From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 1 05:42:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 1 05:42:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27552 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Sep 2002 05:42:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27548 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 05:42:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 05:42:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7A9019999; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03D9F19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.5/8.12.5/ic) with ESMTP id g7VKf7BO085380 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:41:12 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup09.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.24]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03567 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:40:53 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02083123372000.00584@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] influence of the Oberon concepts of user interface on Plan 9 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:44:31 -0400 hello, I read one article of our ukrainian technical autor about Oberon OS and it tells that ``Oberon concepts of user interface have renderred essential influence on developers new perspective OS, in the first place, Plan 9'', if this true, how? -ask From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 1 06:04:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 1 06:04:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27756 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Sep 2002 06:04:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27752 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 06:04:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 06:04:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B6E8199EE; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7EC75199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5656b566a325d07b45e21e0867783b55@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] influence of the Oberon concepts of user interface on Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:03:13 -0400 Acme was inspired by Oberon. There is some text to that effect in the Acme paper. You can download Oberon as a user-space program running on lots of systems (search google). If you use it for only a little while you'll see a lot of where Acme came from. I tried this a few months ago and was really frustrated by the interface. It was simultaneously so close to and subtly different from Acme that I never really got the hang of it. (Of course, that's not necessarily Oberon's fault; if I'd learned Oberon first maybe Acme would be infuriating.) 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From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 1 22:39:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 1 22:39:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7039 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Sep 2002 22:39:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7035 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2002 22:39:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Sep 2002 22:39:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BCD1199BB; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 15A8F1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 135.255.41.149 ([135.255.41.149]) by plan9; Sun Sep 1 09:38:07 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <001901c26a19$248de1c0$9529ff87@caryl> From: "david presotto" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] wavelan cards question: orinoco is/is not avaya? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:38:47 -0400 In my 9 month stint with Avaya, we were selling Orinoco cards under the Avaya trademark. However, as I was leaving (in March) the talk was to drop Orinoco in favor of something else for our rebrand. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] wavelan cards question: orinoco is/is not avaya? > > I don't think Avaya cards have anything to do > > with Orinoco. The WaveLAN/Orinoco cards went > > to Agere, and have recently been bought by Proxim. > > Nevertheless, > > 1. A quick search of the 'net suggests that the Avaya card > has the Hermes chipset (www.hoelzner.de/security/wlan.php), > same as Orinoco > > 2. The FreeBSD driver does not have any special recognition in > it for Avaya, yet the releases notes specially mention support. > > 3. Avaya sell exactly the same range of products as Orinoco, right > down to the sexy range extender antenna, and 'silver' and > 'gold' cards > > I think it will identify itself as Lucent/Wavelan. You can check this > of course. > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 18:24:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 18:24:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23298 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 18:24:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23294 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 18:24:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 18:24:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9602C199B9; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A65B6199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17lnHX-0005uq-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:14:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Adrian Tritschler Message-ID: Organization: Monash Uni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl+c in rc? stopping process execution? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:13:41 GMT nigel@9fs.org wrote: > There is only OTIK. It's Del, not Ctrl-C. > > So, hit the Del key (just to the right of Enter on my keybaord). I find it quite inconvenient having to reach all the way across to the DEL key on Nigel's keyboard, so I use my own. > Nigel Adrian > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > [9fans] ctrl+c in rc? stopping process execution? > From: > gimpie > Date: > Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:57:03 GMT > To: > 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > > Hello, > > how do i stop an execution of a command in progress? --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:Adrian.Tritschler@its.monash.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 18:24:48 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 18:24:48 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23305 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 18:24:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23301 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 18:24:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 18:24:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0826F1999B; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EA49199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17lnHW-0005ue-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:14:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: FODEMESI Gergely Message-ID: Organization: Budapest University of Technology and Economics Subject: [9fans] ar man page Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:13:14 GMT I think somebody inadvertently left a "try this out" in the first description line of the man page to ar. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 18:25:06 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 18:25:06 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23314 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 18:25:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23310 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 18:25:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 18:25:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86CB41998C; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDA62199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17lnHV-0005uP-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:14:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3D6FDAA3.8197CD67@null.net> Organization: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: [9fans] Re: ctrl+c in rc? stopping process execution? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:12:45 GMT gimpie wrote: > how do i stop an execution of a command in progress? You ought to be able to send a stop message to the process' control "file". However, I haven't looked into this and don't know whether it is implemented. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 18:25:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 18:25:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23323 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 18:25:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23319 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 18:25:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 18:25:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA3E6199DD; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30C081999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17lnHW-0005uY-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:14:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: FODEMESI Gergely Message-ID: Organization: Budapest University of Technology and Economics Subject: [9fans] invalid declaration of ioproc() in thread.h? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:13:02 GMT in /sys/include/thread.h: Ioproc* ioproc(void) though in /sys/src/libdraw/[keyboard|mouse].c static void ioproc(void *arg) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 18:25:59 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 18:25:59 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23339 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 18:25:59 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23335 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 18:25:58 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 18:25:58 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A50619A0C; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCD2A199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17lnHX-0005uk-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 10:14:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Nick Roberts Message-ID: <3d729bbe.68184539@news.cis.dfn.de> Organization: AdaOS References: <86e2dbb4.0208291800.5cfd604c@posting.google.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: plan 9 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:13:26 GMT On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:57:14 GMT, Isaac Stern strongly typed: >I have heard lots of good things about plan9 in a past. How it is >innovative OS and it takes file abstractions step futher then UNIX, >but have never really made any serious research on topic. >Could someone please sum up for me what is new in plan 9 besides it >being "multiserver/distribured" OS. I think one of the tenets of the design is to make everything a file (perhaps with the idea of uniformly applying file security controls to everything). Thus all devices are seen as files, various OS abstractions, such as pipes and message queues, are seen as files, and so on. I personally think this is a daft idea. The object-oriented OS concept is far more flexible and powerful. -- Nick Roberts From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 19:12:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 19:12:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24076 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 19:12:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24071 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 19:12:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 19:12:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEA9319991; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 06:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F212A19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 06:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g82ABHx8024672 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:11:19 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g82ABGiY024671 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:11:16 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 Message-ID: <20020902121114.W19524@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <86e2dbb4.0208291800.5cfd604c@posting.google.com> <3d729bbe.68184539@news.cis.dfn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <3d729bbe.68184539@news.cis.dfn.de>; from Nick Roberts on Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:13:26AM +0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:11:14 +0200 On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 09:13:26AM +0000, Nick Roberts wrote: > > I personally think this is a daft idea. The object-oriented OS concept is > far more flexible and powerful. > A dangerous comment to make. Now I'll sit here holding my breath until you're done implementing such a wonderment. Please don't forget to let us all know when you're finished. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 21:29:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 21:29:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25512 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 21:29:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25508 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 21:29:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 21:29:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D26AB199BE; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A7C6F199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <597ca2592aa02de823cfe89d8d28c7f2@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:28:57 -0400 Plan 9 _is_ object-oriented (in the original Smalltalk sense, not the perverted C++ sense). Its objects are files. If all you're going to do is troll, go away. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 21:32:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 21:32:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25546 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 21:32:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25542 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 21:32:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 21:32:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B588C199D5; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6A3B0199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e3d5756774cb50a8625932e47873008@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] invalid declaration of ioproc() in thread.h? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:31:20 -0400 Fixed, sorry. The ioproc(2) part of the thread library is new. There may be other name conflicts. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 21:32:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 21:32:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25554 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 21:32:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25550 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 21:32:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 21:32:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 773B9199ED; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FCA3199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk ([194.222.126.246] helo=localhost.localdomain) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17lqN0-000KgH-0X for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:31:55 +0100 Received: from whitecrow (IDENT:steve@whitecrow [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01326 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:09:36 +0100 Message-Id: <200209021209.NAA01326@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Roberts of "Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:13:26 GMT." <3d729bbe.68184539@news.cis.dfn.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steve Kilbane Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 13:09:36 +0100 > I think one of the tenets of the design is to make everything a file > (perhaps with the idea of uniformly applying file security controls to > everything). Thus all devices are seen as files, various OS abstractions, > such as pipes and message queues, are seen as files, and so on. "Everyone is entitled to an *informed* opinion." --- Harlan Ellison. steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 22:23:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 22:23:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26117 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 22:23:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26113 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 22:23:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 22:23:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8A0D199EC; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail505.nifty.com (mail505.nifty.com [202.248.37.213]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93B05199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by mail505.nifty.com (8.12.4/3.7W-02/25/02) with ESMTP id g82DKPxU012312 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:20:25 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Moroo Jun To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [9fans] secondary dns Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:20:24 +0900 Can plan9 dns server have secondary DNS server? Can plan9 dns server set up as secondary DNS server for other dns server (ex. bind with unix)? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 23:15:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 23:15:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26630 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 23:15:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26626 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 23:15:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:15:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66DBC19991; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3638019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2486001 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 08:14:04 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 08:14:04 -0600 Received: (qmail 18678 invoked by uid 3499); 2 Sep 2002 08:14:03 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 08:14:03 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 In-Reply-To: <3d729bbe.68184539@news.cis.dfn.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:14:03 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Nick Roberts wrote: > I personally think this is a daft idea. The object-oriented OS concept is > far more flexible and powerful. any examples that don't totally suck? ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 23:17:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 23:17:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26668 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 23:17:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26664 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 23:17:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:17:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A682C199B7; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 42A051999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2480450 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 08:16:17 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 08:16:17 -0600 Received: (qmail 18682 invoked by uid 3499); 2 Sep 2002 08:16:17 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 08:16:17 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 In-Reply-To: <597ca2592aa02de823cfe89d8d28c7f2@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:16:17 -0600 (MDT) On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > Plan 9 _is_ object-oriented (in the original Smalltalk > sense, not the perverted C++ sense). Its objects are files. > If all you're going to do is troll, go away. this is the frustrating thing which I hit all the time. I tell people about Plan 9 and they bring up Mach or some other disaster (K42 is the latest in this long list) and say those other OO systems are better. Why? Well, because. Because why? well, it's OO. arg. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 23:27:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 23:27:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26770 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 23:27:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26766 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 23:27:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:27:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FBB1199ED; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D7B28199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <56ba7b13060d2a7b67e4823301e87c8f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ar man page MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:26:17 -0400 umm, thanks. fixed. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 2 23:45:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 2 23:45:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26969 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Sep 2002 23:45:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26965 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2002 23:45:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Sep 2002 23:45:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86891199BC; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CCAA9199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 10:44:31 -0400 Ron's comment makes me think I should have explained myself a little more, and anyway I have a fun story. The whole fad OO argument saddens me, since Plan 9 probably pushes the real point of OO -- consistent and reused interfaces -- farther than any other system. The problem with the current fad OO world is that there are hardly any consistently-used interfaces, so you lose all the potential reuse. Plan 9 may only have one real interface but we sure do reuse it a LOT. And we really do have many interfaces, such as the one presented to a cpu server by a terminal (and by drawterm), or the one presented to clients by kernel graphics drivers (and by rio, and by vncs, and by drawterm), or the authentication files presented by the 3e kernels (and by authfs), or the auth files presented by auth/factotum (and by auth/factotum, whenever you care to reinvoke it!), and on and on. I would very much like to hear about any systems that are more object oriented. I got an iPod a few days ago, one of the spiffy new Windows ones that have a FAT32 file system. It came with MusicMatch Jukebox, which was exhibiting some bugs in the actual downloading to the iPod. There were various people who'd written software for Windows to talk to the Mac iPod (which has an HFS+ file system), software that was supposed to be quite good, and I mourned the fact that I couldn't use it. Then I remembered that all the Windows software for talking with the Mac iPod was layered on top of a general Mac file system driver, so that the iPod was actually mounted by Windows and manipulated via file system operations. Well, I reasoned, my iPod is already mounted, so I'll install the iPod software, ignore the Mac FS drivers, and point the software at my already-mounted FAT32 iPod. It worked the first time. Imagine if everything behaved like that, presenting good interfaces so that only the interface rather than the actual details of the implementation mattered. You'd have Plan 9. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 00:05:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 00:05:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27136 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 00:05:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27132 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 00:05:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 00:05:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 031BE1998C; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 452771998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.35]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020902150401.FBZK1968.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:04:01 +0100 Message-ID: <00be01c25291$fabe0d50$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] OO plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:04:03 +0100 I would contend that the OO concepts of polymorphism, inheritance can be expressed through mount and bind. It would be farily trivial to write class factories with rc. It just so happens that most of the supplied 'objects' are application sized. Besides OO is just a struct with a pointer to itself and all of it's functions, the rest is just syntax and macros ;) m --- Outgoing mail is certified as a Virus. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 00:31:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 00:31:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27388 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 00:31:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27384 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 00:31:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 00:31:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5D95199BB; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BC7E19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 11:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0835.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.251.111]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g82FUetg004354 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 08:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl+c in rc? stopping process execution? From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 07:50:59 -0400 >> There is only OTIK. It's Del, not Ctrl-C. >> >> So, hit the Del key (just to the right of Enter on my keybaord). > > I find it quite inconvenient having to reach all the way across to the DEL key > on Nigel's keyboard, so I use my own. > Alternatively, you could import Nigel's /dev/DELkey and arrange with him to hit it for you ☺ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 01:21:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 01:21:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27781 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 01:21:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27777 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 01:21:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 01:21:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BEB9199B7; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nigel.9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9E2FB199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <234d5d2ea6913fa11c5f21716d6d824f@9fs.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ctrl+c in rc? stopping process execution? From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:20:48 +0100 > Alternatively, you could import Nigel's /dev/DELkey and arrange with > him to hit it for you So that's what caused the 1 hour blackout round here... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 01:53:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 01:53:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27996 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 01:53:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27992 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 01:53:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 01:53:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3A7C19981; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5AFA7199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 135.255.41.13 ([135.255.41.13]) by plan9; Mon Sep 2 12:52:27 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <005d01c26afd$7618c480$0d29ff87@caryl> From: "david presotto" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] secondary dns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:53:13 -0400 We will do zone transfers to other systems. We don't do zone transfers in. It's not that hard, you just have to write a program that asks for the zone transfer from another site and create a dns file from it. I just had other priorities. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moroo Jun" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: [9fans] secondary dns > Can plan9 dns server have secondary DNS server? > > Can plan9 dns server set up as secondary DNS server for other dns server > (ex. bind with unix)? > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 05:08:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 05:08:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29366 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 05:08:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29362 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 05:08:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 05:08:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B666199B7; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B10E71999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01768 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:07:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g82K7QQ25081; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:07:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g82K7Pb10117 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:07:25 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209022007.g82K7Pb10117@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Subject: [9fans] tcp access to (fake worm) fs? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:07:25 +0200 Can I access my real fake worm fs via tcp? (I tried, no success) (Got myself cable modem at home, am now connected via a 'firewall' (an 'E-Tech wireless router') which of course doesn't know about il.) Could I somehow create a (tcp?) 'tunnel' through this router to (e.g.) my cpu server at work, and in that way access the fs at work? I noticed I can access it indirectly, by cpu-ing to the cpu server at work, but just mounting it would be nicer. Any pointers (and command-line examples :-) are appreciated! Thanks, Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 05:58:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 05:58:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29740 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 05:58:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29736 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 05:58:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 05:58:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89E13199B9; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5C1B19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02864 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:57:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g82KvmQ03514; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:57:49 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g82Kvml10459 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:57:48 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209022057.g82Kvml10459@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Subject: [9fans] ns behaviour for dos filesystems Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:57:48 +0200 (seems that in man page ns(1) /proc/pid/ns should be /proc/$pid/ns) Just noticed the following: when I mount a dos file system, ``ns'' reports the right info. When I then bind this mounted file system somewhere else, the bind seems to get translated into a mount, but the device argument for the mount is `forgotten'. Example: c: gives ns output: mount -c '#s/dos' /n/c: /dev/sdC0/dos mount -c '#s/dos' /n/c /dev/sdC0/dos now doing bind /n/c /n/kremvax gives mount '#s/dos' /n/kremvax i.e. the /dev/sdC0/dos argument has gotten lost. (same is visible by just doing ``cat /proc/$pid/ns'') A bit confused, Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 06:19:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 06:19:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29910 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 06:19:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29906 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 06:19:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 06:19:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AACB419992; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6276F19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0835.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.251.111]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g82LI8tg004918 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23b0d7cda7caa4fce5f79f446a0106dd@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] ZP in libdraw Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:38:26 -0400 Is ZP != Pt(0,0) ever? Is there a specific use for it? Documentation doesn't say anything about it and I can't see where it is getting initialized. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 09:37:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 09:37:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31887 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 09:37:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31883 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 09:37:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 09:37:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BBCD199B9; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1735F19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b1b25141b657cad47d7b50c5385bfd3@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:35:39 -0700 I think that for many people, "object-oriented" has become a content-free buzzphrase, much like "structured" had by 1975 (or at the lastest 1980). Both have connotations of "good, warm, fuzzy" or more specifically, "approved of by me". So "O-O OSs are better" just means "I like O-O OSs"; take with as many tons of salt as necessary. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 11:09:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 11:09:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1419 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 11:09:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1415 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 11:09:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 11:09:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 493AD199BB; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4E6AD19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ZP in libdraw MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:08:22 -0400 ZP == Pt(0,0). It's just convenient not to force the compiler to construct it, and it's shorter. It's not initialized anywhere, hence it is zero. I suppose it could be != Pt(0,0) if you assigned to it, but that would break most code that uses it. It's no good if the zero point isn't zero. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 11:11:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 11:11:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1508 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 11:11:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1504 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 11:11:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 11:11:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E760F199BB; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4EFF219992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <416bdb656b70479b6d0ecd737f1778be@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ns behaviour for dos filesystems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:10:58 -0400 The loss of the mount argument is a bug. I'll take a look. The man page is formatted correctly. Run man -P ns and you'll see that pid is a variable. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 11:13:11 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 11:13:11 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1579 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 11:13:11 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1575 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 11:13:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 11:13:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C515199BC; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B94F819995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] tcp access to (fake worm) fs? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:12:59 -0400 On your cpu server, running aux/listen1 tcp!*!9fs /bin/aux/trampoline il!your-file-server!9fs & should set up a tunnel, so that you can pretend your CPU server is a tcp version of your file server. You can also put #!/bin/rc exec aux/trampoline il!your-file-server!9fs into /rc/bin/service/tcp564, if you want to use listen instead. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 12:31:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 12:31:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3217 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 12:31:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3213 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 12:31:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 12:31:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15C41199DD; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8652E199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0835.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.251.111]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g833UFtg024407 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ZP in libdraw From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:50:31 -0400 I was being overly suspicious because almost all examples of calls to draw() that I could find in sources were using ZP and not Pt(0,0). I find Pt(0,0) more transparent. > ZP == Pt(0,0). It's just convenient not to force > the compiler to construct it, and it's shorter. > It's not initialized anywhere, hence it is zero. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 17:57:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 17:57:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10263 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 17:57:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10259 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 17:57:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 17:57:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C916A199BC; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 04:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5ED4E1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 04:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15281 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:56:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g838uWQ29025; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:56:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g838uWS12341 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:56:32 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209030856.g838uWS12341@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] tcp access to (fake worm) fs? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 02 Sep 2002 22:12:59 -0400." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 10:56:32 +0200 Thanks, Russ. It's even simpler than I hoped it would be... :-) Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 3 21:08:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 3 21:08:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12736 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Sep 2002 21:08:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12732 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 21:08:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 21:08:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4486D19995; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F164A19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 08:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3ciscupdate v148.2.1) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: [9fans] How to sync venti Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:07:17 +0900 Hello, How can I sync venti to terminate safely? Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 00:05:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 00:05:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15033 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 00:05:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15029 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 00:05:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 00:05:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D26DE1999B; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from harvest.rutgers.edu (harvest.rutgers.edu [128.6.198.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94253199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bhancock@localhost) by harvest.rutgers.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83EoRb02192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:50:27 -0400 From: Brian Hancock To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] rio on the authentication server Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:50:27 -0400 (EDT) I'm having trouble getting rio to start on an authentication server. I put for(i in m i S t) in cpurc and to make sure the video card was in the new 9pcauth kernel before I compiled it, I just used pcdisk as the basis for pcauth just changing a couple of lines: int cpuserver = 1; boot cpu boot $S/sdC0/ and renamed it and changed plan9.ini to look for 9pcauth after compiling. Am I on the right track or completely off track? This is using the 4th edition upgraded from the 3rd. Thanks, Brian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 00:28:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 00:28:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15366 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 00:28:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15362 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 00:28:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 00:28:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBCF1199BB; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E78EE19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:27:57 -0400 That all looks fine. What are your symptoms? Is the screen in text or graphics mode? If text, make sure you are running aux/vga from cpurc. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 00:48:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 00:48:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15619 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 00:48:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15615 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 00:48:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 00:48:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60CC7199D5; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from harvest.rutgers.edu (harvest.rutgers.edu [128.6.198.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E916199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bhancock@localhost) by harvest.rutgers.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83FjKE02321 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:45:20 -0400 From: Brian Hancock To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 11:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Hi Russ, thanks for the reply. The screen goes to text mode. bad nvram key authid: bootes authdom: staff-82.scc.rutgers.edu secstore: rutgers password: kfs...version...time init: starting /bin/rc staff-82# Can I add aux/vga anywhere in the cpurc file? Thanks, Brian On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > That all looks fine. What are your symptoms? > Is the screen in text or graphics mode? > If text, make sure you are running aux/vga > from cpurc. > > Russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 01:01:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 01:01:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15780 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 01:01:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15776 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 01:01:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 01:01:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4FC6199EC; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 09156199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6b3b007346699ecab1d997b97c73fad1@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:00:30 -0400 near the end of cpurc is probably best. something like aux/mouse $mouseport aux/vga -m $monitor -l $vgasize rio should work. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 02:38:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 02:38:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16668 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 02:38:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16664 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 02:38:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 02:38:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2197C199A3; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from harvest.rutgers.edu (harvest.rutgers.edu [128.6.198.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5FC5199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bhancock@localhost) by harvest.rutgers.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83HZLN02517 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:35:21 -0400 From: Brian Hancock To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server In-Reply-To: <6b3b007346699ecab1d997b97c73fad1@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Thanks Russ, it's working now. BTW, we're going to promote Plan 9 a little at the Ancient Studies New Technology conference this winter. http://tabula.rutgers.edu/conferences/ancient_studies2002 We now have 3 Plan 9 machines at the Center for Electronic Texts in the Humanities, 2 servers and 1 laptop. Regards, Brian On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > near the end of cpurc is probably best. > something like > > aux/mouse $mouseport > aux/vga -m $monitor -l $vgasize > rio > > should work. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 03:00:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 03:00:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16873 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 03:00:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16869 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 03:00:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 03:00:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98F87199B9; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 035C019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:59:24 -0400 What do you use the Plan 9 machines for? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 04:27:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 04:27:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17716 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 04:27:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17712 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 04:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 04:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98504199BB; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from harvest.rutgers.edu (harvest.rutgers.edu [128.6.198.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 775AA1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bhancock@localhost) by harvest.rutgers.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83JOiI02614 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:24:44 -0400 From: Brian Hancock To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Hi Russ, we have a standalone machine running version 3 which acts as a web server, http://staff-106.scc.rutgers.edu it serves full-text latin. We want to move concordance software to this machine but first must recompile it to run on Plan 9. We have the C source code. The authentication machine will let people here get some experience with Plan 9. Eventually we want to set up a proper Plan 9 network with a file server. The laptop I use to write, I use sam, and then create a typeset version in Latex for printing. It's also good to connect to the Internet any place I can get a DHCP connection. Brian On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > What do you use the Plan 9 machines for? > > Russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 04:47:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 04:47:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17885 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 04:47:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17881 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 04:47:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 04:47:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C63A919992; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta3p.ttcn.ne.jp (mta3.ttcn.ne.jp [210.188.175.72]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D27B01999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isabella ([61.215.39.170]) by mta3p.ttcn.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020903194631.IMSE6810.mta3p@isabella> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:46:31 +0900 From: kazumi iwane Subject: Re: [9fans] invalid declaration of ioproc() in thread.h? To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <6e3d5756774cb50a8625932e47873008@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <6e3d5756774cb50a8625932e47873008@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-Mailer: Datula version 1.51.08 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020903194631.IMSE6810.mta3p@isabella> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 04:47:08 +0900 Russ Cox wrote: > Fixed, sorry. The ioproc(2) part of the > thread library is new. There may be other > name conflicts. I've found some more. /sys/src/cmd/^(execnet webfs) have conflicts. -- kazumi iwane From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 05:37:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 05:37:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18321 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 05:37:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18317 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 05:37:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 05:37:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B019C19992; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AF6219995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-10.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g83KanhN077456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.160.8]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g83Kagk03353 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme (acme [135.180.240.75]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03005 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002901c2538a$49c31870$4bf0b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> From: "Dharani Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] How to sync venti MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: "Dharani Vilwanathan" List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:41:32 -0400 > How can I sync venti to terminate safely? this is my concern too. i generally make sure there is no activity (no vac or vacfs runs) and then kill the process. upon venti restart, things seem to be fine. but still i am not sure if i can do that, venti being a disaster recovery mechanism. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 05:46:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 05:46:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18394 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 05:46:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18390 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 05:46:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 05:46:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E52F8199E3; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 33FE2199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.46]) by plan9; Tue Sep 3 16:45:58 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <3D751FC9.61D67840@research.bell-labs.com> From: Sean Quinlan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to sync venti References: <002901c2538a$49c31870$4bf0b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:47:05 -0400 At the moment there is no "clean" way to kill the venti server other than what you describe below. On the other hand, the system is designed to be reasonably robust so the worst thing that can happen is that in flight writes are lost - in particular, the on disk data structures will not be corrupted (assuming the implementaion is correct of course). In particular, when the server starts up, it scans the end region of the data log and ensures that all the other data structures reflect the state of the log, including the index, arena header and arena directory. In other words, once the data is stored in the log, it should be ok. I've been planning to add the ability for applications to sync with the venti server. There should also be a way to ask the server to shut down... seanq Dharani Vilwanathan wrote: > > > How can I sync venti to terminate safely? > > this is my concern too. i generally make sure there is no activity (no vac > or vacfs runs) and then kill the process. upon venti restart, things seem to > be fine. but still i am not sure if i can do that, venti being a disaster > recovery mechanism. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 07:11:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 07:11:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19037 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 07:11:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19033 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 07:11:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 07:11:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 188CA199B3; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp (mta5.ttcn.ne.jp [210.188.175.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFF571999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isabella ([61.215.39.170]) by mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020903221016.ZHGO17976.mta5p@isabella> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:10:16 +0900 From: kazumi iwane To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Datula version 1.51.08 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020903221016.ZHGO17976.mta5p@isabella> Subject: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:10:53 +0900 ip/rarpd dies as soon as it receives a request. rarpd 208: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0xffff0000 pc=0x00002c19 Below is what acid tells me. dofmt:fmt looks bad. This should be equal to efmt$1, a static format string defined in eipfmt(). I can't figure out why this looks garbled. Can somebody please enlighten me? acid: stk() At pc:0x00002c19:dofmt+0x138 /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:37 dofmt(*dofmt:fmt=0xffff0000,*dofmt:f=0x7fffe4a8) called from vsnprint+0x62 /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:20 vsnprint(*vsnprint:len=0x00000028,*vsnprint:buf=0x7fffe55c, *vsnprint:args=0x7fffe50c,*vsnprint:fmt=0xffff0000) called from snprint+0x2b /sys/src/libc/fmt/snprint.c:13 snprint(*snprint:fmt=0xffff0000,*snprint:buf=0x7fffe55c, *snprint:len=0x00000028) called from eipfmt+0x272 /sys/src/libip/eipfmt.c:38 eipfmt(*eipfmt:f=0x7fffe5f0) called from _fmtdispatch+0x94 /sys/src/libc/fmt/fmt.c:187 _fmtdispatch(*_fmtdispatch:isrunes=0x00000000,*_fmtdispatch:f=0x7fffe5f0, *_fmtdispatch:fmt=0x000114b8) called from dofmt+0x75 /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:62 dofmt(*dofmt:fmt=0x000114b6,*dofmt:f=0x7fffe5f0) called from vsnprint+0x62 /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:20 vsnprint(*vsnprint:len=0x00010000,*vsnprint:buf=0x7fffe744, *vsnprint:args=0x7fffe650,*vsnprint:fmt=0x000114b6) called from sprint+0x2c /sys/src/libc/fmt/sprint.c:13 sprint(*sprint:fmt=0x000114b6,*sprint:buf=0x7fffe744) called from main+0x330 /sys/src/cmd/ip/rarpd.c:141 main(*main:argv=0x7fffefe4,*main:argc=0x00000000) called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16 -- kazumi iwane From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 09:36:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 09:36:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20908 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 09:36:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20904 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 09:36:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 09:36:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D518E199BB; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E2810199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d3b860ed7fac9e8c6f365d964fdec38@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:35:11 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given where it crashes, it isn't garbled, 0xffff0000 is what is being passed. One possibility is that something on the stack above _fmtdispatch trashed the stack. I don't see anything obviously wrong. We stopped running rarpd when our last sun went nova. You might try rebuilding the libraries and rarpd and see if it still happens. The line numbers from your acid stack dump are a bit different than the current source, so you might have some incompatible changes in there (or acid is guessing badly). Otherwise, keep digging, bug snprint and see if fmt is 0xffff0000 coming in, etc. If it's consistently repeatable, it should be easy to track down just by marching tests through the code. --upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 3 18:11:16 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Sep 3 18:11:15 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E29A3199BB; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp (mta5.ttcn.ne.jp [210.188.175.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFF571999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isabella ([61.215.39.170]) by mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020903221016.ZHGO17976.mta5p@isabella> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:10:16 +0900 From: kazumi iwane To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Datula version 1.51.08 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020903221016.ZHGO17976.mta5p@isabella> Subject: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:10:53 +0900 ip/rarpd dies as soon as it receives a request. rarpd 208: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0xffff0000 pc=0x00002c19 Below is what acid tells me. dofmt:fmt looks bad. This should be equal to efmt$1, a static format string defined in eipfmt(). I can't figure out why this looks garbled. Can somebody please enlighten me? acid: stk() At pc:0x00002c19:dofmt+0x138 /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:37 dofmt(*dofmt:fmt=0xffff0000,*dofmt:f=0x7fffe4a8) called from vsnprint+0x62 /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:20 vsnprint(*vsnprint:len=0x00000028,*vsnprint:buf=0x7fffe55c, *vsnprint:args=0x7fffe50c,*vsnprint:fmt=0xffff0000) called from snprint+0x2b /sys/src/libc/fmt/snprint.c:13 snprint(*snprint:fmt=0xffff0000,*snprint:buf=0x7fffe55c, *snprint:len=0x00000028) called from eipfmt+0x272 /sys/src/libip/eipfmt.c:38 eipfmt(*eipfmt:f=0x7fffe5f0) called from _fmtdispatch+0x94 /sys/src/libc/fmt/fmt.c:187 _fmtdispatch(*_fmtdispatch:isrunes=0x00000000,*_fmtdispatch:f=0x7fffe5f0, *_fmtdispatch:fmt=0x000114b8) called from dofmt+0x75 /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:62 dofmt(*dofmt:fmt=0x000114b6,*dofmt:f=0x7fffe5f0) called from vsnprint+0x62 /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:20 vsnprint(*vsnprint:len=0x00010000,*vsnprint:buf=0x7fffe744, *vsnprint:args=0x7fffe650,*vsnprint:fmt=0x000114b6) called from sprint+0x2c /sys/src/libc/fmt/sprint.c:13 sprint(*sprint:fmt=0x000114b6,*sprint:buf=0x7fffe744) called from main+0x330 /sys/src/cmd/ip/rarpd.c:141 main(*main:argv=0x7fffefe4,*main:argc=0x00000000) called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16 -- kazumi iwane --upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 11:42:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 11:42:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23751 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 11:42:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23747 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 11:42:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 11:42:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 485F5199B9; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from smtp2.san.rr.com (smtp2.san.rr.com [24.25.195.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DA6C19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from san.rr.com (dt038n0f.san.rr.com [24.30.143.15]) by smtp2.san.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g842fa101098 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D7571D0.5060604@san.rr.com> From: Eric Dorman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020314 Netscape6/6.2.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:37:04 -0700 Russ Cox wrote: >Ron's comment makes me think I should have explained >myself a little more, and anyway I have a fun story. > >The whole fad OO argument saddens me, since Plan 9 probably >pushes the real point of OO -- consistent and reused >interfaces -- farther than any other system. The problem >with the current fad OO world is that there are hardly >any consistently-used interfaces, so you lose all the >potential reuse. Plan 9 may only have one real interface >but we sure do reuse it a LOT. And we really do have >many interfaces, such as the one presented to a cpu >server by a terminal (and by drawterm), or the one >presented to clients by kernel graphics drivers >(and by rio, and by vncs, and by drawterm), or the >authentication files presented by the 3e kernels >(and by authfs), or the auth files presented by >auth/factotum (and by auth/factotum, whenever you >care to reinvoke it!), and on and on. I would very much >like to hear about any systems that are more object >oriented. >[xxx] >Imagine if everything behaved like that, presenting >good interfaces so that only the interface rather than >the actual details of the implementation mattered. >You'd have Plan 9. > >Russ > This all is precisely why I've pretty much setttled on a 9p2000/virtual mount architecture for my high-performance computing stuff rather than some distributed-object protocol. Avoid CORBA bloat and still be able to rendezvous in Java, Smalltalk, C and C++. Now if I could only run Plan9 on HPPA-MP, I'd be set :) Eric Dorman From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 16:58:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 16:58:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31186 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 16:58:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31181 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 16:58:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 16:58:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2175199BC; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hkisrv08.tw.fi (host76-147.teleware.fi [193.65.76.147]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14F1C19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:57:49 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Java library to access 9P/Styx Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] Java library to access 9P/Styx Thread-Index: AcJT6Uv++ZL2G6qLSYSaRgQF2OknlQ== From: "Anssi Porttikivi" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:01:41 +0300 "Arnaud Sahuguet" wrote in message = news:<045601c25037$a4c432a0$4c256887@bl.belllabs.com>... > I am looking for Java libraries to access Plan 9 servers. >=20 > I heard that such things exist (see reference to Slashdot post below), = but I could not find any. > "Note that all this is independent of the programming language. There = are C and Java libraries for accessing 9P or Styx > objects." > http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/05/2032245.shtml?tid=3D155 You meant my message = http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3D29001&cid=3D3117157 There used to be a Lucent product "InfernoSpaces" which was foreign = access to 9P systems, most notably from Java, and library level C. But = is is discontinued, not supported by Vita Nuova. See http://groups.google.com/groups?q=3Dinfernospaces&hl=3Den&lr=3D&ie=3DUTF-= 8&selm=3D200005051417.KAA20070%40cse.psu.edu&rnum=3D5 The last quote from Charles Forsyth: "...in the Inferno/Plan9 milieu we hope to provide something that attacks the part of the problem where (we thought) InfernoSpaces meant well..." From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 17:47:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 17:47:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31995 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 17:47:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31991 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 17:47:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 17:47:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EB1E199BF; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 075B719980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8888c80e89b07bc413a633102fa9da0b@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xmjqzdjegsexyezvpmjdljwoiy" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:42:58 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xmjqzdjegsexyezvpmjdljwoiy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i suspect it's part of an IPv4 prefix. ip/rarpd.c has if(myipaddr(myip, net) < 0) but uchar myip[4]; yet myipaddr now sets IPaddrlen (16) bytes and static char *efmt is allocated close to myip in data. if that becomes uchar myip[IPaddrlen]; and the subsequent memmove(rp->spa, myip, sizeof(rp->spa)); becomes v6tov4(rp->spa, myip); it might work, but then again that might just be the first of several changes required. i haven't got appropriate devices here to test rarpd --upas-xmjqzdjegsexyezvpmjdljwoiy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1031099783:10:11741:7; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:36:23 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101925; 4 Sep 2002 0:36 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D518E199BB; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E2810199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3d3b860ed7fac9e8c6f365d964fdec38@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:35:11 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Given where it crashes, it isn't garbled, 0xffff0000 is what is being passed. One possibility is that something on the stack above _fmtdispatch trashed the stack. I don't see anything obviously wrong. We stopped running rarpd when our last sun went nova. You might try rebuilding the libraries and rarpd and see if it still happens. The line numbers from your acid stack dump are a bit different than the current source, so you might have some incompatible changes in there (or acid is guessing badly). Otherwise, keep digging, bug snprint and see if fmt is 0xffff0000 coming in, etc. If it's consistently repeatable, it should be easy to track down just by marching tests through the code. --upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 3 18:11:16 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Sep 3 18:11:15 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E29A3199BB; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp (mta5.ttcn.ne.jp [210.188.175.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFF571999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isabella ([61.215.39.170]) by mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020903221016.ZHGO17976.mta5p@isabella> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 07:10:16 +0900 From: kazumi iwane To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Datula version 1.51.08 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020903221016.ZHGO17976.mta5p@isabella> Subject: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 07:10:53 +0900 ip/rarpd dies as soon as it receives a request. rarpd 208: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0xffff0000 pc=0x00002c19 Below is what acid tells me. dofmt:fmt looks bad. This should be equal to efmt$1, a static format string defined in eipfmt(). I can't figure out why this looks garbled. Can somebody please enlighten me? acid: stk() At pc:0x00002c19:dofmt+0x138 /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:37 dofmt(*dofmt:fmt=0xffff0000,*dofmt:f=0x7fffe4a8) called from vsnprint+0x62 /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:20 vsnprint(*vsnprint:len=0x00000028,*vsnprint:buf=0x7fffe55c, *vsnprint:args=0x7fffe50c,*vsnprint:fmt=0xffff0000) called from snprint+0x2b /sys/src/libc/fmt/snprint.c:13 snprint(*snprint:fmt=0xffff0000,*snprint:buf=0x7fffe55c, *snprint:len=0x00000028) called from eipfmt+0x272 /sys/src/libip/eipfmt.c:38 eipfmt(*eipfmt:f=0x7fffe5f0) called from _fmtdispatch+0x94 /sys/src/libc/fmt/fmt.c:187 _fmtdispatch(*_fmtdispatch:isrunes=0x00000000,*_fmtdispatch:f=0x7fffe5f0, *_fmtdispatch:fmt=0x000114b8) called from dofmt+0x75 /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:62 dofmt(*dofmt:fmt=0x000114b6,*dofmt:f=0x7fffe5f0) called from vsnprint+0x62 /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:20 vsnprint(*vsnprint:len=0x00010000,*vsnprint:buf=0x7fffe744, *vsnprint:args=0x7fffe650,*vsnprint:fmt=0x000114b6) called from sprint+0x2c /sys/src/libc/fmt/sprint.c:13 sprint(*sprint:fmt=0x000114b6,*sprint:buf=0x7fffe744) called from main+0x330 /sys/src/cmd/ip/rarpd.c:141 main(*main:argv=0x7fffefe4,*main:argc=0x00000000) called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16 -- kazumi iwane --upas-eecmuhdnqcmqnvslsyoalrpiwi-- --upas-xmjqzdjegsexyezvpmjdljwoiy-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 21:27:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 21:27:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2513 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 21:27:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2509 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 21:27:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 21:27:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B63FB199DD; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7A5AF199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Subject:Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:26:19 -0400 Forsyth is right. Rarpd looks like it was never converted when I made all internal addresses V6. There are other changes to bring it back to reality also. All the %I's should turn into %V's and there should be a fmtinstall for 'V'. I'll stick a new version on sources. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 4 21:51:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 4 21:51:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2817 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Sep 2002 21:51:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2813 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2002 21:51:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Sep 2002 21:51:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 818DD19980; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9C921199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 08:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <443d96fc7cbe18e690ea8fa3bf4f5f95@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3ciscupdate v148.2.1) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to sync venti References: <002901c2538a$49c31870$4bf0b487@dnrc.belllabs.com> <3D751FC9.61D67840@research.bell-labs.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:49:51 +0900 Thanks a lot, Dharani and Sean I am now using venti and I am uneasy without that. My feeling about vac is an engine, not a car. I wrote some interface to vac and vacfs; the usage is: term% ve $home/bin/rc term% ve ... 2002/09/01 12:03 /usr/arisawa/venti/memo 2002/09/01 12:06 /usr/arisawa/bin 2002/09/01 13:34 /usr/arisawa/bin/rc 2002/09/01 13:38 /usr/arisawa/bin/rc term% term% vefs 2002/09/01 12:06 /usr/a term% ls -l /n/vac d-rwxrwxr-x M 2516 arisawa arisawa 0 May 3 06:56 /n/vac/bin term% vafs nti/memo term% ls -l /n/vac --rw-rw-r-- M 2518 arisawa arisawa 37 Sep 1 09:12 /n/vac/memo Thes codes are: File: ve #!/bin/rc -e # name: ve # usage: ve [file] # coded by Kenji Arisawa log=$home/venti/log switch($#*){ case 0 awk '{print $2,$3,$4}' $log case 1 if(! test -e $1){ echo $1 not exist exit } d=`{date} # $d is: Sun Sep 1 17:43:14 JST 2002 Jan=01;Feb=02;Mar=03;Apr=04;May=05;Jun=06; Jul=07;Aug=08;Sep=09;Oct=10;Nov=11;Dec=12 day=$d(3) if(~ $#day 1) day=0^$day t=`{ifs=':' echo `{echo $d(4)}} t=$t(1)^':'^$t(2) d=$d(6)^/^$$d(2)^/^$day^' '^$t if(~ $1 /*) p=$1 if not p=`{pwd}^/$1 # `^' is required a=`{grep ' '^$p^'$' $log | tail -1} if(~ $#a 4) v=`{vac -h pc -qd <{echo vac:$a(1)} $p} if not v=`{vac -h pc $p} if(! ~ $vac vac:*){ echo '# vac error' exit 'vac error' } ifs=': ' v=`{echo -n $v} echo $v(2) $d $p >> $log case * echo 'usage: ve [file]' } File: vefs #!/bin/rc -e # name: vefs # usage: vefs patterm # coded by Kenji Arisawa log=$home/venti/log if(~ $#* 0) a=`{tail -1 $log} if not a=`{grep $"* $log | tail -1} if(! ~ $#a 4){ echo '# pattern not exist' exit 'pattern not exist' } unmount /n/vac >[2] /dev/null vacfs -h pc <{echo vac:$a(1)} Of cause you may have more elegant one, but I love these. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 04:22:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 04:22:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7115 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 04:22:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7111 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 04:22:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 04:22:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78874199BB; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F48E19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09061 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:21:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g84JLGQ14833; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:21:16 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g84JLEo12952 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:21:16 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209041921.g84JLEo12952@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Subject: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 21:21:14 +0200 When trying to 'cpu' from home to work I got the message cpu: waiting for FS: What does it mean? What could be the reason I get it? At the moment (when I get above message), after giving factotum the user/password for the auth server at work, I am able to - cpu to my auth server at work - mount the file system from the fs at work - use 'C' to look at the consoles from fs and auth server (served via auth server) but when I try to access my (diskless) cpu server at work with 'cpu' I get above error message; when I try with con I seem to be unable to give the right response to the challenge. I can look tomorrow at the cpu server console, but right now I'm curious what might be wrong (just before leaving from work I ran a drawterm session on the cpu server that I closed when I left). Thanks for any insight, Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 04:23:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 04:23:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7126 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 04:23:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7121 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 04:23:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 04:23:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EDB0199E3; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EB58419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 15:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e48cc89b284db4bd6a07efee00fc183@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3ciscupdate v148.2.1) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to sync venti References: <002901c2538a$49c31870$4bf0b487@dnrc.belllabs.com><3D751FC9.61D67840@research.bell-labs.com> <443d96fc7cbe18e690ea8fa3bf4f5f95@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 04:22:30 +0900 >#!/bin/rc -e Sorry change to: #!/bin/rc Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 06:52:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 06:52:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8360 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 06:52:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8356 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 06:52:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 06:52:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D84CE19980; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F9F0199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.35]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020904215131.IWXR1968.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:51:31 +0100 Message-ID: <005e01c2545d$3f3ba380$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Dell Truemobile 1150 - rebadged wavelan? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:51:37 +0100 this pcmcia 802.11b card is made by Lucent for Dell http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/uk/enu/dhs/local/topics/gen_pccard_truemo bile.htm Are they likely to be driver compatible with the wavelan driver? I ask because there are 10 of them for £49.99 on ebay.co.uk http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2051324402&rd=1 and I'm looking for a card for my ipaq 3630 m --- Outgoing mail is certified as a Virus. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 08:34:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 08:34:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9240 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 08:34:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9236 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 08:34:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 08:34:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 617A9199BC; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 654B31999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b9cfc465f0318307aeac33f6554d33f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Dell Truemobile 1150 - rebadged wavelan? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:33:23 -0400 The driver includes the string "TrueMobile 1150". Either someone has seen that card work, or I put it there because I knew it was a rebadged Lucent card. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 08:45:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 08:45:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9330 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 08:45:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9326 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 08:45:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 08:45:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D9F0199BF; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 89B9B199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0b04ed7e42106d18a29074d22a22aca6@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:44:29 -0400 It means your terminal at home is unable to authenticate to your cpu server at work, and /bin/cpu is not kind enough to tell you what went wrong. It's weirder than that, though. The terminal thinks the auth worked, and the cpu server thinks it didn't. That shouldn't happen (the protocol is cpu server speaks last). I've seen this before but don't remember what the problem is. It seems likely there's a key mismatch somewhere. Are you using the same password in drawterm and on the terminal? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 08:46:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 08:46:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9359 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 08:46:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9355 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 08:46:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 08:46:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8090A19995; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE96019992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.35]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020904234553.KQSF290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:45:53 +0100 Message-ID: <00b801c2546d$38fcb850$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <5b9cfc465f0318307aeac33f6554d33f@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Dell Truemobile 1150 - rebadged wavelan? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:45:58 +0100 > The driver includes the string "TrueMobile 1150". > Either someone has seen that card work, or I put > it there because I knew it was a rebadged Lucent card. > > Russ thanks. I've seen people claim they are made by Orinoco so I think it says it somewhere on the packaging. It's turning into an expensive gadget filled day. I've spent more on the accessories than I spent on the ipaq --- Outgoing mail is certified as a Virus. 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 22/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 16:41:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 16:41:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22272 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 16:41:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22268 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 16:41:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 16:41:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23296199BF; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04DA51999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21528 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:40:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g857e3Q01158; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:40:03 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g857e2P14575 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:40:02 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209050740.g857e2P14575@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:44:29 -0400." <0b04ed7e42106d18a29074d22a22aca6@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <0b04ed7e42106d18a29074d22a22aca6@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:40:02 +0200 Yes, I'm using the same password. Also, what I forgot to mention in my previous post: Yesterday (well, by now the day before yesterday) It Worked! and of course, I Did Not Change Anything! However, I did add the tcp564 trampoline script to /rc/bin/service on the (diskless) cpu server, to access the file server via tcp. Could that be related? I'm still at home, I tried to move the script 'out of the way' on the file server, but that seems not to stop the listener (or is it because I already have a connection open?) I'll have a closer look at the cpu server at work later today. > It means your terminal at home is unable to authenticate to > your cpu server at work, and /bin/cpu is not kind enough to > tell you what went wrong. It's weirder than that, though. > The terminal thinks the auth worked, and the cpu server > thinks it didn't. That shouldn't happen (the protocol > is cpu server speaks last). I've seen this before but > don't remember what the problem is. It seems likely > there's a key mismatch somewhere. Are you using the > same password in drawterm and on the terminal? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 16:50:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 16:50:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22474 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 16:50:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22470 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 16:50:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 16:50:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03961199B3; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 936A5199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g857mux8006408 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:49:00 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g857msIo006407 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:48:55 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? Message-ID: <20020905094852.E19524@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0b04ed7e42106d18a29074d22a22aca6@plan9.bell-labs.com> <200209050740.g857e2P14575@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200209050740.g857e2P14575@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl>; from Axel Belinfante on Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:40:02AM +0200 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:48:53 +0200 On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 09:40:02AM +0200, Axel Belinfante wrote: > > Yes, I'm using the same password. > Also, what I forgot to mention in my previous post: > Yesterday (well, by now the day before yesterday) It Worked! > and of course, I Did Not Change Anything! In general, I find that is caused by a runtime parameter that gets reset on boot (I often forget to change startup configuration files in NetBSD installations and have to remember what's new after a reboot ). > However, I did add the tcp564 trampoline script to /rc/bin/service > on the (diskless) cpu server, to access the file server via tcp. > Could that be related? > Sounds like it should, but trampoline, as far as I know, is undocumented so I leave the answer to those who actually know :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 16:50:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 16:50:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22484 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 16:50:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22480 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 16:50:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 16:50:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE156199F2; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EDE38199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Dell Truemobile 1150 - rebadged wavelan? From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-mgtnuocrnxjnlwcokwwahrnlmo" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:49:42 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-mgtnuocrnxjnlwcokwwahrnlmo Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have truemobile cards here and added that after trying them. AFAIK, only the string had to be changed to make them work. --upas-mgtnuocrnxjnlwcokwwahrnlmo Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Thu Sep 5 01:46:16 MDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8090A19995; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE96019992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.35]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020904234553.KQSF290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:45:53 +0100 Message-ID: <00b801c2546d$38fcb850$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <5b9cfc465f0318307aeac33f6554d33f@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Dell Truemobile 1150 - rebadged wavelan? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:45:58 +0100 > The driver includes the string "TrueMobile 1150". > Either someone has seen that card work, or I put > it there because I knew it was a rebadged Lucent card. > > Russ thanks. I've seen people claim they are made by Orinoco so I think it says it somewhere on the packaging. It's turning into an expensive gadget filled day. I've spent more on the accessories than I spent on the ipaq --- Outgoing mail is certified as a Virus. 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 22/08/2002 --upas-mgtnuocrnxjnlwcokwwahrnlmo-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 18:04:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 18:04:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23808 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 18:04:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23804 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 18:04:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 18:04:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36CA6199A3; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from theraft.strakt.com (theraft.strakt.com [62.13.29.34]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B1DC199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from strakt.com (boyd@zode.strakt.com [62.13.29.39]) by theraft.strakt.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g8593dkk027310 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:03:39 +0200 Message-ID: <3D771DEB.6090601@strakt.com> From: Boyd Roberts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Dell Truemobile 1150 - rebadged wavelan? References: <5b9cfc465f0318307aeac33f6554d33f@plan9.bell-labs.com> <00b801c2546d$38fcb850$6501a8c0@KIKE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 11:03:39 +0200 matt wrote: >I've spent more on the accessories than I spent on the ipaq > That, unfortunately, is the whole point in the age of the swiss-army mobile phone. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 22:10:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 22:10:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27261 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 22:10:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27257 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC510199E8; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1F355199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:09:52 -0400 You could always remove the trampoline script and see if that fixes things, but I'll be very surprised. Trampoline is just that -- a trampoline to another network address. It dials the address and then ferries bytes between stdin/stdout and the newly dialed connection. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 5 22:55:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 5 22:55:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27773 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Sep 2002 22:55:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27769 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2002 22:55:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Sep 2002 22:55:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A40019A05; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B841C199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04124 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:54:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g85DseQ07639; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:54:40 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g85DsdZ17105 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:54:39 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209051354.g85DsdZ17105@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:09:52 -0400." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:54:39 +0200 You are I right. I tried removing it without success. When I run 'cpu -h cpusysname' on the cpu server itself I get cpu: writing network: dir : Hangup drawterm access does not work either. I looked at the console of the cpu server. Seems I indeed had some run-away processes running from my last drawterm session: cpu% ps -ef | axel axel 6061 0:00 0:00 200K Broken snoopy axel 7266 0:00 0:00 260K Pread factotum axel 7273 0:00 0:00 692K Pread fs axel 7274 0:00 0:00 692K Sleep fs axel 7405 0:00 0:00 676K Pread win axel 7407 0:00 0:00 676K Await win axel 7409 0:00 0:00 244K Pread rc Killing the fs processes did not change a thing. However, when I killed the win processes, also factotum went away. Seems that did the job, now drawterm and cpu work again. Putting back the trampoline does not seem to matter. What does seem to matter is that the part of my lib/profile that gets executed for a drawterm session starts a factotum (on the cpu server), as follows below. Could it be that this is not the best way to do things? Axel. switch($service){ case terminal ... case cpu if (test -e /mnt/term/mnt/wsys) { # rio already running wsys = /mnt/term^`{cat /mnt/term/env/wsys} bind -a /mnt/term/mnt/wsys /dev echo -n $sysname > /dev/label } # if not { # plumber # } bind /mnt/term/dev/cons /dev/cons bind /mnt/term/dev/consctl /dev/consctl bind -a /mnt/term/dev /dev prompt=('cpu% ' ' ') fn cpu%{ $* } # upas/fs -b news if (! test -e /mnt/term/mnt/wsys) { # cpu call from drawterm @{ rfork n auth/factotum if(~ `{wc -l /mnt/factotum/ctl plumber upas/fs -b font=/lib/font/bit/pelm/latin1.8.font rio kill plumber |rc } } case con ... } > You could always remove the trampoline script > and see if that fixes things, but I'll be > very surprised. Trampoline is just that -- > a trampoline to another network address. > It dials the address and then ferries bytes > between stdin/stdout and the newly dialed > connection. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 00:44:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 00:44:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29017 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 00:44:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29013 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 00:44:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 00:44:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48061199B7; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 155B8199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10802 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:43:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g85FflQ28076; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:41:48 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g85FflC17475 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:41:47 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209051541.g85FflC17475@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:54:39 +0200." <200209051354.g85DsdZ17105@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <200209051354.g85DsdZ17105@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:41:47 +0200 One addition to my previous message, in the hope it might help an expert. On my sun, I just found in a window the error message from drawterm, when it was unable to connect to the cpu server (so, probably when I already had a factotum runnin on cpu server, started via another drawterm session): drawterm: remote cpu: cpu: srvauth: writing to #=C2=A4/capuse: i/o count = too small Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 03:01:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 03:01:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30215 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 03:01:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30211 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 03:01:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 03:01:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA50F199B9; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6ADF01999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0835.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.251.111]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g85I03MS014549 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <838caff4b3754e9bc38253a585ba2162@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-szerujwqqjexxyxvyegbgslgyq" Subject: [9fans] Popi image viewer Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:20:10 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-szerujwqqjexxyxvyegbgslgyq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wrote this to view images generated using popi. It is really trivial, thanks to Plan9's graphics model and the sane image format. You'll notice most of the logic is for halftone conversion which is completely unnecessary for Plan9, but interesting. I did it to understand draw() and company. --upas-szerujwqqjexxyxvyegbgslgyq Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=disp.c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit // Displays popi generated images on Plan9 4th/ed. // Popi information can be found at: // http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/gerard/ // // bugs are mine fst@centurytel.net #include #include #include #include #include #include "popi.h" // Thresholds for halftone conversion from 8bit grayscale // See "Beyond Photography, The digital Darkroom", G.J. Holtzmann #define RES 8 uchar threshold[RES][RES] = { { 0,128,32,160,8,136,40,168}, { 192,64,224,96,200,72,232,104 }, { 48,176,16,144,56,184,24,152 }, { 240,112,208,80,248,120,216,88 }, { 12,140,44,172,4,132,36,164 }, { 204,76,236,108,196,68,228,100 }, { 60,188,28,156,52,180,20,148 }, { 252,124,220,92,244,116,212,84 } }; void usage(void) { fprint(2, "usage: disp [-h] imagefile\n"); fprint(2, "\timagefile is generated by popi\n"); exits("usage"); } void eresized(int x) { } int main(int argc, char **argv) { Biobufhdr *infile; int nr, hflag = 0; uchar g8[DEF_Y * DEF_X]; /* grey scale buffer */ uchar g1[DEF_Y * DEF_X/8]; /* halftone buffer, 1 bit per pixel*/ Image *dpic; Event ev; Rectangle r, R = Rect(0,0,DEF_X,DEF_Y); ARGBEGIN { case 'h': /* halftone display */ hflag = 1; break; default: usage(); } ARGEND if (argc < 1) { fprint(2, "imagefile missing\n"); usage(); } if (! (infile = Bopen(argv[0], OREAD))) { fprint(2, "can't open %s: %r\n", argv[0]); usage(); } initdraw(nil, nil, "disp"); einit(Ekeyboard|Emouse); dpic = allocimage(display, R, (hflag) ? GREY1 : GREY8, 1, DWhite); /* popi image files are DEF_Y×DEF_X×8bit grayscale pixels */ nr = DEF_Y * DEF_X; if (Bread(infile, g8, nr) != nr) { fprint(2, "bad popi image file\n"); usage(); } if (hflag) { /* halftone conversion */ int y, x; memset(g1, 0, sizeof(g1)); for (y = 0; y < DEF_Y; y++) { for (x = 0; x < DEF_X; x++) { int graypixloc = y * (DEF_Y) + x; int bwpixbyte = y * (DEF_Y/8) + x/8; if (g8[graypixloc] > threshold[y%RES][x%RES]) g1[bwpixbyte] |= 0x80 >> x%8; } } } loadimage(dpic, R, (hflag) ? g1 : g8, nr); r = Rpt(screen->r.min, addpt(screen->r.min, Pt(DEF_X,DEF_Y))); draw(screen, r, dpic, nil, Pt(0,0)); while(event(&ev) != Ekeyboard) ; exits(0); } --upas-szerujwqqjexxyxvyegbgslgyq-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 03:02:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 03:02:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30223 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 03:02:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30219 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 03:02:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 03:02:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 384501999B; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60D49199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0835.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.251.111]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g85I1uMS018498 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] BDF font conversion (again) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:22:04 -0400 There was a discussion here about BDF->Font conversion (Kenji and Rob); Rob had outlined the conversion process. Is there a conversion routine now? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 04:09:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 04:09:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30796 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 04:09:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30792 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 04:09:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 04:09:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53103199F2; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from zolie (adsl-2-237.tvnet.hu [195.38.115.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3B7E119995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? From: "Zoltan Jarai" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 21:08:26 +0200 I get similar symptoms as Axel when trying to use cpu or drawterm, from any machine on my home network. I get two different reactions from cpu, can't really say, what action triggers which. (My user name is zoli.) term% cpu -d cpu: writing network: dir: Hangup term% cpu -d ->Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000' <-Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000' ->Tattach tag 19 fid 303 afid -1 uname zoli aname <-Rattach tag 19 qid (0000000000000000 0 d) cpu: waiting for FS: Hangup ->Tclunk tag 19 fid 303 <-Rclunk tag 19 read9pmsg(4) returns 0: term% notefs exiting: linux% cpu drawterm: remote cpu: cpu: srvauth: writing to #¤/capuse: i/o count too small [10 garbage chars] abort 2438 linux% However, unlike Axel, I do not have any runaway processes on cpu, and rebooting the cpu server does not help either. This started happenning only recently. Unfortunately, I can't recall what change in the system triggered this behavior, as I installed some of the additional software packages, set up secstore, and also did my first replica/pull /dist/replica/network recently. I installed 4th edition at the end of July. Thanks for any help, Zoli From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 07:18:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 07:18:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32308 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 07:18:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32304 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 07:18:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 07:18:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1362D199B7; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp (mta5.ttcn.ne.jp [210.188.175.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3365D19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isabella ([218.225.12.142]) by mta5p.ttcn.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020905221725.LDPF17976.mta5p@isabella>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:17:25 +0900 From: kazumi iwane Subject: Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Datula version 1.51.08 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020905221725.LDPF17976.mta5p@isabella> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 07:18:06 +0900 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > Forsyth is right. Rarpd looks like it was never converted when I > made all internal addresses V6. There are other changes to bring it back > to reality also. All the %I's should turn into %V's and there should be > a fmtinstall for 'V'. I'll stick a new version on sources. Thank you very very much. I'd been off the net and I just got the new rarpd from sources today. I think it's almot ok, but if(write(edata, buf, 42) != 42) error("write failed"); gets Etoosmall. write() only writes 40 bytes. I don't have time to dig into it right now, but I will do so this weekend. -- kazumi iwane From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 07:22:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 07:22:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32342 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 07:22:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32338 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 07:22:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 07:22:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FA37199EE; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 43C2419992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what means: cpu: waiting for FS: ? From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:21:07 -0700 I start factotum on a cpu server from drawterm like this: if (! test -f /srv/factotum.$user) auth/factotum -s factotum.$user mount -b /srv/factotum.$user /mnt This is sure to leave the existing /srv/factotum (for bootes's factotum) alone, and also lets me share one factotum across all my cpu windows. The one wart is that factotum echoes my secstore password when I type it (across the encrypted cpu connection). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 14:13:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 14:13:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4983 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 14:13:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4979 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 14:13:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 14:13:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E130C199B9; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AE25819980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 01:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <86c97a7231073e15f0e8886e6f840437@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] BDF font conversion (again) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-dqoljfwjdvsufipuitcwinlbiu" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:11:48 +0900 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-dqoljfwjdvsufipuitcwinlbiu Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I forgot to reply to the list. Yes, I have one, but I was not satisfied with the codes, and I don't want to make it public. This kind of tool will be used only once for a project, and I don't want to use my time for it more. If you want large Japanese font (it's only for Japanese fonts), you can get it from our web site (http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9/) Sorry. Kenji --upas-dqoljfwjdvsufipuitcwinlbiu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([192.168.1.3]) by diabase; Fri Sep 6 03:03:38 JST 2002 Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.103.2]) by granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04979 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:43:56 +0900 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-02040219) with ESMTP id DAA19452 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 03:02:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 384501999B; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60D49199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0835.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.251.111]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g85I1uMS018498 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] BDF font conversion (again) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:22:04 -0400 There was a discussion here about BDF->Font conversion (Kenji and Rob); Rob had outlined the conversion process. Is there a conversion routine now? --upas-dqoljfwjdvsufipuitcwinlbiu-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 18:43:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 18:43:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8942 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 18:43:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8938 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 18:43:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 18:43:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E582199BF; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B40219992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17nFTC-0001Wn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:32:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: David Message-ID: Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:32:03 GMT Does anyone out there know if there are any ports of Factotum and secstore to either Linux or Windows, or where I could begin to look for these? If not, does anyone know of a good resource to help with how to port something like this to other os's? Thanks in advance!! David From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 19:09:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 19:09:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9290 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 19:09:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9286 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 19:09:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 19:09:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C6B8199F2; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A3CC199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17nFtG-0002GR-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:59:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robby Message-ID: Organization: Unorganised Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:58:06 GMT Hi, I'm planning to set up a network at home and was wondering if it is easy to set up a Sun server as a Plan 9 file server machine? The specs are: Sun E150 167MHz Ultra 1 processor, 512KB Cache 256MB RAM (all Sun) 1 x Builtin 10BaseT ethernet 2 x Sun SWIFT 10-100BaseT ethernet/Fast Wide SCSI-2 SBus card 1 x Sun 2GB 7200rpm UltraScsi system disk and some Sun 4GB 7200rpm UltraScsi internal disks Since I've never seriously played with a Sun box, I'm slightly wary of just jumping in. Thanks for any insight, Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 19:18:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 19:18:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9385 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 19:18:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9381 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 19:18:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 19:18:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3B6C19A05; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8DA4819A02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31aad20180d266d0e908476bf6157498@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-mdvlzduetnluiwohzjrlxsvikl" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:19:12 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-mdvlzduetnluiwohzjrlxsvikl Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you'll have your work cut out: the current version of the system has not (to my knowledge) been ported to a Sun, and the older versions didn't run on an Ultra. in short, i think you'd need to do the port! it might be a good introduction to many aspects of the system, but it is probably more than you were seeking! --upas-mdvlzduetnluiwohzjrlxsvikl Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@vitanuova.com id 1031307000:20:28438:33; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:10:00 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102382; 6 Sep 2002 10:09 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 220EA199EE; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A3CC199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17nFtG-0002GR-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:59:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robby Message-ID: Organization: Unorganised Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:58:06 GMT Hi, I'm planning to set up a network at home and was wondering if it is easy to set up a Sun server as a Plan 9 file server machine? The specs are: Sun E150 167MHz Ultra 1 processor, 512KB Cache 256MB RAM (all Sun) 1 x Builtin 10BaseT ethernet 2 x Sun SWIFT 10-100BaseT ethernet/Fast Wide SCSI-2 SBus card 1 x Sun 2GB 7200rpm UltraScsi system disk and some Sun 4GB 7200rpm UltraScsi internal disks Since I've never seriously played with a Sun box, I'm slightly wary of just jumping in. Thanks for any insight, Robby --upas-mdvlzduetnluiwohzjrlxsvikl-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 19:45:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 19:45:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9618 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 19:45:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9614 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 19:45:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 19:45:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5013F19A06; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39E6A19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 06:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:44:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g86AiYQ04247; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:44:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g86AiXm21042 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:44:34 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209061044.g86AiXm21042@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RE: rioless install In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:56:37 -0400." <200204081056.AA183435436@buzzle.com> References: <200204081056.AA183435436@buzzle.com> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:44:33 +0200 Following up on an old (8 Apr 2002) message: has that wiki page gone? (I also found a reference to http://www.chocolate.no-ip.info/no_rio.txt but that server refuses access: 'connection refused') Axel. > >I have been trying to install plan9 without rio, but I haven't been > > Try the methodology on the wiki page http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/In > stalling_Plan9_without_rio/index.html . > > The instructions are incomplete but methodology works. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 20:40:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 20:40:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10146 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 20:40:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10142 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 20:40:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 20:40:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56B1D19A17; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A30C819A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <51951ecf5a81624de93d30cf2d7a885b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Newer ibm laptops tried? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 13:39:25 +0200 AFAIK, people from the labs are using ibm T23 with Plan 9. Are these the newest ibm models that have been tried with Plan 9? Or have you tried any of the A or X series? thanks a lot. PS: Any other recent laptop not listed in the wiki that worked? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 21:37:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 21:37:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10878 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 21:37:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10874 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 21:37:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 21:37:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C317519A06; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B725F19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14491 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:36:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g86CaqQ01468; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:36:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g86Caq021428 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:36:52 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209061236.g86Caq021428@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newer ibm laptops tried? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 2002 13:39:25 +0200." <51951ecf5a81624de93d30cf2d7a885b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> References: <51951ecf5a81624de93d30cf2d7a885b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:36:52 +0200 At about this very moment people here (UTwente) are trying it on an R31 (if I have the number correct). So far the vga (intel 830M?) is not yet working. Axel. > AFAIK, people from the labs are using ibm T23 with Plan 9. > Are these the newest ibm models that have been tried with Plan 9? > Or have you tried any of the A or X series? > > thanks a lot. > > PS: Any other recent laptop not listed in the wiki that worked? > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 21:42:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 21:42:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10921 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 21:42:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10917 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 21:42:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 21:42:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9836199F2; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3275C19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-mnhdcidbtlcyztirnxkosdhnld" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 08:41:23 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-mnhdcidbtlcyztirnxkosdhnld Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There's no port that I know of. There are a few people considering it at the labs but no action yet. --upas-mnhdcidbtlcyztirnxkosdhnld Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 05:43:15 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 05:43:14 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C5000199BB; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B40219992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 05:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17nFTC-0001Wn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 10:32:06 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: David Message-ID: Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:32:03 GMT Does anyone out there know if there are any ports of Factotum and secstore to either Linux or Windows, or where I could begin to look for these? If not, does anyone know of a good resource to help with how to port something like this to other os's? Thanks in advance!! David --upas-mnhdcidbtlcyztirnxkosdhnld-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 22:31:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 22:31:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11381 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 22:31:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11377 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 22:31:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 22:31:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DF2519980; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from diablo.ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AA631199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14519 invoked by uid 567); 6 Sep 2002 13:29:58 -0000 From: gabidiaz@ipsoluciones.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newer ibm laptops tried? Message-ID: <20020906152958.A14376@ns1.ipsoluciones.net> References: <51951ecf5a81624de93d30cf2d7a885b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <51951ecf5a81624de93d30cf2d7a885b@plan9.escet.urjc.es>; from nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es on Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 01:39:25PM +0200 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:29:58 +0200 > > PS: Any other recent laptop not listed in the wiki that worked? > Sony VAIO PCG-FX105K (with i815 graphic card) -- Un saludo From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 6 23:16:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 6 23:16:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11829 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Sep 2002 23:16:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11825 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 23:16:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 23:16:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 92EFE199D5; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.nove.bg (caesar.nove.bg [212.50.27.99]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F3F8519995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 61213 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 14:14:21 -0000 Received: from sigbus.nove.bg (HELO nove.bg) (chervarium@212.50.27.102) by caesar.nove.bg with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 14:14:21 -0000 Message-ID: <3D78B71F.E6E7D755@nove.bg> From: Atanas Bachvaroff Organization: NOVE AD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: bg, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "9fans@cse.psu.edu" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] ATI Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 17:09:35 +0300 ATI 3D RAGE Pro/XPERT 98 works just perfect with Plan 9 RELEASE 4, I am using it 5 days now and no problems at all (though I expected some problems as it is marked as untested in the current release). I shall continue with the "burn-in" tests and will report here if a problem appears. Bye. P.S. I was just about to forget - is there ongoing effort to port/write from scratch an YMF724 driver to/for Plan 9. And if so, who's dealing with that, I am willing to help (or even start writing it). -- BEATVSHOMOQVIINVENITSAPIENTIAMETQVIAFFLVITPRVDENTIA LIVRILVCIFERIVS Happy is the man that findeth wisdom and the man that getteth understanding Book of LUCIFER From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 00:09:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 00:09:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12298 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 00:09:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12294 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 00:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 00:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03E7B199BF; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56C93199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17nKV0-0004VE-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:54:18 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robby Message-ID: Organization: Unorganised Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <31aad20180d266d0e908476bf6157498@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:53:08 GMT In article <31aad20180d266d0e908476bf6157498@vitanuova.com>, forsyth@vitanuova.com (C H Forsyth) writes: > you'll have your work cut out: the current version > of the system has not (to my knowledge) been ported > to a Sun, and the older versions didn't run on an Ultra. > in short, i think you'd need to do the port! > it might be a good introduction to many aspects of the > system, but it is probably more than you were seeking! Ah, thanks. I didn't manage to get my hands on the machine after all. So, looks like I need to look elsewhere for some kit. I think I'll try and stick to the known to work hardware. Thank you anyway, Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 00:10:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 00:10:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12313 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 00:10:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12309 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 00:10:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 00:10:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01A5719A04; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 489A319992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70569 invoked by uid 18927); 6 Sep 2002 15:04:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 15:04:54 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020906081638.R68196-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:04:54 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > There's no port that I know of. There are a few people considering > it at the labs but no action yet. i'm considering it as part of my masters project here. my supervisor at the University of Calgary is into Grid Computing, and while reading the introductory papers (www.globus.org) i can't help but notice that most of what's considered a 'problem for Grid Computing to solve' has already be solved in P9... i'm trying to make a case for p9 around here (UofC) but i'm banging my head against the 'plan9 is not usable, there are no applications for it' wall, so i'll try to present at least its ideas as worthy of consideration for Griddy people. this probably includes porting factotum and secstore to linux... now, porting a single program does not a masters' thesis make (no matter how hard the port may be), so i'm still fishing for ideas... offtopic: i remember reading a text which praised p9 for its distributedness ('using your colleague's machine and the corporate server in china is one and the same' or something like that was the quote i remember best) which i'm desperately trying to find.. if you remember it please point me towards it, thanx :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 00:32:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 00:32:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12529 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 00:32:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12525 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 00:32:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 00:32:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE54119992; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cosym.net (peter.sys.9srv.net [64.7.3.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4819119999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:31:09 -0400 (EDT) From: anothy@cosym.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020906153109.4819119999@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:27:02 -0400 well, porting a program from plan 9 to linux may not make a masters thesis, but getting factotum integrated would, i suspect, be much more than just the port. at a minimum, i suspect you'll have to do something like PAM integration or the like, and possibly deeper stuff, as well. probably still not quite a masters thesis, but a lot more than a port. and if you get ambitious enough, there's probably alot of room for working on this area in Linux - think about getting NFS from remote (stock) systems to cooperate. ã‚¢ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 01:13:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 01:13:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12961 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 01:13:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12957 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 01:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 01:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C105199B7; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 912EE19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2561723 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 10:12:34 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 10:12:34 -0600 Received: (qmail 7795 invoked by uid 3499); 6 Sep 2002 10:12:34 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 10:12:34 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored In-Reply-To: <20020906081638.R68196-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:12:34 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > i'm trying to make a case for p9 around here (UofC) but i'm banging > my head against the 'plan9 is not usable, there are no applications for it' > wall, so i'll try to present at least its ideas as worthy of consideration > for Griddy people. this probably includes porting factotum and secstore to > linux... so how stupid is that? i hear it all the time, right after people explain how we have source to our apps. This drives me nuts! So the people aren't into recompiling code? AAAAAAAAARRRRRRGH. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 01:29:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 01:29:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13034 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 01:29:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13030 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 01:29:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 01:29:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC7B1199E8; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cosym.net (peter.sys.9srv.net [64.7.3.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5031E199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: anothy@cosym.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020906162847.5031E199E3@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:24:20 -0400 well, to be fair, i think it's more that people arn't into mucking around with config/autoconf stuff for hours before they can even attempt to recompile their app, only to find that all the #ifdefs don't quite match up because something in the autoconf mucking they did isn't *quite* right, and that even after sorting all that out, the various included bits arn't *quite" ANSI/POSIX, or they rely on various "extentions" that "everybody" has, in one form or another (or several forms), hence all the #ifdefs. if really all it involved was typing 'make' (or mk, or whatever), this wouldn't be an issue. but things are hard enough going from linux to, for example, FreeBSD. APE does a pretty good job of matching ANSI/POSIX - but the code in question often doesn't. ã‚¢ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 01:35:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 01:35:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13081 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 01:35:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13077 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 01:35:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 01:35:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C4A6199EE; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 42AA819980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 12:34:31 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.62 ([141.154.230.62]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 12:34:30 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:34:26 -0400 if the answer to ``what do you want from your os'' is ``i just want to run apps'' then don't even bother with plan 9. there are lots of things plan 9 is good at, and if those are important to you, then use plan 9. if all you want is apps, it's silly to use plan 9. i want to run apps too. that's why, most of the time, i use windows with plan 9 inside vmware. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 01:50:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 01:50:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13183 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 01:50:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13179 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 01:50:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 01:50:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B51B3199E3; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 433BB199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2588846 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2002 10:49:53 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 10:49:53 -0600 Received: (qmail 9187 invoked by uid 3499); 6 Sep 2002 10:49:53 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 10:49:53 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:49:53 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > if the answer to ``what do you want from your os'' > is ``i just want to run apps'' then don't even bother > with plan 9. there are lots of things plan 9 is good at, > and if those are important to you, then use plan 9. > if all you want is apps, it's silly to use plan 9. depends. If you want to do Grid things, and you want reasonable security, you won't get there with Unix. There are some fundamental problems with e.g. Globus that in reality are due to its having to work on Unix (or NT, for that matter). They're not fixable. We think it should be possible to to do a real workable Grid with Plan 9. So it matters. (We hope to do a demo in the next few months). Unless you think the Grid is bullshit, for which belief a reasonable case can be made :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 01:56:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 01:56:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13233 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 01:56:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13229 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 01:56:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 01:56:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30604199E8; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F0EAB199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 12:55:01 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.62 ([141.154.230.62]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 12:55:00 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <0142e6ad3268e81960fb4c499d16c896@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:54:57 -0400 But then you want to do more than just run apps. The selling point shouldn't be ``you can run your apps'' but rather ``you can have your Grid and your security.'' My point was that if apps are the only thing, it's not worth selling Plan 9. If apps are an important thing but there are other important things that Plan 9 is good at, then I admit it's a tougher sell. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 03:39:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 03:39:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13893 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 03:39:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13889 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 03:39:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 03:39:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BD4D199BF; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 30F84199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 70928 invoked by uid 18927); 6 Sep 2002 18:34:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 6 Sep 2002 18:34:01 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored In-Reply-To: <0142e6ad3268e81960fb4c499d16c896@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20020906122232.Q70897-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 12:34:01 -0600 (MDT) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > But then you want to do more than just run apps. > The selling point shouldn't be ``you can run your apps'' > but rather ``you can have your Grid and your security.'' > that's exactly what i had in mind. that's why i'm going through the grid papers available on globus.org and for each problem posed there i'm finding a plan9 solution (how to use cpu cycles somewhere else? 'cpu'; how to share resources between different machines? '9p'; how to import remote resources transparently? 'everything is a file'; how to do everything that, and, more securely? 'factotum'; and no, you don't really need a myriad of applications and protocols to achieve it -- it's already been done). that's an oversimplification, i admit, but you get the general idea. now all i have to do is make it good enough to convince ppl p9 is worth looking at... andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 04:04:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 04:04:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14096 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 04:04:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14092 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 04:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 04:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AB8D199BE; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08F43199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17nOQa-0002qv-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:06:00 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) Message-ID: <20020906190600.GB30051@ragnartech.net> References: <31aad20180d266d0e908476bf6157498@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:06:00 -0500 I'm also interested in getting Plan 9 running on some Sun hardware. Specificially, I have a sparcstation 5 and sparcstation 10. I know C, but I've never worked on any operating system porting projects, so I'm not exactly sure where one starts. Cross compile the kernel, then the compiler, then recompile natively, recoding where necessary? Is there a good document out there on porting Plan 9, or should I get ideas from other projects like netbsd and linux? I suppose I also need to get my hands on a sparc ISA doc. --peter -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.35]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020906202952.ZNSD5047.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:29:52 +0100 Message-ID: <00e001c255e4$2d146150$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20020906122232.Q70897-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:29:59 +0100 I wish someone should do a thesis entitled : 'How I ported the [Mozilla|Konqueror] HTML rendering engine to plan9' m :) --- Outgoing mail is certified as idiotic. 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 05:34:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 05:34:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14673 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 05:34:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14669 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 05:34:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 05:34:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 624DA199F2; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4FE40199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 16:33:08 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.62 ([141.154.230.62]) by plan9; Fri Sep 6 16:33:08 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:33:02 -0400 'How I ported the [Mozilla|Konqueror] HTML rendering engine to plan9 and made it fit well with the rest of the system.' From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 07:44:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 07:44:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15522 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 07:44:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15518 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 07:44:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 07:44:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C64C119999; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7F92E19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a65e0b9c7b1a847d1d6baf47d33ab52@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:43:26 -0700 Compiling and cross-compiling are pretty much the same thing on Plan 9, and there already exists a sparc compiler, so don't get hung up on the compiler (I'm assuming you can scrounge a PC for Plan 9 at least temporarily as a place to start from). The first thing I'd do is make sure that I had a full description of how the processor and related hardware work: how do you control the MMU (in painful detail), how do you control any bus interfaces (e.g., SBus), do you have documentation sufficient to write a driver for the interesting peripherals (e.g., Ethernet, video interface), what's the layout of the physical address space? For a Sun, this information may be scattered, but good places to look would be the two existing Plan 9 ports to older Suns (in /n/sources/extra*), Solaris or old SunOS include files, the parts of the Solaris kernel that Sun distributes under its odd not-quite-open-source terms, ports of the various BSDs and possibly Linux. Sun's own documentation was never very helpful in key areas (e.g., MMU) that Sun considered proprietary and valuable. Note that Sun published at least one paper on a reference MMU design that, as far as I know, they never actually used to build an MMU. 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I'm currently downloading the distribution = and plan to install GCC and Python shortly after I setup the OS. What are the current details of 2D graphics acceleration support? From = the Plan9 page I understood that basic functions such as line drawing = and triangles are accelerated under supported chipsets such as the = GeForce2 (which I have). Is accelerated 2D blitting and page flipping supported, too? Thanks in advance. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C25664.78B54860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
I'm new to Plan9 (4th ed.). I'm = currently=20 downloading the distribution and plan to install GCC and Python shortly = after I=20 setup the OS.
What are = the current details of 2D=20 graphics acceleration support? From the Plan9 page I understood that = basic=20 functions such as line drawing and triangles are accelerated under = supported=20 chipsets such as the GeForce2 (which I have).
Is accelerated 2D blitting and page = flipping=20 supported, too?
 
Thanks in = advance.
------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C25664.78B54860-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 20:42:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 20:42:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21598 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 20:42:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21594 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 20:42:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 20:42:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B40D4199B9; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7A86319980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Sep 7 07:41:59 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.62 ([141.154.230.62]) by plan9; Sat Sep 7 07:41:58 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <7fe60acbd21b4fc36e135e68c7429b86@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 2D acceleration question From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:41:54 -0400 The only accelerated operations are solid rectangle fills and rectangle moves. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 22:07:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 22:07:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22183 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 22:07:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22179 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 22:07:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 22:07:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AB88199BE; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hotmail.com (oe12.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.16.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E219219995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 06:06:55 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [80.246.194.70] From: "Vesselin Peev" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7fe60acbd21b4fc36e135e68c7429b86@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] 2D acceleration question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2002 13:06:55.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[70BBF540:01C2566F] Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:06:43 -0700 Thanks. I'll be still looking into Plan9, though. But hey, even dead OS/2 has that, but then I remember Plan9 is for distributed computing... oh, well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Cox" > The only accelerated operations are solid > rectangle fills and rectangle moves. > > Russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 7 22:10:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 7 22:10:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22193 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Sep 2002 22:10:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22189 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 22:10:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 22:10:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88A69199D5; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D7967199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Sep 7 09:09:10 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.62 ([141.154.230.62]) by plan9; Sat Sep 7 09:09:09 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <10bca95012247ca20af9635181c555ce@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 2D acceleration question From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:09:05 -0400 You have to balance implementor effort vs. the benefits of having the code. For the sorts of graphics we do (mainly just window system and basic interface sorts of things), not having fills and moves is far too painful. No one has had a strong enough need for the others to go out and write the code. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 8 02:56:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 8 02:56:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24936 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Sep 2002 02:56:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24932 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 02:56:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 02:56:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BA8D199B7; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C85F19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.35]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020907175529.PIEH1968.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:55:29 +0100 Message-ID: <00a701c25697$c69a8120$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:55:36 +0100 > 'How I ported the [Mozilla|Konqueror] > HTML rendering engine to plan9 and > made it fit well with the rest of the system.' talking of which, has anyone even started doing an HTML DOM file system? i.e. throw it some html and it produces the DOM tree in files & folders The code for the w3 HTML validator is available under a GPL compatible license. http://validator.w3.org/source/ On the downside it's perl, but it's self contained. If it runs under the p9 perl you could even just use the code straight as it produces a nice textual parse tree. m --- Outgoing mail is certified as idiotic. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 8 04:43:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 8 04:43:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26229 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Sep 2002 04:43:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26225 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 04:43:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 04:43:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89F54199F2; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cnm-vra.com (cnm-vra.com [209.76.64.46]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9980C19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micah by cnm-vra.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17nlTl-0004pQ-00; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 12:42:49 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification Message-ID: <20020907124249.B18375@cnm-vra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: Micah Stetson Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 12:42:49 -0700 I hate to raise the spectre of license wars again, but I really must ask about this. I just updated my desktop machine from sources and noticed that the LICENSE file was changed. Diffing against the version on an ISO image I had lying around, I noticed something very disturbing: No right is granted to use, reproduce, modify, execute, display, perform, distribute or sublicense the Original Software or any modules or portions thereof as a part of, or in conjunction with, any other operating system or application. Doesn't this disallow the incorporation of any Plan 9 code into any other program/system? Wouldn't this prevent things like the port of factotum to unix (with integration into the system) that has been talked about on 9fans this last week? Also I noticed a lot of phrases like this: as [part of] an operating system substantially similar to functioning Plan 9 software in the places talking about allowed modification and redistribution. Looks like this bars any major changes to the system. So if the first clause above disallows reuse of the code in other products and the other phrase I quoted disallows major changes to the system. Does this mean that all we are allowed to do is fix bugs and add minor features? Must all major innovation come from the Labs? I don't for an instant imagine that anything of the sort is the intent of those who work on Plan 9 within Lucent, but what are we who are outside to do? Also, the last line of the license file says still says that it's version 1.1 of the license modified on 09/20/00. This cant' be right as the line is identical on the version I have without the above changes. Hoping I'm reading it all wrong, Micah From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 8 05:01:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 8 05:01:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26425 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Sep 2002 05:01:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26421 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 05:01:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 05:01:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACE6C199B7; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AFF3319999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2514252 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2002 14:00:51 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 14:00:51 -0600 Received: (qmail 19823 invoked by uid 3499); 7 Sep 2002 14:00:51 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Sep 2002 14:00:51 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification In-Reply-To: <20020907124249.B18375@cnm-vra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:00:51 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Micah Stetson wrote: > No right is granted to use, reproduce, modify, execute, > display, perform, distribute or sublicense the Original > Software or any modules or portions thereof as a part > of, or in conjunction with, any other operating system > or application. This looks disturbingly like the next step in the continuous attempts by Lucent to kill Plan 9 any way they can :-( You know, as hard as we are working here at LANL to get this stuff noticed, I sometimes feel Lucent is working just as hard to make it impossible for DOE or other parts of the USG to ever use it. This is very discouraging. I've talked this system up at various "high level" (i.e. non-technical) DOE-sponsored meetings. We're actually at the point where the name "Plan 9" appears on OTHER people's slides about "possible future OS directions for DOE". But the earlier license was enough of a problem, and this new clause might be enough to take Plan 9 off the table. Blast. Bell Labs guys, is there any hope of fixing this? Or are we screwed? ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 8 14:29:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 8 14:29:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32732 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Sep 2002 14:29:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32728 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 14:29:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 14:29:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 763AC19991; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ducky.net (ducky.net [199.26.172.91]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18AEE19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ducky.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ducky.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g885RuKs015846 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@ducky.net) Received: (from mike@localhost) by ducky.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g885Rlwj015842 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Haertel Message-Id: <200209080527.g885Rlwj015842@ducky.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification In-Reply-To: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Presumably the sources prior to August 20 can still be redistributed under the older license. So perhaps the Plan 9 community needs to set up a repository independent of Lucent, and go forward from there, accepting no further changes developed by Lucent? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 8 18:01:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 8 18:01:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3227 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Sep 2002 18:01:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3223 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 18:01:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 18:01:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5409E199BE; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 05:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6350719981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 05:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67903434e8fbdc99737ea144036157dd@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3ciscupdate v148.2.1) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@nx.aichi-u.ac.jp Subject: [9fans] pop3 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:00:07 +0900 Hello, This day I received a mail with long long long single line CC field. The size is over 100kB! I tried pop3 but both pop3 server and client failed into endless loop. Where should I fix ? And I hate such a mail. How can I cut that ? cpu% mail 1 105009 9/08 10:18 dmuka22@eircom.net ... cpu% ps arisawa 52759 6:45 0:00 280K Ready pop3 cpu% acid 52830 /proc/52830/text:386 plan 9 executable /sys/lib/acid/port /sys/lib/acid/386 acid: stk() At pc:0x0002002d:memchr+0x13 /sys/src/libc/386/memchr.s:13 memchr(n=0x00002000,p=0x00030728,c=0x0000000a) /sys/src/libc/386/memchr.s:4 called from Brdline+0x5d /sys/src/libbio/brdline.c:29 Brdline(bp=0x000306f0,delim=0x0000000a) /sys/src/libbio/brdline.c:7 called from readmbox+0x31d /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:243 readmbox(box=0x0002d3b8) /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:164 called from dologin+0x239 /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:759 dologin(response=0x7fffeb91) /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:719 called from apopcmd+0x39 /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:796 apopcmd(arg=0x7fffeb89) /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:789 called from main+0x15d /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:138 main(argv=0x7fffefdc,argc=0x00000000) /usr/arisawa/src/pop3/pop3.c:91 called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16 acid: echo kill > /proc/52830/ctl cpu% Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 8 19:51:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 8 19:51:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4450 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Sep 2002 19:51:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4446 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 19:51:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 19:51:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8B05199D5; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1E23419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 06:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9aae2a606e54dd2f6db9c4212b18c709@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] pop3 From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:49:51 +0900 >This day I received a mail with long long long single line CC field. >The size is over 100kB! This was incorrect. `Long long long' was BCC field. cpu% pwd /mail/fs/mbox cpu% ls -l 1 --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 65140 Sep 8 19:35 1/bcc --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 39368 Sep 8 19:35 1/body --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/cc --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 43 Sep 8 19:35 1/date --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 40 Sep 8 19:35 1/digest --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/disposition --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/filename --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 18 Sep 8 19:35 1/from --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 65253 Sep 8 19:35 1/header --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 65358 Sep 8 19:35 1/info --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/inreplyto --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 2 Sep 8 19:35 1/lines --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/messageid --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/mimeheader --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 105009 Sep 8 19:35 1/raw --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 39368 Sep 8 19:35 1/rawbody --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 65640 Sep 8 19:35 1/rawheader --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 23 Sep 8 19:35 1/replyto --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/sender --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 0 Sep 8 19:35 1/subject --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 23 Sep 8 19:35 1/to --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 10 Sep 8 19:35 1/type --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 43 Sep 8 19:35 1/unixdate --r--r--r-- M 59205 arisawa arisawa 68 Sep 8 19:35 1/unixheader cpu% Actual body size is not 39368 but very small. cpu% cat 1/body [many many may mail addresses is sniped] @graphic-designer.com,slavinm@delphi.com,chwa@bbs.openfind.com.tw Subject: CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL!!! Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:16:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 192.116.116.5 X-Mailer: Eircom Net CRC Webmail (http://www.eircom.net/) Organization: Eircom Net (http://www.eircom.net/) [mail body continued # snipped] Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 00:45:41 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 00:45:41 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7682 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 00:45:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7678 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 00:45:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 00:45:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B222199E8; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 365D919981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g88Fib011838; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:44:42 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification In-Reply-To: <200209080527.g885Rlwj015842@ducky.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:44:37 -0500 (CDT) On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Mike Haertel wrote: > Presumably the sources prior to August 20 can still be redistributed > under the older license. So perhaps the Plan 9 community needs to > set up a repository independent of Lucent, and go forward from there, > accepting no further changes developed by Lucent? Hangar 18 is already there...when we set ourselves up in 2000 this was one of the issues that was driving the group, the believe that Lucent would -not- be a good 'parent'. http://open-forge.org -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 01:11:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 01:11:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7885 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 01:11:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7881 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 01:11:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 01:11:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D20E199BE; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from acl.lanl.gov (acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 81ED119999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2630632 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2002 10:10:38 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 10:10:38 -0600 Received: (qmail 31395 invoked by uid 3499); 8 Sep 2002 10:10:37 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2002 10:10:37 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification In-Reply-To: <200209080527.g885Rlwj015842@ducky.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 10:10:37 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Mike Haertel wrote: > Presumably the sources prior to August 20 can still be redistributed > under the older license. So perhaps the Plan 9 community needs to > set up a repository independent of Lucent, and go forward from there, > accepting no further changes developed by Lucent? I have had it explained to me by BTL guys that even that license has trouble in it for companies. It's a shame. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 03:32:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 03:32:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8683 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 03:32:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8679 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 03:32:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 03:32:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BD2D199D5; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta1p.ttcn.ne.jp (mta1.ttcn.ne.jp [210.188.175.70]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE7A719999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isabella ([218.225.15.26]) by mta1p.ttcn.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020908183107.NSED5386.mta1p@isabella> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:31:07 +0900 From: kazumi iwane Subject: Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020905221725.LDPF17976.mta5p@isabella> References: <20020905221725.LDPF17976.mta5p@isabella> X-Mailer: Datula version 1.51.08 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020908183107.NSED5386.mta1p@isabella> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 03:31:54 +0900 kiwane@mx6.ttcn.ne.jp wrote: > if(write(edata, buf, 42) != 42) > error("write failed"); > > gets Etoosmall. I think it's because 42 < ETHERMINTU == 60, so I changed: rarpd.c:159 c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/rarpd.c:159 < if(write(edata, buf, 60) != 60) --- > if(write(edata, buf, 42) != 42) and it is working now. -- kazumi iwane From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 03:36:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 03:36:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8704 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 03:36:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8700 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 03:36:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 03:36:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5ABF199D5; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0A1C719999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pjixehxubjwhhyzqdwyccgnnff" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:35:19 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pjixehxubjwhhyzqdwyccgnnff Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks, I'll fix sources. --upas-pjixehxubjwhhyzqdwyccgnnff Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 8 14:32:16 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Sep 8 14:32:15 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD930199BE; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta1p.ttcn.ne.jp (mta1.ttcn.ne.jp [210.188.175.70]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE7A719999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from isabella ([218.225.15.26]) by mta1p.ttcn.ne.jp with SMTP id <20020908183107.NSED5386.mta1p@isabella> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 03:31:07 +0900 From: kazumi iwane Subject: Re: [9fans] ip/rarpd problem To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020905221725.LDPF17976.mta5p@isabella> References: <20020905221725.LDPF17976.mta5p@isabella> X-Mailer: Datula version 1.51.08 for Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20020908183107.NSED5386.mta1p@isabella> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 03:31:54 +0900 kiwane@mx6.ttcn.ne.jp wrote: > if(write(edata, buf, 42) != 42) > error("write failed"); > > gets Etoosmall. I think it's because 42 < ETHERMINTU == 60, so I changed: rarpd.c:159 c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/rarpd.c:159 < if(write(edata, buf, 60) != 60) --- > if(write(edata, buf, 42) != 42) and it is working now. -- kazumi iwane --upas-pjixehxubjwhhyzqdwyccgnnff-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 04:29:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 04:29:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9050 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 04:29:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9046 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 04:29:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 04:29:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5284C199D5; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE822199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0562.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.248.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g88JSHMS003936 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <21e4e1fad7ce366e0327b91e6c30c896@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:48:15 -0400 My biggest problem is that, for a change as critical as this, it was done in a rather stealthy way. When you do the fresh download you have to read and agree to the license. I don't know of any such setup with replica/pull. How many more changes like this are expected? >> Presumably the sources prior to August 20 can still be redistributed >> under the older license. So perhaps the Plan 9 community needs to >> set up a repository independent of Lucent, and go forward from there, >> accepting no further changes developed by Lucent? > > Hangar 18 is already there...when we set ourselves up in 2000 this was > one of the issues that was driving the group, the believe that Lucent > would -not- be a good 'parent'. > > http://open-forge.org From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 04:44:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 04:44:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9140 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 04:44:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9136 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 04:44:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 04:44:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A620F199D5; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70E7819999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0562.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.248.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g88JhOMS023638 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 12:03:22 -0400 What does "application" mean in this context? I am working on a service that has an "application" that runs on Plan9 interacting with other "applications" that run on Win/OSX/Linux. Does this mean I have to have a commercial deal in place with Lucent before I can go any further, even if stock Plan9 is used? What if the "applications" were using 9P? It seems to me (I sincerely hope) that this was ONLY and specifically added for Factotum and Secstore; it obviously has implication all over the place. >> No right is granted to use, reproduce, modify, execute, >> display, perform, distribute or sublicense the Original >> Software or any modules or portions thereof as a part >> of, or in conjunction with, any other operating system >> or application. > > This looks disturbingly like the next step in the continuous attempts by > Lucent to kill Plan 9 any way they can :-( From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 06:08:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 06:08:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9515 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 06:08:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9511 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 06:08:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 06:08:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 855F1199B9; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 24236199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0f8b50e8a008044d5403654fc76a82aa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re [9fans] pop3 From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 06:07:12 +0900 Hello presotto, Thanks for quick response. >What happens if you use the plan 9 mailer, >upas/nedmail,to read the message? I can read. No problem. >I'm trying to find out of the problem is in upas/fs, >the pop3 server, or thepop3 client. >Which client are you using? My client is not Plan9. That is old one, NEXTSTEP pop3 client. Therefore I guess client has a problem. In fact it failed into endless loop. However Plan9 pop3 sever also failed into endless loop. I concluded those was endless loop from the wasted CPU time. Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 08:45:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 08:45:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10565 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 08:45:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10561 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 08:45:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 08:45:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B43B6199B9; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA2A019981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nas.com (max2-d113.nas.com [206.63.102.242]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26EB5EBE4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D7BE5DE.1010405@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:05:50 -0700 Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > It seems to me (I sincerely hope) that this was ONLY and specifically > added for Factotum and Secstore; it obviously has implication all over > the place. >>> No right is granted to use, reproduce, modify, execute, >>> display, perform, distribute or sublicense the Original >>> Software or any modules or portions thereof as a part >>> of, or in conjunction with, any other operating system >>> or application. If I'm reading this correctly (though out of context, of course), it also means that we're not only no longer able to use drawterm, but we're also unable to use it with VMWare (or VNC from anything other than Plan 9). I'm also guessing that we're not allowed to use the mail or DNS servers to support other OSes, which poses a huge problem. Hell, I accessed the wiki this afternoon using Mozilla; I think that violates the license at least four times (DNS and httpd with other OS and other application). When will the lawyers call? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 08:51:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 08:51:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10651 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 08:51:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10646 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 08:51:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 08:51:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25C05199B9; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BB0519981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nas.com (max2-d113.nas.com [206.63.102.242]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD9DEBE73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D7BE730.8060305@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:11:28 -0700 Brian Hancock wrote: > The authentication machine will let people here get some experience with > Plan 9. Eventually we want to set up a proper Plan 9 network with a file > server. > > The laptop I use to write, I use sam, and then create a typeset > version in Latex for printing. It's also good to connect to the > Internet any place I can get a DHCP connection. Along these lines, if someone wanted to share files from a standalone workstation, would it be best to set it up as a standalone auth/(k)fs server and treat it as a network of one? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 08:51:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 08:51:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10658 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 08:51:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10654 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 08:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 08:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9ACAA199EE; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A5C819988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 19:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nas.com (max2-d113.nas.com [206.63.102.242]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F16EBE74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D7BE752.80805@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newer ibm laptops tried? References: <51951ecf5a81624de93d30cf2d7a885b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 17:12:02 -0700 Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > PS: Any other recent laptop not listed in the wiki that worked? I have a Hitachi (whose model escapes me) at work that works like a charm, and I think it's just 2 years old (not the laptop with the Cirrus Logic chipset I posted about before). I'm currently on an extremely new Acer TravelMate 630 that I was just going to try out (as soon as the puppy on my lap wakes). The specs look promising: P4+NVidia+Realtek. When I have the details on both, I'll add it to the wiki, or harass me if I don't get to it. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 10:27:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 10:27:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13439 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 10:27:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13434 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 10:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 10:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83B0F19981; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4211519981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Re [9fans] pop3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:26:19 -0400 It could be that the client kept asking it to do the same thing over and over again. I can't see from the code that it would care how long the headers are, except to count them. I'll try it tomorrow and see if it loops with a windows client. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 10:43:54 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 10:43:54 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13994 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 10:43:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13988 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 10:43:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 10:43:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E915F199B7; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from smtp2.san.rr.com (smtp2.san.rr.com [24.25.195.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4779519999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from san.rr.com (dt038n0f.san.rr.com [24.30.143.15]) by smtp2.san.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g891gQw05958 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D7BFB79.4020403@san.rr.com> From: Eric Dorman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:38:01 -0700 Ronald G Minnich wrote: >On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Mike Haertel wrote: > > > >>Presumably the sources prior to August 20 can still be redistributed >>under the older license. So perhaps the Plan 9 community needs to >>set up a repository independent of Lucent, and go forward from there, >>accepting no further changes developed by Lucent? >> >> > > >I have had it explained to me by BTL guys that even that license has >trouble in it for companies. > >It's a shame. > >ron > > > > To say nothing of the trouble that would result if used in a classified project. Eric Dorman edorman@san.rr.com dormane@spawar.navy.mil From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 11:08:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 11:08:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14817 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 11:08:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14805 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 11:08:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 11:08:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DB05199E3; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E84D019988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 22:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Aug 20 license modification From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:06:21 +0900 I was much surprised to read those posts today, and have read the new License at http://plan9.bell-labs.com. Yes, it's true... I'm now rewriting Yoshitatsu's planv, which uses many codes from acme, and I must stop my subject now. It's mostly wasted my time... The line >of, or in conjunction with, any other operating system > or application. ^^^^^^^^^ made me into trouble. 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HAGA SU PEDIDO INDICANDO: marca de la impresora y modelo al tel.934315124-Fax934319444 o al contestador 934311054 dejando su mensaje easy inkjet From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 18:55:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 18:55:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28439 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 18:55:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28434 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 18:55:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 18:55:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E9B21998C; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0493919999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17oLCn-0004W2-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:51:41 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: ralph mellor Message-ID: Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] "Plan 9 teeters on the edge of freeness but... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:51:08 GMT ...falls howling into the abyss of doom..." [1] (A rather colorful way of saying that the Plan 9 license, as it stood when the statement was made, should not be considered "open source". [2]) Afaict, there was a clear good faith effort at one point to respond to RMS' points and to have the Plan 9 license OKed by the OSI. [3] It seems the license got close. [4] But, for some reason, there was no closure on the process; and at some later date someone at Lucent apparently decided to take the position that Lucent would not subject their licenses to certification by 3rd parties, and this presumably stalled the attempt to modify to meet the needs of the open source community and have it certified by OSI. [5] Is this about right as an assessment? Is there really some fundamental issue that means Plan 9 is destined to never become genuinely open source? Could *I* try to see if I can get the license certified? -- ralph [1] At least, a poster stated as much a couple years ago in: http://tinyurl.com/1chc It looks like the license was subsequently changed in a way that I suspect would have satisfied the quoted poster. But the "teeters on the edge" quote still seems apropos for the reasons stated in the rest of this email. [2] By "open source", I mean as defined by the OSI (http://www.opensource.org/), the body trusted by many hackers to identify what is and is not open source. [3] "Rob Pike has submitted the plan9 license..." (cut/paste next two lines together): http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi? 3:mss:1988:200007:aankcpfkdbioplpjjacb [4] Two lists of issues I found from the FSF and opensource.org web sites were, respectively: RMS' summary of Plan 9 license issues as of Oct 5 2000: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.html John Cowan's summary of Plan 9 license issues as of Aug 20 2000: EITHER full URL (cut/paste next two lines together): http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi? 3:mss:2173:aankcpfkdbioplpjjacb OR short alternate URL: http://tinyurl.com/1ch9 I note several license modifications that appear to be attempts to address many of the key points raised. [5] Apparently there was a "Lucent policy decision" not to pursue license approvals: http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:5 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 18:55:44 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 18:55:44 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28447 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 18:55:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28443 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 18:55:43 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 18:55:43 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E65D7199EE; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80A1119988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17oLC4-0004Ud-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:50:56 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: peter huang Message-ID: Organization: SSO-IT, Hewlett-Packard Co. References: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:50:44 GMT I would love to see some of the grid stuff on plan9. some of the concept is not so different. data grid is like file server. computing grid is like cpu server. gsi can only be enhanced by factotum and secstored. -peter "Ronald G Minnich" wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.33.0209061047410.9180-100000@xed.acl.lanl.gov... > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > > > if the answer to ``what do you want from your os'' > > is ``i just want to run apps'' then don't even bother > > with plan 9. there are lots of things plan 9 is good at, > > and if those are important to you, then use plan 9. > > if all you want is apps, it's silly to use plan 9. > > depends. If you want to do Grid things, and you want reasonable security, > you won't get there with Unix. There are some fundamental problems with > e.g. Globus that in reality are due to its having to work on Unix (or NT, > for that matter). They're not fixable. > > We think it should be possible to to do a real workable Grid with Plan 9. > So it matters. (We hope to do a demo in the next few months). > > Unless you think the Grid is bullshit, for which belief a reasonable case > can be made :-) > > ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 18:56:02 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 18:56:02 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28470 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 18:56:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28465 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 18:56:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 18:56:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D740D19A04; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6923219999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17oLCn-0004Vw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:51:41 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: John Reagan Message-ID: Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Newbie Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:50:56 GMT Hello, Would anyone be willing to answer a few beginner questions for me, before I download Plan9? The install seems fairly straight forward. I have questions about the file system, libraries, stuff like that. Any info is much appreciated. J. Reagan From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 18:56:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 18:56:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28478 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 18:56:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28474 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 18:56:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 18:56:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A6E419A0B; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4E74199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 05:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17oLCn-0004W8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 10:51:41 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Adrian Tritschler Message-ID: Organization: Monash Uni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <51951ecf5a81624de93d30cf2d7a885b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Subject: Re: [9fans] Newer ibm laptops tried? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:51:19 GMT Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > AFAIK, people from the labs are using ibm T23 with Plan 9. > Are these the newest ibm models that have been tried with Plan 9? > Or have you tried any of the A or X series? I have plan9 working on a T21 *except* for the inbuilt 3com ethernet. Insufficient knowledge and experience on my part to find out why the driver won't work. Some T21s appear to have an inbuilt Intel ethernet controller and I've heard that they work. > thanks a lot. > > PS: Any other recent laptop not listed in the wiki that worked? --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:Adrian.Tritschler@its.monash.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 21:24:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 21:24:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30590 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 21:24:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30586 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 21:24:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 21:24:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDA2519A05; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AC78D199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3ciscupdate v148.2.1) From: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Re [9fans] pop3 References: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:00:40 +0900 >I'll try it tomorrow and see if it loops with a windows client. Thanks, Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 21:25:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 21:25:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30622 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 21:25:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30618 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 21:25:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 21:25:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 658FC199B7; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AECB319A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g89COax8018083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:24:38 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g89COXxG018081 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:24:33 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] "Plan 9 teeters on the edge of freeness but... Message-ID: <20020909142432.A12632@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from ralph mellor on Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:51:08AM +0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:24:32 +0200 On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:51:08AM +0000, ralph mellor wrote: > > ...falls howling into the abyss of doom..." [1] > (A rather colorful way of saying that the Plan 9 > license, as it stood when the statement was made, > should not be considered "open source". [2]) > What is the mailing list created specifically to discuss Plan 9 licence issues? I was convinced that the licence was adequate, but evidently conditions have changed. I'd like to do some catching up. DOes anyone know where it is archived, as well? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 22:07:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 22:07:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31083 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 22:07:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31079 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 22:07:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 22:07:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFAFF199B7; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9B0441998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Eric Grosse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:06:49 -0400 Friends of Plan 9, The license change happened while a number of us were out of town and we're working to get it reconsidered. Please give us a few more days to try to straighten this out. (And, no, it had nothing to do with factotum and secstore. The thing to watch out for there is commercial application of encrypted key exchange, which may be covered by various people's patents. I'm looking at porting factotum to Windows, but plan to keep secstore on Plan 9 because I can administer that more securely than I know how to do with Windows or Unix.) Eric From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 22:12:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 22:12:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31167 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 22:12:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31163 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 22:12:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 22:12:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9CF419A05; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D5FF71998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f61b6a465c5985b63667c938f09da21@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] "Plan 9 teeters on the edge of freeness but... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-azurdgvlinoqnogpfxlkomwbvg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 09:11:10 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-azurdgvlinoqnogpfxlkomwbvg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The special mailing list got no activity. I seem to remember only geoff mailing to it; noone wanted to rant without an audience so I killed it. Look at old 9fans mail for an archive of previous discussions. --upas-azurdgvlinoqnogpfxlkomwbvg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 9 08:25:12 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Sep 9 08:25:11 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27EA9199F2; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AECB319A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 08:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g89COax8018083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:24:38 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g89COXxG018081 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:24:33 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] "Plan 9 teeters on the edge of freeness but... Message-ID: <20020909142432.A12632@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from ralph mellor on Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:51:08AM +0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:24:32 +0200 On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:51:08AM +0000, ralph mellor wrote: > > ...falls howling into the abyss of doom..." [1] > (A rather colorful way of saying that the Plan 9 > license, as it stood when the statement was made, > should not be considered "open source". [2]) > What is the mailing list created specifically to discuss Plan 9 licence issues? I was convinced that the licence was adequate, but evidently conditions have changed. I'd like to do some catching up. DOes anyone know where it is archived, as well? ++L --upas-azurdgvlinoqnogpfxlkomwbvg-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 23:01:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 23:01:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31654 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 23:01:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31650 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 23:01:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 23:01:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF32B19A17; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7B50219999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47d7c9449fbab227586104dda27a11eb@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:00:08 -0400 Check the FAQ first, of course, but ask away. There's no reason not to do it on the list -- then others will be able to find the questions and answers in the archives. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 9 23:48:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 9 23:48:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32089 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Sep 2002 23:48:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32085 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2002 23:48:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Sep 2002 23:48:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE1EA1998C; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 996F41998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g89ElEx8018280 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:47:16 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g89ElDpU018279 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:47:13 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] license Message-ID: <20020909164708.C12632@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Eric Grosse on Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:06:49AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:47:08 +0200 On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:06:49AM -0400, Eric Grosse wrote: > The license change happened while a number of us were out of town > and we're working to get it reconsidered. Please give us a few > more days to try to straighten this out. > Aren't we in a situation where the licence ('scuse the spelling) is trying to address conflicting objectives? I don't for one moment believe that the users community should dictate the terms of the licence, but perhaps we can isolate portions of the code that Lucent believes ought to be protected and release as much as possible with only OSI-style restrictions. And on that score, I have cartographic (maps, I suppose) that were released under the 2nd Edition licence. Was it licencing or pure practicality that kept the data from being released under 3ed or 4ed? I suppose bringing up the subject of licence terms surrounding Alef won't win me any friends, either :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 00:15:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 00:15:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32295 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 00:15:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32291 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 00:15:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 00:15:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51C57199ED; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7E17A199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:14:55 -0400 The contents of /lib/roads from the second edition are publicly-derived maps, and they are not distributed only because of size. If you want particular pieces they are at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/tiger Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 00:26:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 00:26:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32382 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 00:26:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32378 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 00:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 00:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 964EA19A25; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33B4F19A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g89FPox8018358 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:25:51 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g89FPnL8018357 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:25:49 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] license Message-ID: <20020909172546.F12632@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Russ Cox on Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 11:14:55AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:25:47 +0200 On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 11:14:55AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > [ ... ] If you want particular pieces > they are at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/tiger > I asked because I wanted to avoid infringing the licence if I installed them on a public access Plan 9 host. Thank you for the clarification. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 04:26:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 04:26:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1689 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 04:26:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1685 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 04:26:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 04:26:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9387419A08; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA83C199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.5/8.12.5/ic) with ESMTP id g89JPIBO002617 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:25:19 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup02.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.17]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA61004 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:25:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] license X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02090922284800.00583@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:28:48 -0400 What else not distributed with system only because of size (except maps, TeX)? -ask > The contents of /lib/roads from the second edition > are publicly-derived maps, and they are not distributed > only because of size. If you want particular pieces > they are at ftp://plan9.bell-labs.com/tiger > > Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 04:56:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 04:56:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1893 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 04:56:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1889 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 04:56:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 04:56:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6D50199F2; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E183D19A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d2472992663babcf529f675e095f2f0@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] LICENSE Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:55:13 -0400 Nostra culpa, nostra culpa, nostra maxima culpa. I put back the old (previous) version of the license. Please act like the last few weeks didn't happen, hard though that might be. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 05:19:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 05:19:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2059 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 05:19:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2055 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 05:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 05:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24301199DD; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84052199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17oV1H-0006TM-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:20:27 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] LICENSE Message-ID: <20020909202027.GC30051@ragnartech.net> References: <4d2472992663babcf529f675e095f2f0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d2472992663babcf529f675e095f2f0@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:20:27 -0500 > Nostra culpa, nostra culpa, nostra maxima culpa. > > I put back the old (previous) version of the license. Please act > like the last few weeks didn't happen, hard though that might be. So, what is the version number of the current, valid license? peter -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39e5c4aebead98720077a2dd482865c3@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] LICENSE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ojzseaobtgvksaobkszukdyrsj" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:21:54 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ojzseaobtgvksaobkszukdyrsj Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit % md5sum /n/sources/plan9/LICENSE 7cfeab06fec3710377433e711705cb14 /n/sources/plan9/LICENSE --upas-ojzseaobtgvksaobkszukdyrsj Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 9 16:19:16 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Sep 9 16:19:16 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB4E019A00; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84052199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:18:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17oV1H-0006TM-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:20:27 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] LICENSE Message-ID: <20020909202027.GC30051@ragnartech.net> References: <4d2472992663babcf529f675e095f2f0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4d2472992663babcf529f675e095f2f0@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:20:27 -0500 > Nostra culpa, nostra culpa, nostra maxima culpa. > > I put back the old (previous) version of the license. Please act > like the last few weeks didn't happen, hard though that might be. So, what is the version number of the current, valid license? peter -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0562.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.248.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g89KjxMS016868 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Ownership settings on a second KFS Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:05:51 -0400 It makes sense that each additional kfs for additional drives will need its own /adm/users at the root of the filesystem it handles. Is there a better way to supply this other than copying it from the initial kfs at startup? Binding to the first /adm does seem to work. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 05:53:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 05:53:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2276 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 05:53:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2272 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 05:53:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 05:53:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62F0B19A28; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9 (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2121719A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7494f610b456eb3af1b33688159ac443@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ownership settings on a second KFS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:52:18 -0400 > It makes sense that each additional kfs for additional drives will need > its own /adm/users at the root of the filesystem it handles. Is there a better > way to supply this other than copying it from the initial kfs at startup? I don't think so. > Binding to the first /adm does seem to work. I think you're imagining that. Kfs doesn't know anything about bind, so it can't see the binding you introduce. Note that if /adm/users is empty, kfs uses a default list of -1:adm:adm: 0:none:adm: 1:tor:tor: 2:glenda:glenda: 10000:sys:: 10001:upas:upas: 10002:bootes:bootes: Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 06:27:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 06:27:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2525 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 06:27:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2521 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 06:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 06:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7880019A31; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF5BB19A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 17:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0562.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.248.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g89LQlMS008744 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 14:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <06f1ad52e5ad37b3c402aae3d5cdfb79@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ownership settings on a second KFS From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:46:40 -0400 >> It makes sense that each additional kfs for additional drives will need >> its own /adm/users at the root of the filesystem it handles. Is there a better >> way to supply this other than copying it from the initial kfs at startup? > > I don't think so. Although it would make sense because of uniformity (why should the first disk be any different to kfs than the second, etc.) notice that I didn't say I liked it ☺ > >> Binding to the first /adm does seem to work. > > I think you're imagining that. Kfs doesn't > know anything about bind, so it can't see the > binding you introduce. > I miss typed. I meant to say "does NOT". From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 07:11:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 07:11:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2805 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 07:11:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2801 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 07:11:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 07:11:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42D9C19A4A; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 96C3019A2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9381 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Sep 2002 22:09:44 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020909220944.GA9335@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] setup Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:09:44 -0700 So Ive gotten most things set up correctly on my plan 9 network. I have a auth/cpu server (ra), a file server (thoth), and even a terminal. The auth server and terminal both boot off of a floppy and get their root from the file server, in otherwords they are diskless. Eventually I want to have a few dedicated cpu servers and about 3-5 terminals spread around my house for people to use, as well as be able to serve some people outside of the house through drawterm if possible. The house uses 100 megabit ethernet and connects out to the world through DSL. My hardware is not top of the line, most of the systems are older salvaged computers many people would consider junk. The cpu and file servers right now are just on the order of pentium 100's. I do plan on scaling things up in the future but for now this is the hardware I have. That gives you an idea where Im at with things, I have a few questions I havent found an answer to anywhere else. I have a small following of people who are interested in plan 9 and want accounts to do stuff with. I was thinking about using drawterm* for this. What I was wodering was how many people I could reasonably expect to serve out of house with drawterms through my dsl link. Is there some point where network bandwidth gets too high and things are just too latent? Also, Is there a better way to be doing this sort of thing? Most of the people interested dont have spare systems to donate as remote terminals, nor do they have vmware so drawterm seems like the only way to go. On the same topic, suppose a person wanted to get their own terminal going through say a dialup connection, obviously its unreasonable to expect that to startup diskless, I was thinking i could make use of replica to install commonly used things to their local disk, what should i include in the replica (if thats the right approach). Next Ive been noticing that my auth server periodically loses touch with the file server and is unable to run any commands or renegotiate the connection. When at a prompt everything yields "i/o on hungup channel" the only thing ive found is to reboot the auth server. This seems strange to me because the two systems are on the same hub connected through 100megabit ethernet. Is it just from too many collisions, or il not handling it? Can i use aan to ensure a perminant connection? If so how do get it to work on the remotely imported root from bootup? Would adding a cache file system help/resolve the problem? On cached file systems I was thinking of adding some of my smaller 200-500 mb drives to these systems to act as 9fat/cfs/swap. 9fat needs only to be big enough to hold the kernel and plan9.ini etc, but im uncertain of how big to make the cfs and swap partitions. Any thoughts or opinions? Im also confused about how /rc/bin/service works. I understand that all the files there are just shell scripts, but is it 'ok' if i have all my cpu servers looking at the same /rc/bin/service are there any services in there that are specific to the auth server or are all those in service.auth? Are there any services in /rc/bin/service that are best left to just one system to be listening for instead of all the cpu servers? (if im missing something please tell me). What ports should be open for the cpu command (and what do they do?). The manuals say one thing and then the wiki says something slightly different, I dont want to leave a bunch of ports open when i dont have to. As far as authenticating cpu connections Im not sure if I have everything set up right. In order for the command to work I have to set the cpu variable to tcp!cpuserver!cpu, so in my case tcp!ra!cpu (thats correct right?). I looked at the debug output from a cpu command on the cpu server and I noticed that there are a lot of complaints about messages being the wrong size and that it tries to authenticate as the hostowner of the cpu server, then fails and tries the username of who executed the command and finishes the handshaking. Is that what is supposed to happen? Sorry for the long post, one more thing. Is there a way to 're-login' on a terminal without rebooting it? I know you can use auth/login to change the namespace of one window, but is there a way to do it for rio's namespace? Am i better off having everyone reboot or having it log in as a guest account and then running a nested rio as a specific user? Thanks for the help. Andrew From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 13:17:55 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 13:17:55 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10598 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 13:17:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10592 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 13:17:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 13:17:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74398199ED; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 79C5B19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44b45b851b4bde52572c4ef5ec703f86@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: afrayedknot@thefrayedknot.armory.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] setup MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:16:03 -0400 > > Next Ive been noticing that my auth server periodically loses touch with > the file server and is unable to run any commands or renegotiate the > connection. When at a prompt everything yields "i/o on hungup channel" > the only thing ive found is to reboot the auth server. This seems > strange to me because the two systems are on the same hub connected > through 100megabit ethernet. Is it just from too many collisions, or il > not handling it? Can i use aan to ensure a perminant connection? If so > how do get it to work on the remotely imported root from bootup? Would > adding a cache file system help/resolve the problem? The file server won't run aan. However, you shouldn't be getting hung up. I take it the terminal doesn't have these problems? Similar hardware or not? If not, I'ld switch which machine is which and see if it moves with the machine or stays with the auth server. Cron is probably running periodicly on the auth server. Is there any correlation between auth doing something and the connection going south? Is there anything going on when you get hung up? Last but not least, are you on a switch? Do the switch and cpu agree about the line being full duplex or half duplex? Our track record in that department is fuzzy. If a cache file system helps, it will be because you're side stepping the real problem and it'll come back and bit you in the backside. > > Im also confused about how /rc/bin/service works. I understand that > all the files there are just shell scripts, but is it 'ok' if i have > all my cpu servers looking at the same /rc/bin/service are there any > services in there that are specific to the auth server or are all those > in service.auth? Are there any services in /rc/bin/service that are > best left to just one system to be listening for instead of all the cpu > servers? (if im missing something please tell me). We normally run as few services on the auth server as possible. However, since your auth server and cpu server are the same machine... Once you have your n cpu servers, you can scale back the auth server to do just a few things. We normally run them standalone so that they can't easily be hacked because we left something unprotected on the mail file server. /rc/ibin/service.auth has the things that need to run as the hostowner. It contains things that cpu's run (imap4d, pop3, and ssh servers). This should eventually become the null set because of factotum. It also includes the authentication server (il566 and tcp567). This needs to run as hostowner because it needs to access the key database. > > What ports should be open for the cpu command (and what do they do?). The > manuals say one thing and then the wiki says something slightly different, > I dont want to leave a bunch of ports open when i dont have to. As > far as authenticating cpu connections Im not sure if I have everything > set up right. In order for the command to work I have to set the cpu > variable to tcp!cpuserver!cpu, so in my case tcp!ra!cpu (thats correct > right?). I looked at the debug output from a cpu command on the cpu > server and I noticed that there are a lot of complaints about messages > being the wrong size and that it tries to authenticate as the hostowner > of the cpu server, then fails and tries the username of who executed the > command and finishes the handshaking. Is that what is supposed to happen? The cpu command now uses only tcp port 17010/ncpu. 17013 is only for an older version of cpu. 17006 for an older one still. They're both obsolete. If you're running cron, you probably want to leave the rexexec port open also, tcp port 17009/rexexec. Finally, both systemdialing the cpu will have to authenticate to your auth server so it needs to get to tcp port 567 on the auth server. You should be able to just have the variable cpu=ra Or you could just use '-h ra' whenever you run cpu. By adding the !cpu you're trying to connect to an old version cpu server. I'm surprised anything answers at all. Check that your /lib/ndb/common matches what's on sources.cs.bell-labs.com. It could be that you have some odd mix of old and new style cpu clients and servers. I don't understand the short messages unless they're just aborted attempts. Could you send us some examples of the debugging output? > > Sorry for the long post, one more thing. Is there a way to 're-login' > on a terminal without rebooting it? I know you can use auth/login to > change the namespace of one window, but is there a way to do it for rio's > namespace? Am i better off having everyone reboot or having it log in > as a guest account and then running a nested rio as a specific user? no, just reboot. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 15:13:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 15:13:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13818 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 15:13:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13814 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 15:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 15:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66BEB19A0C; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 172E419999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9721 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Sep 2002 06:11:24 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] setup Message-ID: <20020910061124.GA9664@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <44b45b851b4bde52572c4ef5ec703f86@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44b45b851b4bde52572c4ef5ec703f86@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:11:24 -0700 > The file server won't run aan. However, you shouldn't be getting > hung up. I take it the terminal doesn't have these problems? Similar > hardware or not? If not, I'ld switch which machine is which and see if > it moves with the machine or stays with the auth server. The terminal has the same problem and is connected in a different room. all three systems use identical i82557 mini-nics. > > Cron is probably running periodicly on the auth server. Is there any > correlation between auth doing something and the connection going > south? Is there anything going on when you get hung up? cron is actually not running on the system at the moment, I turned it off because mail wasnt set up at the time and I havent gotten around to turning it back on > > Last but not least, are you on a switch? Do the switch and cpu agree > about the line being full duplex or half duplex? Our track record in > that department is fuzzy. the house is on a switch, my room has a hub. The file server and cpu/auth server are connected through my hub (thus avoiding the switch). The terminal is in a different room and therefore, does use the switch. However according to the resident networking guru, the hub should be transparent so long as ieee standards for ethernet and arp are maintained regardless of half or full duplex.. > > If a cache file system helps, it will be because you're side stepping > the real problem and it'll come back and bit you in the backside. > i figured a cache would only avoid the problem for a while, however i was thinking that maybe if all file access doesnt go away the system may be able to reconnect... The last time i made this happen i was connected through 2 ssh links, telnet, ftp and a drawterm. Im pretty baffled by this one. Thanks for your help anyways. > We normally run as few services on the auth server as possible. However, > since your auth server and cpu server are the same machine... Once you > have your n cpu servers, you can scale back the auth server to do just > a few things. We normally run them standalone so that they can't easily > be hacked because we left something unprotected on the mail file server. > /rc/ibin/service.auth has the things that need to run as the hostowner. > It contains things that cpu's run (imap4d, pop3, and ssh servers). This > should eventually become the null set because of factotum. It also includes > the authentication server (il566 and tcp567). This needs to run as > hostowner because it needs to access the key database. so back to my question, I would assume i need a seperate directory (perhaps mapped to the same place) for each type of system? > > > The cpu command now uses only tcp port 17010/ncpu. 17013 is only for an > older version of cpu. 17006 for an older one still. They're both obsolete. > If you're running cron, you probably want to leave the rexexec port open also, > tcp port 17009/rexexec. Finally, both systemdialing the cpu will have to > authenticate to your auth server so it needs to get to tcp port 567 on the auth server. thats a big help, thanks > > You should be able to just have the variable > > cpu=ra > > Or you could just use '-h ra' whenever you run cpu. > By adding the !cpu you're trying to connect to an > old version cpu server. I'm surprised anything answers > at all. Check that your /lib/ndb/common matches what's > on sources.cs.bell-labs.com. It could be that you have > some odd mix of old and new style cpu clients and servers. The original standalone system was a release 4 only machine. It installed from the internet, the file server was populated with the contents of the iso that came with the installation, once the file server was filled I disconnected the drive and rebooted the standalone system as the auth server. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 15:48:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 15:48:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14833 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 15:48:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14827 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 15:48:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 15:48:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2804A19A27; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 55AAC19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 02:46:59 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.194 ([141.154.232.194]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 02:46:58 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] new python posted Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 02:46:55 -0400 the changes i remember: better utf support >>> '☺' '☺' >>> an implementation of the dial(2) routines >>> from plan9 import * >>> dial('tcp!sources.cs.bell-labs.com!9fs') (5, '/net/tcp/51', -1) >>> close(5) None >>> a simulation of sockets above the dial routines >>> import _socket >>> s=_socket.socket() >>> s.connect(('sources.cs.bell-labs.com', 564)) >>> s.close() >>> the socket simulation is minimal but good enough to run the various HTTPServer classes in /sys/lib/python % cd /tmp; python /sys/lib/python/SimpleHTTPServer.py ... the environment doesn't pick up extra nul bytes, supports assignment, and knows about rc-style lists >>> from plan9 import * >>> environ['path'] ['.', '/bin'] >>> environ['path'] = ['.', '/bin', '/tmp'] importing subclasses (subdirectories of /sys/lib/python) works now too. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 22:21:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 22:21:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22735 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 22:21:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22731 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 22:21:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 22:21:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E425619A0C; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3F96019999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:20:29 -0400 Ignore the churn in plan 9 license files. I'm trying to find my way back to what we used to have. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 22:24:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 22:24:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22791 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 22:24:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22787 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 22:24:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 22:24:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5453C19A28; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BBD55199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f0bd64fceb2fac896b8fc5a89559683@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:23:13 +0200 I have the old copy in our worm, if you mean you don't have the previous version ;-) Thanks for such a nice fs :-) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 22:26:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 22:26:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22830 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 22:26:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22826 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 22:26:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 22:26:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5931719A28; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 045A619A33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <514011d970fe4dd4828e7d07270be987@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:25:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's the one thing we don't seem to have backed up. I'ld be happy if you mailed it to us. I'm sure rob has one but he's in Australia and not checking in very often. --upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 09:24:16 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 09:24:15 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDAA819A25; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BBD55199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f0bd64fceb2fac896b8fc5a89559683@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:23:13 +0200 I have the old copy in our worm, if you mean you don't have the previous version ;-) Thanks for such a nice fs :-) --upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 10 23:20:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 10 23:20:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23596 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Sep 2002 23:20:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23592 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 23:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 23:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5833419A27; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1EF819999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17olty-0007KP-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:22:02 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license Message-ID: <20020910142202.GD30051@ragnartech.net> References: <514011d970fe4dd4828e7d07270be987@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <514011d970fe4dd4828e7d07270be987@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:22:02 -0500 Conspiracy!!! -- perl -ne'chomp;$a.=pack"h*",$_;END{print"\n$a\n\n"}'<; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:55:29 -0400 It is indeed. Unfortunately, it seems mostly like a conspiracy to confuse me. Apparently, it doesn't take much conspiring to do that... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 02:10:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 02:10:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25458 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 02:10:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25454 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 02:10:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 02:10:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E9B019A3E; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21403.mail.yahoo.com (web21403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.73]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C9B7419A25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020910170955.76832.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.204.130.251] by web21403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:09:55 PDT From: William Gunnells To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020909131202.15510.51046.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] install libretto 70ct Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Hello! I've been trying to install plan9 on my libretto 70ct. Upon initialization it begins to start rio but drops the connection with this statement. aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb aux/vga: vgactlw: : bad VGA control message "type vga" rio: can't open display: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: no frame buffer init: rc exit status: rc 10: rio 73: display open So I started playing around with the vgadb file but it seems confusing. I reduced the whole file down to a few lines to eliminate confusion on my part and everyone else input. Here it is as follows. ctlr vid=0x102C did=0x00E0 # 65550 HiQVideo 0xC0090="CHIPS 65550 PCI & VL Accelerated VGA BIOS" # NEC Versa 6030X/6200MX 0xE4000="CHIPS 65550" 0xE400H="asdf" link=vga ctlr=hiqvideo linear=1 hwgc=hiqvideohwgc include = 640x480 defaultclock=32 shb=664 ehb=760 ht=800 vrs=491 vre=493 vt=525 vga = 640x480 # 60Hz, 31.5KHz include=640x480 Please confirm if I'm missing anything. I believe these were the only relevent files needed. notice the entry: 0xE4000="CHIPS 65550" and 0xE400H="asdf" I made these entries myself. I think they are correct. I executed aux/vga -ip 640x480x8 >/tmp/x here are the results: aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb main->snarf vga->snarf vga->dump vga misc 67 vga feature 01 vga sequencer 03 01 03 00 02 vga crt 5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 50 9C 0E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F 0C 00 0F 00 00 vga virtual 0 0 vga panning off vga apz 0 vga linear 0 vmf 0 vmdf 32000000 vf1 0 vbw 0 vga->init dbdumpmode type=vga, size=640x480x1 frequency=32000000 x=640 (0x280), y=480 (0x1E0), z=1 (0x1) ht=800 (0x320), shb=664 (0x298), ehb=760 (0x2F8) shs=664 (0x298), ehs=760 (0x2F8) vt=525 (0x20D), vrs=491 (0x1EB), vre=493 (0x1ED) hsync=0, vsync=0, interlace=0 vga->dump vga flag Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf vga misc E3 vga feature 01 vga sequencer 03 01 0F 00 06 vga crt 5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00 1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF vga graphics 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF vga attribute 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 01 FF 0F 00 00 vga virtual 640 480 vga panning off vga apz 0 vga linear 0 main->exits Also I ran debug to verify correct entry for 0xE4000="CHIPS 65550" the results are as follows: -d e400:0 E400:0000 55 AA 60 EB 3F 37 34 30-30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 E400:0010 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 C7-78 01 90 01 30 30 49 42 E400:0020 4D 20 56 47 41 20 43 6F-6D 70 61 74 69 62 6C 65 E400:0030 20 42 49 4F 53 2E 20 34-1A 05 81 00 B2 01 C2 01 E400:0040 D0 01 F6 01 E9 F2 8F 86-D0 D2 E0 E6 40 C2 DC C8 E400:0050 40 A8 CA C6 D0 DC DE D8-DE CE D2 CA E6 58 40 92 E400:0060 DC C6 5C 00 FF 01 50 55-2D 10 92 00 50 55 AD 26 E400:0070 01 00 00 08 19 CD 07 0D-17 01 0A 00 A0 7F 00 47 The bin entry to the right of the hex dump is U.`.? 74000000000 00000000.x...00IB M VGA Compatible BIOS. 4........ ............@... @............X@. ..\...PU-...PU.& ...............G Please let me know what I'm missing. I also already echo hardware accell of just in case this was the problem. William- __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 02:32:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 02:32:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25617 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 02:32:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25613 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 02:32:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 02:32:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68D2319A55; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D37919A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe0562.gh.centurytel.net [209.206.248.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8AHVRMS017616 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 10:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <656ebee741d1d7bfe1befb89ba0e5e23@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:51:14 -0400 > It is indeed. Unfortunately, it seems mostly like a conspiracy > to confuse me. Apparently, it doesn't take much conspiring to do that... Based on the information you provided earlier, my conspiracy theory is that it was a practical joke on all of us by a certain someone who is incommunicado somewhere in the southern hemisphere. ☺☺☺ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 02:33:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 02:33:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25629 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 02:33:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25625 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 02:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 02:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E54CE19A33; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CCC0519A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9bb4cbb2c5c70771ec463668dd4ff9f7@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Eric Grosse To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-cabqzqfpzyoefhkblkrcijtriv" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:32:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-cabqzqfpzyoefhkblkrcijtriv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ; ls -l /n/sourcesdump/2002/^(0801 0901)^/plan9/LICENSE --r--r--r-- M 451316 glenda sys 35389 Apr 14 12:51 /n/sourcesdump/2002/0801/plan9/LICENSE --r--r--r-- M 451316 glenda sys 35802 Aug 20 16:00 /n/sourcesdump/2002/0901/plan9/LICENSE ; diff /n/sourcesdump/2002/^(0801 0901)^/plan9/LICENSE 62,79c62,84 < non-commercial purposes. This grant includes a nonexclusive and < non-transferable license under any patents which Lucent has a right to < license and which, but for this license, are unavoidably and < necessarily infringed by the execution of the inherent functionality < of the Original Software in the form furnished under this Agreement. < Nothing in this Agreement shall be construed as conferring in any way < (by implication, estoppel or otherwise) any license or right under any < existing or future patent claim which is directed to a combination of < the functionality of the Original Software with the functionality of < any other software programs, or a combination of hardware systems < other than the combination of the Original Software and the hardware < or firmware into which the Original Software is loaded. Distribution < of Licensed Software to third parties pursuant to this grant shall be < subject to the same terms and conditions as set forth in this < Agreement, and may, at Your option, include a reasonable charge for < the cost of any media. You may also, at Your option, charge for any < other software, product or service that includes or incorporates the < Original Software as a part thereof. --- > non-commercial purposesas an operating system substantially similar to > functioning Plan 9 software. No right is granted to use, reproduce, > modify, execute, display, perform, distribute or sublicense the > Original Software or any modules or portions thereof as a part of, or > in conjunction with, any other operating system or application. This > grant includes a nonexclusive and non-transferable license under any > patents which Lucent has a right to license and which, but for this > license, are unavoidably and necessarily infringed by the execution of > the inherent functionality of the Original Software in the form > furnished under this Agreement. Nothing in this Agreement shall be > construed as conferring in any way (by implication, estoppel or > otherwise) any license or right under any existing or future patent > claim which is directed to a combination of the functionality of the > Original Software with the functionality of any other software > programs, or a combination of hardware systems other than the > combination of the Original Software and the hardware or firmware into > which the Original Software is loaded. Distribution of Licensed > Software to third parties pursuant to this grant shall be subject to > the same terms and conditions as set forth in this Agreement, and may, > at Your option, include a reasonable charge for the cost of any media. > You may also, at Your option, charge for any other software, product > or service that includes or incorporates the Original Software as a > part thereof. 227,229c232,234 < Modifications, and to grant third parties the right to do so, < including without limitation as a part of or with the Licensed < Software; and Original Contributor and/or other Contributors shall --- > Modifications as a part of an operating system substantially similar > to functioning Plan 9 software, and to grant third parties the right > to do so; and Original Contributor and/or other Contributors shall 231,237c236,243 < such Modifications without notice, obligation or recourse to You. You < grant to Original Contributor, Contributors and their respective < licensees all rights and licenses (including patents) as are necessary < to incorporate the Modifications created or contributed and so < distributed by You into the Licensed Software and to use, distribute < or otherwise exploit such Licensed Software without payment or < accounting to You. --- > such Modifications as a part of an operating system substantially > similar to functioning Plan 9 software without notice, obligation or > recourse to You. You grant to Original Contributor, Contributors and > their respective licensees all rights and licenses (including patents) > as are necessary to incorporate the Modifications created or > contributed and so distributed by You into the Licensed Software and > to use, distribute or otherwise exploit such Licensed Software without > payment or accounting to You. --upas-cabqzqfpzyoefhkblkrcijtriv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com ([135.104.2.10]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 09:26:14 EDT 2002 Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com (dusty.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.7]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8ADQCk39439 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by dusty; Tue Sep 10 09:26:12 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 015C819A33; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 045A619A33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <514011d970fe4dd4828e7d07270be987@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@achille.cs.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:25:21 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's the one thing we don't seem to have backed up. I'ld be happy if you mailed it to us. I'm sure rob has one but he's in Australia and not checking in very often. --upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 09:24:16 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 09:24:15 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDAA819A25; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BBD55199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f0bd64fceb2fac896b8fc5a89559683@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^*%$^ plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:23:13 +0200 I have the old copy in our worm, if you mean you don't have the previous version ;-) Thanks for such a nice fs :-) --upas-kfeptgzbhdrnpirxskbudymszt-- --upas-cabqzqfpzyoefhkblkrcijtriv-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 02:36:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 02:36:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25650 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 02:36:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25646 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 02:36:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 02:36:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1FE2199BC; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 46062199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e9d026d6e93220166ea2ec00098beb1@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Eric Grosse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] I'm also easily confused Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 13:35:34 -0400 I meant to send that only to Presotto, not to 9fans. I'm evidently also easily confused. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 04:22:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 04:22:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26325 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 04:22:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26321 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 04:22:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 04:22:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5807219A3F; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F21C519A3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6546803f004429565d740d65525b51a0@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:21:18 -0400 The version number out there is now 1.3. It should be essentially (modulo dates and version number) what was out there before our slight journey into an alternate reality. I gave it a new version number because there were already two different 1.1's and 1.2's and I want to avoid confusing myself again. My eyes are tearing from trying to read this friggin thing over and over again. If anyone notices more problems, please email me asap. Thanks to everyone for putting up with this, for telling us the intermediate license was unacceptable, and for telling me when version numbers didn't match. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 04:43:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 04:43:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26458 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 04:43:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26454 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 04:43:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 04:43:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99F2419980; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33AA119980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g8AIhBK00754 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:43:11 -0400 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license In-Reply-To: <6546803f004429565d740d65525b51a0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:43:11 -0400 (EDT) > > Thanks to everyone for putting up with this, for telling us the > intermediate license was unacceptable, and for telling me when > version numbers didn't match. > ... and thanks to you and Eric for assuaging the concerns of the 9 crowd ASAP yesterday morning. I had the sinking suspicion over the weekend that we'd eventually hear one of you say, "it says what?" Cheers, Sam From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 08:43:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 08:43:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28131 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28127 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9485E199A3; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8099419A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ouh8-0007kp-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:45:22 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) Message-ID: <20020910234522.GE30051@ragnartech.net> References: <2a65e0b9c7b1a847d1d6baf47d33ab52@collyer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2a65e0b9c7b1a847d1d6baf47d33ab52@collyer.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:45:22 -0500 On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:43:26PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote: > Compiling and cross-compiling are pretty much the same thing on Plan > 9, and there already exists a sparc compiler, so don't get hung up on > the compiler (I'm assuming you can scrounge a PC for Plan 9 at least > temporarily as a place to start from). Which isa does the sparc compiler work for? Was it designed for 32 or 64 bit? microsparc or ultrasparc? peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 08:57:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 08:57:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28344 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 08:57:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28340 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 08:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 08:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E37AF19A0C; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1339919A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12148 invoked by uid 991); 10 Sep 2002 23:56:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20020910235618.12147.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) In-Reply-To: Message from Peter Downs of "Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:45:22 CDT." <20020910234522.GE30051@ragnartech.net> From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:56:18 -0400 | Which isa does the sparc compiler work for? Was it designed for 32 or 64 bit? | microsparc or ultrasparc? 32bit, non-ultra. Plan 9 worked great on ss2 and slc systems. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 09:11:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 09:11:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28633 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 09:11:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28629 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 09:11:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 09:11:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2254D19A58; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nico.bway.net (nico.bway.net [216.220.96.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7B3F199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (port140.coco.dialup.bway.net [66.114.244.140] (may be forged)) by nico.bway.net (8.12.4/8.12.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id g8B0A1SF022134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:10:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: John Packer To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020910234522.GE30051@ragnartech.net> Message-Id: <6FB415BE-C51B-11D6-BA11-000A27AE643E@bway.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:14:28 -0400 It's a sparc v8, 32 bit compiler. It wouldn't support ultrasparc kernels. On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 07:45 PM, Peter Downs wrote: > On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:43:26PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote: >> Compiling and cross-compiling are pretty much the same thing on Plan >> 9, and there already exists a sparc compiler, so don't get hung up on >> the compiler (I'm assuming you can scrounge a PC for Plan 9 at least >> temporarily as a place to start from). > > Which isa does the sparc compiler work for? Was it designed for 32 or > 64 bit? > microsparc or ultrasparc? > > peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 09:14:43 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 09:14:43 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28764 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 09:14:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28746 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 09:14:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 09:14:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C8B519A5A; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E33719A56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ovAw-0007mY-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:16:10 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fileserver hardware question (Sun) Message-ID: <20020911001610.GF30051@ragnartech.net> References: <20020910234522.GE30051@ragnartech.net> <6FB415BE-C51B-11D6-BA11-000A27AE643E@bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6FB415BE-C51B-11D6-BA11-000A27AE643E@bway.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:16:10 -0500 On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 08:14:28PM -0400, John Packer wrote: > It's a sparc v8, 32 bit compiler. It wouldn't support ultrasparc > kernels. So, then, the logical next step is to write a sparcv9 compiler to add to the collection. That work being aside from porting the current plan 9 to microsparc. peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 09:32:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 09:32:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29343 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 09:32:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29339 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 09:32:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 09:32:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8567419A63; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 59BDF19A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] license From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-rdyrajjfdgvxsgskfduosowcih" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:30:08 +0900 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-rdyrajjfdgvxsgskfduosowcih Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I suppose bringing up the subject of licence terms surrounding Alef >won't win me any friends, either :-) Well, if we have no graphic library for Alef, it's not so attracting to me anymore. Thread and draw + control libraries can work now for it. :-) Kenji --upas-rdyrajjfdgvxsgskfduosowcih Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([192.168.1.3]) by diabase; Mon Sep 9 23:49:51 JST 2002 Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.103.2]) by granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08750 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:29:37 +0900 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-02040219) with ESMTP id XAA14690 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:48:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE1EA1998C; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 996F41998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 10:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g89ElEx8018280 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:47:16 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g89ElDpU018279 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:47:13 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] license Message-ID: <20020909164708.C12632@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Eric Grosse on Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:06:49AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:47:08 +0200 On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 09:06:49AM -0400, Eric Grosse wrote: > The license change happened while a number of us were out of town > and we're working to get it reconsidered. Please give us a few > more days to try to straighten this out. > Aren't we in a situation where the licence ('scuse the spelling) is trying to address conflicting objectives? I don't for one moment believe that the users community should dictate the terms of the licence, but perhaps we can isolate portions of the code that Lucent believes ought to be protected and release as much as possible with only OSI-style restrictions. And on that score, I have cartographic (maps, I suppose) that were released under the 2nd Edition licence. Was it licencing or pure practicality that kept the data from being released under 3ed or 4ed? I suppose bringing up the subject of licence terms surrounding Alef won't win me any friends, either :-) ++L --upas-rdyrajjfdgvxsgskfduosowcih-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 10:51:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 10:51:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31989 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 10:51:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31985 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 10:51:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 10:51:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13EA719A5A; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 41F8319A5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0fd93250e847123884dd5109f65b2a40@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bqzwihzvlhgmhmyadcpdhrdmnx" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 10:49:59 +0900 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bqzwihzvlhgmhmyadcpdhrdmnx Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Dave. When I read the LICENSE term on the web site, I scared what happened there, because the contents are completely different from that We've been felt what was Plan 9 community. It seemed to be some of black joke. However, it was written on the formal web site as Plan9's LICENSE term... Anyway, now I can continue my work on Plan 9. Thank you very much. Kenji --upas-bqzwihzvlhgmhmyadcpdhrdmnx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([192.168.1.3]) by diabase; Wed Sep 11 04:24:04 JST 2002 Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.103.2]) by granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA09593 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:03:37 +0900 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-02040219) with ESMTP id EAA04522 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 04:22:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5807219A3F; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F21C519A3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6546803f004429565d740d65525b51a0@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:21:18 -0400 The version number out there is now 1.3. It should be essentially (modulo dates and version number) what was out there before our slight journey into an alternate reality. I gave it a new version number because there were already two different 1.1's and 1.2's and I want to avoid confusing myself again. My eyes are tearing from trying to read this friggin thing over and over again. If anyone notices more problems, please email me asap. Thanks to everyone for putting up with this, for telling us the intermediate license was unacceptable, and for telling me when version numbers didn't match. --upas-bqzwihzvlhgmhmyadcpdhrdmnx-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 12:04:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 12:04:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1810 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 12:04:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1806 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 12:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 12:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4644819A5F; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8834119A33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 51463 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 03:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by 0 with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 03:12:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 03:10:53 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id g8B33Ek106360; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:03:14 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200209110303.g8B33Ek106360@mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] mount file server Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:03:42 0900 Is it possible that a terminal or cpu server mount a file system other than `filsys main' as its root file system? I am building an environment mixed with 3rd and 4th ed, while using a same file server (successfully updated to 4th ed. fs kernel) for both editions. I foolishly booted a 4th ed. terminal from the file server. Of course, it didn't boot because the file system `main' had (and still has) the 3rd edtition contents. Thank you. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 12:13:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 12:13:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2068 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 12:13:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2063 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 12:13:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 12:13:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F009B19A5F; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 946AE19A68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 23:12:26 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.194 ([141.154.232.194]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 23:12:25 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <604dd51b2b8d0085568c0f3fb58a5b0e@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mount file server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:12:30 -0400 > Is it possible that a terminal or cpu server > mount a file system other than `filsys main' > as its root file system? > > I am building an environment mixed with 3rd and 4th ed, > while using a same file server (successfully updated to > 4th ed. fs kernel) for both editions. > > I foolishly booted a 4th ed. terminal from the file server. > Of course, it didn't boot because the file system `main' had > (and still has) the 3rd edtition contents. Yes. You can set rootspec= and rootdir= in your plan9.ini. The defaults are of rootspec='' and rootdir=/root. At boot time, the kernel executes mount /srv/boot /root $rootspec bind $rootdir / Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 13:51:38 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 13:51:38 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4700 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 13:51:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4693 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 13:51:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 13:51:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8514519A6C; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2604A19A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8B4oVx8023965 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:50:32 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8B4oUgo023964 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:50:30 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] license Message-ID: <20020911065029.H23836@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 09:30:08AM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:50:30 +0200 On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 09:30:08AM +0900, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > > Well, if we have no graphic library for Alef, it's not so attracting to me > anymore. Thread and draw + control libraries can work now for it. :-) > It's not quite a chicken-and-egg situation: the licence terms can be established regardless of the existence of libraries, I think. But I will get back to the Alef port before long. I'm just caught up in all sorts of extra-curricular activities presently. After October 1st things ought to be easier. Porting the Alef libraries is not quite at the top of the priority list, but it is pretty high. Lack of clarity on the licence issue drops the priority only a little bit. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 14:26:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 14:26:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5842 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 14:26:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5838 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 14:26:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 14:26:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2C8919A6E; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F28E319A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17p02J-00086b-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:27:35 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020911052735.GA31082@ragnartech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Subject: [9fans] Stuck at PBS... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:27:35 -0500 A system with the via 82c586 chipset, amd k5 pr133, CL-5446 video, and elnk3 (3c509b) is hanging at PBS... with the floppy reading back and forth non stop. Are there any known issues with this via chipset? I even tried swapping floppy drives, with no luck. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 14:44:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 14:44:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6331 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 14:44:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6327 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 14:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 14:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7090A19A70; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B10219A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8B5hix8024096 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:43:46 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8B5hf3e024095 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:43:41 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck at PBS... Message-ID: <20020911074336.M23836@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020911052735.GA31082@ragnartech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <20020911052735.GA31082@ragnartech.net>; from Peter Downs on Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 12:27:35AM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 07:43:37 +0200 On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 12:27:35AM -0500, Peter Downs wrote: > > A system with the via 82c586 chipset, amd k5 pr133, > CL-5446 video, and elnk3 (3c509b) is hanging at > PBS... with the floppy reading back and forth non stop. > I believe that the floppy driver in newer versions of Plan 9 has problems whose nature is beyond my ability to unravel. > I even tried swapping floppy drives, with no luck. If you can install without the floppy (I've never tried), I would suggest running a kernel without the floppy driver. Feedback proving or disproving my theory is welcome. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 11 15:05:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 11 15:05:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6941 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Sep 2002 15:05:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6936 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2002 15:05:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Sep 2002 15:05:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D62EB19A2A; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6EEAC19A64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 02:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17p0eC-00089C-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:06:44 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Stuck at PBS... Message-ID: <20020911060643.GB31082@ragnartech.net> References: <20020911052735.GA31082@ragnartech.net> <20020911074336.M23836@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020911074336.M23836@cackle.proxima.alt.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:06:43 -0500 > I believe that the floppy driver in newer versions of Plan 9 has > problems whose nature is beyond my ability to unravel. Odd, I downloaded the floppy again, wrote a couple of floppies, a couple of times. One of them finally worked. Unfortunately, I can't say if it was the floppy drive on the computer, the drive on the windows box I wrote the disks with, or the disks themselves. Oh well, Glenda is smiling on me now, so. Peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 13:52:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 13:52:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30252 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 13:52:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30248 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 13:52:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 13:52:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9811B199A3; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1538D19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26544 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Sep 2002 04:50:39 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] file server page faulting Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:50:39 -0700 I posted a few days ago with one of my concerns about how my network loses its connections. well the problem is that the file server page faults, crashes and then reboots. So now the question is, why does it page fault? I have tried out the emelie kernel and saragazo. Same problem in both cases. what has been known to do this? Thanks in advance. Andrew From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 15:58:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 15:58:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2055 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 15:58:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2050 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 15:58:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 15:58:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 500AD199A3; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nigel.9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5DBF819992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ajnzlokqvemdyoybxaoniqrvgs" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:57:55 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ajnzlokqvemdyoybxaoniqrvgs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can't say I've ever got a page fault out of 9fs. Plenty of other things. As the kernel does not demand page, page faults should not happen. You are down to hardware or software bugs. A first step would be to reveal the hardware involved. If you have a motherboard with a shared memory vga, for example, then you could be in deep trouble. You can also check where the page fault occurs in case it is at a consistent point in the kernel, which would suggest a software bug. If it wanders around randomly, then it's probably hardware. --upas-ajnzlokqvemdyoybxaoniqrvgs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from 9fs.org ([192.168.100.103]) by 9fs.org; Thu Sep 12 05:52:15 BST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by 9fs.org; Thu Sep 12 05:52:14 BST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 451AB19999; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1538D19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26544 invoked by uid 1000); 12 Sep 2002 04:50:39 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] file server page faulting Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:50:39 -0700 I posted a few days ago with one of my concerns about how my network loses its connections. well the problem is that the file server page faults, crashes and then reboots. So now the question is, why does it page fault? I have tried out the emelie kernel and saragazo. Same problem in both cases. what has been known to do this? Thanks in advance. 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After PBS etc, I get a prompt boot from: _without_ the default. The choices are sdC3 (my cd rom drive) and fd0 (presumably the boot disk image). Neither will work as such, the system wants device!file format. Previous installs only found one boot file and gave a sensible default. What do I enter? Joel From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 20:02:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 20:02:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7989 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 20:02:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7984 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 20:02:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 20:02:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED5CB19999; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 163CD19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17pRIP-0006g4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:34:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Ralph Mellor Message-ID: <3D806046.9080502@dimp.com> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] OSI approval of Plan 9 license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:30:17 GMT As per my recent post to comp.os.plan9, a copy of which is at the end of this email, I'm thinking of asking for the current Plan 9 license to be approved by OSI. Given that I'm just a member of the public, and not the owner of the license, can I do that? If I can, are all relevant parties happy for me to do so? -- ralph PS. If you wish to use my email address, delete the XXX from the start. ===================================== Subject: "Plan 9 teeters on the edge of freeness but... Date: 2002-09-09 03:00:03 PST ...falls howling into the abyss of doom..." [1] (A rather colorful way of saying that the Plan 9 license, as it stood when the statement was made, should not be considered "open source". [2]) Afaict, there was a clear good faith effort at one point to respond to RMS' points and to have the Plan 9 license OKed by the OSI. [3] It seems the license got close. [4] But, for some reason, there was no closure on the process; and at some later date someone at Lucent apparently decided to take the position that Lucent would not subject their licenses to certification by 3rd parties, and this presumably stalled the attempt to modify to meet the needs of the open source community and have it certified by OSI. [5] Is this about right as an assessment? Is there really some fundamental issue that means Plan 9 is destined to never become genuinely open source? Could *I* try to see if I can get the license certified? -- ralph [1] At least, a poster stated as much a couple years ago in: http://tinyurl.com/1chc It looks like the license was subsequently changed in a way that I suspect would have satisfied the quoted poster. But the "teeters on the edge" quote still seems apropos for the reasons stated in the rest of this email. [2] By "open source", I mean as defined by the OSI (http://www.opensource.org/), the body trusted by many hackers to identify what is and is not open source. [3] "Rob Pike has submitted the plan9 license..." (cut/paste next two lines together): http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi? 3:mss:1988:200007:aankcpfkdbioplpjjacb [4] Two lists of issues I found from the FSF and opensource.org web sites were, respectively: RMS' summary of Plan 9 license issues as of Oct 5 2000: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.html John Cowan's summary of Plan 9 license issues as of Aug 20 2000: EITHER full URL (cut/paste next two lines together): http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi? 3:mss:2173:aankcpfkdbioplpjjacb OR short alternate URL: http://tinyurl.com/1ch9 I note several license modifications that appear to be attempts to address many of the key points raised. [5] Apparently there was a "Lucent policy decision" not to pursue license approvals: http://www.crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3:mss:5 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 23:00:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 23:00:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10240 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 23:00:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10236 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 23:00:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:00:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23C12199B6; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from selene.cnice.mecd.es (selene.cnice.mecd.es [195.53.123.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D737319980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.escet.urjc.es (217-124-20-103.dialup.nuria.telefonica-data.net [217.124.20.103]) (authenticated) by selene.cnice.mecd.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8CDwxp18195 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:58:59 +0200 Message-ID: <3D809EE7.A85CDFD7@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: FJ Ballesteros X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [es] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting References: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:04:23 +0200 That happen to me with sargazos before some changes prior to 4th ed fixed(?) my problem. The problem had to do with a very long delay between arp requests and replies, that I think put the ether driver into throuble. Andrew ha escrito: > > I posted a few days ago with one of my concerns about how my network > loses its connections. well the problem is that the file server page > faults, crashes and then reboots. So now the question is, why does it > page fault? I have tried out the emelie kernel and saragazo. Same problem > in both cases. what has been known to do this? > > Thanks in advance. > > Andrew From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 23:05:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 23:05:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10328 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 23:05:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10324 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 23:05:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:05:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0A26199BC; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.swlocal (unknown [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EA0BD19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:04:35 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.52.01.1) id 3511325137; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:04:26 +0100 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3511325137@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3511325137-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] rc - how to... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:03:12 +0100 Hi, I like rc's language very much, but, I cannot work out how to read a series of words from a slow running program, for example: for ( file in `{du /} ) echo $file(1) This runs the du and then processes the output of it. I want to read du's output a line at a time so I get dataflow and see the output of each line as they are processed. I would use the read(1) command in Bourne shell but cannot see an equivalent in rc. Anyone help? Thanks, -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 23:11:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 23:11:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10406 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 23:11:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10402 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 23:11:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:11:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB1D8199BC; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 901F5199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc - how to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:10:58 -0400 du / | while(file=`{read}) echo $file Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 23:15:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 23:15:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10465 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 23:15:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10461 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 23:15:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:15:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 095D0199E8; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EDE9C199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0db668bb5b0feab5b22406dadae8087f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot from: in install MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:14:01 -0400 Try sdC3!cdboot!9pccd.gz Do you really have four primary IDE drives? How did you pull that off? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 12 23:35:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 12 23:35:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10662 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Sep 2002 23:35:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10658 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 23:35:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 23:35:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF5011999B; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1D431199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35d1a51a345858e759eea904502ce78e@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc - how to... From: rog@vitanuova.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:42:38 +0100 > du / | while(file=`{read}) > echo $file it's probably worth mentioning that this is really quite slow, as the read command is unable to do any IO buffering, must read one character at a time, and is reloaded on every line of input: on my machine, while (file=`{read}) {} exececutes about 85 lines a second, whereas a simple xargs-like program processes about 4300. this could be quite significant if you're using to process output from du (what was viable in the old bourne shell with du . | while read x do something with $x done is not necessarily fast enough in the rc equivalent) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 04:37:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 04:37:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13091 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 04:37:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13087 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 04:37:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 04:37:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B8CA199A3; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7A2E1199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] time warp Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:28:13 +0100 i got the diagnostic boot...#c bad time control just now and my terminal ended up in 1970 because the file server's time had jumped to 2079 as shown by `date' on its console (or back to 1961 for ls -l on recently touched log files). i've reset the file server's time, and it seems all right. i'm not sure how it happened, or indeed when, but i mention it in case it turns up elsewhere. i suppose if i'd left it the dump dates would have been unusual. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 07:49:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 07:49:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14213 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 07:49:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14209 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 07:49:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 07:49:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1754199EC; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4F811999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA08776 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:48:17 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host 80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17pckU-0000G6-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:47:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15745.6545.61003.270952@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 21.2.1 Subject: [9fans] sis630 driver Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:47:45 +0200 I have a (more or less, read below) working version of the driver for the sis630 chipset. It is not finished yet, but I have to stop developing it for more than a month because of exams, so if anyone is interested in using it as it is, drop me a line and I will send the sources. By the way, does anyone have a sis card which is not the sis630?. What about other bridges which are not the LVDS?. If you are interested in my driver supporting them also (when I continue (re)writing it) tell me. - The driver works at 800x600 8bpp - Just with 64Mb of videoram (it should work with any other amount, but is not tested, so if there aren't 64Mb I give an error. Comment out at your own risk. (and tell me the results :-)) - Just on the crt1 (in my laptop that is the external vga plug). - Works just for sis630+LVDS bridge (but I have just disabled the bridge, so it would be easy to make it work for any other). - It has the modeline monitor = 800x600 defaultclock=49.5 shb=601 ehb=604 ht=625 vrs=816 vre=896 vt=1056 hsync=+ vsync=+ hardwired in it. - The accel doesn't work (though the code is half written, and it will be the first thing i finish.). And the code is ugly, ugly... It is my first driver, so don't be too tough :-). -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 13:13:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 13:13:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22511 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 13:13:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22507 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 13:13:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 13:13:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F7B0199BE; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cosym.net (peter.sys.9srv.net [64.7.3.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 348F61999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:12:16 -0400 (EDT) From: anothy@cosym.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020913041216.348F61999B@mail.cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:07:58 -0400 there was work done on getting IL and 9p working inside FreeBSD. what is the current status of this work, particularly the 9p half? i believe it was from dong lin at the labs, but i've been unable to find info on it. is it - in any state - generally available? which 9p was it? i've some interest in getting it working in some other BSD-derived OS, with the current 9p, and can put in a reasonable amount of time to get there, but it'd be nice to have whatever already exists. ã‚¢ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 14:30:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 14:30:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24505 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 14:30:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24501 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 14:30:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 14:30:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5012F19981; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 612D319988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <54e7962c0f199b095b711d14898dbee0@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:28:42 -0700 The copy in /sys/src/cmd/unix/9pfreebsd was done for FreeBSD 3.2, which is pretty old now. But with IL being phased out, you might not need kernel mods at all. Using the NFS/vfs/vnode goo, you can probably write a user-mode file server that talks 9P to the remote server and NFS/vfs/vnode goo to the local client(s). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 15:38:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 15:38:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26416 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 15:38:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26412 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 15:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 15:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53B73199B6; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6236E19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weyl.math.psu.edu (weyl.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.226]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14809 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (viro@localhost) by weyl.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17070 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:37:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: weyl.math.psu.edu: viro owned process doing -bs From: Alexander Viro To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work In-Reply-To: <54e7962c0f199b095b711d14898dbee0@collyer.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:37:47 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Geoff Collyer wrote: > The copy in /sys/src/cmd/unix/9pfreebsd was done for FreeBSD 3.2, > which is pretty old now. But with IL being phased out, you might not > need kernel mods at all. Using the NFS/vfs/vnode goo, you can > probably write a user-mode file server that talks 9P to the remote > server and NFS/vfs/vnode goo to the local client(s). Not really - NFS semantics doesn't match 9p and writing a protocol translator of that sort will be rather painful. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 15:42:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 15:42:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26520 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 15:42:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26516 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 15:42:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 15:42:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 28DB7199B7; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 34B1F199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:41:19 -0700 I say "NFS/vfs/vnode" because the edges of those things have always seemed blurry, but it's not essential to use NFS. Is the vnode or VFS machinery really not sufficiently general to handle file system protocols other than NFS? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 16:30:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 16:30:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27871 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 16:30:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27866 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 16:30:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 16:30:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD318199BC; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 153AB19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weyl.math.psu.edu (weyl.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.226]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21072 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (viro@localhost) by weyl.math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA17173 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:29:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: weyl.math.psu.edu: viro owned process doing -bs From: Alexander Viro To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:29:05 -0400 (EDT) On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Geoff Collyer wrote: > I say "NFS/vfs/vnode" because the edges of those things have always > seemed blurry, but it's not essential to use NFS. Is the vnode or VFS > machinery really not sufficiently general to handle file system > protocols other than NFS? VFS is kernel mechanism - think of it as an equivalent of chan.c and friends. Filesystems provide methods; VFS calls them. And that's normal function calls. It doesn't know anything about any protocols - that stuff belongs to filesystem. Notice that in Plan 9 _all_ userland filesystems are the same as far as kernel is concerned - it's #m. devmnt.c is just one of the kernel filesystems and the fact that its implementation of methods happens to talk 9P is its private business. The rest of kernel doesn't know or care about that. To get 9P on FreeBSD you either need to provide a kernel filesystem a-la devmnt.c or take existing kernel filesystem that would happen to talk to userland and do protocol translation in userland. In either variant VFS will call (kernel) filesystem methods; then filesystem will either talk 9P directly or talk some other protocol and have userland process translate it into 9P. The former requires writing a kernel fs. The latter requires choosing a protocol used by one of existing kernel filesystems and translating between it and 9P. AFAICS that will be messy for all such protocols - none of them matches 9P well enough. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 17:02:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 17:02:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28672 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 17:02:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28668 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 17:02:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 17:02:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F864199B6; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 85F9819988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <531b9b8ab78014b01db61629fece8281@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc - how to... From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-youonngozjkdotqebefbgrnkug" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:01:50 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-youonngozjkdotqebefbgrnkug Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of the times I wanted to do "while read { x }" I could rewrite it to be "sed 's/^/x /' | rc", which works like a charm. --upas-youonngozjkdotqebefbgrnkug Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Thu Sep 12 16:35:21 MDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF5011999B; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1D431199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35d1a51a345858e759eea904502ce78e@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc - how to... From: rog@vitanuova.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:42:38 +0100 > du / | while(file=`{read}) > echo $file it's probably worth mentioning that this is really quite slow, as the read command is unable to do any IO buffering, must read one character at a time, and is reloaded on every line of input: on my machine, while (file=`{read}) {} exececutes about 85 lines a second, whereas a simple xargs-like program processes about 4300. this could be quite significant if you're using to process output from du (what was viable in the old bourne shell with du . | while read x do something with $x done is not necessarily fast enough in the rc equivalent) --upas-youonngozjkdotqebefbgrnkug-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 17:45:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 17:45:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29649 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 17:45:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29645 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 17:45:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 17:45:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DB511999B; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nigel.9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 93ED819981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44fc12ee1e1f4aee001c97119baec205@9fs.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:44:24 +0100 > The former requires writing a kernel fs. The latter requires choosing > a protocol used by one of existing kernel filesystems and translating > between it and 9P. AFAICS that will be messy for all such protocols - > none of them matches 9P well enough. I entirely agree with this. The main userland filesystem in FreeBSD is (I think) a compression filesystem. It works by interpreting NFS protocol. This is too awful to contemplate, so a VFS is the only clear way ahead. Unfortunately, the existing implementation bears little relationship to current FreeBSD vfs interfaces, and has other limitations which suggest starting over is the only option. And that's where I stop. There is no documentation for the vfs/vnode interface. The code is not much help, and the only book on the subject is sufficiently out of date that it would not be much help either. I'd rather push at a door with stiff hinges, than one that's nailed shut, so I never quite get desperate enough to do the work. You can't help thinking "now if this kernel had a nice simple file protocol I could transcode into 9p it would be easy" and then you realise the only nice simple file protocol IS 9p. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 18:42:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 18:42:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31138 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 18:42:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31134 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 18:42:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 18:42:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9073199A3; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from theraft.strakt.com (theraft.strakt.com [62.13.29.34]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CA9919995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from strakt.com (boyd@zode.strakt.com [62.13.29.39]) by theraft.strakt.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g8D9fHkk011947 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:41:17 +0200 Message-ID: <3D81B2BD.9010403@strakt.com> From: Boyd Roberts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:41:17 +0200 Geoff Collyer wrote: > Is the vnode or VFS machinery really not sufficiently > general to handle file system protocols other than NFS? The VFS layer should be general enough to implement 9p, whereas the NFS layer is not. NFS has no close operation which would really cause you problems with 9p. I once wrote a version of ftpfs which ran as an NFS user mode server. It worked, but was an extremely ugly thing. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 21:15:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 21:15:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 745 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 21:15:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 741 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 21:15:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 21:15:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0704F199B7; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40AD9199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8DCDBe10921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:13:40 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] boot from: in install In-Reply-To: <0db668bb5b0feab5b22406dadae8087f@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:13:10 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > Try > > sdC3!cdboot!9pccd.gz > > Do you really have four primary IDE drives? > How did you pull that off? I have a Soryu Dragon mbrd. that has 4 EIDE ctllrs. Very nice mbrd. Haven't gotten around to Plan 9 on it yet...Win & Linux work fine. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 21:30:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 21:30:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 914 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 21:30:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 910 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 21:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 21:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBE40199BE; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 63D8B199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0b178995da5f433dc8197d24e99aad41@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot from: in install MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:29:26 -0400 If you had four IDE controllers, they'd be named sdC, sdD, sdE, and sdF. That's different from having four drives on the first controller, which is how you get up to sdC3. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 22:42:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 22:42:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1935 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 22:42:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1931 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 22:42:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 22:42:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD440199E4; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3E08A19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc - how to... From: rog@vitanuova.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:50:01 +0100 > Most of the times I wanted to do "while read { x }" I could > rewrite it to be "sed 's/^/x /' | rc", which works like a charm. ...until your input contains ";rm -rf *"... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 13 23:11:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 13 23:11:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2304 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Sep 2002 23:11:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2300 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 23:11:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 23:11:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61411199D5; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4AFCF199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4b18fee62c881bde79af19a33ac1b46a@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rc - how to... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:09:56 +0200 If the input contains '; rm -rf *', I go and kill the user (not the process). In a finite number of steps you get good input files. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 00:04:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 00:04:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2905 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 00:04:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2901 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 00:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 00:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B4D0199E8; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3617C19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19356 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 15:01:56 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020913150156.GA19342@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:01:56 -0700 On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 07:57:55AM +0100, nigel@9fs.org wrote: > Can't say I've ever got a page fault out of 9fs. Plenty of other > things. > > As the kernel does not demand page, page faults should not happen. > You are down to hardware or software bugs. A first step would be > to reveal the hardware involved. If you have a motherboard with > a shared memory vga, for example, then you could be in deep trouble. > You can also check where the page fault occurs in case it is at a > consistent point in the kernel, which would suggest a software bug. > If it wanders around randomly, then it's probably hardware. the hardware is an older pentium (90?) it has 40 mb of ram with integrated s3 video and uses a symbios scsi adapter with a 2.5gb hard drive. No dump media is attached. The ethernet card is a i82557 mini-nic. I can make this happen by usually accessing lots and lotsof data. For example if i cat /dev/zero into a file then cat it back out a couple of times it usually breaks. I swapped the scsi setup into another system (my terminal actually), which does not have an integrated video controller and the same type of nic. It had the same problem. The crash is known to happen seemingly sporadically also. is it worth reinstalling onto ide drives? I can backup all my changes fairly easily. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 00:07:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 00:07:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2950 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 00:07:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2946 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 00:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 00:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CB6219980; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6A99B19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:06:49 +0200 Have you tried using a different ether card? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 00:15:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 00:15:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3070 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 00:15:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3066 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 00:15:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 00:15:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FE38199EC; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nigel.9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0BDD719988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:14:04 +0100 > the hardware is an older pentium (90?) it has 40 mb of ram with integrated > s3 video and uses a symbios scsi adapter with a 2.5gb hard drive. No > dump media is attached. The ethernet card is a i82557 mini-nic. I can > make this happen by usually accessing lots and lotsof data. For example > if i cat /dev/zero into a file then cat it back out a couple of times > it usually breaks. I swapped the scsi setup into another system (my > terminal actually), which does not have an integrated video controller > and the same type of nic. It had the same problem. The crash is known > to happen seemingly sporadically also. > > is it worth reinstalling onto ide drives? I can backup all my changes > fairly easily. It may be. When it breaks, what is the address it happens at? When you say integrated S3 do you mean in the chip set? Does it used shared memory? The possible issues here are 1. the S3 is sharing the memory; there is no allowance for this, and when the buffer cache meets the frame buffer horrible things happen 2. which symbios controller? check that the PCI bus specs. match, as older symbios controllers don't work on newer PCI busses If it is the scsi controller, and the bus specs. match, then I get more interested, having written the symbios driver. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 00:25:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 00:25:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3212 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 00:25:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3208 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E805199F2; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 91FA5199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19434 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 15:23:48 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020913152348.GA19419@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:23:48 -0700 On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 04:14:04PM +0100, nigel@9fs.org wrote: > > the hardware is an older pentium (90?) it has 40 mb of ram with integrated > > s3 video and uses a symbios scsi adapter with a 2.5gb hard drive. No > > dump media is attached. The ethernet card is a i82557 mini-nic. I can > > make this happen by usually accessing lots and lotsof data. For example > > if i cat /dev/zero into a file then cat it back out a couple of times > > it usually breaks. I swapped the scsi setup into another system (my > > terminal actually), which does not have an integrated video controller > > and the same type of nic. It had the same problem. The crash is known > > to happen seemingly sporadically also. > > > > is it worth reinstalling onto ide drives? I can backup all my changes > > fairly easily. > > It may be. When it breaks, what is the address it happens at? > When you say integrated S3 do you mean in the chip set? Does it used > shared memory? i will try and get the address. > > The possible issues here are > > 1. the S3 is sharing the memory; there is no allowance for this, and > when the buffer cache meets the frame buffer horrible things happen the reason i doubt this is that i get the same results on a different machine that does not have an integrated controller, it has an isa video card of trident genre so i doubt that the memory is shared between those two. > > 2. which symbios controller? check that the PCI bus specs. match, as > older symbios controllers don't work on newer PCI busses it is a fairly new, working, symbios controller I am 99% certain it is the one specified in the supported hardware section. i will check when i get home from work. but i believe its listed as scsi0=type=ncr53c8xx in the plan9.ini file. > > If it is the scsi controller, and the bus specs. match, then I get more > interested, having written the symbios driver. > Im planning on putting the scsi setup in one of my linux machines and seeing what happens if i cat the whole drive out. That way if theres any blocks that its having trouble with i can find out. thanks for your help. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 00:30:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 00:30:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3324 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 00:30:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3320 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 00:30:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 00:30:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C248619A04; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 09E3A19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19447 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 15:28:53 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020913152853.GB19419@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:28:53 -0700 On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 05:06:49PM +0200, Fco. J. Ballesteros wrote: > Have you tried using a different ether card? i will, the unfortunate thing is, i am short on 100mbit ethernet cards, except for those type or nics (of which i have 25-30). but as a debugging exercise I will see if things change. should i change the nics in the cpu/auth server as well? ive been able to load it pretty heavily and not have any problems. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 00:39:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 00:39:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3445 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 00:39:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3441 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 00:39:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 00:39:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B3C219A06; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nigel.9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EDCA719988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ihwtlgkvqeowmbnqnpdesuoitx" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:37:34 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ihwtlgkvqeowmbnqnpdesuoitx Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It really ought not to page fault for a bad block. The file server driver certainly recovers from bad block accesses, as I saw quite a few on my server this summer. Unfortunately, as my fake worm filled up, I have pulled the scsi drives from the server, replacing them with IDE as the prices make it prohibitive to work any other way. 70Gb SCSI drives are £450 +VAT here, whereas 80GB IDE are <£80 +VAT. You can mirror the drives and still spend less than half for the same capacity. I still have SCSI in my terminal. However, there are compatibility problems between 53c8xx chips and PCI busses, which is nothing to do with Plan 9. I certainly found that old controllers (53c810s) did not work reliabuly in PCI 2.1 busses; bus faults I think. I guess that the same issues could exist with a new controller and an old motherboard, but I don't have any old motherboards any more. It is certainly supported hardware, but only if the hardware is plugged into a compatible socket. --upas-ihwtlgkvqeowmbnqnpdesuoitx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from 9fs.org ([192.168.100.103]) by 9fs.org; Fri Sep 13 16:25:14 BST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by 9fs.org; Fri Sep 13 16:25:13 BST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B459199B7; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 91FA5199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19434 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 15:23:48 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020913152348.GA19419@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:23:48 -0700 On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 04:14:04PM +0100, nigel@9fs.org wrote: > > the hardware is an older pentium (90?) it has 40 mb of ram with integrated > > s3 video and uses a symbios scsi adapter with a 2.5gb hard drive. No > > dump media is attached. The ethernet card is a i82557 mini-nic. I can > > make this happen by usually accessing lots and lotsof data. For example > > if i cat /dev/zero into a file then cat it back out a couple of times > > it usually breaks. I swapped the scsi setup into another system (my > > terminal actually), which does not have an integrated video controller > > and the same type of nic. It had the same problem. The crash is known > > to happen seemingly sporadically also. > > > > is it worth reinstalling onto ide drives? I can backup all my changes > > fairly easily. > > It may be. When it breaks, what is the address it happens at? > When you say integrated S3 do you mean in the chip set? Does it used > shared memory? i will try and get the address. > > The possible issues here are > > 1. the S3 is sharing the memory; there is no allowance for this, and > when the buffer cache meets the frame buffer horrible things happen the reason i doubt this is that i get the same results on a different machine that does not have an integrated controller, it has an isa video card of trident genre so i doubt that the memory is shared between those two. > > 2. which symbios controller? check that the PCI bus specs. match, as > older symbios controllers don't work on newer PCI busses it is a fairly new, working, symbios controller I am 99% certain it is the one specified in the supported hardware section. i will check when i get home from work. but i believe its listed as scsi0=type=ncr53c8xx in the plan9.ini file. > > If it is the scsi controller, and the bus specs. match, then I get more > interested, having written the symbios driver. > Im planning on putting the scsi setup in one of my linux machines and seeing what happens if i cat the whole drive out. That way if theres any blocks that its having trouble with i can find out. thanks for your help. --upas-ihwtlgkvqeowmbnqnpdesuoitx-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 00:58:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 00:58:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3601 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 00:58:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3597 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 00:58:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 00:58:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B962119981; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 12B5419A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:57:02 +0200 Unfortunatelly, the problem dissapeared here before I could trace it, and I've not been able to reproduce it. In may case, I ended up thinking that the problem was due to a race condition in the ether driver that did show up for arp frames that were *s l o w* to be replied. I'd say you could try just replacing the fs card and see what happens. If the problem terminates, then it would mean that it was the race and that it's still there (and I could try to fix it, with your help). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 01:39:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 01:39:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3979 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 01:39:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3975 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 01:39:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 01:39:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9508E19980; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B0E4419988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19539 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 16:37:43 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020913163743.GA19527@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 09:37:43 -0700 On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 04:37:34PM +0100, nigel@9fs.org wrote: > It really ought not to page fault for a bad block. The file server > driver certainly recovers from bad block accesses, as I saw > quite a few on my server this summer. Unfortunately, as my > fake worm filled up, I have pulled the scsi drives from the server, > replacing them with IDE as the prices make it prohibitive to > work any other way. 70Gb SCSI drives are ??450 +VAT here, > whereas 80GB IDE are and still spend less than half for the same capacity. > > I still have SCSI in my terminal. > > However, there are compatibility problems between 53c8xx > chips and PCI busses, which is nothing to do with Plan 9. I > certainly found that old controllers (53c810s) did not > work reliabuly in PCI 2.1 busses; bus faults I think. I guess > that the same issues could exist with a new controller and > an old motherboard, but I don't have any old motherboards > any more. > > It is certainly supported hardware, but only if the hardware > is plugged into a compatible socket. one more point of interest: when i first went to setup the file server i had two drives on the scsi bus and i tried to have them both interleave as the main drive (i followed the wiki's instructions). When I went to do a replica it would always crash. if you are interested I can send send the hardware to you for you to work on, i have no shortage of machines (just scsi interfaces). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 04:51:47 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 04:51:47 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5408 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 04:51:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5404 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 04:51:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 04:51:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8840D19A04; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21408.mail.yahoo.com (web21408.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 509A8199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020913195002.53869.qmail@web21408.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.204.130.251] by web21408.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:50:02 PDT From: William Gunnells To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020912160003.27268.89675.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] help connect a terminal to kfs or Standalone CPU Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:50:02 -0700 (PDT) Having trouble getting a terminal to connect to Standalone CPU. Used wiki resource but still no luck. This is the error I receive: authentication failed (auth_proxy rpc write ::connection rejected), trying mount anyways boot: /: attach -- unknown user or failed authentication Then the system just cycles through and reboots... Also used disk/kfscmd chat. I think its a ticket problem. Not sure how to correct it. Maybe I have something set up wrong. Here are my configs #!/bin/rc echo -n cpu > /env/service date > /env/boottime # replace FILESERVER with the name of your file server # here we start with kfs, your local disk file system fileserver=kfs # replace FACEDOM with the local domain to be used in the faces database facedom=FACEDOM for (i in '#m' '#i' '#S' '#t') bind -a $i /dev >/dev/null >[2]/dev/null ip/ipconfig -g 192.168.0.1 ether /net/ether0 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.0 # name translation, cs sets /dev/sysname ndb/cs sysname=`{cat /dev/sysname} sysname=kfs ndb/dns -r # parallelism for mk NPROC=`{wc -l /dev/sysstat} NPROC=`{echo $NPROC|sed 's/ .*//'} prompt=($sysname^'# ' ' ') # pick a timeserver closer to you when you can or we'll get clogged #aux/timesync plan9.bell-labs.com # uncomment the following for booting other systems ip/dhcpd ip/tftpd # If you are on an auth server, start these before listening: # auth/keyfs -wp -m /mnt/keys /adm/keys >/dev/null >[2=1] auth/cron >>/sys/log/cron >[2=1] & # # also rename some files: # # if(! test -e /rc/bin/service.auth/il566){ # mv /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.il566 /rc/bin/service.auth/il566 # mv /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.tcp567 /rc/bin/service.auth/tcp567 # mv /rc/bin/service/il566 /rc/bin/service/_il566 # mv /rc/bin/service/tcp567 /rc/bin/service/_tcp567 # } # for standalone cpu only disk/kfscmd 'listen il!*!17008' # services available to networks aux/listen -q -d /rc/bin/service.auth -t /rc/bin/service il aux/listen -q -d /rc/bin/service.auth -t /rc/bin/service tcp and local database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common ipnet=myipnet ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=192.168.0.1 auth=kfs proto=il ip=192.168.0.2 ether=00c04f182de5 sys=kfs bootf=/386/9pcauth proto=il ip=192.168.0.3 ether=009027626acc sys=term bootf=/386/9pc proto=il __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 05:45:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 05:45:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5781 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 05:45:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5777 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 05:45:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 05:45:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7D3C19980; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 268BF19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 13 16:44:43 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.194 ([141.154.232.194]) by plan9; Fri Sep 13 16:44:42 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <3a9aa271c31a53ec4d3778370b5caa11@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] help connect a terminal to kfs or Standalone CPU From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:44:41 -0400 did you rename the auth files as directed in cpurc? can you connect to the auth server using con -l 'tcp!$auth!ticket' (ctl-\, q will quit) ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 07:54:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 07:54:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6616 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 07:54:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6612 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 07:54:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 07:54:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1F1C19992; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cnm-vra.com (cnm-vra.com [209.76.64.46]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD11A19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from micah by cnm-vra.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17pzJH-0003JE-00; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:53:11 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] neomagic acceleration Message-ID: <20020913155311.C12525@cnm-vra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i From: Micah Stetson Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:53:11 -0700 --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline With the help of Russ's userlevel scaffolding, I've gotten hardware acceleration to work on my NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD (IBM Thinkpad 600). I'm not sure if it works with other neomagic chipsets (although the drivers I looked at seemed to indicate so) and it doesn't work at 24 bpp, but for my purposes, it's complete. Anyway, here's the changed vganeomagic.c. Micah --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/x-csrc; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vganeomagic.c" #include "u.h" #include "../port/lib.h" #include "mem.h" #include "dat.h" #include "fns.h" #include "io.h" #include "../port/error.h" #define Image IMAGE #include #include #include #include "screen.h" typedef struct { int enable; int x; int y; int colour1; int colour2; int addr; } CursorNM; static ulong neomagiclinear(VGAscr* scr, int* size, int* align) { ulong aperture, oaperture; int oapsize, wasupamem; Pcidev *p; oaperture = scr->aperture; oapsize = scr->apsize; wasupamem = scr->isupamem; aperture = 0; if(p = pcimatch(nil, 0x10C8, 0)){ switch(p->did){ case 0x0004: /* MagicGraph 128XD */ case 0x0005: /* MagicMedia 256AV */ case 0x0006: /* MagicMedia 256ZX */ aperture = p->mem[0].bar & ~0x0F; *size = p->mem[0].size; break; default: break; } } if(wasupamem){ if(oaperture == aperture) return oaperture; upafree(oaperture, oapsize); } scr->isupamem = 0; aperture = upamalloc(aperture, *size, *align); if(aperture == 0){ if(wasupamem && upamalloc(oaperture, oapsize, 0)){ aperture = oaperture; scr->isupamem = 1; } else scr->isupamem = 0; } else scr->isupamem = 1; return aperture; } static void neomagicenable(VGAscr* scr) { Pcidev *p; int align, curoff, size, vmsize; ulong aperture; /* * Only once, can't be disabled for now. * scr->io holds the physical address of the cursor registers * in the MMIO space. This may need to change for older chips * which have the MMIO space offset in the framebuffer region. */ if(scr->io) return; if(p = pcimatch(nil, 0x10C8, 0)){ switch(p->did){ case 0x0004: /* MagicGraph 128XD */ curoff = 0x100; vmsize = 2048*1024; break; case 0x0005: /* MagicMedia 256AV */ curoff = 0x1000; vmsize = 2560*1024; break; case 0x0006: /* MagicMedia 256ZX */ curoff = 0x1000; vmsize = 4096*1024; break; default: return; } } else return; scr->io = upamalloc(p->mem[1].bar & ~0x0F, p->mem[1].size, 0); if(scr->io == 0) return; addvgaseg("neomagicmmio", scr->io, p->mem[1].size); scr->mmio = KADDR(scr->io); /* * Find a place for the cursor data in display memory. * 2 cursor images might be needed, 1KB each so use the * last 2KB of the framebuffer. */ scr->storage = vmsize-2*1024; scr->io += curoff; size = p->mem[0].size; align = 0; aperture = neomagiclinear(scr, &size, &align); if(aperture) { scr->aperture = aperture; scr->apsize = size; addvgaseg("neomagicscreen", aperture, size); } } static void neomagiccurdisable(VGAscr* scr) { CursorNM *cursornm; if(scr->io == 0) return; cursornm = KADDR(scr->io); cursornm->enable = 0; } static void neomagicinitcursor(VGAscr* scr, int xo, int yo, int index) { uchar *p; uint p0, p1; int x, y; p = KADDR(scr->aperture); p += scr->storage + index*1024; for(y = yo; y < 16; y++){ p0 = scr->set[2*y]; p1 = scr->set[2*y+1]; if(xo){ p0 = (p0<>(8-xo)); p1 <<= xo; } *p++ = p0; *p++ = p1; for(x = 16; x < 64; x += 8) *p++ = 0x00; p0 = scr->clr[2*y]|scr->set[2*y]; p1 = scr->clr[2*y+1]|scr->set[2*y+1]; if(xo){ p0 = (p0<>(8-xo)); p1 <<= xo; } *p++ = p0; *p++ = p1; for(x = 16; x < 64; x += 8) *p++ = 0x00; } while(y < 64+yo){ for(x = 0; x < 64; x += 8){ *p++ = 0x00; *p++ = 0x00; } y++; } } static void neomagiccurload(VGAscr* scr, Cursor* curs) { CursorNM *cursornm; if(scr->io == 0) return; cursornm = KADDR(scr->io); cursornm->enable = 0; memmove(&scr->Cursor, curs, sizeof(Cursor)); neomagicinitcursor(scr, 0, 0, 0); cursornm->enable = 1; } static int neomagiccurmove(VGAscr* scr, Point p) { CursorNM *cursornm; int addr, index, x, xo, y, yo; if(scr->io == 0) return 1; cursornm = KADDR(scr->io); index = 0; if((x = p.x+scr->offset.x) < 0){ xo = -x; x = 0; } else xo = 0; if((y = p.y+scr->offset.y) < 0){ yo = -y; y = 0; } else yo = 0; if(xo || yo){ index = 1; neomagicinitcursor(scr, xo, yo, index); } addr = ((scr->storage+(1024*index))>>10) & 0xFFF; addr = ((addr & 0x00F)<<8)|((addr>>4) & 0xFF); if(cursornm->addr != addr) cursornm->addr = addr; cursornm->x = x; cursornm->y = y; return 0; } static void neomagiccurenable(VGAscr* scr) { CursorNM *cursornm; neomagicenable(scr); if(scr->io == 0) return; cursornm = KADDR(scr->io); cursornm->enable = 0; /* * Cursor colours. */ cursornm->colour1 = (Pblack<<16)|(Pblack<<8)|Pblack; cursornm->colour2 = (Pwhite<<16)|(Pwhite<<8)|Pwhite; /* * Load, locate and enable the 64x64 cursor. */ neomagiccurload(scr, &arrow); neomagiccurmove(scr, ZP); cursornm->enable = 1; } static int neomagicbltflags; /* registers */ enum { BltStat = 0, BltCntl = 1, XPColor = 2, FGColor = 3, BGColor = 4, Pitch = 5, ClipLT = 6, ClipRB = 7, SrcBitOff = 8, SrcStartOff = 9, DstStartOff = 11, XYExt = 12, PageCntl = 20, PageBase, PostBase, PostPtr, DataPtr, }; /* flags */ enum { NEO_BS0_BLT_BUSY = 0x00000001, NEO_BS0_FIFO_AVAIL = 0x00000002, NEO_BS0_FIFO_PEND = 0x00000004, NEO_BC0_DST_Y_DEC = 0x00000001, NEO_BC0_X_DEC = 0x00000002, NEO_BC0_SRC_TRANS = 0x00000004, NEO_BC0_SRC_IS_FG = 0x00000008, NEO_BC0_SRC_Y_DEC = 0x00000010, NEO_BC0_FILL_PAT = 0x00000020, NEO_BC0_SRC_MONO = 0x00000040, NEO_BC0_SYS_TO_VID = 0x00000080, NEO_BC1_DEPTH8 = 0x00000100, NEO_BC1_DEPTH16 = 0x00000200, NEO_BC1_DEPTH24 = 0x00000300, NEO_BC1_X_320 = 0x00000400, NEO_BC1_X_640 = 0x00000800, NEO_BC1_X_800 = 0x00000c00, NEO_BC1_X_1024 = 0x00001000, NEO_BC1_X_1152 = 0x00001400, NEO_BC1_X_1280 = 0x00001800, NEO_BC1_X_1600 = 0x00001c00, NEO_BC1_DST_TRANS = 0x00002000, NEO_BC1_MSTR_BLT = 0x00004000, NEO_BC1_FILTER_Z = 0x00008000, NEO_BC2_WR_TR_DST = 0x00800000, NEO_BC3_SRC_XY_ADDR = 0x01000000, NEO_BC3_DST_XY_ADDR = 0x02000000, NEO_BC3_CLIP_ON = 0x04000000, NEO_BC3_FIFO_EN = 0x08000000, NEO_BC3_BLT_ON_ADDR = 0x10000000, NEO_BC3_SKIP_MAPPING = 0x80000000, NEO_MODE1_DEPTH8 = 0x0100, NEO_MODE1_DEPTH16 = 0x0200, NEO_MODE1_DEPTH24 = 0x0300, NEO_MODE1_X_320 = 0x0400, NEO_MODE1_X_640 = 0x0800, NEO_MODE1_X_800 = 0x0c00, NEO_MODE1_X_1024 = 0x1000, NEO_MODE1_X_1152 = 0x1400, NEO_MODE1_X_1280 = 0x1800, NEO_MODE1_X_1600 = 0x1c00, NEO_MODE1_BLT_ON_ADDR = 0x2000, }; /* Raster Operations */ enum { GXclear = 0x000000, /* 0x0000 */ GXand = 0x080000, /* 0x1000 */ GXandReverse = 0x040000, /* 0x0100 */ GXcopy = 0x0c0000, /* 0x1100 */ GXandInvert = 0x020000, /* 0x0010 */ GXnoop = 0x0a0000, /* 0x1010 */ GXxor = 0x060000, /* 0x0110 */ GXor = 0x0e0000, /* 0x1110 */ GXnor = 0x010000, /* 0x0001 */ GXequiv = 0x090000, /* 0x1001 */ GXinvert = 0x050000, /* 0x0101 */ GXorReverse = 0x0d0000, /* 0x1101 */ GXcopyInvert = 0x030000, /* 0x0011 */ GXorInverted = 0x0b0000, /* 0x1011 */ GXnand = 0x070000, /* 0x0111 */ GXset = 0x0f0000, /* 0x1111 */ }; static void waitforidle(VGAscr *scr) { ulong *mmio; long x; mmio = scr->mmio; x = 0; while((mmio[BltStat] & NEO_BS0_BLT_BUSY) && x++ < 1000000) ; //if(x >= 1000000) // iprint("idle stat %lud scrmmio %.8lux scr %p pc %luX\n", mmio[BltStat], scr->mmio, scr, getcallerpc(&scr)); } static void waitforfifo(VGAscr *scr, int entries) { ulong *mmio; long x; mmio = scr->mmio; x = 0; while(((mmio[BltStat]>>8) < entries) && x++ < 1000000) ; //if(x >= 1000000) // iprint("fifo stat %d scrmmio %.8lux scr %p pc %luX\n", mmio[BltStat]>>8, scr->mmio, scr, getcallerpc(&scr)); /* DirectFB says the above doesn't work. if so... */ /* waitforidle(scr); */ } static int neomagichwfill(VGAscr *scr, Rectangle r, ulong sval) { ulong *mmio; mmio = scr->mmio; waitforfifo(scr, 1); mmio[FGColor] = sval; waitforfifo(scr, 3); mmio[BltCntl] = neomagicbltflags | NEO_BC3_FIFO_EN | NEO_BC0_SRC_IS_FG | NEO_BC3_SKIP_MAPPING | GXcopy; mmio[DstStartOff] = scr->aperture + r.min.y*scr->gscreen->width*BY2WD + r.min.x*scr->gscreen->depth/BI2BY; mmio[XYExt] = (Dy(r) << 16) | (Dx(r) & 0xffff); waitforidle(scr); return 1; } static int neomagichwscroll(VGAscr *scr, Rectangle r, Rectangle sr) { ulong *mmio; int pitch, pixel; mmio = scr->mmio; pitch = scr->gscreen->width*BY2WD; pixel = scr->gscreen->depth/BI2BY; waitforfifo(scr, 4); if (r.min.y < sr.min.y || (r.min.y == sr.min.y && r.min.x < sr.min.x)) { /* start from upper-left */ mmio[BltCntl] = neomagicbltflags | NEO_BC3_FIFO_EN | NEO_BC3_SKIP_MAPPING | GXcopy; mmio[SrcStartOff] = scr->aperture + sr.min.y*pitch + sr.min.x*pixel; mmio[DstStartOff] = scr->aperture + r.min.y*pitch + r.min.x*pixel; } else { /* start from lower-right */ mmio[BltCntl] = neomagicbltflags | NEO_BC0_X_DEC | NEO_BC0_DST_Y_DEC | NEO_BC0_SRC_Y_DEC | NEO_BC3_FIFO_EN | NEO_BC3_SKIP_MAPPING | GXcopy; mmio[SrcStartOff] = scr->aperture + (sr.max.y-1)*pitch + (sr.max.x-1)*pixel; mmio[DstStartOff] = scr->aperture + (r.max.y-1)*pitch + (r.max.x-1)*pixel; } mmio[XYExt] = (Dy(r) << 16) | (Dx(r) & 0xffff); waitforidle(scr); return 1; } static void neomagicdrawinit(VGAscr *scr) { ulong *mmio; uint bltmode, pitch; mmio = scr->mmio; pitch = scr->gscreen->width*BY2WD; neomagicbltflags = bltmode = 0; switch(scr->gscreen->depth) { case 8: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_DEPTH8; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_DEPTH8; break; case 16: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_DEPTH16; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_DEPTH16; break; case 24: /* I can't get it to work, and XFree86 doesn't either. */ default: /* give up */ return; } switch(Dx(scr->gscreen->r)) { case 320: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_X_320; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_X_320; break; case 640: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_X_640; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_X_640; break; case 800: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_X_800; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_X_800; break; case 1024: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_X_1024; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_X_1024; break; case 1152: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_X_1152; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_X_1152; break; case 1280: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_X_1280; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_X_1280; break; case 1600: bltmode |= NEO_MODE1_X_1600; neomagicbltflags |= NEO_BC1_X_1600; break; default: /* don't worry about it */ break; } waitforidle(scr); mmio[BltStat] = bltmode << 16; mmio[Pitch] = (pitch << 16) | (pitch & 0xffff); scr->fill = neomagichwfill; scr->scroll = neomagichwscroll; } VGAdev vganeomagicdev = { "neomagic", neomagicenable, nil, nil, neomagiclinear, neomagicdrawinit, }; VGAcur vganeomagiccur = { "neomagichwgc", neomagiccurenable, neomagiccurdisable, neomagiccurload, neomagiccurmove, }; 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Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:23:05 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] boot from: in install In-Reply-To: <0b178995da5f433dc8197d24e99aad41@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:22:55 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > If you had four IDE controllers, they'd be > named sdC, sdD, sdE, and sdF. That's different > from having four drives on the first controller, > which is how you get up to sdC3. True enough, but there would still be only one (1) primary drive, the rest would be slaves. That was the technical point I was dancing around with the wording of the previous statement. The question is not how did you get four primary drives but how did you get three slaves.... -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 09:18:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 09:18:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7585 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 09:18:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7581 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 09:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 09:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89D79199B3; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6C7319988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8E0Gp304382 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:16:51 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] rc - how to... In-Reply-To: <4b18fee62c881bde79af19a33ac1b46a@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:16:51 -0500 (CDT) On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > If the input contains '; rm -rf *', I go and kill the user (not the > process). In a finite number of steps you get good input files. Or they kill you, which seems more likely. Users outnumber operators by a considerable factor. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 09:20:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 09:20:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7626 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 09:20:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7622 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 09:20:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 09:20:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE118199B3; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from acl.lanl.gov (unknown [128.165.147.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C955C19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2786320 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 18:19:17 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 18:19:17 -0600 Received: (qmail 3805 invoked by uid 3499); 13 Sep 2002 18:19:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 18:19:16 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] FreeBSD 9p work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:19:16 -0600 (MDT) note that we have done the beginnings of private name spaces for freebsd -- see my web page. Aaron marks wrote this. No 9p on freebsd yet. You can use my 9p server but it conforms to 3e, assumes TCP, and has not been tested to interoperate with plan 9 clients. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 11:11:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 11:11:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9793 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 11:11:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9789 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 11:11:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 11:11:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D3F119981; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5649919981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 22:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3294 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Sep 2002 02:09:58 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020914020958.GA3290@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:09:58 -0700 > 1. the S3 is sharing the memory; there is no allowance for this, and > when the buffer cache meets the frame buffer horrible things happen > > 2. which symbios controller? check that the PCI bus specs. match, as > older symbios controllers don't work on newer PCI busses it is a symbios 53c810ae is that indicative of anything? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 14 23:29:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 14 23:29:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18236 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Sep 2002 23:29:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18232 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2002 23:29:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Sep 2002 23:29:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68F21199B3; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 756D21998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22294 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Sep 2002 14:27:46 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020914142746.GB22270@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 07:27:46 -0700 just a thought, does parity vs non-parity have anything to do with this? I noticed in the bios that the memory is non-parity. perhaps its just old slow (cheap) ram? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 01:25:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 01:25:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19624 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 01:25:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19620 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 01:25:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 01:25:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F694199B3; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from honk.eecs.harvard.edu (honk.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.101]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17404199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by honk.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DC44D3C10E; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:23:56 -0400 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ports of Factotum and secstored Message-ID: <20020914122356.B26315@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from penguinpower80@hotmail.com on Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 09:32:03AM +0000 X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 09:32:03AM +0000, David wrote: > Does anyone out there know if there are any ports of Factotum and > secstore to either Linux or Windows, or where I could begin to look > for these? I did a port earlier this summer so I could get an auth server and file server (of sorts) running on a Unix box. Unfortunately, it isn't in a state I'd like to distribute it yet and I've run out of time to work on it for the moment. If no one gets around to it in the next couple of months, I may pick it up again. > If not, does anyone know of a good resource to help with how to port > something like this to other os's? I'm not sure what you're after here. With the exception of mount/bind and graphics code, the Plan 9 source is far more portable than most Unix software IME. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 05:44:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 05:44:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22545 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 05:44:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22541 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 05:44:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 05:44:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6DBB199BC; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21407.mail.yahoo.com (web21407.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C2C2D199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020914204325.82033.qmail@web21407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.139.33.11] by web21407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:43:25 PDT From: William Gunnells To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020914160005.21633.45193.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] help connect a terminal to kfs or Standalone CPU Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) UPDATE** Still having trouble with terminal connection to CPU/Auth kfs. Yes I did rename the files as stated in in cpurc. I did it manualy. Also I'm able to connect with con -l 'tcp!kfs!ticket' (ctl-\, q will quit) Very cool command its response was connected to tcp!kfs!ticket on /net/tcp/20 So I suppose my ticket is fine. Here is the exact error I receive at terminal before it reboots authentication failed (auth_proxy fd: kfs system error ::connection rejected), trying mount anyways boot: /: authentication failed kernel > > Then the system just cycles through and reboots... > > Also used disk/kfscmd chat. I think its a ticket > problem. Not sure how to correct it. Maybe I have > something set up wrong. > > Here are my configs > > #!/bin/rc > echo -n cpu > /env/service > date > /env/boottime > > # replace FILESERVER with the name of your file > server > # here we start with kfs, your local disk file > system > fileserver=kfs > > # replace FACEDOM with the local domain to be used > in > the faces database > facedom=FACEDOM > for (i in '#m' '#i' '#S' '#t') > bind -a $i /dev >/dev/null >[2]/dev/null > > ip/ipconfig -g 192.168.0.1 ether /net/ether0 > 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.0 > # name translation, cs sets /dev/sysname > ndb/cs > sysname=`{cat /dev/sysname} > sysname=kfs > ndb/dns -r > > # parallelism for mk > NPROC=`{wc -l /dev/sysstat} > NPROC=`{echo $NPROC|sed 's/ .*//'} > > prompt=($sysname^'# ' ' ') > > # pick a timeserver closer to you when you can or > we'll get clogged > #aux/timesync plan9.bell-labs.com > > # uncomment the following for booting other systems > ip/dhcpd > ip/tftpd > > # If you are on an auth server, start these before > listening: > # > auth/keyfs -wp -m /mnt/keys /adm/keys >/dev/null > >[2=1] > auth/cron >>/sys/log/cron >[2=1] & > # > # also rename some files: > # > if(! test -e /rc/bin/service.auth/il566){ > mv /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.il566 > /rc/bin/service.auth/il566 > mv /rc/bin/service.auth/authsrv.tcp567 > /rc/bin/service.auth/tcp567 > mv /rc/bin/service/il566 > /rc/bin/service/_il566 > mv /rc/bin/service/tcp567 > /rc/bin/service/_tcp567 > } > # for standalone cpu only > disk/kfscmd 'listen il!*!17008' > # services available to networks > aux/listen -q -d /rc/bin/service.auth -t > /rc/bin/service il > aux/listen -q -d /rc/bin/service.auth -t > /rc/bin/service tcp > > and local > > database= > file=/lib/ndb/local > file=/lib/ndb/common > > ipnet=myipnet ip=192.168.0.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 > ipgw=192.168.0.1 > auth=kfs > proto=il > > ip=192.168.0.2 ether=00c04f182de5 sys=kfs > bootf=/386/9pcauth > proto=il > ip=192.168.0.3 ether=009027626acc sys=term > bootf=/386/9pc > proto=il __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 06:19:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 06:19:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22889 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 06:19:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22885 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 06:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 06:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA80E199BB; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 69CCD19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Sep 14 17:18:13 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sat Sep 14 17:18:12 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <0fb80061df5014afb37e4ae6ecf10491@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] help connect a terminal to kfs or Standalone CPU From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:18:08 -0400 how are you initializing your factotum? what does cat /mnt/factotum/ctl print if you run it on your cpu/auth server? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 08:50:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 08:50:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24452 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 08:50:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24448 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 08:50:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 08:50:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 790CA199BC; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D5BEC19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24551 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Sep 2002 23:48:55 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020914234855.GB31042@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:48:55 -0700 maybe this will further confuse matters but provide more information on this problem: I swapped the file server and cpu/auth server. Now the former auth server has the scsi interface and bootup disk, and the file server has the cpu/auth boot disk. Ive yet to make the new file server page fault the same way, but the cpu/auth server seems to just stop responding if i put any sort of load on it. Once that happens the file server no longer lets anything get files off of it. You reboot the auth server and it gets to version... and sits there. I end up having to reboot the file server. Ive tested out another machine as the auth server in this setup, it had also page faulted as the file server. The only visible errors were something about a lock being held on the file server. and to confuse things /more/ prior to trying this out, in my original configuration i attempted to use an ide disk. It page faulted or more often stopped responding in the same fashion. thanks for any help. Andrew From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 10:36:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 10:36:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25631 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 10:36:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25627 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 10:36:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 10:36:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 773AA1999B; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E2EEF1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 435 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:39:35 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:37:12 -0400 I`m just getting started. I can use dhcp to install but seem to lose my net config after boot logging in as glenda. I`m I just stupid, cause I can`t find clear docs on initial setup proceedure. Should I ban the manuals , or is it the same as the online docs? Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 10:40:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 10:40:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25686 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 10:40:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25682 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 10:40:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 10:40:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89F8A199BE; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C0CBE19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Sep 14 21:39:44 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sat Sep 14 21:39:42 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <960b878c07160e4076ebe9c0a81f9aa5@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:39:39 -0400 You need to edit /rc/bin/termrc to uncomment the ip/ipconfig line. That will run dhcp on your ethernet card at boot time. The network config used during the install doesn't carry over, though it probably should. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 10:49:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 10:49:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25826 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 10:49:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25822 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 10:49:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 10:49:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2A96199D5; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AD3231999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 301 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:52:30 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <960b878c07160e4076ebe9c0a81f9aa5@plan9.bell-labs.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:50:07 -0400 Thank you for your quick response. One more for now. I also am losing my serial mouse, maybe the mouse. I have a ps/2 mouse but it`s only two buttons. Is there three button emulation ? Or should I just but a new three button ps/2 ? -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:40 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) You need to edit /rc/bin/termrc to uncomment the ip/ipconfig line. That will run dhcp on your ethernet card at boot time. The network config used during the install doesn't carry over, though it probably should. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 10:56:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 10:56:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25935 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 10:56:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25931 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 10:56:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 10:56:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F090F199E4; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A1B3519980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 443 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 05:59:27 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:57:04 -0400 Found the three button emulation answer. -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Adrian Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:50 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) Thank you for your quick response. One more for now. I also am losing my serial mouse, maybe the mouse. I have a ps/2 mouse but it`s only two buttons. Is there three button emulation ? Or should I just but a new three button ps/2 ? -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:40 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) You need to edit /rc/bin/termrc to uncomment the ip/ipconfig line. That will run dhcp on your ethernet card at boot time. The network config used during the install doesn't carry over, though it probably should. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 10:57:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 10:57:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25948 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 10:57:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25944 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 10:57:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 10:57:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43EDB19991; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2181219991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Sep 14 21:56:28 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sat Sep 14 21:56:27 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 21:56:23 -0400 Buy a new three button ps/2. You can use a two-button ps/2 and simulate the middle button with shift-right-button but it's just not the same, especially when you're trying to use chording in rio or acme. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 11:05:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 11:05:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26043 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 11:05:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26039 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 11:05:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 11:05:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66E5119A02; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 809BC199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 885 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:08:39 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <960b878c07160e4076ebe9c0a81f9aa5@plan9.bell-labs.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:06:17 -0400 I dont even have an ip/config line in the file the closest thing I have is test -e /net/ipifc/0/ctl I don`t mean to bother you, if you have a link I should read I would be more than happpy to do so. -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:40 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) You need to edit /rc/bin/termrc to uncomment the ip/ipconfig line. That will run dhcp on your ethernet card at boot time. The network config used during the install doesn't carry over, though it probably should. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 11:08:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 11:08:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26088 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 11:08:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26084 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 11:08:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 11:08:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BDD019A02; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7D79D199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:07:45 -0400 There should be a section like: # start IP on the LAN. It's commented out to avoid a long timeout # on startup waiting for DHCP. # # If your system has DHCP # #if(! test -e /net/ipifc/0/ctl) # ip/ipconfig >/dev/null >[2=1] # # Otherwise use # #if(! test -e /net/ipifc/0/ctl) # ip/ipconfig -g your-gateway your-ip-address your-subnet-mask >/dev/null >[2=1] uncomment the lines if(! test -e /net/ipifc/0/ctl) ip/ipconfig >/dev/null >[2=1] and you can get rid of the >/dev/null >[2=1] if you want to see any errors that occur. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 11:09:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 11:09:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26101 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 11:09:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26097 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 11:09:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 11:09:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC28619A0B; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E9A5E19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-yfnztjnmokzbmhaapazixvzjjj" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:07:49 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-yfnztjnmokzbmhaapazixvzjjj Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's actually spelled ip/ipconfig: ; grep ipconfig /bin/termrc.v4 ip/ipconfig >/dev/null >[2=1] # ip/ipconfig -g your-gateway your-ip-address your-subnet-mask >/dev/null >[2=1] --upas-yfnztjnmokzbmhaapazixvzjjj Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from collyer.net ([10.9.0.3]) by collyer.net; Sat Sep 14 19:05:12 PDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by collyer.net; Sat Sep 14 19:05:11 PDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D7AF199F2; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 809BC199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 885 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 06:08:39 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <960b878c07160e4076ebe9c0a81f9aa5@plan9.bell-labs.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:06:17 -0400 I dont even have an ip/config line in the file the closest thing I have is test -e /net/ipifc/0/ctl I don`t mean to bother you, if you have a link I should read I would be more than happpy to do so. -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:40 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie question (DHCP) You need to edit /rc/bin/termrc to uncomment the ip/ipconfig line. That will run dhcp on your ethernet card at boot time. The network config used during the install doesn't carry over, though it probably should. Russ --upas-yfnztjnmokzbmhaapazixvzjjj-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 11:23:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 11:23:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26273 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 11:23:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26269 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 11:23:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 11:23:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99CEA19A02; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CBDEE199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <07e1c8ac664d33b92935754d57baf26a@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:22:18 -0700 > 1. the S3 is sharing the memory; there is no allowance for this, and > when the buffer cache meets the frame buffer horrible things happen My main file server has the SiS 630E chipset in it, which includes a built-in VGA chipset that shares host memory. The motherboard manual says it's the SiS 300 AGP VGA. I added a trivial "pcihinv" command that just calls the otherwise-unused pcihinv function (/sys/src/fs/pc/pci.c:/^pcihinv). Here's what pcihinv had to say: bus dev type vid did intl memory [ ... ] 1 0/0 0300 1039 6300 11 0:f0000008 134217728 1:eb000000 131072 2:0000a801 128 Aperture size and shared memory size may be embedded there somewhere. According to vendor and device ids, this is an SiS 630 integrated AGP VGA at 0xa800. Who knows? The SiS 300 has a different device id (0x300) but some software (e.g., XFree86) treats the 300 and 630 (and 540) similarly. SiS's numbering seems to be intended to obfuscate. I'd been worried about the shared memory too and when I first set up the file server, had odd crashes shortly after boot, so I inserted a PCI VGA card into one of the whopping two (002) PCI slots, and told the BIOS to use it, not the built-in VGA. Eventually, the odd crashes turned out to be an uninitialised FPU, but even after fixing that, I was uneasy about the built-in VGA and so left the PCI VGA card in. However, I have gradually come to the conclusion that, at least for my VGA chipset, it's not a problem for these reasons: - the file server never enables VGA mode but runs the console in CGA mode, which doesn't need much memory anyway (it can only display 2,000 characters), - my BIOS reports that the system has 510MB of normal memory + 2MB of shared video memory (it has 512MB of RAM), now that I've cut the shared memory size down to 2MB in the BIOS (and the aperture down to 4MB), and - prints that I added report that memory bank1 runs up to 0x1fe00000 (534773760 = 510MB exactly), so I assume that the BIOS is claiming only 510MB of RAM or the memory sizing code detects that the memory at 510MB through 512MB behaves strangely and so excludes it. I then built an fs kernel with devwrite() stubbed out, removed the PCI VGA card, booted the no-writes fs kernel, read well over 512MB of distinct data, checked all the file systems (they are roughly 20GB or 40GB each), and everything was still behaving. The checks are significant only because they consume RAM. After running for a while longer, I then booted my normal fs kernel and things are still okay. last boot Thu Sep 12 02:18:44 2002 It's now been over two days, and it's still behaving. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 13:02:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 13:02:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27593 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 13:02:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27589 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 13:02:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 13:02:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B40041999B; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from smtp.fywss.com (mail.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17FF619980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from steve@localhost) by smtp.fywss.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8F414532625 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:01:04 -0400 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Message-Id: <200209150401.g8F414532625@smtp.fywss.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 00:01:04 -0400 The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The latest hypertext version of the faq is available at url http://www.fywss.com/plan9/plan9faq.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 16:22:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 16:22:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30253 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 16:22:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30249 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 16:22:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 16:22:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A45BA199BC; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from 9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D32CD199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 03:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <32b55f2d1ea41133b5a0754c29a7e1bd@9fs.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 08:21:21 +0100 > maybe this will further confuse matters but provide more information on > this problem: > Yes, I think so. The problem seems more motherboard related. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 23:53:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 23:53:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3267 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 23:53:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3263 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 23:53:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 23:53:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A76D219995; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx09.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx09.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.19]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E55619995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by mx09.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 2994502 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:51:55 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] one more stupid question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:53:21 -0400 How do you mount a cd ? I downloaded the python.iso.bz and expanded it and wanted to install it. The directions in the distribution don`t seem to work with mount /srv/9660 /n/dist python.iso I get an ca`nt open srv/9660 file does not exist. I appreciate the assistance with the network config, everything is working just fine now. I`m try to setup mail, found something on the Wiki going to see how it works. I`m just trying a stand alone system first. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 15 23:57:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 15 23:57:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3317 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Sep 2002 23:57:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3313 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2002 23:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Sep 2002 23:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41132199B6; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D95351999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cd4701d3b5549fe46aec977ac010217@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] one more stupid question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 10:56:43 -0400 run 9660srv to create /srv/9660. you also may need to give mount a full path name for python.iso, since the path gets interpreted relative to the current directory for 9660srv, not your own. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 03:15:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 03:15:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4719 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 03:15:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4715 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 03:15:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 03:15:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E2B419995; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AB8119981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 3034200 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:14:41 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Can I use mail to check outside accounts ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:16:07 -0400 Is this possible to use it for all my mail accounts? After reading the FAQ , it appears to be avaiable only as a local mail client. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 03:34:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 03:34:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4836 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 03:34:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4832 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 03:34:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 03:34:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11B3819988; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A7D96199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 14:33:01 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 14:33:00 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <4bdc8297bfb78bcee9f6e3c308604ba0@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can I use mail to check outside accounts ? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:32:56 -0400 You can check outside POP and IMAP accounts via upas/fs. If you update your system and man upasfs it's described there. Otherwise, look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9, then click on Mail Configuration. Also check out http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/4/upasfs Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 03:51:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 03:51:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4929 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 03:51:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4925 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 03:51:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 03:51:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9DD919980; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C49D41998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.35]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020915185053.YLKL292.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c25ce8$d655caf0$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Can I use mail to check outside accounts ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:50:59 +0100 Upas will mount remote mail boxes in your fs It uses factotum to store your passwords. It works for pop3 and imap (and maybe others, the man pages tell you more). The mail is then mounted like local mail (as you would expect) The downsides : When I tried it I could only get one password per service per domain stored in factotum which made mounting multiple mailboxes on the same domain difficult. (This may have been a shortcoming in my approach rather than factotum, I'm no expert on it). It's slow. Not inherently the fault of the upas approach I don't think but when I mounted my imap account accross the 100BaseT LAN I had to wait for an age for all the mail to get mounted so I could check for new messages. Imap isn't speedy at the best of times but the upas solution made it impossible to use. I have a script that mounts remote boxes and downloads then injects it into the local mail system (modelled on Eric Raymond's fetchmail approach) . http://www.proweb.co.uk/~matt/mailcollector.rc but be warned. It's not perfect. and I've not exercised it much since it was written. (my installation is borked. my font files got corrupted and I cant read the text when I log in. I'm waiting for a symbios scsi card so i cant get a proper 3 pc system up) matt --- Outgoing mail is certified as idiotic. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 03:57:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 03:57:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5002 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 03:57:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4998 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 03:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 03:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E215199BC; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CEE6919992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 14:56:04 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 14:56:03 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can I use mail to check outside accounts ? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:55:59 -0400 Imap is really slow, and I'm not sure why. I think it's supposed to stay dialed in and doesn't. Pop works great. I'm using it now. It's true that when you start it, it has to read all the mail in your mailbox. Incentive to keep your mailbox small. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 06:12:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 06:12:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5792 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 06:12:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5787 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 06:12:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 06:12:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D688199BF; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A6773199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 682 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:14:51 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] one more stupid question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <8cd4701d3b5549fe46aec977ac010217@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:12:30 -0400 Ok I type disk/kfscmd 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /path/to/python.iso (it is at the root of the cd so do I do /n/dist/python.iso ?) /n/dist/python.setup replica/pull /n/dist/python I keeps telling me /n/dist doesn`t exist. try it from / where I can see the /n/dist directory no luck. Adrian PS.( I swear I reading as much as I can find) -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 10:57 AM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] one more stupid question run 9660srv to create /srv/9660. you also may need to give mount a full path name for python.iso, since the path gets interpreted relative to the current directory for 9660srv, not your own. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 07:02:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 07:02:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6169 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 07:02:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6165 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 07:02:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 07:02:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E804199D5; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 78D2B199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 18:01:55 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 18:01:54 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <9aced27197c50102c45118c88904e14b@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] one more stupid question From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:01:51 -0400 So you've got a CD containing a single file that is python.iso? I'm assuming your CD reader is /dev/sdD0/data, the IDE secondary master. sdC1 is primary slave and sdD1 is secondary slave. Run this: disk/kfscmd allow 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/a /dev/sdD0/data 9660srv xxx mount /srv/xxx /n/dist /n/a/python.iso /n/dist/python.setup replica/pull /n/dist/python You need the two 9660srvs because you've got a CD image as a file on a CD. If the CD contains these files instead: d-rwxrwxr-x M 2793032 sys sys 0 Sep 1 05:24 386 --r--r--r-- M 2793032 sys sys 117 May 6 17:29 README --r-xr-xr-x M 2793032 sys sys 374 May 6 17:29 python --rw-rw-r-- M 2793032 sys sys 206221 Sep 10 02:43 python.db --rw-rw-r-- M 2793032 sys sys 264479 Sep 10 02:31 python.log --rwxrwxr-x M 2793032 sys sys 90 May 6 17:29 python.setup d-rwxrwxr-x M 2793032 sys sys 0 Mar 29 17:02 sys you can skip the first set of 9660srvs, doing this instead: disk/kfscmd allow 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /dev/sdD0/data /n/dist/python.setup replica/pull /n/dist/python Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 07:09:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 07:09:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6204 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 07:09:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6200 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 07:09:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 07:09:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9119199D5; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47EDE1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx11.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 3142050 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:08:56 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] Web Browsing ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:10:19 -0400 Is there a built in browser or is Charon in inferno the way to go ? Still stuck on mounting a CD . Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 07:27:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 07:27:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6291 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 07:27:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6287 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 07:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 07:27:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2A1F199E8; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6408D19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 818 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 02:30:28 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] one more stupid question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9aced27197c50102c45118c88904e14b@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:28:03 -0400 Okay tried it both ways. With the python.iso as a file and expanded on a single cd. I can mount it, but when I go to run /n/dist/python.setup I get the error /n/kfs/dist/replica/client/python.db: rc (python.setup) can`t open: '/n/kfs/dist' does not exists. Should I be glenda doing this ? and should I do it from my home directory or the root / Thank you Adrian -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:02 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] one more stupid question So you've got a CD containing a single file that is python.iso? I'm assuming your CD reader is /dev/sdD0/data, the IDE secondary master. sdC1 is primary slave and sdD1 is secondary slave. Run this: disk/kfscmd allow 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/a /dev/sdD0/data 9660srv xxx mount /srv/xxx /n/dist /n/a/python.iso /n/dist/python.setup replica/pull /n/dist/python You need the two 9660srvs because you've got a CD image as a file on a CD. If the CD contains these files instead: d-rwxrwxr-x M 2793032 sys sys 0 Sep 1 05:24 386 --r--r--r-- M 2793032 sys sys 117 May 6 17:29 README --r-xr-xr-x M 2793032 sys sys 374 May 6 17:29 python --rw-rw-r-- M 2793032 sys sys 206221 Sep 10 02:43 python.db --rw-rw-r-- M 2793032 sys sys 264479 Sep 10 02:31 python.log --rwxrwxr-x M 2793032 sys sys 90 May 6 17:29 python.setup d-rwxrwxr-x M 2793032 sys sys 0 Mar 29 17:02 sys you can skip the first set of 9660srvs, doing this instead: disk/kfscmd allow 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /dev/sdD0/data /n/dist/python.setup replica/pull /n/dist/python Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 07:30:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 07:30:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6304 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 07:30:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6300 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 07:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 07:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 454A5199D5; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C0B019988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18594 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g8FMTxi21119 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200209152229.g8FMTxi21119@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] one more stupid question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:28:03 EDT." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:29:59 -0400 You can probably login as whomever you like, as long as you do a `disk/kfscmd allow' first. Sounds like a permissioning problem. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 08:05:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 08:05:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6476 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 08:05:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6472 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 08:05:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 08:05:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BA32199F2; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19BEB19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from powell.name ([4.42.104.33]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020915230421.MLWT22486.pop017.verizon.net@powell.name> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:04:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3D8511E9.4000402@powell.name> From: Richard Powell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.42.104.33] using ID at Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:04:21 -0500 Subject: [9fans] Hardware detection problems Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:04:09 -0700 Greetings, I'm new to Plan 9. I just downloaded plan9.ios.bz2 to try it out. I can boot it and run rio, but I'm having a few hardware detection and/or configuration problems. I have a mother board with four IDE ports, two ATA-66 ports on a VIA KX133 chipset and two ATA-100 ports on a HPT370 chip on the PCI buss. I wanted to install Plan 9 on the primary drive of IDE-3, but the two drives on the HPT370 chip are not detected. I was able to install and boot Plan 9 by recabling the disk to the primary master slot (sdC0). I know the HPT370 is not on the officially supported hardware list, but I thought the drives would at least be detected and maybe work in PIO mode. Also, I don't think my ethernet card is being detected because there is no /net/ether0 file. The boot loader prints a line for ether0 with a port number and IRQ, but after loading the kernel there are no additional ether0 messages. It is a Netgear FA312, which is mentioned in the supported hardware list. It does seem to detect the USB ports and ISA sound card. Is there some trick I'm missing or am I just out of luck? Thanks for any tips! Richard Powell plan9.ini file: bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fs *nomp=1 distname=plan9 partition=new #console=0 ether0=type=83815 monitor=multisync135 vgasize=1280x1024x32 mouseport=ps2 audio0=type=ess1688 installurl=http://204.178.31.2/magic/9down4e/compressed/1031888044.uvvc86ygkwyv5x3vz3r7u72ae3f4ndq5 Hardware Configuration: 800Mhz Athlon (Not OC) Abit KA7-100 Mother-board - Via KX133 chipset + HPT370 Multi-boot using GRUB: Windows XP, Windows 98SE, Red Hat 7.3, Scyld Beowulf, and Plan 9 256MB Crucial PC-133 SDRAM MAXTOR D740 (80GB ATA-133) IBM DTLA-307020 (20GB ATA-100) HP CD-Writer Plus 9100i Asus AGP-V7100 (GeForce 2MX 32MB) Turtle Beach Malibu Netgear FA312 10/100 Ethernet From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 08:53:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 08:53:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6730 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 08:53:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6726 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 08:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 08:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 265B119981; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1F1A419992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 639 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Sep 2002 23:51:54 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020915235154.GA633@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020912045039.GA26537@thefrayedknot.armory.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:51:54 -0700 for all interested parties the problem has turned out (apparently) to be a bad nic. I have replaced the nic in the auth server and all the normal things i did before to crash it have worked just fine. Thanks to all those who helped. Andrew From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 08:55:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 08:55:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6739 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 08:55:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6735 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 08:55:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 08:55:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D31219995; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C09E819995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 650 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Sep 2002 23:53:59 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020915235359.GB633@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] sntp Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:53:59 -0700 Just curious is there a way to run an sntp server from plan9? I want to have one of my cpu servers run timesync and then have all the other systems sync off of it. Or is there already a method for this already around I overlooked? thanks Andrew From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 09:06:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 09:06:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6807 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 09:06:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6803 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 09:06:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:06:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A485419A04; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1422019992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 3286643 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:05:38 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] Need Docs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:06:58 -0400 I`ve been reading alot of the papers man pages etc, Does the virtuo Nova manuals provide any extra documentation on setting up. I hate to keep asking newbie questions. The Wiki is a great help , but without Russ, I don`t think I could even mount the cd. The python was able to be installed after I created directories, inder /kfs but no python to be found. Any ideas ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 09:20:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 09:20:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6897 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 09:20:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6893 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 09:20:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:20:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 987E5199EC; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8B4BD19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 20:19:56 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 20:19:55 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Need Docs From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:19:52 -0400 The Vita Nuova package just has the manuals that you've found online. If you find things missing from the Wiki, add them. That's what it's for. You probably didn't want to create any directories under /n/kfs. You mount kfs by running 9fs kfs. If python is installed, you should be able to type python at a prompt. Your best bet is to read the introductory papers (the first section at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc) and then poke around at the man pages. Intro(1), intro(2), intro(3), intro(4), and intro(5) are definitely a good start. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 09:21:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 09:21:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6918 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 09:21:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6914 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 09:21:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:21:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56CEC199B7; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0BB0919A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d30e025c862f9ce1e09ad7fe770b8d1@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sntp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-lxkzxhzziiqdhxvkaqldpzikus" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:20:17 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-lxkzxhzziiqdhxvkaqldpzikus Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The -s /net option to aux/timesync causes it to not only sync off another ntp source (or local clock) but also to serve ntp requests over the standard UDP port. You can point all your other systems at the one running aux/timesync -s /net. An sntp client is just a lobotomised ntp client. We don't have one, just use timesync or write your own. --upas-lxkzxhzziiqdhxvkaqldpzikus Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 19:55:15 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 19:55:14 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADAAC19988; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C09E819995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 19:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 650 invoked by uid 1000); 15 Sep 2002 23:53:59 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020915235359.GB633@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] sntp Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 16:53:59 -0700 Just curious is there a way to run an sntp server from plan9? I want to have one of my cpu servers run timesync and then have all the other systems sync off of it. Or is there already a method for this already around I overlooked? thanks Andrew --upas-lxkzxhzziiqdhxvkaqldpzikus-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 09:26:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 09:26:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6956 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 09:26:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6952 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 09:26:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:26:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E95519A0B; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6A9F719A17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92612d7fd60ea186346254eb979d7a19@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:25:52 -0400 For the FA312, you'll have to recompile your kernel. Add ether83815 with the other ethernet drivers in /sys/src/9/pc/pcdisk and then run cd /sys/src/9/pc mk 'CONF=pcdisk' and follow the directions on the wiki for installing the kernel to 9fat and trying it out. Not sure about the IDE chipset. Maybe we don't look for more than two controllers. Does it require special setup in, say, Linux? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 09:35:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 09:35:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7002 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 09:35:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6998 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 09:35:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:35:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7A1319A28; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9F7E619992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 166 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 04:38:31 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Need Docs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:36:03 -0400 Yeah , I think I just got it tied in a knot. I was able to copy the files out of the python dist and place them accordingly. I think it`s time for a clean istall. I`m paying for my earlier sins from not reading all the docs. Thank you for you patience and all the help. Adding packages in the *.tgz form, do they work the same way or do I just extract them with gunzip and tar commands? -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 8:20 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Need Docs The Vita Nuova package just has the manuals that you've found online. If you find things missing from the Wiki, add them. That's what it's for. You probably didn't want to create any directories under /n/kfs. You mount kfs by running 9fs kfs. If python is installed, you should be able to type python at a prompt. Your best bet is to read the introductory papers (the first section at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc) and then poke around at the man pages. Intro(1), intro(2), intro(3), intro(4), and intro(5) are definitely a good start. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 09:38:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 09:38:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7027 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 09:38:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7023 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 09:38:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:38:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F25E19A1C; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5B1419A05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 1576979 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:37:13 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] Python Works! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:38:32 -0400 Thank you Russ , after mounting the drive like you said and then using " 9fs kfs" it installed perfectly ! Forward progress, it`s all we can ask for. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 09:54:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 09:54:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7117 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 09:54:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7113 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 09:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 09:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFB9919992; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E986419992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020be9469b38e3cfc9f4740474100d@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio on the authentication server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:53:43 -0400 > Along these lines, if someone wanted to share files from a standalone > workstation, would it be best to set it up as a standalone auth/(k)fs > server and treat it as a network of one? You need an auth server to authenticate the connection. A standalone auth/kfs server _is_ a network of one. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 10:00:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 10:00:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7167 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 10:00:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7163 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 10:00:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 10:00:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E35A519A05; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C84B91998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <86599408c4b3d73ca089ee52762ed491@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Need Docs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:59:51 -0400 .tgz packages are just tar.gz's containing files. you're on your own for those. most of them are non-plan9 software anyway. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 10:39:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 10:39:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7461 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 10:39:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7457 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 10:39:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 10:39:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00C4A19A3E; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pop017.verizon.net (pop017pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.210]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6279F19A31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from powell.name ([4.42.104.33]) by pop017.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020916013854.NEAX22486.pop017.verizon.net@powell.name> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:38:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3D85362F.4090908@powell.name> From: Richard Powell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems References: <92612d7fd60ea186346254eb979d7a19@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop017.verizon.net from [4.42.104.33] using ID at Sun, 15 Sep 2002 20:38:54 -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:38:55 -0700 Russ Cox wrote: > For the FA312, you'll have to recompile your kernel. > Add > ether83815 > with the other ethernet drivers in /sys/src/9/pc/pcdisk > and then run > cd /sys/src/9/pc > mk 'CONF=pcdisk' > > and follow the directions on the wiki for installing > the kernel to 9fat and trying it out. > > Not sure about the IDE chipset. Maybe we don't > look for more than two controllers. Does it require > special setup in, say, Linux? > > Russ Russ, Thanks for the info on the etehrnet card, I'll give it a try. As for the IDE issue, the 2.4 Linux kernels (and Windows XP) include a driver for the HPT3xx chipsets. However, the 2.2 Linux kernel did detect the devices and treated them as generic PC compatible IDE ports. Even Windows 98 could use them in a "compatibility mode" until the driver was installed, all be it slower than with the correct driver. I'll poke around in the source to see if I can find anything relevant. Thanks again, Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 10:59:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 10:59:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7646 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 10:59:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7642 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 10:59:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 10:59:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC94619A54; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail503.nifty.com (mail503.nifty.com [202.248.37.211]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7473719A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by mail503.nifty.com (8.12.6/3.7W-07/15/02) with ESMTP id g8G1tlL0013816 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:55:48 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Moroo Jun To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6B3E0BFE-C917-11D6-B8C7-0050E4504768@nifty.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [9fans] runq says error Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:55:47 +0900 I tried to install mail server on cpu/auth server(named myplan9). Receiving mail and sending mail looks fine. But runq said error. In /sys/log/cron: myplan9 Sep 13 10:31:37 upas: called /bin/upas/runq -a /mail/queue=20 /mail/lib/remotemail on myplan9 myplan9 Sep 13 10:31:37 upas: can't authenticate for /bin/upas/runq -a=20= /mail/queue /mail/lib/remotemail on myplan9: auth_proxy rpc write:=20 =01bootes: protocol phase error: read in state SNeedTicket I set up upas password on myplan9. auth log: myplan9 Sep 13 09:58:18 user upas installed for plan 9 myplan9 Sep 13 10:35:40 cr-ok upas@bootes(192.168.1.32) Where should I check or correct? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 11:57:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 11:57:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8261 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 11:57:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8257 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 11:57:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 11:57:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EDE219A33; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 62DD219A25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 22:56:26 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 22:56:25 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <47bebdfdcae207cee647848023ec0e30@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:56:22 -0400 If you know the ports and interrupts, it might suffice just to add the appropriate probes. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 13:03:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 13:03:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8833 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 13:03:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8829 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 13:03:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 13:03:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CE5419A57; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 08BA119A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-wrdphiiaukjhvgfzhodyrjkqdt" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:02:19 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-wrdphiiaukjhvgfzhodyrjkqdt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The code hooks are all there for additional controllers (devata.c:/^atalegacy). Some glue needs to be added to devsd.c:/^sdreset. --upas-wrdphiiaukjhvgfzhodyrjkqdt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 22:57:19 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 22:57:18 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B296719A25; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 62DD219A25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 22:56:26 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 22:56:25 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <47bebdfdcae207cee647848023ec0e30@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:56:22 -0400 If you know the ports and interrupts, it might suffice just to add the appropriate probes. Russ --upas-wrdphiiaukjhvgfzhodyrjkqdt-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 14:28:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 14:28:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9871 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 14:28:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9867 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 14:28:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 14:28:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 816B219A5A; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cosym.net (peter.sys.9srv.net [64.7.3.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A8E2919A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:27:23 -0400 (EDT) From: anothy@cosym.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can I use mail to check outside accounts ? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020916052723.A8E2919A2D@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:21:58 -0400 /// Incentive to keep your mailbox small. er, yeah, but that's often not an option. i've seen clueless users mail two copies of Netscape to 100 people on a workgroup server. upas/fs would grand to a halt in such a condition, and the memory hit on the server would be tremendous. i use upas/fs every day, as my only source of mail, but it seems like the current implementation - particularly the imap server - isn't designed to scale up particularly well. the huge delays on startup are particularly a problem for imap; i've seen clients either time out or retry before upas is done reading the mailbox. and if they retry (or have the "check my mail every N minutes" set to a very small N), these can stack up. i've not kept very careful track, but i believe every crash of my CPU server i've seen this year has been (or likely so, anyway) due to Upas' poor behaviour under stress. ã‚¢ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 17:28:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 17:28:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11759 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 17:28:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11755 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 17:28:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 17:28:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEAD519A3F; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 04:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6EBC819A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 04:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <16ae09d23febb67e322b8460bf3a3970@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems From: C H Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:18:21 +0100 >>additional ether0 messages. It is a Netgear FA312, which is mentioned >>in the supported hardware list. can you say which vendor and device IDs show up in the BIOS inventory? actually, if you've got the system running, you could try the pci command as well. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 19:03:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 19:03:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12635 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 19:03:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12631 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 19:03:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 19:03:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AE5119995; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B777619981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17qsV4-0001tB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:49:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3D82C7FB.6C1145B6@null.net> Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org>, <20020914020958.GA3290@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:47:26 GMT Andrew wrote: > > older symbios controllers don't work on newer PCI busses > it is a symbios 53c810ae is that indicative of anything? I don't think it's a matter of age of the controller as much as to whether it was built for a restrictive subset of PCI, such as INTA-only. Some of the cheaper 810-based controllers were indeed like this, but others are fine. I'm using an old ASUS SC200 and a cheaper, newer generic 810-based PCI controller on my Pentium IIIs under several different OSes. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 19:07:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 19:07:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12667 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 19:07:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12663 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 19:07:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 19:07:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60EE519A5F; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A295199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 06:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17qsV3-0001t5-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:49:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Powell Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Booting Plan 9 from sdE0 or sdF0 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:47:08 GMT Greetings, I have a mother board with four IDE ports, two ATA-66 ports from a VIA chipset and two ATA-100 ports from a HPT370 chip on the MB. I wanted to install Plan 9 on the primary drive of IDE-3, but the two drives on the HPT370 chip are not detected. I was able to install and boot Plan 9 by recabling the disk to the primary master slot (sdC0). I know the HPT370 is not on the officially supported hardware list, but I thought the drives would at least be detected and maybe work in PIO mode. Is there some trick I'm missing or am I just out of luck? Thanks for any tips! Richard Powell System Configuration: 800Mhz Athlon (Not OC) Abit KA7-100 Mother-board - Via KX133 chipset + HPT370 Multi-boot using GRUB: Windows XP, Windows 98SE, Red Hat 7.3, and Scyld Beowulf 256MB Crucial PC-133 SDRAM MAXTOR D740 (80GB ATA-133) IBM DTLA-307020 (20GB ATA-100) HP CD-Writer Plus 9100i Asus AGP-V7100 (GeForce 2MX 32MB) Turtle Beach Malibu Netgear FA312 10/100 Ethernet From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 21:30:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 21:30:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13829 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 21:30:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13825 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 21:30:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 21:30:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EE8719A06; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6DCDF19A05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45201199e36a5b04f788c78e795f9ce2@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] runq says error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-hoaznaldpftpyxtqgorxctkmfw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:29:23 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-hoaznaldpftpyxtqgorxctkmfw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cron is trying to call another system (or the same one) to run runq. The authentication is failing. It looks like cron and rexexec are out of date. Do you have a current version of /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c and its corresponding binary installed? Ditto with /sys/src/cmd/auth/cron.c? I know that I updated one before the other and that for a while they where out of sync. --upas-hoaznaldpftpyxtqgorxctkmfw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 21:59:15 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Sep 15 21:59:14 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6050019A4A; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail503.nifty.com (mail503.nifty.com [202.248.37.211]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7473719A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by mail503.nifty.com (8.12.6/3.7W-07/15/02) with ESMTP id g8G1tlL0013816 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:55:48 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Moroo Jun To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6B3E0BFE-C917-11D6-B8C7-0050E4504768@nifty.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [9fans] runq says error Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:55:47 +0900 I tried to install mail server on cpu/auth server(named myplan9). Receiving mail and sending mail looks fine. But runq said error. In /sys/log/cron: myplan9 Sep 13 10:31:37 upas: called /bin/upas/runq -a /mail/queue=20 /mail/lib/remotemail on myplan9 myplan9 Sep 13 10:31:37 upas: can't authenticate for /bin/upas/runq -a=20= /mail/queue /mail/lib/remotemail on myplan9: auth_proxy rpc write:=20 =01bootes: protocol phase error: read in state SNeedTicket I set up upas password on myplan9. auth log: myplan9 Sep 13 09:58:18 user upas installed for plan 9 myplan9 Sep 13 10:35:40 cr-ok upas@bootes(192.168.1.32) Where should I check or correct? --upas-hoaznaldpftpyxtqgorxctkmfw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 22:17:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 22:17:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14236 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 22:17:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14232 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 22:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 22:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CF261998C; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 979991998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18224 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:16:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8GDG8Q23690; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:16:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8GDG7H10058 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:16:07 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209161316.g8GDG7H10058@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:16:06 +0200 I'm trying to install Plan 9 on a thinkpad r31. Booting/Installing from CD works ok. However, when I try to boot from disk I get the following: PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs ELCR: 0800 apm ax=fc40 cx=f000 dx=40 di=ffff ebx=0 esi=-1 dev A0 port 1F0 config 045A capabilities 0B00 mwdma 0007 udma 203F dev A0 port 170 config 85C0 capabilities 0F00 mwdma 0007 udma 0407 pcirouting: South bridge 8086, 248C not found FLAGS=10202 TRAP=6 ECODE=0 PC=80027c13 AX 80024809 BX 00000002 CX 80038c74 DX 00000001 SI 00000003 DI 803161e4 BP 00000010 CS 0010 DS 0008 ES 0008 FS 0008 GS 0008 CR0 80000011 CR2 00000000 CR3 0000c000 panic: exception/interrupt 6 Press almost any key to reset.. Any ideas? Is the problem that it somehow cannot find plan9.ini (should be there in a 9fat partition), or does it not even get that far? The 9load that I installed seems the most recent one. The size and md5sum from /386/9load are the same on the new laptop and existing installation. However, the md5sum of the /n/9fat/9load is on both machines different from the /386/9load, even though the size is the same... and i thought I installed the version in /n/9fat from disk... For comparison, when I boot from CD, the boot sequence (starting at the pcirouting line) is as follows: pcirouting: South bridge 8086, 248C not found found partition sdD0!cdboot; 34618+1440 using sdD0!cdboot!plan9.ini Plan 9 Startup Menu: etc. Thanks, Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 23:46:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 23:46:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14969 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 23:46:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14965 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 23:46:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 23:46:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F281419991; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail500.nifty.com (mail500.nifty.com [202.248.37.208]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31B6019981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by mail500.nifty.com (8.12.6/3.7W-07/15/02) with ESMTP id g8GEiYNe010739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:44:34 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] runq says error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Moroo Jun To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <45201199e36a5b04f788c78e795f9ce2@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:44:33 +0900 On 2002.09.16, at 21:29, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > Do you have a current version of > /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c and its corresponding binary installed? > Ditto with /sys/src/cmd/auth/cron.c? I updated by replica. After that cron looks fine. cpu% md5sum /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c 5bd6a86976370003bc87f8dcc610d25d /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c cpu% ls -l /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c --rw-rw-r-- M 54 sys sys 740 Jun 29 19:25 /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c cpu% md5sum /bin/ip/rexexec a341b933487e129063a7c698c6f09e6a /bin/ip/rexexec cpu% md5sum /sys/src/cmd/auth/cron.c 51a567a06aac7bfe4d6e274585c74188 /sys/src/cmd/auth/cron.c cpu% ls -l /sys/src/cmd/auth/cron.c --rw-rw-r-- M 54 sys sys 11010 Jun 29 08:04 /sys/src/cmd/auth/cron.c cpu% md5sum /bin/auth/cron b175305f972563af91aea52a5c8c4169 /bin/auth/cron Thank you. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 16 23:49:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 16 23:49:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15012 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Sep 2002 23:49:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15008 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2002 23:49:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Sep 2002 23:49:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEEFE199B6; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B0D5D19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21583 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:46:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8GEknQ12971; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:46:49 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8GEkm910331 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:46:48 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209161446.g8GEkm910331@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] panic in 9load(?) when booting ibm thinkpad r31 In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:16:06 +0200." <200209161316.g8GDG7H10058@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <200209161316.g8GDG7H10058@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:46:48 +0200 Sorry for wasting your time (and mine): I run cmp /386/9load /n/9fat/9load and found differences (as already suggested by the different md5sum) I copied /386/9load to /n/9fat/9load and now things work better. (I earlier put 9load on 9fat using disk/format, don't know why this did not work as expected) Now let's have a look at the vga card. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 00:14:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 00:14:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15239 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 00:14:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15235 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 00:14:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 00:14:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDA1E19995; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB48B199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A244197C0124; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:01:24 -0700 Received: FROM nas.com BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Mon Sep 16 08:01:23 2002 -0700 Message-ID: <3D85F52F.9040309@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting References: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org>, <20020914020958.GA3290@thefrayedknot.armory.com> <3D82C7FB.6C1145B6@null.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:13:51 -0700 Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > like this, but others are fine. I'm using an old ASUS SC200 and a > cheaper, newer generic 810-based PCI controller on my Pentium IIIs > under several different OSes. Could you tell us which card that is? I'm always on the lookout for cheaper. ;) -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 00:32:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 00:32:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15437 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 00:32:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15433 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 00:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 00:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22FB5199BF; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7043D199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8271 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Sep 2002 15:30:00 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020916153000.GB8246@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020914020958.GA3290@thefrayedknot.armory.com> <3D82C7FB.6C1145B6@null.net> <3D85F52F.9040309@nas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D85F52F.9040309@nas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:30:00 -0700 On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 08:13:51AM -0700, Jack Johnson wrote: > Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > >like this, but others are fine. I'm using an old ASUS SC200 and a > >cheaper, newer generic 810-based PCI controller on my Pentium IIIs > >under several different OSes. > > Could you tell us which card that is? symbios 53c810ae it doesnt matter though since the problem was actually a bad nic (i hope i hope i hope!)and I believe i was getting the same problems with ide disks (which is what im using in my 'new' file server). > I'm always on the lookout for cheaper. ;) > cheaper gave me a motherboard with onboard sound and ethernet neither of which i can use because certain sequences of DMA accesses will lock the the motherboard. the only kind of cheap hardware i get now is of the older and free variety. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 00:37:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 00:37:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15480 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 00:37:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15476 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 00:37:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 00:37:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01F54199B7; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from 9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9DD61199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f9bc3d13eaebf12a4bd87139c3fe832@9fs.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-abrdfskwcmvpkaeuxfycmavmzd" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:36:34 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-abrdfskwcmvpkaeuxfycmavmzd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What does the kernel say when it detects the card? I'm not aware of a 53c810ae; there's no manual for it on the lsi logic website, so wonder if the 'e' is relevant. --upas-abrdfskwcmvpkaeuxfycmavmzd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from 9fs.org ([192.168.100.103]) by 9fs.org; Mon Sep 16 16:32:17 BST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by 9fs.org; Mon Sep 16 16:32:17 BST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C812A199B7; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7043D199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8271 invoked by uid 1000); 16 Sep 2002 15:30:00 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file server page faulting Message-ID: <20020916153000.GB8246@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020914020958.GA3290@thefrayedknot.armory.com> <3D82C7FB.6C1145B6@null.net> <3D85F52F.9040309@nas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D85F52F.9040309@nas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:30:00 -0700 On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 08:13:51AM -0700, Jack Johnson wrote: > Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > >like this, but others are fine. I'm using an old ASUS SC200 and a > >cheaper, newer generic 810-based PCI controller on my Pentium IIIs > >under several different OSes. > > Could you tell us which card that is? symbios 53c810ae it doesnt matter though since the problem was actually a bad nic (i hope i hope i hope!)and I believe i was getting the same problems with ide disks (which is what im using in my 'new' file server). > I'm always on the lookout for cheaper. ;) > cheaper gave me a motherboard with onboard sound and ethernet neither of which i can use because certain sequences of DMA accesses will lock the the motherboard. the only kind of cheap hardware i get now is of the older and free variety. --upas-abrdfskwcmvpkaeuxfycmavmzd-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 00:45:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 00:45:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15564 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 00:45:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15559 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 00:45:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 00:45:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2724D199E4; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C49D199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A9851BC90124; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:32:21 -0700 Received: FROM nas.com BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Mon Sep 16 08:32:20 2002 -0700 Message-ID: <3D85FC70.9090602@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0d0db65836132ef87de9dc7bf71f8a33@9fs.org>, <20020914020958.GA3290@thefrayedknot.armory.com> <3D82C7FB.6C1145B6@null.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Writing (new) drivers Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:44:48 -0700 I've never written a device driver and my C skills are poor, but device drivers under Plan 9 seem straightforward and I'm considering taking the plunge. I'd love to have a driver for my 3Ware IDE RAID controller: http://www.3ware.com/products/pdf/Escalade7500DS6-7.qk.pdf (By the way, thanks for the newer ghostscript with ps2pdf and pdf2ps!) The cards are supported under Linux and FreeBSD (and NetBSD too, I believe), so I think I'll have good references to use to figure out where to start. Plus, it behaves as if it were just another SCSI controller, which should simplify things even further. Needless to say, I'm a little nervous mucking around with a drive controller. Is there anything I should watch out for, other than not testing it on important data? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 01:22:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 01:22:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15907 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 01:22:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15903 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 01:22:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 01:22:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEFD4199BC; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2D136199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <541c85407ce34cd8c4beb1bdbe60946e@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Writing (new) drivers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:21:13 -0400 You'll be much happier if you can set up two Plan 9 systems, one as a crash box and one to do your development on. Connect the two with a serial line and ethernet, and then you can load kernels over the ether (set up tftpd and dhcpd on the real machine), boot from your development machine (man kfscmd, look for listen), type at the crash box via the serial line (set up consolefs), and run the debugger over the console (man rdbfs). It sounds like a bit of effort, and it is, but once you try it you'll never want to use a less helpful system. The really nice thing about what I've described is that the crash box has no real persistent state, so you don't have to worry about losing your file system, and being able to keep your editing context while the other machine reboots is really great. I still do one-machine kernel development more often than I'd like, and it's just no fun. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 01:49:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 01:49:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16117 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 01:49:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16113 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 01:49:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 01:49:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66D1B199A3; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FCEB199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A86C20AB0124; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:35:56 -0700 Received: FROM nas.com BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Mon Sep 16 09:35:55 2002 -0700 Message-ID: <3D860B57.9000604@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Writing (new) drivers References: <541c85407ce34cd8c4beb1bdbe60946e@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:48:23 -0700 Russ Cox wrote: > You'll be much happier if you can set up two Plan 9 systems, > one as a crash box and one to do your development on. Thanks! Have you tried that under VMWare? Not that it would help with driver development, but I would think for other kernel work it might be handy. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 01:53:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 01:53:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16157 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 01:53:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16153 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 01:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 01:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AC4A199B7; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8E13F19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Writing (new) drivers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 12:52:20 -0400 > Have you tried that under VMWare? Not that it would help with driver > development, but I would think for other kernel work it might be handy. I've been meaning to, but haven't. I do run Plan 9 under VMware, but I need to get some more memory for my laptop in order to run more VMs. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 02:40:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 02:40:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16502 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 02:40:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16498 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:40:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:40:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18013199B3; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C46D19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA13250 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:38:59 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host 80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17qzpL-0000F4-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:38:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15750.5886.52989.155011@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] VMWare floppy bug Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:38:06 +0200 The floppy on the vmware (running under linux, vmware version 3.1) gives random errors. I have noticed it while making boot floppys using cat ndisk>/dev/fd0. They usually (something like 3 times out of 4) give a CRC error while booting. I also get I/O errors "floppy changed during operation" from the linux kernel (they keep repeating while the vmware is on, but they seem to happen with other os's and I have never had any problem using the floppy with them, though that may be caused by not enough testing). Has anyone noticed this too?. Is it a vmware problem or plan9 problem?. Any idea of how to solve it? Also related with VMWare, is there any way to make plan9 free the cursor when it reaches the margin of the window? (like on windows or linux do when you install thw VMWare tools). To get the cursor trapped is annoying. -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 02:48:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 02:48:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16576 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 02:48:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16572 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:48:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:48:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5822B199B3; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21409.mail.yahoo.com (web21409.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 113B9199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020916174717.40707.qmail@web21409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.204.130.251] by web21409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:47:17 PDT From: William Gunnells To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020915160003.13605.25991.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] help connect a terminal to kfs or Standalone CPU Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) >how are you initializing your factotum? >what does cat /mnt/factotum/ctl print >if you run it on your cpu/auth server? cat/mnt/factotum/ctl reads key dom='' proto=p9sk1 user=bootes !hex? !password? When I boot the cpu/auth I normally don't enter sectore password. I didn't think I needed it yet. This was the default values for factotum. I didn't really know how to edit this file other then echo a new value with I think delkey or something. My terminal bootdisk is bare. I just enter il, and type in auth and fs which is 192.168.0.2 and try to log in with the password I set with auth/changeuser william. I also executed auth/enable william. > Still having trouble with terminal connection to > CPU/Auth kfs. Yes I did rename the files as stated > in > > in cpurc. I did it manualy. Also I'm able to connect > with > con -l 'tcp!kfs!ticket' > (ctl-\, q will quit) > > Very cool command its response was > connected to tcp!kfs!ticket on /net/tcp/20 > > So I suppose my ticket is fine. Here is the exact > error I receive at terminal before it reboots > > > authentication failed (auth_proxy fd: kfs system > error > > ::connection rejected), trying mount anyways > boot: /: authentication failed > kernel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 03:19:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 03:19:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16787 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 03:19:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16783 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 03:19:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 03:19:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB94D1999B; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0474919992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 16 14:18:12 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Mon Sep 16 14:18:11 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <7ae8721a726839596e9bf75621c86f55@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VMWare floppy bug From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:18:06 -0400 > Also related with VMWare, is there any way to make plan9 free the > cursor when it reaches the margin of the window? (like on windows or linux > do when you install thw VMWare tools). To get the cursor trapped is > annoying. Yes, but I have to write the code. I signed an NDA with VMware to get the appropriate bits (I can give out binaries, like aux/isvmware), but I haven't written that code yet. I really want that feature too. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 03:26:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 03:26:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16826 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 03:26:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16822 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 03:26:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 03:26:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BE5619992; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from atilla.mdrconsult.com (mdrconsult.com [24.242.136.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D94119988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 14:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from george.home.org (cs6669202-179.austin.rr.com [66.69.202.179]) by atilla.mdrconsult.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g8GIPHo30706 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:25:17 -0500 Received: from doc (helo=localhost) by george.home.org with local-esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 17r0YZ-0007eo-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:25:11 -0500 From: Doc Shipley To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VMWare floppy bug In-Reply-To: <15750.5886.52989.155011@nanonic.hilbert.space> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 13:25:11 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es wrote: > The floppy on the vmware (running under linux, vmware version 3.1) > gives random errors. I have noticed it while making boot floppys using > cat ndisk>/dev/fd0. They usually (something like 3 times out of 4) > give a CRC error while booting. I also get I/O errors "floppy changed > during operation" from the linux kernel (they keep repeating while the > vmware is on, but they seem to happen with other os's and I have never > had any problem using the floppy with them, though that may be caused > by not enough testing). Has anyone noticed this too?. Is it a vmware > problem or plan9 problem?. Any idea of how to solve it? The I/O errors are a vmware thing. I haven't tried making floppies in the Plan9 VM, but in other clients its mostly harmless. It *is* quite annoying. > Also related with VMWare, is there any way to make plan9 free the > cursor when it reaches the margin of the window? (like on windows or linux > do when you install thw VMWare tools). To get the cursor trapped is > annoying. Only if you can get VMware to write a "Plan9 Toolbox" The utility that does that runs in the VM, not the host OS. Bummer for us. Doc From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 04:30:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 04:30:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17336 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 04:30:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17332 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 04:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 04:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBA01199BC; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52E13199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patton ([12.226.228.159]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020916192934.VIEO23613.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@patton> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:29:34 +0000 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: David Swasey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:29:32 -0400 Hi, The malloc(2) page says: The call realloc(0, size) means the same as `malloc(size)'. Further, the call realloc(ptr, 0) means the same as `free(ptr)'. I suggest you clarify the meaning of realloc(0,0). The manual pages filter(1), mail(1), marshal(1), mlmgr(1), nedmail(1), upasfs(4), pop3(8), send(8), and smtp(8) refer to aliasmail(1) which does not exist. The file /sys/man/8/INDEX.html refers to aliasmail(8) which exists. I suggest you decide if its aliasmail(8) or aliasmail(1) and make the appropriate changes. Upas/fs dies when working with an empty IMAP4 mail box. There are two problems, both in /sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/imap4.c:/^imap4read. First, when imap->nmsg is 0, the erealloc() call will fail. Second, the IMAP4 server I talk to (cyrus) does not like the command "UID FETCH 1:* UID" when there are no messages. My fix was to change the semantics of erealloc(_,0) and to avoid the offending IMAP command. Diffs follow. -dave diff /n/dump/2002/0916/sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/imap4.c imap4.c 557,559c557,561 < imap4cmd(imap, "UID FETCH 1:* UID"); < if(!isokay(s = imap4resp(imap))) < return s; --- > if(imap->nmsg > 0){ > imap4cmd(imap, "UID FETCH 1:* UID"); > if(!isokay(s = imap4resp(imap))) > return s; > } diff /n/dump/2002/0916/sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/mbox.c mbox.c 1358c1358,1362 < p = realloc(p, n); --- > if(n==0){ > free(p); > p = malloc(n); > } else > p = realloc(p, n); From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 05:04:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 05:04:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17589 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 05:04:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17585 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 05:04:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 05:04:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B062199B3; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 61C6D19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 16 16:03:57 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Mon Sep 16 16:03:56 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <174a974c9fe2d8fc8864f3775ea4c050@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VMWare floppy bug From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:03:53 -0400 > > Also related with VMWare, is there any way to make plan9 free the > > cursor when it reaches the margin of the window? (like on windows or linux > > do when you install thw VMWare tools). To get the cursor trapped is > > annoying. > > Only if you can get VMware to write a "Plan9 Toolbox" The utility > that does that runs in the VM, not the host OS. Bummer for us. Not really. I have the documentation I need. Just have to write it. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 07:50:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 07:50:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18547 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 07:50:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18543 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 07:50:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 07:50:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42A42199BC; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5770919995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <93fdfb4133ee076b75afdfaabb720d00@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 9load updated on sources Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:49:46 -0400 9load can now read kfs partitions, so that you can use, e.g., bootfile=sdC0!fs!/386/9pcdisk to boot /386/9pcdisk from your kfs rather than needing to copy kernels to 9fat. enjoy. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 10:59:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 10:59:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23145 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 10:59:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23141 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 10:59:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 10:59:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D449319980; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (orthanc.ab.ca [216.123.203.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF4C919992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 21:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (localhost.orthanc.ab.ca [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8H1wIsl095660 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:58:18 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Message-Id: <200209170158.g8H1wIsl095660@orthanc.ab.ca> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:29:32 EDT." X-Mailer: mh-e 6.1+cvs; MH 6.8.4; Emacs 21.2 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 19:58:18 -0600 >>>>> "David" == David Swasey writes: David> Second, the David> IMAP4 server I talk to (cyrus) does not like the command "UID David> FETCH 1:* UID" when there are no messages. What does "not like" mean in this context? Can you send me an IMAP protocol trace? (Along with the banner from the server.) --lyndon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 11:41:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 11:41:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24500 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 11:41:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24496 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 11:41:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 11:41:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E5C9199B7; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DC2E419991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4168 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 02:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by 0 with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:50:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 02:47:33 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id g8H2dhv236945; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:39:44 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200209170239.g8H2dhv236945@mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:40:12 0900 I noticed boot/pc/memory.c has the line: p = KADDR(0xD0000); /*RSC: changed from 0xC0000 */ but 9/pc/memory.c remains still: p = KADDR(0xC0000); I don't know what I did, but without changing the 9/pc/memory.c according to boot's, 3C562 didn't work on my laptop (MITSUBISHI Pedion). Russ> > I still do one-machine kernel development more often > than I'd like, and it's just no fun. I had to do one-machine kernel investigation in this case for I have only one laptop. It was somewhere between reasonable pain and extreme fun. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 11:59:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 11:59:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25081 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 11:59:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25077 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 11:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 11:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 81219199DD; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B1FC5199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 16 22:58:37 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.254 ([141.154.230.254]) by plan9; Mon Sep 16 22:58:36 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <83ef1091862d5268722d74eff08a0ce5@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:32 -0400 > I noticed boot/pc/memory.c has the line: > p = KADDR(0xD0000); /*RSC: changed from 0xC0000 */ > but 9/pc/memory.c remains still: > p = KADDR(0xC0000); > > I don't know what I did, but without changing the > 9/pc/memory.c according to boot's, 3C562 didn't work > on my laptop (MITSUBISHI Pedion). Sadly I don't remember why I changed that. It was a long time ago. I think umbscan is just flawed at the moment -- we really need to grab the BIOS memory map before we dive into protected mode, and use that instead of guessing at these things. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 12:39:38 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 12:39:38 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26238 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 12:39:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26234 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 12:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 12:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3D13199DD; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50434199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 4065076 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:38:23 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] installing tgz packages Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:39:48 -0400 Where is the best place to extract them / ? What about inferno, where should I extract them ? I created the inferno user according to the directions but to no avail. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 13:20:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 13:20:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27661 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 13:20:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27656 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 13:20:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 13:20:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 300EF19A3E; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id ECA81199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11809 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 04:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by 0 with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 04:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 04:26:36 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id g8H4Ikv240064; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:18:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200209170418.g8H4Ikv240064@mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:19:15 0900 Just allow me to describe my case... > > p = KADDR(0xD0000); /*RSC: changed from 0xC0000 */ : > Sadly I don't remember why I changed that. > It was a long time ago. I think umbscan is just > flawed at the moment umbscan thought that the starting umb address is 0xCA000. But reading the cis mapped at the address ever returned 0xFF. The change fixed the cis reading problem and 3C562 started to work. Thanks. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 13:35:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 13:35:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28060 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 13:35:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28056 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 13:35:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 13:35:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F417199E4; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FF5E19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patton ([12.226.228.159]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020917043451.ZVWU23613.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@patton> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:34:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1a1c6bd5d1263339dd2bb6315eb56c5d@cs.cmu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug From: David Swasey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-fihayebpotfgthraodhppfxape" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:34:50 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-fihayebpotfgthraodhppfxape Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did not spend much time on this and am not an authority on IMAP or upas/fs. I could be wrong. >Can you send me an >IMAP protocol trace? (Along with the banner from the server.) The trace is attached. "8.out" is upas/fs with modified erealloc, with the original imap4read, and with line 794 of imap.c changed to read imap->debug = 1; I modified the trace to hide my password. Let me know if you had something else in mind. >What does "not like" mean in this context? It appears the server closed the connection. Since there is no "<-" in the trace following the UID FETCH command, I think the first Brdline call in imap4resp returned zero. If it helps, I can temporarily deliver my mail elsewhere and give you my password to this IMAP server. -dave --upas-fihayebpotfgthraodhppfxape Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit term% ./8.out -f /imap/postoffice.srv.cs.cmu.edu <- * OK postoffice.srv.cs.cmu.edu Cyrus IMAP4 v1.5.2 server ready -> 9X1 LOGIN swasey *************** <- 9X1 OK User logged in -> 9X2 SELECT Inbox <- * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen) <- * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen \*)] <- * 0 EXISTS <- * 0 RECENT <- * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1031763467] <- 9X2 OK [READ-WRITE] Completed -> 9X3 STATUS Inbox (MESSAGES UIDVALIDITY) <- * STATUS Inbox (MESSAGES 0 UIDVALIDITY 1031763467) <- 9X3 OK Completed -> 9X4 UID FETCH 1:* UID ./8.out: opening mailbox: i/o error term% --upas-fihayebpotfgthraodhppfxape-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 13:59:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 13:59:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28998 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 13:59:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28994 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 13:59:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 13:59:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DFF2199E4; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D30B1199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <07907948d861b158d12a635d5320e3f9@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:58:36 -0400 Thanks for your suggestions. I've updated the man pages and made the fixes to upas/fs. I take back what I said yesterday or the day before about IMAP being much slower than POP. It appears that I fixed that (the overhead I was remembering was due to constantly redialing rather than staying dialed in, but now the code stays dialed in). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 15:02:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 15:02:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30720 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 15:02:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30715 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 15:02:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 15:02:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A48819980; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pop016.verizon.net (pop016pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.173]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0A69199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from powell.name ([4.42.104.33]) by pop016.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020917060057.DMUM15031.pop016.verizon.net@powell.name> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3D86C51A.10801@powell.name> From: Richard Powell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems References: <16ae09d23febb67e322b8460bf3a3970@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop016.verizon.net from [4.42.104.33] using ID at Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:00:57 -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:00:58 -0700 C H Forsyth wrote: >>>additional ether0 messages. It is a Netgear FA312, which is mentioned >>>in the supported hardware list. >> > > can you say which vendor and device IDs show up in the BIOS inventory? > actually, if you've got the system running, you could try the pci command > as well. > Once I rebuilt the kernel with the driver included in the config, I now see this message at boot up: #l0: 83815 100mbps port 0xCC00 irq 10: FFFFFFFFFFFF I tried modifying the srom() function in ether83815.c, to get more info. It looks like all F's is what is being read from the eeprom into the "srom" array. I started to compare it to the linux driver, but not having the spec sheet for the chip makes it hard to know the details. Here is the output from the pci command. 0.13.0 is the FA312 ethernet card. 0.19.0 is the HPT370 ATA-100 chip. 0.0.0: 06.00.00 1106/0391 0 0.1.0: 06.04.00 1106/8391 0 0.13.0: 02.00.00 100b/0020 10 0:0000cc01 256 1:e3000000 4096 0.19.0: 01.80.00 1103/0004 11 0:0000d001 16 1:0000d401 16 2:0000d801 16 3:0000dc01 16 4:0000e001 256 0.7.0: 06.01.00 1106/0686 0 0.7.1: 01.01.8a 1106/0571 255 4:0000c001 16 0.7.2: 0c.03.00 1106/3038 4 4:0000c401 32 0.7.3: 0c.03.00 1106/3038 4 4:0000c801 32 0.7.4: 06.00.00 1106/3057 0 1.0.0: 03.00.00 10de/0110 3 0:e0000000 16777216 1:d8000008 134217728 Here is how Linux shows it: lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8371 [KX133] (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8371 [KX133 AGP] 00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 22) 00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 10) 00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 10) 00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 10) 00:07.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 30) 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller 00:13.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT366 / HPT370 (rev 03) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 MX] (rev a1) lspci -n 00:00.0 Class 0600: 1106:0391 (rev 02) 00:01.0 Class 0604: 1106:8391 00:07.0 Class 0601: 1106:0686 (rev 22) 00:07.1 Class 0101: 1106:0571 (rev 10) 00:07.2 Class 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 10) 00:07.3 Class 0c03: 1106:3038 (rev 10) 00:07.4 Class 0600: 1106:3057 (rev 30) 00:0d.0 Class 0200: 100b:0020 00:13.0 Class 0180: 1103:0004 (rev 03) 01:00.0 Class 0300: 10de:0110 (rev a1) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 17:08:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 17:08:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4787 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 17:08:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4783 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 17:08:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 17:08:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8105D19A06; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DABAC199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6882914d698315da373fac095d3411ee@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qxlvgdcyjtaanhubjsyexzxzir" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:57:27 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qxlvgdcyjtaanhubjsyexzxzir Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i know it's needed on earlier thinkpads, at least, to allow pcmcia cards to work. i remember a frustrating attempt to get a modem card going on the butterfly thinkpad that was resolved by a similar change (once i'd finally noticed that a Linux pcmcia configuration file handled the thinkpad specially and started its equivalent scan at 0xD0000, presumably because the thinkpad has got something else there). --upas-qxlvgdcyjtaanhubjsyexzxzir Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1032236439:20:00795:5; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:20:39 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101749; 17 Sep 2002 4:20 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 300EF19A3E; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id ECA81199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11809 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 04:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by 0 with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 04:29:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 04:26:36 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id g8H4Ikv240064; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:18:46 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200209170418.g8H4Ikv240064@mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:19:15 0900 Just allow me to describe my case... > > p = KADDR(0xD0000); /*RSC: changed from 0xC0000 */ : > Sadly I don't remember why I changed that. > It was a long time ago. I think umbscan is just > flawed at the moment umbscan thought that the starting umb address is 0xCA000. But reading the cis mapped at the address ever returned 0xFF. The change fixed the cis reading problem and 3C562 started to work. Thanks. -- --upas-qxlvgdcyjtaanhubjsyexzxzir-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 17:13:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 17:13:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4940 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 17:13:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4936 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 17:13:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 17:13:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A5F419A0D; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F03C019A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4bbdcaa57e1fcac3cb4f2caf73d2e468@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:02:44 +0100 not having the driver configured would indeed stop it from being recognised! i'd forgotten it wasn't in by default. as to the ethernet address: i've got the spec for the chip but that doesn't always help with the eeprom bits, which vary a bit. that's why i implemented only the variant i could test, although i knew there was another for SiS900. perhaps they've changed the FA312 since i last bought it. i'll get another shortly to see. meanwhile, you could try the method suggested by plan9.ini(8) for the SiS: 83815 National Semiconductor DP83815-based adapters, notably the Netgear FA311, Netgear FA312, and various SiS built-in controllers such as the SiS900. On the SiS controllers, the ethernet address is not detected prop- erly; specify it with an ea= attribute. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 17:16:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 17:16:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5047 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 17:16:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5042 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 17:16:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 17:16:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2228D19A25; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 729F119A25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 04:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04c24a2a5e902d8d245c7e7ff8c70a3e@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:05:57 +0100 i said `perhaps they've changed the FA312 since i last bought it'. i then noticed to my horror that it was over a year ago i did that driver. where did the time go? i'll try buying a current one in case it's different. they do that. alternatively, it might be that timing or access details were somehow wrong from the start. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 18:07:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 18:07:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6660 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 18:07:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6656 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 18:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 18:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34D6919A28; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB53719A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17rE2X-0003KA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:49:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3D8642ED.6BE57EE6@null.net> Organization: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:47:45 GMT David Swasey wrote: > The malloc(2) page says: > The call realloc(0, size) means the same as `malloc(size)'. > Further, the call realloc(ptr, 0) means the same as > `free(ptr)'. > I suggest you clarify the meaning of realloc(0,0). If the intention is to be standard-conforming, then realloc(0,x) is the same as malloc(x) for all x. malloc(0) is required to return either a null pointer or a valid heap pointer (which a strictly conforming program is not allowed to dereference). realloc(p,0) cannot be identical to free(p) since the former returns a value and the latter does not. Presumably it acts as free(p) then does not succeed in allocating a 0-sized new object, thus returns a null pointer. free(0) is required to be a no-op. > diff /n/dump/2002/0916/sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/mbox.c mbox.c > 1358c1358,1362 > < p = realloc(p, n); > --- > > if(n==0){ > > free(p); > > p = malloc(n); > > } else > > p = realloc(p, n); p = realloc(p,n) is almost always a mistake. If the allocation fails, the previous pointer value in p gets replaced by a null pointer value, so you lose the handle to the data that did not get extended (or, rarely, shrunk). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 18:18:47 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 18:18:47 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6883 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 18:18:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6879 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 18:18:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 18:18:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F25E419A2A; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF45D19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 05:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8H9HTx8012218 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:17:30 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8H9HS3T012217 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:17:28 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug Message-ID: <20020917111727.U6063@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <3D8642ED.6BE57EE6@null.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <3D8642ED.6BE57EE6@null.net>; from Douglas A. Gwyn on Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:47:45AM +0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:17:27 +0200 On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:47:45AM +0000, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > > > if(n==0){ > > > free(p); > > > p = malloc(n); > > > } else > > > p = realloc(p, n); > > p = realloc(p,n) is almost always a mistake. If the allocation > fails, the previous pointer value in p gets replaced by a null > pointer value, so you lose the handle to the data that did not > get extended (or, rarely, shrunk). In other words, if (n==0) panic ("zero size"); p = realloc(p, n); is closer to the intent here. Better still char *p0 = realloc(p, n); if (p0 == 0) panic ("realloc failed"); p = p0; would be a lot saner. I forget the semantics, but realloc(p, n) need not return p even if the reallocation succeeds. What I don't know is what happens to the space pointed to by p, I assume it's released. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 20:59:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 20:59:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9089 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 20:59:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9085 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 20:59:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 20:59:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 413C0199BF; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACFD219980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx10.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 2497796 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:58:50 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] Can`t install inferno Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:00:17 -0400 I downloaded inferno.tgz and Plan9.tgz cp`d them to plan9 machine and extracted them to /usr/glenda/build edited /adm/users created /usr/inferno extracted the tgz files to /usr/glenda/build ran rc /usr/glenda/build/install/Plan9.rc -u /usr/inferno got libinit: open /dev/conctl: permission denied keyboard rawon (n=-1, fd out of range or not open) initialize Dis: /dis/emuinit.dis installation complete. All I get is the LICENSE in /usr/inferno. Any help ? All I have done is install the base system and Python ( Thanks to Russ) Should I use the adduser command so I don`t have to make the usr/inferno dir ? Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 21:31:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 21:31:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9390 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 21:31:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9386 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:31:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:31:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70A1B19A05; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from goliat.eik.bme.hu (goliat.eik.bme.hu [152.66.115.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E067619995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix, from userid 455) id BF1E14808B; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:30:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9CB5378A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:30:37 +0200 (MEST) From: FODEMESI Gergely X-X-Sender: fgergo@goliat To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t install inferno In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:30:37 +0200 (MEST) If you want to use inferno under 4e plan9, you have to download a full distribution and the latest (experimental) update and use the emu from the update to install inferno. Otherwise it will only copy the license file. 1. download the 18.06.2001 release (inferno.tgz, plan9.tgz) 2. unpack both (read release notes) 3. download the update files from 15.07.2002 (inferno.tgz, plan9.tgz) 4. unpack both (read release notes) 5. rename emu binary from 18.06.2001 release to emu.old 6. rename emu.new (from 15.07.2002) release to emu I can't comment on the permission denied message. hope this helps: gergo ps: acme won't work: you probably can't get it running under 4e plan9 without sources. (It is an experimental release) On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Adrian wrote: > I downloaded inferno.tgz and Plan9.tgz > cp`d them to plan9 machine and extracted them to > /usr/glenda/build > edited /adm/users > created /usr/inferno > extracted the tgz files to /usr/glenda/build > ran rc /usr/glenda/build/install/Plan9.rc -u /usr/inferno > got > libinit: open /dev/conctl: permission denied > keyboard rawon (n=-1, fd out of range or not open) > initialize Dis: /dis/emuinit.dis > installation complete. > All I get is the LICENSE in /usr/inferno. > > Any help ? > All I have done is install the base system and Python ( Thanks to Russ) > Should I use the adduser command so I don`t have to make the usr/inferno dir > ? > > Adrian > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 21:44:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 21:44:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9508 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 21:44:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9504 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB41919A08; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3B04319988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24-197-148-57.charterga.net ([24.197.148.57]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 125 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:46:49 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Can`t install inferno Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:44:34 -0400 Charon is only available with inferno correct ? Where do you unpack other items like gnubin.tgz ? -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of FODEMESI Gergely Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:31 AM To: 9fans Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t install inferno If you want to use inferno under 4e plan9, you have to download a full distribution and the latest (experimental) update and use the emu from the update to install inferno. Otherwise it will only copy the license file. 1. download the 18.06.2001 release (inferno.tgz, plan9.tgz) 2. unpack both (read release notes) 3. download the update files from 15.07.2002 (inferno.tgz, plan9.tgz) 4. unpack both (read release notes) 5. rename emu binary from 18.06.2001 release to emu.old 6. rename emu.new (from 15.07.2002) release to emu I can't comment on the permission denied message. hope this helps: gergo ps: acme won't work: you probably can't get it running under 4e plan9 without sources. (It is an experimental release) On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Adrian wrote: > I downloaded inferno.tgz and Plan9.tgz > cp`d them to plan9 machine and extracted them to > /usr/glenda/build > edited /adm/users > created /usr/inferno > extracted the tgz files to /usr/glenda/build > ran rc /usr/glenda/build/install/Plan9.rc -u /usr/inferno > got > libinit: open /dev/conctl: permission denied > keyboard rawon (n=-1, fd out of range or not open) > initialize Dis: /dis/emuinit.dis > installation complete. > All I get is the LICENSE in /usr/inferno. > > Any help ? > All I have done is install the base system and Python ( Thanks to Russ) > Should I use the adduser command so I don`t have to make the usr/inferno dir > ? > > Adrian > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 21:55:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 21:55:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9629 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 21:55:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9625 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 21:55:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 21:55:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EE9219A2D; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from goliat.eik.bme.hu (goliat.eik.bme.hu [152.66.115.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 276B519A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix, from userid 455) id 4F6F84808B; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:54:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by goliat.eik.bme.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6335378A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:54:26 +0200 (MEST) From: FODEMESI Gergely X-X-Sender: fgergo@goliat To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Can`t install inferno In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:54:26 +0200 (MEST) > Charon is only available with inferno correct ? yes. > Where do you unpack other items like gnubin.tgz ? have a look at this: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=gnubin.tgz&hl=hu&lr= &ie=UTF-8&inlang=pl&selm=e84c4356877deef5e112ff788294340d%40 plan9.bell-labs.com&rnum=1 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 17 22:30:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 17 22:30:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10021 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Sep 2002 22:30:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10017 invoked from network); 17 Sep 2002 22:30:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Sep 2002 22:30:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3337F19A2F; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 14F3B1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45643264451dadf7b26404d52daa17a5@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:28:59 -0400 > p = realloc(p,n) is almost always a mistake. If the allocation > fails, the previous pointer value in p gets replaced by a null > pointer value, so you lose the handle to the data that did not > get extended (or, rarely, shrunk). maybe this is what lucio was getting at, but when the next line is if(p == 0) sysfatal("out of memory"); then it doesn't really matter that we've lost the old p. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 00:15:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 00:15:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11128 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 00:15:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11124 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 00:15:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 00:15:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E079F199B6; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F6B719A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01468 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:13:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8HFDxQ20724; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:13:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8HFDvj14531 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:13:58 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209171513.g8HFDvj14531@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:57:27 +0100." <6882914d698315da373fac095d3411ee@caldo.demon.co.uk> References: <6882914d698315da373fac095d3411ee@caldo.demon.co.uk> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:13:57 +0200 On the thinkpad R31 I'm playing with right now the wavelan is not recognized. I wonder whether this (well-timed :-) thread gave me the explanation and the fix. I'll try it and report the result. Axel. > i know it's needed on earlier thinkpads, at least, to allow pcmcia > cards to work. i remember a frustrating attempt to get a modem card > going on the butterfly thinkpad that was resolved by a similar change > (once i'd finally noticed that a Linux pcmcia configuration file > handled the thinkpad specially and started its equivalent scan at > 0xD0000, presumably because the thinkpad has got something else there). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 00:35:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 00:35:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11529 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 00:35:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11525 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 00:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 00:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B57F719A2D; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0A561998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 11:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A8A910550138; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:22:17 -0700 Received: FROM nas.com BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Tue Sep 17 08:22:16 2002 -0700 Message-ID: <3D874B96.2020204@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems References: <04c24a2a5e902d8d245c7e7ff8c70a3e@caldo.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:34:46 -0700 Charles Forsyth wrote: > driver. where did the time go? i'll try buying a current one in case > it's different. they do that. Poor NetGear. They never seem to recognize a good thing when they build it. I'm a big fan of the (now defunct) FA310, which started with me buying a couple on a whim, loving their performance (especially with netatalk), then purchasing a few more only to find the chipset changed, and now nearly unable to find a card still in production that uses the DEC chipset. But, even the latter revisions of their DEC clone chipset card were OK, but then they swapped the whole line out for the FA312, which pales in comparison. So now it looks like 3Com for me. I've had nothing but grief with Intel and multicast. Are there cards you would prefer to shun with Plan 9? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 04:11:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 04:11:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13280 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 04:11:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13276 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 04:11:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 04:11:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C689119A0D; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21403.mail.yahoo.com (web21403.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.73]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E181A1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020917191007.2197.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.204.130.251] by web21403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:10:07 PDT From: William Gunnells To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020917160005.28078.60230.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] cpu/auth auth/changeuser problems Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Sorry to bug you with newbie questions. As I progress I'm finding out that most of my problems result in either having a bad bootes password and or improper usage of auth/changeuser. After following the wiki documentation for cpu/auth I try to auth/changeuser to add bootes and william. I have noticed that my /mnt/keys directory is all wacked up. So I'm going in an endless circle of manual running auth/keyfs -wp -m /mnt/keys /adm/keys >/dev/null >[2=1] and auth/changeuser. So What's the proper order. How do I correct this. I receive a bad character in file name under /mnt/keys. Do I have to also run auth/enable whatever_user also. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 04:45:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 04:45:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13490 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 04:45:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13486 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 04:45:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 04:45:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 698A6199B7; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A725C199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 10.0.1.141 ([10.0.1.141]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 140 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:47:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001501c25e80$4095d020$8d01000a@esc> From: "adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t install inferno MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 15:27:24 -0400 Thank you I really appreciate the help. I think it`s the little things that have slowed growth, I`ll try to document my experiences a little and when I get better , add to the Wiki. Once again Thanks to you and Russ. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "FODEMESI Gergely" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [9fans] Can`t install inferno > > > Charon is only available with inferno correct ? > yes. > > > Where do you unpack other items like gnubin.tgz ? > > have a look at this: > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=gnubin.tgz&hl=hu&lr= > &ie=UTF-8&inlang=pl&selm=e84c4356877deef5e112ff788294340d%40 > plan9.bell-labs.com&rnum=1 > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 05:09:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 05:09:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13665 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 05:09:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13661 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 05:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 05:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F8BE199D5; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8AFD19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:08:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8HK8fQ14663; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:08:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8HK8bl15305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:08:37 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209172008.g8HK8bl15305@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:13:57 +0200." <200209171513.g8HFDvj14531@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <6882914d698315da373fac095d3411ee@caldo.demon.co.uk> <200209171513.g8HFDvj14531@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:08:37 +0200 I tried (changed /sys/src/9/pc/memory.c) and the wavelan works now on the R31. I did not yet check if this change makes a difference (in a negative way) on `my' other systems. W.r.t. the R31: Unfortunately, vga does not work (yet?) (tried the i81x driver). (the screen changes color slowly in a (when I saw it first time) disturbing way -- not everything changes at the same time -- until I end up with a white/grey screen. no mouse, no menus) Axel. > On the thinkpad R31 I'm playing with right now the wavelan is not > recognized. I wonder whether this (well-timed :-) thread gave me > the explanation and the fix. I'll try it and report the result. > > Axel. > > > i know it's needed on earlier thinkpads, at least, to allow pcmcia > > cards to work. i remember a frustrating attempt to get a modem card > > going on the butterfly thinkpad that was resolved by a similar change > > (once i'd finally noticed that a Linux pcmcia configuration file > > handled the thinkpad specially and started its equivalent scan at > > 0xD0000, presumably because the thinkpad has got something else there). > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 05:19:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 05:19:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13740 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 05:19:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13736 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 05:19:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 05:19:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C600199EE; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (orthanc.ab.ca [216.123.203.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27AEE199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (localhost.orthanc.ab.ca [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8HKIjsl057973 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:18:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Message-Id: <200209172018.g8HKIjsl057973@orthanc.ab.ca> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 00:34:50 EDT." <1a1c6bd5d1263339dd2bb6315eb56c5d@cs.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: mh-e 6.1+cvs; MH 6.8.4; Emacs 21.2 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:18:44 -0600 We have both client and server bugs here. -> 9X2 SELECT Inbox <- * FLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen) <- * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Answered \Flagged \Draft \Deleted \Seen \*)] <- * 0 EXISTS <- * 0 RECENT <- * OK [UIDVALIDITY 1031763467] <- 9X2 OK [READ-WRITE] Completed Notice how the server states there are no messages in the mailbox. -> 9X3 STATUS Inbox (MESSAGES UIDVALIDITY) This command should not be issued, for several reasons. 1) The SELECT response already told the client the number of messages. 2) The SELECT response already told the client the uidvalidity of the mailbox. 3) Queries to the currently selected folder should be done using FETCH and LIST. STATUS is for querying folders other than the selected one, and is not guaranteed to be fast. (In many servers, selecting a folder causes the meta data about the folder to assembled and cached. SELECT will not use that data cache since its assuming you want to know something about a folder other than the selected one.) <- * STATUS Inbox (MESSAGES 0 UIDVALIDITY 1031763467) <- 9X3 OK Completed And *again* the server said there were no messages, thus -> 9X4 UID FETCH 1:* UID is completely bogus. That message range is invalid, and the client should know that. However, the server should be responding with something like 9X4 BAD Invalid sequence in FETCH instead of dumping core (and that's the server bug I mentioned). --lyndon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 05:38:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 05:38:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13907 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 05:38:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13903 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 05:38:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 05:38:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE6D519980; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37FC21998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09569 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8HKbgQ16455; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:42 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8HKbcJ15471 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:38 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209172037.g8HKbcJ15471@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:08:37 +0200." <200209172008.g8HK8bl15305@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <6882914d698315da373fac095d3411ee@caldo.demon.co.uk> <200209171513.g8HFDvj14531@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> <200209172008.g8HK8bl15305@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:37:38 +0200 Oops. I did not combine using the wavelan and trying to use the i81x driver. If I do have a wavelan in the pcmcia slot and I let aux/vga be run (trying i81x on thinkpad R31, mouseport ps2, vgasize 640x480x8, monitor xga) I get: panic: mmuwalk2: va 80526000 entry 4001E3 ktrace /kernel/path 80106720 807bf234 [11 lines of numbers omitted] cpu0: exiting Booting the same kernel, but without wavelan, or without running aux/vga (e.g. by specifying mouseport 'a a') does not give the panic. The kernel is newer than the remainder of the system. I'll update the machine from sources and retry. Axel. I wrote: > I tried (changed /sys/src/9/pc/memory.c) > and the wavelan works now on the R31. > I did not yet check if this change makes a difference > (in a negative way) on `my' other systems. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 07:05:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 07:05:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14508 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 07:05:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14504 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 07:05:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 07:05:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B31D19992; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 352161998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b2d0cba0ec72119063d975d74e0ddae@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: David Gordon Hogan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:04:56 -0400 > Oops. I did not combine using the wavelan and trying > to use the i81x driver. If I do have a wavelan in the > pcmcia slot and I let aux/vga be run (trying i81x on > thinkpad R31, mouseport ps2, vgasize 640x480x8, monitor xga) > I get: > > panic: mmuwalk2: va 80526000 entry 4001E3 The i81x driver uses mmuwalk() to get the PTE of a single page that it allocates for the hardware cursor. It needs this to mark the memory as uncached, otherwise the hardware cursor won't update correctly. Unfortunately, this strategy only works if the cursor is allocated in the first 4M of memory. After that, it isn't possible to single out an individual page in the kernel virtual mapping. Hence the panic. I'm not sure how to fix this. It might be neccesary to change the page table to make the appropriate 4M region use a level 2 page table. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 07:09:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 07:09:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14539 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 07:09:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14535 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 07:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 07:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EEAD199EE; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 62552199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3873 invoked by uid 991); 17 Sep 2002 22:08:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020917220806.3872.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-Reply-To: Message from David Gordon Hogan of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:04:56 EDT." <7b2d0cba0ec72119063d975d74e0ddae@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:08:06 -0400 | page that it allocates for the hardware cursor. Can someone remind me why we can't use software cursors in 4e? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 07:57:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 07:57:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14885 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 07:57:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14881 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 07:57:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 07:57:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 708E9199DD; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BE966199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61e4f3c55b0993e14dde2692d5b527f3@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-aowfneozmcxskfekrnpajabrdm" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:56:39 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-aowfneozmcxskfekrnpajabrdm Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Because the code was hideous (the mouse is hideous enough as is) and because almost all VGAs in use have hardware support. The mouse needs its Nth complete rethink, given the advent of USB mice. It's someone else's turn, though. -rob --upas-aowfneozmcxskfekrnpajabrdm Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 17 18:09:17 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Sep 17 18:09:16 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC68F199E4; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 62552199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3873 invoked by uid 991); 17 Sep 2002 22:08:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20020917220806.3872.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-Reply-To: Message from David Gordon Hogan of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:04:56 EDT." <7b2d0cba0ec72119063d975d74e0ddae@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:08:06 -0400 | page that it allocates for the hardware cursor. Can someone remind me why we can't use software cursors in 4e? --upas-aowfneozmcxskfekrnpajabrdm-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 07:59:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 07:59:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14903 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 07:59:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14899 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 07:59:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 07:59:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA480199EE; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 479AB19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 17 18:58:10 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Tue Sep 17 18:58:09 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <50a10e3a67a87a1a71444a583268d38a@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 18:58:06 -0400 > Can someone remind me why we can't use software cursors in 4e? Because the code doesn't exist. Usually the code also complicates lots of other aspects of the system, so it's been easier just to implement the hardware cursor drivers. If I ever really want VESA-based drivers, I'll need a software cursor implementation. I have some ideas about doing it without complicating everything else, but they're not particularly well formed. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 08:06:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 08:06:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14950 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 08:06:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14946 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 08:06:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 08:06:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 748F519A0D; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1530F1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 17 19:05:40 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Tue Sep 17 19:05:39 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:35 -0400 > We have both client and server bugs here. Thanks for your pointers. The IMAP client code has been cobbled together by a few people (myself included) who knew nothing about IMAP before working on it, so it's not surprising that these inefficiencies exist. > And *again* the server said there were no messages, thus > > -> 9X4 UID FETCH 1:* UID > > is completely bogus. That message range is invalid, and the client > should know that. However, the server should be responding with > something like > > 9X4 BAD Invalid sequence in FETCH I don't see why it's invalid and not just empty, but I agree that it is inefficient for the client to be sending it. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 08:15:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 08:15:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14988 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 08:15:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14984 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 08:15:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 08:15:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A8AF19A2D; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 131BA19A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0228435e85db81c478249ac5b9e1a6ca@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:13:59 -0400 > Can someone remind me why we can't use software cursors in 4e? Another way of saying is that when the draw code was written, replacing the bitblt driver, software cursors were left out in order to simplify things. If you don't attempt to remove support for old cruft, it accumulates forever. Complete rewrites are an excellent opportunity to eliminate unnecessary compatibilities, and I think the case for software cursors remains weak unless you're in the 0.1% of the population that needs the support. How much complexity should the kernel have - and require people to maintain - for low-deployment devices? -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 08:43:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 08:43:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15271 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15267 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C35FA19A33; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D975619A31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA26876 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:42:01 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host 80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17rRyE-0001GQ-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:41:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15751.48554.242935.391048@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-Reply-To: <50a10e3a67a87a1a71444a583268d38a@plan9.bell-labs.com>:Russ Cox's message of 18:58:06 Tuesday,17 September 2002 References: <50a10e3a67a87a1a71444a583268d38a@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:41:30 +0200 Russ Cox writes: > Usually the code also complicates lots of other > aspects of the system, so it's been easier just to > implement the hardware cursor drivers. If I ever > really want VESA-based drivers, I'll need a software > cursor implementation. Isn't always there the possibility to add a hwcursor also?. I think hw cursors are directly supported by VESA standards, but I think one thing is independant from another. Isn't it possible to use VESA for mode switching or whatever and reduce the code you have to write for the card to write the hwcursor support?. >I have some ideas about > doing it without complicating everything else, > but they're not particularly well formed. Another question. What is the software cursor really necessary for? (other than in vmware). Do there really exist modern cards which don't support hardware cursor?. -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 10:28:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 10:28:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18586 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 10:28:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18582 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 10:28:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 10:28:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50A4A199B7; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E3CAD19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9e103fd1a1d109673ba2d676e8950368@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:26:58 -0400 > Isn't always there the possibility to add a hwcursor also?. I think hw > cursors are directly supported by VESA standards, but I think one > thing is independant from another. Isn't it possible to use VESA for > mode switching or whatever and reduce the code you have to write for > the card to write the hwcursor support?. VESA actually says nothing about hardware cursors last I checked; if you're going the VESA route you really want to reduce the necessary code to zero. There's an important qualitative difference between zero and non-zero. Mainly, people who don't write drivers are still up to the task of writing zero lines of code. > Another question. What is the software cursor really necessary for? > (other than in vmware). Do there really exist modern cards > which don't support hardware cursor?. Full-screen VMware is another thing I'd forgotten about. But yes, most modern cards have hardware cursors. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 11:07:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 11:07:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19701 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 11:07:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19697 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 11:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 11:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 507A4199B3; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (orthanc.ab.ca [216.123.203.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D3B719995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (localhost.orthanc.ab.ca [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8I26fl0000579 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:06:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Message-Id: <200209180206.g8I26fl0000579@orthanc.ab.ca> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:05:35 EDT." X-Mailer: mh-e 6.1+cvs; MH 6.8.4; Emacs 21.2 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:06:41 -0600 -> 9X4 UID FETCH 1:* UID >> 9X4 BAD Invalid sequence in FETCH Russ> I don't see why it's invalid and not just empty, Because the protocol provides other means for discovering how many messages are in a folder. The client is responsible for determining the state of the mailbox. Having done so, it should never be in a position where it issues a FETCH when there are no messages present. The IMAP4 protocol specification is very picky about syntax. It (and most server implementations) don't allow for *any* reading-in of semantic (or syntactic) behaviour. (Another example of this is the illegality of inserting extra whitespace between protocol elements.) Some people (usually client authors) complain that this is just a pain in the rear. Others (usually server authors) think it's a wonderful way to avoid ambiguous behaviour in the protocol. (For the record: I'm a server author ;-) If I ever get my P9 network re-built I plan to fix up the IMAP code. --lyndon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 11:58:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 11:58:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21212 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 11:58:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21208 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 11:58:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 11:58:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EC3B1999B; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:58:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DAB6919992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 22:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4834 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Sep 2002 02:56:03 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020918025603.GA4827@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] multiprocessor Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:56:03 -0700 I have an older system that claims to be able to run two processors. Its an ast premmia gx p/90 (stunning i know). Ive got two p90's in it and the jumpers set properly, the kernel i built for it has the arch mp apic line in the misc section also. But alas I cannot get it to find both processors. Is this because of intel's pathetic attempts at smp early on? or is there something else i may be missing? thanks From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 12:23:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 12:23:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21829 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 12:23:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21825 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:23:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:23:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D656199BF; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cosym.net (peter.sys.9srv.net [64.7.3.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F00D2199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: anothy@cosym.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] multiprocessor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020918032201.F00D2199E4@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:21:29 -0400 at the risk of pointing out the obvious, can we assume you've removed the nomp line from plan9.ini (and that you're using the correct plan9.ini)? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 12:41:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 12:41:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22297 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 12:41:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22293 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 12:41:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 12:41:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5195199B6; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 86C6E19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4893 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Sep 2002 03:39:30 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] multiprocessor Message-ID: <20020918033930.GA4889@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020918032201.F00D2199E4@mail.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020918032201.F00D2199E4@mail.cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:39:30 -0700 of course. On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:21:29PM -0400, anothy@cosym.net wrote: > at the risk of pointing out the obvious, can we > assume you've removed the nomp line from plan9.ini > (and that you're using the correct plan9.ini)? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 13:19:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 13:19:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23459 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 13:19:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23455 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:19:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:19:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46DF7199E4; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73DB81999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8I4ISx8014852 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:18:28 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8I4IQJf014851 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:18:26 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c Message-ID: <20020918061825.B6063@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0228435e85db81c478249ac5b9e1a6ca@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <0228435e85db81c478249ac5b9e1a6ca@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from rob pike, esq. on Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 07:13:59PM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:18:25 +0200 On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 07:13:59PM -0400, rob pike, esq. wrote: > How much complexity should the kernel have - and require people to > maintain - for low-deployment devices? > Only as much as can't be put somewhere else. That's the problem with a monolithic kernel: _everything_ that needs to be in there will eventually appear in it. Was it dhog that was working on loadable kernel drivers? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 13:41:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 13:41:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24092 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 13:41:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24088 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:41:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:41:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D606199BF; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2884E1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17rWgJ-0008BH-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:43:19 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020918044319.GA31377@ragnartech.net> References: <20020918025603.GA4827@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020918025603.GA4827@thefrayedknot.armory.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Subject: [9fans] Ultrasparc II Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:43:19 -0500 I've located the Ultrasparc II User's Guide, which has a nice 28 page section on MMU internals. Some of the mechanisms are pretty similar to sparcv8. Has anyone out there worked on a sparcv9 compiler? -- for those who care about sparc64 plan 9 peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 13:50:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 13:50:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24321 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 13:50:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24317 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 13:50:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 13:50:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49D6F199BE; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 72A1419988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 00:49:08 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 00:49:07 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:49:03 -0400 we already have loadable kernel modules. they are called user-level file servers. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 14:01:42 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 14:01:42 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24632 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 14:01:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24627 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:01:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:01:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D27E199B6; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AE91419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:59:53 -0700 Is there any need for a separate sparc v9 compiler? I thought v9 sparcs ran v8 programs. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 14:04:07 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 14:04:07 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24709 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 14:03:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24695 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:03:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:03:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41D71199BF; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB95E19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8I52sx8014923 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:02:54 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8I52sZi014922 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:02:54 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c Message-ID: <20020918070252.C6063@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Russ Cox on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 12:49:03AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:02:52 +0200 On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 12:49:03AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > > we already have loadable kernel modules. > they are called user-level file servers. Agreed. But they have to straddle the user-kernel context, at a price - Microsoft tried to keep graphics out the kernel, with well known results (NT 3.51). Being able to add kernel-level file servers would be an interesting proposition, although I would have trouble understanding the concept :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 14:32:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 14:32:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25434 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 14:32:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25430 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 14:32:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 14:32:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71ABD199D5; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AB04199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA32110 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:31:55 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host 80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17rXQq-0000GA-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:31:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15752.4011.805533.87501@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-Reply-To: <9e103fd1a1d109673ba2d676e8950368@plan9.bell-labs.com>:Russ Cox's message of 21:26:58 Tuesday,17 September 2002 References: <9e103fd1a1d109673ba2d676e8950368@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:31:23 +0200 Russ Cox writes: > VESA actually says nothing about hardware cursors > last I checked; if you're going the VESA route you > really want to reduce the necessary code to zero. > There's an important qualitative difference > between zero and non-zero. Mainly, people who > don't write drivers are still up to the task of > writing zero lines of code. Taken from www.vesa.org/standards.htm. this is the reason I thought VESA standards supported hw cursors... August 1996 VBE/AF Standard 1.0: The VBE/AF 1.0 defines the interface of a new operating system portable, loadable device driver architecture that will provide access to accelerated graphics hardware. Some of the accelerator functions supported include hardware cursors, multi buffering, solid and transparent off-screen bitmaps, rectangel filling, line drawing and polygon filling. I found the part of writing the hw cursor support for the sis630 the easy part of the driver, though. That is why I said that mode switching or whatever could be done using VESA and add the specific code of the hw cursor appart. By the way if you are writing a VESA driver and I can help in any way (even with my lack of knowledge), tell me. I have given a lot of thought to it. -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 15:38:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 15:38:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27502 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 15:38:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27497 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 15:38:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 15:38:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F2FE199B6; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A46719992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17rYVI-0008HO-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:40:04 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II Message-ID: <20020918064004.GA31754@ragnartech.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:40:04 -0500 > Is there any need for a separate sparc v9 compiler? I thought v9 > sparcs ran v8 programs. Only if there is no distinct difference between need and `hopes and desires' v9 does run v8 code, but v8 is 32-bit where v9 is 64. My understanding is that plan 9 doesn't run on newer suns because the needed drivers aren't there for newer devices, including the sparc v9 mmu. But a 64-bit implementation would be nice. Am I wrong in thinking plan 9 would run well on 64-bit sparc v9, or have I missed something? peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 15:50:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 15:50:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27844 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 15:50:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27839 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 15:50:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 15:50:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E39D199D5; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0089E19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7391233b619c132580f12d5171806df5@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 23:49:52 -0700 So far the Plan 9 compilers implement a 64-bit long long type but nobody has yet tried making pointers 64 bits. Even the alpha port uses 32-bit addressing. Nobody here but the biologists has yet been complaining about feeling squeezed in a 32-bit address space. If one were to make a v9 sparc port use 64-bit addressing, I think the existing compiler or loader would just need an option to generate the new v9 instructions for 64-bit operands; I can't see the point of a distinct v9 compiler. But a quick glance at the differences between sparc v8 and v9 suggests that the real fun would be in the kernel anyway. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 16:17:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 16:17:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28737 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 16:17:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28731 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 16:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 16:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E730B199E8; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 00B5919988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zksztssjltxklcpthapvgamxde" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:05:23 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zksztssjltxklcpthapvgamxde Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit initially i'd be inclined to keep the amount of 64-bit code to a minimum, by running the processor in 32-bit mode, as i as i believe was done on the alpha. that way you get something reasonably pleasant sooner. --upas-zksztssjltxklcpthapvgamxde Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1032325281:10:26429:5; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 05:01:21 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105989; 18 Sep 2002 5:01 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D27E199B6; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AE91419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 01:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:59:53 -0700 Is there any need for a separate sparc v9 compiler? I thought v9 sparcs ran v8 programs. --upas-zksztssjltxklcpthapvgamxde-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 16:35:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 16:35:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29241 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 16:35:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29237 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 16:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 16:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACD7F199E8; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F21619992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 03:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17rZOt-0008K7-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:37:31 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II Message-ID: <20020918073731.GA31936@ragnartech.net> References: <7391233b619c132580f12d5171806df5@collyer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7391233b619c132580f12d5171806df5@collyer.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:37:31 -0500 > So far the Plan 9 compilers implement a 64-bit long long type but > nobody has yet tried making pointers 64 bits. Even the alpha port Duely noted. I was going to ask about that, since the tlb miss handler might need them. > If one were to make a v9 sparc port use 64-bit addressing, I think the > existing compiler or loader would just need an option to generate the > new v9 instructions for 64-bit operands; I can't see the point of a > distinct v9 compiler. But a quick glance at the differences between > sparc v8 and v9 suggests that the real fun would be in the kernel > anyway. hmm. I ordered a copy of the sparc architecture manual, version 9. Meanwhile, maybe I should look at the compiler/linker source code. peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 17:52:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 17:52:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31216 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 17:52:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31212 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 17:52:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 17:52:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BB111999B; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 04:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88A4019981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 04:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17raMQ-000169-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:39:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3D87DF03.9736895E@null.net> Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <20020917111727.U6063@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:37:18 GMT Lucio De Re wrote: > char *p0 = realloc(p, n); > if (p0 == 0) > panic ("realloc failed"); > p = p0; > would be a lot saner. I forget the semantics, but realloc(p, n) need > not return p even if the reallocation succeeds. What I don't know is > what happens to the space pointed to by p, I assume it's released. Actually you don't have to be very careful if you're going to abort anyway. (Although the returned pointer needs to be checked, even for a shrink request.) But if you want to recover more intelligently, you don't want to lose the old pointer if the realloc fails; either the old data needs to be retained (so you need to use the old pointer) or else you want to free the old storage (otherwise you have a memory leak, which will exacerbate the tight-storage situation). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 20:36:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 20:36:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1313 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 20:36:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1309 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 20:36:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 20:36:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17BB3199DD; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5777319992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 07:35:18 EDT 2002 Received: from [10.149.2.206] ([216.155.167.34]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 07:35:15 EDT 2002 From: "rob pike, esq." To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c Message-ID: <215053804.1032352923@[10.149.2.206]> In-Reply-To: <20020918061825.B6063@cackle.proxima.alt.za> References: <20020918061825.B6063@cackle.proxima.alt.za> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:42:05 -0400 That wasn't my point. My point was that I don't consider an absolute necessity that every possible device be supported. I favor simplicity and maintainability over universality. -rob --On Wednesday, September 18, 2002 6:18 AM +0200 Lucio De Re wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 07:13:59PM -0400, rob pike, esq. wrote: >> How much complexity should the kernel have - and require people to >> maintain - for low-deployment devices? >> > Only as much as can't be put somewhere else. That's the problem with > a monolithic kernel: _everything_ that needs to be in there will > eventually appear in it. > > Was it dhog that was working on loadable kernel drivers? > > ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 20:40:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 20:40:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1340 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 20:40:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1336 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 20:40:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 20:40:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96FF2199B7; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BC33319980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:38:59 -0400 > VBE/AF Standard 1.0 Right. If I recall correctly and nothing has changed since then (neither is overwhemlingly likely; it was 1999), most cards don't bother implementing this part of the standard. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 20:42:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 20:42:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1383 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 20:42:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1379 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 20:42:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 20:42:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CB8419A00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 055E419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 07:41:31 EDT 2002 Received: from [10.149.2.206] ([216.155.167.34]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 07:41:28 EDT 2002 From: "rob pike, esq." To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II Message-ID: <215424129.1032353293@[10.149.2.206]> In-Reply-To: <20020918064004.GA31754@ragnartech.net> References: <20020918064004.GA31754@ragnartech.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:48:18 -0400 To put it bluntly, Plan 9 is not a 64-bit system. In particular, the kernel is strongly a 32-bit environment, not that we're proud of that fact. Changing the system to use 64 bit pointers would require some major changes to break various symmetries that were, for better or worse, thought reasonable when the system was first written, such as value equivalence of pointers and integers. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 20:58:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 20:58:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1557 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 20:58:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1553 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 20:58:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 20:58:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C428199B6; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 237A3199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 07:57:03 EDT 2002 Received: from [10.149.2.206] ([216.155.167.34]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 07:57:00 EDT 2002 From: "rob pike, esq." To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] manual suggestions and upas/fs bug Message-ID: <216360284.1032354229@[10.149.2.206]> In-Reply-To: <200209180206.g8I26fl0000579@orthanc.ab.ca> References: <200209180206.g8I26fl0000579@orthanc.ab.ca> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:03:50 -0400 > (For the record: I'm a server author ;-) > > If I ever get my P9 network re-built I plan to fix up the IMAP > code. Great. For the record, the upas/fs implementation of IMAP is something of a hack; of more interest to me is the correctness of the stand-alone IMAP server, imap4d. (I'm using it as I write this.) It's been tested - and fixed - against a number of clients but it was written by someone learning IMAP as he went, so I'm sure it's still got some issues. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 21:09:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 21:09:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1687 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 21:09:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1683 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 21:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 21:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4C9819A00; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62A3419991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8IC8Ix8015685 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:08:21 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8IC8Gor015684 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:08:16 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c Message-ID: <20020918140813.Q15130@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020918061825.B6063@cackle.proxima.alt.za> <215053804.1032352923@[10.149.2.206]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <215053804.1032352923@[10.149.2.206]>; from rob pike, esq. on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 12:42:05PM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:08:14 +0200 On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 12:42:05PM -0400, rob pike, esq. wrote: > > That wasn't my point. My point was that I don't consider an > absolute necessity that every possible device be supported. > I favor simplicity and maintainability over universality. > There's tension between these objectives, with the marketplace driving one end and good practice resisting. I vote on your side, but I accept that there is a price to pay. I particularly baulk when backwards compatibility suffers, because obsolescence is unaffordable but unstoppable in the third world (developing countries). Guess who's keenly aware that the World Summit on Sustainable Development was held on his doorstep? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 18 23:51:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 18 23:51:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3701 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Sep 2002 23:51:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3697 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 23:51:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 23:51:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9DA71999B; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from rebo.lancs.ac.uk (rebo.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.16.230]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4849019992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lic019000017.lancs.ac.uk ([148.88.122.159] helo=mail.lancs.ac.uk) by rebo.lancs.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17rg9V-0005v4-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <22c5da3a72afa3c237576a41047c0757@lancaster.ac.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: John Krug MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] acme Mail change for outgoing folder Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: j.krug@lancaster.ac.uk List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:50:04 +0100 The following small change shows addressee rather than sender (which I, and possibly others, prefer) when viewing the outgoing folder in acme Mail. I'm not sure whether it is the best way but it appears to work. term% pwd /acme/mail term% md5sum src/mesg.c dad4c6a2cda3ab5b5a5304bcbef170c2 src/mesg.c term% diff src/mesg.c nnsrc/mesg.c 285c285 < info(Message *m, int ind) --- > info(Message *m, int ind, int ogf) 288a289 > char *p; 289a291,295 > if (ogf) > p=m->to; > else > p=m->fromcolon; > 300c306 < snprint(s, 80, fmt, m->fromcolon); --- > snprint(s, 80, fmt, p); 303c309 < snprint(s, 80, fmt, m->fromcolon, m->subject); --- > snprint(s, 80, fmt, p, m->subject); 311c317 < i = eappend(i, "\t", m->fromcolon); --- > i = eappend(i, "\t", p); 333a340 > int ogf=0; 334a342,344 > if (strcmp(realdir, "/mail/fs/outgoing/") == 0) > ogf=1; > 346c356 < tmp = info(m, ind); --- > tmp = info(m, ind, ogf); term% From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 00:07:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 00:07:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3889 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 00:07:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3882 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 00:07:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 00:07:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4DCE819981; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D91E1199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A39F3F90146; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:54:23 -0700 Received: FROM nas.com BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Wed Sep 18 07:54:22 2002 -0700 Message-ID: <3D88968E.6050208@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II References: <7391233b619c132580f12d5171806df5@collyer.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:06:54 -0700 Geoff Collyer wrote: > So far the Plan 9 compilers implement a 64-bit long long type but > nobody has yet tried making pointers 64 bits. Even the alpha port > uses 32-bit addressing. Nobody here but the biologists has yet been > complaining about feeling squeezed in a 32-bit address space. Are your biologists doing bioinformatics work with Plan 9? That must be interesting to say the least. When do we get to see the statistical analysis of their GenBank Venti archive? ;) -Jack (Seriously, it does sound like fun.) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 00:30:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 00:30:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4083 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 00:30:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4079 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 00:30:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 00:30:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78B8619991; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 00CBD19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a1c53f4cafaf5d2bf3804056f838065@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] multiprocessor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:29:14 -0400 On Tue Sep 17 22:58:19 EDT 2002, afrayedknot@thefrayedknot.armory.com wrote: > I have an older system that claims to be able to run two processors. Its > an ast premmia gx p/90 (stunning i know). Ive got two p90's in it and > the jumpers set properly, the kernel i built for it has the arch mp > apic line in the misc section also. But alas I cannot get it to find > both processors. Is this because of intel's pathetic attempts at smp > early on? or is there something else i may be missing? > > thanks Does the system or documentation say anywhere it is MPS 1.1 or 1.4 compatible? Some early manufacturers rolled their own MP hardware. We still have dual-P90 systems running. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 01:41:43 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 01:41:43 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4790 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 01:41:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4786 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 01:41:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 01:41:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F153219991; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9D28019A0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95375410fa18b1ed8185cc358b88ef9a@caldo.demon.co.uk> From: Charles Forsyth To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pwhksuwcbwvjmhtgzgjjuhmyis" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:46:57 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pwhksuwcbwvjmhtgzgjjuhmyis Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think that's what we found when we did VESA-based work for Inferno. i'm happy to parcel that up yet again if anyone's seriously interested in adapting it for Plan 9, or even current Inferno, or anything else for that matter, but it takes time to find all the bits, so be reasonably sure you're going to have the stamina. other `buts': it relied on software cursors in Inferno; it relied on non-trivial changes to the bootstrap code to do real-mode (unreal mode more like) BIOS calls to gather data before loading the kernel, because cards didn't implement the 32-bit variants; and it's all a bit involved. --upas-pwhksuwcbwvjmhtgzgjjuhmyis Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1032349223:10:16701:45; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:40:23 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017156; 18 Sep 2002 11:40 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96FF2199B7; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BC33319980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 07:38:59 -0400 > VBE/AF Standard 1.0 Right. If I recall correctly and nothing has changed since then (neither is overwhemlingly likely; it was 1999), most cards don't bother implementing this part of the standard. Russ --upas-pwhksuwcbwvjmhtgzgjjuhmyis-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 01:55:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 01:55:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4912 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 01:55:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4908 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 01:55:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 01:55:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F9A219A33; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0845119A54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9392a7b345274ce330fa45f248ea7f68@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme Mail change for outgoing folder From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:54:22 -0400 Thanks. I've published this change on sources. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 01:57:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 01:57:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4943 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 01:57:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4939 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 01:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 01:57:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E86519A55; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F368619A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22646 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:55:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8IGtxQ02734; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:55:59 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8IGtwH20031 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:55:58 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209181655.g8IGtwH20031@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Subject: [9fans] Elsa AirLancer MC-11 == wavelan Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:55:58 +0200 Extending the wavenames array in /sys/src/9/pc/wavelan.c with "AirLancer MC-11", makes the Elsa AirLancer MC-11 card work (or so it seems) Axel. (who hopes not to followup with 'Oops' again... :-) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 02:03:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 02:03:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5004 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 02:03:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5000 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 02:03:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 02:03:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18E4919988; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AD6019A3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 13:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17ri7s-0005GL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:56:32 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Joel Salomon Message-ID: Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:56:14 GMT I am installing plan9 on a dual-boot system with windows xp. The nt boot method can apparently not write to an NTFS partion. What can I add to windows' boot.ini to make plan9 appear on the boot menu? Joel From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 03:09:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 03:09:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5600 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 03:09:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5596 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 03:09:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 03:09:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F06F719A61; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nico.bway.net (nico.bway.net [216.220.96.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2768619A3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc (adsl-98-118.bway.net [216.220.98.118]) by nico.bway.net (8.12.4/8.12.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id g8IG1MTg018857 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 12:01:22 -0400 Message-ID: <00a001c25f2b$27ba04d0$0200a8c0@pc> From: "John Packer" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7391233b619c132580f12d5171806df5@collyer.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:50:46 -0400 Besides the issue of pointer sizes, the control registers have changed: the PSR, TBR, and WIM registers don't exist, and have been replaced by a dozen other registers. The trap model is completely different, and the instruction set has changed (to use the new registers), etc.. Adding the instructions to ka and kl is easy, but isn't it cleaner to spin off a new compiler, as was done between the 68020-68040 compilers, rather than adding a lot of new options? What happens if you mix instructions for the old registers and instructions for the new? Otherwise the new instructions could be accessed by using WORD macros in assembler, and not changing the ka and kl at all. > If one were to make a v9 sparc port use 64-bit addressing, I think the > existing compiler or loader would just need an option to generate the > new v9 instructions for 64-bit operands; I can't see the point of a > distinct v9 compiler. But a quick glance at the differences between > sparc v8 and v9 suggests that the real fun would be in the kernel > anyway. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 03:22:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 03:22:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5688 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 03:22:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5684 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 03:22:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 03:22:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 401AC19981; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 02B4919A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <164f75413174575b4cf142e0e6e07ef1@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:21:02 -0400 > Adding the instructions to ka and kl is easy, but isn't it cleaner to spin > off a new compiler, as was done between the 68020-68040 > compilers, rather than adding a lot of new options? Actually these two architectures are both supported by 2c etc.; we didn't spin a new compiler. We *did* spin one for the MIPS 4K, and some attempt was made to exploit the 64-bit registers, but no 64-bit kernel was ever attempted; it was an abortive attempt. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 03:29:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 03:29:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5726 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 03:29:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5722 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 03:29:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 03:29:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B0CD019A06; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4284019A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.89.175.92]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020918182814.WXOC5139.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@default> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:28:14 +0000 Message-ID: <003401c25f5a$b8ef96c0$5caf590c@default> From: "Thomas West" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [9fans] Support for 1542 scsi Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:30:29 -0700 The 1542 scsi is not listed among the supported hardware. Is this an oversight? If not an oversight can 3e code be used? Tnx, -Tom From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 03:49:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 03:49:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5855 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 03:49:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5851 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 03:49:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 03:49:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4D3119A04; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 733BB19A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <911538ba528d55e7a1d065f3e828ffca@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Support for 1542 scsi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:47:59 -0400 On Wed Sep 18 14:29:18 EDT 2002, west9@worldnet.att.net wrote: > The 1542 scsi is not listed among the supported hardware. Is this an > oversight? If not an oversight can 3e code be used? > > Tnx, > > -Tom The driver is in there: o% man plan9.ini ... scsiX=value This defines a SCSI interface which cannot be automatically detected by the kernel. Known types are aha1542 The Adaptec 154x series of controllers (and clones). Almost completely configurable, only the port=0x300 option need be given. ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 04:23:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 04:23:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6134 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 04:23:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6130 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 04:23:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 04:23:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C94A319A5A; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1AA9319980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:10:19 +0100 >>Otherwise the new instructions could be accessed by using WORD >>macros in assembler, and not changing the ka and kl at all. i often did that with the powerpc because the system interface changed somewhat between devices and there were plenty of instructions in q[acl] as it stood, thanks to the architecture. since only a few files in the kernel (eg, l.s) needed to access the system instructions and control registers directly it was easier to define a few special things there. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 05:16:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 05:16:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6473 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 05:16:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6469 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:16:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:16:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 000A619A69; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.70]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C9322199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23332 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 20:15:07 -0000 Received: from host-66.ipsoluciones.com (HELO pollo) (gabidiaz@192.168.1.66) by ns2.ipsoluciones.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 20:15:07 -0000 From: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Organization: IP Soluciones Message-ID: <000001c25f50$14f024e0$4201a8c0@holdingmf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <95375410fa18b1ed8185cc358b88ef9a@caldo.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:15:06 +0200 Hello there, I updated my 4ed. Plan9 Standalone cpu server a week ago (replica/pull -v /dist/replica/network like usual) and it stopped to authenticate the users. (The upgrade is these that include the new gs stuff) Using the telnet client you can see the message: "auth server protocol botch" I read a post from Russ Cox about that and checked my ndb file. All looks fine (before upgrade all works :?) --- /lib/ndb/local ---- # database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common ipnet=ipsoluciones.com ip=213.0.106.64 ipmask=255.255.255.192 auth=213.0.106.123 authdom=ipsoluciones.com dnsdomain=ipsoluciones.com dns=213.0.106.67 dns=213.0.106.68 ip=213.0.106.123 sys=cpu ether=00047574b319 dom=cpu.ipsoluciones.com ipgw=213.0.106.65 ---------- (I try the ipsubmask syntax like: ipnet=ipsoluciones.com ip=213.0.106.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipsubmask=255.255.255.192 width the same results what's the better/correct choice?) In ssh logs file I can read logs like: "/bin/aux/sshserve: got unexpected message" " cpu Sep 18 21:52:28 cr-fail gabidiaz@bootes(IP)" I re-enter all auth passwords (even nvram pass for bootes, and authdom stuff). Someone can tell me where I must look? Thank You! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 05:17:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 05:17:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6493 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 05:17:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6489 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9452819A64; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BECE219A3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 16:16:54 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 16:16:53 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:16:48 -0400 You need to copy the first sector of your Plan 9 partition into a file bootsect.p9 on your NT drive, and then use something like (this is from my Win2000 system): [boot loader] timeout=3600 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect c:\bootsect.p9 = "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" There are a few gotchas. First, make sure your 9fat has the right PBS before you copy the first sector. For example, disk/format -b /386/pbslba /dev/sdC0/plan9 dd -bs 512 -count 1 < /dev/sdC0/plan9 > bootsect.p9 will probably do the right thing. Note that format -b doesn't do anything other than replace the PBS code. In particular it doesn't format the disk. The other gotcha is that I vaguely recall reading that sectors you put in the [operating systems] section have to be on a FAT drive for the boot loader to find them. This seems unlikely, since the boot loader clearly reads NTFS to get at the boot.ini file. But if it is true, then you're just out of luck. Another option is to install something like Partition Magic and let it handle the boot menu. (Anyone know of a good free program like that, just for selecting the primary partition?) Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 05:21:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 05:21:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6521 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 05:21:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6517 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:21:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:21:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C125519A64; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2C8DE19A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 16:20:00 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 16:19:59 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:19:54 -0400 ipsubmask= is now ignored. the code searches all possible submasks when walking the database. on your cpu server, if you run cat /mnt/factotum/ctl what do you see? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 05:57:49 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 05:57:49 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6722 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 05:57:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6718 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 05:57:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 05:57:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC2FC19A59; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ophiopogon.tommyk.com (unknown [204.60.70.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C5F919A05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jay ([204.60.70.252]) by ophiopogon.tommyk.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8IKuXg18536 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:56:33 -0400 From: "Jason Gurtz" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:56:32 -0400 > Another option is to install something like Partition Magic > and let it handle the boot menu. (Anyone know of a good > free program like that, just for selecting the primary partition?) Perhaps, if someone has figured out how to boot Plan 9 with it, grub would do the trick. It boots the NT based OS's just fine with it's chainload functionality. Find it here: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-download.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 06:27:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 06:27:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6903 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 06:27:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6899 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 06:27:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 06:27:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 618AE19A66; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B395919A5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id AC92B6D0130; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:13:54 -0700 Received: FROM nas.com BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Wed Sep 18 14:13:53 2002 -0700 Message-ID: <3D88EF81.6030807@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:26:25 -0700 Russ Cox wrote: > Another option is to install something like Partition Magic > and let it handle the boot menu. (Anyone know of a good > free program like that, just for selecting the primary partition?) I use Smart BootManager ( http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ ). Though I don't use it as my regular boot manager, I use it all the time on older hardware to boot from CD when the BIOS won't support it. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 06:39:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 06:39:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6981 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 06:39:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6977 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 06:39:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 06:39:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC62019991; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1FDED19A25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 17:38:49 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 17:38:48 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <3a2e297c22c3768943684a996b9b90af@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:38:43 -0400 > Perhaps, if someone has figured out how to boot Plan 9 with it, grub > would do the trick. It boots the NT based OS's just fine with it's Our kernels make no attempt at being multiboot compliant, and we need some special environment setup anyway (plan9.ini contents are left at a certain address in memory). The other problem with grub, as I understand it, is that it requires config info. I'm sick of configuring things. I want a boot manager that just says ``here are the partitions i found; pick one to boot.'' Configuring means running some non-Plan 9 operating system (usually Linux). That's not acceptable, mainly because I might not have the operating system du jour on the machine in question. > I use Smart BootManager ( http://btmgr.sourceforge.net/ ). Though I > don't use it as my regular boot manager, I use it all the time on older > hardware to boot from CD when the BIOS won't support it. This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 07:00:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 07:00:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7096 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 07:00:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7092 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 07:00:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 07:00:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0905A19A28; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (orthanc.ab.ca [216.123.203.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5522D19A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ab.ca (localhost.orthanc.ab.ca [127.0.0.1]) by orthanc.ab.ca (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8ILxQKC041006 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:59:26 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ab.ca) Message-Id: <200209182159.g8ILxQKC041006@orthanc.ab.ca> From: Lyndon Nerenberg Organization: The Frobozz Magic Homing Pigeon Company To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:38:43 EDT." <3a2e297c22c3768943684a996b9b90af@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-Mailer: mh-e 6.1+cvs; MH 6.8.4; Emacs 21.2 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:59:26 -0600 Russ> I'm sick of configuring things. I want a boot Russ> manager that just says ``here are the partitions i found; pick Russ> one to boot.'' Another option is FreeBSD's boot0, which operates exactly as you describe. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sys/boot/i386/boot0/boot0.s --lyndon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 08:23:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 08:23:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7821 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 08:23:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7817 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 08:23:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 08:23:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8913199DD; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 927931998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA31278 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:21:37 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host 80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17ro83-0000JA-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:21:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15753.2659.152939.718991@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/src/^(9 boot)^/pc/memory.c In-Reply-To: :Russ Cox's message of 07:38:59 Wednesday,18 September 2002 References: X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:21:07 +0200 Russ Cox writes: > > VBE/AF Standard 1.0 > > Right. If I recall correctly and nothing has changed since > then (neither is overwhemlingly likely; it was 1999), most > cards don't bother implementing this part of the standard. > What about the other standards?. Using sw cursor and VESA for other things how many cards would be really supported?. (just a question out of shear curiosity). -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 08:46:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 08:46:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8017 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 08:46:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8013 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 08:46:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 08:46:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74652199DD; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7B8B519980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76e8cbf98d79ea6e39ec178daca7929c@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:45:11 -0700 By `here', I meant 9fans. Scott Schwartz's gang at PSU would like more address space, presumably for gene mapping or related work. As for different trap models, etc. in sparcs, it looks to me like all of that stuff is only visible in kernel mode, and the compilers don't generate the relevant instructions *now*, let alone for v9. So adding the v9 instructions by hand to assembler source files or augmenting ka and kl should do the job; I don't think kc is involved. Mixing old and new instructions is expected; that's the whole point of v9's compatibility with older sparc versions. See the v9 spec. for the full story. The situation was different with 2c vs 1c (68020+ vs 68000): 2c was the older compiler and generated instructions and addressing modes not present in the 68000. The Various Ports says of the 68000 compiler ``It generates position-independent code whose overall quality is much poorer than the code for the MC68020.'' and the code differences are not trivial: : cpu; diff -rw [12]c|wc -l 517 : cpu; diff -rw [12]a|wc -l 199 : cpu; diff -rw [12]l|wc -l 940 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 09:18:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 09:18:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8660 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 09:18:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8656 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 09:18:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 09:18:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E241199DD; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A56419988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 5656876 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:17:45 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] External Mailbox config Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:19:15 -0400 Can someone please show me how to config acme for outside email accounts. I`m sorry but I just don`t understand the man pages for upas/fs enough to make it work. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 10:04:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 10:04:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10083 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 10:04:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10078 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 10:04:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 10:04:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86686199A3; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nico.bway.net (nico.bway.net [216.220.96.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C693219981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (port043.coco.dialup.bway.net [66.114.244.43] (may be forged)) by nico.bway.net (8.12.4/8.12.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id g8J13TTg003124 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:03:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: John Packer To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <76e8cbf98d79ea6e39ec178daca7929c@collyer.net> Message-Id: <2C4A9F1A-CB6C-11D6-89AD-000A27AE643E@sockfarm.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:07:31 -0400 > As for different trap models, etc. in sparcs, it looks to me like all > of that stuff is only visible in kernel mode, and the compilers don't > generate the relevant instructions *now*, let alone for v9. So adding > the v9 instructions by hand to assembler source files or augmenting ka > and kl should do the job; I don't think kc is involved. Mixing old > and new instructions is expected; that's the whole point of v9's > compatibility with older sparc versions. See the v9 spec. for the > full story. > > The situation was different with 2c vs 1c (68020+ vs 68000): 2c was > the older compiler and generated instructions and addressing modes not > present in the 68000. Sorry, I'm wasn't trying to complicate things. By "compiler," I was referring the group kc, ka, and kl. What I meant was, k[al] *do* generate instructions not present in sparc v9, notably RETT, as well as read and writes to the trap base register and other registers which no longer exist, etc. Maybe that is not such a big issue, but coupled with the pointer handling, the changes in privileged registers, and all the consequent changes to libmach, I thought it might be simpler to branch off a new compiler-assembler-linker group, rather than pepper the source "#ifdef sparcv9 " directives. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 10:05:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 10:05:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10100 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 10:05:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10095 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 10:05:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 10:05:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3F95199D5; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nico.bway.net (nico.bway.net [216.220.96.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B15E519992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (port043.coco.dialup.bway.net [66.114.244.43] (may be forged)) by nico.bway.net (8.12.4/8.12.4/Debian-4) with ESMTP id g8J14YTg003169 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:04:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: John Packer To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <76e8cbf98d79ea6e39ec178daca7929c@collyer.net> Message-Id: <7180DD00-CB6C-11D6-89AD-000A27AE643E@sockfarm.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:09:27 -0400 > As for different trap models, etc. in sparcs, it looks to me like all > of that stuff is only visible in kernel mode, and the compilers don't > generate the relevant instructions *now*, let alone for v9. So adding > the v9 instructions by hand to assembler source files or augmenting ka > and kl should do the job; I don't think kc is involved. Mixing old > and new instructions is expected; that's the whole point of v9's > compatibility with older sparc versions. See the v9 spec. for the > full story. > > The situation was different with 2c vs 1c (68020+ vs 68000): 2c was > the older compiler and generated instructions and addressing modes not > present in the 68000. Sorry, I'm wasn't trying to complicate things. By "compiler," I was referring the group kc, ka, and kl. What I meant was, k[al] *do* generate instructions not present in sparc v9, notably RETT, as well as read and writes to the trap base register and other registers which no longer exist, etc. Maybe that is not such a big issue, but coupled with the pointer handling, the changes in privileged registers, and all the consequent changes to libmach, I thought it might be simpler to branch off a new compiler-assembler-linker group, rather than pepper the source "#ifdef sparcv9 " directives. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 11:11:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 11:11:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12376 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 11:11:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12372 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 11:11:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 11:11:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACCE719988; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 703B5199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Ultrasparc II From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:10:07 -0700 > k[al] *do* generate instructions not present in sparc v9, notably > RETT, as well as read and writes to the trap base register and other > registers which no longer exist, etc. Right, and different kernel code written in assembler would have to be executed for v8 (and earlier) sparcs and v9 (and later) sparcs. It's more of an issue for assembler programmers than for the k[cal] suite. In the second edition sparc port(s), for example, there were all of 3 RETTs in each of the ss and ss10 implementations (out of 520 and 564 lines of assember in total, respectively): : cpu; grep -i rett */*.s ss/l.s: SAVE R0, R0 /* RETT is implicit RESTORE */ ss/l.s: RETT R7, R8 ss/l.s: RETT R17, R18 ss/l.s: RETT R17, R18 ss10/l.s: SAVE R0, R0 /* RETT is implicit RESTORE */ ss10/l.s: RETT R7, R8 ss10/l.s: RETT R17, R18 ss10/l.s: RETT R17, R18 > [...] I thought it might be simpler to branch off a new > compiler-assembler-linker group, rather than pepper the source "#ifdef > sparcv9 " directives. You definitely shouldn't add ifdefs (to anything)! See /sys/doc/^(9.ps comp.ps) for why. A few tests (at run-time or compile-time) can tell you whether to run v8 or v9 kernel assembler fragments, where the difference matters (e.g., trap handlers). I believe that changes to k[cal] to make pointers 64 bits could be small and isolated (not that it's necessarily worth doing, as rob observed). In terms of code generated, I think it's mostly a matter of generating 8-byte loads and stores of pointers rather than 4-byte ones. v9 has widened the processor registers to 64 bits already. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 11:39:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 11:39:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13278 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 11:39:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13274 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 11:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 11:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F18DD19999; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3CACF199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 22:38:11 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Wed Sep 18 22:38:10 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <0001664c8fdf3eec975a0e22c298884e@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] External Mailbox config From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:38:06 -0400 In my factotum keys I have a key proto=apop user=rsc server=plan9.bell-labs.com !password=not.telling In my profile I have upas/fs -f /apoptls/plan9.bell-labs.com That sets the default mailbox, so that running "mail" or acme Mail will show the right box. An alternative is to run Mail /apoptls/plan9.bell-labs.com directly, if you don't want that to be the default. Either way, you need the factotum key. If you're going to do pop the key should be proto=pass user=rsc dom=plan9.bell-labs.com service=pop !password=not.telling and similarly for IMAP proto=pass user=rsc server=plan9.bell-labs.com service=imap !password=not.telling The pop code really should use server= rather than dom=, but it doesn't. Sorry. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 16:27:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 16:27:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21963 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 16:27:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21958 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 16:27:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 16:27:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E773F199B7; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:27:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 224D119981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 03:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe2336.gh.centurytel.net [64.91.55.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8J7Qpdt019534 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 00:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] How to writesubfont() for Memsubfont type? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:46:10 -0400 Can't find a writememsubfont(). Is it obvious? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 17:09:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 17:09:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23336 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 17:09:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23332 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 17:09:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 17:09:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02346199E4; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hamnavoe (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 36F6419981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:08:32 -0400 (EDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini From: Richard Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020919080832.36F6419981@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:07:50 0100 > > Perhaps, if someone has figured out how to boot Plan 9 with it, grub > > would do the trick. It boots the NT based OS's just fine with it's > ... > Configuring means running some non-Plan 9 operating system > (usually Linux). That's not acceptable, mainly because I might > not have the operating system du jour on the machine in question. I understand and agree with Russ's point here; but it's still a useful option for someone who wants to add Plan 9 to a system which already has grub. For example, I bought a T21 with Linux pre-installed as a way of avoiding the Microsoft Tax. After setting up a 9fat partition with pbslba, I just had to add this to the grub menu.lst file: title = brazil root = (hd0,5) chainloader = +1 -- Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 17:41:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 17:41:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24238 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 17:41:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24234 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 17:41:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 17:41:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A2A319A26; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1C6D19A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe2336.gh.centurytel.net [64.91.55.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8J8eldt025661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Acme buglet? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:00:04 -0400 I've found a small problem in acme. I'd like somebody else to reproduce it so I can verify it is not my setup. How to reproduce: 1. open acme. 2. stack a few files (windows stacked in one column) 3. right click on the window's upper/left box to hide all other windows 4. Change the font by middle clicking Font in the titlebar of the window What I see is that the window does not get redrawn or is partially redrawn. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 17:51:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 17:51:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24427 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 17:51:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24423 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 17:51:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 17:51:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6534B19980; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.70]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6C20219A02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2615 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 08:50:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pollo) (gabidiaz@62.97.95.3) by ns2.ipsoluciones.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 08:50:16 -0000 From: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] External Mailbox config Organization: IP Soluciones Message-ID: <000001c25fb9$93481b40$c5cd1aac@holdingmf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:49:48 +0200 The Mail "plug-in" for acme only reads local mailbox filesystem mounted by upas/fs. For remote mail configuration you can read de wiki instructions that's says something like: For pop3 server # upas/fs -f '/pop/pop.server.com/user' (this mounts your remote pop3 mailbox) # acme -l lib/mail (or whatever you want to read mail) For imap server # upas/fs -f '/imap/imap.server.com/user' # acme -l lib/mail . . . If you read the maillist archives you can see some scripts to download messages from pop3 server and re-send to your local mbox, and then mount your local mbox with the command: # upas/fs I suggest you to read wiki instructions and then read the man pages. (That's works for me sometimes XD) Un saludo. PD: You must start a factotum instance for the authentication to work. # auth/factotum -----Mensaje original----- De: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu] En nombre de Adrian Enviado el: jueves, 19 de septiembre de 2002 2:19 Para: 9fans Asunto: [9fans] External Mailbox config Can someone please show me how to config acme for outside email accounts. I`m sorry but I just don`t understand the man pages for upas/fs enough to make it work. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 19:00:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 19:00:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25888 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 19:00:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25884 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 19:00:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 19:00:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AE5919A29; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6E031199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9234332155b67ab7e27e3baf8846d3a7@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to writesubfont() for Memsubfont type? From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 05:59:01 -0400 > Can't find a writememsubfont(). Is it obvious? That's a tricky question. What's obvious to one person may be mysterious to another. But I think the implementation will be to take writesubfont and s/Subfont/Memsubfont/g. Don't forget that you still need to write the image; the writesubfont routine only writes the character width data. A subfont file comprises the width data followed by an image, written the usual way. Why do you need this? -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 19 23:47:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 19 23:47:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30557 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Sep 2002 23:47:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30553 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 23:47:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 23:47:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1B6E19A0B; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ophiopogon.tommyk.com (unknown [204.60.70.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80D1519991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jay ([204.60.70.252]) by ophiopogon.tommyk.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8JEkQg22462 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:46:27 -0400 From: "Jason Gurtz" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] winnt boot method - hand editing boot.ini Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20020919080832.36F6419981@mail.cse.psu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:46:16 -0400 > [...] After setting up a 9fat partition with pbslba, > I just had to add this to the grub menu.lst file: > > title = brazil > root = (hd0,5) > chainloader = +1 Thanks for that post, I'm sure I'll use that at some time or another. ~Jason -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 00:37:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 00:37:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31096 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 00:37:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31092 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 00:37:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 00:37:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9211619A17; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6136519A05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe2336.gh.centurytel.net [64.91.55.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8JFRDdt020183 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to writesubfont() for Memsubfont type? From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:46:32 -0400 >> Can't find a writememsubfont(). Is it obvious? > > That's a tricky question. What's obvious to one person may be > mysterious to another. But I think the implementation will be > to take writesubfont and s/Subfont/Memsubfont/g. Thanks. I was curious because other than this function there seemed to be parity between Memimage and Image operations. Truth be told, I'm a novice when it comes to graphics. the last graphics system I attempted to understand and use was the 630. Interestingly, a Bush was in the Whitehouse, Sadam was in Baghdad and the economy was bad. > > Don't forget that you still need to write the image; the writesubfont > routine only writes the character width data. A subfont file comprises > the width data followed by an image, written the usual way. Manual says wirtesubfont() should be preceded by writeimage(). correct? > > Why do you need this? Writing a BDF to Subfont converter. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 00:47:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 00:47:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31182 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 00:47:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31178 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 00:47:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 00:47:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D46119A04; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6AE9719988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to writesubfont() for Memsubfont type? From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:46:16 -0400 > Manual says wirtesubfont() should be preceded by writeimage(). correct? Correct. The manual is more reliable than my memory. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 02:08:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 02:08:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31804 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 02:08:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31800 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 02:08:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 02:08:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E79DC19A04; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E820B19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22574 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 17:07:13 -0000 Received: from host-45.ipsoluciones.com (HELO pollo) (gabidiaz@192.168.1.45) by ns2.ipsoluciones.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 17:07:13 -0000 From: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) Organization: IP Soluciones Message-ID: <000001c25ffe$ffabdb60$2d01a8c0@holdingmf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:07:12 +0200 ok, ipsubmask was removed from my ndb file. # cat /mnt/factotum/ctl key dom=3Dipsoluciones.com proto=3Dp9sk1 user=3Dbootes # I must start a factotum instance from cpurc for bootes user? thank you. -----Mensaje original----- De: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu] En nombre de Russ Cox Enviado el: mi=E9rcoles, 18 de septiembre de 2002 22:20 Para: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Asunto: Re: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) ipsubmask=3D is now ignored. the code searches all possible submasks when walking the database. on your cpu server, if you run cat /mnt/factotum/ctl what do you see? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 02:17:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 02:17:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31907 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 02:17:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31903 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 02:17:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 02:17:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AB0319A0B; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 226BD19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to writesubfont() for Memsubfont type? From: C H Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:03:45 +0100 if you're just building subfonts to write to a file, you can fill in a Subfont instead of a Memsubfont and use writesubfont instead, since the latter doesn't need the draw subsystem (it just writes a representation to a file using write). that's what i did for my Freetype ttf2subf program. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 02:55:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 02:55:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32204 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 02:55:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32200 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 02:55:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 02:55:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70EDF19991; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 19AE219991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ddb15ea05fd97810d5fd390d1e54c3b@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Sape Mullender To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] (no subject) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:54:16 -0400 I fixed a bug in cfs that causes the cfs connection to hang under certain circumstances. Cfs had an optimization that gave clients an early response to Tclunk calls so that the Tclunk/Rclunk RPC would not be in the client application's execution path. This optimization included waiting for the Rclunk if the clunked fid was used in a new request. This was done incorrectly, allowing a new fid (in a Twalk) to go out before the Rclunk was in. This is a violation of protocol. To make a long story short, I could have simply fixed the bug, but it turns out that the optimization doesn't really do much for performance so I removed the whole optimization. The bug was only triggered by clients that were fast enough to get a Twalk to the server before the server had completed serving the previous Tclunk, so it manifested itself by newly installed machines mysteriously hanging. Sape From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 03:56:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 03:56:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32582 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 03:56:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32578 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 03:56:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 03:56:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 720BD199B6; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from abel.math.luc.edu (abel.math.luc.edu [147.126.2.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DC2419995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (yzhao2@localhost) by abel.math.luc.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05845 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: abel.math.luc.edu: yzhao2 owned process doing -bs From: yan zhao X-Sender: yzhao2@abel To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] a simple question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:08 -0500 (CDT) Hi, there: Can someone tell me whether factotum exists on the side of the client or on the side of server? Thanks! Best, Yan From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 04:01:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 04:01:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32627 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 04:01:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32623 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 04:01:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 04:01:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 426AB19999; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DDB2419992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Acme buglet? From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-neaxdjtzmdsaglrcvzsmmvlglq" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:00:30 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-neaxdjtzmdsaglrcvzsmmvlglq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stupid bug. diff /n/dump/2002/0919/sys/src/cmd/acme/cols.c cols.c 284c284 < if(i == c->nw-1) --- > if(i==c->nw-1 || c->safe==FALSE) I'll put the fix on sources. -rob --upas-neaxdjtzmdsaglrcvzsmmvlglq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 04:41:19 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 04:41:18 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42BF419A25; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1C6D19A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 04:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe2336.gh.centurytel.net [64.91.55.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8J8eldt025661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Acme buglet? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:00:04 -0400 I've found a small problem in acme. I'd like somebody else to reproduce it so I can verify it is not my setup. How to reproduce: 1. open acme. 2. stack a few files (windows stacked in one column) 3. right click on the window's upper/left box to hide all other windows 4. Change the font by middle clicking Font in the titlebar of the window What I see is that the window does not get redrawn or is partially redrawn. --upas-neaxdjtzmdsaglrcvzsmmvlglq-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 04:37:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 04:37:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 483 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 04:37:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 479 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 04:37:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 04:37:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83252199B3; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 812E019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3812609ecc05fbbc637f37bcc56bb84a@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] a simple question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:36:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit both --upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 14:56:20 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 14:56:19 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2634F19988; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from abel.math.luc.edu (abel.math.luc.edu [147.126.2.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DC2419995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (yzhao2@localhost) by abel.math.luc.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05845 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: abel.math.luc.edu: yzhao2 owned process doing -bs From: yan zhao X-Sender: yzhao2@abel To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] a simple question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:08 -0500 (CDT) Hi, there: Can someone tell me whether factotum exists on the side of the client or on the side of server? Thanks! Best, Yan --upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 04:48:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 04:48:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 536 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 04:48:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 532 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 04:48:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 04:48:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFFAA19999; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D374619980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] a simple question From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-psmhdreregifbygwjoahfeebrs" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:34:25 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-psmhdreregifbygwjoahfeebrs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (excluding the /sys/src/fs file server) --upas-psmhdreregifbygwjoahfeebrs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1032464251:10:09329:53; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:37:31 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009633; 19 Sep 2002 19:37 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83252199B3; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 812E019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3812609ecc05fbbc637f37bcc56bb84a@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] a simple question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:36:33 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit both --upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 14:56:20 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 14:56:19 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2634F19988; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from abel.math.luc.edu (abel.math.luc.edu [147.126.2.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DC2419995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (yzhao2@localhost) by abel.math.luc.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05845 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: abel.math.luc.edu: yzhao2 owned process doing -bs From: yan zhao X-Sender: yzhao2@abel To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] a simple question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:55:08 -0500 (CDT) Hi, there: Can someone tell me whether factotum exists on the side of the client or on the side of server? Thanks! Best, Yan --upas-netjzsymzjlsxpxcaibhnwbulw-- --upas-psmhdreregifbygwjoahfeebrs-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 04:54:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 04:54:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 564 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 04:54:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 560 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 04:54:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 04:54:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 783E0199B6; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from johns.worldwinner.com (unknown [209.202.131.155]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D23E199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from johns@localhost) by johns.worldwinner.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8JJro221219 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:53:50 -0400 From: John Saylor To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020919195350.GA21205@johns.worldwinner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] boot failure after successful install Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:53:50 -0400 Hi I went through the install procedure, and it worked great. Everything looked super. When I went to boot, however, all I got was this: PBS..Plan 9 from Bell Labs FLAGS=10296 TRAP=c ECODE=80030000 PC=8001312a AX 00002600 BX 00000000 CX 00000000 DX ffffffff SI 00000013 DI 00002600 BP ffffff CS 0010 DS 0008 ES 0008 FS 0008 GS 0008 CR0 80000011 CR2 00000000 CR3 0000c000 panic: exception/interrupt 12 I would guess it has something to do with my mouse [IRQ 12]. I run the install through a switch box [2 computers, 1 monitor/mouse/keyboard], but I'm not switching on boot up. I looked around the web and couldn't find anything that seemed helpful. Any suggestions or pointers are welcome. Thanks. -- .--- ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 05:12:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 05:12:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 688 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 05:12:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 684 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:12:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:12:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EECD0199BF; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AB57E199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 16:11:44 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.251 ([18.24.6.251]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 16:11:43 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot failure after successful install From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:11:34 -0400 It's your floppy drive, not your mouse. The IRQ #s and the interrupt #s are not actually the same things. Did you install from a floppy? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 05:47:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 05:47:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 911 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 05:47:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 907 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 05:47:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 05:47:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C26C199BE; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from trivia.worldwinner.com (unknown [209.202.131.155]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 702271999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by trivia.worldwinner.com (Postfix, from userid 504) id AAD7FBCA3; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:46:07 -0400 (EDT) From: John Saylor To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot failure after successful install Message-ID: <20020919164607.B8469@trivia.worldwinner.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com on Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 04:11:34PM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:46:07 -0400 Hi ( 02.09.19 16:11 -0400 ) Russ Cox: > It's your floppy drive, not your mouse. > The IRQ #s and the interrupt #s are not > actually the same things. > > Did you install from a floppy? Yes. -- .--- ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 09:43:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 09:43:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3955 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 09:43:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3950 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 09:43:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 09:43:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56B5D199BE; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pop015.verizon.net (pop015pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.172]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50D5E19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from powell.name ([4.42.104.33]) by pop015.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020920004207.SFAA2139.pop015.verizon.net@powell.name> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:42:07 -0500 Message-ID: <3D8A6EDD.3070407@powell.name> From: Richard Powell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <04c24a2a5e902d8d245c7e7ff8c70a3e@caldo.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop015.verizon.net from [4.42.104.33] using ID at Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:42:07 -0500 Subject: [9fans] FA312 Ethernet card (was: Hardware detection problems) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 17:42:05 -0700 Charles Forsyth wrote: > i said `perhaps they've changed the FA312 since i last bought it'. > i then noticed to my horror that it was over a year ago i did that > driver. where did the time go? i'll try buying a current one in case > it's different. they do that. alternatively, it might be that timing > or access details were somehow wrong from the start. > Charles, The suggestion to use the 'ea' option in my plan9.ini file work great. Thanks for the help! I found the recipt for my card, I bought it in Dec. 2000. So, save your money, my card may be older than yours! If you do make any driver changes, I'll be happy to try it for you. In the mean time, if I can figure anything out I'll let you know. Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 10:41:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 10:41:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6306 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 10:41:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6302 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 10:41:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 10:41:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B1A1199EC; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 44716199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from powell.name ([4.42.104.33]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.09 201-253-122-126-109-20020611) with ESMTP id <20020920014046.GROB5987.pop018.verizon.net@powell.name> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:40:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3D8A7C9D.2090102@powell.name> From: Richard Powell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at pop018.verizon.net from [4.42.104.33] using ID at Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:40:45 -0500 Subject: [9fans] HPT-370 ATA-100 chip (was: Hardware detection problems) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 18:40:45 -0700 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > The code hooks are all there for additional controllers > (devata.c:/^atalegacy). > Some glue needs to be added to devsd.c:/^sdreset. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [9fans] Hardware detection problems > From: > "Russ Cox" > Date: > Sun, 15 Sep 2002 22:56:22 -0400 > To: > 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > > If you know the ports and interrupts, > it might suffice just to add the appropriate > probes. > > Russ Thanks for all the help. I finally figured some things out an made some progress. I can now detect all four IDE ports and boot directly from sdE0. I've include a context diff of the changes I made to 9/pc/sdata.c. I also made similar changes to 9/boot/sdata.c for 9load. Is there a preferred format for patches? Notes: - The debug code was commented out because the two IDE ports on the chip share the same IRQ (11). That caused a flood of Inil20+ messages when I had a disk on each port. Next time, I'll change it to a different symbol. - I'm not sure about setting pi to 0x85 vs. 0x5, but it doesn't seem to hurt. diff -c sdata.c.org sdata.c ------------------------------ cut here ----------------------- *** sdata.c.org Thu Sep 19 00:19:00 2002 --- sdata.c Thu Sep 19 00:19:00 2002 *************** *** 1557,1564 **** --- 1557,1566 ---- status = inb(cmdport+Status); if((drive = ctlr->curdrive) == nil){ iunlock(ctlr); + /* if((DEBUG & DbgDEBUG) && ctlr->command != Cedd) print("Inil%2.2uX+", ctlr->command); + */ return; } *************** *** 1671,1676 **** --- 1673,1682 ---- * 2) put 0 in the programming interface byte (probably * as a consequence of 1) above). */ + + print("PCI: ccrb %02x ccru %02x ccrp %04x did %04x vid %04x\n", + p->ccrb, p->ccru, p->ccrp, p->did, p->vid); + if(p->ccrb != 0x01 || (p->ccru != 0x01 && p->ccru != 0x80)) continue; pi = p->ccrp; *************** *** 1707,1712 **** --- 1713,1721 ---- * Bugfix code here... */ break; + case (0x0004<<16)|0x1103: /* HighPoint HPT-370 */ + pi = 0x85; + break; case (0x0646<<16)|0x1095: /* CMD 646 */ case (0x0571<<16)|0x1106: /* VIA 82C686 */ case (0x0211<<16)|0x1166: /* ServerWorks IB6566 */ *************** *** 1716,1727 **** case (0x7111<<16)|0x8086: /* 82371[AE]B (PIIX4[E]) */ break; } - for(channel = 0; channel < 2; channel++){ if(pi & (1<<(2*channel))){ sdev = ataprobe(p->mem[0+2*channel].bar & ~0x01, p->mem[1+2*channel].bar & ~0x01, p->intl); if(sdev == nil) continue; --- 1725,1736 ---- case (0x7111<<16)|0x8086: /* 82371[AE]B (PIIX4[E]) */ break; } for(channel = 0; channel < 2; channel++){ if(pi & (1<<(2*channel))){ sdev = ataprobe(p->mem[0+2*channel].bar & ~0x01, p->mem[1+2*channel].bar & ~0x01, p->intl); + print("Probed: %d sdev %x\n", channel, (int)sdev); if(sdev == nil) continue; ---------------------------- end of diff ------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 10:56:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 10:56:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6783 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 10:56:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6779 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 10:56:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 10:56:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB5FC199B9; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 180131998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 21:55:28 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 21:55:27 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <4f6464069550dc2f08b717c6a6889d86@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] HPT-370 ATA-100 chip (was: Hardware detection problems) From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:55:23 -0400 Thanks. What you sent is a perfectly fine diff. We do these things by hand (so that we understand what's going on in the source), some indication of what was changed is always appreciated. Others sometimes just send the whole files with the changes clearly marked. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 11:19:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 11:19:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7470 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 11:19:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7466 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 11:19:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 11:19:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB6DA1999B; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C153619981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 22:18:12 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 22:18:11 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] plan 9 vmware tools available Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 22:18:06 -0400 > Also related with VMWare, is there any way to make plan9 free the > cursor when it reaches the margin of the window? (like on windows or linux > do when you install thw VMWare tools). To get the cursor trapped is > annoying. If you update from sources, you will get a bunch of binaries that are a first cut at VMware tools for Plan 9. Running aux/vmware in your termrc (it should be there already) starts them when you're inside vmware, and does nothing otherwise. The main things accomplished are: - the snarf buffer is shared with the host system - the mouse cursor isn't trapped anymore Enjoy. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 12:38:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 12:38:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9818 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 12:38:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9813 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 12:38:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 12:38:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B53619995; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2EEF719980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 23:37:54 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Thu Sep 19 23:37:53 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <2630e8fe823da7b51e686a97c2ac2330@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot failure after successful install From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 23:37:49 -0400 Do you still have the install floppy? What size is the file `9load' on that floppy? What size is the file `9load' on your boot floppy? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 13:30:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 13:30:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11543 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 13:30:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11539 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 13:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 13:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6283F19992; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 850361998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe2336.gh.centurytel.net [64.91.55.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8K4Todt017435 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <80a79dfe3de2781550f9440936ebb4fc@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to writesubfont() for Memsubfont type? From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:46:32 -0400 >> Can't find a writememsubfont(). Is it obvious? > > That's a tricky question. What's obvious to one person may be > mysterious to another. But I think the implementation will be > to take writesubfont and s/Subfont/Memsubfont/g. Thanks. I was curious because other than this function there seemed to be parity between Memimage and Image operations. Truth be told, I'm a novice when it comes to graphics. the last graphics system I attempted to understand and use was the 630. Interestingly, a Bush was in the Whitehouse, Sadam was in Baghdad and the economy was bad. > > Don't forget that you still need to write the image; the writesubfont > routine only writes the character width data. A subfont file comprises > the width data followed by an image, written the usual way. Manual says wirtesubfont() should be preceded by writeimage(). correct? > > Why do you need this? Writing a BDF to Subfont converter. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 13:30:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 13:30:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11551 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 13:30:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11547 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 13:30:34 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 13:30:34 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3A2C199A3; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AB2D1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe2336.gh.centurytel.net [64.91.55.91]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8K4Ttdt017568 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 21:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0e836bb70c61fbbc2da474334444503a@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] How to writesubfont() for Memsubfont type? From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:49:04 -0400 Thanks. I really should look at the code (the beauty of opensource). This is the path I'm taking now. How did I miss ttf2subf? Where do I get it? > if you're just building subfonts to write to a file, you can fill in > a Subfont instead of a Memsubfont and use writesubfont instead, > since the latter doesn't need the draw subsystem (it just writes > a representation to a file using write). > > that's what i did for my Freetype ttf2subf program. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 14:04:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 14:04:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12643 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 14:04:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12638 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 14:04:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 14:04:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3F3A1999B; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C97D719991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 01:03:00 -0400 Try updating from sources again. It will pick up a new program called auth/debug. Run auth/debug. It asks for your local user password as well as the cpu hostowner name and password. It uses these to check that your auth server is dialable and that it's giving out correct tickets (which means it agrees with you about those passwords). The idea is that auth/debug will accumulate more such sanity checks as time goes on. For example, in my fairly complicated setup (three p9sk1 domains), running auth/debug yields: g% grep p9sk1 /mnt/factotum/ctl key dom=cs.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 user=rsc !password? key dom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 user=bozo !password? key dom=insideout.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 role=speakfor user=glenda !password? g% auth/debug p9sk1 key: dom=cs.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 user=rsc !password? successfully dialed auth server password for rsc@cs.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]: ticket request using rsc@cs.bell-labs.com key succeeded cpu server owner for domain cs.bell-labs.com [bootes]: password for bootes@cs.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]: ticket request using bootes@cs.bell-labs.com key succeeded p9sk1 key: dom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 user=bozo !password? successfully dialed auth server password for bozo@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]: ticket request using bozo@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com key succeeded cpu server owner for domain outside.plan9.bell-labs.com [bootes]: glenda password for glenda@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]: ticket request using glenda@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com key succeeded p9sk1 key: dom=insideout.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 role=speakfor user=glenda !password? cannot dial auth server: no auth server found for insideout.plan9.bell-labs.com csquery authdom=insideout.plan9.bell-labs.com auth=* failed csquery dom=insideout.plan9.bell-labs.com auth='' dial net!!ticket failed: cs: can't translate address g% The first two sections are examples of domains that worked: I have cs.bell-labs.com (used by plan9.bell-labs.com) and outside.plan9.bell-labs.com (used by sources) set up correctly. In the third, auth/debug flags the fact that it can't figure out the auth server for the domain and thus can't dial it. (That's okay because there is no auth server, but this is a degenerate case.) Let me know what you get when you run auth/debug and we'll go from there. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 17:19:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 17:19:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20420 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 17:19:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20416 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 17:19:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 17:19:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D420D199B6; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 04:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC926199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 04:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19070 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:18:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8K8IhQ07380; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:18:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8K8Ig527760 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:18:43 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209200818.g8K8Ig527760@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:18:42 +0200 Recently used inst/go to install, so I'm surprised to see it d'ed Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 19:17:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 19:17:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23350 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 19:17:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23346 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 19:17:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 19:17:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7106819A0B; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BD5EB199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 06:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1143 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 10:16:11 -0000 Received: from host-45.ipsoluciones.com (HELO pollo) (gabidiaz@192.168.1.45) by ns2.ipsoluciones.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 10:16:11 -0000 From: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) Organization: IP Soluciones Message-ID: <000201c2608e$be716440$2d01a8c0@holdingmf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:16:11 +0200 hello, I updated again and run auth/debug tests. The first time auth/debug says to me that password for bootes was bad, but I changed it with auth/changeuser -p and echo asds > /dev/sdC0/nvram to re-enter nvram stuff. then i run auth/debug again with good results (i think) --------------------- cpu# auth/debug p9sk1 key: dom=3Dipsoluciones.com proto=3Dp9sk1 user=3Dbootes successfully dialed auth server password for bootes@ipsoluciones.com [hit enter to skip test]:=20 ticket request using bootes@ipsoluciones.com key succeeded cpu server owner for domain ipsoluciones.com [bootes]:=20 password for bootes@ipsoluciones.com [hit enter to skip test]:=20 ticket request using bootes@ipsoluciones.com key succeeded cpu# auth/debug p9sk1 key: dom=3Dipsoluciones.com proto=3Dp9sk1 user=3Dbootes successfully dialed auth server password for bootes@ipsoluciones.com [hit enter to skip test]:=20 ticket request using bootes@ipsoluciones.com key succeeded cpu server owner for domain ipsoluciones.com [bootes]: gabidiaz password for gabidiaz@ipsoluciones.com [hit enter to skip test]: ticket request using gabidiaz@ipsoluciones.com key succeeded cpu# -------------------- SSH connections fails with the message: ------------------------- cpu Sep 20 11:45:21 [114] connect from 192.168.1.45!3242 cpu Sep 20 11:45:26 [114] auth_chuid to gabidiaz: writing to #=C2=A4/capuse: i/o count too small /bin/aux/sshserve: auth_chuid: writing to #=A4/capuse: i/o count too small ------------------------- what is #=A4/capuse? how can i see all bindings? /sys/log/auth ------------------- cpu Sep 20 12:03:53 secureidcheck: nil radius secret: '/lib/ndb/common.radius' does not exist cpu Sep 20 12:03:53 cr-fail authentication failed gabidiaz 213.0.106.123 cpu Sep 20 12:03:53 cr-fail gabidiaz@bootes(213.0.106.123): bad resp --------------------- (i changed the password for that user with something silly and ease to type but all the attempts fails) Thank for the help! -----Mensaje original----- De: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu] En nombre de Russ Cox Enviado el: viernes, 20 de septiembre de 2002 7:03 Para: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Asunto: RE: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) Try updating from sources again. It will pick up a new program called auth/debug. Run auth/debug. It asks for your local user password as well as the cpu hostowner name and password. It uses these to check that your auth server is dialable and that it's giving out correct tickets (which means it agrees with you about those passwords). The idea is that auth/debug will accumulate more such sanity checks as time goes on. For example, in my fairly complicated setup (three p9sk1 domains), running auth/debug yields: g% grep p9sk1 /mnt/factotum/ctl key dom=3Dcs.bell-labs.com proto=3Dp9sk1 user=3Drsc !password? key dom=3Doutside.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=3Dp9sk1 user=3Dbozo = !password? key dom=3Dinsideout.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=3Dp9sk1 role=3Dspeakfor user=3Dglenda !password? g% auth/debug p9sk1 key: dom=3Dcs.bell-labs.com proto=3Dp9sk1 user=3Drsc !password? successfully dialed auth server password for rsc@cs.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]:=20 ticket request using rsc@cs.bell-labs.com key succeeded cpu server owner for domain cs.bell-labs.com [bootes]:=20 password for bootes@cs.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]:=20 ticket request using bootes@cs.bell-labs.com key succeeded p9sk1 key: dom=3Doutside.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=3Dp9sk1 user=3Dbozo !password? successfully dialed auth server password for bozo@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]:=20 ticket request using bozo@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com key succeeded cpu server owner for domain outside.plan9.bell-labs.com [bootes]: glenda password for glenda@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com [hit enter to skip test]:=20 ticket request using glenda@outside.plan9.bell-labs.com key succeeded p9sk1 key: dom=3Dinsideout.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=3Dp9sk1 = role=3Dspeakfor user=3Dglenda !password? cannot dial auth server: no auth server found for insideout.plan9.bell-labs.com csquery authdom=3Dinsideout.plan9.bell-labs.com auth=3D* failed csquery dom=3Dinsideout.plan9.bell-labs.com auth=3D'' dial net!!ticket failed: cs: can't translate address g%=20 The first two sections are examples of domains that worked: I have cs.bell-labs.com (used by plan9.bell-labs.com) and outside.plan9.bell-labs.com (used by sources) set up correctly. In the third, auth/debug flags the fact that it can't figure out the auth server for the domain and thus can't dial it. (That's okay because there is no auth server, but this is a degenerate case.) Let me know what you get when you run auth/debug and we'll go from there. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 21:01:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 21:01:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24712 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 21:01:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24705 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 21:01:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 21:01:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1A5B19995; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4901D19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 6925125 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:00:03 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Mail comes in, but... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:01:31 -0400 Okay I got the mail coming in but , I haven`t yet been able to send out. I wanted to use my providers smtp server, rather than running one of my own. Do I set up smtpd to forward mail ? Or what is my game plan? I`m getting close here, and appreciate the help. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 21:04:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 21:04:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24748 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 21:04:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24744 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 21:04:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 21:04:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D77A19A28; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E964519A17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c59d20149472ee5f6d21929e0522979@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] cron auth Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:03:04 +0200 I'm a bit confussed, and perhaps I'm missing an obvious thing that someone else could just point out. In my auth server I start cron. I also start a factotum at boot time (authenticates fine with the fs). Then I also use the secstore -G option to feed the factotum with the keys in the secstore. However, it seems that since time ago cron has not been able to authenticate other users to run their entries. The error is a protocol phase error (read in state CNeedProtos). Any obvious thing? thanks From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 21:18:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 21:18:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24922 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 21:18:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24918 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 21:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 21:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 323C4199B7; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6595C19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61a74fa773124fb5812c60148820bf37@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cron auth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-iytvmruxsejzzlwruzibzhsosa" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:17:01 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-iytvmruxsejzzlwruzibzhsosa Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have an old /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c? --upas-iytvmruxsejzzlwruzibzhsosa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 08:04:17 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 08:04:17 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1485F199B6; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E964519A17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 08:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8c59d20149472ee5f6d21929e0522979@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] cron auth Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:03:04 +0200 I'm a bit confussed, and perhaps I'm missing an obvious thing that someone else could just point out. In my auth server I start cron. I also start a factotum at boot time (authenticates fine with the fs). Then I also use the secstore -G option to feed the factotum with the keys in the secstore. However, it seems that since time ago cron has not been able to authenticate other users to run their entries. The error is a protocol phase error (read in state CNeedProtos). Any obvious thing? thanks --upas-iytvmruxsejzzlwruzibzhsosa-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 20 22:53:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 20 22:53:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26065 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Sep 2002 22:53:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26061 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 22:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 22:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 624BE199A3; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A289B1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11081 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 13:52:41 -0000 Received: from host-45.ipsoluciones.com (HELO pollo) (gabidiaz@192.168.1.45) by ns2.ipsoluciones.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 13:52:41 -0000 From: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Mail comes in, but... Organization: IP Soluciones Message-ID: <000401c260ac$fca94bb0$2d01a8c0@holdingmf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:52:40 +0200 In /mail/lib you can copy rewrite.gateway to rewrite and change it to fit your needing. The instructions to make the modifications to fit your network are on top of file. Un saludo. -----Mensaje original----- De: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu] En nombre de Adrian Enviado el: viernes, 20 de septiembre de 2002 14:02 Para: 9fans Asunto: [9fans] Mail comes in, but... Okay I got the mail coming in but , I haven`t yet been able to send out. I wanted to use my providers smtp server, rather than running one of my own. Do I set up smtpd to forward mail ? Or what is my game plan? I`m getting close here, and appreciate the help. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 00:33:44 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 00:33:44 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27141 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 00:33:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27137 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 00:33:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 00:33:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEB34199D5; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nob.twindy.net (wireless36.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.48.136]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 874311999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vic@localhost) by nob.twindy.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KFWmL01682; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:32:49 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: nob.twindy.net: vic set sender to zandy@cs.wisc.edu using -f To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: vic Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] question about union dirs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:32:48 -0500 [ I tried to post this to comp.os.plan9 on Weds, but it has not appeared yet. ] When Plan 9 searches for a name in a union directory, what happens when one or more of the member directories in unavailable (because, say, the machine is temporarily disconnected from that directory's file server)? Does the whole search block until the individual one completes? Or is it skipped once the kernel, somehow, determines that it is unavailable? Or something else? Thanks. Vic From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 01:16:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 01:16:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27432 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 01:16:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27428 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 01:16:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 01:16:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6EF20199B9; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8816519995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 12:15:57 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 12:15:56 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] question about union dirs From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:15:53 -0400 If a remote server gets disconnected from your machine, then the TCP or IL connection breaks and that part of the union is marked as ``hungup'' and ignored. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 01:23:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 01:23:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27530 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 01:23:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27526 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 01:23:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 01:23:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A0331999B; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0D20919992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 12:22:40 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 12:22:39 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:22:36 -0400 It sounds like you're now having the same problems Axel had a few weeks ago. Can you make sure you are running the latest kernel? That is, do: 9fat: cp /386/9pcdisk /n/9fat/9pcdisk then halt and reboot. I'm assuming you're booting from sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk; that's how the install program sets things up. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 01:26:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 01:26:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27557 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 01:26:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27553 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 01:26:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 01:26:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E5BD19999; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 19414199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 12:25:25 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 12:25:24 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <8e66cd1929367f3c09a2f1d4e06c9c9e@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] update from sources: d /sys/lib/dist/pc/inst/go ??? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:25:22 -0400 > Recently used inst/go to install, so I'm surprised to see it d'ed I shuffled things around a bit to make it easier to do that, and I split the functionality of ``inst/go'' into a few files. I'm fairly anal about removing files from sources when I remove them from our own tree, since the update scripts don't look for deletions to be done. I just pushed over a few more changes, so you can see what's going on. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 01:29:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 01:29:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27582 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 01:29:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27578 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 01:29:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 01:29:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 970741999B; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tech.pcmediconsite.com (unknown [64.238.124.139]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 81F4019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 10.0.1.141 ([10.0.1.141]) by tech.pcmediconsite.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.0a3-cvs) with SMTP ID 269 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:31:35 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01c260c0$5011b400$8d01000a@esc> From: "adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <000401c260ac$fca94bb0$2d01a8c0@holdingmf.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Mail comes in, but... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:11:01 -0400 Thank you, I`m looking into bringing Plan9 into the Workplace, currently all my servers run on FreeBSD, but I wanted to explore using Plan9. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [9fans] Mail comes in, but... > In /mail/lib you can copy rewrite.gateway to rewrite and change it to > fit your needing. > > The instructions to make the modifications to fit your network are on > top of file. > > Un saludo. > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu] En nombre > de Adrian > Enviado el: viernes, 20 de septiembre de 2002 14:02 > Para: 9fans > Asunto: [9fans] Mail comes in, but... > > Okay I got the mail coming in but , I haven`t yet > been able to send out. I wanted to use my providers > smtp server, rather than running one of my own. > Do I set up smtpd to forward mail ? Or what is my game plan? > I`m getting close here, and appreciate the help. > > Adrian > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 01:39:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 01:39:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27632 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 01:39:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27628 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 01:39:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 01:39:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8F9E199D5; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nob.twindy.net (wireless36.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.48.136]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47107199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from vic@localhost) by nob.twindy.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g8KGcZM01729; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:38:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: nob.twindy.net: vic set sender to zandy@cs.wisc.edu using -f To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] question about union dirs From: vic Message-ID: Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090004 (Oort Gnus v0.04) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 11:38:35 -0500 Sounds reasonable. > If a remote server gets disconnected from > your machine, then the TCP or IL connection breaks In the TCP case, suppose this search is the first operation since the disconnection occurred (no prior outstanding tcp transmissions). Does the search block until TCP gives up (13 or so minutes later), or is the "hungup" condition somehow marked sooner? > and that part of the union is marked as ``hungup'' > and ignored. Can the user (of say rc) discover this? For example, suppose I expect to be getting /bin/foo from the disconnected service. If I quietly get a different /bin/foo from something further down the union, I might be baffled. Vic From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 01:46:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 01:46:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27696 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 01:46:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27692 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 01:46:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 01:46:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C25E19A00; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (crufty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A5AC199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grubby.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-9.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.9]) by crufty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8KGjGLI037352 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcs.research.bell-labs.com (mcs.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.32.15]) by grubby.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8KGj7o52889 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SAHUGUETLT ([135.104.20.65]) by mcs.research.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA2432575 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <022f01c260c5$133fb040$141919ac@bl.belllabs.com> From: "Arnaud SAHUGUET" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] =?iso-8859-1?Q?How_Apache_&_Plan_9_will_defeat_Microsoft's_Passport?= Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 12:44:36 -0400 http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0918.plan9.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 02:10:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 02:10:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27922 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 02:10:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27918 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 02:10:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 02:10:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E121199E3; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6DA9619999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17884 invoked by uid 567); 20 Sep 2002 17:09:36 -0000 From: gabidiaz@ipsoluciones.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth problems (again?) Message-ID: <20020920190936.A17693@ns1.ipsoluciones.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com on Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 12:22:36PM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:09:36 +0200 On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 12:22:36PM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > It sounds like you're now having the same problems > Axel had a few weeks ago. Can you make sure you > are running the latest kernel? That is, do: > > 9fat: > cp /386/9pcdisk /n/9fat/9pcdisk > > then halt and reboot. > I'm assuming you're booting from sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk; > that's how the install program sets things up. > > Russ > That's is!! Thank you Russ. i forgot to copy from /sys/src/9/pc Un saludo From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 02:11:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 02:11:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27948 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 02:11:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27944 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 02:11:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 02:11:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D140B199EC; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D8AEF1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 13:10:01 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 13:10:00 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] question about union dirs From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:10:00 -0400 > In the TCP case, suppose this search is the first > operation since the disconnection occurred (no prior > outstanding tcp transmissions). Does the search block > until TCP gives up (13 or so minutes later), or is > the "hungup" condition somehow marked sooner? Yes, it blocks, but TCP should give up after 30 seconds. > Can the user (of say rc) discover this? For example, > suppose I expect to be getting /bin/foo from the > disconnected service. If I quietly get a different > /bin/foo from something further down the union, I might > be baffled. If the user knew what the mount number for that connection was, ls -l would show different numbers. For example: g% ls -l /n/kfs/adm/users --rw-rw-r-- M 25 adm adm 140 Aug 28 08:37 /n/kfs/adm/users g% ls -l /n/emelie/adm/users --rw-rw-r-- M 57 adm adm 10458 Jul 19 11:08 /n/emelie/adm/users g% ls -l /n/kfs/adm/users --rw-rw-r-- M 57 adm adm 10458 Jul 19 11:08 /n/kfs/adm/users g% ls -l /n/kfs/adm|grep users --rw-rw-r-- M 57 adm adm 10458 Jul 19 11:08 /n/kfs/adm/users --rw-rw-r-- M 25 adm adm 140 Aug 28 08:37 /n/kfs/adm/users g% The 'M 25' says that this file is coming from the mount device (it's a 9P service rather than a kernel device) instance number 25. Each mount gets a different instance number. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 04:06:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 04:06:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28754 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 04:06:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28750 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 04:06:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 04:06:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 015C419981; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from uky.edu (smtp.uky.edu [128.163.2.127]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBEF719999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bebark2 [139.55.28.254] by uky.edu with NetMail ModWeb Module; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:01:47 -0400 From: "Brandon Elam Barker" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: bebark2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1032548507.bf28df40bebark2@uky.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [9fans] ISO updates Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: bebark2@uky.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:01:47 -0400 I'm just curious as to how often the ISO images available at plan9.bell-lab= s.com are updated. Thanks, Brandon Barker From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 04:09:38 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 04:09:38 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28762 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 04:09:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28758 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 04:09:37 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 04:09:37 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC3DB199BE; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8A96E19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 15:08:34 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.243 ([141.154.232.243]) by plan9; Fri Sep 20 15:08:33 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <2ab632adc754039e29381371c941fe1e@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ISO updates MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:08:32 -0400 Not very often. We expect people to get their updates by running replica/pull. The ISO image takes a little more time to put together since we want to make sure an install will work off it. The ISO images for things like Python and Perl are updated even more rarely, basically whenever there's a reason to upgrade (like I or someone else needs some new feature). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 05:57:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 05:57:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29396 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 05:57:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29392 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 05:57:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 05:57:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 490511999B; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA27219988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patton ([12.226.228.159]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020920205623.RIPX8126.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@patton> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:56:23 +0000 Message-ID: <666c483f453c198c4a7afa93a93194be@cs.cmu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: David Swasey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] acme news Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:56:29 -0400 The acme news interface includes Newpost in every group window and Reply in every message window. This means that for moderated groups (like comp.os.plan9), acme will let you compose a message only to fail when you Post. I prefer to omit these bits of text when nntpfs(4) does not provide a post file. Diffs follow. -dave diff ./news.c /n/sources/plan9/acme/news/src/news.c 853,854c853 < if(canpost) wintagwrite(m->w, "Reply ", 6); < wintagwrite(m->w, "Headers ", 8); --- > wintagwrite(m->w, "Reply Headers ", 6+8); 1000,1001c999 < if(canpost) wintagwrite(w, "Newpost ", 8); < wintagwrite(w, "More ", 5); --- > wintagwrite(w, "Newpost More ", 8+5); From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 06:02:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 06:02:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29429 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 06:02:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29425 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 06:02:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 06:02:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD01B199BE; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2580D199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12472 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8KL1eQ09809; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8KL1dj08883 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:39 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209202101.g8KL1dj08883@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Subject: [9fans] lens: tiny fix for 'g' command Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:39 +0200 term% diff /n/slurp/sys/src/cmd/lens.c /sys/src/cmd/lens.c 101a102 > break; term% Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 08:24:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 08:24:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30276 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 08:24:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30272 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 08:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 08:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0388199B6; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9CCE319992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e8e490772796ee4f293b855ba2e305d@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cron auth From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:23:26 -0700 Are you starting a factotum on your auth server explicitly? The kernel always starts one (as yourself on a terminal and as bootes on a cpu server), so you probably shouldn't start a second bootes factotum. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 11:01:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 11:01:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 513 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 11:01:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 509 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 11:01:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 11:01:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C595019995; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E81DC19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921020031.VPEF10370.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:00:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c26112$c24e6b60$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] 9 in the news Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:01:09 +0100 How Apache & Plan 9 will defeat Microsoft's Passport http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0918.plan9.html http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/20/1532208&mode=nested&tid=156 --- Outgoing mail is certified as idiotic. 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 20:17:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 20:17:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7473 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 20:17:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7469 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 20:17:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 20:17:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FA1C19999; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A653819999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 07:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8LBGTx8024903 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:16:30 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8LBGOjs024902 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:16:24 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news Message-ID: <20020921131623.H22351@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <000701c26112$c24e6b60$6501a8c0@KIKE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <000701c26112$c24e6b60$6501a8c0@KIKE>; from matt on Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 03:01:09AM +0100 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:16:24 +0200 On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 03:01:09AM +0100, matt wrote: > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/20/1532208&mode=nested&tid=156 > Is it just me, or were the responses surprisingly uninformed? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 21:35:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 21:35:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8016 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 21:35:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8012 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 21:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 21:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E06B9199A3; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BBEC219999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /sys/src/9/pc/ether82557.c Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:34:13 -0400 There is a new /sys/src/9/pc/ether82557.c available. It tries to work around a hardware bug in some recent versions of the controller when connected at 10Mb/s half-duplex. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 22:56:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 22:56:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8699 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 22:56:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8695 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 22:56:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 22:56:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8FFA199B6; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B5CD51998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b50a04c440bd556020e69a7e8b5a094@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bcthibyfjmfplbfdrrijxejqmw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:55:15 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bcthibyfjmfplbfdrrijxejqmw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just in case you notice. I fixed a couple of capitalization and grammar mistakes in the Licence noticed by Micah Stetson. Since I changed something, I changed the version number as well. For the combination conspiracy theorists & numerologists out there, the new md5sum of the LICENCE divided by hex DEADBEEF*DEADBABE ends with the 5 characters c1a55 which looks like class which might mean we're switching to C++ or maybe C# which is really C++ with the pluses shifted a little. --upas-bcthibyfjmfplbfdrrijxejqmw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 17:51:29 EDT 2002 Received: from cnm-vra.com ([209.76.64.46]) by plan9; Tue Sep 10 17:51:28 EDT 2002 Received: from micah by cnm-vra.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17osus-0004jM-00; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:51:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:51:26 -0700 To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license Message-ID: <20020910145126.A18040@cnm-vra.com> References: <6546803f004429565d740d65525b51a0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <6546803f004429565d740d65525b51a0@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com on Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 03:21:18PM -0400 From: Micah Stetson > My eyes are tearing from trying to read this friggin thing over and > over again. If anyone notices more problems, please email me asap. Just a couple of typos: 163c163 < Agreement. A copy of the Plan 9 open Source License Agreement is --- > Agreement. A copy of the Plan 9 Open Source License Agreement is 181c181 < available from You, and describes how to it may be obtained by --- > available from You, and describes how it may be obtained by Thanks for getting this license stuff fixed, I really appreciate the work you guys do to make Plan 9 available for the rest of us. Micah --upas-bcthibyfjmfplbfdrrijxejqmw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 23:47:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 23:47:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9102 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 23:47:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9098 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 23:47:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 23:47:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2754199E3; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cosym.net (peter.sys.9srv.net [64.7.3.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 44032199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:46:16 -0400 (EDT) From: anothy@cosym.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020921144616.44032199B7@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:39:15 -0400 // Is it just me, or were the responses surprisingly uninformed? well, given that it's slashdot, i'm impressed by how well-reasoned and rational the whole thing's been! and the article itself isn't exactly stellar writing: AT&T Bell Labs? c'mon, guys... that was an okay mistake to make in '97. and the article vaugely says the ideas in plan 9 will defeat passport, but doesn't really say anything about how. oh, Sun or Linux will pick 'em up and do something great with them. because he says so. okay. ã‚¢ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 21 23:53:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 21 23:53:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9145 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Sep 2002 23:53:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9141 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 23:53:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 23:53:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A625019980; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E662B19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <389925869064fef84ecf79afbc6adb51@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:52:43 -0400 > Is it just me, or were the responses surprisingly uninformed? It's hard to be surprised at the uninformedness of a Slashdot discussion. Still, it was impressive to me that no one understood what single sign-on really meant. Everyone had the Microsoft version stuck in their heads. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 00:23:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 00:23:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9493 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 00:23:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9489 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 00:23:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 00:23:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E3F2199BE; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B1C619999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grubby.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-9.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.9]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8LFMNhN058831 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mcs.research.bell-labs.com (mcs.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.32.15]) by grubby.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8LFMHo23505 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SAHUGUETLT ([135.104.20.76]) by mcs.research.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA2421830 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004d01c26182$ab10e890$6601a8c0@bl.belllabs.com> From: "Arnaud SAHUGUET" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <000701c26112$c24e6b60$6501a8c0@KIKE> <20020921131623.H22351@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:21:46 -0400 The original article from LinuxWorld is a real mess. They mix together so many different things and the title is really misleading. The /. comments are the usual stuff. A lot of noise especially when the thread gets "hijacked" on a totally different track. But it is good PR for Plan9, putting it back on the radar screen of some people. This is called mindshare. regards, Arnaud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucio De Re" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news > On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 03:01:09AM +0100, matt wrote: > > > > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/20/1532208&mode=nested&tid=156 > > > Is it just me, or were the responses surprisingly uninformed? > > ++L > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 00:32:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 00:32:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9583 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 00:32:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9579 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 00:32:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 00:32:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97121199B9; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7A3419988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nas.com (max2-d114.nas.com [206.63.102.243]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5390FEB3CA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D8C96DE.5040600@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news References: <000701c26112$c24e6b60$6501a8c0@KIKE> <20020921131623.H22351@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:57:18 -0700 Lucio De Re wrote: > On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 03:01:09AM +0100, matt wrote: >>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/09/20/1532208&mode=nested&tid=156 >> > Is it just me, or were the responses surprisingly uninformed? I'm less informed than I should be, and I felt the same way. I was unimpressed by the LinuxWorld article in general, but yes, Slashdot isn't what it used to be. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 00:36:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 00:36:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9633 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 00:36:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9629 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 00:36:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 00:36:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF29E199EE; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id ED1B319988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57aad059f16cdd9dbc4dab08abaff1c2@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:35:05 -0400 > Slashdot isn't what it used to be. It never was. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 01:02:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 01:02:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9998 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 01:02:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9994 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 01:02:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 01:02:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11560199E3; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7648C19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nas.com (max2-d114.nas.com [206.63.102.243]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C14EB3BD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D8C9DE7.5050308@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license References: <7b50a04c440bd556020e69a7e8b5a094@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:27:19 -0700 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > switching to C++ or maybe C# which is really C++ with the pluses shifted > a little. I always assumed it was shorthand for C++++. Besides, we're not that easy to fool. We all know you'd use Dâ™­ instead. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 01:02:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 01:02:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10005 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 01:02:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10001 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 01:02:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 01:02:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1D5C199B9; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23FDB19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acl.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id g8LG1htv017425 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:01:43 -0600 Received: (qmail 2934291 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2002 10:01:43 -0600 Received: from xed.acl.lanl.gov (128.165.147.191) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:01:43 -0600 Received: (qmail 22268 invoked by uid 3499); 21 Sep 2002 10:01:42 -0600 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Sep 2002 10:01:42 -0600 From: Ronald G Minnich X-X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news In-Reply-To: <20020921131623.H22351@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 10:01:42 -0600 (MDT) On Sat, 21 Sep 2002, Lucio De Re wrote: > Is it just me, or were the responses surprisingly uninformed? It's slashdot. What else do you need to know? ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 01:08:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 01:08:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10069 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 01:08:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10065 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87969199E8; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 346C01998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nas.com (max2-d114.nas.com [206.63.102.243]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC439EB3E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:07:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D8C9F62.3040102@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news References: <57aad059f16cdd9dbc4dab08abaff1c2@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:33:38 -0700 rob pike, esq. wrote: >>Slashdot isn't what it used to be. > > It never was. True, but I think when it was less popular I think it was easier to start a semi-rational discussion. Now, with 200+ comments on every story, you really have to want to look if you want to find an interesting idea in the flotsam. Conversely, I think Usenet is returning to its roots because of it's lack of popularity in the face of the Web, and Google's archives make it that much more useful. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 01:22:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 01:22:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10220 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 01:22:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10216 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 01:22:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 01:22:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FF89199B7; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52DC7199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8LGLHx8025211 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:21:18 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8LGLGuE025210 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:21:16 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] *&^(%&*^$% license Message-ID: <20020921182115.J22351@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <7b50a04c440bd556020e69a7e8b5a094@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <7b50a04c440bd556020e69a7e8b5a094@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com on Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:55:15AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:21:15 +0200 On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 09:55:15AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > For the combination conspiracy theorists & numerologists out there, the > new md5sum of the LICENCE divided by hex DEADBEEF*DEADBABE ends with > the 5 characters c1a55 which looks like class which might mean we're > switching to C++ or maybe C# which is really C++ with the pluses shifted > a little. Surely it's going to be Java? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 02:17:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 02:17:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10751 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 02:17:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10747 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 02:17:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 02:17:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55795199B7; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B5581999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020921171633.HVPK6170.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:16:33 +0100 Message-ID: <012801c26192$baa61040$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <57aad059f16cdd9dbc4dab08abaff1c2@plan9.bell-labs.com> <3D8C9F62.3040102@nas.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:17:12 +0100 The regulation one plan9 article a year and my account is locked out. --- Outgoing mail is certified as idiotic. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 04:08:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 04:08:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11886 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 04:08:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11882 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 04:08:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 04:08:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1B2119995; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B934B19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Eric Grosse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] aescbc patch Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:07:31 -0400 /sys/src/cmd/auth/secstore/aescbc.c contains a blunder. A bug wipes out the encryption key, so the "encrypted" file is trivially crackable. This command had not been used anywhere yet, as far as we know, and was only supplied as emergency backup for decrypting a file saved on secstore (if you know its passphrase.) Secstore itself has been properly encrypting files and is not at risk. Many thanks to Charles Forsyth for reporting the bug. To my embarassment, I'd long ago fixed the bug in libc and not noticed that the broken code had been copied into aescbc.c. I have taken this opportunity to upgrade the authentication algorithm and padding inside aescbc. This doesn't matter much in secstore but might be worthwhile if you dare use aescbc for general purpose file encryption. Perhaps NIST will soon settle on new modes of operation for AES and we can switch to a standardized solution. Thanks to Daniel Bleichenbacher for advice on this. Pick up the fixed code from /n/sources/sys/src/cmd/auth/secstore/ or from http://netlib.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html and mk aescbc.installall. An unrelated item: Kenji Arisawa also gets our thanks for a bug report on the secstore client; there was a duplicate free in the password changing code which caused a panic as the program was ending, but causes no harm. This fix (and the ones above) went into sources and the distribution last weekend, so if you've done an update recently you're covered. Eric From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 05:16:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 05:16:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12679 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 05:16:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12675 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 05:16:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 05:16:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D42D199BB; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C82EC199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <361a839c6b992574549efeb31156042e@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:15:05 -0400 Thanks, I've updated sources. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 05:23:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 05:23:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12743 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 05:23:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12739 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 05:23:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 05:23:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75F7A199B9; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9FDD319988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6cc5032680da726ca6b5773f22221e33@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu/auth auth/changeuser problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:22:53 -0400 auth/keyfs should be run in cpurc, so that there is one running for the whole machine. Then, at the auth server, you should be able to run auth/changeuser. A bad character in a file name under /mnt/keys means that you've used the wrong password. After adding a user, you should see the user when you do ls /mnt/keys. Try this: 1. decide on a auth id (say, bootes) and password 2. run auth/wrkey to set the password 3. run ">/adm/keys" to reset key database 4. put "auth/keyfs -wp -m /mnt/keys /adm/keys" in your cpurc 5. reboot your cpu server 6. run auth/changeuser bootes and set the same password 7. ls /mnt/keys; make sure bootes is there 8. run auth/changeuser to create an account for yourself. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 05:29:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 05:29:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12816 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 05:29:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12812 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 05:29:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 05:29:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7490F199DD; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4698619988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2a76c3a6256b3262f9b79f136eb331e9@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:28:11 -0700 netnews becoming useful again? surely this is a sign of the end times. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 06:56:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 06:56:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13688 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 06:56:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13684 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 06:56:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 06:56:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D3AE199B7; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10527199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk ([194.222.126.246] helo=localhost.localdomain) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17ssDS-000LlM-0V for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:55:07 +0100 Received: from whitecrow (IDENT:steve@whitecrow [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02074 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:55:07 +0100 Message-Id: <200209212155.WAA02074@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news In-Reply-To: Message from Lucio De Re of "Sat, 21 Sep 2002 13:16:24 +0200." <20020921131623.H22351@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steve Kilbane Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:55:07 +0100 > Is it just me, or were the responses surprisingly uninformed? I'm surprised anybody bothers to read them in the first place. Life's too short. steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 22 21:04:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 22 21:04:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24331 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Sep 2002 21:04:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24327 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 21:04:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 21:04:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7943C19992; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ns.mccme.ru (ns.mccme.ru [195.133.68.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AF9A1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.mccme.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id OAA15614 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:28:56 +0400 Received: by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6B36B56EC4; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:45:23 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C8656EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:45:23 +0400 (MSD) From: George Bronnikov X-X-Sender: goga@corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463811327-1412355860-1032691523=:2471" Subject: [9fans] Russian keyboard Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:45:23 +0400 (MSD) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1463811327-1412355860-1032691523=:2471 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hello, with some pushing from Andrey Kuchar (thanks!), I have made a Russian keyboard map for use with nemo's keyboard drivers. To use it, you need to compile the kernel with /dev/kbmap support -- diffs to nemo's /sys/src/9/pcdisk attached. Upon startup (in /bin/termrc, preferably), you need to do bind -a '#ð' /dev cat /lib/kbmap/kbd_ru.map > /dev/kbmap It replaces the Bulgarian keymap (I doubt anyone would want to use both). Now the question: I don't like the idea of having lots of kbmaps compiled into the kernel (That's why I didn't make kbmap_ru.c). I'd probably prefer several maps, initialized to kbmap_default, and controlled via /dev/kbmap. Should I make such changes? Should maps appear dynamically (for example, a map appears when a "reset n" or "keymap n" message with a new n is sent to /dev/kbmap)? What are the disadvantages of such a scheme compared to compiled-in maps? 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This was pretty much all of them, so the next time you update you'll get about 60MB of new files. Most of the changes are really just debugging line information moving around or inconsequential changes to the fmt library, but I was getting tired of keeping track of which binaries were really out of date and which binaries only looked out of date. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 03:23:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 03:23:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28934 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 03:23:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28930 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 03:23:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 03:23:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A6CAB19981; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8C27E19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <52654b5fd74bdb4eff597bd5d9bbd25b@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sources binaries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tklqzxphsmcqsxiyizhilyrfes" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:22:02 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tklqzxphsmcqsxiyizhilyrfes Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You did the right thing. --upas-tklqzxphsmcqsxiyizhilyrfes Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Sep 22 13:51:29 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Sep 22 13:51:24 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CF69199A3; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5D94419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] sources binaries Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 13:50:14 -0400 I recompiled all the binaries and libraries and updated the ones that were ``old'' on sources. This was pretty much all of them, so the next time you update you'll get about 60MB of new files. Most of the changes are really just debugging line information moving around or inconsequential changes to the fmt library, but I was getting tired of keeping track of which binaries were really out of date and which binaries only looked out of date. Russ --upas-tklqzxphsmcqsxiyizhilyrfes-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 07:23:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 07:23:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30203 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 07:23:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30199 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 07:23:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 07:23:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37B2D199B9; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D648B19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25564 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g8MMMAi11114 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200209222222.g8MMMAi11114@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 21 Sep 2002 11:35:05 EDT." <57aad059f16cdd9dbc4dab08abaff1c2@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:22:10 -0400 Amen. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 08:57:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 08:57:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30691 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 08:57:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30687 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 08:57:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 08:57:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EE68199BF; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A8AD19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 19:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA10448 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:56:47 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host 80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17tGa1-0000Ol-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:56:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15758.22668.111488.721214@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan 9 vmware tools available In-Reply-To: :Russ Cox's message of 22:18:06 Thursday,19 September 2002 References: X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:55:56 +0200 Russ Cox writes: > - the snarf buffer is shared with the host system > - the mouse cursor isn't trapped anymore > This is great!!!. Thanks a lot. -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 17:01:38 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 17:01:38 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3372 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 17:01:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3368 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 17:01:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 17:01:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 466C219999; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 04:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 26FD719980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 04:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9af3d93e90ba8c45b5dc8f1f852ee06c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-cralzjgjyxbobadfdhknbwetnm" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:00:42 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-cralzjgjyxbobadfdhknbwetnm Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit : sent to /dev/kbmap)? What are the disadvantages of such a scheme : compared to compiled-in maps? A compiled map can be activated even before you get the connection to the file system. That's useful, since usually people have to type weird characters to choose their boot file system (if other than default). Here we compile the us and the spanish maps, and both students (spanish map) and me (us map) can type using the preferred map at the root / user / secstore passwd prompts. I'll merge your map into the kbmap tar after generating a .c file from your map file. thanks a lot --upas-cralzjgjyxbobadfdhknbwetnm Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Sun Sep 22 14:04:37 MDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7943C19992; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ns.mccme.ru (ns.mccme.ru [195.133.68.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AF9A1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.mccme.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id OAA15614 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:28:56 +0400 Received: by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6B36B56EC4; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:45:23 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C8656EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:45:23 +0400 (MSD) From: George Bronnikov X-X-Sender: goga@corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1463811327-1412355860-1032691523=:2471" Subject: [9fans] Russian keyboard Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:45:23 +0400 (MSD) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1463811327-1412355860-1032691523=:2471 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Hello, with some pushing from Andrey Kuchar (thanks!), I have made a Russian keyboard map for use with nemo's keyboard drivers. To use it, you need to compile the kernel with /dev/kbmap support -- diffs to nemo's /sys/src/9/pcdisk attached. Upon startup (in /bin/termrc, preferably), you need to do bind -a '#ð' /dev cat /lib/kbmap/kbd_ru.map > /dev/kbmap It replaces the Bulgarian keymap (I doubt anyone would want to use both). Now the question: I don't like the idea of having lots of kbmaps compiled into the kernel (That's why I didn't make kbmap_ru.c). I'd probably prefer several maps, initialized to kbmap_default, and controlled via /dev/kbmap. Should I make such changes? Should maps appear dynamically (for example, a map appears when a "reset n" or "keymap n" message with a new n is sent to /dev/kbmap)? What are the disadvantages of such a scheme compared to compiled-in maps? 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I'm sorry. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 21:51:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 21:51:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5902 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 21:51:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5898 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 21:51:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 21:51:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD2C519992; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 26B53199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 06:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cron auth From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-izcdxogqcqmerzxypgkycuqofr" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:31:46 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-izcdxogqcqmerzxypgkycuqofr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I start just one factotum (at boot time, the kernel launches one). What I do is to update its set of keys later, when secstore starts. I'll check to see if I have an old rexexec version as Presotto said. Thank u all for your help. --upas-izcdxogqcqmerzxypgkycuqofr Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Sat Sep 21 01:24:27 MDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0388199B6; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9CCE319992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 19:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3e8e490772796ee4f293b855ba2e305d@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cron auth From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:23:26 -0700 Are you starting a factotum on your auth server explicitly? The kernel always starts one (as yourself on a terminal and as bootes on a cpu server), so you probably shouldn't start a second bootes factotum. --upas-izcdxogqcqmerzxypgkycuqofr-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 21:51:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 21:51:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5910 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 21:51:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5906 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 21:51:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 21:51:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58D21199EC; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 07:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6C4EA199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 07:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f3182f411c93d60f92ef72187950489@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cron auth From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:36:40 +0200 : You have an old /sys/src/cmd/ip/rexexec.c? I had an old ip/rexexec.c and I'm an .... thanks. that was it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 22:22:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 22:22:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6169 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 22:22:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6165 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 22:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 22:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D4FC199E4; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 778F0199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f47d0b737cc61d8d6247fe80ec97a1c@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] lens: tiny fix for 'g' command From: rog@vitanuova.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vgcyrbgoovghrondfskxkshrfw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:29:42 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vgcyrbgoovghrondfskxkshrfw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here's a version that does a proper grid rather than a chequerboard at larger magnifications. i think it's a little nicer. --upas-vgcyrbgoovghrondfskxkshrfw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for rog@vitanuova.com id 1032555759:10:29699:10; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 21:02:39 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118196; 20 Sep 2002 21:02 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BAB5199B9; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2580D199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12472 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8KL1eQ09809; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:41 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8KL1dj08883 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:39 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209202101.g8KL1dj08883@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Subject: [9fans] lens: tiny fix for 'g' command Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 23:01:39 +0200 term% diff /n/slurp/sys/src/cmd/lens.c /sys/src/cmd/lens.c 101a102 > break; term% Axel. --upas-vgcyrbgoovghrondfskxkshrfw Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=lens.c.gz Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 H4sIAOS1Uj0AA6VXUXPbNgx+ln4F610byrId20m7NHZylyW5bg/tetn2sKW5nWxSNi8y5VFy Im31fx9AUpTsOM56u+QsEgQ+gABIgN8JOU1WjJPxqjc/9+tpIibTTQpT0eMmhT9wmSPJ53K1 IP/43jWbcXJG3nZ872NULKIZTAbv/PXI9z+nQuYkibJ8OfJ/giVO2oozN84XNX2mBNuYLKI8 547ywEXiJtM5/2vF1cgHeC+bKs5lzMzM6D+2S/P0EaGA0h/5N3yaR3KWcCsC8qvpPFJe28wn qxhsfkgFQxQp4pLiJBhpGllE9xzBKqKm+ughkRuaD95wSgjAe5NUMa6owe8Q8+2eqw5Br3UI OKND/vgMaE4ljhUYLGTGcwVodEsKGVCrQwU6OLJDpEj0CDh7CyGRL05W2Vyg0ygT2TKJyg4Z wMLa99FBZFIul9VOFpGQFImRmk07BD1D2jB+uL3TO7vGyBOIiKeXwFu3b9uD4R0QVkkqZygh YYIQEAzf++2X6ytqwBAG7RExaBC5Nl+bq39aCZdZKyBj0g9AkRcvFYDQoV05JZUMiSORcHZK XqsvsoWAHi9EntFWxaGJa9/jSKDXi3SV8a/X97ycpJFi2rcc0yFKknS65RgMHe13CPwP0E0d cvnx4vOJnl3dcC2NafifxT/cXP9uxPvFUYx/cRxo/+n0fRkHPDC0OANjxg9JNL13GWCBdum2 cN3zx7nIuXW0ybQdogbdqtsjqo8y2M3EwzKnEWPLRnpi0jVyvLeIigARQa46oyCaLrmkrUPG Hw4NtdUhP99cX1zZ/HCsz2bDNJIHucYhDZgdSWHxbUoAtuIRcwo6mMJgr/ibpzGOA/LqrDnd oxyBvkk5ng3YfJarPMUxRQUYCyDiPE8ZX+ZzimPrCPTAyT4jgJXBPWMUkThVcGOS14NBbzDI vqBbrY7dFuHRx0genrj46Aj2CszLPBVoYjiAEx5sMZRNhuE2Q1RsIhztYNhAON5gAAosLvTB oGhj+6qwIVNB+6p044100VJnmKm7HQbrMRw4A/v8LWLW3R2iOGYDo3287T1wMB2NAuDO4Maf zqkuhfQND7TOaZRx4m6aU6A4vt79hE01k+E6+OvgtJ586R+bqbUCNzGql8+avKHlhI1joRsT U3ENtoc1JAxH1diWq8ASbKWy07X+nUAi3zeUzSx+o3C+qsZGbht2E3Ubr9s0/s9N48/hnqrt 7nb/j929ph5i9ew3bXCA5whHQzc6cqNjN3rrRu/c6Hs3OnGj93Z00LfqTSdigt8F6qi5eUjW fuA2jx1T/9v8q/0AYAYf8SCryNevpEHAzAp2ZZaDMUmrq+SpA9TT3mSV56nMbIiqi79aLcod 5q03sNfYZdjOotk5YS8hYkJ1fr0yh5boUwsn2dRCXNKQNgcl9n7mDie0ykcjhBRzFI4NoZJ5 obTCQntoP8+UWLM7bcy2qP7ZXyqfSldyT5TvRXGtMOzJNMHgWsITCNy3bdfarMN2+ePFpyG9 /KA4sEGLcnmRLOcRDAPjg19VJLNlpOCCe9ET2G24bmKvA2x3Ujlvt1Bzv9Ju128kk7uVsc+U /NHmE4UhefOGzHj+KCRLH5tuiGUq+Z7+0hX1PI+mc5KnxGDsKBGGpSoRdcpC3400+LwcDFfR oEsKuuYl4Cqbo4X2bq9bKmwODMCnNBZJYkug1rmn+NXWPF/5ap5qa/XJro9x41GkvQ4RKDoE NlfgB74MQi1G9g0ANFbaSZHG0GuV8AsE/eoi6Sq/PRm8Nw8ITcmWt8d3WGoZdhAU3GReM0GI BWIQHMIHmFmpV8vdq6gJ1vWF1Su6NcghNecNeNAO4pjKbo1VMwEX6rEmMzxjZjcxhYUqlYAe 2gXD368uKuAKYfWcNHsWI3HWpHVLFM44v290pviwCnX3U5bNBgiib4OOHahsSLg+aLfYk06K Md3u7qK/1Pc+bXkVz1dK6p2bPqk8649IOQa/kDIMNaLzZqidpR10ftbHM1uW4y0naZACQYox K+DXgnhegamBMQ4LV1CLwgIVxbixl8A7bJNMRiomS1HwBFpOm6ikfWhqL6oRqEaM9VOYCFBk ljzIRnGHPXvl2VvtLLrp2rAoglDcGVvwVvYr4b4WXt4O7Hdov0d3Jk38yoDCbLQYYwLD15mA W2tjTwebHruXPTbYlY377PfwgDmAoI0MobBGWIuxYldGL/gi4zkFKX3HVJlhD4aOsw6tiW2J 1urgaQUmhJYXl6uAPXKl4NVDWzIlMEyVyRjcW5JGzF2e9QVZAep70iLW1BDLjbZx28BmOlc0 kzP2jkN9rbpTWT/pKHA7eOP6tnRpswxUh5g65qqTLVhr/188PYopThMAAA== --upas-vgcyrbgoovghrondfskxkshrfw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 22:38:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 22:38:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6348 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 22:38:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6344 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 22:38:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 22:38:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDA3C199EC; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8B4819999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3/ic) with ESMTP id g8NDb7a4096371 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:37:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup11.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.26]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA63280 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:37:03 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02092316410000.00583@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:41:00 -0400 hello all, I can`t compile kernel with /dev/kbmap support. mk 'CONF=pcdisk' prints: ../boot/libboot.a8 doesn't exist: assuming it will be an archive 8c -FVw kbd.c mk: no recipe to make 'devkbmap.8' in directory /sys/src/9/pc kbd.c:80 name not declared: Latin kbd.c:100 name not declared: Latin kbd.c:120 name not declared: Latin kbd.c:321 name not declared: Latin kbd.c:370 name not declared: Latin here is my pcdisk file (may be something not correct in it): dev root cons arch pnp pci env pipe proc mnt srv dup rtc ssl tls cap kprof ether netif ip arp chandial ip ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium pktmedium ptclbsum386 inferno draw screen vga vgax mouse mouse vga sd floppy dma lpt audio dma pccard i82365 cis uart usb kbmap link devpccard devi82365 apm apmjump ether2000 ether8390 ether2114x pci ether589 etherelnk3 ether79c970 pci ether8003 ether8390 ether82557 pci etherec2t ether8390 etherelnk3 pci ethersink ethermedium pcmciamodem netdevmedium usbuhci misc edf archmp mp apic ipconfig.root kfs.root factotum.root cfs.root sdata pci sdscsi sd53c8xx pci sdscsi sdmylex pci sdscsi uarti8250 vga3dfx +cur vgaark2000pv +cur vgabt485 =cur vgaclgd542x +cur vgaclgd546x +cur vgact65545 +cur vgacyber938x +cur vgaet4000 +cur vgahiqvideo +cur vgai81x +cur vgamach64xx +cur vgamga2164w +cur vganeomagic +cur vgargb524 =cur vgas3 +cur vgasavage vgat2r4 +cur vgatvp3020 =cur vgatvp3026 =cur vgavmware +cur vganvidia +cur ip il tcp udp ipifc icmp port int cpuserver = 0; boot boot #S/sdC0/ il local thanks, -ask From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 22:41:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 22:41:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6372 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 22:41:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6368 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 22:41:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 22:41:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06BC519A08; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id ED47019A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:40:49 +0200 Did you tried extracting the kbd.tgz files from http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/ ? Otherwise, things will be missing for the compilation. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 23:12:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 23:12:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6643 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 23:12:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6639 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 23:12:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 23:12:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 588B619A04; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from maelmord.ragnartech.net (oss429AP.cslab.stthomas.edu [140.209.124.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E307B199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ragnar by maelmord.ragnartech.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17tTxj-0006iC-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:13:23 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news Message-ID: <20020923141323.GB30506@ragnartech.net> References: <2a76c3a6256b3262f9b79f136eb331e9@collyer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2a76c3a6256b3262f9b79f136eb331e9@collyer.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Peter Downs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 09:13:23 -0500 A good rule of thumb is that one out of every ten people is not a complete moron. One person may be able to keep a discussion under control with 9 morons in the room, but could 10 control a conversation with 90 morons hanging around? You can see it's a non-linear relationship. How many users are on slashdot now? You'll see the quality degrade anywhere there is a huge userbase. Even bad PR can be good, though. And anyone with half a mind to be able to find the plan9 web site, should find it's content informative. -peter From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 23:14:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 23:14:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6678 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 23:14:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6674 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 23:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 23:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B03CD19A0D; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ralph.worldwinner.com (unknown [209.202.131.155]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 049C719A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ralph.worldwinner.com (Postfix, from userid 504) id DF24D2C099; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:11:55 -0400 (EDT) From: John Saylor To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020923141155.GC4078@ralph.worldwinner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] rio failure Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:11:55 -0400 Hi I have successfully installed the 4th edition of plan 9 and will admit to getting a little tinge when I saw that lone percent sign staring at me. % I tried to start rio but I got this back: rio: can't open display: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: no frame buffer The graphics hardware that I have is as follows: chip: CL-GD5428 Rev 0 mem: 512K Is this just too wimpy to run rio? The chip is on the list, and I didn't see anything about memory requirements there ... -- .--- ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 23 23:35:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 23 23:35:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6882 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Sep 2002 23:35:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6878 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 23:35:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 23:35:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4622319A1C; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hkisrv08.tw.fi (host76-233.teleware.fi [193.65.76.233]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DDE819A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:34:22 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: [9fans] 9 in the news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] 9 in the news Thread-Index: AcJjDuQGkiA9Je0cQ7uRpHymvJ/Iaw== From: "Anssi Porttikivi" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:38:38 +0300 I think reading Slashdot responses at quality thresold 4/5, like I do, = is fairly nice. From that filtering perspective I see the quality of = comments and relevance of issues as better than most of computer = journalism. Of course, your own inner circle of gurus always knows = better... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 00:02:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 00:02:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7113 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 00:02:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7109 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 00:02:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 00:02:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C9C419A1C; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B726C199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <437bb3db4aa4a7e896c077012436d693@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio failure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:01:04 -0400 What does this print: whatis mouseport vgasize What happens if you do: aux/mouse ps2 aux/vga -m xga -l 640x480x16 Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 00:37:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 00:37:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7407 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 00:37:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7403 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 00:37:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 00:37:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AC6C19A25; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F5F319A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17tV8v-0004YH-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:29:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Ram'on Garc'ia Fern'andez Message-ID: <3D8F2E32.9050103@juguete.quim.ucm.es> Organization: UCM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Bug in bootable installation CD Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: ramon_NOSPAM@juguete.quim.ucm.es List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:28:54 GMT Hello, I have been unable to install Plan 9 using the ISO image downloaded today and booting from it. It fails to mount the virtual boot disk in the ISO image. The reason is that the command boota: assumes that the boot files are in a fat partition, and this is not the case with a bootable CD. The problem can be be fixed by modifying the following line of boota: case sd* adisk=`{echo $bootfile | sed 's#(sd..).*#/dev/\1/dos#'} replace /dos by /cdboot and it will work. However, that change would break the installation from a FAT partition. This can be solved by either having a different version of boota: in the virtual floppy of the CD, or by testing both /dev/sdxx/dos and /dev/sdxx/cdboot : case sd* adisk=`{echo $bootfile | sed 's#(sd..).*#/dev/\1/dos#'} if (! test -f $adisk) { adisk=`{echo $bootfile | sed 's#(sd..).*#/dev/\1/cdboot#'} } Thanks, Ramon From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 00:52:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 00:52:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8134 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 00:52:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8130 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 00:52:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 00:52:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4209119A29; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ralph.worldwinner.com (unknown [209.202.131.155]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBA5119A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ralph.worldwinner.com (Postfix, from userid 504) id A052D2C099; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:49:50 -0400 (EDT) From: John Saylor To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio failure Message-ID: <20020923154950.GE4078@ralph.worldwinner.com> References: <437bb3db4aa4a7e896c077012436d693@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <437bb3db4aa4a7e896c077012436d693@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:49:50 -0400 Hi ( 02.09.23 11:01 -0400 ) Russ Cox: > What does this print: > whatis mouseport vgasize mouseport=ps2 vgasize=800x600x8 > What happens if you do: > aux/mouse ps2 > aux/vga -m xga -l 640x480x16 The aux/mouse setting runs just fine [I am returned to the prompt] With the vga command I got this back: % aux/vga -m xga -l 640x480x16 aux/vga: clgd542x: depth 16 not supported So, I changed it to '640x480x8' and it kinda went into rio. I have a prompt that I can see [and use to shut down kfs], but most of the display is unusable. There are some veritical lines at the top, and bunches of horizontal lines at the bottom with the middle mostly blank. Also, when I start I see this: #A: no response #ff root is from (il, local)[local!#S/sdC0/fs]: user[none]: aro rxmitproc started kfs...version...time... init: starting /bin/rc dossrv: serving #s/dos Can't cd /usr/none: '/usr/none' does not exist lib/profile: rc: .: can't open: '/bin/lib' directory entry not found init: rc exit status: rc 13: can't open init: starting /bin/rc % I'm hoping the errors from rc are because I'm user 'none' rather than any kind of configuration error on my part. Thanks for your help so far. -- .--- ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 00:55:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 00:55:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8166 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 00:55:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8162 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 00:55:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 00:55:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 093F319A2C; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BB5C119A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 23 11:54:55 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.194 ([18.24.6.194]) by plan9; Mon Sep 23 11:54:54 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <3a9af6cb21bc2ca8252c49be72fbb776@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] rio failure From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:54:55 -0400 Log in as glenda rather than none. None is the anti-super user and by default doesn't start vga or rio (it's also the account of last resort when your vga settings are screwed up). The ``kinda went into rio'' mode was actually just vga without rio. Running rio would have started rio for you. Sorry about the confusion. 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Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02092320445500.00583@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:46:49 -0400 sorry that I waste your time again, but what I need to paste into [] of the mkkbmap file for defining: kbtabalt_en, kbtabshift_en, kbtab_en and kbtabesc1_en? thanks, -ask From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 04:15:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 04:15:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9575 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 04:15:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9571 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 04:15:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 04:15:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EB6A19A64; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ralph.worldwinner.com (unknown [209.202.131.155]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9981C19A17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ralph.worldwinner.com (Postfix, from userid 504) id AB9DF2C099; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:13:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Saylor To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020923191300.GB7126@ralph.worldwinner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] mail and the web Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:13:00 -0400 Hi I've done the install and it boots. I want to start using the system but I'm not quite sure how. 2 things that would be helpful are mail and the web. Is there any document somewhere that talks about setting up mail on plan9? I looked through the papers section on the bell labs website but all I found were academic papers about the design of the system, etc. Is there anything like a HOWTO? Should I just start searching the mailing list archives? Thanks. -- .--- ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 04:23:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 04:23:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9635 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 04:23:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9631 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 04:23:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 04:23:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62BEA199B9; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4268D199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mail and the web MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:22:04 -0400 http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9 might be useful to you. It certainly has mail instructions. Web is a tougher issue. There are some who use rudimentary web browsers, but I tend to run browsers on other systems (via vnc or VMware) instead. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 04:34:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 04:34:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9713 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 04:34:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9709 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 04:34:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 04:34:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D64919A73; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hacsek (adsl-2-95.tvnet.hu [195.38.115.95]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EBD6419A55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Zoltan Jarai" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] diffs for reading iso-8859-2 emails Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:33:37 +0200 I made a small change to upas/fs to handle emails encoded in iso-8859-2, since most people I get mail from, here in Hungary, use that. I know this is not relevant to most of you but some of you reading emails in charsets other than ASCII, UTF-8, ISO-8859-1 and BIG5 might find it useful, too. I had to introduce a new member in struct Charset to bridge the discrepancy between the naming conventions of MIME and tcs. Zoli term% diff /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/fs.c /sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/fs.c 1351a1352 > char *tcsname; 1354,1357c1355,1359 < { "us-ascii", 8, 1, }, < { "utf-8", 5, 0, }, < { "iso-8859-1", 10, 1, }, < { "big5", 4, 2, }, --- > { "us-ascii", 8, 1, nil, }, > { "utf-8", 5, 0, nil, }, > { "iso-8859-1", 10, 1, nil, }, > { "iso-8859-2", 10, 2, "8859-2", }, > { "big5", 4, 2, "big5", }, 1411c1413 < if(xtoutf(charsets[i].name, &x, decoded, decoded+len) <= 0){ --- > if(xtoutf(charsets[i].tcsname, &x, decoded, decoded+len) <= 0){ term% term% diff /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/mbox.c /sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/mbox.c 1068a1069,1077 > } else if(cistrcmp(s_to_c(m->charset), "iso-8859-2") == 0){ > len = xtoutf("8859-2", &x, m->body, m->bend); > if(len != 0){ > if(m->ballocd) > free(m->body); > m->body = x; > m->bend = x + len; > m->ballocd = 1; > } term% From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 05:06:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 05:06:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9940 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 05:06:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9936 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:06:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:06:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A07519A55; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from thefrayedknot.armory.com (thefrayedknot.armory.com [192.122.209.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 87DD919A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26356 invoked by uid 1000); 23 Sep 2002 20:04:40 -0000 From: Andrew To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mail and the web Message-ID: <20020923200440.GB26329@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20020923191300.GB7126@ralph.worldwinner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020923191300.GB7126@ralph.worldwinner.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:04:40 -0700 for mail, i found the man page extremely helpful as well as the wiki. Mail just goes through a number of stages and you'll find that there are a few modifications to each stage you need to make. Most notably the rewrite file. I had the most problems there. Just remember that all mail goes through it, so it has to put local mail in local boxes and send out remote mail. The trick then is to make sure it matches your hostname, so it recognizes that mail as your own and doesnt try to deliver it remotely. In the case it delivers mail addressed to it remotely, it just comes right back again and loops around 20 or so times before it finally gives up and returns it to the sender. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 05:08:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 05:08:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9955 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 05:08:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9951 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4232619A58; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A4CB19A17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from term4e (pppoe1968.gh.centurytel.net [64.91.51.229]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id g8NK7ndt010589 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8b14daa8147b4ded2a490eb65f853a73@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] bdf2subf Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 12:26:53 -0400 I finished my attempt at bdf2subf. I've run it against several bdf files I found on the net, and feel comfortable enough to put it out for limited testing. It has correctly handled well formed files, and has caught syntax problems in a few files that were in error based on my reading of the specifications. If anybody is interested email me for the sources. If there is enough interest, I will mail to the list. pseudo man page: usage: bdf2subf [-r] -f bdfile [hex-hex] -r prints the contiguous ranges in the BDF file (for later input to itself). The printed ranges represent the value of the ENCODING keyword in the BDF file. hex-hex is the range of chars to extract in hex. (values of the ENCODING keyword). to convert a whole bdf file use something like: for (i in `{bdf2subf -r -f infile.bdf}) { bdf2subf -f infile.bdf $i > 'U+'^$i } to generate a range of Subfont files. Format of the BDF file needs to conform to the "Glyph Bitmap Distribution Format (BDF) Specification", Version 2.2 (22 March 1993) by Adobe Systems Inc. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 05:10:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 05:10:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9976 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 05:10:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9972 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:10:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:10:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABD88199A3; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21412.mail.yahoo.com (web21412.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9631119A59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020923200904.48081.qmail@web21412.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.204.130.251] by web21412.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:09:04 PDT From: William Gunnells To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20020922160014.20211.75762.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] factotum-secstore Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Trying to get secstore working. on auth: auth/secstored mkdir /adm/secstore mkdir /adm/secstore/store mkdir /adm/secstore/who auth/secuser william I'm logged in via term under account william on term: touch /tmp/factotum auth/secstore -s tcp!plan9!5356 -p /tmp/factotum -u william ramfs -p; cd /tmp auth/secstore -s tcp!plan9!5356 -g factotum -u william secstore password: secstore remote file factotum does not exist secstore failed The error on cpu/auth shows: plan9 Sep 23 09:54:07 secstore from 10.56.35.117!31394 plan9 Sep 23 09:54:24 AUTH william can't open /adm/secstore/store/william/factotum: '/adm/secstore/store/william/factotum' does not exist How do I correct this. I'm sure you don't touch the file in that directory because it won't authenticate a decrypted file. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 05:11:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 05:11:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9997 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 05:11:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9993 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:11:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:11:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3225619A63; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ns.mccme.ru (ns.mccme.ru [195.133.68.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE74E19A57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.mccme.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id WAA23712 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:30:43 +0400 Received: by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix, from userid 501) id BD25957095; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:09:05 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CE256ECB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:09:05 +0400 (MSD) From: George Bronnikov X-X-Sender: goga@corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <9af3d93e90ba8c45b5dc8f1f852ee06c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:09:05 +0400 (MSD) On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > : sent to /dev/kbmap)? What are the disadvantages of such a > scheme > : compared to compiled-in maps? > A compiled map can be activated even before you get the > connection to the file system. That's useful, since usually > people have to type weird characters to choose their boot file > system (if other than default). Now I see. It turns out the typical Spanish usage differs from the typical Russian usage. Spanish keyboard contains mostly the same characters as US, only in different order; thus it matters which layout you have when you type something at boot time (those are mostly Latin letters, I reckon). A Russian user, on the other hand, uses both the standard US layout and his own, and does not need Russian keyboard until the system is up and running. On the other hand, /dev/kbmap is crucial from my point of view: it means I can tune the environment even if I don't wholly control it. When I was in America, I had to configure an X terminal at the university in order to type emails home; with your default setup of a Plan 9 terminal that would mean recompiling the kernel, which is IMO an overkill for such a minor task. Goga From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 05:22:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 05:22:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10090 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 05:22:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10086 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:22:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:22:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BE2B19A57; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C6A0719A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: jarai@mail.tvnet.hu, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] diffs for reading iso-8859-2 emails MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-eenzjcgzmkyitebktlsevnfpgn" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:21:41 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-eenzjcgzmkyitebktlsevnfpgn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, I'll make the change to our sources. --upas-eenzjcgzmkyitebktlsevnfpgn Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 23 15:34:21 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Sep 23 15:34:19 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF06F19A66; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hacsek (adsl-2-95.tvnet.hu [195.38.115.95]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EBD6419A55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Zoltan Jarai" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] diffs for reading iso-8859-2 emails Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 21:33:37 +0200 I made a small change to upas/fs to handle emails encoded in iso-8859-2, since most people I get mail from, here in Hungary, use that. I know this is not relevant to most of you but some of you reading emails in charsets other than ASCII, UTF-8, ISO-8859-1 and BIG5 might find it useful, too. I had to introduce a new member in struct Charset to bridge the discrepancy between the naming conventions of MIME and tcs. Zoli term% diff /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/fs.c /sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/fs.c 1351a1352 > char *tcsname; 1354,1357c1355,1359 < { "us-ascii", 8, 1, }, < { "utf-8", 5, 0, }, < { "iso-8859-1", 10, 1, }, < { "big5", 4, 2, }, --- > { "us-ascii", 8, 1, nil, }, > { "utf-8", 5, 0, nil, }, > { "iso-8859-1", 10, 1, nil, }, > { "iso-8859-2", 10, 2, "8859-2", }, > { "big5", 4, 2, "big5", }, 1411c1413 < if(xtoutf(charsets[i].name, &x, decoded, decoded+len) <= 0){ --- > if(xtoutf(charsets[i].tcsname, &x, decoded, decoded+len) <= 0){ term% term% diff /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/mbox.c /sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/mbox.c 1068a1069,1077 > } else if(cistrcmp(s_to_c(m->charset), "iso-8859-2") == 0){ > len = xtoutf("8859-2", &x, m->body, m->bend); > if(len != 0){ > if(m->ballocd) > free(m->body); > m->body = x; > m->bend = x + len; > m->ballocd = 1; > } term% --upas-eenzjcgzmkyitebktlsevnfpgn-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 05:27:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 05:27:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10128 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 05:27:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10124 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:27:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:27:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DEB419A74; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5500C199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g8NJTtS21217 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:29:55 -0400 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20020923200440.GB26329@thefrayedknot.armory.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] mail rejection handling and spammers Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:29:55 -0400 (EDT) > back again and loops around 20 or so times before it finally gives up > and returns it to the sender. > Something similar to this caused our cpu server to crash every so often, befuddling us for a long time until we came in early enough to catch it going down. Turns out we were getting hammered by spammers who like to send mail to a zillion usernames until one clicks. The smtp processes returning the mail accumulated until swap was gone and the cpu server fell over. We haven't upgraded to 4 yet, so I just hacked our code to drop those messages (and likely more, based on my least-effort solution). Anyone else experience this? Cheers, Sam From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 05:54:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 05:54:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10291 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 05:54:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10287 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 05:54:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 05:54:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A61FA19A68; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 427FF19A64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b8133c25e5107a81e7ba44717f11bd4@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum-secstore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:53:34 -0400 Does /adm/secstore/store/william exist? Does the secstored have permission to write to the directory? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 07:12:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 07:12:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10899 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 07:12:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10895 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 07:12:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 07:12:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A695019A63; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94D0D199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28426 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g8NMBBi16861 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200209232211.g8NMBBi16861@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:09:05 +0400." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:11:10 -0400 I don't see why there can't be a happy medium; compile in a basic map or two, and then have /dev/kbmap for when you need to override it with something different. I agree with Goga; it's too much for the case of switching between Russian and American layouts to recompile the kernel. I had to type some Russian the other day, and producing Cyrillic's with alt sequences was extremely painful (and some of the sequences are, IMHO, funny). That said, most of the time I'm typing in English; switching back and forth between the two by cat'ing a file is fine with me, but having to recompile the kernel is too much. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 07:16:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 07:16:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10943 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 07:16:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10939 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 07:16:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 07:16:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D66C019A5A; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67FB219A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 9116224 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:14:58 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Ahhh!! Can`t send mail ! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:16:31 -0400 Okay , with the patience and guidance of the list contributors I have Plan9 working with dhcp, python installed, Inferno installed, gcc installed. But I cannot send mail ! I`ve read the wiki docs, I`ve read the man pages I`ve added upas/fs -f /pop/pop.charter.net/athiele to my profile. I can receive mail just fine. I added the line smtp=smtp.charter.net in my /lib/ndb/local file. I look at /mail/lib/remotemail and it contains the line fd=charter.net When I reply to mail I do not get an error nor do I get any mail. Anyone please help me. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 07:32:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 07:32:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11030 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 07:32:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11026 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 07:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 07:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED5CE19A6C; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx05.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx05.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.15]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F21C2199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by mx05.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 9128449 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:31:32 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Can`t send mail Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:33:04 -0400 kay , with the patience and guidance of the list contributors I have Plan9 working with dhcp, python installed, Inferno installed, gcc installed. But I cannot send mail ! I`ve read the wiki docs, I`ve read the man pages I`ve added upas/fs -f /pop/pop.charter.net/athiele to my profile. I can receive mail just fine. I added the line smtp=smtp.charter.net in my /lib/ndb/local file. I look at /mail/lib/remotemail and it contains the line fd=charter.net When I reply to mail I do not get an error nor do I get any mail. Anyone please help me. 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HAGA SU PEDIDO INDICANDO: marca de la impresora y modelo al tel.934315124-Fax934319444 o al contestador 934311054 dejando su mensaje easy inkjet From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 08:32:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 08:32:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11478 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 08:32:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11474 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 08:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 08:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0217519A6D; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7DFCF19A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8d4032593a3a2f1184b3538e2a153010@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t send mail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:31:43 -0400 Did you copy /mail/lib/rewrite.gateway into /mail/lib/rewrite? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 08:51:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 08:51:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11727 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 08:51:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11723 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 08:51:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 08:51:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89B3619A58; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx12.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx12.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B12FD199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx12.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 8991039 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:50:51 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] Can`t send mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <8d4032593a3a2f1184b3538e2a153010@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 19:52:22 -0400 Yes, do I leave the last line with $smtp , I assume it picks up the smtp value from /lib/ndb/local my local file is as follows database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common smtp=smtp.charter.net I must be missing something here Do I need to rehash the database or something ? -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Russ Cox Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 7:32 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t send mail Did you copy /mail/lib/rewrite.gateway into /mail/lib/rewrite? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 11:08:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 11:08:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15787 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 11:08:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15782 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 11:08:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 11:08:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29A5419A69; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx02.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53A6119A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by mx02.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 6129408 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:07:16 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] More mail woes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:08:47 -0400 I`m not sure why I`m not able to send mail, but I can receive it. as well as use ftpfs. Apparently I`m missing a big piece somewhere along the way. I get the cs: can`t translate address in the smtp.fail If I just have one machine dhcp-ing should I follow the directions for setting up a Standalone CPU/Auth server ? I do not have a Plan9 network , just the one machine. My problem seems to be with ndb/cs I can`t resolve addresses for mail, but everything else works. If I cat /net/ndb i get ip=192.168.1.101 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipqw=192.168.1.1 dom=.charter.net dns=209.186.12.10 dns=209.186.12.3 I also do not have an local-cs file Any ideas? Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 11:19:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 11:19:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16118 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 11:19:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16114 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 11:19:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 11:19:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6195119A70; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A55D419A58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1dc45e3080e0ddb5a3075395f3f48ae5@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: athiele@charter.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] More mail woes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-cybxidyhjrsxkqhzxhjerpjwoj" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:18:46 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-cybxidyhjrsxkqhzxhjerpjwoj Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where do you expect your mail to be going? Are you trying to mail directly to recipients or do you have a mail relay? If the latter, what is it's address. If the former, does dns resolve the places you are trying to send to? Send me the following files: /mail/lib/rewrite /lib/ndb/local /mail/lib/qmail* --upas-cybxidyhjrsxkqhzxhjerpjwoj Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 23 22:08:21 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Sep 23 22:08:20 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D815E19A6E; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx02.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53A6119A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by mx02.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 6129408 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:07:16 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] More mail woes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:08:47 -0400 I`m not sure why I`m not able to send mail, but I can receive it. as well as use ftpfs. Apparently I`m missing a big piece somewhere along the way. I get the cs: can`t translate address in the smtp.fail If I just have one machine dhcp-ing should I follow the directions for setting up a Standalone CPU/Auth server ? I do not have a Plan9 network , just the one machine. My problem seems to be with ndb/cs I can`t resolve addresses for mail, but everything else works. If I cat /net/ndb i get ip=192.168.1.101 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipqw=192.168.1.1 dom=.charter.net dns=209.186.12.10 dns=209.186.12.3 I also do not have an local-cs file Any ideas? Adrian --upas-cybxidyhjrsxkqhzxhjerpjwoj-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 11:21:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 11:21:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16196 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 11:21:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16192 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 11:21:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 11:21:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0AC919A89; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 98A2B19A86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7dd2941220548851d424f5eff345c4a2@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] More mail woes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:20:30 -0400 Try changing $smtp in /mail/lib/rewrite.gateway to the real name of your mail server. alternately, you want an entry like the following in /lib/ndb/common: ip=0.0.0.0 ipmask=0.0.0.0 smtp=smtp.yourisp.com (if you were setting up a network with more machines and different smtp servers for different networks, you'd use a more specific address range.) russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 11:33:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 11:33:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16581 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 11:33:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16574 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 11:33:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 11:33:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB18019A77; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4663B199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f816f8e7d96036f176dec16250e8b63@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum-secstore From: Eric Grosse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:32:39 -0400 The correct sequence is: ramfs -p; cd /tmp ed factotum ... auth/secstore -s tcp!plan9!5356 -p factotum -u william mv factotum factotum.original auth/secstore -s tcp!plan9!5356 -g factotum -u william It is possible to have a subdirectory /adm/secstore/store/william/tmp/ and that might be useful in some special circumstances, but start with just a flat layout. Secstore is intended to bootstrap security, not to be a general purpose file system. The daemon secstored writes verbose error messages to stderr; those should probably go to /sys/log/auth instead and would have given you a better clue to what was wrong. I'll fix the source. Eric From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 11:46:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 11:46:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16975 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 11:46:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16971 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 11:46:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 11:46:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99BBC19A7A; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cosym.net (peter.sys.9srv.net [64.7.3.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2D99019A70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:45:39 -0400 (EDT) From: anothy@cosym.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020924024539.2D99019A70@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:42:35 -0400 i realize it's not directly on topic but i wanted to take the oportunity to say i *really* like ktrans. both for its method of composing the kanji, but (somewhat more to the point at hand) for its ctl-X method of changing input methods. i realize it's not the same as the /dev/kbmap issue (not dealing with the modified keys, primarialy), but that may be useful input to people looking at alternative methods of switching maps. i've recently had a chance to use the alternate language inputs on other systems (particularly Mac OS X), and i find ktrans to be *much* nicer (and, invariably, faster to make the transition). just a note. ã‚¢ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 12:12:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 12:12:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17755 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 12:12:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17751 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 12:12:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 12:12:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14C2219A77; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx02.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF87A19A58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by mx02.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.3) with SMTP id 6154579 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:11:16 -0400 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] It Worked ! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:12:46 -0400 I got it to go. When I changed the $smtp to smtp.charter.net it finally went. Thank you all for your help. At least we have several new messages for others to reference. Thank you, Adrian Thiele From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 18:33:03 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 18:33:03 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30122 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 18:32:53 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30118 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 18:32:52 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 18:32:52 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C29519A7E; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.103.202.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C288519A7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (smmsp@localhost.thirteenandtwo.org [127.0.0.1]) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8O9Vre2047691 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:31:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from munish@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org) Received: (from munish@localhost) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8O7Gc3I040749 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 03:16:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Munish Chopra To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020924071638.GC637@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [9fans] RTL8139 not detected during install Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 03:16:38 -0400 Well, to my great delight the fourth edition of Plan 9 supports some of the NVIDIA cards I have, so I set forth to get it installed on a machine I have lying around. Everything is just dandy (following the wiki installation instructions) until I hit the confignet task, at which point "No ethernet card was detected...". Meanwhile, there is a Realtek 8139 (PCI) in the box. The Wiki notes for supported hardware mention this: "# RealTek 8139 Ethernet controller; usually bundled into low-end systems. (not detected on some (read: my) systems)" Now, I suppose I could go find a cheap Netgear or so (can't be more than $10 CAD I guess), but I was just wondering if there is a way to get the Realtek detected or found. My apologies if this has been answered in the archives, I can't seem to get to https://lists.cse.psu.edu/ right now. Thanks. -- Munish Chopra From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 19:55:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 19:55:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32151 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 19:55:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32147 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 19:55:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 19:55:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BD7419A77; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F369019A70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 06:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8OAsHx8003345 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:54:18 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8OAsFBU003344 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:54:15 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20020924125414.T29789@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Subject: [9fans] IDE FS failure Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 12:54:15 +0200 4th Edition Plan 9, I get panic: cwinit: checktag c bucket I'm not sure what else might be of interest, I could capture it with a serial console, I suppose. I thought it would be the second FS (archive) which I was busy writing to when the error occurred. I was building a CVS repository, but it didn't go very far. I tried "ream"ing archive from fsconfig, which caused a short delay after the "end", but the error recurred immediately thereafter. Any hints appreciated. The system can be rebuilt (probably will need to be) but I wouldn't appreciate having to deal with the problem regularly. This is running on a P55, with 48Meg or RAM. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 21:15:02 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 21:15:02 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1102 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 21:14:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1098 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 21:14:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 21:14:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E815319A7A; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 38D0C19A84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RTL8139 not detected during install MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:13:39 -0400 Are there any lines of the form #l0: printed during boot? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 21:21:02 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 21:21:02 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1198 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 21:20:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1194 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 21:20:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 21:20:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC43B19A8A; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E801E19A8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RTL8139 not detected during install MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:19:52 -0400 Do you know what the PCI vendor and device IDs are for the ethernet controller? Sometimes they are different from the default Realtek ones. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 21:27:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 21:27:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1297 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 21:27:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1293 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 21:27:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 21:27:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F13D19A8F; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B50CD19A87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6194ac4925520b1388c658bfd6f05ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 8859-2 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 08:26:53 -0400 Zoltan Jarai's changes have been added to sources for understanding iso-8859-2. Changed files are /sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/mbox.c /sys/src/cmd/upas/fs/fs.c /386/bin/upas/fs From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 23:31:45 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 23:31:45 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2941 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 23:31:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2937 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 23:31:44 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:31:44 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D505A19A7C; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E6CF919A80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:45:48 +0200 : sorry that I waste your time again, but what I need to paste into [] : of the mkkbmap file for defining: kbtabalt_en, kbtabshift_en, kbtab_en : and Nothing. mkkbmap looks for kbd_* entries in the CONF file for the kernel. If you add kbd_en to CONF, mkkbmap will add kbtab*_en entries to the output. You just have to write your .c map (if it's not there) and add the map to the config file (if want it to be compiled in); then mk your kernel. hth From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Sep 24 23:48:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Sep 24 23:48:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3245 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Sep 2002 23:48:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3241 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 23:48:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 23:48:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6934C19A90; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A3B7619A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 09:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:46:18 +0200 That's what we have right now. In its present shape, you can both compile several maps to be happy at boot time and also use /dev/kbmap to change the thing at run time. There's only one thing missing, the rc script to generate the xxmap.c from the /lib/kbmap/kb_xx.map file. : I don't see why there can't be a happy medium; compile in a basic map : or two, and then have /dev/kbmap for when you need to override it with : something different. : : I agree with Goga; it's too much for the case of switching between : Russian and American layouts to recompile the kernel. I had to type : some Russian the other day, and producing Cyrillic's with alt sequences : was extremely painful (and some of the sequences are, IMHO, funny). : That said, most of the time I'm typing in English; switching back and : forth between the two by cat'ing a file is fine with me, but having to : recompile the kernel is too much. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 01:28:09 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 01:28:09 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4493 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 01:28:08 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4489 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 01:28:08 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 01:28:08 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A895819AC1; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DDAF519A9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 11:49:51 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.194 ([18.24.6.194]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 11:49:50 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RTL8139 not detected during install From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:49:57 -0400 The RTL8139 driver isn't included in the install kernel, a bug I plan to fix in the next day or two. Sorry for the confusion. I've put a check into the build process to make sure no ether drivers are left behind in the future. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 01:29:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 01:29:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4507 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 01:29:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4503 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 01:29:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 01:29:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDB9919AB1; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com (mailout03.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB77919A96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17trrE-0000Xc-05; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:44:16 +0200 Received: from eduard.t-online.de (520050756186-0001@[217.81.97.230]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17trrA-2FZh7AC; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:44:12 +0200 Received: from eduard.t-online.de (localhost.t-online.de [127.0.0.1]) by eduard.t-online.de (8.12.3/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8OFNVsT003275 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:23:31 +0200 Received: from localhost (peter@localhost) by eduard.t-online.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g8OFNVVa003271 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:23:31 +0200 From: eduard.epi@t-online.de (Peter Bornemann) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RTL8139 not detected during install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Sender: 520050756186-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:23:31 +0200 (CEST) Sorry to intrude here as I am quite new to the list, but my problem seems to be about the same. My RTL8139 is not detected either. I have tried to give irq, adress, mem and size in plan9.ini to no avail so far. command pci shows the device however, with the vendor number as listed somewhere in /sys/src/ (Sorry, but obviously I am not running the systen now :( ), so that should be no problem. Any help would be really welcome! Your rather helpless newbie Peter B On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > Do you know what the PCI vendor and device IDs are for the ethernet > controller? Sometimes they are different from the default Realtek ones. > . . |\_-^^^-_/| / (|)_(|) \ ( === X === ) \ ._|_. / ^-_ _-^ °°° From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 03:42:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 03:42:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5792 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 03:42:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5788 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 03:42:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 03:42:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 669B519A90; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.103.202.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1553919A77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (munish@localhost.thirteenandtwo.org [127.0.0.1]) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OIfIe2075466 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:41:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from munish@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org) Received: (from munish@localhost) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8OIfICq075465 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Munish Chopra To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RTL8139 not detected during install Message-ID: <20020924184118.GD637@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:41:18 -0400 On 2002-09-24 11:49 +0000, Russ Cox wrote: > The RTL8139 driver isn't included in the install kernel, > a bug I plan to fix in the next day or two. Sorry for the > confusion. I've put a check into the build process to > make sure no ether drivers are left behind in the future. > > Russ Ahh, so that's it. I'm assuming you mean the build process for the boot disks? Should I just keep on trying an install every day or could you perhaps send a heads-up when you've fixed this? Thanks. -- Munish Chopra From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 04:01:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 04:01:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5921 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 04:01:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5917 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 04:01:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 04:01:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF34B19A92; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13AF319A8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3/ic) with ESMTP id g8OJ0mN2047829 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:00:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup16.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.31]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA80295 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:00:42 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="koi8-r"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_LV1ZQMM87YDSH1RA1B6P" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02092422053600.00586@localhost.localdomain> Subject: [9fans] Can`t compile pcdisk kernel Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 22:06:57 -0400 --------------Boundary-00=_LV1ZQMM87YDSH1RA1B6P Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: hello friends, I have problems with compiling pcdisk kernel, mk produces some error (see attach). thanks for any help -ask --------------Boundary-00=_LV1ZQMM87YDSH1RA1B6P Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r"; name="error" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="error" dGVybSUgbWsgJ0NPTkY9cGNkaXNrJwo4YSBsLnMKOGEgcGxhbjlsLnMKOGMgLUZWdyBjZ2EuYwo4 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vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 04:13:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD52019A94; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98C3319A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.89.176.150]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20020924191203.MJSV29048.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@default> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:12:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c26417$dc30b440$96b0590c@default> From: "Thomas West" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [9fans] Time of most recent 60MB archive Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:15:08 -0700 I downloaded a 60MB system file in one ~4hr session ending at about 0700GMT on 9/22. Did I get the latest version? Tnx, -Tom From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 04:27:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 04:27:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6191 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 04:27:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6187 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 04:27:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 04:27:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C600C19A77; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6890E19A96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d71e4a5f15e85a7959274e0bfa6822d@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t compile pcdisk kernel From: Sape Mullender MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:26:34 -0400 > I have problems with compiling pcdisk kernel, mk produces some error (see > attach). Can you mail me your port/nulledf.c? Sape From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 06:07:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 06:07:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7158 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 06:07:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7154 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 06:07:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:07:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD76819A96; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 562A619A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 17:06:37 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.194 ([18.24.6.194]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 17:06:36 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Time of most recent 60MB archive From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:06:33 -0400 Not really. There will be a new version in a day or two. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 06:08:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 06:08:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7171 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 06:08:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7167 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 06:08:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:08:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D85A19A9C; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 00AF319A7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 17:07:27 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.194 ([18.24.6.194]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 17:07:26 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <6010ea465e7c1df618899c4d32769a17@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RTL8139 not detected during install From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:07:22 -0400 I will post a message once I've gotten the new boot disk and CD out there. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 06:08:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 06:08:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7179 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 06:08:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7174 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 06:08:33 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:08:33 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AE8819A9F; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9DD0019A77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 17:07:01 EDT 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.194 ([18.24.6.194]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 17:06:59 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t compile pcdisk kernel From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 17:06:53 -0400 Take the line nulledf out of your pcdisk file. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 08:26:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 08:26:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8291 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 08:26:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8287 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 08:26:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 08:26:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4CD5D19A97; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CACC719A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA18819 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:25:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8ONPaQ07904; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:25:36 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8ONPZe24051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:25:35 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209242325.g8ONPZe24051@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Subject: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:25:35 +0200 Just had a problem copying/saving a file from acme at home (over a right now not excitingly fast connection) to the fake worm server at work. When it happened, acme hang (until I fysically disrupted the connection -- could not think of something else) and cp also hang. (after disrupting the connection, acme returned to a usable state, so I could save the file to local disk -- many thanks to the person bringing up this kind of things (hanging fs connection) some days ago!) When it happened, I had a 'C fs' window open, in which appeared: didn't like 1460 byte message didn't like 274 byte message Scenario: working at home on a laptop that has had the 60Mb update; the kernel is a few days older, of september 18. Because I have this funny router at the home end of the cable modem connection, and it does not let il through, I have cpu% cat /rc/bin/service/tcp564 #!/bin/rc exec aux/trampoline il!super!9fs cpu% on the cpu server and run '9fs cpu' to connect to the file server. (the cpu server is diskless and gets root from fs; also its kernel is from september 18, I think). The problem seems reproducible: when saving the remote file from acme failed, I saved it locally and tried then copying it to fs, with the same result. However, doing a 'cat > target' in the cpu window, and pasting the text from the (short) file there, followed by ^D was succesful (remember, cpu server gets root from fs). The fs kernel is a bit old, from May 28. Can that explain this? Is there anything easy I could try to get more insight? I tried 'flag chat' on the fs, but that did not seem to give info on the 'not-liked' packages -- but maybe I overlooked. I'll keep the latop running and connected, in case there are some things I could try. Just tried to open a new window, run 9fs cpu, and tried again to copy the same file from local disk to remote fs. Same result. Axel (concerned, but still hoping for a simple explanation...) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 08:43:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 08:43:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8493 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 08:43:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8489 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 08:43:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8AB219AA8; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 59EBF19A9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 19:42:27 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.235.81 ([141.154.235.81]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 19:42:26 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:42:24 -0400 Oops. I wonder why we never noticed that before. The problem is that TCP lost the race, and a 1734 byte message got turned into a 1460 and a 2764. Since IL preserves message delimiters, the file server choked on the two halves. Here's a new aux/trampoline. Run aux/trampoline -9 and it should do the right thing as far as putting the 9P messages back together before passing them along. Let me know if it works, and I'll put it on sources. Russ #include #include #include #include #include enum { Maxpath= 128, }; typedef struct Endpoints Endpoints; struct Endpoints { char *net; char *lsys; char *lserv; char *rsys; char *rserv; }; void xfer(int, int); void xfer9p(int, int); Endpoints* getendpoints(char*); void freeendpoints(Endpoints*); char* iptomac(char*, char*); int macok(char*); void main(int argc, char **argv) { int fd; int checkmac = 0; Endpoints *ep; char *mac; void (*x)(int, int); x = xfer; ARGBEGIN{ case 'm': checkmac = 1; break; case '9': x = xfer9p; break; }ARGEND; if(argc < 1){ fprint(2, "usage: %s dialstring\n", argv0); exits("usage"); } if(checkmac && argc > 1){ ep = getendpoints(argv[1]); mac = iptomac(ep->rsys, ep->net); if(!macok(mac)){ syslog(0, "trampoline", "badmac %s from %s!%s for %s!%s on %s", mac, ep->rsys, ep->rserv, ep->lsys, ep->lserv, ep->net); exits("bad mac"); } } fd = dial(argv[0], 0, 0, 0); if(fd < 0){ fprint(2, "%s: dialing %s: %r\n", argv0, argv[0]); exits("dial"); } rfork(RFNOTEG); switch(fork()){ case -1: fprint(2, "%s: fork: %r\n", argv0); exits("dial"); case 0: (*x)(0, fd); break; default: (*x)(fd, 1); break; } postnote(PNGROUP, getpid(), "die yankee pig dog"); exits(0); } void xfer(int from, int to) { char buf[12*1024]; int n; while((n = read(from, buf, sizeof buf)) > 0) if(write(to, buf, n) < 0) break; } void xfer9p(int from, int to) { char *buf; uint nbuf; int n; nbuf = 256; buf = malloc(nbuf); if(buf == nil) sysfatal("xfer: malloc %ud: %r", nbuf); for(;;){ if(readn(from, buf, 4) != 4) break; n = GBIT32(buf); if(4+n > nbuf){ nbuf = 4+n+8192; buf = realloc(buf, nbuf); if(buf == nil) sysfatal("xfer: realloc %ud: %r", nbuf); } if(readn(from, buf+4, n) != n) break; if(write(to, buf, 4+n) != 4+n) break; } } void getendpoint(char *dir, char *file, char **sysp, char **servp) { int fd, n; char buf[Maxpath]; char *sys, *serv; sys = serv = 0; snprint(buf, sizeof buf, "%s/%s", dir, file); fd = open(buf, OREAD); if(fd >= 0){ n = read(fd, buf, sizeof(buf)-1); if(n>0){ buf[n-1] = 0; serv = strchr(buf, '!'); if(serv){ *serv++ = 0; serv = strdup(serv); } sys = strdup(buf); } close(fd); } if(serv == 0) serv = strdup("unknown"); if(sys == 0) sys = strdup("unknown"); *servp = serv; *sysp = sys; } Endpoints * getendpoints(char *dir) { Endpoints *ep; char *p; ep = malloc(sizeof(*ep)); ep->net = strdup(dir); p = strchr(ep->net+1, '/'); if(p == nil){ free(ep->net); ep->net = "/net"; } else *p = 0; getendpoint(dir, "local", &ep->lsys, &ep->lserv); getendpoint(dir, "remote", &ep->rsys, &ep->rserv); return ep; } void freeendpoints(Endpoints *ep) { free(ep->lsys); free(ep->rsys); free(ep->lserv); free(ep->rserv); free(ep); } char* iptomac(char *ip, char *net) { char file[Maxpath]; Biobuf *b; char *p; char *f[5]; snprint(file, sizeof(file), "%s/arp", net); b = Bopen(file, OREAD); if(b == nil) return nil; while((p = Brdline(b, '\n')) != nil){ p[Blinelen(b)-1] = 0; if(tokenize(p, f, nelem(f)) < 4) continue; if(strcmp(f[1], "OK") == 0 && strcmp(f[2], ip) == 0){ p = strdup(f[3]); Bterm(b); return p; } } Bterm(b); return nil; } int macok(char *mac) { Ndbtuple *tp; char buf[Ndbvlen]; if(mac == nil) return 0; tp = csgetval("/net", "ether", mac, "trampok", buf); if(tp == nil) return 0; ndbfree(tp); return 1; } From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 08:55:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 08:55:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8657 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 08:55:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8653 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 08:55:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 08:55:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5896619AA9; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 16E5819AA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8065bf9ea34069b3a861dfcdba44656d@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:54:03 -0700 The fs kernel's messages don't always identify the file system in question. As I touch parts of the fs kernel, I've been adding %Zs to the prints. It sounds like the cache of your "main" file system is corrupt. You might try a recover of main's cache: reboot the file server and go into config mode, then type: recover main end This should restore your "main" to the way it was at the last dump (typically 5:00 AM), so you'd lose any changes made since then, but if "main"'s cache is corrupt, you've effectively lost them already. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 09:45:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 09:45:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10285 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 09:45:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10281 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 09:45:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 09:45:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA31319A97; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9439819A02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default ([12.89.177.96]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with SMTP id <20020924140158.FLRR29048.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@default> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 14:01:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c263ec$8aa201e0$60b1590c@default> From: "Thomas West" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: [9fans] time stamp of most recent 60MB systm file Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:05:02 -0700 I downloaded a 60MB system file in one ~4hr session ending at about 0700GMT on 9/22. Did I get the latest version? Tnx, -Tom From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 09:57:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 09:57:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10745 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 09:57:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10741 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 09:57:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 09:57:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C0F019AB0; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CC66D19AA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 20:56:03 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.235.81 ([141.154.235.81]) by plan9; Tue Sep 24 20:56:01 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <4301c514643635d27da4767b8c011702@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] time stamp of most recent 60MB systm file From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:55:59 -0400 > I downloaded a 60MB system file in one ~4hr > session ending at about 0700GMT on 9/22. > Did I get the latest version? The 60MB CD image currently on the web page is from June. (It gets updated much less frequently than the sources file server.) There will be a new version tomorrow or Thursday. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 13:19:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 13:19:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17556 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 13:19:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17552 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 13:19:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:19:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F8E419AA9; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C547719A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8P4IDx8005821 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:18:15 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8P4ICGI005820 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:18:12 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure Message-ID: <20020925061811.A29789@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <8065bf9ea34069b3a861dfcdba44656d@collyer.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <8065bf9ea34069b3a861dfcdba44656d@collyer.net>; from Geoff Collyer on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:54:03PM -0700 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 06:18:11 +0200 On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:54:03PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote: > > recover main > end > I get a different error. I wonder if I didn't configure "archive" badly and somehow overlapped it onto main or the cache. The error is now panic: fworm: rbounds 13219302 > This should restore your "main" to the way it was at the last dump > (typically 5:00 AM), so you'd lose any changes made since then, but if > "main"'s cache is corrupt, you've effectively lost them already. It's not serious, if possibly painful to recover. I'm sure I have lost some data, but nothing irreproducible. I'll wire up an RS-232C console in the next day or two, see what I can detect from the error messages that presently flash off the display too quickly. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 13:50:54 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 13:50:54 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18463 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 13:50:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18454 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 13:50:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 13:50:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 992F619AAA; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8CE0719A90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8a5c9cb767f7f4002e9888b47d7841d0@collyer.net> From: Geoff Collyer To: 9fans@collyer.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] fs arp-related fix Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 21:49:58 -0700 In the course of getting forsyth's 83815 (Netgear FA31[12]) driver running in the file server kernel, I tripped over a bug that permits packets smaller than ETHERMINTU (60 bytes) to be transmitted. Such packets are typically rejected by Ethernet interfaces or drivers upon input and thus are not seen by other systems. ARP requests are 42 bytes long and thus need to be padded, otherwise the system sending the ARP requests will never get any answers and thus be unable to communicate. Apparently some cards automatically pad outgoing packets, but the FA311 apparently doesn't. /sys/src/fs/pc/etherif.c attempts to pad short packets, but forgot to set mb->count to the new, longer length. Here's my fix: : cpu; history -D etherif.c Sep 24 21:33:50 PDT 2002 etherif.c 6324 [geoff] etherif.c:140 c /n/dump/2002/0924/sys/src/fs/pc/etherif.c:140 < mb->count = len = ETHERMINTU; --- > len = ETHERMINTU; I should acknowledge that Norman Wilson recently described a similar bug that he found in Tenth Edition Unix, so the problem was on my mind when I started debugging. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 14:58:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 14:58:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20585 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 14:58:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20581 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 14:58:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:58:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26A4C19AAA; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2D3AB19AA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10526 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 06:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:08:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:04:27 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id g8P5uCv466479; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:56:22 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200209250556.g8P5uCv466479@mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs arp-related fix From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-uknpowgqqdfasvcsqonplbxwuc" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:56:39 0900 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-uknpowgqqdfasvcsqonplbxwuc Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is my understanding that the user `none' can always mount a fs(4) without any authentication. Is this correct? And if so, can I toggle this feature on and off? sources.cs.bell-labs.com seems not allow `none' to attach its root. Thank you. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi --upas-uknpowgqqdfasvcsqonplbxwuc Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline --upas-uknpowgqqdfasvcsqonplbxwuc-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 14:58:41 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 14:58:41 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20600 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 14:58:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20596 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 14:58:40 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 14:58:40 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41BF819AB8; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 84F5319A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 01:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10535 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 06:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:08:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 06:04:32 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id g8P5uRv466394; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:56:27 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200209250556.g8P5uRv466394@mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] none attaches a fs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:56:58 0900 This is my understanding that the user `none' can always mount a fs(4) without any authentication. Is this correct? And if so, can I toggle this feature on and off? sources.cs.bell-labs.com seems not allow `none' to attach its root. Thank you. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 16:31:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 16:31:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23801 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 16:31:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23797 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 16:31:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 16:31:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CE4219A9F; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 27F0019A9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 03:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0feecfdc2c59d7e665d8453632c5eeb9@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] http://plan9.escet.urjc.es is down Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:14:45 +0200 The ip/httpd seems to make the kernel run out of memory and crash. Until I can trace the problem, the web server is down. If any one wants to download the keyboard driver, the ide fs, or any other thing from the server in the mean time, drop me a line. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 20:46:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 20:46:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29645 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 20:46:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29641 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 20:46:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 20:46:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98B8719ABB; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFC0419AB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06908 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:45:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8PBjkQ06578; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:45:47 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8PBjjX27002 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:45:45 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209251145.g8PBjjX27002@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:42:24 -0400." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:45:45 +0200 > Let me know if it works, and I'll put it on sources. I have tried, and mounting seems not to work. When running 9fs or srv I get the 'post...' message, but the actual mount does not seem to work -- 9fs just hangs after the 'post...' message, and doing a 'srv' by hand succeeds but mounting the srv hangs. I tried both at home and at work (wavelan from laptop to cpu), and both the cable connection at home and the wavelan at work are pretty slow right now (ping even looses messages). I added flags on the fs (error, il, attach) and now I get just: il: allocating il!130.89.145.32!... when I run: 9fs cpu 9fs just prints post... and hangs. When I kill it (delete), and start again: 9fs cpu I see on the fs: fs: didn't like 23 byte message no protocol for message 13 00 00 00 64 FF FF 18 20 00 00 06 hangup! closed 27179/130.89.145.32.17008 and on the laptop where I run 9fs I get: srv cpu: mount failed: EOF receiving fversion reply after which 9fs exits. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 22:15:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 22:15:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30771 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 22:15:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30767 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 22:15:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 22:15:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E3EE19AB1; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FD6619A9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patton ([12.226.228.159]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020925131455.LBPZ16629.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@patton> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:14:55 +0000 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure From: David Swasey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:15:11 -0400 If you can compile a new fs kernel using a stand-alone machine, then you can probably get past this particular panic. I believe this happens because of the line conf.firstsb = 13219302; in your file server's localconfinit. (This function is part of the file-server-specific .c file; it may be called 9pcfs.c.) If firstsb is non-zero, then it is the address of the first super block to consult when performing a recovery; otherwise, the value in the startsb array (near the top of 9pcfs.c) is used. I suggest setting firstsb to 0 and recompiling the file server kernel. With the new kernel, "recover main" should actually start the recovery process. -dave > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:54:03PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote: >> >> recover main >> end >> > I get a different error. I wonder if I didn't configure "archive" > badly and somehow overlapped it onto main or the cache. The error is > now > > panic: fworm: rbounds 13219302 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 22:37:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 22:37:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31046 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 22:37:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31042 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 22:37:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 22:37:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BDB119ABC; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AEDB19AB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8PDabx8006654 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:36:38 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8PDaaeQ006653 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:36:36 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure Message-ID: <20020925153634.L29789@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from David Swasey on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:15:11AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:36:34 +0200 On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:15:11AM -0400, David Swasey wrote: > > If you can compile a new fs kernel using a stand-alone machine, then > you can probably get past this particular panic. I believe this > happens because of the line > > conf.firstsb = 13219302; > > in your file server's localconfinit. (This function is part of the > file-server-specific .c file; it may be called 9pcfs.c.) > Thank you, I will give it a stab. Please forgive me if it won't be for a few days, the end of the month looms and I have some high priorities to attend to. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Sep 25 23:24:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Sep 25 23:24:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31915 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Sep 2002 23:24:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31911 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2002 23:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Sep 2002 23:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE05719ABD; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 643F119AC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e681f7c0ec0f538cc4061796f9c8014@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] none attaches a fs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:23:30 -0400 > This is my understanding that the user `none' > can always mount a fs(4) without any authentication. > Is this correct? And if so, can I toggle this > feature on and off? At the moment, that's correct, and there's no toggle. You could add one easily enough. > sources.cs.bell-labs.com seems not allow `none' to > attach its root. Right, we need to make sure people have clicked through the Questions before they access the server, to appease the lawyers. Sources.cs.bell-labs.com is a kfs rather than a real fs. See the section about `noneattach' in kfscmd(8). None can attach, but someone else has to attach first. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 01:47:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 01:47:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1347 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 01:47:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1343 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 01:47:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 01:47:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A039719AC1; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 784C419AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 12:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3/ic) with ESMTP id g8PGkUN2064297 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:46:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup03.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.18]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA66160 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:46:28 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t compile pcdisk kernel X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02092519503301.00582@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:50:33 -0400 my pcdisk don`t have this line and I took out it from mkfile, so the kernel was compiled successfully, but one more problem: /dev/kbmap wasn`t created and I have no idea how to create it, can you help to do this? -ask > Take the line > > nulledf > > out of your pcdisk file. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 03:20:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 03:20:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2044 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 03:20:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2040 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 03:20:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 03:20:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13D4C19AAE; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C168199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16594 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:19:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8PIJ8Q08814; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:19:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8PIJ6B28388 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:19:07 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209251819.g8PIJ6B28388@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:42:24 -0400." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:19:06 +0200 This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_20095807920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Russ, I'm not sure why your version fails (in the way I wrote before), I assume it has something to do with reading/parsing the 9p format. I rewrote your trampoline.c using read9pmsg. Now it seems to work. My version follows below. However, could you please check (improve) the buffer allocation (size)? I just copied the constant 8192+IOHDRSZ from /sys/src/lib9p/srv.c but I don't trust I got it correct (rephrased: is this the biggest buffer we might need, or might we need more?). (too lazy to read the man). I also put in some syslog debugging code that probably should be en/disabled with a -d flag. Axel. --==_Exmh_20095807920 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="trampoline.c"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: trampoline.c Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="trampoline.c" #include #include #include #include #include enum { Maxpath= 128, }; typedef struct Endpoints Endpoints; struct Endpoints { char *net; char *lsys; char *lserv; char *rsys; char *rserv; }; void xfer(int, int); void xfer9p(int, int); Endpoints* getendpoints(char*); void freeendpoints(Endpoints*); char* iptomac(char*, char*); int macok(char*); void main(int argc, char **argv) { int fd; int checkmac = 0; Endpoints *ep; char *mac; void (*x)(int, int); x = xfer; ARGBEGIN{ case 'm': checkmac = 1; break; case '9': x = xfer9p; break; }ARGEND; if (x == xfer9p) syslog(0, "trampoline", "using xfer9p"); else syslog(0, "trampoline", "using xfer"); if(argc < 1){ fprint(2, "usage: %s dialstring\n", argv0); exits("usage"); } if(checkmac && argc > 1){ ep = getendpoints(argv[1]); mac = iptomac(ep->rsys, ep->net); if(!macok(mac)){ syslog(0, "trampoline", "badmac %s from %s!%s for %s!%s on %s", mac, ep->rsys, ep->rserv, ep->lsys, ep->lserv, ep->net); exits("bad mac"); } } fd = dial(argv[0], 0, 0, 0); if(fd < 0){ fprint(2, "%s: dialing %s: %r\n", argv0, argv[0]); exits("dial"); } rfork(RFNOTEG); switch(fork()){ case -1: fprint(2, "%s: fork: %r\n", argv0); exits("dial"); case 0: (*x)(0, fd); break; default: (*x)(fd, 1); break; } postnote(PNGROUP, getpid(), "die yankee pig dog"); exits(0); } void xfer(int from, int to) { char buf[12*1024]; int n; while((n = read(from, buf, sizeof buf)) > 0) if(write(to, buf, n) < 0) break; } void xfer9p(int from, int to) { char *buf; uint nbuf; int n, m; nbuf = 8192+IOHDRSZ; buf = malloc(nbuf); if(buf == nil) sysfatal("xfer: malloc %ud: %r", nbuf); for(;;){ if((n = read9pmsg(from, buf, nbuf)) <= 0){ syslog(0, "trampoline", "read error (%d->%d): n=%d", from, to, n); break; } else syslog(0, "trampoline", "read ok (%d->%d): n=%d", from, to, n); if((m = write(to, buf, n)) != n) { syslog(0, "trampoline", "write error (%d->%d): (m=%d) !=(n=%d)", from, to, m, n); break; } else { syslog(0, "trampoline", "write ok (%d->%d): (m=%d) == (n=%d)", from, to, m, n); } } } void getendpoint(char *dir, char *file, char **sysp, char **servp) { int fd, n; char buf[Maxpath]; char *sys, *serv; sys = serv = 0; snprint(buf, sizeof buf, "%s/%s", dir, file); fd = open(buf, OREAD); if(fd >= 0){ n = read(fd, buf, sizeof(buf)-1); if(n>0){ buf[n-1] = 0; serv = strchr(buf, '!'); if(serv){ *serv++ = 0; serv = strdup(serv); } sys = strdup(buf); } close(fd); } if(serv == 0) serv = strdup("unknown"); if(sys == 0) sys = strdup("unknown"); *servp = serv; *sysp = sys; } Endpoints * getendpoints(char *dir) { Endpoints *ep; char *p; ep = malloc(sizeof(*ep)); ep->net = strdup(dir); p = strchr(ep->net+1, '/'); if(p == nil){ free(ep->net); ep->net = "/net"; } else *p = 0; getendpoint(dir, "local", &ep->lsys, &ep->lserv); getendpoint(dir, "remote", &ep->rsys, &ep->rserv); return ep; } void freeendpoints(Endpoints *ep) { free(ep->lsys); free(ep->rsys); free(ep->lserv); free(ep->rserv); free(ep); } char* iptomac(char *ip, char *net) { char file[Maxpath]; Biobuf *b; char *p; char *f[5]; snprint(file, sizeof(file), "%s/arp", net); b = Bopen(file, OREAD); if(b == nil) return nil; while((p = Brdline(b, '\n')) != nil){ p[Blinelen(b)-1] = 0; if(tokenize(p, f, nelem(f)) < 4) continue; if(strcmp(f[1], "OK") == 0 && strcmp(f[2], ip) == 0){ p = strdup(f[3]); Bterm(b); return p; } } Bterm(b); return nil; } int macok(char *mac) { Ndbtuple *tp; char buf[Ndbvlen]; if(mac == nil) return 0; tp = csgetval("/net", "ether", mac, "trampok", buf); if(tp == nil) return 0; ndbfree(tp); return 1; } --==_Exmh_20095807920-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 03:25:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 03:25:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2089 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 03:25:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2085 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 03:25:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 03:25:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CCBA19AC6; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 05A7119A9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:24:23 -0400 The problem is the buffer can be arbitrarily sized, though typically 8192+IOHDRSZ is the max a client and server will agree on. Cpu uses a much larger max size to improve graphics performance. Here's a fixed xfer9p. I forgot that the initial count includes itself. void xfer9p(int from, int to) { char *buf; uint nbuf; int n; nbuf = 256; buf = malloc(nbuf); if(buf == nil) sysfatal("xfer: malloc %ud: %r", nbuf); for(;;){ if(readn(from, buf, 4) != 4) break; n = GBIT32(buf); if(n > nbuf){ nbuf = n+8192; /* 8192: slop */ buf = realloc(buf, nbuf); if(buf == nil) sysfatal("xfer: realloc %ud: %r", nbuf); } if(readn(from, buf+4, n-4) != n-4) break; if(write(to, buf, n) != n) break; } } Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 03:25:44 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 03:25:44 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2096 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 03:25:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2092 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 03:25:44 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 03:25:44 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C373419ACA; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D06719AC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3/ic) with ESMTP id g8PIOiN2079242 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:24:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup12.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.27]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA72605 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:24:41 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Can`t compile pcdisk kernel ft. Russian keyboard X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3d41b20115cb898e2095f1c5617daa13@centurytel.net> In-Reply-To: <3d41b20115cb898e2095f1c5617daa13@centurytel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02092521293100.00582@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:29:57 -0400 I used 2 Goga`s commands: bind -a '#ð' /dev cat /lib/kbmap/kbd_ru.map > /dev/kbmap and now kbmap works and I can type russian characters! Thanks all for your help -ask From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 03:45:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 03:45:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2223 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 03:45:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2219 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 03:45:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 03:45:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E61D919A90; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E27C19ABC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17213 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:44:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8PIiIQ17043; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:44:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8PIiGf28539 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:44:16 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209251844.g8PIiGf28539@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:24:23 -0400." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:44:16 +0200 > The problem is the buffer can be arbitrarily sized, though > typically 8192+IOHDRSZ is the max a client and server will > agree on. Cpu uses a much larger max size to improve graphics > performance. > > Here's a fixed xfer9p. I forgot that the initial count > includes itself. I tried something like that, and what I tried did not work, but my failure might differ from your xfer9p (have thrown it away, cannot compare). Still I'm wondering, why use own code instead of simply using read9pmsg? I'll try your xfer9p and let you know the result. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 05:35:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 05:35:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3044 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 05:35:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3040 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 05:35:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 05:35:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36BC219A92; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ns.mccme.ru (ns.mccme.ru [195.133.68.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1230519A90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 16:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.mccme.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id WAA21573 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:56:22 +0400 Received: by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix, from userid 501) id EC5D757095; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:28:06 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E907956ECB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:28:06 +0400 (MSD) From: George Bronnikov X-X-Sender: goga@corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:28:06 +0400 (MSD) On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > That's what we have right now. > In its present shape, you can both compile several maps to > be happy at boot time and also use /dev/kbmap to change the > thing > at run time. There's only one thing missing, the rc script to > generate the xxmap.c from the /lib/kbmap/kb_xx.map file. One more thing is missing: you cannot create a new kbmap on the fly, only modify an existing one. That should not be hard to fix, though. Goga From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 06:13:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 06:13:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3292 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 06:13:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3288 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 06:13:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 06:13:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10F8F19AC6; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B0ABE19A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:12:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8PLCSQ18126; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:12:28 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8PLCQ429043 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:12:26 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209252112.g8PLCQ429043@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:24:23 -0400." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:12:26 +0200 (added the same syslog debugging and) Tried it. Works exactly like one of my previous attempts (acc. to debug log). Works fine until it encounters a message with size=152; then it seems that 'n = GBIT32(buf)' doesn't do what we need; it in the next read it tries to read (n=-104)-4 bytes and fails. Would be nice if we could use read9pmsg (all these problems solved in one place). But then we need a solution for the varying message size. Axel. > The problem is the buffer can be arbitrarily sized, though > typically 8192+IOHDRSZ is the max a client and server will > agree on. Cpu uses a much larger max size to improve graphics > performance. > > Here's a fixed xfer9p. I forgot that the initial count > includes itself. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 06:22:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 06:22:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3392 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 06:22:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3388 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 06:22:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 06:22:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46A6B19AD3; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E9C1619AC8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 25 17:21:39 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.185 ([141.154.230.185]) by plan9; Wed Sep 25 17:21:38 EDT 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:21:36 -0400 > I tried something like that, and what I tried did not work, but my failure > might differ from your xfer9p (have thrown it away, cannot compare). > Still I'm wondering, why use own code instead of simply using read9pmsg? The reason not to use read9pmsg is that I don't want to get caught with a buffer that's not big enough, so I realloc it (when necessary) after reading the header length. You can't use read9pmsg to do that unless you know basically everything about what read9pmsg is doing, at which point it's easier not to use it. Or rather, it would be easier, if I could manage to write the correct five lines. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 06:31:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 06:31:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3455 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 06:31:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3451 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 06:31:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 06:31:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C438719AC6; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 232D019AD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Sep 25 17:30:11 EDT 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.185 ([141.154.230.185]) by plan9; Wed Sep 25 17:30:10 EDT 2002 Message-ID: <5d049645aa7339e8111e226032795ae8@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:30:09 -0400 this works just fine for me. does it work for you? if not, what are the hex bytes of the weird 152-byte message. how do you know it's 152 bytes when n == -104? #include #include #include #include #include enum { Maxpath= 128, }; typedef struct Endpoints Endpoints; struct Endpoints { char *net; char *lsys; char *lserv; char *rsys; char *rserv; }; void xfer(int, int); void xfer9p(int, int); Endpoints* getendpoints(char*); void freeendpoints(Endpoints*); char* iptomac(char*, char*); int macok(char*); void main(int argc, char **argv) { int fd; int checkmac = 0; Endpoints *ep; char *mac; void (*x)(int, int); x = xfer; ARGBEGIN{ case 'm': checkmac = 1; break; case '9': x = xfer9p; break; }ARGEND; if(argc < 1){ fprint(2, "usage: %s dialstring\n", argv0); exits("usage"); } if(checkmac && argc > 1){ ep = getendpoints(argv[1]); mac = iptomac(ep->rsys, ep->net); if(!macok(mac)){ syslog(0, "trampoline", "badmac %s from %s!%s for %s!%s on %s", mac, ep->rsys, ep->rserv, ep->lsys, ep->lserv, ep->net); exits("bad mac"); } } fd = dial(argv[0], 0, 0, 0); if(fd < 0){ fprint(2, "%s: dialing %s: %r\n", argv0, argv[0]); exits("dial"); } rfork(RFNOTEG); switch(fork()){ case -1: fprint(2, "%s: fork: %r\n", argv0); exits("dial"); case 0: (*x)(0, fd); break; default: (*x)(fd, 1); break; } postnote(PNGROUP, getpid(), "die yankee pig dog"); exits(0); } void xfer(int from, int to) { char buf[12*1024]; int n; while((n = read(from, buf, sizeof buf)) > 0) if(write(to, buf, n) < 0) break; } void xfer9p(int from, int to) { uchar *buf; uint nbuf; int n; nbuf = 256; buf = malloc(nbuf); if(buf == nil) sysfatal("xfer: malloc %ud: %r", nbuf); for(;;){ if(readn(from, buf, 4) != 4) break; n = GBIT32(buf); if(n > nbuf){ nbuf = n+8192; buf = realloc(buf, nbuf); if(buf == nil) sysfatal("xfer: realloc %ud: %r", nbuf); } if(readn(from, buf+4, n-4) != n-4) break; if(write(to, buf, n) != n){ sysfatal("oops: %r"); break; } } } void getendpoint(char *dir, char *file, char **sysp, char **servp) { int fd, n; char buf[Maxpath]; char *sys, *serv; sys = serv = 0; snprint(buf, sizeof buf, "%s/%s", dir, file); fd = open(buf, OREAD); if(fd >= 0){ n = read(fd, buf, sizeof(buf)-1); if(n>0){ buf[n-1] = 0; serv = strchr(buf, '!'); if(serv){ *serv++ = 0; serv = strdup(serv); } sys = strdup(buf); } close(fd); } if(serv == 0) serv = strdup("unknown"); if(sys == 0) sys = strdup("unknown"); *servp = serv; *sysp = sys; } Endpoints * getendpoints(char *dir) { Endpoints *ep; char *p; ep = malloc(sizeof(*ep)); ep->net = strdup(dir); p = strchr(ep->net+1, '/'); if(p == nil){ free(ep->net); ep->net = "/net"; } else *p = 0; getendpoint(dir, "local", &ep->lsys, &ep->lserv); getendpoint(dir, "remote", &ep->rsys, &ep->rserv); return ep; } void freeendpoints(Endpoints *ep) { free(ep->lsys); free(ep->rsys); free(ep->lserv); free(ep->rserv); free(ep); } char* iptomac(char *ip, char *net) { char file[Maxpath]; Biobuf *b; char *p; char *f[5]; snprint(file, sizeof(file), "%s/arp", net); b = Bopen(file, OREAD); if(b == nil) return nil; while((p = Brdline(b, '\n')) != nil){ p[Blinelen(b)-1] = 0; if(tokenize(p, f, nelem(f)) < 4) continue; if(strcmp(f[1], "OK") == 0 && strcmp(f[2], ip) == 0){ p = strdup(f[3]); Bterm(b); return p; } } Bterm(b); return nil; } int macok(char *mac) { Ndbtuple *tp; char buf[Ndbvlen]; if(mac == nil) return 0; tp = csgetval("/net", "ether", mac, "trampok", buf); if(tp == nil) return 0; ndbfree(tp); return 1; } From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 07:42:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 07:42:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4042 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 07:42:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4038 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 07:42:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 07:42:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7ECFF19AD3; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 083E819A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-afehsbqdwneviacrbvaichvggg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:40:52 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-afehsbqdwneviacrbvaichvggg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks like you're right; my apologies for the bad advice. I remembered that all the startsb block numbers had been corrected (to "2") in 4e but had forgotten about firstsb (and I'd initialised it in my file servers to "2"). firstsb (if non-zero) is primarily an optimisation and it depends on the specific jukebox and on time, so in either /sys/src/fs/emelie/9pcfs.c or /sys/src/fs/sony/9sonyfs.c, conf.firstsb = 13219302; is presumably wrong (I'd bet on 9sonyfs.c being wrong) and could be deleted or changed to conf.firstsb = 0; Also, /sys/src/fs/words should probably be amended to advise zeroing firstsb in the spun-off subtree's 9*fs.c. I noticed just now that conf.wcpsize is not used in 4e; it was used in 3e in /sys/src/fs/port/worm.c in wcpinit(), but worm.c is now gone. So all those conf.wcpsize = 10; lines in /sys/src/fs/*/9*fs.c and port/main.c: conf.wcpsize = 1024*1024; can be deleted. --upas-afehsbqdwneviacrbvaichvggg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from collyer.net ([10.9.0.4]) by collyer.net; Wed Sep 25 06:15:22 PDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by collyer.net; Wed Sep 25 06:15:22 PDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0A9419AB6; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FD6619A9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from patton ([12.226.228.159]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020925131455.LBPZ16629.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@patton> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:14:55 +0000 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure From: David Swasey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:15:11 -0400 If you can compile a new fs kernel using a stand-alone machine, then you can probably get past this particular panic. I believe this happens because of the line conf.firstsb = 13219302; in your file server's localconfinit. (This function is part of the file-server-specific .c file; it may be called 9pcfs.c.) If firstsb is non-zero, then it is the address of the first super block to consult when performing a recovery; otherwise, the value in the startsb array (near the top of 9pcfs.c) is used. I suggest setting firstsb to 0 and recompiling the file server kernel. With the new kernel, "recover main" should actually start the recovery process. -dave > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:54:03PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote: >> >> recover main >> end >> > I get a different error. I wonder if I didn't configure "archive" > badly and somehow overlapped it onto main or the cache. The error is > now > > panic: fworm: rbounds 13219302 --upas-afehsbqdwneviacrbvaichvggg-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 15:08:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 15:08:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16158 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 15:08:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16154 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 15:08:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 15:08:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4299D199E8; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9F5CD199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 82583 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 06:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by 0 with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 06:19:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 06:14:45 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id g8Q66cv496195; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:06:38 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200209260606.g8Q66cv496195@mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] none attaches a fs From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:07:08 0900 > > This is my understanding that the user `none' > > can always mount a fs(4) without any authentication. : > At the moment, that's correct, and there's no toggle. Is there a reason that the behaviour of fs(4) is different from that of kfs? kfs's treating of none looks more reasonable to me. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 16:22:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 16:22:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18342 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 16:22:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18337 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 16:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 16:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBC621999B; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from excite.com (unknown [211.251.231.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 19ED91999B; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [35.163.171.252] by q4.quickslow.com with NNFMP; 26 Sep 0102 13:18:55 +0700 Received: from unknown (9.49.10.13) by rly-yk05.pesdets.com with esmtp; 26 Sep 0102 20:17:04 +0600 Received: from 149.56.194.149 ([149.56.194.149]) by rly-xw01.otpalo.com with smtp; 27 Sep 0102 02:15:13 -0700 Received: from 136.93.180.49 ([136.93.180.49]) by q4.quickslow.com with smtp; 26 Sep 0102 19:13:22 -0900 Received: from 64.149.207.9 ([64.149.207.9]) by mta21.bigpong.com with esmtp; Thu, 26 Sep 0102 10:11:31 -0300 Message-ID: <018d42c54a0e$3762c2d8$1de71bd6@eveusl> From: "Staff" To: <9fans-request@cse.psu.edu> Cc: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_16E45C6B.C7251E65" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Importance: Normal Subject: [9fans] Are HGH products different? 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mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B2BB319A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7bafaf05a72756470ae548c3ef5c77d2@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:23:02 +0200 > One more thing is missing: you cannot create a new kbmap on the > fly, only modify an existing one. That should not be hard to > fix, though. What's the problem with that? You can modify one of the maps that you're not going to use. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 17:52:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 17:52:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21129 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 17:52:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21125 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 17:52:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 17:52:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40148199E3; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E85EA19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07143 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:50:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8Q8nrQ06560; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:49:55 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8Q8nrq01551 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:49:53 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209260849.g8Q8nrq01551@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs error msg: didn't like (1460 274) byte message In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:30:09 -0400." <5d049645aa7339e8111e226032795ae8@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <5d049645aa7339e8111e226032795ae8@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:49:53 +0200 I see your point about not using read9pmsg. > this works just fine for me. I works for me too. Thanks! > how do you know it's 152 bytes when n == -104? It's a(n educated?) guess. In xfer9p I syslog-ed the message sizes (trying to read, actually read). The 'message size traces' have the same prefix (things done 'under the hood' for the mount command). Then it's just 'diff' by hand: these numbers represent the first difference between a succesful trace and a failing one. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 21:38:59 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 21:38:59 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24934 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 21:38:54 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24930 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 21:38:53 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 21:38:53 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78593199A3; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BB3F61998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7c8f85adcb814481d3e48d704602489b@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] none attaches a fs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:37:07 -0400 > Is there a reason that the behaviour of fs(4) is different > from that of kfs? kfs's treating of none looks more > reasonable to me. Fs and kfs diverged long ago. The kfs network policy is more tuned to being in an untrusted environment, whereas fs just isn't. There's no particular reason, except that kfs has been used in a few untrusted environments, so it picked up these things. Some day we'll have only one file server. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 23:29:48 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 23:29:48 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26593 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 23:29:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26589 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 23:29:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 23:29:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC65919A0D; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail501.nifty.com (mail501.nifty.com [202.248.37.209]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EB5719A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by mail501.nifty.com (8.12.6/3.7W-07/15/02) with ESMTP id g8QEQadS005378 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:26:36 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Moroo Jun To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Subject: [9fans] httpd with virtual host Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:26:35 +0900 I tried to set up virtual host with plan9 httpd. In my httpd.redirect has just one line. http://www.example.org/ /usr/example/doc/index.html But no luck. I checked httpd.c and redirect.c. In redirect.c function redirectinit, redirect table has original url to redirect key pair like this. www. example.org/ /usr/example/doc/index.html But httpd.c function doreq, query to redirect by "http://www. example.org/". Did I make mistake? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Sep 26 23:46:56 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Sep 26 23:46:56 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26874 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Sep 2002 23:46:55 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26870 invoked from network); 26 Sep 2002 23:46:55 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 23:46:55 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D7FA1998C; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 751911998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559aa6f94e2a1ed4b7a4f2fa3f30cbe1@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Eric Grosse To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] httpd with virtual host MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:45:50 -0400 > I tried to set up virtual host with plan9 httpd. Our /sys/lib/httpd.rewrite starts out: # Anything following a # is ignored. # # if the first field ends in a slash, this is an exact match. # otherwise it is a prefix match. ... # Redirection to another site #/netlib/lapack/lawns http://netlib.org/lapack/lawns #http://inferno.bell-labs.com http://www.vitanuova.com # # Root directory for virtual host #http://www.ampl.com /cm/cs/what/ampl I'm not sure exactly what your question was, but try leaving off the trailing slash in your example and see if you get the behavior you want. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 06:06:07 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 06:06:07 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30356 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 06:06:01 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30348 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 06:06:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 06:06:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4649619980; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ns.mccme.ru (ns.mccme.ru [195.133.68.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BF6719A2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.mccme.ru (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id XAA22803 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:25:23 +0400 Received: by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix, from userid 501) id E956957095; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:56:25 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61BD56ECB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:56:25 +0400 (MSD) From: George Bronnikov X-X-Sender: goga@corneja.rubinstein.mccme.ru To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <7bafaf05a72756470ae548c3ef5c77d2@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:56:25 +0400 (MSD) On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > One more thing is missing: you cannot create a new kbmap on > the > > fly, only modify an existing one. That should not be hard > to > > fix, though. > > What's the problem with that? > You can modify one of the maps that you're not going to use. Sure. But the (purely hypothetical) scenario I have in mind is when I find myself in a foreign environment (say on a campus in a US university) where the precompiled kernel has no support for alternative keyboards at all (why would it?). I propose that the default kernel contain either several (2-3) instances of us kbmap (so that one could tamper with the second or third), or (better, IMHO) one us kbmap and a way to add more. Of course, to cover your case, one could compile several different kbmaps into the kernel. Goga From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 06:32:00 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 06:32:00 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30547 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 06:32:00 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30543 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 06:31:59 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 06:31:59 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD76919A5A; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A80D19A58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A977BDB0116; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:17:43 -0700 Received: FROM nas.com BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Thu Sep 26 14:17:42 2002 -0700 Message-ID: <3D937C71.8010304@nas.com> From: Jack Johnson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:30:25 -0700 George Bronnikov wrote: > I propose that the default kernel contain either several > (2-3) instances of us kbmap (so that one could tamper with the > second or third), or (better, IMHO) one us kbmap and a way to add > more. Of course, to cover your case, one could compile several > different kbmaps into the kernel. Would it be ugly-but-adequate to just have two, a default and an (easily alterable) alternate? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 07:06:01 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 07:06:01 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30784 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 07:05:50 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30780 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 07:05:50 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 07:05:50 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 466F419A58; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7B300199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 46347 invoked by uid 18927); 26 Sep 2002 22:01:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Sep 2002 22:01:50 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <3D937C71.8010304@nas.com> Message-ID: <20020926155554.N46323-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:01:50 -0600 (MDT) On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Jack Johnson wrote: > Would it be ugly-but-adequate to just have two, a default and an (easily > alterable) alternate? > there are people who routinely use more than two languages in their day-to-day operations. instead, if we make the default easily alterable and have some mechanism to, say, 'cat mymap > /dev/kbmap' then switching between any number of non-default keyboards and keyboard bindings would be trivial. i believe someone was writing a modification to /dev/kbmap to that effect. not sure if there are any results though. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 09:57:51 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 09:57:51 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1673 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 09:57:50 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1669 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 09:57:49 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 09:57:49 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 199F819A06; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9B251199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] new distribution CD posted Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 20:56:35 -0400 I've updated the CD image available from the Plan 9 web site. It is built from sources as of a few hours ago. There are some noteworthy changes to the install process: - booting and installing from CD works - text-only install works - the default installation boots from /386/9pcdisk in your file system rather than using 9fat In the text-only install, you get a few messages page [sic]: can't find $wsys when winwatch fails due to the lack of rio, and there's no way to know (other than by listening to the disk drive) that "copydist" is making any progress initializing the new file system, but it's just not worth fixing right now. The compile-run-debug-edit-compile cycle is just far too painful. For those creating install disks themselves, you'll be happy to know that building the install floppy now uses a meager 45MB of memory, compared with the previous 90MB. The program in question (one of the compressors) has also been tuned to behave better in the face of being swapped out. The net result is that you can reasonably build a disk using a 96MB system with swap enabled, whereas before it was effectively impossible. Enjoy. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 13:35:11 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 13:35:11 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9041 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 13:35:05 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9037 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 13:35:04 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 13:35:04 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 109D019A67; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F003B19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <25bb38ff90409a367960ce7fc97a7ed5@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new distribution CD posted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:33:22 -0400 For those who for whatever reason don't have internet access while using Plan 9 or those who are behind on their updates, it's worth noting that you can use the recently-posted CD as a stand-in for sources to update your system. Uncompress it and mount it on /n/dist and then use /dist/replica/cd with the various replica commands. For example, bunzip2 < plan9.iso.bz2 >/tmp/plan9.iso 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /tmp/plan9.iso disk/kfscmd allow replica/pull -v /dist/replica/cd disk/kfscmd disallow The advantage the CD has over sources is that it is compressed, so if you haven't yet grabbed the 60MB of binaries from earlier this week or the ghostscript update from two weeks ago, it might be easier to grab the 65MB CD image. Of course, updating from the CD image doesn't preclude updating from sources in the future. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 18:47:51 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 18:47:51 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18525 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 18:47:45 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18521 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 18:47:45 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 18:47:45 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BF7E199B3; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com (mailout07.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.83]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DC4819A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17urhv-0003ah-0F; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:46:47 +0200 Received: from eduard.t-online.de (520050756186-0001@[217.224.218.245]) by fwd03.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17urhs-0idQCeC; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:46:44 +0200 Received: from eduard.t-online.de (localhost.t-online.de [127.0.0.1]) by eduard.t-online.de (8.12.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8R9bShp001891 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:37:28 +0200 Received: from localhost (peter@localhost) by eduard.t-online.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id g8R9bSPZ001888 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:37:28 +0200 From: eduard.epi@t-online.de (Peter Bornemann) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new distribution CD posted In-Reply-To: <25bb38ff90409a367960ce7fc97a7ed5@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Sender: 520050756186-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:37:28 +0200 (CEST) Does this image by any chance contain the missing driver for rtl3189? Thanks Peter B . . |\_-^^^-_/| / (|)_(|) \ ( === X === ) \ ._|_. / ^-_ _-^ °°° From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 19:42:54 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 19:42:54 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19395 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 19:42:54 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19391 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 19:42:53 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 19:42:53 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F141719A5F; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from next.gli.cas.cz (Cameca1.gli.cas.cz [147.231.139.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3C2719AAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 06:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pac by next.gli.cas.cz with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uskF-00003j-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:53:15 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020927105315.GA219@next.gli.cas.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: "Peter A. Cejchan" Subject: [9fans] network cfg help, pls. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:53:15 +0200 Hi, could anybody help me, please, to write my /lib/ndb/local? my name= neXt my IP= 147.231.139.4 gateway= 147.231.137.1 netmask= 255.255.0.0 dns= 147.231136.10 ... ether=nnnn These settings work fine for me under linux; I must be making some mistake under Plan 9. TIA, -- ++pac. Peter A. Cejchan Paleobiology Lab, GLU Acad. Sci. CZ [http | ftp]://next.gli.cas.cz From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 20:20:53 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 20:20:53 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19946 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 20:20:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19942 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 20:20:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 20:20:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87D7E19A83; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from theraft.strakt.com (theraft.strakt.com [62.13.29.34]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F9A119A25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 07:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from strakt.com (boyd@zode.strakt.com [62.13.29.39]) by theraft.strakt.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Debian -5) with ESMTP id g8RBJOP4008086 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:19:24 +0200 Message-ID: <3D943EBC.1020803@strakt.com> From: Boyd Roberts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard References: <20020926155554.N46323-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:19:24 +0200 andrey mirtchovski wrote: >... and have some mechanism to, say, 'cat mymap > /dev/kbmap' >then switching between any number of non-default keyboard and keyboard >bindings would be trivial. > >i believe someone was writing a modification to /dev/kbmap to that effect. > The stuff that Charles Forsyth did and I modified did exactly that. I always thought that compiled in maps were were ugly and just added unnecessary bloat as most of the time all those tables wouldn't be used. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 21:11:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 21:11:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20553 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 21:11:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20548 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 21:11:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 21:11:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39F3B199B3; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38F1619A5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.240.227.6] (helo=JOHN) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17utvm-0000o8-0W for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:09:14 +0100 From: "John Bates" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] new distribution CD posted Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:09:11 +0100 I'm impressed if it does - it looks like a cat to me. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 21:34:03 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 21:34:03 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20809 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 21:34:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20805 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 21:34:02 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 21:34:02 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB38D1999B; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED85019980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8RCWax8012773 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:32:38 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8RCWZfn012772 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:32:35 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure Message-ID: <20020927143232.B29789@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Geoff Collyer on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:40:52PM -0700 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:32:32 +0200 On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:40:52PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote: > > is presumably wrong (I'd bet on 9sonyfs.c being wrong) and could be > deleted or changed to > > conf.firstsb = 0; > I'm sure the problem originated with me using the wrong disk ID when creating the "archive" filesystem. I made that mistake again this morning while rebuilding the fileserver. I appreciate that catching such a silly error would be unprofitably hard, so I'm not complaining. Quite the contrary, in fact, as my error caused a different problem to be identified. Right now, however, I have a new problem I seem unable to resolve. In attempting to "replica/pull" a CD image (not the most recent one, sadly) from a stand-alone server, I seem unable to assign the right ownerships to files (sys:sys, for the most part, but glenda:glenda also suffers). This to a freshly reamed FS. I assume it has something to do with the /adm/users file(s) and the two servers' (kfs on one end and fs on the other) view of these files. But I haven't found a formula that works and the process is too slow to encourage experimentation. What would be the right approach? Should I rather twist the floppy image to this task (I think I had some trouble when I first tried it, so I returned to the KFS host) and will I not encounter inconsistencies there anyway? Help will be greatly appreciated. I presume I'm not simply barking up the wrong tree altogether. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 22:32:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 22:32:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21353 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 22:32:04 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21349 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 22:32:04 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 22:32:04 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B936919A7B; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB2F019A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:29:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8RDTdQ25384; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:29:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8RDTc202950 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:29:38 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209271329.g8RDTc202950@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:29:38 +0200 diff -n /n/dump/2002/0927/sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/util.c /sys/src/cmd/a= uth/factotum/util.c /n/dump/2002/0927/sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/util.c:545 c /sys/src/cmd/aut= h/factotum/util.c:545 < fprint(2, "%s: opening #=C2=A4/caphash: %r", argv0); --- > fprint(2, "%s: opening #=C2=A4/caphash: %r\n", argv0); From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 22:52:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 22:52:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21716 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 22:52:03 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21712 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 22:52:02 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 22:52:02 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27DF519A9D; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 760C819A91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <299bf2fc58b57db82f3e4a16f9c59ffb@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:50:30 -0400 You need to enter config mode while the fs is booting and type "allow". That will, for that boot only, allow you to change uids. The uid isn't crucial, so you could initialize without setting them (as long as they're getting set to glenda or sys rather than none) and not worry about it. I think the allow command is documented somewhere, but I can't find it. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 22:53:51 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 22:53:51 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21747 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 22:53:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21743 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 22:53:50 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 22:53:50 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 056C319AB1; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 53BAB19AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new distribution CD posted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:52:07 -0400 > Does this image by any chance contain the missing driver for rtl3189? Yes. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:00:02 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:00:02 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21866 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:00:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21862 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:00:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:00:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B717819A8B; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6C56F19AAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network cfg help, pls. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:58:02 -0400 Assuming you are not using DHCP, sys=neXt ip=147.231.139.4 ipgw=147.231.137.1 ipmask=255.255.0.0 dns=147.231.136.10 The only part of that entry that actually gets used is your own IP address (to locate the appropriate entry) and the DNS server IP address (to start dns). What really matters is your ip/ipconfig line in termrc. ip/ipconfig -g 147.231.137.1 ether /net/ether0 add 147.231.139.4 255.255.0.0 Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:01:58 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:01:58 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21908 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:01:58 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21904 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:01:58 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:01:58 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BA9919A7A; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from next.gli.cas.cz (Cameca1.gli.cas.cz [147.231.139.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABF0019A9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pac by next.gli.cas.cz with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17uvqr-00003g-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:12:17 +0200 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020927141212.GA216@next.gli.cas.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i From: "Peter A. Cejchan" Subject: [9fans] what's wrong with this? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:12:12 +0200 Dear friends, 8c complies "syntax error" when the following macro is called: #define jpc_bitstream_getbit_macro(bitstream) \ (assert((bitstream)->openmode_ & JPC_BITSTREAM_READ), \ (--(bitstream)->cnt_ >= 0) ? \ (((bitstream)->buf_ >> (bitstream)->cnt_) & 1) : \ jpc_bitstream_fillbuf(bitstream)) int ret; ... ret=jpc_bitstream_getbit_macro(bitstream); TIA4help, -- ++pac. Peter A. Cejchan Paleobiology Lab, GLU Acad. Sci. CZ [http | ftp]://next.gli.cas.cz From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:07:08 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:07:08 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22043 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:06:58 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22039 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:06:57 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:06:57 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38A49199A3; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AB7D219A5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:05:43 -0400 The problem is that assert tries to include the text of what is being asserted, since the compiler doesn't provide preprocessor variables for the current file and line number. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:11:03 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:11:03 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22108 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:11:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22104 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:11:02 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:11:02 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5986E19AA1; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9C96F199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <79dc8d5b2d0f6aaa2d6b20dabe37be4b@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? From: Sape Mullender MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:09:12 -0400 > Dear friends, > > 8c complies "syntax error" when the following macro is called: > > #define jpc_bitstream_getbit_macro(bitstream) \ > (assert((bitstream)->openmode_ & JPC_BITSTREAM_READ), \ > (--(bitstream)->cnt_ >= 0) ? \ > (((bitstream)->buf_ >> (bitstream)->cnt_) & 1) : \ > jpc_bitstream_fillbuf(bitstream)) > > int ret; > ... > ret=jpc_bitstream_getbit_macro(bitstream); For starters, it's abhorrently awful code. You're also using macros recursively. Assert is a macro: #define assert(x) if(x){}else _assert("x") Substitute it in your code and behold the mess you get. What are you trying to save with this macro anyway? Sape From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:12:09 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:12:09 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22122 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:12:09 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22118 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:12:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:12:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07B0319AA3; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AFFA19A8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8RE9px8012968 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:09:53 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8RE9lsC012967 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:09:47 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure Message-ID: <20020927160942.A12877@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <299bf2fc58b57db82f3e4a16f9c59ffb@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <299bf2fc58b57db82f3e4a16f9c59ffb@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 09:50:30AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:09:43 +0200 On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 09:50:30AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > > You need to enter config mode while the fs is booting > and type "allow". That will, for that boot only, allow > you to change uids. The uid isn't crucial, so you could > initialize without setting them (as long as they're getting > set to glenda or sys rather than none) and not worry about it. > Nope, the fileserver was empty and it allowed me to create files. Allow mode was already on. The frustrating thing is that (I think) I had it all installed properly before, but I can't remember how I had got there. I think synchronising the users files did the trick. > I think the allow command is documented somewhere, but > I can't find it. > You're right. It is missing from fsconfig(8). ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:19:05 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:19:05 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22174 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:19:05 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22170 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:19:04 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:19:04 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9EF819AAA; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1D7D19A70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29880 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:17:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.10.2+Sun/csrelay-Sol1.4/RB) id g8REH7Q05872; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:17:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id g8REH7r03233 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:17:07 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200209271417.g8REH7r03233@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:50:30 -0400." <299bf2fc58b57db82f3e4a16f9c59ffb@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <299bf2fc58b57db82f3e4a16f9c59ffb@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:17:07 +0200 > I think the allow command is documented somewhere, but > I can't find it. Also there is a patch to add ``allow'' to the list of fs commands, so you don't have to reboot, to ``allow''. I think it is part of the idefs patches/source at nemo's site. Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:20:01 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:20:01 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22197 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:20:01 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22193 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:20:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:20:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4956819AD6; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A2D8D19A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:18:32 -0400 Well, if you're going to debug it, you want a simpler test case, like: chgrp -u sys /n/yourfs/adm/foo >/n/yourfs/adm/foo If /adm/users doesn't exist, create it and initialize it, and then run "users" at the console to reread the file. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Sep 27 23:27:07 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Sep 27 23:27:07 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22279 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Sep 2002 23:27:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22275 invoked from network); 27 Sep 2002 23:27:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 23:27:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2A7619A70; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust17.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DFA4A19AB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1f535a7124b25e5b45a5c391689c55fa@caldo.demon.co.uk> From: Charles Forsyth To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:28:46 +0100 i was wondering whether the C assert macro was regarded as an expression or a statement, but as usual my C book isn't nearby. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 28 00:30:11 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 28 00:30:11 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23015 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Sep 2002 00:30:11 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23011 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 00:30:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 00:30:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B026A19A7C; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CE28E19A77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:28:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ed385438fec8d70c5b7096b65c092de@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? From: rog@vitanuova.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pwgvuiglszkfhhloljnskddqyr" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:36:41 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pwgvuiglszkfhhloljnskddqyr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i always thought that: #define assert(x) if(x){}else _assert("x") was a bit dodgy... it's a good thing macros aren't used much in plan 9 otherwise someone would have been bitten. still it's better than the ## nastiness, i suppose. --upas-pwgvuiglszkfhhloljnskddqyr Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for rog@vitanuova.com id 1033135640:10:04408:54; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:07:20 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125576; 27 Sep 2002 14:07 GMT Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBC9C19A69; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AB7D219A5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:05:43 -0400 The problem is that assert tries to include the text of what is being asserted, since the compiler doesn't provide preprocessor variables for the current file and line number. Russ --upas-pwgvuiglszkfhhloljnskddqyr-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Sep 28 06:53:10 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Sep 28 06:53:10 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25979 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Sep 2002 06:53:09 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25975 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 06:53:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 06:53:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C81AE19A7B; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail504.nifty.com (mail504.nifty.com [202.248.37.212]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38DEF19A78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by mail504.nifty.com (8.12.6/3.7W-07/15/02) with ESMTP id g8RLoXOY004523 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:50:34 +0900 Subject: Re: [9fans] httpd with virtual host Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Moroo Jun To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <559aa6f94e2a1ed4b7a4f2fa3f30cbe1@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-Id: <26EF78A8-D263-11D6-8461-0050E4504768@nifty.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 06:50:34 +0900 > trailing slash in your example and see if you get the behavior you want. Thank you. It works well. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 29 10:25:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 29 10:25:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14705 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Sep 2002 10:25:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14701 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 10:25:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 10:25:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56E9219A08; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pozitif.net (unknown [213.194.71.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 80EBA1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pozitif.net ([213.194.71.201]) by pozitif.net ; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 04:41:13 +0300 From: "LacOniC" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <3d965a39.904.0@pozitif.net> X-User-Info: 212.252.6.205 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Newbie needs help! 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From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 29 10:45:02 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 29 10:45:02 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14971 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Sep 2002 10:45:01 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14967 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 10:45:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 10:45:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7377B1999B; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2BB11199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie needs help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:43:01 -0400 At the "root is from" prompt, hit enter. At the "user[none]" prompt, type "glenda" (no quotes) and hit enter. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Sep 29 11:09:06 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Sep 29 11:09:06 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15340 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Sep 2002 11:09:05 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15336 invoked from network); 29 Sep 2002 11:09:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Sep 2002 11:09:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A734199ED; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1066919980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8T26Np01129; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:06:23 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: Subject: Re: [9fans] Newbie needs help! In-Reply-To: <3d965a39.904.0@pozitif.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:06:22 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, LacOniC wrote: > Hi! I am very new to Plan 9. In fact very new to an OS that is different from Windows. Can u tell > me how will i start session ? When i boot Plan 9 , "root from..." seems. When i type something > only "root from....[something]" happens. =)Plz dont say "So use windows etc." Tell me the > startup. I will learn others myself. For example i can reboot. In fact i only can reboot. "ctrl > +T ctrl T +r". Thanks in advance. There additional help at Open Forge. Join the hangar18-general list and ask away... -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 11:23:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 11:23:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2812 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 11:23:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2808 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 11:23:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 11:23:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 091EC19A08; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17DEF199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U2KRQ25557; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:20:28 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <20020926155554.N46323-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:20:26 -0500 (CDT) Zao, Ni hao ma? Wo hen hao. On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Jack Johnson wrote: > > > Would it be ugly-but-adequate to just have two, a default and an (easily > > alterable) alternate? > > > > > there are people who routinely use more than two languages in their > day-to-day operations. Wo yong qi ge yuyan. Da svidanya, mi amigo. ps Just in case anyone is interested...[note the one edit from the earlier version I sent out, I'll update that version soonest.] Hangar 18 - Goodwill Linux Group Cluster Project #1 Sept. 29, 2002 Author: Hangar 18 James F. Choate Jr. jchoate@open-forge.org ravage@ssz.com 512-451-7087 Precis: The purpose of this document is to describe the current state of discussion between Hangar 18 and the Goodwill Linux Group. It's purpose is to bring together the various parties involved around a commen set of goals and process. The hope is that we can take the current known resources and have a working facility by the end of 2002. This is a document 'in process'. It is revised and distributed by the senior membership of Hangar 18 at this time. We are actively looking for others to participate and flesh out this skeleton of a proposal. All active contributors can expect to be included in the 'Author' section. Purpose: To build a public access tit-for-tat cluster facility. The facility would consist of multiple machines which ran Plan 9, Inferno, Linux, etc. in a heterogeneous clustering environment. Commercial use of this facility is not covered in this document, but it is not in principle excluded. Once this facility was up and operating it would act as a central contact point to bring other participants and their resources into play to expand the abilities of the facility. Ideally this means that we would have clusters connecting globally through the use of both clear text and cryptographically secure virtual private networks. In addition to clustering it would be involved in the expansion of wireless network technology. In general this would be guerrilla or neighborhood access points. Location: The location would need to be able to support approximately 20 machines. At 110VAC @ 5A this implies a total load of 1kW [Oops, make that about 10kW]. The location would also need to be able to seat at least 10 people in addition to the space taken by the cluster machines and management workstations. The implication is that the space required would be approx. equivalent to 20ft. by 20ft. Access would need to be controlled 24/365. It would also need to have a small space setup for construction and repair of the machines. Exact layout and source for these resources is not covered here. It is assumed that the majority of the material and effort would be donated gratis from the community. Infrastructure: A reasonable infrastructure would imply a Internet connection of at least 256kb/s up to T1 speeds or greater. The higher the better since at least one proposed application is parallel rendering. The current proposed split of machines is: 4ea Plan 9 process servers 1ea Plan 9 file system server 4ea Linux machines (exact cluster architecture not defined) 2ea Management workstation 4ea General workstations for training purposes 5ea Undefined usage per the location requirement above The exact configuration and product load of these machines is not specified in this document. Support: The majority of the support and maintenance would be provided by the Hangar 18 and Goodwill Linux group members. Non-member participant would be acceptable. For this to be a workable facility responce would need to be -near- commercial levels. This means at least 24hr (ie next day) responce on issues and problems. It is proposed that this aspect be taken care of by the facility provider and senior Hangar 18 members. Others are welcome to volunteer on a skills and need basis. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 11:37:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 11:37:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3356 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 11:37:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3351 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 11:37:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 11:37:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82ADC199ED; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1CAD199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14496; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g8U2Zci21768; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200209300235.g8U2Zci21768@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: hangar18-general@open-forge.org, hell@einstein.ssz.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:20:26 CDT." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:35:38 -0400 > ps Just in case anyone is interested...[note the one edit from the > earlier version I sent out, I'll update that version soonest.] I don't think that anyone *is* interested. However, I for one would be interested in you *not* sending such things to 9fans anymore; they're off topic. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 12:01:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 12:01:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4217 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 12:01:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4211 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 12:01:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 12:01:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2F69199ED; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BAE4199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U2wae27256; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:58:37 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <200209300235.g8U2Zci21768@augusta.math.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:58:36 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Dan Cross wrote: > > ps Just in case anyone is interested...[note the one edit from the > > earlier version I sent out, I'll update that version soonest.] > > I don't think that anyone *is* interested. However, I for one would be > interested in you *not* sending such things to 9fans anymore; they're > off topic. So you think using Plan 9 in real world clustering is off topic? Interesting viewpoint. Just another example of why you guys are lost in the ozone. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 12:08:07 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 12:08:07 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4458 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 12:08:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4454 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 12:08:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 12:08:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6AE319A1C; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web40611.mail.yahoo.com (web40611.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.148]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E1057199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20020930030647.36491.qmail@web40611.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.118.24.3] by web40611.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:06:47 PDT From: reza rahman To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] About Plan 9 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:06:47 -0700 (PDT) hello.. i'm a college student and i have a task to find about Plan 9. Where i can find papers about Plan 9, especially the history about Plan 9 thx. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 12:10:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 12:10:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4532 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 12:10:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4528 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 12:10:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 12:10:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7110819A26; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from honk.eecs.harvard.edu (honk.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.101]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2E76199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by honk.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 981983C10F; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:09:37 -0400 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] About Plan 9 Message-ID: <20020929230937.A21634@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> References: <20020930030647.36491.qmail@web40611.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020930030647.36491.qmail@web40611.mail.yahoo.com>; from buatsaya@yahoo.com on Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 08:06:47PM -0700 X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 08:06:47PM -0700, reza rahman wrote: > i'm a college student and i have a task to find about > Plan 9. > Where i can find papers about Plan 9, especially the > history about Plan 9 First hit on google for "plan 9". (http://achille.cs.bell-labs.com) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 12:16:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 12:16:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4720 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 12:16:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4715 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 12:16:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 12:16:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E81BC19980; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD486199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20359; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g8U3Evi22077; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200209300314.g8U3Evi22077@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: hangar18-general@open-forge.org, hell@einstein.ssz.com Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:58:36 CDT." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:14:57 -0400 > So you think using Plan 9 in real world clustering is off topic? No, I just think that advertising is best done somewhere else. > Interesting viewpoint. Interpret it as you like. > Just another example of why you guys are lost in the ozone. Aren't you the guy who usually flies off the handle? Funny how your ``clustering'' post came in a thread about keyboard drivers, which you added nothing to. I'm done posting about it. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 12:54:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 12:54:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5845 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 12:54:09 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5840 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 12:54:08 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 12:54:08 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71FC019980; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1F9F719980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f9caf1291fbef7fa33d9d4cf9f8b7c4@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] hangar 18 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:52:24 -0400 > So you think using Plan 9 in real world clustering is off topic? > Interesting viewpoint. While it's not off-topic for the list in general, it's certainly off-topic in a thread titled "Russian keyboard". > Just another example of why you guys are lost in the ozone. I suspect the real thing Dan was complaining about was your attitude. You clearly have something against some people on this list or against the list itself. The only time you ever post is to tell people that 9fans sucks and we should all be reading the Hangar 18 or Open Forge discussion lists instead. Why are you so angry with us? What did we do? It seems like you've been quite successful at promoting your user group and Plan 9 in general. Why must 9fans be at odds with this? Even if we agree with your belief that "Lucent would -not- be a good 'parent'" for Plan 9, what does shunning 9fans accomplish? Lucent doesn't have anything to do with it. Look at the domain name. It's just a mailing list. It seems like you're hell-bent on splitting off your own separate Plan 9 community, and I just don't understand that. The myriad different sects are one of the worst things about Unix. Why bring it to Plan 9? I think it's great that you're so enthusiastic about using and promoting Plan 9, and the projects you've got on your Hangar 18 and Open Forge web pages look really interesting. Why are you so sure that promoting those efforts requires being so condescending towards others? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:18:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:18:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6800 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:18:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6795 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:18:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:18:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BA4619A66; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AFAE19A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U4FOB05852; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:15:24 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <200209300314.g8U3Evi22077@augusta.math.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:15:22 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Dan Cross wrote: > > So you think using Plan 9 in real world clustering is off topic? > > No, I just think that advertising is best done somewhere else. Your welcome to your opinion. The best place to advertise Plan 9 projects is where Plan 9 users congregate. What's wrong, afraid of a little competition? -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:19:11 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:19:11 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6838 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:19:11 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6834 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:19:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:19:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8681719A54; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CC2F19A57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U4GWR05966 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:16:33 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 In-Reply-To: <2f9caf1291fbef7fa33d9d4cf9f8b7c4@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:16:31 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > > So you think using Plan 9 in real world clustering is off topic? > > Interesting viewpoint. > > While it's not off-topic for the list in general, > it's certainly off-topic in a thread titled "Russian keyboard". Good god amighty. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:23:00 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:23:00 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6973 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:23:00 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6968 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:23:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:23:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B2C5199B6; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7D04F199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <14c30b325001275cfe7eb1046e8fefd2@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:21:47 -0400 > What's wrong, afraid of a little competition? This is exactly my point. Why is it competition? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:26:08 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:26:08 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7071 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:26:08 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7066 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:26:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:26:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7450D19A66; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67C24199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U4NhK06651; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:23:44 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 In-Reply-To: <2f9caf1291fbef7fa33d9d4cf9f8b7c4@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:23:42 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > You clearly have something against some people on this list > or against the list itself. The only time you ever post is > to tell people that 9fans sucks Wrong. I have -never- said anything about 9fans. Most certainly that it ever sucked. I have zero problem with 9fans. I've -never- deprecated Plan 9 or it's users. Hell, I've been a staunch supporter of the OS since the mid 80's. What I -do- take exception with is some of the holier than though attitudes of -particular- individuals, the head-up-the-ass attitude of Lucent and their licenses. There is a reason that I have lab machines named 'pike', 'kernighan', 'ritchie', etc. However, I -do- take -great- exception to the attitude of these same people that Plan 9 should be limited to 'research' applications. Simply because they had -a- few good ideas doesn't mean they are always right, or that anyone should necessarily do what they suggest. What I -have- done is take exception to some of -your- (that's 3rd person just to clarify the point, not that it will keep you from getting your dander up) attitudes. I will continue to voice those concerns. If that upsets you, good. You're clearly too complacent from getting your own way all the time. If you're going to throw rocks, it helps to learn to catch 'em. Get your facts straight. As to how often I post, I post when it's relevant to -my- interest. Just like you (1st person) do. Ta ta. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:27:57 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:27:57 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7139 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:27:57 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7135 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:27:56 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:27:56 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7AD1019A55; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDCB419A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U4Pkm06851; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:25:47 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <14c30b325001275cfe7eb1046e8fefd2@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:25:45 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > > What's wrong, afraid of a little competition? > > This is exactly my point. Why is it competition? If it isn't then why are you complaining instead of helping? You folks are the ones -making- it competitive. Your way or the highway. I'm posting here -asking- for help and offering to help others. You should get your facts straight. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:34:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:34:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7476 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:34:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7471 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:34:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:34:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 580A019A29; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from honk.eecs.harvard.edu (honk.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.101]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C7FC19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by honk.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3AF0A3C10E; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:33:49 -0400 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard Message-ID: <20020930003349.A21862@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> References: <200209300314.g8U3Evi22077@augusta.math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@einstein.ssz.com on Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:15:22PM -0500 X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:15:22PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, Dan Cross wrote: > > > So you think using Plan 9 in real world clustering is off topic? > > > > No, I just think that advertising is best done somewhere else. > > Your welcome to your opinion. > > The best place to advertise Plan 9 projects is where Plan 9 users > congregate. Take a look at RFC 1855; in particular the last point at the bottom of page three. > What's wrong, afraid of a little competition? No, just tired of people with no tact. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:37:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:37:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7591 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:37:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7587 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:37:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:37:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40B3619A60; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D66A519A55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U4YYk07526 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:34:34 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <20020930003349.A21862@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:34:32 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, William Josephson wrote: > > What's wrong, afraid of a little competition? > > No, just tired of people with no tact. Agreed. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 13:46:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 13:46:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7877 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 13:46:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7873 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 13:46:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:46:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 622C619A61; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from honk.eecs.harvard.edu (honk.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.101]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E93B19A58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by honk.eecs.harvard.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5DFEA3C10F; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:45:09 -0400 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard Message-ID: <20020930004509.A21938@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> References: <20020930003349.A21862@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ravage@einstein.ssz.com on Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:34:32PM -0500 X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 11:34:32PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, William Josephson wrote: > > > What's wrong, afraid of a little competition? > > > > No, just tired of people with no tact. > > Agreed. Then why are you always the focal point of flame wars here? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:43:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:43:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9890 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:43:11 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9883 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:43:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:43:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1C5A19995; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1386519995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:41:59 -0400 > What I -do- take exception with is some of the holier than > though attitudes of -particular- individuals, the head-up-the-ass > attitude of Lucent and their licenses. There is a reason that I have No one is 100% happy with the licenses. But you have to admit that we've come a long way since $350 in 1995. Lucent is a big company with more important things to worry about, and Plan 9 is a small effort by an ever-dwindling team of people, all of whom are making that effort in their spare time, on top of whatever it is they get paid to do. No one is getting paid to work on Plan 9 anymore. > lab machines named 'pike', 'kernighan', 'ritchie', etc. However, I -do- > take -great- exception to the attitude of these same people that Plan 9 > should be limited to 'research' applications. Wrong. No one has said that Plan 9 should be limited to research applications. If you want to make a commercial product out of Plan 9, that would be just great. Please do. However, doing so would be a lot of effort, and what people -have- said is that they're not interested in making that effort themselves. If others want to make the effort, great! In fact, there are some commercial uses of Plan 9 out there. If you want to start the Red Hat of Plan 9, go do it. I'd love to see that happen. > > This is exactly my point. Why is it competition? > > If it isn't then why are you complaining instead of helping? I have a finite amount of spare time to spend on Plan 9, and I'm already spending more 100% of that time on it. I work on the projects I think are worthwhile, just as you do. Your web page says you're interested in replacing the DES authentication. Now that factotum is out there, that would be easy. You could say that I (along with a few other people that you don't like) got you most of the way there. I'm complaining because it bothers me to see you assume untruths about people based on your own speculation. > You're clearly too complacent from getting your own way all the time. If I got my own way all the time, there would be a dropdown box on the Plan 9 download page where you could choose the license you wanted to apply to your use of Plan 9, or enter your own. If I got my own way all the time, there would be large teams of people getting paid to write drivers, so I would never have to write another. If I got my own way all the time, Plan 9 would interoperate seamlessly with every file system format and network protocol on the planet. Don't confuse the way things are with the way anyone would like them to be. Don't assume that because someone isn't screaming at the top of his lungs, he's content with the way things are. Being confrontational and obnoxious doesn't make Plan 9 any better. Let's get back to behavior that does. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:44:06 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:44:06 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9916 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:44:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9912 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:44:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:44:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B88419A70; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D01719A61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U5g0p14681; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:42:01 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: <20020930004509.A21938@honk.eecs.harvard.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:41:54 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, William Josephson wrote: > Then why are you always the focal point > of flame wars here? There is a significant difference of opinion about Plan 9 and what it represent. A considerable number of the Plan 9 community haven't even twigged to this simple fact, yet. The only 'flame war' is from you folks. I haven't called -anyone- anything. I -have- expressed my view on quite a few ideas and suggestions that have been made. I will continue to do so. I also am a user of this OS and have a right to express my views. As a developer or distributor you have a responsibility to listen. If you don't, then expect the market to move around or over you. There are after all only three choices in -any- situation. Once the choice is made, the only remaining question is 'How'. If that upsets you, that says more about you than me. The fact is there is a contingent of Plan 9 users who want to expand the OS and include other OS'es into the mix (want tactless, go back and look at some of the responces I received when I asked about creating a process client for Linux or Windows). They believe that it has the potential for significant social impact across the globe. This is against the wishes of quite a few on this list, who would rather see it remain their personal play thing. We sincerely wish that we could get help from these other users, but -they- are the ones who are failing to compromise in their desires. They fail to see, and accept, that Plan 9 has flown the coop and it no longer is in their 'control' (not that it ever really was mind you). They fail to see the fundamental point to the whole idea of Open Source technology. The street has its own uses for technology (to borrow from Gibson). That in fact within 4-5 years it has the potential to significantly change the landscape, not only in computers but society writ large. Hangar 18 and Plan 9 represent an opportunity to short circuit a significant amount of work by large corporations which will deny individuals their right to manage their own lives (Lucent being one of them, if it survives it's current troubles). -That- is truly a lack of tact (and imagination) on their part. I am faced with two choices. Comply and fail in my goals, or pursue my goals and deal with the conflict. I choose the latter (see three choices above). I have the same problem with Linux users. I've been thrown out of one of the Linux user groups in Austin because I dared to talk against the 'OS Religous' wars. Bigots abound (most people are, and never know it, which is probably why they are bigots - see Decarte about questioning things and having an open mind). I simply wanted to create a SIG that was focused on computer applications and technology rather than a single OS. Did I stop? No, I went to another user group (which is why Austin has four Linux user groups). What happened? We made progress and the Plan 9 community (and Linux, and MS, and etc.) at large will soon reap the benefits of those efforts (and tenacity). Am I asking you to do it my way? No, in fact I am building a system that will prevent any one party from being able to control or dictate the process (ie tit-for-tat). Are we excluding anyone from participating? No. Are we limiting it to a single OS? No. The -only- thing we -are- saying is you (3rd person again) can't tell -us- how to do it either. Now who is being hard headed and confrontational here? To you (3rd person unless the shoe fits) it's an ego trip, to others of us it's a way of life. We see the transfer of technology to the individual (as opposed to corporate or government managers) as the -only- way out of the worlds problems. God Money Fascists will sell your soul for their profit (see Jefferson comment about British selling bails of hay and civil rights). Let your dreams die hard. As to me being rude to you (3rd person, English sucks!), I guarantee that it was in responce to -you- being rude or inconsiderate to me first (even if you don't think so, which is the whole point of manners. I'll leave the elucidation of that point as an exercise). I never start a fight, I'll damn well finish it if I have to. I'd rather not have to. I -always- start out with 'Excuse me', 'Please', 'If you wouldn't mind'. I also -always- give the other party the option of saying 'No'. And when they do, I drop it. I'll continue that until I am abused (on my terms, same as you decide when you are abused on -your- terms). At that point my usual responce is to go around. I don't have that option here. So, we bash heads. Ta ta. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:45:06 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:45:06 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9952 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:45:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9948 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:45:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:45:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A3FE19A71; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from rm-rstar.sfu.ca (rm-rstar.sfu.ca [142.58.120.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30C2819A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cultus.sfu.ca [142.58.101.5]) by rm-rstar.sfu.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/SFU-5.0H) with ESMTP id g8U5hwNs018933 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200209300543.g8U5hwNs018933@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: SFUwebmail 2.70 X-Sender: cchany@popserver.sfu.ca To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cchany@sfu.ca Subject: [9fans] about Plan 9 Security Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cchany@sfu.ca List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:45:00 PDT Hi, I'm a student doing a research on Plan 9's security. I looked at the paper "Security in Plan 9". However, I don't understand when it talks about authentication in section 3 of the paper. Is this authentication scheme used for different services than those described in section 2.6 (Factotum Transactions)? If so, what services require which authentication scheme? If no, does it mean that the challenge and response described in factotum transactions a simplified version of the authentication process? Thanks for any help and clarification. God Bless John PS. I tried posting to the newsgroup before I joined the 9fans mailing list but it doesn't seem to work. I hope I'm not sending any duplicate messages to the group. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:47:02 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:47:02 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10041 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:47:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10037 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:47:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:47:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A565A19A7B; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D56A719A74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U5irm14909; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:44:54 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:44:52 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > No one is 100% happy with the licenses. But you have to admit that > we've come a long way since $350 in 1995. And I have on -many- occassions. It's interesting that you don't seem able to recognize that fact or grant credit for it... Have a nice night. This discussion is boring and I have better things to do with my time. Adios. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:49:00 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:49:00 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10112 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:49:00 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10108 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:48:59 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:48:59 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DFCD19A84; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6160419A7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:47:45 -0400 You know what, I give up. It's not worth hiding the truth anymore. You've correctly guessed our secret plans to drive Plan 9 into the ground with a combination of more restrictive licenses, less frequent publication of updates, and more hostile attitudes toward new users. We'd be progressing on all those fronts, too, if weren't for your infrequent but surprisingly effective rants. Just you wait. You may have won this battle, but we'll win the war, and there's nothing you can do to stop us! Mua ha ha ha ha! Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:54:07 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:54:07 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10344 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:54:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10340 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:54:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:54:06 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 003F619A89; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B151E19A85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <01884b467377beb26d53ccf35e79655f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] about Plan 9 Security MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:52:22 -0400 The authentication protocols explained in section 3 are executed via the mechanisms described in section 2.6. Put another way, when there is a 9P2000 conversation going on between two endpoints, those endpoints typically delegate the job of authentication to their factotum agents, which they interact with by the transactions of 2.6. The agents speak the protocols in section 3 (specifically, p9any to negotiate followed by the negotiated protocol) to do the authentication. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:56:05 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:56:05 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10431 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:56:04 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10426 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:56:03 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:56:03 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F2CF19A8D; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FBB119A8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8U5rFH15167; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:53:16 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:53:14 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > You know what, I give up. It's not worth hiding the truth anymore. > > You've correctly guessed our secret plans to drive Plan 9 into > the ground with a combination of more restrictive licenses, > less frequent publication of updates, and more hostile attitudes > toward new users. We'd be progressing on all those fronts, too, > if weren't for your infrequent but surprisingly effective rants. > > Just you wait. You may have won this battle, but we'll win the > war, and there's nothing you can do to stop us! Mua ha ha ha ha! Don't remember who said it first but.... Never ascribe to malice what can be better explained by incompetence or ignorance. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 14:58:07 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 14:58:07 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10561 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 14:58:07 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10552 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 14:58:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 14:58:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3A7B19A89; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from rm-rstar.sfu.ca (rm-rstar.sfu.ca [142.58.120.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3985E19A7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cultus.sfu.ca [142.58.101.5]) by rm-rstar.sfu.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/SFU-5.0H) with ESMTP id g8U5uWNs028456 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200209300556.g8U5uWNs028456@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: SFUwebmail 2.70 X-Sender: cchany@popserver.sfu.ca To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cchany@sfu.ca Subject: [9fans] Sun ports Plan 9's factotum Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cchany@sfu.ca List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:57:34 PDT Have you guys seens this? http://wmf.editthispage.com/2002/09/20 "Word on the street is that Sun is porting Plan 9's factotum to Linux." That'd be cool! I love factotum so much :) God Bless John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 15:06:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 15:06:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10826 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 15:06:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10822 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 15:06:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 15:06:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A90C419A8D; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from rm-rstar.sfu.ca (rm-rstar.sfu.ca [142.58.120.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F27CC19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cultus.sfu.ca [142.58.101.5]) by rm-rstar.sfu.ca (8.12.5/8.12.5/SFU-5.0H) with ESMTP id g8U64gNs004635 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200209300604.g8U64gNs004635@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: SFUwebmail 2.70 X-Sender: cchany@popserver.sfu.ca To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: cchany@sfu.ca Subject: Re: [9fans] about Plan 9 Security Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cchany@sfu.ca List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:05:44 PDT

Thanks for the quick response, Russ. This becomes a lot more clear :) One thing I'm still not sure is that when the 2 factotums speak the protocol in section 3 (passing nonce etc), do they rely on the client and server process to pass messages around or do the 2 factotums send messages directly to each other? Thanks again for the quick reply. That exceed my expectation :) God Bless John

From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 15:25:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 15:25:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11624 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 15:25:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11619 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 15:25:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 15:25:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 393AE19A65; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from grillolja.cs.umu.se (grillolja.cs.umu.se [130.239.40.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDC1119A65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by amavisd-new (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D796A012 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:23:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from peppar.cs.umu.se (peppar.cs.umu.se [130.239.40.13]) by grillolja.cs.umu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5C7FA011 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:23:40 +0200 (MEST) Received: by peppar.cs.umu.se (Postfix, from userid 4541) id 153C32EB7D; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:23:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by peppar.cs.umu.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id D736C393C2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:23:39 +0200 (MEST) From: Tomas To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new amavisd-new-20020630 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:23:39 +0200 (MEST) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 at 12:41am, Jim Choate wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, William Josephson wrote: > > > Then why are you always the focal point of flame wars here? > > There is a significant difference of opinion about Plan 9 and > what it represent. A considerable number of the Plan 9 > community haven't even twigged to this simple fact, yet. > > The only 'flame war' is from you folks. I haven't called > -anyone- anything. Wow. Just how short is your memory? Writing "the head-up-the-ass attitude of Lucent and their licenses", "Just another example of why you guys are lost in the ozone", "You're clearly too complacent from getting your own way all the time", and quoting "Never ascribe to malice what can be better explained by incompetence or ignorance" are examples from the past three days when you've been calling people all sorts of things, explicitly or implicitly. And as for you accusing people on this list for not getting their facts straight, I refer you to Russ' response to your ridiculous "I -do- take -great- exception to the attitude of these same people that Plan 9 should be limited to 'research' applications" statement. [snip] > I never start a fight, I'll damn well finish it if I have to. > I'd rather not have to. I -always- start out with 'Excuse me', > 'Please', 'If you wouldn't mind'. You didn't when this whole argument started. Go back and check the archives if you can't remeber that far back in time. /Tomas (Gonk, I'm sorry my first post to this list in almost a year had to be on a subject such as this.) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 15:26:00 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 15:26:00 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11649 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 15:26:00 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11640 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 15:26:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 15:26:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D4C919A8E; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pd2mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 064EC19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pd2mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.110]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H38000G9N4FR0@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml9so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml9so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.7]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3800J12N4FC9@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HPN5415 (h24-83-1-240.vc.shawcable.net [24.83.1.240]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H38009OBN4FN8@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:24:15 -0600 (MDT) From: "John E. Barham" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <013701c26849$e222d4b0$540da8c0@HPN5415> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 23:23:24 -0700 Hi folks, After a lengthy hiatus I'd like to get back to playing w/ Plan 9. So far the install from CD has been very smooth. I have to remotely admin a FreeBSD server. So far I've been using Tera Term on Windows (i.e., an ssh enabled terminal emulator) but it's a pain doing any serious file editing and I don't care to use either vi or emacs or (needless to say?) X. I'm assuming that Plan9's ssh client is as good as anything else, but how viable would running acme w/ ftpfs connected to my server be as a remote editor? Also, has there been any attempt at implementing WebDAV as a filesystem in Plan 9? John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 15:36:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 15:36:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12018 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 15:36:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12014 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 15:36:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 15:36:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84F8C19A8F; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 04243199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59766 invoked by uid 18927); 30 Sep 2002 06:30:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 06:30:38 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? In-Reply-To: <013701c26849$e222d4b0$540da8c0@HPN5415> Message-ID: <20020930002523.O59465-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:30:38 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 29 Sep 2002, John E. Barham wrote: > I'm assuming that Plan9's ssh client is as good as anything else, but how > viable would running acme w/ ftpfs connected to my server be as a remote > editor? > plan9's ssh client is only v1, which could be a problem... lots of people here use u9fs (i'm not booted in fbsd right now so i can't tell you whether it's in ports) to mount a freebsd system remotely. http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/info/u9fs From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 15:48:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 15:48:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12420 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 15:48:11 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12415 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 15:48:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 15:48:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8F6619A57; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nigel.9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F057519A29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:46:09 +0100 > >> I'm assuming that Plan9's ssh client is as good as anything else, but how >> viable would running acme w/ ftpfs connected to my server be as a remote >> editor? >> > > plan9's ssh client is only v1, which could be a problem... > > lots of people here use u9fs (i'm not booted in fbsd right now so i can't > tell you whether it's in ports) to mount a freebsd system remotely. > > http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/info/u9fs It's not in ports, but it compiles with ease. I use a FreeBSD 4.5 box as a shared server between Windows world and Plan 9 world. It runs u9fs and samba, and also compensates for my lack of a postscript printer. I regularly ssh to it as it has no keyboard/screen. And yes, I would prefer to have a Windows machine that spoke 9p2000. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 16:02:03 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 16:02:03 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12893 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 16:02:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12889 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 16:02:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 16:02:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EEDC19A8B; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C16AF199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 59812 invoked by uid 18927); 30 Sep 2002 06:57:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 06:57:15 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Sun ports Plan 9's factotum In-Reply-To: <200209300556.g8U5uWNs028456@rm-rstar.sfu.ca> Message-ID: <20020930004408.T59465-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 00:57:15 -0600 (MDT) On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 cchany@sfu.ca wrote: > That'd be cool! I love factotum so much :) > And I love Plan 9! when I grow up I'll marry Glenda! :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 16:23:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 16:23:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13889 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 16:23:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13885 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 16:23:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 16:23:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 891DD19980; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.103.202.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0283019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (munish@localhost.thirteenandtwo.org [127.0.0.1]) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8U7L7cO010285 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:21:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from munish@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org) Received: (from munish@localhost) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8U7L6eH010284 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:21:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Munish Chopra To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? Message-ID: <20020930072106.GA10166@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:21:06 -0400 On 2002-09-30 07:46 +0000, nigel@9fs.org wrote: > > > >> I'm assuming that Plan9's ssh client is as good as anything else, but how > >> viable would running acme w/ ftpfs connected to my server be as a remote > >> editor? > >> > > > > plan9's ssh client is only v1, which could be a problem... > > > > lots of people here use u9fs (i'm not booted in fbsd right now so i can't > > tell you whether it's in ports) to mount a freebsd system remotely. > > > > http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/info/u9fs > > It's not in ports, but it compiles with ease. I use a FreeBSD 4.5 box as a [snip rest] Point me to a place on the net to get the source and I'll whip up a port. (If the fact that I don't know where to get the source seems stupid, my bad, I'm really new with this). -- Munish Chopra From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 16:27:11 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 16:27:11 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14093 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 16:27:10 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14088 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 16:27:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 16:27:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1269119A58; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:26:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (CPE0030ab0ef2bb.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.103.202.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEC6819A57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (munish@localhost.thirteenandtwo.org [127.0.0.1]) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8U7PucO010616 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:25:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from munish@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org) Received: (from munish@localhost) by opiate.thirteenandtwo.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8U7PuBU010615 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Munish Chopra To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20020930072556.GB10166@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [9fans] Resources for newbies Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 03:25:56 -0400 I've tried to avoid one of these typical newbie messages, but I'm afraid that even though I'm pretty solid with FreeBSD I feel like a complete idiot in front of my plan9 box. I've checked through the archives and seen that the best advice around for people new to all of this seems to be to read the introductory articles at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/ as well as the intro man pages for the various man sections. I'm about to embark on this task, but I would still like to check if anyone has other resources that google might not have pulled up. Like newbie tips (sam is even more of a nightmare to me than vi was back in the day - I can't even figure out how to quit, though that may be because it's 3:30AM), or just general papers that outline things so they make sense. Anyway, I'd appreciate any resources you could throw my way. Thanks. -- Munish Chopra From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 17:25:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 17:25:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19717 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 17:25:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19713 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:25:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:25:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBCD519A94; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nigel.9fs.org (cotswold.demon.co.uk [194.222.75.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D2E0719A66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <86ed8f31c8bd7e9702be0a8cd4519224@9fs.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:23:38 +0100 > Point me to a place on the net to get the source and I'll whip up a > port. (If the fact that I don't know where to get the source seems > stupid, my bad, I'm really new with this). /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs There isn't really any need for a port; you type make, and it compiles. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 17:28:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 17:28:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19822 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 17:28:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19818 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 17:28:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:28:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DAFC19A97; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pd6mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D4B419A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H380021YSQA3O@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3800E1MSSBQ9@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HPN5415 (h24-83-1-240.vc.shawcable.net [24.83.1.240]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H3800CPNSSAL0@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:26:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "John E. Barham" Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <01a701c2685a$f86bb9b0$540da8c0@HPN5415> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020930072106.GA10166@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:25:43 -0700 > > > lots of people here use u9fs (i'm not booted in fbsd right now so i can't > > > tell you whether it's in ports) to mount a freebsd system remotely. > > > > > > http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/info/u9fs > > > > It's not in ports, but it compiles with ease. I use a FreeBSD 4.5 box as a > [snip rest] > > Point me to a place on the net to get the source and I'll whip up a > port. (If the fact that I don't know where to get the source seems > stupid, my bad, I'm really new with this). > > -- > Munish Chopra I'm not sure that given the Plan 9 license that the u9fs code can just be posted "on the net". However, Andrey helpfully pointed me to the u9fs man page at http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/4/u9fs which says that the u9fs source is in /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs, which I grabbed from my install CD. It compiled without a hitch on my FreeBSD box (although I haven't yet had a chance to test it). Which leads me to my next question: At the end of the install I didn't make a boot floppy (I forgot that my XP partition isn't FAT) and wonder what the best way to boot my new 9 partition is? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:33:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:33:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21698 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:33:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21694 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:33:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:33:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72CEE19A8B; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AFF4B19A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5272e36a34232b25c397a1d07dbdf675@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-fwoigsmvfhuslrdwuxigdsvkzt" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:30:33 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-fwoigsmvfhuslrdwuxigdsvkzt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pssssss. Don't let them now. They could discover those sources under /sys/src by Dr. Parsons. --upas-fwoigsmvfhuslrdwuxigdsvkzt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Mon Sep 30 07:49:03 MDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DFCD19A84; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6160419A7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hangar 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:47:45 -0400 You know what, I give up. It's not worth hiding the truth anymore. You've correctly guessed our secret plans to drive Plan 9 into the ground with a combination of more restrictive licenses, less frequent publication of updates, and more hostile attitudes toward new users. We'd be progressing on all those fronts, too, if weren't for your infrequent but surprisingly effective rants. Just you wait. You may have won this battle, but we'll win the war, and there's nothing you can do to stop us! Mua ha ha ha ha! Russ --upas-fwoigsmvfhuslrdwuxigdsvkzt-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:35:11 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:35:11 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21731 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:35:11 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21727 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:35:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:35:10 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA6B519A8F; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AED3C19A66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17vwsg-0001Bh-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:30:22 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "John E. Barham" Message-ID: <8_Ml9.447419$f05.20319427@news1.calgary.shaw.ca> Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: [9fans] Plan9 as Unix client? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:28:59 GMT Hi folks, After a lengthy hiatus I'd like to get back to playing w/ Plan9. So far the install from CD has been very smooth. I have to remotely admin a FreeBSD server. So far I've been using Tera Term on Windows (i.e., an ssh enabled terminal emulator) but it's a pain doing any serious file editing and I don't care to use either vi or emacs. I'm assuming that Plan9's ssh client is as good as anything else, but how viable would running acme w/ ftpfs connected to my server be as a remote editor? John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:39:08 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:39:08 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21939 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:39:08 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21934 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:39:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:39:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D4CB199ED; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 482D519A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <03df412c7d71cc51d3cb22a3cafd7d12@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 as Unix client? From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:37:20 +0200 > I'm assuming that Plan9's ssh client is as good as anything else, but how > viable would running acme w/ ftpfs connected to my server be as a remote > editor? I've done that and it runs nicely; however, I get better behaviour just using u9fs on the unix machine (IMHO, that's what most of us do). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:39:42 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:39:42 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21961 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:39:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21957 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:39:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:39:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A67B319A9E; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B063199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17vwhi-0000xt-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:19:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3D94ACC8.FF5DC707@null.net> Organization: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1f535a7124b25e5b45a5c391689c55fa@caldo.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:17:48 GMT Charles Forsyth wrote: > i was wondering whether the C assert macro was regarded as > an expression or a statement, but as usual my C book isn't > nearby. The C standard requires that it expand to a void expression, which of course should not have the -> operator applied to it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:41:04 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:41:04 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22016 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:41:03 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22012 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:41:03 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:41:03 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6806019A04; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B40E819AA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17vwhh-0000xn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:19:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3D94ABF1.ED2EDFE4@null.net> Organization: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <25bb38ff90409a367960ce7fc97a7ed5@plan9.bell-labs.com>, Subject: Re: [9fans] new distribution CD posted Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:17:35 GMT Peter Bornemann wrote: >=20 > Does this image by any chance contain the missing driver for rtl3189? > Thanks >=20 > Peter B >=20 > . . > |\_-^^^-_/| > / (|)_(|) \ > ( =3D=3D=3D X =3D=3D=3D ) > \ ._|_. / > ^-_ _-^ > =B0=B0=B0 No, it's an image of a cat. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:41:51 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:41:51 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22034 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:41:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22030 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:41:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:41:51 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DECA19AA3; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D092D19AA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17vwrN-0001A6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:29:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Ralph Corderoy Message-ID: <37e3.3d970458.f1b92@blake.inputplus.co.uk> Organization: InputPlus Ltd. References: <1f535a7124b25e5b45a5c391689c55fa@caldo.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:28:47 GMT Hi Charles, > i was wondering whether the C assert macro was regarded as > an expression or a statement, but as usual my C book isn't > nearby. Harbison and Steele say it acts as if it was void assert(int expr); and if NDEBUG is #define'd then an implementation may #define assert to be ((void)0) Cheers, Ralph. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:42:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:42:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22056 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:42:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22052 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:42:39 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:42:39 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFB7919AA1; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F042619A93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 17vwhi-0000xz-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:19:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: <3D94ADB4.6A5E3C4A@null.net> Organization: U.S. Army Research Laboratory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6ed385438fec8d70c5b7096b65c092de@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] what's wrong with this? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:18:04 GMT rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > i always thought that: > #define assert(x) if(x){}else _assert("x") > was a bit dodgy... Yes, it should be: extern void _assert(const char*); #define assert(x) ((x)?(void)0:_assert(#x)) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 18:51:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 18:51:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22214 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 18:51:04 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22210 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 18:51:03 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 18:51:03 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2006719AA4; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E89E9199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <75334ddcab3b43c2af6937eae20f173c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-jnzsiccqubhvhemzrhyxyrdehz" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:48:43 +0200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-jnzsiccqubhvhemzrhyxyrdehz Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The allow comand (and an alternate version of fsconfig(8) that documents it) is available from the idefs tar ball at http://plan9.escet.urjc.es Drop me a line if you need help with this. --upas-jnzsiccqubhvhemzrhyxyrdehz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Fri Sep 27 16:12:17 MDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07B0319AA3; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AFFA19A8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 10:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8RE9px8012968 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:09:53 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8RE9lsC012967 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:09:47 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure Message-ID: <20020927160942.A12877@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <299bf2fc58b57db82f3e4a16f9c59ffb@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <299bf2fc58b57db82f3e4a16f9c59ffb@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 09:50:30AM -0400 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:09:43 +0200 On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 09:50:30AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > > You need to enter config mode while the fs is booting > and type "allow". That will, for that boot only, allow > you to change uids. The uid isn't crucial, so you could > initialize without setting them (as long as they're getting > set to glenda or sys rather than none) and not worry about it. > Nope, the fileserver was empty and it allowed me to create files. Allow mode was already on. The frustrating thing is that (I think) I had it all installed properly before, but I can't remember how I had got there. I think synchronising the users files did the trick. > I think the allow command is documented somewhere, but > I can't find it. > You're right. It is missing from fsconfig(8). ++L --upas-jnzsiccqubhvhemzrhyxyrdehz-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 19:23:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 19:23:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22732 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 19:23:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22728 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 19:23:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 19:23:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E7B519AA6; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C909119A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8UALZx8021131 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:21:38 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8UALVPT021130 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:21:31 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IDE FS failure Message-ID: <20020930122128.B21106@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <75334ddcab3b43c2af6937eae20f173c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <75334ddcab3b43c2af6937eae20f173c@plan9.escet.urjc.es>; from Fco.J.Ballesteros on Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:48:43AM +0200 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:21:28 +0200 On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 11:48:43AM +0200, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > The allow comand (and an alternate version of fsconfig(8) that > documents it) is available from the idefs tar ball at > http://plan9.escet.urjc.es > > Drop me a line if you need help with this. I'm busy moving offices, shouldn't even be sending mail, right now. But I will get back to the problem in the next day or two. Internet access will be an interesting problem. I have downloaded the latest CD-ROM image, fortunately. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 19:42:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 19:42:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23063 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 19:42:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23059 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 19:42:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 19:42:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E40A19AA4; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 90DA219A8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d0907a364b97bb422c1ec65fe98508d@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Resources for newbies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:40:20 -0400 > google might not have pulled up. Like newbie tips (sam is even more of a > nightmare to me than vi was back in the day - I can't even figure out > how to quit, though that may be because it's 3:30AM), or just general The wiki at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9 is your friend. Also, read through the acme and rio tutorials that appear on your screen when you log in as glenda. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 19:45:08 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 19:45:08 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23104 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 19:45:08 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23100 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 19:45:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 19:45:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB02919AAF; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 69CE419AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5bfb316869974eaa473f292a4de5b9f0@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] about Plan 9 Security MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:43:24 -0400 > Thanks for the quick response, Russ. This becomes a lot more clear :) > One thing I'm still not sure is that when the 2 factotums speak the protocol > in section 3 (passing nonce etc), do they rely on the client and server > process to pass messages around or do the 2 factotums send messages directly > to each other? Yes, they rely on the client and server to pass messages (usually the client and server do this by calling auth_proxy). They're not connected directly. This is illustrated by the lack of lines between factotums in Figure 1a and by the APOP example in section 2.6. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 21:08:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 21:08:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24392 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 21:08:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24388 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 21:08:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 21:08:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A849319AB8; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84B2119AB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8UC5Gb20303; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:05:16 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:05:14 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Tomas wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 at 12:41am, Jim Choate wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, William Josephson wrote: > > > > > Then why are you always the focal point of flame wars here? > > > > There is a significant difference of opinion about Plan 9 and > > what it represent. A considerable number of the Plan 9 > > community haven't even twigged to this simple fact, yet. > > > > The only 'flame war' is from you folks. I haven't called > > -anyone- anything. > > Wow. Just how short is your memory? Those are my opinions. If you want to argue about them that is -you- not me. Further, They clearly don't qualify as 'flame war' since they are direct at -no individual-. Now, if they are not directed at any individual exactly what has your dander up? What are you mad about, that somebody is upset with Lucent and says it? Again, that says more about -you- than me. Lucent -has- been the primary factor in holding Plan 9 back for at least 10 years now. Do I recognize the fact that this will continue? Yes. Do I think that treating Lucent 'nicely' by praising them will help? No. Just look at the recent ver. 4 license fiasco for a recent example. Desp[ite claims from the contrary that still isn't settled (mark my words). Trying to sugar coat that in euphamism or allegory will do -nobody- any good. Never has, never will. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 21:09:08 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 21:09:08 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24401 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 21:09:07 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24397 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 21:09:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 21:09:07 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BE3219AC1; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 763C619AB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id g8UC7Ae20343 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:07:10 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Sun ports Plan 9's factotum In-Reply-To: <20020930004408.T59465-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:07:10 -0500 (CDT) On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 cchany@sfu.ca wrote: > > > That'd be cool! I love factotum so much :) > > > > And I love Plan 9! when I grow up I'll marry Glenda! > > :) You better ask Glen... -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 21:19:01 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 21:19:01 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24549 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 21:19:00 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24545 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 21:19:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 21:19:00 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF29B19AAF; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E7DA19AB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g8UBLTg08726 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:21:29 -0400 From: Sam X-Sender: To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] why can't we all just get along? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Good Lord, man. Would you do everyone a favour and set up a mailing list at hangar18 so you can continue your diatribe to whatever audience cares to listen? I imagine most people are like myself and on this list for the technical discussions and not to listen to some self righteous, negative nancy who thinks his broken grammar ridden rants are in any way appreciated. If you can't play nice, pick up your ball and go home. Cheers, Sam On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Jim Choate wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Tomas wrote: > > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 at 12:41am, Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, William Josephson wrote: > > > > > > > Then why are you always the focal point of flame wars here? > > > > > > There is a significant difference of opinion about Plan 9 and > > > what it represent. A considerable number of the Plan 9 > > > community haven't even twigged to this simple fact, yet. > > > > > > The only 'flame war' is from you folks. I haven't called > > > -anyone- anything. > > > > Wow. Just how short is your memory? > > Those are my opinions. If you want to argue about them that is > -you- not me. Further, They clearly don't qualify as 'flame war' since > they are direct at -no individual-. Now, if they are not directed at any > individual exactly what has your dander up? What are you mad about, that > somebody is upset with Lucent and says it? > > Again, that says more about -you- than me. > > Lucent -has- been the primary factor in holding Plan 9 back for > at least 10 years now. Do I recognize the fact that this will continue? > Yes. Do I think that treating Lucent 'nicely' by praising them will help? > No. > > Just look at the recent ver. 4 license fiasco for a recent example. > Desp[ite claims from the contrary that still isn't settled (mark my words). > > Trying to sugar coat that in euphamism or allegory will do -nobody- any > good. Never has, never will. > > > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com > we see them as we are. www.ssz.com > jchoate@open-forge.org > Anais Nin www.open-forge.org > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 21:34:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 21:34:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24780 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 21:34:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24776 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 21:34:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 21:34:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E627C19A70; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CB56D19A74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-wuahjtmhljwvtfcyhmwvnjjawv" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:32:20 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-wuahjtmhljwvtfcyhmwvnjjawv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Assuming XP is just win2000 with a facelift, you should be able to use the XP loader to boot plan 9. Copy the first block of the partition into a windows file: dd -if /dev/sdC0/9fat -bs 512 -count 1 -of /n/a:/bootsect.p9 There must be a windows way to do this but I dinna know. Boot windows and copy the file to c: edit window's boot.ini (a hidden, protected, system, super secret file) to add plan9 as a menu option. c:\bootsect.p9 = "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" --upas-wuahjtmhljwvtfcyhmwvnjjawv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Sep 30 04:28:10 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Sep 30 04:28:09 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A95819A96; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pd6mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D4B419A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 04:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H380021YSQA3O@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:25:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H3800E1MSSBQ9@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:26:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from HPN5415 (h24-83-1-240.vc.shawcable.net [24.83.1.240]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with SMTP id <0H3800CPNSSAL0@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:26:34 -0600 (MDT) From: "John E. Barham" Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 as Unix client? To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <01a701c2685a$f86bb9b0$540da8c0@HPN5415> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020930072106.GA10166@opiate.thirteenandtwo.org> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:25:43 -0700 > > > lots of people here use u9fs (i'm not booted in fbsd right now so i can't > > > tell you whether it's in ports) to mount a freebsd system remotely. > > > > > > http://www.ecf.toronto.edu/plan9/info/u9fs > > > > It's not in ports, but it compiles with ease. I use a FreeBSD 4.5 box as a > [snip rest] > > Point me to a place on the net to get the source and I'll whip up a > port. (If the fact that I don't know where to get the source seems > stupid, my bad, I'm really new with this). > > -- > Munish Chopra I'm not sure that given the Plan 9 license that the u9fs code can just be posted "on the net". However, Andrey helpfully pointed me to the u9fs man page at http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/4/u9fs which says that the u9fs source is in /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs, which I grabbed from my install CD. It compiled without a hitch on my FreeBSD box (although I haven't yet had a chance to test it). Which leads me to my next question: At the end of the install I didn't make a boot floppy (I forgot that my XP partition isn't FAT) and wonder what the best way to boot my new 9 partition is? --upas-wuahjtmhljwvtfcyhmwvnjjawv-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 21:51:10 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 21:51:10 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25013 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 21:51:09 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25009 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 21:51:08 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 21:51:08 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 752FC19A8B; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0F8FA19A98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57764c2378250bb5d17375a684c6f3ce@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Russian Hanger 18 Keyboards Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:50:00 -0400 I missed the original messages, assuming there were some. I just read 13 or so messages whose complete content seems to be: >>> I'm right, You're wrong and an idiot to boot >> >> No I'm right, you're the idiot, and hate competition > > No, no, no. I'm right and you haven't read the previous 30 messages > I'm sure this is a very important debate and that I'm clearly at fault for having ignored the original barrage, but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere at the moment. Could we have a 1 week time out to consider more cogent responses before the next exchange? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 22:12:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 22:12:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25281 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 22:12:01 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25277 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 22:12:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 22:12:01 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F8DD19A6E; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from theraft.strakt.com (theraft.strakt.com [62.13.29.34]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12ADA199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from strakt.com (boyd@zode.strakt.com [62.13.29.39]) by theraft.strakt.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Debian-5) with ESMTP id g8UDAqe2018702 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:10:52 +0200 Message-ID: <3D984D5C.6080707@strakt.com> From: Boyd Roberts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian Hanger 18 Keyboards References: <57764c2378250bb5d17375a684c6f3ce@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:10:52 +0200 Would that not be found at Zvezdny Gorodok [Star City]? http://www.airspacemuseum.ru/star.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Sep 30 22:52:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Sep 30 22:52:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25848 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Sep 2002 22:52:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25844 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 22:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 22:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1DC819A73; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A1A4119A8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60936 invoked by uid 18927); 30 Sep 2002 13:47:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 13:47:12 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Russian Hanger 18 Keyboards In-Reply-To: <57764c2378250bb5d17375a684c6f3ce@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20020930074023.F59465-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 07:47:12 -0600 (MDT) I think there was a very important little fact that got lost in the noise -- according to rsc no one at BL is getting paid to work on P9 anymore... dat true? if yes, then...? has lucent killed off P9 already and we simply don't know it? should we be alarmed? I know things haven't been creamy and peachy for sometime now, but have things gone for the worse or is rsc simply restating the facts? andrey On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I missed the original messages, assuming there were some. I just > read 13 or so messages whose complete content seems to be: > [snip]