From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 01:28:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 01:28:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4176 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 01:28:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4172 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 01:28:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 01:28:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEDFB19ABE; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:28:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58BAC19AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAUGR978014406 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:27:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:42:11 -0500 > If those IDE drivers are IBM 120GXPs, have you checked > the warranty doesn't preclude 24 7 working? They are WD. I had read disturbing stats about Fujitsu drives failure rates but not IBM's. The Fujitsu story is here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/63/27926.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 01:30:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 01:30:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4199 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 01:30:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4195 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 01:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 01:30:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 615DF19AC1; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:30:15 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F02219AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Nov 30 11:29:05 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sat Nov 30 11:29:04 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] EGA graphics card From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:29:01 -0500 Only in text mode, which is useful for file servers or cpu servers, but not for interactive use (e.g., terminals). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 01:39:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 01:39:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4300 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 01:39:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4296 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 01:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 01:39:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7D2719ABD; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:39:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 922DC19AAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 11:38:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 200.1.1.51 ([200.1.1.51]) by doppio; Sat Nov 30 16:40:36 GMT 2002 From: "Nigel Roles" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:38:15 -0000 For IBM 120GXPs: http://www.sudhian.com/docs.cfm/id/97.sud -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu [mailto:9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu]On Behalf Of Skip Tavakkolian Sent: 30 November 2002 13:42 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] fs hardware configuration > If those IDE drivers are IBM 120GXPs, have you checked > the warranty doesn't preclude 24 7 working? They are WD. I had read disturbing stats about Fujitsu drives failure rates but not IBM's. The Fujitsu story is here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/63/27926.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 03:01:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 03:01:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5239 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 03:01:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5235 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 03:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 03:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD9EB19AC4; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:01:04 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8ED719ABB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2FC37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 545DD256; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:00:27 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021130180027.GA68291@mero.morphisms.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Sat, Nov 30, 2002 at 08:42:11AM -0500, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > If those IDE drivers are IBM 120GXPs, have you checked > > the warranty doesn't preclude 24 7 working? > > They are WD. I had read disturbing stats about Fujitsu drives > failure rates but not IBM's. The Fujitsu story is here: All the manufacturers have had their problems with particular models. The 120GXPs (I think) from IBM definitely had major problems and Fujitsu has had trouble, too. Western Digital seems to be known in the industry for very poor QA; it has been a long time since I've used WD drives, but I did have quite a bit of trouble when I last used them. I'm not sure what to conclude other than "be paranoid if you care about what is on the disk" :-/ rom cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 11:44:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 11:44:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11241 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 11:44:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11237 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 11:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 11:44:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BE4719AC6; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:44:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4B84919981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40576 invoked by uid 18927); 1 Dec 2002 02:36:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 02:36:41 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021130193022.G34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:36:41 -0700 (MST) http://docs.rinet.ru:8083/LomamVse/ch21/ch21.htm whoever wrote this has a pretty good idea of P9 (second release).. i find it hard to believe that such knowledgeable person would be completely disassociated from our little 'clique' we've got here :) hmm. i read the book in 1999.. for some reason it didn't impress me much then but re-reading this chapter now seems to make a bit more sense andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 11:56:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 11:56:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11480 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 11:56:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11476 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 11:56:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 11:56:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EC1B19AC9; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:56:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (unknown [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F89019ABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:55:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7bcb2d4eb3f790c41a5ce3f912024ccf@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:55:07 -0500 "In fact, Plan 9 possesses few user-friendly features." From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 12:02:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 12:02:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11635 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 12:02:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11631 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 12:02:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 12:02:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D35619ACB; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:02:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1421019ACE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 40598 invoked by uid 18927); 1 Dec 2002 02:54:44 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 02:54:44 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) In-Reply-To: <7bcb2d4eb3f790c41a5ce3f912024ccf@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20021130195209.B34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:54:44 -0700 (MST) this book was not written for dinosaurs or curmudgeons, methinks, but rather for script kiddies.. On Sat, 30 Nov 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > "In fact, Plan 9 possesses few user-friendly features." > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 21:54:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 21:54:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21313 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21308 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 21:54:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C3D419AD2; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF3C619AD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB1CrXel061839 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup11.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.26]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20712 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120114533700.00580@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] UNIX to Plan 9 command translation Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:37 -0500 Here is the list of some UNIX commands, which you can emulate in Plan 9 system: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/UNIX_to_Plan_9_command_translation -kyxap From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 1 21:54:48 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 1 21:54:48 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21322 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21318 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 21:54:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 21:54:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0BDE19AD6; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:54:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF59519AD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB1Crael061842 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup11.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.26]) by kp.km.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA20716 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:53:32 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20021130193022.G34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <20021130193022.G34722-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120114573101.00580@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:57:31 -0500 if you want terrible russian translation for this book, here you are: http://yanich.boom.ru/max_sec/ch21.htm -kyxap > http://docs.rinet.ru:8083/LomamVse/ch21/ch21.htm > > whoever wrote this has a pretty good idea of P9 (second release).. i find > it hard to believe that such knowledgeable person would be completely > disassociated from our little 'clique' we've got here :) > > hmm. i read the book in 1999.. for some reason it didn't impress me much > then but re-reading this chapter now seems to make a bit more sense > > andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 00:25:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 00:25:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23874 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23870 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 00:25:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 00:25:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D185119AD3; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:25:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.8.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51E4E19ABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from [24.197.148.57] (HELO trudy) by dc-mx03.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 51131064 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:24:18 -0500 From: "Adrian" To: "9fans" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] 9Term settings Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:26:36 -0500 My name is Adrian, and I am a plan9-aholic. I`m also sys admin for a very large web hosting company.\ Most of my time is spent ssh`d through a terminal to various BSDi/FreeBSD/Linux servers. After adding Plan9 to my work station I find I can`t set 9term to place nice with the other systems. I get errors about no settings for 9-term. My Question is how can I run plan9 and still communicate properly. Currently I can connect and type but can`t use programs such as vi. Any thoughts, comments or suggestions greatly appreciated. Adrian From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 00:30:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 00:30:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23905 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 00:30:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23901 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 00:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 00:30:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9AD9199A3; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DCD519AD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:29:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <545aebb580d9f02c8d468017384281b3@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: nowayjose@fake.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:29:55 -0500 Run vt before you connect to the other system. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 00:47:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 00:47:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24079 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 00:47:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24075 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 00:47:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 00:47:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF10F19ADD; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:47:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68FE719AD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:46:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] (no subject) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 10:46:48 -0500 interesting though unfair to click and clack http://dir.salon.com/21st/feature/1998/05/cov_12feature.html http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/1998/05/13/feature/index.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 05:24:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 05:24:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26310 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 05:24:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26306 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 05:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 05:24:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA64219AE3; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:24:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F116B19AE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB1KNS78023945 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:23:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <032657202f3c2a888b492f4409f6f7b1@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:38:26 -0500 > interesting though unfair to click and clack Did she say something about the Tappet Brothers? I missed it. I guess this would not be a good time to suggest fswiz, the filesystem wizard? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 05:32:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 05:32:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26347 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 05:32:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26343 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 05:32:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 05:32:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 737A619AE8; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:32:27 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from workbench.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2EC519AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:31:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: bwc@coraid.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:33:17 -0500 I think it was the comment about auto mechanic. Time was a mechanic could make a machine. Now they just replace what the computer tell them to. Brantley From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 09:32:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 09:32:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28925 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 09:32:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28921 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 09:32:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 09:32:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 409A619AE0; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:32:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4F2C819AD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:31:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 21137 invoked by uid 991); 2 Dec 2002 00:31:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20021202003141.21136.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings In-Reply-To: Message from "Adrian" of "Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:26:36 EST." From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:31:40 -0500 | My name is Adrian, and I am a plan9-aholic. | I`m also sys admin for a very large web hosting company.\ | Most of my time is spent ssh`d through a terminal to various | BSDi/FreeBSD/Linux servers. After adding Plan9 to my work station | I find I can`t set 9term to place nice with the other systems. | I get errors about no settings for 9-term. You can add an entry to termcap or terminfo, or just tell unix you are using a terminal named "dumb". | My Question is how can I run plan9 and still communicate | properly. Currently I can connect and type but can`t use | programs such as vi. Any thoughts, comments or suggestions | greatly appreciated. Use sam instead of vi! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 13:53:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 13:53:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8414 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 13:53:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8410 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 13:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 13:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C26119AE5; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:53:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6279A19AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from max2-d90.nas.com (max2-d90.nas.com [206.63.102.219]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7C0EB5C4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:52:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [9fans] dynamic loading, was "Ugly Q, I admit" From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Message-Id: <1038804769.1189.2.camel@ketchup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 01 Dec 2002 20:52:48 -0800 On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 01:49, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > are not using, and expect fast booting when we need it. I choose Plan 9 definitly > than Windows or Unices from this point (other reasons are also there though). Is anyone booting Plan 9 terminals over 802.11b? (Is that even possible yet?) If so, are there any caveats or gotchas someone attempting this should watch out for? -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 16:38:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 16:38:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14467 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 16:38:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14463 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 16:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 16:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D30C19AD7; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:38:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6B9F619AE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 76942 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 07:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:37:42 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB27bVv342238; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:37:41 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:37:31 +0900 I am running a 3rd ed. auth server obtaining its root fs from a floppy disk. In the attempt to upgrade my plan 9 network to 4th ed. system, this is the last machine remaining that runs 3rd ed. system and I am planning to upgrade this to 4th ed. based floppy served stand alone auth server. So, could you give me outlines about the 4th ed. auth server, like boot sequence, changes impacted by factotum, or something. Thank you. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 16:50:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 16:50:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15070 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 16:50:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15065 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 16:50:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 16:50:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D0F419AF5; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:50:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F50019AF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB27nPx8027545 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:29 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB27nOD0027544 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:24 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021202094923.H22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:37:31PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:23 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:37:31PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > I am running a 3rd ed. auth server obtaining > its root fs from a floppy disk. > Valiant! > So, could you give me outlines about the > 4th ed. auth server, like boot sequence, > changes impacted by factotum, or something. > I'd be very curious as to what that floppy contains. I had been considering trimming the distribution down to bare essentials for an auth server, but never got adventurous enough. I can suggest that you'll have a bigger kernel (add factotum) and that you'll need access to the secure store with the associated auth/secstored. Other than that, my guess is that you will merely need 4ed versions of the 3ed utilities you are presently using. Others may be more authoritative. If you're willing to list the contents of the floppy you use, I would certainly be grateful. A "proto" file would be wonderful. Note that crypt functions are slow on the 486SX/25 host I use for 4ed (and 3ed _and_ 2ed!!) authentication, so you may want to take that into consideration. The floppy drive would make this slower, but ramfs may be the way to speed things up if you have enough memory. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 17:06:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 17:06:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15666 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 17:06:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15662 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 17:06:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 17:06:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5AC119AFB; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:06:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4284419AEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 03:05:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 79250 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 08:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 08:08:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 08:05:17 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB285Gv285233; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:05:16 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 17:05:16 +0900 Thank you, Lucio. I use two floppies for the auth serv. One for kernel, and the other for fs. Both are DOS formatted floppies. Attached at the end of this mail is the output of `du -a' of the fs floppy. > The floppy drive would make this slower, > but ramfs may be the way to speed things up if you have enough > memory. It seems that dossrv is serving as an cache mechanism. 1 ./plan9.nvr 79 ./386/init 124 ./386/bin/rc 29 ./386/bin/cat 46 ./386/bin/echo 61 ./386/bin/ls 51 ./386/bin/ps 36 ./386/bin/date 86 ./386/bin/ip/ipconfig 86 ./386/bin/ip 122 ./386/bin/ndb/cs 122 ./386/bin/ndb 95 ./386/bin/aux/listen 95 ./386/bin/aux 94 ./386/bin/auth/keyfs 85 ./386/bin/auth/changeuser 126 ./386/bin/auth/auth.srv 305 ./386/bin/auth 955 ./386/bin 1034 ./386 1 ./adm/timezone/local 1 ./adm/timezone 1 ./adm/keys 1 ./adm/keys.who 3 ./adm 0 ./bin 1 ./rc/bin/cpurc (*) 0 ./rc/bin/service 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il565 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il566 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/tcp567 3 ./rc/bin/service.auth 4 ./rc/bin 1 ./rc/lib/rcmain 1 ./rc/lib 5 ./rc 1 ./lib/namespace 1 ./lib/ndb/local 1 ./lib/ndb/auth 2 ./lib/ndb 3 ./lib 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi 0 ./mnt/keys 0 ./mnt 1046 . -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 21:54:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 21:54:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22205 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22201 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 21:54:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54FD719AF8; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 349C619B12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18InLx-0003z8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:59:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robin KAY Message-ID: <3DE8946D.F42985AC@myrealbox.com> Organization: www.gekkou.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200211271811.gARIBWw00341@augusta.math.psu.edu>, Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 VM for Windows/Linux? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:58:53 GMT Doc Shipley wrote: > Only if you're a fan of x86's "backward-compatible-forever" > philosophy. I'm looking forward to seeing an AMD processor that isn't > saddled with all of Intel's cruft. But it is, the Hammer/Opteron will be fully compatible with the 32 bit Intel Architecture. 64 bit addressing and the extended register set will be enabled by a mode bit. The AA64 architecture is only a slight variation on IA32 anyway. -- Wishing you good fortune, --Robin Kay-- (komadori) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 21:54:46 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 21:54:46 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22214 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22210 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 21:54:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 21:54:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B90E19AFD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:54:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F1AA19B0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18InMj-00041h-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 09:59:49 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] audio support for T23 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:59:05 GMT Does anyone know how to get a ThinkPad T23 audio support working? I've checked the plan9.ini manpage for each option, but have not been able to get the machine to recognize the audio device. thanks, jas From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 21:55:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 21:55:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22222 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 21:55:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22218 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 21:55:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 21:55:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A611919B0C; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:54:19 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from wintermute.cse.psu.edu (wintermute.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A265A19AFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by wintermute.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 9270973CB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:53:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who wrote this? admit immediately! :) From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:36:04 +0100 > "In fact, Plan 9 possesses few user-friendly features." That's true. Just remember that Plan 9 is very selective about who's considered a friend ☺. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:02:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:02:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22345 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:02:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22341 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:02:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:02:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E687C19B08; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:02:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7D7E19B00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:01:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:01:41 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:01:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: <95a0c324a5a28861520ed4f868b3ab6e@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] audio support for T23 From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:01:37 -0500 > Does anyone know how to get a ThinkPad T23 audio support working? > I've checked the plan9.ini manpage for each option, but have not > been able to get the machine to recognize the audio device. there's no driver. sorry. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:04:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:04:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22361 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:04:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22357 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:04:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:04:11 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95EF219B11; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:04:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47F1B19B0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:03:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB28XUx8027652 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:32 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB28XSOr027651 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:28 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021202103326.J22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:05:16PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:33:26 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 05:05:16PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > I use two floppies for the auth serv. > One for kernel, and the other for fs. In two floppy drives, I presume. Pity that 2.88M floppies never became common. But then we'd find ways to exceed their capacity :-) > Both are DOS formatted floppies. > Attached at the end of this mail is > the output of `du -a' of the fs floppy. > Thank you. I think I'll post a "proto" file to the wiki, this has bugged me for a long time. > It seems that dossrv is serving as an cache mechanism. > Hm, interesting. I never considered that, but there are lots of little things in Plan 9 that keep surprising me. > 1 ./plan9.nvr > 79 ./386/init > 124 ./386/bin/rc > 29 ./386/bin/cat > 46 ./386/bin/echo > 61 ./386/bin/ls > 51 ./386/bin/ps > 36 ./386/bin/date > 86 ./386/bin/ip/ipconfig > 86 ./386/bin/ip I think you'll get away without ip and ip/ipconfig as /ipconfig should be built into the kernel. /rc/bin/cpurc will need to be adjusted. > 122 ./386/bin/ndb/cs > 122 ./386/bin/ndb > 95 ./386/bin/aux/listen > 95 ./386/bin/aux > 94 ./386/bin/auth/keyfs > 85 ./386/bin/auth/changeuser > 126 ./386/bin/auth/auth.srv > 305 ./386/bin/auth > 955 ./386/bin > 1034 ./386 > 1 ./adm/timezone/local > 1 ./adm/timezone > 1 ./adm/keys > 1 ./adm/keys.who > 3 ./adm > 0 ./bin > 1 ./rc/bin/cpurc (*) Did you forget some comments here? > 0 ./rc/bin/service > 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il565 > 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/il566 > 1 ./rc/bin/service.auth/tcp567 > 3 ./rc/bin/service.auth > 4 ./rc/bin > 1 ./rc/lib/rcmain > 1 ./rc/lib > 5 ./rc > 1 ./lib/namespace > 1 ./lib/ndb/local + /lib/ndb/common - I think that appeared in 3ed, but maybe you don't need it. > 1 ./lib/ndb/auth > 2 ./lib/ndb > 3 ./lib > 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi > 0 ./mnt/keys > 0 ./mnt > 1046 . > Sounds excellent, I must give it a try. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:10:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:10:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22432 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22428 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B241F19B14; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:10:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (unknown [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 509EC19B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (mail@A202E34.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.204]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18357 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:28:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host mail@A202E34.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.204] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18IokS-0000Jk-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 02 Dec 2002 12:28:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15851.17368.479996.209668@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disabling the cursor In-Reply-To: <8f06b189eb40e66a36e60fddc4ecae10@plan9.escet.urjc.es>:paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es's message of 18:08:49 Friday,29 November 2002 References: <8f06b189eb40e66a36e60fddc4ecae10@plan9.escet.urjc.es> X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:28:24 +0100 I have a machine here. I haven't installed it, but vgactl says it has a mach64xx and isn't using hw blanking. In it the hw cursor keeps showing even though the screen is blank. (the monitor is a CRT). I have seen it before in a SuperSavage (LCD panel), don't know in which conditions, and other machines. -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:17:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:17:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22537 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:17:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22532 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 372D919B18; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:17:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA0AA19AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:16:49 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:16:48 EST 2002 Message-ID: <525359b472178cd3ba2aa6417393ab32@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disabling the cursor From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:16:45 -0500 > I have a machine here. I haven't installed it, but vgactl says it has > a mach64xx and isn't using hw blanking. In it the hw cursor keeps > showing even though the screen is blank. (the monitor is a CRT). I > have seen it before in a SuperSavage (LCD panel), don't know in which > conditions, and other machines. Right, if the card isn't using hw blanking, then the cursor will remain on the screen. We actually thought that was nice, when it happened, because it was a good indicator that the monitor wasn't really off. If you want to turn the cursor off, the right place to do it is /sys/src/9/port/devdraw.c:/^drawblankscreen, rather than in the various VGA drivers. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:19:12 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:19:12 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22558 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:19:12 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22554 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:19:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:19:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D02119B1C; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:19:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DA0619B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:18:36 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 08:18:35 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:18:32 -0500 >> 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi what's this? the directories under /mnt/keys should be provided by keyfs rather than be in the on-disk file system. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:30:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:30:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22734 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:30:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22730 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:30:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:30:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13E7E19B20; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:30:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99C8619B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2DTXx8028172 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:34 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2DTVsm028171 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:31 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021202152928.R22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Russ Cox on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 08:18:32AM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:29:29 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 08:18:32AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > >> 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi > > what's this? the directories under /mnt/keys > should be provided by keyfs rather than > be in the on-disk file system. It's a "du -a" so it's likely to have been picked up as a live entry. I think that makes sense. I do have a few more issues to bring up, though. 1. "init" seems to exist only in /$cputype, not /$cputype/bin. I should imagine it ought to stay right there. 2. "netkeys" are missing. I'm assuming they should be included. 3. I'd like to add timesync at least and a few entries in /sys/log, but I suspect these are going to blow the floppy. Any chance of adding fixed-length circular files to Plan 9? ++L PS: Still working on setting things up. I'm pleased this issue has arisen, it's been with me for quite a long time. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:41:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:41:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22912 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:41:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22908 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:41:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:41:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 579D019B1D; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:41:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F64A19AE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:40:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:31:57 +0100 > Also, are the idefs changes (dorman/geoff/nemo) in the latest > distribution? Yes, they're. Our local fs is now the one distributed. We recompiled and booted the resulting binary just to be sure. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 22:53:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 22:53:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23157 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 22:53:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23153 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 22:53:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 22:53:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04CB419ACA; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:53:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B226E19ACA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:52:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40a0e3a873ca9468d3a2c51f52ea7682@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] audio support for T23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:51:58 +0100 I've a port down in my to-do list. But it's still too down to count on it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:23:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:23:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23621 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:23:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23617 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A484E19B24; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:23:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70EA619B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2ELux8028254 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:21:59 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2ELsP5028253 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:21:54 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021202162152.S22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Fco.J.Ballesteros on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:57AM +0100 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:21:52 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:57AM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > > Also, are the idefs changes (dorman/geoff/nemo) in the latest > > distribution? > > Yes, they're. Our local fs is now the one distributed. > We recompiled and booted the resulting binary just to be sure. With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is the released standard? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:26:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:26:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23658 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:26:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23654 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B10719B0B; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:26:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C736B19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:25:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gB2EPIgp022130 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 18903 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: (qmail 12260 invoked by uid 3499); 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server In-Reply-To: <785eb3f2ae5c4e9e417bb6b13942f920@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:25:18 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > I am running a 3rd ed. auth server obtaining > its root fs from a floppy disk. I would sure like to learn how to do this, so I can make an auth server that is entirely FLASH-based. Are there hints for guys like me with little time, or even just a floppy image :-) ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:27:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:27:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23672 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:27:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23668 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:27:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:27:12 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73E191998A; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:27:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D26219B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gB2EQHgp022362 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:26:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 18906 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 Received: (qmail 12264 invoked by uid 3499); 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server In-Reply-To: <850f05e346d014be5db03a148993b4bd@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:26:16 -0700 (MST) would it be possible to put an 'auth filesytem' image somewhere as a prototype? I have 8 MB in flash so serving this up would be easy ... ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:28:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:28:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23689 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:28:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:28:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:28:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1699219B2C; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:28:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A411119B28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:27:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:27:51 +0100 >> Yes, they're. Our local fs is now the one distributed. >> We recompiled and booted the resulting binary just to be sure. > > With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, > left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is > the released standard? With them in place. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:41:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:41:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23840 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:41:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23836 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:41:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:41:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED7E319B25; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E84519B28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2EeLx8028314 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:22 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2EeJkG028313 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:19 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021202164018.T22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es>; from Fco.J.Ballesteros on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:18 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > > > With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, > > left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is > > the released standard? > > With them in place. I would recommend re-enabling the password prompt by default, then. It's better than a totally exposed file server. Nemo, I seem to have lost my carefully concocted /sys/src/fs source tree. You had a rather distinguished Spanish name for your server, could you jolt my memory, help me find the lost details? Thanks. Lucio. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 2 23:49:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 2 23:49:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24048 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2002 23:49:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24044 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2002 23:49:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2002 23:49:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 200C019B2E; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:49:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 62CF519B29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:48:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <870d3f36e2e782bdd88e015b3795cf17@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:48:17 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I would recommend re-enabling the password prompt by default, then. > It's better than a totally exposed file server. Our fs is at my office, which I consider secure. > I seem to have lost my carefully concocted /sys/src/fs source tree. > You had a rather distinguished Spanish name for your server, could Our fs is called "sargazos". Drop me a line if I can help somehow. hth --upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Mon Dec 2 15:41:19 MET 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED7E319B25; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:41:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E84519B28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:40:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB2EeLx8028314 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:22 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB2EeJkG028313 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:19 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Message-ID: <20021202164018.T22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <22c463510631709b16d3fcc89dd6dad6@plan9.escet.urjc.es>; from Fco.J.Ballesteros on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:40:18 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 03:27:51PM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > > > With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, > > left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. But what is > > the released standard? > > With them in place. I would recommend re-enabling the password prompt by default, then. It's better than a totally exposed file server. Nemo, I seem to have lost my carefully concocted /sys/src/fs source tree. You had a rather distinguished Spanish name for your server, could you jolt my memory, help me find the lost details? Thanks. Lucio. --upas-qmrkexsawljneasxlquuqfovdw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 06:12:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 06:12:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27466 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 06:12:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27462 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 06:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 06:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D40CE199E8; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:12:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D86119A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 16:11:05 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.233.227 ([141.154.233.227]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 16:11:04 EST 2002 Message-ID: <27cbca506ebe0278a91bbad5d15ae82c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 16:11:02 -0500 > 3. I'd like to add timesync at least and a few entries in /sys/log, > but I suspect these are going to blow the floppy. Any chance of > adding fixed-length circular files to Plan 9? why bother putting them on disk? you could modify /sys/src/lib9p/ramfs.c to do what you want. then in cpurc you can do logfs -m /sys/log for(i in timesync dns cs auth ...) >/sys/log/$i russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 08:42:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 08:42:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28764 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 08:42:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28760 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 08:42:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 08:42:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF22E19A05; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:42:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7891819991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 18:41:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2164594fc78d308ded03c443085e76ca@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:40:40 -0800 Strictly speaking, it's my local fs kernel (which includes code from forsyth via nigel and IDE support derived from nemo's) that's now distributed. I updated fs(8) and fsconfig(8), so you can see what's new. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 10:40:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 10:40:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32143 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 10:40:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32139 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 10:40:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 10:40:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88BFB199EE; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:40:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C5BC2199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:39:56 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 33788 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 01:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 01:39:55 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB31dsv345655; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:39:54 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:39:50 +0900 > > >> 0 ./mnt/keys/nashi > > what's this? the directories under /mnt/keys Russ is right. It was just mistakenly created during my try and error cycle. > 2. "netkeys" are missing. I'm assuming they should be included. I create `/mnt/netkeys'. Its meaning is not clear enough to me. I placed my file system floppy image (DOS format) on http://p9c.cc.titech.ac.jp/plan9/tmp/mandos.3rd.fs.fd Modify /bin/cpurc and /lib/ndb/local on the floppy before the use. Also, you will need another floppy or something to load 9pccpu kernel. Answer `local!fd0' to `root is from' question. Thank you for all your kind suggestions and hope this gives a good start. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 11:10:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:10:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 617 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 11:10:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 613 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 11:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 11:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1348199DD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EB798199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.131.19]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:09:18 JST 2002 Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021202162152.S22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Message-Id: <400A7402-0651-11D7-9E52-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:53:26 +0900 Hello, >With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, >left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. I might asking too much... I would like to have allow command that allows limited users, i.e., allow bootes arisawa Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 11:32:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:32:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1430 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 11:32:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1426 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 11:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 11:32:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA1E119ABD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:32:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (unknown [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F3FE19A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 21:31:53 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.233.29 ([141.154.233.29]) by plan9; Mon Dec 2 21:31:51 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:31:49 -0500 > I create `/mnt/netkeys'. Its meaning is not clear enough to me. There are two key databases -- keys and netkeys. Keys is the usual database used by Plan 9, while netkeys is typically a secondary database tracking people who use hardware DES-based SecureNet authenticators like the ones from Digital Pathways (now some other name, I'm sure), You don't need netkeys if you're not using hardware boxes. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 13:27:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 13:27:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5677 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 13:27:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5673 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 13:27:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 13:27:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65A8719A08; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:27:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BAEF19A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:26:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB34QUx8000630 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:26:32 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB34QSYf000628 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:26:28 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021203062623.W22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <27cbca506ebe0278a91bbad5d15ae82c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <27cbca506ebe0278a91bbad5d15ae82c@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:11:02PM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:26:24 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:11:02PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > why bother putting them on disk? > you could modify /sys/src/lib9p/ramfs.c > to do what you want. then in cpurc you can do > > logfs -m /sys/log > for(i in timesync dns cs auth ...) > >/sys/log/$i > Excellent idea. I'll definitely look into it. If I get anywhere with it, I'll let 9fans know. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 13:53:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 13:53:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6536 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 13:53:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6532 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 13:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 13:53:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3A4C19AD2; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:53:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1226E19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB34qEx8000676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:52:16 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB34qCk6000675 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:52:12 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server Message-ID: <20021203065211.X22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Russ Cox on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:49PM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 06:52:11 +0200 On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 09:31:49PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > You don't need netkeys if you're not using hardware boxes. > I may be getting this wrong, but isn't it useful for connections from foreign hosts? Like telnet and FTP, for example? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 14:07:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 14:07:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7512 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 14:07:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7508 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 14:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 14:07:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBECB19AD3; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:07:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (unknown [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB5D719A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 00:06:08 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.233.29 ([141.154.233.29]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 00:06:07 EST 2002 Message-ID: <20c57405f33c034344ecdfd4767f820f@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] floppy based standalone auth server From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:06:03 -0500 > I may be getting this wrong, but isn't it useful for connections > from foreign hosts? Like telnet and FTP, for example? There's nothing magical about the name netkeys. It's just convention that Plan 9 (password-based) keys are stored in /mnt/keys whereas hardware-based keys are stored in /mnt/netkeys. When you use netkey (see passwd(1)), you are simulating a SecureNet box but with a password, so /mnt/keys is the relevant database. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 16:41:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 16:41:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12653 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 16:41:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12649 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 16:41:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 16:41:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30B6319A26; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:41:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8338319A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:39:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB37dox8000897 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:50 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB37dnGQ000896 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:49 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20021203093948.A22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Subject: [9fans] Here's a curious one... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:39:48 +0200 I think the Plan 9 release I'm running is pretty much up to date, probably no more than a month old... I get: term% cd BIN term% ls -l term% cd .. term% ls -l BIN d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 18:36 BIN/AUTH d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 15:54 BIN/AUX --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 29642 Sep 18 16:07 BIN/CAT --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 36142 Sep 18 15:15 BIN/DATE --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 46726 Sep 18 15:10 BIN/ECHO d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 22:19 BIN/IP --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 61823 Sep 18 18:36 BIN/LS d-rwxrwxrwx M 34 bill trog 0 Sep 18 15:57 BIN/NDB --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 52117 Sep 18 19:45 BIN/PS --rw-rw-rw- M 34 bill trog 126945 Sep 18 13:38 BIN/RC after installing the auth FS. I wonder where (seemingly) dossrv is going wrong. The NS entry: mount '#s/dos' /n/temp /tmp/mandos.3rd.fs.fd doesn't seem likely to be wrong :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 16:54:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 16:54:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13037 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 16:54:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13033 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 16:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 16:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5E77199F2; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C408119A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:53:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60427 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 07:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 07:56:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 07:53:24 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB37rKv380936; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:53:24 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Here's a curious one... From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:53:19 +0900 I'm sorry for my misleading floppy image. > after installing the auth FS. I wonder where (seemingly) dossrv is > going wrong. The NS entry: > > mount '#s/dos' /n/temp /tmp/mandos.3rd.fs.fd > > doesn't seem likely to be wrong :-) mandos.3rd.fs.fd contains *3rd release binaries* and you will need a 3rd ed. 9pccpu kernel to use them. If you use 4th ed. 9pccpu, it is very likely not to work. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 17:10:06 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 17:10:06 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13648 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:05 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13644 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:10:05 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 945EB19A31; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:09:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A53D19A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB386wx8000983 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:07:00 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB386uZE000982 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:06:56 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Here's a curious one... Message-ID: <20021203100655.D22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:06:56 +0200 On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > mandos.3rd.fs.fd contains *3rd release binaries* > and you will need a 3rd ed. 9pccpu kernel to use them. > If you use 4th ed. 9pccpu, it is very likely not to work. That would explain the problem, of course, if the "local" LS is the one that gets used. How silly of me to overlook the obvious. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 17:10:09 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 17:10:09 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13656 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:09 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13651 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:10:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:10:09 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25E7C19A3E; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:09:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 057F319A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB384qx8000976 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:04:54 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB384pLX000975 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:04:51 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Here's a curious one... Message-ID: <20021203100450.C22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <0ef0997565c7bc7bcfa0f016910a63ab@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp>; from YAMANASHI Takeshi on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:04:50 +0200 On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:53:19PM +0900, YAMANASHI Takeshi wrote: > > I'm sorry for my misleading floppy image. > Not at all, the name makes it very clear. > mandos.3rd.fs.fd contains *3rd release binaries* > and you will need a 3rd ed. 9pccpu kernel to use them. > If you use 4th ed. 9pccpu, it is very likely not to work. I have successfully used 2ed C++ compiler binaries under 4ed (in a limited fashion, of course). You'll be amazed how tolerant Plan 9 is :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 17:21:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 17:21:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14029 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 17:21:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14025 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 17:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 17:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D59A19A56; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:21:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B01419A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:20:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:20:04 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, for me, allow is just to too dangerous and we use it just to upgrade system files including wstats. Before using it you can always ask who to the file server. And it's sensible to put an 'echo dont forget to disllow' in whatever scripts you use to install files. If you fell you really need it, I might change that for you when I get some time, but I'd prefer not to put that into our regular kernel. --upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Tue Dec 3 03:10:19 MET 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1348199DD; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EB798199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.131.19]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 11:09:18 JST 2002 Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20021202162152.S22558@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Message-Id: <400A7402-0651-11D7-9E52-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:53:26 +0900 Hello, >With or without the "allow/disallow" commands? I disabled the former, >left the latter because I feel more comfortable that way. I might asking too much... I would like to have allow command that allows limited users, i.e., allow bootes arisawa Kenji Arisawa --upas-voqhrcgpfdnsxomzbatkcvyzgt-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 18:03:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 18:03:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15371 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 18:03:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15367 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 18:03:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 18:03:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3987D19A63; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:03:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from l1.lviv.net (l1.lviv.net [194.44.63.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8878B19A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from saturn (yan.local.lviv.net [10.10.128.16] (may be forged)) by l1.lviv.net (8.12.0.Beta19/8.11.0) with SMTP id gB392B3O023063 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:02:14 +0200 Message-ID: <013601c29aaa$acb9f0e0$10800a0a@saturn> From: "Ian Dichkovsky" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook Express 2000 UIExt. BuildID: 3BC00FAD (7/10/2001 11:17:49). Subject: [9fans] (no subject) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:02:10 +0200 Hello, Russ! You wrote on Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:34:30 GMT: RC> When you do your next pull, every binary RC> on your system will be updated. RC> (You can also use the "bleeding edge" update CD on RC> the updates web page, after it gets regenerated RC> tomorrow morning at 5am EST; it's probably RC> less to download.) Could you tell me where is updates page ? Here ? http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Is there any information on the page about date of update CD ? At what time (GMT) regular update occurs ? (11:46 -4 GMT ?) P.S. Sorry for bad English. Best regards, Ian Dichkovsky, mailto: ntokay at org lviv net, ICQ 83146271 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 18:07:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 18:07:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15578 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 18:07:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15574 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 18:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 18:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE1DA19A65; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:07:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from l1.lviv.net (l1.lviv.net [194.44.63.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10F9819A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 04:06:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from saturn (yan.local.lviv.net [10.10.128.16] (may be forged)) by l1.lviv.net (8.12.0.Beta19/8.11.0) with SMTP id gB396q3O023676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:06:53 +0200 Message-ID: <015201c29aab$5307a410$10800a0a@saturn> From: "Ian Dichkovsky" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] lots of binaries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 FL-Build: Fidolook Express 2000 UIExt. BuildID: 3BC00FAD (7/10/2001 11:17:49). Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 11:06:51 +0200 Hello, Russ! You wrote on Thu, 28 Nov 2002 02:34:30 GMT: RC> When you do your next pull, every binary RC> on your system will be updated. RC> (You can also use the "bleeding edge" update CD on RC> the updates web page, after it gets regenerated RC> tomorrow morning at 5am EST; it's probably RC> less to download.) Could you tell me where is updates page ? Here ? http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Is there any information on the page about date of update CD ? At what time (GMT) regular update occurs ? (11:46 -4 GMT ?) P.S. Sorry for bad English. Best regards, Ian Dichkovsky, mailto: ntokay at org lviv net, ICQ 83146271 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 18:13:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 18:13:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15758 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 18:13:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15754 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 18:13:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 18:13:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C50419A58; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0CCB19A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 03:34:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:34:21 +0100 When I wrote: > Our local fs is now the one distributed I tried to say just that what we're running now is the file server code as distributed (with no further changes). Since it now includes the changes to support our disks, we have no reason to run a different one. Excuse me in case what I wrote could also mean something different. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 19:38:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 19:38:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17823 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 19:38:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17819 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 19:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 19:38:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C767919A28; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:38:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9F5EF19991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 05:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.131.19]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 19:37:11 JST 2002 Subject: Re: [9fans] fs hardware configuration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <2CD4D4C9-06AB-11D7-B4A1-000393A941BC@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:37:09 +0900 > Well, for me, allow is just to too dangerous and we use it just > to upgrade system files including wstats. Before using it you can > always ask who to the file server. And it's sensible to put an > 'echo dont forget to disllow' in whatever scripts you use to install > files. If you fell you really need it, I might change that for you > when I get some time, but I'd prefer not to put that into our regular > kernel. > Thank you very much! I asked: allow bootes arisawa however a single user will be enough for the argument of allow. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 22:10:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 22:10:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20420 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 22:10:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20416 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:10:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8C1319A08; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CFB5F19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:09:47 +0100 Hi, we've found that if we dont disable the check for IP_DF bit while processing a fragment in ip.c, then some of our connections break from time to time. By doing this change, everything seems to work fine for us: diff /n/dump/2002/1203/sys/src/9/ip/ip.c /sys/src/9/ip/ip.c 315c315 < if(eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ --- > if(0 && eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ The reason seems to be that some times when we connect through our router, we get packet fragments which also carry the DF bit set. Since we're not network gurus, we asked to our local network programming guru and he suggested not to even look into the DF bit if we're not gatewaying. I don't think this is a `Plan 9 problem', but since it did forbid us to keep our connections alive when going through some routers, I thought it could be of help for others. We'll continue tracing this problem. In case we find out anything, we'll let you know. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 22:52:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 22:52:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21068 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 22:52:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21064 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 22:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 22:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6272F19A05; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:52:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E62C019991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] lots of binaries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:51:41 -0500 > Could you tell me where is updates page ? > Here ? > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ureg.html Yes. > At what time (GMT) regular update occurs ? (11:46 -4 GMT ?) It happens every morning at 5:00 US East Coast time (currently 10:00 GMT, until we change our clocks in April). Usually it takes under an hour, so it's done by 6:00, but today it didn't finish until 9:00 (14:00 GMT). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 3 23:17:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 3 23:17:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21471 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2002 23:17:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21467 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2002 23:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2002 23:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2D1419A58; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:17:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF94D19A04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b1c43dd7861606ef7b507b6df57953d@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] IP_DF bit and broken connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:16:40 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm confused. The DF bit should only be set in packets that you are forwarding to someone else, i.e., if you are acting as a router. Is that what you are doing? I can imagine a situation where our action is incorrect. If you are acting as a router and the system routing through you is setting the DF bit in order to do mtu discovery and it is larger than your mtu is less than the packet size, then we should be sending back an icmp message saying that we couldn't fragment. Otherwise the connection can't go through. Is this your situation? The only other situation I can imagine is that we're somewhere forgetting to zero out the bit when creating packets. --upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 08:10:15 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 08:10:14 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C9C0199F2; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:10:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CFB5F19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 08:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 14:09:47 +0100 Hi, we've found that if we dont disable the check for IP_DF bit while processing a fragment in ip.c, then some of our connections break from time to time. By doing this change, everything seems to work fine for us: diff /n/dump/2002/1203/sys/src/9/ip/ip.c /sys/src/9/ip/ip.c 315c315 < if(eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ --- > if(0 && eh->frag[0] & (IP_DF>>8)){ The reason seems to be that some times when we connect through our router, we get packet fragments which also carry the DF bit set. Since we're not network gurus, we asked to our local network programming guru and he suggested not to even look into the DF bit if we're not gatewaying. I don't think this is a `Plan 9 problem', but since it did forbid us to keep our connections alive when going through some routers, I thought it could be of help for others. We'll continue tracing this problem. In case we find out anything, we'll let you know. --upas-zminzhvismrxpbkphdropzuhor-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 10:32:57 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 10:32:57 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30991 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 10:32:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30987 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 10:32:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 10:32:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3DCA199BB; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:32:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4DB671999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA06248 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:33:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA05088; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:31:51 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] cannot open /n/a:/vgainfo.txt Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:31:51 -0500 (EST) While attempting to install from a boot floppy, I got this error message and got dropped into text-mode rc. /n/a: somehow got mounted badly and trying ls got IO errors. mount /srv/dos /n/a: /dev/fd0disk worked, but there is no vgainfo.txt on the disk. Two disks, two downloads of the boot floppy, same error. Any ideas? Thanks, --Joel ______________________________________________________ Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 10:59:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 10:59:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31893 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 10:59:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31889 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 10:59:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 10:59:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52169199BF; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:59:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC2CD199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 20:58:22 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Tue Dec 3 20:58:21 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cannot open /n/a:/vgainfo.txt From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:58:18 -0500 It's trying to create vgainfo.txt, so it's okay that you don't see it there -- the create failed! Does typing "boota:" work? How about "a:"? Is this a standard floppy drive or is there something special about it (on a different controller, is an LS-120, etc.)? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 15:33:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 15:33:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8571 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 15:33:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8567 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 15:33:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:33:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88F7D199B6; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:33:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from smtp2.vol.cz (smtp2.vol.cz [195.250.128.42]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E47411998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail1.post.cz (webmail1.post.cz [212.20.96.249]) by smtp2.vol.cz (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB46W8Cl083051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:32:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pac7@post.cz) Received: from webmail1.post.cz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.post.cz (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gB46W8Ig059840 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:32:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pac7@post.cz) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail1.post.cz (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gB46W7Mj059839; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 07:32:07 +0100 (CET) From: Petr Cejchan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <96b3e3538f7bc97b1d3dc04327390d5d@www1.mail.post.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=iso-8859-2 X-Originating-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) X-Originating-Ip: 147.231.139.42 X-Mailer: Volny.cz Webmail2 1.13 Subject: [9fans] can't read from 700 MB CD-R Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 07:32:07 +0100 (CET) Hi, I cannot mount a filesystem bigger than 650MB from a CD, although I can happily do this with the same iso image on HD. Am I missing something? Thanks, regards, ++pac. -- ---- Vyhraj 2listky na Breakbeat Conference 7.12.2002 v Roxy. zacatek od 22:00 Soutez na http://web.volny.cz Vice informaci o akci na www.lighthouse.cz From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 15:48:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 15:48:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9095 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 15:48:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9091 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14452199BF; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:48:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73E0C1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:47:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 01:47:11 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 01:47:10 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] can't read from 700 MB CD-R From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 01:47:04 -0500 if you ls -l the cd file, does it show the right size? are you sure your cd reader can read the cd? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 4 22:51:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 4 22:51:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20084 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2002 22:51:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20080 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 22:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 22:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCC38199B6; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:51:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr (diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.181]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 478721998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5467 invoked by uid 1556); 4 Dec 2002 13:46:54 -0000 From: Anastasopoulos S To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 15:46:54 +0200 (EET) Hi At http://docs.rinet.ru:8083/LomamVse/ch21/ch21.htm the writer refers to a paper by Tom Duff about the panel library of the second edition. If anybody has it in electronic form, please send me a copy at my private mail (anastas@ceid.upatras.gr). Thanks Spyros From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:23:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:23:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21028 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:23:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21024 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:23:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:23:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 113C9199B9; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:23:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B42219988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:22:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:22:12 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:22:11 EST 2002 Message-ID: <8937a3748502dc2e3b731105628c470c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:22:21 -0500 i just dropped it in /n/sources/contrib/mothra/libpanel/panel.pdf and for the 9p-handicapped, http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/panel.pdf enjoy. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:34:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:34:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21130 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:34:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21126 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:34:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:34:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05708199BB; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:34:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 24FA1199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:33:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50838 invoked by uid 18927); 4 Dec 2002 15:26:06 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:26:06 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper In-Reply-To: <8937a3748502dc2e3b731105628c470c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20021204081928.I46243-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:26:06 -0700 (MST) there are other interesting papers that are hard to find on the net nowadays, like the 1992 'Plan 9 from Bell-Labs' (the one with performance comparisons to the MIPS architecture showing P9 to outperform it somewhat marginally, and also containing kernel sizes in lines of code -- I always like to read that part)... maybe there should be a bigger repository for P9-related papers on sources, old and new? andrey On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > i just dropped it in > > /n/sources/contrib/mothra/libpanel/panel.pdf > > and for the 9p-handicapped, > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/panel.pdf > > enjoy. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:48:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:48:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21260 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:48:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21256 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:48:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:48:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71129199BF; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:48:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CD76199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:47:00 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.142 ([141.154.234.142]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 10:46:59 EST 2002 Message-ID: <60be5ab21bb85ef41c74f7866ca7e83c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:47:06 -0500 > there are other interesting papers that are hard to find on the net nowadays, > like the 1992 'Plan 9 from Bell-Labs' (the one with performance comparisons > to the MIPS architecture showing P9 to outperform it somewhat marginally, > and also containing kernel sizes in lines of code -- I always like to read > that part)... http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.pdf no? > maybe there should be a bigger repository for P9-related papers on sources, > old and new? someone else suggested this too, though i'm not sure there are that many old papers. i think the only papers are Alef User's Guide Alef Ref Manual Panel Library Raster Graphics and the only one that's not online is the gfx one. but so be it. http://plan9.bell-labs.com/old.plan9 /n/sources/contrib/old russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 00:56:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 00:56:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21337 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 00:56:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21333 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 00:56:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 00:56:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DE49199E3; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:56:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 94EBC19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 10:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 50891 invoked by uid 18927); 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 15:48:17 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper In-Reply-To: <60be5ab21bb85ef41c74f7866ca7e83c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: <20021204084531.B46243-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 08:48:17 -0700 (MST) this is what I had in mind: http://netlib.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/cstr/158b.ps.gz the current 'Plan 9 from Bell Labs' paper seems to be significantly reworked (and rightly so -- lots has changed :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 06:19:43 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 06:19:43 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23904 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 06:19:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23900 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 06:19:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 06:19:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 563821998A; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:19:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 918BE19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from TWOFISH.WV.CC.cmu.edu (TWOFISH.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.75.164]) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id gB4LI8H09075 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:18:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [9fans] Duff's panel library paper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: suspect To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <60be5ab21bb85ef41c74f7866ca7e83c@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 16:18:13 -0500 Mk'ing hardware (T. Killian) ? cheers, On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 10:47 AM, Russ Cox wrote: >> there are other interesting papers that are hard to find on the net >> nowadays, >> like the 1992 'Plan 9 from Bell-Labs' (the one with performance >> comparisons >> to the MIPS architecture showing P9 to outperform it somewhat >> marginally, >> and also containing kernel sizes in lines of code -- I always like to >> read >> that part)... > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/9.pdf > > no? > >> maybe there should be a bigger repository for P9-related papers on >> sources, >> old and new? > > someone else suggested this too, though i'm not > sure there are that many old papers. i think the > only papers are > > Alef User's Guide > Alef Ref Manual > Panel Library > Raster Graphics > > and the only one that's not online is the gfx one. > > but so be it. > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/old.plan9 > /n/sources/contrib/old > > russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 12:31:05 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 12:31:05 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 883 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 12:30:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 874 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 12:30:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 12:30:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30F171998A; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:30:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail01.cna.ne.jp (d61-196-127-002.cna.ne.jp [61.196.127.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 657E719999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 18095 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 12:29:21 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO may.localnet) ([61.196.124.101]) (envelope-sender ) by mail01 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 5 Dec 2002 12:29:21 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: pwfmfx@cna.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:29:28 +0900 Hello, I've forgot to tell you that there was a small resource leak in factotum: term% diff /sys/src/cmd/auth/fctotum/util.c util.c 15,17c15,17 < if((srvfd = open("#s/cs", ORDWR)) >= 0){ < if(mount(srvfd, -1, "/net", MBEFORE, "") >= 0) < return 0; --- > if((srvfd = open("#s/cs", ORDWR)) < 0) > return -1; > if(mount(srvfd, -1, "/net", MBEFORE, "") < 0){ 18a19 > return -1; 20c21 < return -1; --- > close(srvfd); term% -- Mamoru Sato From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 12:43:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 12:43:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1390 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 12:43:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1386 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 12:43:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 12:43:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4182919999; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:43:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7ACB1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 22:42:42 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.72 ([141.154.230.72]) by plan9; Wed Dec 4 22:42:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 22:42:39 -0500 Can you please just post the entire bindnetcs() function? From your diff I can't figure out what's going on. Thanks. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 15:49:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 15:49:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8194 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 15:49:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8190 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 15:49:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 15:49:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 138BB199B7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:48:31 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 873A0199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:44:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:44:20 -0500 > | My Question is how can I run plan9 and still communicate > | properly. Currently I can connect and type but can`t use > | programs such as vi. Any thoughts, comments or suggestions > | greatly appreciated. > > Use sam instead of vi! Or use u9fs! Compiling u9fs is one of the first things I do every time I get a new Unix account. I run it over ssh through some convoluted hoops that I've recently packaged into srvssh (see srv(4)). This way it runs as you talking to your SSH connection, rather than as a dedicated daemon listening to the network at large. Combined with this plumbing rule: type is text data matches 'Local (.*)' plumb to none plumb start rc -c $1 and I'm all set. I type "Local 9fs linux" in an acme window, button-2 click it, button-3 click it, and now it's mounted in my acme namespace as well as any rio windows I draw thereafter. Russ g% cat /usr/rsc/bin/rc/9fs # [names below changed to protect the innocent.] #!/bin/rc switch($1){ case spade srvssh -r -u /home/rsc/u9fs/u9fs spade.demon.com spade /n/spade case eecs srvssh -r -u /home/soda/rsc/u9fs/u9fs soda.eecs.berkeley.edu eecs /n/eecs case 18.404 srvssh -r -u /home/18.404/bin/u9fs 18.404@courses.athena.mit.edu 18.404 /n/18.404x && bind /n/18.404x/home/18.404 /n/18.404 case linux srvssh -r -u /home/rsc/u9fs/u9fs linux case ord srvssh -r ord.lcs.mit.edu ord /n/ord case sfo srvssh -r sfo.lcs.mit.edu sfo /n/sfo case ewr srvssh -r -u /home/ny3/rsc/bin/FreeBSD/i386/u9fs ewr.lcs.mit.edu ewr /n/ewr case * exec /rc/bin/9fs $* } exit '' g% From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 15:56:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 15:56:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8507 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 15:56:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8501 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 15:56:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 15:56:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC72C19992; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:55:30 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.mightycheese.com (mail.mightycheese.com [209.61.186.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E942A199EC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:51:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [66.171.61.9] (HELO [192.168.0.2]) by mail.mightycheese.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 397692 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 00:51:58 -0600 From: rob pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9Term settings Message-ID: <82349806.1039042424@[192.168.0.2]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 22:53:44 -0800 I do even more than that. My 9fs rule looks like srvssh ... bind /n/machine/home /home so that the file names I find embedded in Unix files are plumbable. I hope soon to have ssh windows have plumbable names back to Plan 9. Stay tuned. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 18:06:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 18:06:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13435 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 18:06:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13431 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 18:06:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 18:06:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCC5719988; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:06:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06660199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB595Ym2011171 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:05:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9295e66ae9f5e0ba2b19f08365ab8599@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] cpu keyboard Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:20:19 -0500 When using a 4th ed cpu kernel -- built locally -- the console freezes within a few minutes of startup, although the system continues to operate (drawterm and cpu ). The CD image was downloaded on 11/27. The term kernel from the CD on the same hardware doesn't exhibit this problem. Any idea where I should start looking? Also, I can't be sure, but it seems to happen more quickly if I switch the console (keyboard/mouse/display) to another machine and back. I vaguely recall seeing this with a 3rd ed cpu. Has anyone else experienced this? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 18:19:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 18:19:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13842 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 18:19:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13838 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 18:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 18:19:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E99C1998C; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:19:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E821D19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:17:59 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3736384783; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:17:59 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3736384783@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1" Content-Id: <3736384783-1@snellwilcox.com> Subject: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:17:15 +0000 --MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Id: <3736384783-2@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="compat.c" LyogY29tcGF0YWJpbGl0eSBsYXllciBmb3IgdTlmcyBzdXBwb3J0IG9uIENZR1dJTiAqLwoKI2lu Y2x1ZGUgPHVuaXN0ZC5oPgojaW5jbHVkZSA8ZXJybm8uaD4KCnNzaXplX3QKcHJlYWQoaW50IGZk LCB2b2lkICpwLCBzaXplX3Qgbiwgb2ZmX3Qgb2ZmKQp7CglvZmZfdCBvb2ZmOwoJaW50IG9lcnJu bzsKCglpZiAoKG9vZmYgID0gbHNlZWsoZmQsIG9mZiwgU0VFS19TRVQpKSA9PSAtMSkKCQlyZXR1 cm4gLTE7CgoJbiA9IHJlYWQoZmQsIHAsIG4pOwoKCW9lcnJubyA9IGVycm5vOwoJbHNlZWsoZmQs IG9vZmYsIFNFRUtfU0VUKTsKCWVycm5vID0gb2Vycm5vOwoKCXJldHVybiBuOwp9Cgpzc2l6ZV90 CnB3cml0ZShpbnQgZmQsIGNvbnN0IHZvaWQgKnAsIHNpemVfdCBuLCBvZmZfdCBvZmYpCnsKCW9m Zl90IG9vZmY7CglpbnQgb2Vycm5vOwoKCWlmICgob29mZiAgPSBsc2VlayhmZCwgb2ZmLCBTRUVL X1NFVCkpID09IC0xKQoJCXJldHVybiAtMTsKCgluID0gd3JpdGUoZmQsIHAsIG4pOwoKCW9lcnJu byA9IGVycm5vOwoJbHNlZWsoZmQsIG9vZmYsIFNFRUtfU0VUKTsKCWVycm5vID0gb2Vycm5vOwoK CXJldHVybiBuOwp9CgppbnQKc2V0cmV1aWQoaW50IHJ1aWQsIGludCBldWlkKQp7CglpZiAocnVp ZCAhPSAtMSkKCQlpZiAoc2V0dWlkKHJ1aWQpID09IC0xKQoJCQlyZXR1cm4oLTEpOwoJaWYgKGV1 aWQgIT0gLTEpCgkJaWYgKHNldGV1aWQoZXVpZCkgPT0gLTEpCgkJCXJldHVybigtMSk7Cn0KCmlu dApzZXRyZWdpZChpbnQgcmdpZCwgaW50IGVnaWQpCnsKCWlmIChyZ2lkICE9IC0xKQoJCWlmIChz ZXRnaWQocmdpZCkgPT0gLTEpCgkJCXJldHVybigtMSk7CglpZiAoZWdpZCAhPSAtMSkKCQlpZiAo c2V0ZWdpZChlZ2lkKSA9PSAtMSkKCQkJcmV0dXJuKC0xKTsKfQo= --MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3736384783-3@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Getting u9fs to compile under CYGWIN and its adged posix interface I needed a four of shims functions: ssize_t pread(int fd, void *p, size_t n, off_t off); ssize_t pwrite(int fd, const void *p, size_t n, off_t off); int setreuid(int ruid, int euid); int setregid(int rgid, int egid); Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. -Steve --MIME MULTIPART BOUNDARY=.1039079879:+'1-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:02:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:02:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14920 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:02:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14916 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:02:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:02:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 965BA199BF; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:02:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9153B19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5A0xx8007408 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:01:01 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5A0qM2007407 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:00:52 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid Message-ID: <20021205120048.J1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <3736384783@snellwilcox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <3736384783@snellwilcox.com>; from steve.simon@snellwilcox.com on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:17:15AM +0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:00:48 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 09:17:15AM +0000, steve.simon@snellwilcox.com wrote: > > Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. > No, it isn't. I think this is getting pretty twisted, but the tools, in my opinion, ought to be in the distribution anyway :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:07:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:07:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15017 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:07:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15012 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1165E199BF; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:07:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from netscape.com (c3po.aoltw.net [64.236.137.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B338F199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from yoda.mcom.com ([10.128.72.204]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id gB5A6At07161 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from will551 ([10.128.74.77]) by yoda.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H6N5EI00.054 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:18 +0000 From: "will551" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [9fans] network and graphics problems Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:47 -0000 hi guys Im having a bit of a problem setting up my plan9 network. I have a proteon P1370-EA card with an AT/LANTIC chip which gets recognised at boot as the following: #l0 NE2000: 10Mbps port 0x300 irq 9 addr 0x4000 size 0x4000: 000093842A1F (it is recognised under linux as a NE*000 card) I have a linux gateway on my local hubbed network through which a linux box can talk to a dos box. Its ip is 10.5.1.15. I used: ip/ipconfig -g 10.5.1.15 ether /net/ether0 10.5.1.18 255.255.255.0 to config my plan9 box. My /net/iproute is: 0.0.0.0 /96 10.5.1.15 4 none - 10.0.0.0 /128 10.0.0.0 46 ifc - 10.5.1.0 /120 10.5.1.0 4i ifc 0 10.5.1.0 /128 10.5.1.0 4b ifc - . . . when I try pinging my Linux gateway: ip/ping 10.5.1.15 of my other Linux box ip/ping 10.5.1.8 I get a message simalar to: Sending 32 messages 1 second apart and then after about 32 seconds it tells me all the packets were lost. Is there some way that I can get this working? Also Im having a problem with a MACH64CT-C2 card which doesnt seem to be refreshing the screen? It worked fine on the install but now with rio its not working properly? anyone know fixes for these? tx will551 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:21:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:21:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15399 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:21:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15395 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:21:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:21:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29211199B6; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:21:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B449A19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5AKWx8007447 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:34 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5AKR15007446 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:27 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network and graphics problems Message-ID: <20021205122023.K1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from will551 on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:06:47AM -0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:23 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:06:47AM -0000, will551 wrote: > which gets recognised at boot as the following: > #l0 NE2000: 10Mbps port 0x300 irq 9 addr 0x4000 size 0x4000: 000093842A1F > (it is recognised under linux as a NE*000 card) > [ ... ] > I get a message simalar to: > Sending 32 messages 1 second apart > and then after about 32 seconds it tells me all the packets were lost. > Is there some way that I can get this working? > The most likely cause is the IRQ selection, in my experience. If Linux recognises the adapter and is able to use it, it will probably disclose the right IRQ setting. Unfortunately, trial and error is a painful way to get there otherwise. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 19:35:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 19:35:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15727 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 19:35:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15723 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 19:35:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 19:35:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CFEA199DD; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:35:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A598C1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:34:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <08fdc73b5f22a6134f7ef266a02a68a0@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:34:56 +0100 This is what we found regarding broken connections when going through some routers. The setting is Plan 9 <-⋯ether⋯-> adsl router <--> Linux. Linux always sets the DF bit in outgoing packets. Plan 9 doesnt, but setting it does not change things (we tested that). Some routers eat packets with size 1500 (eg. adsl from telefonica in spain) without fragmenting or sending icmps. Too bad. With icmp (sized 1500), Linux sends two fragments despite the mtu being big enough. We get both fragments in Plan 9 but since they came with the DF bit set, the reply is dropped by the if in ip.c. Perhaps once reassembled, the DF bit could be cleared; I don't know. With tcp, Linux has its mtu at 1500 and negotiates its mss of 1460. The same does Plan 9, but despite this, Linux sends packets of at most 1444 bytes when going through the router and Plan 9 sends up to 1500 (which IMHO is legitimate). Thus, the linux packets get through and our 1500 packets don't get through. (The connection gets hanged so that Plan 9 retransmits the poor 1500 packet once and again). The workaround is simply to adjust the mtu not to reach 1500. Doing so either on Linux or on Plan 9 lets things work (because the negotiated mss is smaller). I don't know how linux discovers that it shouldn't send 1500 bytes. There are no icmp packets, and the negotiated mss is the same (as I said before). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 5 21:17:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 5 21:17:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17725 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2002 21:17:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17721 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 21:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 21:17:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30FE8199DD; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:17:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nanionic.hilbert.space (80-26-99-12.uc.nombres.ttd.es [80.26.99.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 44559199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:16:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7b5bbb5be8703e560196a5f620045605@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections From: paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:19:24 +0100 > This is what we found regarding broken connections when > going through some routers. The setting is > > Plan 9 <-⋯ether⋯-> adsl router <--> Linux. More precisely, the adsl router is a Speedstream 5600 from Efficient Technologies. Saludos, Gorka From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:05:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:05:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20263 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:05:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20258 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:05:37 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:05:37 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C13A1998A; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:26:23 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2900B1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:23:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7c5893f473a41fe0dd03897da25d170f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es, 9fans@cse.psu.edu, paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:23:13 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The only problem is that TCP always sets the DF bit to zero since it zeros it in the proto header and copies the protoheader into every packet. ICMP does screw up by just copying the input header to the output packet and thus inheriting the DF bit. I just put new 9/ip/ip.[ch] and 9/ip/icmp.c on sources. The new ip.c sends back an icmp message if it couldn't forward the packet because of the DF bit. It also zero's the frag field when it passes it up the stack so that no upper level protocol can reflect it back. The DF should only remain when we're acting as a router. There's now a check and a print to make sure we're not sending a DF bit for packets originated on the machine. Nemo, could you try these? If you are still sending out anything with DF set, please track it down. I don't see how it could have been happening except in ICMP but this should make it impossible to copy the DF bit from input to output and complain about any locally generated DF's. By the way, Linux is probably doing path MTU discovery. By setting the DF bit, it gets an ICMP packet bounced back to it when the packet can't fit at some router without being fragged. The system backs off when it gets the ICMP message eventually discovering the MTU. If people are using VPN's big time that reduce packet size, I should probably throw in MTU discovery also. It's not that hard to do. It does have some pretty severe problems though. Look at rfc's 1191 & 2923. --upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:35:16 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:35:15 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5846199D7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:35:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A598C1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:34:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <08fdc73b5f22a6134f7ef266a02a68a0@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, paurea@plan9.escet.urjc.es From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:34:56 +0100 This is what we found regarding broken connections when going through some routers. The setting is Plan 9 <-⋯ether⋯-> adsl router <--> Linux. Linux always sets the DF bit in outgoing packets. Plan 9 doesnt, but setting it does not change things (we tested that). Some routers eat packets with size 1500 (eg. adsl from telefonica in spain) without fragmenting or sending icmps. Too bad. With icmp (sized 1500), Linux sends two fragments despite the mtu being big enough. We get both fragments in Plan 9 but since they came with the DF bit set, the reply is dropped by the if in ip.c. Perhaps once reassembled, the DF bit could be cleared; I don't know. With tcp, Linux has its mtu at 1500 and negotiates its mss of 1460. The same does Plan 9, but despite this, Linux sends packets of at most 1444 bytes when going through the router and Plan 9 sends up to 1500 (which IMHO is legitimate). Thus, the linux packets get through and our 1500 packets don't get through. (The connection gets hanged so that Plan 9 retransmits the poor 1500 packet once and again). The workaround is simply to adjust the mtu not to reach 1500. Doing so either on Linux or on Plan 9 lets things work (because the negotiated mss is smaller). I don't know how linux discovers that it shouldn't send 1500 bytes. There are no icmp packets, and the negotiated mss is the same (as I said before). --upas-vnubosgbhyauqylqkyvjhsyven-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:12:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:12:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20380 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:12:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20376 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:12:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:12:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBE221998A; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:12:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5458199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:11:33 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.72 ([141.154.230.72]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:11:32 EST 2002 Message-ID: <7513e68571735e6c6b77aec71bde0b12@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:11:30 -0500 >> Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. >> > No, it isn't. I think this is getting pretty twisted, but the tools, > in my opinion, ought to be in the distribution anyway :-) I assume you were trying to say that it wasn't attached rather than trying to say that it wasn't useful. I see the attachment though, so I'm confused. In any event, I've dropped it into /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs as cygwin.c. Thanks to Steve. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:22:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:22:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20527 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:22:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20522 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:22:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:22:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5421119A31; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:30:32 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1EB819A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:29:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6edf1bd274b3ae3742ae9c175c94c2af@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] network and graphics problems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:29:46 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It looks to me that you have everything configured correctly. The first thing to do is to snoop your network and see if you're seeing any packets at all. If you're on a switch, you'll only see broadcasts or packets sent to it, so you should try pinging it from one of the other systems. To snoop just type 'snoopy' with no args. It'll dump any ether packets it sees on ether0. If you see nothing, the usual problem is the IRQ being used by the ether. You might try moving it from 9 to 11. --upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:07:14 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 05:07:13 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4104199B6; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:07:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from netscape.com (c3po.aoltw.net [64.236.137.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B338F199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 05:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from yoda.mcom.com ([10.128.72.204]) by netscape.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id gB5A6At07161 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 02:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from will551 ([10.128.74.77]) by yoda.mcom.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id H6N5EI00.054 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:18 +0000 From: "will551" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Subject: [9fans] network and graphics problems Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:06:47 -0000 hi guys Im having a bit of a problem setting up my plan9 network. I have a proteon P1370-EA card with an AT/LANTIC chip which gets recognised at boot as the following: #l0 NE2000: 10Mbps port 0x300 irq 9 addr 0x4000 size 0x4000: 000093842A1F (it is recognised under linux as a NE*000 card) I have a linux gateway on my local hubbed network through which a linux box can talk to a dos box. Its ip is 10.5.1.15. I used: ip/ipconfig -g 10.5.1.15 ether /net/ether0 10.5.1.18 255.255.255.0 to config my plan9 box. My /net/iproute is: 0.0.0.0 /96 10.5.1.15 4 none - 10.0.0.0 /128 10.0.0.0 46 ifc - 10.5.1.0 /120 10.5.1.0 4i ifc 0 10.5.1.0 /128 10.5.1.0 4b ifc - . . . when I try pinging my Linux gateway: ip/ping 10.5.1.15 of my other Linux box ip/ping 10.5.1.8 I get a message simalar to: Sending 32 messages 1 second apart and then after about 32 seconds it tells me all the packets were lost. Is there some way that I can get this working? Also Im having a problem with a MACH64CT-C2 card which doesnt seem to be refreshing the screen? It worked fine on the install but now with rio its not working properly? anyone know fixes for these? tx will551 --upas-odtideohrlfjqxmtvmksbnqumv-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:33:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:33:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20652 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:33:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20648 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F24F419988; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:33:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B5ED199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:32:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] u9fs re-release Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:32:39 -0500 For people who want an example of a 9P2000 server but are scared enough of the Plan 9 license not to look at any of the Plan 9 source code, the u9fs source code is now available under a trivial license(*), at http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/research/u9fs.tgz. On a related note, I'm not sure it was ever announced here that over the summer Rob and Eric packaged up the new Plan 9 print library in a form easily run on Unix (and behaving with Unix semantics as far as things like %u are concerned). It is at http://netlib.bell-labs.com/netlib/fp/p9fmt.tgz. Enjoy. Russ (*) The actual license for u9fs (in the COPYRIGHT file in the archive) is: * The authors of this software are Russ Cox, Sean Dorward, Eric Grosse, et al. * Copyright (c) 2002 by Lucent Technologies. * Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any * purpose without fee is hereby granted, provided that this entire notice * is included in all copies of any software which is or includes a copy * or modification of this software and in all copies of the supporting * documentation for such software. * THIS SOFTWARE IS BEING PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED * WARRANTY. IN PARTICULAR, NEITHER THE AUTHORS NOR LUCENT MAKE ANY * REPRESENTATION OR WARRANTY OF ANY KIND CONCERNING THE MERCHANTABILITY * OF THIS SOFTWARE OR ITS FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE. and p9fmt is similar (with different authors). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:34:13 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:34:13 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20661 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:34:13 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20657 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:34:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:34:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0F0D19A25; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:34:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3801219A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5FXvx8007933 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:33:57 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5FXufr007932 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:33:56 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs: pread pwrite setreuid setregid Message-ID: <20021205173352.Q1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <7513e68571735e6c6b77aec71bde0b12@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <7513e68571735e6c6b77aec71bde0b12@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:11:30AM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:33:55 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:11:30AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > >> Just in case this is usefull to somone else it is here attached. > >> > > No, it isn't. I think this is getting pretty twisted, but the tools, > > in my opinion, ought to be in the distribution anyway :-) > > I assume you were trying to say that it wasn't attached > rather than trying to say that it wasn't useful. > I see the attachment though, so I'm confused. > Yes, my copy of the message did not include the attachment. No idea why not, but I'll try to establish that. > In any event, I've dropped it into /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs > as cygwin.c. Thanks to Steve. > My thanks too. Sorry about the confusion. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:38:52 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:38:52 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20709 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:38:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20705 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:38:52 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:38:52 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3436719A54; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:33:41 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECA4F19A3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:32:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2c273fc89a45db1abed6fe5d4fada7ac@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:32:24 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you also have the console on one of the serial ports? Define console freeze a little better, i.e., if you hit ^t^tr does it reboot, do error messages continue to appear on the display, ... --upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 04:06:16 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 04:06:15 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7CCF1999B; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:06:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06660199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 04:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB595Ym2011171 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:05:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9295e66ae9f5e0ba2b19f08365ab8599@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] cpu keyboard Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 01:20:19 -0500 When using a 4th ed cpu kernel -- built locally -- the console freezes within a few minutes of startup, although the system continues to operate (drawterm and cpu ). The CD image was downloaded on 11/27. The term kernel from the CD on the same hardware doesn't exhibit this problem. Any idea where I should start looking? Also, I can't be sure, but it seems to happen more quickly if I switch the console (keyboard/mouse/display) to another machine and back. I vaguely recall seeing this with a 3rd ed cpu. Has anyone else experienced this? --upas-vvuljxrfkyngruqjlevwipazsa-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:45:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:45:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20788 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:45:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20784 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:45:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:45:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00D2F199B6; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:45:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CB261998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:44:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gB5Fibx8007985 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:44:37 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gB5Fia7q007984 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:44:36 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Message-ID: <20021205174434.R1419@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from Russ Cox on Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:32:39AM -0500 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:44:35 +0200 On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 10:32:39AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > > (*) The actual license for u9fs (in the COPYRIGHT file > in the archive) is: > It strikes me as being very close, at least in intent, to the BSD licence. I concur with those who believe that having as few variations as possible from a small set of fundamental "Open Source" licences is good for the community in general and bad for lawyers, so in my opinion this particular licence should explicitly model itself on the BSD one. Just an opinion, although I think it is advice I'd like to see followed. ++L PS: If the code were mine, I'd add the GNU proviso that any derived works should require disclosure of the source, but there are pros and cons with that. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 00:54:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 00:54:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20901 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 00:54:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20897 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 00:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 00:54:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B185819A00; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:54:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9FFD6199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:53:41 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.72 ([141.154.230.72]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 10:53:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:53:38 -0500 > It strikes me as being very close, at least in intent, to the BSD > licence. I concur with those who believe that having as few > variations as possible from a small set of fundamental "Open Source" > licences is good for the community in general and bad for lawyers, > so in my opinion this particular licence should explicitly model > itself on the BSD one. The point of this was NOT to reopen haggling over licensing. Bell Labs has been using that boilerplate since before the term "open source" existed. It's not like the wording was written from scratch yesterday. Please please PLEASE don't continue this thread. We'll all just have filled mailboxes and nothing useful to show for it. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 01:05:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 01:05:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21038 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 01:05:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21034 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 01:05:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:05:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 540E9199BF; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:05:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75EEA1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:04:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from canadamail2mrk.Canada.Sun.COM ([129.155.2.2]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29692 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zonzorp.canada.sun.com (zonzorp.Canada.Sun.COM [10.9.130.22]) by canadamail2mrk.Canada.Sun.COM (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id gB5G4rjs000005 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from zonzorp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zonzorp.canada.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB5G3OZ7019316 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:03:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212051603.gB5G3OZ7019316@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "ozan s. yigit" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:03:24 -0500 thanks for releasing the u9fs server. appreciated. on another topic: anything new happening with tra? sorry i have not been able to supply logs to you as promised, but many system changes at home; should be able to do better in the next little while. cheers... oz From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 01:08:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 01:08:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21069 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21065 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:08:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45A5B199F2; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:08:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA156199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:07:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from canadamail1mrk.Canada.Sun.COM ([129.155.2.1]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01691 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 08:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from zonzorp.canada.sun.com (zonzorp.Canada.Sun.COM [10.9.130.22]) by canadamail1mrk.Canada.Sun.COM (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2/ENSMAIL,v2.2) with ESMTP id gB5G7b0n028418 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from zonzorp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zonzorp.canada.sun.com (8.12.2+Sun/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gB5G68Z7019403 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:06:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212051606.gB5G68Z7019403@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "ozan s. yigit" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:06:08 -0500 so sorry, last message was supposed to go to russ, not the list. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 01:12:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 01:12:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21105 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 01:12:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21101 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 01:12:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 01:12:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FB28199E3; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:12:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB40D1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C37A37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:34 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6E5D1275; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:11:34 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [OT] tra Message-ID: <20021205161134.GB5528@mero.morphisms.net> References: <200212051603.gB5G3OZ7019316@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200212051603.gB5G3OZ7019316@zonzorp.canada.sun.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: tra@eecs.harvard.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:03:24AM -0500, ozan s. yigit wrote: > on another topic: anything new happening with tra? sorry i have > not been able to supply logs to you as promised, but many system > changes at home; should be able to do better in the next little > while. We've been discussing a gui off and on for a while now. I, at least, would be interested in people's thoughts on the gui. There's also some back-porting to Unix and Windows to do, but I've been sidetracked n+1 times since then. Follow-ups, if any, to the tra list :-) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:07:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:07:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21569 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:07:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21565 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C396199B7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:07:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0972119992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5H61L7027895 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:06:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:20:45 -0500 > Do you also have the console on one of the serial ports? Define console > freeze a little better, i.e., if you hit ^t^tr does it reboot, do error > messages continue to appear on the display, ... I can't get to 9fat, but I'm pretty sure the "console=0" was commented out; it's the standard plan9.ini + some new bootfiles added. ^t^tr doesn't reboot. No error messages have appeared on the display from the point where the keyboard stopped responding some 7 hours ago. I don't know how to specifically cause an error message to appear on the console to make certain. Also, is there any way to get at cpu's 9fat from drawterm with bootes credentials (or other files in cpu's /dev)? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:20:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:20:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21649 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:20:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21645 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:20:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:20:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3676199B9; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:20:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4426199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:19:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 12:19:12 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.181 ([18.24.6.181]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 12:19:11 EST 2002 Message-ID: <840454ba8e7a685b77602dd7637247b6@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:19:15 -0500 > I don't know how to specifically cause an error message to appear on the > console to make certain. Also, is there any way to get at cpu's 9fat > from drawterm with bootes credentials (or other files in cpu's /dev)? To mount 9fat from a cpu window as the hostowner (bootes): bind -b '#S' /dev rm /srv/dos 9fat: To write to the console: echo this will appear on the console >'#c/cons' Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:35:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:35:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21766 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:35:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21762 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E211F199BB; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:35:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8940199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5HYFL7006561 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:34:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <913608bef33db22f53b5b51475ce295d@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 09:48:59 -0500 Thanks. I confirmed that 'console=0' is commented out in plan9.ini, and that messages appear on the console display. It seems only the keyboard is hosed. > To mount 9fat from a cpu window as the hostowner (bootes): > > bind -b '#S' /dev > rm /srv/dos > 9fat: > > To write to the console: > > echo this will appear on the console >'#c/cons' From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 02:48:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 02:48:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21905 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 02:48:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21900 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 02:48:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 02:48:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63131199D7; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:48:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A3131998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:47:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from patton.home (12-226-228-104.client.attbi.com[12.226.228.104]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <2002120517473500100rv070e>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:47:35 +0000 Message-ID: <239a99a86dba2d9846e50596e6708d5e@cs.cmu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: David Swasey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] u9fs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:49:48 -0500 Thanks for srvssh. Here are the changes I made to get u9fs running on a SunOS 5.5.1 machine. -dave 1. A comment: diff /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs/makefile u9fs-new/makefile 5a6,10 > # SunOS > # > # SunOS 5.5.1 does not provide inttypes.h; add -Isunos to CFLAGS and change > # CC and LD to gcc. Add -lsocket, -lnsl to LDFLAGS. > # 2. Magic to get timeval defined: diff /sys/src/cmd/unix/u9fs/plan9.h u9fs-new/plan9.h 5a6,9 > #ifdef sun /* sparc and __svr4__ are also defined on the offending machine */ > #define __EXTENSIONS__ 1 /* for struct timeval */ > #endif > 3. A version of inttypes.h: cat u9fs-new/sunos/inttypes.h /* inttypes.h for SunOS cuff.link.cs.cmu.edu 5.5.1 Generic_103640-29 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise */ #ifndef INTTYPES_H #define INTTYPES_H typedef char int8_t; typedef short int16_t; typedef int int32_t; typedef long long int64_t; typedef unsigned char uint8_t; typedef unsigned short uint16_t; typedef unsigned int uint32_t; typedef unsigned long long uint64_t; typedef long int intptr_t; typedef unsigned long int uintptr_t; #endif From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 03:56:42 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 03:56:42 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22481 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 03:56:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22477 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 03:56:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 03:56:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95E1A199BB; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:56:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F3B541998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA07650 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:57:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01976; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:55:06 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] cannot open /n/a:/vgainfo.txt Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:55:06 -0500 (EST) boota: and a: work (at least they exit silently) and after they run, /n/a: is properly mounted (it seemed to be mounted badly originally). The drives are AFAIK normal ones. --Joel ______________________________________________________ Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 05:11:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 05:11:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23354 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 05:11:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23350 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 05:11:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 05:11:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6246E199EE; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:11:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89D54199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB5KAA8L058930 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:10:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup09.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.24]) by kp.km.ua (kp.km.ua/8.12.6/kp-branch) with SMTP id gB5KA7sZ023407 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:10:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120522080400.00581@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0500 hi friends, sorry that I waste your time, but to whom I can ask a few questions about translating PLAN 9 OPEN SOURCE LICENSE AGREEMENT to russian? -kyxap From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 05:13:17 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 05:13:17 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23364 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 05:13:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23360 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 05:13:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 05:13:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB4DE199F2; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:13:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67DE31998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:12:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4cc43e7198b4902fc766330e3437d7ae@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:12:04 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan Cross --upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 15:11:20 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 15:11:19 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AECA1199ED; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:11:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89D54199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:10:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB5KAA8L058930 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:10:12 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup09.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.24]) by kp.km.ua (kp.km.ua/8.12.6/kp-branch) with SMTP id gB5KA7sZ023407 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:10:08 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120522080400.00581@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:08:47 -0500 hi friends, sorry that I waste your time, but to whom I can ask a few questions about translating PLAN 9 OPEN SOURCE LICENSE AGREEMENT to russian? -kyxap --upas-snzmdpqaxigvednwpuztpoatlq-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 05:29:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 05:29:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23472 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 05:29:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23468 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 05:29:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 05:29:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D0B5199ED; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:29:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2228C199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB5KS6L7013489 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:28:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <10cf944a9027ce04c24ea9a2e44ca25b@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu keyboard From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:42:51 -0500 FYI for others who may be interested: this problem was solved (thanks to presotto) by initializing the mouse port by adding a call to aux/mouse in cpurc. I have my machines connected through a KVM (keyboard/video/mouse) switch. The guess is that either cycling the KVM switch or random mouse activity causes the mouse port to generate stray chars which confuse the keyboard input. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 06:07:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 06:07:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23754 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 06:07:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23750 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 06:07:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 06:07:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0918019980; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:07:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hamnavoe (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A49A19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:06:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <582574ba979f2be0ec51fe1add8f3121@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: IP_DF bit and broken connections From: Richard Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:06:03 0000 > Some routers eat packets with size 1500 (eg. adsl from telefonica in > spain) without fragmenting or sending icmps. Too bad. > ... > With tcp, Linux has its mtu at 1500 and negotiates its mss of 1460. > The same does Plan 9, but despite this, Linux sends packets of at most > 1444 bytes when going through the router and Plan 9 sends up to 1500 > (which IMHO is legitimate)... Users of ADSL as provided by British Telecom and its resellers have been advised that "the optimum MTU setting is 1458". From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 06:09:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 06:09:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23765 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 06:09:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23761 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 06:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 06:09:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7925E1998A; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:09:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from infocom.km.ua (infocom.km.ua [195.230.134.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0919A1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:08:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from kp.km.ua (root@kp.km.ua [217.196.174.2]) by infocom.km.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/ic) with ESMTP id gB5L8H8L068449 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:08:18 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup12.kp.km.ua [217.196.174.27]) by kp.km.ua (kp.km.ua/8.12.6/kp-branch) with SMTP id gB5L8CsZ027642 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:08:13 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from plan9@kp.km.ua) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; charset="koi8-r"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_NQJODA81X2H3BVZRLZYQ" From: "Andrey S. Kukhar" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] questions about translating Plan 9 license X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20021205130452.K51740-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <20021205130452.K51740-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02120522485000.00539@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:13:35 -0500 --------------Boundary-00=_NQJODA81X2H3BVZRLZYQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: thanks for fast response (Andrey and Dave) but I want to say that I don`t need russian-speaking people. I have found a person, who can translate PLAN 9 OPEN SOURCE LICENSE AGREEMENT, but when she (this person) work on translation licenses, as a rule, she appears questions to author (developer) this license, in respect of special term and miscellaneous in particular. In this instance to whom she will be able to address from Lucent Technologies with similar questions? 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I concur with those who believe that having as few > > variations as possible from a small set of fundamental "Open Source" > > licences is good for the community in general and bad for lawyers, > > so in my opinion this particular licence should explicitly model > > itself on the BSD one. > > The point of this was NOT to reopen haggling over licensing. > Bell Labs has been using that boilerplate since before the term > "open source" existed. It's not like the wording was written from > scratch yesterday. > > Please please PLEASE don't continue this thread. We'll all just > have filled mailboxes and nothing useful to show for it. That's funny since you're the one who opened with a jab... -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 08:20:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 08:20:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24782 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 08:20:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24778 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 08:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 08:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F02119A00; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:20:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E122C19A1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 18:19:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gB5NJEgp027750 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:15 -0700 Received: (qmail 32702 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 Received: (qmail 11185 invoked by uid 3499); 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release In-Reply-To: <14ddda316a23859e87ebf64703dfb813@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 16:19:14 -0700 (MST) russ, thanks for this. Our plan is to include this server in our v9fs source tree, and to create an updated v9fs which will talk 9p2000 so that we can use your server. It's great to see you folks releasing software this way. Please tell the folks at Lucent Legal that DOE will make use of your software in its computing facilities, if that helps with any other license issues. Thanks again ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 13:19:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 13:19:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1867 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 13:19:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1863 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 13:19:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 13:19:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 791BA19A55; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:19:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DB13E19A4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:18:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13371 invoked by uid 991); 6 Dec 2002 04:18:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20021206041809.13370.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Scott Schwartz Subject: [9fans] testing and p9fmt Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 23:18:09 -0500 This message is testing a change to our mailing list software. But as long as you're listening, the p9fmt library that Russ mentioned recently needs a tweak to compile on Solaris. In strtod.c #ifdef __sun #include #define nan(x) quiet_nan(0) #endif In Makefile, CFLAGS=-xO5 -xipo=1 LDLIBS=/opt/SUNWspro/lib/libsunmath.so LDFLAGS=-R/opt/SUNWspro/lib [The -xipo flag turns on optimization in the linker, which is more Plan 9-like. :)] From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 13:50:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 13:50:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2870 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 13:50:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2812 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 13:49:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 13:49:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0B3819A02; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:49:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E273F19A4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 23:48:47 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.231.69 ([141.154.231.69]) by plan9; Thu Dec 5 23:48:46 EST 2002 Message-ID: <6bb8da20ac2ae249d4af55bea2d5e7b0@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] testing and p9fmt From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:48:54 -0500 There are a few other things to be aware of. First, fmtdef.h says typedef unsigned long uvlong; which should be typedef unsigned long long uvlong; on systems that support it. As for nan, I believe that this static uvlong uvnan = 0x7FF0000000000001; double nan(double *d) { USED(d); return *(double*)&uvnan; } will work on systems that need it, as long as they use 64-bit doubles. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 14:26:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 14:26:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4211 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 14:26:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4205 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 14:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 14:26:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1B1B19A5F; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:26:05 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 196A619A5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BF037 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D1B4275; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:25:46 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] testing and p9fmt Message-ID: <20021206052546.GA19018@mero.morphisms.net> References: <6bb8da20ac2ae249d4af55bea2d5e7b0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6bb8da20ac2ae249d4af55bea2d5e7b0@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 11:48:54PM -0500, Russ Cox wrote: > There are a few other things to be aware of. You also want to define _POSIX_SOURCE (e.g. by using -posix on FreeBSD) or remove the ushort and uint typedefs on BSD. -WJ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 17:36:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 17:36:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11333 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 17:36:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11329 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 17:36:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 17:36:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B198B19A29; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:36:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52B7219A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:35:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB68ZUL7022038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:35:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <408203ed27da400ea3c445b1783b6fb2@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] One last check of steps for bootstrapping fs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:50:09 -0500 Are these the right steps? 1. build floppy with 9pcfs kernel/plan9.ini - Done -- Because I'm not upgrading from 3rd ed, I didn't uncomment the authdisable flag. <<<< IS THIS CORRECT? 2. boot fs - configure fs, including reaming main and other. - do "passwd" for bootes - do "users default" 3. mount new fs from cpu/auth+kfs. copy /dist contents over. 4. check /rc/bin/cpurc /rc/bin/termrc and /lib/ndb/local for consistency now that we have an fs (I'm not sure what I need to be looking for here but maybe it is obvious when I get to it --- obviously turning kfs off is one). 5. restart fs - do the config exactly as before but without reaming <<<< IS THIS CORRECT? - newuser fst, etc. etc. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 17:46:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 17:46:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11581 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 17:46:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11577 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 17:46:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 17:46:16 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20A8D19A4A; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:46:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BD8719A2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:45:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8ae2d39b36508ece093fd11facc5bc43@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] One last check of steps for bootstrapping fs From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:45:12 -0800 That sounds mostly right. Don't worry about authdisable. If you need to use it (and I've never used it yet), it's now a file server console command, so you can turn auth on and off at will. I think in step 3, you want to copy /adm over and then type "users" on the file server console. You may need to type "allow" on either file server beforehand and "disallow" after; just try the plain copy first and see. I'm not sure that step 5 is needed, but just to clarify, "ream" and "recover" (and a few other config commands, like "copyworm") are one-time commands, not configuration state. They are not remembered. So you don't need to change your configuration just to avoid a second reaming. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 18:23:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 18:23:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12336 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 18:23:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12325 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 18:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 18:23:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25F3C19A6E; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:23:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 404BD19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB69MLL7012333 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:22:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] One last check of steps for bootstrapping fs From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 01:37:04 -0500 Excellent information. I certainly was confused about the distinction between one-time commands and config states. Thanks. > That sounds mostly right. Don't worry about authdisable. If you need > to use it (and I've never used it yet), it's now a file server console > command, so you can turn auth on and off at will. I think in step 3, > you want to copy /adm over and then type "users" on the file server > console. You may need to type "allow" on either file server > beforehand and "disallow" after; just try the plain copy first and > see. > > I'm not sure that step 5 is needed, but just to clarify, "ream" and > "recover" (and a few other config commands, like "copyworm") are > one-time commands, not configuration state. They are not remembered. > So you don't need to change your configuration just to avoid a second > reaming. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 20:12:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 20:12:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14207 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 20:12:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14203 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 20:12:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 20:12:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3245019A29; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:12:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF6E6199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:11:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6BBgL7003557 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:11:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <94494b461e64d79fd30fc98bd548da3d@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] fs SCSI errors Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:26:25 -0500 After giving the the initial config somewhere in the initialization the following messages appear in a continous loop: scsi#0.0: retry 10 cmd #25 wreninit: w0 bad status -0004 scsi#0.0: test, status -4 I get that something is wrong with the first scsi disk. Any ideas what the problem is and what causes this? FYI, w0 drive is a 9.1GB Seagate Cheetah. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 20:28:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 20:28:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14540 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 20:28:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14536 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 20:28:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 20:28:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67B7C19A27; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:28:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7D9F1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:27:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ad1996b72f8692f8f4a3b1c114fff8f@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs SCSI errors From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 03:26:59 -0800 What's the configuration of your file server, in particular the filsys declarations? What SCSI devices are at which target numbers? Are they all turned on and spun up? Is your SCSI bus (or buses) terminated correctly? Has the disk in question been used successfully on any machine before? recently? Which SCSI host adapter are you using? Has it been used successfully before? Does your SCSI BIOS spin up all the drives (it's an option in the BIOS)? If you're using a Mylex (Buslogic) host adapter, you can type control-B when its BIOS runs at boot-time, and from there scan your SCSI bus to see what the controller thinks is there, and you can interrogate the devices a little too. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 22:13:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 22:13:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16164 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 22:13:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16160 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 22:13:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A182199B6; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:13:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail01.cna.ne.jp (d61-196-127-002.cna.ne.jp [61.196.127.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A88B7199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:12:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4695 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 22:12:00 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO may.localnet) ([61.196.124.126]) (envelope-sender ) by mail01 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 6 Dec 2002 22:12:00 +0900 Message-ID: <4f28ab3319fe5b81c168b9fb6b42328e@cna.ne.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: pwfmfx@cna.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:12:08 +0900 Oh, sorry. Here's one. /* bind in the default network and cs */ static int bindnetcs(void) { int srvfd; if(access("/net/tcp", AEXIST) < 0) bind("#I", "/net", MBEFORE); if(access("/net/cs", AEXIST) < 0){ if((srvfd = open("#s/cs", ORDWR)) < 0) return -1; if(mount(srvfd, -1, "/net", MBEFORE, "") < 0){ close(srvfd); return -1; } close(srvfd); } return 0; } I've changed it to close srvfd when mount succeeds. Thanks. -- Mamoru Sato From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 6 23:21:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 23:21:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17011 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2002 23:21:17 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17007 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 23:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 23:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 726A9199E8; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:21:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2FC9D1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.130.19]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 23:19:57 JST 2002 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Subject: [9fans] getfields() Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:19:56 +0900 Hello, Is the following is a specification or bug? #include #include void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *args[2]; char *line; line = "##alice###bob###"; getfields(line, args, 2, 1, "#"); print("%s,%s\n", args[0], args[1]); } The output is: alice,bob### Kenji Arisawa From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 01:08:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 01:08:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18242 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 01:08:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18238 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:08:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:08:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 221AF199BF; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:08:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE49919988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 11:07:28 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.230.24 ([141.154.230.24]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 11:07:26 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:07:27 -0500 > I've changed it to close srvfd when mount succeeds. Confusingly, mount does that for you. From bind(2): The file descriptor fd is automatically closed by a success- ful mount call. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 01:36:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 01:36:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18432 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 01:36:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18428 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B688019981; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:36:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F0800199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:35:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:35:04 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3072350095; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:35:02 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3072350095@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3072350095-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 100BaseT PCMCIA ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:33:48 +0000 Hi, There was talk of a port of the 3Com 3c547 10/100 Mbps Ether card, I think it was linked to the cardbus (rather than PCMCIA) driver release. Did the 3c547 driver ever appear? Alternatively is there another 100BaseT PCMCIA supported? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 01:57:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 01:57:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18591 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 01:57:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18587 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 01:57:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 01:57:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94F4119A0D; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:57:15 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A858D19A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:55:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB6Gx7t03995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:59:07 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/Mixed; BOUNDARY="571241096-2048503275-1039193848=:3978" Content-ID: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:59:07 -0500 (EST) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --571241096-2048503275-1039193848=:3978 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: In the event you don't already have one you like ... 1.2w /lib/face/48x48x4/j/j.1 !echo 'ssz.com/unknown j/j.1' >> /lib/face/48x48x4/.dict I knew I'ld be able to contribute to the community somehow. Sam > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > > > > It strikes me as being very close, at least in intent, to the BSD > > > licence. I concur with those who believe that having as few > > > variations as possible from a small set of fundamental "Open Source" > > > licences is good for the community in general and bad for lawyers, > > > so in my opinion this particular licence should explicitly model > > > itself on the BSD one. > > > > The point of this was NOT to reopen haggling over licensing. > > Bell Labs has been using that boilerplate since before the term > > "open source" existed. It's not like the wording was written from > > scratch yesterday. > > > > Please please PLEASE don't continue this thread. 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From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:32:34 -0500 > Excellent information. I certainly was confused about > the distinction between one-time commands and config states. Speaking of this.... Someone over in Japan changed the fileserver kernel to have a ``noneattach'' command similar to that in KFS a few months ago. Any chance we can get a similar thing put into the mainline fileserver kernel? That'd be swell. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 02:45:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 02:45:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19019 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 02:45:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19015 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 02:45:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 02:45:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07240199EE; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:45:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D91E1199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:44:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <06b0efc5b992d3c28581a18eb09a9196@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: arisawa@ar.aichi-u.ac.jp, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] getfields() MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:44:29 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think its a 'lack of a specification' bug. I would find it surprising if I hadn't seen the code and just read the man page. If I can't figure out a reasonable way to explain it in the man page, I'll change the code. --upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 09:21:16 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Dec 6 09:21:15 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A536199E3; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:21:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp (ar.aichi-u.ac.jp [202.250.160.40]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2FC9D1999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:20:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ar.aichi-u.ac.jp ([61.211.130.19]) by ar; Fri Dec 6 23:19:57 JST 2002 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Kenji Arisawa To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) Subject: [9fans] getfields() Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 23:19:56 +0900 Hello, Is the following is a specification or bug? #include #include void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char *args[2]; char *line; line = "##alice###bob###"; getfields(line, args, 2, 1, "#"); print("%s,%s\n", args[0], args[1]); } The output is: alice,bob### Kenji Arisawa --upas-yzpfhoxrpvbhvktffnwafurrfh-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 04:14:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 04:14:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19748 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 04:14:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19744 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 04:14:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 04:14:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAF3F19A1C; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:14:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8973C199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gB6JDTL7022056 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:13:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9b8fa8604ef5f9faaa7cf457a5483f2d@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs SCSI errors From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:28:10 -0500 Thanks to your questions and a little more sleep, it occured to me that this system has two SCSI controllers. The onboard one is an Adaptec AIC-7880 and the second (in a PCI slot) is a combo board with a Symbios 53C875. The kernel detected the second one and I assumed that was the first controller. The disks are on the Adaptec 7880 controller for which there are no drivers. I will switch to the second controller and see if I have better luck with w8 and w9. > What's the configuration of your file server, in particular the filsys > declarations? What SCSI devices are at which target numbers? Are > they all turned on and spun up? Is your SCSI bus (or buses) > terminated correctly? Has the disk in question been used successfully > on any machine before? recently? Which SCSI host adapter are you > using? Has it been used successfully before? Does your SCSI BIOS > spin up all the drives (it's an option in the BIOS)? filsys main cw0f{h0h1} # only one IDE controller filsys dump o filsys other w1 The drives have SCSI ID 0 and 1 (both are Seagate ST39103LW) I hear them spin up. I've also used the SCSI utilities (Adaptec AIC-78xx SCSISelect utility) to format and verify the media. They were both known working just before I formatted them (RH/Linux on one and Win98/dos on the other). All cables and the terminator seem secure. There are two SCSI controllers one is built into the motherboard and the other is in a PCI slot. <...revelation, or perhaps duh...> > > If you're using a Mylex (Buslogic) host adapter, you can type > control-B when its BIOS runs at boot-time, and from there scan your > SCSI bus to see what the controller thinks is there, and you can > interrogate the devices a little too. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 09:30:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 09:30:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22855 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 09:30:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22851 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 09:30:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 09:30:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2AB49199D7; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:30:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FA4E199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 19:29:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47b95ac768dea5763633b96399f9feea@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs re-release From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:29:00 -0800 I find rules such as this in my pipeto file handy for filtering noise: upas/filter -h $1 $2 \ '(^|\n)From:.*[^a-z]turkey@gobblers\.r\.us($|[>, ])' /dev/null \ [...] From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 7 17:54:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 7 17:54:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30825 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2002 17:54:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30821 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 17:54:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 17:54:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3CE119A02; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:54:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail01.cna.ne.jp (d61-196-127-002.cna.ne.jp [61.196.127.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 832BF1998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 03:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11710 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 17:53:49 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO may.localnet) ([61.196.124.49]) (envelope-sender ) by mail01 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 7 Dec 2002 17:53:49 +0900 Message-ID: <618b1e52e53645400543f942778c4a86@cna.ne.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum problem fix From: pwfmfx@cna.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:53:55 +0900 > The file descriptor fd is automatically closed by a success- > ful mount call. Oh! I didn't notice that. I should have read documents more carefully... Excuse me for wasting time.;-) -- Mamoru Sato From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 8 00:40:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 8 00:40:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2599 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2002 00:40:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2595 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 00:40:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 00:40:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25CA019A06; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:40:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDD30199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:39:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB7FgNt05921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:42:25 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] terminal crash Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:42:23 -0500 (EST) I just had my terminal crash. I was running acme, vncv, and vt in a terminal window. vncv was in focus and I was in deep thought while moving the mouse back and forth over an X window causing twm to make it come in-focus, then out (don't ask - we all have our methods). Here's the panic: cpu0: registers for vncv 4331 FLAGS=10286 TRAP=E ECODE=0 PC=80178AA2 SS=0008 USP=80BA2018 AX 00000007 BX 00000003 CX 00000000 DX 00000000 SI 806D86E8 DI 806D8640 BP 00000013 CS 0010 DS 0008 ED 0008 FS 001B GS 001B CR0 80010039 CR2 00000043 CR3 02781000 CR4 000000D0 MCA 00000000 MCT 00000000 ur 806D85B4 up 8027F768 panic: fault: 0x43 I still have the ktrace on the screen and would be happy to do the copy to paper, paper to new terminal if it's helpful. I'll probably reboot it in about ten minutes if no one claims it's useful. Cheers, sam From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 07:55:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 07:55:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25477 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 07:55:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25473 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 07:55:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 07:55:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA5A519AA3; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:55:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.monitorbm.co.nz (www.monitorbm.co.nz [203.167.201.38]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B2C0F19AA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29103 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 22:54:13 -0000 Received: from mercury.mbmnz.co.nz (HELO MERCURY) (192.168.0.63) by mail.monitorbm.co.nz with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 22:54:13 -0000 From: "Andrew Simmons" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3DF4847E.13576.1027AB0B@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: [9fans] Thinkpad 380xd installation Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:54:38 +1300 I just installed the 4th edition on an IBM Thinkpad 380xd. Generally it was vastly easier than installing Windows 95 on the same machine - congratulations & thanks to whoever is responsible for the installation process. I got a bit confused at the end, when booting using the win9x startup menu option. Basically I couldn't find any trace of a plan9.ini, and the machine came up in 640x480x8 video mode and couldn't find the mouse on com port 1. Eventually I created a plan9.ini in c:\plan9, using the plan9ini.bak from the install process as a basis, and this seems to work fine. Is this the way things are supposed to happen, or did I cock something up during the installation? I'd also appreciate any guidance on configuring the system to see my Ethernet card - all I know is that it's an IBM Etherjet PCMCIA card. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 08:09:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 08:09:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25574 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 08:09:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25570 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 08:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 08:09:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 010DC19AA8; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:09:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8843019AA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 8 18:08:36 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.235.224 ([141.154.235.224]) by plan9; Sun Dec 8 18:08:35 EST 2002 Message-ID: <34ffa44dbca09847f577039e72cd3e67@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Thinkpad 380xd installation From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:08:33 -0500 > using the win9x startup menu option. Basically I couldn't find any > trace of a plan9.ini, and the machine came up in 640x480x8 video mode > and couldn't find the mouse on com port 1. Eventually I created a > plan9.ini in c:\plan9, using the plan9ini.bak from the install > process as a basis, and this seems to work fine. Is this the way > things are supposed to happen, or did I cock something up during the > installation? This is what's supposed to happen, though I admit it's not particularly well documented. Plan9.ini is created in 9fat (which you can't get at from Win9x), but if there's one in c:\plan9 it overrides the one in 9fat. Plan9ini.bak is intended for exactly that purpose. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 16:52:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 16:52:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9637 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 16:52:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9632 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 16:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 16:52:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7214D19AB6; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:52:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2544919991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 02:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3016 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 07:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 07:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 07:51:52 -0000 Received: from p9t by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id gB97ppv31394; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:51:52 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:51:47 +0900 > Thanks for srvssh. What is srvssh? How does it differ from `execnet and ssh'? I wasn't able to find srvssh on /n/sources. Thank you. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 9 17:10:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 9 17:10:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10240 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2002 17:10:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10236 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 17:10:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 17:10:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E575419991; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:10:07 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AB3819AA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 9 03:09:38 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.235.224 ([141.154.235.224]) by plan9; Mon Dec 9 03:09:37 EST 2002 Message-ID: <390212623d2d48ae65cfa727a916ef3c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] u9fs From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 03:09:33 -0500 > What is srvssh? How does it differ from `execnet and ssh'? > I wasn't able to find srvssh on /n/sources. Srvssh serves the same purpose as execnet and ssh. Instead of using execnet, it uses the new -e flag to srv. It also hides a lot of the grime involved. You don't have to set up the script on the other side. It's a shell script -- /rc/bin/srvssh. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 10 04:04:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 10 04:04:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 20298 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2002 04:04:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20294 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 04:04:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 04:04:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4469319991; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C63AE19AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gB9J3UPq002376 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:03:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <282fce2b59adf2cde0de387d185c6515@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Wahoo!!! -- thanks guys Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 11:17:21 -0500 I am now running with a full fledged fileserver and cpu+auth. It has been running for over a day now and It is great. I can see the advantages already. Thank you all, for all your first-rate help. A few interesting things: 1. Attaching a mouse on the fs console is not a good idea. I don't know why but when I first booted fs (before I got smart enough and disconnected the mice from the cpu and fs) the keyboard input went dead; fortunately it was very early in the configuration and no problem with pressing reset. 2. The last part of the wiki page on building fs needs updating/clean up especially the part on how to get the initial root setup. I'll update that wiki page over the next day or so. It seems it was edited by several people and the information doesn't flow correctly. The actual steps are easy. I would recommend using mkfs+mkext for this step. Nemo hints at this in forsyth's notes on 3e→4e migration. 3. An advice to others that want to do this: don't schedule a surgery the same week you are building an cpu/auth+fs. The rest of this message is for those who enjoy commiserating, or just schadenfreude: I spent most of my time fighting hardware issues, most of it dealing with scsi cables once I switched over to the unused controller. The reason for switching to the second controller (Symbios 53c875) was because the first controller (Adaptec 7880) is not supported. Adding to the problem was a 20 mile round trip plus a ferry ride each way, to the parts store; The first cable was too short because the orientation of the connector was off by 180°. Then there was a bent scsi connector pin which caused one drive not to show, and finally a bad ethernet card. But that still doesn't explain why it would take a week to do this. Well, you see, my wife had to have shoulder surgery earlier in the week. It was scheduled, and I had been warned not to plan on doing anything else for a few weeks, as I would essentially be a man servant. So there you have it. Special thanks to Geoff, Dave and Russ. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 10:03:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 10:03:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22815 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 10:03:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22810 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 10:03:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 10:03:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B671619AFD; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:03:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from littlegreenmen.armory.com (littlegreenmen.armory.com [192.122.209.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2A9BF19A54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:02:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 196 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 2002 01:59:09 -0000 From: Phil White To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cash back refinances Message-ID: <20021211015909.GA192@littlegreenmen.armory.com> References: <028a41d35d0d$4387c6b6$8ee68db4@ylbxci> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <028a41d35d0d$4387c6b6$8ee68db4@ylbxci> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 17:59:09 -0800 I think our access times are pretty good, so I'm afraid we'll have to decline. -Phil/CERisE From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 10:17:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 10:17:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23288 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 10:17:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23283 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 10:17:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 10:17:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C00719AE4; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:17:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3149219AF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:16:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 13212 invoked by uid 991); 11 Dec 2002 01:16:38 -0000 Message-ID: <20021211011638.13211.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> From: "Scott Schwartz" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] bouncing mail Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 10 Dec 2002 20:16:38 -0500 Help me out here.... someone is forwarding 9fans to moritzk@t-email.co.uk and that address generating bounces. Whoever it is, contact me off list. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 13:10:57 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 13:10:57 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29556 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 13:10:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29514 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 13:10:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 13:10:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C227719B0B; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:10:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FA0C19B07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:09:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBB49eLC029319 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:09:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:23:26 -0500 Does anyone have any experience providing auth/fs access to terms over the internet with only a single static IP? Any advice or caveats? Thanks. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 17:38:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 17:38:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9706 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 17:38:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9702 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 17:38:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 17:38:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5081419B0F; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:38:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA6AF19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:37:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0d9a8467d01c9f02195c3b87df3b8330@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:37:14 +0100 Do you mean running both a file server and auth server with a single static IP? You could install a standalone cpu (auth) server and use the kfs listen to export its kfs as the file server. Not a real file server but might be enough for you. Do you also want your terminals to be diskless? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 18:47:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 18:47:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11329 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 18:47:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11325 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 18:47:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 18:47:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60E6E19B0E; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:47:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 900C519B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:46:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] trfs updated in sources Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:46:14 +0100 We changed it to fix a silly bug and also to translate ()&' besides white space. It seems that these days people name their mp3 files like in '01 - a nice song (you''ll enjoy it & have fun).mp3' ugh. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 18:59:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 18:59:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11515 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 18:59:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11510 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 18:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 18:59:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5275E19B0E; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:59:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70AAE19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 04:58:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18M3Z3-0002JB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:54:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] sshnet usage? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:52:52 GMT Is there a way to use sshnet as a tunel between two networks? My understanding from the man page is that it can forward packets but all I've been able to do is establish a connection with one machine. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 19:58:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 19:58:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12546 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 19:58:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12542 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 19:58:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 19:58:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E209019B10; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:58:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1D6F19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 05:57:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBAvBK0022062 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 02:57:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 03:11:34 -0500 > Do you mean running both a file server and auth server with > a single static IP? Sort of. I pay my DSL provider an extra charge to get the same IP address every time I connect to them (PPPoE). I have a NAT/firewall box that is the gateway and routes some configured ports on the external (static) IP address to the (internal) auth+cpu server. > > You could install a standalone cpu (auth) server and use the kfs listen > to export its kfs as the file server. Not a real file server but > might be enough for you. Do you also want your terminals to be > diskless? I would prefer not to run a local kfs at "term" locations. I would like to work on the same system with a couple of associates who do their work from remote locations. What about using drawterm? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 20:18:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 20:18:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12820 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 20:18:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12816 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 20:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 20:18:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1553919B0D; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:18:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7937219AC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 06:17:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:17:27 +0100 You could use drawterm, but I'd try first to get real terminals working. However, I don't know if anyone has tried the same setting you want to get. I think that time ago terminals couldn't boot from a remote kfs, I don't know if that's still the case (you could just try). But you could always put enough at your terminals to get the system up and them mount / from the remote kfs, which would be almost like booting from it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 23:00:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 23:00:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15058 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 23:00:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15054 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 23:00:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 23:00:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F34DD19B18; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:00:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6688119B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 08:59:32 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.217 ([141.154.232.217]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 08:59:31 EST 2002 Message-ID: <21317b9382d83885fbd6edd9f9d885d7@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:59:33 -0500 If you're talking about booting from kfs (rather than a real fs, in which case IL will cause problems), it's not hard. You can't fetch the kernel over the wide-area network, but that's the only problem. If you have the kernel on a floppy and put the auth and fs info into plan9.ini, that's enough to get going. I've done this for booting terminals from a standalone kfs/auth across campus and it worked reasonably well. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 11 23:01:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 11 23:01:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15086 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2002 23:01:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15082 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 23:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 23:01:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3378619B16; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:01:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66E6819B11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 09:00:39 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.232.217 ([141.154.232.217]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 09:00:38 EST 2002 Message-ID: <49dc1bf3de93e43ffcbcf9613d18d7fb@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:00:44 -0500 > Is there a way to use sshnet as a tunel between two networks? How exactly do you want this tunnel to behave? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 00:03:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 00:03:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15887 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 00:03:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15883 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 00:03:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 00:03:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C26719B10; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:03:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C670919B1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18M8AX-0000Tw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:49:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: <49dc1bf3de93e43ffcbcf9613d18d7fb@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:47:12 GMT >> Is there a way to use sshnet as a tunel between two networks? > How exactly do you want this tunnel to behave? I can currently reach another network via two ssh hops. Meaning that any files I need transfered between the machines on either end of the connections currently have to be transfered by making two scp hops. This is a problem as the middle machine doesn't have much disk space. So ideally I would like to run u9fs at one endpoint and sshnet behave as the tunnel. Am I just incorrect in my interpretation of the man page? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 00:50:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 00:50:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16643 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 00:50:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16639 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 00:50:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 00:50:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48BF819A67; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6310219A67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 10:49:42 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.241 ([18.24.6.241]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 10:49:40 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:49:41 -0500 > I can currently reach another network via two ssh hops. Meaning > that any files I need transfered between the machines on either > end of the connections currently have to be transfered by making > two scp hops. This is a problem as the middle machine doesn't have > much disk space. So ideally I would like to run u9fs at one endpoint > and sshnet behave as the tunnel. > > Am I just incorrect in my interpretation of the man page? No, I was just confused about how transparent you wanted the tunnel to be. As long as you only need the tunnel to be one way, this is easy. Basically, if you do sshnet hop1 mntgen srvssh hop2 (assuming u9fs is in your path on hop2), that posts the u9fs service in /srv/hop2, so that then running mntgen 9fs hop2 in any other window (even without the sshnet) will mount /n/hop2. (You could just create /n/hop2, or put mntgen in your profile.) If you want more than just ssh access to the network, you could adapt the following: g% cat /usr/rsc/bin/rc/mit #!/bin/rc if(test -d /net/mit){ echo 'already have /net/mit' >[1=2] exit recursion } if(test -f /srv/mit) mount /srv/mit /net.mit if not sshnet -m /net.mit -s mit ny.lcs.mit.edu if(! test -d /net.mit/tcp){ echo 'no /net.mit/tcp' >[1=2] exit network } aux/stub -d /net/mit bind /net.mit/tcp /net/mit g% This is like just running sshnet, but you end up being able to decide, on a per-call basis, which network gets used: addresses like wherever or tcp!wherever still go out on the local network, while addresses like mit!wherever go out over the sshnet tunnel. If you are using mntgen you could change the /net.mit's to /n/net.mit to avoid creating another directory in the root. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:14:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:14:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17423 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:14:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17419 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:14:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:14:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AF4819B23; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:14:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8052919AFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18MACL-0003hS-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:59:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jeff Sickel Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK References: Subject: Re: [9fans] sshnet usage? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:56:16 GMT Russ Cox wrote: > No, I was just confused about how transparent you > wanted the tunnel to be. As long as you only need the > tunnel to be one way, this is easy. > Basically, if you do > sshnet hop1 > mntgen > srvssh hop2 > (assuming u9fs is in your path on hop2), > that posts the u9fs service in /srv/hop2, > so that then running > mntgen > 9fs hop2 Thanks. This is exactly what I was wanting to do. So much more to learn... Jeff From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:16:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:16:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17470 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:16:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17466 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:16:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:16:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDCDF19AE9; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:16:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from 9srv.net (sdsl-64-32-179-35.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [64.32.179.35]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21E6619B24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:15:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8a91f6264cf5ee8aaa994d95638db50d@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:12:05 -0500 for dealing with accessing a real file server (which talks IL) over the internet (particularly through NAT boxes), can't one use a cpu server running trampoline via listen on the fs tcp ports to forward on to the fs over IL? that's assuming you can set up a cpu server at the same location as the fs, of course. but it'd also eliminate the problems with only having one ip addr, as the only one you'd need would be for the cpu server. you can give the fs some dummy addr, on 10.x or whatever. i *think* i've done this, and had it work, but that setup has been disasembled and shipped to various parts of the world, so this is from memory. my current setup allows me to use an IP per box. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:27:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:27:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17816 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:27:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17812 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:27:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:27:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D393919B2B; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:27:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C89D619B25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:26:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64e4551a1e03712257fe30129a45bdf7@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:26:10 +0100 Someone here used `import $cpu /blah' from a cpu server when he had problems connecting to the file server via il. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 02:52:47 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 02:52:47 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18024 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 02:52:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18020 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:52:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:52:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 636F019B3E; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:52:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A41219B2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18151 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBBHpgd5017205 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBBHpgf11676 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:42 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200212111751.gBBHpgf11676@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Dec 2002 12:12:05 -0500." <8a91f6264cf5ee8aaa994d95638db50d@9srv.net> References: <8a91f6264cf5ee8aaa994d95638db50d@9srv.net> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:51:42 +0100 in my case, the terminal is behind NAT, the fs, cpu and auth server are not. The terminal accesses the il-speaking fs (not for booting, just for mounting once we are up and running) via trampoline running on the cpu server (with thanks to Russ for adding -9 flag to trampoline). The terminal also accesses the auth server. I suppose you can run trampoline on auth instead of cpu server, to have ``everything'' from one machine, or, alternatively, if you want to have both an auth and a cpu server, and those on the net only see the cpu server, I suppose you can forward auth requests from cpu server to auth server (also using trampoline, on different ports -- is this even the standard set-up? I recall seeing such forwarding somewhere in the /rc/bin/service directory or so?) Axel. > for dealing with accessing a real file server (which > talks IL) over the internet (particularly through NAT > boxes), can't one use a cpu server running trampoline > via listen on the fs tcp ports to forward on to the > fs over IL? > that's assuming you can set up a cpu server at the same > location as the fs, of course. but it'd also eliminate > the problems with only having one ip addr, as the only > one you'd need would be for the cpu server. you can give > the fs some dummy addr, on 10.x or whatever. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 03:01:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 03:01:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18098 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 03:01:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18094 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 03:01:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 03:01:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23F3C19B3D; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:01:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B852319B2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:00:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBBI0CK0014433 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:00:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:14:36 -0500 > can't one use a cpu server running trampoline > via listen on the fs tcp ports to forward on to the > fs over IL? From what I can tell from reading the code (is there a man page for trampoline?) it seems uncomplicated. To be certain, the kfs service routine on the cpu+auth would trampoline the requests to il!fs. Also, (I hope this isn't sacrilege), what would be involved in effort and design to allow fs to talk over TCP? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 03:04:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 03:04:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18123 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 03:04:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18119 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 03:04:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 03:04:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E7D819B20; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:04:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F79E19B3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:03:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5803f4c94ec45536fc8b2d38f3b4ca0e@plan9.escet.urjc.es> From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:03:25 +0100 The ip stack of the file server does not include tcp, AFAIK. I'd perhaps wait for venti. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 03:06:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 03:06:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18149 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 03:06:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18145 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 03:06:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 03:06:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 177C519B46; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:06:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFFBF19B49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 13:04:59 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.241 ([18.24.6.241]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 13:04:58 EST 2002 Message-ID: <9febd63f2b14d9cec4cd1703135d0dfb@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:04:55 -0500 > Also, (I hope this isn't sacrilege), what would be involved > in effort and design to allow fs to talk over TCP? you'd have to write a tcp stack for the fs kernel. not worth it. the new file server will run as a user-space program on a normal kernel and speak tcp; then il can be retired. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 04:13:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 04:13:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18802 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 04:13:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18798 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 04:13:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 04:13:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E4C919991; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:13:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla3.xs4all.nl (mxzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 39F001998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBBJCpiZ085628 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBBJCpg74999 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:12:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021211191251.GA95863@xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 20:12:51 +0100 Hi plan9-fans, I installed plan9 on a IBM T20 Laptop last night. I'm already a fan, a great OS so far. It's a bit strange in the beginning, but once you found out it's very consistent. I already know i like it. The only thing i really miss is perl, but well seems i have to port it ;-). hoever since this is my first plan9 install i thought it's a good idea to setup a auth and cpu server (for maybe more plan9 machines following) I stuck somewhere in the middle of the wiki docu about "Configuring a standalone CPU server" I established a nvram, like described in the docu after rebooting plan9 also complains about it, but it does not ask for the password and the auth id. Any ideas ? Another thing is the wavelan support. I have a Orinoco Gold Card from Lucent. I compiled wavelan into my kernel, the kernel also detects the wavelan IF on startup, but i can't find the device. Do i have to make a device like in Linux and Solaris ? Also my /rc/bin/cpurc (i edited like the doku sais) does not seems to be read/executet, at least there is not network conectivity after startup. If i do it by hand on a term (like the example in ipconfig manpage) it works and i can ping hosts, resolve dns names. Also i would like to know how to mount a floppy disk (e.g. the install disk, to have a look at plan9.ini on there) Is there any more docu around (or maybe a good book) will help me to get settled in with plan9 ? If these questions are in the docu and i was just too stupid to find it flame me with RTFM if you like, i really tried but sorry. Thanks so far /scusi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 04:25:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 04:25:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18941 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 04:25:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18937 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 04:25:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 04:25:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 764CC199B3; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:25:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0538319981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 14:24:01 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.241 ([18.24.6.241]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 14:24:00 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:24:07 -0500 > The only thing i really miss is perl, but well seems i have to port it ;-). Perl is ported. See /n/sources/extra/perl.iso.bz2 > from Lucent. I compiled wavelan into my kernel, the kernel also detects > the wavelan IF on startup, but i can't find the device. > Do i have to make a device like in Linux and Solaris ? It should be /net/ether0 in your namespace. If not, does ls -l '#l' produce anything useful? > Also my /rc/bin/cpurc (i edited like the doku sais) does not seems > to be read/executet, at least there is not network conectivity after startup. > If i do it by hand on a term (like the example in ipconfig manpage) > it works and i can ping hosts, resolve dns names. Perhaps you are booting a terminal kernel (which uses /rc/bin/termrc)? > Also i would like to know how to mount a floppy disk (e.g. the install disk, > to have a look at plan9.ini on there) a: ls -l /n/a: > Is there any more docu around (or maybe a good book) will help me to get settled in > with plan9 ? The wiki is supposed to be the source for such things, though it's necessarily incomplete. I don't think there are any books. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 09:17:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 09:17:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22249 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 09:17:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22244 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 09:17:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 09:17:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7690619995; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:17:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from collyer.net (adsl-63-192-14-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75A8519991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:16:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8d3c9c51edaabf726e415e3dd5ca04a1@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting term kernel over the net From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:16:50 -0800 I believe Skip's problem is that he's got 001 IP addresses from his DSL provider, and that's needed for his DSL router or bridge that is also doing NAT. NAT implementations generally don't understand IL, but most of them allow incoming calls to specific ports to be forwarded to specified internal machines. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 11:36:41 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 11:36:41 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28102 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 11:36:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28098 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:36:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77E301998A; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:36:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.monitorbm.co.nz (mail.monitorbm.co.nz [203.167.201.38]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B6AC9199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24212 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 02:35:15 -0000 Received: from mercury.mbmnz.co.nz (HELO MERCURY) (192.168.0.63) by mail.monitorbm.co.nz with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:35:15 -0000 From: "Andrew Simmons" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:35:39 +1300 > I don't think there are any books. There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. K=FChl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 11:53:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 11:53:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28652 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 11:53:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28648 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:53:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:53:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4D711998C; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:53:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id EF63A19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4311 invoked by uid 18927); 12 Dec 2002 02:46:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 02:46:26 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions In-Reply-To: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> Message-ID: <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should become a book :) though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they were looking for): =09http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~nemo/9.ps.gz (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me for posting it)... now drifting offtopic: i don't know about KommandoInterpreter, but when i was a kid i thought that command.com was some sort of a game featuring arnold schwarzenegger (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0088944) On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Andrew Simmons wrote: > > I don't think there are any books. > > There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: > > "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. > Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. K=FChl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 > > which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 11:58:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 11:58:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28820 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 11:58:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28816 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 11:58:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 11:58:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F125B199BB; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:58:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.166]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB519199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02756 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021212055735.A2709@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Subject: [9fans] passtokey question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 I'm quite new to the world of auth related algorithms, so my question might be a FAQish one, but nevertheless, here it is anyway. Why passtokey works the way it does. I suppose there were some security related considerations, by I can't seem to grasp, why, for example, this is being done: for(i = 0; i < DESKEYLEN; i++) key[i] = (t[i] >> i) + (t[i+1] << (8 - (i+1))); where you kinda shuffle bytes around, but why ? Just to stuff 8 bytes from t into 7 bytes of key ? On the similar note, why did you chose to re-encode parts of t with a previous key, and not some other way of stuffing long passwords into 7bytes long DES key ? Thanks, Roman. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 12:26:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 12:26:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 30146 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 12:26:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30142 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 12:26:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 12:26:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87BFC199BF; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:26:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B139199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:25:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f12e91dbc4ee6c9cd5b2bf33429ac06@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:25:26 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original passtokey took a (at most) 8 byte key and turned it into a 56 bit DES key. The easiest way to do it was to throw out the high order bit since it conveyed no information in ASCII, a 7 bit encodeing. It survived our excursion into UTF encoding mostly by inertia and a desire not to retype everyone's keys into the auth server should we do something else, like take 56 bits of the sha1 encoding of the key + a salt. --upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 21:58:17 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Wed Dec 11 21:58:16 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0664E199B6; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:58:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.166]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB519199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 21:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02756 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021212055735.A2709@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Subject: [9fans] passtokey question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:57:35 +0300 I'm quite new to the world of auth related algorithms, so my question might be a FAQish one, but nevertheless, here it is anyway. Why passtokey works the way it does. I suppose there were some security related considerations, by I can't seem to grasp, why, for example, this is being done: for(i = 0; i < DESKEYLEN; i++) key[i] = (t[i] >> i) + (t[i+1] << (8 - (i+1))); where you kinda shuffle bytes around, but why ? Just to stuff 8 bytes from t into 7 bytes of key ? On the similar note, why did you chose to re-encode parts of t with a previous key, and not some other way of stuffing long passwords into 7bytes long DES key ? Thanks, Roman. --upas-bgjhrqrilyrkhtkryzdxedzmdg-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 14:15:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 14:15:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1352 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 14:15:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1348 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 14:15:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 14:15:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D762219999; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:15:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from unicorn.math.spbu.ru (unicorn.math.spbu.ru [195.19.226.166]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9728419981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 00:14:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from vugluskr@localhost) by unicorn.math.spbu.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA03322 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:14:39 +0300 From: "Roman V. Shaposhnick" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question Message-ID: <20021212081439.A3309@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> References: <6f12e91dbc4ee6c9cd5b2bf33429ac06@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <6f12e91dbc4ee6c9cd5b2bf33429ac06@plan9.bell-labs.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:14:39 +0300 On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 10:25:26PM -0500, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > The original passtokey took a (at most) 8 byte key and turned it into > a 56 bit DES key. The easiest way to do it was to throw out the > high order bit since it conveyed no information in ASCII, a 7 bit > encodeing. It survived our excursion into UTF encoding mostly > by inertia and a desire not to retype everyone's keys into the > auth server should we do something else, like take 56 bits of the > sha1 encoding of the key + a salt. Thanks. That explains the first part very nicely, but what about the second part, where you're using key built-so-far to econde the rest of the given password over and over again ? Is there something special about this approach, or is it there by a mere chance ? Thanks, Roman. P.S. Pardon my ignorance, but do you know about any other softwre that has something similat to passtokey ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 16:22:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 16:22:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5349 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 16:22:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5345 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 16:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 16:22:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D56F4199A3; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:22:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.145]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB25019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021212072147.GUXA2889.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:21:47 +1300 Received: from [210.54.117.36] by mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20021212072147.VHAP6714.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@[210.54.117.36]> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:21:47 +1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Subject: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: "Andrew Simmons" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021212072147.VHAP6714.mta5-rme.xtra.co.nz@[210.54.117.36]> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:20:29 +1300 Oh dear, I'm afraid it's only just occurred to me that Scusi was trolling. Perhaps I should send a platoon of Kommandointerpreters to have a word with him/her. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 17:35:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 17:35:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7737 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 17:35:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7732 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 17:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 17:35:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 931DE199BC; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0679619981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 03:34:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0ecda395045b27db86faba0fb215e171@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:34:36 +0100 > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > were looking for): It's still in my to-do list to update it and add something about plumbing and one of the drivers. But that wont be before the next semester. Regarding publication, AWL said there's no market for it. Then I tried peer-to-peer (the publisher of Lion's book), but they are no longer in the business. If any of you have a suggestion for a different publisher, just let me know. > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > for posting it)... And of course, feel free to pass it around, make copies or whatever. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 18:17:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 18:17:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8603 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 18:17:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8599 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 18:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 18:17:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37C11199A3; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:17:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3278119981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3627984449; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3627984449@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3627984449-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 3 machine / local & wan functionality Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:33 +0000 Hi, I am considering a full (3 machine) Plan9 system at home, using an fs, a cpu/auth server and a terminal. I also want to be able to be able to dual boot the terminal into NT (for my other half) and to access the FS from work. I am planning configure the cpu server as a gateway (with two ether cards) and put a "trampoline" between /alt.net and /net for http (NT used only for web browsing). To access from work I would boot from a floppy (as described on the list) and then mount the fs across the Internet. Is this a sane idea? Is this enough to give me the functionality I want without being too vulnerable to being "hacked to death"? -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 18:50:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 18:50:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9209 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 18:50:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9205 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 18:50:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 18:50:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BAF3199BF; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:50:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C216F199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:49:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 3 machine / local & wan functionality From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:49:16 +0100 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds reasonable. Anyway, we here run without /alt.net, so we have no need for a `trampoline'. If you can't get different real ip addresses things can be different for you, though. --upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Thu Dec 12 10:17:22 MET 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37C11199A3; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:17:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3278119981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 04:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 3627984449; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:16:19 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <3627984449@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <3627984449-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 3 machine / local & wan functionality Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:14:33 +0000 Hi, I am considering a full (3 machine) Plan9 system at home, using an fs, a cpu/auth server and a terminal. I also want to be able to be able to dual boot the terminal into NT (for my other half) and to access the FS from work. I am planning configure the cpu server as a gateway (with two ether cards) and put a "trampoline" between /alt.net and /net for http (NT used only for web browsing). To access from work I would boot from a floppy (as described on the list) and then mount the fs across the Internet. Is this a sane idea? Is this enough to give me the functionality I want without being too vulnerable to being "hacked to death"? -Steve --upas-pdftsuehejhcbakjqushmreipu-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 19:14:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 19:14:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9632 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9625 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD6EE199BF; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:14:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from theraft.strakt.com (theraft.strakt.com [62.13.29.34]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4FB019999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:13:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from strakt.com (boyd@zode.strakt.com [62.13.29.39]) by theraft.strakt.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian -4) with ESMTP id gBCADsFl031843 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:54 +0100 Message-ID: <3DF86162.9000900@strakt.com> From: Boyd Roberts User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020623 Debian/1.0.0-0.woody.1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question References: <20021212055735.A2709@unicorn.math.spbu.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 11:13:54 +0100 Roman V. Shaposhnick wrote: >On the similar note, why did you chose to re-encode parts of t with >a previous key, and not some other way of stuffing long passwords >into 7bytes long DES key ? > This was probably done to reduce the the possibility that the key would be limited to typeable/printable ASCII. Any limit of the keyspace will make brute forcing easier. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 12 23:07:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 12 23:07:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13217 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2002 23:07:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13213 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 23:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 23:07:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D529B199EE; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:07:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5159199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:06:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91050fd4ead87f311095e5301b5d349d@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] passtokey question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:06:33 -0500 We needed a mixing (i.e. hash) algorithm to go from > 56 bits to 56 bits. At the time DES was the best mixing algorithm we had. It was, and still is, used in a number of pseudo random number generators so there was some precedent. If I had to do it from scratch today, I'ld probably run sha1 or mda5. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 02:21:48 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 02:21:48 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15243 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 02:21:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15239 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 02:21:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 02:21:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A64719992; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:21:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (mxzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.50]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5011C19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBCHKcCZ024067; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:20:44 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBCHKcK04338; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:20:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: Andrew Simmons Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <20021212172038.GA85462@xs4all.nl> References: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:20:38 +0100 Hi Andrew, Thanks for the info, since i can speak and read german, no prob i gonna get this book. CU /~scusi On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 03:35:39PM +1300, Andrew Simmons wrote: > > I don't think there are any books. > > There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: > > "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. > Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. K�hl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 > > which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". Yeah right a shell is a "Kommando(zeilen)interpreter" or called a "befehlszeile" in german. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 02:25:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 02:25:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15276 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 02:25:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15272 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 02:25:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 02:25:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2F971998C; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:25:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla1.xs4all.nl (mxzilla1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82764199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla1.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBCHOoW2084191; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:24:51 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBCHOoa05057; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:24:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Cc: andrey mirtchovski Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <20021212172450.GA4961@xs4all.nl> References: <3DF8ACCB.2626.20651854@localhost> <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:24:50 +0100 Hi andrey, hi *, I get a access denied if i try to get the file, seems the rights are set in a way prevent you from downloading. but i will may find another source (mirror) or so, haven't tried yet. but thanx anyway /~scusi On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 07:46:25PM -0700, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > were looking for): > > http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~nemo/9.ps.gz > > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > for posting it)... > > now drifting offtopic: i don't know about KommandoInterpreter, but > when i was a kid i thought that command.com was some sort of a game > featuring arnold schwarzenegger (http://us.imdb.com/Title?0088944) > > On Thu, 12 Dec 2002, Andrew Simmons wrote: > > > > I don't think there are any books. > > > > There's an oldish (pre-rio) book in German: > > > > "Das Netzbetriebssystem Plan 9 - Konzepte und Programmierung" by H.P. > > Bischof, G. Imeyer, B. K�hl, A.T. Schreiner , ISBN: 3-446-18881-9 > > > > which taught me that the German for "shell" is "Kommandointerpreter". > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 02:35:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 02:35:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15347 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 02:35:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15343 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 02:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3874B199ED; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:35:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mxzilla4.xs4all.nl (mxzilla4.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.48]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D083219992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 12:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.3.11]) by mxzilla4.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gBCHYa2f056709; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:34:36 +0100 (CET) Received: (from scusi@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBCHYaw06560; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:34:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from scusi) From: Scusi To: "Fco.J.Ballesteros" Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Message-ID: <20021212173436.GB4961@xs4all.nl> References: <0ecda395045b27db86faba0fb215e171@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0ecda395045b27db86faba0fb215e171@plan9.escet.urjc.es> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:34:36 +0100 Hi Nemo, actually i know a publisher, my dad. my dad has a little pubblishing company (really very little) but he can bring out books (that get an ISBN Number, so it can be ordered in most bookstores) they also have a website you can order stuff (books, cd's) from. This pubblishing business is normaly just for publications my dad other company produces, but i guess he will bring it out if i ask him. But the work (make it ready for publishing, peer review it....) has to be done by someone else. BTW / FYI: all the current stuff publiushed there is availible at: So as long a my dad has not much work with it, and he will get his costs back (e.g. for packing and sending stuff over to ppl ordered it...) it won't be a problem to publish it, also not if there is "no market", i mean the other stuff there is also just interesting for a small group of ppl. However come back to me if you are interested. CU /~scusi On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 09:34:36AM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > > become a book :) > > > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > > were looking for): > > > It's still in my to-do list to update it and add something about > plumbing and one of the drivers. But that wont be before the next > semester. > > Regarding publication, AWL said there's no market for it. Then I > tried peer-to-peer (the publisher of Lion's book), but they are no > longer in the business. If any of you have a suggestion for a > different publisher, just let me know. > > > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > > for posting it)... > > And of course, feel free to pass it around, make copies or whatever. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 05:55:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 05:55:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16780 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 05:55:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16776 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 05:55:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 05:55:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93CB519992; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:55:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.dirac.net (unknown [151.196.211.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C5F51199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 15:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27925 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Dec 2002 20:53:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20021212205339.27924.qmail@mail.dirac.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: Keith Nash Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 12 Dec 2002 20:53:39 -0000 > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > If any of you have a suggestion for a different publisher, > just let me know. I have friends who were in small-time publishing about 7 years ago. In those days, a paperback print run was 1000 minimum, with larger runs at low incremental cost. It will be a problem to sell this number of books, or anything like it, whether through mail order or via booksellers. Advertising would be futile. A different option is for contributed material to be included in the official manuals. There could be a 3rd volume of "Contributed" material, or the new stuff could be added to the "Documents" volume (which I expect would be the cheaper route). Alternatively, since the only likely purchasers are subscribers to this list, we could collect pre-orders (e.g. through Vita Nuova, or Scusi's dad's company), and only print the book if there is sufficient interest. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 11:38:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 11:38:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23657 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 11:38:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23653 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 11:38:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 11:38:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC34E199D5; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:38:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51F0C199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:37:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from acl.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gBD2bcgp025531 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:37:38 -0700 Received: (qmail 69345 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2002 19:37:38 -0700 Received: from acl.lanl.gov (dpx@128.165.147.1) by acl.lanl.gov with SMTP; 12 Dec 2002 19:37:38 -0700 From: Dean Prichard To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions In-Reply-To: <20021211193646.U609-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: dpx@lanl.gov List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:37:37 -0700 On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 19:46:25 -0700 (MST) > From: andrey mirtchovski > Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions > > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > become a book :) > > though it is now outdated (and probably at a lower level than they > were looking for): > > http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/~nemo/9.ps.gz > > (i googled the link, so i guess nobody's going to be mad at me > for posting it)... > I have to say Nemo's commentary is a great resource. I've read through it and the underlying code many times now, and i'm still learning from it. Many thanks to Nemo and all who contributed to the plan9 source. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:31:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:31:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4154 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:31:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4149 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:31:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:31:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55CEF199B6; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:31:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2203119999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:30:55 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:30:53 EST 2002 Message-ID: <1c373859cbec9c275e5d8ca2ea2bea67@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] updates on sources Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:30:50 -0500 I pushed out a few big updates this evening. * The %s and %S verbs no longer require the string to be nul-terminated if a precision is given. This is the way the old print library behaved, and it's useful when you're doing various text processing. Thanks to rog. This is not actually that big a change except that it changes every binary in the system. Sigh. Eventually the print library will stabilize. * The libmemdraw and libmemlayer libraries have been updated to handle the full suite of Porter-Duff compositing operators. Devdraw is updated too (it's a backwards-compatible change to the protocol) though draw(3) and libdraw are not yet updated. That will happen in the next few days. I'll post more then. Thanks to Vita Nuova (specifically jrf, I believe) for the code. * The kernel build process has changed a bit, mainly to make it easier to put all sorts of cruft into the root file system. Details in an email to follow. * More venti tools. Details in an email to follow. * Might as well mention that ssh supports agent forwarding. ssh -f unix will set up agent forwarding so that if you run "ssh elsewhere" on the unix machine, the RSA authentication happens via factotum. This is a few weeks old, but I never mentioned it. * I installed new kernels into /386. If you have done a recent install (so echo $bootfile says sdC0!fs!/386/9pcdisk instead of sdC0!9fat!9pcdisk.gz) then you'll boot the new kernel automatically when you reboot. Otherwise you'll need to copy it to 9fat. If you're booting striaght out of /386 and find that the new kernel doesn't work for you, edit your plan9.ini (or copy c:/plan9/plan9ini.bak to c:/plan9/plan9.ini and edit that) and change the boot file to /386/_9pcdisk.gz, which is the old kernel (and then tell us; mail 9trouble). As a reminder, pc/bootfloppy /dev/fd0disk plan9.ini can be used to make a new boot floppy. * Sources is now running the 4e file server as a field test. If you see anything strange, please let us know. As usual, if you don't want to download the changed binaries one by one, you can download a bleeding edge CD image from the updates page and use that (usually they're updated a few hours from now, but I just did a manual update, so it's there as you read this). Enjoy. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:33:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:33:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4201 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:33:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4197 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2825E199DD; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:33:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34DA9199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:32:52 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:32:51 EST 2002 Message-ID: <606456fcdc17ce997666a1895d86f9ba@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] kernel config changes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:32:49 -0500 There is a new kernel config file section called "bootdir" that lists the files to be placed in #//boot. There are no binaries in #/ itself anymore. A typical bootdir section might look like bootdir bootpcdisk.out boot /386/bin/ip/ipconfig /386/bin/auth/factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs /386/bin/cfs which says that /boot will contain four files: boot, ipconfig, factotum, kfs, and cfs, copied from the paths listed. The kernels have always special cased boot$CONF.out to get it listed as /boot. It is now /boot/boot, and no longer a special case. Now that everything is in /boot, initcode had to change for all the kernels; /boot/boot itself had to change to exec /boot/ipconfig (instead of /ipconfig), etc. Finally, auth_getkey changed. It looks for /factotum and then /boot/factotum, to deal with either type of kernel. The boot file /386/bin/ip/ipconfig (e.g.) turns into _386_bin_ip_ipconfig.root.s and then _386_bin_ip_ipconfig.root.8. It's a bit of an ugly name, but mk clean will get rid of them. You could imagine just using the last path element, but that might lead to weird build inconsistencies if kernels were using two different files with the same last element. One unfortunate consequence of the big name is that _386_bin_auth_factotum.root.s is too long for the current file servers to deal with. You could use lnfs to get around this, but I didn't want to require lnfs for the kernel build, so we have a rule in portmkfile that copies factotum and ipconfig to factotum.hack and ipconfig.hack and then the bootdir section actually looks like: bootdir bootpcdisk.out boot ipconfig.hack ipconfig factotum.hack factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs /386/bin/cfs sadly. That will go away when we get long file names. The pc initcode is also changed. Whereas before it used to do exec("/boot", ["boot", 0]); in hand-coded assembly (pc/initcode.s), it now does open("#c/cons", OREAD); open("#c/cons", OWRITE); open("#c/cons", OWRITE); bind("#c", "/dev", MAFTER); bind("#ec", "/env", MAFTER); bind("#e", "/env", MCREATE|MAFTER); bind("#s", "/srv", MREPL|MCREATE); execl("/boot/boot", "/boot/boot", 0); in C (port/initcode.c). The point is to set up enough of a namespace that /boot/boot can be a shell script. Eventually the other architectures should change too, though it's not urgent. If someone wants to do the bitsy, send me mail and I'll let you know what it took to get one of the old undistributed mips kernels changed over. (The compiler setup is similar.) As a much bigger example, I built a kernel called pcext the other night. It uses rx and trampoline to connect through a Plan 9 gateway machine to the root file server. It uses this bootdir: bootdir bootext boot /386/bin/rc /rc/lib/rcmain /386/bin/bind /386/bin/cat /386/bin/cp /386/bin/echo /386/bin/mount /386/bin/sleep factotum.hack factotum /386/bin/ip/ipconfig /386/bin/cfs /386/bin/aux/srvthru (and does require lnfs to build). Srvthru is the obvious program -- it connects to rx, authenticates, starts trampoline to the real file server, and then optionally pushes cfs onto the connection. The point is that bootext is a shell script, which makes it easier to tweak than when /boot was a binary building out of /sys/src/9/boot. #!/boot/rc -m /boot/rcmain cd /boot cp '#r/rtc' '#c/time' bind -a /boot /bin bind -a '#I' /net bind -a '#l0' /net bind -a '#S' /dev bind '#p' /proc bind '#d' /fd bind -a /boot / ipconfig echo 'authdom=cs.bell-labs.com auth=204.178.31.3' >>/net/ndb factotum -sfactotum -u -a 204.178.31.3 cargs=() if(~ $#cfs 1 && ! ~ $cfs off) cargs=(-c $cfs) srvthru $cargs tcp!204.178.31.2!17009 il!emelie!9fs boot emelie mount -c /srv/boot /root bind -ac /root / bind -c /root/mnt /mnt mount -a '#s/factotum' /mnt rootdir=/root rootspec='' /386/init -t /boot/rc -m/boot/rcmain -i # in case init fails It takes care of everything /boot traditionally does, using srvthru as the way to establish /srv/boot (and also /srv/emelie, just for kicks). Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:35:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:35:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4244 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:35:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4240 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:35:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:35:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A019199E4; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEE97199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:34:00 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 03:33:59 EST 2002 Message-ID: <843640f2f39e2d6ceb9d27b976980d20@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] more fun with venti Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:33:56 -0500 Some more utilities for managing your Venti server(s). First, venti/copy moves a whole block tree from one Venti server to another. You give it the hash for a block and it copies that block as well as all the blocks pointed at, and so on. See ventiaux(8) for the full story. For example, if you just did vac -h thisventi and got vac:b5b95f71c552bfa785c6200c5c928ffc52d41edb then you could run venti/copy thisventi thatventi b5b95f71c552bfa785c6200c5c928ffc52d41edb to move the whole tree over to thatventi. Second, the shell script /sys/src/cmd/venti/backup.example uses venti/wrarena to incrementally backup one Venti server onto another. For example, I use this variant of it to copy from my laptop's local Venti server to my desktop machine's local Venti server (which eventually gets copied onto CDs). #!/bin/rc rfork e venti=192.168.0.51 . bkup.info fn x { echo x $* y=$1 if(~ $#$y 0){ $y=0 } echo venti/wrarena -o $2 $3 $$y end=`{venti/wrarena -o $2 $3 $$y | grep '^end offset ' | sed 's/^end offset //'} if(~ $#end 1 && ! ~ $$y $end){ $y=$end whatis $y >>bkup.info } } hget http://127.1:8000/index | awk ' /^index=/ { blockSize=0+substr($3, 11); } /^arena=/ { arena=substr($1, 7); } /^ arena=/ { start=0+substr($5, 2)-blockSize; printf("x %s %d %s\n", arena, start, $3); } ' |rc It's a little rough, but good enough to run in a nightly cron job. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 17:55:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 17:55:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 4703 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 17:55:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4699 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 17:55:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 17:55:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B769D19A06; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:55:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0328199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:54:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <13617df20853ba6ca35273bac15860bb@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:54:24 +0100 > I get a access denied if i try to get the file, Can you try http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/who/nemo/9.ps.gz ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 19:14:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 19:14:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6304 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 19:14:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6300 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 19:14:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B028199EC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:14:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E074219980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 05:13:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18Mmaz-000040-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:59:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: north_ Message-ID: <48effcda.0212121400.5e77b94d@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] [7f Bugfix] Plan9 FS Realtek Driver Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:57:22 GMT Hello, all! I hope everyone is enjoying their winter as much as I am! Our small coat of snow is making for great photography, here. The following summarizes my general work on a bug that renders the realtek ethernet card unusable on the plan9 file server kernel. The bug, in the realtek driver, causes any packet read from the network to be discarded. I was finally able to run an entire plan9 network (cpu, auth, term, fs) due to the amiable donation of three workstations from Countrywide Financial. Despite this much appreciated gift, I found myself unable to run a file server due to a lack of ethernet cards (and a distrust of the realtek 8139). After reading through the fs source code, I realized that the realtek *should* work after a few quick fixes to the driver. Once these fixes were solidified in a kernel build, I have found the card to (surprisingly) be very stable over the past week. Latency is low, data corruption has not been evident, etc, so, I feel very confident that this fix will work well with anyone utilizing the realtek. Aside from normal fs usage, I (of course) had to pull the entire ISO over the network to create the initial file system. I used this as a base stress test. Large files and large clusters of small files were also shuttled back and forth to test data corruption. Normal network traffic tests show no problems, either. Thanks to all of the Bell Labs crew that gave me pointers on hardware. The bugfix can be located at: http://www.7f.no-ip.com/bugfix/7f20021203-1.tgz Don One Twenty Seven Research and Development From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 13 22:45:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 13 22:45:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9805 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9801 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B61FA19A08; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:45:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A104199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:44:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gBDDebC31561 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:40:37 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1c373859cbec9c275e5d8ca2ea2bea67@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:40:37 -0600 (CST) Hi, I've been asked to give a short (ie 1 hour) talk on Plan 9 to the Austin Robot Group in Feb. As a result I am starting to put a presentation together and was wondering what the limitations were regarding using diagrams and pieces of text in such a talk. An example is that I intend to use 'Diagram 1' from "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" early in the talk. What sort of notice is required? Would a single statement at the beginning stating that pieces of the presentation are from the Plan 9 source material be sufficient or do I need to have a tag on each such snippet? Are there any examples of other presentations that might be available for reference? If we can get the hardware resources pulled together I intend to create a demo network consisting of the following: I/O-Auth I/O 2 Process Filesystem We may drop this due to the necessary effort, the site doesn't have Internet access so we can't use the existing Hangar 18 network unfortunately. If anyone else has done anything remotely like this I'd appreciate hearing about your experience (ie things to watch out for or focus on). If I could gain access to your presentation material it would be greatly appreciated. I'd be happy to give credit where it is due. Thanks. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:12:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:12:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10691 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:12:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10687 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:12:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F2E0199B6; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:12:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1068819992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:11:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: Fco.J.Ballesteros To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:11:39 +0100 The cdrom can be used to boot from it which makes a cool demo. You don't need anything else. Of course a network would be more impressive, but you said you had no network there. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:21:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:21:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10760 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:21:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10756 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:21:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DD5A199EE; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:21:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.mightycheese.com (mail.mightycheese.com [209.61.186.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4E9B199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [66.171.61.59] (HELO [192.168.0.2]) by mail.mightycheese.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 405393 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 09:20:28 -0600 From: rob pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? Message-ID: <119346380.1039764142@[192.168.0.2]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 07:22:22 -0800 It's called Figure 1, not Diagram 1, and it's required in all Plan 9 presentations except the auth talk, in which case use Figure 1a. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:25:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:25:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10780 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10776 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:25:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32C811998C; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:25:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0755419980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14216 invoked by uid 18927); 13 Dec 2002 15:18:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 15:18:05 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021213081425.W12125-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:18:05 -0700 (MST) last time i gave a demo of plan 9 i just sat down with a laptop and showed what it was to use the system. in my experience that's much better than all the pretty powerpoint one can get... 'now this is the kernel, see how small' 'this is how a pipe works' 'binding namespaces in the same directory works like that' 'see me cpu to another machine, look at how 'stats' reacts' it is best if there are at least a cpu server or two... On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > The cdrom can be used to boot from it which makes a cool demo. > You don't need anything else. Of course a network would be more > impressive, but you said you had no network there. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:25:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:25:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10787 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10783 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:25:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:25:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6C0619A05; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:25:16 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACE1819980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021213152422.LEDY22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:24:22 +0000 Message-ID: <03fa01c2a2bb$6f312130$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:22:22 -0000 Try something from the mailing list. How about : "The Plan 9 community is so damned inbred it isn't funny, and it -will- cause Plan 9 to fail. -YOU- will cause it to fail." From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 00:53:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 00:53:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11087 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 00:53:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11083 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 00:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 00:53:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4699199EC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:53:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A80E8199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 10:52:36 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Fri Dec 13 10:52:35 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [7f Bugfix] Plan9 FS Realtek Driver From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 10:52:32 -0500 Thanks for the report. Geoff Collyer sent in a slightly different fix that works within the compat.h macros, and that fix is now on sources. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 01:33:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 01:33:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11330 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 01:33:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11326 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 01:33:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 01:33:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E705B19A06; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:33:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B445919981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 11:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from tractor.meridian.wednet.edu [164.116.190.5] by tractor.meridian.wednet.edu (SMTPD32-6.06) id A84E85E00FE; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:18:22 -0800 Received: FROM x33o50.meridian.wednet.edu BY tractor.meridian.wednet.edu ; Fri Dec 13 08:18:21 2002 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel config changes From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <606456fcdc17ce997666a1895d86f9ba@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <606456fcdc17ce997666a1895d86f9ba@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-10) Message-Id: <1039797172.1326.10.camel@x33o50> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: 13 Dec 2002 08:32:47 -0800 On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 00:32, Russ Cox wrote: > The point is that bootext is a shell script, which > makes it easier to tweak than when /boot was a > binary building out of /sys/src/9/boot. The stuff that can be accomplished in Plan 9 with shell scripts never ceases to amaze me. -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 02:38:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 02:38:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11758 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 02:38:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11754 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 02:38:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 02:38:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 325A819A06; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:38:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web21406.mail.yahoo.com (web21406.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.232.76]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 30DC3199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 12:37:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021213173710.55173.qmail@web21406.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.2.74.219] by web21406.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:37:10 GMT From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Elizabeth=20Strumph?= To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] i810 onboard graphics @ > 640x480 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 17:37:10 +0000 (GMT) Hallo, I've been using a machine w/ i810 onboard graphics (its a HP ePC, so no PCI/AGP slots). I can run happilee at 640x480x24, but nothing greater -- I just get a blank screen, which I figure means signal is out of range. However the monitor is a Sony G410 that can do 1600x1200 @ 85Hz. Any ideas ? Thanks much. --Elizabeth __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 05:04:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 05:04:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12731 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 05:04:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12727 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 05:04:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 05:04:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88D0A19992; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:04:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 929A3199B3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:03:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] i810 onboard graphics @ > 640x480 From: David Gordon Hogan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:02:59 -0500 > I've been using a machine w/ i810 onboard graphics > (its a HP ePC, so no PCI/AGP slots). I can run > happilee > at 640x480x24, but nothing greater -- I just get a > blank > screen, which I figure means signal is out of range. > However the monitor is a Sony G410 that can do > 1600x1200 @ 85Hz. Any ideas ? The aux/vga support for the i810/i815 has just enough code to drive an LCD. There is no support for changing the dot clock, which is why you can only get 640x480 mode. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 08:35:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 08:35:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14186 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 08:35:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14182 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 08:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 08:35:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AFD4199B3; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail3.panix.com (mail3.panix.com [166.84.1.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80418199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:33:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-220-251-64.midmaine.com (216-220-251-64.midmaine.com [216.220.251.64]) by mail3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4C898193 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:33:40 -0500 (EST) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: markp@panix.com (mark powers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021213233340.ED4C898193@mail3.panix.com> Subject: [9fans] Dell branded 3com PCMCIA NIC's Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 15:40:02 -0500 out of curiosity. I have two of these - "Model 3ccfe575ct-d1", sez the label on the card. They work under NetBSD on the ThinkPad; under Plan9 on the same machine it's recognized as an 'elnk3' and I have a /net/ether0, but the card's ethernet address comes up ffffffffffff and the link light doesn't come on. iirc, giving an 'ea=' argument in plan9.ini didn't help either. I solved the immediate problem by getting a Netgear FA411, but now I'm cleaning up my desk and I'm wondering if the 3coms are worth hanging on to. (driver writing/debugging is out of my league, but if someone else is working on it I'd be happy to donate the cards.) -- m a r k p mv: joy is a directory, not copied to joy/joy From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 15:05:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 15:05:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21295 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 15:05:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21291 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 15:05:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 15:05:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84288199B9; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:05:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from hacsek (adsl-1-251.tvnet.hu [195.38.103.251]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B3A019999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 01:04:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Zoltan Jarai" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] VMware keyrepeat through vncv Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:04:44 +0100 I noticed a correction has been made regarding this problem at /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/vnc/kbd_vwr.c:118,120 but unfortunately another correction is needed a few lines above for the case when the control key is held down while pressing a key. /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/vnc/kbd_vwr.c:114 a /sys/src/cmd/vnc/kbd_vwr.c:115 > keyevent(v, r+0x60, 0); /* 0x60: make capital letter */ (I ran into the problem when pressing control-c in Windows under VMware. The result was a single control-c followed by the key c alone autorepeated.) Zoli From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 22:10:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 22:10:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25206 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 22:10:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25202 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 22:10:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 22:10:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3A74199B7; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:10:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23F6C19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gBED6UW11062; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:06:30 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: Subject: Re: [9fans] Q: Using Plan 9 documentation in talks? In-Reply-To: <119346380.1039764142@[192.168.0.2]> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:06:30 -0600 (CST) Thanks to all those who provided feedback. I'llt take it in the proper consideration. Since I never got an answer regarding correct citation in regards copyright (ie single or multiple) I've decided to use none of the Lucent/Bell Labs material directly. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 14 22:39:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 14 22:39:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25480 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2002 22:39:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25476 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 22:39:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 22:39:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76D46199BC; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:39:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECE3719999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 08:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id gBEDZXE11624 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:35:33 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions In-Reply-To: <20021212205339.27924.qmail@mail.dirac.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 07:35:33 -0600 (CST) On 12 Dec 2002, Keith Nash wrote: > > and there's always nemo's commentary... that probably should > > become a book :) > > > If any of you have a suggestion for a different publisher, > > just let me know. > > I have friends who were in small-time publishing about 7 years ago. In those days, a paperback print run was 1000 minimum, with larger runs at low incremental cost. It will be a problem to sell this number of books, or anything like it, whether through mail order or via booksellers. Advertising would be futile. > > A different option is for contributed material to be included in the official manuals. > > There could be a 3rd volume of "Contributed" material, or the new stuff could be added to the "Documents" volume (which I expect would be the cheaper route). > > Alternatively, since the only likely purchasers are subscribers to this list, we could collect pre-orders (e.g. through Vita Nuova, or Scusi's dad's company), and only print the book if there is sufficient interest. > Project Gutenberg -- ____________________________________________________________________ We don't see things as they are, ravage@ssz.com we see them as we are. www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org Anais Nin www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 15 03:18:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 15 03:18:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28589 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2002 03:18:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28585 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 03:18:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 03:18:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAF59199EE; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:18:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20019199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:17:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Dec 14 13:17:24 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Sat Dec 14 13:17:22 EST 2002 Message-ID: <833c65df8d4c64bd444d3775d4b92442@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VMware keyrepeat through vncv From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:17:21 -0500 Thanks. The source is fixed, and the binary will get updated in tomorrow morning's rebuild. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 15 15:52:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 15 15:52:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5414 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2002 15:52:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5409 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2002 15:52:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2002 15:52:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE49F19A68; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:52:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from smtp.fywss.com (ns.nevex.com [207.245.2.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9561819A19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:51:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from steve@localhost) by smtp.fywss.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id gBF513C11300 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:01:03 -0500 From: Steve Kotsopoulos Message-Id: <200212150501.gBF513C11300@smtp.fywss.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] [reminder] pointer to Plan 9 FAQ Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:01:03 -0500 The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month. It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq The latest hypertext version of the faq is available at url http://www.fywss.com/plan9/plan9faq.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 16 11:43:44 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 16 11:43:44 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22848 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2002 11:43:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22843 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 11:43:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 11:43:36 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85DFE19A6E; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:43:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D41FB19A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 15 21:42:39 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Sun Dec 15 21:42:38 EST 2002 Message-ID: <1b0fb97057c56332d12cc4750612458f@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] kernel bug fix Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:42:42 -0500 The kernels I installed on Friday morning have a small bug -- the boot program ignores the arguments it gets from the kernel. As a result, your boot prompt may show up as root is from (il, local)[il]: rather than root is from (il, local)[local!#S/sdC0/fs]: so that typing enter gives you a kernel panic when il fails. Only the default answer is affected -- you can still type local!#S/sdC0/fs (or just l) to boot the new kernel from kfs. I just pushed out new kernels that fix this problem. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 16 21:17:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 16 21:17:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6736 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2002 21:17:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6732 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 21:17:38 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 21:17:38 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D616519A74; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:17:17 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from wintermute.cse.psu.edu (wintermute.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D6FB19A78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by wintermute.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 938B073CB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18Nrse-0003vB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:49:44 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: north_ Message-ID: <48effcda.0212131539.79954117@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] [7f Bugfix] Plan9 FS Realtek Driver Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:49:35 GMT > Thanks for the report. My pleasure > Geoff Collyer sent in > a slightly different fix that works within the compat.h > macros, and that fix is now on sources. Yah, I was so excited that I had created a solid fix for the driver that I didn't take the time to elaborate and see if I could go further via compat.h, etc. I'm just glad that my fix works well. Finally, I am on my way to being as good with hardware as I am with software! Nice job, Geoff. Don From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 16 21:18:14 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 16 21:18:14 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6745 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2002 21:18:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6741 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 21:18:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 21:18:13 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E84E19A7B; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:17:26 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from wintermute.cse.psu.edu (wintermute.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E43919A77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by wintermute.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 7C36473CB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18NrtG-0003ww-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:50:22 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Lawrence E. Bakst" Message-ID: <801f0ad7.0212141838.3c5319fb@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] plan9 support for Intel i850e chip set Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:49:48 GMT I was thinking of buying a brand new PC for Christmas. A Dell with a 3.06 GHz P4 w/ 533 MHz FSB with HyperThreading, and the Intel i850e support chips which has a dual channnel 1066 RDRAM memory system. I need this config for some software based real time video editing software we've been developing at work, but I really want to be able to run plan9 on it as well. A few questions: 1. Will plan9 run on this config? I did a search on "i850" and someone else had problems with this chipset about a year ago. In that thread jmk said: Oops, I just remembered the nvram locations are printed out in your message by MEMDEBUG, it's 'maxpa' below. maxpa = F9DC -> 3F77000, maxpa1 = F9DC maxpa2 = 280 The convention is that this location is 0 if the physical memory size is not known by the bios or is >64MB. I guess we need to rethink how we do this, it's old code and hardware moves on. Did anyone do any work in order to get this chipset to work? 2. If it doesn't work am I likely to be able to hack the boot code to get it to work? One of the posts mentioned something about being able to get to the config data only from real mode, which made it sound like it might be difficult because maybe the plan9 booter isn't running in real mode yet. I'm an old retired unix kernel hacker but this sounds like it might be kind of a hard first plan9 project. 3. Is assume the plan9 kernel will not recognize the HyperThreading and "see" the CPU as 2 processors? 4. Assuming the i850e memory issue issolved, am I likely to run into other problems with peripheral support? Of course, I can find a graphics cards that will work. Thanks in advance, leb From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 16 21:18:57 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 16 21:18:57 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6788 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2002 21:18:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6784 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 21:18:56 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 21:18:56 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D72119A78; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:17:35 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from wintermute.cse.psu.edu (wintermute.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.5]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE9D619A7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by wintermute.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server (Backup MX)) with ESMTP id 37A8D73CB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 07:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18NrtG-0003x2-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:50:22 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Clemens Fischer Message-ID: Organization: T-Online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: <0ecda395045b27db86faba0fb215e171@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Subject: Re: [9fans] Hi together | a few newbie questions Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 09:49:58 GMT nemo@plan9.escet.urjc.es (Fco.J.Ballesteros): [updating 9.ps] > Regarding publication, AWL said there's no market for it. Then I > tried peer-to-peer (the publisher of Lion's book), but they are no > longer in the business. If any of you have a suggestion for a > different publisher, just let me know. can't you just put it up in HTML? that would be a great resource! clemens From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 00:27:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 00:27:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9376 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 00:27:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9372 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 00:27:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 00:27:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1F0B19A75; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:27:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31B5119A6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:26:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 16 10:26:16 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Mon Dec 16 10:26:15 EST 2002 Message-ID: <5a9ae293390994bcb96c320c70e9b715@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 support for Intel i850e chip set From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:26:11 -0500 There's some LCD-only support for the i810 chip set, but I don't think there's any support at all for the i850. The memory complication that jmk pointed out is just one more complication, though your bios might behave differently. Buying a supported graphics card might be a better bet than trying to hack on vga. Jmk had an smt processor running Plan 9 a few months ago. I don't remember much else. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 00:55:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 00:55:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9583 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 00:55:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9579 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 00:55:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 00:55:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4875119A7F; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:55:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 390C519A67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:54:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <63b6c9e43a15b5b4f2a513f0257e3d75@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 support for Intel i850e chip set MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:54:08 -0500 the memory problem is really a bios issue, some will do it right, some won't. try it and see, it's easy to hack around it if it doesn't work. there's no problem with plan 9 and hyperthreading, it just works. however, it doesn't buy you much as far as i can tell. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 00:58:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 00:58:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9621 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 00:58:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9617 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 00:58:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 00:58:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5E9719A82; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:58:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (mailrelay2.lanl.gov [128.165.4.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 040E219A82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccs.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.3/8.12.3/(ccn-5)) with SMTP id gBGFv5gp000406 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 17393 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0700 Received: from unknown (HELO carotid.ccs.lanl.gov) (128.165.148.162) by 128.165.148.1 with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0700 Received: (qmail 30547 invoked by uid 3499); 16 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0700 From: "Ronald G. Minnich" X-X-Sender: rminnich@carotid.ccs.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 support for Intel i850e chip set In-Reply-To: <63b6c9e43a15b5b4f2a513f0257e3d75@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 08:57:05 -0700 (MST) On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > there's no problem with plan 9 and hyperthreading, it just works. > however, it doesn't buy you much as far as i can tell. seems like you need the Intel compiler to make it work if it is going to work, and even then, it doesn't work in many cases. All that work Intel did on hyperthreading, and it is hard to see what it bought us. It did buy hype, though, so maybe what is really is is: hype-r-threading. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 02:14:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 02:14:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10289 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 02:14:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10285 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 02:14:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 02:14:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00EA319A8A; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:14:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BF10919A86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:13:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:12:54 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 48654094; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:12:53 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <48654094@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <48654094-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] sources pull - cannot boot (sigh) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:12:50 +0000 Hi, I pulled the latest sources, rebuilt a kernel, and now cannot boot (stop laughing out there :-( I get to the root is from prompt [local!#S/sdC0/fs]: so I don't have Fridays problem, and if I press enter I get: boot: Cannot connect to file server: '/kfs' file does not exist panic boot process died: unknown ktrace /kernel/path 80106733 80009f44 8000... ... 8000... cpu0 exiting maybe it is to do with the changes to build a boot script rather than a a boot executable? I must admit I didn't read the instructions on the wiki very carefully and just did a mk 'CONF=pcdisk' install after doing the replica. Any ideas how I get out of this mess ? I guess I have to create an install disk with a plan9.ini explicitly starting the kernel from the floppy, then mount the partitions on my IDE drive manually and put a good kernel over the top of the broken one. Alternatively I suppose I could reinstall - thankfully I do have backups :-) -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 02:16:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 02:16:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10310 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 02:16:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10306 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 02:16:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 02:16:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0118F19A8F; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:16:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8506219A8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01260 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:15:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id gBGHFbw00780 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:15:37 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212161715.gBGHFbw00780@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] kernel bug fix In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 15 Dec 2002 21:42:42 EST." <1b0fb97057c56332d12cc4750612458f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 12:15:36 -0500 I noticed this a few days ago. I fixed it by changing ``bootdisk='' to ``bootargs='' in plan9.ini. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 04:24:47 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 04:24:47 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11409 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 04:24:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11405 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 04:24:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 04:24:41 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63AD319A83; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:24:15 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F37819A83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 16 14:23:29 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Mon Dec 16 14:23:28 EST 2002 Message-ID: <7b53123a3a4144f3f970c11ac5fcb965@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sources pull - cannot boot (sigh) From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:23:27 -0500 You don't need to reinstall, but you do need to get at your plan9.ini. If you pulled, you should have gotten a fresh copy of the old kernel in /386/_9pcdisk. If you can change your plan9.ini to boot from sdC0!fs!/386/_9pcdisk you should be all set. If you run Windows on a FAT file system, you can copy c:\plan9\plan9ini.bak to c:\plan9\plan9.ini and then edit that -- 9load looks there before 9fat. If not, http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/flop.gz is a compressed floppy image that contains only 9load and a minimal plan9.ini. You can download that and edit the plan9.ini there (or not; it will prompt you for a boot file). As for your actual kernel problem, it sounds like /sys/src/9/boot/local.c didn't get updated or didn't get recompiled when you rebuilt your kernel. The paths in the connectlocal function should say "/boot/kfs" and not "/kfs". If they say the latter, your source is out of date. If they say the former, maybe your build used an old object file, though I thought we had rules in place to do the right thing. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 07:06:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 07:06:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12824 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 07:06:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12820 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 07:06:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 07:06:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA21119A8D; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:06:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7347919A85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA29482 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:08:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA00227; Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:05:55 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] 9.ps (was:Hi together | a few newbie questions) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 17:05:55 -0500 (EST) Clemens Fischer wrote in mesage: > can't you just put it up in HTML? Or Wiki syntax - possibly with rc scripts to convert paragraphs, etc properly a la a2ps --Joel ______________________________________________________ Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 17 17:58:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 17 17:58:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32001 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2002 17:58:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31997 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2002 17:58:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 17:58:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF00719A84; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:58:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEBE419A67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:57:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <011cafac566424cf4487fd6e10db5826@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9.ps (was:Hi together | a few newbie questions) From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:57:13 +0100 There's also a pdf version. http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/who/nemo/9.pdf.gz Regarding html, you already have a text version (for acme) if you want to. It's 9.txt.gz at the same place. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 01:31:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 01:31:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8118 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 01:31:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8114 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 01:31:39 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 01:31:39 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8332719A86; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:31:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6105719A77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBHGPhi07062 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:25:44 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] boot floopy.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:25:43 -0500 (EST) I installed Plan from cd-image (plan9-new.iso.bz2). It won't make a bootfloppy in bootsetup menu: will not format non-floppy disk /dev/sdD0/cdboot Any ideas on how to make a boot floppy? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 01:37:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 01:37:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8152 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 01:37:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8148 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 01:37:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 01:37:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65CB119A6D; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:37:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4503519A67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:36:35 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 1274804915; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:36:32 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Subject: Re[2]: [9fans] sources pull - cannot boot (sigh) - sorted Message-Id: <1274804915@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <1274804915-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:36:39 +0000 Hi, All sorted, one change to Russ's instructions, the backup kernel was called sdC0!fs!/386/_9pcdisk.gz - ie gziped. Looking at the dates on the kernel source everything looks like everything it compiled ok - including boot.c. Just to make sure I did a make clean, deleted /sys/src/9/boot/libboot.a8, and rebuilt the kernel to prove I can still bootstrap myself, which I can. Thanks once again Russ, -Steve ____________________Reply Separator____________________ Subject: Re: [9fans] sources pull - cannot boot (sigh) Author: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: 16/12/02 19:23 You don't need to reinstall, but you do need to get at your plan9.ini. If you pulled, you should have gotten a fresh copy of the old kernel in /386/_9pcdisk. If you can change your plan9.ini to boot from sdC0!fs!/386/_9pcdisk you should be all set. If you run Windows on a FAT file system, you can copy c:\plan9\plan9ini.bak to c:\plan9\plan9.ini and then edit that -- 9load looks there before 9fat. If not, http://plan9.bell-labs.com/~rsc/flop.gz is a compressed floppy image that contains only 9load and a minimal plan9.ini. You can download that and edit the plan9.ini there (or not; it will prompt you for a boot file). As for your actual kernel problem, it sounds like /sys/src/9/boot/local.c didn't get updated or didn't get recompiled when you rebuilt your kernel. The paths in the connectlocal function should say "/boot/kfs" and not "/kfs". If they say the latter, your source is out of date. If they say the former, maybe your build used an old object file, though I thought we had rules in place to do the right thing. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 01:47:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 01:47:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8233 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 01:47:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8229 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 01:47:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 01:47:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 575A319A96; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:47:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37D6C19A8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:46:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 17 11:46:03 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Tue Dec 17 11:46:01 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] boot floopy.. From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:45:56 -0500 It sounds like that's a bug in the install process. You could use the floppy I posted for Steve. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 02:06:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 02:06:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8413 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 02:06:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8409 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:06:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:06:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D434519A91; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:06:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA03B19A90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBHH1IT07398 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:01:18 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Boot floppy again.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:01:18 -0500 (EST) I missed the post of boot floppy (for Steve). May I get a copy too? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 02:08:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 02:08:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8441 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 02:08:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8437 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 02:08:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 02:08:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBF4F19A9D; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:08:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1D6A19A99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:07:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 17 12:07:38 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Tue Dec 17 12:07:37 EST 2002 Message-ID: <30b8e1d0ce8172bcafa61c0b11679d94@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Boot floppy again.. From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 12:07:33 -0500 https://lists.cse.psu.edu/archives/9fans/2002-December/date.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 05:45:42 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 05:45:42 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10350 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 05:45:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10346 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 05:45:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 05:45:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 644E119A77; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:45:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F8D7199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:44:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBHKe9N01978 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:40:09 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] smtp help needed.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:40:09 -0500 (EST) just installed terminal from plan9-new.iso.bz2 the email can go out but can't come in (syslog in sender says that mail refused the plan9 box. files in question are (/mail/lib/smtpd.conf, /mail/lib/rewrite, /mail/lib/remotemail) given below. -ishwar ----- # # sample smtpd configuration options for inside connections # # # replace YOURDOM with the name of your domain # replace 10.0.0.0 with the IP address range of your networks defaultdomain shardi.cps.cmcih.edu norelay on #allow relaying verifysenderdom off #disable dns verification of sender domain saveblockedmsg off #save blocked messages # # if norelay is on, you need to set the # networks allowed to relay through # as well as the domains to accept mail for # # ournets 192.168.0.0/16 # ourdomains *.fakedom.dom, *.fakedom.rog ourdomains *.cps.cmich.edu --- # # sample rewrite file for systems that send and receive mail directly. # # by default, the return address points to this system; if you have multiple systems # and don't want them all to be mail recipients, set $site to a generic # name (e.g., plan9) or system name in /rc/bin/termrc and /rc/bin/cpurc # and put an MX DNS record in /lib/ndb to point to that system. # # replace YOURDOMAIN.DOM in the following rules with your domain name. # translate local aliases from /mail/lib/namefiles [^!@.]+ translate "/bin/upas/aliasmail '&'" # deliver mail without a domain locally local!(.*) >> /mail/box/\1/mbox # your local names \l!(.*) alias \1 \l\.cps\.cmich\.edu!(.*) alias \1 # convert source domain address to a chain a@b@c@d... @([^@!,]*):([^!@]*)@([^!]*) alias \2@\3@\1 @([^@!]*),@([^!@,]*):([^!@]*)@([^!]*) alias @\1:\3@\4@\2 # convert a chain a@b@c@d... to ...d!c!b!a ([^@]+)@([^@]+)@(.+) alias \2!\1@\3 ([^@]+)@([^@]+) alias \2!\1 # queue all mail for delivery ([^!]*)!(.+) | "/mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'net!\1'" "'\2'" --- #!/bin/rc shift sender=$1 shift addr=$1 shift exec /bin/upas/smtp -h shardi.cps.cmich.edu $addr $sender $* -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 05:54:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 05:54:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10428 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 05:54:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10424 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 05:54:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 05:54:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69D3219A67; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:54:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 450D2199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 17 15:53:53 EST 2002 Received: from 18.24.6.210 ([18.24.6.210]) by plan9; Tue Dec 17 15:53:52 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] smtp help needed.. From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:53:47 -0500 did you create /mail/box/you/mbox for each person who is going to receive mail on the machine? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 06:08:38 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 06:08:38 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10552 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 06:08:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10548 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 06:08:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 06:08:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A18319992; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:08:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55D9F199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBHL3Bl02031 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:03:11 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] smtp help needed.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:03:11 -0500 (EST) So far it is only glenda and entry for glenda exists alrw-rw--w- M 8 glenda glenda 0 Dec 18 4:15 mbox It feels as if smtpd is not running? -ishwar On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > did you create /mail/box/you/mbox for each > person who is going to receive mail on the machine? > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 06:51:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 06:51:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10871 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 06:51:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10867 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 06:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 06:51:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AF4119A9C; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:51:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1E21319A87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA01054 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:52:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA19617; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:50:03 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] 9.ps (was:Hi together | a few newbie questions) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:50:03 -0500 (EST) The advantages of the wiki format would be: * easy updating by anyone who can examine a particular bit of kernel code * up-to-date version is always the one read (especially if the chapters are seperately downloadable - those of us on dial-up connections might not want to download the entire 1500K for an updated version that fixes a spelling error, but smaller sections would be manegable) Can a simple parser be written to turn the raw text into wiki pages? --Joel ______________________________________________________ Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 07:00:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 07:00:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10899 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 07:00:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10895 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 07:00:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 07:00:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6895A19AA1; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:00:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AFE51199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:59:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA01560 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:01:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA19815; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:59:31 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] p9 source browser? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:59:31 -0500 (EST) $ ping offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu no answer from offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu :-( --Joel ______________________________________________________ Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 07:16:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 07:16:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11045 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 07:16:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11041 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 07:16:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 07:16:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9AA619AA6; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:16:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 004F119AA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:15:06 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3832 invoked by uid 18927); 17 Dec 2002 22:09:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 22:09:15 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] p9 source browser? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021217150749.S3549-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:09:15 -0700 (MST) it's been off for a very long time. On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Joel Salomon wrote: > $ ping offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu > no answer from offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu > :-( > > --Joel > ______________________________________________________ > Due to economic circumstances, the light at the end of > the tunnel has been turned off. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 07:42:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 07:42:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11196 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 07:42:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11192 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 07:42:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 07:42:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30E9919AA9; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:42:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from magnum.cooper.edu (magnum.cooper.edu [199.98.16.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 955B619AA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from robin.cooper.edu by magnum.cooper.edu with SMTP id AA04190 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>); Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:43:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by robin.cooper.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA20974; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:41:25 -0500 From: Joel Salomon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] p9 source browser Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:41:25 -0500 (EST) Sorry - google groups had some threads from 2001 on comp.os.plan9 's first page, which I responded to. Heisenbug - reload the page and it's back to normal. --Joel From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 07:59:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 07:59:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11355 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 07:59:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11351 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 07:59:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 07:59:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3716D19A90; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:59:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0803319AAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:58:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBHMwBRL002483 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9.ps (was:Hi together | a few newbie questions) From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:12:14 -0800 > The advantages of the wiki format would be: > * easy updating by anyone who can examine a particular bit of kernel code > * up-to-date version is always the one read (especially if the chapters > are seperately downloadable - those of us on dial-up connections might not > want to download the entire 1500K for an updated version that fixes a > spelling error, but smaller sections would be manegable) My recent experience with the Wiki pages tells me that the "Kernel Notes" shouldn't be trusted to wiki and group editing. There are very few people on this list that could reasonably do the updates that it seems Wiki-fying is counterproductive. There is plenty of raw information (including the kernel source). What saves everyone time is knowing that a trusted authority has written the commentary with a coherent classification of functions. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 08:15:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 08:15:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11516 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 08:15:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11512 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 08:15:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 08:15:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BDC819A81; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:15:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mx01.netapp.com (mx01.netapp.com [198.95.226.53]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56E7E19AAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from frejya.corp.netapp.com (frejya [10.10.20.91]) by mx01.netapp.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id gBHNEKYW003669; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:14:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from place.org ([10.58.48.135]) by frejya.corp.netapp.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/NTAP-1.4) with ESMTP id gBHNEH0d005105; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:14:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3DFFAFC7.4000509@place.org> From: Stephen Wynne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] p9 source browser? References: <20021217150749.S3549-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:14:15 -0800 andrey mirtchovski wrote: > [offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu]'s been off for a very long time. Yes, sorry everyone. I left CMU at the end of 2000, and although one hardy fellow staffer kept it going for a while, it eventually went by the wayside. It would be nice to have something like it back with all intervening versions, somewhere. I miss it, too. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 08:22:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 08:22:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11605 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 08:22:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11601 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 08:22:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 08:22:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B124F19AB8; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:22:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2FE57199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3965 invoked by uid 18927); 17 Dec 2002 23:15:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 17 Dec 2002 23:15:14 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] p9 source browser? In-Reply-To: <3DFFAFC7.4000509@place.org> Message-ID: <20021217161238.Y3549-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:15:14 -0700 (MST) I can put one here at the university of calgary, but there are a few questions about it: 1. license issues need to be resolved the same way they were at offworld 2. i cannot guarantee that the site will be up for more than two years (i'm just a student, after all) bandtwidth is not an issue -- not too many people interested ;) andrey On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Stephen Wynne wrote: > andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > [offworld.fac.cs.cmu.edu]'s been off for a very long time. > > Yes, sorry everyone. I left CMU at the end of 2000, and although > one hardy fellow staffer kept it going for a while, it eventually > went by the wayside. It would be nice to have something like it back > with all intervening versions, somewhere. I miss it, too. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 08:42:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 08:42:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11851 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 08:42:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11847 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 08:42:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 08:42:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BDF619ABB; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:42:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from t-pyxidis.fac.cs.cmu.edu (T-PYXIDIS.FAC.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.220.60]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 43D1B19AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from t-pyxidis.fac.cs.cmu.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by t-pyxidis.fac.cs.cmu.edu id aa81551; 17 Dec 2002 18:41 EST To: Stephen Wynne Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] p9 source browser? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:14:15 PST." <3DFFAFC7.4000509@place.org> From: Matthew Weigel Message-Id: <20021217234127.43D1B19AB1@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:41:18 -0500 > Yes, sorry everyone. I left CMU at the end of 2000, and > although one hardy fellow staffer kept it going for a while, > it eventually went by the wayside. It would be nice to have > something like it back with all intervening versions, > somewhere. I miss it, too. I'm afraid that I never had the time to upgrade the installed apache after the pre-1.3.26 (IIRC) exploit came out. What's more, offworld developed a propensity to wedge so the few times I tried, I couldn't keep it up long enough to even try. I'm in the middle of a project with a close deadline right now, but I'll try to work on it after the new year; offworld won't be the host, so if I get something up it will probably only have 4e sources to start with. Given the long-term interest, though, it *does* seem like a worthy project to ressurect. -- Matthew Weigel Research Systems Programmer mcweigel+@cs.cmu.edu From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 18:35:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 18:35:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 403 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 18:35:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 394 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 18:35:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 18:35:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 265D219A97; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:35:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AB24199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:34:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06286 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:34:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBI9YCd5018395 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:34:15 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.6+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id gBI9YCq16574 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:34:12 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200212180934.gBI9YCq16574@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] p9 source browser? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:15:14 -0700." <20021217161238.Y3549-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> References: <20021217161238.Y3549-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:34:12 +0100 If 2) would be an issue, and if there is something existing that justs needs a home (rather than being rebuild) I could probably offer it a home here at university of twente (assuming I will be here still for a while). Assuming it runs under unix and not plan 9 itself, bandwidth should not be an issue, I think we have pretty good connections (our campusnet for a while was a bit infamous due to that :-/) Axel. > I can put one here at the university of calgary, but there are a few > questions about it: > > 1. license issues need to be resolved the same way they were at offworld > 2. i cannot guarantee that the site will be up for more than two years > (i'm just a student, after all) > > bandtwidth is not an issue -- not too many people interested ;) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 19:44:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 19:44:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1921 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 19:44:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1917 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 19:44:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 19:44:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DAFA9199BE; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:44:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77650199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 05:44:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18Obex-0004C1-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:42:39 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Adrian Tritschler Message-ID: <84y96oj594.fsf@smtp.monash.edu.au> Organization: Monash Uni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] Getting updates on a cpu server? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:42:24 GMT I'm in the middle of trying to convert a p9 terminal to a cpu server. I followed the instructions in the wiki, and all seems to be well. I can boot off the "pcdisk" kernel and use the machine as a terminal, or I can boot off "pcauth" and run it as a CPU/auth/KFS machine. When its running as the cpu server, I can access it via drawterm or ssh. How do I install updates? When I try to run replica/pull.. as bootes from the console, I receive the following: post... srv tcp!sources.cs.bell-labs.com!9fs: mount failed: authentication failure bind: /n/sources/plan9: `/n/sources/plan9' does not exist servermount: bind 766: bind If I reboot the machine as a terminal, login as glenda or my own account, then replica/pull... works fine. Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:Adrian.Tritschler@its.monash.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 23:00:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 23:00:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5588 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 23:00:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5582 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 23:00:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:00:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13C57199ED; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:00:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 459EF19A98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 18 08:59:26 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Wed Dec 18 08:59:24 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Getting updates on a cpu server? From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 08:59:23 -0500 By default the factotum on CPU servers does not prompt for extra keys, since there's typically no one sitting at the console to give them. You need to preload the factotum with the sources key, or start a new one: auth/factotum 9fs sources or echo 'proto=p9sk1 user=bozo !password=not.telling dom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com' >/mnt/factotum/ctl Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 18 23:37:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 18 23:37:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5961 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2002 23:37:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5957 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2002 23:37:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 23:37:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2D9619AA0; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:37:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (unknown [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6FCD819A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 09:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:36:18 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Received: from ccMail by snellwilcox.com (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.51.00.11) id 1903510055; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:36:16 +0000 Importance: normal Priority: normal Message-Id: <1903510055@snellwilcox.com> X-MIME-Engine: v0.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Id: <1903510055-1@snellwilcox.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] stupid question - expansion of $var in dial strings Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve.simon@snellwilcox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:35:40 +0000 Hi, The manual says that if I run timesync with -n it will use NTP and if I don't supply a server name it will use $ntp (udp!$ntp!ntp). My /lib/ndb/local contains an entry for my machine (below) and it correctly sets the machine name from the ether address so I assume it is happy. and by my reckoning it should find the ntp server name, but it does not appear to, infact the call to dial() appears to hang - maybe it would fail eventually with a DNS timeout I dunno. What have I missed? database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common # DHCP at work sys=savan ether=0020af8d6140 ntp=gb.public.ntp.get-time.net dom=swlocal #dialup at home sys=ntl telco=126308005190100 dom=ntlworld.com dns=194.168.4.100 dns=194.168.8.100 pop=pop.ntlworld.com smtp=smtp.ntlworld.com nntp=news.ntlworld.com ntp=gb.public.ntp.get-time.net auth=sources.cs.bell-labs.com authdom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 19 03:04:59 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 19 03:04:59 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 7824 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2002 03:04:58 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7813 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 03:04:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 03:04:48 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20793199BB; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:04:16 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5CF15199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 13:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 6315 invoked by uid 18927); 18 Dec 2002 17:57:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Dec 2002 17:57:37 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021218101615.Y6231-100001@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-270999139-1040234257=:6231" Subject: [9fans] way offtopic Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:57:37 -0700 (MST) This message is in MIME format. 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mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D75519AA4; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:08:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36B3E19A9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBIL2pJ04512 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:02:51 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] More woes.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 16:02:51 -0500 (EST) I have tried two consecutive installs from plan9-new.iso.bz2 and can't make incoming e-mail to be make plan9 terminal box -- connection refused to sender. I tried to go further with cpu/auth standalone install. I assume that kernel involved is 'pcauth' kernel. The kernel makes correctly and machine also boots as expected. I also created user accounts in key database. I tried to login from Linux box and things does not work at all. In drawterm window (drawterm -n -c ), the challenge is never seen, if the winow is killed the error message in Linux window displays drawterm: cannot authenticate with netkey Any pointers? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 19 10:28:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 19 10:28:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14090 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2002 10:28:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14080 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 10:28:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 10:28:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 339E6199BF; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:28:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C54FD19A98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from grubby.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-9.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.9]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBJ1RShN081672 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.160.8]) by grubby.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBJ1RLa86354 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from aelf (alef [135.180.240.78]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17964 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:27:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002701c2a6fd$c709a530$4ef0b487@bl.belllabs.com> From: "Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A6D3.DDFB2810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [9fans] SONY CDROM drive doesnt get recognized Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:27:21 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A6D3.DDFB2810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I just installed Plan 9 on a PC and found that it doesnt recognize the = CDROM drive. The drive is SONY (Model No. CDU701). I tried both in master and cable = select mode. I downloaded the floppy image and then installed Plan 9 over the = network. The drive did boot well with RedHat 7.2 installation CD. When I tried with a different CDROM drive (LG make), Plan 9 recognized = the drive. Any problem with the SONY CDROM drive? Regards dharani ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A6D3.DDFB2810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I just installed Plan 9 on a PC and = found that it=20 doesnt recognize the CDROM drive.
 
The drive is SONY (Model No. CDU701). I = tried both=20 in master and cable select mode.
 
I downloaded the floppy image and then = installed=20 Plan 9 over the network.
 
The drive did boot well with RedHat 7.2 = installation CD.
 
When I tried with a different CDROM = drive (LG=20 make), Plan 9 recognized the drive.
 
Any problem with the SONY CDROM = drive?
 
Regards
dharani
 
------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C2A6D3.DDFB2810-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 19 17:20:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 19 17:20:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28428 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2002 17:20:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28424 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 17:20:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 17:20:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 504DA19AA5; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:20:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from nautilus.escet.urjc.es (nautilus.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB89C199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 03:19:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] More woes.. From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:19:45 +0100 Did you follow what's said in the wiki about how to configure a cpuserver? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 19 21:09:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 19 21:09:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 588 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2002 21:09:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 584 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 21:09:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 21:09:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FCEE19AB4; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:09:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from workbench.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71B5919A9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:08:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <87630f82934e9c156dfbcd283bc9c82a@coraid.com> From: bwc@coraid.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] filters and _pattern Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:10:16 -0500 If anyone else is using the filterkit stuff, note that the _pattern file must be writeable by others. I assume since upas runs as none. I've been using the pipeto in filterkit for the last 30 days and have >4000 entries in the bounced file. But I hadn't been able to add a single new entry until this morning. Brantley From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 19 23:04:18 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 19 23:04:18 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2536 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2002 23:04:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2532 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2002 23:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2002 23:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3CA919AC0; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:04:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5289F19ABD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:03:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] filters and _pattern MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-apxbgiqdbklalcpqdbukjbzyvj" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:03:43 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-apxbgiqdbklalcpqdbukjbzyvj Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At least 3 of use it, the sample pipeto was based on my pipeto at the time. I've changed it a bit since. I now both bounce the mail and also dump a copy into mbox.bounced so that I can occasionaly grep it to look for things like viruses and stupid spam that other people say they got that were especially funny. I also changed it to make getting web order responses a little easier . Since I have a domain that I own, I can have any number of mail adresses that go to me. I made a pattern that matches a class of them (e.g. x\..*). I allow anything mailed to x\..* to get through the filter. Whenever I order something on the web and they need a mail address, I always give them something of the form x.theirdomainname. That way, I don't have to worry about turning them on for the reply. If that name starts getting used by spammers I end up knowing both who is selling their lists and can turn that destination address off. To the web's credit and to me surprisingly, that's never happened. On a similar note, I'm changing the outgoing filter that marshal pipes mail through from /bin/myupassend to /mail/box/$user/pipefrom. The former required a bind to personalize and the new naming is a bit more obvious given pipeto already existing. There is one danger: if you call marshal (perhaps inadvertantly by running /bin/mail) you'll end up with a forker. /bin/myupassend will continue to work for a few months to give people a chance to change over. --upas-apxbgiqdbklalcpqdbukjbzyvj Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 07:09:20 EST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 07:09:20 EST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFFB819AB3; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:09:08 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from workbench.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71B5919A9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:08:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <87630f82934e9c156dfbcd283bc9c82a@coraid.com> From: bwc@coraid.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] filters and _pattern Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 07:10:16 -0500 If anyone else is using the filterkit stuff, note that the _pattern file must be writeable by others. I assume since upas runs as none. I've been using the pipeto in filterkit for the last 30 days and have >4000 entries in the bounced file. But I hadn't been able to add a single new entry until this morning. Brantley --upas-apxbgiqdbklalcpqdbukjbzyvj-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 20 04:28:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 20 04:28:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5658 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2002 04:28:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5654 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 04:28:33 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 04:28:33 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AA4F199EE; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:28:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C055199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:27:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBJJLlr06893 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:21:52 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Standalone cpu/auth server.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 14:21:47 -0500 (EST) Context is Wiki-page on standalone cpu/auth server.. It says to add in misc section of /sys/src/9/pc/pcauth, entries kfs.root factotum.root After adding this command mk 'CONF=pcauth' stops with error mk: no recipe to make 'kfs.root' in directory /sys/src/9/pc but if NOT added a 9pcauth kernel is generated. Any ponters on kfs.root etc.? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 20 10:19:42 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 20 10:19:42 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10312 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2002 10:19:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10304 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 10:19:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 10:19:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35D0E19991; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:19:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CE7619991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:18:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 20:18:12 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 20:18:10 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Standalone cpu/auth server.. From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 20:18:07 -0500 The pcauth kernel config can be used without any modifications to run a standalone cpu/auth server. The section misc kfs.root factotum.root has been replaced by the bootdir section described in past emails to 9fans. I have updated the wiki. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 20 11:29:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 20 11:29:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12842 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2002 11:29:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12837 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 11:29:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 11:29:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 624E519A60; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:29:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7244A19A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:28:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBK2N7Q07409 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:23:07 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Standalone cpu/auth server.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:23:07 -0500 (EST) Is ther any way to make '-n' (for using netkey auth) option on drawterm work? Drawterm now works straight UNIX style login drawterm -a authsrv-addr -c cpusrv-addr -ishwar On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > The pcauth kernel config can be used > without any modifications to run a standalone > cpu/auth server. The section > > misc > kfs.root > factotum.root > > has been replaced by the bootdir section > described in past emails to 9fans. > > I have updated the wiki. > > Russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 20 11:34:04 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 20 11:34:04 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13010 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2002 11:33:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13001 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 11:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 11:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5459019A68; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:33:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9B0319981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 21:32:10 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 21:32:09 EST 2002 Message-ID: <1fa83044388b13fc8868151b84b0d9b4@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Standalone cpu/auth server.. From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:32:07 -0500 > Drawterm now works straight UNIX style login ... if by UNIX style you mean that there is a password prompt. Otherwise it's nothing like UNIX. The password does NOT go over the wire. It never leaves the drawterm process. > Is ther any way to make '-n' (for using netkey auth) option > on drawterm work? I assume you mean it does not work? What goes wrong when you type drawterm -c cpusrv-addr -n ? (You can include the -a authsrv-addr, but it's ignored with -n.) Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 20 11:40:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 20 11:40:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13213 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2002 11:40:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13209 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 11:40:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 11:40:19 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98F4A199F2; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:40:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE56719981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:39:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBK2YHT07430 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:34:17 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Standalone cpu/auth server.. In-Reply-To: <1fa83044388b13fc8868151b84b0d9b4@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: References: <1fa83044388b13fc8868151b84b0d9b4@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:34:17 -0500 (EST) On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > I assume you mean it does not work? What goes wrong > when you type > > drawterm -c cpusrv-addr -n > drawterm: cannot authenticate with netkey abort 661 -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 20 12:35:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 20 12:35:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14885 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2002 12:35:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14881 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2002 12:35:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2002 12:35:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4527E199E8; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:35:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7FCC199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:34:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 22:34:35 EST 2002 Received: from 141.154.234.91 ([141.154.234.91]) by plan9; Thu Dec 19 22:34:34 EST 2002 Message-ID: <167b5034e4f9809f8abadaef73773b69@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Standalone cpu/auth server.. From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:34:32 -0500 I have no idea what's going on. I think you're on your own for debugging it. Things to try include using netkey auth with the Plan 9 cpu command and reading the log on the auth server for activity. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 21 03:00:40 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 21 03:00:40 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 912 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2002 03:00:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 905 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 03:00:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 03:00:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13E3F19A60; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:00:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E1EC199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBKHsNo08905 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:54:23 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Almost there.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:54:23 -0500 (EST) How do I enable the second cpu (dual cpu pc) -- removing the line *nomp=1 does not do it? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 21 05:53:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 21 05:53:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2421 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2002 05:53:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2417 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 05:53:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 05:53:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5890E199E8; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:53:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 747AF199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:53:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBKKlmc09205 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:47:51 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] mounting cd.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 15:47:48 -0500 (EST) How does one mount cd (/dev/sdD0 in my case) to access it? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 21 10:02:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 21 10:02:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 5010 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2002 10:02:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5004 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2002 10:02:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2002 10:02:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F4B0199BE; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:02:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from imf38bis.bellsouth.net (mail119.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.59]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC3F419991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from murraystate.edu ([65.80.114.220]) by imf38bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021221010346.DHFI17082.imf38bis.bellsouth.net@murraystate.edu> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 20 Dec 2002 20:03:46 -0500 Message-ID: <3E03BD80.5000706@murraystate.edu> From: Jason Vowell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mounting cd.. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 19:01:52 -0600 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/dist /dev/sdD0/data -jason Ish Rattan wrote: >How does one mount cd (/dev/sdD0 in my case) to access >it? > >-ishwa > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 00:26:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 00:26:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16385 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 00:26:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16381 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 00:26:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 00:26:32 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 490C019A19; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:26:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABA141998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:25:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <26415fbe638832efa268dd2a0144e36d@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] draw Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:25:05 -0500 As promised, libdraw now contains support for the full set of Porter-Duff compositing operators. The bulk of extant programs do not need to change. Programs that call _string need to add ", SoverD" to the end of the argument list in each call. The man pages draw(2) describes the new functions. The man pages memdraw(2), memlayer(2), and draw(3) now describe the related changes that were made a week or so ago. Thanks again to Vita Nuova. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 01:52:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 01:52:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17527 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 01:52:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17523 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 01:52:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 01:52:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C05019A63; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:52:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9142C19A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:51:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBLGk2E10633 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:46:02 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] .iso files Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:46:02 -0500 (EST) Is there a way to unbundle then under Plan 9? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 02:00:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 02:00:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17621 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 02:00:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17617 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 02:00:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 02:00:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC9671998A; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:00:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4E2E19A10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:59:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Dec 21 11:59:37 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sat Dec 21 11:59:36 EST 2002 Message-ID: <201acc94007b6394bd66a0915f0a2918@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] .iso files From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:59:34 -0500 Mount them 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /n/kremvax foo.iso cd /n/kremvax ls -l and presto! they're unbundled. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 02:05:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 02:05:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 17680 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 02:05:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17676 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 02:05:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 02:05:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 903B319A6E; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:05:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.mightycheese.com (mail.mightycheese.com [209.61.186.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB86719A6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 12:04:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [64.175.45.164] (HELO [192.168.0.2]) by mail.mightycheese.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 413381 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 11:04:42 -0600 From: rob pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] .iso files Message-ID: <33311188.1040461620@[192.168.0.2]> In-Reply-To: <201acc94007b6394bd66a0915f0a2918@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <201acc94007b6394bd66a0915f0a2918@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.0 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 09:07:01 -0800 > and presto! they're unbundled. That's not unbundling, just an incredible simulation. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 04:55:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 04:55:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19803 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 04:55:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19799 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 04:55:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 04:55:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBBA019A66; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:55:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F006419981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021221195419.FDVP20174.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:54:19 +0000 Message-ID: <04a701c2a92a$c3b3db60$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] yuletidal wave Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:54:24 -0000 http://proweb.net/~matt/c2k2.html I will be counting the hours while I'm on 31,200kbps over the holidays matt From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 12:54:42 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 12:54:42 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25169 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 12:54:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25165 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 12:54:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 12:54:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41A1C19A76; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:54:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69F6919A76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 22:53:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021222035331.QYJY22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:53:31 +0000 Message-ID: <04ea01c2a96d$b34d6b40$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] latest bochs still no go Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:53:32 -0000 Following the slashdot story about bochs I downloaded the latest version The error has changed but the result the same : Bochs BIOS, 1 cpu, $Revision: 1.85 $ $Date: 2002/12/13 16:26:17 $ ata0 master: Generic 1234 ATA-2 Hard-Disk (10 MBytes) Booting from Floppy... PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs using fd0!dos!plan9.ini .dev A0 port 1F0 config 0040 capabilities 0200 mwdma 0000 found 9pcflop.gz .gz......................................................................... .... ............................................................................ .124 0730 => 711025+1093800+56912=1861737 entry: 80100020 cpu0: 2MHz GenuineIntel P5 (cpuid: AX 0x0513 DX 0x800111) 9486 free pages, 37944K bytes, 167544K swap ilock:: ad de ad de 06 00 00 00 3b 89 18 80 08 70 2c 80 01 00 00 00 70 65 01 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ilock:: ad de ad de 06 00 00 00 3b 89 18 80 08 70 2c 80 01 00 00 00 70 65 01 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 13:04:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 13:04:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 25317 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 13:04:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25313 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 13:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 13:04:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6536819A78; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:04:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23D9F199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 23:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021222040312.RDTG22267.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:03:12 +0000 Message-ID: <04f001c2a96f$0dc12160$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] bochs was the pre-release Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 04:03:13 -0000 and the windows installer doesn;t seem to have the binary in it ! so i cant test it - time for bed From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 22 20:10:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 22 20:10:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31027 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2002 20:10:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31023 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 20:10:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 20:10:25 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04E33199EE; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:10:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB224199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 06:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021222110956.EGRH8008.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:09:56 +0000 Message-ID: <050e01c2a9aa$ab268cc0$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] yup, bochs2.0 has the same error Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:09:58 -0000 finally got a binary and it does the same From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 23 01:31:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 23 01:31:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2993 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2002 01:31:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2989 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 01:31:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 01:31:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E41A019A73; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:31:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A31FD19A64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBMGPP419298 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:25:25 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] vncv question.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:25:25 -0500 (EST) I have a linux box (with firewall) running vncserver on display :1 On Plan 9 box, I tried vncv linux-host:1 I get response vncv: authentication failure: authentication failed Does any bosy know the default port used by vncserveri to accept incoming connections? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 23 01:58:39 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 23 01:58:39 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3171 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2002 01:58:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3167 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 01:58:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 01:58:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69952199B6; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4351199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBMGwWt18991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:58:32 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vncv question.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:58:32 -0500 (EST) It's quite likely that you've mistyped the password on the first attempt and factotum is repeating your bad password for you. Do this and see if it clears up: echo 'delkey server=linux-host' >/mnt/factotum/ctl Cheers, Sam On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Ish Rattan wrote: > > I have a linux box (with firewall) running vncserver on display :1 > > On Plan 9 box, I tried > > vncv linux-host:1 > > I get response > vncv: authentication failure: authentication failed > > Does any bosy know the default port used by vncserveri to accept incoming > connections? > > -ishwar > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 23 01:59:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 23 01:59:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3179 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2002 01:59:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3175 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 01:59:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 01:59:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31FA319A6A; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:59:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEB19199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 22 11:58:07 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sun Dec 22 11:58:06 EST 2002 Message-ID: <91ad0a69af3da7ba770a08d0b0b4be68@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] vncv question.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:58:04 -0500 a vnc server on foo:n runs on port 5900+n. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 23 19:00:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 23 19:00:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12853 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2002 19:00:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12849 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 19:00:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 19:00:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85C00199EE; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:00:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2A66199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 18QPHe-0001Qj-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:54:02 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Marchi Message-ID: Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] acl.lanl.gov/plan9/ down ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:50:56 GMT Hello, i tried to access the above site recently in search of info about the port to the advantech 5823. Is it just for me? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 23 19:20:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 23 19:20:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 13040 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2002 19:20:18 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13036 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2002 19:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2002 19:20:17 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBFD1199BE; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:20:06 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mcp.csh.rit.edu (mcp.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.9]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53B75199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from csh.rit.edu (pool-151-201-119-6.pitt.east.verizon.net [151.201.119.6]) by mcp.csh.rit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DB5A119 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:19:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1C4951.9070801@csh.rit.edu> From: George Gensure User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; IRIX IP32; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20021001 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] magicgraph 128 ZV Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1970 02:56:17 -0800 Working with the linux neomagic drivers as a roadmap, I've been trying to rewrite aux/vga to properly access my little laptop's magicgraph 128 ZV. So far, I have the fb improperly displaying the initial screen for rio, but I am lost as to how to move forward. Has anyone else had any success/insight with this? thanks -george From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 24 05:55:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 24 05:55:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 18706 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2002 05:55:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18702 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 05:55:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 05:55:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1C6219A10; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:55:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mailnw.centurytel.net (mailnw.centurytel.net [209.206.160.237]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0D7C199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from term4e.9netics.com ([64.91.109.37]) by mailnw.centurytel.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gBNKskh9017896 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 12:54:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5babb7c65ba58d626fc5f7d8a45d69c8@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] smtpd setup Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 13:08:28 -0800 Dear Rosanne Rossana-Dana, If i turn off relaying (norelay==on) any email, even those from domains and individuals that are "allow"ed in /mail/lib/blocked get, get a 550 rejection notice. If I allow relaying, I get a failed with error 'possible forward loop'. I think I'll need two separate interfaces to handle tcp25 for internal and external mail differently, correct? Looking at the sources it seems that the pipeline goes something like smtpd | # from /rc/bin/service.alt/tcp25 external interface send | # smtpd | # from /rc/bin/service/tcp25 ???? (send again?) # -Confused From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 24 12:55:30 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 24 12:55:30 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27877 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2002 12:55:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27873 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 12:55:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 12:55:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4506519A66; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:55:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D4EF199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:54:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBO3n7V23029 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:49:07 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Few silly ones.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:49:07 -0500 (EST) I just installed gcc from gnubin.tgz. The binary is /386/bin/gnu/gcc but is not found when gcc is invoked gcc one.c but /bin/gnu/gcc one.c works. Is there a solution? Also is there a way to change owner/group recursively in a subtree? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 24 13:16:41 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 24 13:16:41 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28628 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2002 13:16:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28624 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 13:16:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 13:16:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AFBB19A6E; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:16:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu (galapagos.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6BEE119A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:16:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14311 invoked by uid 991); 24 Dec 2002 04:16:00 -0000 Message-ID: <20021224041600.14310.qmail@g.bio.cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Few silly ones.. In-Reply-To: Message from Ish Rattan of "Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:49:07 EST." From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:16:00 -0500 > /386/bin/gnu/gcc > but is not found when gcc is invoked rc has nicer path searching rules than sh: it searches for relative paths, so you can use directories as prefixes to package binaries in groups. Thus, you can say "gnu/gcc" to run the program. Or you can add /bin/gnu to your $path. :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 24 13:17:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 24 13:17:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 28647 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2002 13:17:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28643 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 13:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 13:17:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D0B219A26; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:17:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD5D119A74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 23 23:16:31 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Mon Dec 23 23:16:30 EST 2002 Message-ID: <8c13cae8d5abaa3c5b11ee99c7e0135c@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Few silly ones.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:16:29 -0500 > but is not found when gcc is invoked > > gcc one.c it shouldn't be found. it's not in /bin. > but > /bin/gnu/gcc one.c you can say gnu/gcc one.c as a shorthand. > Also is there a way to change owner/group recursively > in a subtree? chgrp -u foo `{du -a tree | awk '{print $2}'} chgrp foo `{du -a tree | awk '{print $2}'} russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 24 13:31:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 24 13:31:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 29204 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2002 13:31:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29200 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2002 13:31:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2002 13:31:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2450A199B6; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:31:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from 9srv.net (ip-64-32-179-37.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [64.32.179.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5610E199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:30:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0e968e21fce07e136f375d2fe99c25c9@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Few silly ones.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:24:05 -0500 in addition to the solution noted by russ and scott of gnu/bin one.c you can do the bind to make the contents of /386/bin/gnu show up in /bin, and thus found by rc's default path: bind -a /386/bin/gnu /bin i'm not sure what else is in /bin/gnu, so this may or may no actually be desirable. note that this is the same way the default /bin is constructed from /386/bin and /rc/bin (the order of which i always reverse to allow rc scripts to be wrappers for binaries of the same name). i'd avoid scott's suggestion of changing your $path. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 00:06:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 00:06:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9990 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 00:06:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9986 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 00:06:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 00:06:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E94519A60; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:06:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2ECE1199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBOExWN24029 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:59:33 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] vncv.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:59:32 -0500 (EST) Is there a way to control the font-size on Plan 9 size for vncviewer -- it is a little too large for my comfort.. -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 00:13:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 00:13:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10171 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 00:13:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10167 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 00:13:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 00:13:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BD5C19A76; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:13:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 014AB199ED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 24 10:12:35 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Tue Dec 24 10:12:33 EST 2002 Message-ID: <35d167857e87ed9be841a346f65e640f@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] vncv.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:12:32 -0500 > Is there a way to control the font-size on Plan 9 size > for vncviewer -- it is a little too large for my comfort.. vncv just displays the pictures it is told to display. you have to change the font size in whatever system is running on the other end. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 01:11:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 01:11:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10649 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 01:11:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10645 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 01:11:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 01:11:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F1DF19A78; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:11:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5AFB19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021224161004.FZVF900.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:10:04 +0000 Message-ID: <005501c2ab66$f106e510$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] vncv.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:10:11 -0000 vncviewer for windows has a scale option [specified as a ratio!] or you could just try changing the default font for plan9 /usr/matt/lib/profile font = /lib/font/bit/lucidasans/unicode.13.font I have my fonts bigger because I'm running drawterm in on a 2048x1536 desktop [nvidia GeForce4 & Hyama Pro510 22" monitor] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ish Rattan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: [9fans] vncv.. > > Is there a way to control the font-size on Plan 9 size > for vncviewer -- it is a little too large for my comfort.. > > -ishwar > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 01:44:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 01:44:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10919 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 01:44:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10915 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 01:44:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 01:44:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F03A619A7B; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:44:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1042119988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBOGc6625552 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:38:06 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] vncv again.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:38:06 -0500 (EST) I ran vnc-server in application mode on Windoz-XP. I was able to conenct from Plan 9 box. It does not show/display the complete desktop. I can see it if tried from the Linux box. Is there a trick to it? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 02:08:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 02:08:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11076 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 02:08:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11072 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 02:08:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 02:08:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A25119A80; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:08:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69C1F19A7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:07:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBOH22h25635 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:02:02 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] vncs this time.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:02:02 -0500 (EST) I thought try the other way: vncserver on Plan 9 and client on Linux. vncs -d:1 (starts the server) Plan 9 vncviewer host:1 (Linux) vncviewr: VNC server closed connection message on Plan 9 box vncs: vncchal returned with error Also, vncs man page talks about APOP passwrod for challenge/response: 1) What is APOP password? 2) I am having problems with challenge/response stuff on this machine under drawterm too -- could that be the reason for vnc-client failure? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 02:14:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 02:14:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11152 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 02:14:20 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11148 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 02:14:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 02:14:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD8E219A6A; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:14:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F2F11998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from KIKE ([80.4.204.18]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021224171303.HTLA9037.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@KIKE> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:13:03 +0000 Message-ID: <006101c2ab6f$bd39da40$6501a8c0@KIKE> From: "matt" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] vncv again.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:13:10 -0000 plan9 vnc has no scroll so if the target desktop is bigger than your plan9 desktop you are out of luck from the man page : BUGS If the remote frame buffer is larger than the local screen, only the upper left corner can be accessed. drawterm & windows live happily together, can't say I've tried vnc into plan9 m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ish Rattan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: [9fans] vncv again.. > > I ran vnc-server in application mode on Windoz-XP. I was able to > conenct from Plan 9 box. It does not show/display the complete > desktop. I can see it if tried from the Linux box. Is there a > trick to it? > > -ishwar > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 08:47:43 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 08:47:43 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14740 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 08:47:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14736 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 08:47:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 08:47:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1D2F19981; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:47:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (huygens.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2660719981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:46:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 24 18:46:43 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Tue Dec 24 18:46:41 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs this time.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:46:39 -0500 > Also, vncs man page talks about APOP passwrod for challenge/response: > 1) What is APOP password? You have two passwords. Your Plan 9 password is used for Plan 9 protocols and is only stored as a DES key by the auth server. Your APOP password is used for a lot of external protocols (including APOP). The auth server stores the actual password, so it can be used in ways other than DES. When you run passwd you get prompted about your APOP password after your original password. > 2) I am having problems with challenge/response stuff on this machine > under drawterm too -- could that be the reason for vnc-client > failure? The challenge/response for drawterm uses your Plan 9 password (it's a slightly Plan 9-specific protocol). The challenge/response for VNC uses your APOP password. So the problems seem unrelated except for the general "something is not quite right about your auth setup". Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 25 10:07:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 25 10:07:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 16657 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2002 10:07:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16652 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2002 10:07:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2002 10:07:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47B1719A83; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:07:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7BB519A83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBP112X26860 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:01:02 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs this time.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 20:01:02 -0500 (EST) On Tue, 24 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > The challenge/response for drawterm uses your Plan 9 password > (it's a slightly Plan 9-specific protocol). The challenge/response > for VNC uses your APOP password. So the problems seem unrelated > except for the general "something is not quite right about your > auth setup". Agreed but I can't figure it out. I followed the wiki-page info many times (3 to be precise), I get the same behavior. I can live with it. -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 26 10:35:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 26 10:35:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9216 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2002 10:35:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9211 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 10:35:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 10:35:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7883D199B6; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:35:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D139619988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBQ1SDm28804 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:28:13 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Replica/pull.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:28:13 -0500 (EST) If one wants to pull locally modified files too, what option is there? I tried by renaming the files but complained that files have been deleted so it won't update. Also, I looked at /sys/log/auth entries for netkey failure to connect to cpu/pcauth server, no logs are made. The only odd line that I saw are of type: ... keyfs starting warning: 3e0a1084 3e0894f4 If somebody is running a cpu/auth server correctly -- incoming drawterm connections can be made using netkey challenge/respnse, do send me your /sys/src/9/pc/pcauth file (should it be pcppu file?). Merry Xmas. -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 26 11:04:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 26 11:04:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10144 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2002 11:04:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10140 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 11:04:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 11:04:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1008619A66; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:04:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CF2019988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 25 21:03:11 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Wed Dec 25 21:03:10 EST 2002 Message-ID: <5f32f037a8748bfd46102af066489316@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Replica/pull.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:03:02 -0500 REPLICA(1) REPLICA(1) NAME changes, pull, push, scan - client-server replica management SYNOPSIS replica/pull [ -cnsv ] name [ path ] replica/push [ -nv ] name [ path ] replica/changes name [ path ] replica/scan name [ path ] DESCRIPTION These shell scripts provide a simple log-based client-server replica management. The server keeps a log of changes made to its file system, and clients synchronize by reading the log and applying these changes locally. These scripts are a polished interface to the low-level tools described in replica(8). See replica(8) for details on the inner workings of replica management. These tools were written primarily as the fourth edition Plan 9 distribution mechanism, but they have wider applicability. For example, they could be used to synchronize one's home directory between a laptop and a central file server. Replicas are described by configuration files. The name in all the replica commands is a configuration file. Paths that do not begin with /, ./, or ../ are assumed to be rela- tive to $home/lib/replica. Configuration files are described below. Replica/scan is the only one of these programs that does not need to be run on the client. It scans the server file sys- tem for changes and appends entries for those changes into the server log. Typically it is run on a machine with a fast network connection to the server file system. Replica/pull copies changes from the server to the client, while replica/push copies changes from the client to the server. (Both run on the client.) If a list of paths is given, only changes to those paths or their children are copied. The -v flag causes pull or push to print a summary of what it is doing. Each status line is of the form 9 verb path serverpath mode uid gid mtime length 9 Verb describes the event: addition of a file (a), deletion of a file (d), a change to a file's contents (c), or a change to a file's metadata (m). Path is the file path on the client; serverpath is the file path on the server. Mode, uid, gid, and mtime are the file's metadata as in the Dir structure (see stat(5)). For deletion events, the meta- data is that of the deleted file. For other events, the Page 1 Plan 9 (printed 12/25/02) REPLICA(1) REPLICA(1) metadata is that after the event. The -n flag causes pull or push to print the summary but not actually carry out the actions. Push and pull are careful to notice simultaneous changes to a file or its metadata on both client and server. Such simultaneous changes are called conflicts. Here, simultane- ous does not mean at the same instant but merely that both changes were carried out without knowledge of the other. For example, if a client and server both make changes to a file without an intervening push or pull, the next push or pull will report an update/update conflict. If a conflict >>> is detected, both files are left the same. The -c flag to >>> pull causes updates to be resolved using the client's copy, >>> while -s specifies the server's copy. Typically these flags >>> are only used when invoking pull with a specific list of >>> files that are known to be conflicting. Replica/changes prints a list of local changes made on the client that have not yet been pushed to the server. It is like push with the -n flag, except that it does not check for conflicts and thus does not require the server to be available. The replica configuration file is an rc(1) script that must define the following functions and variables: servermount A function that mounts the server; run on both client and server. serverupdate A function that rescans the server for changes. Typi- cally this command dials a CPU server known to be close to the file server and runs replica/scan on that well- connected machine. serverroot The path to the root of the replicated file system on the server, as it will be in the name space after run- ning servermount. serverlog The path to the server's change log, after running servermount. serverproto The path to the proto file describing the server's files, after running servermount. Only used by scan. serverdb The path to the server's file database, after running Page 2 Plan 9 (printed 12/25/02) REPLICA(1) REPLICA(1) servermount. Only used by scan. clientmount A function to mount the client file system; run only on the client. clientroot The path to the root of the replicated file system on the client, after running clientmount. clientlog The path to the client's copy of the server log file. The client log is maintained by pull. clientproto The path to the proto file describing the client's files. Only used by changes. Often just a copy of $serverproto. clientdb The path to the client's file database, after running clientmount. clientexclude A (potentially empty) list of paths to exclude from synchronization. A typical use of this is to exclude the client database and log files. These paths are relative to the root of the replicated file system. As an example, the Plan 9 distribution replica configuration looks like: fn servermount { 9fs sources; bind /n/sources/plan9 /n/dist } fn serverupdate { status='' } serverroot=/n/dist s=/n/dist/dist/replica serverlog=$s/plan9.log serverproto=$s/plan9.proto fn clientmount { 9fs kfs } clientroot=/n/kfs c=/n/kfs/dist/replica clientlog=$c/client/plan9.log clientproto=$c/plan9.proto clientdb=$c/client/plan9.db clientexclude=(dist/replica/client) (Since the Plan 9 developers run scan manually to update the log, the clients need not do anything to rescan the file system. Thus serverupdate simply returns successfully.) The fourth edition Plan 9 distribution uses these tools to synchronize installations with the central server at Bell Page 3 Plan 9 (printed 12/25/02) REPLICA(1) REPLICA(1) Labs. The replica configuration files and metadata are kept in /dist/replica. To update your system, make sure you are connected to the internet and run disk/kfscmd allow replica/pull /dist/replica/network disk/kfscmd disallow To see a list of changes made to the local file system since installation, run replica/changes /dist/replica/network (Although the script is called network, since changes is a local-only operation, the network need not be configured.) SEE ALSO replica(8) Page 4 Plan 9 (printed 12/25/02) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 26 11:05:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 26 11:05:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10178 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2002 11:05:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10174 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 11:05:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 11:05:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F278119A76; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:05:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EDBA19A67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 25 21:04:22 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Wed Dec 25 21:04:21 EST 2002 Message-ID: <830277914297083effb26f3741185842@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Replica/pull.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:04:18 -0500 It occurs to me that all your auth problems are consistent with the cpu server not being able (or more likely, not knowing how) to contact the auth server. (I realize they're the same machine, but that doesn't preclude this from happening.) Run auth/debug at the cpu server console and see what it tells you. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 26 11:28:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 26 11:28:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10730 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2002 11:28:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10726 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 11:28:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 11:28:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97FC819A6A; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:28:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5073919A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBQ2Ltt28832 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:21:55 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Replica/pull.. In-Reply-To: <830277914297083effb26f3741185842@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: References: <830277914297083effb26f3741185842@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:21:55 -0500 (EST) Here is the output of /auth/debug and my /lib/ndb/local (as auth/debug is complaining about auth server..). Thanks for your patience. -ishwar --- cpu% auth/debug p9sk1 key: dom=cps.cmich.edu proto=p9sk1 user=bootes !hex? !password? cannot dial auth server: no auth server found for cps.cmich.edu csquery authdom=cps.cmich.edu auth=* failed csquery dom=cps.cmich.edu auth='' dial net!!ticket failed: cs: can't translate address cpu% cd /lib/ndb cpu% cat local # # files comprising the database, use as many as you like, see ndb(6) # database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common ipnet=141-net ip=141.209.0.0 ipmask=255.255.0.0 ipsubmask=255.255.240.0 dns=141.209.1.22 dnsdomain=cmich.edu ipnet=131-net ip=141.209.128.0 ipmask=255.255.240.0 ipgw=141.209.128.1 dns=141.209.131.10 dnsdomain=cps.cmich.edu ip=141.209.131.89 sys=gaya ether=000347a5f14d proto=il dom=gaya.cps.cmich.edu auth=gaya.cps.cmich.edu authdom=gaya.cps.cmich.edu cpu=gaya.cps.cmich.edu auth=sources.cs.bell-labs.com authdom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com --- On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Russ Cox wrote: > It occurs to me that all your auth problems > are consistent with the cpu server not being > able (or more likely, not knowing how) to > contact the auth server. (I realize they're the > same machine, but that doesn't preclude this > from happening.) > > Run auth/debug at the cpu server console > and see what it tells you. > > Russ > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 26 11:33:52 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 26 11:33:52 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10920 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2002 11:33:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10912 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 11:33:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 11:33:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 139D419A7F; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:33:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 247C819A6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:32:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 25 21:32:03 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Wed Dec 25 21:32:02 EST 2002 Message-ID: <16f5816d93aa4584749258b9a5cfd7c7@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Replica/pull.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:32:00 -0500 There's your problem. The p9sk1 key your CPU server is using has an auth domain of cps.cmich.edu. The entry for your auth server (gaya, I'm assuming) has an auth domain of gaya.cps.cmich.edu. You need to change one or the other. Either change the machine key with auth/wrkey and reboot, or change /lib/ndb/local and echo -n refresh >/net/cs. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 26 11:54:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 26 11:54:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 11588 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2002 11:54:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11584 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 11:54:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 11:54:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9428919A80; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA13D19A6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:53:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1fb47feac9ec80f8011ece49313c0b5b@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost there.. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:53:41 -0500 > How do I enable the second cpu (dual cpu pc) -- > removing the line > > *nomp=1 > > does not do it? if you're using the pcauth config file, you need to add a line archmp mp apic to the misc section of the config file, just as in the pccpu config file. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 26 19:41:35 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 26 19:41:35 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22991 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2002 19:41:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22987 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2002 19:41:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2002 19:41:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9BD519A83; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 05:41:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from web12804.mail.yahoo.com (web12804.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BF70719992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 05:40:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20021226104058.49936.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.174.156.16] by web12804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:40:58 CET From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Carlos=20L.M.?=" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Problems with a Digital monitor Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:40:58 +0100 (CET) Hi all, I have tried to install Plan9 on a Pentium 120. When setup starts detects vga card right (S3 Virge). But I see double images. My monitor is a Digital with this frequencies: HorizSync 48.36 VertRefresh 60.00 On the installation disk I have configured like a Multisync 65 Hz. How Can I modify plan9.ini to put it right frequencies ?? Thank you very much and sorry for my bad english. ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sorteos Consulta si tu n�mero ha sido premiado en Yahoo! Sorteos http://loteria.yahoo.es From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 27 12:56:41 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 27 12:56:41 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 330 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2002 12:56:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 326 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 12:56:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 12:56:29 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53918199ED; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:56:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from imf10bis.bellsouth.net (mail110.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.50]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6141E19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from murraystate.edu ([65.80.119.7]) by imf10bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.19 201-253-122-122-119-20020516) with ESMTP id <20021227035721.MOSG12552.imf10bis.bellsouth.net@murraystate.edu> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:57:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3E0BCF30.7070201@murraystate.edu> From: Jason Vowell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Problems with a Digital monitor References: <20021226104058.49936.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:55:28 -0600 mount /srv/9fat /n/dist /dev/sdC0/9fat sam /n/dist/plan9.ini or acme /n/dist/plan9.ini -jason Carlos L.M. wrote: > Hi all, > > I have tried to install Plan9 on a Pentium 120. When > setup starts detects vga card right (S3 Virge). But I > see double images. My monitor is a Digital with this > frequencies: > > HorizSync 48.36 > VertRefresh 60.00 > > On the installation disk I have configured like a > Multisync 65 Hz. > > How Can I modify plan9.ini to put it right > frequencies ?? > > Thank you very much and sorry for my bad english. > > > ___________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Sorteos > Consulta si tu n�mero ha sido premiado en > Yahoo! Sorteos http://loteria.yahoo.es > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 27 13:00:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 27 13:00:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 380 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2002 13:00:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 375 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 13:00:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 13:00:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BB1419988; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:00:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C78CB19988 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:59:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Russ Cox" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Problems with a Digital monitor In-Reply-To: <3E0BCF30.7070201@murraystate.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:59:55 -0500 You can change the monitor= setting in plan9.ini to try different pre-configured monitors, but that won't get you too far, especially if you have exact frequencies you need. You need to edit a:\vgadb and make yourself a monitor entry with the timings you want. http://extra.cmis.csiro.au/IA/talbot/everyone/video-modes.html is a good explanation of how video timings work. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 27 13:11:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 27 13:11:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 610 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2002 13:11:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 606 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 13:11:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 13:11:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D53B919A6F; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:11:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mcp.csh.rit.edu (mcp.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.9]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43B0C199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from csh.rit.edu (pool-151-201-121-67.pitt.east.verizon.net [151.201.121.67]) by mcp.csh.rit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6986CA11C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:09:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E0BFC9D.1060706@csh.rit.edu> From: George Gensure User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; IRIX IP32; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20021001 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] magicgraph 128 ZV Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:09:17 -0800 I'm trying to rebuild aux/vga with support for the magicgraph 128 ZV (did 0x0008), and I'm not really sure what I'm missing, beyond initializing the clock, memory size, and aperature. Currently, running aux/vga -l $vgasize will switch to graphics mode, then display a bunch of garbage and nothing more. It doesn't lock up the screen, but it does make it impossible for me to debug, since I can't switch back to an 80x24 console mode. Is there anyone out there with any experience with this graph board, or at least enough to know what differences there should be in accessing it, beyond the three I've already mentioned? Thanks, -George From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 27 13:20:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 27 13:20:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 701 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2002 13:20:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 697 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 13:20:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 13:20:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B8AD19A82; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:20:13 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 536E319A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:19:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 26 23:19:33 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Thu Dec 26 23:19:32 EST 2002 Message-ID: <4978882b439165f9a9752e8954c76c73@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] magicgraph 128 ZV From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: <3E0BFC9D.1060706@csh.rit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 23:19:27 -0500 The MagicGraphs that are supported are from the 2100 and 2200 series. The 128 ZV is from the 2000 series and is apparently different enough that you'll have to tweak some of init() to handle the differences. The XFree86 drivers have everything you need to know, but it's often not easy to extract that information. http://cvsweb.xfree86.org/cvsweb/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/neomagic/ Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 27 16:20:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 27 16:20:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3125 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2002 16:20:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3121 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 16:20:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 16:20:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA1DF19A84; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:20:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mcp.csh.rit.edu (mcp.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.9]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 520D519A70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:19:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from csh.rit.edu (pool-151-201-121-67.pitt.east.verizon.net [151.201.121.67]) by mcp.csh.rit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A606BA11C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:19:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E0C28CD.3090108@csh.rit.edu> From: George Gensure User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; IRIX IP32; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20021001 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] magicgraph 128 ZV References: <4978882b439165f9a9752e8954c76c73@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 02:17:49 -0800 Russ Cox wrote: >The XFree86 drivers have everything you need >to know, but it's often not easy to extract that >information. > That's an understatement. Reading that code is like pulling teeth. I've also been using the slightly more readable, but less full featured neofb.c in the linux kernel. (seems to have similar syntax and layout). I have no idea even where to start to figure out why the images are garbled... -George From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 27 20:35:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 27 20:35:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 6889 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2002 20:35:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6885 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2002 20:35:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2002 20:35:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 984CC19A6A; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:35:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D09019991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 27 06:34:48 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Fri Dec 27 06:34:47 EST 2002 Message-ID: <99b249533ab26e79161b6b9c3fef26df@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] magicgraph 128 ZV From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: <3E0C28CD.3090108@csh.rit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 06:34:44 -0500 > That's an understatement. Reading that code is like pulling teeth. > I've also been using the slightly more readable, but less full featured > neofb.c in the linux kernel. (seems to have similar syntax and layout). > I have no idea even where to start to figure out why the images are > garbled... The images are garbled because you are setting some register wrong. The trick is to figure out which register. The relevant file is neo_driver.c, and you want to find out what executes when nPtr->NeoChipset == NM2093 (or NM2097, if you have a ZV+) that's different from the NM2160 and the NM2200. Quickly scanning through, it looks like you might try commenting out: vgaxo(Grx, PanelHorizCenterReg4, vga->graphics[PanelHorizCenterReg4]); vgaxo(Grx, PanelVertCenterReg5, vga->graphics[PanelVertCenterReg5]); vgaxo(Grx, PanelHorizCenterReg5, vga->graphics[PanelHorizCenterReg5]); because those registers are only written for the later chipsets. Also, what did you put in as the f[1], vmz, and apz values? It looks to me like it should say vga->f[1] = 80000000; vga->vmz = 1152*1024; vga->apz = 16*1042*1024; If you were using f[1] = 90000000 (like the 128 XD in the driver) then that might explain your garbled screen. I'm very suspicious of vga->apz being that large. It looks to me like it's actually much smaller for all the cards, but as long as we don't touch memory that isn't there, nothing bad will happen. What does the "pci" command print on your system? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 28 00:31:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 28 00:31:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9341 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2002 00:31:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9332 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 00:31:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 00:31:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B8EE199B6; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:31:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 852DE19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBRFOf908664 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:24:41 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] vncs query.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:24:41 -0500 (EST) I tried to access vnc-server on Plan 9 box (cpu/auth) from a Linux box using vncviewer host:0 and the response was VNC server supports protocol version 3.3 (viewer 3.3) vncviewer: VNC server closed connection the server on Plan 9 box was started as vncs -v geometry is 1024x768 server started on display:0 announced /net/tcp/22 received call at /net/tc/23 init...handshake...server version: RFB 003.003 client version: RFB 003.003 auth..vncs: vncchal returned with error challenge/response works for drawterm and ssh connections. also which user can access the vncs is not clear to me. -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 28 00:33:15 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 28 00:33:15 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9354 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2002 00:33:14 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9350 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 00:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 00:33:14 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0068B199E3; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:33:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 327E9199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:32:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7346b36a07e658d927f2aca1225e8432@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs query.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:32:34 -0500 > also which user can access the vncs is not clear to me. the vncs runs as the user who starts it, and only that user can connect. if you started as bootes and logged in as ishwar, that would explain your problem. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 28 00:52:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 28 00:52:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9471 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2002 00:52:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9467 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 00:52:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 00:52:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B06FD199F2; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:52:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1B0219A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBRFitT08765 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:44:55 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Re: vncs query.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 10:44:55 -0500 (EST) Further progress on vncs on plan9 box and linux client server started with vncs -v ... client version: RFB 003.003 auth..client is shared screen 1024x768 [0 0] [1024 768] 16 bpp, 16 depth, 0x51625 chan, 1 truecolor, 0 bigendian hanshaking done display chan 0x51625, client chan 0x51625 translating image format encoding is zlibtight with copyrect vncs: don't know about encoding 7 Any ideas? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 28 02:33:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 28 02:33:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 10190 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2002 02:33:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10186 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 02:33:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 02:33:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8445C19A6D; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:33:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mcp.csh.rit.edu (mcp.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.9]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78F03199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from csh.rit.edu (pool-151-201-121-67.pitt.east.verizon.net [151.201.121.67]) by mcp.csh.rit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90C5A120 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:32:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E0CB8B3.8070407@csh.rit.edu> From: George Gensure User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; IRIX IP32; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20021001 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] magicgraph 128 ZV References: <99b249533ab26e79161b6b9c3fef26df@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:31:47 -0800 Russ Cox wrote: >Quickly scanning through, it looks like you might try commenting out: > > vgaxo(Grx, PanelHorizCenterReg4, vga->graphics[PanelHorizCenterReg4]); > vgaxo(Grx, PanelVertCenterReg5, vga->graphics[PanelVertCenterReg5]); > vgaxo(Grx, PanelHorizCenterReg5, vga->graphics[PanelHorizCenterReg5]); > > commenting these guys out doesn't do anything good, but i'm not terribly concerned about that. I know it was a shot in the dark, and I'll keep plugging. > vga->f[1] = 80000000; > vga->vmz = 1152*1024; > vga->apz = 16*1042*1024; > already have this implemented, with exactly those values. I agree about the aperature being dangerous, but it also wont be accessed with vmz set correctly. >that isn't there, nothing bad will happen. What does >the "pci" command print on your system? > > pci prints the following info relative to the neomagic card 0.20.0: 03.00.00 10c8/0003 255 0:3fc00008 4194304 thanks, -George From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 28 12:30:37 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 28 12:30:37 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 14962 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2002 12:30:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14958 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 12:30:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 12:30:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A18FE19A83; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:30:17 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A83419A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:29:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBS3Nbj09503 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:23:38 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] auth/cpu console.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:23:37 -0500 (EST) ON auth/cpu box console (dossrv already running): command a: results in mount: mount: /n/a: 'dev/fdodisk' file does not exist is there a way to mout the boot floppy? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 28 12:49:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 28 12:49:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 15054 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2002 12:49:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15050 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2002 12:49:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2002 12:49:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EA8F19A84; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:49:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D8D1199E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 27 22:48:05 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Fri Dec 27 22:48:04 EST 2002 Message-ID: <6c963eb72ccc4130404c2b955b59c11e@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] auth/cpu console.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:47:56 -0500 type bind -b '#f' /dev a: russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 00:13:32 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 00:13:32 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 23087 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 00:13:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23083 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 00:13:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 00:13:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 586AA199D5; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:13:14 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from trivia.worldwinner.com (unknown [209.202.131.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 543F519999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by trivia.worldwinner.com (Postfix, from userid 504) id 14A9ABDA6; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: John Saylor To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021228100933.B5562@trivia.worldwinner.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Resent-From: johns@worldwinner.com Resent-Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:12:06 -0500 Resent-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Resent-Message-Id: <20021228151206.14A9ABDA6@trivia.worldwinner.com> Subject: [9fans] install download issues Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:09:33 -0500 Hi I'm doing the install [again] and when I try and download the distribution it fails. I see this on the main window: bunzip2 < /n/kfs/dist/plan9.iso.bz2 > /n/kfs/dist/pla9.isobunzip2: decompress failed bunzip2 failed And in the lower right window it says this: % disk/kfs -n _dev_sdC0_fs -f /dev/sdC0/fs Mounting kfs file server for /dev/sdC0/fs % mount -c /srv/kfs._dev_sdC0_fs /n/kfs The install program prompts me for mountdist, but I don't think I've downloaded it correctly. When I ran download last night, The download window appeared and disappeared quickly. When I ran it this morning, it no rounte for 204.178.31.2, src :: free Which, I'm guessing, is because I need to reconfigure the network again. Also, the machine is behind a firewall with a private IP- does this change anything about networking config? My guess is that somehow the download is incomplete. In /dist I have these files: _plan9.iso _plan9.iso.bz2 plan9.iso.bz2 replica I can't get any more information on them with lc unless there are some flags I don't know about. Thanks for any help. -- .--- ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 01:41:34 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 01:41:34 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24092 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 01:41:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24088 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 01:41:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 01:41:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4041219995; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:41:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03F59199D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-10.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSGekhN058603 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:40:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.160.8]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBSGedI69529 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:40:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from jjmj301 (dharani.lra.lucent.com [135.255.41.90]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13523 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:40:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003201c2ae8f$d7292730$6401a8c0@jjmj301> From: "Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2AE65.E10200D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] Bug in Acme? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:40:10 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2AE65.E10200D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I found some strange behaviour in Acme. Everytime I right sweep '/' in Acme, a new window gets opened listing = the files and subdirectories under root directory. However, if I do it for, say '/sys', it opens a new window for '/sys' = directory if it doesnt exist, else it points to the existing window for = '/sys'. Bug? Or am I missing something? Regards dharani ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2AE65.E10200D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I found some strange behaviour in=20 Acme.
 
Everytime I right sweep '/' in Acme, a = new window=20 gets opened listing the files and subdirectories = under root=20 directory.
 
However, if I do it for, say = '/sys', it opens=20 a new window for '/sys' directory if it doesnt exist, else it = points to the=20 existing window for '/sys'.
 
Bug? Or am I missing = something?
 
Regards
dharani
 
------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2AE65.E10200D0-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 01:46:26 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 01:46:26 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24148 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 01:46:25 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24144 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 01:46:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 01:46:24 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14A2719A00; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:46:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4B3E19995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:45:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBSGlSt27283 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:47:28 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Bug in Acme? In-Reply-To: <003201c2ae8f$d7292730$6401a8c0@jjmj301> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:47:28 -0500 (EST) That seems consistent with my expectation of its behaviour. If you're trying to search for something in the doc by prepending a / (really only useful for regexps) you'll have to use Edit. Otherwise, drop the slash. Cheers, Sam On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > Hi, > > I found some strange behaviour in Acme. > > Everytime I right sweep '/' in Acme, a new window gets opened listing the files and subdirectories under root directory. > > However, if I do it for, say '/sys', it opens a new window for '/sys' directory if it doesnt exist, else it points to the existing window for '/sys'. > > Bug? Or am I missing something? > > Regards > dharani > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 01:46:47 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 01:46:47 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24156 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 01:46:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24152 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 01:46:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 01:46:46 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B479519A05; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:46:21 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (ns2.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4E81199D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-10.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by crufty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSGjYLI032019 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:45:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.160.8]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBSGjRI69704 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from jjmj301 (dharani.lra.lucent.com [135.255.41.90]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13572 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:45:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003601c2ae90$82dc3b30$6401a8c0@jjmj301> From: "Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2AE66.993E0130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: [9fans] KVM switch problem Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:45:20 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2AE66.993E0130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I use Belkin OmniCube KVM switch. Whenever I press SCROLL LOCK key twice = and press ARROW key (to move to another machine from Plan 9), I get two = void characters (called 'Peter face' or something?) displayed. When I = come back to Plan 9, I have to erase these two characters, if needed. = How can I avoid this? Regards dharani ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2AE66.993E0130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I use Belkin OmniCube KVM switch. = Whenever I press=20 SCROLL LOCK key twice and press ARROW key (to move to another machine = from Plan=20 9), I get two void characters (called 'Peter face' or something?) = displayed.=20 When I come back to Plan 9, I have to erase these two characters, if = needed. How=20 can I avoid this?
 
Regards
dharani
 
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C2AE66.993E0130-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 01:50:19 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 01:50:19 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24202 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 01:50:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24198 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 01:50:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 01:50:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98D2F19A06; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:50:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4508F199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:49:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBSGput27297 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:51:56 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] KVM switch problem In-Reply-To: <003601c2ae90$82dc3b30$6401a8c0@jjmj301> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:51:56 -0500 (EST) Buy a better KVM switch. Sam On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > Hi, > > I use Belkin OmniCube KVM switch. Whenever I press SCROLL LOCK key twice and press ARROW key (to move to another machine from Plan 9), I get two void characters (called 'Peter face' or something?) displayed. When I come back to Plan 9, I have to erase these two characters, if needed. How can I avoid this? > > Regards > dharani > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 02:02:20 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 02:02:20 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24366 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 02:02:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24362 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 02:02:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 02:02:18 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E7A819995; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:02:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A7C2199D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:01:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-10.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSH1shN058667 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.160.8]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBSH1mI70104 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:01:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from jjmj301 (dharani.lra.lucent.com [135.255.41.90]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13711 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:01:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <004e01c2ae92$cb6a6140$6401a8c0@jjmj301> From: "Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Bug in Acme? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:01:21 -0500 Sam, I am not sure if I explained the problem properly. My concern is that when I right sweep '/', say 5 times, I get five different windows displaying the contents of root directory, whereas when I right sweep, say '/sys', it opens only one window for '/sys' and points me to the same window thereafter. Now, is this what you are talking about? Regards dharani > That seems consistent with my expectation of its behaviour. > > If you're trying to search for something in the doc by prepending > a / (really only useful for regexps) you'll have to use Edit. > Otherwise, drop the slash. > > Cheers, > > Sam > > On Sat, 28 Dec > 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I found some strange behaviour in Acme. > > > > Everytime I right sweep '/' in Acme, a new window gets opened listing the files and subdirectories under root directory. > > > > However, if I do it for, say '/sys', it opens a new window for '/sys' directory if it doesnt exist, else it points to the existing window for '/sys'. > > > > Bug? Or am I missing something? > > > > Regards > > dharani > > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 02:06:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 02:06:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24410 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 02:06:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24406 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 02:06:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 02:06:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 097F419995; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:06:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14FC319995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:05:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-2-10.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gBSH5whN058685 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.160.8]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBSH5qI70151 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from jjmj301 (dharani.lra.lucent.com [135.255.41.90]) by bronx.dnrc.bell-labs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13767 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:05:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005401c2ae93$5cb53440$6401a8c0@jjmj301> From: "Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] KVM switch problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:05:44 -0500 Sam, Since it doesnt happen in other operating systems (Linux, FreeBSD and WinXX), I thought this needs some fix/cover-up in Plan 9. Are you saying the problem is in the device? Regards dharani > Buy a better KVM switch. > > Sam > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I use Belkin OmniCube KVM switch. Whenever I press SCROLL LOCK key twice and press ARROW key (to move to another machine from Plan 9), I get two void characters (called 'Peter face' or something?) displayed. When I come back to Plan 9, I have to erase these two characters, if needed. How can I avoid this? > > > > Regards > > dharani > > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 02:07:16 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 02:07:16 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24433 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 02:07:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24429 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 02:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 02:07:15 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5AE619A0C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:07:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4718C199DD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBSH8Ot27352 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:08:24 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Bug in Acme? In-Reply-To: <004e01c2ae92$cb6a6140$6401a8c0@jjmj301> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:08:24 -0500 (EST) Oof - sorry. Now that's a bug. ;) On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > Sam, > > I am not sure if I explained the problem properly. My concern is that when I > right sweep '/', say 5 times, I get five different windows displaying the > contents of root directory, whereas when I right sweep, say '/sys', it opens > only one window for '/sys' and points me to the same window thereafter. > > Now, is this what you are talking about? > > Regards > dharani > > > That seems consistent with my expectation of its behaviour. > > > > If you're trying to search for something in the doc by prepending > > a / (really only useful for regexps) you'll have to use Edit. > > Otherwise, drop the slash. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Sam > > > > On Sat, 28 Dec > > 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I found some strange behaviour in Acme. > > > > > > Everytime I right sweep '/' in Acme, a new window gets opened listing > the files and subdirectories under root directory. > > > > > > However, if I do it for, say '/sys', it opens a new window for '/sys' > directory if it doesnt exist, else it points to the existing window for > '/sys'. > > > > > > Bug? Or am I missing something? > > > > > > Regards > > > dharani > > > > > > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 02:18:38 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 02:18:38 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 24571 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 02:18:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24567 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 02:18:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 02:18:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E6E5199E4; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:18:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E254C19980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBSHJWt27370 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:19:32 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] KVM switch problem In-Reply-To: <005401c2ae93$5cb53440$6401a8c0@jjmj301> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:19:32 -0500 (EST) It sounds like the device isn't buffering up the scroll locks like it should. If the belkin is going to sniff some special key sequence off the keyboard, he should queue up the sequence such that if is keyed it remains in the kvm for some set timeout waiting for an up or down key sequence. Further, if the proper sequence *is* keyed, it certainly shouldn't be sent down to the connected pc (besides - which one do we choose to send it to? The prior connected one, or the new one?). All in all it seems to be a bad solution to the pseudo problem of "how can the user swap machines without having to touch the kvm?" Stick to the buttons on the box and hopefully this will go away. As an aside, the other OSs probably see a scroll lock on, scroll lock off - if they interpret the keycode at all. Cheers, Sam On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan wrote: > Sam, > > Since it doesnt happen in other operating systems (Linux, FreeBSD and > WinXX), I thought this needs some fix/cover-up in Plan 9. Are you saying the > problem is in the device? > > Regards > dharani > > > Buy a better KVM switch. > > > > Sam > > > > On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I use Belkin OmniCube KVM switch. Whenever I press SCROLL LOCK key twice > and press ARROW key (to move to another machine from Plan 9), I get two void > characters (called 'Peter face' or something?) displayed. When I come back > to Plan 9, I have to erase these two characters, if needed. How can I avoid > this? > > > > > > Regards > > > dharani > > > > > > > > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 05:21:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 05:21:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 26723 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 05:21:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26719 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 05:21:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 05:21:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C8E5199B7; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:21:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73036199D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBSKDck10990 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:13:39 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] auth/cpu console again.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:13:38 -0500 (EST) I tried bind -a '#f' /dev a; mount: can't open /srv/dos: permission denied .. Also ps | grep ps bootes 81 0:00 0:00 560K Pread dossrv .. and ls -l /dev/fd* --rw-rw---- f 0 bootes bootes 0 Dec 21 10:04 /dev/fd0ctl --rw-rw---- f 0 bootes bootes 1474560 Dec 21 10:04 /dev/fd0disk {similar entry for fd1..) -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 06:05:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 06:05:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 27171 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 06:05:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27167 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 06:05:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 06:05:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55BE019A0B; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:05:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DB3B199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:03:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto <9fans@cse.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] In-reply-to Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:03:45 -0500 When replying to a message with a message-id, upas now adds a In-Reply-To: header containing the original message number. This is for people that maintain converation threads this way. Also, /mail/box//pipefrom replaces /bin/upassend. If it exists, marshal pipes the prepared message to it rather than upas/send. In the case of replies, upas passes to it the upas/fs directory of the message being replied to in the env variable `replymsg'. You can use pipefrom for a number of things; saving copies of messages you send, making the reply address match the address the mail was sent to, adding recipients to your filter lists... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 12:28:29 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 12:28:29 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 31939 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 12:28:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31935 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 12:28:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 12:28:28 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3183319A05; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:28:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0B60199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBT3TVt28060 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:29:31 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] buglet fix Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:29:31 -0500 (EST) For the "look('/') opens more than one window" buglet. term% diff look.old look.c 637c637 < if(k>0 && t->file->name[k-1] == '/') --- > if(k>1 && t->file->name[k-1] == '/') Why are we eliding the final '/' anyway? Surely we're not worried about saving space ... Sam From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 12:33:22 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 12:33:22 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 32036 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 12:33:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32031 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 12:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 12:33:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15B6819A0D; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:33:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 741BE199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:32:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBT3YCt28070 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:34:12 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] buglet fix In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:34:12 -0500 (EST) 2 things - this was for the acme buglet aforementioned and I'm clearly having a brainfart for not realizing the importance of /sys and /sys/ evaluating the same. Sam On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Sam wrote: > For the "look('/') opens more than one window" buglet. > > term% diff look.old look.c > 637c637 > < if(k>0 && t->file->name[k-1] == '/') > --- > > if(k>1 && t->file->name[k-1] == '/') > > Why are we eliding the final '/' anyway? Surely we're not worried > about saving space ... > > Sam > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 13:54:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 13:54:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 581 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 13:54:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 577 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 13:54:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 13:54:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFFD619A2C; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:54:20 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2632219A1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:53:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Dec 28 23:53:09 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sat Dec 28 23:53:05 EST 2002 Message-ID: To: johns@worldwinner.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] install download issues From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: <20021228100933.B5562@trivia.worldwinner.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:53:10 -0500 You can get more information with ls -l. lc doesn't take any flags. If you remove plan9.iso.bz2 then it should download the file again. For paranoia's sake, try removing _plan9.iso.bz2 as well. Maybe it got corrupted on the download. You can also download it with a different system and burn it to a CD, of course. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 14:35:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 14:35:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1085 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 14:35:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1081 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 14:35:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 14:35:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B75CB19A0D; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:35:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (ampl.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09ABF199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 29 00:34:09 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sun Dec 29 00:34:08 EST 2002 Message-ID: <8647a90c84496d428588b267c7207b2e@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] stupid question - expansion of $var in dial strings From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: <1903510055@snellwilcox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:34:05 -0500 > What have I missed? The lookup is done by IP address. You could use ipnet=the-world ip=0.0.0.0 ipmask=0.0.0.0 ntp=gb.public.ntp.get-time.net I think, or something a little more specific. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 14:57:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 14:57:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 1458 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 14:57:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1454 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 14:57:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 14:57:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E638199D7; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:57:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from fbsd.acl.lanl.gov (fbsd.acl.lanl.gov [128.165.147.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D976F199D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 41312 invoked by uid 18927); 29 Dec 2002 05:49:18 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 05:49:18 -0000 From: andrey mirtchovski X-X-Sender: andrey@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20021228224446.X20666-100000@fbsd.acl.lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] now _this_ must be a nice holiday gift Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 22:49:18 -0700 (MST) i stumbled upon this well kept secret by accident: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0470849711.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg amazon says it's coming out in march 2003... care to shed some light anyone? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 16:38:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 16:38:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2643 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 16:38:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2639 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 16:38:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 16:38:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B598F19A19; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:38:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from 9srv.net (ip-64-32-179-37.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [64.32.179.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B043199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:37:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] now _this_ must be a nice holiday gift MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:34:11 -0500 um, yup: there's a book on Inferno on its way. :-) it's not really a "kept secret" so much as "lightly publicized" (since, y'know, it's nnot out yet). there's been mention of it several times on the inferno list run off topica.com. i've had the chance to look over draft copies of large sections of it, and it looks to be quite useful. there's also, i think, another Inferno book threatening to be published or released some time soon, if memory serves. beyond the memory that such a thing existed, and was done by someone not directly related to either VN or Bell Labs, i have no info on that one. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 16:55:36 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 16:55:36 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 2881 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 16:55:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2877 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 16:55:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 16:55:35 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2C7519A2F; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:55:23 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E960C199D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A62436E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:54:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 803B4275; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:54:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:54:19 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] now _this_ must be a nice holiday gift Message-ID: <20021229075419.GA85439@mero.morphisms.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 02:34:11AM -0500, a@9srv.net wrote: > there's also, i think, another Inferno book threatening to be published > or released some time soon, if memory serves. beyond the memory that > such a thing existed, and was done by someone not directly related to > either VN or Bell Labs, i have no info on that one. Amazon lists another book "Inferno Programming with Limbo" by Stanley-Marbell. Listed as not published, but 1st Ed. Jan. 18, 2002; Wiley lists it as coming out in March. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 29 17:15:25 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 29 17:15:25 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 3119 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2002 17:15:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3115 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2002 17:15:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2002 17:15:23 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3031519980; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:15:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from 9srv.net (ip-64-32-179-37.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [64.32.179.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45DAB19A1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:14:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] now _this_ must be a nice holiday gift MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 03:14:02 -0500 yup, that's the one. pip. again, mentioned on the inferno list once or twice at least, and the archives may have more information than i can muster from memory at 3:15. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 30 02:20:31 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 30 02:20:31 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 8978 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2002 02:20:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8974 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 02:20:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 02:20:30 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07CAF199BE; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:20:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FC6019A19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01268 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id gBTHJuw05382 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:19:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200212291719.gBTHJuw05382@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] install download issues In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:53:10 EST." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:19:56 -0500 > lc doesn't take any flags. Eh? It does on my system. If my window is wide enough, lc -l is kind of cool. Did it change? - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 30 02:25:21 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 30 02:25:21 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 9015 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2002 02:25:21 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9011 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 02:25:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 02:25:20 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3484119A2F; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:25:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E96B7199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:24:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 29 12:24:33 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sun Dec 29 12:24:30 EST 2002 Message-ID: <64c845174134e470db4a014b745638be@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] install download issues From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: <200212291719.gBTHJuw05382@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 12:24:28 -0500 > Eh? It does on my system. If my window is wide enough, lc -l is kind > of cool. Did it change? I'm wrong. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 30 10:12:27 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 30 10:12:27 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12057 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2002 10:12:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12053 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 10:12:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 10:12:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 484A01999B; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:12:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.131.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33FC3199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ishwar@localhost) by pali.cps.cmich.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBU14ec01835 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:04:40 -0500 From: Ish Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] ssh and BackSpace key.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:04:40 -0500 (EST) From a Linux box ssh -l user host works via challenge/response. Two questions: response to the challenge is not echoed when typed (normal?) using backspace-key discards what is typed and remote host prints prompt again.. ^h seems to backspace but does not update display (normal?) is there a trick to normal backspavce-key functionality? -ishwar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 30 10:20:23 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 30 10:20:23 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12143 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2002 10:20:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12139 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 10:20:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 10:20:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E36B119A04; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:20:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54043199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 29 20:19:23 EST 2002 Received: from 68.84.56.108 ([68.84.56.108]) by plan9; Sun Dec 29 20:19:21 EST 2002 Message-ID: <26fcb6a94efefe62a95642c32b75d4d7@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ssh and BackSpace key.. From: "Russ Cox" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:19:18 -0500 > response to the challenge is not echoed when typed (normal?) for unix ssh, yes. > using backspace-key discards what is typed and remote host > prints prompt again.. > ^h seems to backspace but does not update display (normal?) your ssh client is buggered. there's some way to tell it to send ^h when you type backspace, but i don't remember what it is. backspace is ^h. end of story. this is non-negotiable. as for the display update, your linux window probably wants us to echo ^h, space, ^h every time you type ^h, to clear the cell. i'd argue this is a client problem too. plan 9 is somewhat inflexible when it comes to what would typically be called terminal settings. that's part of its charm. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 30 10:42:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 30 10:42:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 12398 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2002 10:42:22 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12394 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 10:42:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 10:42:21 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDAF419A2D; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:42:10 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from mail.mightycheese.com (mail.mightycheese.com [209.61.186.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7952619A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [67.120.93.178] (HELO waakzaamheid.mightycheese.com) by mail.mightycheese.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with ESMTP id 419379 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:41:49 -0600 Message-ID: <2c1442afa887729b250f390f9d4e1efa@mightycheese.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ssh and BackSpace key.. From: "rob pike, esq." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:41:48 -0800 > using backspace-key discards what is typed and remote host > prints prompt again.. > ^h seems to backspace but does not update display (normal?) It's some shell peculiarity on Unix. Try stty sane once you connect. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 30 23:56:33 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 30 23:56:33 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19762 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2002 23:56:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19758 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 23:56:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 23:56:31 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F48819A68; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:56:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21A4719A3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from attbi.com (h0008029da289.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.218.223.34]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01) with SMTP id <20021230145514001003morve>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:55:14 +0000 Message-ID: <3E105E3E.2030900@attbi.com> From: AUSTIN WOODARD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] securing memory during password processing Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 09:54:54 -0500 Dear Rob Pike, Hi - my name is Austin Woodard, is was reading the P9 Security paper at the bell labs site and came across an unsolved problem of encrytion keys being left in memory and their being vulnerable to recovery by a system reset using a debugger. Why not use temporary allocated space in memory for their use and then delete at end of use by filling that space with all 0's or FF's. this would seem to make for more secure use of password and key handling. Although this process may add time to the running of the process it would seem necessary to prevent unwanted intrusions into ones computer. My e-mail address arwbutch@attbi.com and would appreciate a reply if you have time. Thanks for taking the time to consider this e-mail --- Austin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 31 00:09:24 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 31 00:09:24 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 19912 invoked by uid 1020); 31 Dec 2002 00:09:23 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19907 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 00:09:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 00:09:22 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 988D919A65; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:09:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (closedmind.org [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CF3B19A64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:08:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64e8486ec1051d40af1647708f747d0b@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: arwbutch@attbi.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] securing memory during password processing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:08:33 -0500 The problem is that there is no `end' should the system be reset. When the reset button gets hit, its all over. The next boot could be a system specially designed by the attacker. This is especially relevant for plan 9, since a typical way to shut down for people with diskless machines it to just reset the machine. However, it would be wise to zero memory should someone hit ctl-alt-del or ^t^tr. That's probably the most used scenario for bringing down the system. Factotum itself doesn't really exit and isn't killable but it would be nice if the kernel wipes any memory of any programs with 'private' set (i.e. those that have made themselves undebuggable by other processes) should the program exit. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 31 03:23:38 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 31 03:23:38 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 21149 invoked by uid 1020); 31 Dec 2002 03:23:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21145 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 03:23:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 03:23:27 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB0F219A74; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:23:12 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DDF219A6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBUIOrt02609 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:24:53 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] psh buglet Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:24:53 -0500 (EST) Since the source is a bit tangled, I'll leave it to someone else to find this buglet. ;) at an ape/psh prompt in a terminal window, type a command that scrolls off the screen (ar t /386/lib/libc.a does it for me). Hit delete. The next command entered seems to be ignored. Cheers, Sam From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 31 06:17:28 JST 2002 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 31 06:17:28 JST 2002 Received: (qmail 22422 invoked by uid 1020); 31 Dec 2002 06:17:26 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22418 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2002 06:17:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (130.203.4.6) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 31 Dec 2002 06:17:26 +0900 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6E2C19A74; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:17:11 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB28B19A74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from fine1008.math.princeton.edu (fine1008.math.princeton.edu [128.112.16.123]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBULGKg25107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:16:20 -0500 Received: from fine1008.math.princeton.edu (stalker@localhost) by fine1008.math.princeton.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBULGKH27091 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:16:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200212302116.gBULGKH27091@fine1008.math.princeton.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: John Stalker Subject: [9fans] VT8235 SouthBridge not recognized Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:16:20 -0500 Greetings, I just built a PC and installed plan9 on it. Everything worked with one exception. I get an error message from pcirouting telling me the South bridge was not recognized and is being ignored. The practical effect of this is that I have network connection on the machine under plan9. I would be grateful for any suggestions. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469