From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 1 11:26:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19909 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:26:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19904 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pdl@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA03516 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:20:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter LeBlond Message-Id: <200006011520.LAA03516@new.borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] I need help with ViRGE based video card Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have an updated vgadb with an entry for the card I'm trying to use, a Diamond Stealth 3D 2000 vers. 1.04 and I have what I think is a recent virge.c. I have c ompiled the virge.c and yet I still cannot get the card to work in any res > 640x480x1. It is connected to a Sun 17" monitor, but I have left monitor=vga in my plan9.ini. Could that be the source of my problem. Do I need to do anything special once I compile virge.c to get the new code to work? Perhaps I do not have the correct version of virge.c as I know that there are a ton of S3 ViRGE chipsets. If anybody has a newer version or ideas as to what is wrong I would greatly appreciate any help you can give me. Peter LeBlond pdl@borf.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 1 16:36:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28297 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:36:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006012036.QAA28293@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:35:41 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] I need help with ViRGE based video card MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The ViRGE requires code both in aux/vga and in the kernel vgas3 driver. I did have this exact card at one time but it has disappeared, probably into someone's home terminal, so I can't check which exact ViRGE chip it has. When trying out a new VGA card, a multisync monitor is a must. If you can be patient a little longer, some new code may come your way (along with some new problems...). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 1 16:44:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA28700 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA28693 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:44:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006012044.QAA28693@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 16:44:02 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware compati list for new release? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There is no hardware list as yet, but trawling through the 9fans archives should give an idea of what we've tried. The ATI Mach64 cards are the best supported, there's even some acceleration used. Currently, only the aging Mylex (was Buslogic) PCI and EISA Multimaster SCSI cards and the Symbios (was NCR, now LsiLogic) 53C8XX series SCSI chips have drivers. The Symbios chips can be found on many OEM cards (sorry, I don't have a list) and on many motherboards (but sadly not as many as the Adaptec chips). Contact your local LsiLogic rep. to find where you can buy the cards they make themselves, they're very reasonably priced. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 2 05:18:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09280 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:18:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09271 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 05:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02977 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 02:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by symnt3.cadence.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 2 Jun 2000 10:16:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF08C3@symnt3.cadence.com> From: Nigel Roles To: "'9fans@cse.psu.edu'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] LSI Logic/Symbios/NCR SCSI support Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 09:38:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as CAA02977 at Fri Jun 2 02:18:35 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Any card containing one of the following chips is supported NCR53C810 SYM53C810ALV SYM53C810A SYM53C810AP NCR53C815 NCR53C825 SYM53C825A SYM53C860 SYM53C860LV SYM53C875r1 SYM53C875 SYM53C875j SYM53C885 SYM53C895 SYM53C896 That is, every chip but the Ultra-160 variant, the 53C1010. This is not rocket science, I just don't have access to one to test it. Current the best known OEM for LSI/Symbios/NCR boards are Tekram. (www.tekram.com). They do have some models which are not based on these chips. The good models (not all current) are DC-310, DC-310U, DC-390U, DC390W, DC-390F, DC-390U2B, DC-390U2W LSI boards are fine too, of course. This URL is LSI's list of OEMs... http://www.lsilogic.com/techsupp/support+drivers/otheroem.html There is also at least one German company, but I've lost track of the name. -----Original Message----- From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com [mailto:jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com] Sent: 01 June 2000 21:44 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware compati list for new release? There is no hardware list as yet, but trawling through the 9fans archives should give an idea of what we've tried. The ATI Mach64 cards are the best supported, there's even some acceleration used. Currently, only the aging Mylex (was Buslogic) PCI and EISA Multimaster SCSI cards and the Symbios (was NCR, now LsiLogic) 53C8XX series SCSI chips have drivers. The Symbios chips can be found on many OEM cards (sorry, I don't have a list) and on many motherboards (but sadly not as many as the Adaptec chips). Contact your local LsiLogic rep. to find where you can buy the cards they make themselves, they're very reasonably priced. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 3 04:25:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01293 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 04:25:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.250.160.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA01289 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 04:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006030825.EAA01289@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:23:42 +0900 Subject: [9fans] memory leak in cron.c Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, auth/cron.c has memory leak. the following function: void freejobs(Job *j) { Job *fj; for(fj = j; fj; fj = j){ j = j->next; free(fj); } } should be replaced by: void freejobs(Job *j) { Job *i; while(j){ i = j; j = j->next; free(i->cmd); free(i); } } # sorry, I prefer beginner's programming style. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 4 03:48:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA12648 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.250.160.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA12644 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006040748.DAA12644@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 16:45:41 +0900 Subject: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, In the old article, dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au said: I just noticed that the arpd on our cpu server is using 35M, according to ps! I don't have a lot of time right now to investigate. Does anyone know anything about this? Now I am also in trouble! I started cron to ping all IPs in 16 segments of our university to get IPs of active hosts. The interval of measurement is 10 minutes. Then, # at the beginning: cpu% ps ... bootes 15 0:00 0:00 64K Read cs bootes 16 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpack bootes 17 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpflow bootes 25 0:00 0:00 48K Read arpd bootes 28 0:00 0:00 36K Read icmp bootes 29 0:00 0:00 36K Read icmp # after a hour: cpu% ps ... bootes 15 0:00 0:00 64K Read cs bootes 16 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpack bootes 17 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpflow bootes 25 0:00 0:00 6612K Read arpd bootes 28 0:32 0:47 48K Read icmp bootes 29 0:14 0:38 48K Read icmp # and the system hangs up in a night with the message: "no physical memory" Has anyone fixed this memory leak? Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 4 07:05:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA13964 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 07:05:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA13960 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 07:05:17 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006041105.HAA13960@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 12:04:11 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Has anyone fixed this memory leak? http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/arpd.rc might do it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 5 17:02:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12737 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA12725 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:02:11 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000605203553.256.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 6 05:35:52 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: <200006041105.HAA13960@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk said: # >>Has anyone fixed this memory leak? # http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/arpd.rc might do it. It seems fine. The followings are the log of ps. In every 10 minute, icmp packets are sent to 4000 IPs in our domain. It seems the memory does not graw over 100KB. Thanks. Mon Jun 5 18:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 44K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 84K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 92K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:18:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:08:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:02 100K Read arpd From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 5 17:30:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13552 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:30:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13544 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12z4H9-0006RJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:19:11 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:18:45 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000605203553.256.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <200006041105.HAA13960@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] arpd memory leak. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk said: # >>Has anyone fixed this memory leak? # http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/arpd.rc might do it. It seems fine. The followings are the log of ps. In every 10 minute, icmp packets are sent to 4000 IPs in our domain. It seems the memory does not graw over 100KB. Thanks. Mon Jun 5 18:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 44K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 84K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 92K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 18:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 96K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:18:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:28:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:38:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:48:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 19:58:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:08:23 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:00 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 20:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:08:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:18:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:28:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:38:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:48:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:01 100K Read arpd Mon Jun 5 21:58:24 JST 2000 arisawa 32 0:00 0:02 100K Read arpd From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 6 07:00:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24708 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24704 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zGtn-0006aP-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:47:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:21:50 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3939D084.EAF1FEC9@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF08C3@symnt3.cadence.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] LSI Logic/Symbios/NCR SCSI support Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nigel Roles wrote: > Current the best known OEM for LSI/Symbios/NCR boards are Tekram. ASUS (mostly a motherboard maker) makes one (810 based) that I have had good luck with, and the BIOSes on many of their motherboards include the LSI(NCR,Symbios) SCSI support code, meaning among other things that one can boot a SCSI disk. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 6 07:00:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24748 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24742 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zGtm-0006aD-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:47:54 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:21:01 GMT From: Christopher Browne Message-ID: Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing References: <200005132137.WAA09553@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk>, Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Plan9 should be free distributable Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jim Choate would say: >I'd certainly be interested in a Open Source clone of Plan 9 to point >of spending my own time and money to that end. If that is your end, then I'd suggest looking at . It borrows ideas mostly from QNX and Plan 9, and should be "free enough for your purposes." -- "Purely applicative languages are poorly applicable." -- Alan Perlis cbbrowne@hex.net- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 6 07:01:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA24756 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:01:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA24735 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zGtn-0006aJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 06 Jun 2000 11:47:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:21:31 GMT From: Christopher Browne Message-ID: Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing References: , Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net Subject: Re: [9fans] My view of Plan 9 and it's future Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jim Choate would say: >My intention is not to inflame or insite. If you disagree, fine. You're >entitled to your opinion. This is pretty much my final say on this issue >for the time being at least. Thanks for the feedback. Regardless of intent, your comments _are_ inflammatory and appear intended to incite flames. >My view is that Lucent/Bell Labs has no intention of any sort of long >term or serious support for Plan 9. I further believe they >intentionaly prohibit commerical use *and* price it out of the >general hobby market. This guaranteeing that it won't be widely >encountered. Fine, that's your view. I don't think they _care_ all that much about Plan 9, from the perspective of "Lucent, the umpteen-bazillion dollar company." As "intellectual assets" go, I would spectulate that Plan 9 weighs in at the "under $100M mark," which makes its importance in the overall scheme of Things At Lucent rather small. (If I were off by a factor of 10, it would _still_ be pretty small potatos.) If I'm wrong about that, I expect it is more out of ignorance of the "true value" on the part of the organization on the part of the PHBs way up in the organization than any direct intent to "prohibit commerical use." Compare to Xerox, whose PARC labs were largely responsible for inventing such things as Postscript, Ethernet, WIMP GUIs as we know them, and such. If you looked at how many Dorado and Star machines Xerox sold, and pricing, you'd be readily able to make the _same wrong conclusions_ about Xerox. >Plan 9's implimentation of crypto at low levels of the network offers >advantages to privacy that unix and Win based systems will never match. .... Which misses that UNIX has gotten "retrofitted" with a whole lot of interesting things over the years .... >So long as Plan 9 is released under a commercial license and the primary >goal is to make money off the OS, instead of as in Open Source where it's >the distribution, training, support, and applications the money is to be >made, it will fail. If it was Eric Raymond saying this, people might take the comments _somewhat_ seriously. (Others of us would hold our noses and hope he'd shut up.) >Under the current license Plan 9 will fail. One solution would be to keep >the non-commerical limit and lower the price to something like $99. I think you're under the impression that Lucent has a "Plan 9 Marketing Division." It doesn't. Plan 9 is a _research_ OS, and they are really only "pushing" it at researchers, who have rather different sets of priorities and values than you seem to be projecting on them. It's interesting to see that there seems to be some new activity surrounding Plan 9; I would speculate that this may be another evidence of us coming out of the Long Dark Night of OS Research Pessimism. In the 1990s, Microsoft bought out various OS research groups, and spent rather a lot of money making it look like there was little point to OS research. I would be entirely unshocked if the higher-ups at Lucent that hold purse-strings looked at the money and research staff flows, and concluded that this was Not A Good Time To Deploy Another OS. The growth of Linux has provided some new interest in UNIX, as well as getting the market used to the idea that there Might Be Alternatives To The Microsoft Hegemony. Which opens up the potential for other OS research to bear fruit. -- "Purely applicative languages are poorly applicable." -- Alan Perlis cbbrowne@hex.net- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 04:46:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19194 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19189 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zbLV-0005aI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:37:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:35:24 GMT From: Anssi Porttikivi Message-ID: <8hkse7$2u4$1@tron.sci.fi> Organization: SAUNALAHDEN asiakas Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF08C3@symnt3.cadence.com>, <3939D084.EAF1FEC9@null.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] LSI Logic/Symbios/NCR SCSI support Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There is a nice discussion of Rob's systems research comments in Slashdot: (register and set yout thresold at 3 or higher) http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/06/1151209&mode=nested From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 09:22:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23217 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:22:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23210 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24142 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:21:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006071321.JAA24142@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan9 and SMP ..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, With the possible release of Plan9 nearing.. Does anybody know if nest release will support SMP on Intel plateform (dual pentium scenario)? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 11:51:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27379 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:51:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27375 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:51:37 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:51:19 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 and SMP ..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Does anybody know if nest release will support SMP >on Intel plateform (dual pentium scenario)? Yes, it will. We've been running on such systems since shortly after the last release (1995). However, Intel-based SMP systems are notoriously fickle in conforming to the Multiprocessor Specification and often some head-scratching is required when things don't just work. The system has been run on machines ranging from dual Pentium 90's up to quad Xeon 400's and the 8 processor Pentium Pro Axil system. Unfortunately we've not been able to test the new release on all those systems so some glitches may have re-appeared. By default, as it comes out the box, the release has SMP operation disabled by an option in the plan9.ini config file. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 13:50:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00384 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:50:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00380 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com ([135.180.160.8]) by dirty; Wed Jun 7 13:49:33 EDT 2000 Received: from acme (acme [135.180.135.56]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28801 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006f01bfd0a9$862befa0$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Reply-To: "Dharani Vilwanathan" From: "Dharani Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 released Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:55:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The release seems to be ready for download. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 14:16:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01199 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:16:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01195 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zkHl-0003R2-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:10:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:08:29 GMT From: vdharani@dnrc.bell-labs.com (Dharani Vilwanathan) Message-ID: <006f01bfd0a9$862befa0$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Dharani Vilwanathan Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The release seems to be ready for download. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 15:15:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03040 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:15:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03031 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id QAA10938 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072014.QAA10938@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wow, I just booted up into Plan9/III and although I don't have rio running since I asked for 24bit depth, command line is here. Output of ps is quite interesting: % ps glenda 1 0:00 0:00 60K Wait init glenda 2 0:49 0:00 0K Wakeme genrandom glenda 3 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme alarm glenda 4 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme floppy glenda 9 0:00 0:00 3248K Read kfs glenda 13 0:00 0:00 3240K Read kfs glenda 14 0:00 0:00 0K Idle pager glenda 27 0:00 0:00 472K Read9p dossrv glenda 54 0:00 0:00 472K Broken rio glenda 55 0:00 0:00 116K Wait rc glenda 75 0:00 0:00 44K Read ps also the current directory is: % pwd /usr/glenda System name appears to be: gnot . Vga detection: % cat /dev/vgactl type mga2164w blanktime 30 hwaccel off hwblank off addr 0xf9000000 It seems to figure out Millenium just fine, but 24 bits are failing. I need to find some disk space and install the rest of the system. ctr-t ctr-t is still there! rebooting with 640x480x8. Success! It looks cool! Congratulations to the Plan 9 team. Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 15:39:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03760 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03754 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006071938.PAA03754@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:38:41 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Who is glenda? (up and running) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks for telling us. An older Woods film was 'Glen or Glenda'. Tell us how you do with a different resolution. If you figure out how to get things running at a resolution you're happy with tell us what you did and we'll put it on an experiences page to help others. Good luck. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 16:18:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04932 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:18:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04919 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id RAA11520 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072117.RAA11520@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I should check the earlier Woods work for more hints :-). One more note. If you write-protect your boot-floopy you will still boot, but /lib/vgadb will report I/O error. It is interesting that after rio is up /lib/vgadb is still empty. I guess it is written and then truncated or something. I tried depth 16 and it came as unsupported (Millenium). With depth 8 I got 640, 1200 and now 1600. The 640 is unusable due to flickering. The 1600x1200 works great. I tried 1800 also, but for the Millenium or for the monitor I have just a blank screen. I'll try at home with P815, which is mentioned to support this resolution, to see which one is to blame. Monitor I use now is Sun-Sony GDM-5010 which is supposed to be very high bandwidth, just like P815. BTW I noticed that ctl-alt-del works the same as c-t c-t r. I'll have to open this box to put HD in soon. Thanks again, Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 16:44:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05745 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA05741 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id QAA02560; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072044.QAA02560@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:40:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Are you sure it's /lib/vgadb that is the problem? Aux/vga will fail trying to write /n/a:/vgainfo.txt for sure. You need the floppy writable so that the boot process can do things like write vgainfo.txt (see the troubleshooting section) and 9inst.cnf (when you save your install state to resume later). The Millennium only supports 8-bit mode; the only cards that support more than 8-bit mode are the Mach 64 and S3 ViRGE based ones, and the #9 Ticket to Ride IV (SGI LCD). As for 1800x1350, that mode is a non-standard one calculated to push the hardware to its limits; it's not completely surprising that the p815 entry doesn't work for the Sony: you'll need to do the calculations to find out what the Sony should use. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 16:54:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06085 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06081 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id RAA11843 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072153.RAA11843@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I'm curious: have you had an earlier >Plan 9 running on the same box before? >Russ No, this is 4Gb NT box with HPFS partition taking the whole disk, which I can't change. (Or my SA will come with an axe) I have another box at home with P9/II installed but that will have to wait till tonight. Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 17:49:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07438 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:49:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cigla.miljkovic.com (ip-216-46-64-71.cust.terabit.net [216.46.64.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA07433 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nm@localhost) by cigla.miljkovic.com (8.8.5/SCO-UW) id SAA12332 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072248.SAA12332@cigla.miljkovic.com> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: "Nikola Miljkovic" Subject: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) X-Mailer: Vi Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I finally got to read the "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution" (It was a few years wait that caused some inpatience) and found some usefull tidbits. Yes it is /vgainfo.txt that was being written. But the message is: aux/vga: dbopen: /lib/vgadb: I/O error I noticed that plan9.ini is padded to 512 bytes and has \r\n DOS styled lines. If I want to change it do I have to confirm to those rules, or are such things transparent. Some more questions: It seems that 9pcflop.gz contains all the drivers and that plan9.ini determines which one is used. There is no more b.com ? There was a size limit in old b.com , is it gone now? Thanks, Nikola From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 18:17:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08120 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:17:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08114 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id SAA09217; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006072217.SAA09217@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Who is glenda? (up and running) From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:13:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I noticed that plan9.ini is padded to 512 bytes and has \r\n DOS styled lines. If I want to change it do I have to confirm to those rules, or are such things transparent. That made generating the floppy disk easy. It's not required. It seems that 9pcflop.gz contains all the drivers and that plan9.ini determines which one is used. Basically, yes. There is no more b.com ? There was a size limit in old b.com , is it gone now? There is still a size limit, but on a simpler program. Read 9load(8) for all the gore. plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man/8/9load Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 19:19:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09185 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:19:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cassandra.wayward-volvo.org (cassandra.wayward-volvo.org [207.181.249.203]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09181 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33644 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Jun 2000 23:19:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 23:19:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Nielsen X-Sender: enkhyl@cassandra.wayward-volvo.org Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset truly unsupported? :-) For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the entry to vgadb. aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 dbdumpmode type=vga, size=640x480x1 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 FF 0F 00 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 19:27:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09435 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:27:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cassandra.wayward-volvo.org (cassandra.wayward-volvo.org [207.181.249.203]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09425 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 33657 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Jun 2000 23:27:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2000 23:27:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:27:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Nielsen X-Sender: enkhyl@cassandra.wayward-volvo.org Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sorry to respond to my own message, but I forgot to include the contents of plan9.ini. It's attached at the bottom. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Christopher Nielsen > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X > > I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that > maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used > by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia > 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: > > aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported > > Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset > truly unsupported? :-) > > For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the > entry to vgadb. > > aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb > 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O > 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB > 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. > 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ > 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed > 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co > 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 > 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A > 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv > 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx > 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... > 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% > 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... > 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; > 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... > 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... > vga misc 67 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 > vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 > 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F > 0C 00 0F 08 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > > dbdumpmode > type=vga, size=640x480x1 > frequency=25175000 > x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) > ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) > shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) > vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) > hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 > vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf > vga misc E3 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 > vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 > 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F > 01 FF 0F 00 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > Contents of plan9.ini plan9.ini* plan9.nvr* 1020 ender:/floppy> cat plan9.ini *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 ether0=type=3C589 monitor=xga vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=ps2 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960408131.k64kmc2btzs9ytbebfjbcgcqjecgss8g -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 19:46:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09864 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:46:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09859 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 19:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zpKv-00027M-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 00:34:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:28:20 GMT From: cnielsen@pobox.com (Christopher Nielsen) Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset truly unsupported? :-) For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the entry to vgadb. aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 dbdumpmode type=vga, size=640x480x1 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 FF 0F 00 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 20:16:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10425 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:16:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA10421 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zpoK-0003kB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 01:04:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:48:04 GMT From: cnielsen@pobox.com (Christopher Nielsen) Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com Subject: Re: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sorry to respond to my own message, but I forgot to include the contents of plan9.ini. It's attached at the bottom. On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Christopher Nielsen wrote: > Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:19:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: Christopher Nielsen > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X > > I'm trying to install the new release on a ThinkPad 600X. I thought that > maybe it would work because the ThinkPad 600E is listed as a laptop used > by folks at the labs. The NeoMagic chip is a little different (MagicMedia > 256ZX), so I added an entry to vgadb. Now, I get the following: > > aux/vga: neomagic: DID 0006 unsupported > > Is there anything else I can tweak to get this working? Or is this chipset > truly unsupported? :-) > > For reference, here is the output of the bios dump before I added the > entry to vgadb. > > aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb > 0xC0000 55 AA 60 CB 90 90 00 00 00 00 00 00 AD 06 22 4F U.`..........."O > 0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 30 00 00 00 00 00 49 42 ........0.....IB > 0xC0020 4D 75 FC E2 F9 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Mu.............. > 0xC0030 50 43 49 52 C8 10 06 00 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR............ > 0xC0040 60 00 09 01 00 80 00 00 4D 61 67 69 63 4D 65 64 `.......MagicMed > 0xC0050 69 61 20 32 35 36 5A 58 20 20 34 38 4B 00 43 6F ia 256ZX 48K.Co > 0xC0060 70 79 72 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 34 2D 39 39 20 pyright 1994-99 > 0xC0070 4E 65 6F 4D 61 67 69 63 20 43 6F 72 70 2E 20 41 NeoMagic Corp. A > 0xC0080 6C 6C 20 52 69 67 68 74 73 20 52 65 73 65 72 76 ll Rights Reserv > 0xC0090 65 64 2E 00 43 69 47 61 4D 6F 45 6E 00 6E 6D 78 ed..CiGaMoEn.nmx > 0xC00A0 35 2E 64 65 66 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 29 00 00 A2 5.def.......)... > 0xC00B0 83 71 03 44 0F F0 00 80 00 03 EC 09 26 30 00 25 .q.D........&0.% > 0xC00C0 00 0A 00 0E 00 0F 00 10 37 11 00 12 20 15 00 16 ........7... ... > 0xC00D0 00 19 13 1A 00 1B 3C 1C 15 1E C0 1F 04 3A 00 3B ......<......:.; > 0xC00E0 00 3C 00 3D 00 3E 00 3F 00 43 01 47 00 82 00 90 .<.=.>.?.C.G.... > 0xC00F0 10 91 00 92 04 93 C0 94 09 95 40 A0 2A A1 00 A2 ..........@.*... > vga misc 67 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 > vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 > 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F > 0C 00 0F 08 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > > dbdumpmode > type=vga, size=640x480x1 > frequency=25175000 > x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) > ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) > shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) > vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) > hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 > vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf > vga misc E3 > vga feature 00 > vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 > vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 > 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF > vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF > vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F > 01 FF 0F 00 00 > vga apz 0 > vga linear 0 > Contents of plan9.ini plan9.ini* plan9.nvr* 1020 ender:/floppy> cat plan9.ini *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 ether0=type=3C589 monitor=xga vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=ps2 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960408131.k64kmc2btzs9ytbebfjbcgcqjecgss8g -- Christopher Nielsen (enkhyl|cnielsen)@pobox.com Enkhyl on IRC Space monekys ate my brain: No such file or directory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 22:31:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12599 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12588 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zry9-0001YH-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:22:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:15:25 GMT From: steve@fywss.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-ID: <8hmagk$a1m$1@spitfire.fywss.com> Organization: FYWSS Reply-To: steve@fywss.com Subject: [9fans] repost - Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Archive-name: comp-os/plan9-faq Last-modified: June 7, 2000 Posting-Frequency: monthly URL: http://www.fywss.com/plan9/plan9faq.html URL2: http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html This document answers frequently asked questions about the Plan 9 operating system. Much of it was taken (with permission) from Dennis Ritchie's Plan 9 Q&A press release. More information on the June/2000 Plan9 release will be added here as it becomes available. The following sections are new or modified recently: * What is in the latest Plan9 release? * What are Brazil and Inferno? A hypertext version of this FAQ is available on my Plan 9 web page, URL http://www.fywss.com/plan9/ Those pages are also available at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ if the main site is down. Other sources of information include the newsgroup comp.os.plan9, which is bidirectionally gatewayed to the 9fans mailing list (mail 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu to subscribe or request archived messages) and of course the Plan 9 homepage at Bell Labs, URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Please forward any comments or suggestions regarding this FAQ to steve@fywss.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: * What is Plan 9? * What is in the latest Plan9 release? * What are Brazil and Inferno? * What is its relation to other operating systems? * What are its key ideas? * What are the advantages to this approach? Hardware and Software: * What platforms does it run on? * Is anyone working on a port for my system? * Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? * Is it object-oriented? * What about applications and tools? * What about application portability? * Is there a fortran compiler? * What resources does it need? * What GUIs does it support? * Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? * What character set does it use? * What about security and user authentication? * How does it communicate with other systems? * Is it suitable for real time control? Installation and Administration: * What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? * How do I Install Plan 9? * How can I install only part of the CDROM? * Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? * Are there any known problems? * It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? * How do I setup the VGA? * How do I control the services that start at boot time? * How do I setup network services? * How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? * How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? * How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? * How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? * Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? * How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? * Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? * What is a boddle and what is it good for? * How do I setup PPP? * Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? * How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? * How do I reboot my system? * How do I tell if a file server is up? General Information: * Where did the name come from? * How can I Obtain Plan 9? * How can I get involved? * How can I get more detailed technical information? * Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: Subject: What is Plan 9? Plan 9 is a new computer operating system and associated utilities. It has been built over the past several years by the Computing Science Research Center of Lucent Technologies Bell Laboratories, the same group that developed Unix, C, and C++. Plan 9 is a distributed system. In the most general configuration, it uses three kinds of components: terminals that sit on users' desks, file servers that store permanent data, and other servers that provide faster CPUs, user authentication, and network gateways. These components are connected by various kinds of networks, including Ethernet, Datakit, specially-built fiber networks, ordinary modem connections, and ISDN. In typical use, users interact with applications that run either on their terminals or on CPU servers, and the applications get their data from the file servers. The design, however, is highly configurable; it escapes from specific models of networked workstations and central machine service. Subject: What is in the latest Plan9 release? The press release for the third release of Plan9 is at http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html Among the changes in this release of Plan 9 are a revised kernel, which now has the means to resolve ambiguous file names; an improved graphics environment; an updated command set; and expanded libraries. The system's creators also have installed "plumbing," a new mechanism for passing messages between interactive programs, as part of the user interface. Subject: What are Brazil and Inferno? The first release of Plan 9 was in 1993, and was only available to universities. In 1995 the second release was available for purchase under a shrink-wrap license. Brazil was the next research project after Plan 9 release 2. The kernel data paths have been re-architected to take advantage of faster machines and networks. On June 7, 2000 Brazil was released under an open source agreement. This third release of Plan 9 is available for download at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ Inferno is an operating system for delivering interactive media to its users. It is intended to be used in a variety of emerging network environments, for example in TV set-top boxes attached to cable systems, advanced telephones, hand-held devices, and inexpensive networked computers, but also in conjunction with traditional computing systems. Inferno customer support has recently been taken up by Vita Nuova. The research version of Inferno is still described on the Bell Labs server at http://www.bell-labs.com/inferno/. It appears the free evaluation version is not available any more. The Inferno mailing list archive is at http://www.isr.umd.edu/~doc/Inferno/Mail-list/ Subject: What is its relation to other operating systems? Plan 9 is itself an operating system; it doesn't run as an application under another system. It was written from the ground up and doesn't include other people's code. Although the OS's interface to applications is strongly influenced by the approach of Unix, it's not a replacement for Unix; it is a new design. Subject: What are its key ideas? Plan 9 exploits, as far as possible, three basic technical ideas: first, all the system objects present themselves as named files that are manipulated by read/write operations; second, all these files may exist either locally or remotely, and respond to a standard protocol; third, the file system name space - the set of objects visible to a program - is dynamically and individually adjustable for each of the programs running on a particular machine. The first two of these ideas were foreshadowed in Unix and to a lesser extent in other systems, while the third is new: it allows a new engineering solution to the problems of distributed computing and graphics. Plan 9's approach means that application programs don't need to know where they are running; where, and on what kind of machine, to run a Plan 9 program is an economic decision that doesn't affect the construction of the application itself. Subject: What are the advantages to this approach? Plan 9's approach improves generality and modularity of application design by encouraging servers that make any kind of information appear to users and to applications just like collections of ordinary files. Here are a few examples. The Plan 9 window system (called 8½) is small and clean in part because its design is centered on providing a virtual keyboard, mouse, and screen to each of the applications running under it, while using the real keyboard, mouse, and screen supplied by the operating system. That is - besides creating, deleting, and arranging the windows themselves - its job is be a server for certain resources used by its clients. As a side benefit, this approach means that the window system can run recursively in one of its windows, or even on another machine. Plan 9 users do Internet FTP by starting a local program that makes all the files on any FTP server (anywhere on the Internet) appear to be local files. Plan 9 PC users with a DOS/Windows partition on their disk can use the files stored there. ISO 9660 CD-ROMs and cpio tapes all behave as if they were native file systems. The complete I/O behavior and performance of any application can be monitored by running it under a server that sees all its interactions. The debugger can examine a program on another machine even if it is running on a different hardware architecture. Another example is the approach to networks. In Plan 9, each network presents itself as a set of files for connection creation, I/O, and control. A common semantic core for the operations is agreed upon, together with a general server for translating human-readable addresses to network-specific ones. As a result, applications don't care which kind of network (TCP/IP, ISDN, modem, Datakit) they are using. In fact, applications don't even know whether the network they are using is physically attached to the machine the application is running on: the network interface files can be imported from another machine. Hardware and Software: Subject: What platforms does it run on? The Plan 9 kernel and applications are highly portable. Plan 9 runs on four major machine architectures: Intel 386/486/Pentium, MIPS, SPARC, and Motorola 68020. Data structures and protocols are designed for distributed computing on machines of diverse design. Except for necessarily machine-dependent parts of the kernel, the compilers, and a few libraries, there is a single source representation for everything. The systems supported under each architecture are: 386 386, 486, Pentium and clones see the "What PC hardware works well with Plan 9?" section of this faq for more information on this popular topic MIPS MIPS Magnum 3000, 6280, SGI Power Series, Indigo, Challenge M; SPARC SLC (4/20) Sparcstation 2 (4/75) have been tested, Sparcstation 1 (4/60), IPC (4/40), 1+ (4/65), ELC (4/25), and IPX (4/50) will probably work too; 68020 Gnot, 68040 NeXTstation. More details are available in "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html Subject: Is anyone working on a port for my system? Steve Kotsopoulos has a preliminary SGI Indy R4000 port, available from ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/indy.bod Bug reports welcome at steve@fywss.com. Charles Forsyth has found that the Indy R4600 will require more extensive changes. Both David Hogan and forsyth (separately) ported an older version of Plan 9 to the Sun-3/50 and 3/60. David Hogan got the new release working on Sun-3/50 and 3/60s and forsyth has tidied it up for distribution. See http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/sun3/sun3.bundle.gz David Hogan is also working on a port to the DEC Alpha architecture. He will announce it when it is ready. Charles Forsyth is working on a Plan 9 Port to the BeBox, details are at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/bebox.html A PowerPC compiler suite for Plan 9 has been implemented, see http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/power.html for details. Neither the Amiga nor Atari are supported. The Decstation 2100 and 3100 are not supported, but Tad Hunt has started working on a port. Step one was to make the plan9 mips toolset output little endian code. His patches for vl(1) to make bootable pmax code are at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/patches/vl Queries to tad@elwood-low.csh.rit.edu Subject: Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? Yes. SGI Power series multiprocessors are supported both as CPU servers and file servers. The newer SGI Challenge series of multiprocessors and dual processor Pentiums are only supported by Brazil, not Plan 9. Subject: Is it object-oriented? No, not in the conventional sense. It is written in a strict dialect of ISO/ANSI C. In a wider sense, its general design of making all its `objects' look like files to which one talks in a well-defined protocol shows a related approach. Subject: What about applications and tools? Plan 9 comes with its own compilers for C and other languages, together with all the commands and program-development tools originally pioneered in the Unix environment. It also provides newly designed software. Alef is a new language that provides threads, inter-process and inter-machine communication through typed channels, and abstract data types. Acid is a programmable debugger that understands multiple-process programs, and the programs it is debugging may be running on a hardware platform different from its own. Acme is a new user interface in which any word on the screen can be interpreted as a command by clicking on it, and any string can specify a file to be displayed. Subject: What about application portability? Plan 9 comes with a library that makes it easy to import POSIX-conforming applications. There is also a library that emulates the Berkeley socket interface. Subject: Is there a fortran compiler? No, plan9 does not have a fortran compiler. If you have fortran programs you want to run, you can try using the f2c (fortran to C) converter available at ftp://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/f2c/ Subject: What resources does it need? As might be expected, the answer depends on what you want to do. The kernel, the window system, and the basic applications will run comfortably on a PC with 8MB of memory. A single diskette can hold the kernel, window system, editor, and basic Ethernet/Internet interface. A 4-diskette set holds a system sufficient for simple program development (compiler, loader, debugger, more utilities). On the other hand, the system can grow. The installation at Bell Laboratories includes multiprocessor SGI Power Series and Challenge machines as CPU servers, and a 350GB Sony WORM disk jukebox for the file server. Subject: What GUIs does it support? The standard interface doesn't use icons or drag-n-drop; Plan 9 people tend to be text-oriented. But the window system, the editor, and the general feel are very mousy, very point-and-click: Plan 9 windows are much more than a bunch of glass TTYs. The system supports the graphics primitives and libraries of basic software for building GUIs, and if need arises, the X window system has been ported to Plan 9. [Note: The X server only runs on MIPS systems. No one at Bell Labs is working on the port, so they didn't ship it with the CDROM] Subject: Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? The Plan 9 window system doesn't obey any inline cursor controls, since none of the native applications use cursor-addressing. If you want to get from Plan9 to Unix systems, you can run /bin/hp in one of your windows, telnet/rlogin to Unix, and set the term/TERM variable to hp2621 on the Unix end. See hp(1) for more details. Subject: What character set does it use? The character set is Unicode, the 16-bit set unified with the ISO 10646 standard for representing languages used throughout the world. The system and its utilities support Unicode using a byte-stream representation (called UTF-8) that is compatible with ASCII. On Plan 9, one may grep for Cyrillic strings in a file with a Japanese name and see the results appear correctly on the terminal. Subject: What about security and user authentication? Plan 9's authentication design is akin to that of MIT's Kerberos. Passwords are never sent over networks; instead encrypted tickets are obtained from an authentication server. It doesn't have the concept of `set UID' programs. The file server doesn't run user programs, and except at its own console, it doesn't allow access to protected files except by authenticated owners. The concept of a special `root' user is gone. Subject: How does it communicate with other systems? The distribution includes a u9fs server that runs on Unix-compatible systems and understands the native Plan 9 remote file protocol, so that file systems of Unix machines may be imported into Plan 9. It also includes an NFS-compatible server that runs on Plan 9, so that Plan 9 file systems may be accessed from other systems that support NFS. It includes the full suite of Internet protocols (telnet, rlogin, ftp). Subject: Is it suitable for real time control? No, it is not. It is a general purpose system, without an interrupt priority scheme or real scheduler. Installation and Administration: Subject: What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? If you don't want to spend time fiddling with and swapping PC hardware, you may prefer to buy hardware that is in use within Bell Labs. If so, have a look at the "What We Use" document by jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com, at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/clone.html The general recommendation would be for a 486 PCI+ISA motherboard with I/O on the motherboard that would take a DX4-100. SIS or Intel chipset should be OK. If you can afford it, Intel cpus have larger primary caches and less possibility of running into incompatibilities. A condensed summary of the hardware that is known to work follows: Motherboards AMI Enterprise IV, ACER AP41. Many people run on stock PC-clones such as Dell, Gateway, Micron Millenias Pentium motherboards ASUS PCI/E-P54NP4, Gigabyte GA586-ID, Tyan Tempest S1462 VGA cards/chips S3 80[15], S3 928, S3 864, S3 964, S3 Trio64, S3 Trio32, Tseng Labs ET4000, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32p, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32i, ARK2000pv, CL-GD542x, CL-GD543x, C&T65540, MACH32, MACH64. Monitors IDEK 8617, Viewsonic 17, Nokia 445X, Nanao Flexscan 6500 21" greyscale. SCSI Controllers Buslogic controllers have been the most trouble-free, due to their open policy on providing programming information. Adaptec 1542 series, Ultrastor 14F ISA and a 34F VLB. SCSI CD-ROM 2x Toshiba 3401, 4X Toshiba 3601B, NEC 74 and 3Xi, 4x Plextor 4-Plex. The Toshiba and Plextor let you read the digital audio over the bus. Non-SCSI CD-ROM Mitsumi, Panasonic and Matsushita, attached to a Sound Blaster audio card, 4X Toshiba 5302B, Mitsumi FX400 and Teac 6x drive, attached to an ATAPI controller. Avoid Sanyo, it doesn't execute the drive diagnotics command properly. Audio Sound Blaster 16 or compatible (not the Sound Blaster Pro). Mouse PS/2 or serial, as long as it has 3 buttons. Ethernet Adapters 3Com 3C509, 3C509B are recommended. The EISA 3C579 works, but isn't worth the extra cost. The PCMCIA 3C589, PCI 3C590 and PCI 3C595 (fast ethernet) also work. AMD 79C970 based adapters seem to work fine. SMC (WD) series up to the Elite (and the Elite Ultra), some NE2000 compatibles (including an NE4100 PCMCIA card) and one Eagle NE3210 EISA card. The 3Com 3C503 does not work at all under load. The 3Com 3C595 is not supported. If you have time for netnews, the OS/2 and Linux newsgroups probably have some useful information. Another useful web page on PC hardware (with a BSDi bias) is "PC Hardware Hints and Kinks" at http://www.vix.com/vix/pc-hw/ Subject: How do I Install Plan 9? The installation is designed to be run from a PC. Note that Plan 9 uses an unallocated portion at the end of the disk, and you won't see this partition with the FDISK program. 1. Back up your system. 2. Make sure you've backed up your system. 3. Read "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/install.html 4. Check the errata page at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/errata.html for problems and fixes found since the distribution was frozen. More recent bugfixes are now distributed in boddle format from the update directory at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update 5. Here are some more questions that have been answered on the 9fans list: IP configuration ndb/cs will set the sysname if you setup an appropriate entry in /lib/ndb/local. You must specify an 'ether=' entry, and the address should be all lower case. If all goes well, ip/ipconfig will then configure IP. Mice If aux/mouse is having problems guessing the protocol, you can use the undocumented '-d type' option to help it out. Use 'aux/mouse -dC $mouseport' for a Logitech type C mouse, '-dW' for a Logitech type W mouse, or '-dM' for a Microsoft compatible mouse. Name Service If you have having problems, first check that ndb/dns is running. It needs to be started in /rc/bin/termrc or /rc/bin/cpurc. Also note that only fully qualified names are supported, and there isn't a separate resolver. Binding and Mounting Devices Note that # is the shell comment character, so you must enclose it in single quotes. For example: bind -a '#R6' /dev Auth Server When booting a cpuserver without an auth server, if you give 0.1.0.0 as the auth server address instead the cpu server's own address, you won't have to wait for it to timeout. Subject: How can I install only part of the CDROM? The cdrom has about 375Meg of files on it, but if you are short on disk space you can install with much less than that. Each of the toplevel architecture-specific directories takes up over 40Meg, so if you only have PC's you can save over 140Meg by simply not installing /mips, /sparc and /68020. If you don't need the source in /sys/src (shame on you), you'll save 43Meg. The pcdist disks at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist contain bugfixes that are not on the CDROM, and some of the fixes are not yet available in source form either. If you are installing on a pc, it is probably easiest to install the pcdist first, and then merge in whatever you want from the cdrom. If you use mkfs to copy the cdrom, you can make sure you don't overwrite files that were fixed on the pcdist. You can use the following steps to load the entire cdrom except /mips, /sparc and /68020 on a standalone pc. First, install the latest pcdist using the standard installation procedure. Next, mount the cdrom [this assumes scsi cdrom at device 4] % 9660srv % disk/kfscmd allow % mkdir /n/cd % mount /srv/9660 /n/cd '#R4/cd4' Use the following to copy the filesystem rooted at /n/cd (the cdrom) to /n/kfs (the local PC filesystem), according to the proto file /tmp/386allproto, and without overwriting any files that are on the pcdist. % /n/cd/386/bin/disk/mkfs -v -s /n/cd /tmp/386allproto Where /tmp/386allproto is the following mkfs proto file: acme + adm + cron + lib + mail + mnt + rc + sys + usr + 386 + Subject: Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? The Bell Labs distribution is getting old and will not install reliably on [E]IDE disks >2GB (you might get lucky if your disk is <4GB, but no guarantees). Use a 2GB or smaller disk for now. Someday a patch might be available. Subject: Are there any known problems? New pcdist files are available via ftp from plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist. These should fix most problems people have had with disk configurations. There are also VGA fixes and ATAPI CD-ROMs are included in the list of supported hardware. Some of the source changes are available as boddles in the update directory already but not all changes are there yet. Problems with Adaptec 1542C[FP] If the BIOS is enabled on the 1542C/CF and BIOS options for support of drives > 1Gb, dynamic scanning of the SCSI bus or more than 2 drives under DOS 5.0 are enabled, the BIOS disables accepting Cmbinit to protect against running with drivers which don't support those options. In order to unlock the interface it is necessary for the driver to read a lock-code using Cextbios and write it back using Cmbienable; the lock-code is non-zero. If any of the options mentioned above are on, timeout errors will occur. Either the BIOS or all the relevant options should be disabled. There is a new version of b.com on plan9.bell-labs.com in the pcdist subdirectory which should overcome this problem but it's not known if it works in all cases. Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controllers There is no support for any Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controller. It would be great if someone wrote a driver since these are popular and show up embedded on motherboards. However, it's completely different from any other Adaptec controller and the rumour on the street is that a driver would be a fair amount of work. Manuals are hard to get, they seem to be permanently on back-order. If someone wants to tackle this project, the driver for FreeBSD may be a good starting point. The NCR8xx series look to be a cheaper alternative with similar performance and Nigel Roles has already written a driver for it which is available at http://www.cotswold.demon.co.uk along with some other plan9 software. 3C509B ethernet card Make sure you disable the Plug-and-Play option and set the transceiver type explicitly(don't use auto-select mode) Subject: It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? If you are having having SCSI problems, check your cables and terminators. this is generally the single largest cause of weird SCSI problems. Active terminators are best. If you run external cables you need to get high quality ones. Also, don't crank of the speed on the card. Subject: How do I setup the VGA? Simple vga cards and monitors should work at 640x480x[12]. For higher resolutions, especially on untested cards, you will have to find out more about the card so you can configure it. The relevant manuals are: vga(3), vgadb(6), vga(8), and b.com(8). For a detailed debugging guide (too large to include here), see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/vga Subject: How do I control the services that start at boot time? This is controlled by shell scripts, that are roughly equivalent to the /etc/rc files on Unix: /rc/bin/termrc for terminals /rc/bin/cpurc for cpu servers See cpurc(8) for more details. Subject: How do I setup network services? For UDP services, you must start them up in the appropriate cpurc(8) file. For TCP, IL, or Datakit services, you must use the listen(8) daemon. Subject: How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? The 9P protocol has changed in the second edition, due to changes in the way that Plan 9 does its authentication. For those using Unix-based u9fs file servers, you will have to compile and install the new version of u9fs. For more tips on running with a u9fs file server, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/u9fs For those using the standard Plan 9 file servers, ken@plan9.bell-labs.com reports that the disk format in the new release is the same, so there should be no problems running the new FS code on old disks. Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek) did it as follows: 1) Unpack the CD on a UNIX system and install a u9fs server. 2) Boot the SPARC off the u9fs server 3) Create a kfs on sd1 and unpack the whole CD on it. 4) Copy the file /sys/src/9/ss/sscd to /sys/src/9/ss/sssd1 5) Change the line k9660srv.root to kfs.root and change the line boot terminal #R6/cd6 to boot terminal #w1/sd1 6) Add sssd1 to the CONFLIST and change CONF=ss to CONF=sssd1 in the ss/mkfile 7) Do a make all in /sys/src/9 8) Copy the new image 9sssd1 to your favorite TFTP server (or boot from sd3 on your local system) Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? For a summary of how taweil@ucs.usc.edu (Ta-Wei Li) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/next.html Subject: How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? For a summary of how castor@tkg.com (Castor Fu) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/win95 Subject: Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? The official answer is no, 8Mb is the minimum supported memory configuration. Some people are using it with only 4Mb though. You'll need to borrow 4Mb from another system to get you past the install process (where 8Mb is needed to expand the diskettes). After the install is done, you may be able to run with only 4Mb if you set the vga at a low resolution and/or depth, or perhaps fiddle with the kernelpercent parameter in plan9.ini(8). Subject: How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? In /sys/src/9/pc/mem.h, SEGMAPSIZE is set to 16 (Meg) by default. If you try to compile ghostscript or libtiff on a PC, this value is too low. Change it from 16 to 64; build and boot a new kernel with this setting; and you should be fine after that. Subject: Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? If someone sets up their plan9 system according to the manuals, anyone on the internet can telnet/rlogin in as 'none' without a password To disable this anonymous access, use the undocumented '-N' option to aux/telnetd and aux/ftp, which disallows logins as 'none'. Since aux/rlogin execs aux/telnetd without the '-N' option, the only protection may be to patch the source, or remove /bin/service/tcp513 Finally, ip/tftpd grants access to any world-readable file. The main concern here is that people using u9fs as their file server probably have an /etc/passwd file from their Unix system accessible. If so, make sure you don't have any encrypted passwords in it, or someone could steal it and use 'crack' to break the passwords. Subject: What is a boddle and what is it good for? It's a bundle o' diffs: an rc script that when run with appropriate options will apply a set of changes to the reference copy of the source from the CDROM producing an updated copy in a subdirectory, for you to cat and diff, and eventually cp onto the active source for a subsequent mk. The boddle command (not in the release, fetch it from plan9.bell-labs.com) takes a reference source and an updated version and produces a boddle file. it comes with a manual page; read that for details. Subject: How do I setup PPP? First, apply the changes at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/ppp.bod These add -9 (enable IL/IP compression) and -m (set netmask) options to pppclient, and fix a few bugs. Assuming you will use /dev/eia1, login to the ppp server as follows: 1. % telco -s 38400 /dev/eia1 2. % con -r -l telco!967-1111 3. login and startup ppp on the server 4. use "control \" to escape back to the >>> prompt in con, and type !onppp to link pppclient to the remote server. onppp is the following rc script: #!/bin/rc {sleep 5; echo add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 128.100.8.4 >'#P/iproute' }& exec aux/pppclient -i 128.100.8.19 -p 128.100.8.4 $* 5. To shut down, use % kill pppclient | rc and disconnect in con. Thanks to forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk and craigl@tezcat.com for this section. Subject: Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/gzip.tar http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/unzip.tgz you might need to use the -f (force) option with gzip, because it changes behaviour based on isatty() Subject: How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? To use texinfo, run "tex foo.texinfo" to create foo.dvi, then use "dvips foo.dvi > foo.ps" to create a Postscript file, which is viewable with "page" and printable with "lp". Note: If the file foo.texinfo contains cross-references, you may have to run "tex foo.texinfo" twice. The first pass creates aux files and the second pass reads them. Subject: How do I reboot my system? The system can be rebooted by typing ^T^Tr (two control-T's followed by 'r'). Cpu servers can be rebooted by typing ^P on the console. See the cons(3) manual for more details. Subject: How do I tell if a file server is up? It won't respond to ping (no icmp), but it does support arp. Of course, you could just try connecting to it with 9p. General Information: Subject: Where did the name come from? It was chosen in the Bell Labs tradition of selecting names that make marketeers wince. The developers also wished to pay homage to the famous film, "Plan 9 From Outer Space". Subject: How can I Obtain Plan 9? Complete information for purchasing the Plan 9 distribution or ftp'ing the free PC trial version is available at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/distrib.html To summarize the information on the above webpage: Contents The Plan 9 distribution consists of two books, four 1.4 megabyte floppies, and a CD-ROM. The books contain the manual pages and a collection of papers describing the system. The four floppies contain a complete bootable Plan 9 system for IBM-compatible PCs (>=386). They have the kernel, the window system, Internet support, and programming environments for both the C and Alef languages. The CD-ROM contains everything: kernels, libraries, and utilities for the Intel 386 (including 486 and Pentium), Sparc, 68020, and Mips architectures and the sources to create them. It also has a selection of interesting stuff (road maps of the US, sky catalogs). To find out whether Plan 9 supports your hardware, read "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html To Order The distribution is published by Harcourt Brace and Company. To order it from the US call 800 782 4479. >From Canada and the Caribbean, call 800 841 9938 Elsewhere, use +1 407 345 3800 If you are having problems getting through on the above number you can fax your order to +1-407-345-4060. The cost for the full kit is US$350 plus shipping; the ISBN is 0-03-017143-1. The manuals can be ordered by themselves for US$125 plus shipping; ISBN is 0-03-017142-3. Everyone, even Lucent Technologies employees, must order the system this way. There are no special arrangements or deals. Any bookshop should be able to order it for you if you give them one of the ISBN numbers. Free Trial Plan 9 does not purport to run on all PCs. Since Plan 9 does not use the BIOS, it is sensitive to hardware differences between PCs. Therefore, the developers provide the contents of the four floppies on the Internet via FTP for you to try out. Ftp to plan9.bell-labs.com, log in as anonymous, and get the files from /plan9/pcdist Subject: How can I get involved? The best way to learn about the system is to write something that other people in the Plan 9 user community could use, or to port the system to new platforms. Several people have already made their applications available, such as an http server, Unix-based authentication server, fileserver port to the PC, etc. The current list of user-contributed software includes: pace@blitz.com (Pace Willisson) has ported the Plan 9 authentication server to Unix, to allow Plan 9 terminals to function without a Plan 9 cpu server performing authentication. For more details, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/unixauth avg@postman.ncube.com (Vadim Antonov) has provided some information on converting terminals into multi-user hybrid cpu servers and terminals. For his posting to 9fans, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/misc/cpu_terminal beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au has ported a Linux QuickCam program into a Plan 9 driver which serves /dev/camera and /dev/focus. /dev/camera has the same format than /dev/screen so most of fb/* programs work well with it. The driver is at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects eran@research.att.com (Eran Gabber) has ported the FreeBSD driver for the Talisman XL MPEG-1 playback card for ISA bus to Plan 9. It displays full motion video in a VGA window and/or generates NTSC signal. In particular, MPEG decoding, picture resizing and video overlay are all done in hardware. However, it doesn't use DMA due to its complex architecture. The driver is available from http://cm.bell-labs.com/is/what/mpeg-driver This page also points at a copyright disclaimer and installation instructions. Please read both carefully. bischof@informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) has written spy, which receives the 9P messages from the kernel, displays them for modification and sends the resulting messages to the intended server. In the same way spy transmits the 9P replies of the server. Data spied out in this manner can be used in many different ways. It is available from ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/pub/plan9/spy.tar bl@neon.mime.univ-paris8.fr (Bodet Laurent) has modified the dossrv file server to read and write Linux ext2 partitions. You can find ext2srv at ftp:://ftp.mime.univ-paris8.fr/usr/bl/ext2srv-0.2.tar.gz Contact ngr@symbionics.co.uk if you'd like to test his Zip parallel port driver. It does nibble mode only so works with anything, just not quickly (reads are about 5mb a minute, writes double that). Other software is available on the Plan 9 user community ftp site, ftp.ecf.toronto.edu:/pub/plan9 If anyone would like their projects listed here, let me know. This should help prevent duplication of effort, and increase involvment from the 'net community. If you are looking for a list of suggested project topics, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects Subject: How can I get more detailed technical information? The Internet site plan9.bell-labs.com stores a collection of papers about the system in the plan9 directory; they are available for anonymous FTP. For a hypertext interface to these papers, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol2.html For the manual pages, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol1.html Subject: Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? Several Plan 9 inspired applications are available for Unix systems. The sam editor is available from ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/unixsrc/sam/ There is also a Windows 95/NT version of Sam, currently distributed in binary form only, available from http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/research/sam-win.zip Comments and bug reports can be sent to seanq@research.bell-labs.com A free re-implementation of the rc shell is available from ftp://ftp.white.toronto.edu/pub/rc/ Wily is an acme lookalike by Gary Capell, gary@cs.su.oz.au. See http://www.cs.su.oz.au/~gary/wily/ 9wm is David Hogan's lightweight X window manager in the style of 8½. It is available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/dhog/9wm/ Comments to dhog@cs.su.oz.au 9term is an 8½ terminal emulator by Matty Farrow, matty@cs.su.oz.au, available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/matty/unicode/ In the same directory, you'll find a collection of Unicode fonts that can be used with 9term, sam and wily. 9menu is a simple program by Arnold Robbins, arnold@gnu.ai.mit.edu, that allows you to create X menus from the shell, where each menu item will run a command. 9menu is intended for use with 9wm, but can be used with any other window manager. It is available from ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu/pub/arnold/9menu-1.4.shar.gz Copyright © 1995 Lucent Technologies. All rights reserved. -- Steve Kotsopoulos, P. Eng Senior Developer steve@nevex.com Nevex Software Technologies Inc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 22:31:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12612 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12594 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zrrw-0001L5-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:16:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:10:17 GMT From: steve@fywss.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Message-ID: <8hma74$a01$1@spitfire.fywss.com> Organization: FYWSS Reply-To: steve@fywss.com Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Archive-name: comp-os/plan9-faq Last-modified: May 9, 2000 Posting-Frequency: monthly URL: http://www.fywss.com/plan9/plan9faq.html URL2: http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/plan9faq.html This document answers frequently asked questions about the Plan 9 operating system. Much of it was taken (with permission) from Dennis Ritchie's Plan 9 Q&A press release. The following sections are new or modified recently: * What are Brazil and Inferno? A hypertext version of this FAQ is available on my Plan 9 web page, URL http://www.fywss.com/plan9/ Those pages are also available at http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/ if the main site is down. Other sources of information include the newsgroup comp.os.plan9, which is bidirectionally gatewayed to the 9fans mailing list (mail 9fans-request@cse.psu.edu to subscribe or request archived messages) and of course the Plan 9 homepage at Bell Labs, URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Please forward any comments or suggestions regarding this FAQ to steve@fywss.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: * What is Plan 9? * What are Brazil and Inferno? * What is its relation to other operating systems? * What are its key ideas? * What are the advantages to this approach? Hardware and Software: * What platforms does it run on? * Is anyone working on a port for my system? * Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? * Is it object-oriented? * What about applications and tools? * What about application portability? * Is there a fortran compiler? * What resources does it need? * What GUIs does it support? * Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? * What character set does it use? * What about security and user authentication? * How does it communicate with other systems? * Is it suitable for real time control? Installation and Administration: * What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? * How do I Install Plan 9? * How can I install only part of the CDROM? * Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? * Are there any known problems? * It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? * How do I setup the VGA? * How do I control the services that start at boot time? * How do I setup network services? * How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? * How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? * How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? * How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? * Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? * How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? * Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? * What is a boddle and what is it good for? * How do I setup PPP? * Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? * How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? * How do I reboot my system? * How do I tell if a file server is up? General Information: * Where did the name come from? * How can I Obtain Plan 9? * How can I get involved? * How can I get more detailed technical information? * Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Introduction: Subject: What is Plan 9? Plan 9 is a new computer operating system and associated utilities. It has been built over the past several years by the Computing Science Research Center of Lucent Technologies Bell Laboratories, the same group that developed Unix, C, and C++. Plan 9 is a distributed system. In the most general configuration, it uses three kinds of components: terminals that sit on users' desks, file servers that store permanent data, and other servers that provide faster CPUs, user authentication, and network gateways. These components are connected by various kinds of networks, including Ethernet, Datakit, specially-built fiber networks, ordinary modem connections, and ISDN. In typical use, users interact with applications that run either on their terminals or on CPU servers, and the applications get their data from the file servers. The design, however, is highly configurable; it escapes from specific models of networked workstations and central machine service. Subject: What are Brazil and Inferno? Brazil is the next research project after Plan 9, and is strictly internal to Bell Labs at this time. The kernel data paths have been re-architected to take advantage of faster machines and networks. A release of Brazil is currently being worked on, and is expected sometime this summer. Inferno is an operating system for delivering interactive media to its users. It is intended to be used in a variety of emerging network environments, for example in TV set-top boxes attached to cable systems, advanced telephones, hand-held devices, and inexpensive networked computers, but also in conjunction with traditional computing systems. Inferno customer support has recently been taken up by Vita Nuova. The research version of Inferno is still described on the Bell Labs server at http://www.bell-labs.com/inferno/. It appears the free evaluation version is not available any more. The Inferno mailing list archive is at http://www.isr.umd.edu/~doc/Inferno/Mail-list/ Subject: What is its relation to other operating systems? Plan 9 is itself an operating system; it doesn't run as an application under another system. It was written from the ground up and doesn't include other people's code. Although the OS's interface to applications is strongly influenced by the approach of Unix, it's not a replacement for Unix; it is a new design. Subject: What are its key ideas? Plan 9 exploits, as far as possible, three basic technical ideas: first, all the system objects present themselves as named files that are manipulated by read/write operations; second, all these files may exist either locally or remotely, and respond to a standard protocol; third, the file system name space - the set of objects visible to a program - is dynamically and individually adjustable for each of the programs running on a particular machine. The first two of these ideas were foreshadowed in Unix and to a lesser extent in other systems, while the third is new: it allows a new engineering solution to the problems of distributed computing and graphics. Plan 9's approach means that application programs don't need to know where they are running; where, and on what kind of machine, to run a Plan 9 program is an economic decision that doesn't affect the construction of the application itself. Subject: What are the advantages to this approach? Plan 9's approach improves generality and modularity of application design by encouraging servers that make any kind of information appear to users and to applications just like collections of ordinary files. Here are a few examples. The Plan 9 window system (called 8½) is small and clean in part because its design is centered on providing a virtual keyboard, mouse, and screen to each of the applications running under it, while using the real keyboard, mouse, and screen supplied by the operating system. That is - besides creating, deleting, and arranging the windows themselves - its job is be a server for certain resources used by its clients. As a side benefit, this approach means that the window system can run recursively in one of its windows, or even on another machine. Plan 9 users do Internet FTP by starting a local program that makes all the files on any FTP server (anywhere on the Internet) appear to be local files. Plan 9 PC users with a DOS/Windows partition on their disk can use the files stored there. ISO 9660 CD-ROMs and cpio tapes all behave as if they were native file systems. The complete I/O behavior and performance of any application can be monitored by running it under a server that sees all its interactions. The debugger can examine a program on another machine even if it is running on a different hardware architecture. Another example is the approach to networks. In Plan 9, each network presents itself as a set of files for connection creation, I/O, and control. A common semantic core for the operations is agreed upon, together with a general server for translating human-readable addresses to network-specific ones. As a result, applications don't care which kind of network (TCP/IP, ISDN, modem, Datakit) they are using. In fact, applications don't even know whether the network they are using is physically attached to the machine the application is running on: the network interface files can be imported from another machine. Hardware and Software: Subject: What platforms does it run on? The Plan 9 kernel and applications are highly portable. Plan 9 runs on four major machine architectures: Intel 386/486/Pentium, MIPS, SPARC, and Motorola 68020. Data structures and protocols are designed for distributed computing on machines of diverse design. Except for necessarily machine-dependent parts of the kernel, the compilers, and a few libraries, there is a single source representation for everything. The systems supported under each architecture are: 386 386, 486, Pentium and clones see the "What PC hardware works well with Plan 9?" section of this faq for more information on this popular topic MIPS MIPS Magnum 3000, 6280, SGI Power Series, Indigo, Challenge M; SPARC SLC (4/20) Sparcstation 2 (4/75) have been tested, Sparcstation 1 (4/60), IPC (4/40), 1+ (4/65), ELC (4/25), and IPX (4/50) will probably work too; 68020 Gnot, 68040 NeXTstation. More details are available in "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html Subject: Is anyone working on a port for my system? Steve Kotsopoulos has a preliminary SGI Indy R4000 port, available from ftp://ftp.ecf.toronto.edu/pub/plan9/steve/indy.bod Bug reports welcome at steve@fywss.com. Charles Forsyth has found that the Indy R4600 will require more extensive changes. Both David Hogan and forsyth (separately) ported an older version of Plan 9 to the Sun-3/50 and 3/60. David Hogan got the new release working on Sun-3/50 and 3/60s and forsyth has tidied it up for distribution. See http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/sun3/sun3.bundle.gz David Hogan is also working on a port to the DEC Alpha architecture. He will announce it when it is ready. Charles Forsyth is working on a Plan 9 Port to the BeBox, details are at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/bebox.html A PowerPC compiler suite for Plan 9 has been implemented, see http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/soft/power.html for details. Neither the Amiga nor Atari are supported. The Decstation 2100 and 3100 are not supported, but Tad Hunt has started working on a port. Step one was to make the plan9 mips toolset output little endian code. His patches for vl(1) to make bootable pmax code are at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/patches/vl Queries to tad@elwood-low.csh.rit.edu Subject: Does it support symmetric multiprocessing? Yes. SGI Power series multiprocessors are supported both as CPU servers and file servers. The newer SGI Challenge series of multiprocessors and dual processor Pentiums are only supported by Brazil, not Plan 9. Subject: Is it object-oriented? No, not in the conventional sense. It is written in a strict dialect of ISO/ANSI C. In a wider sense, its general design of making all its `objects' look like files to which one talks in a well-defined protocol shows a related approach. Subject: What about applications and tools? Plan 9 comes with its own compilers for C and other languages, together with all the commands and program-development tools originally pioneered in the Unix environment. It also provides newly designed software. Alef is a new language that provides threads, inter-process and inter-machine communication through typed channels, and abstract data types. Acid is a programmable debugger that understands multiple-process programs, and the programs it is debugging may be running on a hardware platform different from its own. Acme is a new user interface in which any word on the screen can be interpreted as a command by clicking on it, and any string can specify a file to be displayed. Subject: What about application portability? Plan 9 comes with a library that makes it easy to import POSIX-conforming applications. There is also a library that emulates the Berkeley socket interface. Subject: Is there a fortran compiler? No, plan9 does not have a fortran compiler. If you have fortran programs you want to run, you can try using the f2c (fortran to C) converter available at ftp://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/f2c/ Subject: What resources does it need? As might be expected, the answer depends on what you want to do. The kernel, the window system, and the basic applications will run comfortably on a PC with 8MB of memory. A single diskette can hold the kernel, window system, editor, and basic Ethernet/Internet interface. A 4-diskette set holds a system sufficient for simple program development (compiler, loader, debugger, more utilities). On the other hand, the system can grow. The installation at Bell Laboratories includes multiprocessor SGI Power Series and Challenge machines as CPU servers, and a 350GB Sony WORM disk jukebox for the file server. Subject: What GUIs does it support? The standard interface doesn't use icons or drag-n-drop; Plan 9 people tend to be text-oriented. But the window system, the editor, and the general feel are very mousy, very point-and-click: Plan 9 windows are much more than a bunch of glass TTYs. The system supports the graphics primitives and libraries of basic software for building GUIs, and if need arises, the X window system has been ported to Plan 9. [Note: The X server only runs on MIPS systems. No one at Bell Labs is working on the port, so they didn't ship it with the CDROM] Subject: Does Plan 9 have any Unix-like terminal emulators? The Plan 9 window system doesn't obey any inline cursor controls, since none of the native applications use cursor-addressing. If you want to get from Plan9 to Unix systems, you can run /bin/hp in one of your windows, telnet/rlogin to Unix, and set the term/TERM variable to hp2621 on the Unix end. See hp(1) for more details. Subject: What character set does it use? The character set is Unicode, the 16-bit set unified with the ISO 10646 standard for representing languages used throughout the world. The system and its utilities support Unicode using a byte-stream representation (called UTF-8) that is compatible with ASCII. On Plan 9, one may grep for Cyrillic strings in a file with a Japanese name and see the results appear correctly on the terminal. Subject: What about security and user authentication? Plan 9's authentication design is akin to that of MIT's Kerberos. Passwords are never sent over networks; instead encrypted tickets are obtained from an authentication server. It doesn't have the concept of `set UID' programs. The file server doesn't run user programs, and except at its own console, it doesn't allow access to protected files except by authenticated owners. The concept of a special `root' user is gone. Subject: How does it communicate with other systems? The distribution includes a u9fs server that runs on Unix-compatible systems and understands the native Plan 9 remote file protocol, so that file systems of Unix machines may be imported into Plan 9. It also includes an NFS-compatible server that runs on Plan 9, so that Plan 9 file systems may be accessed from other systems that support NFS. It includes the full suite of Internet protocols (telnet, rlogin, ftp). Subject: Is it suitable for real time control? No, it is not. It is a general purpose system, without an interrupt priority scheme or real scheduler. Installation and Administration: Subject: What PC hardware works well with Plan 9? If you don't want to spend time fiddling with and swapping PC hardware, you may prefer to buy hardware that is in use within Bell Labs. If so, have a look at the "What We Use" document by jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com, at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/clone.html The general recommendation would be for a 486 PCI+ISA motherboard with I/O on the motherboard that would take a DX4-100. SIS or Intel chipset should be OK. If you can afford it, Intel cpus have larger primary caches and less possibility of running into incompatibilities. A condensed summary of the hardware that is known to work follows: Motherboards AMI Enterprise IV, ACER AP41. Many people run on stock PC-clones such as Dell, Gateway, Micron Millenias Pentium motherboards ASUS PCI/E-P54NP4, Gigabyte GA586-ID, Tyan Tempest S1462 VGA cards/chips S3 80[15], S3 928, S3 864, S3 964, S3 Trio64, S3 Trio32, Tseng Labs ET4000, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32p, Tseng Labs ET4000/W32i, ARK2000pv, CL-GD542x, CL-GD543x, C&T65540, MACH32, MACH64. Monitors IDEK 8617, Viewsonic 17, Nokia 445X, Nanao Flexscan 6500 21" greyscale. SCSI Controllers Buslogic controllers have been the most trouble-free, due to their open policy on providing programming information. Adaptec 1542 series, Ultrastor 14F ISA and a 34F VLB. SCSI CD-ROM 2x Toshiba 3401, 4X Toshiba 3601B, NEC 74 and 3Xi, 4x Plextor 4-Plex. The Toshiba and Plextor let you read the digital audio over the bus. Non-SCSI CD-ROM Mitsumi, Panasonic and Matsushita, attached to a Sound Blaster audio card, 4X Toshiba 5302B, Mitsumi FX400 and Teac 6x drive, attached to an ATAPI controller. Avoid Sanyo, it doesn't execute the drive diagnotics command properly. Audio Sound Blaster 16 or compatible (not the Sound Blaster Pro). Mouse PS/2 or serial, as long as it has 3 buttons. Ethernet Adapters 3Com 3C509, 3C509B are recommended. The EISA 3C579 works, but isn't worth the extra cost. The PCMCIA 3C589, PCI 3C590 and PCI 3C595 (fast ethernet) also work. AMD 79C970 based adapters seem to work fine. SMC (WD) series up to the Elite (and the Elite Ultra), some NE2000 compatibles (including an NE4100 PCMCIA card) and one Eagle NE3210 EISA card. The 3Com 3C503 does not work at all under load. The 3Com 3C595 is not supported. If you have time for netnews, the OS/2 and Linux newsgroups probably have some useful information. Another useful web page on PC hardware (with a BSDi bias) is "PC Hardware Hints and Kinks" at http://www.vix.com/vix/pc-hw/ Subject: How do I Install Plan 9? The installation is designed to be run from a PC. Note that Plan 9 uses an unallocated portion at the end of the disk, and you won't see this partition with the FDISK program. 1. Back up your system. 2. Make sure you've backed up your system. 3. Read "Installing the Plan 9 Distribution" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/install.html 4. Check the errata page at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/errata.html for problems and fixes found since the distribution was frozen. More recent bugfixes are now distributed in boddle format from the update directory at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/update 5. Here are some more questions that have been answered on the 9fans list: IP configuration ndb/cs will set the sysname if you setup an appropriate entry in /lib/ndb/local. You must specify an 'ether=' entry, and the address should be all lower case. If all goes well, ip/ipconfig will then configure IP. Mice If aux/mouse is having problems guessing the protocol, you can use the undocumented '-d type' option to help it out. Use 'aux/mouse -dC $mouseport' for a Logitech type C mouse, '-dW' for a Logitech type W mouse, or '-dM' for a Microsoft compatible mouse. Name Service If you have having problems, first check that ndb/dns is running. It needs to be started in /rc/bin/termrc or /rc/bin/cpurc. Also note that only fully qualified names are supported, and there isn't a separate resolver. Binding and Mounting Devices Note that # is the shell comment character, so you must enclose it in single quotes. For example: bind -a '#R6' /dev Auth Server When booting a cpuserver without an auth server, if you give 0.1.0.0 as the auth server address instead the cpu server's own address, you won't have to wait for it to timeout. Subject: How can I install only part of the CDROM? The cdrom has about 375Meg of files on it, but if you are short on disk space you can install with much less than that. Each of the toplevel architecture-specific directories takes up over 40Meg, so if you only have PC's you can save over 140Meg by simply not installing /mips, /sparc and /68020. If you don't need the source in /sys/src (shame on you), you'll save 43Meg. The pcdist disks at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist contain bugfixes that are not on the CDROM, and some of the fixes are not yet available in source form either. If you are installing on a pc, it is probably easiest to install the pcdist first, and then merge in whatever you want from the cdrom. If you use mkfs to copy the cdrom, you can make sure you don't overwrite files that were fixed on the pcdist. You can use the following steps to load the entire cdrom except /mips, /sparc and /68020 on a standalone pc. First, install the latest pcdist using the standard installation procedure. Next, mount the cdrom [this assumes scsi cdrom at device 4] % 9660srv % disk/kfscmd allow % mkdir /n/cd % mount /srv/9660 /n/cd '#R4/cd4' Use the following to copy the filesystem rooted at /n/cd (the cdrom) to /n/kfs (the local PC filesystem), according to the proto file /tmp/386allproto, and without overwriting any files that are on the pcdist. % /n/cd/386/bin/disk/mkfs -v -s /n/cd /tmp/386allproto Where /tmp/386allproto is the following mkfs proto file: acme + adm + cron + lib + mail + mnt + rc + sys + usr + 386 + Subject: Will Plan 9 install on disks larger than 2 Gig? The Bell Labs distribution is getting old and will not install reliably on [E]IDE disks >2GB (you might get lucky if your disk is <4GB, but no guarantees). Use a 2GB or smaller disk for now. Someday a patch might be available. Subject: Are there any known problems? New pcdist files are available via ftp from plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/pcdist. These should fix most problems people have had with disk configurations. There are also VGA fixes and ATAPI CD-ROMs are included in the list of supported hardware. Some of the source changes are available as boddles in the update directory already but not all changes are there yet. Problems with Adaptec 1542C[FP] If the BIOS is enabled on the 1542C/CF and BIOS options for support of drives > 1Gb, dynamic scanning of the SCSI bus or more than 2 drives under DOS 5.0 are enabled, the BIOS disables accepting Cmbinit to protect against running with drivers which don't support those options. In order to unlock the interface it is necessary for the driver to read a lock-code using Cextbios and write it back using Cmbienable; the lock-code is non-zero. If any of the options mentioned above are on, timeout errors will occur. Either the BIOS or all the relevant options should be disabled. There is a new version of b.com on plan9.bell-labs.com in the pcdist subdirectory which should overcome this problem but it's not known if it works in all cases. Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controllers There is no support for any Adaptec AHA-2xxx series controller. It would be great if someone wrote a driver since these are popular and show up embedded on motherboards. However, it's completely different from any other Adaptec controller and the rumour on the street is that a driver would be a fair amount of work. Manuals are hard to get, they seem to be permanently on back-order. If someone wants to tackle this project, the driver for FreeBSD may be a good starting point. The NCR8xx series look to be a cheaper alternative with similar performance and Nigel Roles has already written a driver for it which is available at http://www.cotswold.demon.co.uk along with some other plan9 software. 3C509B ethernet card Make sure you disable the Plug-and-Play option and set the transceiver type explicitly(don't use auto-select mode) Subject: It doesn't work for me, how should I troubleshoot? If you are having having SCSI problems, check your cables and terminators. this is generally the single largest cause of weird SCSI problems. Active terminators are best. If you run external cables you need to get high quality ones. Also, don't crank of the speed on the card. Subject: How do I setup the VGA? Simple vga cards and monitors should work at 640x480x[12]. For higher resolutions, especially on untested cards, you will have to find out more about the card so you can configure it. The relevant manuals are: vga(3), vgadb(6), vga(8), and b.com(8). For a detailed debugging guide (too large to include here), see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/vga Subject: How do I control the services that start at boot time? This is controlled by shell scripts, that are roughly equivalent to the /etc/rc files on Unix: /rc/bin/termrc for terminals /rc/bin/cpurc for cpu servers See cpurc(8) for more details. Subject: How do I setup network services? For UDP services, you must start them up in the appropriate cpurc(8) file. For TCP, IL, or Datakit services, you must use the listen(8) daemon. Subject: How do I upgrade from the old release of Plan 9? The 9P protocol has changed in the second edition, due to changes in the way that Plan 9 does its authentication. For those using Unix-based u9fs file servers, you will have to compile and install the new version of u9fs. For more tips on running with a u9fs file server, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/u9fs For those using the standard Plan 9 file servers, ken@plan9.bell-labs.com reports that the disk format in the new release is the same, so there should be no problems running the new FS code on old disks. Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a standalone Sparc? abochann@cisco.com (Alex Bochannek) did it as follows: 1) Unpack the CD on a UNIX system and install a u9fs server. 2) Boot the SPARC off the u9fs server 3) Create a kfs on sd1 and unpack the whole CD on it. 4) Copy the file /sys/src/9/ss/sscd to /sys/src/9/ss/sssd1 5) Change the line k9660srv.root to kfs.root and change the line boot terminal #R6/cd6 to boot terminal #w1/sd1 6) Add sssd1 to the CONFLIST and change CONF=ss to CONF=sssd1 in the ss/mkfile 7) Do a make all in /sys/src/9 8) Copy the new image 9sssd1 to your favorite TFTP server (or boot from sd3 on your local system) Subject: How do I install Plan 9 on a Next? For a summary of how taweil@ucs.usc.edu (Ta-Wei Li) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/next.html Subject: How do I setup a dual boot for Plan 9 and Windows95? For a summary of how castor@tkg.com (Castor Fu) did it, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/win95 Subject: Can I install Plan 9 with less than 8Mb of ram? The official answer is no, 8Mb is the minimum supported memory configuration. Some people are using it with only 4Mb though. You'll need to borrow 4Mb from another system to get you past the install process (where 8Mb is needed to expand the diskettes). After the install is done, you may be able to run with only 4Mb if you set the vga at a low resolution and/or depth, or perhaps fiddle with the kernelpercent parameter in plan9.ini(8). Subject: How do I stop 8c/8l from running out of memory? In /sys/src/9/pc/mem.h, SEGMAPSIZE is set to 16 (Meg) by default. If you try to compile ghostscript or libtiff on a PC, this value is too low. Change it from 16 to 64; build and boot a new kernel with this setting; and you should be fine after that. Subject: Are there any security concerns I should be aware of? If someone sets up their plan9 system according to the manuals, anyone on the internet can telnet/rlogin in as 'none' without a password To disable this anonymous access, use the undocumented '-N' option to aux/telnetd and aux/ftp, which disallows logins as 'none'. Since aux/rlogin execs aux/telnetd without the '-N' option, the only protection may be to patch the source, or remove /bin/service/tcp513 Finally, ip/tftpd grants access to any world-readable file. The main concern here is that people using u9fs as their file server probably have an /etc/passwd file from their Unix system accessible. If so, make sure you don't have any encrypted passwords in it, or someone could steal it and use 'crack' to break the passwords. Subject: What is a boddle and what is it good for? It's a bundle o' diffs: an rc script that when run with appropriate options will apply a set of changes to the reference copy of the source from the CDROM producing an updated copy in a subdirectory, for you to cat and diff, and eventually cp onto the active source for a subsequent mk. The boddle command (not in the release, fetch it from plan9.bell-labs.com) takes a reference source and an updated version and produces a boddle file. it comes with a manual page; read that for details. Subject: How do I setup PPP? First, apply the changes at http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/bod/ppp.bod These add -9 (enable IL/IP compression) and -m (set netmask) options to pppclient, and fix a few bugs. Assuming you will use /dev/eia1, login to the ppp server as follows: 1. % telco -s 38400 /dev/eia1 2. % con -r -l telco!967-1111 3. login and startup ppp on the server 4. use "control \" to escape back to the >>> prompt in con, and type !onppp to link pppclient to the remote server. onppp is the following rc script: #!/bin/rc {sleep 5; echo add 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 128.100.8.4 >'#P/iproute' }& exec aux/pppclient -i 128.100.8.19 -p 128.100.8.4 $* 5. To shut down, use % kill pppclient | rc and disconnect in con. Thanks to forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk and craigl@tezcat.com for this section. Subject: Where can I get unzip and gzip for Plan 9? http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/gzip.tar http://www.caldo.demon.co.uk/plan9/dist/pub/unzip.tgz you might need to use the -f (force) option with gzip, because it changes behaviour based on isatty() Subject: How do I use texinfo on Plan 9? To use texinfo, run "tex foo.texinfo" to create foo.dvi, then use "dvips foo.dvi > foo.ps" to create a Postscript file, which is viewable with "page" and printable with "lp". Note: If the file foo.texinfo contains cross-references, you may have to run "tex foo.texinfo" twice. The first pass creates aux files and the second pass reads them. Subject: How do I reboot my system? The system can be rebooted by typing ^T^Tr (two control-T's followed by 'r'). Cpu servers can be rebooted by typing ^P on the console. See the cons(3) manual for more details. Subject: How do I tell if a file server is up? It won't respond to ping (no icmp), but it does support arp. Of course, you could just try connecting to it with 9p. General Information: Subject: Where did the name come from? It was chosen in the Bell Labs tradition of selecting names that make marketeers wince. The developers also wished to pay homage to the famous film, "Plan 9 From Outer Space". Subject: How can I Obtain Plan 9? Complete information for purchasing the Plan 9 distribution or ftp'ing the free PC trial version is available at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/distrib.html To summarize the information on the above webpage: Contents The Plan 9 distribution consists of two books, four 1.4 megabyte floppies, and a CD-ROM. The books contain the manual pages and a collection of papers describing the system. The four floppies contain a complete bootable Plan 9 system for IBM-compatible PCs (>=386). They have the kernel, the window system, Internet support, and programming environments for both the C and Alef languages. The CD-ROM contains everything: kernels, libraries, and utilities for the Intel 386 (including 486 and Pentium), Sparc, 68020, and Mips architectures and the sources to create them. It also has a selection of interesting stuff (road maps of the US, sky catalogs). To find out whether Plan 9 supports your hardware, read "The Various Ports" at URL http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/doc/port.html To Order The distribution is published by Harcourt Brace and Company. To order it from the US call 800 782 4479. >From Canada and the Caribbean, call 800 841 9938 Elsewhere, use +1 407 345 3800 If you are having problems getting through on the above number you can fax your order to +1-407-345-4060. The cost for the full kit is US$350 plus shipping; the ISBN is 0-03-017143-1. The manuals can be ordered by themselves for US$125 plus shipping; ISBN is 0-03-017142-3. Everyone, even Lucent Technologies employees, must order the system this way. There are no special arrangements or deals. Any bookshop should be able to order it for you if you give them one of the ISBN numbers. Free Trial Plan 9 does not purport to run on all PCs. Since Plan 9 does not use the BIOS, it is sensitive to hardware differences between PCs. Therefore, the developers provide the contents of the four floppies on the Internet via FTP for you to try out. Ftp to plan9.bell-labs.com, log in as anonymous, and get the files from /plan9/pcdist Subject: How can I get involved? The best way to learn about the system is to write something that other people in the Plan 9 user community could use, or to port the system to new platforms. Several people have already made their applications available, such as an http server, Unix-based authentication server, fileserver port to the PC, etc. The current list of user-contributed software includes: pace@blitz.com (Pace Willisson) has ported the Plan 9 authentication server to Unix, to allow Plan 9 terminals to function without a Plan 9 cpu server performing authentication. For more details, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/unixauth avg@postman.ncube.com (Vadim Antonov) has provided some information on converting terminals into multi-user hybrid cpu servers and terminals. For his posting to 9fans, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/misc/cpu_terminal beto@plan9.cs.su.oz.au has ported a Linux QuickCam program into a Plan 9 driver which serves /dev/camera and /dev/focus. /dev/camera has the same format than /dev/screen so most of fb/* programs work well with it. The driver is at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects eran@research.att.com (Eran Gabber) has ported the FreeBSD driver for the Talisman XL MPEG-1 playback card for ISA bus to Plan 9. It displays full motion video in a VGA window and/or generates NTSC signal. In particular, MPEG decoding, picture resizing and video overlay are all done in hardware. However, it doesn't use DMA due to its complex architecture. The driver is available from http://cm.bell-labs.com/is/what/mpeg-driver This page also points at a copyright disclaimer and installation instructions. Please read both carefully. bischof@informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (Hans-Peter Bischof) has written spy, which receives the 9P messages from the kernel, displays them for modification and sends the resulting messages to the intended server. In the same way spy transmits the 9P replies of the server. Data spied out in this manner can be used in many different ways. It is available from ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/pub/plan9/spy.tar bl@neon.mime.univ-paris8.fr (Bodet Laurent) has modified the dossrv file server to read and write Linux ext2 partitions. You can find ext2srv at ftp:://ftp.mime.univ-paris8.fr/usr/bl/ext2srv-0.2.tar.gz Contact ngr@symbionics.co.uk if you'd like to test his Zip parallel port driver. It does nibble mode only so works with anything, just not quickly (reads are about 5mb a minute, writes double that). Other software is available on the Plan 9 user community ftp site, ftp.ecf.toronto.edu:/pub/plan9 If anyone would like their projects listed here, let me know. This should help prevent duplication of effort, and increase involvment from the 'net community. If you are looking for a list of suggested project topics, see http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/projects Subject: How can I get more detailed technical information? The Internet site plan9.bell-labs.com stores a collection of papers about the system in the plan9 directory; they are available for anonymous FTP. For a hypertext interface to these papers, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol2.html For the manual pages, see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/vol1.html Subject: Can I emulate Plan 9 under Unix? Several Plan 9 inspired applications are available for Unix systems. The sam editor is available from ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/unixsrc/sam/ There is also a Windows 95/NT version of Sam, currently distributed in binary form only, available from http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/research/sam-win.zip Comments and bug reports can be sent to seanq@research.bell-labs.com A free re-implementation of the rc shell is available from ftp://ftp.white.toronto.edu/pub/rc/ Wily is an acme lookalike by Gary Capell, gary@cs.su.oz.au. See http://www.cs.su.oz.au/~gary/wily/ 9wm is David Hogan's lightweight X window manager in the style of 8½. It is available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/dhog/9wm/ Comments to dhog@cs.su.oz.au 9term is an 8½ terminal emulator by Matty Farrow, matty@cs.su.oz.au, available from ftp://ftp.cs.su.oz.au/matty/unicode/ In the same directory, you'll find a collection of Unicode fonts that can be used with 9term, sam and wily. 9menu is a simple program by Arnold Robbins, arnold@gnu.ai.mit.edu, that allows you to create X menus from the shell, where each menu item will run a command. 9menu is intended for use with 9wm, but can be used with any other window manager. It is available from ftp://ftp.mathcs.emory.edu/pub/arnold/9menu-1.4.shar.gz Copyright © 1995 Lucent Technologies. All rights reserved. -- Steve Kotsopoulos, P. Eng Senior Developer steve@nevex.com Nevex Software Technologies Inc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:12:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13321 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:12:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13317 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:12:32 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:12:12 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? why is it only some messages? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:46:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14040 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA14036 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4346 invoked by uid 991); 8 Jun 2000 03:46:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608034609.4344.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] In-Reply-To: Message from jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com of "Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:12:12 EDT." <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:46:09 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu jmk: | is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? | why is it only some messages? Unfortunately, yes. For example, From: Christopher Nielsen Subject: [9fans] ThinkPad 600X Message-ID: This was mailed by the author to 9fans. The usenet gateway at bath.ac.uk forwarded it to usenet. Then the usenet gateway at bath.ac.uk forwarded the usenet posting to 9fans. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 01:12:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15884 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:12:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15876 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id HAA12620 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:12:05 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:12:03 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Message-ID: <20000608071202.K3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu>; from jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com on Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:12:12PM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:12:12PM -0400, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? > why is it only some messages? I get a hint of the reason by saving the messages using "mutt". Those of which I get a single copy are saved under =9fans, the others are saved under = where is the login ID of the originator. Mutt and Elm are very similar in this respect. Since the Reply-to: heading (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, and the only other possibility is the format of the "From" header. Mine is Lucio De Re versus the option, say, lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) which MUTT won't let me try :-) Or perhaps a "sender" address? Something triggers a different response in the mailing list or news to gateway software. Of course, the source itself may be an explanation. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 01:45:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA16384 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:45:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA16379 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zv7k-0001CS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:45:00 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:28:48 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000608071202.K3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200006080312.XAA13317@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:12:12PM -0400, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > is everyone still getting duplicate messages on the mailing list? > why is it only some messages? I get a hint of the reason by saving the messages using "mutt". Those of which I get a single copy are saved under =9fans, the others are saved under = where is the login ID of the originator. Mutt and Elm are very similar in this respect. Since the Reply-to: heading (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, and the only other possibility is the format of the "From" header. Mine is Lucio De Re versus the option, say, lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) which MUTT won't let me try :-) Or perhaps a "sender" address? Something triggers a different response in the mailing list or news to gateway software. Of course, the source itself may be an explanation. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 02:32:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA16922 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA16918 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4594 invoked by uid 991); 8 Jun 2000 06:32:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608063203.4592.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] In-Reply-To: Message from Lucio De Re of "Thu, 08 Jun 2000 07:12:03 +0200." <20000608071202.K3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 02:32:03 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu | Since the Reply-to: heading | (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, I'll turn that off if the consensus is to do so. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:39:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA17622 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:39:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA17617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA12775 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:38:54 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:38:50 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Message-ID: <20000608093850.L3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20000608063203.4592.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <20000608063203.4592.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu>; from Scott Schwartz on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:32:03AM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:32:03AM -0400, Scott Schwartz wrote: > > | Since the Reply-to: heading > | (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, > > I'll turn that off if the consensus is to do so. My vote is to leave it as is, simply because we're a reasonably stable readership (interactship?). It's easier this way (this very message would have been caught out) and the degree of personal interchange on the list is low enough and polite enough that problems will be minimal if any at all. On the other hand, NET convention is great to follow and makes it easier for casual interaction, so if the mailing list is poised to grow, that may be the route to follow. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 04:31:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18268 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 04:31:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18264 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 04:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zxWn-0007YU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:19:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:58:35 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000608093850.L3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 02:32:03AM -0400, Scott Schwartz wrote: > > | Since the Reply-to: heading > | (against NET convention, but it's probably OK) is munged to the list, > > I'll turn that off if the consensus is to do so. My vote is to leave it as is, simply because we're a reasonably stable readership (interactship?). It's easier this way (this very message would have been caught out) and the degree of personal interchange on the list is low enough and polite enough that problems will be minimal if any at all. On the other hand, NET convention is great to follow and makes it easier for casual interaction, so if the mailing list is poised to grow, that may be the route to follow. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 05:15:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18780 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:15:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18771 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zyIF-0000vy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:08:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:46:17 GMT From: Christian Ambrose Message-ID: <393F2FFB.596729C9@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Bell Labs has released the source code for their Plan 9 operating system for free download over the internet. The development team for Plan 9 includes wizard hackers such as Dennis Ritchie, responsible for the C programming language and some of UNIX, and Rob Pike, "The UNIX Programming Environment" was co-authored by him and he is the project leader. The Slashdot post is available at http://slashdot.org/articles/00/06/07/2259250.shtml , and the Bell Labs pages are http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ and an article is available at http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html . Christian -- I practice cook and release fishing. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 05:16:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18788 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:16:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18776 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 05:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12zyID-0000vq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:08:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:44:23 GMT From: Dharani Vilwanathan Message-ID: <8hm2jb$lot2@news.research.bell-labs.com> Organization: Bell Laboratories, Lucent Technologies Reply-To: Dharani Vilwanathan Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The release seems to be ready for download. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 09:02:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21378 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:02:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA21373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1301ht-0005lw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:46:45 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:46:18 GMT From: "Anthony C. Zboralski" Message-ID: <375D1A27.3344A381@hert.org> Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8hm2jb$lot2@news.research.bell-labs.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Dharani Vilwanathan wrote: > Hi, > > Did you see the article on Plan 9 in Bell Labs site? > > Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html > > The release seems to be ready for download. > > Thanks > dharani it is great! .. i am downloading it.. it is a 50 meg compressed file.. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 09:30:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22110 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:30:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22101 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1302HR-0007P1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:23:29 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:21:35 GMT From: Anssi Porttikivi Message-ID: <393F9C24.78510A84@iki.fi> Organization: University of Helsinki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Congratulations for the new release! Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Everything is now just so fine, that it ever could be. I love this world of beauty. I think I just found a career back for myself, having almost abandoned hope for the world domination of Plan 9 / Inferno ideas. Thanks, Rob, and others! May God bless you! The new release received a very warmhearted welcome at Slashdot, the current opinion leader forum of the computing world..., see http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/06/07/2259250&mode=nested -- 040-7505155 app@iki.fi From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 09:34:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22269 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:34:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22260 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081333.JAA22260@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:33:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 10:04:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22909 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:04:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (ns2.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22905 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com ([135.180.160.8]) by crufty; Thu Jun 8 10:03:48 EDT 2000 Received: from acme (acme [135.180.135.56]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04756 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01bfd153$27b0c450$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Reply-To: "Dharani Vilwanathan" From: "Dharani Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <393F9C24.78510A84@iki.fi> Subject: Re: [9fans] Congratulations for the new release! Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:09:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, > Everything is now just so fine, that it ever could be. I love this world > of beauty. The overall installation style was a very pleasant surprise. I was very delighted to see rio during installation. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 10:18:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23378 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:18:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081417.KAA23373@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:17:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu While we're thanking and congratulating, I'd like to mention some people. The number of people who contributed to the system is too long that I'm certain to leave someone out if I try to create a complete list. But I want to point out that the software to package, distribute, download and boot the system was done by Russ Cox, Dave Presotto, and Jim McKie. The smoothness of the process is a testament to their abilities. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 10:30:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23753 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:30:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 10:30:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1303I8-0001Qh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:28:16 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:18:38 GMT From: vdharani@dnrc.bell-labs.com (Dharani Vilwanathan) Message-ID: <001b01bfd153$27b0c450$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <393F9C24.78510A84@iki.fi> Reply-To: Dharani Vilwanathan Subject: Re: [9fans] Congratulations for the new release! Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, > Everything is now just so fine, that it ever could be. I love this world > of beauty. The overall installation style was a very pleasant surprise. I was very delighted to see rio during installation. Thanks dharani From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:20:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25077 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25068 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25725 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:19:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, While downloading the `distribution archive' the operation is stopped arbitrarily. I tried it under both Linux and Solaris with the same result. Is the problem on server side (too many connections..) or my side? Any pointers? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:30:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25424 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:30:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA25403 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081530.LAA25403@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Possible network outages From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:29:33 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Just so you know... Due to very unfortunately timed construction here at MH, there's a good chance we'll lose network connectivity from Bell Labs to the Internet for a few hours this weekend. It's unclear to us just when, if, or for how long this will be, but I thought it was worth telling people that if they can't connect this weekend, it's for reasons beyond our control. Apologies for the inconvenience. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:35:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25668 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from postman.ncube.com (postman.ncube.com [134.242.8.47]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop.ncube.com (fc_dhcp51 [134.242.6.51]) by postman.ncube.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id IAA26512 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000608083046.03cc0100@ncube.ncube.com> X-Sender: ianj@ncube.ncube.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:34:49 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Ian Johnstone Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Rob Congratulations. This is great news ! As you know nCUBE has been using PLAN 9 in its massively scaleable video servers for 6 years. Is nCUBE the only company out there with a true commercial application of PLAN 9 ? Just curious ... Ian >To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free >From: "rob pike" >Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 09:33:37 -0400 >Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu >Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > >The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under >the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". > >-rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 11:39:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25945 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA25937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id LAA27536; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081539.LAA27536@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:36:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The network is having a hard time keeping up with all the downloads. If you have a supported ethernet card, the download program on the floppy is good at redialing and starting where it left off. Apparently Netscape is not particularly good at this (at least when talking to our web server). You might try a different browser (Opera or IE5 under Windows) and see if that helps, at least with the restartability. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 12:19:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27149 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA27142 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081619.MAA27142@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:19:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks. There are other commercial licensees but I think they all use the system to provide network services rather than packaged products. Inferno gets used in a bunch of stuff including some flagship Lucent switch products. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 12:55:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28341 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28337 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is01.fas.harvard.edu (IDENT:wjosephs@is01.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.101]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id MAA12780; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by is01.fas.harvard.edu with id MAA25293; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20000608125522.A8697@fas.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:55:22 -0400 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Extracting Plan9 distribution archives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu For those of us with no machine on which to install the new distribution, there is source to explode decompressed distribution archives at http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~wkj/Software/9e/ -WJ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:15:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28961 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:15:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (mailhost2.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.66]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31027 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:15:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12980 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:15:01 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation In-Reply-To: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> from Ish Rattan at "Jun 8, 2000 11:19:23 am" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:15:00 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU"S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL70 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I'd like to add my congratuations to the team at Bell Labs. The new release sounds great, and the open source release extremely generous. Before I start downloading documentation, I was wondering if anyone can tell me if AT&T are planning on publishing a new edition of the manual set that was provided with the 2nd release? I still find it useful to have a paper copy to mull over at times. Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included with the forthcoming boxed distribution from Vita Nuova? In the interim, are there any parts of the old manuals that are unchanged and need not be downloaded. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:31:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29442 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29436 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130664-0003rG-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:28:00 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:20:29 GMT From: Bill Dodd Message-ID: Organization: IBM Austin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] A few questions about the new release Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Let me add my congratulations (and thanks) to all involved in getting the new release out! I down-loaded the bits yesterday, but haven't been able to get it up and running yet; none of my video cards are recognized. I did some web searches for online sites selling the cards listed in the "Cards we use" section of the "Supported PC hardware" document. The only one that I've been able find that is still on the market is the ATI Xpert 98 (PCI, 8MB, Mach64 based I believe). This looks like a pretty good choice. Does anyone have any other recommendations? 680X0: I see that the release notes do not list a 680X0 kernel, and the "Installing ..." doc mentions that the kernel requires 8 bits per pixel. I assume this means I won't be able to my old 68040 NeXT cube (w/ 2 bit grayscale display) as a terminal. True? Looking down the road, I plan to set up a file server and cpu server. Is there a requirement that either of these 2 boxes have a video card that is supported in graphics mode, or will any old card that just works in text mode be sufficient to install/configure/administer these? Thanks, -bill From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:31:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29484 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA29456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1305q2-0003kA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:11:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:07:49 GMT From: Christian Ambrose Message-ID: <393FCFD5.4D88855A@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081333.JAA22260@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I know, but that was originally a message for my friends. I just sent another copy to the news group. rob pike wrote: > > The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under > the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". > > -rob -- I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:45:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA29978 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:45:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from x.bell-labs.com (204.178.16.14.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.14]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA29973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:44:59 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006081744.NAA29973@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:43:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu what does AT&T have to do with the plan 9 release? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:49:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00200 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:49:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00191 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1306HH-0003y7-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:39:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:28:42 GMT From: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) Message-ID: <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Reply-To: Digby Tarvin Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I'd like to add my congratuations to the team at Bell Labs. The new release sounds great, and the open source release extremely generous. Before I start downloading documentation, I was wondering if anyone can tell me if AT&T are planning on publishing a new edition of the manual set that was provided with the 2nd release? I still find it useful to have a paper copy to mull over at times. Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included with the forthcoming boxed distribution from Vita Nuova? In the interim, are there any parts of the old manuals that are unchanged and need not be downloaded. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 13:52:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00399 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00395 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006081752.NAA00395@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:07:40 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included >>with the forthcoming boxed distribution from >>Vita Nuova? you bet. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 14:02:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00805 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:02:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA00801 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:02:17 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006081802.OAA00801@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:01:14 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A few questions about the new release MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Almost any ATI card with a Mach64 chip is a good choice. ATI still sells them although the product names may have evolved - check on www.ati.com under the product heading 'Rage Pro Technology' (or some such). Sorry, you'll have to do work to get the NeXT to go. We just don't have any left and when the graphics model changed it didn't seem worth doing. For a cpuserver or fileserver any old card that can do CGA is fine, that's where most of our old cards end up. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 14:13:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01287 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:13:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from sigint.cs.purdue.edu (sigint.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01283 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:13:33 -0400 (EDT) From: plan9@sigint.cs.purdue.edu Received: (qmail 1655 invoked by uid 998); 8 Jun 2000 18:14:19 -0000 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:14:19 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] burning archive to CD-ROM: ISO or raw? Message-ID: <20000608131419.B1632@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >From Step 5 of the download page: > If you can copy the archive to a CD-ROM, Plan 9 can unpack from a CD reader > as well. Should I just burn the raw image to the CD-ROM, or should it be in an ISO 9660 filesystem? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 14:31:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA01800 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:31:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01796 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id OAA25336; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] burning archive to CD-ROM: ISO or raw? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:27:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Make it a file called plan9.9gz on an ISO9660 file system. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:01:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA02779 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:01:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (mailhost1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA02772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA39947 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:00:56 +0100 (BST) Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13404 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:50:06 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <200006081850.TAA13404@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation In-Reply-To: <200006081744.NAA29973@cse.psu.edu> from "mike@bell-labs.com" at "Jun 8, 2000 01:43:37 pm" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:50:05 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU"S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL70 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > what does AT&T have to do with the plan 9 release? Don't know - I was just going by the fact that the 2nd release manuals have the AT&T logo on the spine, and were Copyright AT&T. I am not sure how ownership/responsibility is divided amoungst AT&T, Lucent, Bell Labs, Harcourt Brace, Vita Nuova etc. Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? It isn't obvious to me if Lucent will be printing and selling documentation to resellers and end-users, or if the resellers will be responsible for arranging their own printing. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:18:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03534 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03528 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8756 invoked by uid 991); 8 Jun 2000 19:18:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: Message from rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com of "Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:27:55 EDT." <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:18:13 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu My notes are at home, but here are a few comments from memory. * The installation instructions didn't say so, but the disk partitioning programs accept '?' as a command to get some help. That's useful to learn that you can use 't' to change a fallow partition to type PLAN9 (a fallow partition conveniently available, since I had been planning to install Linux there for the last five years but somehow never got around to it.) * When the kernel boots, it says something about 128MB swap. In the second edition, the penalty for having less backing store allocated than the kernel expected was a panic the first time one of those page frames was written out. Is that still the case? The installation instructions suggest that it should be harmless. * The system complained about not being able to assign an irq to the printer port. * The vga stuff works fine with a #9 771 card. * The installer is willing to try reading from an ext2 partition, but I had mixed results with that. (Ok, linux was recently installed on a second disk.) The mini-shell was unwilling to cd into /home, for unknown reasons. Putting plan9.9gz into / worked around that. * If you told the install-floppy-maker that you have ethernet, but then you use the local media to load the distribution, the ip information never gets configured, which makes ndb/dns pause a while before timing out. Don't panic if that happens. * It looks like glenda's home directory has a mode 0555 tmp directory in it, which should be 0777. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:20:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03694 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:20:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03690 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006081920.PAA03690@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:35:12 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Don't know - I was just going by the fact that the 2nd release >>manuals have the AT&T logo on the spine, and were Copyright AT&T. AT&T split itself into independent bits later, Lucent being one. >>I am not sure how ownership/responsibility is divided amoungst >>AT&T, Lucent, Bell Labs, Harcourt Brace, Vita Nuova etc. Lucent owns Plan 9 and licences it (using the licence you will have seen on the Bell Labs distribution site). >>Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T >>as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and >>Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive >>packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? I don't know what the HB arrangement was, but I can say definitively that we are not `engaged' to do this by Lucent. >>It isn't obvious to me if Lucent will be printing and selling >>documentation to resellers and end-users, or if the resellers >>will be responsible for arranging their own printing. Vita does its own publishing (we pay someone to do the actual printing but we prepare the printer-ready files, organise art work, CDs). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:25:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04027 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA04011 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006081925.PAA04011@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:25:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Lucent owns Plan 9 (and Bell Labs) since splitting up with AT&T in 1996. Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? That is an accurate picture. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:44:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04560 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:44:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04555 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vita-nuova.demon.co.uk ([158.152.205.94] helo=mjport) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1308E0-0007mB-0K; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:44:20 +0000 Message-ID: <003401bfd182$3a5a18c0$5d0101c8@hcinet> From: "Michael Jeffrey" To: "Digby Tarvin" , <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006081519.LAA25725@pali.cps.cmich.edu> <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:46:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Digby, the boxed set we will produce will include two manuals Vol 1 - the man pages Vol 2 - the papers together with the CD Michael Jeffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Digby Tarvin To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:28 PM Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation > Hi, > > I'd like to add my congratuations to the team at Bell Labs. > The new release sounds great, and the open source release > extremely generous. > > Before I start downloading documentation, I was wondering > if anyone can tell me if AT&T are planning on publishing > a new edition of the manual set that was provided with > the 2nd release? I still find it useful to have a paper > copy to mull over at times. > > Perhaps these are the manuals mentioned as being included > with the forthcoming boxed distribution from > Vita Nuova? > > In the interim, are there any parts of the old manuals > that are unchanged and need not be downloaded. > > Regards, > DigbyT > -- > Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org > http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 15:45:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04675 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:45:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04666 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1307sC-0005IF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:21:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:18:12 GMT From: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) Message-ID: <200006081850.TAA13404@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081744.NAA29973@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Digby Tarvin Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > what does AT&T have to do with the plan 9 release? Don't know - I was just going by the fact that the 2nd release manuals have the AT&T logo on the spine, and were Copyright AT&T. I am not sure how ownership/responsibility is divided amoungst AT&T, Lucent, Bell Labs, Harcourt Brace, Vita Nuova etc. Is it perhaps the case the Harcourt Brace was engaged by AT&T as exclusive packager/distributor for the second release, and Vita Nuova is the first of possibly many non-exclusive packer/distributors of Lucent's release.? It isn't obvious to me if Lucent will be printing and selling documentation to resellers and end-users, or if the resellers will be responsible for arranging their own printing. Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 18:18:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08346 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:18:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08341 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA17622 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:29:37 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:29:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] All right! In-Reply-To: <200006081715.SAA12980@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You guys at Lucent/Bell Labs have done it right! Who do I contact about the fact we'll soon have a Plan 9 user group in Austin? I think I've already converted a couple of people... ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 19:22:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09423 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:22:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09419 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18741 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:33:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:33:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition documentation In-Reply-To: <003401bfd182$3a5a18c0$5d0101c8@hcinet> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 8 Jun 2000, Michael Jeffrey wrote: > the boxed set we will produce will include two manuals > Vol 1 - the man pages > Vol 2 - the papers > together with the CD How much? When? Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 19:23:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09514 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:23:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09506 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 19:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA18775 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:34:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:34:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Hanger 18: Plan 9 Users of Austin Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Info: http://einstein.ssz.com/hanger18/index.html ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 21:39:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11372 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:39:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11367 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006090139.VAA11367@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:39:44 +0900 Subject: [9fans] file server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu After many fails of gettint 50MB by Netscape, I finally done it! Many thanks to all of Plan 9 team members to make us touch the third edition. It seems the file server has some change on its local disk image? Can we still use concatenation and/or interleaving of disks attached to different SCSI controlers? Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 22:16:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12145 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:16:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12141 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006090216.WAA12141@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:16:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Can we still use concatenation and/or interleaving of disks attached to different SCSI controlers? Yes. See fsconfig(8). -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 8 22:17:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12231 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006090217.WAA12225@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] turning off your plan 9 system From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:17:11 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu For those of you new to Plan 9, when turning off the system, you must halt the disks manually (i.e. typing ctl-alt-del does not do this) by typing disk/kfscmd halt at a prompt and waiting for ``kfs: file system halted'' to appear on the screen. Not doing this means the disk might not be in a consistent state or modified data might not have been written out yet; not halting the disk forces the long wait at the ``kfs...'' when you boot the next time while kfs checks the disk. This was forgotten in the installation documentation but is there now. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 00:27:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14302 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:27:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.ucsd.edu (ucsd.ucsd.edu [132.239.1.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14298 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 00:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tanya (tanya.ucsd.edu [132.239.141.90]) by mail.ucsd.edu; id VAA20936 sendmail 8.8.8AS/UCSD8.3 via SMTP Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:27:33 -0700 (PDT) for <@mail.ucsd.edu:9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: by tanya (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) id VAA17550; Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:27:31 -0700 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:27:31 -0700 From: edorman@tanya.UCSD.EDU (Eric Dorman) Message-Id: <200006090427.VAA17550@tanya> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Would like to thank the Plan9 team for their good work. Interesting notes: MGA-2064W support requires V2.5 card; definately won't work with V2.3 that I have. Looks like a descent into 'vga hell' :) /sys/src/fs/[plan9pc|emelie]/mkfile require -lsec vice -lcrypt to find block_cipher(). dhcp worked 'out of the box' with Roadrunner cable.. xlnt guys! Regards, Eric Dorman edorman@ucsd.edu From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 01:49:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15800 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:49:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA15796 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006090549.BAA15796@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] plan 9 download Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:48:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just fixed a bug in our http server. It will work better with incremental loaders like GetRight and Wget. If you found it impossible to download before, there's reason to expect it to have gotten a little better. Unfortunately, the congestion is still high so if you failed last time around, you might want to wait a day or two before trying again. Good luck. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 04:46:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18209 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18204 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KJP-0004vv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:38:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:31 GMT From: Simon Allaway Message-ID: <393FEF00.49DB85DC@fspdc.uchicago.edu> Organization: The University of Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have a test machine that's using a reasonably old Matrox Millenium video card. I can see fromvgadb that the MGA chipset is supported, but using version 2164W. The card I have has 2064W stamped on it. So, I tried editing vgadb: ctlr 0xC002D="MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.2 )" # Millennium 0xC002D="MATROX/MISTRAL VGA/VBE BIOS (V1." # Millennium II link=vga ctlr=mga2064w linear=1 hwgc=mga2064whwgc This cause aux/vga to hang. The result of aux/vga -pv : aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 7B 22 72 03 C0 04 00 19 2E 3E 3A 19 U.@.{"r......>:. 0xC0010 44 19 FF FF 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 20 49 42 D.......`.... IB 0xC0020 4D 20 43 4F 4D 50 41 54 49 42 4C 45 20 4D 41 54 M COMPATIBLE MAT 0xC0030 52 4F 58 2F 4D 49 4C 4C 45 4E 4E 49 55 4D 20 20 ROX/MILLENNIUM 0xC0040 56 47 41 2F 56 42 45 20 42 49 4F 53 20 28 56 32 VGA/VBE BIOS (V2 0xC0050 2E 32 20 29 00 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 90 .2 )............ 0xC0060 50 43 49 52 2B 10 19 05 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR+........... 0xC0070 40 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 38 33 38 2D 31 32 00 FF @.......838-12.. 0xC0080 E8 0D 61 8B D8 E8 9E 61 74 22 8C C8 3D 00 C0 74 ...a....at"..=..t 0xC0090 1B B0 04 2E A2 02 00 33 C0 33 F6 B9 FF 07 2E 02 ........3.3...... 0xC00A0 04 46 E2 FA F6 D8 2E 88 04 33 C0 CB 55 33 C0 8E ..F.......3..U3.. 0xC00B0 D8 8E C0 E8 6D 63 E8 2D 67 53 B0 40 E8 2B 00 5B .....mc.-gS.@.+.[ 0xC00C0 E8 B1 67 FC BA D4 03 E8 17 33 B8 00 A0 8E C0 BF ...g......3...... 0xC00D0 00 20 B9 00 C0 33 C0 F3 AA 8E C0 E8 09 33 B8 03 . ....3.......3.. 0xC00E0 00 CD 10 E8 4C 02 5D 33 C0 CB FA C7 06 08 01 65 .....L.]3.......e 0xC00F0 F0 C7 06 0A 01 00 F0 C7 06 40 00 60 19 8C 0E 42 ..........@.`...B Have I missed something obvious? Thanks in advance. Simon From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18498 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18484 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSH-00056D-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:39:38 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <394031c4$0$95974@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200005041212.IAA12514@cse.psu.edu>, <200005041257.NAA10332@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk>, <39153571.7E975CC3@null.net> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] (the potential) new release of Plan9, i386 only? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > > Of course it's not an optimum design, but the advantage of > being able to buy disk, memory, peripherals, and especially > application software at the corner store is overwhelming. > Never mind corner store; try the dumpsters in any good-sized office park. I have enough scavenged 486 machines to build a Beowulf cluster and still have enough left over for playing with Plan9. I'm starting to find 10BaseT cards, Pentiums up to 133 mHz and gig+ IDE drives. I'd have to find some much classier dumpsters or spend money on other things than ram to play with anything more "elegant". -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18510 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18489 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSG-000565-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:52 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:39:17 GMT From: b s Message-ID: Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User References: <200006081333.JAA22260@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes: Heartfelt congratulations to the Plan-9 team for getting this out, just the way the world wanted (open source). We all hope for a new computing revolution! %The list of contributors is a lot longer than that. Look under %the "Preface" links on the "http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/man". % %-rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18526 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18494 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSF-00055x-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:51 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:53 GMT From: Per von Zweigbergk Message-ID: Organization: Chello Usenet Service Subject: [9fans] Plan9 NAT network firewall on a 386? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. This is my initial close contact to the world of plan9, and I don't know a lot about it. I'm from a UNIX background, and I run Linux on my home machines. With that said, I can come to the main point of this post :) I'm considering changing the operating system on my 386/25 with 4 MB of RAM from Slackware Linux 3.9, to plan 9. The complete hardware of the system is the following: - Intel 386 at 25 mHz - 4 MB of RAM (I don't think this can be extended, as there are only four 30 pin SIMM slots, and bigger RAM chips are hard to get hold of in this day and age.) - A 170 MB IBM hard drive with an IDE interface. - Two ISA network cards in non-PnP mode. NE2000 compliant off the shelf stuff. -- Network card 1 connected with a statically assigned IP to the internal network. -- Network card 2 connected to a cable modem with IP's assigned with DHCP. The tasks is has right now are: - NAT (ip masquerading) firewall to let the network access the Internet. - Telnet server four "outsiders" to connect to my workstations which are more powerful. - Emergency IRC machine. :) Would this be possible to run on Plan9 rather than on Linux? I feel like changing firstly for exploration... and possibly less bloat? -- Per von Zweigbergk IRC: pvz (IRCnet, QuakeNet, EFnet, or UnderNet -- choose your poison) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 05:01:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA18543 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA18509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 05:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KSH-00056K-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:47:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:40:03 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <39405b13$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081539.LAA27536@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > Apparently Netscape is not particularly good > at this (at least when talking to our web server). > You might try a different browser (Opera or IE5 > under Windows) and see if that helps, at least > with the restartability. > IE did better than Netscape; died after 26 meg rather than the 3 to 4 meg that was the most Netscape could do. Are there any ftp sites where I could get it? For me, at least, ftp runs faster and more reliably than a browser download. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 07:09:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20528 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:09:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.45]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA20284 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 06:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (IDENT:root@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.37]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13835 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:52 +0200 Received: (from nemo@localhost) by nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00831; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14656.43622.408165.400838@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 (WEST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> References: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron 7k. BTW, anyone with a Lucent wavelan driver? If none, I'm willing to write one myself. But would prefer to reuse :-) -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 07:29:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA20864 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:29:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA20860 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:29:41 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006091129.HAA20860@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:30:36 EDT Subject: [9fans] YACM (yet another congratulatory message) re: 3rd Edition Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Outstanding! We have a 3rd edition standalone system running here at BORF. We will now turn our attention to converting our network over from 2nd edition which we have run since it was available in '95. Thank you's to all who had a part in pulling this off. It is really, REALLY apprecatiated. Brantley Coile From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 07:36:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA21096 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:36:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (root@gsyc.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.45]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA21086 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 07:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (IDENT:root@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.37]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13835 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:52 +0200 Received: (from nemo@localhost) by nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00831; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14656.43622.408165.400838@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:27:18 +0100 (WEST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> References: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron 7k. BTW, anyone with a Lucent wavelan driver? If none, I'm willing to write one myself. But would prefer to reuse :-) -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 09:16:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22952 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:16:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22943 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130Oaw-0003Ab-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 14:13:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:10:43 GMT From: yacht Message-ID: <3940EAB5.540C456E@mail.cz> Organization: unknown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] plan9 and TNT videochips Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I;m trying to install plan9 on my pc vith TNT videocard. Is it possible or TNT chipsets aren't supported ? How ? -- yacht icq: 22596072 // don't worry oo yacht@mail.cz \\ \\ be happy \__/ yacht@mail.muni.cz // From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 09:38:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23507 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:38:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cornet.ntli.net (cornet.ntli.net [212.250.12.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23500 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4885 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Jun 2000 13:37:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jun 2000 13:37:47 -0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 14:37:47 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Waples X-Sender: nickw@waples.hook.private.cableol.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Installing without floppy Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is it at all possible to install without a floppy? (from another fat partition, changing boot/root options, etc) Or is it customised to much to use the floppy? Reason being is that unfortunately I have an LS-120. (which of course stopped at the boot from:, but I didnt have enough time to fiddle further after waiting for 5hrs to download the dist only to have wget -c trash it and start again). Maybe ill give it a go with vmware tonight. Nick. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 10:15:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24524 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:15:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24520 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:15:12 -0400 To: simona@fspdc.uchicago.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Someone else just got a Millennium 2064W going in 640x480x8 mode by first downloading a flash BIOS upgrade from Matrox and then using 0xC001E="IBM COMPATIBLE MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE" in their vgadb. You might try that. Russ --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:11 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:10 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA18247; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18209 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18204 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130KJP-0004vv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:38:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:31 GMT From: Simon Allaway Message-ID: <393FEF00.49DB85DC@fspdc.uchicago.edu> Organization: The University of Chicago Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I have a test machine that's using a reasonably old Matrox Millenium video card. I can see fromvgadb that the MGA chipset is supported, but using version 2164W. The card I have has 2064W stamped on it. So, I tried editing vgadb: ctlr 0xC002D="MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.2 )" # Millennium 0xC002D="MATROX/MISTRAL VGA/VBE BIOS (V1." # Millennium II link=vga ctlr=mga2064w linear=1 hwgc=mga2064whwgc This cause aux/vga to hang. The result of aux/vga -pv : aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 7B 22 72 03 C0 04 00 19 2E 3E 3A 19 U.@.{"r......>:. 0xC0010 44 19 FF FF 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 20 49 42 D.......`.... IB 0xC0020 4D 20 43 4F 4D 50 41 54 49 42 4C 45 20 4D 41 54 M COMPATIBLE MAT 0xC0030 52 4F 58 2F 4D 49 4C 4C 45 4E 4E 49 55 4D 20 20 ROX/MILLENNIUM 0xC0040 56 47 41 2F 56 42 45 20 42 49 4F 53 20 28 56 32 VGA/VBE BIOS (V2 0xC0050 2E 32 20 29 00 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 90 .2 )............ 0xC0060 50 43 49 52 2B 10 19 05 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 PCIR+........... 0xC0070 40 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 38 33 38 2D 31 32 00 FF @.......838-12.. 0xC0080 E8 0D 61 8B D8 E8 9E 61 74 22 8C C8 3D 00 C0 74 ...a....at"..=..t 0xC0090 1B B0 04 2E A2 02 00 33 C0 33 F6 B9 FF 07 2E 02 ........3.3...... 0xC00A0 04 46 E2 FA F6 D8 2E 88 04 33 C0 CB 55 33 C0 8E ..F.......3..U3.. 0xC00B0 D8 8E C0 E8 6D 63 E8 2D 67 53 B0 40 E8 2B 00 5B .....mc.-gS.@.+.[ 0xC00C0 E8 B1 67 FC BA D4 03 E8 17 33 B8 00 A0 8E C0 BF ...g......3...... 0xC00D0 00 20 B9 00 C0 33 C0 F3 AA 8E C0 E8 09 33 B8 03 . ....3.......3.. 0xC00E0 00 CD 10 E8 4C 02 5D 33 C0 CB FA C7 06 08 01 65 .....L.]3.......e 0xC00F0 F0 C7 06 0A 01 00 F0 C7 06 40 00 60 19 8C 0E 42 ..........@.`...B Have I missed something obvious? Thanks in advance. Simon --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 10:52:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25519 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:52:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (vugluskr@unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25510 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 10:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18301; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:52:42 +0400 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:52:42 +0400 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: simona@fspdc.uchicago.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Message-ID: <20000609185242.A18292@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> References: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Fri, Jun 09, 2000 at 10:15:12AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > Someone else just got a Millennium 2064W And what about Millennium G400 ? Any chances ? Thanks, Roman. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:09:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26035 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:09:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26025 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091509.LAA26025@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:09:26 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu And what about Millennium G400 ? Any chances ? Not without some work, unfortunately. I tried to bring up a Millennium G200 a couple days ago with no luck. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:17:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26339 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26332 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27309 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:16:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006091516.LAA27309@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 3rd edition vga woes.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Finally was able to download the archive. The boot disk was made for Monitor: Generic Multisync 65Mhz at 640x480x8 (the lowest denominator). The system boots but fails on vga. Also tried 75Mhz version. Results: 1. CL-GD5440 based, not in vgadb, adding the line (0xC0039="CL-GD5440 VGA BIOS VERSION 1.06") makes it hang after dossrv: serving #s/dos 2. S3 Trio64 based not in vgadb, adding the line (0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced BIOS. PCI Version 1.1) makes it hang after dossrv: serrving #s/dos (worked nicely with older edition!!). 3. 9FX 330 based (not in vgadb) 4. 9FX 331 hangs after dossrv: serving #s/dos 5. Matrox Power Graphics (ML2P/4N) MGA chip based screen goes blank and stays that way. Any pointers? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:18:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26449 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:18:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26441 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:18:08 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Because of the need to agree to the licensing and export controls, its not available on an ftp side. Wget(linux) and GetRight(windows) both seem able to get the thing incrementally, especially since I fixed my bug. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:44:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27455 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27450 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006091543.LAA27450@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:43:54 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 and TNT videochips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu TNT is not supported at the moment, sorry. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 11:58:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27941 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:58:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27931 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006091558.LAA27931@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:58:47 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Fco. J. Ballesteros wrote: Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron 7k. BTW, anyone with a Lucent wavelan driver? If none, I'm willing to write one myself. But would prefer to reuse :-) thanks for the feedback. there was a driver for the old wavelan cards which we didn't include as we were unsure if we were allowed to release it. there's a summer student just started on writing a driver for the new 802.11 cards, but a parallel effort on your part wouldn't be a bad thing. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:12:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28399 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:12:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from wombat.educ.indiana.edu (root@wombat.educ.indiana.edu [129.79.219.48]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28395 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bdwheele@localhost) by wombat.educ.indiana.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05946; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:19:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:19:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200006091619.LAA05946@wombat.educ.indiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 References: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu> From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In article <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu>, rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com (Russ Cox) writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Someone else just got a Millennium 2064W > going in 640x480x8 mode by first downloading > a flash BIOS upgrade from Matrox and then > using 0xC001E="IBM COMPATIBLE MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE" > in their vgadb. > > You might try that. > > Russ Maybe this is a dumb question...I editted the floppy vgadb file (I had the Matrox Millenium 2.3 version instead of 2.5) and when plan9 comes up from the hard disk, the vgadb on the disk doesn't have my changes and aux/vga fails... Did I miss something very obvious? I'm pretty new to plan9... Brian Wheeler bdwheele@indiana.edu > > --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:11 EDT 2000 > Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Fri Jun 9 05:05:10 EDT 2000 > Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) > by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA18247; > Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:06 -0400 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA18209 > for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:46:00 -0400 (EDT) > X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f > Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) > by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA18204 > for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 04:45:55 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) > id 130KJP-0004vv-00 > for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 09 Jun 2000 09:38:43 +0100 > Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews > for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:38:31 GMT > From: Simon Allaway > Message-ID: <393FEF00.49DB85DC@fspdc.uchicago.edu> > Organization: The University of Chicago > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities > Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu > Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Precedence: bulk > > I have a test machine that's using a reasonably old Matrox Millenium > video card. I can see fromvgadb that the MGA chipset is supported, but > using version 2164W. The card I have has 2064W stamped on it. > > So, I tried editing vgadb: > > ctlr > 0xC002D="MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.2 )" # > Millennium > 0xC002D="MATROX/MISTRAL VGA/VBE BIOS (V1." # > Millennium II > link=vga > ctlr=mga2064w linear=1 > hwgc=mga2064whwgc > > This cause aux/vga to hang. > > The result of aux/vga -pv : > > aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb > 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 7B 22 72 03 C0 04 00 19 2E 3E 3A 19 > U.@.{"r......>:. > 0xC0010 44 19 FF FF 00 00 00 00 60 00 00 00 00 20 49 42 D.......`.... > IB > 0xC0020 4D 20 43 4F 4D 50 41 54 49 42 4C 45 20 4D 41 54 M COMPATIBLE > MAT > 0xC0030 52 4F 58 2F 4D 49 4C 4C 45 4E 4E 49 55 4D 20 20 ROX/MILLENNIUM > 0xC0040 56 47 41 2F 56 42 45 20 42 49 4F 53 20 28 56 32 VGA/VBE BIOS > (V2 > 0xC0050 2E 32 20 29 00 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 87 DB 90 .2 > )............ > 0xC0060 50 43 49 52 2B 10 19 05 00 00 18 00 00 00 00 03 > PCIR+........... > 0xC0070 40 00 00 00 00 80 00 00 38 33 38 2D 31 32 00 FF > @.......838-12.. > 0xC0080 E8 0D 61 8B D8 E8 9E 61 74 22 8C C8 3D 00 C0 74 > ...a....at"..=..t > 0xC0090 1B B0 04 2E A2 02 00 33 C0 33 F6 B9 FF 07 2E 02 > ........3.3...... > 0xC00A0 04 46 E2 FA F6 D8 2E 88 04 33 C0 CB 55 33 C0 8E > ..F.......3..U3.. > 0xC00B0 D8 8E C0 E8 6D 63 E8 2D 67 53 B0 40 E8 2B 00 5B > .....mc.-gS.@.+.[ > 0xC00C0 E8 B1 67 FC BA D4 03 E8 17 33 B8 00 A0 8E C0 BF > ...g......3...... > 0xC00D0 00 20 B9 00 C0 33 C0 F3 AA 8E C0 E8 09 33 B8 03 . > ....3.......3.. > 0xC00E0 00 CD 10 E8 4C 02 5D 33 C0 CB FA C7 06 08 01 65 > .....L.]3.......e > 0xC00F0 F0 C7 06 0A 01 00 F0 C7 06 40 00 60 19 8C 0E 42 > ..........@.`...B > > Have I missed something obvious? > > Thanks in advance. > > Simon > --upas-hwhpkkwubdqxidhpdpnsohvvza-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:46:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29264 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29255 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA14505 Message-Id: <200006091646.MAA14505@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> To: bdwheele@wombat.educ.indiana.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:42:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu That's a good point. Currently, if you edit vgadb to get yourself booted, you'll have to copy it over from the floppy yourself once you're installed. After booting the installation and rio fails, put the floppy back and type a: disk/kfscmd allow cp /n/a:/vgadb /lib/vgadb disk/kfscmd disallow disk/kfscmd halt and then reboot the system. Rebooting isn't strictly necessary (you run run the rest of /rc/bin/termrc by hand) but it's the surest way to test that it will work the next time. We'll try to have the install program do that automatically sometime soon. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:48:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29395 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:48:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29381 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sah@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA02545 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hopkins Message-Id: <200006091642.MAA02545@new.borf.com> Subject: [9fans] :Plan9 networked installation Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Heya, I'm having a spot of trouble installing plan9 as a fileserver and/or cpu server. How do I change a standalone box to a server?? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 12:50:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29542 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from grillo.net (adsl-216-103-84-67.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.84.67]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA29536 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from grio@localhost) by grillo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA88763; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grio) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Grillo Message-Id: <200006091649.JAA88763@grillo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Versions: autoreply 1.8/makemail 2.9b Subject: Re: [9fans] :Plan9 networked installation Versions: autoreply v1.8 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sam, I am on vacation, and will be reading email infrequently. 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If you need to contact me: before June 12: cell phone 650-224-7647 after June 12: http://sunrentals.an/HT-P-SMARTpage.html, call rental office at bottom of page --Dan From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 13:14:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00441 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00430 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id NAA27642; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091714.NAA27642@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] :Plan9 networked installation From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 13:11:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The installation procedure creates a terminal. To bring a system up as a standalone cpu server, you can just change the kernel it boots (type 9fat:, copy /386/9pccpudisk to /n/9fat, and then edit /n/9fat/plan9.ini to name 9pccpudisk). Bringing up a file server is a bit more work and currently must be done by hand. You'd have to bring it up with a boot floppy and then initialize the file system via the network and the file server "allow" command. Read update(8) and wrap(8) for info on making a boot disk and then extracting the plan9.9gz onto the file server. The command used in the install is wrap/inst -ovr /n/kfs plan9.9gz You'd of course want to name your file server rather than /n/kfs. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 15:00:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03725 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:00:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from small-gods.mit.edu (SMALL-GODS.MIT.EDU [18.177.0.248]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA03721 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ghudson@localhost) by small-gods.mit.edu (8.9.3) id PAA24772; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091900.PAA24772@small-gods.mit.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:39:17 GMT." Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 15:00:03 -0400 From: Greg Hudson Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Heartfelt congratulations to the Plan-9 team for getting this out, > just the way the world wanted (open source). The world which wants open source can be a bunch of ungrateful bastards, and in this case I'm one of them. There are two things I, and I suspect others, consider unacceptable about the new Plan 9 license: * Lucent has the right to come in and demand full non-exclusive rights to any derivatives of Plan 9 which you make and use--even if you don't distribute them. * You can't sue any contributor to the version of Plan 9 you use, for any intellectual property reason whatsoever, without destroying your copies of that version of Plan 9. (I don't know how enforceable this clause is.) Maybe some people think these things are okay, but from my point of view, this is on the level of the APSL: technically open source, but with a few poisonous clauses which will probably prevent it from generating real interest. And it's certainly not compatible with the GPL. These aren't issues of personal gain, incidentally. I don't think I would ever write a derivative of a work of free software and intentionally keep it to myself, and I don't think I would ever sue someone for intellectual property reasons. But I think truly free software shouldn't require people to give up these rights. My apologies for raining on the parade. And my deep apologizes if I have misread the license and spread misinformation as a result. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 15:36:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA04961 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA04956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA04525; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006091936.PAA04525@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 NAT network firewall on a 386? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 15:33:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A 386 at 25 MHz and 4MB should run okay as long as you don't want to use graphics. The answer is yes, you could do it, but you'd have to make yourself a stripped down kernel (toss the vga drivers, toss the graphics library, maybe toss SSL) to have a comfortable amount of user memory in which to play. I would suggest bringing the system up on a more powerful machine to get acquainted and have a good development environment. No IP masquerading firewall exists for Plan 9, but it would, I believe, not be too hard to get such a thing working. It would be much more straightforward than is the case in, say, Linux, due to the architecture of the IP stack and the ability to have multiple completely separate stacks. If you chose to write such a thing, I'd be happy to give you pointers. I'd love to replace a Linux firewall I run with such a setup. As far as I know no IRC software has been ported, but I suspect it's only a matter of time. The disk space (170MB) is plenty for what you want, but you'd have to pick and choose pieces of the distribution (i.e. you'd probably toss the fonts and ghostscript and perhaps most of the sources). I've set up minimal but very usable Plan 9 laptops in under 50MB. An even more interesting way to set things up would be to have a file server or a cpu/file server on your inside network and have the Plan 9 firewall machine boot completely off the internal network (that is, have no local state on its disk other than the boot loader). Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 17:47:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA07979 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:47:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA07975 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006092147.RAA07975@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 17:47:22 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hudson brings up a good point. You should read the license before you agree to it. Our intent is to get back improvements to the code, put them in the code base, and to keep the code base plus modifications freely available. That may or may not match the wording in the license but its what we're going to do. Products like new device drivers, programs, file systems, etc. that just call the kernel and library functions and don't include Lucent code, are not modifications. They're just additions that noone has to share if they don't want to. However, fixing current stuff, reworking chan.c, etc. are modifications and we'ld like them back to include in the code base. As for the clause on losing rights if you sue another contributor, that seemed a little spacey to me too. I'ld like to get a clarification from the lawyers on how broad 'any' is defined to be in (ii) below: The licenses and rights granted under this Agreement shall terminate automatically if (i) You fail to comply with all of the terms and conditions herein; or (ii) You initiate or participate in any intellectual property action against Original Contributor and/or another Contributor. We'ld be happy to hear about other problems people have with the license. I don't expect that it'll change the license any but perhaps we can get clarification from the lawyers. At the very least you shouldn't be buying a pig in a polk. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 19:54:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09880 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:54:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (root@mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09875 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from monoid (mail@130-149-145-205.dialup.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.145.205]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24886; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:50:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zhurui by monoid with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 130YTn-00008L-00; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:46:23 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] install problem in the stage of running `aux/vga'. From: Rui Zhu X-Weird-Check: On Date: 10 Jun 2000 01:46:18 +0200 Message-ID: <877lbys9it.fsf@iname.com> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu --=-=-= I've just downloaded the new plan9 and tried my first installation, but no luck. I have no experience of plan9 and no clue why that error happend. Maybe someone who has more experience can help me out. 1. The custom plan9.ini got download had a entry `monitor=xvga' (I'd chose general tube capable at 1024x768), which caused `aux/vga' to complain something like `aux/vga: main: xvga@... not in /lib/vgadb'. I wonder how this inconsistancy happened. 2. After I modified the plan9.ini on boot disk, `aux/vga' complained ` not enough free address space'. Below is my configuration: --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=auxvga.error Content-Description: output of `aux/vga -Vl 640x480x8' main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init mach64xx->init rom table offset F4 freq table offset 712 memclk 9600 memclk 9600... x 30.506455...t 30... xprec 5...fifosz 976.206554...fprec 10...prec 5...afifosz 32...fifooff 944.000000...pfc 7...rcc 9...fifoon 60.000000... main->load +vgactlw type mach64xx -vgactlw type mach64xx +vgactlw linear 0x800000 0x1000000 sequencer->enter on sequencer->leave on main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init mach64xx->init rom table offset F4 freq table offset 712 memclk 9600 memclk 9600... x 30.506455...t 30... xprec 5...fifosz 976.206554...fprec 10...prec 5...afifosz 32...fifooff 944.000000...pfc 7...rcc 9...fifoon 60.000000... main->load +vgactlw type mach64xx -vgactlw type mach64xx +vgactlw linear 0x800000 0x1000000 sequencer->enter on sequencer->leave on vgactlw: : not enough free address space --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=plan9.ini Content-Description: plan9.ini *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 monitor=multisync vgasize=640x480x8 mouseport=ps2 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960456967.v85ckj7kax24wmwk9giavqba9zcvks6v debug=1 --=-=-= Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=vgainfo.txt Content-Description: vgainfo.txt vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64GP mach64xx pci 2d120 regtable pciregs io 7400 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F005F mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 00010055 mach64xx VTotalDisp 018F01BF mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 000E019C mach64xx VlineCrntVline 00DF03FF mach64xx OffPitch 0A000000 mach64xx IntCntl 80000014 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 02410200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 FFFFFF00 mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04900400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00AD0000 mach64xx BusCntl 73330000 mach64xx MemCntl 10651A77 mach64xx ExtMemCntl 65000C01 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF0040 mach64xx DacCntl 8701200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000008 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00000182 mach64xx ConfigChipId 7C004750 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00800015 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 00000000 mach64xx DspOnOff 00000000 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000000 mach64xx LcdData 00000000 mach64xx PLL AD D5 1F 64 D0 03 FF DA - F5 00 00 C1 A6 1B 00 00 00 00 80 00 10 A2 CC 10 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 mach64xx VCLK0 25172284 mach64xx VCLK1 28289952 mach64xx VCLK2 0 mach64xx VCLK3 0 mach64xx pixel clock = 25170000 dbdumpmode type=multisync, size=640x480x8 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=8 (0x8) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 50 601EB1EC A3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 25175000 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 31 vga clock[0] n p q r 218 8 - 0 0 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64GP mach64xx flag Ulinear|Uenhanced|Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf mach64xx pci 2d120 regtable pciregs io 7400 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F0063 mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 000C0052 mach64xx VTotalDisp 01DF020C mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 000201EA mach64xx VlineCrntVline 00DF03FF mach64xx OffPitch 14000000 mach64xx IntCntl 00000000 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 03010200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 FFFFFF00 mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04900400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00000002 mach64xx BusCntl 73330000 mach64xx MemCntl 10651A77 mach64xx ExtMemCntl 65000C01 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF0040 mach64xx DacCntl 8701200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000008 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigChipId 7C004750 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00800015 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 005A07A0 mach64xx DspOnOff 00780760 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth 00020202 mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000000 mach64xx LcdData 00000000 mach64xx PLL AD D5 1F 64 D0 03 FF DA - F5 DA 00 81 A6 1B 00 00 00 00 80 00 10 A2 CC 10 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 mach64xx VCLK0 25172284 mach64xx VCLK1 28289952 mach64xx VCLK2 25172284 mach64xx VCLK3 0 mach64xx pixel clock = 25170000 --=-=-=-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 21:23:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA11684 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11679 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006100123.VAA11679@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 21:23:27 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is not the forum for a detailed legal exegesis, but Mr. Hudson's thoughtful comments deserve a response. Legal terminology is not the best medium for subtlety, so I've asked our lawyers for clarification. The intent of this clause: You agree to provide the Original Contributor, at its request, with a copy of the complete Source Code version, Object Code version and related documentation for Modifications created or contributed to by You if used for any purpose. is very simple: we've given you something for free, and if you turn around and make products from it, we should have permission to see what you've done. Share and share alike. The idea is primarily to prevent people from making stuff from Plan 9 and then making it available to others but excluding us. It's certainly not to grab your secret stuff; quite the opposite: it's to make sure we get equal access to your public stuff, in the spirit of the original Plan 9 distribution. The 'legal action' clause for similar reasons perhaps reads more nastily than its intent. It could probably be clearer, but its intent is simple: to protect you from suing people about Plan 9 when they've given it to you for free in the first place. > And my deep apologizes if I > have misread the license and spread misinformation as a result. 'Misread' is too strong, but I do believe you're reading too hard. The idea was and is an honest open source agreement, and I think the license is a workable one for everyone. Speaking for the Bell Labs people, I can say we're very happy to have our stuff out for people to play with. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 22:28:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13002 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:28:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skip ([172.21.100.93]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA09363 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000609193700.01b4ce70@mail.prognet.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.prognet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:37:00 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Fariborz (Skip) Tavakkolian" Subject: [9fans] A big thanks and some random questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks to everyone involved with the Plan 9 release; Thanks for sharing all your wonderful work. I was playing with mapdemo. It seems that the /lib/map directory is missing. I assume this is due to copyright issues, and I have get it from somewhere else? Also, there does not seem to be any sign of mothra or charon. Is there an HTML layout filter that I can use with uget? Any thoughts about what the right way of doing it would be, to use inside acme? P.S. The new installation process is very nice. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 9 22:45:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13678 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:45:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA13671 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from skip ([172.21.100.93]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA11675 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000609195341.01b3a960@mail.prognet.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.prognet.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:53:41 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Fariborz (Skip) Tavakkolian" Subject: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? 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In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000609195341.01b3a960@mail.prognet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Fariborz (Skip) Tavakkolian wrote: > Like T-shirts? > And stickers... ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Gwyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without floppy References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nicholas Waples wrote: > Is it at all possible to install without a floppy? (from another fat > partition, changing boot/root options, etc) ... I have an LS-120. It is possible to adapt the original floppy disk procedure to another medium, and I would tell you how except apparently I don't have to, because the download Web site now asks you what sort of boot medium. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 01:35:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17507 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:35:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17502 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006100535.BAA17502@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A big thanks and some random questions From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:35:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu To make the download more manageable, we left out some of the publicly available databases that struck us as being of low value for their size. /lib/map is one example; the files come from U.S. Government data so there's no copyright issue, but it's a huge pile of stuff that most people don't use so we left it out. The web browser story is different. If there exists a production-quality browser available in source form, including all important plug-ins, someone could make it run under Plan 9. However, as you hint, such a program would not really use the system to its fullest; other options may be worth pursuing. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 01:39:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA17624 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:39:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17618 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006100539.BAA17618@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:39:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We're having T-shirts made using the official logo. Perhaps they could serve as useful inducement or reward for significant contributions to the Plan 9 cause. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 04:51:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA19725 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:51:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA19721 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-222-2.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.222.2]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01367 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29500 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200006100850.EAA29500@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Getting Started: Matrox Video, SSH, SPARC Port? Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:50:49 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Thanks to everyone involved in making the recent release a reality! After learning about SPIN and Plan9 at the University of Oregon from Mike Haertel in 1991 (who I recall had recently interned at the Labs), I've been waiting for almost a decade. Now for my first problem report: I'm trying to get Plan9 v3 up and running on the Internet on an Intel Pentium 233 MMX with 128 MB of RAM and IDE. I've got two "minor" issues. 1. My video card's cursor runs downward like the space ship in "Astroids" at full speed, apparently wrapping. It's a Matrox Millennium with 4MB. (Please see the vgainfo.txt attached below.) My serial mouse is working just fine, albeit without much visual feedback about where it is on the vertical axis. 2. aux/sshserve just prints its name ("SSH 1.5 PLAN9" I think) and quits. Since I don't have passwords on accounts or other things fully set up as described in the "Getting Started" document, I can understand why this might fail. But I just wanted to do the "minimum" required just to experiment before doing a full reinstall. (I did follow the instructions for setting up keyfiles in /sys/lib/ssh, but I doubt they're correct.) In any case, I can tell it's time to revisit the documentation. Finally, I had been amassing a small squadron of old SPARC systems (a couple of IPCs, an SS2, and an SS1) with plans to set up a cozy little "9net" in the machine room. I should have been more attentive, because I see now that SPARC isn't yet supported with a v3 kernel. Are there plans? Can I help test/debug? Thank you, Stephen Wynne Research Support Facilities School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University ----------------- plan9.ini ----------------- *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 scsi0=type=ncr53c8xx # Note: this is a bit different now, and I have it working (DHCP is doing OK!) ether0=type=3C589 media=10BaseT monitor=multisync75 vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=1 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960498113.2hf2wt96b297zmw2h9juq7t9ukygbccd ----------------- vgainfo.txt ----------------- main->snarf vga->snarf mga2164w->snarf x[0]=1 x[1]=2 x[2]=255 x[3]=255 probe found 4 megabytes vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 60 4F 50 83 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0E 0F 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C0100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK BF 3F 32 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C0100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK BF 3F 32 vmf 0 vmdf 75000000 vf1 0 vbw 75000000 mga2164w->options vga->init mga2164w->init pixbuswidth=64 dbdumpmode type=multisync75, size=1024x768x8 frequency=75000000 x=1024 (0x400), y=768 (0x300), z=8 (0x8) ht=1328 (0x530), shb=1096 (0x448), ehb=1232 (0x4D0) shs=1072 (0x430), ehs=1232 (0x4D0) vt=806 (0x326), vrs=771 (0x303), vre=777 (0x309) hsync=45, vsync=45, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc EB vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt A1 7F 7F 85 86 9A324 FD - 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 303 292FF 40 00303304 E3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 75000000 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 48 vga clock[0] n p q r 52 1 - 0 0 vga clock[1] f 74895095 vga clock[1] d i m 0 0 - 61 vga clock[1] n p q r 33 3 - 0 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w flag Ulinear|Fdump|Finit|Foptions|Fsnarf mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C1100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK E1 3D F3 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc flag Fdump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C1100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK E1 3D F3 main->exits From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 05:18:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20180 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:18:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20176 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA18080 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:18:03 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:18:02 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 License Message-ID: <20000610111801.S3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu One question has just struck me. Presumably version 2 by defaults remains under the license it was released with. Is it preposterous to expect the new terms to be appled retroactively to those of us who have access to it? If necessary by signing a new agreement with Lucent? ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 05:48:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20557 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:48:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20553 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130hYw-0000lE-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:28:18 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:08:03 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006100850.EAA29500@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: [9fans] Getting Started: Matrox Video, SSH, SPARC Port? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Thanks to everyone involved in making the recent release a reality! After learning about SPIN and Plan9 at the University of Oregon from Mike Haertel in 1991 (who I recall had recently interned at the Labs), I've been waiting for almost a decade. Now for my first problem report: I'm trying to get Plan9 v3 up and running on the Internet on an Intel Pentium 233 MMX with 128 MB of RAM and IDE. I've got two "minor" issues. 1. My video card's cursor runs downward like the space ship in "Astroids" at full speed, apparently wrapping. It's a Matrox Millennium with 4MB. (Please see the vgainfo.txt attached below.) My serial mouse is working just fine, albeit without much visual feedback about where it is on the vertical axis. 2. aux/sshserve just prints its name ("SSH 1.5 PLAN9" I think) and quits. Since I don't have passwords on accounts or other things fully set up as described in the "Getting Started" document, I can understand why this might fail. But I just wanted to do the "minimum" required just to experiment before doing a full reinstall. (I did follow the instructions for setting up keyfiles in /sys/lib/ssh, but I doubt they're correct.) In any case, I can tell it's time to revisit the documentation. Finally, I had been amassing a small squadron of old SPARC systems (a couple of IPCs, an SS2, and an SS1) with plans to set up a cozy little "9net" in the machine room. I should have been more attentive, because I see now that SPARC isn't yet supported with a v3 kernel. Are there plans? Can I help test/debug? Thank you, Stephen Wynne Research Support Facilities School of Computer Science Carnegie Mellon University ----------------- plan9.ini ----------------- *nomp=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 scsi0=type=ncr53c8xx # Note: this is a bit different now, and I have it working (DHCP is doing OK!) ether0=type=3C589 media=10BaseT monitor=multisync75 vgasize=1024x768x8 mouseport=1 audio0=type=sb16 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960498113.2hf2wt96b297zmw2h9juq7t9ukygbccd ----------------- vgainfo.txt ----------------- main->snarf vga->snarf mga2164w->snarf x[0]=1 x[1]=2 x[2]=255 x[3]=255 probe found 4 megabytes vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 60 4F 50 83 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0E 0F 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C0100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK BF 3F 32 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C0100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 00 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 14 FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 18 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK EC 2B 31 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK BF 3F 32 vmf 0 vmdf 75000000 vf1 0 vbw 75000000 mga2164w->options vga->init mga2164w->init pixbuswidth=64 dbdumpmode type=multisync75, size=1024x768x8 frequency=75000000 x=1024 (0x400), y=768 (0x300), z=8 (0x8) ht=1328 (0x530), shb=1096 (0x448), ehb=1232 (0x4D0) shs=1072 (0x430), ehs=1232 (0x4D0) vt=806 (0x326), vrs=771 (0x303), vre=777 (0x309) hsync=45, vsync=45, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc EB vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt A1 7F 7F 85 86 9A324 FD - 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 303 292FF 40 00303304 E3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 75000000 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 48 vga clock[0] n p q r 52 1 - 0 0 vga clock[1] f 74895095 vga clock[1] d i m 0 0 - 61 vga clock[1] n p q r 33 3 - 0 0 vga vmz 4194304 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC002D=MATROX/MILLENNIUM VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5 ) mga2164w->dump mga2164w flag Ulinear|Fdump|Finit|Foptions|Fsnarf mga2164w Devctrl 2800083 mga2164w Option 5F2C1100 mga2164w Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164w TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164w PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164w MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164w LCLK E1 3D F3 mga2164whwgc->dump mga2164whwgc flag Fdump mga2164whwgc Devctrl2800083 mga2164whwgc Option 5F2C1100 mga2164whwgc Crtcext 00 00 00 80 00 00 mga2164whwgc TVP 00 40 40 40 40 40 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 06 - 80 4C 25 00 00 03 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 1E FF 77 77 7F FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - 00 38 00 FF 00 00 00 26 mga2164whwgc PCLK F4 30 B1 mga2164whwgc MCLK EC 2B B1 mga2164whwgc LCLK E1 3D F3 main->exits From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 05:49:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA20663 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:49:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA20659 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130hn5-0001QL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:42:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:38:06 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000610111801.S3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 License Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu One question has just struck me. Presumably version 2 by defaults remains under the license it was released with. Is it preposterous to expect the new terms to be appled retroactively to those of us who have access to it? If necessary by signing a new agreement with Lucent? ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 08:29:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22438 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:29:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pefletti.saunalahti.fi (root@mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.53]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22434 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (DXXXII.tdyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.80.32]) by pefletti.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25029 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:28:45 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default> From: "Anssi Porttikivi" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Vs: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:30:24 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I can't help bragging about the fact that I once received a nice free package of Inferno promotion stuff from Lucent, including a T-shirt and a latte mug, for "being such an ardent fan". I have to start working for a similar Plan 9 status. ;-) Of course I was a fan even before Inferno. BTW, other outspoken influental Plan 9 fans in the past have been John Carmack and Linus Torvalds. Expect praise from them... And you know, Microsoft was an "Inferno beta tester", and Mr. Gates did mention Inferno in his congress speech, as a competitor... Another prediction: Plan 9 will soon run on all gaming platforms and will be the universal solution to multi-platform game development and game networking...well, what the heck, Plan 9 will be the universal solution to all computing. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 08:36:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22626 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:36:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA22621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id OAA18342 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:36:10 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:36:09 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Vs: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? Message-ID: <20000610143608.T3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default>; from Anssi Porttikivi on Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:24PM +0300 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:24PM +0300, Anssi Porttikivi wrote: > > Another prediction: Plan 9 will soon run on all gaming platforms and will be > the universal solution to multi-platform game development and game > networking...well, what the heck, Plan 9 will be the universal solution to > all computing. >From flattery to sycophanty (sp?). Trying real hard to earn your Team-Plan-9 tee-shirt? :-) :-) :-) ++L PS: Ain't looked at V3 yet, but if it's better than V2, you may just be right. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 08:49:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA22857 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA22853 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101249.IAA22853@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 License From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:49:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu One question has just struck me. Presumably version 2 by defaults remains under the license it was released with. Is it preposterous to expect the new terms to be appled retroactively to those of us who have access to it? There are a number of elements of the 1995 release that were provided only under the terms of that release. For example, the sources for the NeXTstation were made available, after much negotiation, provided that we were producing a limited number of CDs for strictly non-commercial distribution. A number of things, including the NeXTstation sources, are not available in the third release because the required permission could not be obtained to make them available under an open source license. Another example is the RNGC2000.0 database. In other words, the new license does not apply to the version 2, 1995 release of Plan 9. The open source license is not retroactive. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 09:16:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23191 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:16:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23186 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 130l0k-0003Im-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:09:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:48:16 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000610143608.T3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <00bf01bfd2d7$a7d7c2c0$2050c5c3@default> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: Vs: [9fans] Is this a good time to discuss Plan 9 accessories? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:24PM +0300, Anssi Porttikivi wrote: > > Another prediction: Plan 9 will soon run on all gaming platforms and will be > the universal solution to multi-platform game development and game > networking...well, what the heck, Plan 9 will be the universal solution to > all computing. >From flattery to sycophanty (sp?). Trying real hard to earn your Team-Plan-9 tee-shirt? :-) :-) :-) ++L PS: Ain't looked at V3 yet, but if it's better than V2, you may just be right. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 11:13:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24670 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from barb.worldchat.com (root@barb.wchat.on.ca [204.138.239.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:13:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from worldchat.com (asv90-2-p17.wchat.on.ca [205.210.137.79]) by barb.worldchat.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA05755 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:13:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39424CD2.666B9A12@worldchat.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:12:34 -0400 From: Milan Zimmermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Installation: A new ATI mach64 vgadb entry, video trouble Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I have tried to install Plan9 on 3 PCs, 2 of the installs had different problems with video chipset (both different versions of ATI Mach 64), one PC did not boot ("incorrect boot syntax" - after showing some scribbly characters first) The 2 video cards observations: 1. I got one of the ATI Mach 64's finally working, I ran "DOS debug" and found the following MACH64 setting 0xC00E9="MACH64VTPCIU" # my Mach 64 on AMD system When I add it to "vgadb", the install works(at least as far as switching to "rio" Should stuff like this be send to 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com so they can add it to the distribution? 2. My other (newer) Mach 64 is recognized as "MACH64CTPCIU", but when trying to start the vga, I get a message: aux/vga: mach64xx: no linear aperture aux/vga:.... and later: rio:54:suicide:trap:failure read addr=0x18 pc=0x00011e7e I tried to play with the linear= setting in the vgadb, but no luck.... Milan From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 11:20:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24861 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24852 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101520.LAA24852@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:19:47 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Getting Started: Matrox Video, SSH, SPARC Port? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu aux/sshserve talks to the network and is started by listen; to start an ssh server you need to run (as the hostowner on the cpuserver (or terminal I suppose)) aux/listen -t /rc/bin/service.auth tcp Note that running an SSH server requires you to have an authentication server set up: the Plan 9 ssh server only authenticates via challenge/response (TIS authentication, in the SSH jargon). Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 13:55:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26539 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA26533 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25444 invoked by uid 991); 10 Jun 2000 17:54:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000610175456.25442.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:54:56 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A few more first impressions: The other day I said something about not being able to assign an irq. The actual error message was: i8259enable: irq 7 shared but not level intrenable: couldn't enable irq 7, tbdf 0xffffffff for lpt According to '#P/irqalloc', irq 7 is assigned to mathemu. I also had my first crash. I echo-ed "kill" to the control file of a process '#IOtcpack". Instant reboot. My cdrom is recognized (cat sdD0/ctl looks sensible), but the data file is all zeros. /dev/draw seems slower than /dev/bitblt. I wonder if the difference is from not doing runtime code generation. Plumbing is... interesting. I normally like to have several editors running, keeping different work in different contexts. The new system makes that difficult, because when one editor opens a file, the others want to open it too. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 14:22:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27005 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA27001 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id OAA18509; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101822.OAA18509@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:18:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu My cdrom is recognized (cat sdD0/ctl looks sensible), but the data file is all zeros. See if cdfs(4) is any better than the kernel. Every once in a while it is. /dev/draw seems slower than /dev/bitblt. I wonder if the difference is from not doing runtime code generation. Yes, that's much of it; the code already has many special checks to handle the common cases, but the general case is indeed slower than it ought to be. I have a runtime code generator started (and stopped, for the time being), but mostly as an experiment to see what might be gained. I expect that the problems in keeping the instruction and data caches up to date on non-x86 and non-Intel x86 chips will make it not practical, but maybe the win will be enormous. I don't know. Plumbing is... interesting. I normally like to have several editors running, keeping different work in different contexts. The new system makes that difficult, because when one editor opens a file, the others want to open it too. Run plumber in the window before starting the editor, and it will be in its own ``plumbing space'' if you will. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 14:23:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27094 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101822.OAA27083@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:22:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu /dev/draw seems slower than /dev/bitblt. I wonder if the difference is from not doing runtime code generation. Perhaps. Draw() is also a much more general operator, which causes it to be slower in the worst case. On the other hand, we (well, Russ) worked on getting draw() to talk to the graphics accelerator on some of the cards, and there are simple examples like catting /dev/words where the new system is *much* faster (factors of 10 or more) than even bitblt was. I hope folks will connect the code to the hardware on more graphics cards so the speedups will be more widely available. On the issue of run-time code generation, we abandoned it because it was too hard to write portable code to handle the synchronization of instruction and data caches. The problem is not processors so much as systems; the details of cache management in different architectures are often delegated to motherboard makers who choose widely varying ways to handle cache flushing and make it very hard for a portable program to divine what to do. If you're just on PCs, it's not so hard, but we use a lot of non-PC machines. Also, it's possible that the rise of JITs will help this situation, but if the VGA industry is anything to go by... Plumbing is... interesting. I normally like to have several editors running, keeping different work in different contexts. The new system makes that difficult, because when one editor opens a file, the others want to open it too. There was a long discussion about how and whether to handle fan-out in the plumber. What we did reflects our style of use. If it doesn't suit your needs, you have the source... Also of course it's mostly controlled by configuration files, so you might be able to try another arrangement just by using different plumbing rules. (The fan-out isn't explicit in the configuration, but I suppose on reflection it could be made to be.) I've also done tricks where I've rebound things to rearrange plumbing ports for temporary purposes; that might work well for you. Failing that, B is a shell script that could easily be adapted to use other information to direct the file to a port other than edit, or to add attributes that different editors could check. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 14:56:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA27650 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA27646 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:56:10 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006101856.OAA27646@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:56:08 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I also had my first crash. I echo-ed "kill" to the control file of a process '#IOtcpack". Instant reboot. You shouldn't be able to kill that process, I'll fix that. It's a kernel process that can leave bad pointers lying around if you terminate it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 15:25:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28169 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28165 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:40 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006101925.PAA28165@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:37 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >The other day I said something about not being able to >assign an irq. The actual error message was: > > i8259enable: irq 7 shared but not level > intrenable: couldn't enable irq 7, tbdf 0xffffffff for lpt > >According to '#P/irqalloc', irq 7 is assigned to mathemu. There's a misunderstanding in the numerology, IRQ 7 has a base vector added to it of (in this case) 32, so you should look in '#P/irqalloc' for something using vector 39 (the output actually shows you which IRQ maps to which vector, important in SMP machines). The reason for the message is that some other driver has registered as wanting to use that IRQ already and, as this is an 8259 PIC, you can't share interrupts unless the corresponding bit is set in the Edge/Level Control Register (ELCR) and apparently it isn't. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 15:54:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28626 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA28621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA19246; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006101954.PAA19246@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> Subject: [9fans] /dev/draw being slow From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:51:08 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu /dev/draw will get a bit faster on Mach64 and S3 ViRGE cards if you remove the lines # turn off hardware acceleration until you know it's ok. echo -n 'hwaccel off' >'#v/vgactl' >[2]/dev/null from your /rc/bin/termrc (or just comment out the second one). On the rare card our hardware acceleration code doesn't work (rectangle fills just don't happen, for instance), so it ships disabled. It makes a huge difference though. Pixel depths bigger than 8 bits aren't usable without it. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 10 21:52:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02195 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.67.42.232 (24.67.44.138.sk.wave.home.com [24.67.44.138]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02189 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (aam396@localhost) by 24.67.42.232 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00531 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:48:51 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from aam396@mail.usask.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: hairy: aam396 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 19:48:50 -0600 (CST) From: Andrey X-Sender: aam396@hairy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu So, I am having a bit of trouble with installing the distribution... Here is the brief: Using 2 hard drives: a 4 gig one containing FreeBSD and a 850 meg one dedicated to plan 9 (ugh... AMD k6/2-400... PC architecture).. I have downloaded several different floppies with configurations that may suit my monitor, and most of them have been siccesfull in booting, however they never go beyond 'boot from: fd0 sdC0' unless the machine has just been rebooted using the 'reset' button... I guess my second drive is not recognized by the bootloader... If the machine has been hot-booted with the reset button, the installation routine will start (in 1024x768 mode) and it will continue flawlessly until configuring the bootloader after all has been installed. Setting the boot to 'plan9' (which is the second disk) prints an error message that this disk can not be booted, and will not produce anything beyond 'non-system disk or disk error' on bootup. A boot floppy will not recognise sdC1 and if I put the HDD as the master one it will print the 'boot from:' and upon executing "fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition to read from (or something to that effect)... I have managed to install plan9 about 5 times so far (ugh :) but am still unable to boot it after a succesfull installation... Any comments will be appreciated... if you have the time :) Thanx: Andrey PS: sorry if it sounds confusing, I simply tried everything I could think of before writing this email and the information gathered is too complex to be laid out properly in an e-mail :) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 02:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05630 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05626 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user (eliot.prognet.com [208.147.89.91]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000610233500.0089fbd0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:35:00 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] Is there a w9fs (a la u9fs)? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is anyone working on u9fs for Windows? Are there alternatives for a setup where the plan9.9gz is stored on a windows machine? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 07:24:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08134 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:24:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from fe090.worldonline.dk (fe090.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.152]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA08130 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 664 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2000 11:24:13 -0000 Received: from 49.ppp1-18.worldonline.dk (HELO softhome.net) (212.54.77.177) by fe090.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 11:24:13 -0000 Message-ID: <39437804.6CDF756B@softhome.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:29:08 +0200 From: Guan Yang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9/2000 on VMware? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've tried installing Third Edition Plan 9 on VMware 2.0 on Linux. It won't recognize the VGA card. Is there something I am missing? -- The cable TV sex channels don't expand our horizons, don't make us better people, and don't come in clearly enough. -- Bill Maher From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 09:11:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09073 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:11:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from nwaples.btinternet.co.uk (host213-1-80-95.btinternet.com [213.1.80.95]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA09069 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1011 invoked by uid 1000); 11 Jun 2000 13:12:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 13:12:25 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:12:25 +0100 (BST) From: Nicholas Waples X-Sender: nickw@localhost To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9/2000 on VMware? In-Reply-To: <39437804.6CDF756B@softhome.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Guan Yang wrote: > I've tried installing Third Edition Plan 9 on VMware 2.0 on Linux. It > won't recognize the VGA card. Is there something I am missing? Nope. Unless its listed in http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/pchardware.html its not supported. And there isnt a video driver for vmware unfortunately. Seems plan9 now needs 8bpp so cant rely on standard vga modes. Would have been nice though as it would have gotten around my floppy install problem. Nick. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 12:14:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA10925 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:14:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10920 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00348; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006111614.JAA00348@ohio.river.org> From: Richard Uhtenwoldt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [LICENSE] distribution via ftp In-Reply-To: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu the new license says: 3.6 You must include all of the original copyright, labels or other notices on the Licensed Software on any copies of the Licensed Software which You make ... it would be nice if Lucent would clarify whether the HTML machinery on plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/download.html that induces downloaders to check a box and activate an "I agree" button before they can download is one of the "notices" that Licensees must include in any copies they "make". if so, then Plan 9 code cannot be distributed via anonymous ftp or the new napster/gnutella/freenet distribution methods. this question was sparked by the following answer by presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com: >Because of the need to agree to the licensing and export controls, its >not available on an ftp side. Wget(linux) and GetRight(windows) both seem >able to get the thing incrementally, especially since I fixed my bug. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 12:24:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11123 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11118 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA22144; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006111624.MAA22144@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is there a w9fs (a la u9fs)? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:20:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone working on u9fs for Windows? Are there alternatives for a setup where the plan9.9gz is stored on a windows machine? Run a simple web server on the Windows machine? Russ --upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Jun 11 02:50:44 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Sun Jun 11 02:50:43 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA05680; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:27 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA05630 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA05626 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 02:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user (eliot.prognet.com [208.147.89.91]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA02617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000610233500.0089fbd0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:35:00 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] Is there a w9fs (a la u9fs)? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Is anyone working on u9fs for Windows? Are there alternatives for a setup where the plan9.9gz is stored on a windows machine? --upas-nucdadzzbvbwtbmdnwvqbqhkls-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 13:27:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA11953 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:27:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11949 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006111727.NAA11949@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [LICENSE] distribution via ftp From: Eric Grosse X-URL: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ehg/ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:26:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Plan 9 code cannot be distributed via anonymous ftp Plan9 includes cryptographic software and therefore distribution is limited by US government export regulations. Eric From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 14:50:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13099 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA13095 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006111850.OAA13095@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Screen shot From: "rob pike" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:32 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Several people asked for one, so see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/screenshot.html From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 15:09:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13489 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27516 invoked by uid 991); 11 Jun 2000 19:09:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611190930.27514.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: Message from "Russ Cox" of "Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:18:38 EDT." <200006101822.OAA18509@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:09:30 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rsc: > See if cdfs(4) is any better than the kernel. > Every once in a while it is. One has to compile that from source; it's not installed in /bin in the distribution. But it does seem to work. Thanks for the pointer. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 15:12:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13620 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:12:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13615 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27543 invoked by uid 991); 11 Jun 2000 19:12:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000611191217.27541.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: Message from jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com of "Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:25:37 EDT." <200006101925.PAA28165@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:12:17 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu jmk: | There's a misunderstanding in the numerology, IRQ 7 has a base vector | added to it of (in this case) 32, so you should look in '#P/irqalloc' | for something using vector 39 (the output actually shows you which | IRQ maps to which vector, important in SMP machines). Ah, right. The actual collision was with sb16, documented as using irq7. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 16:01:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14361 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14356 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:01:00 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006112001.QAA14356@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:00:52 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There's now a pointer to updates and new full packages in http://plan9.plan9.com/plan9dist/ureg.html We've put a new (June 11) full package there that included things we fixed and things that were left out of the first package. The last package listed is always what you get by following the download pages. Use wrap/install, see wrap(8), to unpack the packages. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 16:05:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14517 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:05:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bromine.myriadgate.net (openbsd.myriadgate.net [139.142.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14513 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11549 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2000 20:02:49 -0000 Received: from xenon.myriadgate.net (HELO mail.usask.ca) (andrey@192.168.120.7) by bromine.myriadgate.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 20:02:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3943F069.755F9CD4@mail.usask.ca> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:02:49 -0600 From: Andrey Mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: References: <200006112001.QAA14356@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You mean: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Btw, is plan9.bell-labs.com going to be the official plan9 sit, or is there another domain planned? Andrey presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > There's now a pointer to updates and new full packages in > > http://plan9.plan9.com/plan9dist/ureg.html > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 16:26:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14893 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:26:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14889 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006112026.QAA14889@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:24:49 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Btw, is plan9.bell-labs.com going to be the official plan9 sit, ... We're still feeling our way through doing disributions etc. It may be a while before we've decided how to do this long term. Until thenm, we'll continue to assemble and redistribute changes. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 17:51:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15977 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA15973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000611212440.243.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Mon Jun 12 06:24:39 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, > however they never go beyond 'boot from: fd0 sdC0' ... >"fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition to read I experienced same problem and cleared the problem using "fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz" Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 18:26:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16460 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:26:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131Fs3-0001gL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:06:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:06:07 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000611212440.243.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans, > however they never go beyond 'boot from: fd0 sdC0' ... >"fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition to read I experienced same problem and cleared the problem using "fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz" Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 18:35:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16676 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16672 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:35:06 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000611220841.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Mon Jun 12 07:08:41 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] network card WD8003 Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello all, Congratulations on the new Plan9! I have installed the release but have yet something that does not work. My network card, SMC Elete Plus Combo, does not work. ether0=type=WD8003 port=0x280 mem=0xd0000 irq=10 size=16384 The kernel says: ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... The card works under Win98, Win2000, old Plan9. By the way, I cannot find /dev/klog. Manual says it should be there. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 19:01:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17130 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:01:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17125 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131Gh1-00029i-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:58:59 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:58:04 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000611220841.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] network card WD8003 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello all, Congratulations on the new Plan9! I have installed the release but have yet something that does not work. My network card, SMC Elete Plus Combo, does not work. ether0=type=WD8003 port=0x280 mem=0xd0000 irq=10 size=16384 The kernel says: ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... The card works under Win98, Win2000, old Plan9. By the way, I cannot find /dev/klog. Manual says it should be there. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 19:53:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17793 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17789 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006112353.TAA17789@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network card WD8003 From: "rob pike" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:53:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu By the way, I cannot find /dev/klog. Manual says it should be there. Manual is wrong. This was a vestige that was not caught when editing the manual. I've fixed the master copy of the manual. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 19:59:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17957 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:59:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA17953 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006112359.TAA17953@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:59:37 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network card WD8003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >The kernel says: >ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... despite the warning does the card work? --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 11 23:34:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20603 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20597 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006120334.XAA20597@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] random.c From: "rob pike" Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:34:05 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A file was mistakenly left out of today's updated distribution. If you need to compile a kernel and discover that /sys/src/9/*/random.c is missing, mail 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com and we'll mail you the missing files. The next update will pick them up. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24557 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24542 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7f-0002lN-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:11 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:06:39 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BBD8.176E60D1@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: [9fans] Re: A few questions about the new release Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Bill Dodd wrote: > ... The only one that I've been able find that is still on the market > is the ATI Xpert 98 (PCI, 8MB, Mach64 based I believe). It's actually based on the ATI Rage Pro chip, but supposedly the Plan9 MACH64 driver supports it. I'll soon find out, as I am in the process of downgrading from an ATI Xpert 128 (which doesn't appear to be MACH64 compatible) to the Xpert 98 specifically to support Plan9. One can often find "legacy" video cards and sound cards (almost no current sound card seems to be ISA SoundBlaster-16 compatible) at weekend "computer shows" (e.g. the ones MarketPro sponsors). Stock up on supported hardware while you can! > Looking down the road, I plan to set up a file server and cpu server. > Is there a requirement that either of these 2 boxes have a video card > that is supported in graphics mode, or will any old card that just > works in text mode be sufficient to install/configure/administer > these? Consider temporarily installing a supported graphics card, then once the software is installed and running, change back to the old one. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24573 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24547 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7e-0002l6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:10 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:59:48 GMT From: Randolph Fritz Message-ID: <200006100230.TAA01065@cyber-dyne.com> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <200006081802.OAA00801@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: randolph@cyber-dyne.com Subject: Re: [9fans] A few questions about the new release Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In comp.os.plan9, you wrote: >Almost any ATI card with a Mach64 chip is a good choice. >ATI still sells them although the product names may have evolved - check >on www.ati.com under the product heading 'Rage Pro Technology' (or some >such). But not, alas, the Rage II+ cards...tried last night. :( R. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24576 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24551 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7c-0002kk-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:21 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <39416031$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006091518.LAA26441@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > Because of the need to agree to the licensing and export controls, its > not available on an ftp side. Wget(linux) and GetRight(windows) both seem > able to get the thing incrementally, especially since I fixed my bug. > Sounds reasonable. There's also the need to go to the Web site to generate the boot disk. You could then issue a password for non-anonymous ftp, but I'm downloading from http://www.getright.com/get.html at this very moment. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:16:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24599 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24558 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7c-0002kc-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:57:58 GMT From: Sim IJskes Message-ID: <39415E29.8F9A6EDD@nyx.xs4all.nl> Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006091415.KAA24520@cse.psu.edu>, <200006091619.LAA05946@wombat.educ.indiana.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Brian Wheeler wrote: > Maybe this is a dumb question...I editted the floppy vgadb file > (I had the Matrox Millenium 2.3 version instead of 2.5) and when plan9 comes > up from the hard disk, the vgadb on the disk doesn't have my changes and > aux/vga fails... > > Did I miss something very obvious? I'm pretty new to plan9... > > Brian Wheeler > bdwheele@indiana.edu What you could do: put floppy in drive A and type the following a: (to mount /n/a:) mv /lib/vgadb /lib/vgadb.orig cp /n/a:/vgadb /lib and then start rio again (or reboot, after 'disk/kfscmd halt') Gr. Sim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24633 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24570 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7a-0002kA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:56:48 GMT From: stephen.wooding@anthro.utah.edu Message-ID: <39411D83.755EB20A@anthro.utah.edu> Organization: University of Utah Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Trouble on Thinkpad i1540 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to put plan9 on a Thinkpad i1540 (a laptop). The Thinkpad i1540 has: 12.1" 800x600 LCD screen Mach 64 ATI Rage Mobility-M / AGP 2X 3c589 Ethernet/Modem Card Intel 82365 PCIC PCMCIA controller 433 Celeron processor 64M SDRAM 4.8 Gig. EIDE / PCI 2.1 Hard Drive My plan9.ini says: *nomp=1 debug=1 bootfile=fd0!9pcflop.gz distname=plan9 ether0=type=3C589 monitor=lcd vgasize=800x600x8 mouseport=ps2 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960563837.hdw3m4tn39kkqs5pre2vd4evycvxd23k The floppy starts booting fine, but then I get: aux/mouse ps2 echo 800x600x8 aux/vga -vip 800x600x8 sleep 2 aux/vga -l 800x600x8 panic: mmukmap1: pa 81000000 entry 1000083 [ --- insert lots of numbers here --- ] cpu0: exiting Finally, the hard drive remains active, as does the floppy, until I power down. The hardware list at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/pchardware.html lists: ATI Rage II PCI card ATI Mach64 chipset as supported. Is the ATI Rage II PCI too different from my ATI Rage Mobility-M? Does someone know how to get plan9 installation to start successfully on this machine? Thanks, Steve From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24671 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24596 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7a-0002k0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:56:24 GMT From: zefuldar@my-deja.com Message-ID: <8hr5q5$515$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] Plan9 on Toshiba T420CDT Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Does anyone know if I can get Plan9 working on a Toshiba 420CDT laptop? It has 40M memory, 1.2G drive, C&T 65550 Video Chipset, 800x600LCD TFT display. I created the boot disk and copied the Dist onto a CDR, so if I can get the display to work, it should be a go. I tried various modifications to the VGADB file, since there are some similar entries, but I can't get it to work. If you know the secret, reply to this post. Thanks much! --MDC Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24679 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24609 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7b-0002kI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:07 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:57:12 GMT From: bad_packet Message-ID: <1719cf6f.8ee9f2e4@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: [9fans] Compare Plan9/Linux/xxxBSD Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi All, Just heard about Plan 9, and was wondering if anyone would care to take a stab at explaining the differences between it, Linux, and the versions of BSD. I realize Plan 9 is basically a significant refinement of Unix, with much/all(?) of the basic code having been rewritten. Have read some of the documentation, however still a bit fuzy on "why" one would use it over either super stable BSD, or the up and coming, ever improving Linux distro's. Or, is this simply more a technology demo, sort of an academic exercise. Not sure if Bell has plans for this, as Inferno sems to have wrt interactive video. Thanks in advance. Fred * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24723 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24632 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7d-0002ks-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:09 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:44 GMT From: CLint Davis Message-ID: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Organization: Mindspring/Netcom Subject: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Im still getting Plan9 to work. As such, when I have to edit a file on Plan9, it is damn-near impossible ( RIO still doent work yet). Can I mount Plan9 file system on my linux system? Note- with rio not working I have no way to edit ( SAM and ACME give errors about imagebuffer failure). Is this true? Clint From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:17:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24722 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24623 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7b-0002kS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:07 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:57:39 GMT From: Martin Harriss Message-ID: <8hrjmo$di6$1@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Organization: Princeton University Subject: [9fans] escape from vga hell? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I wonder is it absolutely necessary to have an 8-bit VGA graphic system? I know monochrome doesn't work any more, but I wondered if it would be possible to write a driver for 16-color vga mode. If this were possible, it would allow people to bring the system up on just about any hardware. I might be persuaded to find the time to look at this, but thus far I'm having trouble getting the system up. I have a Mach32 which worked very nicely on the old system, but is no longer supported. I do have a Mach64, but it complains thus: "undocumented linear aperture size" when I try to bring it up. (2MB on the card, and I never got it working under the 2nd edition either.) Martin Harriss From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:18:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24755 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:18:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24641 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7d-0002l0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:09 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:59:23 GMT From: kajri jain Message-ID: <39426311.389E9E90@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081831.OAA25336@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu>, <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu in addition to scott's useful list, i think if you have to add a ctlr to vgadb, the modified vgadb doesn't make it to the hard disk. .... > * If you told the install-floppy-maker that you have ethernet, > but then you use the local media to load the distribution, the ip > information never gets configured, which makes ndb/dns pause a while > before timing out. Don't panic if that happens. > > * It looks like glenda's home directory has a mode 0555 tmp directory > in it, which should be 0777. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:27:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA24765 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:18:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA24653 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131R7e-0002lF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:10 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:00:08 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BA41.D21A9046@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081539.LAA27536@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu>, <39405b13$0$802@news.execpc.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] 3rd edition download.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Tom E Arnold wrote: > IE did better than Netscape; died after 26 meg rather than the 3 to 4 > meg that was the most Netscape could do. If your target host for the installation has a supported network configuration, all you need to download is the 1.44MB floppy; during installation you can obtain the rest via the Internet, and that method also knows how to resume disrupted downloads. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:31:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26014 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25965 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMG-0003Dy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:16 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:09:57 GMT From: Uveges Balint Message-ID: Organization: Elender Rt. Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-199247021-960643620=:301" Subject: [9fans] Plan9 with Matrox G400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-199247021-960643620=:301 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! My home-box is an x86 (Celeron) with a Matrox G400 32MB graphics card. I tried to start Plan9 from the boot floppy, but it gives mi a shell, and a bios dump of the card. I tried to edit the vgadb, but my agp slot with the card is not supported (i think). Please help me, i want to install Plan9 on my computer. Please give me instructions, with i can start the system. The graphics card: Matrox Millenium G400 AGP Slot 32 Mb Ram 300 MHz RamDAC Thank You! 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Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RME-0003Da-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:08:23 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BF54.1E47F742@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006091646.MAA14505@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Matrox Millenium oddities Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > After booting the installation and > rio fails, put the floppy back and type > a: > disk/kfscmd allow > cp /n/a:/vgadb /lib/vgadb > disk/kfscmd disallow > disk/kfscmd halt > and then reboot the system. When I was doing stuff like that, disk/kfscmd was inoperative, so unless something has changed, your best bet might be to cp /n/a:/vgadb /tmp bind -b /tmp /lib # causes /tmp/vgadb to become /lib/vgadb vga -l 800x600x8 or incantations to that effect. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26043 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25982 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMD-0003DN-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:07:06 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3941BDCD.6078CD3A@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3940EAB5.540C456E@mail.cz> Subject: [9fans] Re: plan9 and TNT videochips Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu yacht wrote: > Is it possible or TNT chipsets aren't supported ? How ? There is a supported-hardware list on the Web site. Last time I looked, TNT wasn't a supported video card. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26055 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA25992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMD-0003DT-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:07:58 GMT From: jim Message-ID: Organization: Verio Subject: [9fans] shutdown -h now Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Have only seen one reference to how to shut down plan 9. Just want to make sure this sounds right. To shut down the system, type disk/kfscmd halt. Then turn off the power. Is this it? Thanks From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26072 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26000 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMF-0003Dg-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:08:46 GMT From: Dennis Ritchie Message-ID: <3941C50F.67762771@bell-labs.com> Organization: Bell Labs / Lucent Technologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.5.32.20000609193700.01b4ce70@mail.prognet.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] A big thanks and some random questions Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Fariborz Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > I was playing with mapdemo. It seems that the /lib/map directory > is missing. I assume this is due to copyright issues, and I have get > it from somewhere else? p9C; cd /lib/map; du -s 18545 . 18MB here, 18MB there, pretty soon we're talking really long download times. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26076 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26007 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMF-0003Dm-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:09:10 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <39422ec2$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006081417.KAA23373@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rob pike wrote: > > While we're thanking and congratulating, I'd like to > mention some people. The number of people who > contributed to the system is too long that I'm certain > to leave someone out if I try to create a complete > list. But I want to point out that the software to > package, distribute, download and boot the system > was done by Russ Cox, Dave Presotto, and Jim McKie. > The smoothness of the process is a testament to > their abilities. > It is evident that they didn't end this contribution at the moment of release. Continued attention, at least from Dave Presotto, was key to my successfull download. Again, thanks. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26091 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26019 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMH-0003E4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:17 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:10:20 GMT From: kazik Message-ID: <8htk6a$iq2$1@zeus.polsl.gliwice.pl> Organization: Politechnika Slaska, Gliwice Subject: [9fans] trio Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello will my elsa 1000 trio on s3 trio works? after booting it tells me that doesnt know wats is that card. whats other eays configure it ? kazik From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:32:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA26095 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:32:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA26015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RMF-0003Ds-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:09:35 GMT From: Tom E Arnold Message-ID: <3942302c$0$802@news.execpc.com> Organization: Born to Raise Eyebrows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200005052042.QAA06869@er7.rutgers.edu> Reply-To: tomea@execpc.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 future (Was: Re: Are the Infernospaces gone?) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Anthony Sorace wrote: > > //StarOffice ported to [Plan 9]... > > oh, lord. i suppose one could make an argument for it being > good for the platform's future, but it's still a scary idea. > Given the emphasis on network communication the killer app (for lack of a worse term) would be a port of a multi-player shoot-em-up like Quake. -- TTom/ My current neighborhood: http://www.coldspringpark.org My next neighborhood: http://www.geocities.com/athens/acropolis/9361 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:46:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27180 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27171 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVB-0003Lu-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:29 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:31:18 GMT From: Fabricio Chalub Message-ID: <3943df2b$1@news.terra.com.br> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] plan9.9gz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have two questions: 1) Anyone here got rio working with a Intel 810 chipset? 2) Is there a way to extract the plan9.9gz files without using the installation disk? I would love to see the source, but I can't if I don't install the whole OS on my machine! fc From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:46:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27204 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27176 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVA-0003Lc-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:17 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <394455AC.89CAFF3D@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <20000611212440.243.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] My share of plan9 problems :) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > >"fd0!9pcflop.gz' it will complain about not having a FAT partition > I experienced same problem and cleared the problem using > "fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz" You got lucky -- in the loader code those are suppoed to be equivalent (i.e. a floppy is always treated as a single dos filesystem). I found that my system has the same problem unless I *disable* my second (different type) floppy drive in the BIOS beforehand, and nothing that is entered at that prompt will work (in my case). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27248 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV6-0003L9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:26:54 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39433EE3.7C2CD1D5@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <39424CD2.666B9A12@worldchat.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation: A new ATI mach64 vgadb entry, video trouble Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Milan Zimmermann wrote: > 0xC00E9="MACH64VTPCIU" # my Mach 64 on AMD system > Should stuff like this be send to 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com so they > can add it to the distribution? Yes! > aux/vga: mach64xx: no linear aperture aux/vga:.... I saw that also on a RAGE-128 card, but 3D RAGE PRO works fine.. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27252 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27197 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV4-0003Kq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:25:37 GMT From: Steve Simon Message-ID: <39426235.7CFF4681@no-spam.savan.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: steve@nospam-savan.demon.co.uk Subject: [9fans] Install via LS120 disk problems Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have a Laptop with an LS120 disk instead of a floppy. The initial bootstrap works, then it complains it cannot find the kernel file. I creaded a FAT (MSDOS) partition and copied the floppy to it. I then found I could load the OS by answering "sdC0!dos!9pcflop.gz" as the kernel file. Now the kernel is asking where to find its root filesystem, sugesting [local!#S/sdC0/fs]. If I accept this then the LS120 disk whirs and the system hangs. I beleive the root filesystem exists as the root.vd (virtual disk) file which I have copied to the FAT partition. My problem is I don't know how to tell the kernel where to find it. I've looked in the on-line manuals for plan9.ini,boot,booting and a few others, unfortuantely I haven't managed to work out what to do. Thanks for any/all help -Steve _________________________________________________ Remove nospam from email address before replying From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27289 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27205 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV5-0003Kw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:23 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:25:57 GMT From: Steven Fines Message-ID: <39426A93.727AC269@sunflower.com> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] plan 9 install problems. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello all, After I completed the plan 9 install and wrote an MBR for it, I rebooted and it came up to the following line: root is from(il, local)[local!#f0/fd0disk]: After the loging in as glenda it crashes with the error: kfs...boot: nop...kfs init 6: can't read #f0/fd0disk I am assuming that this error is caused because it's looking on the boot floppy, which I've removed from the system. I tried the install again, just to be sure that I wrote a plan9 boot sector. So My question is, how do I change where the boot loader is looking? I tried variations of local!#sdC0/sdC0disk as parameters to the root is from: request, but nothing that I've tried has worked. Thanks, SF From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27302 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27215 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV6-0003L2-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:26:25 GMT From: David Hoffman Message-ID: Organization: Insync Internet Services, Inc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have heard about Plan9 for years, but until I saw the recent announcement I had no idea that it was available outside of Bell Labs. I looked over the information on the Bell Labs web site, and I saw a comment that ther PowerPC architecture is supported, but I found no more than that. I have a PowerPC Mac (an 8600 to be exact). Will Plan9 run on this machine? David Hoffman hoffman@insync.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:47:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27321 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV7-0003LI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:25 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:27:19 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39434070.CA1A4785@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006101925.PAA28165@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > i8259enable: irq 7 shared but not level > > intrenable: couldn't enable irq 7, tbdf 0xffffffff for lpt > The reason for the message is that some other driver has registered as > wanting to use that IRQ already and ... Unfortunately I'm getting a similar conflict with IRQ 3, which in my system is assigned for exclusive use of the 3C509B (I had no real choice as there are no spare IRQs on my system and I even had to sacrifice a serial port to get that one). I assume this is because the installation/resulting Plan 9 systems are assuming the existence of 2 serial ports; how do I disable the second one (in PLAN9.INI presumably)? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:57:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27338 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV8-0003LO-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:27:37 GMT From: Conway Yee Message-ID: Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science References: , <20000608093850.L3828@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 from Bell Labs - Frequently Asked Questions [FAQ] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >My vote is to leave it as is, simply because we're a reasonably stable >readership (interactship?). The readership may be larger than you think. I am reading this via USENET rather than subscribing to the mailing list. Conway Yee From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:58:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27358 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27243 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RV9-0003LU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:28:51 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39445515.E3478B2B@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006112001.QAA14356@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Re: (none) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > We've put a new (June 11) full package there that included things > we fixed and things that were left out of the first > package. ... I for one appreciate this, and hope that VN doesn't "freeze" the CD-ROM distribution and documentation for a while, while we shake out the various minor bugs, glitches, etc. > Use wrap/install, see wrap(8), to unpack the packages. Rob says its actually "wrap/inst" (inconsistency in documentation, supposedly now fixed). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 06:59:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27399 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27253 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVA-0003Li-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:35 GMT From: Fabricio Chalub Message-ID: <39445EE0.A8AB2D2C@gnu.org> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Utility to extract the plan9.9gz files Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Frustrated that I couldn't install the Plan9 on my machine (incompatible VGA chipset), I assumed that I have at least the right to take a look at the source code. ;) Since there isn't any utility to extract the contents of the plan9.9gz file *outside* the realm of the operating system itself, I did the only thing to do: created my own. (I even sent an e-mail to this newsgroup earlier today, but got too anxious to wait for a---possibly negative---answer). So here it is: it creates the tree structure of the plan9.9gz file inside the directory you run it. You need to gunzip the plan9.9gz file, and call it plan9.9, or modify the source. ;) Enjoy. Comments are appreciated. If this is in violation of any copyright policy, just ignore it. ;) fc #!/usr/bin/perl # Unpack the plan9.9gz file # unpack-plan9.pl, v 11062000 # (c) Fabricio Chalub, chalub@gnu.org open F, "plan9.9"; while () { /(.*) (.*) (.*) (.*) (.*) (.*)/; $filename = $1; $filename = substr ($filename, 1); $length = $6; read F, $buffer, $length; print "$filename\n"; if ($length == 0) { mkdir $filename, 0700; } else { open O, ">$filename"; print O $buffer; close O; } } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 07:00:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA27405 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:48:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA27263 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131RVB-0003Lo-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:31:29 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:57 GMT From: "Daniel E. Doherty" Message-ID: <394491DA.47595B6F@sprintmail.com> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Subject: [9fans] STB Velocity 128 Support? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------52FE85098108482ED71ED933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations and Thanks to Bell-Labs, again. I am excited to try out Plan 9 after running the free demo version a couple of years ago. I boot, but my STB Velocity 128 is not recognized. I see Velocity 64 in the vgadb, so I'm hoping its an easy fix. An edit to the db? Otherwise, this is a vanilla Dell. If I can get video, it's time to dust of Partition Magic! Thanks for any suggestions. -- % Treason never prospers. % Daniel E. Doherty % % What's the reason? % Roeland Park, KS (USA) % % Why if treason ever prosper, % ddoherty@sprintmail.com % % None dare call it treason. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --------------52FE85098108482ED71ED933 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=iso-8859-1; name="ddoherty.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Card for Daniel E. Doherty Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ddoherty.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgCm46RG9oZXJ0eTtEYW5pZWwKdGVsO2ZheDo5MTMtNjI0LTIyNTYKdGVs O3dvcms6OTEzLTYyNC0zMzQyCngtbW96aWxsYS1odG1sOkZBTFNFCm9yZzpTcHJpbnQgQ29y cG9yYXRpb247TGVnYWwKYWRyOjs7O1dlc3R3b29kO0tTOzY2MjA1O1VuaXRlZCBTdGF0ZXMK dmVyc2lvbjoyLjEKZW1haWw7aW50ZXJuZXQ6ZGRvaGVydHlAc3ByaW50bWFpbC5jb20KdGl0 bGU6U2VuaW9yIEF0dG9ybmV5CngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzIKZm46RG9oZXJ0eSwgRGFuaWVs CmVuZDp2Y2FyZAo= --------------52FE85098108482ED71ED933-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 07:07:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29008 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:07:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ysbl.york.ac.uk (batman.chem.york.ac.uk [144.32.72.190]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA28997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yorvic.york.ac.uk (pingu [144.32.72.76]) by ysbl.york.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA4335586 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:07:23 GMT Message-ID: <3944C467.9891568F@yorvic.york.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:07:19 +0100 From: Leo Caves Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" References: <200006111850.OAA13095@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ( see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/screenshot.html ) with so much of substance to discuss with the new release (and as I don't have the right hardware to install just now) I thought I would muse on the symbolism of the plan 9 bunny... 1/ bunnies vs. penguins ? bunny: faster, more (re)productive (effective plumbing?), extensive networks, prone to colonisation, cuddly. penguin: rather slow and unstable (on land), limited area of operation, rather formal attire(?) 2/ Night of the Lepus although not one of Ed Wood's productions, this is widely regarded as one of the (best) worst films of all time. the premise rests on the belief that large bunny == scary bunny. see http://us.imdb.com/Title?Night+of+the+Lepus+(1972) http://www.kokonino.com/ht/beth-lepus.html [ 3/ A kinder, gentler Bunny Club... ] From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 07:21:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA29482 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:21:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from barb.worldchat.com (root@barb.wchat.on.ca [204.138.239.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA29476 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from worldchat.com (asv90-1-p44.wchat.on.ca [205.210.137.60]) by barb.worldchat.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id HAA22065 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:21:36 -0400 Message-ID: <3944B98A.EA6C24C7@worldchat.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:20:58 -0400 From: Milan Zimmermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation: A new ATI mach64 vgadb entry, video trouble References: <39424CD2.666B9A12@worldchat.com> <39433EE3.7C2CD1D5@null.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu "Douglas A. Gwyn" wrote: > > Milan Zimmermann wrote: > > 0xC00E9="MACH64VTPCIU" # my Mach 64 on AMD system > > Should stuff like this be send to 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com so they > > can add it to the distribution? > > Yes! Russ Cox from Bell Labs already added this. > > > aux/vga: mach64xx: no linear aperture aux/vga:.... > > I saw that also on a RAGE-128 card, but 3D RAGE PRO works fine.. Russ Cox fixed this (on my Mach64 but I suspect it may apply elsewhere) - there is still a problem that the screen goes black after boot but I think he is working on it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:15:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01398 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01393 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id JAA12741 Message-Id: <200006121315.JAA12741@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, itzamna@sunflower.com Subject: Re: [9fans] plan 9 install problems. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:11:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a bug in some disks that went out over the weekend. At the root is from prompt, type local!#S/sdC0/fs and then edit your main plan9.ini file once you are running: 9fat: ed /n/9fat/plan9.ini /bootargs d w q to get rid of the "bootargs=" line. We've started listing common problems at plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/errata.html, by the way. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:15:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01441 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA01416 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:15:13 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006121315.JAA01416@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:16:23 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>PowerPC architecture is supported, but I found no more than that. I have a >>PowerPC Mac (an 8600 to be exact). Will Plan9 run on this machine? the powerpc compiler (qa, qc, ql) should cope with any powerpc port. at some point i'll merge any further changes i've got here compared to the released version once i've had a chance to diff them. there are many powerpc hardware implementations, with different architectures at kernel level (just counting 32 bit -- i think there are 64 bit variants as well that i've not had a chance to use). in particular, the cache control and mmu implementations are dramatically different between 8xx and 6xx. glancing at a 750 manual, it looks to be 6xx style, but no doubt with its own peculiarities. the powerpc kernel support in the release is usable as a base for ports to the powerpc 8xx (eg, 860, 821, 823, 850). the example is for a specific configuration, using an 860 i think. it's a good example of an embedded application of plan 9. nice of them to include it, actually. the 8xx kernel architecture is very far from the architecture of the mac, which will be more along 6xx lines. the distribution does not include kernel support for the powerpc 603/603e variants, but i've got it for old plan9, and inferno. i've made it available to various people from time to time. if the powermac is G3, i suspect you're out of luck. i didn't think hardware details of that had been released. even if they have, or if it's 604 based, you've still got a fair amount of work to do for a plan 9 port. Charles Forsyth From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:25:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA01881 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:25:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01877 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:25:45 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id JAA07303 Message-Id: <200006121325.JAA07303@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: martin@phoenix.princeton.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] escape from vga hell? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu regarding 16-color vga mode: Yes, great, do it. You'll want to map all 16-colors to 16-bit grey to make things work, but other than that I really expect that it should be okay. The other issue is reintroducing the software cursor, which we haven't done. It's been easier to just keep writing hardware cursor code (it's usually quite small), and having the hardware cursor makes debugging the VGAs a little easier (when the cursor works and the video image is wrong, that means you've messed up the memory timings). regarding the memory aperture: Send me your vgainfo.txt and we'll get that aperture recognized, at the least. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:27:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02013 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02006 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:27:19 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id JAA32679 Message-Id: <200006121327.JAA32679@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, clint.davis@hds.com Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:23:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Acme and sam are both graphical editors, and thus need a frame buffer. They don't start for the same reason rio does not. You can edit files in text mode using ed. The only file you should need to edit is vgadb, which is copied in from the root of the floppy at boot time, so you can just edit it using any system that can read DOS disks. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:44:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02642 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:44:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02637 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:44:39 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006121344.JAA02637@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:45:47 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] escape from vga hell? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Roger Peppe developed a scheme at VN for Inferno that uses the VESA BIOS support to put the card into a plausible mode before handing it over to the graphics system. It isn't as good as a native driver, for many reasons, but it did quite well on most recent PCs we tried. I expect we'll have a go at making it work with the new Plan 9. Charles Forsyth From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:45:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02744 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:45:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA02734 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006121345.JAA02734@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:45:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The document /sys/doc/port.ms (http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/port.pdf) talks about the PowerPC port. Here are the first two sentences about the compiler: The PowerPC compiler supports the 32-bit PowerPC architecture only; it does not support either the 64-bit extensions or the POWER compatibility instructions. It has been used for production operating system work on the 603, 603e, 821, 823, and 860. More details can be found in the document. In a later section, you'll read that the kernel source provided is for a small custom machine used as a network appliance. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:46:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02861 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02837 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131UN5-0006Jv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:35:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:38:13 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <200006111850.OAA13095@cse.psu.edu>, <3944C467.9891568F@yorvic.york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Leo Caves wrote: > > ( see http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/screenshot.html ) > > with so much of substance to discuss with the new release (and > as I don't have the right hardware to install just now) I thought > I would muse on the symbolism of the plan 9 bunny... > > 1/ bunnies vs. penguins ? > > bunny: faster, more (re)productive (effective plumbing?), > extensive networks, prone to colonisation, cuddly. Heh, for me, the bunny means one thing - Usagi Tsukino :P That alone makes it worth using. (Am I the only person who has thought of this? :) > 2/ Night of the Lepus > > although not one of Ed Wood's productions, this is widely regarded > as one of the (best) worst films of all time. the premise > rests on the belief that large bunny == scary bunny. Also, the Vorpal Bunny from Monty Python's Holy Grail... :P "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:46:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA02869 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02844 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131UOw-0006MS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:37:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:41:14 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] STB Trio64V+ Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have a STB Trio64V+ based card, forgot the exact type. PowerGraph 64 or something like that. Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver under 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. I'm decently familiar with PCs and programming in general but I don't know anything about plan9. I'd be happy to provide any assistance I can if I can be told how to provide said assistance... :P "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 09:54:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03320 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:54:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA03316 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006121354.JAA03316@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 18672 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2000 13:54:52 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 13:54:52 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux In-reply-to: Message from CLint Davis of "Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:44 GMT."References: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18665.960818092.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:54:52 -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Im still getting Plan9 to work. As such, when I have to edit a file on > Plan9, it is damn-near impossible ( RIO still doent work yet). Use the '-d' option with sam. That will give you a line-editor capability. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 10:31:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA04518 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:31:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA04512 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131VAw-0007Rh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:26:50 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:26:15 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006121354.JAA03316@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Im still getting Plan9 to work. As such, when I have to edit a file on > Plan9, it is damn-near impossible ( RIO still doent work yet). Use the '-d' option with sam. That will give you a line-editor capability. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 11:50:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA06574 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from zappa.esys.ca (zappa.esys.ca [198.161.92.28]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA06566 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lyndon@localhost) by zappa.esys.ca (8.11.0.Beta0/8.11.0.Beta0) id e5CFnt360644; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:49:55 -0600 (MDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences References: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> <14656.43622.408165.400838@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: 12 Jun 2000 09:49:54 -0600 In-Reply-To: nemo@gsyc.escet.urjc.es's message of "Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:38:48 GMT" Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070099 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell Inspiron >7k. Did you have to modify vgadb? When I tried to install it didn't recognise the video chip. I added an entry to vgadb that forced the installation to recognize the Rage LT Pro, but the result was trash on the screen. Which display settings did you use when generating the floppy? --lyndon >What about all the people who hoarded tonnes of spam in their bunkers? I hoard spam on my hard drive. When I heard about the coming Y2K worries, I downloaded a lifetime supply from the net. -- Charlie Gibbs in alt.folklore.computers From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 14:11:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10242 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006121811.OAA10233@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:50:24 EDT Subject: [9fans] Any difference in the file servers other than bsize Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We had to change the mkfile to compile fs/plan9pc. It was trying to link with libcrypt and we changed it to libsec. Is this okay? Also, we noticed that it tries to install it on certain machines in the labs. So, we edited this as well. We are using a Adaptec 1542cp as the scsi controller. More when we get further along. Brantley From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 14:33:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10960 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:54 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006121833.OAA10956@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:33:34 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Any difference in the file servers other than bsize MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit libsec is correct, we replaced cryptolib (libcrypt) with a locally written library, libsec, fairly recently and missed a few references to the old library. This should be fixed in the current package. If anyone notices others, please mail 9trouble. The install options for the kernels try to copy the kernel's to a machine called 'dinar'. This is a standalone plan 9 cpu server that we use to also get everyone back up should we have a power failure. Rather than take that out of the mkfile's, I'ld rather leave it in as a place holder for where you should put copies to your own tftp/bootp server. Dinar is really our auth server but having it also boot other systems is helpful. --upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Jun 12 14:26:31 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Mon Jun 12 14:26:29 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10280; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:19 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA10242 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA10233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006121811.OAA10233@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:50:24 EDT Subject: [9fans] Any difference in the file servers other than bsize Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk We had to change the mkfile to compile fs/plan9pc. It was trying to link with libcrypt and we changed it to libsec. Is this okay? Also, we noticed that it tries to install it on certain machines in the labs. So, we edited this as well. We are using a Adaptec 1542cp as the scsi controller. More when we get further along. Brantley --upas-gocoufzjcroafxyowasqdtgerd-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 14:43:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA11329 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:43:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA11324 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03104 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:43:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006121843.OAA03104@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9.ini file.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu After 3rd ed. installation, the system boots from hard disk. The ini file `plan9.ini' is on `9fat' partition. Is there way to access/change/modify this file As it is not visible from the file system after boot. - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 15:01:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA11977 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:01:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11972 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006121901.PAA11972@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9.ini file.. From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:01:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The command 9fat: (note the colon, analogous with a: or c:) will make the files visible in /n/9fat (no colon, unlike with a: or c:) -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 15:18:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12843 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA12836 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2440 invoked by uid 991); 12 Jun 2000 19:18:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612191817.2437.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux In-Reply-To: Message from CLint Davis of "Mon, 12 Jun 2000 09:58:44 GMT." <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:18:17 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Clint: | Can I mount Plan9 file system on my linux system? I don't know the precise status of this, but linux developers are working on adding 9p to their system. | Note- with rio not working I have no way to edit ( SAM and ACME give errors | about imagebuffer failure). Is this true? There's always ed, or ``sam -d''. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 15:51:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA13693 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:51:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from folly.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (postfix@muedi4-145-253-166-091.arcor-ip.net [145.253.166.91]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by folly.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 31451) id CAAA01471; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:51:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:51:09 +0200 From: Markus Friedl To: CLint Davis Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting Plan9 fs on linux Message-ID: <20000612215109.A513@folly.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> References: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>; from clint.davis@hds.com on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:58:44AM +0000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:58:44AM +0000, CLint Davis wrote: > Can I mount Plan9 file system on my linux system? some years ago i have written a little cmd line program for accessing my plan9 kfs from linux/bsd. you have to create a partition table/disklabel entry on unix pointing to blocks containing the kfs: http://wwwcip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~msfriedl/plan9/lkfs/ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 17:07:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16008 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:07:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16001 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006122107.RAA16001@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] man to html From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:07:14 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We have a new program for converting the man pages on the fly into HTML. They should look more dependable, or at least different. The new program uses the output of troff rather than its input, to avoid many of the problems we were having. Of course, we have new ones. Let us know if you see any problems. Thanks. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 17:41:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16891 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16883 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27743; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:41:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006122141.OAA27743@ohio.river.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9fans archive To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Uhtenwoldt Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu the old home of the archives of the 9fans mailing list is unreachable, so to be helpful I put up the last 2 megs of the list traffic at http://www.river.org/~ru/frontporch/ messages are appended to http://www.river.org/~ru/frontporch/plan9 as they arrive at my mailbox. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 18:06:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA17583 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:06:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA17579 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4222 invoked by uid 991); 12 Jun 2000 22:06:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612220612.4220.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9fans archive In-Reply-To: Message from Richard Uhtenwoldt of "Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:41:22 PDT." <200006122141.OAA27743@ohio.river.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:06:12 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Richard says: > the old home of the archives of the 9fans mailing list is unreachable, Everything should be available from http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/9fans/archives If there's a problem, please let me know. (The filenames aren't y2k compliant; blame majordomo.) On that score, I've been getting lots of bounces from demon.net. Folks who get 9fans via them might want to check the archives for recent traffic that didn't make it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 18:57:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18650 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA18643 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000612223021.274.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 13 07:30:20 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] STB Trio64V+ Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I have a STB Trio64V+ based card, forgot the exact type. > PowerGraph 64 or something like that. > Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the >Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver >under 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. The followings are my entry for Trio32/Trio64/Trio64V+: 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO32 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64V+ Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." I hope they help you. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 19:31:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19393 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA19389 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131dbz-00064L-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:27:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:26:16 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000612223021.274.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] STB Trio64V+ Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I have a STB Trio64V+ based card, forgot the exact type. > PowerGraph 64 or something like that. > Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the >Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver >under 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. The followings are my entry for Trio32/Trio64/Trio64V+: 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO32 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64V+ Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1." I hope they help you. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 20:21:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA20410 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA20406 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006130021.UAA20406@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compare Plan9/Linux/xxxBSD From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:20:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Try http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.pdf From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 21:26:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA21626 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA21621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from panix.com (arons.dialup.access.net [166.84.199.49]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D17157DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39458D78.B8B1BC58@panix.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:25:12 -0400 From: Stephen Arons X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Thinkpad 760ED success Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've had p9 running happily on an old Thinkpad 760ED (type 9546) in 8-bit XGA mode for several days. Add the line 0xC0043="Z6.1I" # IBM TP 760ED (9546) to the vgadb entry for the cyber938x. There is a brief moment of screen garbage as the controller switches from cga mode. Two caveats: there are no drivers for the MWAVE machinery, so the internal modem, soundblaster emulator, etc. are ignored; you can't set hardware configuration options without the ``Thinkpad Features'' software on an IBM-supported OS. What's been working: lcd, keyboard, external mouse, serial port, internal CD-ROM, external floppy. Not tested: PCMCIA, parallel port. It's great to have p9 running again. There are so many wonderful ideas in this release to absorb, it's almost as though rob's recent dark talk on systems software research was the hat and this is the rabbit. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 23:46:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24074 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:46:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA24069 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 20:46:10 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3945ADCA.852196B9@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:43:06 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Hello and some Plan 9 network configuration questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello! I found this list via the Plan 9 FAQ, on USEnet. I've subscribed because I've been a Plan 9 convert for three days now and I've gotten far enough along that I need to start asking infrastructure questions. While I'm on the subject, I was able to get so far because of Jim (jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com). Thanks Jim! Here's the deal: I put together an old clunker 486 box as follows: unknown VLB MB 486DX 66 Cyrix 32 MB RAM 541 MB HD SB16 Audio Speedstar64 VGA with about 511MB memory (some pixels drop out sometimes ;^) Linksys Ether16CT 10BT NIC (NE2K Clone) Standard isssue KB, Ser Mouse (2 button), FDD, IDE CDR I've got it up and running most of the way; networking worked when I installed but I've since broken it. I can't get 'cpu' to run and I think its because of the networking. Authentication seems to work but there's no nvram so I have to type the password a lot when generating keys and starting keyfs. I've successuflly added a new user, and if it weren't for the broken network config I'd probably have a plan 9 box sitting there on the net wide open (ok, because it's a private network). My goals are to incorporate the Plan 9 box into my existing network, and use it as a starting point for increased plan 9 prominence ;^) I'd like to play around with sharing files with other boxen on the network, running linux and win32 oses. For now I need to configure the Plan 9 box (plan9) as a standalone Plan 9 host, serving the terminal, fileserver, auth server, and cpu server. the existing topology is like this: 192.168.1.1 nitro - a quick win95/redhat dual boot box w/voodoo 3 agp 192.168.1.2 plastique - debian fileserver on 32M/P166 192.168.1.3 dock - winnt laptop 192.168.1.4 tor - win95 box in kitchen gateway is 192.168.1.254 dns is at 151.164.1.7 and 151.164.1.8 and the new edition: 192.168.1.7 plan9 - Plan 9 experimental/developement platform Could someone perhaps show me how to set up /lib/ndb/local* to implement this flat class C network? All comments/suggestions/instruction appreciated! References to documentation welcomed! I'm aware that a lot of this may be FAQ but I'm still working my way throught that and I'd like to address my networking asap. Thanks for your patience - James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 12 23:55:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA24316 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:55:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24309 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user ([172.21.104.107]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA00084 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000612205606.0089f100@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:56:06 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] laptop/Etherlink III PCMCIA problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This happens on a 486 laptop (Midwest Micro "Elite"). During bootup the following message is printed tens of times: pcmmap 4096: out of isa space <-- earlier in the boot up pcmmap: out of isa space <-- later in the boot process None of this stops the system from booting and starting up rio, etc. The system recognizes the PD6720 PCMCIA controller (I think #y0 device?) but fails to recognize the 3COM/EtherlinkIII (3C589D) card. P.S. Another entry for vgadb: % ed vgadb /E0090="Chips/ a 0xC008D="Chips 65540" # Midwest Micro Elite From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 01:43:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA25943 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:43:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA25935 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Open but not free Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:42:50 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Richard Stallman To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Subject: Plan Nine deep-sixed by non-free license Reply-to: rms@gnu.org I was excited to hear that Plan Nine might become free software, but it turns out that the license is too restrictive to qualify. We will have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its present license. If at some point you are willing to consider rerelease under a free software license, please contact me. For more information, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html and http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 01:53:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA26198 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:53:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA26194 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006130553.BAA26194@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:53:49 -0400 To: alteridentity@yahoo.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hello and some Plan 9 network configuration questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A good question. You should refer to plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.pdf (or start.html) but I'll make a few comments too. The use of a single Plan 9 box for everything is officially discouraged, but understandable. I was trying to figure out how to massage things to do that in a similar situation earlier this evening. To create some nvram, dd -bs 512 -count 1 plan9.nvr and copy that to the floppy that you're booting from. (Yes, unfortunately you have to boot from a floppy to run a cpu server currently. Otherwise it will not find the nvram file. That's a bug.) Then when you boot you'll be prompted for the appropriate information. The Plan 9 install makes a box that is fairly locked down, rather than wide open. You have to explicitly turn on the more sketchy services. As for your network, you want something like: ipnet=home-net ip=192.168.1.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 dns=151.164.1.7 dns=151.164.1.8 ipgw=192.168.1.254 auth=plan9 cpu=plan9 ip=192.168.1.1 sys=nitro ip=192.168.1.2 sys=plastique ip=192.168.1.3 sys=dock ip=192.168.1.4 sys=tor ip=192.168.1.7 sys=plan9 proto=il I could be wrong, but I think 192 is a default class C network. If it is a class B address, you would need ipnet=big-net ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 ipsubmask=255.255.255.0 too, because the network search starts at the default network and works its way down. It's described in ndb(2) and start.html. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 02:07:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA26556 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:07:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA26551 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA24749 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:07:28 +0200 (SAST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:07:27 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Message-ID: <20000613080726.A24639@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu>; from presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs out there already. It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, though. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 02:46:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA27087 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:46:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA27083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131kM8-0001A9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:39:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:37:02 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000613080726.A24639@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs out there already. It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, though. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 03:32:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA27831 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:32:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA27827 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by symnt3.cadence.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:32:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> From: Nigel Roles To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Open but not free Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:32:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as AAA10921 at Tue Jun 13 00:32:33 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu It might be ugly of Stallman, but not entirely surprising. Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't know where it was. -----Original Message----- From: Lucio De Re [mailto:lucio@proxima.alt.za] Sent: 13 June 2000 07:07 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs out there already. It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, though. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 04:06:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28383 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:06:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28379 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id KAA24874 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:58 +0200 (SAST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:05:56 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Message-ID: <20000613100556.A24870@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com>; from Nigel Roles on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:32:22AM +0100 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:32:22AM +0100, Nigel Roles wrote: > > Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't > know where it was. > Maybe. But the turn of phrase he used is rather unfortunate. I'm a firm believer that computer programming is a form of communication, and Stallman did not express his sentiments in a manner I would consider appropriate. He could have been more diplomatic, I think. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 04:46:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA28968 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:46:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA28964 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131mE5-00020F-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:39:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:37:03 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000613100556.A24870@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 08:32:22AM +0100, Nigel Roles wrote: > > Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't > know where it was. > Maybe. But the turn of phrase he used is rather unfortunate. I'm a firm believer that computer programming is a form of communication, and Stallman did not express his sentiments in a manner I would consider appropriate. He could have been more diplomatic, I think. ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 04:55:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA29208 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:55:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA29204 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 04:55:08 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006130855.EAA29204@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:23:31 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>He could have been more diplomatic, I think. i thought he was at his most diplomatic. 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Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu in article 200006121315.JAA01416@cse.psu.edu, forsyth@vitanuova.com at forsyth@vitanuova.com wrote on 6/12/00 8:46 AM: >>> PowerPC architecture is supported, but I found no more than that. I have a >>> PowerPC Mac (an 8600 to be exact). Will Plan9 run on this machine? [snip] > if the powermac is G3, i suspect you're out of luck. i didn't think > hardware details of that had been released. even if they have, > or if it's 604 based, you've still got a fair amount of work to do > for a plan 9 port. The 8600 is a 604 (unless it has an upgrade in it). But as for G3s, there are several source-available operating systems available for Macs: Linux - http://www.linuxppc.org/ NetBSD - http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/ Darwin - http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/darwin/ Between those three source trees there must be enough information to do a Mac Plan 9 port. 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PowerGraph 64 or > something like that. Anyway, created lines in vgadb for it, using the > Diamond Stealth card as a refrence (They use the same driver under > 'Doze...) and it hangs when trying to go into graphics mode. put debug=1 (1st line) in paln9.ini and try aagain, it will print info and you will know where does it hang! may not be of much help but will allow to ask a more specific question.. - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 05:32:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29774 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29725 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msw-0003AW-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:10:09 GMT From: "James G. Stallings II" Message-ID: <39454B37.4ECB8A63@yahoo.com> Organization: SBC Internet Services Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, fellow users of the oracle that is USEnet! This post chronicles my adventures installing and (mis)configuring the latest release of plan9 (R3). I will summarize it as follows: as usual, getting the hardware to work is 98% of success. Of course, you have to be able to tell it (plan9) what and where the hardware is, but that's the other two percent, huh :) Once I'd cobbled together the parts for a suitably old machine to set it up on, I got the baseline hardware working and was able to boot to the graphic install. The old dog is built up as follows: 486DX2 66 from Cyrix on an unknown MB w 32M ram 512M Conner HD (IDE) 36x CDROM LinkSys Ether16CT 10BT ethernet std 1.4M floppy SB16 audio std kb 2 button ser mouse Speedstar64 VGA with about 511K of memory on it (some of the pixels drop out ;^) Initial installs were done via locally-burned CD. The fifth and final install was performed over the ether and is installed on a native plan9 fat on the disk (it's the only partition). As I summarized, getting the hardware right has been most of the battle so far. This would have been no different for any other O/S. Getting the right VGA settings was nontrivial enough to educate me concerning getting the ethernet right. Jim (jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com) was an especially valuable resource here as well - Thanks Amigo! Now I have it pretty well going, except for a few issues involving networking. Can someone tell a bonehead how to configure the /lib/nbd/ for a small lan? The net is like this: 1 win95 box named tor at 192.168.1.4 1 dual boot win95/redhat box named nitro at 192.168.1.1 1 debian server named plastique at 192.168.1.2 1 winnt portable named dock at 192.168.1.3 1 standalone plan9 box named plan9 at 192.168.1.7 gateway is 192.168.1.254 dns is 151.164.1.7 and 151.164.1.8 the plan9 box (for now) needs to be everything plan9 on the lan (cpu server, file server and terminal) I'd be happy to share my current /lib/ndb/local* and /lib/ndb/common with you except that in my feeble attempts to configure it I've blown the box off the 'net. I know it's not a device problem cause it werked just fine when I downloaded the distribution archive. Plus it was pingable until I munged with /lib/nbd/* Thanks in advance for any assists! Cheers! 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From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 05:32:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29814 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msx-0003Ak-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:11:05 GMT From: ggunning Message-ID: <39456CC4.84DFE0A9@esatclear.ie> Organization: EsatClear News Server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] vgadb Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have been trying to install plan9, however I get told aux/vga controller not in /lib/vgadb I also tried using 600x480 to no avail. It reports the card as ATI MACH64, PCI BIOS P/N 113-25517-100 (C) 1988-94, ATI Technologies Inc .BK3.4/0.030MACH64GXPCIUN which is ok. I think I am meant to now edit the vgadb file do I do this to the image before I put it on the floppy or at the % prompt. Thanks for your assistance. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 05:32:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29826 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29759 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msy-0003Au-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:11:33 GMT From: ishwar@delhi.cps.cmich.edu Message-ID: <3945785b@news.cmich.edu> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <39426A93.727AC269@sunflower.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: plan 9 install problems. 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From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:04:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01239 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:04:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01231 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA22990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by symnt3.cadence.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:48 +0100 Message-ID: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0904@symnt3.cadence.com> From: Nigel Roles To: "'9fans@cse.psu.edu'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] AHA-2940 and P9 install Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as DAA22990 at Tue Jun 13 03:03:57 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu SOL I'm afraid. Well until an Adaptec driver gets written anyway. The fallback position, as always, is to buy an NCR/Symbios/LSI Logic based controller. -----Original Message----- From: bs [mailto:balaji@mediaone.net] Sent: 13 June 2000 10:10 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] AHA-2940 and P9 install If I have a AHA-2940 PCI SCSI card, am I SOL? I was able to boot w/ the floppy and it looks way cool... though I cannot do any installs after that :-( Anything I can do? thx, From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:36:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01727 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:36:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01723 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0C.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.162]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA21682 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:34:47 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01280 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:35:55 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:35:55 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences Message-ID: <20000613033555.A1214@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu When I saw the announcement, I had to take a look at this system (I've been waiting for years), so I downloaded it, and started to install it. After some difficulty I got it going on my home system. It fascinates me, and I want to continue to work with it (in my copious spare time, no doubt. :-) I am writing with two questions question and an account of several problems. Question one: how do I boot Plan 9 from a primary IDE slave disk (sdC1) with lilo? I have it working from a boot floppy, but having it working from lilo would be really cool. :) Question two: has anyone tried using Plan 9 to run a rendering farm? I am working with Radiance on a Beowulf cluster, and it looks to me like it might work better on Plan 9--has anyone tried this with any rendering software? Second: problems encountered on the way up. I am working with the 6/7 release, and have downloaded the upgrades; it may be that some of these have already been taken care of. 1. I was never able to successfully read an ext2 partition. On the first system I tried (Mandrake 7.1, Linux 2.2.14), the installer saw the partition but would never show me files. On the second system, it didn't even see the partitions because... 2. Apparently DOS extended partitions are opaque to the installer. This made a major difficulty for me in installing and led me to try... 3. Installing from a CD-R, which could only be seen after I switched the drive to the secondary IDE master position (scD0). Before that it was in the technically incorrect, but common, secondary IDE slave position (scD1) and was not recognized. I'd installed my CD-ROM drive out of the box in that configuration and I'd never had any problems with it before this install. Before I tried that, I tried... 4. Downloading (again) using PPP. I gave this up when the modem refused to connect at more than 9600 bps (I believe the installer configures the serial port to 9600 bps, rather than the 230kbps needed for best results with a 50kbps modem) and the download would probably have taken several days. :) Once the system was working, I was very happy. Being a crazed ex-QA engineer, I also noted the following minor problems: 1. The "9fat:" command assumes that the drive is scC0; mine is scC1. Is there a configuration-independent way of resolving this? 2. The Mach 64 driver produces little jittering horizontal lines on the right-hand side of the screen with my Rage IIC . The system is functional with them, but they are distracting. Anyhow, thanks very much for making this technology available! -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:37:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA01846 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:37:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA01842 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:37:54 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006131037.GAA01842@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:09:00 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Which PowerPC Architectures? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>The 8600 is a 604 (unless it has an upgrade in it). But as for G3s, there >>are several source-available operating systems available for Macs: >>Between those three source trees there must be enough information to do a >>Mac Plan 9 port. yes, given that, i'd say there was. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:44:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02083 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:44:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02078 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24097 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:53:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA08862 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:52:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:52:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006131052.MAA08862@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pcmcia question Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Plan 9 is up and running on a Nec versa note. The installation was reasonnably easy (except when kfs got an error, in the boot process I was asked if I would like to ream it, but was not given a chance to answer yes; i reamed it via the install floppy, /386/init disappeared and I re-installed from scratch). Plan 9 can't be booted via the FreeBSD boot loader. When booting, Plan 9 finds a pcmcia controller (?) as a 82c365, while FreeBSD recognize it as a 82c146. Anyone knows how compatible they are? Do I have any chance to have my Accton NE2000 compatible ethernet card working ? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 06:58:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02413 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:58:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02409 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from symnt3.Cadence.COM (symnt3.Cadence.COM [194.32.101.100]) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27012 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pc535-cam (pc535-cam.cadence.com [194.32.97.87]) by symnt3.Cadence.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id MSQ7R3PB; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:58:22 +0100 From: "Nigel Roles" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:59:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [9fans] pcmcia question Reply-to: ngr@ngr@9fs.org Message-ID: <39462236.14506.1A17D74C@localhost> In-reply-to: <200006131052.MAA08862@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) X-Received: By mailgate.Cadence.COM as DAA27012 at Tue Jun 13 03:58:31 2000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Oooh. Interesting. Which video chip is it, and what is your screen resolution? I have a NEC versa-lite. Thanks, Nigel Roles > > Plan 9 is up and running on a Nec versa note. > The installation was reasonnably easy (except when kfs got an error, in the > boot process I was asked if I would like to ream it, but was not given a > chance to answer yes; i reamed it via the install floppy, /386/init disappeared > and I re-installed from scratch). > > Plan 9 can't be booted via the FreeBSD boot loader. > > When booting, Plan 9 finds a pcmcia controller (?) as a 82c365, while FreeBSD > recognize it as a 82c146. Anyone knows how compatible they are? Do I have any > chance to have my Accton NE2000 compatible ethernet card working ? > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 07:21:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02863 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:21:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02858 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 04:21:30 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39461880.7B02CBF3@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:18:24 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Cox CC: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hello and some Plan 9 network configuration questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks Russ! Will be putting this inplace today. Have read start.html exhaustively (it got me through setting up a new user) but it gets a little bit vaugue on some of the networking. Probably great for someone moderately familiar with Plan 9... Thanks for the tip concerning the "nvram" and floppy. Note that I'm setting up the standalone box to develop a driver for the voodoo 3 agp - I want to run it on something more substantial than a 486 in "production". The 192.168.0.0 net is a class B private network - I guess I need to describe the supernet in ndb as well? Haven't read ndb(2) yet - will ref it today. Thanks Russ- James Russ Cox wrote: > A good question. You should refer to > plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.pdf (or start.html) > but I'll make a few comments too. > > The use of a single Plan 9 box for > everything is officially discouraged, > but understandable. I was trying to > figure out how to massage things to > do that in a similar situation earlier > this evening. > > To create some nvram, > dd -bs 512 -count 1 plan9.nvr > and copy that to the floppy that you're > booting from. (Yes, unfortunately you > have to boot from a floppy to run a cpu > server currently. Otherwise it will not > find the nvram file. That's a bug.) > > Then when you boot you'll be prompted > for the appropriate information. > > The Plan 9 install makes a box that is > fairly locked down, rather than wide open. > You have to explicitly turn on the more > sketchy services. > > As for your network, you want something like: > > ipnet=home-net ip=192.168.1.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 > dns=151.164.1.7 > dns=151.164.1.8 > ipgw=192.168.1.254 > auth=plan9 > cpu=plan9 > > ip=192.168.1.1 sys=nitro > ip=192.168.1.2 sys=plastique > ip=192.168.1.3 sys=dock > ip=192.168.1.4 sys=tor > ip=192.168.1.7 sys=plan9 proto=il > > I could be wrong, but I think 192 is a default > class C network. If it is a class B address, you would need > > ipnet=big-net ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 > ipsubmask=255.255.255.0 > > too, because the network search starts at the > default network and works its way down. It's > described in ndb(2) and start.html. > > Russ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 07:23:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA02990 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:23:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA02984 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 04:23:38 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <39461903.D1FC3A9A@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:20:35 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lucio@proxima.alt.za CC: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu> <20000613080726.A24639@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I wouldn't let RMS spoil my day - if his were the final word there'd be no linux and we'd all be sitting around waiting for HURD. He may be a genius and a visionary, but he's one in a million... -James Lucio De Re wrote: > On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:42:50AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > > > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > > > That's quite OK with me, at least. There are enough religious programs > out there already. > > It is ugly of Stallman to recommend that people should not use it, > though. > > ++L __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 08:00:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA03652 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:00:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA03647 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24358; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA08875; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:04 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:08:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006131208.OAA08875@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, ngr@ngr@9fs.org Subject: Re: [9fans] pcmcia question Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Oooh. Interesting. Which video chip is it, and what is your screen > resolution? I have a NEC versa-lite. aux/vga -p says a MagicGraph 128XD 40K X11 says a NeoMagic NM2160 rev 1. It works fine in 1024x768x8. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:17:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05140 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:17:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05136 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:17:02 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131317.JAA05136@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:16:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pcmcia question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu When booting, Plan 9 finds a pcmcia controller (?) as a 82c365, while FreeBSD recognize it as a 82c146. Anyone knows how compatible they are? Do I have any chance to have my Accton NE2000 compatible ethernet card working ? Plan 9 doesn't make much effort to delve into the depths of the PCMCIA controller, if it walks like an 82C365 and talks like an 82C365 then it is an 82C365. Cirrus Logic and Vadem controllers are also recognised as they require slightly different initial configuration by the driver. Please mail me the output of the aux/pcmcia command so we can try to get your Accton card working (I'd also like the exact model number of the card for reference). If your card is in slot 1 of a dual PCMCIA controller the command would be aux/pcmcia '#y/pcm1attr' --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:23:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05386 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:23:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05379 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131qUG-0000d6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:12:12 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:59:22 GMT From: Bill Gunshannon Message-ID: <8i5abp$ku8$1@info.cs.uofs.edu> Organization: University of Scranton References: <200006130543.BAA25935@cse.psu.edu>, <39461903.D1FC3A9A@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In article <39461903.D1FC3A9A@yahoo.com>, alteridentity@yahoo.com (James G. Stallings II) writes: |> |> I wouldn't let RMS spoil my day I have never taken him seriously enough for him to do that!! |> - if his were the final word there'd be no linux |> and we'd all be sitting around waiting for HURD. |> |> He may be a genius and a visionary, but he's one in a million... He doesn't fit either of those catagories. In charity, I will not say just where I think he falls. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:25:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05522 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:25:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA05517 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:25:34 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006131325.JAA05517@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:25:42 EDT Subject: re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Now that RMS will ``have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine'' I feel that the software release has been a complete success! Brantley From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:36:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA05989 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weyl.math.psu.edu (weyl.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.226]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04360 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (viro@localhost) by weyl.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00353 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: weyl.math.psu.edu: viro owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:36:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Viro To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free In-Reply-To: <8i5abp$ku8$1@info.cs.uofs.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Bill Gunshannon wrote: [what RMS is] > > He doesn't fit either of those catagories. In charity, I will not say > just where I think he falls. Why? .procmailrc, indeed... (along with this thread, to be honest) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 09:38:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06126 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:38:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06121 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:38:23 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000613131151.366.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 13 22:11:50 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] time stamps Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I said: >>The kernel says: >>ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... And jmk replied: >despite the warning does the card work? Yes. I have confirmed just now. Thanks. By the way, time stamps are something curious. term% cd /sys/log term% ls -l a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 auth a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 cs a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 174 Jun 14 06:44 dns a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 ftp ... term% date; date -u Tue Jun 13 21:59:52 JST 2000 Tue Jun 13 12:59:52 GMT 2000 term% cat dns pc Jun 14 06:44:55 starting dns on 192.168.1.2 pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /net/ndb pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/local pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/common term% cat /adm/timezone/local JST 32400 JST 32400 term% where `pc' is a sysname of my home computer. # Time stamps are just 9 hours faster than local time in Japan! Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:22:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07297 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131422.KAA07293@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:22:27 -0400 To: alteridentity@yahoo.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ipnet=amigo-net ip=192.168.1.0 dns=151.164.1.7 dns=151.164.1.8 ipgw=192.168.1.254 ip=192.168.1.4 sys=tor ip=192.168.1.2 sys=plastique ip=192.168.1.3 sys=dock ip=192.168.1.7 sys=plan9 proto=il This should be enough to make you a happy camper. If you have a list of domain names you'ld like to search through when resolving names ammend the first entry to: ipnet=amigo-net ip=192.168.1.0 dns=151.164.1.7 dns=151.164.1.8 ipgw=192.168.1.254 dnsdomain=x.y.z dnsdomain=a.b.c where x.y.z and a.b.c are domain suffixes. If you have domain names that these systems are reachable by add a dom=my.domain.name atribute value pair to the system entries where my.domain.name is the full domain name of the system. If you have a DHCP server on your net, you'ld get most of the entry for your system by cating /net/ndb which is a turd our ipconfig leaves around for other programs to use. --upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Jun 13 05:52:36 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Tue Jun 13 05:52:35 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA00008; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:39 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA29774 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:32:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA29725 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131msw-0003AW-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:10:09 GMT From: "James G. Stallings II" Message-ID: <39454B37.4ECB8A63@yahoo.com> Organization: SBC Internet Services Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Greetings, fellow users of the oracle that is USEnet! This post chronicles my adventures installing and (mis)configuring the latest release of plan9 (R3). I will summarize it as follows: as usual, getting the hardware to work is 98% of success. Of course, you have to be able to tell it (plan9) what and where the hardware is, but that's the other two percent, huh :) Once I'd cobbled together the parts for a suitably old machine to set it up on, I got the baseline hardware working and was able to boot to the graphic install. The old dog is built up as follows: 486DX2 66 from Cyrix on an unknown MB w 32M ram 512M Conner HD (IDE) 36x CDROM LinkSys Ether16CT 10BT ethernet std 1.4M floppy SB16 audio std kb 2 button ser mouse Speedstar64 VGA with about 511K of memory on it (some of the pixels drop out ;^) Initial installs were done via locally-burned CD. The fifth and final install was performed over the ether and is installed on a native plan9 fat on the disk (it's the only partition). As I summarized, getting the hardware right has been most of the battle so far. This would have been no different for any other O/S. Getting the right VGA settings was nontrivial enough to educate me concerning getting the ethernet right. Jim (jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com) was an especially valuable resource here as well - Thanks Amigo! Now I have it pretty well going, except for a few issues involving networking. Can someone tell a bonehead how to configure the /lib/nbd/ for a small lan? The net is like this: 1 win95 box named tor at 192.168.1.4 1 dual boot win95/redhat box named nitro at 192.168.1.1 1 debian server named plastique at 192.168.1.2 1 winnt portable named dock at 192.168.1.3 1 standalone plan9 box named plan9 at 192.168.1.7 gateway is 192.168.1.254 dns is 151.164.1.7 and 151.164.1.8 the plan9 box (for now) needs to be everything plan9 on the lan (cpu server, file server and terminal) I'd be happy to share my current /lib/ndb/local* and /lib/ndb/common with you except that in my feeble attempts to configure it I've blown the box off the 'net. I know it's not a device problem cause it werked just fine when I downloaded the distribution archive. Plus it was pingable until I munged with /lib/nbd/* Thanks in advance for any assists! Cheers! James --upas-zsqhhknyoawpriwjdbkpwuhswy-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:35:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07755 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131rPa-0001Ff-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:11:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:06:30 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000613131151.366.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] time stamps Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I said: >>The kernel says: >>ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... And jmk replied: >despite the warning does the card work? Yes. I have confirmed just now. Thanks. By the way, time stamps are something curious. term% cd /sys/log term% ls -l a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 auth a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 cs a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 174 Jun 14 06:44 dns a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 ftp ... term% date; date -u Tue Jun 13 21:59:52 JST 2000 Tue Jun 13 12:59:52 GMT 2000 term% cat dns pc Jun 14 06:44:55 starting dns on 192.168.1.2 pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /net/ndb pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/local pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/common term% cat /adm/timezone/local JST 32400 JST 32400 term% where `pc' is a sysname of my home computer. # Time stamps are just 9 hours faster than local time in Japan! Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:40:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08021 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08016 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:40:17 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131440.KAA08016@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:40:14 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, forsyth@vitanuova.com, 9trouble@plan9.bell-labs.com Subject: [9fans] Re: auth/convkeys MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You're right about that. My fault. I've updated the man page and the release3 document. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:42:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08179 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:42:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from null.cc.uic.edu (root@null.pharm.uic.edu [128.248.76.23]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA08174 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (seva@localhost) by null.cc.uic.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01167 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:42:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:42:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Simon Epsteyn X-Sender: seva@null.cc.uic.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences In-Reply-To: <20000613033555.A1214@cyber-dyne.com> Message-ID: Organization: SV Technologies Corp. X-Foo: Bar MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Randolph Fritz wrote: > from a primary IDE slave disk (sdC1) with lilo? I have it working > from a boot floppy, but having it working from lilo would be really > cool. :) This really isn't a Plan 9 question, but try something like this in Linux: Add this to the end of lilo.conf: other=/dev/hdb1 label=plan9 table=/dev/hdb Where /dev/hdb1 is the partition where plan9 is install, you can use something ling "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" to list the partitions on the second IDE disk. Then re-run lilo. /Simon -- D0 Computing and Analysis Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:57:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08700 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:57:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08692 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: philw@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131457.KAA08692@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:57:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its He may be a genius, but he still can't get the name right. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 10:59:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08834 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:59:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08828 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:59:21 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000613143250.384.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Tue Jun 13 23:32:49 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, My Plan9 3'rd edition is running on the box in which I have 2'nd edition kfs. So I would like to read files in old kfs. Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? By the way, I have confirmeed that we can read files in 2'nd ed. file server. Thanks, Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 11:03:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09097 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09076 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131s2X-0001du-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:51:41 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:50:14 GMT From: Douglas Fraser Message-ID: <39464384.72F5B0F1@lucent.com> Organization: Lucent Technologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0901@symnt3.cadence.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nigel Roles wrote: > Someone has to occupy an extreme position, or we wouldn't > know where it was. > True, sort of like Patrick Buchaanan here in the USA. He acts as a nice bookmark to deliniate the political spectrum. RMS is the bookmark, nay, THE book, on free software. (not free beer...) -- Doug From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 11:06:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09342 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:06:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09333 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:06:19 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006131506.LAA09333@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:37:01 BST Subject: re: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? it was happy enough doing that on^U 3rd edition was happy enough doing that on my thinkpad's previously 2nd edition file system. something gave a sensible warning about the lack of a new-style partition, during boot, but things were fine after that. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 11:42:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10421 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:42:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10417 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131scS-0001zw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:28:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:27:01 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000613143250.384.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, My Plan9 3'rd edition is running on the box in which I have 2'nd edition kfs. So I would like to read files in old kfs. Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? By the way, I have confirmeed that we can read files in 2'nd ed. file server. Thanks, Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:01:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11178 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:01:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11170 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131sv0-0002BW-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:47:58 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:28:58 GMT From: Ng Pheng Siong Message-ID: <8i5idv$ur4$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> Organization: Dis Organisation, Inc. References: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu>, <006f01bfd0a9$862befa0$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Reply-To: Ng Pheng Siong Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu According to Dharani Vilwanathan : > Please check out http://www.bell-labs.com/news/2000/june/7/2.html The licence appears to be pages and pages of legalese. In plain English, is this Plan9 distro under GPL or some other licence? TIA. Cheers. -- Ng Pheng Siong * http://www.post1.com/home/ngps From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:08:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11487 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA11483 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006131608.MAA11483@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences From: "rob pike" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:08:42 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Question two: has anyone tried using Plan 9 to run a rendering farm? Not to my knowledge. However, Gerard Holzmann has a rack of 16 PCs (500MHz machines with .5GB RAM each, connected by 100Mbit ether) each running Plan 9 that he uses to farm out SPIN jobs (see spin(1)). A web page is used to submit and retrieve jobs; rc scripts distribute the calculations around the farm and cpu and import and of course the shared file server are used to pass data. The stats(1) display of all 16 machines running is very pretty. Works great in practice; it's used full time to verify software used in telephone and network switching equipment. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:16:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11842 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11820 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA17840; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006131616.MAA17840@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] time stamps From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:12:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu By the way, time stamps are something curious. That's likely because dns got started before aux/timesync had been started and gotten a chance to correct the machine's time. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:16:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11831 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11812 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA04517 Message-Id: <200006131615.MAA04517@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:18:50 -0400 To: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] accessing 2'nd ed. kfs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu My Plan9 3'rd edition is running on the box in which I have 2'nd edition kfs. So I would like to read files in old kfs. Is there any way to read 2'nd edition kfs from 3'rd edition Plan9 ? You need a way for the new system to get a partition configured pointing at your old kfs partition. If you just want to do it once, the easiest way is echo part oldfs 1234567 2345678 >/dev/sdC0/ctl where the numbers are those that you used in the old plan 9 partition table, and sdC0 is the disk it's on. After that, /dev/sdC0/oldfs will be that partition. If you want to have it come up automatically, you'll want to set up a Plan 9 partition in fdisk that starts at least two sectors before the kfs one and includes it, and then use disk/prep. This is getting to be bad magic; it's more straightforward to access it once as described above and copy either the partition or the data to a new setup. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:16:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA11844 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA11816 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA14957 Message-Id: <200006131616.MAA14957@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> To: randolph@cyber-dyne.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:27:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu If your 9fat partition is not on sdC0, replace /rc/bin/9fat: with the following fixed version, which will be in the next package. --- #!/bin/rc rfork e part=`{ls /dev/sd*/9fat >[2]/dev/null} if(~ $#part 0) { echo 'no 9fat partition found' >[1=2] exit no.9fat } part=$part(1) if(! test -f /srv/dos) dossrv >/dev/null [2]/dev/null unmount /n/9fat >/dev/null >[2]/dev/null mount -c /srv/dos /n/9fat $part --- Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:20:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12258 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:20:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12252 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA08404 Message-Id: <200006131620.MAA08404@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, jsh0ck@my-deja.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 Installation Question! From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:17:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I suggest installing Windows, then Linux, then Plan 9. In particular, that gives Windows the chance to set the implicit C/H/S numbers it wants to use in the fdisk partition table, and Linux and Plan 9 will follow its lead. Plan 9 also knows how to customize the Windows boot menu to list Plan 9. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:27:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12608 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:27:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bromine.myriadgate.net (openbsd.myriadgate.net [139.142.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12594 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25977 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 16:24:54 -0000 Received: from xenon.myriadgate.net (HELO mail.usask.ca) (andrey@192.168.120.7) by bromine.myriadgate.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 16:24:54 -0000 Message-ID: <39466054.5262DDF4@mail.usask.ca> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:24:52 -0600 From: Andrey Mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Even more beginner questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I had problems with up the network on my machine: issuing ip/ipconfig with all the proper settings seemed to be of no use -- no packets will go through the gateway (no DHCP setup on my local network). I had to change the termrc script and add the ipconfig options there. DNS is still not working but I haven't had a chance to try the suggestions given this morning. Had my first crash -- killed rio (with the kill command), reset $vgasize to 1280x1024x16 (it was 1024x78x16) and restarted rio. Instead of the usual message "no such monitor/resolution" I got a dump of the registers and follishly forgot to write it down. now the question: I seem to be unable to find the much touted "Programmer's Manual". /sys/doc/ contains only bits and pieces and even though the C Compiler tutorial is quite useful I would like to avoid the digging in man pages in order to go beyond the 'hello world'... Or maybe I shouldn't? :) Thanx for any response... PS: loved `{whois root} :) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:46:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13239 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:46:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131tpW-0002e9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:46:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:41:40 GMT From: bs Message-ID: <3946FB4F.1AF9761E@ca.com> Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1E485299309FD211A2100090271E27A401AF0904@symnt3.cadence.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] AHA-2940 and P9 install Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have. I found a Tekram 390F card for a good price ($60) and placed an order for it. Hey, Plan-9 has moved the economic entropy by another point... Nigel Roles wrote: > > SOL I'm afraid. Well until an Adaptec driver gets written anyway. > > The fallback position, as always, is to buy an NCR/Symbios/LSI Logic > based controller. > > -----Original Message----- > From: bs [mailto:balaji@mediaone.net] > Sent: 13 June 2000 10:10 > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: [9fans] AHA-2940 and P9 install > > If I have a AHA-2940 PCI SCSI card, am I SOL? > > I was able to boot w/ the floppy and it looks way cool... though I cannot do > any installs after that :-( > > Anything I can do? > > thx, From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 12:47:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13323 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:47:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13297 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA13272; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006131647.MAA13272@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Even more beginner questions From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:43:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Had my first crash -- killed rio (with the kill command), reset $vgasize to 1280x1024x16 (it was 1024x78x16) and restarted rio. Instead of the usual message "no such monitor/resolution" I got a dump of the registers and follishly forgot to write it down. Don't do that. Once the draw driver gets used after putting the screen in some resolution, you can't change resolutions without just rebooting. It's something I'd, in an ideal world, like to see fixed, but it's also very hard and, done right, involves the kernel in things it shouldn't be involved in (screen resize messages). now the question: I seem to be unable to find the much touted "Programmer's Manual". /sys/doc/ contains only bits and pieces and even The Programmer's Manual is Volume 1, the man pages. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 14:59:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17027 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:59:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA17022 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05695 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:59:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006131859.OAA05695@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Alef functionality..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I reacall it being mentioned that thread/channel functionality of old-Alef has been put in library for C programs? What is the name of library and where can I find the call details? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 15:27:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA17838 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:27:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA17833 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006131927.PAA17833@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:27:16 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Alef functionality..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu thread(2) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 17:14:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA20966 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:14:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA20961 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006132114.RAA20961@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 released From: "rob pike" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:13:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The licence appears to be pages and pages of legalese. In plain English, is this Plan9 distro under GPL or some other licence? Some fonts in the distribution are covered by the GPL. The rest is covered by the Lucent Technologies Inc. Plan 9 Open Source License Agreement, whose title an accurate description of what it is. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 17:16:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21103 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:16:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (root@gsyc.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.45]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21089 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es (root@bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.36]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA25786 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:15:57 +0200 From: Pedro de-las-Heras-Quiros Received: (from pheras@localhost) by bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id XAA01561; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:15:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:15:59 +0200 (CEST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: re: [9fans] Open but not free In-Reply-To: <200006131325.JAA05517@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006131325.JAA05517@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14662.40810.23349.934977@bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id RAA21090 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu bwc@borf.com writes: > Now that RMS will ``have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine'' > I feel that the software release has been a complete success! The release of Plan 9 sources is cool if done well. But it seems that the licensing terms used cause problems to the "free (libre) software" and "Open Source" communities: perhaps the Plan 9 license does not qualify as Open Source according to the Open Source Guidelines of the Open Source Initiative, what among other things means that legally, Plan 9 could not be called "Open Source". And it is obvious that there are people in the free software community, like Richard Stallman, who don't like the license used by Bell Labs for releasing the source code. You can consider that licensing issues is a loss of time or you can not. But you'll agree with me that ad hominem arguments or ironic jokes against Richard Stallman or whoever, is certainly a loss of time. I am interested in the licensing terms of Plan 9 and so I would like to hear reasons and not rants and jokes about the "blessing" of Stallman. For example, I would like to hear from Bell Labs people if they are talking with the Open Source Initiative, or other parties, in order to design a better license for Plan 9. If you consider this is not a list where such matters must be debated, tell me and I'll not disturb. Best regards, -- Pedro de-las-Heras-Quiros | email: pheras@acm.org Grupo de Sistemas y Comunicaciones (GSyC) | tlf: (+34)-91-664-74-68 Dpto. Ciencias Experimentales e Ingeniería Universidad Rey Juan Carlos--ESCET. C/ Tulipan s/n.Mostoles E-28933 Spain From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 17:28:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21566 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:28:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21559 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8903 invoked by uid 991); 13 Jun 2000 21:28:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613212818.8901.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free In-Reply-To: Message from Pedro de-las-Heras-Quiros of "Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:15:59 +0200." <14662.40810.23349.934977@bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:28:18 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > If you consider this is not a list where such matters must be debated, > tell me and I'll not disturb. I would rather not see arguments about licencing on the list. The newsgroup gnu.misc.discuss is probably a more appropriate venue for that sort of thing. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 17:36:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21860 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:36:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pop.ajubasolutions.com (pop.ajubasolutions.com [209.24.201.136]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21851 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from khaavren (khaavren.ajubasolutions.com [206.184.219.53]) by pop.ajubasolutions.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25344 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000613143838.00d3e410@mail1.ajubasolutions.com> X-Sender: berry@mail1.ajubasolutions.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:39:58 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Berry Kercheval Subject: re: [9fans] Open but not free In-Reply-To: <14662.40810.23349.934977@bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es> References: <200006131325.JAA05517@cse.psu.edu> <200006131325.JAA05517@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu At 11:15 PM 06/13/2000 +0200, Pedro de-las-Heras-Quiros wrote: >perhaps the Plan 9 >license does not qualify as Open Source according to the Open Source >Guidelines of the Open Source Initiative, what among other things >means that legally, Plan 9 could not be called "Open Source". I was not aware that there was a legally constituted person (whether a natural person or a corporation) that held a trademark on the term "Open Source"; absent that, I think anyone can call anything at all "Open Source" with nothing more to fear than derision from the community. I could be wrong, though. --berry -- Berry Kercheval :: Ajuba Solutions :: http://www.ajubasolutions.com Berry@ajubasolutions.com (Formerly Scriptics Corp.) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 17:55:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22398 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:55:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22394 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 14:44:59 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3946AAA1.5FE04DE4@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:41:54 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 install problems. References: <39426A93.727AC269@sunflower.com> <3945785b@news.cmich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is there a place where this can be configured as the default, with a timeout? I'd like to see my Plan 9 boxen boot unattended for various reasons I can't really seem to support technically just now =^) -James ishwar@delhi.cps.cmich.edu wrote: > Steven Fines wrote: > > Hello all, > > After I completed the plan 9 install and wrote an MBR for it, I rebooted > > and it came up to the following line: > > > root is from(il, local)[local!#f0/fd0disk]: > > try > local!#S/sdC0/fs > at the above prompt.. > > - ishwar __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 18:11:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22882 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:11:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA22878 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006132211.SAA22878@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:11:12 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] time stamps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-cwqgeuteamkxasqybflqrwneib" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-cwqgeuteamkxasqybflqrwneib Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is knowing what the time it is at boot. The file system disk/kfs is started before the system knows anything about the local time. The system starts out with the local time as the last change time of the root of the file system. Later on, the system figures out the real time via ntp and from that point on everything (file creation, etc) should have reasonable time stamps. This is a consequence of a change made since the previous release. There was much pain caused by our using the real time clock on the PC's as our source of GMT time. Microsoft keeps that clock in local time, literally. That is, they advance or retard it to correspond with daylight savings time. Only windows can make this switch since they record the info somewhere on their file system so that they won't repeat it. When we set the clock to GMT and used it as a GMT clock, we confused Windows. When we left it alone, we only knew within an hour what the right time since we didn't know when Windows had last done a savings time correction. This doesn't bother us much since we generally run our machines diskless off of a central file server and usually get the initial time from that central server. It's off by at most a second since it stays up between the reboots of its clients and does use a real time clock as a GMT source. I think a better fall back position is possible. I'm open to suggestions. --upas-cwqgeuteamkxasqybflqrwneib Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Jun 13 10:51:12 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Tue Jun 13 10:51:11 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA07847; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:35:12 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA07755 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 131rPa-0001Ff-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:11:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:06:30 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000613131151.366.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] time stamps Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, I said: >>The kernel says: >>ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... And jmk replied: >despite the warning does the card work? Yes. I have confirmed just now. Thanks. By the way, time stamps are something curious. term% cd /sys/log term% ls -l a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 auth a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 cs a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 174 Jun 14 06:44 dns a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 ftp ... term% date; date -u Tue Jun 13 21:59:52 JST 2000 Tue Jun 13 12:59:52 GMT 2000 term% cat dns pc Jun 14 06:44:55 starting dns on 192.168.1.2 pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /net/ndb pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/local pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/common term% cat /adm/timezone/local JST 32400 JST 32400 term% where `pc' is a sysname of my home computer. # Time stamps are just 9 hours faster than local time in Japan! Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp --upas-cwqgeuteamkxasqybflqrwneib-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 18:13:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23025 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:13:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp4.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.84]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23020 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp4.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id SAA12426 Message-Id: <200006132213.SAA12426@smtp4.fas.harvard.edu> To: alteridentity@yahoo.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 install problems. From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:09:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Yes, see plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/errata.html. You need to remove the bootargs= line in your plan9.ini file. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 18:38:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23605 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:38:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail014.mail.onemain.com (SMTP-OUT001.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.71]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA23600 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11974 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 22:37:39 -0000 Received: from 209-239-208-41.stk.jps.net (HELO pkwksj.sjna.corp.dom) ([209.239.208.41]) (envelope-sender ) by mail014.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 13 Jun 2000 22:37:39 -0000 From: "kim kubik" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:39:27 -0700 Message-ID: <01bfd588$3b7d5000$29d0efd1@pkwksj.sjna.corp.dom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu RMS is really just PO'd about the man page for emacs in the p9/commands/emacs section. Notice James Gosling seems to have a sense of humor vis-a-vis the sam tutorial, that is, he hasn't jumped in here ranting. - kim -----Original Message----- From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free >> If you consider this is not a list where such matters must be debated, >> tell me and I'll not disturb. > >I would rather not see arguments about licencing on the list. The >newsgroup gnu.misc.discuss is probably a more appropriate venue for >that sort of thing. > > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 18:44:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA23843 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:43:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA23838 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 15:43:52 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3946B872.66C26B58@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:40:51 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take References: <200006131422.KAA07293@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu By any chance could the referenced "turd" =^) be causing my system to use dhcp in spite of my other configuration efforts? There is dhcp on my network somewhere... Even after syncing my /lib/ndb/local with your suggestions, the system comes up addressed at 192.168.1.5 instead of 192.168.1.7. I determined this by looking at /net/iptab and /net/iproute and then attempting a ping of both the .5 and .7 addresses. The machine is on .5 Thanks Man! James presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > If you have a DHCP server on your net, you'ld get most of the > entry for your system by cating /net/ndb which is a turd > our ipconfig leaves around for other programs to use. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 19:10:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24461 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:10:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24457 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:10:15 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006132310.TAA24457@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:10:12 -0400 To: alteridentity@yahoo.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu netstat -in or cat /net/ipifc/*/status will show you what your address really is, what it thinks the network mask is, etc. Someone may indeed be answering your dhcp requests. If you want to see what dhcp is learning, you can run by hand ip/ipconfig -dDn It'll print out the results of the dhcp steps. you'll see the server giving you info. You cat see the final results of the dhcp with cat /net/ndb Finally, to override dhcp completely, change the ipconfig entry in your /rc/bin/termrc with: ip/ipconfig -g xxx 192.168.1.7 255.255.255.0 here xxx is the ip address of your gateway. I forgot was it was in your previous message From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 19:13:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24657 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:13:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24651 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006132313.TAA24651@cse.psu.edu> Subject: re: [9fans] Open but not free Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:13:38 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu [Disclaimer: in spite of the email address, I am not a member of the group that developed Plan 9. Any opinions expressed here are mine alone]. [snip] > perhaps the Plan 9 > license does not qualify as Open Source according to the Open Source > Guidelines of the Open Source Initiative [snip] > > And it is obvious that there are people in the free software > community, like Richard Stallman, who don't like the license used by > Bell Labs for releasing the source code. I don't see what Richard Stallman's opinions have to do with the OSI's definition at http://www.opensource.org/osd.html. The latter doesn't seem too controversial; can anyone see any reason why the Plan 9 license wouldn't satisfy their definition? And yes, apparently they do have ``Open Source'' trademarked... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 19:35:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA25261 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:35:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA25255 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0R.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.177]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22826 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:34:16 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01294 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:35:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:35:24 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Beginner question and experiences Message-ID: <20000613163524.A1171@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20000613033555.A1214@cyber-dyne.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from seva@fnal.gov on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 09:42:10AM -0500 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 09:42:10AM -0500, Simon Epsteyn wrote: > > Add this to the end of lilo.conf: > other=/dev/hdb1 > label=plan9 > table=/dev/hdb > > Where /dev/hdb1 is the partition where plan9 is install, you can use > something ling "fdisk -l /dev/hdb" to list the partitions on the second > IDE disk. > Thanks. I tried this, and got a complaint saying that the system couldn't load DOS. A look at the lilo docs suggests that lilo first loads a boot loader of its own (chain.b) to load DOS, and that doesn't work with, at least, my installation of Plan 9. Has anyone dealt with this problem? -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 20:15:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26127 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:15:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA26121 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 17:15:42 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3946CDF4.F81F713C@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:12:36 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] A bunch of disparate questions about things I seemed to have missed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, 9fans. I got a whole bunch of little questions for ya. This stuff really ought to be FAQ, but I didn't see it anywhere. Here's tonight's top 10: 1. I have a two button mouse. Is it the middle button I dont have that operates cut and paste? 2. A web browser seems to be missing for the terminal server (did I state that right? :) whassup with that? 3. Are there user groups? Who's got the big list? is there one in the Houston area? 4. Where can I learn to type 8 1/2 in unicode? (did I ask that right? :) 5. Can Plan 9 help me kick tobacco? 6. Does a working configuration provide free beer? 7. I seem to have a good /lib/ndb/ configuration going (thanks presotto!) but still I got network issues. What other things should I investigate & tweak? 8. Provided I do the required configuration work, can my (properly configured) Plan 9 system see ftp stuff on my linux boxen in an authorized user's namespace? 9. Is there a Plan 9 FAQ-O-MATIC anywhere? and finally 10. Can rc grok lojban? I have some heady observations about Plan 9, the most of which are very positive. However I wish to learn more about it before I make them available. I have all ideas that my impressions will improve still more with better understanding of the technology. Cheers! James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 20:17:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA26247 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:17:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA26239 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 17:17:08 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3946CE50.65857A8F@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:14:08 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com CC: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Experiences Installing Version 3: Another Take References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Dude that's pure beauty. Muchas Gracias Amigo! -James presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > netstat -in > or > cat /net/ipifc/*/status > > will show you what your address > really is, what it thinks the network mask is, etc. > > Someone may indeed be answering your dhcp requests. If you > want to see what dhcp is learning, you can run by hand > > ip/ipconfig -dDn > > It'll print out the results of the dhcp steps. you'll see the > server giving you info. You cat see the final results of > the dhcp with > > cat /net/ndb > > Finally, to override dhcp completely, change the ipconfig entry > in your /rc/bin/termrc with: > > ip/ipconfig -g xxx 192.168.1.7 255.255.255.0 > > here xxx is the ip address of your gateway. I forgot was it was > in your previous message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free References: <200006132313.TAA24651@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > [Disclaimer: in spite of the email address, I am not a member of the > group that developed Plan 9. Any opinions expressed here are mine > alone]. > > [snip] > > perhaps the Plan 9 > > license does not qualify as Open Source according to the Open Source > > Guidelines of the Open Source Initiative > [snip] > > > > And it is obvious that there are people in the free software > > community, like Richard Stallman, who don't like the license used by > > Bell Labs for releasing the source code. > > I don't see what Richard Stallman's opinions have to do with the > OSI's definition at http://www.opensource.org/osd.html. The > latter doesn't seem too controversial; can anyone see any reason > why the Plan 9 license wouldn't satisfy their definition? > > And yes, apparently they do have ``Open Source'' trademarked... Actually, the people at OSI probably don't see what RMS' opinions have to with the definition either. Last I heard, they were hardly of a single mind about anything with RMS... James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 20:58:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27151 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:58:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27146 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006140058.UAA27146@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A bunch of disparate questions about things I seemed to have missed From: "rob pike" Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:58:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu 1. I have a two button mouse. Is it the middle button I dont have that operates cut and paste? Yes. Plan 9 really works well only with a three-button mouse. In the meantime, Shift-Right-button will simulate a middle button, but that is inadequate for Acme. 2. A web browser seems to be missing for the terminal server (did I state that right? :) whassup with that? It's a very long story, but the short version is that yes, it's missing. We hope to provide one before too long, but don't let that hold you back if you have an idea. 3. Are there user groups? Who's got the big list? is there one in the Houston area? Someone mentioned Austin. That's nearby, for Texas. 4. Where can I learn to type 8 1/2 in unicode? (did I ask that right? :) man 6 keyboard or http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/6/keyboard 5. Can Plan 9 help me kick tobacco? Probably not. It hasn't help us kick coffee. 6. Does a working configuration provide free beer? Only if you have at least one I/O device we don't support. 7. I seem to have a good /lib/ndb/ configuration going (thanks presotto!) but still I got network issues. What other things should I investigate & tweak? Whatever seems like fun. But first, go to the store and buy a 3-button mouse. 8. Provided I do the required configuration work, can my (properly configured) Plan 9 system see ftp stuff on my linux boxen in an authorized user's namespace? Yes. 9. Is there a Plan 9 FAQ-O-MATIC anywhere? The Plan 9 FAQ needs work. and finally 10. Can rc grok lojban? Perhaps. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 21:03:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27348 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:03:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA27338 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA09040 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:15:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:15:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] User Groups - Austin, Tx. In-Reply-To: <200006140058.UAA27146@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu http://einstein.ssz.com/hangar18/index.html It's open to anyone, even if you don't live in Austin. I'll be setting up a physical meet in a couple, three weeks. I'd be happy to carry a list of other user groups. ____________________________________________________________________ The future is downloading. Can you hear the impact? O[rphan] D[rift>] Cyber Positive The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 13 23:01:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29716 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:01:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29712 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10602 invoked by uid 991); 14 Jun 2000 03:01:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614030103.10601.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> From: "Scott Schwartz" Date: 13 Jun 2000 23:01:03 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] improvement to ssh Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu If you run ssh under vt, ssh ought to pay attention to the environment variables it sets for LINES and COLS. term% diff /sys/src/cmd/ssh/cmd/client_messages.c . 393a394,404 > static int > int_env(char *key, int dflt) > { > int ival; > char *eval = getenv(key); > if (eval) > if (ival=atoi(eval)) > return ival; > return dflt; > } > 409c420 < --- > 411,412c422,423 < putlong(packet, 24); /* rows */ < putlong(packet, 80); /* columns */ --- > putlong(packet, int_env("LINES", 24)); /* rows */ > putlong(packet, int_env("COLS", 80)); /* columns */ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 00:16:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA01186 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:16:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01175 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11067 invoked by uid 991); 14 Jun 2000 04:16:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000614041611.11066.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> From: "Scott Schwartz" Date: 14 Jun 2000 00:16:11 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] more stress testing Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Just to exercise things, I wrote a little program to calloc 1MB as many times as it could. After about 80, (I have 64MB ram, similar swap) it fell into a Broken state. Moreover, nothing else could get any memory after that, so it was impossible to run broke|rc. (At that point I really wished that echo was a shell builtin!) Attempting to open a new window caused rio to die. Then init tried to fork a new shell, failed, and died. Panic, ktrace. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:02:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04628 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04614 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13292E-0002hM-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:30 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:58:07 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39471E50.84627F4D@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <39456CC4.84DFE0A9@esatclear.ie> Subject: [9fans] Re: vgadb Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ggunning wrote: > I think I am meant to now edit the vgadb file > do I do this to the image before I put it on the floppy or at > the % prompt. Edit the VGADB file on the floppy; you can use a DOS or Windows text editor to do this. Once Plan 9 is installed, edit /lib/vgadb (which is not a copy of the file from the floppy). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:02:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04642 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04619 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328ul-0002Yn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:47 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:52:30 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <394718C9.8C7CB22F@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: mounting Plan9 fs on linux Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu CLint Davis wrote: > Note- with rio not working I have no way to edit ... There *is* the "ed" editor; I've used it for a few things. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:02:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04671 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04624 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328uk-0002Yh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:46 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:52:08 GMT From: abhay puri Message-ID: <3947DB04.F2094ED2@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] listen qlen Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu how do i increase the number of concurrent tcp connections that can be handled. i compiled the echo server example in the announce man page, then hammered it with connect requests from a nearby linux pc. found it was getting a lot of "connection refused" responses. similarly with the http server - 10 rapid fire GET requests yields 2-3 connection refused responses. what parameters should i be playing with to improve this? many thanks -abhay From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:02:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04697 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04640 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328uj-0002YU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:45 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:51:08 GMT From: abhay puri Message-ID: <3947D464.E143F8E3@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] smb? nat? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu things are looking nice. i'd like to make plan9 my main server, so i was wondering: is there - a samba server - a NAT (so that non plan9 pcs can share the modem connection) for plan9 also is there a url with current projects/work in progress (like the sourceforge one for linux) for plan9? thanks -abhay From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:02:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04698 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04630 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328uk-0002Yb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:46 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:51:26 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <394717BD.58E79E16@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1719cf6f.8ee9f2e4@usw-ex0102-016.remarq.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: Compare Plan9/Linux/xxxBSD Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu bad_packet wrote: > ... Have read some of the documentation, however still a bit > fuzy on "why" one would use it ... If you read the introductory paper that is the first one in Vol. 2 of the documentation (available on-line at the Plan 9 Web site) and still don't see its advantages, then probably you'd be wasting your time worrying any further about it. John Carmack has been quoted as calling Plan 9 "achingly beautiful".. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:03:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04747 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328uh-0002YB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:49:59 GMT From: Christopher Browne Message-ID: Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing References: <14662.40810.23349.934977@bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es>, <4.2.0.58.20000613143838.00d3e410@mail1.ajubasolutions.com> Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Berry Kercheval would say: >At 11:15 PM 06/13/2000 +0200, Pedro de-las-Heras-Quiros wrote: >>perhaps the Plan 9 >>license does not qualify as Open Source according to the Open Source >>Guidelines of the Open Source Initiative, what among other things >>means that legally, Plan 9 could not be called "Open Source". > >I was not aware that there was a legally constituted person (whether a >natural person or a corporation) that held a trademark on the term "Open >Source"; absent that, I think anyone can call anything at all "Open Source" >with nothing more to fear than derision from the community. > >I could be wrong, though. You would indeed be incorrect. You might want to look at . -- cbbrowne@hex.net - "I don't plan to maintain it, just to install it." -- Richard M. Stallman From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:12:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04834 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04724 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13292A-0002gn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:56:24 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39471960.CB4F0C62@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: [9fans] Re: shutdown -h now Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu jim wrote: > To shut down the system, type disk/kfscmd halt. > Then turn off the power. > Is this it? Yes. (Turning off the power is optional.) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:14:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04848 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04737 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13292B-0002gu-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:56:50 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3947184B.740688D8@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8hrjmo$di6$1@cnn.Princeton.EDU> Subject: [9fans] Re: escape from vga hell? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Martin Harriss wrote: > ... I wondered if it would be possible to write a driver for > 16-color vga mode. Russ and I discussed how this could be done, but somebody has to *do* it. It would require two kludges: (1) map 8-bit general graphics interface into 4-bit pixels (2) provide software cursor From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:16:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04894 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:04:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04769 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13292E-0002hF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:30 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:57:45 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3947200B.A9F8FEAB@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006071551.LAA27375@cse.psu.edu>, <006f01bfd0a9$862befa0$3887b487@dnrc.belllabs.com>, <8i5idv$ur4$1@clematis.singnet.com.sg> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 released Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Ng Pheng Siong wrote: > The licence appears to be pages and pages of legalese. In plain > English, is this Plan9 distro under GPL or some other licence? The latter. You're required to read it and agree to it before acquiring the distribution. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:18:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04860 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:04:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13292B-0002h1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:57:09 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39471B78.DFA2B15@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006111850.OAA13095@cse.psu.edu>, <3944C467.9891568F@yorvic.york.ac.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Leo Caves wrote: > bunny: faster, more (re)productive (effective plumbing?), > extensive networks, prone to colonisation, cuddly. I was wondering: are those *feet*, or... > penguin: rather slow and unstable (on land), limited area of operation, > rather formal attire(?) but works great under water! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:20:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04811 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04696 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132928-0002gb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:52:51 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3947192A.CCDEBDD8@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <3941BBD8.176E60D1@null.net> Subject: [9fans] Re: A few questions about the new release Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu "Douglas A. Gwyn" wrote: > Bill Dodd wrote: > > ... The only one that I've been able find that is still on the > > market is the ATI Xpert 98 (PCI, 8MB, Mach64 based I believe). > It's actually based on the ATI Rage Pro chip, but supposedly the > Plan9 MACH64 driver supports it. Sure enough, it has been working fine! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:22:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04871 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:04:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04761 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13292D-0002h8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:29 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:57:24 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39471AE0.FF420FB0@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <394491DA.47595B6F@sprintmail.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: STB Velocity 128 Support? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu "Daniel E. Doherty" wrote: > I boot, but my STB Velocity 128 is not recognized. I see Velocity > 64 in the vgadb, so I'm hoping its an easy fix. An edit to the db? What happens if you use Velocity 64 drivers with that card under Windows? If that works, then it is likely that all you need to do is to make the obvious edit to vgadb (use the debugging dump to find a characteristic identifying string and add the entry in the obvious way). Once the installation is complete, make the same edit to the installed /lib/vgadb. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:25:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04799 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04681 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328ui-0002YI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:44 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:50:21 GMT From: Christopher Browne Message-ID: Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing References: <200006131325.JAA05517@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when bwc@borf.com would say: >Now that RMS will ``have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine'' >I feel that the software release has been a complete success! I don't have _such_ a negative opinion towards RMS, but I'd tend to agree with this; if RMS feels the need to make any comment at all about Plan 9, that is likely to establish its credibility amongst some. Saying, "Don't use it!" indicates that there's something there worthy of looking at... -- cbbrowne@hex.net - And me, with this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:27:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04787 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04670 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328ug-0002Y5-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:42 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:49:29 GMT From: technofiend@my-deja.com Message-ID: <8i6jav$qb3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] Compaq Prof. Wkstn. 5000 and Plan 9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have a Compaq 5000 Professional Workstation with dual Pentium Pro II CPUs and internal SCSI and IDE adaptors. Solaris 8 installation proved problematic because Solaris could not see my SCSI drive despite DOS and Windows 98 doing so. Now it seems Plan 9 has the same problem. Using Compaq's inspect, it appeared the IDE controller was IRQ 15, and the Network, SCSI controller and Matrox all shared IRQ 11. Fiddling with things, I managed to get all devices onto seperate IRQs, but pickdisk still fails with "No disk devices were found on your system." Plan 9 appears to recognise the controller because it prints dev A0 config 85C0 capabilities 0F00 mwdma 0103 dma 00000001 rwm 0 sd53c8xx: SYM53C875 rev. 0x03 intr=10 command=2000157 at boot time, and also "sd53c8xx: differential mode set" 16 times, suggesting once for each target since it is a wide controller. I have set debug=1 in the plan9.ini as the troubleshooting manual suggests, but it didn't help much. Pressing Control-R at boot time does not appear to generate any extra debugging information for the SCSI probing. Since my CDROM is IDE and my hard drive is SCSI, is plan 9 perhaps finding the CDROM first and assuming my hard drive must be IDE also? The CDROM can be removed from the system, but there is no way to disable the IDE controller on the motherboard. Setting boot order in the BIOS setup and specifying the SCSI hard drive did not help. Any suggestions other than finding an IDE hard drive and connecting it in place of the CDROM? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:27:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04856 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04703 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132929-0002gh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:00:25 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:53:24 GMT From: Shamim Mohamed Message-ID: <3947177F.88C83755@drones.nospam.com> Organization: The Drones Club Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Installation problem: aux/vga can't handle ATI Rage II Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, all! I'm trying to bring up Plan 9 on an intel PC. It has an "ATI 3D Rage II" video card according to the information printed by Windows. It says the chip type is "ATI 3D RAGE IIC (GT-B3U1)" and the DAC type is "ATI Internal DAC"; it has 4 MB. It looks like it recognises the video card but then something goes horribly wrong. Here's the plan9.ini: *nomp=1 distname=plan9 ether0=type=elnk3 monitor=p815 mouseport=ps2 audio0=type=sb16 bootargs=local!#f0/fd0disk bootfile=fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/960922775.cta2mgqjhd3byttiju4xkcmmth6a5zz6 And here's vgainfo.txt: main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 16777216 vga apz 0 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC00E7=MACH64GVPCIM mach64xx->dump mach64xx flag 0x20|Fsnarf mach64xx pci 2e3f0 regtable pciregs io ec00 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp FFFFFFFF mach64xx HSyncStrtWid FFFFFFFF mach64xx VTotalDisp FFFFFFFF mach64xx VSyncStrtWid FFFFFFFF mach64xx VlineCrntVline FFFFFFFF mach64xx OffPitch FFFFFFFF mach64xx IntCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx CrtcGenCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx OvrClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx OvrWidLR FFFFFFFF mach64xx OvrWidTB FFFFFFFF mach64xx CurClr0 FFFFFFFF mach64xx CurClr1 FFFFFFFF mach64xx CurOffset FFFFFFFF mach64xx CurHVposn FFFFFFFF mach64xx CurHVoff FFFFFFFF mach64xx ScratchReg0 FFFFFFFF mach64xx ScratchReg1 FFFFFFFF mach64xx ClockCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx BusCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx MemCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx ExtMemCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx MemVgaWpSel FFFFFFFF mach64xx MemVgaRpSel FFFFFFFF mach64xx DacRegs FFFFFFFF mach64xx DacCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx GenTestCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx ConfigCntl FFFFFFFF mach64xx ConfigChipId FFFFFFFF mach64xx ConfigStat0 FFFFFFFF mach64xx ConfigStat1 FFFFFFFF mach64xx DspConfig FFFFFFFF mach64xx DspOnOff FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdData FFFFFFFF mach64xx PLL FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF - FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF mach64xx VCLK0 2386363 mach64xx VCLK1 2386363 mach64xx VCLK2 2386363 mach64xx VCLK3 2386363 rom table offset FC freq table offset 68A memclk 60000000 ref_freq 14320000 ref_divider 31 min_freq 9840000 max_freq 235000000 pd 3 value 4 (|7) post = 12 mach64xx pixel clock = 39260000 sequencer->enter on sequencer->leave on mach64xx: undocumented linear aperture size (No newline at the end of the last line) I hope someone can help! Thanks, -s From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 05:29:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04836 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:03:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04648 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1328uj-0002YO-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:52:45 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:50:46 GMT From: Kris Van Hees Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Reply-To: kvanhees@quarterleaf.com Subject: [9fans] Now I do need help Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Ok, so trying to get Plan9 to work under VMWare was a bad idea. So far VMWare has not been very responsive (read: not) to my requests for information about the video controller (etc) they emulate, and their vmware-tools version of the XFree86 server is proprietary apparantly, so no luck there either. That said, I tried getting Plan9 to boot natively on my Dell Inspiron 7500, with no luck either. After trying about every combination I can imagine of monitor setting (it recognizes the video controller without any problem) to get the LCD to work (which is natively a 1280x1024 LCD), I'm kind of at a loss. For one, what confuses me a bit is that aux/vga reports the pixel clock to be 188.06MHz while XFree86 seems to conclude that by default it is set to 94.03. Amazingly enough that's exactly half, so perhaps there is some divider problem somewhere? Without further delay, there is the vgainfo and vgadb. Not ethat I only listed the relevant parts of vgadb. And the part that is commented out... Well, I did try with those specifications listed and that didn;t help zip. That's why I tried without :) Kris PS: According to the Mach64 driver in XFree86 (after digging some source code), it is possible to look for the LCD dimensions in the video BIOS. Would that be a possible enhancement to aux/vga that could be considered, thereby pretty much avoiding needing any explicit specification of the monitor settings? VGAINFO ------- main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vga->dump vga misc 27 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 71 4F 4F 95 54 82 B8 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 00 90 83 8F 28 1F 8F B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 8388608 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64LM mach64xx->dump mach64xx pci 2e450 regtable pciregs io 2000 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F0071 mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 00020054 mach64xx VTotalDisp 018F01B8 mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 00030190 mach64xx VlineCrntVline 013203FF mach64xx OffPitch 0A000000 mach64xx IntCntl 80000134 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 02402200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 FFFFFFFF mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00078000 mach64xx CurHVposn 0008002F mach64xx CurHVoff 00300030 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04100400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 008C0002 mach64xx BusCntl 7333A001 mach64xx MemCntl 10C57A3B mach64xx ExtMemCntl E0000C81 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF0040 mach64xx DacCntl 8601200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00003F42 mach64xx ConfigChipId 64004C4D mach64xx ConfigStat0 00C00095 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 00570552 mach64xx DspOnOff 03FE0528 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000407 mach64xx LcdData 00006000 mach64xx PLL 8C AC 40 4C 87 03 D5 CC - CC CC 00 89 80 1B 00 00 0E CF 40 00 50 F6 AC 03 - 40 00 24 FD 00 00 00 02 mach64xx LCD ConfigPanel 100340F4 mach64xx LCD GenCntl 407524DE mach64xx LCD DstnCntl 00000000 mach64xx LCD HfbPitchAddr 00000F00 mach64xx LCD HorzStretch C9F007FF mach64xx LCD VertStretch 80000000 mach64xx LCD ExtVertStretch 005FFE00 mach64xx LCD LtGio 00006000 mach64xx LCD PowerMngmnt 0200040B mach64xx LCD ZvgPio 02000000 mach64xx VCLK0 45639199 mach64xx VCLK1 45639199 mach64xx VCLK2 45639199 mach64xx VCLK3 0 rom table offset 104 freq table offset A78 memclk 125000000 ref_freq 29500000 ref_divider 64 min_freq 9840000 max_freq 236000000 pd 1 value 0 (|1) post = 2 mach64xx pixel clock = 188060000 vmf 188060000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init mach64xx->init rom table offset 104 freq table offset A78 memclk 12500 memclk 12500... x 5.317452...t 5... xprec 3...fifosz 170.158460...fprec 8...prec 3...afifosz 32...fifooff 163.000000...pfc 7...rcc 9...fifoon 35.000000... dbdumpmode type=sxga, size=1280x1024x8 frequency=188060000 x=1280 (0x500), y=1024 (0x400), z=8 (0x8) ht=0 (0x0), shb=0 (0x0), ehb=0 (0x0) shs=0 (0x0), ehs=0 (0x0) vt=0 (0x0), vrs=0 (0x0), vre=0 (0x0) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc 23 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt FFFB 9FFFFF 80 00 00FFFE 73 - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 203FF A0 60 00 01 A3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 45639199 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 64 vga clock[0] n p q r 204 2 - 0 0 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 8388608 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC0000-0xC0200=MACH64LM mach64xx->dump mach64xx flag Ulinear|Uenhanced|Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf mach64xx pci 2e450 regtable pciregs io 2000 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp FFFFFFFF mach64xx HSyncStrtWid FFFFFFFF mach64xx VTotalDisp FFFFFFFF mach64xx VSyncStrtWid FFFFFFFF mach64xx VlineCrntVline 013203FF mach64xx OffPitch 28000000 mach64xx IntCntl 00000000 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 03002200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 FFFFFFFF mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00078000 mach64xx CurHVposn 0008002F mach64xx CurHVoff 00300030 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04100400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00000002 mach64xx BusCntl 7333A001 mach64xx MemCntl 10C57A3B mach64xx ExtMemCntl E0000C81 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF0040 mach64xx DacCntl 8601200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigChipId 64004C4D mach64xx ConfigStat0 00C00095 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 003A0551 mach64xx DspOnOff 01180518 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth 00020202 mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000407 mach64xx LcdData 00006000 mach64xx PLL 8C AC 40 4C 87 03 D5 CC - CC CC 00 89 80 1B 00 00 0E CF 40 00 50 F6 AC 03 - 40 00 24 FD 00 00 00 02 mach64xx LCD ConfigPanel 100340F4 mach64xx LCD GenCntl 407520DA mach64xx LCD DstnCntl 00000000 mach64xx LCD HfbPitchAddr 00000F00 mach64xx LCD HorzStretch 00000000 mach64xx LCD VertStretch 00000000 mach64xx LCD ExtVertStretch 001FFA00 mach64xx LCD LtGio 00006000 mach64xx LCD PowerMngmnt 0200040B mach64xx LCD ZvgPio 02000000 mach64xx VCLK0 45639199 mach64xx VCLK1 45639199 mach64xx VCLK2 45639199 mach64xx VCLK3 0 rom table offset 104 freq table offset A78 memclk 125000000 ref_freq 29500000 ref_divider 64 min_freq 9840000 max_freq 236000000 pd 1 value 0 (|1) post = 2 mach64xx pixel clock = 188060000 main->exits VGADB: ------ ctlr 0xC00DC="MACH64CTPCIU" # ATI Graphics Xpression 0xC00E7="MACH64GPPCIM" # ATI xpert@work 0xC00E7="MACH64GBPCIM" # ATI xpert@work 0xC00E7="MACH64GZPCIM" # Rage IIC AGP 0xC00E7="MACH64GVPCIM" # Rage IIC PCI 0xC00E6="MACH64GBPCIM" # ATI xpert@work 0xC00E0="MACH64GBPCIMTSGU" # MS-6131 NLX mb 0xC00E1="MACH64GBPCIMTSGU" # MS-6131 NLX mb 0xC00CA="MACH64GBPCIMTSGU" # Dell Optiplex GX1 0xC00EB="MACH64GPPCIMTSGU" # ATI Xpert 98 0xC00F7="MACH64LIPCIMTSDU" # Xpert LCD PCI 0xC00F8="MACH64LIPCIMTSDU" # Xpert LCD PCI 0xC00F6="MACH64LMPC" # COMPAQ Armada E500 0xC00E1="MACH64GTPCIUYMU" # ATI Rage II PCI 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64CT" # generic entries 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64GP" 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64GB" 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64GZ" 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64GV" 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64LP" 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64LI" 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64LM" 0xC0000-0xC0200="MACH64VT" 0xC0000-0xC0200="RAGE128" link=vga ctlr=mach64xx linear=1 hwgc=mach64xxhwgc membw=530 include = 1280x1024t clock=188.06 # shb=1328 ehb=1512 ht=1680 # vrs=1025 vre=1028 vt=1104 # # VGA. # vga = 640x480 # 60Hz, 31.5KHz include=640x480 vga = 800x600 # 60Hz, 37.9KHz include=800x600 # # SVGA (Laptop). # svga = 640x480 include=640x480 svga = 800x600 include=800x600 # # XGA (Laptop). # xga = 1024x768 include=1024x768 xga alias=svga # # SXGA (Laptop). # sxga = 1280x1024 include=1280x1024t sxga alias=xga From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 06:16:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07770 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:16:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07766 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132A3c-0005d0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:06:00 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:02:27 GMT From: Leo Caves Message-ID: <39474F43.82A4F0C2@yorvic.york.ac.uk> Organization: University of York Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 64 bit arithmetic Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >From http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/2c The compilers accept long long variables as a 64-bit type. The standard header typedefs this to vlong. Arithmetic on vlong values is usually emulated by a run-time library. What's the overhead on this? plan 9 will be adopted for Beowulf-type applications, as this model is naturally incorporated within the system's design. However, most of these applications are numeric intensive and often require 64-bit arithmetic. is there any work internally in Bell Labs on native 64 bit libraries? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 06:47:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08217 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:47:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA08212 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:47:38 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006141047.GAA08212@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:48:00 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] Compaq Prof. Wkstn. 5000 and Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Any suggestions other than finding an IDE hard drive and connecting >it in place of the CDROM? I've been also in the similar trouble on scsi disks. In my case, fortunately, I could make kfs on the scisi disk, but not be able to boot from it. Then, I looked into the script files under /bin/dist, and found a manual way to mount the kfs to my virtual namespace. Such that disk/prep -p /dev/sd00/plan9 > /dev/sd00/ctl disk/kfs -nsd00 -f /dev/sd00/fs mount -c /srv/kfs.sd00 /n/kfs and found that WE CAN NEVER BOOT FROM SCSI DISK! The pcdsik file in /sys/src/9/pc does not include scsi disks as bootable devices: such that ...... boot boot #S/sdC0/ il local Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 07:31:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA08953 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:31:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (vugluskr@unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08949 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07572 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:00 +0400 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:31:00 +0400 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] man to html Message-ID: <20000614153100.A7469@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> References: <200006122107.RAA16001@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <200006122107.RAA16001@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Great! At least all problems with auth(6) went away. Thanks, Roman. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 05:07:14PM -0400, rob pike wrote: > We have a new program for converting the man pages on the fly into HTML. > They should look more dependable, or at least different. The new program > uses the output of troff rather than its input, to avoid many of the problems > we were having. Of course, we have new ones. Let us know if you see any > problems. > > Thanks. > > -rob > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 07:46:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09282 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:46:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09277 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132BR0-0000Vy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:34:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:33:15 GMT From: Jon Zeppieri <97jaz@my-deja.com> Message-ID: <8i7q10$l3o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] moving the cursor in rio/acme/sam Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is there any way simply to move the cursor backwards and forwards through a line of text in rio -- I mean: to do what the arrow keys do in other systems. If not, then what do experienced Plan 9 users do instead? I find that I *very* frequently want to move the cursor -- nondestructively -- through a line of text, to edit it. And if I had to use the mouse to do that, I think I'd go insane. I figure there must be a simpler solution. And maybe it's just that I've been up all night toying around with the system :) -- but I can't figure it out. -jaz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 09:19:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11017 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:19:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11013 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141319.JAA11013@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] moving the cursor in rio/acme/sam From: "rob pike" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:19:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I find that I *very* frequently want to move the cursor -- nondestructively -- through a line of text, to edit it. And if I had to use the mouse to do that, I think I'd go insane. I'll avoid value judgements and just say that the only way is to use the mouse. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 09:21:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11140 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11133 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141321.JAA11133@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] man to html From: "rob pike" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:20:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Great! At least all problems with auth(6) went away. We have a new program for converting the man pages on the fly into HTML. The pages look better but the HTML it generates is pathological enough to crash some Opera reliably. I need to do some more work. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 09:35:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11673 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:35:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA11665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:35:15 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006141335.JAA11665@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:34:58 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compaq Prof. Wkstn. 5000 and Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I have a Compaq 5000 Professional Workstation with dual Pentium >Pro II CPUs and internal SCSI and IDE adaptors. >Solaris 8 installation proved problematic because Solaris could >not see my SCSI drive despite DOS and Windows 98 doing so. >Now it seems Plan 9 has the same problem. Using Compaq's >inspect, it appeared the IDE controller was IRQ 15, and >the Network, SCSI controller and Matrox all shared IRQ 11. >Fiddling with things, I managed to get all devices onto seperate >IRQs, but pickdisk still fails with "No disk devices were found >on your system." An aside about IRQs. On a uniprocessor x86 it usually makes sense to arrange for PCI devices to have separate IRQs for efficiency reasons but they should work when shared (modulo driver bugs). However, on a system conforming to Intel's Multiprocessor Specification it isn't necessary, the hardware and operating system software can and do arrange for each device to have a separate line to the interrupt controller and a separate interrupt vector; in other words, the IRQ value the card reports is irrelevant. >Plan 9 appears to recognise the controller because it prints >dev A0 config 85C0 capabilities 0F00 mwdma 0103 dma 00000001 rwm 0 >sd53c8xx: SYM53C875 rev. 0x03 intr=10 command=2000157 >at boot time, and also "sd53c8xx: differential mode set" 16 times, >suggesting once for each target since it is a wide controller. Do you know if it's really a differential controller and drive? The way this is determined by the driver is only known to work on cards manufactured by Symbios themselves (according to the comments in the driver). It's possible differential mode is being detected incorrectly. >I have set debug=1 in the plan9.ini as the troubleshooting manual >suggests, but it didn't help much. >Pressing Control-R at boot time does not appear to generate >any extra debugging information for the SCSI probing. >Since my CDROM is IDE and my hard drive is SCSI, is plan 9 perhaps >finding the CDROM first and assuming my hard drive must be >IDE also? No, that shouldn't matter. >The CDROM can be removed from the system, but there is no way >to disable the IDE controller on the motherboard. Setting >boot order in the BIOS setup and specifying the SCSI hard drive >did not help. None of those things should make any difference either. >Any suggestions other than finding an IDE hard drive and connecting >it in place of the CDROM? It's difficult to debug this at a distance without a working system. Hooking an ATA drive up to get Plan 9 running might be an easier way to debug the problem (hook it up to the primary IDE channel to make your life easier). Also, as was mentioned in another posting, the distributed bootstraps don't deal with booting from SCSI discs; that should be in the next update. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 09:58:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12287 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA12281 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006141358.JAA12281@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:58:29 -0400 To: avp@one.net.au, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You're probably getting done in by the maximum queued calls being 5 for any service. You can change that to any number by changing Maxincall in /sys/src/9/ip/ip.h and recompiling the kernel. I should probably make it a writable parameter. If that's not you're problem, I don't know what is. The release has the max number of tcp channels set at 512 (same file, enum Nchans). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 10:09:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12703 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:09:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from sigint.cs.purdue.edu (sigint.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12695 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12825 invoked by uid 118); 14 Jun 2000 14:10:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:10:25 -0500 From: splite@purdue.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: STB Velocity 128 Support? Message-ID: <20000614091025.A12717@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> References: <394491DA.47595B6F@sprintmail.com> <39471AE0.FF420FB0@null.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <39471AE0.FF420FB0@null.net>; from DAGwyn@null.net on Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 08:57:24AM +0000 X-Disclaimer: Any similarity to an opinion of Purdue is purely coincidental Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > "Daniel E. Doherty" wrote: > I boot, but my STB Velocity 128 is not recognized. I see Velocity > 64 in the vgadb, so I'm hoping its an easy fix. An edit to the db? Though the names are similar, the cards are not. The Velocity 64 uses the S3 968 chip, whereas the Velocity 128 uses the nVIDIA RIVA 128. The 968 will probably work with the S3 driver, but I see no mention of the RIVA in http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/pchardware.html. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 10:35:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13489 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:35:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13483 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07598 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:35:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:35:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006141435.KAA07598@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Printing postscript files.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I am trying to print to a Laserwriter Select 360 on a Solaris-2.7 box. The entry for the printer is shown below. The printer does print the info but in a low resolution (looks exactly the same when printed tp -dstdout). I tried man -t man | lp -dstdout > j.ps; lp -dlaser j.ps and man -t man | lp -dlaser both give similar printouts. Any way to tell lp to print in higher resloution? - ishwar ----/sys/lib/devices-- # device_name loc dest_host phys_dev_name speed class def_proc spooler stat kill daemon sched # 600dpi postscript printer named vogon via BSD LPD printer queue on alice #vogon printer-room alice vogon - post+600dpi generic lpdspool lpd - - FIFO # Added to test laser@ pali laser office 141.209.131.80 laser - post+600dpi generic lpdspool lpd - - FIFO -- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 10:51:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13973 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:51:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from small-gods.mit.edu (SMALL-GODS.MIT.EDU [18.177.0.248]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13969 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ghudson@localhost) by small-gods.mit.edu (8.9.3) id KAA22401; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141451.KAA22401@small-gods.mit.edu> To: cbbrowne@hex.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:49:59 GMT." Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:51:32 -0400 From: Greg Hudson Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Berry Kercheval said: >> I was not aware that there was a legally constituted person >> (whether a natural person or a corporation) that held a trademark >> on the term "Open Source" Christopher Browne replied: > You would indeed be incorrect. > You might want to look at . This misconception has come up several times now and no one has corrected it, so I will. "Open Source" is not trademarked. If you actually go to www.opensource.org and read a bit, you will find the following text (third paragraph, under press_releases/certified-open-source.html): So ``Open Source'' is not and cannot become a trademark. What OSI has is a certification mark on "OSI Certified." From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 11:47:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15353 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:47:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15342 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id LAA28112; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141546.LAA28112@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:22:29 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compaq Prof. Wkstn. 5000 and Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The pcdsik file in /sys/src/9/pc does not include scsi disks as bootable devices: such that boot boot #S/sdC0/ il local This is okay -- if you boot from sdC1!9fat!9pcdisk (say), the kernel mungs the name to come up with local!#S/sdC1/fs as a boot name. Or you can use a bootargs=local!#S/sdC1/fs line in your plan9.ini. As Jim pointed out, what you're running into is that 9load(8) doesn't handle SCSI devices, and this will be fixed in the next update. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 11:52:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15621 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07727 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006141552.LAA07727@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ghostscript problem.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I created a postscript file with man -t man | lp -d600dpi | gs ghostscript produces error.. ... 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Error: /invalidfileaccess in --outputpage-- ... term% Any ideas? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 11:56:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA15870 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:56:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pop.ajubasolutions.com (pop.ajubasolutions.com [209.24.201.136]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA15861 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from khaavren (khaavren.ajubasolutions.com [206.184.219.53]) by pop.ajubasolutions.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18149; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000614085202.051acef0@mail1.ajubasolutions.com> X-Sender: berry@mail1.ajubasolutions.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:54:28 -0700 To: cbbrowne@hex.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Berry Kercheval Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free In-Reply-To: References: <14662.40810.23349.934977@bizcoyo.dat.escet.urjc.es> <4.2.0.58.20000613143838.00d3e410@mail1.ajubasolutions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu At 08:49 AM 06/14/2000 +0000, Christopher Browne wrote: > >I think anyone can call anything at all "Open Source" > >with nothing more to fear than derision from the community. > > > >I could be wrong, though. > >You would indeed be incorrect. > >You might want to look at . I did; the FAQ has this to say: We strongly encourage everyone who cares about open software to use the term only to describe licenses that conform to the OSD, or software distributed under such licenses; but since the term has passed into more general use, we also encourage people to refer to the ``OSI Certified'' mark, which has precision and legal force in identifying software distributed under licenses that are known to meet the OSD requirements. which seems to imply that the term "open source" is indeed not a trademark. This is all off topic for 9fans and I will take any further discussion to private email. --berry -- Berry Kercheval :: Ajuba Solutions :: http://www.ajubasolutions.com Berry@ajubasolutions.com (Formerly Scriptics Corp.) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 12:04:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16231 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:04:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 08:50:35 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3947A918.E722A647@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:47:36 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Morning Quickies: nontechnical] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------4A001029E4384D37445C3D95" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4A001029E4384D37445C3D95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------4A001029E4384D37445C3D95 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <39478E82.9F83918E@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:54:10 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.com Subject: Morning Quickies: nontechnical Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, Plan 9ers. I'm wondering: what's the lieterature base for Plan 9 like? are there any really good books out there yet? (O'Reilly & Assoc. "Plan 9 in a Nutshell"?) John Carmack called Plan 9 "achingly beautiful". I tend to agree; in spite of it's almost harsh austerity in certain places, there is so much about it that is just "Right" as to make it irresistable. Who the hell is John Carmack anyway? His name sounds very familiar. Finally, is there a way to shut down the system gracefully and reboot from the commandline? (Hadda sneak that last one in on ya). Good Day! James --------------4A001029E4384D37445C3D95-- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 12:12:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16527 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:12:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16522 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA32592; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141611.MAA32592@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ghostscript problem.. From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:08:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The default gs driver is "inferno", which generates compressed bitmaps as used by Inferno. (It has not been updated to support true color.) You are failing because you haven't given it an output file name and there is no default. There is no equivalent to the X11 driver, i.e. one that writes directly on the screen. If anyone is interested in writing such a thing, I'd be happy to lend assistance. For previewing, ghostscript is most often invoked indirectly through page(1): man -t man | lp -d600dpi | page man -t man | page man -P man Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 12:14:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16707 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:14:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bromine.myriadgate.net (openbsd.myriadgate.net [139.142.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA16702 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2491 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 16:11:46 -0000 Received: from xenon.myriadgate.net (HELO mail.usask.ca) (andrey@192.168.120.7) by bromine.myriadgate.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 16:11:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3947AEC0.7838054B@mail.usask.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:11:44 -0600 From: Andrey Mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Morning Quickies: nontechnical] References: <3947A918.E722A647@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu "James G. Stallings II" wrote: > John Carmack called Plan 9 "achingly beautiful". I tend to agree; in > spite of it's almost harsh austerity in certain places, there is so much > about it that is just "Right" as to make it irresistable. Who the hell > is John Carmack anyway? His name sounds very familiar. The chief of IDsoftware, the creator of Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake series. He's been known to be a genius in his field (graphics), at least among gamers... Anyway.. my $0.02 From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 12:27:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17198 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:27:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id MAA02691; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141627.MAA02691@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Morning Quickies: nontechnical] From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:23:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Finally, is there a way to shut down the system gracefully and reboot from the commandline? If you're booted from a file server, type ^P at a cpu server console, or echo reboot >/dev/reboot. If not, you need to halt the disks first: If you're standing at the machine, type disk/kfscmd halt and then reset the machine. If you want to do everything remotely, I believe the following will suffice (I haven't tried it recently, but it worked four years ago). Russ #include #include void main(void) { int fd; Waitmsg w; fd = open("/dev/reboot", OWRITE); if(fd < 0) sysfatal("open: %r"); switch(fork()) { case -1: sysfatal("fork: %r"); case 0: execl("/bin/disk/kfscmd", "disk/kfscmd", "halt", nil); break; default: wait(&w); break; } fprint(fd, "reboot"); } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 12:30:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA17395 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:30:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pixar.pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17388 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marvin.pixar.com (marvin.pixar.com [138.72.30.83]) by pixar.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28178 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from td@localhost) by marvin.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA1376306 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tom Duff" Message-Id: <10006140930.ZM1376413@marvin> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:30:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Douglas A. Gwyn" "[9fans] Re: mounting Plan9 fs on linux" (Jun 14, 8:52am) References: <8hrsbg$s2m$1@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <394718C9.8C7CB22F@null.net> Reply-To: td@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: mounting Plan9 fs on linux Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Jun 14, 8:52am, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > There *is* the "ed" editor; I've used it for a few things. Second that. I've even ported the plan 9 version of ed (which is the best of the true descendants of the original ed) back to UNIX, and run it at work on IRIX and at home on freeBSD. -- Tom Duff. Corresponding Secretary to the Clue Fairy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 12:54:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18238 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141654.MAA18233@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: mounting Plan9 fs on linux From: "rob pike" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've even ported the plan 9 version of ed (which is the best of the true descendants of the original ed) back to UNIX, and run it at work on IRIX and at home on freeBSD. The penny drops: the b command and elisions of terminal slashes are now in open source! That didn't take long; just 24 years? In another 24 years, programmers will learn how to use malloc. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 13:17:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19000 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:17:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA18990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132Gf4-00041q-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:09:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:56:23 GMT From: td@pixar.com (Tom Duff) Message-ID: <10006140930.ZM1376413@marvin> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Reply-To: td@pixar.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: mounting Plan9 fs on linux Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Jun 14, 8:52am, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > There *is* the "ed" editor; I've used it for a few things. Second that. I've even ported the plan 9 version of ed (which is the best of the true descendants of the original ed) back to UNIX, and run it at work on IRIX and at home on freeBSD. -- Tom Duff. Corresponding Secretary to the Clue Fairy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 13:21:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19243 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:21:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA19239 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 10:01:18 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3947B9A7.F915656D@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:58:15 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Is this weird? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have some duplicate directory entries under /net. Things like arp, bootp, ether0, icmp, il - in fact most of them have two identical entries in the /net directory. Is that normal? I can determine no difference between the instances of the duplicate entries. Thanks, James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 13:26:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA19493 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA19488 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weyl.math.psu.edu (weyl.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.226]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15326 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (viro@localhost) by weyl.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03848 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:26:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: weyl.math.psu.edu: viro owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Viro To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? In-Reply-To: <3947B9A7.F915656D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, James G. Stallings II wrote: > > I have some duplicate directory entries under /net. Things like arp, > bootp, ether0, icmp, il - in fact most of them have two identical > entries in the /net directory. > > Is that normal? I can determine no difference between the instances of > the duplicate entries. mountpoint and root of mounted tree, you mean? That had been there since long. BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 13:39:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20066 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20062 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:39:43 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006141739.NAA20062@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:41:14 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? presumably, because it's telling the truth: in the union, all those instances are there if you look at it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 13:41:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20193 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:41:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:41:14 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006141741.NAA20188@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:42:44 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Morning Quickies: nontechnical] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>(O'Reilly & Assoc. "Plan 9 in a Nutshell"?) i believe there is a book in German about the old version. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 13:56:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20776 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weyl.math.psu.edu (weyl.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.226]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20253 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (viro@localhost) by weyl.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03905 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:56:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: weyl.math.psu.edu: viro owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Viro To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? In-Reply-To: <200006141739.NAA20062@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 forsyth@vitanuova.com wrote: > >>BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? > > presumably, because it's telling the truth: in the union, all those > instances are there if you look at it. Erm... It's not exactly a union. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 13:58:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20960 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:58:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA20955 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 10:39:12 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3947C28F.BD2B71A@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:36:15 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Uh, sorry but yo kind of lost me there Alex. Please reload and take another shot at that. Thanks! James Alexander Viro wrote: > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, James G. Stallings II wrote: > > > > > I have some duplicate directory entries under /net. Things like arp, > > bootp, ether0, icmp, il - in fact most of them have two identical > > entries in the /net directory. > > > > Is that normal? I can determine no difference between the instances of > > the duplicate entries. > > mountpoint and root of mounted tree, you mean? That had been there since > long. > > BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 14:21:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21794 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 10:58:53 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3947C726.CF9FB553@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:55:50 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? References: <200006141739.NAA20062@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu forsyth@vitanuova.com wrote: > >>BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? > > presumably, because it's telling the truth: in the union, all those > instances are there if you look at it. Maybe you guys misunderstood the question. Basicall I'm getting a directory listing (lc) which seems to have multiple entries for the same file. Like this: plan9% lc /net arp ether0 ipifc ipselftab ssl arp gre ipifc log tcp bootp gre ipmux log tcp bootp icmp ipmux ndb udp cs icmp iproute ndb udp dns il iproute rudp ether0 il ipselftab rudp plan9% ls -l yields similar behaviour excepting the anticipated formatting changes and level of detail. I have encountered no other portions of the namespace with these characteristics. If this were a UNIX filesystem of some sort, I'd be highly suspicious of this listing - but Plan 9 is not a Unix. Does your /net resemble this, or have I hosed something trying to configure my networking? Thanks and Best Regards, James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 14:34:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22257 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:34:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bromine.myriadgate.net (openbsd.myriadgate.net [139.142.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22251 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 7757 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2000 18:31:57 -0000 Received: from xenon.myriadgate.net (HELO mail.usask.ca) (andrey@192.168.120.7) by bromine.myriadgate.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 18:31:57 -0000 Message-ID: <3947CF9C.B500462@mail.usask.ca> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:31:56 -0600 From: Andrey Mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? References: <200006141739.NAA20062@cse.psu.edu> <3947C726.CF9FB553@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Please take a look at: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/names.html I think you will find the answer there (or rather something that explains it to an extent).. Andrey From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 14:43:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22549 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:43:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.83]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22540 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp3.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id OAA10806; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141843.OAA10806@smtp3.fas.harvard.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:39:59 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The problem is that '#l0' and '#I' have been bound onto the directory twice. You can type "ns" to confirm that, and poking around at how the namespace is constructed might help track it down. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 14:45:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22686 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:45:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22679 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006141845.OAA22679@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:45:25 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] moving the cursor in rio/acme/sam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-btllblfpkqjoqbnshenwaambsa" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-btllblfpkqjoqbnshenwaambsa Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [disclaimer: I'm just a joe random worker at Bell Labs] When I first began living in the Plan 9 environment, one of the things I longed for was working cursor keys. After about a week or so, I became comfortable with the lack of cursor control, and after about a month or two, I didn't long for it anymore. It turns out that I am more productive using sam(1) and acme(1) than I was using "vi" in Unix. I don't want or expect the cursor keys to do anything more than "page up" and "page down" anymore. -Tad --upas-btllblfpkqjoqbnshenwaambsa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com ([135.104.2.10]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 08:03:07 EDT 2000 Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com ([135.104.2.7]) by scummy; Wed Jun 14 08:01:26 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by dusty; Wed Jun 14 08:01:25 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA09315; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:46:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09282 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:46:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA09277 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132BR0-0000Vy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:34:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:33:15 GMT From: Jon Zeppieri <97jaz@my-deja.com> Message-ID: <8i7q10$l3o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] moving the cursor in rio/acme/sam Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Is there any way simply to move the cursor backwards and forwards through a line of text in rio -- I mean: to do what the arrow keys do in other systems. If not, then what do experienced Plan 9 users do instead? I find that I *very* frequently want to move the cursor -- nondestructively -- through a line of text, to edit it. And if I had to use the mouse to do that, I think I'd go insane. I figure there must be a simpler solution. And maybe it's just that I've been up all night toying around with the system :) -- but I can't figure it out. -jaz Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. --upas-btllblfpkqjoqbnshenwaambsa-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 14:49:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22932 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:49:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22913 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:49:11 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006141849.OAA22913@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:48:37 EDT Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: mounting Plan9 fs on linux Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I hacked the Seventh Edition Ed many years ago to include the `b' command and left vi(1) behind. I used ed from 1984 until 1995 when I could use sam(1). I think that people who have have never lived on ed for any length of time have missed out. Brantle Coile ------ original message follows ------ >From cse.psu.edu!owner-9fans Wed Jun 14 12:57:53 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu (majordom@claven.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.50]) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA08722; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18268; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18238 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA18233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141654.MAA18233@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: mounting Plan9 fs on linux From: "rob pike" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:54:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I've even ported the plan 9 version of ed (which is the best of the true descendants of the original ed) back to UNIX, and run it at work on IRIX and at home on freeBSD. The penny drops: the b command and elisions of terminal slashes are now in open source! That didn't take long; just 24 years? In another 24 years, programmers will learn how to use malloc. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 14:52:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23137 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23129 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141852.OAA23129@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? From: "rob pike" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do an ls -lq. If the files are identical, not just have the same name, it means you've mounted the services multiple times. If the names are the same but not the qids, I'm confused. -rob --upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 14:38:16 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 14:38:14 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21832; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:25 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21794 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 10:58:53 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3947C726.CF9FB553@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:55:50 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? References: <200006141739.NAA20062@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk forsyth@vitanuova.com wrote: > >>BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? > > presumably, because it's telling the truth: in the union, all those > instances are there if you look at it. Maybe you guys misunderstood the question. Basicall I'm getting a directory listing (lc) which seems to have multiple entries for the same file. Like this: plan9% lc /net arp ether0 ipifc ipselftab ssl arp gre ipifc log tcp bootp gre ipmux log tcp bootp icmp ipmux ndb udp cs icmp iproute ndb udp dns il iproute rudp ether0 il ipselftab rudp plan9% ls -l yields similar behaviour excepting the anticipated formatting changes and level of detail. I have encountered no other portions of the namespace with these characteristics. If this were a UNIX filesystem of some sort, I'd be highly suspicious of this listing - but Plan 9 is not a Unix. Does your /net resemble this, or have I hosed something trying to configure my networking? Thanks and Best Regards, James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 14:58:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23432 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23420 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01184 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:06:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09199 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:05:57 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:05:57 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006141905.VAA09199@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 boot block question Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu If I understand things correctly, the 512 first bytes of the Plan 9 partition contain some code that loads a secondary boot (9load). But if I compare these bytes with /386/pbs or /386/pbslba via cmp, there is a difference. Is it normal ? If I write /386/pbs or /386/pbslba on this sector, will I still be able to boot ? If I crunch this block, what is the clean way to restore it ? (A mail bounce later: writing /386/pbs on this sector makes the partition un-bootable. saving this block under another unix and writing it back after the failure is not enough to restore things). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 15:19:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24176 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:19:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24170 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA01946; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141919.PAA01946@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 boot block question From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:16:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The first sector of the Plan 9 partition contains both the beginning of the 9fat partition (a BIOS parameter block (BPB)) and the partition boot sector (PBS). The PBS begins with a three-byte intel jump instruction that jumps over the BPB to address 0x3E, which is where the PBS code really starts. The files /386/pbs and /386/pbslba have bytes 0x03-0x03D (inclusive) zeroed; disk/format takes care of writing the BPB when formatting the disk, and can be used to install a new PBS without hurting the extant BPB. Saving the single 512-byte sector at the beginning of your Plan 9 partition and then restoring it should have been enough to get you back up and running. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 15:30:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24635 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:30:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24631 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006141930.PAA24631@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:32:05 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>Maybe you guys misunderstood the question. Basicall I'm getting a sorry. we ought to have answered your question before starting a subdiscussion. when you list a union mount, you'll see the contents of each directory in turn. in particular, if you unite a directory with itself, however many times, you'll see the files in each instance (ie, names repeated). try something like mkdir m >m/x bind -b m m ls m bind -b m m ls m ... in your case, as rob suggested, you've most likely done something that caused /net to be bound to itself. i'd guess that, not #I alone being bound twice, because ether0 (#l) is there as well. often when the same names appear, they really do come from different directories in the union. ls -q prints Qid data that helps to distinguish them, hence rob's suggestion of ls -lq. in your case, duplicate names should have the same qids (because they are the same file). another helpful option is -n, which tells ls not to sort the result, so names appear in the order they are seen in the union, allowing you to tell which duplicate is uppermost (and thus selected by the system in a search). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 16:22:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26064 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:22:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26058 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-3.florida.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.60.3] helo=DruidPC.DruidNet.org) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 132Jfp-00064a-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:22:06 +0100 Received: (from rjb108@localhost) by DruidPC.DruidNet.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) id VAA01191 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:18:46 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:18:45 +0100 From: "R. J. Bradley" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? Message-ID: <20000614211845.A1013@DruidPC.DruidNet.org> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0us X-BadReturnPath: rjb108@DruidPC.DruidNet.org rewritten as druid@stonecircle.freeserve.co.uk using "From" header Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi After finaly managing to find a floppy disk without a bad sector (had to buy some new disks) I have booted Plan 9 and as I expected my graphics card (Trident TGUI96xx) isnt supported. Any help with the following would be appreciated. 1) Is there any way to install the system without vga and rio up and running. I need an installed system if I am going to be able to play with writing a driver for my card. 2) Where would be the best place to look for starting to write a graphics driver. How much work is done by the card specific code ? Thanks for any help. Robin From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 16:40:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA26583 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:40:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA26579 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lusitania.cs.bell-labs.com (lusitania.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.235]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id QAA08102; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006142040.QAA08102@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:36:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu 1) Is there any way to install the system without vga and rio up and running. I need an installed system if I am going to be able to play with writing a driver for my card. You could carry out an install without vga and rio, but only by hand. You'll find the system unusable in text mode for the purposes of writing a video driver anyway. Much better to get going on a different video card first, so as to have a decent development environment. 2) Where would be the best place to look for starting to write a graphics driver. How much work is done by the card specific code ? Not a lot, especially if you punt on the hardware acceleration the first time 'round. Mostly it's just setting up registers correctly for the given mode. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 16:55:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA27091 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:55:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA27087 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006142055.QAA27087@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 64 bit arithmetic From: Eric Grosse X-URL: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ehg/ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:55:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > From: Leo Caves > plan 9 will be adopted for Beowulf-type applications, as this model > is naturally incorporated within the system's design. > However, most of these applications are numeric intensive and often > require 64-bit arithmetic. > is there any work internally in Bell Labs on native 64 bit libraries? Not that I'm aware of, unless you mean something like /sys/src/libmp/386/mpvecdigmuladd.s. In my own "Beowulf-type applications" (domain decomposition for solving partial differential equations) the 64-bit arithmetic was floating point. 64-bit fixed point seems more relevant to large SMP systems than to clusters. Eric From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 17:00:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA27390 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:00:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA27385 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04480 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hippodrome.cs.bell-labs.com (njc1-07-77.dial.psc.eclipse.net [207.207.244.77]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11695 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com> X-Sender: cornelia@world.std.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:59:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: renee french Subject: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Daniel Seagraves wrote: >Heh, for me, the bunny means one thing - Usagi Tsukino :P >That alone makes it worth using. >(Am I the only person who has thought of this? :) i'm the creator of the plan 9 bunny and i hadn't thought of that, but i do like usagi tsukino.......and marshmallow peeps. Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: >I was wondering: are those *feet*, or... those are feet. if they're there at all, the "..." are farther back. renee french From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 19:48:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00620 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00616 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:48:32 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006142348.TAA00616@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:48:28 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kaarqzrmvdjqkwvnxungnmyyxn" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kaarqzrmvdjqkwvnxungnmyyxn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just run 'ns' and see how your namespace is put together. --upas-kaarqzrmvdjqkwvnxungnmyyxn Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 15:08:19 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 15:08:15 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23174; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:37 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23137 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23129 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006141852.OAA23129@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? From: "rob pike" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:52:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do an ls -lq. If the files are identical, not just have the same name, it means you've mounted the services multiple times. If the names are the same but not the qids, I'm confused. -rob --upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 14:38:16 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 14:38:14 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21832; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:25 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21794 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 10:58:53 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3947C726.CF9FB553@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:55:50 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? References: <200006141739.NAA20062@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk forsyth@vitanuova.com wrote: > >>BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? > > presumably, because it's telling the truth: in the union, all those > instances are there if you look at it. Maybe you guys misunderstood the question. Basicall I'm getting a directory listing (lc) which seems to have multiple entries for the same file. Like this: plan9% lc /net arp ether0 ipifc ipselftab ssl arp gre ipifc log tcp bootp gre ipmux log tcp bootp icmp ipmux ndb udp cs icmp iproute ndb udp dns il iproute rudp ether0 il ipselftab rudp plan9% ls -l yields similar behaviour excepting the anticipated formatting changes and level of detail. I have encountered no other portions of the namespace with these characteristics. If this were a UNIX filesystem of some sort, I'd be highly suspicious of this listing - but Plan 9 is not a Unix. Does your /net resemble this, or have I hosed something trying to configure my networking? Thanks and Best Regards, James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --upas-vtknosoootitklyyexacotleme-- --upas-kaarqzrmvdjqkwvnxungnmyyxn-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 20:16:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01186 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:16:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01181 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:16:53 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006150016.UAA01181@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:17:16 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] Compaq Prof. Wkstn. 5000 and Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Thanks Jim and Russ. I tried old Neptune chipset and dual Pen90(^_^) with scsi card with NCR53C870 chip. In this case, scsi disks were recognized and made file system happily. (unfortunately, it didn't boot up. :-)) Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 20:45:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01821 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01817 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006150045.UAA01817@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:46:18 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >like usagi tsukino Does this mean "月ã®ã†ã•ãŽ" (tsukino usagi)? Just kidding, sorry. Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 14 21:20:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA02632 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:20:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA02628 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006150120.VAA02628@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" From: "rob pike" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:19:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-jtcpggryplajsizgrqvctgvyki" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-jtcpggryplajsizgrqvctgvyki Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Actually, it DOES mean "月ã®ã†ã•ãŽ" (tsukino usagi)! -rob --upas-jtcpggryplajsizgrqvctgvyki Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 21:01:16 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Wed Jun 14 21:01:15 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01862; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:46:03 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01821 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01817 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:45:52 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006150045.UAA01817@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:46:18 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to base64 by cse.psu.edu id UAA01862 DQo+bGlrZSB1c2FnaSB0c3VraW5vDQoNCkRvZXMgdGhpcyBtZWFuICLmnIjjga7jgYbjgZXj gY4iICh0c3VraW5vIHVzYWdpKT8NCg0KSnVzdCBraWRkaW5nLCBzb3JyeS4NCg0KS2VuamkN Cg== --upas-jtcpggryplajsizgrqvctgvyki-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 00:01:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05972 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:01:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.fywss.com (gate.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05957 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by smtp.fywss.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23938 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:01:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:01:00 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Message-Id: <200006150401.AAA23938@smtp.fywss.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The latest hypertext version of the faq is available at url http://www.fywss.com/plan9/plan9faq.html From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 00:04:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA06120 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA06115 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0B.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.161]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13978 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:04:00 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02494 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:03:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:03:58 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] moving the cursor in rio/acme/sam Message-ID: <20000614210358.B2256@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006141845.OAA22679@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200006141845.OAA22679@cse.psu.edu>; from tad@plan9.bell-labs.com on Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 02:45:25PM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Anyone who wants to see some excellent articles on this important and divisive user interface issue might be interested in . I don't intend to discuss it further, personally. Mmmmm...perhaps this--and a warning that the topic is incedniary--might be added to the FAQ? -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 02:08:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08020 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0U.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.180]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17827 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:08:33 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03157 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:08:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:08:22 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Questions: PPP/PAP and S3 Trio 3D/2X Message-ID: <20000614230822.A3095@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is there any support for PPP/PAP on Plan 9? AFAIK, It's the only thing my ISP supports. Has anyone tried an S3 Trio 3D/2X (aka Diamond MM SpeedStar a55, 86C362 chipset) with Plan 9? It's an inexpensive, widely available video card which meets my needs and, if it'll work with Plan 9, I plan to buy one. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 02:56:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA08661 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:56:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA08655 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caldo.demon.co.uk ([194.222.207.148] helo=think) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132TZP-000EoO-0X for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:56:08 +0100 Message-ID: <00ec01bfd68e$926ed3a0$4d702090@caldo.demon.co.uk> From: "C H Forsyth" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:57:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu oh i see. the implications of the name. it seems consistent with definition 1 in the OED, but set union analogies might mislead, depending on what you think it's uniting. perhaps it's an autonomous collective. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Viro" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] Is this weird? > > > On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 forsyth@vitanuova.com wrote: > > > >>BTW, what was the rationale for that behaviour? > > > > presumably, because it's telling the truth: in the union, all those > > instances are there if you look at it. > > Erm... It's not exactly a union. > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 03:35:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA09322 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:35:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.17.35]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA09309 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dosuni.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (dosuni.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.12.1]) by omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01114 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:35:08 +0200 Received: from tom.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de (tom [131.173.13.120]) by dosuni.informatik.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02998 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:35:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by tom.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA20749 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:35:08 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200006150735.JAA20749@tom.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Morning Quickies: nontechnical] Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:35:01 +0200 From: Bernd Kuehl Reply-To: bekuehl@uos.de X-Mailer-Extensions: SWSignature 1.3.2 X-Mailer: by Apple MailViewer (2.106) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > >>(O'Reilly & Assoc. "Plan 9 in a Nutshell"?) > > i believe there is a book in German about the old version. > Yes. See http://www.hanser.de/buch/1999/3-446-18881-9.htm or http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3446188819/qid%3D922693809/sr%3D1-3/028-2724540-1793306 for more information about the german book. B. Kuehl From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 04:02:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09819 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:02:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (root@gsyc.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.45]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09815 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (IDENT:root@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.37]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA10016 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:01:54 +0200 Received: (from nemo@localhost) by nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01376; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:09:34 +0100 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14664.40270.247833.183990@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:09:34 +0100 (WEST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences In-Reply-To: References: <20000608191813.8754.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> <14656.43622.408165.400838@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>>>> "Lyndon" == Lyndon Nerenberg writes: >> Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell >> Inspiron 7k. Lyndon> Did you have to modify vgadb? When I tried to install it No. I just lied, I just said I have a `versalx' (1024x768) even though I don't think I got one on the i7k :-) BTW, be very careful to really cold-boot your machine or you'll get a funny rio display. -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 04:17:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10133 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:17:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA10128 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132UfJ-0002YA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:06:17 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:56:20 GMT From: bernd@informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de (Bernd Kuehl) Message-ID: <200006150735.JAA20749@tom.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: bekuehl@uos.de Subject: Re: [9fans] Morning Quickies: nontechnical] Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > >>(O'Reilly & Assoc. "Plan 9 in a Nutshell"?) > > i believe there is a book in German about the old version. > Yes. See http://www.hanser.de/buch/1999/3-446-18881-9.htm or http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3446188819/qid%3D922693809/sr%3D1-3/028-2724540-1793306 for more information about the german book. B. Kuehl From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 04:39:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA10505 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:39:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA10501 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:39:37 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006150839.EAA10501@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:40:01 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Honestry, I cannot read this UTF-8 mail, because I've not installed new release to my Plan9 system. However, you replied this, and I think new relase managed it good! I wrote it by my personal vewrsion which send/receive UTF-8 as it is. :-) Now, one more test for just kidding. :-) Does this mean "$B7n$N$&$5$.(B"(tsukino usagi)? Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 05:24:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11230 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:24:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ysbl.york.ac.uk (batman.chem.york.ac.uk [144.32.72.190]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11222 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yorvic.york.ac.uk (pingu [144.32.72.76]) by ysbl.york.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA4338468 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:24:31 GMT Message-ID: <3948A0CF.47ADEB97@yorvic.york.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:24:31 +0100 From: Leo Caves Organization: University of York X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 64 bit arithmetic References: <200006142055.QAA27087@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu my misunderstanding of an entirely unambiguous man page. the emulated library is for 64 bit fixed point arithmetic as you say, not floating point. (I must remember to engage brain before posting) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 05:36:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA11539 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:36:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA11535 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-223-182.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.223.182]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA21966 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23488 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:36:19 -0400 Message-Id: <200006150936.FAA23488@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] SMP Works OK on IDE-based Dual GA-6BXD Celeron Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 05:36:18 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Both CPUs are active after commenting out "*nomp=1" in the plan9.ini. This is running on the first v3 release. Relevant parts: 1. GA-6BXD Slot1 motherboard. 2. MS 6905 PPGA/Socket370 to Slot1 converters. 3. Mach64 RagePro AGP. 4. Disks: QUANTUM FIREBALL CX13.0A, 12416MB w/418kB Cache. 5. Genius "EasyMouse+" 3-button PS2 mouse. Notes: 1. Mach64 video acceleration working OK. 2. I don't have plans to try the Hot Rod 66 - Ultra DMA disk controller. More details (such as Linux/XFree86 traces) are available at http://www.place.org/~stevemw/celeron.html From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 06:01:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA11964 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:01:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA11959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0B.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.161]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA22677 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:01:50 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01079 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:01:49 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 03:01:49 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Another monitor type Message-ID: <20000615030149.A1052@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This set of changes to vgadb provides support for 1280x1024 operation at ~60Hz vertical rate. There is also specific support for a Compaq V70 monitor. The changes were derived from an XF86Config file; if anyone is interested I can write about how I derived them. diff -n /mnt/wrap/lib/vgadb /lib/vgadb /mnt/wrap/lib/vgadb:319 a /lib/vgadb:320,324 > include = 1280x1024@60Hz # 60Hz, 110KHz > defaultclock=110 > shb=1328 ehb=1512 ht=1712 > vrs=1024 vre=1028 vt=1054 > /mnt/wrap/lib/vgadb:396 a /lib/vgadb:402,403 > multisync = 1280x1024@60Hz > include = /mnt/wrap/lib/vgadb:400 a /lib/vgadb:408,413 > > Compaq-V70 > videobw=110 > alias=multisync > Compaq-V70 = 1280x1024 > include = 1280x1024@60Hz -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 06:19:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12296 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:19:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA12292 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006151019.GAA12292@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:20:07 +0900 Subject: [9fans] Which file server is recommended? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've now solved "key in the car" problem, and now searching the sources to make my plan how to install the new release onto my current Plan 9 system. (Still cannot boot from scsi disks yet) There are two PC file servers, emellie (16Kbyte block) and plan9pc (4 Kbyte block). I suppose emelie for better performance and plan9pc for economic... Am I doing anything wrong? Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 06:20:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA12385 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:20:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA12369 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132WgB-0006qa-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:15:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:05:17 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006150936.FAA23488@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: [9fans] SMP Works OK on IDE-based Dual GA-6BXD Celeron Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Both CPUs are active after commenting out "*nomp=1" in the plan9.ini. This is running on the first v3 release. Relevant parts: 1. GA-6BXD Slot1 motherboard. 2. MS 6905 PPGA/Socket370 to Slot1 converters. 3. Mach64 RagePro AGP. 4. Disks: QUANTUM FIREBALL CX13.0A, 12416MB w/418kB Cache. 5. Genius "EasyMouse+" 3-button PS2 mouse. Notes: 1. Mach64 video acceleration working OK. 2. I don't have plans to try the Hot Rod 66 - Ultra DMA disk controller. More details (such as Linux/XFree86 traces) are available at http://www.place.org/~stevemw/celeron.html From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 09:23:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15832 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:23:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA15827 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22291 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2000 22:23:19 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 22:23:19 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 132Zc7-0002gS-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:23:19 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] [Q] Sound Blaster for PCI bus MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 15 Jun 2000 22:23:19 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 8 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.6 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Does Plan9 support sound blaster for PIC bus? I have no PC, and would like to buy a used PC to run Plan9. Any suggestions or advices? thanks. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 11:22:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18848 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:22:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18838 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA09382 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:22:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006151522.LAA09382@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] File/cpu servers..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, In context of installing a file and cpu server more details will be helpful. After terminal install, I do not see a /386/9pccpudisk. Do I have to nmake one from sources /sys/src/9/pc? Also, how does one make a file server boot disk? - ishwar > >The installation procedure creates a terminal. >To bring a system up as a standalone cpu server, >you can just change the kernel it boots >(type 9fat:, copy /386/9pccpudisk to /n/9fat, >and then edit /n/9fat/plan9.ini to name 9pccpudisk). > >Bringing up a file server is a bit more work >and currently must be done by hand. You'd >have to bring it up with a boot floppy and >then initialize the file system via the network >and the file server "allow" command. >Read update(8) and wrap(8) for info on >making a boot disk and then extracting the >plan9.9gz onto the file server. The command >used in the install is > wrap/inst -ovr /n/kfs plan9.9gz >You'd of course want to name your file server >rather than /n/kfs. > >Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 11:49:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19631 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:49:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19623 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-220-8.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.220.8]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23984 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:49:27 -0400 Message-Id: <200006151549.LAA23984@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu servers..? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:22:22 EDT." <200006151522.LAA09382@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:49:27 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In message <200006151522.LAA09382@pali.cps.cmich.edu>, Ish Rattan writes: In context of installing a file and cpu server more details will be helpful. Hi Ishwar, I'm also awaiting a concise set of instructions for installing a self-contained terminal/CPU-server/disk-server. It would be ideal if WORM backups, DNS, and the whole set of Plan9 services could be functional on one system. I think people at the Labs are working on getting out a basic document. Best regards, Steve P.S. This may not help much, but to answer your immediate question about building kernels, Steve Kotsopoulos at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/steve/plan9.admin, suggests this: Subject: Compiling kernels cd /sys/src/9/pc mk 'CONF=pcdisk' I did this, replaced /386/9pcdisk with the resulting file, and also ran gzip 9pcdisk to standard out (naming the results 9pcdisk.gz) for a boot floppy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 11:53:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA19836 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:53:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA19826 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151552.LAA19826@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:52:36 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [Q] Sound Blaster for PCI bus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Yes, Sound Blaster 16 and later are supported. I run a SB32 on my PCI bus. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:00:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20216 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:00:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20210 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151600.MAA20210@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:59:58 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Questions: PPP/PAP and S3 Trio 3D/2X MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In general we shy away from implementing cleartext password protocols, but I don't think you'd find it too hard to add PAP to the current PPP sources. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:02:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20411 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:02:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (root@gsyc.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.45]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA20390 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (IDENT:root@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es [212.128.1.37]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA17920 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:02:08 +0200 Received: (from nemo@localhost) by nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA00981; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:09:17 +0100 From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14665.3517.901751.130310@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:09:17 +0100 (WEST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] [local] User group for /mnt/Spain/Madrid ? In-Reply-To: <200006151552.LAA19826@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006151552.LAA19826@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.1 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, any other plan9er from Spain/Madrid willing to create a local user group here? Or am I the only one at Madrid or nearby running plan9? -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:19:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA20964 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA20956 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151619.MAA20956@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:18:55 -0400 To: stevemw@mindspring.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu servers..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm also awaiting a concise set of instructions for installing a self-contained terminal/CPU-server/disk-server. It would be ideal if WORM backups, DNS, and the whole set of Plan9 services could be functional on one system. I think people at the Labs are working on getting out a basic document. I plan to have such an addendum to the Getting Started document late tonight. For now, I will note the following. The intended use of the system is to have separate machines for everything -- a file server, a cpu server, and terminals. That said, it is probably unrealistic to expect single users to dedicate a minimum of three machines to get a Plan 9 network going. There are ways to have a combination cpu/auth/file server via kfs, and in fact I configured one last night and am using a terminal booted from it at the moment. You currently can't have WORM-style backups on kfs, though. For that you need to run a dedicated file server, as the WORM management code lives in the standalone file server code only. I did this, replaced /386/9pcdisk with the resulting file, and also ran gzip 9pcdisk to standard out (naming the results 9pcdisk.gz) for a You'll get an even smaller 9pcdisk.gz if you do mk 'CONF=pcdisk' 9pcdisk.gz, which strips the binary en route to gzip. mk 'CONF=pcdisk' install installs the kernels too, although as discussed earlier, you will want to comment out the line in /sys/src/9/pc/mkfile that tries to toss them over to "dinar". Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:29:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21394 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:29:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (smtp10.atl.mindspring.net [207.69.200.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21384 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-220-8.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.220.8]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00059 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:29:04 -0400 Message-Id: <200006151629.MAA24100@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:29:04 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is any work outside the Labs planned for a SPARC kernel? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:32:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21597 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:32:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21589 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132cMx-0005hk-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:19:51 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:15:33 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006151549.LAA23984@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list References: <200006151522.LAA09382@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu servers..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In message <200006151522.LAA09382@pali.cps.cmich.edu>, Ish Rattan writes: In context of installing a file and cpu server more details will be helpful. Hi Ishwar, I'm also awaiting a concise set of instructions for installing a self-contained terminal/CPU-server/disk-server. It would be ideal if WORM backups, DNS, and the whole set of Plan9 services could be functional on one system. I think people at the Labs are working on getting out a basic document. Best regards, Steve P.S. This may not help much, but to answer your immediate question about building kernels, Steve Kotsopoulos at http://www.fywss.com/plan9/info/steve/plan9.admin, suggests this: Subject: Compiling kernels cd /sys/src/9/pc mk 'CONF=pcdisk' I did this, replaced /386/9pcdisk with the resulting file, and also ran gzip 9pcdisk to standard out (naming the results 9pcdisk.gz) for a boot floppy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:37:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21915 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:37:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21903 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-220-8.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.220.8]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25569 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24112 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:36:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200006151636.MAA24112@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Java, ML, C++, and Perl Languages on Plan9? Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:36:59 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu People are asking me if these languges are available on Plan9. I'd imagine there's an SML port used internally at the Labs, and I thought I'd read about Kaffe. I'm imagining that Perl could be gotten working with APE and a lot of hacking... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:44:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22299 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:44:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (maynard.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.243]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22295 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-220-8.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.220.8]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22942 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24132 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:44:01 -0400 Message-Id: <200006151644.MAA24132@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] An "iBCS" Layer for Plan9? Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:44:00 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm wondering if combined with an X11 server if something like iBCS (iBCS is short for Intel Binary Compatibility Standard) could be used to move applications over to PC Plan9 terminals? Reference: http://www.purplet.demon.co.uk/linux/ibcs/ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:54:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22688 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:54:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA22684 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151654.MAA22684@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Java, ML, C++, and Perl Languages on Plan9? From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:54:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Java is a big deal to get working because in a failure of vision we made the file name elements too short. It's a project rising fast on our to-do list to fix that problem and then we'll be able to port Java, which has its own failure of vision in requiring long names in the file system. SML is available locally but the Plan 9 port is quite old. I'll sniff around and see if I can get the ML folks to update it. Someone did get Perl going a long time ago, if I remember right, but I don't remember who. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 12:59:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA22919 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:59:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from zappa.esys.ca (zappa.esys.ca [198.161.92.28]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22909 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lyndon@localhost) by zappa.esys.ca (8.11.0.Beta0/8.11.0.Beta0) id e5FGwvL67822; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:58:57 -0600 (MDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] third edition, installation experiences References: <14664.40270.247833.183990@nautilus.dat.escet.urjc.es> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: 15 Jun 2000 10:58:57 -0600 In-Reply-To: nemo@gsyc.escet.urjc.es's message of "Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:26:48 GMT" Message-ID: Lines: 225 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070099 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.99) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>> Just to let you know that Plan 9 runs just fine on a Dell >>> Inspiron 7k. Lyndon> Did you have to modify vgadb? When I tried to install it > No. I just lied, I just said I have a `versalx' (1024x768) even though I > don't think I got one on the i7k :-) Okay, I tried this, but still no joy. This time the screen is readable enough that I can see the mouse pointer, but there's still lots of junk, and the machine freezes up solid. (I did the cold-start from power-down as you suggested.) Could I get you to send me the plan9.ini, vgadb and vgainfo.txt from your boot floppy? I'm beginning to think we might have different revisions of the LT Pro chipset (or else something is different between our hardware configurations). Here's my vgainfo.txt from the latest attempt: main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vga->dump vga misc E7 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 73 4F 4F 97 53 84 B4 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 06 90 91 87 8F 28 1F 8F B5 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 8388608 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC00F4=MACH64 mach64xx->dump mach64xx pci 2fce0 regtable pciregs io e800 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F0073 mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 00040053 mach64xx VTotalDisp 018F01B4 mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 00070191 mach64xx VlineCrntVline 008B03FF mach64xx OffPitch 0A000000 mach64xx IntCntl C0000134 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 024B0200 mach64xx OvrClr B517DDD5 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 7FACF009 mach64xx CurClr1 CC093460 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04100400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00AD0000 mach64xx BusCntl 7333A101 mach64xx MemCntl 10751A7B mach64xx ExtMemCntl 64000C01 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF3440 mach64xx DacCntl 8701200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00003F42 mach64xx ConfigChipId DC004C42 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00A40095 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 004709D9 mach64xx DspOnOff 04F00714 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000405 mach64xx LcdData 80000000 mach64xx PLL AD D5 40 64 D9 03 C0 D4 - D4 D4 00 F1 A6 1B 00 00 06 A8 80 00 18 A3 CC 10 - 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 mach64xx LCD ConfigPanel 0F030274 mach64xx LCD GenCntl 406D24D6 mach64xx LCD DstnCntl 00000000 mach64xx LCD HfbPitchAddr 00000F00 mach64xx LCD HorzStretch C0000A00 mach64xx LCD VertStretch 80000000 mach64xx LCD ExtVertStretch 0057FF00 mach64xx LCD LtGio 00007000 mach64xx LCD PowerMngmnt 0200040B mach64xx LCD ZvgPio 02000000 mach64xx VCLK0 31619314 mach64xx VCLK1 31619314 mach64xx VCLK2 31619314 mach64xx VCLK3 0 rom table offset 10A freq table offset 8F6 memclk 100000000 ref_freq 29500000 ref_divider 64 min_freq 9840000 max_freq 236000000 pd 0 value 4 (|4) post = 3 mach64xx pixel clock = 65140000 vmf 65000000 vmdf 75000000 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init mach64xx->init rom table offset 10A freq table offset 8F6 memclk 10000 memclk 10000... x 12.307692...t 12... xprec 4...fifosz 393.846154...fprec 9...prec 4...afifosz 32...fifooff 380.000000...pfc 7...rcc 9...fifoon 42.000000... dbdumpmode type=versalx, size=1024x768x8 frequency=65000000 x=1024 (0x400), y=768 (0x300), z=8 (0x8) ht=1328 (0x530), shb=1096 (0x448), ehb=1232 (0x4D0) shs=1072 (0x430), ehs=1232 (0x4D0) vt=806 (0x326), vrs=771 (0x303), vre=777 (0x309) hsync=45, vsync=45, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt A1 7F 88 9A 86 1A324 FD - 00 60 00 00 00 00 00 00 303 292FF 80 60303304 A3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 31619314 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 64 vga clock[0] n p q r 212 3 - 0 0 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 8388608 vga apz 8388608 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC00F4=MACH64 mach64xx->dump mach64xx flag Ulinear|Uenhanced|Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf mach64xx pci 2fce0 regtable pciregs io e800 portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 007F00A5 mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 00340085 mach64xx VTotalDisp 02FF0325 mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 00260302 mach64xx VlineCrntVline 008B03FF mach64xx OffPitch 20000000 mach64xx IntCntl 00000000 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 030B0200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 7FACF009 mach64xx CurClr1 CC093460 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04100400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00000002 mach64xx BusCntl 7333A101 mach64xx MemCntl 10751A7B mach64xx ExtMemCntl 64000C01 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00010000 mach64xx DacRegs 00FF3440 mach64xx DacCntl 8701200A mach64xx GenTestCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigChipId DC004C42 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00A40095 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 004A0627 mach64xx DspOnOff 00A805F0 mach64xx DpBkgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpChainMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpFrgdClr FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpMix FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpPixWidth 00020202 mach64xx DpSrc FFFFFFFF mach64xx DpWriteMsk FFFFFFFF mach64xx LcdIndex 00000405 mach64xx LcdData 80000000 mach64xx PLL AD D5 40 64 D9 03 C0 D4 - D4 D4 00 F1 A6 1B 00 00 06 A8 80 00 18 A3 CC 10 - 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 mach64xx LCD ConfigPanel 0F034274 mach64xx LCD GenCntl 406D20D2 mach64xx LCD DstnCntl 00000000 mach64xx LCD HfbPitchAddr 00000F00 mach64xx LCD HorzStretch 00000A00 mach64xx LCD VertStretch 00000000 mach64xx LCD ExtVertStretch 0017FB00 mach64xx LCD LtGio 00007000 mach64xx LCD PowerMngmnt 0200040B mach64xx LCD ZvgPio 02000000 mach64xx VCLK0 31619314 mach64xx VCLK1 31619314 mach64xx VCLK2 31619314 mach64xx VCLK3 0 rom table offset 10A freq table offset 8F6 memclk 100000000 ref_freq 29500000 ref_divider 64 min_freq 9840000 max_freq 236000000 pd 0 value 4 (|4) post = 3 mach64xx pixel clock = 65140000 main->exits --lyndon In the force if Yoda's so strong, construct a sentence with words in the proper order then why can't he? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 13:02:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23133 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (crufty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23122 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nslocum.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.8.38]) by crufty; Thu Jun 15 13:01:34 EDT 2000 Received: from hwtpc (hwt-pc.cs.bell-labs.com [135.104.53.98]) by nslocum.cs.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA4347331 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01b601bfd6eb$5c1a2860$62356887@cs.belllabs.com> From: "Howard Trickey" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006151636.MAA24112@fuji.homenet> Subject: Re: [9fans] Java, ML, C++, and Perl Languages on Plan9? Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:01:33 -0400 Organization: Lucent Technologies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > People are asking me if these languges are available on Plan9. I'd > imagine there's an SML port used internally at the Labs, and I thought > I'd read about Kaffe. I'm imagining that Perl could be gotten working > with APE and a lot of hacking... Sean Dorward and then I worked on making SML run on Plan 9, on the Sparc and Mips architecture, but not the Intel one, and also not since SML version 108. A fair amount of assembly hacking was required, not trivial, since Plan 9 assemblers take a different format than the standard assemblers for various architectures. If anyone wants to do the (fairly substantial) amount of work necessary to make it run on an Intel with the current version of SML, let me know and I can send what we did here as a starting point. Someone (sorry, forgotten the name) make Perl work on the previous version of Plan 9, and I think the changes for Plan 9 made it into the Perl source (don't know if they're still there though). Howard Trickey From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 13:14:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23629 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:14:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA23622 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151714.NAA23622@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:14:45 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Java, ML, C++, and Perl Languages on Plan9? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Someone (don't remember who) did the work to get Perl 5 to compile on Plan 9 ``out of the box'', where out of the box isn't quite that, but close. I was toying with porting SML/NJ but it was a bigger project than I wanted at the time. I did get Moscow ML, which uses a bytecode interpreter, running pretty well. I plan to wrap both of these up later, perhaps this weekend. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 13:32:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24203 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24198 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132dAL-0006gb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:10:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:05:35 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006151644.MAA24132@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: [9fans] An "iBCS" Layer for Plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm wondering if combined with an X11 server if something like iBCS (iBCS is short for Intel Binary Compatibility Standard) could be used to move applications over to PC Plan9 terminals? Reference: http://www.purplet.demon.co.uk/linux/ibcs/ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 13:40:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24586 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24581 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132dAL-0006gh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:10:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:08:04 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006151636.MAA24112@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: [9fans] Java, ML, C++, and Perl Languages on Plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu People are asking me if these languges are available on Plan9. I'd imagine there's an SML port used internally at the Labs, and I thought I'd read about Kaffe. I'm imagining that Perl could be gotten working with APE and a lot of hacking... 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Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:17:48 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There must be 9ish ways to do all of these things: UNIX Plan9 df(1) ? mount(1) [-p flag] np more(1) p (I want less(1), actually.) shutdown(1m) disk/kfscmd halt (and?) id(1) ? find(1) ? (!) apropos(1) ? uptime(1) ? head(1) sed -n 1,Np netstat(1m) [-r flag] ? last(1) ? vmstat(1m) ? iostat(1m) ? nfsstat(1m) ? (for 9fs) ufs{dump|restore}(1m) ? pkginfo(1m) ? snoop(1m) ? tcpdump(1) ? Maybe an updated guide like Steve Kotsopoulos' v2 tips page would be nice. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 14:30:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26306 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:30:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pop.ajubasolutions.com (pop.ajubasolutions.com [209.24.201.136]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA26302 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from khaavren (khaavren.ajubasolutions.com [206.184.219.53]) by pop.ajubasolutions.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24005; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000615112912.05195580@mail1.ajubasolutions.com> X-Sender: berry@mail1.ajubasolutions.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:33:47 -0700 To: Stephen Wynne , 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Berry Kercheval Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? In-Reply-To: <200006151817.OAA24404@fuji.homenet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu At 02:17 PM 06/15/2000 -0400, Stephen Wynne wrote: > head(1) sed -n 1,Np If you want to show the first, say, 10 lines, it's easier to just type "sed 10q" Remember that the default sed action is p. --berry -- Berry Kercheval :: Ajuba Solutions :: http://www.ajubasolutions.com Berry@ajubasolutions.com (Formerly Scriptics Corp.) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 14:51:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA26989 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:51:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA26985 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151851.OAA26985@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Redistribution From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:51:35 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Several people have asked about how the license affects their ability to make the sources available on their own sites, such as through cross-referencing services or as archives on non-Plan 9 systems that present the source for browsing. I talked to our lawyers to make sure I understood the rules, and I did. The rules are simple: 1. Everyone who sees the material provided by the service must have agreed to the terms of the license. The simplest way to do this is, as we did in the distribution, is to require people to click a check box agreeing to the license. The license should be made available to users so they can read it before clicking. 2. The export restrictions on cryptography are nasty to implement. We worked quite hard to do reverse DNS and all that stuff to determine the country of origin - and you need to do a lot more than that to meet the U.S. Commerce department requirements. The easiest way to deal with the issue is to avoid presenting the cryptographic code, and that's why I recommend. If all your users are known to you, that is, if you don't have outside visitors to your site, this is not an issue for American sites. Reiterating, if you make the crypto sources available to outsiders without these restrictions in place, you are violating Federal law. To avoid this, just don't make the crypto sources available, but require people to get them from us. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 15:00:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27297 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:00:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA27293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151900.PAA27293@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:00:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu df(1) disk/kfscmd check (kinda) mount(1) [-p flag] np more(1) p shutdown(1m) disk/kfscmd halt id(1) echo $user or cat /dev/user find(1) du -a apropos(1) lookman uptime(1) echo $boottime head(1) sed 10q netstat(1m) [-r flag] netstat last(1) N.A. vmstat(1m) cat /dev/sysstat iostat(1m) cat /net/ether0/0/stats and things like that; also run stats(1) plan 9 iostats(4) is much more intersing nfsstat(1m) iostats(4) is close ufs{dump|restore}(1m) yesterday pkginfo(1m) ?? snoop(1m) snoopy(8) tcpdump(1) snoopy(8) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 15:02:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27435 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:02:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27430 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 132euU-000133-0A for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:02:39 +0000 Message-ID: <033301bfd6fc$31753210$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006151817.OAA24404@fuji.homenet> Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:02:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu find(1) du -a | grep (at least to do -name anyway) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Wynne" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:17 PM Subject: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? > There must be 9ish ways to do all of these things: > > UNIX Plan9 > > df(1) ? > mount(1) [-p flag] np > more(1) p (I want less(1), actually.) > shutdown(1m) disk/kfscmd halt (and?) > id(1) ? > find(1) ? (!) > apropos(1) ? > uptime(1) ? > head(1) sed -n 1,Np > netstat(1m) [-r flag] ? > last(1) ? > vmstat(1m) ? > iostat(1m) ? > nfsstat(1m) ? (for 9fs) > ufs{dump|restore}(1m) ? > pkginfo(1m) ? > snoop(1m) ? > tcpdump(1) ? > > Maybe an updated guide like Steve Kotsopoulos' v2 tips page would be > nice. 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I've tried 9fs from the terminal, but the fileserver isn't responding. Also, I don't have the fs commands route or arp from the console. Could my nic (i82557) not be properly configured? -- It's recognized just fine. thanks, sam From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 15:06:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA27711 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:06:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA27668 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132ejz-00009M-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:51:47 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:45:35 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006151817.OAA24404@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There must be 9ish ways to do all of these things: UNIX Plan9 df(1) ? mount(1) [-p flag] np more(1) p (I want less(1), actually.) shutdown(1m) disk/kfscmd halt (and?) id(1) ? find(1) ? (!) apropos(1) ? uptime(1) ? head(1) sed -n 1,Np netstat(1m) [-r flag] ? last(1) ? vmstat(1m) ? iostat(1m) ? nfsstat(1m) ? (for 9fs) ufs{dump|restore}(1m) ? pkginfo(1m) ? snoop(1m) ? tcpdump(1) ? Maybe an updated guide like Steve Kotsopoulos' v2 tips page would be nice. 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If you need to contact me: before June 12: cell phone 650-224-7647 after June 12: http://sunrentals.an/HT-P-SMARTpage.html, call rental office at bottom of page --Dan From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 15:14:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28294 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28288 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:02 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006151914.PAA28288@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:12:05 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ufs{dump|restore}(1m) yesterday also disk/mkext -a with appropriate options (use disk/mkext to extract) to make more conventional backups if you haven't the wonder of a file server. (note that you can configure a file server as a pseudo worm on normal discs if you haven't got a jukebox, and use mkfs or some other means to make snapshots to recover from disaster) also see mk9660, and cdfs with writable cds (or cdrw), which i am just now trying, as it happens. the new wrap helps to create packages of software. not really a backup but it's bound to have peculiar uses. pkginfo(1m) ?? guessing that it's bound up with the pkginstall stuff, i suppose the closest equivalent is wrap/info and gunzip ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:32 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA06832; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151914.PAA06832@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:29 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Brian Kernighan wrote for the second edition, ``Plan 9 is not UNIX. If you think of it as UNIX, you'll often be frustrated because something doesn't exist or works differently. If you think of it as Plan 9, however, you'll find that most of it works very smoothly, and that there are some truly neat ideas that make things much cleaner than you have seen before''. That quoted, I sometimes miss df and uptime too. df(1) ? There's no way to do this in the file protocol, so in general, you can't. The last paragraph of the "The File Server" section in the Plan 9 from Bell Labs paper explains one reason why. A shell script a bit large to post here works on kfs partitions. hget http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/plan9/df more(1) p (I want less(1), actually.) Experiment with scroll mode and noscroll mode in rio's button 2 menu. shutdown(1m) disk/kfscmd halt (and?) And Ctl-Alt-Del or ^T^Tr. If you're booting from a network file server (and thus have no kfs local disk), you can just turn the machine off. It takes a little getting used to. id(1) ? cat /dev/user echo $user grep $user /adm/users id(1) doesn't really make too much sense, since who you are depends on which file server you are speaking with. I am the plan9.bell-labs.com rsc on some 9P connections, the eecs.harvard.edu rsc on other 9P connections, and just none on some u9fs over SSH connections. find(1) ? (!) du -a | awk '{print $2}' is usually a good start. apropos(1) ? man(1) is usually enough that this hasn't been done. uptime(1) ? cat /dev/time (see cons(3))/ A shell script a bit too ugly to post here is at hget http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/plan9/uptime, netstat(1m) [-r flag] ? cat /dev/iproute (see ip(3)) last(1) ? This doesn't make a whole lot of sense even in UNIX. Since we don't have ttys, it makes even less sense here -- when do you log and when do you not? What's the difference between someone who is logged in and a cron job running as that person? How can you tell? vmstat(1m) ? cat /dev/swap stats -mw gets you some of that. iostat(1m) ? nfsstat(1m) ? (for 9fs) Poke around in '#z' and have a look at /sys/src/9/port/devmntstats.c snoop(1m) ? tcpdump(1) ? snoopy(8) ufs{dump|restore}(1m) ? pkginfo(1m) ? mkfs(8) and wrap(8). Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 15:22:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA28836 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:22:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA28832 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006151922.PAA28832@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:22:13 -0400 To: stevemw@mindspring.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm hazy on two of these: df(1) ? last(1) ? Here are reasonable answers for the remaining ones: mount(1) [-p flag] mount(1) bind(1) unmount(1) 9fs(1) srv(1) import(4) exportfs(4) -p ns(1) more(1) p (I want less(1), actually.) cat(1) with scroll disabled in the window DELETE kills the cat and scrolls to the bottom cursor up and down act as page up and page down If I need to search, I use plumbing (or type B filename) to push it into acme(1) or sam(1). shutdown(1m) disk/kfscmd halt echo reboot > /dev/reboot echo panic > /dev/reboot id(1) grep `{cat /dev/user} /adm/users find(1) grep pattern `{du -a root} apropos(1) lookman(1) uptime(1) http://www.csh-east.org/~tad/plan9/uptime.c head(1) sed -n 1,Np sed Nq netstat(1m) [-r flag] netstat(1) -r cat /net/iproute vmstat(1m) stats(1) iostat(1m) iostats(4) nfsstat(1m) iostats(4) ufs{dump|restore}(1m) fs(4) history(1) yesterday(1) pkginfo(1m) wrap(8) snoop(1m) snoopy(8) tcpdump(1) snoopy(8) -Tad From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 15:32:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29261 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29257 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA05986; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006151932.PAA05986@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu also see mk9660, and cdfs with writable cds (or cdrw), which i am just now trying, as it happens. The BUGS section of the mk9660(8) man page is worth pointing out. I'm still trying to get the Joliet stuff right, but Microsoft is a bit finicky and I haven't really gotten back to it since the distribution happened. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 15:33:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA29333 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:33:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA29295 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id PAA05902 Message-Id: <200006151932.PAA05902@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> Date: Thu Jun 15 20:12:05 EDT 2000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ufs{dump|restore}(1m) yesterday also disk/mkext -a with appropriate options (use disk/mkext to extract) to make more conventional backups if you haven't the wonder of a file server. (note that you can configure a file server as a pseudo worm on normal discs if you haven't got a jukebox, and use mkfs or some other means to make snapshots to recover from disaster) the new wrap helps to create packages of software. not really a backup but it's bound to have peculiar uses. pkginfo(1m) ?? guessing that it's bound up with the pkginstall stuff, i suppose the closest equivalent is wrap/info and gunzip ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006151945.PAA29867@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:45:34 -0400 To: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com, stevemw@mindspring.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > find(1) grep pattern `{du -a root} Whoops > find(1) grep pattern `{du -a root} -name du -a root | grep name pattern in a file grep -n pattern `{du -a root | awk '{print $2}} -Tad From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 17:15:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02738 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:15:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02727 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sah@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10386 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hopkins Message-Id: <200006152108.RAA10386@new.borf.com> Subject: [9fans] fs configuration with the ether i82557 Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Heya, If you're planning on setting up a fileserver with the i82557 nic, you'll need to edit the code in your /sys/src/fs//ether82557.c file. Currently it only checks and sets for the 100 mbps setup, and otherwise leaves it 0. This unfortunately makes the fileserver's network capabilities nonexistent. Around line 1043 you'll see the conditional: if(bmcr & 0x2000) ether->mbps = 100; Add: else ether->mbps = 10; and you'll be set. sam From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 17:20:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03011 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02987 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sah@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10401 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cse.psu.edu (majordom@claven.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.50]) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA10391; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA02771; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:15:07 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA02738 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:15:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA02727 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sah@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10386 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:08:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hopkins Message-Id: <200006152108.RAA10386@new.borf.com> Subject: [9fans] fs configuration with the ether i82557 Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Heya, If you're planning on setting up a fileserver with the i82557 nic, you'll need to edit the code in your /sys/src/fs//ether82557.c file. Currently it only checks and sets for the 100 mbps setup, and otherwise leaves it 0. This unfortunately makes the fileserver's network capabilities nonexistent. Around line 1043 you'll see the conditional: if(bmcr & 0x2000) ether->mbps = 100; Add: else ether->mbps = 10; and you'll be set. sam From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 18:14:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04365 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:14:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04360 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07942; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006152214.PAA07942@ohio.river.org> From: Richard To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] UNIX to Plan9 Command Translation? In-Reply-To: <200006151922.PAA28832@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006151922.PAA28832@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu tad@plan9.bell-labs.com writes: > more(1) p (I want less(1), actually.) > > cat(1) with >scroll disabled in the window > DELETE kills the cat and scrolls to the bottom > cursor up and down act as page up and page down > If I need to search, I use plumbing (or type B filename) > to push it into acme(1) or sam(1). could you keep lines shorter than 80 chars in the future? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 18:41:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA04926 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:41:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09824 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:41:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006152241.SAA09824@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9pc compilation Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu aborts with error as it is not able to find /386/lib/libcrypt.a Any pointers? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 18:46:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05112 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:46:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05108 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09848 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 18:46:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006152246.SAA09848@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9pc prob solved.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu by replacing -lcrypt by -lsec - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 19:11:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA05647 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:11:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA05643 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006152311.TAA05643@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9pc prob solved.. From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:10:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu by replacing -lcrypt by -lsec This should have been fixed in the update packages available for download. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 20:20:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06837 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:20:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06831 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09589; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006160020.RAA09589@ohio.river.org> From: Richard Uhtenwoldt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu service provider In-Reply-To: <200006151619.MAA20956@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006151619.MAA20956@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox writes: >The intended use of the system is to have >separate machines for everything -- a file >server, a cpu server, and terminals. >That said, it is probably unrealistic >to expect single users to dedicate a >minimum of three machines to get a Plan 9 >network going. I wish some enterprising Plan 9 hacker would sell accounts on an expertly-maintained Plan 9 network and makes those accounts available via a reliable connection to the internet. Per analogy with an "application service provider" (ASP), such an enterprising hacker would be a "Plan 9 file- and cpu-service provider" (9SP). to enjoy a rich Plan 9 experience, a home user would need only an account with the 9SP, internet connectivity and a Plan 9 terminal able to connect to the internet. if I understand correctly, the home user would be relieved not only of the burden of installing and maintaining u9fs(4) or fs(4) and backing up its data, but also of the burden of installing and upgrading (most? all?) applications. is there some technical obstacle to this working? in particular, can a terminal use the public internet to connect to a cpu server and a file server? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 20:51:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07448 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA07442 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dinero.eecs.harvard.edu (dinero.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.234]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id UAA08237; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006160051.UAA08237@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> Received: from COM ([166.141.94.98]) by dinero; Thu Jun 15 20:51:06 EDT 2000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu service provider From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:51:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MultiMail PRO (c) 1998-2000 3.1 DEMO, Actual Software Corp. X-Sender: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >is there some technical obstacle to this >working? in particular, can a terminal use the >public internet to connect to a cpu server and >a file server? As long as you can get IL packets through, you're golden. I had TCP working once - it wouldn't be that hard to do again. Just add aux/fcall into /sys/src/9/boot/configip.c. On a related note, I set up a standalone cpu/auth/file server last night for personal use and took notes. A polished version can now be found at the end of plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.html,.ps,.pdf. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 22:16:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09431 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:16:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09419 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sah@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00968 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:09:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hopkins Message-Id: <200006160209.WAA00968@new.borf.com> Subject: [9fans] cpu server initialization Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Heya, From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 22:17:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09551 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09525 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132ldY-0004Bf-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:13:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:43:31 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN References: <200006150839.EAA10501@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > Now, one more test for just kidding. :-) > > Does this mean "$B7n$N$&$5$.(B"(tsukino usagi)? I don't know, I'm Japanese-impaired. :P I'll learn it someday, when I have the time... "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 22:26:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10097 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:26:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from new.borf.com (new.borf.com [205.185.197.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA10085 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from sah@localhost) by new.borf.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA01000 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:19:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hopkins Message-Id: <200006160219.WAA01000@new.borf.com> Subject: [9fans] cpu server init Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Heya, Sorry about that last message, mail problems. I now have my fileserver up, and I'm having trouble getting the cpu server up. Any possible suggestions? sam From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 22:43:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA10754 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:43:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA10747 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006160242.WAA10747@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu server init From: "rob pike" Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:42:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I now have my fileserver up, and I'm having trouble getting the cpu server up. Any possible suggestions? Please define 'trouble'. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 15 23:49:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12164 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:49:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA12159 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006160349.XAA12159@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fs configuration with the ether i82557 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:49:11 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Heya, > >If you're planning on setting up a fileserver with the i82557 nic, >you'll need to edit the code in your /sys/src/fs//ether82557.c >file. Currently it only checks and sets for the 100 mbps setup, >and otherwise leaves it 0. This unfortunately makes the fileserver's >network capabilities nonexistent. > >Around line 1043 you'll see the conditional: > if(bmcr & 0x2000) > ether->mbps = 100; >Add: > else > ether->mbps = 10; > >and you'll be set. > >sam You will find many such inconsistencies in the fileserver code. Because the code was developed from a much earlier version of Plan 9 it is always a pain to add or update drivers and the lack of enthusiasm shows. Fortunately we don't need to fiddle with it often. After I return from Usenix and am laid-off from my work as Customer Service Rep. in the Plan 9 Fulfillment Centre I plan to do some work on the fileserver kernel and address some of the inconsistencies. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 00:14:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA12733 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:14:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA12729 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006160414.AAA12729@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Which file server is recommended? From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 00:14:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu There are two PC file servers, emellie (16Kbyte block) and plan9pc (4 Kbyte block). I suppose emelie for better performance and plan9pc for economic... Am I doing anything wrong? That's the tradeoff. Speed vs. economy. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 01:24:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA13707 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:24:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.md.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.md.home.com [24.2.2.66]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA13702 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from null.net ([24.3.19.130]) by mail.rdc1.md.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000616052412.VEHY26205.mail.rdc1.md.home.com@null.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:24:12 -0700 Message-ID: <3949B9CB.B9686E20@null.net> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:23:23 -0400 From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9pc compilation References: <200006152241.SAA09824@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Ish Rattan wrote: > aborts with error as it is not able to find > /386/lib/libcrypt.a I think it's supposed to be libsec.a From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:30:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16443 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16428 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sD0-0003BX-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:38 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:11:23 GMT From: Oscar Gala Message-ID: <3948a500.11168068@news.arnhem.chello.nl> Organization: Phatspace.org Subject: [9fans] S3 775/325 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I have a S3 Trio64 videocard with the 86C775 chipset and a S3 Virge with the 86C325 Chipset, but I can't get them to work with the Plan9 installation. At firt I would get ascreen dump of the Bios Rom, and I made an entry in the vgadb, but then the installation got hung up in vga mode and I just saw the cursor blinking, but couldn't do anything. Does this mean the cards are not compatible with Plan9, or that I have to make a different entry in vgadb? And if that is the case, could someone help me with that? Thanx, Oscar Gala From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:31:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16460 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16436 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCz-0003BK-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:10:47 GMT From: abhay puri Message-ID: <39490C84.89061E29@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006141358.JAA12281@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu urrks. any refs to a quick guide to building and installing a kernel? mk kernels in /sys/src doesn't seem to be set up quite right. presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > You're probably getting done in by the maximum queued calls being > 5 for any service. You can change that to any number by changing > Maxincall in /sys/src/9/ip/ip.h and recompiling the kernel. I should > probably make it a writable parameter. > > If that's not you're problem, I don't know what is. The release has > the max number of tcp channels set at 512 (same file, enum Nchans). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:31:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16474 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:31:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16448 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCy-0003B1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:09:44 GMT From: Terry Bayne Message-ID: Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Reply-To: gnome@hiwaay.net Subject: [9fans] Help! Installation Problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Yesterday I attempted my first plan 9 installation. My system: AMD K6/2 @450 MHz 128 MB of RAM Matrox MII NE2000 Compatible Network Card 2 IDE Drives 1 Floppy Drive Adaptec 2940 SCSI Zip Drive I downloaded a boot floppy image and used rawrite.exe to make a boot floppy. The floppy is ok, because I test booted it on another system when I had problems. When I attempt to boot from the installation floppy I see the following: PBS... Plan 9 from Bell Labs using fd0!dos!plan9.ini Boot Devices: fd0, sdc0, sdd0 boot from: At the prompt I tried specifying the boot drive and file like so: fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz For which I was rewarded with the message: No such fat partition I have verified (under Windows/Dos) that the floppy does indeed contain a file called 9pcflop.gz. I have, using a boot floppy installed BeOS on this system. And Windows 2000 is currently loaded there as well. Floppy drive access appears to work just fine in both BeOS and Windows. Just as a test I booted a Dos bootable floppy - it works fine. So any ideas what I should try next? Thanks Terry Bayne gnome@hiwaay.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:31:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16491 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:31:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16442 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCz-0003BE-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:10:28 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39482F0A.EE5DC286@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu renee french wrote: > those are feet. It's good to get the authoritative answer! Nice bunny -- at first (in tiny icon size) I thought it might be a Pokemon, maybe a cuddly thing that turns into a fighting monster.. Of course, it could still be that! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:32:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16663 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16606 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sIM-0003G4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:20:10 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:15:57 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3949B7B0.3A46B148@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006151552.LAA19826@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] [Q] Sound Blaster for PCI bus Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > Yes, Sound Blaster 16 and later are > supported. I run a SB32 on my PCI bus. Warning! In the stores now is a Creative product called "SoundBlaster 16 PCI". The one I bought turned out to be an *ISA* board, PnP daddratit, not PCI. Apparently CL has issued some sort of "SoundBlaster PCI" spec that applies even to non-PCI cards (I guess programming them must be limited to what will work on the least common denominator of (ISA,PCI)), and they're using the "PCI" label for the latter also. I haven't yet brought up Plan 9 on the system where I installed that card, but soon will, so we'll see.. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:42:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16854 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16657 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCx-0003Aj-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:08:53 GMT From: Matthew Crosby Message-ID: <3947c14c$1@cs.colorado.edu> Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Subject: [9fans] supported vga adaptors Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to put together a box for this version of plan 9, however I can't find a list anywhere of which graphic adaptors are supported in vgadb on the web site. I assume it's changed since v2? Is it there and I'm just not missing it? -- Matthew Crosby crosby@cs.colorado.edu Disclaimer: It was in another country, and besides, the wench is dead. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:43:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16801 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16666 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sD0-0003BQ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:38 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:11:04 GMT From: Roberto Biancardi Message-ID: <39489D69.8555CC99@bware.it> Organization: Bware Technologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] nfsserver problems ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu i'am having trouble mounting the plan9 fs from linux; most of the times doing 'ls' on the remote mounted plan9 machine i got no results and the following appears in the /sys/log/nfs: plan9 Jun 15 10:11:40 xmesg bad convM2S 1460 45 29 25 1c plan9 Jun 15 10:11:40 xmesg bad convM2S 56 00 00 00 00 getting files with cp seems to work fine. any suggestion ? -- Roberto Biancardi - biancardi@bware.it From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:44:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16794 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:33:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16640 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCx-0003Ad-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:08:35 GMT From: Terry Bayne Message-ID: Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Subject: [9fans] Boot/Install Floppy Woes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I am trying to install Plan 9 for the first time. I downloaded a boot floppy image from the website, and downloaded the image file. When I attempt to boot from the floppy I get the following: PBS... Plan 9 from Bell Labs using fd0!dos!plan9.ini Boot Devices: fd0, sdc0, sdd0 Boot from: At this point I tried entering: fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz Which returns a No such fat partition Any ideas anyone? Thanks Terry Bayne gnome@advicom.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:45:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16852 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16695 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCy-0003Av-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:09:29 GMT From: jfox@airmail.net Message-ID: <3947f255.3113406@news.airmail.net> Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Reply-To: jfox@airmail.net Subject: [9fans] Is Plan9 in my future? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'd like to play around with Plan9 but it does not look like my hardware is supported yet. I have a Creative Labs Riva TNT card. I've read here that it's not yet on the hardware compatibility list. Is this likely to change in the near future? I have not looked at Plan9 since 1995 so I don't know how fast things change with it. Also, what about applications? I don't need for Plan9 to be useful for me to play with it but some apps besides the bare OS would be nice. Are there websites (besides the official one) where I can learn more about Plan9? Something like 'Plan9 for newbies'. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:46:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16865 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16720 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sD1-0003Bf-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:39 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:11:49 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8iac73$2hal$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] Question on difference in diskette and harddisk booting Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, It seems there are different '9load' files on boot diskette and on '9fat' partition on hard disk. It also seems that I can boot only with diskette's '9load' (then loading image 'sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk' ). When I boot from harddisk (using its 'sdC0!9fat!9load' and the image 'sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk'), rio does not start. Files 'plan9.ini' on boot diskette and on 9fat partition are identical. What else may differ in these ways of booting ? I tried to do so: a: 9fat: mv /n/9fat/9load /n/9fat/9load.1 cp /n/a:/9load /n/9fat/ but that did not help. Thanks for any suggestions. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:47:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16802 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16650 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sIK-0003Fg-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:20:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:14:38 GMT From: Ish Rattan Message-ID: <3948DF01.550EE475@mail.cps.cmich.edu> Organization: Central Michigan University Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006151019.GAA12292@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: ishwar@cps.cmich.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Which file server is recommended? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > I've now solved "key in the car" problem, and now searching the sources > to make my plan how to install the new release onto my current Plan 9 > system. (Still cannot boot from scsi disks yet) > > There are two PC file servers, emellie (16Kbyte block) and plan9pc > (4 Kbyte block). I suppose emelie for better performance and plan9pc > for economic... Am I doing anything wrong? > > Kenji Where does find the info for installing a fileserver and a cpuserver? I am assuming that 2nd edition printed docs on these are not valid any more.. -ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:49:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16806 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16670 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCy-0003Ap-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:09:08 GMT From: CoolVibe Message-ID: <8i8fb3$h8u$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Subject: [9fans] installation woes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hey, Kudo to the folks at bell-labs, for opening up on this one! Okay, for years I wanted to play around on this system, but when I try to install it on a fairly generic machine with a Matrox G200, or a S3 Trio64V+ (A generic one, not Diamond), they both hang after 'dossrv: serving #s/dos', after fiddling with vgadb (just kludging in the values/offsets that vgainfo gives). Without doing this, rio won't even start, and just spits out what ends up in vgainfo.txt. Seems that VGA is my only hurdle here. Hope the driver support gets better. I'm still very anctious about trying this out. Oh, and another thing. It would be really nice if this puppy could run in VMWare. Check http://www.vmware.com/ for more information. This way, people without the right hardware can still develop software for plan9 in a virtual machine. Cheers, CoolVibe From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:57:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16798 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:33:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16630 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sIK-0003Fs-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:20:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:15:14 GMT From: Eric Lee Green Message-ID: <39499363.8C5BA7AE@badtux.org> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006151851.OAA26985@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rob pike wrote: > 2. The export restrictions on cryptography are nasty to implement. But note that these export restrictions only apply to compiled binaries. If you want to, e.g., provide a CVS archive of the Plan 9 source code, all you have to do to comply with the export regulations is notify the appropriate folks (I suggest going through the crypto registration tee at crypto.com so that other people know that you have cryptographic source code for download). I won't comment on the whole license restrictions thingy, except to note that dozens of other major corporations have no problem with providing their software via a Mozilla-type license like the Plan 9 license without having to go through some sort of license front end. -- Eric Lee Green There is No Conspiracy eric@badtux.org http://www.badtux.org From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:58:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16762 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:33:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16612 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sIM-0003Fy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:20:10 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:15:30 GMT From: Wesley Felter Message-ID: Organization: Road Runner - Texas Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006151619.MAA20956@cse.psu.edu>, <200006160020.RAA09589@ohio.river.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu service provider Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu in article 200006160020.RAA09589@ohio.river.org, Richard Uhtenwoldt at ru@ohio.river.org wrote on 6/15/00 7:45 PM: > I wish some enterprising Plan 9 hacker would > sell accounts on an expertly-maintained Plan 9 > network and makes those accounts available via > a reliable connection to the internet. Per > analogy with an "application service provider" > (ASP), such an enterprising hacker would be a > "Plan 9 file- and cpu-service provider" (9SP). Speaking of ASPs and mutually hostile users, what kind of resource management does Plan 9 have? Does it have some sort of hierachical CPU, disk, and network scheduling? Does it overcommit VM? I looked at the papers directory on the Web site, but nothing there looked like it might answer these questions. Wesley Felter - wesf@cs.utexas.edu - http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/wesf/ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 05:59:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16888 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16752 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sIK-0003Fm-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:20:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:14:57 GMT From: Ish Rattan Message-ID: <394919B6.2A40B084@mail.cps.cmich.edu> Organization: Central Michigan University Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006151619.MAA20956@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: ishwar@cps.cmich.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu servers..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > I'm also awaiting a concise set of instructions for installing a > self-contained terminal/CPU-server/disk-server. It would be ideal if > WORM backups, DNS, and the whole set of Plan9 services could be > functional on one system. I think people at the Labs are working on > getting out a basic document. > > I plan to have such an addendum to the > Getting Started document late tonight. > > For now, I will note the following. > The intended use of the system is to have > separate machines for everything -- a file > server, a cpu server, and terminals. > That said, it is probably unrealistic > to expect single users to dedicate a > minimum of three machines to get a Plan 9 > network going. > > There are ways to have a combination > cpu/auth/file server via kfs, and > in fact I configured one last night and > am using a terminal booted from it at The details for this will be great!! - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 06:00:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16845 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16707 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCz-0003B8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:10:11 GMT From: Terry Bayne Message-ID: Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Reply-To: gnome@hiwaay.net Subject: [9fans] Help! Installation Problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Yesterday I attempted my first plan 9 installation. My system: AMD K6/2 @450 MHz 128 MB of RAM Matrox MII NE2000 Compatible Network Card 2 IDE Drives 1 Floppy Drive Adaptec 2940 SCSI Zip Drive I downloaded a boot floppy image and used rawrite.exe to make a boot floppy. The floppy is ok, because I test booted it on another system when I had problems. When I attempt to boot from the installation floppy I see the following: PBS... Plan 9 from Bell Labs using fd0!dos!plan9.ini Boot Devices: fd0, sdc0, sdd0 boot from: At the prompt I tried specifying the boot drive and file like so: fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz For which I was rewarded with the message: No such fat partition I have verified (under Windows/Dos) that the floppy does indeed contain a file called 9pcflop.gz. I have, using a boot floppy installed BeOS on this system. And Windows 2000 is currently loaded there as well. Floppy drive access appears to work just fine in both BeOS and Windows. Just as a test I booted a Dos bootable floppy - it works fine. So any ideas what I should try next? Thanks Terry Bayne gnome@hiwaay.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 06:04:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18957 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:04:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA18948 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006161004.GAA18948@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Is Plan9 in my future? Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:02:46 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bztrgdxqqpnunsppvkhaupbpga" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bztrgdxqqpnunsppvkhaupbpga Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>I have not looked at Plan9 since 1995 so I don't know how fast things change with it. it has changed a lot: graphics model, window system, supporting tools, IP stack, device support, kernel internals, compiler suite, .... it's all rather different, though obviously still plan 9. acme, the plumber, and the mail file system & faces working together is remarkably slick. --upas-bztrgdxqqpnunsppvkhaupbpga Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.36]) by lavoro; Fri Jun 16 10:51:58 BST 2000 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 961148763:10:09811:0; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:46:03 GMT Received: from claven.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116951; 16 Jun 2000 9:46 GMT Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA17571; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:45:43 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16852 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16695 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCy-0003Av-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:09:29 GMT From: jfox@airmail.net Message-ID: <3947f255.3113406@news.airmail.net> Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Reply-To: jfox@airmail.net Subject: [9fans] Is Plan9 in my future? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I'd like to play around with Plan9 but it does not look like my hardware is supported yet. I have a Creative Labs Riva TNT card. I've read here that it's not yet on the hardware compatibility list. Is this likely to change in the near future? I have not looked at Plan9 since 1995 so I don't know how fast things change with it. Also, what about applications? I don't need for Plan9 to be useful for me to play with it but some apps besides the bare OS would be nice. Are there websites (besides the official one) where I can learn more about Plan9? Something like 'Plan9 for newbies'. --upas-bztrgdxqqpnunsppvkhaupbpga-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 07:05:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19846 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:05:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA19825 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 07:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10186; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:13:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA09685; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:12:51 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:12:51 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006161112.NAA09685@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: stevemw@mindspring.com Subject: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I was disappointed to find no sources for a Sparc kernel. I had a small stack of IPX and thought that they would make nice servers, at least to boot the network installation without vga problems. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 08:02:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA20689 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA20685 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132ues-0004Am-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:51:34 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:48:57 GMT From: Thijs Rosmalen Message-ID: <394A10DA.C30C292C@blub.net> Organization: Faculty of Science, University of Amsterdam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: [9fans] Re: Help! Installation Problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Terry Bayne wrote: > When I attempt to boot from the installation floppy I see the following: > PBS... Plan 9 from Bell Labs > using fd0!dos!plan9.ini > Boot Devices: fd0, sdc0, sdd0 > boot from: > > At the prompt I tried specifying the boot drive and file like so: > fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz > > For which I was rewarded with the message: > No such fat partition I copied 9pcflop.gz to my DOS-partition and then typed `sdC0!dos!9pcflop.gz' at the `boot from:' prompt. vgadb, pan9.ini, etc. on the floppy are used though. Kind regards, Thijs. -- "A quarter of a century ago the United Nations Organisation was born bearing the great hopes of mankind. Alas, in an immoral world it too has grown up immoral" -- Alexander Solzhenitsyn From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 09:30:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22307 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:30:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22303 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jm@localhost) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10727 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:38:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:38:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Message-Id: <200006161338.PAA10727@hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 9pfreebsd is missing Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In /sys/src/cmd/unix/README : 9pfreebsd - IL and 9FS for FreeBSD 3.2. Nice! but: term% lc /sys/src/cmd/unix README bootp drawterm sam spin tcs.shar.Z u9fs From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 09:41:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22664 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:41:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from akbar.nevex.com (gate.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22660 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from akbar.nevex.com (IDENT:steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by akbar.nevex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09972 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:41:31 -0400 Message-Id: <200006161341.JAA09972@akbar.nevex.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9pfreebsd is missing In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:38:50 +0200." <200006161338.PAA10727@hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:41:31 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Jean Mehat wrote: > > In /sys/src/cmd/unix/README : > 9pfreebsd - IL and 9FS for FreeBSD 3.2. > > Nice! but: > term% lc /sys/src/cmd/unix > README bootp drawterm sam spin tcs.shar.Z u9fs this was fixed by the June 12 update, available at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 09:43:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22836 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:43:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22831 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161343.JAA22831@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:43:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I was disappointed to find no sources for a Sparc kernel. We don't have any modern Sparcs around here, so the old Sparc kernel was not kept up to date; the only thing we have is five years old. More important, we negotiated with Sun back in 1994 to be able to release those sources under the old license terms. We'd need to renegotiate to release them under the new terms, and that's always a lot more work than it seems it should be. (Releasing OS sources gives away details of the hardware.) Given that the sources are out of date and for obsolete hardware, it doesn't seem worthwhile. If someone can get permission from Sun and promises to update the kernel, I'll let them have the source. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 09:46:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23015 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:46:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23003 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161346.JAA23003@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9pfreebsd is missing From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:46:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Only in the first package and maybe first update. It's there now. Grab the updates from the web site. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 09:52:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23316 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:52:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA23312 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132wFS-0006BU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:33:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:30:17 GMT From: Robert Pluim Message-ID: Organization: is a symptom of a sick mind Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200006151600.MAA20210@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Questions: PPP/PAP and S3 Trio 3D/2X Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com (Russ Cox) writes: > In general we shy away from implementing > cleartext password protocols, but I don't > think you'd find it too hard to add PAP > to the current PPP sources. Hmm, CHAP is actually just as cleartext as PAP, except that the cleartext stage is in a different place in the network. -- The above are my opinions, and my opinions only. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 09:53:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA23415 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:53:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA23398 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161353.JAA23398@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:52:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu But note that these export restrictions only apply to compiled binaries. If you want to, e.g., provide a CVS archive of the Plan 9 source code, all you have to do to comply with the export regulations is notify the appropriate folks (I suggest going through the crypto registration tee at crypto.com so that other people know that you have cryptographic source code for download). If you know how to honor the government requirements on crypto stuff, then feel free to provide the crypto sources to your users. I don't claim to understand the rules; I just know how we met them. You still have to honor our license, and that includes making people agree to it. I won't comment on the whole license restrictions thingy, except to note that dozens of other major corporations have no problem with providing their software via a Mozilla-type license like the Plan 9 license without having to go through some sort of license front end. Requiring a clicked check box next to a link to our license before you let users at the source does not strike me as an onerous burden. It's what happens with just about every piece of software I download nowadays. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 10:02:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23896 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:02:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23892 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132wdH-0006Rf-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:58:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:57:22 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8idb8s$1oq8$2@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <3948a500.11168068@news.arnhem.chello.nl> Subject: [9fans] Re: S3 775/325 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Oscar Gala wrote: > I have a S3 Trio64 videocard with the 86C775 chipset and a S3 Virge > with the 86C325 Chipset, > but I can't get them to work with the Plan9 installation. 86c775/86c785 (Trio64V2) works. I just added such line (marked with +) in /lib/vgadb (and before, in vgadb on boot diskette): 0xC0044="Phoenix S3 TRIO64 Enhanced VGA BIOS. Version 1.2-07" + 0xC004B="86C775/86C785" link=vga Try to find the same place and insert the same line. > At firt I would get ascreen dump of the Bios Rom, and I made an entry > in the vgadb, but then the installation got hung up in vga mode and I Yes, I copied start address and identifying string exactly from video bios dump I got first time. > just saw the cursor blinking, but couldn't do anything. > Does this mean the cards are not compatible with Plan9, > or that I have to make a different entry in vgadb? > And if that is the case, could someone help me with that? Try my suggestion, hope it helps. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 10:10:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24214 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:10:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24210 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161410.KAA24210@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Questions: PPP/PAP and S3 Trio 3D/2X From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:10:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hmm, CHAP is actually just as cleartext as PAP, except that the cleartext stage is in a different place in the network. We try to make sure the passwords used in challenge/response protocols, in particular the main Plan 9 authentication protocol, never go on the network. For instance, netkey checks that you're on a terminal: term% cpu % netkey netkey must not be run on the cpu server % -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 10:27:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24611 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:27:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24606 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10989 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:35:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09740 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:34:55 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:34:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006161434.QAA09740@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan9 boots fine from the FreeBSD boot manager Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Plan 9 boots fine through the FreeBSD manager (better than Lilo, in my opinion, but I am used to it). I just had, on my machine, to use pbslba instead of pbs in the 9fat boot block to circumvent, I suppose, BIOS deficiencies. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 10:40:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24996 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:40:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (mailhost1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24989 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA37639 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:40:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA09802 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:40:03 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <200006161440.PAA09802@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? In-Reply-To: <200006161343.JAA22831@cse.psu.edu> from rob pike at "Jun 16, 2000 09:43:35 am" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:40:02 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU"S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL70 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > I was disappointed to find no sources for a Sparc kernel. > > We don't have any modern Sparcs around here, so the old Sparc > kernel was not kept up to date; the only thing we have is five > years old. More important, we negotiated with Sun back in 1994 > to be able to release those sources under the old license terms. > We'd need to renegotiate to release them under the new terms, > and that's always a lot more work than it seems it should be. > (Releasing OS sources gives away details of the hardware.) > Given that the sources are out of date and for obsolete hardware, > it doesn't seem worthwhile. If someone can get permission from > Sun and promises to update the kernel, I'll let them have the > source. > I too would be disappointed to lose the ability to utilize my old Sparc hardware. I had taken it for granted that that would be there in the new release :-( I take it the source you refer to here just the version I already have with the 1995 release ? Is there anything in there that is not already public knowledge by virtue of the Sparc version of Linux or NetBSD? Or would support need to be re-developed from scratch by someone who had not signed a non-disclosure with Sun before you would be free to distribute? Havn't had a chance to look at the source for the new release yet (still have to get hold of a free PC with the right hardware so I can do the cross compiling), but I was wondering how much the driver level stuff has changed. Is there a lot of work involved in moving support for an architecture/machine from 2nd and incorporating it into the 3rd release system? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 10:47:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25289 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from akbar.nevex.com (gate.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25279 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from akbar.nevex.com (IDENT:steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by akbar.nevex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:47:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200006161447.KAA11083@akbar.nevex.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Utility to extract the plan9.9gz files In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:29:35 GMT." <39445EE0.A8AB2D2C@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_-2992989310" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:47:18 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_-2992989310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fabricio Chalub wrote: > Since there isn't any utility to extract the contents of > the plan9.9gz file *outside* the realm of the operating system > itself, I did the only thing to do: created my own. > > So here it is: it creates the tree structure of the plan9.9gz > file inside the directory you run it. > > You need to gunzip the plan9.9gz file, and call it plan9.9, or > modify the source. ;) Here's Fabricio's script, modified to take any package name on the command line, and do the gunzip on the fly Steve --==_Exmh_-2992989310 Content-Type: text/plain; name="unwrap"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: unwrap Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="unwrap" #!/usr/bin/perl # unwrap gzipped Plan9 wrap(8) format packages # usage: unwrap pkg.9gz # # unpack-plan9.pl, v 11062000 # (c) Fabricio Chalub, chalub@gnu.org = $pkg =3D $ARGV[0]; open F, "zcat $pkg |" or die "cannot open pipe: $!"; while () { /(.*) (.*) (.*) (.*) (.*) (.*)/; $filename =3D $1; $filename =3D substr ($filename, 1); $length =3D $6; read F, $buffer, $length; print "$filename\n"; if ($length =3D=3D 0) { mkdir $filename, 0700; } else { open O, ">$filename"; print O $buffer; close O; } } --==_Exmh_-2992989310-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 10:56:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25652 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:56:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25646 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161456.KAA25646@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Questions: PPP/PAP and S3 Trio 3D/2X From: Eric Grosse X-URL: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ehg/ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:56:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Hmm, CHAP is actually just as cleartext as PAP, except that the > cleartext stage is in a different place in the network. Even challenge/response is theoretically susceptible to dictionary attack by a passive wiretapper. We have implemented encrypted key exchange techniques that we hope to release before long. These help you bootstrap to a strong password, so challenge/response can then be safely used. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:06:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26035 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:06:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from small-gods.mit.edu (SMALL-GODS.MIT.EDU [18.177.0.248]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26029 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ghudson@localhost) by small-gods.mit.edu (8.9.3) id LAA06344; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161505.LAA06344@small-gods.mit.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:15:14 GMT." <39499363.8C5BA7AE@badtux.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:05:56 -0400 From: Greg Hudson Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > rob pike wrote: >> 2. The export restrictions on cryptography are nasty to implement. > But note that these export restrictions only apply to compiled > binaries. In fact, if you read http://cryptome.org/bxa-bernstein.htm, you'll find that the BXA doesn't even think it applies to compiled binaries: Binary code which is compiled from TSU source code and which is itself publicly available and not subject to licensing or royalty fee can also be exported under the provisions of license exception TSU. As a caveat, Cindy Cohn notes in her response (bernstein-bxa2.html on the same server) that this interpretation is "new to us and surprised numerous people familiar with the new export controls," i.e. it's not obvious from reading the new regs, and I'm pretty certain that you enjoy no special legal protections in court from having the BXA tell you that something is okay. Anyway, as Rob Pike pointed out, this is between you and the law, and isn't great fodder for the list. I'm just sending this for the sake of accuracy. While I'm here, Rob wrote: > Requiring a clicked check box next to a link to our license before > you let users at the source does not strike me as an onerous burden. > It's what happens with just about every piece of software I download > nowadays. Again we see culture clash between the proprietary software world and the free software world. Very little free software requires you to agree to its license before you download it; the exceptions tend to be "free" software released by big corporations which have lawyers who are obviously used to writing proprietary EULAs. Most users click on the "accept" button without reading the actual license (I do it all the time, to be honest). While this practice makes the requirement non-onerous, it also puts users in the suboptimal situation of having possibly agreed to legal terms they do not understand. Your average free software advocate despises shrink-wrap and click-through licenses for this reason. Moreover, Lucent's Plan 9 license places very few restrictions on downloaders and users of the software (the primary one being that you can't use it or keep copies of it if you have sued any contributor to the version of Plan 9 you have, for any intellectual property reason). All the other restrictions are on actions restricted by copyright, such as reproducing the work, distributing it, and preparing derivative works. So there's very little point in forcing downloaders to agree to the license; as with the GPL, they will have to agree to the license before they can do anything interesting anyway. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:07:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26167 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:07:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26158 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161507.LAA26158@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:07:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is there anything in there that is not already public knowledge by virtue of the Sparc version of Linux or NetBSD? Or would support need to be re-developed from scratch by someone who had not signed a non-disclosure with Sun before you would be free to distribute? I don't know, but it's not my judgement to make anyway. Sun lawyers have to make it. Is there a lot of work involved in moving support for an architecture/machine from 2nd and incorporating it into the 3rd release system? Speaking for graphics, the subsystem I know best, there's a lot of details but probably nothing prohibitive. I suspect the story is true for the other components too. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:13:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26511 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:13:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bromine.myriadgate.net (openbsd.myriadgate.net [139.142.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26507 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22170 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2000 15:10:44 -0000 Received: from xenon.myriadgate.net (HELO mail.usask.ca) (andrey@192.168.120.7) by bromine.myriadgate.net with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 15:10:44 -0000 Message-ID: <394A4372.F0E0386C@mail.usask.ca> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:10:42 -0600 From: Andrey Mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Help! Installation Problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Terry Bayne wrote: > > At the prompt I tried specifying the boot drive and file like so: > > fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz > > For which I was rewarded with the message: > > No such fat partition > I had the same problem with my installation. After numerous attempts and reboots I found out that one of the floppies boots *only* if the machine is restarted with the reset button and the other floppy boots *only* if the machine is turned off and then back on. I suggest experimenting with the network card settings (irq/io) and have them explicitly set rather than on auto... (Dunno why this would make any difference but it seemed to do on my machine). My configuration: amd k6-2/400 ne2000 card, 1IDE HDD, 1 floppy, ATI Xpert@work (which works very fine, thank you:) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:14:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26563 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.fas.harvard.edu (root@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26534 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dinero.eecs.harvard.edu (dinero.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.234]) by smtp1.fas.harvard.edu with SMTP id LAA09325; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161513.LAA09325@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> Received: from COM ([166.141.94.98]) by dinero; Fri Jun 16 11:13:50 EDT 2000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: re: [9fans] supported vga adaptors From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:13:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MultiMail PRO (c) 1998-2000 3.1 DEMO, Actual Software Corp. X-Sender: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/pchardware.html >I'm trying to put together a box for this version of plan 9, however I can't >find a list anywhere of which graphic adaptors are supported in vgadb on the >web site. I assume it's changed since v2? Is it there and I'm just not >missing it? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:17:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26839 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:17:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26830 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132xnK-0007L4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:12:30 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:08:05 GMT From: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) Message-ID: <200006161440.PAA09802@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006161343.JAA22831@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Digby Tarvin Subject: Re: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > I was disappointed to find no sources for a Sparc kernel. > > We don't have any modern Sparcs around here, so the old Sparc > kernel was not kept up to date; the only thing we have is five > years old. More important, we negotiated with Sun back in 1994 > to be able to release those sources under the old license terms. > We'd need to renegotiate to release them under the new terms, > and that's always a lot more work than it seems it should be. > (Releasing OS sources gives away details of the hardware.) > Given that the sources are out of date and for obsolete hardware, > it doesn't seem worthwhile. If someone can get permission from > Sun and promises to update the kernel, I'll let them have the > source. > I too would be disappointed to lose the ability to utilize my old Sparc hardware. I had taken it for granted that that would be there in the new release :-( I take it the source you refer to here just the version I already have with the 1995 release ? Is there anything in there that is not already public knowledge by virtue of the Sparc version of Linux or NetBSD? Or would support need to be re-developed from scratch by someone who had not signed a non-disclosure with Sun before you would be free to distribute? Havn't had a chance to look at the source for the new release yet (still have to get hold of a free PC with the right hardware so I can do the cross compiling), but I was wondering how much the driver level stuff has changed. Is there a lot of work involved in moving support for an architecture/machine from 2nd and incorporating it into the 3rd release system? Regards, DigbyT -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:31:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27370 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:31:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27365 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:31:26 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006161531.LAA27365@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:31:24 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Help! Installation Problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I had the same problem with my installation. After numerous attempts and >reboots I found out that one of the floppies boots *only* if the machine is >restarted with the reset button and the other floppy boots *only* if the >machine is turned off and then back on. The bootstrap code in the next update might fix this. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:44:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27784 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27779 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10955 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006161543.LAA10955@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 9pcfs.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just made 9pcfs in /sys/src/fs/plan9pc. It is a boot image for file server? How do I make a file server boot floopy using it? Take a 9disk.9fd disk and replace the boot image, will that work? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:47:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28000 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:47:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132y8C-0007Yd-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:34:04 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:30:07 GMT From: alberjo@my-deja.com Message-ID: <8idg0t$leo$1@nnrp2.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] plan9 install disk problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu booting plan9 with recent install disk on gateway 486 produces the following: sing (bunch-of-symbols) elnk 0x300 (bunch-of-symbols) fd0!dos!plan9.gz (bunch-of-symbols) sdC0=(bunch-of-symbols) boot from: pressing just return here causes panic. the text above is not exactly correct, but Im not in front of the box right now. This box is otherwise known to be functional, and the floppy boots another pc that Im using without problems. Iam going to try copying the image to a hd and see if that will work, but wouldn't mind knowing if booting from the floppy will fly. Thanks, -j Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:47:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28015 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:47:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27994 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161547.LAA27994@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:47:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu any refs to a quick guide to building and installing a kernel? cd /sys/src/9/pc mk 'CONF=pc' or pcdisk or ... to build 9pc or 9pcdisk or ... we will fix /sys/src/9/mkfile From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 11:47:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA28064 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:47:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28025 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132y8B-0007YX-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:34:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:29:42 GMT From: Lutz Donnerhacke Message-ID: Organization: IKS GmbH Jena Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <200006161353.JAA23398@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu * rob pike wrote: >If you know how to honor the government requirements on crypto >stuff, then feel free to provide the crypto sources to your users. >I don't claim to understand the rules; I just know how we met them. Deregulation in Europe caused a similar deregulation of export controls in the USA. So please publish the sources. If you run into trouble (very unlikly) tell them, I gave you the permission. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 12:00:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28747 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:00:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28743 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:00:40 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006161600.MAA28743@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:00:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-suprndalxvxeyjxjphfmuslned" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-suprndalxvxeyjxjphfmuslned Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To build a particular pc kernel (say 9pcdisk) cd /sys/src/9/pc mk 'CONF=pcdisk' To install it in /386 mk 'CONF=pcdisk' install --upas-suprndalxvxeyjxjphfmuslned Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([204.178.31.2]) by dinero; Fri Jun 16 05:48:15 EDT 2000 Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Jun 16 05:48:10 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Fri Jun 16 05:48:08 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA16627; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:31:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA16460 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA16436 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132sCz-0003BK-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:14:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:10:47 GMT From: abhay puri Message-ID: <39490C84.89061E29@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006141358.JAA12281@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk urrks. any refs to a quick guide to building and installing a kernel? mk kernels in /sys/src doesn't seem to be set up quite right. presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > You're probably getting done in by the maximum queued calls being > 5 for any service. You can change that to any number by changing > Maxincall in /sys/src/9/ip/ip.h and recompiling the kernel. I should > probably make it a writable parameter. > > If that's not you're problem, I don't know what is. The release has > the max number of tcp channels set at 512 (same file, enum Nchans). --upas-suprndalxvxeyjxjphfmuslned-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 12:05:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28983 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:05:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA28954 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006161605.MAA28954@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 install disk problem Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:05:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu the text above is not exactly correct, but Im not in front of the box right now. Exactly what it prints would be useful. The bunches of symbols have important bits in them (except the line of dots). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 12:12:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA29305 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:12:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA29301 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:12:34 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006161612.MAA29301@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9pcfs.. Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:12:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pgtfhkxlfkwstjchghrswjelly" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pgtfhkxlfkwstjchghrswjelly Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I make a file server boot floopy using it? Take a 9disk.9fd disk and replace the boot image, will that work? We forgot to include pc/bootfloppy (mentioned in update(8)) in the current packages. It will be in the next one, and is below. pc/bootfloppy /dev/fd0disk your.plan9.ini a: cp /sys/src/fs/plan9pc/9pcfs /n/a: unmount /n/a: Russ % cat /rc/bin/pc/bootfloppy #!/bin/rc if(! ~ $#* 2) { echo 'usage: bootfloppy /dev/fd0disk plan9.ini'>[1=2] exit usage } if(! test -f $2) { echo $2 does not exist >[1=2] exit noplan9.ini } mkdir /tmp/bootfloppy.$pid cp $2 /tmp/bootfloppy.$pid/plan9.ini dd -bs 512 -count 1 < /dev/zero >/tmp/bootfloppy.$pid/plan9.nvr disk/format -b /386/pbs -f -d $1 /386/9load /tmp/bootfloppy.$pid/* rm -rf /tmp/bootfloppy.$pid % --upas-pgtfhkxlfkwstjchghrswjelly Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([204.178.31.2]) by dinero; Fri Jun 16 11:59:37 EDT 2000 Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Jun 16 11:59:24 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Fri Jun 16 11:59:11 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27843; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:44:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27784 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA27779 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10955 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006161543.LAA10955@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 9pcfs.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I just made 9pcfs in /sys/src/fs/plan9pc. It is a boot image for file server? How do I make a file server boot floopy using it? Take a 9disk.9fd disk and replace the boot image, will that work? - ishwar --upas-pgtfhkxlfkwstjchghrswjelly-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 13:02:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00824 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA00820 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 132z9w-0000ck-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:39:56 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:39:08 GMT From: Jhann rir Jhannsson Message-ID: <8idklf$umq$1@grp.gm.is> Organization: Gamilun ehf Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 in WMware Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, Does anyone have experience with p9 in wmware? j. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 13:02:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00856 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:02:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00843 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161702.NAA00843@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Similarity From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:02:23 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just noticed that Glenda, the Plan 9 bunny, has a body the same shape as Tor Johnson's head. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 13:48:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA02231 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:48:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02226 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13305n-0001fb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:39:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:21:49 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com>, <39482F0A.EE5DC286@null.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > renee french wrote: > > those are feet. > > It's good to get the authoritative answer! > > Nice bunny -- at first (in tiny icon size) I thought it might be a > Pokemon, maybe a cuddly thing that turns into a fighting monster.. > Of course, it could still be that! Actually, it looks closer to a Mokona... "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 14:38:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA03495 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:38:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA03487 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user ([172.21.104.107]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA15959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000616113854.008d4500@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:38:54 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: Re: [9fans] Similarity In-Reply-To: <200006161702.NAA00843@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Glenda's texture seems like an Angora. Is it? (Those of you that have not seen one, take a look here) http://members.tripod.com/LoveYourBunsAngora/2.html At 01:02 PM 6/16/00 -0400, rob pike wrote: >I just noticed that Glenda, the Plan 9 bunny, has a body >the same shape as Tor Johnson's head. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 14:57:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA04186 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:57:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA04180 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11131 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006161857.OAA11131@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] C-program error.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Just tried translation of an old alef program. The program aborts with run time error. Source and output given below. Any pointers? - ishwar ---- /* First C program, uses channel and procs.. dies horribly.. */ #include #include #include #define STACKSIZE (2*2048) void recvit(void *arg) { char *s; Channel *in = arg; recv(in, s); print("%s\n", s); } void threadmain(int argc, char *argv[]) { char m[32]; Channel *sch; sch = chancreate(sizeof(m), 0); strcpy(m, "hello world!"); print("main: %s\n", m); proccreate(recvit, (void *)sch, STACKSIZE); send(sch, m); print("done\n"); exits(nil); } --- main: hello world! done hello world! panic: D2B called on non-block 510a8 8.out 513: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x0 pc=0x00003fd1 --- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 15:51:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05595 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05591 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:50:59 -0400 (EDT) From: dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006161950.PAA05591@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] C-program error.. Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:50:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In your example, s in recvit() is expected (by recv()) to point to storage for the data sent on the channel (all 32 bytes worth), but you have left it uninitialized. Also, print() has an internal buffer of 4096 bytes; you need to increase the stack size or you'll get mysterious errors caused by stack corruption. Try this version: #include #include #include #define STACKSIZE (8*1024) void recvit(void *arg) { char *s; Channel *in = arg; recv(in, &s); print("%s\n", s); free(s); } void threadmain(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *m; Channel *sch; sch = chancreate(sizeof(char*), 0); m = strdup("hello world!"); print("main: %s\n", m); proccreate(recvit, (void *)sch, STACKSIZE); send(sch, &m); print("done\n"); } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 15:52:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA05758 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:52:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05754 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006161952.PAA05754@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] C-program error.. Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:52:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu A few problems. The main one is that you sent a 32-byte array and tried to read it into what was pointed at by an uninitialized pointer. Compiling with -w would catch this. The second is that you need to use threadprint instead of print to avoid stack problems. Threadprint is like fprint, so you need to give a file descriptor. The below works for me. Russ #include #include #include #define STACKSIZE (2*2048) void recvit(void *arg) { char *s; Channel *in; /* of char* */ in = arg; s = recvp(in); threadprint(1, "%s\n", s); threadexits(0); } void threadmain(int argc, char *argv[]) { Channel *sch; /* of char* */ sch = chancreate(sizeof(char*), 0); proccreate(recvit, (void *)sch, STACKSIZE); sendp(sch, "hello world"); threadprint(1, "done\n"); threadexitsall(nil); } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 16:13:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06481 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:13:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (mailhost2.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.66]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06477 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost2.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA84967 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:13:22 +0100 (BST) Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA10981 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:03:36 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <200006162003.VAA10981@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? In-Reply-To: <200006161507.LAA26158@cse.psu.edu> from rob pike at "Jun 16, 2000 11:07:13 am" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:03:35 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU"S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL70 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Is there anything in there that is not already public knowledge > by virtue of the Sparc version of Linux or NetBSD? Or would support need to > be re-developed from scratch by someone who had not signed a > non-disclosure with Sun before you would be free to distribute? > > I don't know, but it's not my judgement to make anyway. > Sun lawyers have to make it. Fair enough. I suppose if wrestling with legal issues was fun we would all be lawyers instead of programmers :-) Hopefully Sun will be receptive to the idea if approached. They do at least seem to be open source friendly now, and if they have any sense will realise that keeping programming details of their hardware secret will not help the popularity of their machines.... > for an architecture/machine from 2nd and incorporating it into > the 3rd release system? > > Speaking for graphics, the subsystem I know best, there's a lot of > details but probably nothing prohibitive. I suspect the story is true > for the other components too. > I guess if I start with a CPU server, there shouldn't be much that needs to be gotten going initially. Then maybe a SCSI driver to make a file server. The graphics hardware would probably be what I know least about... Hopefully the wider accessibility of this release will result in a much broader range of supported hardware. Regards, DigbyT P.S. You didn't mention - if suitable approval was received from Sun, would there be a more recent code base to start from than the 1995 CD? -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 16:30:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07029 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:30:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07025 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006162030.QAA07025@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? From: "rob pike" Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:30:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu P.S. You didn't mention - if suitable approval was received from Sun, would there be a more recent code base to start from than the 1995 CD? Not significantly more recent. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 16:48:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA07514 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:48:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA07509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1332vV-0004Pq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:41:17 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:36:14 GMT From: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) Message-ID: <200006162003.VAA10981@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006161507.LAA26158@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Digby Tarvin Subject: Re: [9fans] SPARC Port of v3? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Is there anything in there that is not already public knowledge > by virtue of the Sparc version of Linux or NetBSD? Or would support need to > be re-developed from scratch by someone who had not signed a > non-disclosure with Sun before you would be free to distribute? > > I don't know, but it's not my judgement to make anyway. > Sun lawyers have to make it. Fair enough. I suppose if wrestling with legal issues was fun we would all be lawyers instead of programmers :-) Hopefully Sun will be receptive to the idea if approached. They do at least seem to be open source friendly now, and if they have any sense will realise that keeping programming details of their hardware secret will not help the popularity of their machines.... > for an architecture/machine from 2nd and incorporating it into > the 3rd release system? > > Speaking for graphics, the subsystem I know best, there's a lot of > details but probably nothing prohibitive. I suspect the story is true > for the other components too. > I guess if I start with a CPU server, there shouldn't be much that needs to be gotten going initially. Then maybe a SCSI driver to make a file server. The graphics hardware would probably be what I know least about... Hopefully the wider accessibility of this release will result in a much broader range of supported hardware. Regards, DigbyT P.S. You didn't mention - if suitable approval was received from Sun, would there be a more recent code base to start from than the 1995 CD? -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 18:15:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09179 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:15:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09175 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:15:51 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000616214905.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Sat Jun 17 06:49:04 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com>, <39482F0A.EE5DC286@null.net> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, > It's good to get the authoritative answer! The bunny may be a rabit who introduced Alice to Wonderland. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 18:55:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA09940 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:55:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA09936 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01672; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006162255.PAA01672@ohio.river.org> From: Richard Uhtenwoldt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu service provider In-Reply-To: <200006160051.UAA08237@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> References: <200006160051.UAA08237@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I asked: >>can a terminal use the >>public internet to connect to a cpu server and >>a file server? Russ Cox writes: >As long as you can get IL packets >through, you're golden. I admin my own Linux box, and I am capable of learning to admin my own Plan 9 network, but I would rather become a Plan 9 user and perhaps even a Plan 9 app programmer before learning to admin my own Plan 9 network. in fact learning to admin a Plan 9 network is rather low on my list of things to achieve. it took a long time to learn how to admin my own Linux box well and I expect the learning curve for adminning a Plan 9 network is even longer because the install program is less mature than eg Suse's Yast and because Plan 9 does not have package managers like RPM and Debian's Apt or config managers like GNU Autoconf. so, I am willing to pay someone with a well-adminstered Plan 9 network connected to the internet (residential cable internet connection probably does not suffice) $20 or 30/mo for Plan 9 cpu and file and email services. ie, you give me an account and email address on your network and my Plan 9 terminal server at home connects to it over the public internet. the first use I put my account to might be to read the mailing lists I subscribe to. I might be willing to pay a one-time account-creation fee. of course the network I would most like an account on is the one inside Bell Labs but I figure there are rules against that. I realize that in many ways Plan 9 is a less mature environment than Linux is (eg, much fewer apps), and I am willing to put up with the hardships that entails. in particular, (though its underlying security architecture is more sound) because Plan 9 has not been beaten on for ten years by thousands of teenaged boys, it is probably more vulnerable than Unix/Linux to breakins and DoS attacks when connected to the public internet, resulting in outages. that does not sour me as long as uptime is at least, oh, 80%. at first I envision myself using an almost-stateless Plan 9 terminal like they do at Bell Labs, but over the years I would like to see things evolve so that data I wish to keep from prying eyes is stored and code that I run regularly is cached on my desktop (because disk drives are still cheaper and more responsive than public internet bandwidth). most "most-upstream" internet connectivity provider is currently Verio but I would probably be able to switch to whichever one you use so as to avoid annoying latency at the network access points. (I know from my experience telnetting over the public internet that latency is a bigger issue than bandwidth.) also, your server(s) probably needs to be in North America. one of my motives for pursuing this way of working with Plan 9 is my belief in the eventual dominance of "one-click" software installation and upgrading (cf, Sun's recent announcement of the Java Web Start spec and the rise of the "application-service provider") and my desire eventually to see Plan 9-based apps and services available via "one-click". I am in no particular rush to start using Plan 9 --my interest is long term-- but if you think you might be able to be my "Plan 9 service provider" months from now, please pipe up next few days. (in a few days, I go on vacation for a month.) Richard Uhtenwoldt From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 19:06:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA10245 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:06:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA10239 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13354d-0006le-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:58:51 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:35:10 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000616214905.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com> Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, > It's good to get the authoritative answer! The bunny may be a rabit who introduced Alice to Wonderland. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 20:26:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11388 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:26:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA11384 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2000 17:26:04 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <394AC4D3.45CD06D4@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:22:43 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu service provider References: <200006160051.UAA08237@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Dude you ROCK. Now if I can can stand working long enough to get some time off to play.... -James > On a related note, I set up a standalone > cpu/auth/file server last night for > personal use and took notes. > A polished version can now be found > at the end of > plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.html,.ps,.pdf. > > Russ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 20:37:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11655 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:37:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.eot.dbsystems.com (ns.dbsystems.com [208.217.210.25]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11650 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by mail.eot.dbsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA59028 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:36:58 GMT (envelope-from gdb@dbSystems.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:36:58 GMT From: "G. David Butler" Message-Id: <200006170036.AAA59028@mail.eot.dbsystems.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] The Good News Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans! It has been a very interesting time in the Plan 9 world lately. I am very glad that Rob and friends at Bell Labs have been able to accomplish the near impossible by orchestrating the release Plan 9 as Open Source. Bravo! As you can imagine, the recent announcement suprised me. But you wouldn't belive how much more my request for a refund of the license fee I paid surprised the software sales part of Lucent! Thankfully they agreed that there was a "miscommunication" internally and that they will process my refund ASAP. I'm glad I don't have to go into the OS business just to use the tools I want. As an aside, I will not need to attend USENIX next week, so if anybody would like to attend the general session sponsered by db Systems (no strings attached), please e-mail me. (It is too late for me to get a refund for the conference fee.) What now? I plan to integrate all the changes I have made to V2 into V3 and supply them back to the Labs. I believe many of the changes will not be "blessed" (like my change of the semantics of the create(2) system call -- it is still broken as far as I'm concerned), so I expect I will have my own site that supplies my derivative of the system and any compatible changes. I may also start an Internet-based Plan 9 network if there is interest. But beware, since my changes include system call changes and 256 octet name support in 9P, the Original Contributor system will not work with my derivative. My changes also allow optimizations for large directories (indexes and seek(2) support) and atomic 9P transactions via logging on dedicated file servers (not via kfs). These changes make a dedicated file server a database server for most Internet-type applications. I also plan to actively pursue a Java port... Stay tuned! David Butler gdb@dbSystems.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 21:06:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12112 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:06:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2631 invoked by uid 991); 17 Jun 2000 01:06:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000617010606.2629.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The Good News In-Reply-To: Message from "G. David Butler" of "Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:36:58 GMT." <200006170036.AAA59028@mail.eot.dbsystems.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:06:06 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Dave: | What now? I plan to integrate all the changes I have | made to V2 into V3 and supply them back to the Labs. | I believe many of the changes will not be "blessed" Many of them were very interesting; I hope they're at least considered. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 16 21:26:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA12465 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:26:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12461 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006170126.VAA12461@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri Jun 16 21:20:46 EDT 2000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The Good News From: "rob pike" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Dave: | What now? I plan to integrate all the changes I have | made to V2 into V3 and supply them back to the Labs. | I believe many of the changes will not be "blessed" Many of them were very interesting; I hope they're at least considered. What? He gets his money back *and* we adopt his software??? -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 03:36:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16611 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:36:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA16607 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-223-5.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.223.5]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA00951 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28234 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:35:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200006170735.DAA28234@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] LXR Hypertext Browser for Plan9 v3.0 Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:35:50 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Please visit http://offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/9login and follow the instructions about reading the Plan9 license to get started. We hope this utility will encourage exploration of the code in groups at the upcoming USENIX 2000. Notes: 1. The source cross-referenced here is the initial June 7th, 2000 release. 2. The directories are /sys/include and /sys/src. 3. I cleaned out the cryptographic parts using the "/export-purge" script. 4. This system won't handle much of a load; it may go offline at any time. Many thanks to everyone involved in the Plan9 release! Stephen Wynne Research Support Facilities Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 04:12:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17025 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 04:12:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA17013 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 04:12:17 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006170812.EAA17013@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu service provider Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:10:24 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >> ... config managers like GNU Autoconf. it's partly because Plan 9 does not need and never ought to need `Autoconf' that it is so much easier to program, let alone `admin' than current UNIX derivatives/variants/clones. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 04:17:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17192 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 04:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17186 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 04:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133Ddd-0005kR-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:07:33 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:57:20 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006170735.DAA28234@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: [9fans] LXR Hypertext Browser for Plan9 v3.0 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Please visit http://offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu/cgi-bin/9login and follow the instructions about reading the Plan9 license to get started. We hope this utility will encourage exploration of the code in groups at the upcoming USENIX 2000. Notes: 1. The source cross-referenced here is the initial June 7th, 2000 release. 2. The directories are /sys/include and /sys/src. 3. I cleaned out the cryptographic parts using the "/export-purge" script. 4. This system won't handle much of a load; it may go offline at any time. Many thanks to everyone involved in the Plan9 release! Stephen Wynne Research Support Facilities Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 13:27:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21664 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:27:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21660 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133LzP-0000x9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:02:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:48:13 -0500 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com>, <20000616214905.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > Hello, > > > It's good to get the authoritative answer! > The bunny may be a rabit who introduced Alice to Wonderland. In that case, wouldn't s/he need a watch? ^_^ "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 13:36:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA21893 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:36:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21888 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adsl-208-189-178-1.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO yahoo.com) (208.189.178.1) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2000 10:35:53 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <394BB632.213208CB@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:32:34 -0500 From: "James G. Stallings II" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Still more newbie blather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, 9fans! Here's some more rambling about what I'm doing with plan 9. Feel free to respond as you see fit. All suggestions welcome. I just got some more old hardware, this time a 100mhz dx4 486. It's quite a bit better than the dx2 66 I was using. Unfortunately I don't have a working system assembled at the moment. Some stuff that came with it: a pertec 120mb "floppy" tape drive; and a 600+mb micropolis scsi II drive. The scsi host adapter is a DTC 3280as. Is there any possibility that this junk is supported? I'm thinking slow storage behind a file server; active storage<-scsi disk<-pertec tape. Not exactly high performance stuff, but it's right here under my hands. I'm starting to get serious enough about this to think in terms of better hardware; what direction should I be taking in terms of fileserver storage? Obviously I'm not about to install a big CD jukebox to backend the fileserver ;^) Thanks for listening to me ruminate- James __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 14:12:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22506 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:12:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22493 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from badtux.org ([24.14.22.157]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000617181204.LAQ12685.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@badtux.org> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:12:04 -0700 Message-ID: <394BC1B1.E6B5EDA5@badtux.org> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:21:37 -0700 From: Eric Lee Green Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution References: <200006161353.JAA23398@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rob pike wrote: > But note that these export restrictions only apply to compiled binaries. > If you want to, e.g., provide a CVS archive of the Plan 9 source code, > all you have to do to comply with the export regulations is notify the > appropriate folks > > If you know how to honor the government requirements on crypto > stuff, then feel free to provide the crypto sources to your users. Yes, I did have to research the issue because I do have some crypto applications that are released as open source. In addition, I am the author of the cryptographic components of an upcoming commercial product, and had to research the issue because I had to know what was allowed and not allowed for me to write. On January 15, 2000, cryptographic source code was almost entirely deregulated with no "click wrap" license required, and export restrictions of cryptographic mass-market commercial software were greatly relaxed. Today you can export cryptographic "mass market" binaries via the Internet and via CD-ROM or other media to all but 10 nations, as long as they go through a "click-wrap" license that requires them to agree that a) they're not a government user, b) they are not located in the T-10 terrorist states, and c) they're not going to redistribute it to the T-10 terrorist states. It is sad that Lucent's lawyers have not caught up with the changes in cryptographic export regulations. I know that those changes certainly made my life as a cryptographic components engineer a whole lot easier, because I no longer have to support 56-bit DES encryption for export in addition to "real" encryption. Note that, under these terms (i.e., not government user, not T-10, no export to T-10), it is legal for me to export this software to Germany with nothing but the above click-wrap license. Both Netscape and Microsoft are now exporting their browser software with full 128-bit encryption with the above click-wrap license. That German user may place the cryptographic components online (under German law) with nothing but a README file explaining the T10 licensing restrictions. > I won't comment on the whole license restrictions thingy, except to note > that dozens of other major corporations have no problem with providing > their software via a Mozilla-type license like the Plan 9 license > without having to go through some sort of license front end. > > Requiring a clicked check box next to a link to our license before you > let users at the source does not strike me as an onerous burden. It does not happen with Open Source software. I know that you download a lot of shareware and free (as in beer, not as in freedom) software for Windows that has such requirements. But it is not the norm in the Open Source community. The deal is that you are attempting to gain the support of the Open Source community for the future maintenance and upgrading of Plan 9, rather than a future of having Plan 9 be this interesting but largly unused and unmaintained thing internal to Bell Labs. The Open Source community is accustomed to connecting to an FTP server with a user ID of 'anonymous' and a password of 'something' and being able to access the software, or be able to connect to a CVS depository with a user ID of 'anonymous' and be able to do a 'cvs update' to access the latest version of the source code. You cannot gain their support with a 'click-wrap' license. The Open Source/Free Software community is just that -- a community, with its own internal mores and standards of behavior. It is completely different from the academic research environment that spawned Unix and Plan 9. For a commercial vendor to peacefully co-exist here takes research and careful positioning to hit "hot buttons". Both as CTO of Linux Hardware Solutions (RIP) and as senior Unix engineer at Enhanced Software Technologies I've had to carefully examine the Open Source marketplace and engineer strategic moves to gain publicity and support in that marketplace for our products. Various strategic moves have include: releasing some utilities as Open Source software, "adopting" various tape drive related Open Source utilities for further enhancement and maintenance by our engineers, contributing to Linux tape driver development, announcements to FreshMeat about new versions of our contributed software, etc. I have installed Plan 9 on a partition of my computer in order to see whether there is the possibility of it attaining a critical mass of programmers and users to make it a viable packaged product similar to the way that the various Linux distributions are viable products. After all, every potential entrepeneur is looking for the next great thing to get in on the groundfloor. Examining how products such as Linux and Apache grew to be the poster children of the Open Source movement despite being inferior to many of their competitors makes it clear that, under Lucent control, Plan 9 can never attain such a status. Widespread access to the software via mirrors world-wide, swift release schedules of interim work products and "point" revisions, the ability of any goober on the planet to submit patches and modifications and, if they're good, have them appear in a released product within months at most... all of these were critical to Linux and Apache gaining that critical mass. Even minor impediments could have short-circuited the process, because the Open Source community flows to the easiest-to-deal-with entities, rather than to the technically superior ones. For example, for many years the BSD operating systems were technically superior to Linux. Yet Linux won the Open Source Unix war. Why? Because the maintainers of the various BSD operating systems were viewed as elitists who were not as interested in accepting modifications from "outsiders". This was a very minor impediment indeed, but was enough to drive many potential contributors to Linux. It becomes apparent, then, that the first step in Plan 9 for World Domination is for somebody to set up a source code repository, a procedure for submitting additions or modifications to the repository, and binary "interim releases" on an early-and-often basis in addition to the normal "point" releases (the click-wrap could remain for the binaries, of course). I cannot believe that Bell Labs can long justify to Lucent the manpower or resources necessary to do this, given that under the rosiest of projections I don't see Plan 9 being a commercially viable product for several years and it would need this kind of treatment for all of those years in order to obtain a critical mass of contributors and users. It is important to remember that it took 4 years for Linux to move from being Linus's play toy to being a product with capabilities and qualities suitable for commercial use, and another 4 years after that for Linux to obtain a significant share of the server market. It is projected that it will be another 2 years before Linux companies start turning significant profits. I doubt that Lucent, or any major company, can wait 10 years for a return on investment. Only enthusiasts and Open Source fans can afford that kind of time investment. But because these people are donating their time and efforts for free, they have no incentive to jump through even modest hurdles. I could be wrong. But I doubt that I'm far wrong, if so. I've spent too much time examining the Open Source marketplace, the economics of Open Source, the sociology of Open Source, etc. to be too wrong. I still remember reading Richard Stallman's "GNU Manifesto" in Dr. Dobb's Journal (fresh off the news stand) and saying to myself "it'll never happen." And it didn't. But it did, because RMS never could have imagined the modern Open Source movement and its various methodologies. RMS came from an academic environment similar to Bell Labs, where individual programs were crafted by individuals. The chaotic, often seemingly-unproductive way that current Open Source efforts work, where individual programs may be started by individuals but may have a dozen people submit patches to fix any particular problem or feature request, may seem wasteful of resources but has proven to be the best way to ensure that the highest-quality patch makes it into the product. Call it software darwinism. The only way to have this is the feedback loop that I mentioned earlier, "release early and often", easy access to the source code depository, etc., all of which are what I doubt Lucent and Bell Labs are going to long dedicate resources to doing. Because, unfortunately, while this software darwinism works, it is a slow process -- remember the 10 year span between Linux being started, and Linux being profitable? Thus it is critical that Plan 9 be offloaded to people willing to put this kind of effort into it (i.e., enthusiasts and Open Source fans) as soon as possible if it is to start this process. -- Eric Lee Green There is No Conspiracy eric@badtux.org http://www.badtux.org From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 14:31:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23345 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:31:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.san.rr.com (smtp2.san.rr.com [24.25.195.39]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23341 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena ([204.210.5.129]) by smtp2.san.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id com for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 11:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01bfd8ee$bf9df740$8105d2cc@san.rr.com> From: "Eric Dorman" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3948a500.11168068@news.arnhem.chello.nl> <8idb8s$1oq8$2@pandora.alkar.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: S3 775/325 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:30:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wladimir Mutel" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 6:57 AM Subject: [9fans] Re: S3 775/325 > Oscar Gala wrote: > > I have a S3 Trio64 videocard with the 86C775 chipset and a S3 Virge > > with the 86C325 Chipset, > > but I can't get them to work with the Plan9 installation. > 86c775/86c785 (Trio64V2) works. I just added such line (marked with > +) in /lib/vgadb (and before, in vgadb on boot diskette): [xx]hi, Gotta be careful here, because an 86C775 isin't quite a Trio64 but has some more regs that might have to be filled in. An example is the C775 on the HP Vectra VL5/166. On that box regs 0x90 and 0x91 didn't get filled in correctly, resulting in the left half of the display repeated twice. I did the following: init: vga->crt[0x90] = 0x0; vga->crt[0x91] = 0x7F; load: vgaxo( Crtx, 0x90, vga->crt[0x90] ); vgaxo( Crtx, 0x91, vga->crt[0x91] ); looking over the docs today leads me to think that 0x90 is sufficient. The BIOS string is also different (ah, love HP sometimes). vgadb: 0xC004E="86C775" I have a true-blue Trio64 card to compare against to make sure I get the correct identification so real regs get filled in, then I'll generate a patch. --eld From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 14:47:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23647 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23642 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006171847.OAA23642@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Update From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:46:49 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We've just placed a new package and update on http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9 This is the last one for a while, because we're heading off to Usenix and won't be around to tend. Also it's time to start shifting back into our regularly scheduled programming. I urge you to pick up this package, labeled June 17, or update your old package. The update package on the site will update your existing installation regardless of how many prior updates you have installed. This update includes a large improvement to the wrap software that will make it easier to track and maintain updates in the future. Russ will post a separate explanation of that. We're well over 2000 successful downloads and still counting. Thanks for all your help, encouragement, enthusiasm, and bug-finding. See you in San Diego. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 14:48:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23781 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:48:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23776 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006171848.OAA23776@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution From: "rob pike" Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:48:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Today you can export cryptographic "mass market" binaries via the Internet and via CD-ROM or other media to all but 10 nations, as long as they go through a "click-wrap" license ... It is sad that Lucent's lawyers have not caught up with the changes in cryptographic export regulations. Not that I'm one to speak up for lawyers, but I believe the Lucent lawyers are up to date and the evidence is that the structure on the download site is exactly what you describe. "under Lucent control" I'm confused by your posting. Plan 9 is available to all and sundry to enjoy, change, and play with. The Plan 9 Open Source license says so. As for going to outside repositories to manage stuff, that's ultimately what will happen. But It's only been out for 10 days, and we've been issuing updates to try to make sure that everyone's starting point is the best we have to offer. You're right, we don't have the manpower to maintain this thing for the world. Lucent already waited 10 years for return on investment in Plan 9. It got it in a number of ways, but in the form of 'operating system for research', the best likelihood for more return is to let it go Open Source, which is what we did. I must admit I find the fissiparous nature of the Open Source/FSF community a little dispiriting. We're just trying to make stuff available. Please accept it in the spirit in which it's offered. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 14:56:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24029 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:56:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aristotle.net (aristotle.net [204.233.139.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24024 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiger.home.net (IDENT:sharris@pm14ppp80.aristotle.net [207.150.44.80]) by aristotle.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id NAA22567 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:56:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Harris To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] input methods, how? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:42:49 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00061713002600.01532@tiger.home.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Congrats on Plan9 and its open source release! I've done an asian-language input method which I'd like to port to plan9. I need to eat keystrokes until I've got enough to form a character (or an error), then deliver the composite character to the focused application. I'd like to not have to compile this stuff into the applications themselves, of course. Q: Is there some way I can use namespaces or something to just filter what is read from /dev/console (not replace that service altogether, hopefully). So I want to stack a "stream filter" on top of /dev/console (just for reading), I think. Is there any such thing? Thoughts? Better way? - Steve Harris From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 15:13:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24404 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:13:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24398 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006171913.PAA24398@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] new plan 9 update wrapping Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:13:21 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu As Rob said, there is a new Plan 9 package today (plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html). This message is a summary of the different types of archives that wrap(8) creates, and a note on what you need to do to install the new update. The short version is that we introduced a new concept into the wrap tools, and so in order to install the new update you will need to download new wrap binaries first and write them into /386/bin/wrap. These are also on that web page. The rest of this message explains the wrap process in a bit of detail, and can be skipped when you start to get bored. Every time a significant amount of change or a signficant change has happened in the system, we will put out a new package. A package is the full tree, currently about 50MB compressed, 130MB uncompressed. Between packages, if minor changes happen that don't warrant a new full package, we may put out partial updates; the updates we have published to this point were partial updates. These are always relative to a base package, and contain only files changed since that package. Updates to updates don't happen -- updates are always relative to the last full package, for a number of reasons described in wrap(8). Each time we publish a full package, we will also publish an ``update package''. This is a hybrid of the two -- it contains only changed files, but once installed acts as though you had installed the full package. Thus we can chain update packages without you needing to download the whole system every time a full package comes out. The web page currently contains today's full package and an update package relative to the original package from June 7. Even if you have downloaded a newer package or you applied some of the updates, this update package will work for you. The original wrap tools from June 7 don't parse update packages, which is why you have to get the new wrap before trying to update your system. In case your head is spinning, an example. The current package history looks something like * June 7 - first full package - June 7 -> June 11 update * June 11 - second full package - June 7 -> June 12 update - June 11 -> June 12 update * June 12 - third full package + June 7 -> June 17 update package * June 17 - fourth full package Since updates are relative to a base package, if you had installed a June 7 package and then a June 7 -> June 11 update, you still had to install the June 7 -> June 12 update when the next package came out, because updates don't change the date on the base package. This new ``update package'', however, does exactly that. It contains all the changes to the entire tree. Wrap/inst makes those changes and then stamps your installation as being equivalent to having the June 17 full package. Thus from now on we will only publish an update package relative to the previous package. If you are multiple packages out of date, you will have to install those updates in order to chain your way to the current one. As Rob mentioned, we expect that the update frequency will calm down quite a bit now. A final comment. If you change a file after installing a package, and a new update comes along that has a newer version of that file, wrap/inst will print a warning but not update it. The new update contains extra examples in /mail/lib/smtpd.conf and /sys/lib/lp/devices, for example; if you've customized these, you'll get a (harmless) warning that a newer version has been tossed aside in favor of your own. You can run the wdiff command that inst prints out to see what the differences between the new version and yours are. Enjoy. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 15:20:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA24578 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:20:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA24574 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:20:31 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006171920.PAA24574@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] input methods, how? Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:20:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I need to eat keystrokes until I've got enough to form a character (or an error), then deliver the composite character to the focused application. Q: Is there some way I can use namespaces or something to just filter what is read from /dev/console (not replace that service altogether, hopefully). So I want to stack a "stream filter" on top of /dev/console (just for reading), I think. Is there any such thing? Sure. If you require that rio be run on top of it, then you can make it very simple; in particular you wouldn't need to worry about writes to /dev/cons or about flush messages. Just take characters as they come in from the real /dev/cons repackage them, and use them to satisfy read requests. Two procs working side-by-side would work quite well. Have a look at /sys/src/cmd/authfs.c, which is probably close to what you would need (ignore all the weird authentication code at the top). Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 15:54:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25083 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:54:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25078 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0F.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.165]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16898 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:54:18 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06812 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:54:16 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:54:16 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Message-ID: <20000617125415.A6749@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006161353.JAA23398@cse.psu.edu> <394BC1B1.E6B5EDA5@badtux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <394BC1B1.E6B5EDA5@badtux.org>; from eric@badtux.org on Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 11:21:37AM -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sat, Jun 17, 2000 at 11:21:37AM -0700, Eric Lee Green wrote: > > Note that, under these terms (i.e., not government user, not T-10, no > export to T-10), it is legal for me to export this software to Germany > with nothing but the above click-wrap license. Both Netscape and > Microsoft are now exporting their browser software with full 128-bit > encryption with the above click-wrap license. That German user may place > the cryptographic components online (under German law) with nothing but > a README file explaining the T10 licensing restrictions. > Do keep in mind that Lucent must comply with US law, regardless of where they are doing business. While Lucent's licensees are not bound by US law, Lucent does a lot of export business--Lucent needs to keep on the good side of the US export regulators. I think Lucent's lawyers are just being cautious. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 19:43:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA27121 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:43:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (mailhost1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA27113 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (cthulhu.dircon.co.uk [194.112.45.202]) by mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA34920 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:43:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from digbyt@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17361 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:43:26 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-Id: <200006172343.AAA17361@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Subject: [9fans] spammers using 9fans? In-Reply-To: <20000617125415.A6749@cyber-dyne.com> from Randolph Fritz at "Jun 17, 2000 12:54:16 pm" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:43:25 +0100 (GMT/BST) From: Digby Tarvin Reply-To: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) X-Face: &(//%&/WHJk7>_lW'@YYeED-qsdBV8&h3_Hpn/0.9_=}vTk}5u/2l=Mx&rX!\.i9X{(S@nk[we'a|IX#|?jmh`(j}a+\C5/> %DpYTPd<7jF2V b[Z.TjttL[FMm_$Z$^#qd62A:T.qw7}0S\o.Or_|I 2t~t0D=eCU"S?ls%(Ro X-Pgp-Key-Fingerprint: 61 E7 39 FE 4A F4 CA F3 F5 5E BB 45 26 EC 36 3C X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL70 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Anyone else get some spam with subject "Welcome New Member!" recently? I got two copies (relayed through different hosts), one with the mail headers below which seems to reveal the source of the name harvesting as this list ... I am guessing it is a result of mailing list being gatewayed to the news group, but if anyone who hasn't posted messages has received it, it would indicate the mailing list itself was compromised. From postmaster Sat Jun 17 23:48:47 2000 Received: (from root@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17031 for digbyt (9fans@cse.psu.edu); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:48:46 +0100 (GMT/BST) ---------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ X-Envelope-To: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk with ESMTP id XAA00224 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:11:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (amukhopa@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13158; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:10:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from amukhopa@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28506; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:08:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:08:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200006172208.RAA28506@harper.uchicago.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: amukhopa set sender to user using -f From: ptsconnection@netscape.net Subject: Welcome New Member! ..... -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 17 20:17:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27532 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:17:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA27528 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133Sj3-0005P6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:14:09 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:05:12 GMT From: digbyt@acm.org (Digby Tarvin) Message-ID: <200006172343.AAA17361@cthulhu.dircon.co.uk> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20000617125415.A6749@cyber-dyne.com> Reply-To: Digby Tarvin Subject: [9fans] spammers using 9fans? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Anyone else get some spam with subject "Welcome New Member!" recently? I got two copies (relayed through different hosts), one with the mail headers below which seems to reveal the source of the name harvesting as this list ... I am guessing it is a result of mailing list being gatewayed to the news group, but if anyone who hasn't posted messages has received it, it would indicate the mailing list itself was compromised. From postmaster Sat Jun 17 23:48:47 2000 Received: (from root@localhost) by cthulhu.dircon.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA17031 for digbyt (9fans@cse.psu.edu); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:48:46 +0100 (GMT/BST) ---------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ X-Envelope-To: Received: from midway.uchicago.edu (midway.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.12]) by popmail.dircon.co.uk with ESMTP id XAA00224 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:11:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from harper.uchicago.edu (amukhopa@harper.uchicago.edu [128.135.12.7]) by midway.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13158; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:10:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from amukhopa@localhost) by harper.uchicago.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28506; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:08:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:08:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200006172208.RAA28506@harper.uchicago.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: harper.uchicago.edu: amukhopa set sender to user using -f From: ptsconnection@netscape.net Subject: Welcome New Member! ..... -- Digby R. S. Tarvin digbyt@acm.org http://www.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 06:32:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA02862 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 06:32:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA02857 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 06:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133cDX-0003XX-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:22:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:06:30 -0400 From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D13CF@mail.sauder.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: [9fans] time stamps Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I said: >>The kernel says: >>ether8003: warning - 0xD0000 unavailable#IO: .... And jmk replied: >despite the warning does the card work? Yes. I have confirmed just now. Thanks. By the way, time stamps are something curious. term% cd /sys/log term% ls -l a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 auth a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 cs a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 174 Jun 14 06:44 dns a-rw-rw-rw- M 3 sys sys 0 Jun 8 00:23 ftp ... term% date; date -u Tue Jun 13 21:59:52 JST 2000 Tue Jun 13 12:59:52 GMT 2000 term% cat dns pc Jun 14 06:44:55 starting dns on 192.168.1.2 pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /net/ndb pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/local pc Jun 14 06:44:55 rereading /lib/ndb/common term% cat /adm/timezone/local JST 32400 JST 32400 term% where `pc' is a sysname of my home computer. # Time stamps are just 9 hours faster than local time in Japan! Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 06:45:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03099 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 06:45:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03093 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 06:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133c5o-0002sZ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:14:16 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:48:13 -0400 From: Daniel Seagraves Message-ID: <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D152C@mail.sauder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com>, <20000616214905.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > Hello, > > > It's good to get the authoritative answer! > The bunny may be a rabit who introduced Alice to Wonderland. In that case, wouldn't s/he need a watch? ^_^ "Confuse, annoy, and DEE-STROY!" -- Jet Wolf | "Nothing Happens." -- ADVENT "You'd be surprised what you can live through..." -- Anonymous "...A man can pass his family and his name down through his sons, but it's his honour that gets passed through his daughters. He can see the best and worst of life in his girls. A daughter is something far too precious, and he'll do anything to protect her." -- Reichsfuehrer Siegfried Koenig, _Matrose_Mond_, David Oliver From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 08:58:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA04081 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:58:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA04077 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:58:22 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000618123131.548.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Sun Jun 18 21:31:30 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com>, <20000616214905.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D152C@mail.sauder.com> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. >> > It's good to get the authoritative answer! >> The bunny may be a rabit who introduced Alice to Wonderland. > >In that case, wouldn't s/he need a watch? ^_^ that must be the first frame of motion jpeg. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 09:47:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA04561 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04555 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133eyd-0002Oh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 14:19:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:18:04 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000618123131.548.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <3.0.1.32.20000614205945.006ea8ec@world.std.com> Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] the Plan 9 "bunny" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. >> > It's good to get the authoritative answer! >> The bunny may be a rabit who introduced Alice to Wonderland. > >In that case, wouldn't s/he need a watch? ^_^ that must be the first frame of motion jpeg. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 13:55:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA06683 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:55:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA06679 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9095 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 02:54:48 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 02:54:48 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 133jHQ-00081K-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:54:44 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Success on ThinkPad 600 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 19 Jun 2000 02:54:44 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 7 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.6 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I report a successful installation on IBM ThinkPad 600(2645-51J). There was no error, no warning. By the way, I'm a Dvorak user and therefore it is difficult to study Plan 9 with ordinary qwerty layout. How can I remap the layout to Drovak? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 16:10:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08178 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:10:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08173 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006182010.QAA08173@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 27707 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2000 20:10:02 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 18 Jun 2000 20:10:02 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: Hiroki Tamakoshi Cc: "Plan 9 Mailing List" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Dvorak MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-unknown" Content-ID: <27700.961359002.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:10:02 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id QAA08174 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > By the way, I'm a Dvorak user and therefore it is difficult to study > Plan 9 with ordinary qwerty layout. How can I remap the layout to Drovak? I haven't checked out the new system, but unless they added some of forsythe's hacks you may have to do some work to get a qwerty->dvorak mapping to work. I'm curious why one can't just buy a keyboard mapped to dvorak already? ------- Forwarded Messages Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:55:43 -0400 From: cort@cs.nmt.edu (Cort) To: 9fans Subject: dvorak keyboard layout Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a normal one? I couldn't find anything in the man pages of documentation I have. ------- Message 2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:57:49 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Subject: re: dvorak keyboard layout Nope, hack kbd.c. ------- Message 3 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:15:06 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: keyboard layout >>Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a >>normal one? i've got small changes to kbd.c and a rudimentary #κ device that exports a kbmap file. you can echo things to it to change some of the maps. i haven't yet defined a sensible interface between it and kbd.c; currently it is PC only, but that should change. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 16:47:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08677 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08673 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133loB-0005Ac-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:36:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:36:04 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006182010.QAA08173@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-unknown" Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: [9fans] Dvorak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id QAA08674 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > By the way, I'm a Dvorak user and therefore it is difficult to study > Plan 9 with ordinary qwerty layout. How can I remap the layout to Drovak? I haven't checked out the new system, but unless they added some of forsythe's hacks you may have to do some work to get a qwerty->dvorak mapping to work. I'm curious why one can't just buy a keyboard mapped to dvorak already? ------- Forwarded Messages Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:55:43 -0400 From: cort@cs.nmt.edu (Cort) To: 9fans Subject: dvorak keyboard layout Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a normal one? I couldn't find anything in the man pages of documentation I have. ------- Message 2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:57:49 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Subject: re: dvorak keyboard layout Nope, hack kbd.c. ------- Message 3 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:15:06 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: keyboard layout >>Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a >>normal one? i've got small changes to kbd.c and a rudimentary #κ device that exports a kbmap file. you can echo things to it to change some of the maps. i haven't yet defined a sensible interface between it and kbd.c; currently it is PC only, but that should change. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 18 17:07:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA09013 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:07:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA09008 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24360 invoked from network); 19 Jun 2000 06:07:32 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Jun 2000 06:07:32 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 133mI0-0008S0-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:07:32 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Dvorak MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 19 Jun 2000 06:07:32 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.6 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > By the way, I'm a Dvorak user and therefore it is difficult to study > > Plan 9 with ordinary qwerty layout. How can I remap the layout to Drovak? > > I haven't checked out the new system, but unless they added some of > forsythe's hacks you may have to do some work to get a qwerty->dvorak > mapping to work. I'm curious why one can't just buy a keyboard mapped > to dvorak already?> (snip) Thanks for information. I have a keyboard mapped to Dvorak, but ThinkPad 600 has no keyboard connector. Anyway, I'll try to dirty hack to /sys/src/9/pc/kbd.c. I'll appear in this news group when I can't understand the way to reconstruct the kernel. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 02:41:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA14772 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:41:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA14768 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:41:37 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006190641.CAA14768@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Roaming Plan9 terminal (laptop) network configuration Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:41:14 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just threw the attached little script together to make network configuration easy for any number of roaming ethernet (non-dhcp and dhcp) configurations. 1) edit /rc/bin/termrc, comment out the 'ip/ipconfig' line, and replace it with an invocation of '/rc/bin/netconfig'. 2) netconfig will prompt you to enter a system name, If you just hit return, it will default to DHCP. the system name you enter must exist in your ndb database (/lib/ndb/local, probably) looking something like this: ipnet=home-net ip=192.168.100.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 dnsdomain=cs.bell-labs.com dnsdomain=research.bell-labs.com dns=135.1.1.150 ipgw=192.168.100.105 dns=135.1.1.150 # # ipgw and ipmask set here so /rc/bin/netconfig can # find them. (I don't currently know a better way # to get from the sysname to the network record above) # ip=192.168.100.103 sys=think ether=0060973ff2ae ipgw=192.168.100.105 ipmask=255.255.255.0 dom=think.lackawanna.net Note that you don't need the separate 'home-net' entry, you could have put the dnsdomain and dns server entries in the 'sys=think' entry. --------------- /rc/bin/netconfig ------------------ #!/bin/rc fn run { echo $* eval $* } fn try { ip=`{ndb/query sys $1 ip} if(~ $#ip 0) { echo no ip address for $1 echo fail } ipgw=`{ndb/query sys $1 ipgw} if(~ $#ipgw 0) { echo warning: no ip gateway for $1 >[1=2] gw='' } if not gw='-g'$ipgw ipmask=`{ndb/query sys $1 ipmask} if(~ $#ipmask 0) { echo no ip mask for $1 >[1=2] echo fail } run ip/ipconfig $gw ether /net/ether0 add $ip $ipmask >[1=2] echo ok } while() { echo -n 'system name [dhcp]: ' x=`{read} if(~ $#x 0) { echo ip/ipconfig -dD exit } ok=`{try $x} if(~ $ok ok) exit } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 02:57:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15043 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:57:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA15038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:57:23 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006190657.CAA15038@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] http://www.csh-east.org/~tad/plan9 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:55:23 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The above URL contains links to a bunch of small stuff I've thrown together for my plan9 environment. Currently it contains: 1) netconfig rc script 2) uptime implementation in C (and a link to Russ Cox's implementation in rc). 3) port of mpg123 for playing MP3 files on Plan9 That's it for now, but it will be growing. -Tad From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 03:20:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA15448 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:20:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA15444 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:20:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006190720.DAA15444@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] input methods, how? Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:20:26 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is about the asian-language input question-- Q: Is there some way I can use namespaces or something to just filter what is read from /dev/console (not replace that service altogether, hopefully). So I want to stack a "stream filter" on top of /dev/console (just for reading), I think. Is there any such thing? Russ's answer began Sure. If you require that rio be run on top of it, then you can make it very simple; in particular you wouldn't need to worry about writes to /dev/cons or about flush messages. Just take characters as they come in from the real /dev/cons repackage them, and use them to satisfy read requests. It is pretty easy to write a 9P server suitable for binding over /dev/cons that translates things coming from the keyboard, if you're willing to start it, bind it to /dev/cons, and redirect IO in a new window. This is definitely the way to do experiments with the algorithm. Doing it in such a way that it doesn't lead to implementation artifacts is harder. cons will certainly have to be in raw mode, and will have to think about signals (notes), both to generate them and respond to them appropriately, and the raw mode means it will need to do the line-editing and echoing if it is running a particular window. One possible approach to this is to do it as Russ says, a filter that runs underneath the window system itself, to take advantage of the code that is already in rio. A disadvantage is that the program then has no notion of the windows--e.g. if you have a partial sequence composing a character and switch windows, or want to do different languages in different windows, things will get confused. The program will of necessity have a global, not per-window state. I suppose one of the keyboard characters could throw up a menu to show and communicate changes in the global state. In the earlier window system, 8½, I added a new /dev/kbd device (private to each window, much as /dev/cons is) such that after a program opened kbd in a window, 8½ sent its own input characters for that keyboard-focus window to its own internal device, whence they could then be read by that instance of /dev/kbd. Writes (by the program) on its /dev/kbd were then re-inserted by the device back into 8½'s input stream for the window. This worked fairly reliably, but it wasn't redone for rio. For simple translations like "ascii" keyboard to dvorak as discussed more recently, a kernel mapping might be the line of least resistance. For much more complicated things, like Asian-language handling requiring substantial dictionaries, a user-mode solution seems much better. Maybe I'm having a failure of vision, but making this all work right seems not entirely trivial. Dennis From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 04:50:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16501 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:50:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16481 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133x7a-00031u-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:41:30 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:13 GMT From: Maura Dailey Message-ID: <8if8oj$9ij$1@news.chatlink.com> Organization: Budget Internet Subject: [9fans] Booting success with a dual floppy drive Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I had been having some difficulty with booting the Plan9 floppy, but all is well now. I have a dual floppy drive, and I had been noticing that once the initial line or so of the boot disk dialog came up, the floppy seek would switch to the second, 5.25, drive. It would invariably fail and demand to know where it's files were. Unfortunately, my solution required that I disable the second drive in the bios. Not a huge loss, I admit, and it did work. So to sum it up, if you have two floppy drives, try disabling it in the bios. Perhaps this problem will be solved later, but getting Plan9 to boot at all is a relief at this point. I'm looking forward to getting this up and running. 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Subject: [9fans] plan9 install disk problem Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu booting 486 gateway with recent plan9 install disk produces following: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs using 96,?a,4,128,34,?b,1,128,?c,?b,1,128 ether#0: elnk3: port 0x300 irq 10: 00608CB80176 Unknown boot device: fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz Boot devices: 96,?a,4,128,34,?b,1,128,?c,?b,1,128 244,254,3,128,132 ?b,?d ether0 ?b,?d sdC0 ?b,?d boot from: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- numbers represent dec. value of PC extended character set for the ones I could identify. If an unknown symbol is repeated a letter is appended to the ? to designate that. pressing return at this point will cause a panic with this output: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FLAGS=10286 TRAP=e ECODE=80000000 PC=f000e2c6 AX f000e2c6 BX 00000073 CX 80041c58 DX 00e2c6f0 SI 00000000 DI 8002f01c BP 8002f022 CS 0010 DS 0008 ES 0008 FS 0008 GS 0008 CR0 80000011 CR2 f000e2c6 CR3 0000c000 ^P to reset ----------------------------------------------------------------------- the box is otherwise known to be functional, the same floppy will work fine in another machine I have. thank you, -j Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 04:51:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16536 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:51:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16492 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133x7W-000314-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:41:26 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:40:33 GMT From: Chip Salzenberg Message-ID: <8ieqn3$2aa$1@tytlal.su.valinux.com> Organization: NASA Calendar Research References: <200006170126.VAA12461@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] The Good News Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu According to 9fans@cse.psu.edu: >What? He gets his money back *and* we adopt his software??? This surprises you? -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - "What country is this?" "Europe." "Oh." //MST3K From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 04:51:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16570 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:51:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA16535 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133x7U-00030X-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:41:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:40:13 GMT From: Steve Simon Message-ID: <394AB274.5F7C62E2@savan.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: steve@savan.demon.co.uk Subject: [9fans] Install from hard drive - how? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I am still struggling trying to boot Plan9 on an NEC Versa SX Laptop. I have a 3c809 PCMCIA Ether, vanilla PCMCIA modem, 128Mb ram, 6.4 Gb disk, CDROM OR LS120 disk Initially I had problems booting from the LS120 - The PBS boot-strap loader starts as it is read in by the BIOS, but then the system cannot find a kernel presumably because it cannot access files on an LS120 It then prompts me for "Boot from:" I worked around this by copying the floppy to a FAT partition on the hard disk - it appears that when 9load fails to read plan9.ini from the floppy it searches all other disks and thus finds my copy in the FAT partition. 9Load now finds plan9.ini but prompts me for "Boot From:" as it cannot find the kernel which is still specified as living on the floppy in plan9.ini. I can however type "sdC0!dos!9pcflop.gz" to load the kernel from the hard disk. The kernel then prompts me for "Load root from [local!/#S/sdC0/data]:". If I accept this default (press return) the LS120 disk whirs for a few seconds and then the system hangs, Ctrl-Alt-Del causes "Panic" so its not a complete hang but nothing more seems to happen, no rio, no VGA, nothing. I am _GUESSING_ that the 9pcflop.gz is trying to write the results of its VGA probe VGA info to the LS120 disk and getting confused as it does not understand LS120s. I tried booting directly from the hard disk by unpackng the plan9 distribution, extracting LD.COM and putting this on the FAT partition. My idea was to remove the LS120 drive from the machine making it to abort writing to the floppy rather than to hang waiting for it (Guessing again). LD.COM loads 9load ok, but it does not find plan9.ini. Explicitly specifying the kernel to load seems to work but aborts very quickly with somthing like "start of kernel doesn't look right". I am so frustrated as I bought the VERSA SX because it was one of the Laptops known to work with P9r3, I assume all my problems are to do with the damed LS120 disk (sigh). The questions: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ How do I boot using ld.com - what am I missing? Am I right that the install floppy HAS to access the floppy drive and this is what is cusing my problem? Is there any way to work around this? Thanks for any/all help -Steve From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:18:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17430 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17411 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY8-0004fV-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:56 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:47:14 GMT From: Terry Bayne Message-ID: Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Reply-To: gnome@hiwaay.net Subject: [9fans] Kernel Panic Trap after User prompt. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have plan 9 installed. Used distribution downloaded today 17 June 00. When I boot from a floppy or from the Windows NT boot selection menu I have the same problem: After I get prompted for a user, the kernel does a panic trap, spews a bunch of numbers then stops. Any ideas? Thanks Terry Bayne From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:18:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17425 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17405 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xYA-0004fz-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:58 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:50:21 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <394DBB17.46FD7D81@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3947c14c$1@cs.colorado.edu> Subject: [9fans] Re: supported vga adaptors Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Matthew Crosby wrote: > Is it there and I'm just not missing it? Yes; a link is near the top of the download page: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/pchardware.html From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:18:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17456 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17417 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY7-0004fJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:43:13 GMT From: "Daniel E. Doherty" Message-ID: <394BF62B.EF668C95@sprintmail.com> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Content-Type: multipart/mixed; References: Subject: [9fans] Re: Boot/Install Floppy Woes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------90920EE4294D86E1766032F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Got the same thing. The Plan9 installation instructions say if you get this prompt, take note of the listed boot devices and proceed directly to the Troubleshooting Section. Turn to the Troubleshooting section, and you will notice . . . NOTHING! The subject isn't mentioned. It's rather like being in the middle of a newspaper article that says "Story continued on A-16" without any continuation. Help Bell-Labs. Terry Bayne wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to install Plan 9 for the first time. I downloaded a boot > floppy image from the website, and downloaded the image file. > > When I attempt to boot from the floppy I get the following: > > PBS... Plan 9 from Bell Labs > using fd0!dos!plan9.ini > Boot Devices: fd0, sdc0, sdd0 > > Boot from: > > At this point I tried entering: > > fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz > > Which returns a > > No such fat partition > > Any ideas anyone? > > Thanks > Terry Bayne > > gnome@advicom.net -- % Treason never prospers. % Daniel E. Doherty % % What's the reason? % Roeland Park, KS (USA) % % Why if treason ever prosper, % ddoherty@sprintmail.com % % None dare call it treason. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --------------90920EE4294D86E1766032F9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=iso-8859-1; name="ddoherty.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: Card for Daniel E. Doherty Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ddoherty.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgCm46RG9oZXJ0eTtEYW5pZWwKdGVsO2ZheDo5MTMtNjI0LTIyNTYKdGVs O3dvcms6OTEzLTYyNC0zMzQyCngtbW96aWxsYS1odG1sOkZBTFNFCm9yZzpTcHJpbnQgQ29y cG9yYXRpb247TGVnYWwKYWRyOjs7O1dlc3R3b29kO0tTOzY2MjA1O1VuaXRlZCBTdGF0ZXMK dmVyc2lvbjoyLjEKZW1haWw7aW50ZXJuZXQ6ZGRvaGVydHlAc3ByaW50bWFpbC5jb20KdGl0 bGU6U2VuaW9yIEF0dG9ybmV5CngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzIKZm46RG9oZXJ0eSwgRGFuaWVs CmVuZDp2Y2FyZAo= --------------90920EE4294D86E1766032F9-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:18:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17482 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17423 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY6-0004fD-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:54 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:42:55 GMT From: Milton Message-ID: <394cdd7d.53246421@news.mindspring.com> Organization: . Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <394BB632.213208CB@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Still more newbie blather Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id FAA17424 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:57:04 GMT, in comp.os.plan9 James G. Stallings II wrote: > >Greetings, 9fans! > >Here's some more rambling about what I'm doing with plan 9. Feel free >to respond as you see fit. All suggestions welcome. > >I just got some more old hardware, this time a 100mhz dx4 486. It's >quite a bit better than the dx2 66 I was using. Unfortunately I don't >have a working system assembled at the moment. > >Some stuff that came with it: a pertec 120mb "floppy" tape drive; and a >600+mb micropolis scsi II drive. The scsi host adapter is a DTC 3280as. >Is there any possibility that this junk is supported? I'm thinking slow >storage behind a file server; active storage<-scsi disk<-pertec tape. >Not exactly high performance stuff, but it's right here under my hands. Isthis the SCSI adapter? http://www.datatechnology.com/support/guides/3x80/3x80as2.shtml Does it have a chipset on it named Symbios 53C810 or NCR 53C810? I doubt if the floppy tape device is supported. >I'm starting to get serious enough about this to think in terms of >better hardware; what direction should I be taking in terms of >fileserver storage? Obviously I'm not about to install a big CD jukebox >to backend the fileserver ;^) I would think of a SCSI tape device or CD-RW using the scuzz prog http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/8/scuzz Hope this helps -- «««««««««««««««««««««««»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» Milton B. Hewitt CAUCE Member - http://www.cauce.org Proud supporter of the Microsoft Boycott Campaign http://www.vcnet.com/bms/ «««««««««««««««««««««««»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»» From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:18:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17496 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17429 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY5-0004f1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:33 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8ifg3d$21hs$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] chown - ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, So, I logged in as 'glenda', set up my network interface and tried to connect via 'ssh' to certain unix host. 'ssh' said I need to generate key pair first. I did disk/kfscmd allow aux/ssh_genkey And I got a pair of key files belonging to 'glenda.sys' in common directory /sys/lib/ssh/ So, the question is how about another (real) users that might log on to the same terminal host ? How to make them use the same host keys ? Thanks for your explainations, especially if they are about not-too-unix-way :> -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:18:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17501 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17445 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY5-0004f7-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:49 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8ifhbq$2nmv$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] xterm or so - ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, Please advise me on interoperability with existing unixes. At my work I often use telnet/ssh/ssh2 to log on different hosts from my desktop (now Linux or FreeBSD, sometimes with XFree86) and change config files with 'vi' there. Having tried plan9's 'telnet', I found that our hosts can support 'p9win' terminal only in dumb mode. It seems that reasonable 'termcap' entry for this terminal could not be expressed easily, so I think I need a terminal emulator like 'xterm' under plan9, or perhaps an ability to run x-client 'xterm' remotely and use local plan9 as x-server to have its window here. And besides, how do I set both-way mapping between koi8-r (cyrillic 8-bit character encoding we use under unix) and unicode used on plan9? And in relation, how do I switch keyboard layouts between 'latin' and 'cyrillic'? I would like to be able to do that instantly by hotkey, as I can set up on Linux or FreeBSD - is there any way ? Thanks those who know for any their suggestions :> -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:18:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17541 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17454 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY7-0004fP-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:43:28 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Message-ID: <8igu40$vgs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] MD5 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu md5 is fairly easy to find but i thought i'd post this url: http://www.planete.net/~boyd/md5.bundle written in C for unix. just a matter of: sh md5.bundle make make test and it's a done deal (no install target, but cp isn't that hard). gcc freaks just need to go: CC=gcc make from the checksums i've seen on the the plan9 web site i'd really prefer to see the whole 128 bits. showing just the first n bits is inviting murphy to strike. -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:19:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17555 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:19:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17468 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY8-0004fb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:56 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:48:30 GMT From: abhay puri Message-ID: <394CDB64.9B9328E6@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006161600.MAA28743@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Many thanks to all who answered the 'how to make the kernel' question. It works and should be useful for lots more than this qlen question! I took some time measurements where the client code is basically "connect, send "GET /", close" 03 iterations linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 33 pkts 0.058, 0.056, 0.057 p9/httpd 0.055, 0.055, 0.055 20 iterations linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 220 pkts 0.283, 0.284, 0.278 p9/httpd 5-7 connection refused messages p9/httpd qlen=512 201 pkts 0.513, 0.380, 0.384 50 iterations linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 3.291, 3.294, 3.283 linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 qlen=511 550 pkts 0.636, 0.655, 0.635 p9/httpd qlen=512 0.994, 0.991, 1.007 Notes: - except where explicitly stated, the listen qlen is 10. - all times are in seconds and are calculated using tcpdump running on the client - the three times are three consecutive measurements - the linux and p9 measurements are both taken from the same box which is a p133 pc, 48Mb. Questions: I guess i have a couple of questions: - the fact that p9/httpd started refusing connections at 20 iterations while linux didn't surprised me. (that may be more a linux question?) - the fact that p9/httpd took half again as long (50 iterations) as linux surprised me (this maybe too artificial a test - with no bearing on how a server would actually perform ). Nevertheless, is this sort of difference expected? or is it likely I've stuffed something in my configuration up? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:32:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17617 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:19:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17504 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xYA-0004ft-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:58 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:49:40 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <394DBA13.F6F608E0@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: [9fans] Re: Boot/Install Floppy Woes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Terry Bayne wrote: > Boot from: It's not supposed to do that. I spent days trying various boot floppies; on one system they would work maybe 40% of the time, on another they didn't work at all. I finally told my BIOS to disable the second floppy drive and suddenly I could boot the floppy! Others have reported needed in power-cycle instead of RESET or vice-versa. I spent an evening reading through the boot floppy source code and never did find the real problem. My advice is to download a fresh boot floppy; maybe a new version has been provided that works better. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 05:33:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17597 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:19:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17489 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY9-0004fn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:57 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:49:15 GMT From: John Kodis Message-ID: Organization: Jagunet Access Services (using Airnews.net!) References: <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D13C3@mail.sauder.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Previously, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT) > From: Richard Stallman > To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com > Subject: Plan Nine deep-sixed by non-free license > Reply-to: rms@gnu.org > > I was excited to hear that Plan Nine might become free software, but > it turns out that the license is too restrictive to qualify. We will > have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its > present license. Is this all that RMS said on the matter, or was this an excerpt? I'd have expected some explaination of what he found objectionable. As it stands, this is like submitting a bug report saying "Plan 9 is broken. If at some point you wish to fix it, please contact me." I'm curious about what objections RMS has, given that the intent of the license seems in line with the ideals of the FSF, and that other free software advocates have said that it looks good to them. -- John Kodis. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 09:13:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22045 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:13:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22041 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006191313.JAA22041@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Kernel Panic Trap after User prompt. From: "Russ Cox" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:12:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu After I get prompted for a user, the kernel does a panic trap, spews a bunch of numbers then stops. The message immediately after "panic:" would be quite useful to know. What did you type at the "root is from:" prompt, and what was the default in []s? Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 09:20:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22390 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:20:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22384 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006191320.JAA22384@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:20:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Is this all that RMS said on the matter, or was this an excerpt? It was all he said; he offered no explanation. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 09:24:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22580 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:24:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22575 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006191323.JAA22575@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] xterm or so - ? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:23:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pughzsivjruewoxhlmvtqnpvfz" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pughzsivjruewoxhlmvtqnpvfz Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'latin' and 'cyrillic'? I would like to be able to do that instantly by hotkey, as I can set up on Linux or FreeBSD - is there any way ? Since the keyboard generates UTF, you'll need to introduce some sort of translation routine, either by hacking the kernel or by introducing a user-level file server. At my work I often use telnet/ssh/ssh2 to log on different hosts from my desktop (now Linux or FreeBSD, sometimes with XFree86) and change config files with 'vi' there. Having tried plan9's 'telnet', I found that our hosts can support 'p9win' terminal only in dumb mode. It seems that reasonable 'termcap' entry for this terminal could not be expressed easily, so I think I need a terminal emulator like 'xterm' under plan9, or perhaps an ability to run x-client 'xterm' remotely and use local plan9 as x-server to have its window here. Have a look at using vt before running telnet, or even better, run u9fs or u9fs over ssh. Russ --upas-pughzsivjruewoxhlmvtqnpvfz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Jun 19 05:37:55 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Mon Jun 19 05:37:55 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA17907; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:19:47 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17501 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17445 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY5-0004f7-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:49 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8ifhbq$2nmv$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] xterm or so - ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Greetings, Please advise me on interoperability with existing unixes. At my work I often use telnet/ssh/ssh2 to log on different hosts from my desktop (now Linux or FreeBSD, sometimes with XFree86) and change config files with 'vi' there. Having tried plan9's 'telnet', I found that our hosts can support 'p9win' terminal only in dumb mode. It seems that reasonable 'termcap' entry for this terminal could not be expressed easily, so I think I need a terminal emulator like 'xterm' under plan9, or perhaps an ability to run x-client 'xterm' remotely and use local plan9 as x-server to have its window here. And besides, how do I set both-way mapping between koi8-r (cyrillic 8-bit character encoding we use under unix) and unicode used on plan9? And in relation, how do I switch keyboard layouts between 'latin' and 'cyrillic'? I would like to be able to do that instantly by hotkey, as I can set up on Linux or FreeBSD - is there any way ? Thanks those who know for any their suggestions :> -- mwg@alkar.net --upas-pughzsivjruewoxhlmvtqnpvfz-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 09:25:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22709 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:25:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gemini.fav.zcu.cz (luki@uk409p03-kiv.fav.zcu.cz [147.228.63.30]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22700 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from luki@localhost) by gemini.fav.zcu.cz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id PAA29311 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:25:06 +0200 Message-Id: <200006191325.PAA29311@gemini.fav.zcu.cz> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:25:06 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: luki@kiv.zcu.cz From: luki@kiv.zcu.cz (Lukas Petrlik) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL65 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In article <200006171848.OAA23776@cse.psu.edu> you wrote: > I'm confused by your posting. Plan 9 is available to all and sundry > to enjoy, change, and play with. The Plan 9 Open Source license says > so. I am eager to play with the system, but it seems to be unavailable to me. Perhaps I missed something? I am not a US citizen. -- Lukas Petrlik From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 09:27:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22911 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:27:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA22906 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006191327.JAA22906@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] chown - ? From: "Russ Cox" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:27:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu And I got a pair of key files belonging to 'glenda.sys' in common directory /sys/lib/ssh/ So, the question is how about another (real) users that might log on to the same terminal host ? How to make them use the same host keys ? You don't need to be able to read the secret key -- it just has to exist. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but I suspect it's an artifact of having the server and client compile from the same libraries. The host secret key is only used when running as a server; the protocol never touches it when running as a client, except to do RSA_RHOSTS authentication, which we don't support. You can generate keys for yourself by using aux/ssh_genkey $home/lib/ssh and that will create ssh.secret, ssh.public, and ssh.public10 (suitable for sharing with Unix systems). See the ssh man page for more. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 10:04:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23804 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:04:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from linux.borf.com (mach254.borf.com [205.185.197.254] (may be forged)) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23796 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: sah@linux.borf.com Received: from localhost (sah@localhost) by linux.borf.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03909 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:02:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:02:59 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fileserver problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I am trying to bring up my fileserver and am having trouble. I'm running it with 2 18GB scsi disks (using the aha1542). I intend for one to be the filesystem, and the other to be the pseudo-worm. First, what I've done: 1. Boot up the fileserver from floppy using 9pcfs 2. At config:, I type the following service config w0 filsys main cw0fw1 filsys dump o ream main ip ... (all ip info follows) end 3. It boots up the first time fine. I then issue these commands in order to set up the filesystem so I can 9fs into it: users default create /adm adm adm 755 d create /adm/users adm adm 755 create /usr adm adm 755 d newuser glenda 4. Now, from the standalone I have up, I issue 9fs to mount the filesystem, and I initialize it from the plan9.9gz release. 5. Now I set up the authid using the passwd command. 5. I issue a dump to write it all to the worm, sync, and halt. When I boot up next time (skipping config mode), the kernel panics with the following: tag =2/1; expected 7 -- flushed stack trace of 1 panic: cwinit: checktag c bucket cpu 0 exiting I've been through the code for the fileserver many times, but I can't seem to figure out why this is happening. Any ideas would be really appreciated. Thanks, Sam From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 10:30:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA24709 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:30:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA24705 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006191430.KAA24705@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:30:38 -0400 To: mwg@alkar.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] xterm or so - ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > I found that our hosts can support 'p9win' terminal only in dumb mode. Run vt(1) in the window before you telnet. -Tad From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 10:40:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25180 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:40:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25176 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13420b-00062A-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:54:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:46:21 GMT From: luki@kiv.zcu.cz (Lukas Petrlik) Message-ID: <200006191325.PAA29311@gemini.fav.zcu.cz> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: luki@kiv.zcu.cz Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In article <200006171848.OAA23776@cse.psu.edu> you wrote: > I'm confused by your posting. Plan 9 is available to all and sundry > to enjoy, change, and play with. The Plan 9 Open Source license says > so. I am eager to play with the system, but it seems to be unavailable to me. Perhaps I missed something? I am not a US citizen. -- Lukas Petrlik From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 11:04:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA25952 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:04:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA25944 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006191504.LAA25944@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:04:27 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Dvorak MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ybmuigutqmfhnidbkvswpuhokp" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ybmuigutqmfhnidbkvswpuhokp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've clearly learned a bit over the years. I had a keyboard with the keys in the wrong place. I wrote a program that mounted on top of /dev/cons and just did swapping. I'll try to dig it up. Having /n/dump is great but only if you can remember sort of what the file was called. If you need to see up/down events, you have to rewrite kbd.c --upas-ybmuigutqmfhnidbkvswpuhokp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Jun 18 17:02:51 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Sun Jun 18 17:02:50 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08715; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:47:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA08677 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA08673 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 16:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133loB-0005Ac-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 21:36:43 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:36:04 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006182010.QAA08173@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-unknown" Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: [9fans] Dvorak Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id QAA08674 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk > By the way, I'm a Dvorak user and therefore it is difficult to study > Plan 9 with ordinary qwerty layout. How can I remap the layout to Drovak? I haven't checked out the new system, but unless they added some of forsythe's hacks you may have to do some work to get a qwerty->dvorak mapping to work. I'm curious why one can't just buy a keyboard mapped to dvorak already? ------- Forwarded Messages Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:55:43 -0400 From: cort@cs.nmt.edu (Cort) To: 9fans Subject: dvorak keyboard layout Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a normal one? I couldn't find anything in the man pages of documentation I have. ------- Message 2 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:57:49 -0400 From: presotto@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Subject: re: dvorak keyboard layout Nope, hack kbd.c. ------- Message 3 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:15:06 -0400 From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Subject: keyboard layout >>Is there a way to swap keys around to emulate a dvorak keyboard with a >>normal one? i've got small changes to kbd.c and a rudimentary #κ device that exports a kbmap file. you can echo things to it to change some of the maps. i haven't yet defined a sensible interface between it and kbd.c; currently it is PC only, but that should change. --upas-ybmuigutqmfhnidbkvswpuhokp-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 11:27:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26724 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:27:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA26717 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:27:31 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006191527.LAA26717@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:27:27 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vrrdwjobhlvxzferbhuczzmhhy" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vrrdwjobhlvxzferbhuczzmhhy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not surprised in either case. Our httpd has never been sped up. It runs a separate process for each request and caches nothing. I never looked inside apache so I don't know what it does. When you said that you'ld set the listen qlen to 10, how did you do that in Plan 9? Ours is fixed at 5 (a mistake which I will correct as soon as I'm back home for a while). You can increase it by changing the constant Maxincall in /sys/src/9/ip/ip.h. Given that you were constantly fetching the same file, I doubt that much of the time was the file server process. I'm assuming that you mounted the file server cached. --upas-vrrdwjobhlvxzferbhuczzmhhy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Jun 19 05:39:03 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Mon Jun 19 05:39:02 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA18075; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:21:06 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17555 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:19:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17468 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 133xY8-0004fb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:08:56 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:48:30 GMT From: abhay puri Message-ID: <394CDB64.9B9328E6@one.net.au> Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006161600.MAA28743@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] listen qlen Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Many thanks to all who answered the 'how to make the kernel' question. It works and should be useful for lots more than this qlen question! I took some time measurements where the client code is basically "connect, send "GET /", close" 03 iterations linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 33 pkts 0.058, 0.056, 0.057 p9/httpd 0.055, 0.055, 0.055 20 iterations linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 220 pkts 0.283, 0.284, 0.278 p9/httpd 5-7 connection refused messages p9/httpd qlen=512 201 pkts 0.513, 0.380, 0.384 50 iterations linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 3.291, 3.294, 3.283 linux2.2.14-15mdk/apache1.3.9 qlen=511 550 pkts 0.636, 0.655, 0.635 p9/httpd qlen=512 0.994, 0.991, 1.007 Notes: - except where explicitly stated, the listen qlen is 10. - all times are in seconds and are calculated using tcpdump running on the client - the three times are three consecutive measurements - the linux and p9 measurements are both taken from the same box which is a p133 pc, 48Mb. Questions: I guess i have a couple of questions: - the fact that p9/httpd started refusing connections at 20 iterations while linux didn't surprised me. (that may be more a linux question?) - the fact that p9/httpd took half again as long (50 iterations) as linux surprised me (this maybe too artificial a test - with no bearing on how a server would actually perform ). Nevertheless, is this sort of difference expected? or is it likely I've stuffed something in my configuration up? --upas-vrrdwjobhlvxzferbhuczzmhhy-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 11:42:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA27263 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:42:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27258 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:41:54 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006191541.LAA27258@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] keyboard mappings Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:41:41 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu (http|ftp)://plan9.bell-labs.com/who/presotto/kbdmap.c maps keyboard characters. It has to be started before rio. To set up mappings, write to /dev/kbdmap. The input consists of pairs of characters Both and are the hex unicode values of the characters you want to map. Anytime is read from the keyboard, it is mapped to . You can put any number of pairs on a line. The string flush makes kbdmap forget all mappings. For example writing: 20 21 will change all spaces into exclamations. Try to get anything done after that. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 12:01:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27966 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:01:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA27959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:00:58 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006191600.MAA27959@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] whoops. Netconfig bug Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 12:00:56 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I just realized that in the netconfig program I posted, if you chose DHCP, it didn't actually work because there was an extraneous "echo" before the ip/ipconfig -d line. I put a fixed version up on http://www.csh-east.org/~tad/plan9, or you can just change the "echo" to "run". -Tad From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 15:32:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA03333 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:32:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA03326 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006191932.PAA03326@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] keyboard mappings Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:32:13 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu it appears to me that the ALT sequences are hardcoded into kbd.c; thus, if you want to map the keyboard to, say, dvorak, you must modify the kernel or else type very strange ALT sequences. does forsyth's device also consider this (in the misnamed latin1.[ch]). also, it would be nice to add ALT strings on the fly. say, anyone have an APL font out there? plus a nice set of ALT maps, and boy what fun. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 16:08:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04535 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:08:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA04531 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006192008.QAA04531@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver problems From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:08:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've been through the code for the fileserver many times, but I can't seem to figure out why this is happening. Any ideas would be really appreciated. Give us your address and we'll send Ken out to fix it. That's our technique. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 19:30:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA08524 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:30:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (0@fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08514 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.180.111.217 (tbayne@tbayne1.hiwaay.net [216.180.111.217]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with SMTP id e5JNU1d30159 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:30:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:30:42 -0500 From: Terry Bayne Subject: Re: [9fans] Kernel Panic Trap after User prompt. To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200006191313.JAA22041@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu [This followup was posted to comp.os.plan9 and a copy was sent to the cited author.] In article <200006191313.JAA22041@cse.psu.edu>, rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com says... > After I get prompted for a user, the kernel > does a panic trap, spews a > bunch of numbers then stops. > > The message immediately after "panic:" > would be quite useful to know. > > What did you type at the "root is from:" > prompt, and what was the default in []s? > Ok, here is what I saw on the screen followed by a lot of hex numbers. ---------------------------------------------------- PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs using sdD0!9fat!plan9.ini Ether#0: NE2000: port 0x240 irq 10 addr 0x4000 ...... found 9pcdisk. attr 0x0 start 0x49 ...... entry: 0x80100020 cpu0: 501MHz AuthenticAMD AMD-K6-2 CPU ID AX 0x0586 DX 0x8021BF #l0: NE2000: NE2000: port 0x240 irq 10 addr 0x4000 ...... dev A0 config 045A capabilities 0b00 mwdma 0007 .... dev A0 config 0040 capabilities 2f00 mwdma 0007 .... dev B0 config 2f00 capabilities 2f00 mwdma 0407 24347 Free Pages 97338K Bytes 382188 K Swap #A: no response #ff root is from (il,local) [local!#S/sdD0/fs] << Picked the default here user:[] << Tried default and glenda kfs...boot:nop...time... init starting /bin/rc panic crda write 16382 to 16384 cpu0: Exiting panic: ilock: no way out: pc 80155c3f -------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 20:54:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09914 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA09910 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10919; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006200054.RAA10919@ohio.river.org> From: "Russ Cox" Subject: Re: [9fans] chown - ? To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu And I got a pair of key files belonging to 'glenda.sys' in common directory /sys/lib/ssh/ So, the question is how about another (real) users that might log on to the same terminal host ? How to make them use the same host keys ? You don't need to be able to read the secret key -- it just has to exist. I'm not exactly sure why that is, but I suspect it's an artifact of having the server and client compile from the same libraries. The host secret key is only used when running as a server; the protocol never touches it when running as a client, except to do RSA_RHOSTS authentication, which we don't support. You can generate keys for yourself by using aux/ssh_genkey $home/lib/ssh and that will create ssh.secret, ssh.public, and ssh.public10 (suitable for sharing with Unix systems). See the ssh man page for more. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 20:59:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10117 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:59:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10113 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@daisybell.net Message-Id: <200006200059.UAA10113@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Usenix Registration Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:59:35 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've graciously accepted David Butler's offer to use his Usenix registration -- thanks, David! Off to San Diego... Michael Baldwin From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 22:41:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA11709 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:41:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com [24.64.2.49]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA11705 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.usask.ca ([24.67.43.191]) by mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000620024118.YSPK19141.mail2.rdc2.ab.home.com@mail.usask.ca> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:41:18 -0700 Message-ID: <394ED954.636A659D@mail.usask.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:39:16 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] semi-crash while low on memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I received my second crash (kind of) yesterday while trying: for (i in /sys/doc/*.ps) { window page $i } I have allowed 128 megs of ram (together with swap) for my plan9 installation, which is still in a single-machine state with no separata cpu/file servers. After I executed the above, while watching the memory consumption grow slowly on 'stats', I was able to switch terminals and even execute acme, however after the thrashing onset nothing more will run. Rio/stats/acme/terminals were responding, albeit slowly, but no new programs could be started. I left the machine for about a minute to get a cup of coffee (*cough*) and when I came back on top of rio the console was spitting messasges of the sort: lock key loop 0xdeaddead [?] pc 0x8011674c held by pc 0x80116dfb proc 8584 8497: page pc 8014f8e5 d bg pc 15396 ... (Running) ut 0 st 13811 bss 2b 000 gpc 8016ec89 scrolling down constantly (together with other info I couldn't write down)... The only solution seemed to be rebooting. Unfortunately I was unable to reproduce the problem since any consecutive attempts resulted in mere thrashing but no errors. Hope I am helpful with this: Andrey PS: The Error Message above is not 100% correct since I wrote it down in haste. The questionmark in there did not appear in the original :) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 19 23:57:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13169 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:57:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13165 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22118 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2000 12:57:16 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Jun 2000 12:57:16 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 134F9z-0004rl-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:57:11 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard mappings References: <200006191541.LAA27258@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 20 Jun 2000 12:57:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200006191541.LAA27258@cse.psu.edu> (presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com's message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:06:30 GMT") Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.6 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com writes: > (http|ftp)://plan9.bell-labs.com/who/presotto/kbdmap.c > > maps keyboard characters. It has to be started before rio. Please show me the correct usage of kbdmap. I compiled kbdmap.c to kbdmap, put in my home directory. Then inserted kbdmap before exec rio in lib/profile($service = terminal). I rebooted the system and login, which cause trouble on rio. Rio cannot open the display. Here is the error messages. rio: can't open dislplay: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: file already open for I/O init: rc exit status: rio 10: rio 64: display open From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 00:38:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA13879 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:38:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13875 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14435; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006200438.VAA14435@ohio.river.org> From: Richard Uhtenwoldt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Usenix Registration In-Reply-To: <200006200059.UAA10113@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006200059.UAA10113@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu mike@daisybell.net writes: >I've graciously accepted David Butler's offer to use his >Usenix registration -- thanks, David! Off to San Diego... It just occurs to me that I want to go to Usenix, too, to learn more about Plan 9, so if anyone else has a registration they're not going to use, ... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 02:45:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA15505 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA15501 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 02:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 134Hn9-0006PT-0K for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:45:47 +0000 Message-ID: <002601bfda83$1233d160$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006192008.QAA04531@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver problems Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:45:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu That would presumably be 24/7 service as well - he might turn up any time? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob pike" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver problems > I've been through the code for the fileserver many times, but I can't seem > to figure out why this is happening. Any ideas would be really > appreciated. > > Give us your address and we'll send Ken out to fix it. That's our technique. > > -rob > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 03:36:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA16056 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA16052 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 03:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user (eliot.prognet.com [208.147.89.91]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id AAA07218 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000620003703.00937aa0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:37:03 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver problems In-Reply-To: <002601bfda83$1233d160$6f64a8c0@blue> References: <200006192008.QAA04531@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This would be quite a change from debugging at 300bps! (according to legend) P.S. As enticement for a Seattle stop, I'd throw in a day of flying around the Puget Sound in a 172. (I can just see an ebay-esque bidding frenzy starting) At 07:45 AM 6/20/00 +0100, Nigel Roles wrote: >That would presumably be 24/7 service as well - he might turn up any time? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "rob pike" >To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> >Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 9:08 PM >Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver problems > > >> I've been through the code for the fileserver many times, but I can't seem >> to figure out why this is happening. Any ideas would be really >> appreciated. >> >> Give us your address and we'll send Ken out to fix it. That's our >technique. >> >> -rob >> > > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 04:16:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA16579 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:16:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA16574 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 04:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006200816.EAA16574@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:16:50 +0900 Subject: [9fans] pbs.s and pbslba.s and pbsdisk.c ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm still hunging around scsi disk problems, new file server has been up though. I found a file, named /sys/src/boot/pc/pbsdisk.s, which is not used for compile. What is the difference between these three programs, pbs.s, pbslba.s and pbsdisk.s? I'm now leaning to abondon the idea to hold two versions in a same domain... These two versions are seemed to be very different especially at booting. Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 05:17:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17301 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:17:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17288 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134JrP-0002QR-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:58:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:48:15 GMT From: Terry Bayne Message-ID: <91y35.2390$Iv3.62587@news-east.usenetserver.com> Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. References: <200006191313.JAA22041@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: gnome@hiwaay.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Kernel Panic Trap after User prompt. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu [This followup was posted to comp.os.plan9 and a copy was sent to the cited author.] In article <200006191313.JAA22041@cse.psu.edu>, rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com says... > After I get prompted for a user, the kernel > does a panic trap, spews a > bunch of numbers then stops. > > The message immediately after "panic:" > would be quite useful to know. > > What did you type at the "root is from:" > prompt, and what was the default in []s? > Ok, here is what I saw on the screen followed by a lot of hex numbers. ---------------------------------------------------- PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs using sdD0!9fat!plan9.ini Ether#0: NE2000: port 0x240 irq 10 addr 0x4000 ...... found 9pcdisk. attr 0x0 start 0x49 ...... entry: 0x80100020 cpu0: 501MHz AuthenticAMD AMD-K6-2 CPU ID AX 0x0586 DX 0x8021BF #l0: NE2000: NE2000: port 0x240 irq 10 addr 0x4000 ...... dev A0 config 045A capabilities 0b00 mwdma 0007 .... dev A0 config 0040 capabilities 2f00 mwdma 0007 .... dev B0 config 2f00 capabilities 2f00 mwdma 0407 24347 Free Pages 97338K Bytes 382188 K Swap #A: no response #ff root is from (il,local) [local!#S/sdD0/fs] << Picked the default here user:[] << Tried default and glenda kfs...boot:nop...time... init starting /bin/rc panic crda write 16382 to 16384 cpu0: Exiting panic: ilock: no way out: pc 80155c3f -------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 05:17:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17314 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:17:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17293 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134JrO-0002QF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:58:18 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:47:19 GMT From: Oleg Krivosheev Message-ID: Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory Subject: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, All AFAIK there are no shared libraries in plan9? Any ideas will they be available? second but related question: are there advanced ELF-like features like weak symbol, .init/.fini sections etc? thank you OK From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 05:17:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17317 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:17:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17298 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134JrN-0002Q8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:58:17 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:46:56 GMT From: altine@ee.fit.edu Message-ID: <8im3v9$4dq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello All; I've installed Plan9 without much trouble, and I love it. However I still did not get the networking done properly. I've read the manuals, and old postings that dealt with the same problem, and created a /lib/ndb/local accordingly but still could not succeed. This seems like real problem. Here is my network: I have a standalone plan9 box with IP of 163.118.134.2 with fqdn of neron.se.fit.edu. we are in 163.118.134.0/255.255.255.0 network and the dns server for us is 163.118.5.4. the domain name for all the machines in 163.118.134.0 network is se.fit.edu. I've written the following /lib/ndb/local file: database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common ip=163.118.134.2 ether=00A0C96C95DB sys=neron dom=neron.se.fit.edu proto=il ipnet=se-fit-edu ip=163.118.134.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=163.118.134.254 dns=163.118.5.4 when the machine boots, I get: ndb/dns: can't read my ip address. and I get no networking. My network card is a eepro100 and during bootup it is recognized, and I've used ip/ipconfig tool like ifconfig to up the interface, and successfully telnetted out, but /lib/nds/local seems useless for my case. any ideas/help/recomendation appreciated. thanks. -C.Altineller Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 05:17:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA17381 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:17:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134JrO-0002QL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:58:18 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:47:42 GMT From: Kris Van Hees Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Reply-To: kvanhees@quarterleaf.com Subject: [9fans] More Dell Inspiron 7500 woes Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I got a tad further with the latest update, where it tries to derive the LCD dimensions. This laptop actually stores the right dimensions in the BIOS, being 1280x1024. However, so far when I try to actually run with a config that supports that resolution I get a funky effect: the screen shows some colour and (depending on the depth being 8, 16 or 24) various broken copies of what I *should* see. Then it progressively begins to become more bright, until all of the screen is a bright white, except for some vertical lines near the left end of the screen. It has been completely baffled right now. Sounds like bed time. Anyone who has seen this, and has any ideas? Kris From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 06:13:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA18447 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:13:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA18443 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006201013.GAA18443@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? From: "rob pike" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 06:13:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu AFAIK there are no shared libraries in plan9? Any ideas will they be available? We haven't felt the need for shared libraries in Plan 9. second but related question: are there advanced ELF-like features like weak symbol, .init/.fini sections etc? The object file format is pretty straightforward. It doesn't even have type symbols; those are written to a separate file in the form of an acid(1) program. See a.out(6) for details of the object file format; 2c(1) and acid(1) for the symbols. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 07:05:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19044 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:05:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from simplify.rutgers.edu (simplify.rutgers.edu [128.6.15.26]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA19037 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11568 invoked by uid 31849); 20 Jun 2000 11:04:38 -0000 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 07:04:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Phillip Stanley-Marbell X-Sender: narteh@simplify.rutgers.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] CPU server Q. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi I've run into some trouble adding a CPU server to my (growing) Plan 9 network. (1) The start.ps/pdf/html document, at some point, says to do the following: cd /rc/bin/service.auth mv authsrv.il566 il566 mv authsrv.tcp567 tcp567 well, /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.il566,authsrv.tcp567 do not exist. I am working with a download from yesterday (06/20/2000). (2) I edited /sys/src/9/boot/key.c to permit having nvram on sdD0, and have an 8 sector (~4K) nvram partition. Compile etc & reboot: After entering passwd, authid ('droog'), authdomain (), system craps out with (copied down, not snarfed): boot: #c/hostdomain : bad arg in system call panic : boot process died : unknown ktrace... So I do a ^T^T^P, and there are 3 procs going, 'boot' 'genrandom' and 'alarm'. I tried the same vesch with HDD on sdC0, using virgin code and compiling, same trouble. The panic in question seems to be called from /sys/src/9/boot/key.c, line 96, and I think it might be trggered when you give an empty 'hostdomain'. bug, feature or error twixt kbd and chair ? - pip "So what's it going to be then, eh ?" From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 09:06:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA20803 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20799 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:06:01 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006201306.JAA20799@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:05:49 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard mappings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-iovrsbmqnfxqwveaxvmqaopvsh" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-iovrsbmqnfxqwveaxvmqaopvsh Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My mistake. It had a bug that survived our old version of malloc but m=not our new one and I hadn't compiled it since. One line change. In emalloc(), change malloc(n) to mallocz(n, 1). --upas-iovrsbmqnfxqwveaxvmqaopvsh Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Jun 20 00:15:46 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Tue Jun 20 00:15:46 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13203; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:57:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA13169 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:57:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA13165 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22118 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2000 12:57:16 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Jun 2000 12:57:16 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 134F9z-0004rl-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:57:11 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard mappings References: <200006191541.LAA27258@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 20 Jun 2000 12:57:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200006191541.LAA27258@cse.psu.edu> (presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com's message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:06:30 GMT") Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.6 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com writes: > (http|ftp)://plan9.bell-labs.com/who/presotto/kbdmap.c > > maps keyboard characters. It has to be started before rio. Please show me the correct usage of kbdmap. I compiled kbdmap.c to kbdmap, put in my home directory. Then inserted kbdmap before exec rio in lib/profile($service = terminal). I rebooted the system and login, which cause trouble on rio. Rio cannot open the display. Here is the error messages. rio: can't open dislplay: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: file already open for I/O init: rc exit status: rio 10: rio 64: display open --upas-iovrsbmqnfxqwveaxvmqaopvsh-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 09:15:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21067 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:15:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA21063 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006201315.JAA21063@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:15:35 -0400 To: altine@ee.fit.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu At first glance, the ethernet address in ip=163.118.134.2 ether=00A0C96C95DB sys=neron dom=neron.se.fit.edu proto=il should be lower case. However, that's not your immediate problem. It looks like IP isn't started up before dns is in /rc/bin/cpurc. Our standard cpurc doesn't do that since we normally run our cpu servers off a stand-alone netowrk file server. Try changing the ether address to lower case and adding ip/ipconfig before where ndb/cs and/ndb/dns are started in the cpurc file. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 10:25:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22689 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22685 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134OaP-0002uQ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:01:05 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:58:06 GMT From: Bill Gunshannon Message-ID: <8ins9g$29pn$1@info.cs.uofs.edu> Organization: University of Scranton Subject: [9fans] Running Version 2 along with Version 3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu It was posted that Sparc support was not rolled into the new Plan9. Is it possible that Version 2 systems will function along side of Version 3 systems?? I have a whole bunch of SparcStation 1's that made up the majority of my previous Plan9 network. I was hoping to continue the use of these as CPU Pool machines and Terminals. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 10:28:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22887 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:28:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22882 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:28:10 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006201428.KAA22882@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:28:07 -0400 To: narteh@ece.rutgers.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] CPU server Q. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The panic in question seems to be called from /sys/src/9/boot/key.c, line 96, and I think it might be trggered when you give an empty 'hostdomain'. You're right. Even though the host domain isn't really used by anything (I never implemented what it was intended for), it has to be non-null. I'll change the documentation to make sure you enter something. A domain suffix would be useful since it does appear in the authentication messages and can aid in debugging. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 10:51:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23607 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:51:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23603 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:51:40 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006201451.KAA23603@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:51:37 -0400 To: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Running Version 2 along with Version 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tegbslaiawsyrhiqopjqbyjtjl" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tegbslaiawsyrhiqopjqbyjtjl Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was living with a Nextstation running along my newer machines until quite recently. So far, the authentication is the same, though we intend to change that in the not too distant future. Ditto the 9 protocol. The cpu command uses a different protocol than the old systems. You can recompile the old cpu command on the new systems (call it ocpu or something) and use it to talk to the old systems. The new cpu command uses a different port so they can both exist on the same machine though you will have to edit ocpu.c to change the service name to something else. Graphics are radicly different so you can't cpu from one to the other and use any of the graphic commands like rio, sam, etc. Sam -r will work though since the protocol between the halves is unchanged. Of course, you could just port the new system to the Sun hardware. It shouldn't be that difficult with both the new and old in hand. We didn't because we don't really use suns, most of our old processors are mips. --upas-tegbslaiawsyrhiqopjqbyjtjl Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Jun 20 10:41:09 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Tue Jun 20 10:41:08 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA22728; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:25:36 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA22689 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:25:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA22685 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134OaP-0002uQ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 15:01:05 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:58:06 GMT From: Bill Gunshannon Message-ID: <8ins9g$29pn$1@info.cs.uofs.edu> Organization: University of Scranton Subject: [9fans] Running Version 2 along with Version 3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk It was posted that Sparc support was not rolled into the new Plan9. Is it possible that Version 2 systems will function along side of Version 3 systems?? I have a whole bunch of SparcStation 1's that made up the majority of my previous Plan9 network. I was hoping to continue the use of these as CPU Pool machines and Terminals. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include --upas-tegbslaiawsyrhiqopjqbyjtjl-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 11:08:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24446 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:08:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24432 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006201508.LAA24432@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:08:34 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pbs.s and pbslba.s and pbsdisk.c ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu pbs.s and pbslba.s are the primary bootstrap loaders described in 9load(8). pbs.s uses old c/h/s addressing, while pbslba.s uses new lba addressing. pbsdisk.s is for debugging: you add in the disk reading routines from either pbs.s or pbslba.s, and it reads the first sector and displays it on the screen. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 11:14:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA24842 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:14:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA24838 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006201514.LAA24838@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:14:11 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] keyboard mappings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu it appears to me that the ALT sequences are hardcoded into kbd.c; thus, if you want to map the keyboard to, say, hardcoded, yes. in kbd.c, no! they're in /lib/keyboard, where they belong. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 11:51:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26294 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:51:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from yacht.ee.fit.edu (yacht.ee.fit.edu [163.118.137.100]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26289 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by yacht.ee.fit.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA21791; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 11:45:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Can Altineller To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. In-Reply-To: <200006201309.JAA20667@yacht.ee.fit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu hello; I've fixed the ethernet address thing. my /rc/bin/termrc and /rc/bin/cpurc was untouched. I've added ip/ipconfig before ndb/cs and ndb/dns -r in cpurc, and I still get the same problem. On the other hand, ip/ipconfig executes before ndb/dns and after ndb/cs in /rc/bin/termrc. is there any way to debug this problem? This is a default installation, and I have not changed anything. Thanks for your help. -C.Altineller > At first glance, the ethernet address in > > ip=163.118.134.2 ether=00A0C96C95DB sys=neron > dom=neron.se.fit.edu > proto=il > > should be lower case. However, that's not your > immediate problem. It looks like IP isn't started > up before dns is in /rc/bin/cpurc. Our standard > cpurc doesn't do that since we normally run our > cpu servers off a stand-alone netowrk file server. > > Try changing the ether address to lower case and adding > > ip/ipconfig > > before where ndb/cs and/ndb/dns are started in the cpurc > file. > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:12:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA27013 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:12:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pixar.pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27002 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marvin.pixar.com (marvin.pixar.com [138.72.30.83]) by pixar.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09464 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from td@localhost) by marvin.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA59081 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:12:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tom Duff" Message-Id: <10006200912.ZM59069@marvin> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:12:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: Oleg Krivosheev "[9fans] SO for plan9?" (Jun 20, 8:47am) References: Reply-To: td@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > AFAIK there are no shared libraries in plan9? > Any ideas will they be available? Shared libraries are the work of the devil, the one true sign that the apocalypse is at hand. Seriously, they're good for two things, first for plug-in features, which in plan 9 are often better handled by 9P servers (obviously not always, for example if there's an otherwise unachievable latency or throughput requirement), and second for giving third parties permission to break your code after you've shipped it. I am stunned and amazed that anybody that pays salary to customer service reps would ever consider using shared libraries. -- Tom Duff. At the end, one person called for an encore. 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From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 12:48:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA28253 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:48:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA28244 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 12:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134R8M-0004tU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:44:18 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:37:12 GMT From: td@pixar.com (Tom Duff) Message-ID: <10006200912.ZM59069@marvin> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Reply-To: td@pixar.com Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > AFAIK there are no shared libraries in plan9? > Any ideas will they be available? Shared libraries are the work of the devil, the one true sign that the apocalypse is at hand. Seriously, they're good for two things, first for plug-in features, which in plan 9 are often better handled by 9P servers (obviously not always, for example if there's an otherwise unachievable latency or throughput requirement), and second for giving third parties permission to break your code after you've shipped it. I am stunned and amazed that anybody that pays salary to customer service reps would ever consider using shared libraries. -- Tom Duff. At the end, one person called for an encore. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 13:03:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA28772 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:03:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA28768 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134RML-00050L-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:58:45 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 16:57:28 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8io763$829$2@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <961516007.21976.0.nnrp-10.d4f0e306@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: [9fans] Re: vita nuova announce inferno 3rd edition Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In comp.os.plan9 Roger Pepp wrote: > we are pleased to announce that the 3rd edition of inferno is now > available. > see http://www.vitanuova.com/ for details, on-line manual pages, etc. To say, are there any fundamental architecture differences between plan9 and inferno, except that inferno uses bytecode interpreting virtual machine while plan9 uses cross-compiling ? And to add a question, may limbo and inferno's library infrastructure be (back)ported to plan9 ? -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 20:12:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA07838 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:12:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from x.bell-labs.com (204.178.16.14.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.14]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA07834 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:12:36 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@x.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006210012.UAA07834@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] ALT sequences Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:08:10 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu oops, my mistake. they are hardcoded in /sys/src/9/port/latin1.h, which is included by .../latin1.c. i don't see where /lib/keyboard enters into the picture at all. it's the latintab[] array in the kernel, initialized by latin1.[ch], that determines ALT sequences. or am i missing something? and shouldn't it be unitab and unicode.c? anyway. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 21:29:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA09086 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:29:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09082 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 21:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user ([172.21.104.107]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA32510 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000620183042.00902350@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 18:30:42 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] NE2000 problems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I get a kernel panic during installation as soon as the download is about to be initiated. The problem seems to be with the ne2000 driver; it outputs something like: 'panic crda write'... to the screen. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 20 22:02:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA09825 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA09820 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006210202.WAA09820@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 22:02:31 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ALT sequences MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu latin1.h gets created from /lib/keyboard by the rules in /sys/src/9/port/portmkfile. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 04:48:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14646 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:48:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14636 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134g6H-0006HZ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:43:09 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:41:54 GMT From: Oleg Krivosheev Message-ID: Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory References: , <10006200912.ZM59069@marvin> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu td@pixar.com (Tom Duff) writes: > > AFAIK there are no shared libraries in plan9? > > Any ideas will they be available? > > Shared libraries are the work of the devil, > the one true sign that the apocalypse is > at hand. Seriously, they're good for two > things, huh !?! well, three things for me... first being the ability to share code between the application hate to see gnome ported and get 20meg staticaly linked simple CD player > first for plug-in features, which > in plan 9 are often better handled by 9P > servers (obviously not always, for example > if there's an otherwise unachievable latency > or throughput requirement), that is second for me. looks like porting something like mozilla or gimp would be close to impossible, isn't it? > and second for > giving third parties permission to break your > code after you've shipped it. I am stunned > and amazed that anybody that pays salary to > customer service reps would ever consider > using shared libraries. third would be the ability to patch/replace basic libraries without replacing the applications > -- > Tom Duff. At the end, one person called for an encore. same as in Duff's device? OK From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 04:48:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14663 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:48:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14641 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134g6F-0006HM-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:43:07 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:41:00 GMT From: Bill Dodd Message-ID: Organization: IBM Austin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <8im3v9$4dq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: plan9 networking trouble. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>>>> "altine" == altine writes: altine> when the machine boots, I get: altine> ndb/dns: can't read my ip address. and I get no networking. My network altine> card is a eepro100 and during bootup it is recognized, and I've used altine> ip/ipconfig tool like ifconfig to up the interface, and successfully altine> telnetted out, but /lib/nds/local seems useless for my case. I was getting this error until I changed my ip/ipconfig line in termrc to: ip/ipconfig -D -g my_gw ether /net/ether0 add my_ip my_mask One of the docs I read seemed to imply that ip/ipconfig should get that info from /lib/ndb/local, but I never could get it to work without including it explicitly in the ip/ipconfig command line. -bill -- Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 04:48:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA14665 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:48:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA14645 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 04:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134g6G-0006HT-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:43:08 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 08:41:27 GMT From: altineller@my-deja.com Message-ID: <8ioefq$m5p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. References: <200006201315.JAA21063@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu hello; I've changed the ethernet address to lower case, and added ip/ipconfig to /rc/bin/cpurc. The problem persists. In a default installation does the cpurc or termrc execute? Mine is a default machine, and this is a default install. I have not been able to understand why this is not working. any help/ideas/recommendations appreciated. thanks. -C.Altineller > At first glance, the ethernet address in > > ip=163.118.134.2 ether=00A0C96C95DB sys=neron > dom=neron.se.fit.edu > proto=il > > should be lower case. However, that's not your > immediate problem. It looks like IP isn't started > up before dns is in /rc/bin/cpurc. Our standard > cpurc doesn't do that since we normally run our > cpu servers off a stand-alone netowrk file server. > > Try changing the ether address to lower case and adding > > ip/ipconfig > > before where ndb/cs and/ndb/dns are started in the cpurc > file. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 05:03:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15224 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15219 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weyl.math.psu.edu (weyl.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.226]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18075; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (viro@localhost) by weyl.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13392; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:03:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: weyl.math.psu.edu: viro owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Viro To: td@pixar.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? In-Reply-To: <10006200912.ZM59069@marvin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Tom Duff wrote: > > AFAIK there are no shared libraries in plan9? > > Any ideas will they be available? > > Shared libraries are the work of the devil, > the one true sign that the apocalypse is > at hand. Seriously, they're good for two > things, first for plug-in features, which > in plan 9 are often better handled by 9P > servers (obviously not always, for example > if there's an otherwise unachievable latency > or throughput requirement), and second for > giving third parties permission to break your > code after you've shipped it. I am stunned > and amazed that anybody that pays salary to > customer service reps would ever consider > using shared libraries. Erm... There is one more reason to use them, but it requires a working mmap() (OK, demand-paging of your binaries - if you can do that you can do mmap() anyway). If foo and bar are statically linked against the same library you will have no way to tell that parts of the image can be shared (as long as they are clean, yodda, yodda). If they are using the same shared library and you have a pagecache-based system you will get the sharing for free. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 05:33:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15699 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:33:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15695 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134grp-0007XT-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:32:17 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:18:55 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8iq0v5$el3$3@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <200006201315.JAA21063@cse.psu.edu>, <8ioefq$m5p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu altineller@my-deja.com wrote: > I've changed the ethernet address to lower case, and added ip/ipconfig > to /rc/bin/cpurc. > The problem persists. In a default installation does the cpurc or > termrc execute? Mine is a default machine, and this is a default > install. I have not been able to understand why this is not working. > any help/ideas/recommendations appreciated. In default installation, termrc started first, and cpurc does not seem to be started at all. Reading man init did not help me to know where is this script's name defined . Init starts rc, rc interprets termrc, but how do I make rc run cpurc instead, should I wish ? -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 05:48:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA15974 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:48:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA15970 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 05:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134h4u-0000QC-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:45:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:34:10 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8iq0mq$el3$2@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <8im3v9$4dq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Subject: [9fans] Re: plan9 networking trouble. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Bill Dodd wrote: > altine> ndb/dns: can't read my ip address. and I get no networking. My network > altine> card is a eepro100 and during bootup it is recognized, and I've used > altine> ip/ipconfig tool like ifconfig to up the interface, and successfully > altine> telnetted out, but /lib/nds/local seems useless for my case. > I was getting this error until I changed my ip/ipconfig line in termrc > to: > ip/ipconfig -D -g my_gw ether /net/ether0 add my_ip my_mask > One of the docs I read seemed to imply that ip/ipconfig should get that > info from /lib/ndb/local, but I never could get it to work without > including it explicitly in the ip/ipconfig command line. Same had I. Except I also tried to run dhcpd on local host before running ipconfig (to get ip configuration from dhcpd on my own host). I end up with editing ipconfig command line in termrc by hands too. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 10:17:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA19646 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from akbar.nevex.com (gate.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA19641 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from akbar.nevex.com (IDENT:steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by akbar.nevex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14427 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:17:14 -0400 Message-Id: <200006211417.KAA14427@akbar.nevex.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:18:55 GMT." <8iq0v5$el3$3@pandora.alkar.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:17:14 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wladimir Mutel wrote: > > The problem persists. In a default installation does the cpurc or > > termrc execute? Mine is a default machine, and this is a default > > install. I have not been able to understand why this is not working. After installing, you have a plan9 terminal; so /rc/bin/termrc is executed > In default installation, termrc started first, and cpurc does not > seem to be started at all. Reading man init did not help me to know > where is this script's name defined . Init starts rc, rc interprets > termrc, but how do I make rc run cpurc instead, should I wish ? see cpurc(8), init(8) and boot(8), paying attention to $service Boot is the first program run after a kernel has been loaded. If this is a terminal kernel, it sets /env/service to terminal If this is a cpuserver kernel, it sets /env/service to cpu On a terminal, boot completes by exec'ing /$objtype/init -t On a cpuserver, it exec's /$objtype/init -c This causes init to run termrc or cpurc Also look at the switch statement in /usr/glenda/lib/profile to see how $service is used when a user logs in. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 11:16:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA21326 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:16:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21321 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:16:21 -0400 (EDT) From: dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006211516.LAA21321@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:16:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu kriol@wally.fnal.gov writes: > first being the ability to share code between the application > > hate to see gnome ported and get 20meg staticaly linked > simple CD player So basically you want shared libraries to mitigate the effects of code bloat? Why not do away with the code bloat instead? This is Plan 9's approach. In the case that there is some large-ish body of code that needs to be shared between applications, the Plan 9 way is to make that body of code into a file server which the applications can talk to (as already suggested on this list by Tom Duff). In the worst case, you might need a small stub library to put a procedure-call interface on top of the file server interface, but it certainly doesn't have to be as big as libX11.a! Acme is an example of this approach; acme handles all the gory details of text windows, so that programs like the acme mail reader don't have to. It might be interesting to take the Inferno Tk implementation and build it into a Plan 9 fileserver... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 11:51:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA22406 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22394 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: tad@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006211551.LAA22394@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 11:51:11 -0400 To: bdodd@austin.ibm.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan9 networking trouble. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu If you go to http://www.csh-east.org/~tad/plan9, you'll find a script called ``netconfig'' and an example /lib/ndb/local file that you can use to maybe ease the setup. In /rc/bin/termrc, replace the call to ip/ipconfig with a call to netconfig, which will prompt you for DHCP or a system name from the ndb database. The example /lib/ndb/local file is the configuration I use on my laptop, which roams between work (DHCP), and home, connected to the Lucent intranet. When I boot my laptop at work, I pick the default (DHCP), and when I boot at home, I enter "think" at the "system name" prompt. -Tad From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 12:10:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23198 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:10:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from goliat.eik.bme.hu (postfix@goliat.eik.bme.hu [152.66.0.200]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23194 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix, from userid 455) id 25FC3D42B; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:09:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130F9A17A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:09:57 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:09:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: FODEMESI Gergely X-Sender: fgergo@goliat To: plan9 mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Compaq LTE 5250 laptop instant reboot Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have a Compaq LTE5250 laptop. During booting the loader detects the PCMCIA slot device(?) (2 slot Cirrus Logic PD6720). After loading .gz image, loader writes out entry:80xxxxxx, before the cpu detection it instantly reboots. Could I somehow do something, to find out what the problem is? I don't have a running plan9 system yet, trying to get a working video card for my desktop PC. thanks: gergo system: 120Mhz CPU, 80MB RAM, 700MB HD From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 12:18:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23484 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:18:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23480 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 12:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 134myJ-0007dN-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:03:23 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:58:40 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8iqnet$15k0$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <8iq0v5$el3$3@pandora.alkar.net>, <200006211417.KAA14427@akbar.nevex.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: > see cpurc(8), init(8) and boot(8), paying attention to $service Oh, thanks for your explaination . It is not easy for me to navigate through these mans at the beginning. > Boot is the first program run after a kernel has been loaded. > If this is a terminal kernel, it sets /env/service to terminal > If this is a cpuserver kernel, it sets /env/service to cpu > On a terminal, boot completes by exec'ing /$objtype/init -t > On a cpuserver, it exec's /$objtype/init -c > This causes init to run termrc or cpurc Thank you, I read all related mans and now understand booting process some better. But in order to set 'service', do we need to rebuild the kernel or we may simply write this setting in plan9.ini ? > Also look at the switch statement in /usr/glenda/lib/profile > to see how $service is used when a user logs in. And to help the beginner, is there any way to restart only terminal server and log on as another user, without rebooting the complete system ? Thanks in advance for your answers. :> -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 13:09:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA24816 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:09:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from akbar.nevex.com (gate.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA24812 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from akbar.nevex.com (IDENT:steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by akbar.nevex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16852 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:09:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200006211709.NAA16852@akbar.nevex.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2000 15:58:40 GMT." <8iqnet$15k0$1@pandora.alkar.net> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:09:44 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wladimir Mutel wrote: > > On a terminal, boot completes by exec'ing /$objtype/init -t > > On a cpuserver, it exec's /$objtype/init -c > > This causes init to run termrc or cpurc > > Thank you, I read all related mans and now understand booting process > some better. But in order to set 'service', do we need to rebuild > the kernel or we may simply write this setting in plan9.ini ? If you wanted to change this, you'd have to modify the kernel source. I really can't understand why you'd want to change it, though as you'll likely break things farther down the chain. Look at /sys/src/9/pc/main.c, you'll find: if(cpuserver) ksetenv("service", "cpu"); else ksetenv("service", "terminal"); The value of cpuserver gets set in the kernel config file, /sys/src/9/pc/pc or /sys/src/9/pc/pccpu > And to help the beginner, is there any way to restart only > terminal server and log on as another user, without rebooting the > complete system ? no, you must reboot the terminal to login as a different user the terminal's username (and their password) is prompted for by boot(8) and then used to connect to the fileserver. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 13:56:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA26077 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:56:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA26073 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 13:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0N.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.173]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:56:27 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA02303 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:56:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 10:56:26 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Message-ID: <20000621105626.D2237@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006211516.LAA21321@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200006211516.LAA21321@cse.psu.edu>; from dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com on Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 11:16:02AM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Wed, Jun 21, 2000 at 11:16:02AM -0400, dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > So basically you want shared libraries to mitigate the effects > of code bloat? Why not do away with the code bloat instead? > This is Plan 9's approach. > My program is as memory efficient as possible, yours is big, *theirs* has "code bloat?" :) -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 17:22:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00837 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:22:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA00833 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006212122.RAA00833@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 17:22:27 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compaq LTE 5250 laptop instant reboot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You might try adding console=0 to your plan9.ini file, which will cause both the boot loader and the kernel to write everything that would go to the console to the serial port (DOS's COM1, 9600 baud) as well. Something interesting might be printed just before reboot. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 18:44:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA00897 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:44:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from goliat.eik.bme.hu (postfix@goliat.eik.bme.hu [152.66.0.200]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA00893 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 18:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix, from userid 455) id 4E0DBD42B; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:43:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359909F66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:43:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:43:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: FODEMESI Gergely X-Sender: fgergo@goliat To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compaq LTE 5250 laptop instant reboot In-Reply-To: <200006212122.RAA00833@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu same behaviour. loader loads the kernel, writes out: entry: 80100020 now reboot, before writing cpu0: XXXMhz gergo From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 22:45:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04561 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:45:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from brainstorm.rutgers.edu (brainstorm.rutgers.edu [128.6.15.24]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04557 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18490 invoked by uid 31849); 22 Jun 2000 02:43:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:43:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Phillip Stanley-Marbell X-Sender: narteh@brainstorm.rutgers.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Some missing apps/man pages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Were the following apps and their man pages purposefully left out (they are referenced in other man pages) ?: /sys/man/1/distill /sys/man/8/pip Also: /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.il566 and /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.tcp567 are missing. They are referenced from the start.xxx document. - pip From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 22:54:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA04859 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:54:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from brainstorm.rutgers.edu (brainstorm.rutgers.edu [128.6.15.24]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA04854 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18496 invoked by uid 31849); 22 Jun 2000 02:53:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Phillip Stanley-Marbell X-Sender: narteh@brainstorm.rutgers.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] CD Burning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu CD burning went very smoothly on a CDD 3610 CDR/RW drive. I had previously had trouble with the same drive and cheapo-type blank CD's under OpenBSD and Linux, but same blanks roasted well under Plan 9. Oh, and the process was sooo much simpler ! - pip From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 21 23:13:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05355 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:13:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from brainstorm.rutgers.edu (brainstorm.rutgers.edu [128.6.15.24]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA05351 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18520 invoked by uid 31849); 22 Jun 2000 03:12:09 -0000 Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:12:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Phillip Stanley-Marbell X-Sender: narteh@brainstorm.rutgers.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] upas, cron and CPU servers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I successfully set up a CPU server, though I still need to tweak some configs. Here are some notes and questions: (1) When you first boot up a CPU server after recompiling the cpu server kernel, and are prompted for hostdomain, DON'T just hit !!! (2) /sys/cron/upas -- owned by 'sys' in default config, should be owned by upas ?? (3) /sys/log/cron is absent -- auth/cron tries to append to it and starts gavoreeting bloody murder. (4) start.xxx says to do for (i in '#m' '#i' '#S' '#t') bind -a $i /dev >/dev/null >[2]/dev/null saying "... if you leave out '#m', rio will not start...", but rio won't start anyway, since cpurc has no calls to aux/mouse and aux/vga. Right ? Anyway, adding aux/mouse and aux/vga -l your.vga.size seems to do it. - pip From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 01:57:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA07518 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:57:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA07514 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuroshima ([135.255.8.22]) by plan9; Thu Jun 22 01:57:42 EDT 2000 Message-ID: <004701bfdc0e$b7d05580$0119fea9@cs.belllabs.com> From: "rob pike" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Some missing apps/man pages Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 01:57:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Were the following apps and their man pages purposefully left out > (they are referenced in other man pages) ?: > > /sys/man/1/distill > /sys/man/8/pip Yes. They are not included in the distribution for various uninteresting reasons but they are in the indices because we shipped the indices from the main tree. Apologies for the confusion. > Also: > /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.il566 > and > /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.tcp567 > > are missing. They are referenced from the start.xxx document. That looks like a glitch. I'll let someone not at USENIX look into them. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 04:44:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA09217 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:44:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA09212 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 04:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.83]) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08266 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:53:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Received: (from jm@localhost) by colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10688 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:52:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:52:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200006220852.KAA10688@colombie.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] CDrom question Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu When I boot a NEC Versa Note under Plan 9, the CDrom reader is detected as: dev B0 config 85C0 capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0407 dma 00000004 rwm 0 I start 9660srv and try to mount the cdrom: term% 9660srv -v 9660srv 81: serving /srv/9660 term% mount /srv/9660 /n/cdrom /dev/sdC1/data session...OK attach(fid=159,uname="jm",aname="/dev/sdC1/data",auth="")...alloc "/dev/sdC1/data", dev=3...xread 3,16...decref=0, "/dev/sdC1/data", dev=3...purgebuf...I/O read error mount: mount /n/cdrom: I/O read error I can copy the cdrom, but when I try to mount the file, 9660srv reports an unknown format: in a way, the copy failed. term% cat /dev/sdC1/data > foobar (wait half an hour) term% cmp foobar /dev/sdC1/data foobar /dev/sdC1/data differ: char 32769 Copying only the beginning of the cdrom, dd reports partially transfered blocks term% dd < /dev/sdC1/data > foobar -count 1024 878+146 records in 878+146 records out (in a consistent way) term% cmp <{dd < /dev/sdC1/data -count 1024} foobar 878+146 records in 878+146 records out term% Enabling or disabling dma via /dev/sdC1/ctl doesn't change anything. As far as I know, the reader works ok under FreeBSD, where it is reported as using PIO4. Any idea? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 05:04:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09542 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:04:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09537 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1352gR-000034-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:49:59 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:41:54 GMT From: Norvell Spearman Message-ID: <39517B42.329F5500@nts-online.net> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] trouble with boot floppy Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I downloaded the latest 9disk.9fd for my system AMD K6 233MHz 128 MB RAM IDE HDD Intel 430TX MainBoard ATI Mach64 PCI Video Card and did a `cat 9disk.9fd > /dev/fd0' under Linux. When I power off then back on, all I get from the floppy is the `Plan 9 from Bell Labs,' the floppy light goes off after a few seconds, and then nothing. I can hit and then I get `Panic: Ctrl+Alt+Del' but nothing else. Turning on debug in the plan9.ini file shows nothing, either. I've never used Plan 9 before, so I have no idea what's gone wrong or why. Thanks for any help with this. . . ---Norvell Spearman From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 05:11:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09740 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09735 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1352gN-00002Y-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:49:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:40:14 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8ir13g$2f3$14@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <8iqnet$15k0$1@pandora.alkar.net>, <200006211709.NAA16852@akbar.nevex.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 networking trouble. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: >> And to help the beginner, is there any way to restart only >> terminal server and log on as another user, without rebooting the >> complete system ? > no, you must reboot the terminal to login as a different user > the terminal's username (and their password) is prompted for by boot(8) > and then used to connect to the fileserver. Sounds sad at all. So if I want to keep file server running and terminal server restarted independently, I must place them on separate physical hosts ? :< -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 05:11:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09794 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09754 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1352gN-00002e-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:49:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:40:35 GMT From: Chris Locke Message-ID: <961616505.17735.1.nnrp-09.c2de4822@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] Acme for all Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The recent release of Inferno includes a limbo version of Plan 9 Acme. So now you can use your favourite development environment on a whole host of different OS's - for FREE! Button-3 kicks arse compared to 'now, was it CTL-F, F3 or F5 to search? - oh bugger that seems to be "discard and exit" in this editor!' ... Time to go buy a 3-button mouse for my windows PC. Chris. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 05:12:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09822 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:12:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1352gO-00002k-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:49:56 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:40:55 GMT From: Oleg Krivosheev Message-ID: Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory References: <200006211516.LAA21321@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com writes: > kriol@wally.fnal.gov writes: > > first being the ability to share code between the application > > > > hate to see gnome ported and get 20meg staticaly linked > > simple CD player > > So basically you want shared libraries to mitigate the effects > of code bloat? Why not do away with the code bloat instead? > This is Plan 9's approach. huh !?! i thought statically linking each and every application in the system IS code bloat > In the case that there is some large-ish body of code that > needs to be shared between applications, the Plan 9 way > is to make that body of code into a file server which the > applications can talk to (as already suggested on this list > by Tom Duff). and each and every communication will go through system call and user/kernel transition? doesn't sound good > In the worst case, you might need a small > stub library to put a procedure-call interface on top of > the file server interface, but it certainly doesn't have to be > as big as libX11.a! nice thing about SO that they have exacly the same interface as static stuff - just function call... > Acme is an example of this approach; acme handles all the > gory details of text windows, so that programs like the > acme mail reader don't have to. i have to look inside acme more... > > It might be interesting to take the Inferno Tk implementation > and build it into a Plan 9 fileserver... ok, what about another reason to have SO - patch libraries on the fly? What do you do when you discover serios bug in libc/libm/whatever? with Debian i just do "apt-get install libc6" and voila - all bugs are fixed in no time (well, almost ;)) while 1/2 gig installation is intact. And it would be probably 1gig installation for plan9 with all stuff linked statically... any hews/ideas here? i'm quite curious... thank you OK  From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 05:12:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09823 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:12:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09769 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1352gP-00002q-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:49:57 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:41:15 GMT From: Matt Message-ID: <39515bd2@news.proweb.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] Python for Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm currently considering a Plan9 installation. I'm also just starting to learn Python for fun. Anyone know if I'll be able to combine these two pastimes ;-) Matt From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 05:12:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09839 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:12:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09777 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1352gQ-00002x-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:49:58 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:41:38 GMT From: Norvell Spearman Message-ID: <39516205.24A46A69@nts-online.net> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] trouble with install floppy. . . Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I downloaded the latest 9disk.9fd for my system AMD K6 233MHz 128 MB RAM IDE HDD Intel 430TX MainBoard ATI Mach64 PCI Video Card and did a `cat 9disk.9fd > /dev/fd0' under Linux. When I power off then back on, all I get from the floppy is the `Plan 9 from Bell Labs,' the floppy light goes off after a few seconds, and then nothing. I can hit and then I get `Panic: Ctrl+Alt+Del' but nothing else. Turning on debug in the plan9.ini file shows nothing, either. I've never used Plan 9 before, so I have no idea what's gone wrong or why. Thanks for any help with this. . . ---Norvell Spearman From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 05:12:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09858 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:12:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09789 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1352gT-00003K-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:50:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:45:45 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <39519939.D7EB5345@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <10006200912.ZM59069@marvin> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Tom Duff wrote: > Shared libraries are the work of the devil, > the one true sign that the apocalypse is > at hand. Seriously, they're good for two > things, first for plug-in features, which > in plan 9 are often better handled by 9P > servers (obviously not always, for example > if there's an otherwise unachievable latency > or throughput requirement), and second for > giving third parties permission to break your > code after you've shipped it. I am stunned > and amazed that anybody that pays salary to > customer service reps would ever consider > using shared libraries. The two usual selling points are that installed applications benefit from bug fixes in the shared libraries (e.g. the standard C runtime library), and that it saves a *lot* of disk space, especially when big libraries are involved, as in X11. There are a lot of things wrong with shared libraries (or sometimes just with particular implementations); for one thing they make it fairly easy to break security; suppose a privileged process checks that you are allowed to perform some action then invokes a usually innocuous library function that you have prearranged in your substitute shared library (easy to do in Plan 9 where you own your name space) to perform some other action that you would not normally have been permitted to do. I've seen this in set-UID root UNIX programs (just found another yesterday) on systems such as Solaris where you can affect the runtime library directory search order (LD_*_PATH); it is easy to make such a program fire up a /bin/sh with inherited UID 0, which allows you to do anything at all! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 08:46:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12806 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:46:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA12800 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nslocum.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.8.38]) by dirty; Thu Jun 22 08:44:17 EDT 2000 Received: from cc1011099a (dhcp9158.cs.bell-labs.com [135.104.9.158]) by nslocum.cs.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA5057991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001bfdc48$43bed880$9e096887@union1.nj.home.com> From: "Howard Trickey" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: , <10006200912.ZM59069@marvin> <39519939.D7EB5345@null.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:49:11 -0400 Organization: Lucent Technologies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Shared libraries are the work of the devil, > the one true sign that the apocalypse is > at hand. Actually, the devil may have seen the error of his ways, too late. The latest release of the Microsoft Developer Network subscription (an ever-upgraded set of documentation and articles for people developing Windows apps, distributed by Microsoft itself), there is an article on what they call "DLL hell". It debunks most of the supposed advantages of dlls and talks about all the problems they have caused. They have a 2-part "solution": 1) Windows 2000 will silently undo any overwrites of the Microsoft dlls. 2) They recommend putting each dll needed by an app in a private directory for that app *only*. Oh boy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 09:08:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13547 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:08:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from er7.rutgers.edu (52508@er7.rutgers.edu [165.230.180.135]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13543 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from anothy@localhost) by er7.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA00121 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:08:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Sorace Message-Id: <200006221308.JAA00121@er7.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu //> So basically you want shared libraries to mitigate the effects //> of code bloat? Why not do away with the code bloat instead? //> This is Plan 9's approach. // //huh !?! // //i thought statically linking each and every application in the system //IS code bloat maybe that's what _you_ mean when you talk about code bloat, but it's certainly not the only thing that makes code get needlesly bigger. i think generally people (myself, certainly) are refering to the writing of the code itself, asside from how it's organized or built. take a look at bash, for example. i don't care how you link it; that's still bloated. shared libraries won't solve problems of bad programing. : anothy; From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 09:19:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13854 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:19:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from small-gods.mit.edu (SMALL-GODS.MIT.EDU [18.177.0.248]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13850 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ghudson@localhost) by small-gods.mit.edu (8.9.3) id JAA25125; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006221319.JAA25125@small-gods.mit.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:49:11 EDT." <001001bfdc48$43bed880$9e096887@union1.nj.home.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:19:20 -0400 From: Greg Hudson Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > there is an article on what they call "DLL hell". It debunks most > of the supposed advantages of dlls and talks about all the problems > they have caused. By coincidence, I've read this article. The primary problems discussed in the article stem from the fact that Windows applications often ship with replacement DLLs for system libraries. This concept is totally foreign to most Unix developers (even commercial Unix developers, in my experience). I have to wonder how much of the anti-shared-library sentiment on this list comes from Windows experience. Unix-based systems have been using shared libraries with reasonable success for ages. I'm sure that it's more elegant if you can just use IPC or write small code, but Plan 9 accomplished that goal at the expense of backward compatibility with its predecessor, something a successful operating system can probably never do. (Incidentally, the person who thought you could trivially get a root shell on Solaris using LD_LIBRARY_PATH should do his homework better. The run-time loader unsets the LD_* variables for setuid programs on all Unix systems supporting shared libraries; it's just too obvious of a security hole to have been left open.) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 09:28:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14140 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14135 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21819 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:28:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006221328.JAA21819@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] threadrendezvous..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I see an error/warning message for the code given below about lines with threadrendezvous() call.. file.c: 17: function args not checked: threadrendezvous file.c: 25: function args not checked: threadrendezvous The values are exchanged correctly. I am missing the some thing on the call. Also, what is the basic difference between proccreate() and threadccreate() functionality? Any pointers? - ishwar ----- /* Thread rendevous using threadrendezvous().. */ #include #include #include #define STKSIZE (2*2048) ulong rtag = 0x123456; void fproc(void *arg) { ulong myval = 0xabc; srand(time(0)); sleep((rand() % 3) * 1000); myval = threadrendezvous(rtag, myval); threadprint(1, "[frpoc] after rendezvous myval: %x\n", myval); } void sproc(void *arg) { ulong myval = 0xdef; myval = threadrendezvous(rtag, myval); threadprint(1, "[sproc] after rendezvous myval: %x\n", myval); } void threadmain(int argc, char *argv[]) { procccreate(fproc, nil, STKSIZE); proccreate(sproc, nil, STKSIZE); sleep(4000); threadprint(1, "all done.\n"); } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 10:07:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15014 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:07:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15010 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21875 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:06:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:06:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006221406.KAA21875@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] alt..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu One more problem. I am trying to translate the `alef' alarmproc example (from Vol2. Alef User's Guide -- 2nd Ed). The code is given below. 1. When `a[1]' entry is {nil, nil, CHANEND} -- only one message is recevied on a[0].c main: chan: 510c8 alrmproc: request: 2, 510c8 main: done (the first and the third one are lost..) 2. When a[1] is made {nil, nil, CHANNOBLK} --- program does suicide trap.. main: chan: 510c8 wow!8.out 2331: suicide: ... Any pointers on nature of `alt' will be appreciated. - ishwar ---- /* Alarm queue scenario, using synchronous and asynchronous * channels.. */ #include #include #include #define STKSIZE (2*2048) typedef struct alinfo { int timer; Channel *mine; } alinfo; void alrmproc(void *arg) { alinfo *pval; Alt a[] = { /* c v op */ {nil, &pval, CHANRCV}, {nil, nil, CHANEND}, }; a[0].c = arg; for(;;) { switch(alt(a)) { case 0: pval = recvp(a[0].c); threadprint(1, "alrmproc: request: %d, %x\n", pval->timer, pval->mine); break; default: threadprint(2, "wow!"); } } } void threadmain(int argc, char *argv[]) { alinfo out; Channel *cout; int i; cout = chancreate(sizeof(alinfo *), 0); threadprint(1, "main: chan: %x\n", cout); proccreate(alrmproc, (void *)cout, STKSIZE); out.mine = cout; for(i = 0; i< 3; i++) { out.timer = i+ 1; sendp(cout, &out); } sleep(4000); threadprint(1, "main: done\n"); } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 10:08:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15083 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:08:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA15075 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006221408.KAA15075@cse.psu.edu> From: Sape Mullender Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:06:32 -0400 To: ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] threadrendezvous..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu threadrendezvous has moved a couple a times between the public interface and the internal implementation of the thread library. I couldn't see any need for it in threaded applications. I think it is best removed from the man page. Sape From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 10:19:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA15570 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:19:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15564 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1357nG-0001eg-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:17:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:09:34 GMT From: Ruslan Shevchenko Message-ID: <39521BC5.6035D0CC@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Organization: Global Ukraine free NNTP site Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: Ruslan@shevchenko.kiev.ua Subject: [9fans] Troubles with DE500A Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu 1. Are anybody succesfull install plan9 with DE500A ? (Digital Fast Ether WORKS PCI 10/100) which based on 2114x ? I always receive message "Ethernet not found" after selecting "internet" in cofigarch regardless of what I type in "ether0=" line. i.e. efffect from: "ether0=type=21114x" and "ether0=QQQ" is the same Are exists way to debug process of ethernet finding ? debug=1 in plan9.ini does not tell nothing about ether. 2. Are *all* network drivers are situated in 9disk.gz i. e. if I change card, I must reget boot disk or I need only change plan9.ini ? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 10:47:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16316 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:47:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA16312 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21945 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:47:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:47:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006221447.KAA21945@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] segattach()..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu What is the correct way to use segattach() call. The code given below fails.. - ishwar ------ /* Tset of segattach call.. */ #include #include void main(void) { ulong rtag = 0x123456; if (segattach(SG_RONLY, "shared", (void *)&rtag, (ulong) sizeof(rtag)) < 0) print("segattach failed..\n"); print("main: done\n"); } From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 10:52:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA16592 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:52:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA16587 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:52:19 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000622142513.244.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Thu Jun 22 23:25:12 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] Python for Plan9 Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: <39515bd2@news.proweb.co.uk> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans. >I'm currently considering a Plan9 installation. >I'm also just starting to learn Python for fun. >Anyone know if I'll be able to combine these two pastimes ;-) >Matt look ftp://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/import/ Kenji Arisawa Aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 11:11:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17201 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA17197 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006221511.LAA17197@cse.psu.edu> From: Sape Mullender Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:08:38 -0400 To: ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] alt..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I tried that code. It doesn't crash. Neither is it supposed to. What is strange in the construction switch(alt(a)) { case 0: pval = recvp(a[0].c); threadprint(1, "alrmproc: request: %d, %x\n", pval->timer, pval->mine); break; default: threadprint(2, "wow!"); } is that you receive from a[0].c twice, ignoring the first value you receive. When alt() returns (zero in the example above) it will have put the received value in the location pointed to by a[0].v (pval, in your case). You probably don't want a recvp call inside the switch on alt(). Sape From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 11:41:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18043 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:41:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18036 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1358sH-0002WM-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:26:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:18:21 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000622142513.244.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <39515bd2@news.proweb.co.uk> Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] Python for Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello 9fans. >I'm currently considering a Plan9 installation. >I'm also just starting to learn Python for fun. >Anyone know if I'll be able to combine these two pastimes ;-) >Matt look ftp://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/import/ Kenji Arisawa Aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 11:48:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18372 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:48:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18367 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13597O-0002gM-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:42:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:41:50 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8itbkm$2jpu$3@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r References: <39521BC5.6035D0CC@Shevchenko.Kiev.UA> Subject: [9fans] Re: Troubles with DE500A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id LAA18369 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Ruslan Shevchenko wrote: > 1. Are anybody succesfull install plan9 with DE500A ? > (Digital Fast Ether WORKS PCI 10/100) which based > on 2114x ? > I always receive message "Ethernet not found" after selecting > "internet" in cofigarch regardless of what I type > in "ether0=" line. > i.e. efffect from: > "ether0=type=21114x" > and > "ether0=QQQ" > is the same Try to remove excessive '1' in card type. It seems you need '11' instead of '111'. > Are exists way to debug process of ethernet finding ? > debug=1 in plan9.ini does not tell nothing about ether. > 2. Are *all* network drivers are situated in 9disk.gz > i. e. if I change card, I must reget boot disk or > I need only change plan9.ini ? The latter. When I submitted config for my bootdisk, I did not choose net card at all. I turned necessary net driver on only by editing plan9.ini manually. -- mwg@alkar.net, 340044, 7442333, 7786458 - ÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ íÕÔÅÌØ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 11:56:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA18764 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:56:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18760 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006221556.LAA18760@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:56:49 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Troubles with DE500A MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu All the card drivers are in the boot kernel; changing plan9.ini is sufficient. It would be interesting to know what "/bin/pci" prints when you run it after having booted (sans network). Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 12:02:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19144 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:02:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19136 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006221602.MAA19136@cse.psu.edu> From: Sape Mullender Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:02:02 -0400 To: ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] alt..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu You were right, there IS a bug associated with CAHNNOBLK. In line 86 of /sys/src/libthread/channel.c, replace `continue' with `break'. Sorry about that. Sape From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 12:05:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19309 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19304 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006221605.MAA19304@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:05:18 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Some missing apps/man pages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Regarding authsrv.* % cat authsrv.il566 #!/bin/rc /bin/auth/auth.srv -d $3 % cat authsrv.tcp567 #!/bin/rc /bin/auth/auth.srv -d $3 % They'll be in the next update. Sorry about that. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 12:24:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19980 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:24:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19975 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1359c0-0003Bw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:13:52 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:00:13 GMT From: Brian Dozier Message-ID: <_oq45.4588$bc4.326234@news1.primary.net> Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net Subject: [9fans] Better FAQ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm looking to see if any Plan 9 enthusiasts have put together a better install FAQ than is available at the official site... I'm having a dang hard time finding a machine with supported hardware (I'm beginning to think it's time to build another computer, just to get the hardware that is supported). I have one that is close, the sticking point is the LS-120 drive is the only floppy, and while I can get the right path to tell it where to boot from, I don't know what to tell it when the install asks for where to get root... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 13:04:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20947 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:04:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20941 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135AF5-00041R-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:54:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 16:50:33 GMT From: Damien Raphael Sullivan Message-ID: <8iteic$17v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Organization: Murray's Mud Minions References: <200006171848.OAA23776@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I must admit I find the fissiparous nature of the Open Source/FSF >community a little dispiriting. We're just trying to make stuff >available. Please accept it in the spirit in which it's offered. One could argue that making stuff available under fissiparous licenses doesn't help. People know what the GPL, LGPL, and BSD licenses mean, and that software under those licenses is free. They may argue over whether the GPL is too restrictive or BSD too lax, but they know where the software stands, and can work or not as they choose. When people see yet another license fresh from the corporate lawyers, they worry over what's contained in the legalese. Which people don't like reading and decoding. And they assume there must be some non-free component to the license, else why not use one of the existing licenses? It's about branding, really. Hmm. I wonder if one could have a license which was the GPL or BSD with a modification clause, such as "You may not use this code if you have sued Lucent over IP issues, notwithstanding any other clause of this license." -xx- Damien X-) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 13:50:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA22573 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:50:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from jaco.fgleason.com (jaco.fgleason.com [207.115.75.69]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA22564 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (frankg@localhost) by jaco.fgleason.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA06172 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 10:03:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Gleason To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Python for Plan9 In-Reply-To: <39515bd2@news.proweb.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Porting is always a good way to learn. Frank On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Matt wrote: > I'm currently considering a Plan9 installation. > > I'm also just starting to learn Python for fun. > > Anyone know if I'll be able to combine these two pastimes ;-) > > Matt > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 14:05:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23069 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westlake.tkg.com (westlake.tkg.com [198.3.130.68]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23063 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jumper.tkg.com (root@jumper.tkg.com [198.3.130.49]) by westlake.tkg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA35260 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:05:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (daveb@localhost) by jumper.tkg.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id NAA13882 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:08:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: jumper.tkg.com: daveb owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 13:08:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Burton Reply-To: daveb@tkg.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution In-Reply-To: <8iteic$17v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Damien Raphael Sullivan wrote: | >I must admit I find the fissiparous nature of the Open Source/FSF | >community a little dispiriting. We're just trying to make stuff | >available. Please accept it in the spirit in which it's offered. | | One could argue that making stuff available under fissiparous licenses doesn't | help. People know what the GPL, LGPL, and BSD licenses mean, and that | software under those licenses is free. They may argue over whether the GPL is | too restrictive or BSD too lax, but they know where the software stands, and | can work or not as they choose. | | When people see yet another license fresh from the corporate lawyers, they | worry over what's contained in the legalese. Which people don't like reading | and decoding. And they assume there must be some non-free component to the | license, else why not use one of the existing licenses? Good grief! Can this be moved off this list? I cannot believe that so many people are bitching about the license. Lucent *GAVE* the sources away. All you have to do is follow some pretty basic, common-sense rules to enjoy it. Or go away and play with your other licensed software and be happy elsewhere. If anyone solves world hunger, someone will complain because the food was not cooked just the way they like it. -- Dave From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 14:47:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24338 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:47:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24332 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006221847.OAA24332@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:46:53 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] segattach()..? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ulong rtag = 0x123456; if (segattach(SG_RONLY, "shared", (void *)&rtag, (ulong) sizeof(rtag)) < 0) print("segattach failed..\n"); rtag needs to be a valid unmapped address, or nil (in which case the system chooses for you). the size element must be a multiple of the page size. segattach returns the pointer to the base of the newly allocated segment. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 14:52:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA24597 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:52:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA24590 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135C0B-0005Ky-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:46:59 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:36:06 GMT From: daveb@tkg.com (Dave Burton) Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <8iteic$17v@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Reply-To: daveb@tkg.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Damien Raphael Sullivan wrote: | >I must admit I find the fissiparous nature of the Open Source/FSF | >community a little dispiriting. We're just trying to make stuff | >available. Please accept it in the spirit in which it's offered. | | One could argue that making stuff available under fissiparous licenses doesn't | help. People know what the GPL, LGPL, and BSD licenses mean, and that | software under those licenses is free. They may argue over whether the GPL is | too restrictive or BSD too lax, but they know where the software stands, and | can work or not as they choose. | | When people see yet another license fresh from the corporate lawyers, they | worry over what's contained in the legalese. Which people don't like reading | and decoding. And they assume there must be some non-free component to the | license, else why not use one of the existing licenses? Good grief! Can this be moved off this list? I cannot believe that so many people are bitching about the license. Lucent *GAVE* the sources away. All you have to do is follow some pretty basic, common-sense rules to enjoy it. Or go away and play with your other licensed software and be happy elsewhere. If anyone solves world hunger, someone will complain because the food was not cooked just the way they like it. -- Dave From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 15:23:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25840 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25831 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22252 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:22:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006221922.PAA22252@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] authsrv.il566 and authsrv.567? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In directory /rc/bin/service.auth, the only entries are il565 and tcp22 and no files authsrv.il566 and authsrv.tcp567 as mentioned in getting started document. Distrbution is June, 17 version. - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 15:37:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA26373 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:37:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26369 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22269 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:36:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006221936.PAA22269@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] file server..? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I do not have SCSI devices in my machine. Is it possible to IDE/ATPI drive to setup a file server? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 19:09:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01010 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:09:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from utstat.toronto.edu (utstat.toronto.edu [128.100.73.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA01006 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006222309.TAA01006@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:09:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Glinos" In-Reply-To: from "Dave Burton" at Jun 22, 2000 06:36:06 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu After what I've learned at USENIX as to how the license and the release was done, I consider the community very luck. Repay these kind folks by using the system and contributing in bug reports or new applications. -- ================= The hardest thing to see | Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics is the way things REALLY are. | tg@utstat.toronto.edu From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 22 23:39:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA05062 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:39:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from fywss.com (cr1009567-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.171.41]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA05058 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spitfire.fywss.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fywss.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31604 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:39:21 -0400 Message-Id: <200006230339.XAA31604@fywss.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve@fywss.com (Steve Kotsopoulos) Subject: [9fans] mach64 vga hell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_-6401392240" Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:39:21 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_-6401392240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've been trying to bootup the system on a pc at home, but the monitor goes blank after the vga gets setup. I've tried resolutions from 640x480x8 to 1024x768x16, with the monitor set to vga, svga and multisync65 The same monitor and card combination runs fine at 1024x768x16 under win98. Here's my vgainfo.txt and plan9.ini; my boot floppy is from June 17. --==_Exmh_-6401392240 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="plan9.ini"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: plan9.ini Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="plan9.ini" *nomp=1 distname=plan9 partition=new scsi0=type=aha1542 ether0=type=elnk3 monitor=vga vgasize=640x480x8 mouseport=0 audio0=type=sb16 bootargs=local!#f0/fd0disk bootfile=fd0!dos!9pcflop.gz installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down/compressed/961331966.fgt3xcx35zgawk2yp2tin8b2wead5kkb --==_Exmh_-6401392240 Content-Type: text/plain; name="vgainfo.txt"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: vgainfo.txt Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vgainfo.txt" main->snarf vga->snarf mach64xx->snarf vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0E 0F 00 00 07 80 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 2097152 vga apz 16777216 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC00DC=3DMACH64CTPCIU mach64xx->dump mach64xx pci 2e390 regtable ioregs io 2ec portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F005F mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 00010055 mach64xx VTotalDisp 018F01BF mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 000E019C mach64xx VlineCrntVline 00E403FF mach64xx OffPitch 0A000000 mach64xx IntCntl 00000074 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 020B0200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 00000000 mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04100400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00000000 mach64xx BusCntl 600000F9 mach64xx MemCntl 00000402 mach64xx ExtMemCntl 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00FF0040 mach64xx DacRegs 070060F0 mach64xx DacCntl 00000108 mach64xx GenTestCntl 00003802 mach64xx ConfigCntl 09004354 mach64xx ConfigChipId 00000009 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00000000 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 004F005F mach64xx DspOnOff 004F005F mach64xx DpBkgdClr 004F005F mach64xx DpChainMsk 004F005F mach64xx DpFrgdClr 004F005F mach64xx DpMix 004F005F mach64xx DpPixWidth 004F005F mach64xx DpSrc 004F005F mach64xx DpWriteMsk 004F005F mach64xx LcdIndex 004F005F mach64xx LcdData 004F005F mach64xx PLL 00 60 2D 14 9D 0B FA 9D - B2 81 81 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 2D 14 9D 0B FA 9D - B2 81 81 00 00 00 00 00 mach64xx VCLK0 24977270 mach64xx VCLK1 28318178 mach64xx VCLK2 10261362 mach64xx VCLK3 10261362 rom table offset EE freq table offset 5AFA memclk 56500000 ref_freq 14320000 ref_divider 45 min_freq 10190000 max_freq 162900000 pd 2 value 0 (|2) post =3D 4 mach64xx pixel clock =3D 24980000 vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init mach64xx->init dbdumpmode type=3Dvga, size=3D640x480x8 frequency=3D25175000 x=3D640 (0x280), y=3D480 (0x1E0), z=3D8 (0x8) ht=3D800 (0x320), shb=3D664 (0x298), ehb=3D760 (0x2F8) shs=3D664 (0x298), ehs=3D760 (0x2F8) vt=3D525 (0x20D), vrs=3D491 (0x1EB), vre=3D493 (0x1ED) hsync=3D0, vsync=3D0, interlace=3D0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 0A vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 50 601EB1EC A3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 50 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 41 FF 0F 00 00 vga clock[0] f 25175000 vga clock[0] d i m 0 0 - 45 vga clock[0] n p q r 158 4 - 0 0 vga vm a b 16777216 0 vga vmz 2097152 vga apz 16777216 vga linear 1 vga->attr: 0xC00DC=3DMACH64CTPCIU mach64xx->dump mach64xx flag Ulinear|Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf mach64xx pci 2e390 regtable ioregs io 2ec portio mach64xx ccru 300 mach64xx HTotalDisp 004F0063 mach64xx HSyncStrtWid 000C0052 mach64xx VTotalDisp 01DF020C mach64xx VSyncStrtWid 000201EA mach64xx VlineCrntVline 00E403FF mach64xx OffPitch 14000000 mach64xx IntCntl 00000000 mach64xx CrtcGenCntl 030B0200 mach64xx OvrClr 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidLR 00000000 mach64xx OvrWidTB 00000000 mach64xx CurClr0 00000000 mach64xx CurClr1 00000000 mach64xx CurOffset 00000000 mach64xx CurHVposn 00000000 mach64xx CurHVoff 00000000 mach64xx ScratchReg0 04100400 mach64xx ScratchReg1 00000000 mach64xx ClockCntl 00000002 mach64xx BusCntl 600000F9 mach64xx MemCntl 00000402 mach64xx ExtMemCntl 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaWpSel 00010000 mach64xx MemVgaRpSel 00FF0040 mach64xx DacRegs 070060F0 mach64xx DacCntl 00000108 mach64xx GenTestCntl 00003802 mach64xx ConfigCntl 00000000 mach64xx ConfigChipId 00000009 mach64xx ConfigStat0 00000000 mach64xx ConfigStat1 00000000 mach64xx DspConfig 004F005F mach64xx DspOnOff 004F005F mach64xx DpBkgdClr 004F005F mach64xx DpChainMsk 004F005F mach64xx DpFrgdClr 004F005F mach64xx DpMix 004F005F mach64xx DpPixWidth 00020202 mach64xx DpSrc 004F005F mach64xx DpWriteMsk 004F005F mach64xx LcdIndex 004F005F mach64xx LcdData 004F005F mach64xx PLL 00 60 2D 14 9D 0B EA 9D - B2 9E 81 00 00 00 00 00 00 60 2D 14 9D 0B FA 9D - B2 81 81 00 00 00 00 00 mach64xx VCLK0 24977270 mach64xx VCLK1 28318178 mach64xx VCLK2 25136360 mach64xx VCLK3 10261362 rom table offset EE freq table offset 5AFA memclk 56500000 ref_freq 14320000 ref_divider 45 min_freq 10190000 max_freq 162900000 pd 2 value 0 (|2) post =3D 4 mach64xx pixel clock =3D 24980000 main->exits --==_Exmh_-6401392240-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 00:08:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05606 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:08:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ece.rutgers.edu (ece.rutgers.edu [128.6.46.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA05602 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: narteh@ece.rutgers.edu Received: (qmail 23711 invoked by uid 31849); 23 Jun 2000 04:08:01 -0000 Date: 23 Jun 2000 04:08:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000623040801.23710.qmail@ece.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] CPU server auth Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm having a bit of trouble connecting to my cpu server. I've been through the whole setup, and installed a user 'pip' in the auth database on the cpu server. Also, I added a line like hostid=pip uid=pip to the cpuservers /lib/ndb/auth. If I try to cpu to the cpuserver (banana): namaste% cpu -h banana cpu: can't authenticate: banana: writing /dev/authenticator: bad arg in system call I looked at the man pages for authfs(4), auth(2) and a few other which seemed to be relevant, but ... Also looked into /sys/src/cmd/authfs.c. Anyway, anyone care to save me some time and clarify whats going on ? thanks ;) - pip From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 00:20:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA05873 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:20:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (mta@smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA05868 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wormhole ([204.210.37.45]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id com for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:20:19 -0700 Message-ID: <00ad01bfdcca$27a6a380$2d25d2cc@wormhole.san.rr.com> From: "Eric" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] file server..? Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:18:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu -----Original Message----- From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2000 12:51 PM Subject: [9fans] file server..? >I do not have SCSI devices in my machine. Is it possible to IDE/ATPI >drive to setup a file server? >- ishwar currently no. I have a release II plan9 fs running on IDE disks and will likely plug in my hack into the release III fs code. it allows striping across both primary and secondary IDE controllers. it doesn't support DMA and faster PIO modes, since you need to know about what sort of IDE controller you have (I have a piix3 which is pretty dated by now). It *does* work though :) actually i've typed it all in and it initializes but crashes on startup. i just haven't had a chance to figure out what's going on yet. if you'd like to work on it i can send you a diff. Eric Dorman edorman@san.rr.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 01:21:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA06616 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mailgw.claircom.com (mailgw.claircom.com [199.5.241.51]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA06612 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 01:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spite.eng.claircom.com([155.172.128.74]) (911 bytes) by mailgw.claircom.com via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:20:59 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #7 built 1998-Sep-29) Received: from localhost by spite.eng.claircom.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #6) id m135Ltj-00000wC; Thu, 22 Jun 100 22:20 PDT Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 22:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Gregg Siegfried X-Sender: grs@spite.eng.claircom.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9 Tshirts Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu So, I missed wednesday's USENIX sessions flying back from the UK, and saw a number of nice black tshirts with the bunny on them today in the sessions. How does one get one of those? Presumably they came out at the BOF? I hope someone will post a summary of the BOF as well. Thanks, Gregg Siegfried grs@claircom.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 02:29:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07541 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:29:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk (root@whitecrow.demon.co.uk [194.222.126.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07537 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk (steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whitecrow.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA17842 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:47:40 +0100 Message-Id: <200006222247.XAA17842@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:19:20 EDT." <200006221319.JAA25125@small-gods.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:47:40 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greg Hudson wrote: > By coincidence, I've read this article. The primary problems > discussed in the article stem from the fact that Windows applications > often ship with replacement DLLs for system libraries. ...in which case, they deserve what they get. > I have to wonder how much of the anti-shared-library sentiment on this > list comes from Windows experience. Probably not a lot, at a guess. It comes down to the goals of libraries, shared libraries, and plan 9. > Unix-based systems have been > using shared libraries with reasonable success for ages. Lots of things have been done with reasonable success on Unix for ages; this does not necessarily mean they've been done in the best way, or even a good way. > I'm sure > that it's more elegant if you can just use IPC or write small code, > but Plan 9 accomplished that goal at the expense of backward > compatibility with its predecessor, something a successful operating > system can probably never do. Well, here we come right back to goals again. Libraries are about sharing functionality. Not code, and not services, but functionality. For most of its life, Unix has been concerned with finding a solution that fixes the current problem without causing others elsewhere, and without requiring too much effort. The majority of developers have been user-level programmers, and their solutions have been user-level ones. Unix's stream-based functionality encourages solutions using independent processes that interact through files. All this lead to common libraries, and the myriad of solutions lead to big programs, hence shared libraries. The ability to "upgrade" a lot of programs at once was a big win for commercial vendors too. Plan 9 takes a different approach. For starters, it's a development system, and that means a problem is solved at the "best" place for it, whether that means changing an application, a system call, a protocol, a library or a language. Backwards compatibility with Unix is demonstrably not an issue. Generally speaking, this means that there has usually been an alternative approach to including the same functionality in many programs. It also means that the other big point of shared libraries - multiple program fixing - isn't such an issue, because complete system rebuilds are much less of a big deal to the developers than to the average user of a commercial Unix system. And, of course, the developers had limited time and resources. Plan 9 isn't "complete" - it's a broad, wide-reaching system that doesn't do everything, because some things just weren't worth the effort, for the benefit they'd provide. If you want dynamic linking in a Plan 9-like environment, there's always Inferno: different system goals, so a different solution. As the early papers said, if you think of it as Unix, you'll be disappointed. If Plan 9 doesn't have something Unix does, it's usually worth asking whether it needs it. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 02:42:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA07803 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:42:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA07799 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21560; Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 23:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006230642.XAA21560@ohio.river.org> From: Richard To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution In-Reply-To: <200006222309.TAA01006@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006222309.TAA01006@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Tom Glinos writes: > >After what I've learned at USENIX as to how the license and the release >was done, I consider the community very luck. help me out here please. I'm not a lawyer but Ive spend 100s of hours over the last 7 years learning about open-source licenses and how they motivate developers. the 9 license has a really bad restriction that that none of the other open-source licenses have that is clearly going to impede the growth of the userbase/developerbase. it is not a restriction that gives Lucent any advantages: its in there because whoever wrote this license just does not understand open-source licenses very well. (sadly, it is not a very well thought out license, but I believe it is unproductive to bring that up except on this one restriction.) regarding this one point, do I point it out now or do I wait? do I bring it up on the list or email Rob or what? what do you think? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 03:27:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA08384 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:27:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA08380 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 03:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA23544; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 00:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006230727.AAA23544@ohio.river.org> From: Richard To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution In-Reply-To: <200006230642.XAA21560@ohio.river.org> References: <200006222309.TAA01006@cse.psu.edu> <200006230642.XAA21560@ohio.river.org> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu *I* just wrote: >Tom Glinos writes: >> >>After what I've learned at USENIX as to how the license and the release >>was done, I consider the community very luck. > >help me out here please. Oh, crap; that email was meant for just Tom Glinos, to get his advice because not a lot on info has been posted on the mailing list or the Plan 9 web sites on the process that went into the new license, and he obviously just learned some info, and I was just so curious to pick his brain. Really: it's only because I made a mistake that it is here on the mailing list at all. Once I hit "send" I realized there's just no way to stop that message from getting to everyone on the list. Now might be a good time for me to mention that I think that Plan 9 is an uncommonly beautiful/congenial/useful piece of software and that its release under the new license is the most exciting software news I heard in years. Sheepishly yours, Richard From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 05:18:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09486 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:18:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09481 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135PSB-0006YJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:08:47 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:58:20 GMT From: Pat Gunn Message-ID: <3952C764.5A7CF388@ibm.net> Organization: None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <200006091900.PAA24772@small-gods.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Binaries and Source for Free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > The world which wants open source can be a bunch of ungrateful > bastards, and in this case I'm one of them. There are two things I, > and I suspect others, consider unacceptable about the new Plan 9 > license: > > * Lucent has the right to come in and demand full > non-exclusive rights to any derivatives of Plan 9 which you > make and use--even if you don't distribute them. > > * You can't sue any contributor to the version of Plan 9 you > use, for any intellectual property reason whatsoever, > without destroying your copies of that version of Plan 9. > (I don't know how enforceable this clause is.) > > Maybe some people think these things are okay, but from my point of > view, this is on the level of the APSL: technically open source, but > with a few poisonous clauses which will probably prevent it from > generating real interest. And it's certainly not compatible with the > GPL. > > These aren't issues of personal gain, incidentally. I don't think I > would ever write a derivative of a work of free software and > intentionally keep it to myself, and I don't think I would ever sue > someone for intellectual property reasons. But I think truly free > software shouldn't require people to give up these rights. Personally, I don't see it as any more restrictive than the GPL, and for a licence, those points are generally positive -- like the GPL it helps to create a small part of the ideal world in which we'd have no intellectual property protections at all, and that's a good thing. -- "Religion is a crutch, and only the crippled need crutches" -- Madalyn Murray Any opinions expressed in this message do not necessarily reflect the official position of Pat Gunn or his employer. Instead, they reflect the official position of the reader(s). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 05:18:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09510 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:18:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09497 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135PS9-0006Xx-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:08:45 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:57:45 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3952C357.2FE65004@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <001001bfdc48$43bed880$9e096887@union1.nj.home.com>, <200006221319.JAA25125@small-gods.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greg Hudson wrote: > (Incidentally, the person who thought you could trivially get a root > shell on Solaris using LD_LIBRARY_PATH should do his homework better. > The run-time loader unsets the LD_* variables for setuid programs on > all Unix systems supporting shared libraries; it's just too obvious of > a security hole to have been left open.) Obvious or not, in fact I did see it exploited just a couple of years ago. One also has to wonder what good LD_*_PATH is if some programs have it taken away from them and are supposed to still operate correctly. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 05:19:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09629 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:19:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09568 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135PS5-0006XS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:08:41 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:56:20 GMT From: Dean Jansa Jr Message-ID: Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. Subject: [9fans] /adm/users Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I made a "oops" and deleted my small /adm/users file after my initial install... Can someone send me a text copy? I know it is only a few lines and I'd rather not reload for that one file... Thanks! -Dean From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 05:20:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09703 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:20:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09628 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135PSD-0006Yi-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:08:49 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:58:48 GMT From: Pat Gunn Message-ID: <3952C9AE.DFBA6D10@ibm.net> Organization: None Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan9 under BOCHs? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Has anyone had problems/success installing Plan9 under BOCHs? If so, I'd be very interested to hear of any difficultues.. -- "Religion is a crutch, and only the crippled need crutches" -- Madalyn Murray Any opinions expressed in this message do not necessarily reflect the official position of Pat Gunn or his employer. Instead, they reflect the official position of the reader(s). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 05:20:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09701 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:20:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA09621 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135PS2-0006Wx-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:08:38 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:55:57 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8itoft$2sit$3@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, You see the question in the subject, Please answer it or maybe discuss it. Thanks in advance for your participation. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 05:34:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10319 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:34:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA10315 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:34:48 -0400 (EDT) From: rog@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006230934.FAA10315@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 10:37:19 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? limbo doesn't run outside inferno. inferno runs under plan 9, 2nd edition, and we're testing it under 3rd edition, and it will soon be available free for download (including all source except the core OS - the core OS costs $150 to $300 depending on whether you're in academia or not). we'll also be releasing free (for commercial and non-commercial use) versions for Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, and possibly other platforms i've forgotton. so you can run limbo under plan 9- give it a week and you'll be able to get it. sorry for the delay; we've been completely snowed under here. cheers, rog. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 06:27:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA10976 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:27:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from minster.cs.york.ac.uk (minster.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.40.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA10970 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 06:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:16:30 +0100 From: James Carter Subject: [9fans] 9disk crashed on boot. To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu it's taken me a little time to gather some compatible hardware, but i tried to boot plan 9 last night on a newly aquired p100 system with 32 mb ram, a stealth 64 video vram gfx card and an smc wd80[01]3 nic. it crashed after (sucessfully, i think) probing the video, with the following output: cpu0: spurious interrupt 39, last 0 aux/mouse: Unknown mouse type, giving up panic: mmukmap2: pa 80000000 entry 63 ktrace /kernel/path 80105d51 800128bc 8001285c=80105c56 8001286c=8016eb86 8001287c=8010031c 800128a4=80105d51 800128b8=80105d51 800128c0=80138bb6 800128c4=80138f78 80012910=8016eb86 8001291c=8015bd21 80012930=8015bd21 80012938=80181461 80012940=80181461 80012994=80126ce4 80012950=8016eb86 80012954=8017f9a3 80012964=80126ce4 80012970=8016eb86 80012974=8017f9a3 80012988=8016ef9c 80012994=8016eb86 800129b4=8015bd21 800129c0=8016e6fa 800129c8=8016e6fa 800129d4=8016eb86 800129d8=801035ea 800129dc=8016f1bd 800129e0=801049cd 800129ec=80104b63 80012a2c=801040be 80012a48=8015ed8f 80012a50=801180be 80012a6c=8015f1e0 80012ab0=801422e3 80012ad0=8014f6ec 80012ae8=80182749 80012b04=80182afb 80012b10=80182b88 80012b2c=8016eace 80012b34=8015bef8 80012b50=8014f9a5 80012b70=8016bce1 80012bb0=801060aa 80012bdc=80100962 80012c18=801004ad i tried disabling the cache in the bios, which got rid of the spurious interrupts, but it still crashed. i also tried removing the network card to no affect. i'm not sure why it can't see the mouse - i'm using a standard serial mouse that plan.ini has been configured for. the same model (genius) worked with 2nd edition... does anyone have any ideas, before i mail 9trouble? thanks. -- J.F.Carter From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 08:19:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA12076 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:19:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA12071 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135SF5-0000dC-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:07:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 11:59:36 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8ivhjq$23al$3@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <200006230934.FAA10315@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >> Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? > so you can run limbo under plan 9- give it a week and you'll > be able to get it. sorry for the delay; we've been completely > snowed under here. Thank you for the explaination. Anyway it would be interesting to get DIS bytecode interpreter running under Plan9 directly, not under 'hosted'('emu') Inferno. And may be to have limbo-to-C translator or similar. And please would you or anybody else explain me how different are Styx and 9P protocols ? Do they need certain adaptors or they may interoperate right out of the box ? -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:00:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA12789 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:00:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA12784 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 135T4e-000BMT-0C for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:00:44 +0000 Message-ID: <024901bfdd12$f03d6b10$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3952C9AE.DFBA6D10@ibm.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 under BOCHs? Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:59:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The previous (1995 vintage) kernel certainly booted under BOCHS. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Gunn" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 9:58 AM Subject: [9fans] Plan9 under BOCHs? > Has anyone had problems/success installing Plan9 under BOCHs? If so, I'd be very > interested to hear of any difficultues.. > > -- > "Religion is a crutch, and only the crippled need crutches" -- Madalyn Murray > Any opinions expressed in this message do not necessarily reflect > the official position of Pat Gunn or his employer. Instead, they > reflect the official position of the reader(s). From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:24:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13421 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13416 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006231324.JAA13416@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:23:59 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /adm/users MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu % cat /adm/users -1:adm:adm: 0:none:adm: 1:tor:tor: 2:glenda:glenda: 9999:noworld:: 10000:sys:: 10001:upas:upas: 10002:bootes:bootes: From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:29:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA13691 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:29:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA13687 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006231329.JAA13687@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:29:04 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] CPU server auth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu cpu: can't authenticate: banana: writing /dev/authenticator: bad arg in system call this almost always means your password is typed wrong. it is worth looking at /sys/log/auth on the authentication server. there should be two entries, one saying that authentication for pip was okay, and another saying that the bootes -> pip transformation was okay. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:34:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14048 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:34:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from er4.rutgers.edu (52508@er4.rutgers.edu [165.230.180.142]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from anothy@localhost) by er4.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA21387 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:34:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Sorace Message-Id: <200006231334.JAA21387@er4.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu // Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? in adition to the response from rog@vitanuova, it's possibly worth noting that there is a native limbo compiler for Plan 9 (as well as the other hosted platforms). they generate the same bytecodes as the Inferno limbo compiler (which'll only run under Inferno). this probably isn't what you were asking, but it made developing limbo code much nicer since i could use acme and mk. of cource, i can't wait to see vitanuova's Inferno version of Acme. : anothy; From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:36:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14200 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:36:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14191 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:36:28 -0400 (EDT) From: rog@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006231336.JAA14191@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:39:12 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Thank you for the explaination. Anyway it would be interesting to > get DIS bytecode interpreter running under Plan9 directly, not > under 'hosted'('emu') Inferno. And may be to have limbo-to-C > translator or similar. a lot of the usefulness of limbo comes from the fact that it runs within inferno - the language itself is only part of the limbo equation. that said, i'd like to see inferno working more closely with plan 9 on lots of things (e.g. plumbing, draw model) because they are so closely related, which means that less translation has to go on at the Inferno-OS transition. i don't think you'd gain a lot by running the Dis VM without inferno. however, i suppose there might be a place for a Limbo to C translator, sacrificing some of Limbo's portability for speed. it'd be a fair amount of work though. > And please would you or anybody else explain me how different are > Styx and 9P protocols ? Do they need certain adaptors or they may > interoperate right out of the box ? as far as i'm aware, the main difference between styx and 9p is in the authentication protocols (there are a few differences in the file permission bits as well, plus the message numbering is different). styx does authentication once for a connection - the authentication happens at a different level to the styx protocol (and hence can be used to authenticate things other than styx connections). it is also potentially more secure, as encryption can be negotiated as well as user authentication. 9p does individual authentication of users on a single connection, which i guess in principal means that someone intercepting the connection could "steal" a fid (e.g. by destroying a Tclunk in transit) and use that to pretend to be some other user. i think there are still some issues to resolve in styx regarding exactly what a user "is". rog. (my views, not vita nuova's) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:38:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14376 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:38:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14371 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135TUi-0002E2-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:27:40 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:05:30 GMT From: Kasper Peeters Message-ID: Organization: DAMTP - University of Cambridge References: <200006221319.JAA25125@small-gods.mit.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Libraries are about sharing functionality. Not code, and not > services, but functionality. How does plan9 solve the problem that for some functionality, it is much more efficient (or at least simpler) to manipulate directly the C/C++/whatever data structures instead of having to write/read plan9 files and convert the data gathered there? Does one, in such cases, write a wrapper library or do plan9 programs take a different route? Kasper From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:39:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA14471 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:39:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14422 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135TUj-0002E9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:27:41 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:08:28 GMT From: phamano Message-ID: <8ivmsk$tnp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. References: Subject: Re: [9fans] 9disk crashed on boot. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The mouse isn't absolutely essential; I haven't verified this but mine appears to be swapped com1 and com2, so I tried the other port and it worked fine. You can get through the entire unpacking of the distribution without a mouse present -- it will report an error and continue. I brought Plan 9 up without an ethernet card present in the system, no problem (even though plan9.ini says I have a card, since I expected to have one handy when I d/l the boot floppy image). In article , 9fans@cse.psu.edu wrote: > i'm not sure why it can't see the mouse - i'm using a standard serial > mouse that plan.ini has been configured for. the same model (genius) > worked with 2nd edition... Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 09:53:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15056 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:53:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from er4.rutgers.edu (52508@er4.rutgers.edu [165.230.180.142]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from anothy@localhost) by er4.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA22388 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Anthony Sorace Message-Id: <200006231353.JAA22388@er4.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu // ...how different are Styx and 9P protocols ? again, a step behind rog. note that, given the relative simplicity of the two protocols, writing a "gateway" that talks 9p out one end and styx out the other shouldn't be that big a deal. somebody in the labs has already got a program that posts files in the /srv directory from styx servers, the same way srv does for 9p servers. what i'd _really_ like to see is styx in the file server. : anothy; From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 12:02:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18439 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:02:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pixar.pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18432 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marvin.pixar.com (marvin.pixar.com [138.72.30.83]) by pixar.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12460 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from td@localhost) by marvin.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA163864 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:01:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tom Duff" Message-Id: <10006230901.ZM163874@marvin> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:01:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: Kasper Peeters "Re: [9fans] SO for plan9?" (Jun 23, 1:05pm) References: <200006221319.JAA25125@small-gods.mit.edu> Reply-To: td@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > How does plan9 solve the problem that for some functionality, it is > much more efficient (or at least simpler) to manipulate directly the > C/C++/whatever data structures instead of having to write/read plan9 > files and convert the data gathered there? If it's more efficient, and efficiency is the problem, then that's what you do. It's not a religion, just an operating system. -- Tom Duff. Umkehren, immer umkehren! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 12:52:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA19788 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:52:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA19776 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135WYJ-0007VJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:43:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:28:05 GMT From: td@pixar.com (Tom Duff) Message-ID: <10006230901.ZM163874@marvin> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Reply-To: td@pixar.com Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > How does plan9 solve the problem that for some functionality, it is > much more efficient (or at least simpler) to manipulate directly the > C/C++/whatever data structures instead of having to write/read plan9 > files and convert the data gathered there? If it's more efficient, and efficiency is the problem, then that's what you do. It's not a religion, just an operating system. -- Tom Duff. Umkehren, immer umkehren! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 14:19:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA21917 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:19:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA21913 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:19:17 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006231819.OAA21913@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:22:17 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>what i'd _really_ like to see is styx in the file server. the thought had crossed my mind. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 23 14:24:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA22156 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:24:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA22151 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 23 Jun 2000 14:24:23 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006231824.OAA22151@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:27:00 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>because not a lot on info has been posted on the mailing list or the >>Plan 9 web sites on the process that went into the new license, ... quite a few people are at usenix. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 08:59:31 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05658 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:59:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk (root@whitecrow.demon.co.uk [194.222.126.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05654 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 08:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk (steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whitecrow.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02836 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:10:16 +0100 Message-Id: <200006241110.MAA02836@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Jun 2000 13:05:30 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 12:10:15 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > > Libraries are about sharing functionality. Not code, and not > > services, but functionality. > > How does plan9 solve the problem that for some functionality, it is > much more efficient (or at least simpler) to manipulate directly the > C/C++/whatever data structures instead of having to write/read plan9 > files and convert the data gathered there? Does one, in such cases, > write a wrapper library or do plan9 programs take a different route? Like I said, each problem is solved on its individual merits, but with a view that encompasses the whole system, rather than just the local problem. One is unlikely to produce a file server to offer trig functionality. Consider the difference between command-line option parsing and making a network connection. Both are done by many programs. Both start as calls to common library functions. Option handling, as I understand it, doesn't go further, while network connections call on the services of kernel- and user-level file servers. Where to draw the line is a matter of judgement, but Plan 9 has more flexibility that Unix does in the matter. Efficiency is one thing, but simplicity is something else. If all the application program does is a call a function, what does it care whether the underlying implementation does everything in-process, or uses a file server? steve From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 15:56:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA09561 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:56:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA09556 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 15:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-3.georgia.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.61.3] helo=localhost.localdomain) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 135w2A-0003Hj-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:56:06 +0100 Received: (from rjb108@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) id UAA00975 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:42:38 +0100 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:42:37 +0100 From: "R. J. Bradley" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? Message-ID: <20000624204237.A970@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006142040.QAA08102@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0us In-Reply-To: <200006142040.QAA08102@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu>; from rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com on Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 04:36:55PM -0400 X-BadReturnPath: rjb108@localhost.localdomain rewritten as druid@stonecircle.freeserve.co.uk using "From" header Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Ok so I managed to hack the install scripts to function without rio. It wasnt too difficult and if anyone wants instructions on how I did it feel free to email me. Could anyone provide a rough overview of the vga driver code in the kernal and aux/vga ? I have a few ideas of where to start but there are quite a few structs invloved whose members and purposes I can only guess at. Ive managed to drag the source for the TGUI9680 out of SVGAlib and XFree86 as well as a register list so I have these as a starting point for talking to my card. Any help would be most appreciated. Cheers Robin From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 16:22:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA09983 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:22:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09978 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135wA3-0002xi-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:04:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:33 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8IFG3D$21HS$1@PANDORA.ALKAR.NET> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] chown - ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, So, I logged in as 'glenda', set up my network interface and tried to connect via 'ssh' to certain unix host. 'ssh' said I need to generate key pair first. I did disk/kfscmd allow aux/ssh_genkey And I got a pair of key files belonging to 'glenda.sys' in common directory /sys/lib/ssh/ So, the question is how about another (real) users that might log on to the same terminal host ? How to make them use the same host keys ? Thanks for your explainations, especially if they are about not-too-unix-way :> -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 17:43:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA10809 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:43:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from utstat.toronto.edu (utstat.toronto.edu [128.100.73.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA10805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006242143.RAA10805@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 Tshirts To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:43:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Glinos" In-Reply-To: from "Gregg Siegfried" at Jun 22, 2000 10:20:58 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >today in the sessions. How does one get one of those? You had to be there to get one. Rob carefully unfolded them. Took a few steps back, and said "Go get 'em" The scrum was fun and memorable. (Thank's Rob) >I hope someone will post a summary of the BOF as well. The BOF was very well attended. The room was very hot. The major points from memory: Most of the people in the room had downloaded the new release. A lot of Plan 9 has been reworked, particularly the graphics. You're gonna have to read the man pages again. Charles from Vita gave a nice Inferno demo. -- ================= The hardest thing to see | Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics is the way things REALLY are. | tg@utstat.toronto.edu From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 17:58:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11107 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:58:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from utstat.toronto.edu (utstat.toronto.edu [128.100.73.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA11100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006242158.RAA11100@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:58:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Glinos" In-Reply-To: <200006230727.AAA23544@ohio.river.org> from "Richard" at Jun 23, 2000 12:27:41 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Oh, crap; that email was meant for just Tom Glinos, to get his advice >because not a lot on info has been posted on the mailing list or the >Plan 9 web sites on the process that went into the new license, and he >obviously just learned some info, and I was just so curious to pick his >brain. My advice is "don't worry, be happy" and "don't bite the hand that feeds you." (I'm now going to pick my words very carefully) The current agreement took months of work/anguish. I think it's a document that Lucent can live with given THEIR business issues. -- ================= The hardest thing to see | Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics is the way things REALLY are. | tg@utstat.toronto.edu From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 18:00:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11258 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:00:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ece.rutgers.edu (ece.rutgers.edu [128.6.46.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA11252 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:59:54 -0400 (EDT) From: narteh@ece.rutgers.edu Received: (qmail 23353 invoked by uid 31849); 24 Jun 2000 21:59:48 -0000 Date: 24 Jun 2000 21:59:48 -0000 Message-ID: <20000624215948.23352.qmail@ece.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] cdfs Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu HI I've been able to burn a data CD, and was trying my hands at burning an audio CD. Burning itself went fine, but the step prior to that was a a bit botched. After running cdfs, there are several files served in /mnt/cd (axxx, ctl), but when copying them, cdfs does not end input on file boundaries. i.e., cp /mnt/cd/a000 /tmp/the_clash/ will copy all of track a000, a001 ... into one file in /tmp/the_clash. I fixed this to a certain degree with the following fix to /sys/src/cmd/cdfs/mmc.c: namaste% diff mmc.c mmc.c.orig 541,550d540 < /* Trunc nblock modulo size of track */ < if((off+nblock) > o->track->end) { < if ((nblock = o->track->end - off) == 0) { < werrstr("end of track (%ld->%ld)", o->track->beg, o->track->end); < if(vflag) < fprint(2, "end of track (%ld->%ld)", o->track->beg, o->track->end); < return -1; < } < } < 589c579 < //fprint(2, "nblock = %ld\n", nblock); --- > fprint(2, "nblock = %ld\n", nblock); namaste% The fix works real horrorshow. I just made an 'archival copy' of a cd with it. - pip From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 18:04:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11461 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:04:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135xvf-0003iq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:57:31 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:49:15 GMT From: John Kodis Message-ID: Organization: Jagunet Access Services (using Airnews.net!) References: <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D13C3@mail.sauder.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Previously, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. > Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. > > Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT) > From: Richard Stallman > To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com > Subject: Plan Nine deep-sixed by non-free license > Reply-to: rms@gnu.org > > I was excited to hear that Plan Nine might become free software, but > it turns out that the license is too restrictive to qualify. We will > have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its > present license. Is this all that RMS said on the matter, or was this an excerpt? I'd have expected some explaination of what he found objectionable. As it stands, this is like submitting a bug report saying "Plan 9 is broken. If at some point you wish to fix it, please contact me." I'm curious about what objections RMS has, given that the intent of the license seems in line with the ideals of the FSF, and that other free software advocates have said that it looks good to them. -- John Kodis. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 18:07:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11661 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:07:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11652 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135xvW-0003hb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:57:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:41:49 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8IFHBQ$2NMV$1@PANDORA.ALKAR.NET> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] xterm or so - ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, Please advise me on interoperability with existing unixes. At my work I often use telnet/ssh/ssh2 to log on different hosts from my desktop (now Linux or FreeBSD, sometimes with XFree86) and change config files with 'vi' there. Having tried plan9's 'telnet', I found that our hosts can support 'p9win' terminal only in dumb mode. It seems that reasonable 'termcap' entry for this terminal could not be expressed easily, so I think I need a terminal emulator like 'xterm' under plan9, or perhaps an ability to run x-client 'xterm' remotely and use local plan9 as x-server to have its window here. And besides, how do I set both-way mapping between koi8-r (cyrillic 8-bit character encoding we use under unix) and unicode used on plan9? And in relation, how do I switch keyboard layouts between 'latin' and 'cyrillic'? I would like to be able to do that instantly by hotkey, as I can set up on Linux or FreeBSD - is there any way ? Thanks those who know for any their suggestions :> -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 18:07:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11662 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:07:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA11657 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135xvl-0003jg-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:57:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:47:14 GMT From: Terry Bayne Message-ID: Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Reply-To: gnome@hiwaay.net Subject: [9fans] Kernel Panic Trap after User prompt. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have plan 9 installed. Used distribution downloaded today 17 June 00. When I boot from a floppy or from the Windows NT boot selection menu I have the same problem: After I get prompted for a user, the kernel does a panic trap, spews a bunch of numbers then stops. Any ideas? Thanks Terry Bayne From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 18:32:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12165 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from honti.mit.edu (HONTI.MIT.EDU [18.77.2.22]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12160 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from avp@localhost) by honti.mit.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e5OMW3U08332; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006242232.e5OMW3U08332@honti.mit.edu> From: Andrew Pochinsky To: gnome@hiwaay.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-reply-to: (message from Terry Bayne on Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:47:14 GMT) Subject: Re: [9fans] Kernel Panic Trap after User prompt. Reply-to: avp@alum.mit.edu References: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I had the same problem after installing June 17 distribution using the floppy image generated for the June 6 distribution. After dutifully going to plan9.bell-labs.com asking for a new install floppy, the problem disappeared. --andrew Hi, I have plan 9 installed. Used distribution downloaded today 17 June 00. When I boot from a floppy or from the Windows NT boot selection menu I have the same problem: After I get prompted for a user, the kernel does a panic trap, spews a bunch of numbers then stops. Any ideas? Thanks Terry Bayne From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 18:32:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12232 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ece.rutgers.edu (ece.rutgers.edu [128.6.46.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12206 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: narteh@ece.rutgers.edu Received: (qmail 24339 invoked by uid 31849); 24 Jun 2000 22:32:19 -0000 Date: 24 Jun 2000 22:32:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000624223219.24337.qmail@ece.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Hitachi SuperH RISC Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Did anyone ever add support for the Hitachi SH ? I recall seeing an Inferno infosheet that said it ran on the SH, and given that most Inferno development is done on Plan 9, , , - pip From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 18:45:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12573 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:45:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aristotle.net (aristotle.net [204.233.139.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA12569 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiger.home.net (IDENT:sharris@pm11ppp85.aristotle.net [207.150.22.85]) by aristotle.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA27456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:44:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Stephen Harris To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Missing /sys/src Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:44:29 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00062416485700.00590@tiger.home.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've got plan9 running but when logging in as glenda I don't have any "/sys/src" directory in my namespace, I only have "/sys/lib" and "/sys/include" under the /sys directory. I also created another user (as in the doc) but same thing happens for that user too. Am I doing something wrong? I have the initial v3 distribution (no updates), but I didn't see anything like this listed in the errata. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 19:34:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13152 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:34:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13148 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 19:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 135zI5-0004Tk-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:24:45 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:55:09 GMT From: avp@honti.mit.edu (Andrew Pochinsky) Message-ID: <200006242232.e5OMW3U08332@honti.mit.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list References: Reply-To: avp@alum.mit.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Kernel Panic Trap after User prompt. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I had the same problem after installing June 17 distribution using the floppy image generated for the June 6 distribution. After dutifully going to plan9.bell-labs.com asking for a new install floppy, the problem disappeared. --andrew Hi, I have plan 9 installed. Used distribution downloaded today 17 June 00. When I boot from a floppy or from the Windows NT boot selection menu I have the same problem: After I get prompted for a user, the kernel does a panic trap, spews a bunch of numbers then stops. Any ideas? Thanks Terry Bayne From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 22:21:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14736 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:21:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14732 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006250221.WAA14732@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:21:49 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Missing /sys/src MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Did the install stop halfway through? You should download the archive again and try disk/kfscmd allow wrap/inst plan9.9gz disk/kfscmd disallow If you downloaded via the install process, look in /dist to see if plan9.9gz is really 50MB. I bet it stopped earl Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 24 22:36:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA14988 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:36:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14984 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006250236.WAA14984@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:36:11 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Could anyone provide a rough overview of the vga driver code in the kernal and aux/vga ? I have a few ideas of where to start but there are quite a few structs invloved whose members and purposes I can only guess at. Ive managed to drag the source for the TGUI9680 out of SVGAlib and XFree86 as well as a register list so I have these as a starting point for talking to my card. We don't use much of the vga special features, so there's not as much work in getting a card up under Plan 9 as there is under, say, XFree86. Aux/vga is in charge of initializing the registers on the card to get it into a given VGA mode and depth. At that point, it hands off to the kernel, which treats it as a frame buffer. Internally, each driver in aux/vga (an example might be /sys/src/cmd/aux/vga/mach64xx.c) provides four functions snarf, init, load, and dump. Snarf reads the registers. Init tweaks the in-memory copy of the registers, and then load writes them back (only happens with -l). Dump prints them for debugging. There are drivers for both the card and the graphics cursor. When adding a driver, be sure to add it to the list in data.c. I like to make one pass through the manual, mark the registers I think are important, and then write the code. Before the first load, though, I try to get a dump from a Unix system or from Windows and compare. Once the registers are set, aux/vga hands control to the kernel, which treats the memory as a big frame buffer. /sys/src/9/pc/vgamach64xx.c is a decent example. The kernel also has to manipulate the hardware graphics cursor, but that's usually straightforward. If you want to run in more than 8-bit mode, you'll need to work on hardware acceleration to make it bearable. We use block copy and block clear, and that's enough to feel quite zippy. It's useful for debugging to have the kernel driver set up two segments (see segattach(2)), one for the frame buffer and one for any PCI-mapped registers. Then you can test the acceleration from user space and move it into the kernel once it is ready. When you get that far, mail me and I'll send a template I like to use to do that. Hope that helps. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 25 07:18:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19285 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA19281 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006251117.HAA19281@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hitachi SuperH RISC Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:16:53 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-copsihyrvzfssxjpxmkstlnsgv" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-copsihyrvzfssxjpxmkstlnsgv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>Did anyone ever add support for the Hitachi SH ? I recall seeing >>an Inferno infosheet that said it ran on the SH, and given that i don't know why it was on that info sheet. there was one attempt at a normal Inferno port that was hardly begun. i was annoyed because i'd stopped my own work on a compiler suite when i'd heard about that one, and didn't discover it had been abandoned until it was too late. i included it on the Inferno registration form to see how much interest there might be in resurrecting it. it's not hard, but takes time and effort that could be spent elsewhere. i know a bit about another more successful attempt with Infenro on SH hardware, but it's apparently confidential. i should know more fairly soon when they visit us in York, including whether it is indeed confidential. --upas-copsihyrvzfssxjpxmkstlnsgv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.36]) by lavoro; Sun Jun 25 00:01:48 BST 2000 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 961885998:10:05405:0; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:33:18 GMT Received: from claven.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005286; 24 Jun 2000 22:33 GMT Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12296; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:58 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12232 for 9fans-outgoing; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ece.rutgers.edu (ece.rutgers.edu [128.6.46.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA12206 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 24 Jun 2000 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: narteh@ece.rutgers.edu Received: (qmail 24339 invoked by uid 31849); 24 Jun 2000 22:32:19 -0000 Date: 24 Jun 2000 22:32:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000624223219.24337.qmail@ece.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Hitachi SuperH RISC Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Did anyone ever add support for the Hitachi SH ? I recall seeing an Inferno infosheet that said it ran on the SH, and given that most Inferno development is done on Plan 9, , , - pip --upas-copsihyrvzfssxjpxmkstlnsgv-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 25 07:57:50 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA19736 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:57:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA19732 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 07:57:45 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006251157.HAA19732@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:56:46 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>hate to see gnome ported and get 20meg staticaly linked >>simple CD player there are two ways to look at this. some say `and therefore shared libraries are needed'; others wonder `and why exactly is the stuff underpinning a simple CD player 20 meg in the first place?'. i had recently wondered why, in the computing world, names that really ought to refer to rather nimble little things -- elf, dwarf and gnome, for instance -- almost invariably refer to overly large, complex, overblown things (that were large to begin with). what must their designers' gardens look like? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 25 14:22:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23085 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:22:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ece.rutgers.edu (ece.rutgers.edu [128.6.46.12]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA23081 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: narteh@ece.rutgers.edu Received: (qmail 12778 invoked by uid 31849); 25 Jun 2000 18:22:17 -0000 Date: 25 Jun 2000 18:22:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000625182217.12777.qmail@ece.rutgers.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hitachi SuperH RISC Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Good thing I asked. My research currently involves a malenky bit of work on the SH, and I wrote an assembler and complete archiiitectural simulator for it(wiith some other neat stuff). I have started addiinig support for the SH to my tree, but I only strted yesterday, so if a port already exists, I miight put my efforts elsewhere ;) - pip From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Sun Jun 25 14:53:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA23512 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:53:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA23508 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 14:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15335; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006251852.LAA15335@ohio.river.org> From: Richard Uhtenwoldt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] efficient programs as distinct from humble programmers In-Reply-To: <200006251157.HAA19732@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006251157.HAA19732@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu in the late 70s, Edsger Dijkstra and Tony Hoare advocated the "humble-programmer" philosophy, which says that humans tend to overestimate their ability to handle complexity in software and consequently one should strive (in addition to one's other objectives) to pessimize the complexity (measured in lines of code) of the software one relies on. often, this is achieved by finding a novel way of viewing or conceptualizing the problem (like per-process namespaces). they pointed out the programmer who can meet a set of requirements with fewer lines of code is the better programmer because a smaller program will usually be easier for the user to control, more likely to behave the way the programmer thinks it will behave and easier for future programmers to modify to do something the original programmer did not provide for. in summary, a "humbly-written" program will not unnecessarily waste the time and the attention of the programmer trying to modify it or the user trying to control it. large (ie, rich, generally useful) humbly-written programs are rare. the Plan 9 papers make it clear that the core designers of Plan 9 are humble programmers: 3 or 4 times, I saw words to the effect "we were able to provide this functionality in only XX,000 lines of code" (and yet Plan 9 appears to provide a rich, generally useful software environment). it is important to distinguish between the aforementioned conserving of human attentional resources and conserving memory, disk, bandwidth and cpu resources. memory size, disk size, bandwidth and cpu speed double every few years. the speed at which a person can learn or the number of things a person can keep track of does not grow like that. that is why I do not like the term "code bloat". most Linuxers who use that term are deploring the wasting of cpu or memory resources. it would be more clear if those people refer to "inefficiency". some people --like dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com in the following quote-- use the term "code bloat" to mean what I would rather call "gratuitous complexity": > > hate to see gnome ported and get 20meg staticaly linked > > simple CD player > > So basically you want shared libraries to mitigate the effects > of code bloat? Why not do away with the code bloat instead? > This is Plan 9's approach. this use of "code bloat" managed to confuse at least one person, who thought it referred to wasting memory: >huh !?! > >i thought statically linking each and every application in the system >IS code bloat (note that I have not taken a position on shared libraries.) -- Richard Uhtenwoldt From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 00:44:39 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA29196 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:44:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ohio.river.org (river.org [209.24.233.15]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA29191 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ru@localhost) by ohio.river.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23182; Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006260444.VAA23182@ohio.river.org> From: Richard To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? In-Reply-To: <20000624204237.A970@localhost.localdomain> References: <200006142040.QAA08102@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000624204237.A970@localhost.localdomain> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu R. J. Bradley writes: > >Ok so I managed to hack the install scripts to function without rio. >It wasnt too difficult and if anyone wants instructions on how I did >it feel free to email me. does this hack reduce the memory requirements for the install --I have only 24 megs? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 02:42:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA00463 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:42:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA00455 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 02:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kuroshima ([135.104.3.180]) by plan9; Mon Jun 26 02:42:29 EDT 2000 Message-ID: <000101bfdf39$a6849560$b4036887@cs.belllabs.com> From: "rob pike" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006151619.MAA20956@cse.psu.edu>, <200006160020.RAA09589@ohio.river.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] File/cpu service provider Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:19:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Speaking of ASPs and mutually hostile users, what kind of resource management does Plan 9 have? Does it have some sort of hierachical CPU, disk, and network scheduling? Does it overcommit VM? Plan 9 doesn't do anything very sophisticated about resource management. It should probably be smarter in general. We're still trying to come up with a satisfying way to administer kernel memory - how to manage the balance between kernel and user memory. It doesn't overcommit VM, however. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 03:45:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01210 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:45:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01205 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0E.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.164]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA10438 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:45:11 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03112 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:45:10 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:45:10 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] PPP modification help needed Message-ID: <20000626004510.A3096@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I've been trying to implement PAP on PPP and I've got it pretty far along...but I can't quite get it going. Anyone willing to take a look at my code? I suspect I've done something silly that will turn out to be obvious to a reviewer. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:19:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02211 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02197 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvq-0000Xq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:54 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:03:21 GMT From: Michael Dingler Message-ID: <39563128.462B2D3A@mindless.com> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006251157.HAA19732@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > i had recently wondered why, in the computing world, names that > really ought to refer to rather nimble little things -- elf, dwarf and gnome, > for instance -- almost invariably refer to overly large, complex, overblown > things (that were large to begin with). what must their designers' gardens > look like? Oh, was this paragraph meant as a troll? SCNR And to be honest, dwarfs and gnomes were quite small in most folkloristic traditions, but often misshapen. So the relationship might still be there. BTW, what naming tradition would be suitable for Plan 9? There aren't that many puns on Ed Wood movies. General alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? ("Acme"). Or starting everything with "P"? (Can't wait for the Plan9 Email Explorer) ...Michael... (rumpelstiltskin already in use?) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:19:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02222 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02202 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvp-0000Xe-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:53 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:02:23 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: A Customer of Tele2 References: <200006230339.XAA31604@fywss.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] mach64 vga hell Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In article <200006230339.XAA31604@fywss.com>, 9fans@cse.psu.edu wrote: ....deleted > I've been trying to bootup the system on a pc at home, > but the monitor goes blank after the vga gets setup. > I've tried resolutions from 640x480x8 to 1024x768x16, This is perhaps a really stupid suggestion, but have you tried 640x480x1 ? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:19:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02237 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02207 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvo-0000XY-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:52 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:02:02 GMT From: PB Message-ID: <39550A7D.733BFB4A@YOURFILTHYHANDStiscalinet.it> Organization: Tiscali Spa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Newbie questions (setup problems) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello to everyone. I tried to install plan9 v3 on an IBM model 330 (sorry, I have no exact idea on what there is inside this machine) but I had this answer: (...) root is from (blah blah): kfs...boot: nop...kfs...no physical memory no physical memory no physical memory (etc) Someone has any idea on what is the problem? I also tried to install it on my homemade pc, but alas it has an unsupported Matrox G200. No solution other than changing the card? Thank you in advance Pietro ------------ To answer take your filthy hands out of my address. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:20:20 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02280 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:20:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02236 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvn-0000XM-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:51 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:01:28 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8j2q52$1lhr$2@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] where are time wasters ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, Manuals at Bell-Labs site read that there are some time wasters in Plan9. But in the distribution I downloaded I could not find any. Please suggest where else I could find them. I need at lease 4s and its source to get a sample for my own programming experiments. Thanks. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:20:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02283 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:20:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02213 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvn-0000XS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:51 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:01:45 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8j2rkd$267k$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, Suppose I have basic Plan9 setup (9pcdisk). I log on to its terminal server under my own user name. How then do I give my file- and cpu-services to my unix colleagues, provided they have 9term and wish to connect to my host to know some more about Plan9 ? How then do I make a secure file server of my local harddisk (with some use restrictions for disk/kfscmd)? Now anybody can log on locally to terminal server under any name and make anything with local filesystem with kfscmd ! Nothing similar is observed for any unix installation, why is it so insecure under Plan9 ? I know I need to rebuild a kernel, but among different kernel configurations I did not find one I want. Really, what if I do not want, or simply am unable, to dedicate spare headless machine for file serving (for example, since not having one) ? I just have a strongest wish for single host to be file and cpu server at the same time, and to become also a terminal server whenever whoever wants to log on it locally (like X-server with xdm). (and to log off it by stopping terminal server but keeping cpu and file servers running). Is this my wish unreal under Plan9 ? May be I should drop my sick enthusiasm and turn back to longly familiar unix? Please explain me the Plan9 reality and may be help a little to clear my thoughts. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:20:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02318 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:20:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02244 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvl-0000X6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:49 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:00:25 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8j1o8j$i0v$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <200006231336.JAA14191@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > that said, i'd like to see inferno working more closely with plan 9 on > lots of things (e.g. plumbing, draw model) because they are so closely > related, which means that less translation has to go on at the Thank you very much Rog. You really help me in my interest to increase my knowledge. Please tell me also if there is any implementation of .Tk library/language on Plan9 ? I looked at Limbo examples of GUI programming using .Tk, they are quite nice. It would be great to have similar language (may be in form of fileserver, heh) in Plan9. Why I stress on Plan9 more than Inferno, that's because Plan9, say so, is more free (in money sense) than Inferno, especially as to availability of native OS and its full source. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:34:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03115 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:34:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03111 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvm-0000XD-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:50 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:00:43 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8j2psi$1lhr$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Subject: [9fans] 'page' bottom-top turning troubles Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Greetings, At last I read 'man page' and started to see how it works. I noticed that whe I press 'u' to turn page bottom-top, rest windows get freezed, i.e. by left-clicking on any other window it does not become active and topmost. Whole window system except mouse cursor gets freezed ! May be I missed something about time-sharing in Plan9 ? Please explain the cause and may be give some help . Thanks. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:54:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03549 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:53:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03533 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvq-0000Xk-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:54 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:02:50 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <395583C8.1E0090B4@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <00062416485700.00590@tiger.home.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Missing /sys/src Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Stephen Harris wrote: > I've got plan9 running but when logging in as glenda I don't have any > "/sys/src" directory in my namespace, I only have "/sys/lib" and > "/sys/include" under the /sys directory. Something is definitely wrong. Just guessing, perhaps the archive did not get fully unpacked. You might unpack it manually (gunzip) and manually use wrap/inst -oF archive_name to install on top of what you have. See the updates Web page for newer wrap package etc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:54:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03556 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:54:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03536 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvk-0000X0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:00:05 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <395445A5.E778FB1D@null.net> Organization: @Home Network Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006221319.JAA25125@small-gods.mit.edu>, <200006222247.XAA17842@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Steve Kilbane wrote: > Greg Hudson wrote: > > By coincidence, I've read this article. The primary problems > > discussed in the article stem from the fact that Windows applications > > often ship with replacement DLLs for system libraries. > ...in which case, they deserve what they get. Actually, they're not "replacement" in the sense you're thinking. They are the standard "redistributable" modules and are included in the installer to make sure that the end-user has them. Often the end user doesn't have an important library or has a very old version that doesn't support features the application depends on. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:54:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03558 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:54:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03539 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvj-0000Wo-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:47 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:58:25 GMT From: Chris Locke Message-ID: <961789254.12790.0.nnrp-10.c2de4822@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <8itoft$2sit$3@pandora.alkar.net> Subject: [9fans] Re: Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nope, but there is a Plan 9 port of Inferno so Limbo is available on Plan 9, if only indirectly. Chris -- email: remove Grr... chris@cjl1.Grrdemon.co.uk From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 05:54:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03576 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03543 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Uvk-0000Wu-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:11:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 08:59:27 GMT From: Christopher Browne Message-ID: <_FU45.219720$MB.3967328@news6.giganews.com> Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing References: <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D13C3@mail.sauder.com>, Reply-To: cbbrowne@hex.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Kodis would say: >Previously, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: >> I just got this mail. I thought people would be interested. >> Our software may be open but it'll never be blessed. >> >> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:42:45 -0600 (MDT) >> From: Richard Stallman >> To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com >> Subject: Plan Nine deep-sixed by non-free license >> Reply-to: rms@gnu.org >> >> I was excited to hear that Plan Nine might become free software, but >> it turns out that the license is too restrictive to qualify. We will >> have to urge people not to use the Plan Nine software under its >> present license. > >Is this all that RMS said on the matter, or was this an excerpt? I'd >have expected some explaination of what he found objectionable. As it >stands, this is like submitting a bug report saying "Plan 9 is broken. >If at some point you wish to fix it, please contact me." > >I'm curious about what objections RMS has, given that the intent of >the license seems in line with the ideals of the FSF, and that other >free software advocates have said that it looks good to them. RMS seems to have a thing for basically saying what he wants to say, and then stopping there. Those comments appear to be all that he had to say, and that's pretty consistent with other occasions of "pronouncements ex cathedra" (and despite him having some distain for organized religion, the parallels to the Pope in Rome are pretty extensive). I would tend to think that the "deep six" is based on the _mandate_ to redistribute changes to Lucent. I have to agree with the increasing degrees of irritation at having to puzzle through "Yet Another License Whose Implications Are Not Widely Understood." The "license debugging" has taken place with BSDL and GPL so that they are both: a) Reasonably well-understood, and b) Tuned to fit their respective intents. Any time "Yet Another Variation on the Netscape Public License" comes along, it is necessary to go through the legal processes again, which bear remarkable similarity to those used when preparing computer software for use "in production." I'm likely going to see about trying Plan 9 out on an Alpha box at home, once my book project gets done; looks pretty interesting... -- cbbrowne@ntlug.org - :FATAL ERROR -- ILLEGAL ERROR From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 06:24:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04481 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:24:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04477 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136W46-0004Qc-0X for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:24:30 +0100 Message-ID: <006001bfdf58$99d93bd0$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006251157.HAA19732@cse.psu.edu> <39563128.462B2D3A@mindless.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:23:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? I don't think 'sam' implies a restriction to men's names. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 07:33:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05487 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:33:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05474 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0B.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.161]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:32:59 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04004 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:32:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:32:57 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie questions (setup problems) Message-ID: <20000626043257.A3987@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <39550A7D.733BFB4A@YOURFILTHYHANDStiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <39550A7D.733BFB4A@YOURFILTHYHANDStiscalinet.it>; from schizophonic@yourfilthyhandstiscalinet.it on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 09:02:02AM +0000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 09:02:02AM +0000, PB wrote: > Hello to everyone. I tried to install plan9 v3 on an IBM model 330 > (sorry, I have no exact idea on what there is inside this machine) > but I had this answer: > > (...) > root is from (blah blah): kfs...boot: nop...kfs...no physical memory > no physical memory > no physical memory > (etc) > > Someone has any idea on what is the problem? > Probably you need more memory; that's what it turned out to be when I saw that message a few days ago. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 09:05:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06970 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:05:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06966 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136YZx-000By5-0A for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:05:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bfdf6f$1963d480$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <39550A7D.733BFB4A@YOURFILTHYHANDStiscalinet.it> <20000626043257.A3987@cyber-dyne.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie questions (setup problems) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:04:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Until Plan 9 is installed and can establish a swap partition, physical memory is all it has. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolph Fritz" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie questions (setup problems) > On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 09:02:02AM +0000, PB wrote: > > Hello to everyone. I tried to install plan9 v3 on an IBM model 330 > > (sorry, I have no exact idea on what there is inside this machine) > > but I had this answer: > > > > (...) > > root is from (blah blah): kfs...boot: nop...kfs...no physical memory > > no physical memory > > no physical memory > > (etc) > > > > Someone has any idea on what is the problem? > > > > Probably you need more memory; that's what it turned out to be when I > saw that message a few days ago. > > -- > Randolph Fritz > Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 09:24:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07465 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:24:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07460 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136Ygn-0006Cs-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:12:37 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:10:34 GMT From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-ID: <962024438.7376.0.nnrp-08.d4f0e306@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <8itoft$2sit$3@pandora.alkar.net>, <961789254.12790.0.nnrp-10.c2de4822@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: [9fans] Re: Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu i was hoping to include an Inferno binary on our Plan 9 CDs. amongst other things it would provide a web browser (Charon). that's the one we use under Plan 9. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 09:41:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08026 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.eot.dbsystems.com (ns.dbsystems.com [208.217.210.25]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08022 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from COM ([166.137.17.228]) by mail.eot.dbsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA82767 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:40:39 GMT (envelope-from gdb@dbSystems.com) Message-Id: <200006261340.NAA82767@mail.eot.dbsystems.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie questions (setup problems) From: "David Butler" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 8:41:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MultiMail PRO (c) 1998-2000 3.1, Actual Software Corp. X-Sender: gdb@dbSystems.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu If the system says "no physical memory", try setting in plan9.ini: *kernelpercent=40 If you are using 640x480x8 try even less like 20. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 09:49:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08309 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:49:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006261349.JAA08305@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mach64 vga hell From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:49:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is perhaps a really stupid suggestion, but have you tried 640x480x1 ? This won't work. Although it would be easy to fix, Plan 9 on the PC needs 8 bits per pixel. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 09:54:00 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08531 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:54:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA08526 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006261353.JAA08526@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 28059 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2000 13:53:53 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 13:53:53 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? In-reply-to: Message from Michael Dingler of "Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:03:21 GMT."References: <39563128.462B2D3A@mindless.com> <200006251157.HAA19732@cse.psu.edu> <39563128.462B2D3A@mindless.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <28052.962027633.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:53:53 -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > There aren't that many puns on Ed Wood movies. General > alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? > ("Acme"). I always wondered if Acme was "as in Acme Tools, Inc. (c)" or as in "point of perfection." =) If someone ports gnome that person can call it Battlefield Bell Labs. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 10:09:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08992 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006261409.KAA08983@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:09:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu It's called Acme because it does everything. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 10:23:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09443 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:23:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from akbar.nevex.com (gate.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09439 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from akbar.nevex.com (IDENT:steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by akbar.nevex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09688 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:22:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200006261422.KAA09688@akbar.nevex.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:23:38 BST." <006001bfdf58$99d93bd0$6f64a8c0@blue> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:22:59 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu "Nigel Roles" wrote: > > alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? > > I don't think 'sam' implies a restriction to men's names. sam is actually short for Samantha From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 10:30:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09715 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:30:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09711 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user (eliot.prognet.com [208.147.89.91]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA23794 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000626073125.00930420@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 07:31:25 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? In-Reply-To: <200006261409.KAA08983@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I had assumed it was a word play on emacs!? At 10:09 AM 6/26/00 -0400, you wrote: >It's called Acme because it does everything. > >-rob > > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 10:34:57 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09932 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:34:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09918 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136ZoQ-0007OG-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:24:34 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:17:13 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006261353.JAA08526@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > There aren't that many puns on Ed Wood movies. General > alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? > ("Acme"). I always wondered if Acme was "as in Acme Tools, Inc. (c)" or as in "point of perfection." =) If someone ports gnome that person can call it Battlefield Bell Labs. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 10:43:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10384 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:43:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA10370 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:42:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006261442.KAA10370@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:42:52 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] NE2000 problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I get a kernel panic during installation as soon as the >download is about to be initiated. The problem seems >to be with the ne2000 driver; it outputs something >like: 'panic crda write'... to the screen. Try adding the option 'nodummyr' to the end of the plan9.ini line for the NE2000 (see plan9.ini(8)). There are also new options to the ec2t (NE2000 'compatible' PCMCIA card) configuration to allow it to be tried with cards we haven't tried ourselves. We'd appreciate feedback on any cards it works with. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 10:45:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10548 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:45:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10539 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136a85-0006IU-0C for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:44:53 +0000 Message-ID: <005801bfdf7c$f9a174f0$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006261422.KAA09688@akbar.nevex.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:44:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Oh, I was leaving that as an exercise to the reader. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Kotsopoulos" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Monday, June 26, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? > "Nigel Roles" wrote: > > > alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? > > > > I don't think 'sam' implies a restriction to men's names. > > sam is actually short for Samantha From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 10:46:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA10705 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:46:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lpnp69.in2p3.fr (root@lpnp69.in2p3.fr [193.48.100.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA10698 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from bertou@localhost) by lpnp69.in2p3.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA13440; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:46:42 +0200 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:46:42 +0200 Message-Id: <200006261446.QAA13440@lpnp69.in2p3.fr> From: bertou@lpnp69.in2p3.fr (Xavier Bertou) References: <200006142040.QAA08102@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000624204237.A970@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? Newsgroups: comp.os.plan9 X-Newsreader: Flrn (0.4.0 - 07/99) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20000624204237.A970@localhost.localdomain> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Ok so I managed to hack the install scripts to function without rio. > It wasnt too difficult and if anyone wants instructions on how I did > it feel free to email me. Hi... I have a 16 Mo old 586, and plan9 is supposed to run on it, but not the graphic installation. So if you have some easy way to install it without rio, I would be quite interested. -- Xavier From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 11:27:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11840 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:27:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11832 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:27:01 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006261527.LAA11832@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] NE2000 problems Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 11:26:59 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I wrote >Try adding the option 'nodummyr' to the end of the plan9.ini line >for the NE2000 (see plan9.ini(8)). That should be 'nodummyrr'. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 12:05:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13050 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:05:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr [192.33.156.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13029 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jm@localhost) by hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27518 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:14:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 18:14:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean Mehat Message-Id: <200006261614.SAA27518@hon.ai.univ-paris8.fr> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu forsyth wrote: > amongst other things it would provide a web browser (Charon). > that's the one we use under Plan 9. Under Plan 9, in plumb(6), there is an allusion to a command named webbrowser. This command is used at BellLabs, or is it a virtual command (Yet To Be Implemented) ? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 12:32:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13810 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:32:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA13805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006261632.MAA13805@cse.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:32:13 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 'page' bottom-top turning troubles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Typing 'u' in page causes the whole system to freeze while it does the rotation; it will come back once the rotation has happened. There are a number of problems here, most of them my fault. First, page is using the draw(3) driver to do the actual rotation. It uses O(log Dx+log Dy) draw operations to make the driver rotate the image in memory, rather than sucking down all the bits, performing the operation itself, and sending them back. This was a big win for previewing bitmaps over remote lines when I wrote that code, and it still is, usually. The draw driver is single-threaded, mainly to avoid deadlock when trying to acquire exclusive access to the images in question, or the underlying data structures. Combine this with the fact that calls to the draw driver are buffered by libdraw, so that page queues up its entire list of commands and sends them in one big swoop to the driver. Now the driver sits and rotates the image, doing nothing else until it is done. This would not be a problem except that the draw operator is very hard to implement efficiently for the general case. The strategy then was to get a decent general case and have code that handles most of the common cases very efficiently. Copying >= 8-bit images around via boolean masks was special cased, but copying < 8-bit images via boolean masks was not, so you're getting hit by the general case code for what is quite a lot of computation. If you view an 8-bit image or a true color image, u is much much faster. When someone else noticed this problem a while ago, I started to write the special code for exactly the case you are running into, and I got disgusted by the fact that we constantly had to do this. That's why I started the on-the-fly x86 compiler to see how much of a win there was to be had in getting reasonable code without the hugeness of all the special cases. I had also hoped that the second pass through implementing the draw operator might lend some insights toward doing a portable one in a more efficient manner. As I said a couple weeks ago, I stopped working on the code generator version at some point and never got back to it. So typing u is still embarrassingly slow on < 8-bit images. So that's the cause; the only quick solution at present is to view a higher-depth image. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 12:53:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA14380 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:53:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vitanuova.com ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA14372 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:52:59 -0400 (EDT) From: rog@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006261652.MAA14372@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:56:06 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Please tell me also if there is any implementation of .Tk > library/language on Plan9 ? I looked at Limbo examples of GUI > programming using .Tk, they are quite nice. It would be great to > have similar language (may be in form of fileserver, heh) in Plan9. for programming graphical "widget-based" apps (most plan 9 apps are not) tk is indeed nice. but it's not available for plan 9 directly. one thing that makes the use of the inferno tk particularly nice is the inbuilt support that Limbo has for strings. using a similar interface from C would make life markedly harder. > (may be in form of fileserver, heh) this would actually be possible (would give something of a performance hit though). if you had a copy of inferno, you could write a limbo app that served a two-level filesystem containing one directory per top level window, each containing a cmd file (writes send a tk command; reads get the return value of the last tk command) and event files, one per tk channel (reads get incoming events). something like the above might work. (given a styx<->9p bridge) but i'd just use inferno (i would say that, of course!), because i like limbo and in particular i like the fact that once i've written an app, it will run without change on plan 9, Windows, Linux or a screen phone. having used limbo for a while, it seems so laborious to go back to C. > Why I stress on Plan9 more than Inferno, that's because Plan9, > say so, is more free (in money sense) than Inferno, especially as > to availability of native OS and its full source. well, it's true that the source to plan 9 costs less than inferno, but a) you don't need access to kernel source when developing under hosted inferno (and all the other source is free) b) if you've got plan 9 running, then inferno will just work as usual. c) if you want to port the native kernel to a new device, then i'd suggest that $300 is not unreasonable (about 4 orders of magnitude cheaper than it was before...!) compared to all the other incidental costs involved. if you get a copy of the CD & manuals we're producing, i think we're going to include in that a copy of inferno for plan 9. cheers, rog. (my views, not vita nuova's) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 14:04:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16529 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:04:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from gollum.esys.ca (dhcp198-75.esys.ca [198.161.92.75]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16514 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 14:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lyndon@localhost) by gollum.esys.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e5QI3nW59864; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 12:03:49 -0600 (MDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? References: <200006142040.QAA08102@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000624204237.A970@localhost.localdomain> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Date: 26 Jun 2000 12:03:49 -0600 In-Reply-To: druid@stonecircle.freeserve.co.uk's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2000 20:15:06 GMT" Message-ID: <86r99ke2uy.fsf@gollum.esys.ca> Lines: 3 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.6 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I would be very interested in seeing your rio-less install notes. --lyndon From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 15:54:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19334 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:54:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19320 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-205.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.27.205] helo=localhost.localdomain) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 136ex8-0000jA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:53:54 +0100 Received: (from rjb108@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) id UAA00673 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:49:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:49:22 +0100 From: "R. J. Bradley" To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] kfs and unknown command plus dossrv Message-ID: <20000626204922.B663@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0us X-BadReturnPath: rjb108@localhost.localdomain rewritten as druid@stonecircle.freeserve.co.uk using "From" header Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi I have occasionaly turned my machine off without issuing disk/kfscmd halt and I seem to some random corruption appear in files from time to time. Its in files that I am not writing to so I wouldnt have though there would be a problem with data not being flushed to disk. It shows itself up as the string 'unknown command' being inserted into various files. I found quite a lot in the headers in /sys/include which stoped me compiling till I could copy accross new headers. Is kds realy this sensetive to not being halted properly ? On a second note does dossrv do any unix to dos LF translation ? I ask because I have been using my dos drives to transfer files between linux and plan9 and this conversion seems to be happening quite often. I tried to copy accross a tar archive of headers to fix the above problem but the arcive seems to have been translated and therefor tar wont work with it. It could be the linux fs server but Ive not noticed any problems with it in the past. Robin From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 15:54:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19378 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:54:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.172]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA19373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 15:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-205.nickel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.27.205] helo=localhost.localdomain) by cmailg2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 136exH-0000jA-00; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:54:04 +0100 Received: (from rjb108@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) id UAA00670; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:41:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:41:56 +0100 From: "R. J. Bradley" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installing without graphics ? Message-ID: <20000626204156.A663@localhost.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006142040.QAA08102@smtp1.fas.harvard.edu> <20000624204237.A970@localhost.localdomain> <86r99ke2uy.fsf@gollum.esys.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0us In-Reply-To: <86r99ke2uy.fsf@gollum.esys.ca>; from lyndon@messagingdirect.com on Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 12:03:49PM -0600 X-BadReturnPath: rjb108@localhost.localdomain rewritten as druid@stonecircle.freeserve.co.uk using "From" header Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since a few people requested them Ill post them here. Getting the install scripts to run without rio present is not a major task but it requires a bit of ed or sed to prune the scripts. The install scripts seem to live in /rc/bin/dist and I had to hack 4 or 5 of them to get plan9 to install with the plan9.9gz file located on my windows c: drive but it should work for any local disk install. If you install via network you might need to prune the network install scripts as well. The two things you need to do are remove any lines that send commands to /dev/wctl (there are two in defs) as there is no rio to service these requests. You also need to remove any redirection of output that goes to /srv/log, I just removed the >>/srv/log and >>[2]/src/log bits from the scripts so that they echo to the screen where I can see whats going on. I think /srv/log is provided by a process rio runs so that it can have a log window for the install. The files I hacked were configlocal defs mountfs reamfs unpack And then you can run mainloop which will guide you through the process of installing almost like if rio was running. I have attatched an rc script that might make the changes I have discussed here to the right files and then run mainloop. However I have not tested this. It should give you an example of the sed code I used however. You can copy the script to your c: drive if you have windows and mount it by typing c: at the rc prompt and then accessing the script from /n/c: or you could try copying it to the plan9 install floppy and mounting it from there using a: at the rc prompt and then use /n/a: to access it. I hope that this help people install without rio. However the system is a pain to use without rio as there is no real terminal handleing. I'm starting to be able to use ed for a few things now which is quite worrying. I must recomend the b command though under ed as the install disks dont include p for viewing scripts. So load the scripts in ed and use 1b to start viewing the file a screen at a time. You could try exporting the scripts to your c: drive and then editing them there which might be easier. Hope this helps Robin --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=mod #!/bin/rc cd /rc/bin/dist mv configlocal configlocal.o sed 's/\>\>\[2\]\/srv\/log//' configlocal.o > configlocal mv defs defs.o sed 's/\>\>\/srv\/log//' defs.o > defs mv defs defs.o sed '/\/dev\/wctl/d' defs.o > defs mv mountfs mountfs.o sed 's/\>\>\[2\]\/srv\/log//' mountfs.o > mountfs mv reamfs reamfs.o sed 's/\>\>\[2\]\/srv\/log//' reamfs.o > reamfs mv unpack unpack.o sed 's/\>\>\/srv\/log//' unpack.o > unpack ./mainloop --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 16:27:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA20356 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:27:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA20352 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006262026.QAA20352@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 29242 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2000 20:26:55 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 26 Jun 2000 20:26:55 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] kfs and unknown command plus dossrv In-reply-to: Message from "R. J. Bradley" of "Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:49:22 BST."References: <20000626204922.B663@localhost.localdomain> <20000626204922.B663@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <29235.962051214.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 13:26:55 -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Is kds realy this sensetive to not being halted properly ? If you wish to simply turn off a terminal, with no prep, set up a file server. As with any OS that has active processes in the background, if you want to turn if off you need to sync the fs. Having a seperate file server means you don't need to worry when just shutting down the terminal. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 17:05:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21333 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:05:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA21329 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006262105.RAA21329@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: Anybody ported Limbo to Plan9 ? From: "rob pike" Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:05:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu We mostly use Charon, the Inferno web browser, but we don't have permission to redistribute it. Vita Nuova sounds like they might. We also have some webby work in progress, but not ready for zeta test, let alone beta. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 17:08:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21467 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:08:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21463 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136ftV-00041y-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 21:54:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:47:08 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006262026.QAA20352@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] kfs and unknown command plus dossrv Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Is kds realy this sensetive to not being halted properly ? If you wish to simply turn off a terminal, with no prep, set up a file server. As with any OS that has active processes in the background, if you want to turn if off you need to sync the fs. Having a seperate file server means you don't need to worry when just shutting down the terminal. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 17:20:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA21910 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:20:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mallorn.advancedsolutions.com (root@mallorn.advancedsolutions.com [216.3.74.86]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA21906 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucho@localhost) by mallorn.advancedsolutions.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06911 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:20:14 -0400 Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 17:20:14 -0400 From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000626172014.A6898@gmx.net> Reply-To: Latchesar Ionkov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu subscribe lucho@gmx.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 22:59:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA26878 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:59:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA26873 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 22:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user ([172.21.104.107]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA12155 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 19:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000626200037.008f5df0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:00:37 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: [9fans] rio's racing arrow! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On one of the machines running plan9 (P133, Matrox Millennium VGA/VBE BIOS V2.2) rio's pointer arrow races from the top of the screen to the bottom as if the mouse is being dragged down rapidly. This is a continuos cycle. This visual artifact does not seem to have any effect on rio's idea of where the pointer is; Also the racing effects the vertical position of the pointer only. It didn't cause any problems during the install. P.S. I set this card to use the same entry as the "Matrox/Millennium VGA/VBE BIOS (V2.5)" in vgadb. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 23:06:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27095 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:06:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27091 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (pool-207-205-222-13.pbgh.grid.net [207.205.222.13]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05363 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fuji.homenet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fuji.homenet (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:06:20 -0400 Message-Id: <200006270306.XAA23750@fuji.homenet> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio's racing arrow! In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Jun 2000 20:00:37 PDT." <3.0.5.32.20000626200037.008f5df0@mail.real.com> Reply-to: Stephen Wynne Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:06:20 -0400 From: Stephen Wynne Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In message <3.0.5.32.20000626200037.008f5df0@mail.real.com>, Skip Tavakkolian writes: On one of the machines running plan9 (P133, Matrox Millennium VGA/VBE BIOS V2.2) rio's pointer arrow races from the top of the screen to the bottom as if the mouse is being dragged down rapidly. I have had the same problem on one of our systems at CMU; the Labs people don't seem to have adequate documentation for this card. I haven't had time to look at how XFree86 handles the unit, but that's one place we could start. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 23:50:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA27935 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:50:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA27930 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:50:36 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006270350.XAA27930@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:51:25 +0900 Subject: [9fans] diskless terminal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm planning to have two file servers of release 2 and 3, and a auth server (if possible) and terminals, Suns for release 2, PCs for release 3. For PCs I expect to switch relase by different booting floppies. I have two file servers up, andesite(release 2) and gabbro(release 3). I also have two diskless auth/cpu servers for relase 2(rhyolite) and release 3(diabase). These works fine, I suppose. When I login to a release 2 terminal, and dispatch a command say term% rx diabase man dhcpd then, I have man pages for release 3 from release 3 file server (gabbro). When I dispatch telnet command to a machine outside the Plan 9 system, then it's successfull connection to the machine. From these observations I suppose my release 3 auth/cpu server is working fine. However, when I tried to boot release 3 terminal from a PC, I get never success. When I tried to boot from 9load only floppy, I have bootp timed out. When I tried to boot from 9load +9pc.gz, after root is from: message I have boot: can't connect to file server: connection timed out (connect 192.168.1.10!17008) panic: boot process died: unknown I'm in stuck. What am doing wrong? I probably don't understand the 9LOAD mechanism... Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Mon Jun 26 23:57:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28148 for 9fans-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:57:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136mEy-0000Y5-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:40:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 03:25:14 GMT From: stevemw@mindspring.com (Stephen Wynne) Message-ID: <200006270306.XAA23750@fuji.homenet> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list References: <3.0.5.32.20000626200037.008f5df0@mail.real.com> Reply-To: Stephen Wynne Subject: Re: [9fans] rio's racing arrow! Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In message <3.0.5.32.20000626200037.008f5df0@mail.real.com>, Skip Tavakkolian writes: On one of the machines running plan9 (P133, Matrox Millennium VGA/VBE BIOS V2.2) rio's pointer arrow races from the top of the screen to the bottom as if the mouse is being dragged down rapidly. I have had the same problem on one of our systems at CMU; the Labs people don't seem to have adequate documentation for this card. I haven't had time to look at how XFree86 handles the unit, but that's one place we could start. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 00:33:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA28806 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:33:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA28802 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006270433.AAA28802@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:34:16 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hmm.. my broken English as usual! >When I dispatch telnet command to a machine outside the Plan 9 system, I dispatched telnet command from the release 3 auth/cpu server (diabase), and got success. >boot: can't connect to file server: connection timed out (connect 192.168.1.10!17008) 192.168.1.10 is the release file server gabbro. >What am doing wrong? I DON't want to correct this. :-) Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 04:41:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA01763 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA01759 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:41:29 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006270841.EAA01759@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 17:42:20 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu And the following is tthe debugging info... PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs using fd0!dos!plan9.ini copy eaddr from eeprom...ether#0: elnk3: port 0x280 irq 10: xxxxxxxxxxxx upsend xxxxxxxxxxxx to ffffffffffff... transmit...send...upsend xxxxxxxxxxxx to ffffffffffff ..... ..... 9 lines of same above bootp timed out Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:04:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02155 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:04:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA02151 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:04:52 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006270904.FAA02151@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:05:43 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu When I boot release 2 b.com from the same termianl machine (192.168.1.5), I got the following log on our release 3 auth/cpu server(192.168.1.11): dhcp: bootp 0.0.0.0->192.168.1.11 from hwa01_xxxxxxxxxxxx via 192.1681.1.11 dhcp: bootp reply to: 192.168.1.5 /386/9pc via 192.168.1.5 dhcp: bootp 0.0.0.0->192.168.1.11 from hwa01_xxxxxxxxxxxx via 192.168.1.11 dhcp: p9bootp: 192.168.1.5 dhcp: bootp reply to: 192.168.1.5 /386/9pc via 192.168.1.5: p9 255.255.255.255.0 192.168.1.10 192.168.1.11 192.168.1.3 And I have release 2 window system on the machine. However, when I boot from release 3 9load, I have no record of such logs on the auth/cpu server machine. PS. all the xxxxxxxxxxxx should be read as a real ether address and is correctly recognized. Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:05:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02246 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:05:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02210 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136r6U-0002su-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:52:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:32:02 GMT From: Nathaniel Banks Message-ID: Organization: Western Michigan University Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] How do I edit vgadb? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Well, I made it through installing Plan 9 by editing /lib/vgadb in MS Windows. The install completed, and now I need to make the same change to the installed system's /lib/vgadb. At user[none], if I enter glenda, the system can't start the gui, and when I ls, I get an incomplete file structure listed. If I just choose none, if I type in ed to try and edit anything, I just get a line that says ?TMP, and another % prompt. Any ideas on what I might have missed? Nathaniel Banks Political Science Major Western Michigan University From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:05:53 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02253 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136r6T-0002si-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:52:21 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:31:17 GMT From: Michael Dingler Message-ID: <3957965F.1E4D3C7B@mindless.com> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <006001bfdf58$99d93bd0$6f64a8c0@blue>, <200006261422.KAA09688@akbar.nevex.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > > alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? > > > > I don't think 'sam' implies a restriction to men's names. > > sam is actually short for Samantha Hmm, I remember seeing the name "jim" mentioned in the original paper, where did that came from then, "jimpanzees"? ...Michael... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:06:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02283 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:06:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02243 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136r6T-0002so-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:52:21 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:31:39 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8j84qr$2mn9$10@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <200006261632.MAA13805@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 'page' bottom-top turning troubles Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > cases very efficiently. Copying >= 8-bit > images around via boolean masks was special > cased, but copying < 8-bit images via boolean > masks was not, so you're getting hit by the > general case code for what is quite a lot > of computation. If you view an 8-bit image > or a true color image, u is much much faster. Yes I view in 800x600x8bits mode, my videocard is a kind of S3Trio64 (Trio64V2). > So typing u is still embarrassingly slow > on < 8-bit images. I have exactly 8 bits per pixel. It is 'gs' output viewed by 'page', hope its depth is not less than 8 ? > So that's the cause; the only quick solution > at present is to view a higher-depth image. Unfortunately my videocard does not seem to work in 16 or more bpps, as 'supported hardware' reads. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:09:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02658 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:09:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA02642 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136r6S-0002sc-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:52:20 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:30:53 GMT From: "Srinivasa, Balaji" Message-ID: <3957936F.A433276F@ca.com> Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] SD53C8xx and Plan-9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu [I have been having trouble posting to a Typhoon based NNTP server...] But, I just got a new Tekram DC-390F SCSI card and I am trying to get Plan-9 installed w/o much success. WHen I boot the boot happens but I see the following message "SD53C8XX: differential mode set" repeated 16 times both during the intial boot up phase and during the install from floppy phase. Later Rio does come up, but 'pickdisk' fails with 'no disk found'! I have 2 SCSI drives which are S-II and S-III, single-ended. Anything I can try? thanks balaji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:19:34 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA02954 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:19:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA02950 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:19:30 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006270919.FAA02950@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:20:22 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] SD53C8xx and Plan-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >I just got a new Tekram DC-390F SCSI card and I am trying to get Plan-9 >installed w/o much success. This card works very fine for file server! :-) Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:48:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03462 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:48:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03458 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk ([158.152.225.204]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136ryQ-0007x5-0Y for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:48:06 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:39:12 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Message-Id: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wladimir Mutel writes: Suppose I have basic Plan9 setup (9pcdisk). I log on to its terminal server under my own user name. How then do I give my file- and cpu-services to my unix colleagues, provided they have 9term and wish to connect to my host to know some more about Plan9 ? I think what your Unix colleagues want is not 9term but drawterm(8), "a program that users of non-Plan 9 systems can use to establish graphical cpu(1) connections with Plan 9 CPU servers". The normal way to export the cpu and auth services needed by drawterm is to configure your machine as a cpu server. It is possible to make a Plan 9 terminal listen on cpu and ticket (authentication) ports, but this is not the way Plan 9 is designed to be used. See below... How then do I make a secure file server of my local harddisk (with some use restrictions for disk/kfscmd)? Now anybody can log on locally to terminal server under any name and make anything with local filesystem with kfscmd ! Nothing similar is observed for any unix installation, why is it so insecure under Plan9 ? A normal "production" Plan 9 network is more secure than the average Unix system, because of the separation of file service, cpu service, and user access onto separate machines. A Plan 9 file server (presumably kept behind a locked door) exports only one service to the outside world, which is subject to authentication by a trusted machine. You can't log in to the file server remotely or exploit flaws in obscure network services to run malicious programs there -- in fact the file server can't run anything which is not built into its kernel. A cpu server is a shared system, but can only be accessed via an external connection authenticated by a trusted machine, with no superuser or setuid to break through the separation between user resources, and no chance of bypassing file protections by accessing disk devices directly because they are attached to the file server. Finally, the only machine under physical control of the user is the Plan 9 terminal, which is a intended as a single-user resource, not a server; its local disk, if any, is for swapping and cacheing of temporary copies of files. Subsequent users "login" to a terminal by rebooting from the network, so they know they are talking to a fresh instance of Plan 9 and not to a login spoofing program which a previous user has left running to collect passwords... The real "basic Plan9 setup" -- i.e. the minimal configuration intended to export and use services on a network -- uses at least three machines. The stand alone terminal with a local kfs is a compromise, and doesn't pretend to be secure. I would point out that security is mostly illusory for just about any stand alone machine which is physically accessible, whatever the operating system. Most Unix PC's can be booted in single user mode, or booted from a floppy with a specially doctored kernel. I haven't used Solaris lately, but I know I used to be able to put a Sun into super-user mode in a few seconds by using the ROM monitor to alter a few bytes in kernel memory. I know I need to rebuild a kernel, but among different kernel configurations I did not find one I want. Really, what if I do not want, or simply am unable, to dedicate spare headless machine for file serving (for example, since not having one) ? Yes, it can be useful to make a cpu server act as a file server too; despite the above sermon I admit that I do it sometimes. The distributed system allows for this by using exportfs(4) -- just rename _il17008 and _tcp564 in /rc/bin/service to il17008 and tcp564. But this doesn't provide authentication, and exportfs is rather inefficient and tends to run out of resources. So I've implemented a kfscmd which tells kfs to export a fully authenticated file service to the network. Russ Cox is currently trying this out, so my changes may find their way into the standard system; if not, I can post them to 9fans. I just have a strongest wish for single host to be file and cpu server at the same time, and to become also a terminal server whenever whoever wants to log on it locally (like X-server with xdm). (and to log off it by stopping terminal server but keeping cpu and file servers running). Some years ago, Vadim Antonov posted changes to make a cpu server act as a terminal for successive users -- init(8) reads and authenticates a user name, and control of resources is split between #c/termowner (screen, keyboard, mouse and floppy) and #c/hostowner (everything else). So this is feasible too. But I think it's worthwhile to spend some time getting to know Plan 9 as it is before rushing to make it more like Unix. -- Richard Miller From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 05:57:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03672 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:57:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03668 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 05:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 136s7d-000JCh-0A for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:57:37 +0000 Message-ID: <007201bfe01e$02265310$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3957936F.A433276F@ca.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] SD53C8xx and Plan-9 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:56:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I supplied a 'fix' for this to the labs. I guess the answer is, stand by.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Srinivasa, Balaji" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: [9fans] SD53C8xx and Plan-9 > [I have been having trouble posting to a Typhoon based NNTP server...] > > But, > > I just got a new Tekram DC-390F SCSI card and I am trying to get Plan-9 > installed w/o much success. > > WHen I boot the boot happens but I see the following message > > "SD53C8XX: differential mode set" repeated 16 times both during the > intial boot up phase and during the install from floppy phase. > > Later Rio does come up, but 'pickdisk' fails with 'no disk found'! > > I have 2 SCSI drives which are S-II and S-III, single-ended. > > > Anything I can try? > > > > thanks > balaji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 06:23:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04078 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:23:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04074 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136sN5-0004bk-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:11:52 GMT From: Holger Veit Message-ID: Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany References: Reply-To: holger.veit@gmd.de Subject: [9fans] Re: How do I edit vgadb? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:32:02 GMT, Nathaniel Banks wrote: >Well, I made it through installing Plan 9 by editing /lib/vgadb in MS >Windows. The install completed, and now I need to make the same change to >the installed system's /lib/vgadb. At user[none], if I enter glenda, the >system can't start the gui, and when I ls, I get an incomplete file >structure listed. If I just choose none, if I type in ed to try and edit >anything, I just get a line that says ?TMP, and another % prompt. > >Any ideas on what I might have missed? Use glenda as the user, and do chmod 775 /usr/glenda/tmp Unfortunately, 'ed' is the tool of choice in this case, unless you have a second machine: in this case copy the /lib/vgadb to the DOS formatted floppy (use a: and cp /lib/vgadb /n/a:) and edit the file on the remote host. Holger -- begin LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.txt.vbs You are using dangerous junk software which will arbitrarily interpret fully valid text. Get rid of this garbage and use correctly working software. end From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 06:54:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04489 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:54:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from theo.physik.uni-bremen.de (root@theo.physik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.192.10]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA04485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 06:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sbosse@localhost) by theo.physik.uni-bremen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id MAA20054 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:48:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:48:33 +0200 (MEST) From: Stefan Bosse To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan9 Boot Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have installed yesterday the Plan9 System (17 june release) on my PC-machine (6x86MXII,32MB, 540 MB HD...). I have made a boot floppy and made the plan9 partition bootable. After successfull installation I leave the system with the "finish" command and reboot. But, then the surprise: Booting the plan9 system (from LILO) doesen't succeed with message like: PBS... I/O Error/Format error... Ok, I thought, it will work with the boot floppy; but what another surprise: PBS... Exception/Trap 0.... (or similar) I made the complete installation again, but without success!!! What's wrong with this system ??? The install floppy started correctly, but not the boot floppy made by the installation script. Have anybody an idea ??? Stefan Bosse University of Bremen, Germany From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 07:20:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA04902 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:20:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA04898 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006271120.HAA04898@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How do I edit vgadb? From: "rob pike" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:20:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu If I just choose none, if I type in ed to try and edit anything, I just get a line that says ?TMP, and another % prompt. /tmp is unwritable; you're expected to mount a writable directory there. The easiest way to do this is to type ramfs before running ed. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 08:35:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05891 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:35:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05885 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136uWP-0001gq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:31:21 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:30:59 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8ja5gp$2126$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk wrote: > I think what your Unix colleagues want is not 9term but drawterm(8), > "a program that users of non-Plan 9 systems can use to establish graphical > cpu(1) connections with Plan 9 CPU servers". Oh, thank you for correction. I checked mans on 9term and found that it is only local. drawterm is the program I indeed wanted to mean. > access onto separate machines. A Plan 9 file server (presumably kept behind > a locked door) exports only one service to the outside world, which is > subject to authentication by a trusted machine. You can't log in to the > file server remotely or exploit flaws in obscure network services to run > malicious programs there -- in fact the file server can't run anything which > is not built into its kernel. A cpu server is a shared system, but can Please explain what could I loss if I set up central file server on existing unix by u9fs ? I do not have spare machine to deploy full-blown fs(8) there. But, suppose, I do not need its backup facility and some other extended features. Can u9fs satisfy me then ? (provided I am aware of my unix security) > only be accessed via an external connection authenticated by a trusted > machine, with no superuser or setuid to break through the separation > between user resources, and no chance of bypassing file protections by > accessing disk devices directly because they are attached to the file server. To say, is there any cpu-server emulator for unixes ? It might be a great thing for deploying or migration to Plan9. > Finally, the only machine under physical control of the user is the Plan 9 > terminal, which is a intended as a single-user resource, not a server; its > local disk, if any, is for swapping and cacheing of temporary copies of files. Oh, but Bell Labs offer to download only that 'poor' configuration assuming that local harddisk holds entire main filesystem. Being on their place, I should in addition offer the following separate downloads: 1. the main file system image, the fs(8) kernel or u9fs software, and initial deployment instructions for both of them; 2. boot diskette image or instructions on network booting, documents on supported hardware for terminal servers, on proper usage of local hardisk, etc. 3. cpu server emulator for unix or windows (would be great, heh !) However I think I could make two first things by myself, using currently available distribution of Plan9. > Subsequent users "login" to a terminal by rebooting from the network, so > they know they are talking to a fresh instance of Plan 9 and not to a > login spoofing program which a previous user has left running to collect > passwords... So, does my above proposal lend a newcomer exactly on this 'proper' way ? To say, 'newcomers' often already have unixes or even networks of them. Like we do. > The real "basic Plan9 setup" -- i.e. the minimal configuration intended to > export and use services on a network -- uses at least three machines. > whatever the operating system. Most Unix PC's can be booted in single > user mode, or booted from a floppy with a specially doctored kernel. Yes, you are about real physical security. I know well that somebody can boot from diskette and mount my unix fs anyway, but I simply do not consider this case now. Really, local kfs filesystem is good only for transient data, but we usually have quite large harddisk on every modern PC workstation - can we ever generate such amount of transient files or swap per single terminal server session ? That is a main question for me. > to run out of resources. So I've implemented a kfscmd which tells kfs > to export a fully authenticated file service to the network. Russ Cox is > currently trying this out, so my changes may find their way into the > standard system; if not, I can post them to 9fans. Yes, this could be a step increasing 'household' usability of Plan9. > Some years ago, Vadim Antonov posted changes to > make a cpu server act as a terminal for successive users -- init(8) reads > and authenticates a user name, and control of resources is split between > #c/termowner (screen, keyboard, mouse and floppy) and #c/hostowner > (everything else). So this is feasible too. But I think it's worthwhile > to spend some time getting to know Plan 9 as it is before rushing to make > it more like Unix. Ok, thanks. The root of all my grief is that I just do not have enough spare computers to deploy 'real' Plan9 on them :> -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 08:35:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA05890 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:35:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA05879 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 136uWN-0001gj-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:31:19 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 12:17:29 GMT From: David Evers Message-ID: <39587DDD.D049B444@uk.research.att.com> Organization: AT&T Laboratories Cambridge Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 sd53c8xx vs. sym53c875r3 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi - I'm trying to bring Plan 9 up on a PII/SE440BX with a SCSI disk attached to a Symbios 53c875 rev. 3 controller. It sort of half works, in a way that makes me suspect problems in the sd driver. I was wondering if you (as the author) might have any insights into what to do next. By "half works", I mean: - the June 17th install floppy can see the disk, runs rio and installs all the bits apparently correctly - a boot floppy created by that install can see the disk, 9fat, plan9.ini etc. and successfully boots the kernel - we get to /rc/bin/termrc, get through the ipconfig stuff, then when we bind '#S', one of two things happen, depending on the recent boot history of the machine: - from power off, or on the first ctl-alt-del from the install floppy, the bind '#S' pauses for a minute or so, then the rest of termrc fails with a number of "test: exec header invalid" messages. The kernel seems healthy enough (^T^T commands ok) but of course we never make it to rio. - sometimes, in circumstances that I can't pin down completely but believe to be deterministic, it all works just fine: we get to rio as glenda and experience no further (visible) problems. (For instance, cold booting the install floppy, then ctl-alt-del to the boot floppy, then when that hangs ctl-alt-del to the boot floppy again seems to work reliably). Poking around from the install floppy rio session, it seems that there's nothing wrong with the bits on the disk (xd test looks ok). So I'm wondering if there's a problem with the 53c875 setup. The same machine works fine under Linux; the README for the Linux driver mentions that it works around various chip bugs. The one that caught my eye was: "This problem is described in SYMBIOS DEL 397, Part Number 69-039241, ITEM 4. In some complex situations, 53C875 chips revision <= 3 may start a PCI Write and Invalidate Command at a not cache-line-aligned 4 DWORDS boundary. This is only possible when Cache Line Size is 8 DWORDS or greater. Pentium systems use a 8 DWORDS cache line size and so are concerned by this chip bug, unlike i486 systems that use a 4 DWORDS cache line size. When this situation occurs, the chip may complete the Write and Invalidate command after having only filled part of the last cache line involved in the transfer, leaving to data corruption the remainder of this cache line." And the Linux driver dutifully makes sure to clear the WRIE bit in the ctest3 register. Do you think this is likely to be the cause of my problem? Would I be able to turn this off from the on-card BIOS? (The Plan 9 driver doesn't seem to touch this particular bit.) Am I wrong to suspect the driver at all? Thanks for any hints you can give! Cheers, ---- Dave From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 08:51:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA06659 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:51:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from minster.cs.york.ac.uk (minster.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.40.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA06654 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 13:46:34 +0100 From: James Carter Subject: [9fans] reamfs strangitude To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu still not having a working gfx card i've been trying to get some of the install done without rio, using a method similar to , but not as effective as, robin bradley's. pick, part and prepdisk all work fine, but when it attempts to ream the filesystem i get the following error: echo: write error: xterm: Error 50, errno 1: Too big /srv/log: rc: can't open the /srv/log bit is because my rio-less install is not perfect but the xterm(?!) error is puzzling. my plan9 partition is a little over a gigabyte. what is too big? -- J.F.Carter From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 10:28:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA08622 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:28:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA08618 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25972 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 23:28:35 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 23:28:35 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 136wLr-0005ca-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:28:35 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] [Q] how to generate PostScript file containing non-English characters MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 27 Jun 2000 23:28:35 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.6 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Subject: says everything. troff -man foo | lp -dstdout > foo.ps prints series of /386/bin/aux/tr2post: :3963 :WARNING: cannot find glyph, rune=0x3002 stoken=<..> troff font LuciaSans ... The file foo contains Japanese encoded in UTF. How can I install Japanese font? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 10:49:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA09098 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:49:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09094 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006271449.KAA09094@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [Q] how to generate PostScript file containing non-English characters From: "rob pike" Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:49:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu The file foo contains Japanese encoded in UTF. How can I install Japanese font? Place your Japanese characters in font Jp (e.g. \f(Jpã“ã‚“ã«ã¡ã¯ 世界\fP) and run troff like this: troff -man -mnihongo foo | lp -dstdout > foo.ps Look at the document /sys/doc/utf.ms to see this in action. -rob From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 11:13:28 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09777 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03345 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006271513.LAA03345@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I have been trying cpu/auth standalone server machine. Did the steps in getting started (before the reboot). Booted the machine, it boots (one message rc: null list in concatenation and of course rio does not start) machine seem ok, I can ftpfs/telnet out. At auth/changeuser bootes (problem occurs, dialog shown below..) Password: xxx Confirm password: xxx assign Inferno/POP secret (y/n) y make it same as the plan9 passwd? (y/n) y Expiration date(YYYYMMDD or never)[return=never]: changeuser: can't create user bootes: access permission denied % Any ideas? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 11:20:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA10071 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:20:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bromine.myriadgate.net (openbsd.myriadgate.net [139.142.42.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA10067 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29285 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 15:17:06 -0000 Received: from xenon.myriadgate.net (HELO mail.usask.ca) (andrey@192.168.120.7) by bromine.myriadgate.net with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 15:17:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3958C570.BF821B8F@mail.usask.ca> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 09:17:04 -0600 From: Andrey Mirtchovski X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. References: <200006271513.LAA03345@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Ish Rattan wrote: > Password: xxx > Confirm password: xxx > assign Inferno/POP secret (y/n) y > make it same as the plan9 passwd? (y/n) y > Expiration date(YYYYMMDD or never)[return=never]: > changeuser: can't create user bootes: access permission denied > % I am having exactly the same problem with my install (it's a single machine one). I managed to find out that I lack the $auth environment var, which termrc sets from $sysname. I edited locate in order for ndb/cs to be able to set $sysname but I still get the permission denied problem. Probably all you need to do is set $auth to the machine which will do the authentication. Unfortunately though, having only a single computer to dedicate to plan9 I can't experiment with different servers and am stuck. Andrey From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 11:48:48 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11032 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:48:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp2.san.rr.com (smtp2.san.rr.com [24.25.195.39]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11021 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena ([204.210.5.129]) by smtp2.san.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with SMTP id com for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:44:39 -0700 Message-ID: <004101bfe0b3$5a2e1300$8105d2cc@san.rr.com> From: "Eric Dorman" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006261632.MAA13805@cse.psu.edu> <8j84qr$2mn9$10@pandora.alkar.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] 'page' bottom-top turning troubles Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:45:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wladimir Mutel" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2000 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] 'page' bottom-top turning troubles > Russ Cox wrote: [stuff] > Unfortunately my videocard does not seem to work in 16 or more > bpps, as 'supported hardware' reads. the Trio64V2 should do 1280x1024x8, 1024x768x16 and 800x600x24 (according to the doc); aux/vga just doesn't support the higher depth modes. i hope to tackle that one soon.. if you're interested in working on that i have the S3 docs (open disclosure) or you can get them from S3. > mwg@alkar.net regards, Eric Dorman edorman@san.rr.com From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 11:58:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11395 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:58:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA11389 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22248 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 00:58:21 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 00:58:21 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 136xkj-0005qQ-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:58:21 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [Q] how to generate PostScript file containing non-English characters References: <200006271449.KAA09094@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 28 Jun 2000 00:58:21 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200006271449.KAA09094@cse.psu.edu> (rob pike's message of "Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:08:19 GMT") Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.6 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id LAA11390 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes: > The file foo contains Japanese encoded in UTF. > How can I install Japanese font? > Place your Japanese characters in font Jp (e.g. \f(Jpã“ã‚“ã«ã¡ã¯ 世界\fP) > and run troff like this: > troff -man -mnihongo foo | lp -dstdout > foo.ps > Look at the document /sys/doc/utf.ms to see this in action. Thanks. That helped me. But the next difficulty is the swap size. tr2post says: swap space full. Can I change the swap size after installing Plan 9? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 19:08:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22059 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:08:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA22055 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:08:28 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006272308.TAA22055@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 00:07:31 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>machine one). I managed to find out that I lack the $auth environment >>var, which termrc sets from $sysname. it is not an environment variable (if we are talking about the same thing). it is a metaname interpreted by cs; see ndb(6). very roughly, cs(8) uses the value in the auth= entry closest to the host in question, considering the network, subnet and host entries in the /lib/ndb database files. see /lib/ndb/local.complicated for example and ndb(6), but read the latter carefully. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 20:40:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23345 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:40:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA23336 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:40:08 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006280040.UAA23336@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:39:52 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-eojhvrfgecwwxdpaponmyafnnu" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-eojhvrfgecwwxdpaponmyafnnu Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Was keyfs running? Was it mounted inthe namespace of the session you were running it in? Is /adm/keys owned by the same user netkey was running as and the as you were running as? --upas-eojhvrfgecwwxdpaponmyafnnu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Jun 27 11:28:32 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Tue Jun 27 11:28:31 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA09814; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:33 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09777 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03345 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 11:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006271513.LAA03345@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been trying cpu/auth standalone server machine. Did the steps in getting started (before the reboot). Booted the machine, it boots (one message rc: null list in concatenation and of course rio does not start) machine seem ok, I can ftpfs/telnet out. At auth/changeuser bootes (problem occurs, dialog shown below..) Password: xxx Confirm password: xxx assign Inferno/POP secret (y/n) y make it same as the plan9 passwd? (y/n) y Expiration date(YYYYMMDD or never)[return=never]: changeuser: can't create user bootes: access permission denied % Any ideas? - ishwar --upas-eojhvrfgecwwxdpaponmyafnnu-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Tue Jun 27 22:37:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA24928 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:37:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA24924 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 22:37:02 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006280237.WAA24924@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:37:49 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] [Q] how to generate PostScript file containing non-Eng lish characters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >and run troff like this: > troff -man -mnihongo foo | lp -dstdout > foo.ps ^^^^^^^ Wao! I love this switch parameter. ^_^ Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 03:20:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02086 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:20:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA02080 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23300 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2000 16:19:57 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Jun 2000 16:19:57 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 137C8W-00085D-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:19:52 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [Q] how to generate PostScript file containing non-English characters References: <200006271449.KAA09094@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 28 Jun 2000 16:19:52 +0900 In-Reply-To: (Hiroki Tamakoshi's message of "Tue, 27 Jun 2000 16:26:06 GMT") Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu hiroki-t@is.aist-nara.ac.jp (Hiroki Tamakoshi) writes: > rob@plan9.bell-labs.com (rob pike) writes: > > > troff -man -mnihongo foo | lp -dstdout > foo.ps > > But the next difficulty is the swap size. > tr2post says: swap space full. Re-installing Plan 9 with much swap size correct this problem. But the next thing to do is to improve the formatting policy of troff (or lp?), because the typesetted result is very strange. Hmm. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 04:53:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03166 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:53:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03160 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137DKD-0004fS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:36:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:27:01 GMT From: Steve Simon Message-ID: <39590A7B.AAAC2799@savan.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <006001bfdf58$99d93bd0$6f64a8c0@blue>, <200006261422.KAA09688@akbar.nevex.com>, <3957965F.1E4D3C7B@mindless.com> Reply-To: steve@savan.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Michael Dingler wrote: > > > > > alien stuff? Men's names ('sam'). Cartoon references? > > > > > > I don't think 'sam' implies a restriction to men's names. > > > > sam is actually short for Samantha > > Hmm, I remember seeing the name "jim" mentioned in the > original paper, where did that came from then, > "jimpanzees"? > > ...Michael... I could be wrong but I beleive it went: ed - The first Unix editor jim - a Mouse _only_ editor on the blit, where everything started with a 'j', somthing to do with a jerq but I never did find out what that was. sam - the end of editor evolution - perfection :-) -Steve From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 04:57:21 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03307 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:57:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03298 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137DKD-0004fY-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:36:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:27:37 GMT From: Rhialto Message-ID: Organization: Chello Broadband Subject: [9fans] Bootstrapping on Alpha Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'd like to try Plan 9 on my Alpha (PWS 433au), but there does not seem to be any way to bootstrap it. I would also be happy to run it on my VAX (VAXstation 3100 m38 with plenty of memory and disk). For (hopefully) obvious reasons, there are no intel cpus in my home. How do I do this? -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert - rhialto@polder -- Ah only did well at school \X/ land.nl -- tae git intae an O level class tae git away fae Begbie. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 04:57:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA03317 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:57:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA03303 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137DKE-0004fe-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:36:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:28:04 GMT From: Chris Locke Message-ID: <962176220.29034.0.nnrp-14.c2de4822@news.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <200006261409.KAA08983@cse.psu.edu>, <3.0.5.32.20000626073125.00930420@mail.real.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Skip Tavakkolian wrote in message news:3.0.5.32.20000626073125.00930420@mail.real.com... > I had assumed it was a word play on emacs!? > That would be MACES as in "to crack a nut" Chris. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 05:41:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA04116 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:41:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA04112 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cotswold.demon.co.uk ([194.222.75.186] helo=blue) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137ELi-000Pg4-0V; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <009901bfe0e4$f0903090$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: , <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <006001bfdf58$99d93bd0$6f64a8c0@blue>, <200006261422.KAA09688@akbar.nevex.com>, <3957965F.1E4D3C7B@mindless.com> <39590A7B.AAAC2799@savan.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:40:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > started with a 'j', somthing to do with a jerq > but I never did find out what that was. This is perhaps a pejorative reference to a certain expensive ICL bitmapped workstation. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 06:45:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA04770 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:45:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from minster.cs.york.ac.uk (minster.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.40.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA04766 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 06:45:32 -0400 (EDT) From: john@cs.york.ac.uk Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, john@cs.york.ac.uk Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:40:13 +0100 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Nigel Roles wrote in reply to someone asking about the `jerq': >> started with a 'j', somthing to do with a jerq >> but I never did find out what that was. > >This is perhaps a pejorative reference to a certain >expensive ICL bitmapped workstation. Which was designed and originally made, if I recall correctly, by a US company called `Three Rivers'(?). What I do remember is that I spent a lot of time reemplacing the drive belt of the internal 10Mb (?) disk of the several instances we had of the workstation in question; these had a tendency to come off in use. John A. Murdie From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 09:21:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA07177 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:21:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07173 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137HWt-0005l7-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:05:23 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:41:21 GMT From: Quinn Dunkan Message-ID: Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena Subject: [9fans] cc and more Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to port some unix programs to plan9, and having some odd problems with ape/cc and pcc. : /usr/quinn/c/t; cat >test.c main(){return(0);} : /usr/quinn/c/t; ape/cc -v -o test -lc test.c cpp -D__STDC__=1 -D_POSIX_SOURCE= -N -I/386/include/ape -I/sys/include/ape test.c | 8c -J -B -J -B -o libap.o 8l -o test -v /386/lib/ape/libap.a test.o HEADER = -H0x2 -T0x1020 -D0x0 -R0x1000 inuxi = 0 01 0123 fnuxi = 0123 01234567 0.00 ldobj: /386/lib/ape/libap.a [ ... loader noise ... ] ??none??: cannot open file: test.o cc: 8l: 8l 6104:error : /usr/quinn/c/t; /sys/src/ape/cmd/cc.c line 198 says append(&cc, changeext(objs.strings[i], "o")); I changed it to append(&cc, changeext(srcs.strings[i], "o")); and now things seem to work. The same applies to pcc. Also, plan9 won't run during the day. If I run it when it is still light outside, I quickly get random suicides, with strange results, including filesystem corruption, and the occaisional kernel panic. When I run it after hours all is fine. I'm adjusting my sleep schedule accordingly. I can only think of heat. It does get quite warm during the day, but linux on the same machine never has a problem. Perhaps plan9 uses the hardware or memory differently that is in some obscure way more sensitive to the heat. Also, booting plan9 with lilo works just fine, although there is a brief pause after 'PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs'. And... I'm getting corruption on certain files coming off of dos partitions. For example, the wrap.tgz update worked fine, but the 06070617.9gz doesn't come over as a valid gzip (works fine from linux, though). Someone else on the list mentioned something that sounded similar. And I'm happily using /dev/kbdmap since I can only type in dvorak. Thanks presotto! Unfortunately it doesn't work with control keys so well, since you can't tell the difference between '\010' produced by the backspace key and '\010' produced by ^H, so when you try to map ^H to ^D where it should go, things go wrong when you hit backspace. Oh well. Lastly, is there an official 9fans archive? I found one that goes back a little ways on mailgate.org, but maybe there's something better out there... And really lastly, what happened to ext2srv (or whatever) used on the install floppy? It doesn't seem to be in the distribution... thanks From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 09:50:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08065 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:50:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08061 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137I3T-0007QE-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:39:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:11:33 GMT From: peter_a_harris@my-deja.com Message-ID: <8jcs1o$632$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] Bare minimum vga support? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi I have a Trident TGUI9440 video card, which is not in vgadb, so I am a bit stuck. However, surely every PC at least does some minimal VGA without loading special drivers (or am I wrong about that?). Has anyone got an idea what lines I can add to vgadb to get plain VGA and thereby at least get the install done? Or should I wait a few years for Plan9 to start appearing on magazine cover discs? ;-) Thanks Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 11:05:36 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09911 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:05:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA09907 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137JDo-0001Nn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:53:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:50:32 GMT From: "Srinivasa, Balaji" Message-ID: <395A09DD.A20BECA3@ca.com> Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006261409.KAA08983@cse.psu.edu>, <3.0.5.32.20000626073125.00930420@mail.real.com>, <962176220.29034.0.nnrp-14.c2de4822@news.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > I had assumed it was a word play on emacs!? I like the man pages on EMACS(1) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 11:55:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA11672 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:55:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA11668 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:55:32 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk ([158.152.225.204]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137KBW-000NKi-0C for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:55:30 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:56:00 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Message-Id: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Wladimir Mutel writes: Please explain what could I loss if I set up central file server on existing unix by u9fs ? I do not have spare machine to deploy full-blown fs(8) there. But, suppose, I do not need its backup facility and some other extended features. Can u9fs satisfy me then ? u9fs will not work as root file system for diskless clients without some changes to the kernel. Since u9fs serves via tcp not il protocol, you would have to interpose something like aux/fcall to reconstruct 9p message boundaries. Also u9fs does not use Plan 9 authentication, but only the (joke) .rhosts file. So you would be leaving your Unix file system pretty wide open. To say, is there any cpu-server emulator for unixes ? It might be a great thing for deploying or migration to Plan9. Perhaps you should look at Inferno, which does run as an emulator on top of other operating systems. See http://www.vitanuova.com for info. -- Richard Miller From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 12:07:51 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12169 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:07:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12162 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: dhog@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006281607.MAA12162@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Bootstrapping on Alpha Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:07:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > I'd like to try Plan 9 on my Alpha (PWS 433au), but there does not seem > to be any way to bootstrap it. I would also be happy to run it on my VAX > (VAXstation 3100 m38 with plenty of memory and disk). For (hopefully) > obvious reasons, there are no intel cpus in my home. How do I do this? Please note that that the Alpha port currently only runs on the AlphaPC 164 (and perhaps a few close relatives). At the moment, the only way of booting it is via bootp/tftp (but I'm planning to address that limitation). If you don't have any 386-compatible cpus, you're going to have to get someone else to build all the alpha binaries for you. I think a PWS 433au is sufficiently like an AlphaPC 164 to work (it has a 21164 CPU and Pyxis (21174) core-logic, right?). There might need to be some tweaks for the core logic, I think the port has only been tested on the 21172 core logic. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 12:13:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12437 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:13:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from akbar.nevex.com (gate.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12431 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from akbar.nevex.com (IDENT:steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by akbar.nevex.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13690 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:13:13 -0400 Message-Id: <200006281613.MAA13690@akbar.nevex.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:56:00 -0000." Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:13:13 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk wrote: > u9fs will not work as root file system for diskless clients without some > changes to the kernel. Since u9fs serves via tcp not il protocol, you would > have to interpose something like aux/fcall to reconstruct 9p message > boundaries. is this something new with the 3rd edition? under 2nd edition I'm using a u9fs fileserver just fine From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 12:19:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12722 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:19:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA12716 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk ([158.152.225.204]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137KYN-0000uz-0A for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:19:07 +0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:21:55 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. Message-Id: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Ish Rattan writes: I have been trying cpu/auth standalone server machine. Did the steps in getting started (before the reboot). Booted the machine, it boots (one message rc: null list in concatenation This message goes away if you insert after 'ndb/cs' in /rc/bin/cpurc: sysname=`{cat /dev/sysname} -- Richard Miller From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 12:23:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA12963 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:23:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from bio.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA12959 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11339 invoked by uid 991); 28 Jun 2000 16:23:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000628162330.11337.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Official 9fans Archive In-Reply-To: Message from Quinn Dunkan of "Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:41:21 GMT." Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:23:30 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Lastly, is there an official 9fans archive? I found one that goes back a > little ways on mailgate.org, but maybe there's something better out there... Since 1993, http://www.cse.psu.edu/~schwartz/9fans/archives From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 12:51:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13904 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:51:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pixar.pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13898 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from marvin.pixar.com (marvin.pixar.com [138.72.30.83]) by pixar.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03784 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from td@localhost) by marvin.pixar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA383288; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tom Duff" Message-Id: <10006280950.ZM383063@marvin> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:50:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Nigel Roles" "Re: [9fans] SO for plan9?" (Jun 28, 10:40am) References: <006001bfdf58$99d93bd0$6f64a8c0@blue> <200006261422.KAA09688@akbar.nevex.com> <3957965F.1E4D3C7B@mindless.com> <39590A7B.AAAC2799@savan.demon.co.uk> <009901bfe0e4$f0903090$6f64a8c0@blue> Reply-To: td@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Cc: td@pixar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Jun 28, 10:40am, Nigel Roles wrote: > Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? > > started with a 'j', somthing to do with a jerq > > but I never did find out what that was. > > This is perhaps a pejorative reference to a certain > expensive ICL bitmapped workstation. I was there, so I know the story. When the Lucasfilm computer division was founded in 1980, we looked around for machines to use in animators' and artists' workstations, and seeing no other reasonable alternatives (Sun and SGI had not been founded yet) we picked the Three Rivers Computer Corporation's PERQ (ICL sold these in Britain.) These gadgets were closely modeled on the Xerox ALTO. They could address 2MB of memory, and had an 800x1024x1 bit display -- unheard-of in those days of PDP-11s and cursor- addressed terminals. My first job at Lucasfilm was to produce a C compiler for this machine. Until the compiler was written, the machine was really only good for running the canned trade-show demo that came with it. This was the usual travesty of industrial hyperbole, making bold claims and predictions that the actual hardware and software could live up to only in a marketeers imagination. It was inevitable that someone would hack the demo to tell the real truth, that the machine crashed all the time, that the microcode was full of bugs, that there was no software at all, in the funniest and most embarrassing manner possible. The revised demo referred to the machine as the Jerq. Some time in early 1981, Rob came to visit, saw the updated demo, and on his return to Bell Labs, stole the name to christen the similar beast that he and Bart Locanthi (and Dave Ditzel?) were working on. The J theme did run through all the jerq software names. The debugger was called joff (the Jerq Obscure Feature Finder), the editor was jim, the bitmap editor was jraw (or was that the schematic capture program?) -- Tom Duff. You can't go anywhere without roots. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 13:41:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15293 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15289 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137LXb-0003mb-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:22:23 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 17:06:54 GMT From: td@pixar.com (Tom Duff) Message-ID: <10006280950.ZM383063@marvin> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Reply-To: td@pixar.com Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Jun 28, 10:40am, Nigel Roles wrote: > Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? > > started with a 'j', somthing to do with a jerq > > but I never did find out what that was. > > This is perhaps a pejorative reference to a certain > expensive ICL bitmapped workstation. I was there, so I know the story. When the Lucasfilm computer division was founded in 1980, we looked around for machines to use in animators' and artists' workstations, and seeing no other reasonable alternatives (Sun and SGI had not been founded yet) we picked the Three Rivers Computer Corporation's PERQ (ICL sold these in Britain.) These gadgets were closely modeled on the Xerox ALTO. They could address 2MB of memory, and had an 800x1024x1 bit display -- unheard-of in those days of PDP-11s and cursor- addressed terminals. My first job at Lucasfilm was to produce a C compiler for this machine. Until the compiler was written, the machine was really only good for running the canned trade-show demo that came with it. This was the usual travesty of industrial hyperbole, making bold claims and predictions that the actual hardware and software could live up to only in a marketeers imagination. It was inevitable that someone would hack the demo to tell the real truth, that the machine crashed all the time, that the microcode was full of bugs, that there was no software at all, in the funniest and most embarrassing manner possible. The revised demo referred to the machine as the Jerq. Some time in early 1981, Rob came to visit, saw the updated demo, and on his return to Bell Labs, stole the name to christen the similar beast that he and Bart Locanthi (and Dave Ditzel?) were working on. The J theme did run through all the jerq software names. The debugger was called joff (the Jerq Obscure Feature Finder), the editor was jim, the bitmap editor was jraw (or was that the schematic capture program?) -- Tom Duff. You can't go anywhere without roots. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 14:04:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA16227 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:04:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA16220 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19127 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2000 03:04:17 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Jun 2000 03:04:17 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 137MC9-0001dg-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:04:17 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] gtk port MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 29 Jun 2000 03:04:17 +0900 Message-ID: Lines: 6 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I'm trying to port gtk to Plan 9. Thu purpose and current status is written in http://mimi.aist-nara.ac.jp/%7Ehiroki-t/Plan9/gtk.html I need help, because I'm not familiar with C, X Window System. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 14:40:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17328 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:40:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17320 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:40:38 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006281840.OAA17320@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:40:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu is this something new with the 3rd edition? under 2nd edition I'm using a u9fs fileserver just fine yes, it's new. there's no streams anymore, and thus no "push fcall". i've hacked the support that richard miller described in before, but it was a while ago and got lost. russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 14:48:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA17732 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:48:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA17727 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:48:13 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006281848.OAA17727@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cc and more Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:48:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu And... I'm getting corruption on certain files coming off of dos partitions. For example, the wrap.tgz update worked fine, but the 06070617.9gz doesn't come over as a valid gzip (works fine from linux, though). Someone else on the list mentioned something that sounded similar. I assume the md5sums produced by Linux and Plan 9 are different? (It could be our gzip rather than dossrv, but that seems unlikely.) And really lastly, what happened to ext2srv (or whatever) used on the install floppy? It doesn't seem to be in the distribution... Ext2srv is a program I've been carrying around for a while but isn't in the main source tree; it was a beta program a couple years ago, is now outdated, and almost certainly some bugs lurk in it. I changed it for the install process to open the disk read only mode so as not to hurt disks. Forsyth has something (ext2fs) on his web page that may work better. If you type ext2fs (or ext2srv) into google I'm sure you'll come up with it. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 15:07:24 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18538 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:07:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18533 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006281907.PAA18533@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] reamfs strangitude Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:07:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu echo: write error: xterm: Error 50, errno 1: Too big /srv/log: rc: can't open Change the definition of log in /rc/bin/dist/defs xterm: Error 50, errno 1: Too big is the current value of Egreg in the kernel source. Egreg is used for things that shouldn't really happen. In this case, /srv thought you were posting a service rather than writing to one and thus complained because the write was far bigger than a typical decimal number should be. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 15:14:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18987 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:14:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA18983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:14:32 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006281914.PAA18983@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 'page' bottom-top turning troubles Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:14:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I have exactly 8 bits per pixel. It is 'gs' output viewed by 'page', hope its depth is not less than 8 ? I wasn't talking about the depth of the screen but the depth of the actual image, which can be (and often is) different. Gs produces a depth as small as possible. If you like, you could edit /sys/src/cmd/gs/src/gdevifno.c to always produce 8-bit images; change idev->ldepth = 0 to idev->ldepth = 3 in inferno_open(). I haven't done that because the right fix is to get draw correct instead, and because the driver needs to be updated for the new color scheme anyway. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 15:38:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA19783 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:38:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA19779 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 15:38:06 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006281938.PAA19779@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 20:35:26 0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>picked the Three Rivers Computer >>Corporation's PERQ (ICL sold these >>in Britain.) These gadgets were the original microcode provided elaborate yet frustrating instructions, and didn't work all that well. ICL replaced the Three Rivers microcode to produce a much faster, more reasonable target, for C and other languages (I did a Pascal compiler for that version), and ported Unix to it. it used a variant of layers for the graphics. it was not too bad (the user interface had one odd feature), but Suns had begun to appear by that time and the project was dropped. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 16:16:07 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21196 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:16:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu (dachshund.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.62.96]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA21192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:16:03 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006282016.QAA21192@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Bare minimum vga support? Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 16:16:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Has anyone got an idea what lines I can add to vgadb to get plain VGA and thereby at least get the install done? ``Plain VGA'' is not 8 bits per pixel and thus doesn't work too well with Plan 9 at present. Plan 9 also depends on a hardware cursor. The Vita Nuova folk hinted here earlier about more generic support via the VGA BIOS. It might be worth waiting for their release to see what happens, if you aren't in the mood to add support for your card. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 19:03:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24503 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:03:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.elender.hu (bendeguz.elender.hu [212.108.200.75]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24496 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freemail.hu (IDENT:root@m31-as104.elender.hu [212.108.205.158]) by mail.elender.hu with ESMTP id BAA12819 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:02:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <395A8452.A586289C@freemail.hu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:03:46 +0200 From: Kujbus Csaba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] mouse problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hi I have a Microsoft serial intellimouse attached to COM1 (Super7 mb, K6-2, AGP video card). In the boot process (after logging in as glenda) the system tries to identify my mouse, and after a few unsuccessful attempts it gives up. Rio starts fine in 1024x768x16 but without the mouse I can't do very much. Has anyone an idea how to get Plan 9 to recognize a serial mouse? (plan9.ini contains mouseport=0, but I tried 1 and ps2 without any success) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 19:21:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24911 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:21:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (caldo.demon.co.uk [194.222.207.148]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24907 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:21:37 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <200006282321.TAA24907@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse problem Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:20:41 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zayjsvwagmjlsefijmujsbecjt" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zayjsvwagmjlsefijmujsbecjt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit try adding the -dC option to the aux/mouse call in /rc/bin/termrc --upas-zayjsvwagmjlsefijmujsbecjt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.36]) by lavoro; Thu Jun 29 00:23:11 BST 2000 Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 962233404:11:16478:0; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:03:24 GMT Received: from claven.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116361; 28 Jun 2000 23:03 GMT Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24533; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:03:08 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA24503 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:03:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mail.elender.hu (bendeguz.elender.hu [212.108.200.75]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24496 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freemail.hu (IDENT:root@m31-as104.elender.hu [212.108.205.158]) by mail.elender.hu with ESMTP id BAA12819 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:02:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <395A8452.A586289C@freemail.hu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:03:46 +0200 From: Kujbus Csaba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] mouse problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hi I have a Microsoft serial intellimouse attached to COM1 (Super7 mb, K6-2, AGP video card). In the boot process (after logging in as glenda) the system tries to identify my mouse, and after a few unsuccessful attempts it gives up. Rio starts fine in 1024x768x16 but without the mouse I can't do very much. Has anyone an idea how to get Plan 9 to recognize a serial mouse? (plan9.ini contains mouseport=0, but I tried 1 and ps2 without any success) --upas-zayjsvwagmjlsefijmujsbecjt-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 21:30:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA26822 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:30:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA26817 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:30:51 -0400 (EDT) From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006290130.VAA26817@cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 21:30:48 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compaq LTE 5250 laptop instant reboot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu If you can, comment out the 'monitor=' and 'mouseport=' lines in the plan9.ini file (put ' '#' at the beginning of the line) and boot, you should get a shell prompt. If that works, mail me the output of the command /bin/pci. --jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Wed Jun 28 22:40:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA28138 for 9fans-outgoing; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:40:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA28131 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 22:40:11 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006290240.WAA28131@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:41:03 +0900 Subject: [9fans] diskless terminal? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I reported a problem of unsuccessfull boot from a diskless terminal. This problem was solved, and now I have two versions of Plan 9 system on sungle domain, two file servers and two auth/cpu servers and terminals `for both release switching by a different boot floppy. For Suns, they can only access to release 2 Auth and File server. The problem was, probably, there in the ether device driver(etherelnk3.c). I tried to use 3C509B-COMBO(ID9450) which I have been using for release 2 systems. Today, I changed the ether card to a NE2000 (ISA), then, I have now no problem. Now, I have two file servers and the others are all diskless, all the resources comes from file servers! Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 03:35:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA01803 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:35:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA01799 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA00754 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:34:55 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:34:53 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal? Message-ID: <20000629093453.A28726@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200006290240.WAA28131@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200006290240.WAA28131@cse.psu.edu>; from okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:41:03AM +0900 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:41:03AM +0900, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > > The problem was, probably, there in the ether device driver(etherelnk3.c). > I tried to use 3C509B-COMBO(ID9450) which I have been using for release 2 > systems. Today, I changed the ether card to a NE2000 (ISA), then, I have now > no problem. > Yes, I have the same symptoms, neither ISA nor PCI Etherlink IIIs seem to cut it? That is a thorn in my side, anyone fixed it? > Now, I have two file servers and the others are all diskless, all the resources > comes from file servers! > I never quite understood how to make a CPU server diskless, there's something there that beats me. How did you do it? ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 03:51:03 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02081 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:51:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA02077 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:50:58 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006290750.DAA02077@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:51:53 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >Yes, I have the same symptoms, neither ISA nor PCI Etherlink IIIs seem to >cut it? That is a thorn in my side, anyone fixed it? have three 3C509Bs, and two of those worked fine. Only one has problem under release 3. I looked into the kernel and drivers codes, but it beyonds my ability. However, I noticed from the sources that the signals may not have transmitted really. This leads me to doubt the ether card, and I changed it which leads me success. Someone who has low level programming ability may help the problem. >I never quite understood how to make a CPU server diskless, there's >something there that beats me. How did you do it? You have to understand the booting mechanism of the new release which is somewhat changed from release 2. And you'll find a dirty way to make it work. I'm afraid Plan 9 team don't want to make this public... This is because I feel that they made it so intentionally... Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 03:54:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA02244 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:54:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA02240 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.222.75.186] (helo=blue) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137Z8X-000GFD-0C for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:53:25 +0000 Message-ID: <003c01bfe19e$fbfb0e40$6f64a8c0@blue> From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200006290240.WAA28131@cse.psu.edu> <20000629093453.A28726@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:52:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Not sure about 3c509 combos in a pc/cpu, but one works fine in my fileserver. I wasn't expecting it to! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucio De Re" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal? > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:41:03AM +0900, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > > > > The problem was, probably, there in the ether device driver(etherelnk3.c). > > I tried to use 3C509B-COMBO(ID9450) which I have been using for release 2 > > systems. Today, I changed the ether card to a NE2000 (ISA), then, I have now > > no problem. > > > Yes, I have the same symptoms, neither ISA nor PCI Etherlink IIIs seem to > cut it? That is a thorn in my side, anyone fixed it? > > > Now, I have two file servers and the others are all diskless, all the resources > > comes from file servers! > > > I never quite understood how to make a CPU server diskless, there's > something there that beats me. How did you do it? > > ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 04:50:42 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02920 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:50:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02910 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Ztd-0004bd-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:05 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:30:33 GMT From: cckk99@263.net Message-ID: <8je1a1$4ps$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] network adaptor in plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu when boot up plan9 as terminal , my network adaptor can work. but when I boot it as cpu server,it can not work. I tried to use " bind -a '#l' /net " to bring it up, plan 9 response with "no free device", what does this mean? Can somebody help me? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 04:50:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02930 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:50:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02916 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Ztc-0004bR-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:04 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:29:43 GMT From: Ish Rattan Message-ID: <395A44DF.5F6F12CD@mail.cmich.edu> Organization: Central Michigan University Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006280040.UAA23336@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > Was keyfs running? Was it mounted inthe namespace of the > session you were running it in? Is /adm/keys owned by the > same user netkey was running as and the as you were running as? Well, I am afraid that I have no answers to the questions. I followed the steps in `Configuring a standlone cpu/authentication server' in the document `Getting started with Plan9'. I have tried a number of times without success. Things go haywire with auth/changeuser bootes as noted earlier. - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 05:04:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03367 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03361 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137ZtZ-0004b1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:28:25 GMT From: "Jonathan S. Shapiro" Message-ID: <9Aq65.11515$_b3.275154@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net References: <39499363.8C5BA7AE@badtux.org>, <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D14ED@mail.sauder.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Binary code which is compiled from TSU source code and which > is itself publicly available and not subject to licensing or > royalty fee can also be exported under the provisions of > license exception TSU. > > As a caveat, Cindy Cohn notes in her response (bernstein-bxa2.html on > the same server) that this interpretation is "new to us and surprised > numerous people familiar with the new export controls," i.e. it's not > obvious from reading the new regs, and I'm pretty certain that you > enjoy no special legal protections in court from having the BXA tell > you that something is okay. Actually, James Lewis (at commerce) and I discussed this point at length when the regs were being reviewed. BXA has issued advisory opinions (including one to me on EROS) confiming that this is commerce's interpretation, and an advisory opinion from the folks who do the rulings on export control is a pretty good defense. shap From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 05:04:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03366 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03356 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Zta-0004b7-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:28:51 GMT From: "Jonathan S. Shapiro" Message-ID: <8wq65.11508$_b3.275735@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net References: <642A954DD517D411B20C00508BCF23B0012D13C3@mail.sauder.com>, , <_FU45.219720$MB.3967328@news6.giganews.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Open but not free Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > I have to agree with the increasing degrees of irritation at having to > puzzle through "Yet Another License Whose Implications Are Not Widely > Understood." Regrettably, the issue is much larger than this, which is why EROS is now under GPL rather than the original Mozilla License, even though Mozilla is generally accepted to be a perfectly good open source license. One of the main sources of power in open source is the ability to borrow from this or that work to create a new thing that meets needs unanticipated by the original designer. Even if a new license is really a better license, the simple fact that it is not the same license is enough to prevent this sort of mix and match. In defense of Lucent, GPL has some problems -- particularly in the area of liability. This is one of the reasons that IBM has come up with its own license. Section 3.4 is very interesting and quite broad. One thing that might help very much is if Lucent's legal department were to agree that distributing the code under GPL satisfies the requirements of this section. Jonathan Shapiro From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 05:06:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03559 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:06:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03507 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137ZX7-0004LF-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:18:49 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:56:17 GMT From: lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio De Re) Message-ID: <20000629093453.A28726@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <200006290240.WAA28131@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 11:41:03AM +0900, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > > The problem was, probably, there in the ether device driver(etherelnk3.c). > I tried to use 3C509B-COMBO(ID9450) which I have been using for release 2 > systems. Today, I changed the ether card to a NE2000 (ISA), then, I have now > no problem. > Yes, I have the same symptoms, neither ISA nor PCI Etherlink IIIs seem to cut it? That is a thorn in my side, anyone fixed it? > Now, I have two file servers and the others are all diskless, all the resources > comes from file servers! > I never quite understood how to make a CPU server diskless, there's something there that beats me. How did you do it? ++L From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 05:08:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03755 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:08:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03719 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Zta-0004bD-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:29:09 GMT From: Russell Nelson Message-ID: Organization: Crynwr Software References: <200006230727.AAA23544@ohio.river.org>, <200006242158.RAA11100@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Redistribution Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu tg@utstat.toronto.edu (Tom Glinos) writes: > >Oh, crap; that email was meant for just Tom Glinos, to get his advice > >because not a lot on info has been posted on the mailing list or the > >Plan 9 web sites on the process that went into the new license, and he > >obviously just learned some info, and I was just so curious to pick his > >brain. > > My advice is "don't worry, be happy" and "don't bite the hand that > feeds you." > > (I'm now going to pick my words very carefully) > > The current agreement took months of work/anguish. > I think it's a document that Lucent can live with given THEIR > business issues. Nobody who reads the license is going to use Plan 9 in anything other than a research/hobby mode. Why? Because the cost of a Plan 9 license is to cross-license ALL of your intellectual property to Lucent and anyone who contributes to Plan 9. If somebody has a patent you want to use, and you see that they're using Plan 9 in a mission-critical manner, you can just use the patent without bothering to license it. 6.1(ii) ensures that they will not sue you. 6.1(ii) will forever keep Plan 9 in the lab, never to be deployed. -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Is Unix compatible with Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | Linux? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 05:08:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03771 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:08:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03741 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Ztc-0004bX-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:04 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:30:07 GMT From: Pavlov Message-ID: Organization: Drool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: do-not@reply.org Subject: [9fans] That's a great clock. And that blank desktop looks good too. ;-) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu So I've done the preliminary reading from all the docs Bell has on their site but I am not able to do anything with it. I manage to install it fine but all I'm seeing is a clock and desktop. I am able to type in some command but they don't do anything.I must have missed something. Please clear me up on some of these things or point me to some resources for new installs cuz I don't want to be left with the impression 9 is just a tits-on-a-bull uber-cryptic OS. Cheers for and and all help! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 05:08:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03768 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:08:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03729 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Ztb-0004bK-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:29:25 GMT From: Steve Simon Message-ID: <395A5375.930BC5D8@savan.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <10006280950.ZM383063@marvin> Reply-To: steve@savan.demon.co.uk Subject: [9fans] Blit jerq etc - postscript Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Tom Duff wrote: [snip...] > Some time in early 1981, Rob came to > visit, saw the updated demo, and on > his return to Bell Labs, stole the > name to christen the similar beast > that he and Bart Locanthi (and Dave > Ditzel?) were working on. > > The J theme did run through all the > jerq software names. The debugger was > called joff (the Jerq Obscure Feature > Finder), the editor was jim, the > bitmap editor was jraw (or was that > the schematic capture program?) > I always wondered where it all came from... Just in case someone is interested more, the BLIT software has been released at http://www.bell-labs.com/user/dwd/5620faq.html I found this a very usefull lesson in how to implement graphics and particularly the blitblit() function which I needed for an embedded graphics system recently. -Steve From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 05:08:30 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA03806 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:08:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA03747 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 05:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Ztd-0004bj-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:05 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:31:01 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <395AA115.5009C91D@null.net> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200006261422.KAA09688@akbar.nevex.com>, <3957965F.1E4D3C7B@mindless.com>, <39590A7B.AAAC2799@savan.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Steve Simon wrote: > jim - a Mouse _only_ editor on the blit, where everything > started with a 'j', somthing to do with a jerq > but I never did find out what that was. "Jerq" was a pun on "PERQ", which was a bitmap-oriented workstation. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 07:10:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA05684 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:10:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA05680 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137c2C-0007dO-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:59:04 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:56:39 GMT From: "Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko" Message-ID: <962274288.386176@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> Organization: Unknown References: Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hiroki Tamakoshi wrote: > Hello, > I'm trying to port gtk to Plan 9. > Thu purpose and current status is written in > http://mimi.aist-nara.ac.jp/%7Ehiroki-t/Plan9/gtk.html > I need help, because I'm not familiar with C, X Window System. i think it is very _bad_ idea. your next step will be to port gnome with 20MB cd player and so. do you want make _yet another FSF Windoze_ of plan9, like linux? look at tcl/tk better... From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 07:41:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06237 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:41:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA06233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:41:35 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006291141.HAA06233@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:41:17 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edumail, -s, file system less cpu servers , 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:41:17 -0400 From: presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edumail, -s, file system less cpu servers, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: file system less cpu servers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-iecfsateqifxydykyxtviylwbo" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-iecfsateqifxydykyxtviylwbo Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Now, I have two file servers and the others are all diskless, all the resources > > comes from file servers! > > > I never quite understood how to make a CPU server diskless, there's > something there that beats me. How did you do it? > > ++L > Our PC's can't be truly diskless, just file system-less. You need a disk (hard or floppy) to contain - the plan9.ini configuration file - the boot program, 9load(8) - a floppy file (#f/plan9.nvr) or a hard disk partition (/dev/sdC0/nvram, for example) to hold the user id and password to connect to the file server as. Once the boot loader is running, boot the kernel over the net: ether0!/386/9pccpu of ether0!xyzzy!/386/9pccpu if you want to boot from server xyzzy. At the 'root is from' prompt, choose 'il' and you should be up and running. The first time around, you'll be prompted for user id and password that you want the cpu server to connect to the file server as. If you want to connect to the cpu server as something other than that id, you'll have to create a speaks for relation in the /lib/ndb/auth file on the authentication server: hostid=cpuuserid uid=* where cpuuserid is the id you choose. the * means that this userid can speak for anyone. You can use a list of specific userid's if you want to restrict it. The speaks for isn't all powerful. You still have to authenticate your self with a 3 way handshake twixt the cpu server, file server, and your terminal in order for the cpu server to speak for you. This just adds a little more security so that you don't accidentally connect to an unrusted server. The big hack is that if there is no auth server, you can just make the file server and cpu server userid's and passwords the same. This lets the cpu server connect to the file server before the auth server is up. It's the chicken and egg problem that lets the auth server also be filesystem less. We run most of our cpu servers off of remote file servers. The exceptions are our auth server which doubles as a bootp, dhcp,tftp server to boot all the other systems. It sits on a UPS and is really helpfull when power drops. The other exceptions are our two dns servers which don't do anything else. --upas-iecfsateqifxydykyxtviylwbo Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=quux1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Now, I have two file servers and the others are all diskless, all the resources > > comes from file servers! > > > I never quite understood how to make a CPU server diskless, there's > something there that beats me. How did you do it? > > ++L > Our PC's can't be truly diskless, just file system-less. You need a disk (hard or floppy) to contain - the plan9.ini configuration file - the boot program, 9load(8) - a floppy file (#f/plan9.nvr) or a hard disk partition (/dev/sdC0/nvram, for example) to hold the user id and password to connect to the file server as. Once the boot loader is running, boot the kernel over the net: ether0!/386/9pccpu of ether0!xyzzy!/386/9pccpu if you want to boot from server xyzzy. At the 'root is from' prompt, choose 'il' and you should be up and running. The first time around, you'll be prompted for user id and password that you want the cpu server to connect to the file server as. If you want to connect to the cpu server as something other than that id, you'll have to create a speaks for relation in the /lib/ndb/auth file on the authentication server: hostid=cpuuserid uid=* where cpuuserid is the id you choose. the * means that this userid can speak for anyone. You can use a list of specific userid's if you want to restrict it. The speaks for isn't all powerful. You still have to authenticate your self with a 3 way handshake twixt the cpu server, file server, and your terminal in order for the cpu server to speak for you. This just adds a little more security so that you don't accidentally connect to an unrusted server. The big hack is that if there is no auth server, you can just make the file server and cpu server userid's and passwords the same. This lets the cpu server connect to the file server before the auth server is up. It's the chicken and egg problem that lets the auth server also be filesystem less. We run most of our cpu servers off of remote file servers. The exceptions are our auth server which doubles as a bootp, dhcp,tftp server to boot all the other systems. It sits on a UPS and is really helpfull when power drops. The other exceptions are our two dns servers which don't do anything else. --upas-iecfsateqifxydykyxtviylwbo-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 07:42:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA06326 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:42:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA06307 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:42:15 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006291142.HAA06307@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:42:13 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] file system less servers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > Now, I have two file servers and the others are all diskless, all the resources > > comes from file servers! > > > I never quite understood how to make a CPU server diskless, there's > something there that beats me. How did you do it? > > ++L > Our PC's can't be truly diskless, just file system-less. You need a disk (hard or floppy) to contain - the plan9.ini configuration file - the boot program, 9load(8) - a floppy file (#f/plan9.nvr) or a hard disk partition (/dev/sdC0/nvram, for example) to hold the user id and password to connect to the file server as. Once the boot loader is running, boot the kernel over the net: ether0!/386/9pccpu of ether0!xyzzy!/386/9pccpu if you want to boot from server xyzzy. At the 'root is from' prompt, choose 'il' and you should be up and running. The first time around, you'll be prompted for user id and password that you want the cpu server to connect to the file server as. If you want to connect to the cpu server as something other than that id, you'll have to create a speaks for relation in the /lib/ndb/auth file on the authentication server: hostid=cpuuserid uid=* where cpuuserid is the id you choose. the * means that this userid can speak for anyone. You can use a list of specific userid's if you want to restrict it. The speaks for isn't all powerful. You still have to authenticate your self with a 3 way handshake twixt the cpu server, file server, and your terminal in order for the cpu server to speak for you. This just adds a little more security so that you don't accidentally connect to an unrusted server. The big hack is that if there is no auth server, you can just make the file server and cpu server userid's and passwords the same. This lets the cpu server connect to the file server before the auth server is up. It's the chicken and egg problem that lets the auth server also be filesystem less. We run most of our cpu servers off of remote file servers. The exceptions are our auth server which doubles as a bootp, dhcp,tftp server to boot all the other systems. It sits on a UPS and is really helpfull when power drops. The other exceptions are our two dns servers which don't do anything else. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 08:05:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07070 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:05:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07066 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006291205.IAA07066@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:58:59 -0400 To: ratta1i@mail.cmich.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] apu/auth standalone.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I'll assume that you edited out the '#'s in the cpurc and rebooted, using a user/hostid for the cpu server to run as. Let's call that id 'xyzzy'. The auth server is now up, and depdnding on what you did is either running rio or is in line at a time mode. I suggest the former since it's easier to debug in. Do the following: cat /dev/user ls -l /adm/keys ps|grep keyfs ls -l /mnt/keys I'm assuming /dev/user is 'xyzzy'. If /adm/keys is not also owned by xyzzy or it's group isnot one which includes xyzzy, then I understand your problem. You should run disk/kfscmd allow and then remove and recreate /adm/keys. if the ps shows keyfs not running or the ls -l /mnt/keys produces an error, they you're not getting it started in cpurc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 08:08:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07225 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:08:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07220 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006291208.IAA07220@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:07:17 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network adaptor in plan9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-prhyfslrlmivazxcbdywkxmtte" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-prhyfslrlmivazxcbdywkxmtte Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds like your cpuserver kernel doesn't have your ethernet driver built in. You might want to try rebuilding it making sure that the file /sys/src/9/pc/pccpu (or /sys/src/9/pc/pccpudisk, whichever you're using) has a driver for your card. --upas-prhyfslrlmivazxcbdywkxmtte Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Jun 29 05:07:50 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Thu Jun 29 05:07:48 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA02989; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:50:51 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA02920 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:50:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA02910 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 04:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137Ztd-0004bd-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:42:05 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:30:33 GMT From: cckk99@263.net Message-ID: <8je1a1$4ps$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] network adaptor in plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk when boot up plan9 as terminal , my network adaptor can work. but when I boot it as cpu server,it can not work. I tried to use " bind -a '#l' /net " to bring it up, plan 9 response with "no free device", what does this mean? Can somebody help me? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. --upas-prhyfslrlmivazxcbdywkxmtte-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 08:14:41 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07502 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07496 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 591 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2000 21:14:27 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Jun 2000 21:14:27 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 137dD9-0006Uy-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:14:27 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port References: <962274288.386176@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 29 Jun 2000 21:14:27 +0900 In-Reply-To: <962274288.386176@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> (Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko's message of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:56:39 GMT") Message-ID: Lines: 70 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko writes: > Hiroki Tamakoshi wrote: > > I'm trying to port gtk to Plan 9. > > Thu purpose and current status is written in > > http://mimi.aist-nara.ac.jp/%7Ehiroki-t/Plan9/gtk.html > > i think it is very _bad_ idea. > your next step will be to port gnome with 20MB cd player and so. > > do you want make _yet another FSF Windoze_ of plan9, like linux? > > look at tcl/tk better... Why do you think that is a bad idea? Why do you push tcl/tk? It is not the problem to choose gtk or tcl/tk. My opinion is, from the point of view of the Human-Computer Interaction, that Plan 9 should have a potential to establish a good GUI for end users. Off course, there could be another solusion than porting gtk. (and even if porting gtk fail, porting glib is worthwhile, because glib is a very useful library.) I put a discussion with Russ, which will tell more about this subject. ------------------------------ My view is a bit biased by working at Bell Labs once in a while and having written and revised some of the graphics stuff. For small jobs, though, I agree that something like GTK is necessary. You might think about whether it could be provided as a file server, and whether that would solve the problem of string management or executing little code segments, which Tcl does not have but GTK does (as far as I can tell). Russ > Why biased? > In the research field of Human-Computer Interaction, it is obvious > that the computers should be intuitive, easy to understand, easy to > use. > Plan 9 need a good GUI toolkit, I believe. > > I used Plan 9 for about a week and found that acme is useful and > innovative. But it is useful for only professionals in my opinion. > There's no need to be decorative, but there should be a potential to > build a useful GUI. > > How do you think about the concept? > > rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com writes: > > > This is a knee-jerk and fairly biased > > reaction, but I'd suggest you familiarize > > yourself with some of the Plan 9 graphical > > utilities (acme, sam, etc.) before deciding > > that GTK is necessary. I think you'll find that > > acme in particular has a radical way of doing > > things that is easier and quicker to use than > > things you can create with GTK. > > > > Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 08:28:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA07983 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA07979 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:28:04 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006291228.IAA07979@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:28:03 -0400 To: quinn@necro.ugcs.caltech.edu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9 for vampires MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Also, plan9 won't run during the day. If I run it when it is still light > outside, I quickly get random suicides, with strange results, including > filesystem corruption, and the occaisional kernel panic. When I run it after > hours all is fine. I'm adjusting my sleep schedule accordingly. Since none of the Plan 9 developers can safely go out in daylight, we've never observed this behavior. However, your guess about heat is probably right. We clearly stick critical stuff in different parts of memory than Linux does. Linux may be lucking out or perhaps, with more code, more of it can be corrupted without an effect. You might try running with the skins off, or perhaps just reseating the memory boards and see if it makes a difference. Or maybe you should try setting the clock ahead 12 hours and see if Plan 9 just doesn't like running in day hours. > And... I'm getting corruption on certain files coming off of dos partitions. > For example, the wrap.tgz update worked fine, but the 06070617.9gz doesn't > come over as a valid gzip (works fine from linux, though). Someone else on > the list mentioned something that sounded similar. Try doing an md5sum of 06070617.9gz. We see it as: % md5sum 06070617.9gz 66a22bba5cce05d1e93cb43e81749c86 06070617.9gz From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 09:14:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09283 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:14:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09274 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137dyq-0004EN-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:03:44 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:59:42 GMT From: Douglas Fraser Message-ID: <395B45F2.91400EA7@lucent.com> Organization: Lucent Technologies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <10006280950.ZM383063@marvin> Subject: Re: [9fans] SO for plan9? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Tom Duff wrote: > Some time in early 1981, Rob came to > visit, saw the updated demo, and on > his return to Bell Labs, stole the > name to christen the similar beast > that he and Bart Locanthi (and Dave > Ditzel?) were working on. > > The J theme did run through all the > jerq software names. The debugger was > called joff (the Jerq Obscure Feature > Finder), the editor was jim, the > bitmap editor was jraw (or was that > the schematic capture program?) > > -- > Tom Duff. You can't go anywhere without roots. Being a subsequent _long_ time owner/user of a AT&T 5620 bit mapped terminal, I appreciate the little history here. I picked one up (way cheap) from a small engineering firm that had gone bankrupt. That and a 3b2/300 and three 3B1s. No one knew what they were so no one else bid on them. I used the 5620 for eight years before finally getting a 720 ('son of 5620') and eventually a 730 with (gasp!) an X terminal cartridge. Thematically, the three were very consistent. The 5620 went to the curb after finding that no one (me included) wanted it anymore. The 3b2 died. The three 3b1s (all running...) were donated to a young man in Pennsylvania for his computer museum last spring. The TEK 4014 emulation on the 5620 was a hoot. -- Doug From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 09:14:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA09291 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:14:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA09279 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137dyo-0004E9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:03:42 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:52:08 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8jfg5d$2cpu$2@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r References: , <962274288.386176@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by cse.psu.edu id JAA09280 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko wrote: >> I'm trying to port gtk to Plan 9. > look at tcl/tk better... Limbo/Tk, may be ? Tcl/Tk may be called 'bloated' too. -- mwg@alkar.net, 340044, 7442333, 7786458 - ÷ÌÁÄÉÍÉÒ íÕÔÅÌØ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 09:40:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10039 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10034 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06630 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:40:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006291340.JAA06630@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] netkey for Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Does anybody has source/binary for netkey to run under FreeBSD/Linux? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 10:50:56 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12416 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:50:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from poodle-pc.harvard.edu (poodle-pc.deas.harvard.edu [140.247.51.128]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA12411 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:50:50 -0400 (EDT) From: rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006291450.KAA12411@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] That's a great clock. And that blank desktop looks good too. ;-) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:50:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Read the rio(1) man page (plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/1/rio) to learn how to draw windows and get going. plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/start.html contains more pointers. Russ From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 11:03:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA12903 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:03:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from vivido.hci-net ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA12899 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006291503.LAA12899@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Bare minimum vga support? Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:03:42 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu >>However, surely every PC at least does some minimal VGA without >>loading special drivers (or am I wrong about that?). `minimal VGA' is often more `minimal' than you might think. when we have a spare moment at Vita we'll try to do something using our VESA BIOS interfacing code, but we haven't had a chance yet. we'll put it up for ftp when we do. if it looks as though we won't have time we'll make it available for someone else to have a go. we're having trouble finding suitable cards here as well. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 11:22:49 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13485 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13481 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:22:44 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk ([158.152.225.204]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137g9C-000A2o-0V for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:22:38 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:34:16 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Message-Id: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu I wrote: > u9fs will not work as root file system for diskless clients without some > changes to the kernel. Since u9fs serves via tcp not il protocol, you would > have to interpose something like aux/fcall to reconstruct 9p message > boundaries. And Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: > is this something new with the 3rd edition? > under 2nd edition I'm using a u9fs fileserver just fine Yes, the old Plan 9 had fcall(3) stream module within the kernel which the boot process pushed onto a tcp connection. 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That's funny; I distinctly remember the Tromso distributed computing conference a while ago, and you and Rob were both there. The sun didn't set AT ALL. I will admit I've never seen a sunblock with SPF in exponential notation, though. Where did you find it? --berry -- Berry Kercheval :: Ajuba Solutions :: http://www.ajubasolutions.com Berry@ajubasolutions.com (Formerly Scriptics Corp.) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 13:08:47 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16236 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:08:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16224 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137hgd-0003jP-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:01:11 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:49:51 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8jftn8$2sdl$1@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk wrote: >> u9fs will not work as root file system for diskless clients without some >> changes to the kernel. Since u9fs serves via tcp not il protocol, you would >> have to interpose something like aux/fcall to reconstruct 9p message >> boundaries. >> is this something new with the 3rd edition? >> under 2nd edition I'm using a u9fs fileserver just fine > Yes, the old Plan 9 had fcall(3) stream module within the kernel which > the boot process pushed onto a tcp connection. This is gone, along > with all kernel stream stuff. So, how can we now practically set up a central fs(8) (and preferably cpu and auth server there too) ? -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 13:52:35 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17631 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:52:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA17624 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT) From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006291752.NAA17624@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 13:50:44 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-yrrffwnbvayryljkdyamznexqf" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-yrrffwnbvayryljkdyamznexqf Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The easiest hackwould be to change /sys/src/9/boot/boopip.c's connecttcp() to fork off a filter to do what the fcall module used to. Look at the funcion filter() in /sys/src/cmd/cpu.c. It wouldn't necessarily be fast but it would be functional. If noone gets to it before I get back to MH (a week or two from now), I'll do it myself. --upas-yrrffwnbvayryljkdyamznexqf Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Jun 29 11:45:13 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Thu Jun 29 11:45:11 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA13531; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:22:54 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13485 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:22:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13481 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:22:44 -0400 (EDT) From: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk Received: from hamnavoe.demon.co.uk ([158.152.225.204]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 137g9C-000A2o-0V for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:22:38 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 18:34:16 BST Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/file/terminal server of my dream Message-Id: Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I wrote: > u9fs will not work as root file system for diskless clients without some > changes to the kernel. Since u9fs serves via tcp not il protocol, you would > have to interpose something like aux/fcall to reconstruct 9p message > boundaries. And Steve Kotsopoulos wrote: > is this something new with the 3rd edition? > under 2nd edition I'm using a u9fs fileserver just fine Yes, the old Plan 9 had fcall(3) stream module within the kernel which the boot process pushed onto a tcp connection. This is gone, along with all kernel stream stuff. -- Richard Miller --upas-yrrffwnbvayryljkdyamznexqf-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 17:09:52 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA22892 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:09:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA22884 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000629204158.249.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Fri Jun 30 05:41:57 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] netkey for Plan9 Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: <200006291340.JAA06630@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. >Does anybody has source/binary for netkey to run under FreeBSD/Linux? Look at ftp://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/ then you will find netkey for FreeBSD. I don't have netkey for Linux only because I cannot find the manual for encrypt function of Linux. Encrypt of Linux is incompatible with others. If someone send me the manual, I will .... Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 17:44:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA23622 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:44:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA23618 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Fri Jun 30 06:16:34 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: , <962274288.386176@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> <8jfg5d$2cpu$2@pandora.alkar.net> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. >>> I'm trying to port gtk to Plan 9. >> look at tcl/tk better... > Limbo/Tk, may be ? > Tcl/Tk may be called 'bloated' too. Yes Tcl/Tk may be bloated. However, if we have Tcl/Tk on Plan9, We will also have "Grail", a web brawser written in Python. Python is bloated but we can share many applications with other platform. Our society is too small to do everything by ourself. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 18:03:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24302 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:03:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA24290 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 18531 invoked from network); 29 Jun 2000 22:02:54 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 29 Jun 2000 22:02:54 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port In-reply-to: Message from arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:44:07 EDT."References: <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> , <962274288.386176@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> <8jfg5d$2cpu$2@pandora.alkar.net> <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <18524.962316173.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:02:54 -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Yes Tcl/Tk may be bloated. However, if we have Tcl/Tk on Plan9, > We will also have "Grail", a web brawser written in Python. It would be nice to have a webfs server. I know the hardest part of a web browser is the html display, but to have something that would let you do echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get cat /mnt/web/data or echo 'http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/320/7251/1713.pdf' > /mnt/web/get if ( ~ 'application/pdf' `{cat /mnt/web/header/Content-type}) { pdfview /mnt/web/data } and so on. It would make using existing tools simple, and could be hooked into plumber. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 18:16:27 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24721 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:16:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24716 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137mDK-0005Rr-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:51:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:37:14 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000629204158.249.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <200006291340.JAA06630@pali.cps.cmich.edu> Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] netkey for Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. >Does anybody has source/binary for netkey to run under FreeBSD/Linux? Look at ftp://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/ then you will find netkey for FreeBSD. I don't have netkey for Linux only because I cannot find the manual for encrypt function of Linux. Encrypt of Linux is incompatible with others. If someone send me the manual, I will .... Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 18:21:05 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24996 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:21:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137ma2-0005cS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:14:42 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:05:09 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello. >>> I'm trying to port gtk to Plan 9. >> look at tcl/tk better... > Limbo/Tk, may be ? > Tcl/Tk may be called 'bloated' too. Yes Tcl/Tk may be bloated. However, if we have Tcl/Tk on Plan9, We will also have "Grail", a web brawser written in Python. Python is bloated but we can share many applications with other platform. Our society is too small to do everything by ourself. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 18:45:32 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25506 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:45:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25502 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137mo7-0005kn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:29:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:27:08 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Yes Tcl/Tk may be bloated. However, if we have Tcl/Tk on Plan9, > We will also have "Grail", a web brawser written in Python. It would be nice to have a webfs server. I know the hardest part of a web browser is the html display, but to have something that would let you do echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get cat /mnt/web/data or echo 'http://bmj.com/cgi/reprint/320/7251/1713.pdf' > /mnt/web/get if ( ~ 'application/pdf' `{cat /mnt/web/header/Content-type}) { pdfview /mnt/web/data } and so on. It would make using existing tools simple, and could be hooked into plumber. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 18:48:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25716 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:48:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25711 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07641 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:48:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ishwar) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:48:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ish Rattan Message-Id: <200006292248.SAA07641@pali.cps.cmich.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] auth/cpu standalone and smtpd? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, I would like to send and receive mail on a Plan9 auth/cpu standalone. I am going through the e-mail section of `Getting started wirh Plan9'. I am not clear about sending remote email to gateway: 1. Is smtpd not capable of sending mail directly (to destination)? Can it accept e-mail directed to it? 2. Also, there is mention of internal and external smtpd (smtpd.conf and spmtpd.conf.ext), what is the difference between the two? Lastly, any one running smtpd would care to share the .conf and rewrite files? - ishwar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 18:52:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA25915 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:52:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25910 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0G.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.166]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05365 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:52:01 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07081 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:52:00 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:51:59 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Message-ID: <20000629155159.A7064@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu>; from jim.robinson@stanford.edu on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:27:08PM +0000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:27:08PM +0000, James A. Robinson wrote: > > Yes Tcl/Tk may be bloated. However, if we have Tcl/Tk on Plan9, > > We will also have "Grail", a web brawser written in Python. > > It would be nice to have a webfs server. I know the hardest part of a web > browser is the html display, but to have something that would let you do > > echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get > cat /mnt/web/data I like the idea, but I think there would have to be more than one web server name. If Plan 9 gets longer filenames, it would be Really Neat to be able to say 'cat /http/www.sciencemag.org'... -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 19:52:25 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA26849 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:52:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA26845 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:52:20 -0400 (EDT) From: bobf@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200006292352.TAA26845@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:52:17 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] auth/cpu standalone and smtpd? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > 1. Is smtpd not capable of sending mail directly (to destination)? > Can it accept e-mail directed to it? smtpd accepts incoming mail. it passes it to the mail pipeline where qer eventually queues it to disk and either executes smtp (via remotemail) directly or allows a cron queue sweep to actually send the mail. so, to answer your question, smtpd never sends mail directly; it only receives it. > 2. Also, there is mention of internal and external smtpd (smtpd.conf > and spmtpd.conf.ext), what is the difference between the two? our gateway system has two ethernets: one on our internal network and one on our outside network exposed to the internet. the smtpd.conf file only contains parameters to restrict the functionality of the smtpd daemon on the outside interface; for example, we don't allow relaying on that interface, but we do allow it on our inside network. we have two conf files, smtpd.conf and smtpd.conf.ext, and we bind the latter onto the former in /rc/bin/service.alt/tcp25, the incoming mail service. we also bind a special rewrite file, suitable for the external network onto our internal rewrite file. the net effect is that the smtpd daemon receiving mail on the external interface runs in a restricted mode compared to the same program when receiving mail from our internal network. i believe that the configuration files supplied with distribution illustrate the different parameter settings. > Lastly, any one running smtpd would care to share the .conf > and rewrite files? the rewrite files are often tailored to each domain, depending on the specific mail routing and network configuration. if you have a specific question, send it to me. same with the conf files. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 20:57:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA27939 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:57:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27933 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000630010106.11410.qmail@ken.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From arisawa Fri Jun 30 10:01:05 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3J (Enhance 2.1) Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Recent web pages are full of noisy commercials and junk images. Therefore it may be a good idea to have a brawser based mainly on text providing ability to get images in case of necessity. Then the ideas: > echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get > cat /mnt/web/data or > cat /http/www.sciencemag.org or some other operations like plumb may be nice for plan 9. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 21:21:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28420 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:21:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA28411 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137pU7-0000aN-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:20:47 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:18:03 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000630010106.11410.qmail@ken.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Hello, Recent web pages are full of noisy commercials and junk images. Therefore it may be a good idea to have a brawser based mainly on text providing ability to get images in case of necessity. Then the ideas: > echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get > cat /mnt/web/data or > cat /http/www.sciencemag.org or some other operations like plumb may be nice for plan 9. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 21:34:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA28731 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:34:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA28726 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 21:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006300133.VAA28726@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 24775 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2000 01:33:55 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 30 Jun 2000 01:33:55 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port In-reply-to: Message from Randolph Fritz of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:51:59 PDT."References: <20000629155159.A7064@cyber-dyne.com> <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <20000629155159.A7064@cyber-dyne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <24768.962328835.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:33:55 -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:27:08PM +0000, James A. Robinson wrote: > > I like the idea, but I think there would have to be more than one web > server name. If Plan 9 gets longer filenames, it would be Really > Neat to be able to say 'cat /http/www.sciencemag.org'... I was thinking of acme's model where each window get's it's own id and file system. So each host would have it's own hierarchy. My example was poor, I should have posted something along the lines of: /mnt/web/new/ctl (open a new proto://host:port) /mnt/web/new/get (get back an with data filled from GET) /mnt/web/id/get (quick 'n' dirty GET request) /mnt/web/id/set (set ?default? outgoing headers/httpauth) /mnt/web/id/post (longer data submissions?) /mnt/web/id/headers/* (incoming header response) /mnt/web/id/body (read the body of the response) Or somesuch. With a private namespace for each host, you don't worry about long filenames. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 22:17:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29545 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:17:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from prognet.com (prognet.com [205.219.198.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29541 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:17:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user ([172.21.104.107]) by prognet.com (8.9.2/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA00713 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> X-Sender: skipt@mail.real.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:18:48 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Skip Tavakkolian Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port In-Reply-To: <20000629155159.A7064@cyber-dyne.com> References: <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu It would be nice to follow the example of ftpfs, but http does not map to a filesystem nicely. I suspect that is why there is an hget in the distribution and not an httpfs. For example what should the content of /http/x.y.com/i.html be, if a GET of 'http://x.y.com/i.html' results in a redirect? How does one represent a query parameter of a URI in a filesystem (like http://x.y.com/i.html?user="sam")? etc. It seems that the display problems would be straight forward with LOTS of code to display HTML (?and interpret Javascript?) and a little code for a go-between filter to acme. At 03:51 PM 6/29/00 -0700, Randolph Fritz wrote: >On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:27:08PM +0000, James A. Robinson wrote: >> > Yes Tcl/Tk may be bloated. However, if we have Tcl/Tk on Plan9, >> > We will also have "Grail", a web brawser written in Python. >> >> It would be nice to have a webfs server. I know the hardest part of a web >> browser is the html display, but to have something that would let you do >> >> echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get >> cat /mnt/web/data > >I like the idea, but I think there would have to be more than one web >server name. If Plan 9 gets longer filenames, it would be Really >Neat to be able to say 'cat /http/www.sciencemag.org'... > >-- >Randolph Fritz >Eugene, Oregon, USA > > From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 22:24:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA29789 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:24:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from einstein.ssz.com (ravage@einstein.ssz.com [204.96.2.99]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29782 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA14361 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:41:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 20:41:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > It would be nice to follow the example of ftpfs, but http > does not map to a filesystem nicely. I must disagree here, for example: .../httpd/einstein.ssz.com/index.html /cdr /cdr/index.html /cliology /cliology/index.html /... /google.com ____________________________________________________________________ Life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. W. Shakespeare The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 22:36:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA00064 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:36:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA00060 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137qU7-00013m-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:24:51 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:55:06 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006300133.VAA28726@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 10:27:08PM +0000, James A. Robinson wrote: > > I like the idea, but I think there would have to be more than one web > server name. If Plan 9 gets longer filenames, it would be Really > Neat to be able to say 'cat /http/www.sciencemag.org'... I was thinking of acme's model where each window get's it's own id and file system. So each host would have it's own hierarchy. My example was poor, I should have posted something along the lines of: /mnt/web/new/ctl (open a new proto://host:port) /mnt/web/new/get (get back an with data filled from GET) /mnt/web/id/get (quick 'n' dirty GET request) /mnt/web/id/set (set ?default? outgoing headers/httpauth) /mnt/web/id/post (longer data submissions?) /mnt/web/id/headers/* (incoming header response) /mnt/web/id/body (read the body of the response) Or somesuch. With a private namespace for each host, you don't worry about long filenames. Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 23:02:18 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA00568 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:02:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00564 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:02:12 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000630030618.11474.qmail@ken.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From arisawa Fri Jun 30 12:06:17 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3J (Enhance 2.1) Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp References: <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, kip Tavakkolian wote: >How does one represent a query parameter of a URI >in a filesystem (like http://x.y.com/i.html?user="sam")? etc. File name i.html?user="sam" is admissible in Plan 9, although will not be recommended, and mapping GET method string to file name sometime requires longer name that exceeds the limit. Arisawa Kenji E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 29 23:51:12 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA01472 for 9fans-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA01467 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137rd6-0001cl-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:38:12 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:17:08 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000630030618.11474.qmail@ken.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, kip Tavakkolian wote: >How does one represent a query parameter of a URI >in a filesystem (like http://x.y.com/i.html?user="sam")? etc. File name i.html?user="sam" is admissible in Plan 9, although will not be recommended, and mapping GET method string to file name sometime requires longer name that exceeds the limit. Arisawa Kenji E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 01:09:01 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02419 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:09:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02414 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0J.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.169]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17516 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:08:52 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08555 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:08:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:08:51 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Message-ID: <20000629220850.A8523@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20000630010106.11410.qmail@ken.aichi-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000630010106.11410.qmail@ken.aichi-u.ac.jp>; from arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp on Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:57:02PM -0400 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:57:02PM -0400, arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > > Recent web pages are full of noisy commercials and junk images. > Therefore it may be a good idea to have a brawser based mainly > on text providing ability to get images in case of necessity. > Then the ideas: > > echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get > > cat /mnt/web/data > or > > cat /http/www.sciencemag.org > or some other operations like plumb may be nice for plan 9. > It depends...as an architecture student & photographer I deal in graphics, and many sites of architectural firms would simply not be usable without them--take a look at , for instance. Even for more conventionally-designed sites, a little bit of layout often makes all the difference between clarity and obscurity--I use lynx sometimes, but I don't enjoy it. :( Perhaps the thing to do is port Mozilla's NGLayout (aka Gecko (tm)*) HTML/XML rendering engine, and see what support it needs--most of the graphic components are already there, and Plan 9's graphics model has one excellent advantage over Windows and MacOS--it already does transparency, which CSS requires. Plan 9's distributed design might be well-suited to a modular browser; that might even become a popular app. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA * Gecko is a trademark of Netscape, Inc. :) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 01:13:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA02609 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:13:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA02602 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0J.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.169]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17686 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:13:27 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08574 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:13:26 -0700 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:13:26 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Message-ID: <20000629221326.B8523@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <20000629155159.A7064@cyber-dyne.com> <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> <200006300133.VAA28726@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200006300133.VAA28726@cse.psu.edu>; from jim.robinson@stanford.edu on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 01:55:06AM +0000 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 01:55:06AM +0000, James A. Robinson wrote: > > I was thinking of acme's model where each window get's it's own id and > file system. So each host would have it's own hierarchy. My example > was poor, I should have posted something along the lines of: > > /mnt/web/new/ctl (open a new proto://host:port) > /mnt/web/new/get (get back an with data filled from GET) > > /mnt/web/id/get (quick 'n' dirty GET request) > /mnt/web/id/set (set ?default? outgoing headers/httpauth) > /mnt/web/id/post (longer data submissions?) > /mnt/web/id/headers/* (incoming header response) > /mnt/web/id/body (read the body of the response) > > Or somesuch. With a private namespace for each host, you don't > worry about long filenames. > Having thought it over, I think you're right. As Skip T points out: > > It would be nice to follow the example of ftpfs, but http > does not map to a filesystem nicely. I suspect that is why there is > an hget in the distribution and not an httpfs. For example what should > the content of /http/x.y.com/i.html be, if a GET of 'http://x.y.com/i.html' > results in a redirect? How does one represent a query parameter of a URI > in a filesystem (like http://x.y.com/i.html?user="sam")? etc. > The following might be addressed by an NGLayout port: > > It seems that the display problems would be straight forward with LOTS > of code to display HTML (?and interpret Javascript?) and a little > code for a go-between filter to acme. > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:41:31PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > I must disagree here, for example: > > .../httpd/einstein.ssz.com/index.html > /cdr > /cdr/index.html > /cliology > /cliology/index.html > /... > /google.com > But many sites aren't organized that way. :( The web's metadata format is more confused than FTP's. Hmmm...I don't really understand W3's RDF metadata format, but that might offer a key to the problem. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 01:59:38 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA03226 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:59:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA03222 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:59:33 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006300559.BAA03222@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:00:28 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk >Not sure about 3c509 combos in a pc/cpu, but one works fine in my >fileserver. This is the very same case as me. Yes, two 3c509B are installed into file server and CPU server. The other one left is attempted to use for a terminal. Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 02:03:44 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03426 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:03:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from aubrey.stanford.edu (aubrey.Stanford.EDU [171.64.31.58]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA03419 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006300603.CAA03419@cse.psu.edu> Received: (qmail 10064 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2000 06:03:36 -0000 Received: from localhost.highwire.org (HELO aubrey.stanford.edu) (127.0.0.1) by localhost.highwire.org with SMTP; 30 Jun 2000 06:03:36 -0000 X-url: http://highwire.stanford.edu/~jimr/ X-face: "!ZH^<"U,NeU:732A To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port In-reply-to: Message from Randolph Fritz of "Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:13:26 PDT."References: <20000629221326.B8523@cyber-dyne.com> <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <20000629211635.261.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> <200006292202.SAA24290@cse.psu.edu> <20000629155159.A7064@cyber-dyne.com> <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> <200006300133.VAA28726@cse.psu.edu> <20000629221326.B8523@cyber-dyne.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <10057.962345015.1@aubrey.stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:03:36 -0700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:41:31PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > I must disagree here, for example: > > > > .../httpd/einstein.ssz.com/index.html > > But many sites aren't organized that way. :( The web's metadata format > is more confused than FTP's. Yes, in general I think it is a very poor protocol. It is very flexible about the name and parameters you can use to request a resource, but doesn't return a name/value indicating the canonical name of the resource you are retrieving. The problem, as you point out, is that many sites just aren't organized like this. If you request http://www.sciencemag.org/ You are not getting '/index.html' but '/index.dtl' with 'dtl' being a homegrown dynamic template language like shtml. Naturally what the browser sees is straight html (as with shtml), but the problems start to appear if you want to cache the resource or refer to it by it's resource name. If you cache it as '/index.html' then you will run into trouble when you try and and do a 'HEAD /index.html' to see if it has been modified. Our server will respond that it knows nothing about '/index.html' Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 02:06:10 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03611 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03601 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137tn2-0002WJ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:56:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:35:11 GMT From: randolph@cyber-dyne.com (Randolph Fritz) Message-ID: <20000629221326.B8523@cyber-dyne.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <3.0.5.32.20000629191848.008e84c0@mail.real.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 01:55:06AM +0000, James A. Robinson wrote: > > I was thinking of acme's model where each window get's it's own id and > file system. So each host would have it's own hierarchy. My example > was poor, I should have posted something along the lines of: > > /mnt/web/new/ctl (open a new proto://host:port) > /mnt/web/new/get (get back an with data filled from GET) > > /mnt/web/id/get (quick 'n' dirty GET request) > /mnt/web/id/set (set ?default? outgoing headers/httpauth) > /mnt/web/id/post (longer data submissions?) > /mnt/web/id/headers/* (incoming header response) > /mnt/web/id/body (read the body of the response) > > Or somesuch. With a private namespace for each host, you don't > worry about long filenames. > Having thought it over, I think you're right. As Skip T points out: > > It would be nice to follow the example of ftpfs, but http > does not map to a filesystem nicely. I suspect that is why there is > an hget in the distribution and not an httpfs. For example what should > the content of /http/x.y.com/i.html be, if a GET of 'http://x.y.com/i.html' > results in a redirect? How does one represent a query parameter of a URI > in a filesystem (like http://x.y.com/i.html?user="sam")? etc. > The following might be addressed by an NGLayout port: > > It seems that the display problems would be straight forward with LOTS > of code to display HTML (?and interpret Javascript?) and a little > code for a go-between filter to acme. > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:41:31PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > I must disagree here, for example: > > .../httpd/einstein.ssz.com/index.html > /cdr > /cdr/index.html > /cliology > /cliology/index.html > /... > /google.com > But many sites aren't organized that way. :( The web's metadata format is more confused than FTP's. Hmmm...I don't really understand W3's RDF metadata format, but that might offer a key to the problem. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 02:06:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA03621 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:06:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA03606 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137tn1-0002WD-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:56:35 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:28:04 GMT From: randolph@cyber-dyne.com (Randolph Fritz) Message-ID: <20000629220850.A8523@cyber-dyne.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <20000630010106.11410.qmail@ken.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:57:02PM -0400, arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp wrote: > > Recent web pages are full of noisy commercials and junk images. > Therefore it may be a good idea to have a brawser based mainly > on text providing ability to get images in case of necessity. > Then the ideas: > > echo 'http://www.sciencemag.org/' > /mnt/web/get > > cat /mnt/web/data > or > > cat /http/www.sciencemag.org > or some other operations like plumb may be nice for plan 9. > It depends...as an architecture student & photographer I deal in graphics, and many sites of architectural firms would simply not be usable without them--take a look at , for instance. Even for more conventionally-designed sites, a little bit of layout often makes all the difference between clarity and obscurity--I use lynx sometimes, but I don't enjoy it. :( Perhaps the thing to do is port Mozilla's NGLayout (aka Gecko (tm)*) HTML/XML rendering engine, and see what support it needs--most of the graphic components are already there, and Plan 9's graphics model has one excellent advantage over Windows and MacOS--it already does transparency, which CSS requires. Plan 9's distributed design might be well-suited to a modular browser; that might even become a popular app. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA * Gecko is a trademark of Netscape, Inc. :) From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 02:51:06 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04340 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:51:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04334 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137uPc-0002oQ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:36:28 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:26:05 GMT From: jim.robinson@stanford.edu (James A. Robinson) Message-ID: <200006300603.CAA03419@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: Reply-To: jim.robinson@stanford.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk > > On Thu, Jun 29, 2000 at 08:41:31PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > I must disagree here, for example: > > > > .../httpd/einstein.ssz.com/index.html > > But many sites aren't organized that way. :( The web's metadata format > is more confused than FTP's. Yes, in general I think it is a very poor protocol. It is very flexible about the name and parameters you can use to request a resource, but doesn't return a name/value indicating the canonical name of the resource you are retrieving. The problem, as you point out, is that many sites just aren't organized like this. If you request http://www.sciencemag.org/ You are not getting '/index.html' but '/index.dtl' with 'dtl' being a homegrown dynamic template language like shtml. Naturally what the browser sees is straight html (as with shtml), but the problems start to appear if you want to cache the resource or refer to it by it's resource name. If you cache it as '/index.html' then you will run into trouble when you try and and do a 'HEAD /index.html' to see if it has been modified. Our server will respond that it knows nothing about '/index.html' Jim From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 02:51:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA04356 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA04339 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137uPb-0002oK-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:36:27 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:17:06 GMT From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <200006300559.BAA03222@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="US-ASCII" Subject: Re: [9fans] diskless terminal? Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk >Not sure about 3c509 combos in a pc/cpu, but one works fine in my >fileserver. This is the very same case as me. Yes, two 3c509B are installed into file server and CPU server. The other one left is attempted to use for a terminal. Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 04:36:04 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05556 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05550 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137w9v-0003sI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:28:23 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:25:18 GMT From: Jakub Jermar Message-ID: <8jgbid$1ple$1@news.vol.cz> Organization: Video On Line Subject: [9fans] Getting to the source Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I've downloaded the 50M archive from the net as well as the boot image. Unfortunately, my computer has only 16M RAM so the boot dies of "no physical memory". Is there any way (besides buying more RAM) to get to the content of the archive (which is - I guess - merely a .gz file). I have already tried to gunzip it but I didn't get reasonable results. My computing environment is Linux - if you are aware of any useful tool or something... Thank you in advance, Jakub Jermar From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 04:46:15 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05771 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:46:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05758 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137w9t-0003s6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:28:21 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:24:36 GMT From: Russell Nelson Message-ID: Organization: Crynwr Software References: , <10006280950.ZM383063@marvin>, <395A5375.930BC5D8@savan.demon.co.uk> Subject: [9fans] 8088 compiling blit (was Re: Blit jerq etc - postscript) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Steve Simon writes: > Just in case someone is interested more, the BLIT > software has been released at > http://www.bell-labs.com/user/dwd/5620faq.html If anybody's interested, GPL'ed source code for my[1] 8088 compiling blit is at ftp://ftp.crynwr.com/pa/ . Most of a monochrome windowing system is there, all in 8088 assembly language. Look for compile_blit in painti.asm in pasrc.zip. [1] Patrick Naughton wrote substantial parts of Painter's Apprentice, however the compiling blit is all mine. -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Is Unix compatible with Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | Linux? From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 04:46:22 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA05784 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:46:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA05764 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137w9u-0003sC-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:28:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:24:55 GMT From: "Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko" Message-ID: <962304496.164232@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> Organization: Unknown References: , Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hiroki Tamakoshi wrote: > Hello, > Why do you think that is a bad idea? because this is not plan9 way (see plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/*) > Why do you push tcl/tk? because this is better approach in computer system design. there is power not only in graphics capabilities of tk, but in philosophy of tcl. systems are made of 'hard' pieses in c and etc by gluing with tcl and pipes. it is very close to real unix way (see upe by bwk&pike) > It is not the problem to choose gtk or tcl/tk. > My opinion is, from the point of view of the Human-Computer > Interaction, that Plan 9 should have a potential to establish a good > GUI for end users. Off course, there could be another solusion than there are popular oses with drag'n'drop, point'n'click, popup menus'n'windows they are used by housekeepers, clerks, sales managers and gamers. but why do so many people think this is only way? why Human-Computer Interface should be same for nuclear plant operator or airport dispetcher and for sales manager or housekeeper? i think plan9 is intended for cs researches, scientists in another fields, mission-critical applications experts and so. they are primary interact with computer by program it, order it and ask it. sometimes they browse web, look at experimental data and read ps/pdf/dvi then they need graphics interface. good Human-Computer Interaction for them is close to plan9 one and is far to gnome. > porting gtk. > (and even if porting gtk fail, porting glib is worthwhile, because > glib is a very useful library.) plan9 libc very useful too... at least i don't think tcl/tk very need in plan9 you can create server with filesystem interface or add some graphical capabilities in rc :))) there is not only one way to compute! From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 04:49:46 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06061 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:49:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06046 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137w9v-0003sO-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:28:23 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:25:47 GMT From: plan9 Message-ID: <395BB313.BA44A404@freemail.it> Organization: [Infostrada] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan9+S3 765 chipset Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hi to all.. I need help with this card The message error speaks about a problem with "frame buffer"... where can i find the the string for this card or chipset ? tnx in advance From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 04:49:55 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06077 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:49:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06055 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137w9w-0003sa-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:28:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:26:40 GMT From: Jonathan Sergent Message-ID: Organization: @Home Network References: , <200006300133.VAA28726@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 01:55:06 GMT, James A. Robinson wrote: >I was thinking of acme's model where each window get's it's own id and >file system. So each host would have it's own hierarchy. My example >was poor, I should have posted something along the lines of: > > /mnt/web/new/ctl (open a new proto://host:port) > /mnt/web/new/get (get back an with data filled from GET) > > /mnt/web/id/get (quick 'n' dirty GET request) > /mnt/web/id/set (set ?default? outgoing headers/httpauth) > /mnt/web/id/post (longer data submissions?) > /mnt/web/id/headers/* (incoming header response) > /mnt/web/id/body (read the body of the response) > >Or somesuch. With a private namespace for each host, you don't >worry about long filenames. Hmm... this is interesting. That seems right, or rather trying to map 'GET http://x/y/z' to /mnt/http/x/y/z seems bad for the reasons that there is no way to get a directory listing and because many HTTP semantics get lost; it doesn't feel like a good fit. What you describe sounds better. Seems like doing a new directory for each request would be better. I agree that it should be web instead of http and handle the necessary abstractions underneath for other types of URLs (FTP at the least; ideally also things like LDAP and such). It seems like it would be desirable to have some of the protocol semantics that are common for all applications handled in common (i.e. cookies, HTTP authentication). Cookies could show up as a top file that you can look at to see what is in your jar and send commands to in order to remove them. headers/* is useful for being protocol-specific, but some of the functionality there should be handled for the application, or at least abstracted out for different protocols (i.e. content-type, range, probably more) without trying to emulate HTTP headers on top of the other protocols. Doing a front end that works with acme seems like a good idea. It's not clear how nicely acme could display HTML, though. Even if we forgo graphics, we still want to do a good job with tables and such. --jss. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 04:49:59 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA06083 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:49:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA06052 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137w9w-0003sU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:28:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:26:24 GMT From: Steve Simon Message-ID: <395BEB97.B8A5DAF6@savan.demon.co.uk> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: steve@savan.demon.co.uk Subject: [9fans] install fdisk - overlapping partitions Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hi, I have now booted my machine and got rio started (Thanks again jim). However when I try to do a diskpart I get a complaint that partitions 1 & 2 overlap on the disk. I don't claim to understand the Extended partition table - I havent looked at this kind of thing for years, however the output from linux looks OK; the Windows FDISK.EXE also seems happy. The disk is 6.4G which is 1/3 NT, 1/3 Linux and 1/3 blank (will be Plan9). Linux debug info below: _______________________________________ # sfdisk -l /dev/hda Disk /dev/hda: 789 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System /dev/hda1 * 0+ 259 260- 2088418+ 6 FAT16 /dev/hda2 260 551 292 2345490 5 Extended /dev/hda3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hda4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hda5 260+ 261 2- 16033+ 83 Linux /dev/hda6 262+ 453 192- 1542208+ 83 Linux /dev/hda7 454+ 485 32- 257008+ 82 Linux swap /dev/hda8 486+ 551 66- 530113+ 83 Linux _______________________ Thanks for any/all help -Steve From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 05:08:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA06690 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:08:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.91.52]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id FAA06683 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-Id: <200006300908.FAA06683@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:08:57 +0900 Subject: [9fans] Why rio instead of 8B= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Well, I'm now getting familier with new graphic engine, and getting a feeling of why this version is so slow to draw. After I saw the new release, I'm now getting to have an idea to drop the old Sparcs (sigh). Please make me clear what is the reason why the new release adopted new graphic model. Thanks in advance. Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 05:51:08 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA07132 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:51:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA07128 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 05:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137xJO-0004Xz-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:42:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:35:07 GMT From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <200006300908.FAA06683@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: [9fans] Why rio instead of 8B= Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Well, I'm now getting familier with new graphic engine, and getting a feeling of why this version is so slow to draw. After I saw the new release, I'm now getting to have an idea to drop the old Sparcs (sigh). Please make me clear what is the reason why the new release adopted new graphic model. Thanks in advance. Kenji From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 06:16:16 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA07604 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:16:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from is.aist-nara.ac.jp (enterprise.aist-nara.ac.jp [163.221.80.21]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA07600 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8016 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2000 19:15:48 +0900 Received: from migi.aist-nara.ac.jp (163.221.92.73) by ismailgate.aist-nara.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Jun 2000 19:15:48 +0900 Received: from hiroki-t by migi.aist-nara.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 137xps-0007UX-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:15:48 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port References: <962304496.164232@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by EMIKO 1.13.9 - "Euglena tripteris") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Hiroki Tamakoshi Date: 30 Jun 2000 19:15:48 +0900 In-Reply-To: <962304496.164232@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> (Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko's message of "Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:24:55 GMT") Message-ID: Lines: 42 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.13.3 (based on Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) EMIKO/1.13.9 (Euglena tripteris) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) APEL/10.2 Emacs/20.7 (alpha-debian-linux-gnu) MULE/4.0 (HANANOEN) Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko writes: > why Human-Computer Interface should be same for nuclear plant operator > or airport dispetcher and for sales manager or housekeeper? > there is not only one way to compute! I completely agree with the above opinion. > Hiroki Tamakoshi wrote: > > > Why do you think that is a bad idea? > because this is not plan9 way (see plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/*) Ok, I'll read them later. > > Why do you push tcl/tk? > because this is better approach in computer system design. I'll consult the underlining philosophy of tcl/tk. Do you know any good documentation? > i think plan9 is intended for cs researches, scientists in another fields, > mission-critical applications experts and so. they are primary > interact with computer by program it, order it and ask it. > sometimes they browse web, look at experimental data > and read ps/pdf/dvi then they need graphics interface. > good Human-Computer Interaction for them is close to plan9 one > and is far to gnome. If Plan 9 is intended for researchers, say professionals, there's no need heavily decorative GUI, I also think so. But I want to use Plan 9 as a home computer system, because it is a very good computer system. MS Windows is not reliable to use, and I prefer Plan 9 than UNIX because Plan 9 is more sophisticated than latter. Suppose NEXTSTEP like environment on Plan 9. It is very good system to both researchers and users at home, isn't it? > plan9 libc very useful too... Yes. And glib also contains usuful functions such as tree, hash, etc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 06:51:09 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA08001 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:51:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA07997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 137yCJ-0006Fi-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:38:59 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:36:48 GMT From: hiroki-t@is.aist-nara.ac.jp (Hiroki Tamakoshi) Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII References: Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello, Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko writes: > why Human-Computer Interface should be same for nuclear plant operator > or airport dispetcher and for sales manager or housekeeper? > there is not only one way to compute! I completely agree with the above opinion. > Hiroki Tamakoshi wrote: > > > Why do you think that is a bad idea? > because this is not plan9 way (see plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/*) Ok, I'll read them later. > > Why do you push tcl/tk? > because this is better approach in computer system design. I'll consult the underlining philosophy of tcl/tk. Do you know any good documentation? > i think plan9 is intended for cs researches, scientists in another fields, > mission-critical applications experts and so. they are primary > interact with computer by program it, order it and ask it. > sometimes they browse web, look at experimental data > and read ps/pdf/dvi then they need graphics interface. > good Human-Computer Interaction for them is close to plan9 one > and is far to gnome. If Plan 9 is intended for researchers, say professionals, there's no need heavily decorative GUI, I also think so. But I want to use Plan 9 as a home computer system, because it is a very good computer system. MS Windows is not reliable to use, and I prefer Plan 9 than UNIX because Plan 9 is more sophisticated than latter. Suppose NEXTSTEP like environment on Plan 9. It is very good system to both researchers and users at home, isn't it? > plan9 libc very useful too... Yes. And glib also contains usuful functions such as tree, hash, etc. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 09:21:17 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10397 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:21:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from presto.hci-net ([212.240.227.6]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10393 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:21:11 -0400 (EDT) From: rog@vitanuova.com Message-Id: <200006301321.JAA10393@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:24:31 0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk > Suppose NEXTSTEP like environment on Plan 9. It is very good system to > both researchers and users at home, isn't it? plan 9 is better. not prettier, but much more powerful. nextstep/openstep/(maxosX?) suffers from the same problems of most GUIs - too many widgets, not enough generality. if you use plan 9 for a bit, you'll grow to like and rely upon its sparsity and power. rog. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 09:26:26 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA10589 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:26:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA10584 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1380h7-0004ru-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:18:57 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:02:36 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Message-ID: <8ji3qr$3q2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Subject: [9fans] fd2path Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk I think fd2path's return value should be: -1 - error 0 - pathname returned >0 - pathname returned, missing n bytes In the last case you could loop on calling malloc until you got the whole thing. I think all static n byte buffer writing functions should act like this and all return values should be nul terminated. Can't be hard to do and it'd make life easier; a generic fd2path that uses a dynamically malloc'd chunk of memory that grows as needs be, returning NULL or a pointer to the (nul terminated) malloc'd area. -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 09:51:37 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11234 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:51:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11220 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1381Bh-0005B4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:50:33 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:48:13 GMT From: rog@vitanuova.com Message-ID: <200006301321.JAA10393@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk > Suppose NEXTSTEP like environment on Plan 9. It is very good system to > both researchers and users at home, isn't it? plan 9 is better. not prettier, but much more powerful. nextstep/openstep/(maxosX?) suffers from the same problems of most GUIs - too many widgets, not enough generality. if you use plan 9 for a bit, you'll grow to like and rely upon its sparsity and power. rog. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 09:51:45 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA11244 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA11225 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 09:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1381Bg-0005Ay-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:50:32 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:35:44 GMT From: "Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko" Message-ID: <962371275.515522@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> Organization: Unknown References: , Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hiroki Tamakoshi wrote: >> because this is not plan9 way (see plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/*) > Ok, I'll read them later. you should read it now, for whole picture (and ../man/* too) > I'll consult the underlining philosophy of tcl/tk. Do you know any > good documentation? www.scriptics.com there many online docs and papers, and links to handbooks and intros. the best detailed docs are man pages from distribution > But I want to use Plan 9 as a home computer system, because it is a > very good computer system. MS Windows is not reliable to use, and I > prefer Plan 9 than UNIX because Plan 9 is more sophisticated than latter. plan9 is _less_ sophisticated than unix! compare posix threads with plan9 generalized fork! try to write hellow_world.c in X! perfection is reached then there is nothing to drop not then there is nothing to add plan9 is closest to perfection > Suppose NEXTSTEP like environment on Plan 9. It is very good system to > both researchers and users at home, isn't it? maybe you should install linux, x, afterstep and choose nextish look&feel? if you 9fan enjoy with rio best regards, Hiroki From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 10:06:23 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12190 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:06:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12186 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1381Nf-0005K1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:02:55 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:50:49 GMT From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: <8ji77h$10b1$4@pandora.alkar.net> Organization: Alkar-Teleport News server References: <395BB313.BA44A404@freemail.it> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9+S3 765 chipset Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk plan9 wrote: > Hi to all.. I need help with this card > The message error speaks about a problem with "frame buffer"... where > can i find the the string for this card or chipset ? I think you may pick enough expressive identifying string from the video bios dump you may be getting. Remember its starting address (e.g., C004B) and symbols, e.g. 86C765. Find appropriate string group in vgadb on boot diskette and insert there the string you found in dump, obeying the string format. Try to boot from diskette again. If your graphics works well now, do disk/kfscmd allow a: cp /n/a:/vgadb /lib/ then try to boot from harddisk again. However if you get something different from video bios dump, you just have to give us more information. -- mwg@alkar.net From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 10:28:33 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA12776 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from marge.cyber-dyne.com (root@marge.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.1]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12771 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cyber-dyne.com (IDENT:root@rac0G.cyber-dyne.com [207.189.172.166]) by marge.cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA29805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:28:25 -0700 Received: (from randolph@localhost) by cyber-dyne.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10766 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:28:23 -0700 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:28:23 -0700 From: Randolph Fritz To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Message-ID: <20000630072823.D10630@cyber-dyne.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <962304496.164232@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from hiroki-t@is.aist-nara.ac.jp on Fri, Jun 30, 2000 at 07:15:48PM +0900 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk In my view, arguing about usability--though very common--generates more heat than light; there is simply no way to predict such things without testing, making for a very different design regime than that of a software system with a well-defined specification; in software with a substantial HCI component, the user is the specification. In my view, the visual component of an interface is an important means of communication with the user, not simply decorative. An architectural example will perhaps help: who here has encountered a building without a clearly indicated entrance? Of those of us who have, what was the experience of finding that entrance like? Both of those things said, I agree that gnome/gtk/gdk is not very 9ish. However, having them available will make Plan 9 more accessible to a wider user and developer community, which seems to me likely to be positive. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 10:43:54 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13250 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:43:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from borf.com (workbench.borf.com [205.185.197.105]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA13246 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:43:49 -0400 (EDT) From: bwc@borf.com Message-Id: <200006301443.KAA13246@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:45:18 EDT Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Much of Plan 9's beauty lies in elegance. Elegance is defined as tasteful opulence. If we union plan 9 with everything that has come before it in the name of attracting more people, we loose the elegance. I'm for keeping the tastefulness. Brantley `If you want PL/I you know where to get it.' -- Dennis Ritchie > Both of those things said, I agree that gnome/gtk/gdk is not very > 9ish. However, having them available will make Plan 9 more accessible > to a wider user and developer community, which seems to me likely to > be positive. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 10:51:13 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA13501 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13497 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13824r-0005qI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:47:33 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:46:51 GMT From: randolph@cyber-dyne.com (Randolph Fritz) Message-ID: <20000630072823.D10630@cyber-dyne.com> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk In my view, arguing about usability--though very common--generates more heat than light; there is simply no way to predict such things without testing, making for a very different design regime than that of a software system with a well-defined specification; in software with a substantial HCI component, the user is the specification. In my view, the visual component of an interface is an important means of communication with the user, not simply decorative. An architectural example will perhaps help: who here has encountered a building without a clearly indicated entrance? Of those of us who have, what was the experience of finding that entrance like? Both of those things said, I agree that gnome/gtk/gdk is not very 9ish. However, having them available will make Plan 9 more accessible to a wider user and developer community, which seems to me likely to be positive. -- Randolph Fritz Eugene, Oregon, USA From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 11:24:58 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14436 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:24:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14432 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1382Rw-0006jy-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:11:24 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:06:29 GMT From: bwc@borf.com Message-ID: <200006301443.KAA13246@cse.psu.edu> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Much of Plan 9's beauty lies in elegance. Elegance is defined as tasteful opulence. If we union plan 9 with everything that has come before it in the name of attracting more people, we loose the elegance. I'm for keeping the tastefulness. Brantley `If you want PL/I you know where to get it.' -- Dennis Ritchie > Both of those things said, I agree that gnome/gtk/gdk is not very > 9ish. However, having them available will make Plan 9 more accessible > to a wider user and developer community, which seems to me likely to > be positive. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 12:06:11 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA15550 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:06:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA15546 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 13834S-0007ID-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:51:12 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:40:42 GMT From: Boyd Roberts Message-ID: <8jiepd$ckp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. References: <200006291340.JAA06630@pali.cps.cmich.edu>, <20000629204158.249.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] netkey for Plan9 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk In article <20000629204158.249.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp>, Kenji Arisawa wrote: > Hello. > > >Does anybody has source/binary for netkey to run under > FreeBSD/Linux? > > Look at ftp://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/ Look at: http://www.planete.net/~boyd/code/des.msg It has some plan 9 support. Can't be too hard to write netkey from that. From the comment: There are two parts to this; a UNIX DES implementation and some Plan 9 support for UNIX which uses the DES implementaton. The Plan 9 support gives you encrypt(2) and netcrypt(2). The only significant difference between my DES and the Plan 9 DES is that Plan 9 packs a DES key into 7 bytes, while I use 8. In the Plan 9 support there's a function (des9key) which does the key conversion (Plan 9 -> 8 bytes). The versions of encrypt and decrypt should call des9key() before invoking deskey(), so it's transparent. The DES implementation has a Makefile, manual entry and test program. The Plan 9 support comes with no Makefile support, that's up to you. [the DES is not fast, but it is correct: correctness, then speed] -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 13:06:29 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA17172 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:06:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA17168 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1384ES-00009N-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:05:36 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:51:12 GMT From: Michael Message-ID: <395CF6C2.C33A3F3D@att.net> Organization: AT&T Worldnet Content-Type: multipart/mixed; Reply-To: sanfranmike@worldnet.att.net Subject: [9fans] Help with S3 video card needed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------95EFA014DA2A055F43CA9CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After booting with the original boot disk and getting "controller not in vgadb" I added a line for my controller at Cx0040 just below the other S3 cards. After rebooting with the edited vgadb I don't get the failure message and the vgainfo.txt file, I don't get the failure message but I also don't get any graphics screen. It just sits there. Can anyone help? I've included the vgainfo.txt file generated in the first boot. Thanks, Mike --------------95EFA014DA2A055F43CA9CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="Vgainfo.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Vgainfo.txt" aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb 0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 04 37 34 30 30 E9 5C 13 00 00 00 00 U.@..7400.\..... 0xC0010 F0 56 00 00 00 00 00 00 C8 01 2F 4F 33 4F 49 42 .V......../O3OIB 0xC0020 4D 20 56 47 41 20 43 6F 6D 70 61 74 69 62 6C 65 M VGA Compatible 0xC0030 20 42 49 4F 53 2E 20 00 BB 66 A8 01 83 01 12 00 BIOS. ..f...... 0xC0040 00 FF 00 00 53 33 20 38 36 43 4D 36 35 20 56 69 ....S3 86CM65 Vi 0xC0050 64 65 6F 20 42 49 4F 53 2E 20 56 65 72 73 69 6F deo BIOS. Versio 0xC0060 6E 20 31 2E 30 32 2D 30 35 0D 0A 43 6F 70 79 72 n 1.02-05..Copyr 0xC0070 69 67 68 74 20 31 39 39 36 20 53 33 20 49 6E 63 ight 1996 S3 Inc 0xC0080 6F 72 70 6F 72 61 74 65 64 2E 0D 0A 00 00 00 00 orporated....... 0xC0090 00 00 00 00 30 37 2F 32 36 2F 39 36 30 37 2F 32 ....07/26/9607/2 0xC00A0 36 2F 39 36 01 00 01 09 02 00 05 09 2F 37 3F 37 6/96......../7?7 0xC00B0 69 37 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 53 57 FF 7F i7..........SW.. 0xC00C0 CD 37 00 00 8D 03 00 00 00 01 FA 02 FA 03 FA 19 .7.............. 0xC00D0 38 48 39 A5 31 05 32 40 33 00 34 00 35 00 3A 05 8H9.1.2@3.4.5.:. 0xC00E0 3C 10 42 00 43 00 45 00 51 00 53 00 55 00 58 43 <.B.C.E.Q.S.U.XC 0xC00F0 5D 00 5E 00 63 00 65 00 66 88 67 00 68 CD 69 00 ].^.c.e.f.g.h.i. main->snarf vga->snarf vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 00 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 00 9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 08 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init dbdumpmode type=vga, size=640x480x1 frequency=25175000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 00 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 FF 0F 00 00 vga apz 0 vga linear 0 main->exits --------------95EFA014DA2A055F43CA9CA0-- From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 16:28:40 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21920 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aspen.cs.unr.edu (aspen.cs.unr.edu [134.197.40.251]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21914 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from banyan.cs.unr.edu (banyan.cs.unr.edu [134.197.40.54]) by aspen.cs.unr.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA10922; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (beleos@localhost) by banyan.cs.unr.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA21742; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: banyan.cs.unr.edu: beleos owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Louis N. Beleos" To: sanfranmike@worldnet.att.net cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Help with S3 video card needed In-Reply-To: <395CF6C2.C33A3F3D@att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Michael wrote: > ... > After booting with the original boot disk and getting "controller not in > vgadb" I added a line for my controller at Cx0040 just below the other > S3 cards. After rebooting with the edited vgadb I don't get the failure > message and the vgainfo.txt file, I don't get the failure message but I > also don't get any graphics screen. It just sits there. Can anyone help? > ... Do you get a shell prompt? What do your plan9.ini entries for 'monitor= ' and 'vgasize= ' look like? -- Louis From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 16:51:14 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA22672 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:51:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA22668 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1387hv-00022p-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:48:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:45:19 GMT From: beleos@cs.unr.edu (Louis N. Beleos) Message-ID: Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <395CF6C2.C33A3F3D@att.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Help with S3 video card needed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Fri, 30 Jun 2000, Michael wrote: > ... > After booting with the original boot disk and getting "controller not in > vgadb" I added a line for my controller at Cx0040 just below the other > S3 cards. After rebooting with the edited vgadb I don't get the failure > message and the vgainfo.txt file, I don't get the failure message but I > also don't get any graphics screen. It just sits there. Can anyone help? > ... Do you get a shell prompt? What do your plan9.ini entries for 'monitor= ' and 'vgasize= ' look like? -- Louis From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 18:03:02 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24075 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:03:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (none@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA24069 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20000630213500.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> MBOX-Line: From kenji Sat Jul 1 06:34:59 2000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3J v130.3) Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa References: <200006301443.KAA13246@cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello. >> Suppose NEXTSTEP like environment on Plan 9. It is very good >> system to both researchers and users at home, isn't it? >plan 9 is better. >not prettier, but much more powerful. I love both Plan 9 and NEXTSTEP. Both are beautiful in different meaning. I use NEXTSTEP in writing documents. On the other hand I work with Plan 9 for programming. The programming environment of Plan 9 is better than NEXTSTEP partly because C library is well organized and partly because acme is not bad for programming. My wife uses Windows and my son loves NEXTSTEP. Both of them never use Plan 9. Plan 9 and NEXTSTEP are different in concept. The difference comes from the supposed users of these operating systems. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 18:36:19 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA24676 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:36:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA24670 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1389Mu-0002q4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:34:40 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 22:25:13 GMT From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp Message-ID: <20000630213500.257.qmail@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp> Organization: Plan 9 mailing list Content-Type: text/plain References: <200006301443.KAA13246@cse.psu.edu> Reply-To: Kenji Arisawa Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk Hello. >> Suppose NEXTSTEP like environment on Plan 9. It is very good >> system to both researchers and users at home, isn't it? >plan 9 is better. >not prettier, but much more powerful. I love both Plan 9 and NEXTSTEP. Both are beautiful in different meaning. I use NEXTSTEP in writing documents. On the other hand I work with Plan 9 for programming. The programming environment of Plan 9 is better than NEXTSTEP partly because C library is well organized and partly because acme is not bad for programming. My wife uses Windows and my son loves NEXTSTEP. Both of them never use Plan 9. Plan 9 and NEXTSTEP are different in concept. The difference comes from the supposed users of these operating systems. Kenji Arisawa E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp From owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 30 23:33:43 2000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA28256 for 9fans-outgoing; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:33:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from pop.ajubasolutions.com (pop.ajubasolutions.com [209.24.201.136]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA28251 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 23:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from khaavren (mes133009080.airdata.net [166.133.9.80] (may be forged)) by pop.ajubasolutions.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16935; Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000630202924.00d076a0@mail1.ajubasolutions.com> X-Sender: berry@mail1.ajubasolutions.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:32:27 -0700 To: "Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko" , 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Berry Kercheval Subject: Re: [9fans] gtk port In-Reply-To: <962371275.515522@jet.ncc.icyb.kiev.ua> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk At 01:35 PM 06/30/2000 +0000, Artem 'Thomas' Hlushko wrote: > > I'll consult the underlining philosophy of tcl/tk. Do you know any > > good documentation? >www.scriptics.com Actually, the developer's site is what you want, and the name has changed. Scriptics is now Ajuba Solutions. Try http://dev.ajubasolutions.com The Scriptics names will redirect to ajuba. (I work for but do not represent Ajuba) --berry -- Berry Kercheval :: Ajuba Solutions :: http://www.ajubasolutions.com Berry@ajubasolutions.com (Formerly Scriptics Corp.)