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Subject: [9fans] aha1542 -> kernel panic
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Hi,

I tried to add an Adaptec 1542B to a pc I hope to
use as a cpu server (to support DAT and CDROM drives)
and I get a panic (This is a dual Pentium Pro machine,
though I still have *nomp=1).

I have an ata disk but this is for swap.

I am booting the current installation floppy - but
I guess it must have an aha1542 driver as its doing
somthing!

Without the scsi0=aha1542 port=0x330 in plan9.ini
the machine boots fine.

The error I get is:

    panic: what ? up is zero pc 0x801a413d
    ktrace /kernel/path 80106720 800005c50
   <stack dump...>

I cannot see this error in ther kernel though there is
somthing similar in trap.c - maybe the error message
is getting overwritten by somthing else?

The card is setup for its default configuration from the adaptec manual
(apart from the BIOS and floppy being disabled, and the DMA
speed of 8MB/s) IE port=0x330 dma=5 irq=11.

Looking at the source (below) I wonder if the interrupt structure
has changed a bit since this code was written and the kernel
is more strict about stray interrupts than it used to be?

This is purely a guess. anyone any other / more concrete ideas?

ioalloc and irqalloc attached - BTW I get an error when I cat'ed
these devices: qlock 80186a14 nlocks 1. Dont know if this is relevant.
also the ports reported in /dev/sdstat don't tally with those in
/dev/ioalloc...

-Steve

sdmylex.c:
/*
  * Get the id, DMA and IRQ info from the board. This will
  * cause an interrupt which will hopefully not cause any
  * trouble because the interrupt number isn't known yet.
  * This is necessary as the DMA won't be set up if the
  * board has the BIOS disabled.
  *
  * If the IRQ is already known, this must be a 32-bit PCI
  * or EISA card, in which case the returned DMA and IRQ can
  * be ignored.
  */





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       0        f dma         =0A=
      20       21 i8259.0     =0A=
      40       43 i8253       =0A=
      60       60 kbd         =0A=
      61       61 i8253.cntr2c=0A=
      64       64 kbd         =0A=
      70       71 rtc/nvr     =0A=
      80       8f dma         =0A=
      a0       a1 i8259.1     =0A=
      d0       df dma         =0A=
     1f0      1f7 atacmd      =0A=
     2b0      2df vga         =0A=
     300      30f tcm509isa   =0A=
     3c0      3da vga         =0A=
     3f0      3f5 floppy      =0A=
     3f6      3f6 atactl      =0A=
     3f7      3f7 floppy      =0A=

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          3           0 debugpt=0A=
          7           0 mathemu=0A=
          9           0 mathover=0A=
         14           0 fault386=0A=
         16           0 matherror=0A=
         32           0 clock=0A=
         33           1 kbd=0A=
         35           3 COM2=0A=
         38           6 floppy=0A=
         42          10 ether0=0A=
         46          14 sdC (ata)=0A=

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sdC ata port 1F0 ctl 3F4 irq 14=0A=

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> I cannot see this error in ther kernel though there is
> somthing similar in trap.c - maybe the error message
> is getting overwritten by somthing else?

It's been a while since we rebuilt the install kernel,
so the message is just old.  It's the one from trap.c
that you found.  I reworded it a month or so ago
to make clear what was happening.


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someone has changed the message you get in the current kernel to

		panic("fault but up is zero; pc 0x%8.8lux addr 0x%8.8lux\n", ureg->pc, addr);

it's in trap.c/fault386 and means you have taken a page fault either in an
interrupt handler or during initialisation before the sceduler is started.

use the acid on the kernel binary with the addr given in the panic to
find where the fault happened and we can maybe track it down.

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Hi,

	The following program doesn't work when the user
hits the "exit" entry of the menu (by clicking the button 2).
It is derived from /sys/src/libthread/example.c [which doesn't
compile].

	According to acid, all procs are waiting a rendezvous:

At pc:0x00011aa8:rendezvous+0x7 /sys/src/libc/9syscall/rendezvous.s:5
rendezvous() /sys/src/libc/9syscall/rendezvous.s:3
	called from runthread+0x83 /sys/src/libthread/sched.c:127
runthread(p=0x00037dd8) /sys/src/libthread/sched.c:115
	called from _sched+0x99 /sys/src/libthread/sched.c:96
_sched() /sys/src/libthread/sched.c:81
	called from _schedinit+0x1a4 /sys/src/libthread/sched.c:77
_schedinit(arg=0x00037dd8) /sys/src/libthread/sched.c:27
	called from main+0x2a /sys/src/libthread/main.c:32
main(argc=0x00000001,argv=0x7fffefec) /sys/src/libthread/main.c:22
	called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16

	Any idea why ?

	Philippe,
	Happy new year.

----------------------------------------------
#include <u.h>
#include <libc.h>
#include <draw.h>
#include <thread.h>
#include <mouse.h>
#include <frame.h>

enum
{
	STACKSIZE = 2048,
};

void
clockproc(void *arg)
{
	int t, pid;
	Channel *c;

	pid = getpid();
	c = arg;
	for(t=0;; t++){
		sleep(1000);
		fprint(2, "[%d]clock->%d\n", pid, t);
		sendul(c, t);
		fprint(2, "[%d]clock->sendul\n", pid);
	}
}

struct mh {
	Mousectl *mctl;
	Channel *cmd;
	Channel *res;
};

void
menuhitproc(void *arg)
{
	struct mh *marg;
	int	t, pid;
	char *items[] = {
		"exit",
		nil
	};
	Menu menu = {
		items,
		nil,
		0
	};

	pid = getpid();
	marg = arg;
	for (;;) {
		t = recvul(marg->cmd);
  		t = menuhit(t, marg->mctl, &menu, nil);
		fprint(2, "[%d]menuhit->%d\n", pid, t);
		sendul(marg->res, t);
		fprint(2, "[%d]menu->sendul\n", pid);
	}
}

void
threadmain(int argc, char *argv[])
{
	int t, item;
	Mousectl *mctl;
  	Alt a[] = {
	//	 c		v		op
		{nil,	nil,	CHANRCV},			// 0:	mouse
		{nil,	nil,	CHANRCV},			// 1:	resize
		{nil,	&t,		CHANRCV},			// 2:	clock
		{nil,	&item,	CHANRCV},			// 3:	menuhit
		{nil,	nil,	CHANEND},
	};
	struct mh marg;
	int pid;

	USED(argc);
	USED(argv);

  	initdraw(0, 0, "frame");
	

	// create mouse event channel and process
	mctl = initmouse(0, screen);
  	a[0].c = mctl->c;
	a[1].c = mctl->resizec;

	// create clock event channel and process
	a[2].c = chancreate(sizeof(ulong), 0);
	proccreate(clockproc, a[2].c, STACKSIZE);

	// create menuhit channel and process
	a[3].c = chancreate(sizeof(ulong), 0);
	marg.mctl = mctl;
	marg.cmd = chancreate(sizeof(ulong), 0);
	marg.res = a[3].c;
	proccreate(menuhitproc, &marg, STACKSIZE);
	
	pid = getpid();
	for(;;){
		fprint(2, "[%d]main->alt\n", pid);
		switch(alt(a)){
		case 0:	// mouse event
			if (mctl->buttons & 2) {
				sendul(marg.cmd, 2);
				fprint(2, "[%d]main->sendul\n", pid);
			}
			if (mctl->buttons & 4)
				threadexitsall(nil);
			fprint(2, "[%d]main->click\n", pid);
			break;
		case 1: // resize event
			fprint(2, "[%d]main->resize\n", pid);
			break;
		case 2:	// clock event
			fprint(2, "[%d]main->tic\n", pid);
			break;
		case 3: // menu event
			fprint(2, "[%d]main->menu->%d\n", pid, item);
			break;
		default:
			sysfatal("can't happen");
		}
	}
}

----------------------------------------------
Here is the log with libthread compiled with :

	_threaddebuglevel =  DBGAPPL | DBGSCHED | DBGCHAN |
		DBGREND | DBGNOTE | DBGEXEC;

----------------------------------------------
noproc create thread -1.1 name threadmain
noproc readying -1.1
2211._ top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ running 2211.1
2211.1 chancreate 35658
2211.1 chancreate 362d8
2211.1 create thread -1.2 name <nil>
2211.1 readying -1.2
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ readying 2211.1
2211._ running 2211.1
2212._ top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211.1 chancreate 37d58
2212._ running 2212.2
2211.1 create thread -1.3 name <nil>
2211.1 readying -1.3
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ readying 2211.1
2211._ running 2211.1
2213._ top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211.1 chancreate 39018
2213._ running 2213.3
2211.1 chancreate 39058
2211.1 create thread -1.4 name <nil>
2211.1 readying -1.4
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ readying 2211.1
2214._ top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ running 2211.1
2214._ running 2214.4
[2211]main->alt
2214.4 Queuing alt 3a370 on channel 39058
2214.4 Rendezvous for tag 238412
2211.1 Queuing alt 23318 on channel 35658
2214.4 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 Queuing alt 2332c on channel 362d8
2214.4 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211.1 Queuing alt 23340 on channel 37d58
2214._ sleeping for more work
2211.1 Queuing alt 23354 on channel 39018
2211.1 Rendezvous for tag 144096
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ sleeping for more work
[2213]clock->0
2213.3 can rendez alt 38f24 chan 37d58
2213.3 rendez send alt 38f24 chan 37d58 alt 23340
2213.3 unlocking the chanlock
2213.3 chanlock is 0
2213.3 Rendezvous with thread 2211.1
2213.3 readying 2211.1
2213.3 waking process 2211
2213.3 pausing, state=Dead
2211._ running 2211.1
2213.3 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211.1 Woke after rendezvous; val is 0
2213._ readying 2213.3
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23318 from channel 35658
2213._ running 2213.3
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 2332c from channel 362d8
[2213]clock->sendul
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23340 from channel 37d58
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23354 from channel 39018
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ readying 2211.1
2211._ running 2211.1
[2211]main->tic
[2211]main->alt
2211.1 Queuing alt 23318 on channel 35658
2211.1 Queuing alt 2332c on channel 362d8
2211.1 Queuing alt 23340 on channel 37d58
2211.1 Queuing alt 23354 on channel 39018
2211.1 Rendezvous for tag 144096
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ sleeping for more work
2212.2 can rendez alt 37c64 chan 35658
2212.2 rendez send alt 37c64 chan 35658 alt 23318
2212.2 unlocking the chanlock
2212.2 chanlock is 0
2212.2 Rendezvous with thread 2211.1
2212.2 readying 2211.1
2212.2 waking process 2211
2212.2 pausing, state=Dead
2211._ running 2211.1
2212.2 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211.1 Woke after rendezvous; val is 0
2212._ readying 2212.2
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23318 from channel 35658
2212._ running 2212.2
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 2332c from channel 362d8
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23340 from channel 37d58
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23354 from channel 39018
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ readying 2211.1
2211._ running 2211.1
2211.1 can rendez alt 23298 chan 39058
2211.1 rendez send alt 23298 chan 39058 alt 3a370
2211.1 unlocking the chanlock
2211.1 chanlock is 0
2211.1 Rendezvous with thread 2214.4
2211.1 readying 2214.4
2211.1 waking process 2214
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2214._ running 2214.4
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2214.4 Woke after rendezvous; val is 0
2211._ readying 2211.1
2214.4 Dequeuing alt 3a370 from channel 39058
2211._ running 2211.1
2214.4 pausing, state=Dead
[2211]main->sendul
2214.4 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
[2211]main->click
2214._ readying 2214.4
[2211]main->alt
2214._ running 2214.4
2211.1 Queuing alt 23318 on channel 35658
2211.1 Queuing alt 2332c on channel 362d8
2211.1 Queuing alt 23340 on channel 37d58
2211.1 Queuing alt 23354 on channel 39018
2211.1 Rendezvous for tag 144096
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ sleeping for more work
2214.4 Queuing alt 3a26c on channel 35658
2214.4 Rendezvous for tag 238152
2212.2 can rendez alt 37c64 chan 35658
2214.4 pausing, state=Dead
2212.2 rendez send alt 37c64 chan 35658 alt 3a26c
2214.4 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2212.2 unlocking the chanlock
2214._ sleeping for more work
2212.2 chanlock is 0
2212.2 Rendezvous with thread 2214.4
2212.2 readying 2214.4
2212.2 waking process 2214
2212.2 pausing, state=Dead
2214._ running 2214.4
2212.2 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2214.4 Woke after rendezvous; val is 0
2212._ readying 2212.2
2214.4 Dequeuing alt 3a26c from channel 35658
2212._ running 2212.2
2214.4 pausing, state=Dead
2214.4 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2214._ readying 2214.4
2214._ running 2214.4
2214.4 Queuing alt 3a26c on channel 35658
2214.4 Rendezvous for tag 238152
2214.4 pausing, state=Dead
2214.4 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2214._ sleeping for more work
2212.2 can rendez alt 37c64 chan 35658
2212.2 rendez send alt 37c64 chan 35658 alt 23318
2212.2 unlocking the chanlock
2212.2 chanlock is 0
2212.2 Rendezvous with thread 2211.1
2212.2 readying 2211.1
2212.2 waking process 2211
2212.2 pausing, state=Dead
2211._ running 2211.1
2212.2 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211.1 Woke after rendezvous; val is 0
2212._ readying 2212.2
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23318 from channel 35658
2212._ running 2212.2
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 2332c from channel 362d8
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23340 from channel 37d58
2211.1 Dequeuing alt 23354 from channel 39018
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ readying 2211.1
2211._ running 2211.1
2211.1 Queuing alt 23298 on channel 39058
2211.1 Rendezvous for tag 143988
2211.1 pausing, state=Dead
2211.1 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2211._ sleeping for more work
[2213]clock->1
2213.3 Queuing alt 38f24 on channel 37d58
2213.3 Rendezvous for tag 233216
2213.3 pausing, state=Dead
2213.3 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2213._ sleeping for more work
2212.2 can rendez alt 37c64 chan 35658
2212.2 rendez send alt 37c64 chan 35658 alt 3a26c
2212.2 unlocking the chanlock
2212.2 chanlock is 0
2212.2 Rendezvous with thread 2214.4
2212.2 readying 2214.4
2212.2 waking process 2214
2212.2 pausing, state=Dead
2214._ running 2214.4
2212.2 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2214.4 Woke after rendezvous; val is 0
2212._ readying 2212.2
2214.4 Dequeuing alt 3a26c from channel 35658
2212._ running 2212.2
2214.4 pausing, state=Dead
2214.4 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2214._ readying 2214.4
2214._ running 2214.4
[2214]menuhit->0
2214.4 Queuing alt 3a378 on channel 39018
2214.4 Rendezvous for tag 238420
2214.4 pausing, state=Dead
2214.4 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2214._ sleeping for more work
2212.2 Queuing alt 37c64 on channel 35658
2212.2 Rendezvous for tag 228416
2212.2 pausing, state=Dead
2212.2 top of schedinit, _threadexitsallstatus=0
2212._ sleeping for more work
2211._ Got note hangup
2213._ Got note hangup
2212._ Got note hangup
2214._ Got note hangup
2211._ Unhandled note hangup, proc 20998

2213._ Unhandled note hangup, proc 37d98

2212._ Unhandled note hangup, proc 36318

2214._ Unhandled note hangup, proc 39098


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if you run acid -l thread, it loads some
useful functions.  one such function is
"stacks()", which prints the stack for all
the threads in all the procs of the program.

if you run this on your program, you see
(i've deleted all but the relevant lines):

acid: stacks()
------
	threadmain:
	0x00022328	1		Rendezvous 		alt(tag(*148068=0) 0: send(channel(223368)))

sendul(c=0x00036888,v=0x00000002) /sys/src/libthread/channel.c:231
	called from threadmain+0x254 /tmp/a.c:106
------
	mouseproc:
	0x000366c8	2		Rendezvous 		alt(tag(*240176=0) 0: send(channel(222792)))

send(c=0x00036648,v=0x0003aab4) /sys/src/libthread/channel.c:209
	called from _ioproc+0x149 /sys/src/libdraw/mouse.c:85
------
	0x00036788	3		Rendezvous 		alt(tag(*244856=0) 0: send(channel(223048)))

sendul(c=0x00036748,v=0x00000001) /sys/src/libthread/channel.c:231
	called from clockproc+0x63 /tmp/a.c:25
------
	0x000368c8	4		Rendezvous 		alt(tag(*249380=0) 0: send(channel(223304)))

sendul(c=0x00036848,v=0x00000000) /sys/src/libthread/channel.c:231
	called from menuhitproc+0xad /tmp/a.c:57
------

the problem is that the menuhitproc and main are
both reading from the mouse.  main got a new mouse
event to send to menuhitproc, and menuhitproc is
trying to send its result to main at the same time.
perhaps you should wait for the menuhitproc to
send its result before waiting for more mouse ops.

you could change a[0].op to CHANNOP after sending
to menuhitproc and then change it back after getting
the result.

i don't see why it's a separate proc.  you might want
main not to stop processing clock ticks while you
wait for the menu event, i guess, but even then you
could do that with a thread rather than a proc.  

russ


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> Without the scsi0=aha1542 port=0x330 in plan9.ini
> the machine boots fine.

There's the clue.  The plan9.ini line should be

scsi0=type=aha1542 port=0x330

Without the "type=" field, isa.type is left as a null pointer and
this line

		if(strcmp(isa.type, "aha1542"))
			continue;

causes the panic.

There are other places in the kernel where a similar panic could
occur.  In the absence of thorough syntax-checking of plan9.ini,
may I suggest adding a defensive

	isa->type = "";

to the beginning of /sys/src/9/pc/main.c:/^isaconfig/ ?

-- Richard Miller


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At 23:35 31/12/02 -0500, you wrote:
>if you run acid -l thread, it loads some
>useful functions.

Is there any doc about these functions/libs ?

>the problem is that the menuhitproc and main are
>both reading from the mouse.  main got a new mouse
>event to send to menuhitproc, and menuhitproc is
>trying to send its result to main at the same time.
>perhaps you should wait for the menuhitproc to
>send its result before waiting for more mouse ops.

With some 'threadsetname()' and the acid function
threads(), I saw the problem. Thanks.

>you could change a[0].op to CHANNOP after sending
>to menuhitproc and then change it back after getting
>the result.

I've just made this fix and now it works.


>i don't see why it's a separate proc.  you might want
>main not to stop processing clock ticks while you
>wait for the menu event, i guess, but even then you
>could do that with a thread rather than a proc.

I didn't realize that my thread/proc 'menuhit' could
yield the the processor waiting the mouseproc channel.
Now, it is a thread.

         Thank you,
         Philippe.

---------------------------------------------th_exmpl.c----

#include <u.h>
#include <libc.h>
#include <draw.h>
#include <thread.h>
#include <mouse.h>
#include <frame.h>

enum
{
         STACKSIZE = 2048,
};

static void
clockproc(void *arg)
{
         int t;
         Channel *c;

         threadsetname("clockproc");
         c = arg;
         for(t=0;; t++){
                 sleep(1000);
                 sendul(c, t);
         }
}

struct mh {
         Mousectl *mctl;
         Channel *cmd;
         Channel *res;
};

static void
menuhitthread(void *arg)
{
         struct mh *marg;
         int     t;
         char *items[] = {
                 "exit",
                 nil
         };
         Menu menu = {
                 items,
                 nil,
                 0
         };

         threadsetname("menuhitthread");
         marg = arg;
         for (;;) {
                 t = recvul(marg->cmd);
                 t = menuhit(t, marg->mctl, &menu, nil);
                 sendul(marg->res, t);
         }
}

void
threadmain(int argc, char *argv[])
{
         int tick, item;
         Mousectl *mctl;
         Alt a[] = {
         //       c              v               op
                 {nil,   nil,    CHANRCV},                       // 0:   mouse
                 {nil,   nil,    CHANRCV},                       // 1:   resize
                 {nil,   &tick,  CHANRCV},                       // 2:   clock
                 {nil,   &item,  CHANRCV},                       // 
3:   menuhit
                 {nil,   nil,    CHANEND},
         };
         struct mh marg;

         USED(argc);
         USED(argv);

         initdraw(0, 0, "frame");

         // create mouse event channel and process
         mctl = initmouse(0, screen);
         a[0].c = mctl->c;
         a[1].c = mctl->resizec;

         // create clock event channel and process
         a[2].c = chancreate(sizeof(ulong), 0);
         proccreate(clockproc, a[2].c, STACKSIZE);

         // create menuhit channel and process
         a[3].c = chancreate(sizeof(ulong), 0);
         marg.mctl = mctl;
         marg.cmd = chancreate(sizeof(ulong), 0);
         marg.res = a[3].c;
         threadcreate(menuhitthread, &marg, STACKSIZE);

         for(;;){
                 switch(alt(a)){
                 case 0: // mouse event
                         if (mctl->buttons & 2) {
                                 a[0].op = CHANNOP;
                                 sendul(marg.cmd, 2);
                         }
                         if (mctl->buttons & 1)
                                 fprint(2, "button1 ");
                         if (mctl->buttons & 4)
                                 fprint(2, "button4 ");
                         break;
                 case 1: // resize event
                         fprint(2, "resize ");
                         break;
                 case 2: // clock event
                         fprint(2, "tic%d ", tick);
                         break;
                 case 3: // menu event
                         a[0].op = CHANRCV;
                         fprint(2, "menu%d ", item);
                         if (item == 0)
                                 threadexitsall(nil);
                         break;
                 default:
                         sysfatal("can't happen");
                 }
         }
}
---------------------------------------------------------------- 


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> There are other places in the kernel where a similar panic could
> occur.  In the absence of thorough syntax-checking of plan9.ini,
> may I suggest adding a defensive
> 
> 	isa->type = "";
> 
> to the beginning of /sys/src/9/pc/main.c:/^isaconfig/ ?
> 
> -- Richard Miller
> 

done

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Hi,

	Does a simple libframe example exist ?
	(a la /sys/src/libthread/example.c but without syntax error).

	Philippe,

---------------------------
term% 8c /sys/src/libthread/example.c
/sys/src/libthread/example.c:35 name not declared: mousechan
/sys/src/libthread/example.c:67 name not declared: STACKSIZE
/sys/src/libthread/example.c:71 name not declared: STACKSIZE


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> Is there any doc about these functions/libs ?

no, just look at /sys/lib/acid/thread.


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I assume that I am more or less on my own on this one.  I poked around
a bit in pci.c.  The VT8235 is reporting a vid of 0x1106, as it should since
it is a VIA chip, and a did of 0x3177.  The latter doesn't match the sb_did
field of the elements of the array southbridges.  I could just try adding
a new entry, but I don't have any clear idea what that will do.  Can anyone
tell me where the sb_did field of southbridge gets used?  It is certainly not
in pci.c itself.  Assuming that I do this--it can't do much harm as it is
a fresh install--how do I make sure everything which needs to be updated is
updated?  In particular, the error is first reported by 9load on my boot
floppy as near as I can determine.  The second error message I think
comes from the loaded kernel.
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The table gets used in pci.c

	for(i = 0; i != nelem(southbridges); i++)
		if(sbpci->vid == southbridges[i].vid && sbpci->did == southbridges[i].did)
			break;

Might as well try adding a new entry and see what happens.
After doing that, 

	cd /sys/src/9/pc
	mk 'CONF=pcdisk'
	9fat:
	acme /n/9fat/plan9.ini

and add 

	bootfile=sdC0!fs!/sys/src/9/pc/9pcdisk

to plan9.ini (leave the old bootfile= line too)
and it will prompt you at boot to choose a kernel.

Russ


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Hi,

Thanks to Russ and Matt for helping with my problems,
it was my badly formed plan9.ini entry causing the panic.

I haven't completely sorted the 1542 yet but I want
to experiment more before I bother the list again, I have
a nasty feeling that its just double termination.

My latest problem is how do I regenerate 9pcflop.gz?

Looking at the list archives I first did
    cd /sys/lib/dist/bin/386 ; mk install
and then
    cd /sys/src/9/pc ; mk 'CONF=pcflop'

This still complains about not having found 2 files:
    bzroot.root.8
    bzfs.root.8

I edited /sys/src/9/pc/mkfile to add:
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      ../port/mkroot /sys/lib/dist/bin/386/bzfs bzfs

But that only got me one of the files and a nasty feeling
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Any help appreciated,

Happy new year everyone!

-Steve



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Thanks for your help.  I can boot the new kernel.  I still get the error
message from 9load, because it hasn't changed on the floppy, but I no longer
get a message from the kernel.  I now have a /dev/pci with lots of odd looking
stuff.  I don't have a /dev/ether0, though.  Any pointers on how to interpret
the contents of /dev/pci?
				John

>The table gets used in pci.c
>
>	for(i = 0; i != nelem(southbridges); i++)
>		if(sbpci->vid == southbridges[i].vid && sbpci->did == southbridges[i].did)
>			break;

>Might as well try adding a new entry and see what happens.
>After doing that, 
>
>	cd /sys/src/9/pc
>	mk 'CONF=pcdisk'
>	9fat:
>	acme /n/9fat/plan9.ini
>
>and add 
>
>	bootfile=sdC0!fs!/sys/src/9/pc/9pcdisk
>
>to plan9.ini (leave the old bootfile= line too)
>and it will prompt you at boot to choose a kernel.
>
>Russ





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The best way to interpret the contents
of /dev/pci is to run the "pci" command,
which shows the pci device numbers, vid/did pairs, 
and config spaces.

The raw files aren't really for human consumption.

Russ


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I recall a service like dossrv for Linux ext2fs system but
could not locate it in source tree?

-ishwar


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> I recall a service like dossrv for Linux ext2fs system but
> could not locate it in source tree?

There was one written by someone in France
more than a few years ago.  I'm not sure how well it ever
worked.  I used it for the third edition release
installer but had to fix a bug in the ext2 directory
entry parser.  Ext2srv was old even then.  I can only
assume that the ext2 format had changed since the
program was written.  That scared me enough that
I changed ext2srv to open the disk in read-only mode
(it was only used to read the install's .9gz archive).

It has never been in /sys/src, though in the third
edition it was in /sys/lib/pcdist/cmd, with all the
other install-specific programs.  I didn't bother
updating to speak 9P2000 (fourth edition), so now not
even the installer uses it.

This comes up about once a year.
If someone wanted to do the work of keeping
it up to date, I get the impression that there are
a few people on the list who would find it useful.

Then again, ext3 will be all the rage soon enough.

Russ


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Hi,

Sorry, it was Richard of course whom
I should have credited with solving my problem.

Thanks again,

-Steve



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Somone at  univ-paris8.fr wrote it based on tarfs,
and I think it was only ever ported for the 2nd release of Plan9.

I have a copy of that old code on a CD somwhere but it
perhaps somone has a unpdated version ?

-Steve

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> 
> I recall a service like dossrv for Linux ext2fs system but
> could not locate it in source tree?
> 
> -ishwar
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Plan9 looks like it would be a competitor to software like MPI for 
parallel computation.  Does anybody use it that way?  Has there been 
much success?

RM

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Hi,

ps2pdf fails when run with one arg (write
pdf to stdout), reporting the error
"Unable open the initial device, quitting" 

This is also a common error if gs cannot open its output file.
 
ghostscript refuses to write to /dev/fd1, maybe it closes
stdout when given a filename? - I haven't waded through
the source as there is an easy fix.

Simply remove the two if() statements in /rc/bin/ps2pdf  which change
the missing input and output filenames from - to /fd/0 and /fd/1,
gs gives minus the special meaning we need.

-Steve


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Hi,

For the archives, the IBM FRU75H9213 video card -
a Trio64V+ with a de-populated PCB and an IBM BIOS
does not work with Plan9.

aux/vga appears to recconise it and trys to initialise it but
it causes a Kernel panic:

    mmukmap2: pa 80000000 entry 163

I am not trying to report a bug, just warn other prople who might
hit the same problem - I just changed the graphics card and
everything was OK.

-Steve

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Hi,

I tried to add an Adaptec 1542B to a pc I hope to
use as a cpu server (for DAT and CDROM support)
and I get a panic (This is a dual Pentium Pro machine,
though I still have *nomp=1).

I am booting at present using just the current
installation floppy - but I guess it must have an
aha1542 driver as its doing somthing!

Without the scsi0=aha1542 port=0x330 in plan9.ini
the machine boots fine.

The error I get is:
panic: what ? up is zero pc 0x801a413d
ktrace /kernel/path 80106720 800005c50

I cannot see this error in ther kernel though there is
somthing similar in trap.c - maybe the error message
is getting overwritten by somthing else?

The card set for its default configuration (apart from
the BIOS and floppy being disabled).

Looking at the source (below) I wonder if the interrupt structure
has changed a bit since this code was written and the kernel
is more strict about stray interrupts than it used to be?

This is purely a guess. anyone any other / more concrete ideas?

-Steve

sdmylex.c:
/*
  * Get the id, DMA and IRQ info from the board. This will
  * cause an interrupt which will hopefully not cause any
  * trouble because the interrupt number isn't known yet.
  * This is necessary as the DMA won't be set up if the
  * board has the BIOS disabled.
  *
  * If the IRQ is already known, this must be a 32-bit PCI
  * or EISA card, in which case the returned DMA and IRQ can
  * be ignored.
  */

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I fixed some bugs in ext2srv and updated it for 9P2000 -- this was announced
in comp.os.plan9 on 13 May 2002.  I've been using it (for reading and writing)
ever since, though of course I offer no guarantee of its correctness.

I did offer the update to the Labs, but it was rather curtly rejected by Rob.

Anyone who wants a copy is welcome to email me.

-- Richard


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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:44:44AM +0000, Richard Miller wrote:
> 
> I did offer the update to the Labs, but it was rather curtly rejected by Rob.
> 
Hm...

> Anyone who wants a copy is welcome to email me.
> 
I'd prefer to download it from Nemo's web site, given that sources
seems out of bounds.  If that won't do, I'm still interested.

++L

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I don't think I have it in our web server.
Its author could just drop a line with the url where to get it.
If it cant be done that way, I don't mind linking it at our web site.

But it would be much better IMHO to get it integrated with the distribution.
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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 11:44:44AM +0000, Richard Miller wrote:
> 
> I did offer the update to the Labs, but it was rather curtly rejected by Rob.
> 
Hm...

> Anyone who wants a copy is welcome to email me.
> 
I'd prefer to download it from Nemo's web site, given that sources
seems out of bounds.  If that won't do, I'm still interested.

++L
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On Thu, Jan 02, 2003 at 01:38:02PM +0100, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote:
> 
> I don't think I have it in our web server.
> Its author could just drop a line with the url where to get it.
> If it cant be done that way, I don't mind linking it at our web site.
> 
Oops, I keep tripping myself by trying to be concise.  I meant that
I would like you to add the code to your collection of downloadable
Plan 9 contributions.

> But it would be much better IMHO to get it integrated with the distribution.
> If Rob or anyone else had objections, I think it would be better to address
> them and then perhaps get the thing integrated. Just a suggestion.

I couldn't agree more.  Richard's statement suggests that Bell Labs
are not (were not, at the time) prepared to negotiate.

++L

PS: It seems to me that often it is a matter of support that inhibits
the addition of applications to the Plan 9 distribution.  I don't
have a ready solution to the problem, but perhaps identifying the
cause will go a little way towards solving it.

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Hi,

Attached are diffs for ftpfs to make it happier
with Netware4.

One fix, the Netware ftp server will not allow
a CWD to a path which starts with two slashes.

A bug in ftpfs does exactly this if the remote mount
point is '/' and  thus you cannot access anything
below the root directory on the server.

Also a few tweeks to parse the new LIST -L format.

Share and enjoy.

-Steve


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53c53=0A=
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< 			d.mode =3D nw_mode(field[0][0], field[1]);=0A=
< 			d.length =3D atoi(field[3]);=0A=
< 			if(strchr(field[6], ':'))=0A=
< 				d.atime =3D cracktime(field[4], field[5], nil, field[6]);=0A=
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< 				d.atime =3D cracktime(field[4], field[5], field[6], nil);=0A=
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1394c1383=0A=
< 	if(s_len(path) > 0 && strcmp(s_to_c(path), "/") !=3D 0)=0A=
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< 		mode &=3D ~0222;=0A=
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It should be pointed out that having your south bridge
recognized by the kernel is entirely optional.  It is used
to implement workarounds for bad BIOSes on a very
small percentage of machines.  The message that you were
getting is only a warning.

I'd be cautious about adding new types of south bridges
without first consulting the data sheets for the parts in
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I added the tweeks to our source tree.  There seems to
be a problem with the fs on sources so I haven't updated
the official source tree yet, but I will soon.

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Russ Cox writes:

 > Then again, ext3 will be all the rage soon enough.
 > 

Hmm I think that it is backwards compatible with ext2, so supporting ext2 would
work for a long time...
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paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es wrote:

> Russ Cox writes:
> > Then again, ext3 will be all the rage soon enough.
>
> Hmm I think that it is backwards compatible with ext2, so supporting ext2 would
> work for a long time...

AFAIK, ext3 is just ext2 with a journaling extension.

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Hi,

Sorry, I diff'ed the wrong version of the file and missed this change last
night.

The below is another change to proto.c.

It asks  the server use long filenames where it can (our ftp server
uses 8.3 by default and so I get Windows style munged filenames
without this change).

BTW when I synchronised against sources today I got hundreds
of directories as having been "locally modified", not really a problem
but its nice to see a short list of modified files which allows me to
check what I have fiddled with. Is there an easy way to synchronise
only these directories and not the directory's contents?

-Steve

diff /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/ftpfs/proto.c proto.c 
54d53
< 
216a216,223
>       case NetWare:
>               /*
>                * Request long, rather than 8.3 filenames,
>                * where the Servers & Volume support them.
>                */
>               sendrequest("SITE LONG", nil);
>               getreply(&ctlin, msg, sizeof(msg), 0);
>               /* FALL THRU */
219d225
<       case NetWare:


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Hi,

Sorry, I diff'ed the wrong version of the file and missed this change last
night.

The below is another change to proto.c.

It asks  the server use long filenames where it can (our ftp server
uses 8.3 by default and so I get Windows style munged filenames
without this change).

BTW when I synchronised against sources today I got hundreds
of directories as having been "locally modified", not really a problem
but its nice to see a short list of modified files which allows me to
check what I have fiddled with. Is there an easy way to synchronise
only these directories and not the directory's contents?

-Steve

diff /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/ftpfs/proto.c proto.c 
54d53
< 
216a216,223
>       case NetWare:
>               /*
>                * Request long, rather than 8.3 filenames,
>                * where the Servers & Volume support them.
>                */
>               sendrequest("SITE LONG", nil);
>               getreply(&ctlin, msg, sizeof(msg), 0);
>               /* FALL THRU */
219d225
<       case NetWare:

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hola,
anybody knows where I can find abstract 
of a talk on Brazil given by Rob Pike 
(was at http://plan9.wtf.nyc.ny.us/brazil.html)?
 
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Hi,

Attached is a bit of hget + rc + sam -d to get recent AP newswire
stories.

It has two modes - without an arg it lists the stories, with one it
prints that story.

The if statement seems to confuse the here document syntax of rc and it
start interpreting the tmp file as commands - all very odd.

If I remove the if statement and implement the program as two scripts
envoked seperately it works so the basic code must be right... I think.

I tried running the sam -d here document in a subshell ( @{...} )
but it still did the same thing.

Confused of Winchester,

-Steve



 

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Here documents have to come after all the braces
have been closed, so you say

if(foo){
	cat <<EOF
	echo hi
}
Hello world
EOF

and not

if(foo){
	cat <<EOF
Hello world
EOF
	echo hi
}

it is admittedly very strange.


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the replica database on sources is not well.
something broke when the disk was full yesterday.

i will be looking at it shortly, but for now
i have set the plan9.log and plan9.db files mode 0,
which gives the cryptic

	cmp: cmp 4351: open

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Thanks for the help Russ,

You  are quite correct - the EOF must go in the first collumn, however I still
get weird results,
simplified script below - I would expect it to print ls twice, but it prints it
once and gives
a directory listing the second time!

-Steve



 

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Perhaps I wasn't clear.  It's not just
that EOF2 has to go in the first column.
The here document does not start until all the
braces close.

If you want the second example to print "ls | mc"
rather than run that command, you have to say

{
	cat <<'EOF2'
	other commands here
}
# here document for cat starts here
ls | mc
EOF2


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Thanks very much Russ, 

The day saved again!

-Steve



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Using google I found this:

Abstracts
(Added as they become available)

Brazil
Rob Pike

With Plan 9 in production use, for example as the provider of Internet 
directory service for AT&T 800 numbers, operating systems research in 
our center has moved to a new system, called Brazil. Research topics 
being addressed in Brazil center on higher-performance machines and, 
particularly, networks. A new in-house 300 megabit/s switched fiber 
network increases the potential bandwidth between machines by at least 
an order of magnitude; our aim is to realize and exploit that bandwidth. 
The overall design is to eliminate unnecessary overhead, particularly by 
restructuring and redesigning where necessary to avoid copying data from 
element to element along the communications path. For example, the 
graphics model of the system has been completely replaced. Brazil uses a 
data-based model in which applications transmit graphical udpates as 
rectangular blocks of pixels to be written directly to the screen or 
window, rather than the traditional description of how to draw the 
update. This unifies traditional user interfaces and video at the lowest 
levels of the system, which, coupled with the model of the file name 
space inherited from Plan 9, makes it possible to display video on the 
display under control of the window system but without the window system 
needing to touch the data: the application can drive the display 
directly. Most of this software (except the operating system kernel) is 
written in a new concurrent systems programming language, Alef, which 
makes it easy to write multi-process servers and applications that can 
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sources is working again.


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I found it too but I thought this is another paper

-kyxap

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Heya,

Occasionally if I'm not paying attention I'll boot my laptop without
the network cable plugged into my pcmcia card.  Doing so means I get
no link light on the card when i do plug it in.  How might I kick 
the driver to refresh or otherwise reload itself?

I'll also occasionally knock the cable out while booted from the
network (non kfs).  If the cable remains out long enough my link
with the fs server (i believe) dies at which point I've found my only
option to be to reboot.  Any way to avoid this?

I haven't looked at the internal interface to pcmcia, but the external
is awful for us klutzes.  I can't count how many cables/cards I've
broken over the years.

Cheers,

Sam

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i believe plan9 does not yet support hotplugging (hotswap) devices. there is
some code to do this in the bitsy kernel, but not the 386 one.

as for your other question, if the connection to the file server is lost the
only option seems to be to reboot.. i'm not sure whether aan ('always available
network') may help you with this -- i haven't tried it...

andrey


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Hello,

cpdir and Pegasus are updated:
http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/netlib/cmd/cpdir/cpdir-1.3.tgz
http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/netlib/pegasus-2.0.tgz

Japanese manual for Pegasus is:
http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/pegasus/man-2.0

English manual for Pegasus is:
http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/pegasus/eman-2.0

Please send me bug report if you find.

Kenji Arisawa
E-mail: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp


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Hi Roman,

> Of course, good old:
>      
>      if ((a = do_it()) == BadThingHappened)
>           return TellEmAboutIt;
> 
> works, but costs a little bit too much when clarity is needed.
> Especially when a "transaction" like pattern is needed ( e.g. I need
> to to have o1 = f1(); o2 = f2(); o3 = f3(); but if any of f* fails, I
> have to destroy what I've got so far ). 

A common way of doing this is using goto.

        failed = 1;

        if ((res1 = lock(A) == 0) {
            goto releaseA;
        }
        if ((res2 = lock(B) == 0) {
            goto releaseB;
        }
        if ((res3 = lock(C) == 0) {
            goto releaseC;
        }

        foo(res1, res2, res3);
        failed = 0;

    releaseC:
        release(C);
    releaseB:
        release(B);
    releaseA:
        release(A);

        return failed;

Cheers,

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Or

        failed = 1;
        if ((res1 = lock(A) != 0)
	        if ((res2 = lock(B) != 0) {
		        if ((res3 = lock(C) != 0) {
				foo(res1, res2, res3);
				failed = 0;
			}
	if (res3 != 0)
        		release(C);
	if (res2 != 0)
        		release(B);
	if (res1 != 0)
        		release(A);

        return failed;

avoiding the goto.

Further, if release(nil) is implemented as a noop you can have

        failed = 1;
        if ((res1 = lock(A) != 0)
	        if ((res2 = lock(B) != 0) {
		        if ((res3 = lock(C) != 0) {
				foo(res1, res2, res3);
				failed = 0;
			}
	release(C);
	release(B);
	release(A);

        return failed;

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Hi Roman,

> Of course, good old:
>      
>      if ((a = do_it()) == BadThingHappened)
>           return TellEmAboutIt;
> 
> works, but costs a little bit too much when clarity is needed.
> Especially when a "transaction" like pattern is needed ( e.g. I need
> to to have o1 = f1(); o2 = f2(); o3 = f3(); but if any of f* fails, I
> have to destroy what I've got so far ). 

A common way of doing this is using goto.

        failed = 1;

        if ((res1 = lock(A) == 0) {
            goto releaseA;
        }
        if ((res2 = lock(B) == 0) {
            goto releaseB;
        }
        if ((res3 = lock(C) == 0) {
            goto releaseC;
        }

        foo(res1, res2, res3);
        failed = 0;

    releaseC:
        release(C);
    releaseB:
        release(B);
    releaseA:
        release(A);

        return failed;

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One can find examples of this technique in /sys/src/fs.
Here's some clean-up code from the implementation of wstat
at /sys/src/fs/port/9p1.c:1499,1504:

	if(p)
		putbuf(p);
	if(p1)
		putbuf(p1);
	if(f)
		qunlock(f);

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or:

{
	int m=0;

	if(++m && (res1 = lock(A)))
	if(++m && (res2 = lock(B)))
	if(++m && (res3 = lock(C))) {
		foo();
		return success;
	}
	switch(m) {
	case 3:	 release(B);
	case 2:  release(A);
	default: return failure;
	}
}

you just need a marker to see how far you got. (I'm not even sure
what the context of this message is, but every time i see the goto
solution to this I have to say something). ;)

Cheers,

Sam

>
>         failed = 1;
>
>         if ((res1 = lock(A) == 0) {
>             goto releaseA;
>         }
>         if ((res2 = lock(B) == 0) {
>             goto releaseB;
>         }
>         if ((res3 = lock(C) == 0) {
>             goto releaseC;
>         }
>
>         foo(res1, res2, res3);
>         failed = 0;
>
>     releaseC:
>         release(C);
>     releaseB:
>         release(B);
>     releaseA:
>         release(A);
>
>         return failed;
>
> Cheers,
>
>




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> you just need a marker to see how far you got. (I'm not even sure
> what the context of this message is, but every time i see the goto
> solution to this I have to say something). ;)

the goto seems much clearer to me.
also easier to edit.  what happens when
you have to lock A½?  you have to rewrite
all your case statements!

g% grep goto /sys/games/lib/fortunes |sed 1q
If you want to go somewhere, goto is the best way to get there. K Thompson
g% 

also you can't always write the code in your if-style,
but you can always use a goto.  for example, you can't
rewrite this without goto (or at least, if you do, it ends
up a lot less clear or a lot more duplicated):

static int
p9skclient(Conv *c)
{
	char *user;
	char cchal[CHALLEN];
	uchar secret[8];
	char buf[MAXAUTH];
	int speakfor, ret;
	Attr *a;
	Authenticator au;
	Key *k;
	Ticket t;
	Ticketreq tr;

	ret = -1;
	a = nil;
	k = nil;

	/* p9sk1: send client challenge */
	if(c->proto == &p9sk1){
		c->state = "write challenge";
		memrandom(cchal, CHALLEN);
		if(convwrite(c, cchal, CHALLEN) < 0)
			goto out;
	}

	/* read ticket request */
	c->state = "read tickreq";
	if(convread(c, buf, TICKREQLEN) < 0)
		goto out;
	convM2TR(buf, &tr);

	/* p9sk2: use server challenge as client challenge */
	if(c->proto == &p9sk2)
		memmove(cchal, tr.chal, CHALLEN);

	/*
	 * find a key.
	 *
	 * if the user is the factotum owner, any key will do.
	 * if not, then if we have a speakfor key,
	 * we will only vouch for the user's local identity.
	 *
	 * this logic is duplicated in p9any.c
	 */
	user = strfindattr(c->attr, "user");
	a = delattr(copyattr(c->attr), "role");
	a = addattr(a, "proto=p9sk1");

	if(strcmp(c->sysuser, owner) == 0){
		speakfor = 0;
		a = addattr(a, "proto=p9sk1 user? dom=%q", tr.authdom);
	}else if(user==nil || strcmp(c->sysuser, user)==0){
		speakfor = 1;
		a = delattr(a, "user");
		a = addattr(a, "proto=p9sk1 user? dom=%q role=speakfor", tr.authdom);
	}else{
		werrstr("will not authenticate for %q as %q", c->sysuser, user);
		goto out;
	}

	for(;;){
		c->state = "find key";
		k = keyfetch(c, "%A", a);
		if(k == nil)
			goto out;
		
		/* relay ticket request to auth server, get tickets */
		strcpy(tr.hostid, strfindattr(k->attr, "user"));
		if(speakfor)
			strcpy(tr.uid, c->sysuser);
		else
			strcpy(tr.uid, tr.hostid);

		c->state = "get tickets";
		if(gettickets(&tr, buf, k) < 0)
			goto out;

		convM2T(buf, &t, k->priv);
		if(t.num == AuthTc)
			break;

		/* we don't agree with the auth server about the key; try again */
		c->state = "replace key";
		if((k = keyreplace(c, k, "key mismatch with auth server")) == nil){
			werrstr("key mismatch with auth server");
			goto out;
		}
	}

	/* send second ticket and authenticator to server */
	c->state = "write ticket+auth";
	memmove(buf, buf+TICKETLEN, TICKETLEN);
	au.num = AuthAc;
	memmove(au.chal, tr.chal, CHALLEN);
	au.id = 0;
	convA2M(&au, buf+TICKETLEN, t.key);
	if(convwrite(c, buf, TICKETLEN+AUTHENTLEN) < 0)
		goto out;

	/* read authenticator from server */
	c->state = "read auth";
	if(convread(c, buf, AUTHENTLEN) < 0)
		goto out;
	convM2A(buf, &au, t.key);
	if(au.num != AuthAs || memcmp(au.chal, cchal, CHALLEN) != 0 || au.id != 0){
		werrstr("server lies through his teeth");
		goto out;
	}

	/* success */
	c->attr = addcap(c->attr, c->sysuser, &t);
	des56to64((uchar*)t.key, secret);
	c->attr = addattr(c->attr, "secret=%.8H", secret);
	ret = 0;

out:
	freeattr(a);
	keyclose(k);
	return ret;
}


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which kernel mkfile do I use for the file server?
thanks
will551


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There's always waserror/nexterror

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ooh, a challenge.  Nothing pleases me more than proving myself
wrong.  be back in a few. ;)

btw - i don't fear the goto.  I use it a lot in small loop
situations to avoid empty for loops and such.  I'll play
with this function and see what I find. ;)

Cheers,

Sam

On Mon, 6
Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> > you just need a marker to see how far you got. (I'm not even sure
> > what the context of this message is, but every time i see the goto
> > solution to this I have to say something). ;)
>
> the goto seems much clearer to me.
> also easier to edit.  what happens when
> you have to lock A½?  you have to rewrite
> all your case statements!
>
> g% grep goto /sys/games/lib/fortunes |sed 1q
> If you want to go somewhere, goto is the best way to get there. K Thompson
> g%
>
> also you can't always write the code in your if-style,
> but you can always use a goto.  for example, you can't
> rewrite this without goto (or at least, if you do, it ends
> up a lot less clear or a lot more duplicated):
>
> static int
> p9skclient(Conv *c)
> {
> 	char *user;
> 	char cchal[CHALLEN];
> 	uchar secret[8];
> 	char buf[MAXAUTH];
> 	int speakfor, ret;
> 	Attr *a;
> 	Authenticator au;
> 	Key *k;
> 	Ticket t;
> 	Ticketreq tr;
>
> 	ret = -1;
> 	a = nil;
>  	k = nil;
>
> 	/* p9sk1: send client challenge */
> 	if(c->proto == &p9sk1){
> 		c->state = "write challenge";
> 		memrandom(cchal, CHALLEN);
> 		if(convwrite(c, cchal, CHALLEN) < 0)
> 			goto out;
> 	}
>
> 	/* read ticket request */
> 	c->state = "read tickreq";
> 	if(convread(c, buf, TICKREQLEN) < 0)
> 		goto out;
> 	convM2TR(buf, &tr);
>
> 	/* p9sk2: use server challenge as client challenge */
> 	if(c->proto == &p9sk2)
> 		memmove(cchal, tr.chal, CHALLEN);
>
> 	/*
> 	 * find a key.
> 	 *
> 	 * if the user is the factotum owner, any key will do.
> 	 * if not, then if we have a speakfor key,
> 	 * we will only vouch for the user's local identity.
> 	 *
> 	 * this logic is duplicated in p9any.c
> 	 */
> 	user = strfindattr(c->attr, "user");
> 	a = delattr(copyattr(c->attr), "role");
> 	a = addattr(a, "proto=p9sk1");
>
> 	if(strcmp(c->sysuser, owner) == 0){
> 		speakfor = 0;
> 		a = addattr(a, "proto=p9sk1 user? dom=%q", tr.authdom);
> 	}else if(user==nil || strcmp(c->sysuser, user)==0){
> 		speakfor = 1;
> 		a = delattr(a, "user");
> 		a = addattr(a, "proto=p9sk1 user? dom=%q role=speakfor", tr.authdom);
> 	}else{
> 		werrstr("will not authenticate for %q as %q", c->sysuser, user);
> 		goto out;
> 	}
>
> 	for(;;){
> 		c->state = "find key";
> 		k = keyfetch(c, "%A", a);
> 		if(k == nil)
> 			goto out;
>
> 		/* relay ticket request to auth server, get tickets */
> 		strcpy(tr.hostid, strfindattr(k->attr, "user"));
> 		if(speakfor)
> 			strcpy(tr.uid, c->sysuser);
> 		else
> 			strcpy(tr.uid, tr.hostid);
>
> 		c->state = "get tickets";
> 		if(gettickets(&tr, buf, k) < 0)
> 			goto out;
>
> 		convM2T(buf, &t, k->priv);
> 		if(t.num == AuthTc)
> 			break;
>
> 		/* we don't agree with the auth server about the key; try again */
> 		c->state = "replace key";
> 		if((k = keyreplace(c, k, "key mismatch with auth server")) == nil){
> 			werrstr("key mismatch with auth server");
> 			goto out;
> 		}
> 	}
>
> 	/* send second ticket and authenticator to server */
> 	c->state = "write ticket+auth";
> 	memmove(buf, buf+TICKETLEN, TICKETLEN);
> 	au.num = AuthAc;
> 	memmove(au.chal, tr.chal, CHALLEN);
> 	au.id = 0;
> 	convA2M(&au, buf+TICKETLEN, t.key);
> 	if(convwrite(c, buf, TICKETLEN+AUTHENTLEN) < 0)
> 		goto out;
>
> 	/* read authenticator from server */
> 	c->state = "read auth";
> 	if(convread(c, buf, AUTHENTLEN) < 0)
> 		goto out;
> 	convM2A(buf, &au, t.key);
> 	if(au.num != AuthAs || memcmp(au.chal, cchal, CHALLEN) != 0 || au.id != 0){
> 		werrstr("server lies through his teeth");
> 		goto out;
> 	}
>
> 	/* success */
> 	c->attr = addcap(c->attr, c->sysuser, &t);
> 	des56to64((uchar*)t.key, secret);
> 	c->attr = addattr(c->attr, "secret=%.8H", secret);
> 	ret = 0;
>
> out:
> 	freeattr(a);
> 	keyclose(k);
> 	return ret;
> }
>


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> which kernel mkfile do I use for the file server?
> thanks
> will551

/sys/src/fs/*/mkfile


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> which kernel mkfile do I use for the file server?
> thanks
> will551

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Hitting the delete key disrupts srvssh.  I think
the "rfork e" in that script should be "rfork es".

-dave


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I put the art(1) sources for Release 4 under the /n/sources/contrib/art
of sources.cs.bell-labs.com source server.

The art program was written by someone in the Bell Labs (I guess Tom
Duff, am I wrong?), and included in the second release of Plan 9 which
means it is protected by the license of that release.   Therefore, I've been
putting only the diffs onto our web site for Release 3.   This is partially
because I rewrote it for our students to learn how to write GUI programs
on Plan 9, yes, it is aimed for internally use.   Now, I got the permission
to put them in the sources.cs.bell-labs.com.

As written above, it is not intended to heavy use, and it may have many
bugs in itself.   If you'd like to inprove it, don't hesitate and do it by your 
own.   I'd be happy if I could have those improvements too.

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Hi,

Are cd-burners/cdrw drives standardised these days such that plan9 can burn
CDs any current drive - at one time only a few where supported.

If so do these work for R/W's as well as WORM disks?

Also are/all any dvd writers be supported ?

Thanks,

-Steve


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> Are cd-burners/cdrw drives standardised these days such that plan9 can burn
> CDs any current drive - at one time only a few where supported.

> If so do these work for R/W's as well as WORM disks?

CD-RWs and CD-Rs, yes.  If by WORM you mean CD-R, yes.
(I've never seen them named WORM, but I suppose they are.)

> Also are/all any dvd writers be supported ?

I haven't tried but I believe that writing to DVDs
will just work in cdfs.  Someone (Richard Miller?)
was trying this at one point.  

The hard part there is creating the images.
Most systems won't read 9660 images burnt to DVD.
If you don't care about other systems reading the
DVD, then arbitrary byte streams should just work,
if not immediately then with minimal effort.

Russ

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> I haven't tried but I believe that writing to DVDs
> will just work in cdfs.  Someone (Richard Miller?)
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No, my writable dvd drive is a DVD-RAM, which is block-addressable
like a hard drive so you can write to it with kfs or venti.  The
drawback is you can't read the discs in any other kind of dvd player.
And they cost too much.

-- Richard


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If you haven't purchased one yet, and you have the money, look at the
Sony DRU500A. It handles CD-R/-RW, DVD-R/-RW and DVD+R/+RW. Bruce Ellis
(brucee) purchased one and was quite impressed.

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Hi Fco.J.Ballesteros,

> Regarding publication, AWL said there's no market for it.  Then I
> tried peer-to-peer (the publisher of Lion's book), but they are no
> longer in the business.  If any of you have a suggestion for a
> different publisher, just let me know.

Try Rich Morin at Prime Time Freeware.  He's been building a collection
of `print on demand' books to do with software for a while now.  He
calls it DOSSIER.

    http://ptf.com/ptf/dossier/

I'm sure he's already aware of Plan 9.

Cheers,

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The new 4th edition file server, named Fossil,
is now available on sources.  There are some
how-to docs for setting up Venti and Fossil at:

http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/setting_up_venti
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/setting_up_fossil

The man pages fossil(4) and fossilcons(8) are
the definitive reference.  /sys/doc/fossil.pdf (aka
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/fossil.pdf)
describes the disk structures and also the Vac
structures for those interested in hacking the
internals.

Conceptually, Fossil is similar to the current file server
with Venti instead of a WORM juke box, but practically
there are many other differences.  It is a user-level
program rather than a special kernel, it speaks 9P2000
(and not 9P1), and there are numerous other improvements,
including enormous file names and also soft updates so that
the disk image is always in a consistent state.

It is still a work in progress, but it's ready to be used
by those feeling adventurous.

Enjoy.
Sean, Jim, Russ


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I just accidently created a plan9.ini file like this:

menuitem=foo
menuitem=bar
menuitem=baz
menudefault=foo

...

[foo]

...

[bar]

...

(I forgot to provide a [baz] configuration block.)

When I tried to boot up, 9load correctly complained that I had
provided no [baz] configuration block.

But then, without giving me a chance to choose between either of
the two valid configurations foo and bar, it went ahead and booted
up.  And it turned out that, rather than having booted with the
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> there are many other differences.  It is a user-level
> program rather than a special kernel, it speaks 9P2000
> (and not 9P1), and there are numerous other improvements,
> including enormous file names and also soft updates so that
> the disk image is always in a consistent state.

Does this mean we don't need il protocol anymore?

Kenji


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Congratulations!

I feel a bit adventurous -- but also in the need of
a little (or more?) hand-holding.

I have browsed through the setting up docs on wiki,
and a couple of the refered man pages, but
could not easily see how to build a fossil from
(to replace) an existing fake-worm file server,
taking into account the dump partition.

I recall reading before that at bell labs worm
disks of the fs were copied ``by hand'' one by one,
by taking them out of the fs.
Is there a way to transfer dump to fossil from
a running fake-worm fs (so, just using normal 9p
access, without going to the ``raw disks'')?

On a related note: my fake-worm fs uses relatively small
blocks (4Kb). Can I freely choose a block size for the
venti underlying the fossil, or should there be
a strict relation between the fake-worm  block size
and the fossil/venti block size (e.g. due to transfer
of dump blocks)?

Thanks for any insight (pointers welcome),
Axel.

> The new 4th edition file server, named Fossil,
> is now available on sources.  There are some
> how-to docs for setting up Venti and Fossil at:
[snip] 
> It is still a work in progress, but it's ready to be used
> by those feeling adventurous.


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When page calls gs to display a postscript file which uses \r as a line
terminator (not \n or \r\n), deadlock ensues.  Here's a correction (which
may also reduce the need for the '-P' option):

/sys/src/cmd/page/ps.c:429 a ps.c:430,434
> 	/*
> 	 * If last line terminator is \r, gs will read ahead to check for \n
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> 	 */
> 	write(ps->gsfd, "\n", 1);

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Is this a problem in pdf2ps also?  When I ps2pdf'ed fossil.pdf and sent the
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When page calls gs to display a postscript file which uses \r as a line
terminator (not \n or \r\n), deadlock ensues.  Here's a correction (which
may also reduce the need for the '-P' option):

/sys/src/cmd/page/ps.c:429 a ps.c:430,434
> 	/*
> 	 * If last line terminator is \r, gs will read ahead to check for \n
> 	 * so send one to avoid deadlock.
> 	 */
> 	write(ps->gsfd, "\n", 1);

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> Is this a problem in pdf2ps also?

No, it was specifically an interaction between page and gs.


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Not to fossil, but we're using this to move our worm into vac, which
can be serviced by venti. 9fs automates it for us.

#!/bin/rc
# mkvac: creates one vac archive. argument is day number.
#

srv -q il!sargazos.escet.urjc.es
mount /srv/il!sargazos.escet.urjc.es /n/dump dump
date
vname=`{echo $1 | sed 's|/|_|g'}
lname=`{cat mkvac.last}
echo vac -s -b16k -f dump/2002/$vname.vac -d dump/2002/$lname -q /n/dump/$1
time vac -s -b16k -f dump/2002/$vname.vac -d dump/2002/$lname -q /n/dump/$1
echo echo $vname.vac '>' mkvac.last
 echo $vname.vac > mkvac.last
unmount /n/dump
rm /srv/il!sargazos.escet.urjc.es
date


This other one calls the previous one to automate it:
#!/bin/rc
days=(0508 0507 0506 .....other preferred days here)
for (d in $days) {
	cp /dev/text /n/once/nemo/mkvacs.out
	echo -n $d starts ' '
	mkvac 2002/$d
	echo
}
exit


We are doing 1.5 months per day or so.

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Congratulations!

I feel a bit adventurous -- but also in the need of
a little (or more?) hand-holding.

I have browsed through the setting up docs on wiki,
and a couple of the refered man pages, but
could not easily see how to build a fossil from
(to replace) an existing fake-worm file server,
taking into account the dump partition.

I recall reading before that at bell labs worm
disks of the fs were copied ``by hand'' one by one,
by taking them out of the fs.
Is there a way to transfer dump to fossil from
a running fake-worm fs (so, just using normal 9p
access, without going to the ``raw disks'')?

On a related note: my fake-worm fs uses relatively small
blocks (4Kb). Can I freely choose a block size for the
venti underlying the fossil, or should there be
a strict relation between the fake-worm  block size
and the fossil/venti block size (e.g. due to transfer
of dump blocks)?

Thanks for any insight (pointers welcome),
Axel.

> The new 4th edition file server, named Fossil,
> is now available on sources.  There are some
> how-to docs for setting up Venti and Fossil at:
[snip] 
> It is still a work in progress, but it's ready to be used
> by those feeling adventurous.

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will you put a link to it on http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/index.html
(the index page for Volume 2 documents) or it's not yet supposed to be
read by third parties?

thanx, andrey

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> The man pages fossil(4) and fossilcons(8) are
> the definitive reference.  /sys/doc/fossil.pdf (aka
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/fossil.pdf)



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I don't think pdf2ps has this problem.
Pdf2ps generates enormous files, since
they're just 300dpi (maybe 600dpi?) bitmaps.

They take a long time to print.

Better just to use fossil.ps.



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> will you put a link to it on http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/index.html
> (the index page for Volume 2 documents) or it's not yet supposed to be
> read by third parties?

I'm not sure it's quite ready for that.


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> Does this mean we don't need il protocol anymore?

Correct.


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> there are numerous other improvements,
> including enormous file names
> g% x=`{perl -e 'print "a"x2000'}
> g% >$x
> g% ls -l $x

This is a new challenge to people coming up with class names (and depth)
for Java.


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Maybe this is in the doc's somewhere, but just do i know ahead of time,
does fossil have support for worm devices, ie HP optical jukeboxes and
such? thanks

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There is no support for WORM devices.
The WORM is replaced by Venti.  You could
back up Venti to a WORM drive, I suppose.




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yes, there's a bug there. i will fix it.
the failure causes it to run the entire plan9.ini without
'menu' interpretation rather than just a single menu block - you
see $menuitem as 'baz' as that's the last time menuitem is
assigned to in the file.

On Wed Jan  8 03:03:20 EST 2003, mike@ducky.net wrote:
> I just accidently created a plan9.ini file like this:
> 
> menuitem=foo
> menuitem=bar
> menuitem=baz
> menudefault=foo
> 
> ...
> 
> [foo]
> 
> ...
> 
> [bar]
> 
> ...
> 
> (I forgot to provide a [baz] configuration block.)
> 
> When I tried to boot up, 9load correctly complained that I had
> provided no [baz] configuration block.
> 
> But then, without giving me a chance to choose between either of
> the two valid configurations foo and bar, it went ahead and booted
> up.  And it turned out that, rather than having booted with the
> specified default foo configuration, it had tried to boot baz
> (that is, $menuitem in the environment after boot was baz).

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There exist several ape/psh's.  /386/bin/ape/psh, /mips/bin/ape/psh (I
think it was MIPS, anyway), and /rc/bin/ape/psh.  Of those, the one in
/rc/bin/ape seems the most reasonable; but by default typing ``ape/psh''
on an x86 machine runs /386/bin/ape/psh.  Doing bind -b /rc/bin/ape
/386/bin/ape or other such permutations really confuses something in ape,
so I stopped trying it and overwrote /386/bin/ape with:

#!/bin/rc
exec /rc/bin/ape/psh $*

This works reasonably, and it'd be nice to see it go onto sources.  It'd
be nicer to see bind -r or an overlay filesystem.

	- Dan C.


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I was setting up a CPU/auth server on a recycled VALinux server the
other day (hooray!) and ran into an annoying problem with reading
nvram contents.  Basically, this particular server had disk bays
that took SCA SCSI drives, and there was literally no way to have
an sd00; the smallest SCSI ID one could use was sd01.  So, readnvram()
/sys/src/libauthsrv/readnvram.c never found my nvram sector.  That
was highly annoying, and I fixed it by adding the appropriate lines
to nvtab to look at sd01 in addition to sd00 and sdC0.  Still, that
seemed kind of ugly and it struck me that it would be a better
solution for readnvram() to honor an ``nvr'' environment variable
if such a thing existed.  That way, the location of the nvram parition
could be set in plan9.ini.  Does that seem like a reasonable change
to other people?  If not, it'd be nice to see the sd01 entries go into
nvtab.

	- Dan C.


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done.

> This works reasonably, and it'd be nice to see it go onto sources.  It'd
> be nicer to see bind -r or an overlay filesystem.

the source is in /sys/src/9/port/chan.c.  have at it!

russ

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I like that suggestion.  Then I could get rid
of the cputype=debug hack.

Russ


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Somebody was kind enough to give me a command that works like source in UNIX, I have since forgotten it. Anyone remember it ?

Question2: Multiple upas/fs mounts ?
When I try to mount more than 1 in my
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> You could
> back up Venti to a WORM drive, I suppose.

An alternate way would be to use fs(3) to setup a mirror
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> Somebody was kind enough to give me a command that works like source in UNIX, I have since forgotten it. Anyone remember it ?
>

the . (dot) will 'source' a file.

> Question2: Multiple upas/fs mounts ?
> When I try to mount more than 1 in my
> profile, I only get the last one.

-m option might be what you need?


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> Somebody was kind enough to give me a command that works like source in UNIX, I have since forgotten it. Anyone remember it ?
>

the . (dot) will 'source' a file.

> Question2: Multiple upas/fs mounts ?
> When I try to mount more than 1 in my
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-m option might be what you need?

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If one were to building a PC (Intel) to run Plan 9, does anyone here
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I've read the "Supported PC Hardware", but I was wondering if anyone
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How do I do an ifconfig ? I wanted to 
see what my current ip is, I`m using 
DHCP.

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try cat /net/arp

> How do I do an ifconfig ? I wanted to
> see what my current ip is, I`m using
> DHCP.
>
> Adrian

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3ed environment, looks like I still don't understand authentication
properly (8 years down the line, ouch!).

File server has /lib/ndb/auth with

hostid=proxima
	uid=!sys uid=!adm uid=*

hostid=inferno
	uid=!sys uid=!adm uid=*

which in my understanding means (I hope) that a CPU (or is that an auth
server?) owned by "inferno" (or "proxima") can "speak for" "lucio".

I have a 3ed CPU server owned by inferno and I use "drawterm" to
connect to it (no 3ed workstations handy).  But I don't seem to have
lucio's permissions in that environment.

I'm sure it's something totally stupid on my part, but what is it?

The AUTH server uses the 4ed portion of the network, but drawterm
seems happy with its behaviour.  The 3ed file server, however, may not
be properly matched to it.  The AUTH server is "owned" by "proxima" (I
hope).

++L

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cat /net/ndb
typically shows network data set by DHCP

cat /net/ipselftab
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bound on /net
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try cat /net/arp

> How do I do an ifconfig ? I wanted to
> see what my current ip is, I`m using
> DHCP.
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> Adrian
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/sys/doc/fossil.pdf mentions an ``experimental file stack device'' devfs(3).
I'm just curious; is that man page available?
(could not find on plan9 web nor on sources)

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> /sys/doc/fossil.pdf mentions an ``experimental file stack device'' devfs(3).
> I'm just curious; is that man page available?
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it's a mistake in the paper.
see instead fs(3).


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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> I like that suggestion.  Then I could get rid
> of the cputype=debug hack.

Out here andrey did a set up so that our linuxbios nodes had nvram in
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the credit for fs(3) goes to nemo, by the way.


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Is there anything interesting in /sys/log/auth?


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Others will correct me I'm sure, but I think the processor and
motherboard just aren't issues anymore.  

Ethernet: here are lots of Intel 8255x-based ether cards out there,
and they work well. In general the ethernet situation isn't that bad either.

Sound: the SB16 (and SB32, SB32AWE, etc.) is the only supported
internal sound card.  USB audio works well as an alternative.
It's extra nice because the audio interface (as well as the
USB hw interface) is standardized, so any standard audio device
should work.  We've used a bunch.

Video: everyone hates video.  The chipsets integrated with
motherboards are basically not supported.  I'd look for an
NVIDIA-based or S3 Savage4-based card.  NVIDIA seems to be
the dominant player these days, and I believe all these work:

		switch(p->did){
		case 0x0020:		/* Riva TNT */
		case 0x0028:		/* Riva TNT2 */
		case 0x0029:		/* Riva TNT2 (Ultra)*/
		case 0x002C:		/* Riva TNT2 (Vanta) */
		case 0x002D:		/* Riva TNT2 M64 */
		case 0x00A0:		/* Riva TNT2 (Integrated) */
			nv->arch = 4;
			break;
		case 0x0100:		/* GeForce 256 */
		case 0x0101:		/* GeForce DDR */
		case 0x0103:		/* Quadro */
		case 0x0110:		/* GeForce2 MX */
		case 0x0111:		/* GeForce2 MX DDR */
		case 0x0112:		/* GeForce 2 Go */
		case 0x0113:		/* Quadro 2 MXR */
		case 0x0150:		/* GeForce2 GTS */
		case 0x0151:		/* GeForce2 GTS (rev 1) */
		case 0x0152:		/* GeForce2 Ultra */
		case 0x0153:		/* Quadro 2 Pro */
			nv->arch = 10;
			break;
		case 0x0200:		/* GeForce3 */
		case 0x0201:		/* some other geforce3's */
		case 0x0202:
			nv->arch = 20;
			break;
		default:
			error("%s: DID %4.4uX unsupported\n",
				ctlr->name, p->did);
		}

Russ

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Russ Cox wrote:
> Video: everyone hates video.  The chipsets integrated with
> motherboards are basically not supported.

Just to clarify, I'm guessing that most of the integrated solutions 
don't work or work poorly.  I think the i81x video only works at 640x480 
(though onboard LAN works).  Socket 370 is even tougher to find now that 
the new Celerons are out, though I think all the 845-based P4 boards use 
the same video drivers.

Does anyone have anything to add regarding nForce or VIA chipsets on 
motherboards?

-Jack


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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:45:23AM -0800, Jack Johnson wrote:
> Russ Cox wrote:
> >Video: everyone hates video.  The chipsets integrated with
> >motherboards are basically not supported.
> 
> Just to clarify, I'm guessing that most of the integrated solutions 
> don't work or work poorly.  I think the i81x video only works at 640x480 
> (though onboard LAN works).  Socket 370 is even tougher to find now that 
> the new Celerons are out, though I think all the 845-based P4 boards use 
> the same video drivers.

Im not sure of the size of your installation, but...
one thing i started doing was not having the servers bootup into rio,
and just run in 'console' mode, often headless. for that the integrated
video works fine (especially if you are short a few video cards). Im not
sure about the new fs, but the old one didnt have any sort of graphics
anyways so, of course, an integrated video works there as well.

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> don't work or work poorly.  I think the i81x video only works at 640x480 

I installed a VAIO with i815 (I think) video a few days back,
and it worked fine at 1024x768.  Only problem was that the
cursor was a bright cyan.

Micah


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On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 09:41:57AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote:
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> Is there anything interesting in /sys/log/auth?

It's empty :-(

I suppose _that_ could be called interesting.

++L

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> Is there anything interesting in /sys/log/auth?

I note that user inferno exists on the 3ed box but is a "group" with a
totally different id on the 4ed file server that the auth server uses.

I'll bring these two into line and see if it makes a difference.

++L

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On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 07:58:36AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 09:41:57AM -0500, Russ Cox wrote:
> > 
> > Is there anything interesting in /sys/log/auth?
> 
Maybe the following will help?

1. tickle Jan 10 07:14:54 tr-ok lucio@lucio(192.96.32.71) -> lucio@lucio
2. tickle Jan 10 07:14:56 tr-ok lucio@lucio(192.96.32.71) -> lucio@inferno
3. tickle Jan 10 07:15:09 tr-ok proxima@proxima(192.96.32.73) -> proxima@proxima
4. tickle Jan 10 07:24:44 tr-ok lucio@lucio(192.96.32.71) -> lucio@lucio
5. tickle Jan 10 07:24:45 tr-ok lucio@lucio(192.96.32.71) -> lucio@inferno
6. tickle Jan 10 07:47:54 tr-ok inferno@inferno(192.96.32.75) -> inferno@proxima
7. tickle Jan 10 07:56:47 tr-ok lucio@lucio(192.96.32.71) -> lucio@lucio
8. tickle Jan 10 07:56:48 tr-ok lucio@lucio(192.96.32.71) -> lucio@inferno
9. tickle Jan 10 07:56:51 tr-ok lucio@inferno(192.96.32.75) -> lucio@proxima
10. tickle Jan 10 08:32:20 tr-ok proxima@proxima(192.96.32.73) -> proxima@proxima

These are from the auth server, the first bunch (1-5) is subsequent
to a file server reboot (to put it into "allow" mode) and the second
(6-10) is subsequent to the next reboot where the file server was
restored to normal operation.  The proxima@proxima (ip 192.96.32.73)
is the 2ed CPU server and can safely be ignored.

192.96.32.71 is the drawterm workstation, 192.96.32.75 is the CPU
server.  I logged into it - but I'd have expected inferno@inferno,
perhaps my NVRAM is set up badly?  Or is it that lucio@inferno ought
to be lucio@proxima?  How is that determined?

> I note that user inferno exists on the 3ed box but is a "group" with a
> totally different id on the 4ed file server that the auth server uses.
> 
> I'll bring these two into line and see if it makes a difference.
> 
It didn't, but perhaps the solution is in the above, invisible to
me.

++L

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Once you connect to the cpu server, cat /dev/user.
If it says lucio, then you're lucio.  It sounds to me
like the cpu server can't find the auth server.
The cpu server and file server can still chat because
they have the same uid and thus don't need an auth
server.  But when you try to authenticate to the file
server no auth server is found so it connects as none.

On the cpu server, if you run

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does it give you a response?


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> done.

Gracias.

> > This works reasonably, and it'd be nice to see it go onto sources.  It'd
> > be nicer to see bind -r or an overlay filesystem.
> 
> the source is in /sys/src/9/port/chan.c.  have at it!

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Not just because it's heavy, but because it's hanging.  At least, it was
about half an hour ago.  Interestingly, this caused factotum to hang as
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You can use the -r option to set the base path.

drawterm -r d:/

for example.  You're right that you can't have
access to more than one at a time.

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the machine in question is being set up as a standalone cpu/auth/kfs fileserver

when i try to cpu to it from a different machine as a normal user i get the
following error:

cpu: can't authenticate: plan9box: auth_proxy rpc write: 
bootes: no auth server found for plan9box

(the user i'm trying to get in as is 'andrey')

when i cpu as bootes i have no problems getting authenticated:

% cpu -h plan9box

!Adding key: dom=plan9box proto=p9sk1
user[andrey]: bootes
password:
!
cpu%

what makes it even more puzzling is that if i select to boot from plan9box as a
file server (il) on a remote machine the user 'andrey' authenticates just fine

so, in essence i can't cpu to the machine as 'andrey' but i can boot with it as
a file server and then everything is fine

any help is appreciated: andrey


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just to add -- i can successfuly cpu to the machine using 'netkey'
authentication, so the problem is only with the default, p9 auth

andrey



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> You can use the -r option to set the base path.

Thanks.  I should have rtfm; It's senility setting in.


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run auth/debug and you'll find that your ndb setup
is not quite correct.  in particular, the cpu server
doesn't know how to find the authserver for authdom=plan9box.

all the situations that you've described as working
do so because they don't require the client side
to know how to find the auth server: for netkey
the server side takes care of it, for cpu as bootes
factotum can make up some tickets by itself, and
for the boot-from-file-server, factotum gets the ip address
then and uses it as a fallback.


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i found the solution to my problem -- had to specify correctly the auth
server _and the auth domain_ on the machine i was connecting from:

	% echo 'auth=plan9box authdom=plan9box' > /net/ndb
	% cpu -h plan9box
	[authentication]
	cpu %

of course, i'm not really sure whether echoing stuff to /net/ndb like that
has not broken any of my previous settings -- probably a good idea will
be to fork the namespace first

andrey


On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, andrey mirtchovski wrote:

> just to add -- i can successfuly cpu to the machine using 'netkey'
> authentication, so the problem is only with the default, p9 auth
>
> andrey
>
>


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forking the name space doesn't fork /net/ndb.

echo 'auth=plan9box authdom=plan9box' >>/net/ndb

adds a separate entry (because it's not indented) so you're fine.

you could add it to /lib/ndb/local as a more permanent solution.


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On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> you could add it to /lib/ndb/local as a more permanent solution.
>

i did that and it worked fine (already pulled an update on two machines
here)

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Could the 'contrib' section of sources be added to the 'sources snapshot' cd? Alternatively, could a 'contrib snapshot' be added to the extra downloads page?

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Done.


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>It is a user-level program rather than a special kernel
One advantage (as I understood it) of using a specialized kernel was a form of security -- there were *no* user mode programs whose bugs could be exploited. How "standalone" can a Fossil/Venti server be? Can I delete almost everything in /bin to "lock down" the system?

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The new line in the "Additional Software" page is:
Sources Extras

Should be:
Sources Extras

(Misplaced quote - currently the link points back to the
"Additional Software" page.)

Download in progress.

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Oops, my mailer ate the html.
The line:
href=""/magic/9down4e/compressed/1042339204.nk4rvxpj68uswx87w77ryx4u43dbgm7e/contrib.iso.bz2
should be:
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Thanks, fixed.


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> Download in progress.
Correction: manually tweaking the url in the browser is giving me an empty page ... will wait. :(

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On Sat Jan 11 21:37:18 EST 2003, joelcsalomon@excite.com wrote:
> 
> >It is a user-level program rather than a special kernel
> One advantage (as I understood it) of using a specialized kernel was a form of security -- there were *no* user mode programs whose bugs could be exploited. How "standalone" can a Fossil/Venti server be? Can I delete almost everything in /bin to "lock down" the system?
> 
> --Joel

The intent is that it should be possible to configure the system
via the kernel config such that the only process(es) running are
those necessary to run a fileserver, i.e. fossil and factotum, with
only a physical console for control. The less paranoid you are, the
more user level stuff you can leave running, e.g. starting fossil
from /bin/cpurc.

Of course, we're nowhere near there yet.

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This time for sure!

Russ

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When building the virtual host table in /sys/src/cmd/ip/httpd/httpd.c,
there's a bug chopping off ports and/or trailing slashes.  The fix is
to change the call to strstr() in redirectinit() to call strpbrk()
instead.  I was wondering why my virtual host redirections weren't
working....

	- Dan C.


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Subject: [9fans] rx problem on cpu/auth standalone machine
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My plan9 box(named tp560x) is a standalone cpu/auth server.
After updating Plan9, upas cron left error logs on /sys/log/cron as 
follows.

tp560x Jan 12 10:01:15 upas: can't call tp560x: connection refused

So I cheked rx command logged in as upas.

tp560x# rx tp560x ls
rx: auth_proxy: auth_proxy rpc write: bootes: bad key

/sys/log/auth logged as follows.
tp560x Jan 12 02:31:07 tr-fail upas@bootes(192.168.1.32) -> upas@bootes 
no speaks for
tp560x Jan 12 02:31:07 tr-ok upas@bootes(192.168.1.32) -> upas@bootes

At this time, /mnt/factotum/log says,
cpu% cat /mnt/factotum/log
13: no key matches proto=p9sk1 role=server dom?
13: failure no key matches proto=p9sk1 role=server dom?
12: failure upas can't use bootes's keys
12: failure bad key

I reset password and users likes as Plan9 Wiki page.
http://cm.bell-
labs.com/wiki/plan9/Configuring_a_standalone_CPU_server/index.html
But no luck.

Cron commands by bootes and rx commad from bootes works fine.

Where should I check?

Thank you.







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does the perl port understand utf strings?

there's a perl irc client (http://www.iagora.com/~espel/sirc.html)
that requires very little modification to get going under plan9,
but i found out that UTF strings are displayed incorrectly.

do you think that's a problem of the client or the perl port?

thanx, andrey


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Hi,

Attached in this mail is a modified version of stats.c that includes
an option for increasing the interval between updates. The new
option is invoked with:

	stats -T timestep

where timestep is in seconds (later gets transfered to milliseconds).
If the option is omitted stats behaviour is unchanged -- the default
update interval is one second. An increased timestep causes the
scale for almost all measurements to be increased proportionally
(for example, if the max number of ethernet packets was 1000 for
1-second updates, it will be 2000 for 2-second updates and 10000
for 10-second updates). Unafected are the scales for memory usage
and system load.

I find this useful for monitoring cpu servers over a long period
of time -- I use it with a timestep of 60 seconds to monitor cpu
server activity overnight...

If you think that's a valuable modification I can write the 2-line
paragraph to add to the man pages :)

andrey

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i put a couple important fossil fixes out yesterday.
you should update.

also new are some kludgy programs to make
plumbing file names work in ssh sessions.
man rwd for more.


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> One advantage (as I understood it) of using a specialized kernel
> was a form of security -- there were *no* user mode programs
> whose bugs could be exploited.

It went further than that: you couldn't even exploit a buffer overflow
to exec a shell, because there was no shell and no exec.

Would it be feasible, as part of bootstrapping a minimal fossil
server, to remove or otherwise disable the exec system call
once everything was running?

-- Richard


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Hi,

Is there any way to run snoppy on a ppp connection or
is it still restricted to ether only?

-Steve



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I think that 
	for(i=0; i<=edit->npart; i++)
should be instead
	for(i=0; i<edit->npart; i++)

It made fdisk broke when trying to add a secondary partition.

hth


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I didn't do anything with Unicode when I ported Perl,
but it's hard to break the basics.

It's probably the client not translating from Latin1 to UTF8.
Everything on IRC is in Latin1, I think.

g% perl -e 'print "☺\n"'
☺
g% 


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> Would it be feasible, as part of bootstrapping a minimal fossil
> server, to remove or otherwise disable the exec system call
> once everything was running?

Of course.  Go ahead if you really want.  I don't want to live
in that environment.  There are no buffer overflows anyway.  ;-)
I _really_ like the fact that I can run other programs on
the file server now, like flchk.  I'm not going back.

I think it's reasonable not to run any services on the
machine other than fossil, and to connect with a serial
console to run other things.  Disabling exec strikes me
as extreme.


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Check /lib/ndb/auth on your auth server.  
Bootes needs to be able to speak for upas.


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unicode or not, dsirc is a fairly decent, easy to setup irc client. for tho=
se who
don't want to type in the same window they receive messages in, here is a s=
olution
(note that it works mostly for single-channel sessions, which is what i nor=
mally do):

% cat $home/bin/rc/irc
#!/bin/rc
# start a new window for dsirc
# text, accept irc input in the
# current window

bind '#|' /tmp
window -m dsirc < /tmp/data
cat > /tmp/data1
%

this works reasonably well for me, but on the other hand my irc needs are n=
ot that
complicated :)

andrey

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> I didn't do anything with Unicode when I ported Perl,
> but it's hard to break the basics.
>
> It's probably the client not translating from Latin1 to UTF8.
> Everything on IRC is in Latin1, I think.
>
> g% perl -e 'print "=E2=98=BA\n"'
> =E2=98=BA
> g%
>


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A less drastic step would be to disable network ports such as
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> One advantage (as I understood it) of using a specialized kernel
> was a form of security -- there were *no* user mode programs
> whose bugs could be exploited.

It went further than that: you couldn't even exploit a buffer overflow
to exec a shell, because there was no shell and no exec.

Would it be feasible, as part of bootstrapping a minimal fossil
server, to remove or otherwise disable the exec system call
once everything was running?

-- Richard

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Yes, there's now a /net/ipifc/xxx/snoop.  If you point to
that rather then /net/etherxxx, you can snoopy packet
interfaces.  However, you don't see the ppp messages,
just the IP that are the contents.

If you want to see the pre-ppp processed data, you can
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Hi,

Is there any way to run snoppy on a ppp connection or
is it still restricted to ether only?

-Steve


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Putting together a CPU server recently, I found that drawterm couldn't
talk to it.  That was weird, I thought, since I knew that srvold9p would
be sort of automatigically injected into the middle of things to make
it work.  Investigating further, I found that /rc/bin/service/tcp1700^(5 6)
were trying to invoke something called /bin/ocpu, which doesn't exist.
Changing these scripts to look like, ``#!/bin/cpu -O'' seems to have
fixed the problem, though I find that I still can't get to /mnt/term,
(this is from FreeBSD, by the way) which is a major, serious, bummer.
Oh well, worse things have happened.

	- Dan C.


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Drawterm talks on tcp17013.
Maybe that's your problem.

ocpu is very o.


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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Dan Cross wrote:

> fixed the problem, though I find that I still can't get to /mnt/term,
> (this is from FreeBSD, by the way) which is a major, serious, bummer.


see if you can cd to /mnt/term/home/$user directly, or try
cd-ing to /mnt/term/stand for example...

i had the same problem just yesterday and found that 'du -a' was able
to read /mnt/term while 'ls' was not...

andrey


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The reason ls fails while du -a works is that ls stats its
argument while du -a does not.  Drawterm returns "#/"
or something like that as the name when you stat /mnt/term,
which isn't legal.


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I found the replica configuration file listed in Forsyth's notes on
upgrading to 4th Edition really useful for manipulating my new (il
based, old school) file server.  In particular, since the new machine
isn't yet hooked up to the net, it's useful for installing changes
and the like from the nightly ISO image.

I propose that this file be placed in the distribution as
/dist/replica/inst (with slight, and obvious, modifications for names
of course) as a convenience for those working with file servers and
so on.  The copy I've been using is attached to this mail.

Another thing that would be really cool is if there were a standard
way to include site specific replica configuration strings in the
configurations for the stuff in /n/sources/extra.  I found myself
having to hand-edit a bunch of config files to change things like
the clientmount function and stuff.  I suppose a simple way to do
that would be something like the following, using noweb as an
example:

---
#!/bin/rc

if (test -r /dist/replica/site)
	. /dist/replica/site
if not {
	s=/n/dist
	serverroot=$s
	fn servermount { status='' } 
	fn serverupdate { status='' }

	fn clientmount { 9fs kfs }
	c=/n/kfs/dist/replica
	clientroot=/n/kfs
	clientproto=/n/kfs/sys/src/cmd/noweb/noweb.proto
}
serverlog=$s/noweb.log
serverproto=$s/noweb.proto

clientdb=$c/client/noweb.db
clientexclude=(dist/replica/client)
clientlog=$c/client/noweb.log
---

The idea here is that it's easy to change defaults around without
having to go through tricks....

	- Dan C.


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#!/bin/rc

s=/n/dist/dist/replica
serverroot=/n/dist
serverlog=$s/plan9.log
serverproto=$s/plan9.proto
fn servermount { status='' } 
fn serverupdate { status='' }

fn clientmount { status='' }
c=/n/inst/dist/replica
clientroot=/n/inst
clientproto=$c/plan9.proto
clientdb=$c/client/plan9.db
clientexclude=(dist/replica/client)
clientlog=$c/client/plan9.log

applyopt=(-t -u -T$c/client/plan9.time)

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> Drawterm talks on tcp17013.

That's what I thought, and I had created tcp17013.  Maybe it had
to do with some other problems I was having at the same time with
keyfs (I mistyped the password when I initially started it, since
it couldn't find my nvram file; that caused all kinds of woe later
on until I ditched the keys file and recreated it from scratch).

> Maybe that's your problem.

No, I was just confused.  I saw that cpu() and noteproc() dialed
the old ports in drawterm.c, but neglected to notice that the
calls to those functions were commented out.  Mea cupla.

> ocpu is very o.

So is it fine to just remove tcp17005 and tcp17006 then?

	- Dan C.


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Has anyone written any code for any of these things?  In particular for
ones based on the Prolific PL2303 chip?  I have two of them that I'd like
to use, and the datasheet, so writing a fs to handle them shouldn't be
too hard.  But perhaps someone's already done the work.  If not, is there
any advice for writing a user-level process that looks like a UART?

	- Dan C.


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>> fixed the problem, though I find that I still can't get to /mnt/term,
>> (this is from FreeBSD, by the way) which is a major, serious, bummer.
> 
> 
> see if you can cd to /mnt/term/home/$user directly, or try
> cd-ing to /mnt/term/stand for example...
> 
> i had the same problem just yesterday and found that 'du -a' was able
> to read /mnt/term while 'ls' was not...

If this is the "bad character in file name #/", there is a work-around for it.
A variation of one that was suggested a while back, that I use is:

cpu% mkdir termdrive # assuming you don't have one already
cpu% bind -ac /mnt/term termdrive
cpu% lnfs termdrive # optional

A message a while back from Russ said that this was a known
bug.


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> If this is the "bad character in file name #/", there is a work-around for it.
> A variation of one that was suggested a while back, that I use is:
> 
> cpu% mkdir termdrive # assuming you don't have one already
> cpu% bind -ac /mnt/term termdrive
> cpu% lnfs termdrive # optional
> 
> A message a while back from Russ said that this was a known
> bug.

Thanks Skip, this is really helpful.  I now do this from my
profile when I'm invoked from drawterm:

	mntgen
	bind -ac /mnt/term /n/term

And then I'm good to go.  Thanks again!

	- Dan C.


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> I wonder, fossil, why so geological name?

From a view point of geologist, I suppose fossil is not so 'geologic'
name.  ?

Kenji


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is there an easy way to obtain disk usage stats for fossil?

thanks



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dictionary-translator said me that this is geologic 
word (e.g., in expression ``useful fossils''). 
It`s not right?

-kyxap

> From a view point of geologist, I suppose fossil is not
> so 'geologic' name.  ?
>
> Kenji

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> is there an easy way to obtain disk usage stats for fossil?

not without writing some code.


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i lied.  you can run flchk -f.
it will take longer than necessary,
but eventually print disk usage stats.


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It has both the letters f and s in it, was in out dictionary,
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> I wonder, fossil, why so geological name?

 From a view point of geologist, I suppose fossil is not so 'geologic'
name.  ?

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Yep. I already saw flck, but I was wondering about
some field in some hdr about the # of blocks. I found no
such thing.

In any case, flck is enough for me now; I'm using fossil
as our file server for daily work, don't know how it behaves
when the partition gets full and was a bit scared about that.

thanks a lot

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When a partition gets full you get lots of disk full
errors, as you might expect.  Unlike in a normal file system, you
might not even be able to walk around and read the file system,
since walking the file system potentially means allocating
blocks to update atimes.

It recovers gracefully though.  When sources filled
a few weeks ago, I just connected to the console and
tossed some old snapshots with epoch -y.

If you fill the write buffer and have no snapshots to
discard, then all your blocks must be mutable, so 
you should be able to walk around in the file system
and remove files.  We should probably keep a few
blocks reserved for running an emergency flush-to-Venti 
`snap -a'.  (There's little hope for recording the snapshot
in the /archive tree, but if we kept one block around then
we could use it to clone the root and start an archive of
the resulting anonymous snapshot.)

Russ


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On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> There are no buffer overflows anyway.  ;-)


I see the smiley, but have to reply anyway. this is not a nasty jab
at Russ, just a fix (I hope :)

there's a buffer overflow in cpu.c (strcpy):

% cpu -h `{perl -e '{print "A"x100;}'}
cpu 116986: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x19000 pc=0x00005b8b
plan9% acid 116986
/proc/116986/text:386 plan 9 executable

/sys/lib/acid/port
/sys/lib/acid/386
acid: stk()
At pc:0x00005b8b:fmtfmt+0x1f /sys/src/libc/fmt/fmt.c:63
fmtfmt(c=0x00000073) /sys/src/libc/fmt/fmt.c:57
        called from _fmtdispatch+0x83 /sys/src/libc/fmt/fmt.c:175
_fmtdispatch(isrunes=0x00000000,f=0x7fffeb48,fmt=0x000168b6) /sys/src/libc/fmt/fmt.c:113
        called from dofmt+0x75 /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:62
dofmt(fmt=0x000168b4,f=0x7fffeb48) /sys/src/libc/fmt/dofmt.c:7
        called from vsnprint+0x62 /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:20
vsnprint(len=0x00000100,buf=0x00018734,args=0x7fffebac,fmt=0x000168b0) /sys/src/libc/fmt/vsnprint.c:5
        called from snprint+0x2b /sys/src/libc/fmt/snprint.c:13
snprint(fmt=0x000168b0,buf=0x00018734,len=0x00000100) /sys/src/libc/fmt/snprint.c:5
        called from netmkaddr+0x5e /sys/src/libc/port/netmkaddr.c:34
netmkaddr(linear=0x00017e0c,defnet=0x00000000,defsrv=0x00016978) /sys/src/libc/port/netmkaddr.c:10
        called from rexcall+0x28 /sys/src/cmd/cpu.c:347
rexcall(host=0x00017e0c,service=0x00016978,fd=0x7fffed98) /sys/src/cmd/cpu.c:339
        called from main+0x132 /sys/src/cmd/cpu.c:147
main(argv=0x7fffef84,argc=0x00000000) /sys/src/cmd/cpu.c:77
        called from _main+0x31 /sys/src/libc/386/main9.s:16
acid:


----------------------

here's the fix:

plan9% diff cpu.c /sys/src/cmd/cpu.c
121c121
<               strncpy(system, p, sizeof system);
---
>               strcpy(system, p);
plan9% 8c cpu.c; 8l cpu.8
plan9% 8.out -h `{perl -e '{print "A"x100}'}
cpu: can't dial: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA: cs: can't translate address
plan9%






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Keeping blocks reserved looks much better for me,
since (for example, in my case) fossil can be your
root file system, and you'll need to read it just to boot
enough to recover it.

By now I think I'll just make an emergency boot disk with
that runs just the fossil console, to let me type without
using the fossil.

thanks a lot.

PS: /main/snapshot/ is great.

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> Keeping blocks reserved looks much better for me,
> since (for example, in my case) fossil can be your
> root file system, and you'll need to read it just to boot
> enough to recover it.

This doesn't make sense to me.

The only time you need blocks in reserve is when:

	- you are out of disk space
	- you have no snapshots to discard
	- you do not want to remove any data from the write buffer
	- you want to do an anonymous archival snapshot

If you mount the file system read-only you can *always*
read the whole thing.

Reserving two blocks on the disk for anonymous
archival snapshot roots would be sufficient to solve the problem:
you can be using at most one for the current file system root,
so at least one must be free (or at least, will be free once the
archiver finishes archiving that snapshot).

> By now I think I'll just make an emergency boot disk with
> that runs just the fossil console, to let me type without
> using the fossil.

I would just boot the bleeding edge sources CD.
Then you'd have a whole system at your disposal.

Russ


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I'm confussed.
If you said that the fossil in sources is already reserving those
two blocks for that purpose, then I didn't understand it right and I'll
delete the rescue kernel I just made.

If you said instead that fossil should reserve those two blocks but it's
not doing so yet, then I think that means `as of today there're some times
when it would allow you to run snap -a'. 

But in any case, I'm running right now with the sources as of yesterday night (madrid
time), and a pull this morning got nothing new for fossil.

Maybe I just need a coffee :-)

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There are two separate issues here.

#1:
You don't ever need a `rescue' kernel.  It's unlikely that a kernel
with any particular preordained set of tools would be that helpful
without being enormous.  A bootable CD with the full system
(which already exists) would be a lot more helpful.

#2:
Fossil does *not* reserve two blocks for emergency archival
snapshots.  As of today there are times when you would get stuck
and not be able to do anything.  However, that *only* happens when:

	- your disk is full
	- *and* you have no snapshots to discard or refuse to discard them
	- *and* you refuse to delete one of your active files to make space

Notice that being ``stuck'' requires stubbornness on your part
in addition to Fossil being out of disk space.

In that situation, right now, as of today, the right thing to do is:

	- stop being stubborn
	- pick an active file
	- copy it somewhere else
	- remove it
	- run snap -a to archive blocks to Venti,
		hopefully freeing most of the disk
	- copy the file back

You can *always* do that.

Russ


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Ok. Now I understand. Sorry I didnt catch on
the first time.

I don't need to worry then. I have snapshots around that I can just
delete if that case ever happens. Don't know why but I understood that
I needed the space even to discard a snapshot.

Thanks a lot.

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> It has both the letters f and s in it, was in out dictionary,
> and has a feel of permanence.

It is efficient by being skeletal?


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Andrey writes:
| <               strncpy(system, p, sizeof system);

That still has the problem that strncpy is not required to NUL terminate
the destination.  How about strecpy?

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g% pull
c sys/src/cmd/cpu.c
c 386/bin/cpu
g% 

g% cpu -h `{perl -e 'print "a"x1000'}
cpu: can't dial: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa: cs: can't translate address
g% 


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I agree, this opens up a whole new can of worms, as illustrated here:

Miller, T. C., Raadt, T. D.
strlcpy and strlcat -- Consistent, Safe, String Copy and Concatenation.
Proceedings of USENIX Annual Technical Conference. June,
1999. http://www.openbsd.org/papers/strlcpy-paper.ps

on the other hand I think we're in the unique position to fix strncpy
instead of adding another syscall -- after all it's not Ken C we're
dealing with :)

andrey

On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Scott Schwartz wrote:

> Andrey writes:
> | <               strncpy(system, p, sizeof system);
>
> That still has the problem that strncpy is not required to NUL terminate
> the destination.  How about strecpy?
>


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or, we can just avoid it altogether...

s/Ken C/ANSI C/ in the previous email

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> Miller, T. C., Raadt, T. D.
> strlcpy and strlcat -- Consistent, Safe, String Copy and Concatenation.
> Proceedings of USENIX Annual Technical Conference. June,
> 1999. http://www.openbsd.org/papers/strlcpy-paper.ps

surely this is near the top of the list for most trivial usenix paper ever.

> on the other hand I think we're in the unique position to fix strncpy
> instead of adding another syscall

strecpy serves a similar purpose.

we left strncat alone to avoid surprises when porting plan 9
code to other systems.


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The Plan 9 faq is posted to comp.os.plan9 at the beginning of each month.
It is also at news.answers archive sites, look for comp-os/plan9-faq

The latest hypertext version of the faq is available at url
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pcc bugette: -P option tacks on an extra dot in filename of pre-processed files
 
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<                       append(&cpp, changeext(objs.strings[i], ".i"));
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Russ Cox wrote:
> we left strncat alone to avoid surprises when porting plan 9
> code to other systems.

An excellent policy, which also helps in importing software
from other systems.  Standards have a purpose.

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> An excellent policy, which also helps in importing software
> from other systems.  Standards have a purpose.

as i wrote that, i suspected you would approve.


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It is probably named after Fossil, OR.

Fossil, OR (city, FIPS 26650)
Location: 44.99841 N, 120.21319 W
Population (1990): 399 (224 housing units)
Area: 2.0 sq km (land), 0.0 sq km (water)
Source: U.S. Gazetteer, U.S. Census Bureau 

With this trend one can expect that the future versions of all Plan9
components would be named after little known towns with funny
names.  I say we start in PA.  Intercourse, Climax and Blueballs come
to mind.  How about one named after Tightwad, MO -- this could
be some sort of memory checker, or Bucksnort, TN  -- perhaps
the new name fo olefs?


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Hi,

	I just added some tiny scripts to configure the pcmcia disk
and some other things at sources under /nemo. The push should finish
in a while.

hth


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I set up a consolefs on my CPU/auth server, using USB<->Serial
converters to give myself more serial ports than I really had
(there are only two machines; I loop /dev/eia0 from the auth
server back to one of the USB ports, and then I have the file
server plugged into another USB port).  I start aux/consolefs
from cpurc before just about anything else, and /mnt/consoles
looks fine.  The only problem is that when I try to run ``C''
from anywhere, /mnt/consoles comes up as an empty directory.
What's up with that?  Shouldn't /mnt/consoles be in the name
space of whatever is answering the listen for import?  I've
worked around it by doing something like the following:

	mntgen
	import $server '#s' /n/$server^srv
	mount /n/$server^srv/consoles /mnt/consoles

instead of just trying: import $server /mnt/consoles.  That
works fine, but I can't help but feel like I'm missing something
obvious.  Thanks!

	- Dan C.


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When scanning USB status files, I see a lot of ``Enabled 0x000000''.
Surely the vendor/class/device strings really *aren't* all zero's;
has anyone else seen this?

	- Dan C.


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How are people using ip/httpd/httpd with X.509 certs for https starting
it?  I ran into a problem trying to start it (granted, on a terminal, but
I can't imagine a CPU server would be different in this regard) where it
was looking for the secret key corresponding to the cert I created in the
local factotum (owned by me) and failing because at that point, httpd had
switched to running as none.  So, it seems obvious that I've got to start
a factotum as none before I start httpd, or do something similar, but it
seems worth asking what other people are doing?

	- Dan C.


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No, that's quite likely. If the device class of the device descriptor
is set to 0, so will be the subclass, and most likely the protocol. It
indicates that the real information is within the configuration.

As it says in Table 9-7 of USB 1,1:

	If this field is reset to zero, each interface
	within a configuration specifies its own
	class information and the various
	interfaces operate independently.

Configurations represent different operating modes of a device; this
is often used to have a device which has behaviour according to the
standard, and a proprietary mode as well. Quite a lot of proprietary
devices pass the buck to the configuration descriptor.

Unfortunately, the Plan 9 arrangements don't express alternate
configurations.

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Subject: [9fans] USB weirdness.


When scanning USB status files, I see a lot of ``Enabled 0x000000''.
Surely the vendor/class/device strings really *aren't* all zero's;
has anyone else seen this?

	- Dan C.


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> No, that's quite likely. If the device class of the device descriptor
> is set to 0, so will be the subclass, and most likely the protocol. It
> indicates that the real information is within the configuration.
> 
> As it says in Table 9-7 of USB 1,1:
> 
> 	If this field is reset to zero, each interface
> 	within a configuration specifies its own
> 	class information and the various
> 	interfaces operate independently.
> 
> Configurations represent different operating modes of a device; this
> is often used to have a device which has behaviour according to the
> standard, and a proprietary mode as well. Quite a lot of proprietary
> devices pass the buck to the configuration descriptor.

Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

> Unfortunately, the Plan 9 arrangements don't express alternate
> configurations.

Bummer.  So does this mean I'll have to open every device that's
``Enabled 0x000000'' and probe the configuration to find the device
I'm looking for?  Hmm....  Okay.

	- Dan C.


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You need to mount #s/consoles in your
/lib/namespace.console-server-name, 
as done in /sys/lib/sysconfig/auth/boundary/namespace.boundary.

Russ


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> You need to mount #s/consoles in your
> /lib/namespace.console-server-name, 
> as done in /sys/lib/sysconfig/auth/boundary/namespace.boundary.

Cool.  I knew it was something simple.  Thanks, Russ.  Still, I'm
not sure I don't like changing C around a little better....  Hmm.

	- Dan C.


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you'll have the same problem when you cpu to the server.
or ssh to the server.  or anything else.

unless you put the fix in the namespace file. 
that's what it's for.


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> you'll have the same problem when you cpu to the server.
> or ssh to the server.  or anything else.

Well, by having the import in the script, C works consistently
everywhere.

> unless you put the fix in the namespace file. 
> that's what it's for.

That's assuming I want the files in everyone's namespace, or want
to be able to get at them from ssh or cpu (and again, C still works).
Not that it matters if other people can see them, of course.

	- Dan C.


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Hi,

	I just couldn't resist to tell you that here we're now running
using fossil with its partitions (as well as venti's) living in a raid
made with fs(3). It's just great. We're now using a single server
to service both auth and fs. All other machines are really stateless,
which means that there's just a single machine to admin (no consolefs,
more ups time, less points of failure, highly available alan parsons
project mp3 service, ...)

BTW, fossil seems to be quite robust. We had no panics, no aborts. It's
a great file system.


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I'm new to Plan 9 and have been working on bringing up a CPU server
that also runs as an auth server.

This is all under VMWare, althought that doesn't seem to be causing a
problem.

CPU server kernel successfully built following the docs in the the
wiki. Net configured following the docs in the wiki as well.

Using two (virtual) machines one configured as a terminal, the other
as cpu and auth server.

IP addresses are fixed and domain name resolution seems OK. Telnet and
ftp work fine other machines, that is, linux and windows.

On the cpu machine, auth commands, e.g. changeuser, wrkey, etc seem to
execute OK and show messages in the log. I do have warnings in the
auth log about keyfs starting.

Examination of /net/il and /net/tcp shows ports 566 and 567
respectively in listen mode.

The optional parameter on ip/ipconfig was used in cpurc and termrc on
the respective machines to set the address of the auth server and
verified in /net/ndb.

auth/wrkey was used to set, as I understand it, the auth domain to
willnet.

Upon issuing the cpu command on the terminal the following message
returned:
cpu: can't authenticate: glenda: auth_proxy rpc write: <black square
here>bootes: no auth server found for willnet

Upon issuing a telnet to the cpu machine to following message was
returned:
authentication failure: auth server protocol botch

glenda really is the cpu machine. bootes really is the authid used in
the wrkey command.


Folks, I'm sure I've screwed up something simple and probably don't
clearly understand the ins and outs of the setup. It seems like it's
almost there and just needs a tweak or two.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Will

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> cpu: can't authenticate: glenda: auth_proxy rpc write: <black square
> here>bootes: no auth server found for willnet

Did you update your /lib/ndb to specify the auth entry?


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Hello,

 >How are people using ip/httpd/httpd with X.509 certs
 >for https starting it?
Look http://plan9/pegasus/eman-2.0/https.html
There is my code in cpurc for Pegasus. Essentially same as
ip/httpd/httpd.


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On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Kenji Arisawa wrote:

> Hello,
> 
>  >How are people using ip/httpd/httpd with X.509 certs
>  >for https starting it?
> Look http://plan9/pegasus/eman-2.0/https.html
Is this the correct URL?

-ishwar

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>With this trend one can expect that the future versions of all Plan9
>components would be named after little known towns with funny
>names.  I say we start in PA.  Intercourse, Climax and Blueballs come
>to mind.  How about one named after Tightwad, MO -- this could
>be some sort of memory checker, or Bucksnort, TN  -- perhaps
>the new name fo olefs?

A good idea in principle, but isn't it needlessly restrictive to consider
only names of towns in the USA? Surely the village of Wank in Germany
deserves to have a software tool named after it?

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>
>> Hello,
>>
>>> How are people using ip/httpd/httpd with X.509 certs
>>> for https starting it?
>> Look http://plan9/pegasus/eman-2.0/https.html
> Is this the correct URL?
>
> -ishwar
>
Sorry, incorrect
Correct one is: http://plan9.aichi-u.ac.jp/pegasus/eman-2.0/https.html

Kenji Arisawa


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> Did you update your /lib/ndb to specify the auth entry?

Yes, and I have made a bit of progress, but some things remain
unclear. One thing I had missed was setting authdom in /lib/ndb/local
on each machine. The current situation is:

Reboot the cpu/auth server.

Reboot the terminal. During the reboot, when prompted for a user name,
any will do; it just trips up on not having directories, etc. if you
give it user that hasn't had the disk/kfscmd 'newuser ...' run on it.
It doesn't seem in touch with the auth server. Does that sound right?
Should it be?

Once the terminal is up, auth/login and telnet (to the cpu machine)
will fail giving a message that seems to indicate that it doesn't know
the auth domain and is doesn't have a key (I don't have the text
(sorry) at the moment, and I've got to actullay get to work here).
Should, in fact, auth/login and telnet work at this point?

Next, trying the cpu command at this point will elicit a little
message about adding a key or something and fail with the message I
wrote in my first posting.

Then, lo and behold, if I try auth/login or telnet they work!

And after a successful auth/login, the cpu command works! So, does one
have to auth/login before cpu will work in all cases?

I don't quite get the relationship between the commands and need to do
some more reading.

Thanks,
Will Collum

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Hi,

I'm going to set up a plan9 network. I've no experiences with Plan9 so
far.
Thus I would be thankfully for any hints / "walk-throughs" for setting
up a plan 9 network.
BTW I'm just working with PC's!
Greets 
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There was a news reader (rin) from york (I think) though I seem to rembember
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/acme/news/guide, though there are some features missing.


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Andrew Simmons wrote:
> A good idea in principle, but isn't it needlessly restrictive to consider
> only names of towns in the USA? Surely the village of Wank in Germany
> deserves to have a software tool named after it?

Surely it would need the option to wank recursively.

-Jack


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already is software called swank - a java tk thing
> Version 0.6 of SWANK, a GUI toolkit written in Java and similar to Tk, is
> now available.

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> Andrew Simmons wrote:
> > A good idea in principle, but isn't it needlessly restrictive to
consider
> > only names of towns in the USA? Surely the village of Wank in Germany
> > deserves to have a software tool named after it?
>
> Surely it would need the option to wank recursively.
>
> -Jack
>
>


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Take a look at the Plan 9 wiki. There a link through
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9


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> How do people use nntpfs(1) ?

i did start using it, but found it hideously slow to start up, as it
checks info on all newsgroups at startup (a quick "list newsgroups" on
our nntp server gives a 1.8MB file, listing 41045 groups, which took
about 10 minutes to download - it's on a slower link than our usual
net connection).

there is an acme client that uses nntpfs; again, i didn't get very far
with it for the slowness reason...

  cheers,
    rog.


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Jack Johnson wrote:
> Surely it would need the option to wank recursively.

I think a more Plan9 approach would be for it to mount itself.

Chris.



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it wouldn't be hard to add a newsgroup list
cache or a message cache to nntpfs.  it also
wouldn't be hard to make the acme news client
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if anyone's interested...


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I've updated the kernel sources for:

port/netif.h
port/netif.c
port/wavelan.h
port/wavelan.c

to try to get scanning for base stations/access points to
work.  I ripped off what I could from Linux but seem to be
faiing miserably.  If I don't set the essid, the scanning seems
to work but doesn't return the essid of the access points.
It also doesn't get all the access points in range.  If I
set the essid, it gets them all and returns the essid values.

I'm clearly doing something wrong but don't see what.  If
anyone can help, I'ld appreciate it.

To get the scanning to work:

	% cd /net/ether0/0
	% cat data &
	% echo scanbs 5 > ctl

The '5' is the seconds between scans (5 is the minimum).

You might also want to turn stuff off to see if it changes
things:

	% echo crypt off > ctl
	% echo essid default > ctl

Thanks

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>I think a more Plan9 approach would be for it to mount itself.

Good point. But what would be the appropriate place name for an application
that preferred to bind itself?


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I've got this kind of thing to work for other cards, though I haven't looked
at it specifically for the wavelan design.  I'd look first to what is going
out over the air using Airopeek or some other 802.11 sniffer.

Scanning usually is done actively with a probe request or passively by
listening for beacons (the firmware or driver software may combine them if
the ssid is hidden).  A scan command results in a card spending some amount
of time on each valid channel listening, or actively asking if someone is
there (you tell him who to ask for).  If your scan sample time is to short
you can miss beacons or responses, if your valid channel list is wrong you
might skip channels which ap's are on.  These parameters are embedded
somewhere, likely in a mib which the driver can access.

If your AP is configured to hide its ssid, it generally sends out the same
number of blanks as the name should be for the name field in the beacon.  To
know if this is your ap you must send out a probe with the proper name to
this station, he will respond directly to you if you got it right.  From
there the 802.11 auth and association steps can happen as you know the
proper mac address of the ap.  Its common for several AP's to be assigned
the same name, in this case you should really listen for the one with the
strongest signal strength as its likely the closest.

Sorry if this isn't useful, if nothing else it might make some of the magic
numbers which always seem to be about to have some more meaning.

Regards,

Richard W.


"David Presotto" <presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com> wrote in message
news:<0804bb7df734019ee83edc06179e4f32@plan9.bell-labs.com>...
> I've updated the kernel sources for:
> 
> port/netif.h
> port/netif.c
> port/wavelan.h
> port/wavelan.c
> 
> to try to get scanning for base stations/access points to work.  I 
> ripped off what I could from Linux but seem to be faiing miserably.  
> If I don't set the essid, the scanning seems to work but doesn't 
> return the essid of the access points. It also doesn't get all the 
> access points in range.  If I set the essid, it gets them all and 
> returns the essid values.
> 
> I'm clearly doing something wrong but don't see what.  If anyone can 
> help, I'ld appreciate it.
> 
> To get the scanning to work:
> 
> 	% cd /net/ether0/0
> 	% cat data &
> 	% echo scanbs 5 > ctl
> 
> The '5' is the seconds between scans (5 is the minimum).
> 
> You might also want to turn stuff off to see if it changes
> things:
> 
> 	% echo crypt off > ctl
> 	% echo essid default > ctl
> 
> Thanks

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It's useful.  It could be that our access points are configured to
not give up their essid's to probes unless the probes contain the
right essid (I am sending out probes, I see it on the card lights).
I hadn't even considered that possibility.  I'll find an access
point that I can configure myself and see.

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i have an access point (but without a gold card) we can reconfigure.
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It's useful.  It could be that our access points are configured to
not give up their essid's to probes unless the probes contain the
right essid (I am sending out probes, I see it on the card lights).
I hadn't even considered that possibility.  I'll find an access
point that I can configure myself and see.
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sorry, i meant that to go only to presotto.

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I fixed a bug in tm2sec() where it didn't take into account tm->yday.
Now, if tm->yday is nonzero, it uses that instead of accumulating
seconds based on month and day in month.  A patch in diff -e format
follows.

btw- The handling of tm->year seems suboptimal to me; shouldn't this be
the 4 digit year, instead of the current year - 1900?  I realize that
on Unix, (struct tm *)->tm_year is years since 1900, but this isn't
Unix, and it just strikes me as goofy.

	- Dan C.

term% diff -e /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/libc/9sys/tm2sec.c tm2sec.c
76,79c
		/*
		 * secs in last month
		 */
		secs += (tm->mday-1) * SEC2DAY;
	}
.
69,74c
	if (tm->yday != 0)
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		/*
		 *  seconds per month
		 */
		d2m = yrsize(year);
		for(i = 0; i < tm->mon; i++)
			secs += d2m[i+1] * SEC2DAY;
.
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It's very goofy but I don't feel like changing it.

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> It's very goofy but I don't feel like changing it.

I don't feel like changing it tonight but maybe in a week or two I
would feel differently.  Does anyone strenuously object?

	- Dan C.


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I strenuously object to changing the meaning of tm->year.
Maybe I'm a curmudgeon.  It would probably be better in
the long run but in the short run I really don't want to 
find all the programs that it would break.

I don't object to your yday patch.


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> I strenuously object to changing the meaning of tm->year.
> Maybe I'm a curmudgeon.  It would probably be better in
> the long run but in the short run I really don't want to 
> find all the programs that it would break.

How curmudgeony.  Okay, fine; we leave tm->year as is for now.

> I don't object to your yday patch.

Cool.

	- Dan C.


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Here's a new version of /sys/src/libauthsrv/readnvram.c that uses
environment variables (if present) to define the nvram file, offset and
length.  There's some protective logic to try and avoid blowing away
9fat partitions (as I did accidentally---not once, but twice---while
testing).  The variables in question are:

nvr=

Give this a spec pointing to an nvram or 9fat partition.  Eg,
nvr=#S/sdC0/nvram or nvr=#S/sdC0/9fat.  If you use 9fat, you
can specify multiple files within the 9fat partition:
nvr=#S/sdC0/9fat!none.nvr or nvr=#S/sdC0/9fat!plan9-2.nvr.

If the nvr contains the string, ``/9fat'', readnvram() assumes that
its working with a 9fat partition.

The other variables are:

nvroff=

and

nvrlen=

to define the offset within nvr and length of the nvram, respectively.
These are to allow weird things within a single nvram file.  Odds are,
you won't have to use them unless you want to do something weird like
use a raw floppy disk as the nvram.  Note however that (1) if using a
file within a 9fat partition, nvroff= is ignored and the nvrlen is
always taken to be 512 bytes, (2) setting nvroff=dos or nvroff=-1 are
alternatve ways to tell readnvram() that it's working with a DOS
partition (for instance, if you're 9fat partition is named something
weird).

	- Dan C.

#include <u.h>
#include <libc.h>
#include <authsrv.h>

static long	finddosfile(int, char*);

static int
check(void *x, int len, uchar sum, char *msg)
{
	if(nvcsum(x, len) == sum)
		return 0;
	memset(x, 0, len);
	fprint(2, "%s\n", msg);
	return 1;
}

/*
 *  get key info out of nvram.  since there isn't room in the PC's nvram use
 *  a disk partition there.
 */
static struct {
	char *cputype;
	char *file;
	int off;
	int len;
} nvtab[] = {
	"sparc", "#r/nvram", 1024+850, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
	"pc", "#S/sdC0/nvram", 0, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
	"pc", "#S/sdC0/9fat", -1, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
	"pc", "#S/sd00/nvram", 0, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
	"pc", "#S/sd00/9fat", -1, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
	"pc", "#f/fd0disk", -1, 512,	/* 512: #f requires whole sector reads */
	"pc", "#f/fd1disk", -1, 512,
	"mips", "#r/nvram", 1024+900, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
	"power", "#F/flash/flash0", 0x300000, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
	"power", "#r/nvram", 4352, sizeof(Nvrsafe),	/* OK for MTX-604e */
	"debug", "/tmp/nvram", 0, sizeof(Nvrsafe),
};

static char*
readcons(char *prompt, char *def, int raw, char *buf, int nbuf)
{
	int fdin, fdout, ctl, n, m;
	char line[10];

	fdin = open("/dev/cons", OREAD);
	if(fdin < 0)
		fdin = 0;
	fdout = open("/dev/cons", OWRITE);
	if(fdout < 0)
		fdout = 1;
	if(def != nil)
		fprint(fdout, "%s[%s]: ", prompt, def);
	else
		fprint(fdout, "%s: ", prompt);
	if(raw){
		ctl = open("/dev/consctl", OWRITE);
		if(ctl >= 0)
			write(ctl, "rawon", 5);
	} else
		ctl = -1;

	m = 0;
	for(;;){
		n = read(fdin, line, 1);
		if(n == 0){
			close(ctl);
			werrstr("readcons: EOF");
			return nil;
		}
		if(n < 0){
			close(ctl);
			werrstr("can't read cons");
			return nil;
		}
		if(line[0] == 0x7f)
			exits(0);
		if(n == 0 || line[0] == '\n' || line[0] == '\r'){
			if(raw){
				write(ctl, "rawoff", 6);
				write(fdout, "\n", 1);
				close(ctl);
			}
			buf[m] = '\0';
			if(buf[0]=='\0' && def)
				strcpy(buf, def);
			return buf;
		}
		if(line[0] == '\b'){
			if(m > 0)
				m--;
		}else if(line[0] == 0x15){	/* ^U: line kill */
			m = 0;
			if(def != nil)
				fprint(fdout, "%s[%s]: ", prompt, def);
			else
				fprint(fdout, "%s: ", prompt);
		}else{
			if(m >= nbuf-1){
				fprint(fdout, "line too long\n");
				m = 0;
				if(def != nil)
					fprint(fdout, "%s[%s]: ", prompt, def);
				else
					fprint(fdout, "%s: ", prompt);
			}else
				buf[m++] = line[0];
		}
	}
	return buf;	/* how does this happen */
}


/*
 *  get key info out of nvram.  since there isn't room in the PC's nvram use
 *  a disk partition there.
 */
int
readnvram(Nvrsafe *safep, int flag)
{
	char buf[1024], in[128], *cputype, *nvrfile, *nvrlen, *nvroff, *v[2];
	int fd, err, i, safeoff, safelen;
	Nvrsafe *safe;

	err = 0;
	memset(safep, 0, sizeof(*safep));

	nvrfile = getenv("nvr");
	cputype = getenv("cputype");
	if(cputype == nil)
		cputype = "mips";
	if(strcmp(cputype, "386")==0 || strcmp(cputype, "alpha")==0)
		cputype = "pc";

	safe = (Nvrsafe*)buf;

	fd = -1;
	safeoff = -1;
	safelen = -1;
	if (nvrfile != nil) {
		i = gettokens(nvrfile, v, nelem(v), "!");
		fd = open(v[0], ORDWR);
		safelen = sizeof(Nvrsafe);
		if (strstr(v[0], "/9fat") == nil)
			safeoff = 0;
		nvrlen = getenv("nvrlen");
		if (nvrlen != nil)
			safelen = atoi(nvrlen);
		nvroff = getenv("nvroff");
		if (nvroff != nil) {
			if (strcmp(nvroff, "dos") == 0)
				safeoff = -1;
			else
				safeoff = atoi(nvroff);
		}
		if (safeoff < 0 && fd >= 0) {
			safelen = 512;
			safeoff = finddosfile(fd, i == 2 ? v[1] : "plan9.nvr");
			if (safeoff < 0) {
				close(fd);
				fd = -1;
			}
		}
		free(nvrfile);
		if (nvrlen != nil)
			free(nvrlen);
		if (nvroff != nil)
			free(nvroff);
	} else {
		for(i=0; i<nelem(nvtab); i++){
			if(strcmp(cputype, nvtab[i].cputype) != 0)
				continue;
			if((fd = open(nvtab[i].file, ORDWR)) < 0)
				continue;
			safeoff = nvtab[i].off;
			safelen = nvtab[i].len;
			if(safeoff == -1){
				safeoff = finddosfile(fd, "plan9.nvr");
				if(safeoff < 0){
					close(fd);
					fd = -1;
					continue;
				}
			}
			break;
		}
	}

	if(fd < 0
	|| seek(fd, safeoff, 0) < 0
	|| read(fd, buf, safelen) != safelen){
		err = 1;
		if(flag&(NVwrite|NVwriteonerr))
			fprint(2, "can't read nvram: %r\n");
		memset(safep, 0, sizeof(*safep));
		safe = safep;
	}else{
		*safep = *safe;
		safe = safep;

		err |= check(safe->machkey, DESKEYLEN, safe->machsum, "bad nvram key");
//		err |= check(safe->config, CONFIGLEN, safe->configsum, "bad secstore key");
		err |= check(safe->authid, ANAMELEN, safe->authidsum, "bad authentication id");
		err |= check(safe->authdom, DOMLEN, safe->authdomsum, "bad authentication domain");
	}

	if((flag&NVwrite) || (err && (flag&NVwriteonerr))){
		readcons("authid", nil, 0, safe->authid, sizeof(safe->authid));
		readcons("authdom", nil, 0, safe->authdom, sizeof(safe->authdom));
		readcons("secstore key", nil, 1, safe->config, sizeof(safe->config));
		for(;;){
			if(readcons("password", nil, 1, in, sizeof in) == nil)
				goto Out;
			if(passtokey(safe->machkey, in))
				break;
		}
		safe->machsum = nvcsum(safe->machkey, DESKEYLEN);
		safe->configsum = nvcsum(safe->config, CONFIGLEN);
		safe->authidsum = nvcsum(safe->authid, sizeof(safe->authid));
		safe->authdomsum = nvcsum(safe->authdom, sizeof(safe->authdom));
		*(Nvrsafe*)buf = *safe;
		if(seek(fd, safeoff, 0) < 0
		|| write(fd, buf, safelen) != safelen){
			fprint(2, "can't write key to nvram: %r\n");
			err = 1;
		}else
			err = 0;
	}
Out:
	close(fd);
	return err ? -1 : 0;
}

typedef struct Dosboot	Dosboot;
struct Dosboot{
	uchar	magic[3];	/* really an xx86 JMP instruction */
	uchar	version[8];
	uchar	sectsize[2];
	uchar	clustsize;
	uchar	nresrv[2];
	uchar	nfats;
	uchar	rootsize[2];
	uchar	volsize[2];
	uchar	mediadesc;
	uchar	fatsize[2];
	uchar	trksize[2];
	uchar	nheads[2];
	uchar	nhidden[4];
	uchar	bigvolsize[4];
	uchar	driveno;
	uchar	reserved0;
	uchar	bootsig;
	uchar	volid[4];
	uchar	label[11];
	uchar	type[8];
};
#define	GETSHORT(p) (((p)[1]<<8) | (p)[0])
#define	GETLONG(p) ((GETSHORT((p)+2) << 16) | GETSHORT((p)))

typedef struct Dosdir	Dosdir;
struct Dosdir
{
	char	name[8];
	char	ext[3];
	uchar	attr;
	uchar	reserved[10];
	uchar	time[2];
	uchar	date[2];
	uchar	start[2];
	uchar	length[4];
};

static char*
dosparse(char *from, char *to, int len)
{
	char c;

	memset(to, ' ', len);
	if(from == 0)
		return 0;
	while(len-- > 0){
		c = *from++;
		if(c == '.')
			return from;
		if(c == 0)
			break;
		if(c >= 'a' && c <= 'z')
			*to++ = c + 'A' - 'a';
		else
			*to++ = c;
	}
	return 0;
}

/*
 *  return offset of first file block
 *
 *  This is a very simplistic dos file system.  It only
 *  works on floppies, only looks in the root, and only
 *  returns a pointer to the first block of a file.
 *
 *  This exists for cpu servers that have no hard disk
 *  or nvram to store the key on.
 *
 *  Please don't make this any smarter: it stays resident
 *  and I'ld prefer not to waste the space on something that
 *  runs only at boottime -- presotto.
 */
static long
finddosfile(int fd, char *file)
{
	uchar secbuf[512];
	char name[8];
	char ext[3];
	Dosboot	*b;
	Dosdir *root, *dp;
	int nroot, sectsize, rootoff, rootsects, n;

	/* dos'ize file name */
	file = dosparse(file, name, 8);
	dosparse(file, ext, 3);

	/* read boot block, check for sanity */
	b = (Dosboot*)secbuf;
	if(read(fd, secbuf, sizeof(secbuf)) != sizeof(secbuf))
		return -1;
	if(b->magic[0] != 0xEB || b->magic[1] != 0x3C || b->magic[2] != 0x90)
		return -1;
	sectsize = GETSHORT(b->sectsize);
	if(sectsize != 512)
		return -1;
	rootoff = (GETSHORT(b->nresrv) + b->nfats*GETSHORT(b->fatsize)) * sectsize;
	if(seek(fd, rootoff, 0) < 0)
		return -1;
	nroot = GETSHORT(b->rootsize);
	rootsects = (nroot*sizeof(Dosdir)+sectsize-1)/sectsize;
	if(rootsects <= 0 || rootsects > 64)
		return -1;

	/* 
	 *  read root. it is contiguous to make stuff like
	 *  this easier
	 */
	root = malloc(rootsects*sectsize);
	if(read(fd, root, rootsects*sectsize) != rootsects*sectsize)
		return -1;
	n = -1;
	for(dp = root; dp < &root[nroot]; dp++)
		if(memcmp(name, dp->name, 8) == 0 && memcmp(ext, dp->ext, 3) == 0){
			n = GETSHORT(dp->start);
			break;
		}
	free(root);

	if(n < 0)
		return -1;

	/*
	 *  dp->start is in cluster units, not sectors.  The first
	 *  cluster is cluster 2 which starts immediately after the
	 *  root directory
	 */
	return rootoff + rootsects*sectsize + (n-2)*sectsize*b->clustsize;
}


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I made yday significant in tm2sec, though I'm not sure why I bothered.
Turned out to be harder than I expected.  8 out of 10 places that called tm2sec
didn't zero tm->yday.  I've updated sources.  I guess I could have changed
the 1900 thingy but didn't really care to.  I was about to make my birthday
day 1 and count up from there, but thought better of it after seeing hom much
I had to change for tm2sec.  Hopefully I got all the instances.

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I posted regarding this a month or so ago, and since then I've been 
playing with neomagic.c, trying to figure out what my NM2093 is screwing 
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You should grab vga.tgz from the updates page
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Then dump the registers on Linux and on Plan 9
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> I strenuously object to changing the meaning of tm->year.

I'd second the strenuous objection. The 1900 base is not just a Unix 
thing - as far as I know it's part of ANSI C. It certainly works the 
same way in every C implementation I've used, on Mac, Windows, & VMS. 
Even though struct Tm isn't quite the same as struct tm, I'd hate to 
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other day, standards have a purpose. 

I'd be fine with the change to make Mr Presotto's birthday day 1 (or 
should it be day 0?) though. I believe the standard is silent on this 
point.

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I ran into this error trying to open /dev/eia1.  Has anyone else seen
it?  I haven't investigated it further, but it shows up after the first
either the first read or write from/to the serial port after the
following sequence of events:

(1) boot
(2) open the serial port
(3) read and write from it
(4) close it
(5) reopen it

Any ideas?

	- Dan C.


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what is the error?


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> I'd second the strenuous objection. The 1900 base is not just a Unix 
> thing - as far as I know it's part of ANSI C. It certainly works the 
> same way in every C implementation I've used, on Mac, Windows, & VMS. 
> Even though struct Tm isn't quite the same as struct tm, I'd hate to 
> see them made even more subtly incompatible. As Doug Gwyn said the 
> other day, standards have a purpose. 

This reason I can't agree with.  Fixing all the problems that might
crop up is a lot of work, but if I want POSIX, I know where to get
it.  I don't really want POSIX, which is why I run Plan 9.

> I'd be fine with the change to make Mr Presotto's birthday day 1 (or 
> should it be day 0?) though. I believe the standard is silent on this 
> point.

Actually, it's not, but if Dave's birthday falls on a particularly
auspicious day, it could be all right.  :-)

	- Dan C.


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> I ran into this error trying to open /dev/eia1.  Has anyone else seen
> it?  I haven't investigated it further, but it shows up after the first
> either the first read or write from/to the serial port after the
> following sequence of events:
> 
> (1) boot
> (2) open the serial port
> (3) read and write from it
> (4) close it
> (5) reopen it
> 
> Any ideas?

Whoops.  It would help if I included the error.

Sun Jan 19 12:45:36: mpintrenable: multiple botch irq3, tbdf 5000000, lo 00000979, n 00000979
Sun Jan 19 12:45:36: intrenable: couldn't enable irq 3, tbdf 0xFFFFFFFF for COM2

That's from my clog's.  I stripped out some carriage returns, though.  Thanks!

	- Dan C.


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> Actually, it's not, but if Dave's birthday falls on a particularly
> auspicious day, it could be all right.  :-)

I think the problem would be that we'd need 64-bit ints to represent the
modern era.

-rob


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I just set up an old wavepoint II as an open network, i.e., no filtering,
SSID hiding or anything.  The new stuff in our wavelan driver works in
finding it and its ESSID.  I'll build a more reasonable interface when I
get the time.

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>This reason I can't agree with.  Fixing all the problems that might
>crop up is a lot of work, but if I want POSIX, I know where to get
>it.  I don't really want POSIX, which is why I run Plan 9.

Actually, I was intending to refer to ANSI C, rather than POSIX - I believe
they are different, although overlapping, and I was once told that it's
POSIX that specifies a starting date and interval for time_t values, whereas
ANSI C leaves both undefined.

But even if the standards argument doesn't sway you, surely you could spare
a thought for those of us (oh well, all right, just me) who are so old and
senile and stupid that even 128 bit integers would not suffice to represent
our age, and are consequently unable to come to terms with a zero-based
number system?

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we could always change to 100s of nanoseconds since january 1, 1600.


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Russ Cox wrote:
> it wouldn't be hard to add a newsgroup list
> cache or a message cache to nntpfs.  it also
> wouldn't be hard to make the acme news client
> remember which messages you read, etc.

> if anyone's interested...

How hard would it be to add a little resilience to nntpfs' reading of the news
server?

I can get a minimal listing of groups, terminated by

 bad nntp response: alt.chinchilla 0000039620 0000039440 y
 alt.childrens-camps 0000000191 0000000191 y
 syntax error in group lst, line 100790

Unfortunately alt.chinchilla appears alphabetically well before comp.os.*, or
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> Sun Jan 19 12:45:36: mpintrenable: multiple botch irq3, tbdf 5000000, lo 00000979, n 00000979

It's a benign error message resulting from the interaction of three
mostly harmless bugs:

1.  intdisable() on x86 MP architecture doesn't actually disable
interrupts.  The comment says:
	 * For now, none of this will work with the APIC code,

2.  i8250disable() marks the UART disabled after calling intdisable(),
without checking whether the disable succeeded.  So the next time the
UART device is opened the interrupt is enabled again.

3.  mpintrenablex() doesn't distinguish correctly between enabling a
device twice and enabling multiple devices (or multifunction devices)
which share an interrupt.

I think 2.  would be the easiest to fix, for example as follows:

/sys/src/9/pc/fns.h:61 c fns.h:61
< void	intrdisable(int, void (*)(Ureg *, void *), void*, int, char*);
---
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< void
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< 		return;
---
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> 	return 0;
/sys/src/9/pc/uarti8250.c:530,531 c uarti8250.c:530,531
< 		intrdisable(ctlr->irq, i8250interrupt, uart, ctlr->tbdf, uart->name);
< 		ctlr->iena = 0;
---
> 		if(intrdisable(ctlr->irq, i8250interrupt, uart, ctlr->tbdf, uart->name) == 0)
> 			ctlr->iena = 0;


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Hi,

I have recently (last week) updated my distribution via pull. I wasn't
sure if I need to rebuild my standalone cpu/auth kernel, so I went ahead
and did that. The only change in my CONF file was the addition of the
bootdir section. Everything built fine, I copied the kernel into /386 and
/n/9fat, updated my /n/9fat/plan9.ini to allow me to boot the new kernel,
and on rebooting it hangs after the following:

....Plan9 from Bell Labs
ELCR: 0C00
dev A0 port 1F0 config 0C5A capabilities 0B00 mwdma 0407 udma 0007
dev B0 port 1F0 config 045A capabilities 2B00 mwdma 0407 udma 003F
dev A0 port 1F0 config 85C0 capabilities 0F00 mwdma 0203
using sdC0!9fat!plan9.ini
..  [-rtr: choose my new kernel]
found /386/9mypccpuauth
739740+607728+105364=1452832
entry: 0x80100020
cpu0: 210MHz GenuineIntel PentiumPro (cpuid: AX 0x0619 DX 0xFBFF)
ELCR: 0C00
#l0: i82775: 100Mbps port 0xFF40 irq 10: 00A0C94988C9
22615 free pages, 90460K bytes, 730460K swap


I am probably missing out something somewhere. Any help is appreciated.


My plan9.ini looks like this:
[menu]
menuitem=cpuauth, Standalone CPU Authentication Server
menuitem=cpuauthold, Old Standalone CPU Authentication Server
menuitem=term, Terminal
menudefault=cpuauth, 10

[cpuauth]
bootfile=sdC0!fs!/386/9mypccpuauth

[cpuauthold]
bootfile=sdC0!fs!/386/9mypccpuauth.old

[term]
bootfile=sdC0!fs!/386/9pcdisk

[common]
bootdisk=local!#S/sdC0/fs
*nomp=1
distname=plan9
partition=new
ether0=type=elnk3
                            
mouseport=ps2
monitor=multisync
vgasize=1280x1024x8

And my mypccpuauth CONF file is this:

dev
	root
	cons
	arch
	pnp		pci
	env
	pipe
	proc
	mnt
	srv
	dup
	rtc
	ssl
	tls
	bridge		log
	sdp		thwack unthwack
	cap
	kprof
	realtime	realtimesub edf

	ether		netif
	ip		arp chandial ip ipv6 ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium pktmedium ptclbsum386 inferno

	draw		screen vga vgax
	mouse		mouse
	vga

	sd
	floppy		dma

	audio		dma
	pccard
	i82365		cis
	uart
	usb

link
	apm		apmjump
	ether82557	pci
	ethermedium
	netdevmedium
	loopbackmedium

misc
	archmp		mp apic
	sdata		pci sdscsi

	uarti8250
	uartpci

	vgas3		+cur vgasavage

ip
	il
	tcp
	udp
	ipifc
	icmp
	icmp6
	gre
	ipmux
	esp
	rudp

port
	int cpuserver = 1;

boot cpu boot #S/sdC0/
	il
	local

bootdir
	bootmypccpuauth.out boot
	/386/bin/ip/ipconfig
	factotum.hack factotum
	/386/bin/disk/kfs

Thanks,
Robby

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Try disabling hw pieces from the bios before booting.
Perhaps same ctlr is hanging up.

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We've got a number of time bases, all somehow unalike.  System time is kept
as a signed 64 bit number representing nanoseconds since (or, if negative,
before) the start of 1970.  It represents a 584 year time span and runs out
in 2262.

Most programs just care about seconds though.  That time base also starts
at the beginning of 1970 and runs out in 2038 just like the Unix one.  I
expect that we'll turn it into a ulong before we get there it Plan 9
is still around.

I specificly didn't use the NTP's approx 232 ns units because they ran
out as early as Unix's (and our) seconds.  They picked those units
to make the conversion twixt them and seconds easy.  It's just a 32
bit shift.  While I appreciate that, I preferred a unit that would
be a little more meaningful given the accuracy of GPS and also
one that would be easier to explain than a 1/(2^32).  I felt
justified in picking my own units partially because they are
actually units other people use (unlike the NTP one) and
because we didn't have system calls in common with Unix
where the difference would be confusing.

Finally, we come to the Tm structure that gives time broken down into more
conventional units so that we can print them.  There the oddest part
is the representation of year as year - 1900.  It is true that I
can't ever remember the 1900 offset.  However, since we are using
exactly the same preresentation as Unix, same library names that
return it (gmtime, localtime), I don't think the arbitrary change
is worth the eventual pain in converting programs.  I realize that
the ape stuff (and now gcc) will be used for most Unix programs on
Plan 9, but we still pick up little bits often enough that arbitrary
changes are a pain.  We do got the other way too, you know.  I'm
constantly tripping over stuff now that I'm converting Plan 9
code to Windows, as often because of arbitrary changes on the Windows
side.  I am sorry that I just changed the units of sleep() without
changing the name of the call, for example.  That trips me up
every time.

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Subject: [9fans] FreeBSD GEOM - a step toward User Level File systems in FreeBSD
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FreeBSD 5.0-current has a new feature called GEOM

The man page is here :

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=Fr
eeBSD+5.0-current


Although all the talk I've seen around it deals with real disks The
framework looks like it will provide a path toward virtual filesystems [ at
least that's what I can see 8) ].

The expermental module that someone has tried is a disk encryption filter.
gdbe

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=gbde&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=Fr
eeBSD+5.0-current

So I live in anticipation of the day when I can type attach9p2000
192.168.1.109 /dev/9p0

8)

m



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Well, since it operates belong the bio level, I seriously doubt
it is about to virtualize the file system interface. After all, that's
already done, so why the need to invent something new?

I don't think I'd better answer that.

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FreeBSD 5.0-current has a new feature called GEOM

The man page is here :

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=geom&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=Fr
eeBSD+5.0-current


Although all the talk I've seen around it deals with real disks The
framework looks like it will provide a path toward virtual filesystems [ at
least that's what I can see 8) ].

The expermental module that someone has tried is a disk encryption filter.
gdbe

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=gbde&sektion=4&apropos=0&manpath=Fr
eeBSD+5.0-current

So I live in anticipation of the day when I can type attach9p2000
192.168.1.109 /dev/9p0

8)

m



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> So I live in anticipation of the day when I can type attach9p2000
> 192.168.1.109 /dev/9p0

that's disgusting.  i hope they have a better interface.  ;-)


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Hi,

	I'm about to implement a thing called redirfs, intended to
let the mounter switch from one file tree to a similar one but serviced
from somewhere else. Is such beast already implemented by anyone out there?

The aim for redirfs is to let the user change his mouse, home, audio, etc.
to different ones at will.

thanks




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> It's a benign error message resulting from the interaction of three
> mostly harmless bugs:

Cool.  Thanks for the great explanation, Richard.

	- Dan C.


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So I wanted to run a factotum from the console as none, so that I could
load it up with a key to use with the TLS support in ip/httpd/httpd.
Unfortunately (maybe because it was late, I was tired, and had had a
bit of rum earlier in the evening), I couldn't figure out a way from
within rc to write to #c/user and then exec another program.  I could
write to '#c/user' easily enough, I could run other programs, but I
couldn't get the combination to work.  So, I wrote a simple C program
to do it for me.  (btw- if anyone has an rc recipe for this, let me
know).

I've attached that program here.  I installed it as auth/as, and one
uses it by running, e.g., ``auth/as user 'quoted cmd to pass rc' ''.
I'm now using it to start my httpd server out of cpurc as follows:

	auth/secstore -nG httpd.none | as none /usr/webs/bin/rc/start

Where httpd.none contains the key to use with my httpd cert, and
start looks something like the following:

#!/bin/rc
auth/factotum -s factotum.https
sleep 1	# let factotum start
read -m > /mnt/factotum/ctl
ip/httpd/httpd -n /lib/namespace.https -c /sys/lib/tls/httpd-cert.pem

(/lib/namespace.https has ``mount -b /srv/factotum.https /mnt'' in it
to make sure that the factotum started as none is in the web server's
name space!).

This works pretty well, but the real value of as is for invoking
commands as another user (provided your authenticated to do so, of
course) from shell scripts and the like.  If anyone knows of a
better approach, I'd love to hear about it.  Thanks!

	- Dan C.


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#include <u.h>
#include <libc.h>

void
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
	int	fd;

	if (argc != 3) {
		fprint(2, "Usage: as user command\n");
		exits(0);
	}
	fd = open("#c/user", OWRITE);
	if (fd < 0)
		sysfatal("can't open #c/user: %r\n");
	if (write(fd, argv[1], strlen(argv[1])) != strlen(argv[1]))
		sysfatal("couldn't set user to %s: %r\n", argv[1]);
	close(fd);
	execl("/bin/rc", "rc", "-c", argv[2], nil);
	sysfatal("couldn't run rc: %r\n");
}

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I have installed plan 9 on my machine (an ABit VP6 motherboard, some
form of VIA chipset, dual pentium3-based) successfully. However, it
refuses to boot.

After installation, when I try to boot the installed system (using
GRUB to chainload the partition), I get the following output:

---

PBS...Plan 9 from Bell Labs
ELCR: 0E20
apm ax=f000 cx=f000 dx=fdfa di=0 ebx=806c esi=3e4
dev A0 port 1F0 config 045A capabilities 0B00 mwdma 0007 udma 041F
dev B0 port 1F0 config 85C0 capabilities 0F00 mwdma 0407
dev A0 port 170 config 0040 capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 udma 203f
dev B0 port 170 config 0040 capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 udma 203f
FLAGS=10246 TRAP=e ECODE=2 PC=80036b3d
  AX 00000000  BX 00000000  CX 00033591  DX 00000000
  SI 00ef4c80  DI 81000000  BP 00200000
  CS 0010 DS 0008  ES 0008  FS 0008  GS 0008
  CR0 80000011 CR2 81000000 CR3 0000c000
panic: exception/interrupt 14

Press almost any key to reset..

---

If I create a boot floppy in the install and try to boot using that, I
get the exact same error, except in the third line, esi=-6c2dfc1c.

I just find this strange, because the install worked without a hitch.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

--
David S. Geirsson
david@bsd.is
+354 8696608


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The only user name you can write to #c is none, so
a few of us use a short C program called none:

#include <u.h>
#include <libc.h>
#include <auth.h>

void
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
	char cmd[8192];
	int fd;

	argv0 = argv[0];
	if (rfork(RFENVG|RFNAMEG) < 0)
		sysfatal("can't make new pgrp");

	fd = open("#c/user", OWRITE);
	if (fd < 0)
		sysfatal("can't open #c/user");
	if (write(fd, "none", strlen("none")) < 0)
		sysfatal("can't become none");
	close(fd);

	if (newns("none", nil) < 0)
		sysfatal("can't build namespace");

	if (argc > 1) {
		strcpy(cmd, argv[1]);
		exec(cmd, &argv[1]);
		if (strncmp(cmd, "/", 1) != 0
		&& strncmp(cmd, "./", 2) != 0
		&& strncmp(cmd, "../", 3) != 0) {
			sprint(cmd, "/bin/%s", argv[1]);
			exec(cmd, &argv[1]);
		}
	} else {
		strcpy(cmd, "/bin/rc");
		execl(cmd, cmd, nil);
	}
	sysfatal(cmd);
}


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> The only user name you can write to #c is none,

Oh for real?  You learn something new every day....

> so a few of us use a short C program called none:

Cool!  Could this go in the distribution?

	- Dan C.


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> > The only user name you can write to #c is none,
> 
> Oh for real?  You learn something new every day....

#c/user commanded more respect before
#¤ and factotum stole its glory.


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> > Oh for real?  You learn something new every day....
> 
> #c/user commanded more respect before
> #¤ and factotum stole its glory.

Sounds like Mike D and MCA A.

	- Dan C.


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sounds like a decent way to implement virtual desktops -- just
switch the files underneath rio :)

yes? no? opinions?

andrey


> The aim for redirfs is to let the user change his mouse, home, audio, etc.
> to different ones at will.
>

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  while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
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i saw this one on somebody else's computer and just wanted to have it :)

start it up in a small window and then resize to full screen for
complete satisfaction...

it doesn't take all that much to convert the X drawing calls to draw ones,
took me longer to clean it up into some sort of viewable form. i'm sure i
haven't managed to do so completely.

non-plan9 code is GNU, so have that in mind if you decide to play with it.

andrey

ps: other xscreensaver hacks here:

    http://www.acl.lanl.gov/plan9/xscreensaver/
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saw this on somebody else's machine and just wanted to have it...

the best way to see it is to start in a small window and then resize to full
screen as soon as it has grabbed the screenshot.

it didn't take that long to convert all the X calls to draw ones, but much
longer to clean it up into viewable form. i'm sure i haven't cleaned
everything :)

the non-plan9 code is gnu, so have that in mind if you decide to play with
it.

andrey

ps: other xscreensaver stuff for plan9:

    http://www.acl.lanl.gov/plan9/xscreensaver
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pine decided to recursively malloc itself and killed my previous session,
not indicating that it had already sent the message.

sorry...

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I've got a sped-up version of rotzoomer at
http://collyer.net/~geoff/9, along with faster (though still slow)
versions of maze and mandel.  I also found a few bugs in maze by
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I suspect that rotzoomer should build up new images in memory and push
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I was made aware that GEOM is being talked about over here and after
checking the archive I thought I'd just drop a note with the scoop:

GEOM is about transforming disk I/O requests, not about filesystems.

Basically it is a modular and stackable framework for doing things like

	MBR partitioning, BSD disklabel partitioning etc
	Mirror RAID-5 Striping
	Encrytion
	Integrity
	Multi-Path fail-over.

in other words, transformations which operate on the location and/or
contents of disk sectors and know nothing about what is actually
stored in the sectors and why.

I have tried to set a precedent so that on-disk metadata like MBR's
and BSD disklabels are read in an architecture independent fashion,
and the result of this is that FreeBSD 5.0 on a Sun Sparc64 machine
can understand MBR partitioned disk and the IBM PC platform can
understand a Solaris disklabel.

The most interesting module currently is probably the "GBDE"
encryption module which offers very strong encryption at the disk
level, targeted at protecting "cold disks", lost laptops, stolen
media etc etc.

GEOM and GBDE was sponsored by DARPA under the CBOSS program.

I gave a tutorial on this at EuroBSDcon2003 (the slides are on their
web-page: http://2002.eurobsdcon.org/papers/)  And I have offered
USENIX to do the same tutorial at BSDcon2003 in september.

(I'm not on this list, so make sure I'm in the Cc: if you want me
in the loop)

Poul-Henning

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Hi,

Iam trying to get a PC to diskless boot from a single KFS plan9 system.

I start the listeners on the Plan9 system (IL and TCP)

I would prefer to load my kernel accross the wire from the kfs system
but I cannot see how to do this from the info in 9load(8) or plan9.ini(8),
so I just boot a 9pcdisk from floppy.

Both systems use DHCP to get IP addresses.

I set fs= to the IP address of the kfs machine in plan9.ini.

However what do I set the auth server address to be,
and how should I authenticate?

Anyone help?

BTW our DHCP server doesn't talk to our DNS server so I have to
do everything by IP addresses (sigh)


 

-Steve

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> I was made aware that GEOM is being talked about over here and after
> checking the archive I thought I'd just drop a note with the scoop:
>
> GEOM is about transforming disk I/O requests, not about filesystems.


I guess I should have listened when they said "if you want plan9, use plan9"





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that's how it originally operated. i didn't find it too fast on my own
machine and opted for simplicity...

do you want me to add your modifications to www.acl.lanl.gov's xscreensaver
archive?

i just tried your web site and the link to rotzoomer.bun appears to be broken...



On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 geoff@collyer.net wrote:

> I've got a sped-up version of rotzoomer at
> http://collyer.net/~geoff/9, along with faster (though still slow)
> versions of maze and mandel.  I also found a few bugs in maze by
> inspection and fixed them.
>
> I suspect that rotzoomer should build up new images in memory and push
> them out in large fractions of a window, rather than pixel by pixel.
>

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> GEOM is about transforming disk I/O requests, not about filesystems.
> Basically it is a modular and stackable framework for doing things like
> 
> 	MBR partitioning, BSD disklabel partitioning etc
> 	Mirror RAID-5 Striping
> 	Encrytion
> 	Integrity
> 	Multi-Path fail-over.

fs(3) could be adapted to do that in that case. I'm just using it to
mirror partitions and for nothing else.

Regarding fail-over, I'm experimenting with redirfs, which has been
just implemented. 

BTW, I think someone asked recently in the list
for stacking in a union different trees. Instead of doing it in the
kernel, I think it'd be fairly easy to do that by changing redirfs
to do the merge.


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I wouldn't be so harsh :) the GEOM ideas appear to be quite reasonable
and it is not sompletely impossible to believe that some of them can make
it into fossil (or something that works on top of fossil) in the future,
for such things like striping and disk mirroring...

after all softupdates made it ;)

andrey

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, matt wrote:

> I guess I should have listened when they said "if you want plan9, use plan9"
>

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The Perl link still says Perl 5.004_05 even though the download
is actually 5.8. This got me the following reply when I sent a
correction to CPAN's ports page: (edited somewhat)

> From:	Jarkko Hietaniemi 
> To:	Joel Salomon 
> Cc:	
> Subject:	Re: Perl on Plan 9 (Correction to Ports list)
>
> Hmmm, where is the 5.8.0 for plan9 downloadable? The
> "additional software" link points to a perl 5.004_05.
>
> --  Jarkko Hietaniemi  http://www.iki.fi/jhi/ 

Please correct.

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fixed.


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You need to run an auth server.  Set auth= to the IP address
of the auth server.

Alternately, if you are the same user on the kfs and an the
remote machine you can just run

	echo 'key proto=p9sk1 user=steve.simon dom=steve.dom !password=secret' >/mnt/factotum/ctl

Make sure it's the first key.

And then use that same user and password on the terminal.

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you know, you could read /dev/vgactl in a daemon 
to figure out how long the terminal has been idle
and then invoke the screensaver automatically.

if you were into that sort of thing.


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I don't know how to write over the entire screen instead of just in a
window...

plus, I'm not sure whether rio will be forgiving enough if I sidestep it, or
whether you guys will accept modified rio sources (like adding extra
controls to rio itself)

i wouldn't mind converting all those hacks into screensavers, just never
really thought about it seriously enough..

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> you know, you could read /dev/vgactl in a daemon
> to figure out how long the terminal has been idle
> and then invoke the screensaver automatically.
>
> if you were into that sort of thing.
>

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you don't need to write to the screen.  allocate a new
window as big as the screen.


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Russ writes:
> if you were into that sort of thing.

Let me put in a vote for the opposite sort of thing: using DPMS to powersave
the monitor.


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> Let me put in a vote for the opposite sort of thing: using DPMS to powersave
> the monitor.

every time i have tried to do dpms by the vesa spec,
the screens never come back correctly
when i turn them back on.  the code is in
/sys/src/9/pc/vga.c:/^vgablank, but it breaks
so many setups that it's not used.

some video cards have their own ways to get at dpms
(see /sys/src/9/pc/vgasavage.c:/^savageblank, also
s3, mga6xx, nvidia) and that seems to work better.
it's still not perfect though.  mach64xx, for example,
doesn't behave right even using the mach64xx-specific
blanking.

it's just a nightmare.  the lcds tend to work better because
they have an explicit signal to do blanking rather than
infer something from the horizontal and vertical sync pulses.
both laptops and digital cards like t2r4 seem to work well.


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On a related note, here's a screen locker. I intended to wrap it in a shell
script to watch the idle time in vgactl but bounced off a bug in an early
version of that code and never returned.  I just run it by hand.

/lib/bunny.bit is a cropped version of glenda from the web site and too
large to attach here.

-rob

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#include <u.h>
#include <libc.h>
#include <libsec.h>
#include <draw.h>

char pic[] = "/lib/bunny.bit";

int vgactl;
int debug;

uchar	storedhash[SHA1dlen];
uchar	thishash[SHA1dlen];
char user[256];
char home[256];
char hashfile[256];

void
error(char *fmt, ...)
{
	Fmt f;
	char buf[64];
	va_list arg;

	fmtfdinit(&f, 1, buf, sizeof buf);
	fmtprint(&f, "lock: ");
	va_start(arg, fmt);
	fmtvprint(&f, fmt, arg);
	va_end(arg);
	fmtprint(&f, "\n");
	fmtfdflush(&f);
	postnote(PNGROUP, getpid(), "die");
	exits("fatal error");
}

void
usage(void)
{
	fprint(2, "usage: lock [-p]\n");
	exits("usage");
}


void
readfile(char *name, char *buf, int nbuf, int addnul)
{
	int fd;

	fd = open(name, OREAD);
	if(fd == -1)
		error("%s: can't open: %r", name);
	nbuf = read(fd, buf, nbuf-addnul);
	close(fd);
	if(nbuf == -1)
		error("%s: can't can't read: %r", name);
	if(addnul)
		buf[nbuf] = '\0';
}

int
readstoredhash(int mustexist)
{
	if(access(hashfile, AEXIST) < 0){
		if(!mustexist)
			return 0;
		error("no password set; use lock -p to set password");
	}
	readfile(hashfile, (char*)storedhash, sizeof storedhash, 0);
	return 1;
}

void
readline(char *buf, int nbuf)
{
	char c;
	int i;

	i = 0;
	while(i < nbuf-1){
		if(read(0, &c, 1) != 1 || c == '\04' || c == '\177'){
			buf[0] = '\0';
			return;
		}
		if(c == '\n'){
			buf[i] = '\0';
			return;
		}
		if(c == '\b' && i > 0){
			--i;
			continue;
		}
		if(c == '\025'){
			i = 0;
			continue;
		}
		buf[i++] = c;
	}
}

void
checkpassword(int must)
{
	char buf[256];
	static int opened;
	int fd, consctl;

	if(!opened){
		fd = open("/dev/cons", OREAD);
		if(fd == -1)
			error("can't open cons: %r");
		dup(fd, 0);
		close(fd);
		fd = open("/dev/cons", OWRITE);
		if(fd == -1)
			error("can't open cons: %r");
		dup(fd, 1);
		dup(1, 2);
		close(fd);
		consctl = open("/dev/consctl", OWRITE);
		if(consctl == -1)
			error("can't open consctl: %r");
		if(write(consctl, "rawon", 5) != 5)
			error("can't turn off echo\n");
		opened = 1;
	}

	for(;;){
		fprint(2, "password: ");
		readline(buf, sizeof buf);
		fprint(2, "\n");
		if(buf[0] == '\0' || buf[0] == '\04'){
			if(must)
				continue;
			error("no password typed");
		}
		sha1((uchar*)buf, strlen(buf), thishash, nil);
		memset(buf, 0, sizeof buf);
		if(memcmp(thishash, storedhash, sizeof storedhash) == 0)
			break;
		fprint(2, "password mismatch\n");
	}
}

void
changepassword(void)
{
	int fd;
	char buf[256];

	if(readstoredhash(0))
		checkpassword(0);
	for(;;){
		fprint(2, "password: ");
		readline(buf, sizeof buf);
		fprint(2, "\n");
		if(buf[0] == '\0' || buf[0] == '\04')
			exits("no password typed");
		sha1((uchar*)buf, strlen(buf), thishash, nil);
		memset(buf, 0, sizeof buf);
		fprint(2, "re-type password: ");
		readline(buf, sizeof buf);
		fprint(2, "\n");
		if(buf[0] == '\0' || buf[0] == '\04')
			exits("no password typed");
		sha1((uchar*)buf, strlen(buf), storedhash, nil);
		memset(buf, 0, sizeof buf);
		if(memcmp(storedhash, thishash, sizeof storedhash) != 0){
			fprint(2, "password mismatch\n");
			continue;
		}

		fd = create(hashfile, OWRITE, 0600);
		if(fd < 0)
			error("can't create hashfile: %r");
		if(write(fd, storedhash, sizeof storedhash) != sizeof storedhash)
			error("error writing hashfile: %r");
		break;
	}
}

void
grabmouse(void)
{
	int fd;
	char ibuf[256], obuf[256];

	if(debug)
		return;
	fd = open("/dev/mouse", ORDWR);
	if(fd < 0)
		error("can't open /dev/mouse: %r");
	switch(fork()){
	case -1:
		error("can't fork mouse process: %r");
	default:
		return;
	case 0:
		break;
	}

	snprint(obuf, sizeof obuf, "m %d %d",
		screen->r.min.x+Dx(screen->r)/2,
		screen->r.min.y+Dy(screen->r)/2);
	while(read(fd, ibuf, sizeof ibuf) > 0)
		fprint(fd, "%s", obuf);
}

void
lockscreen(void)
{
	enum { Nfld=5, Fldlen = 12 };
	char buf[Nfld*Fldlen], *flds[Nfld], newcmd[128];
	enum { Cursorlen=2*4+2*2*16 };
	char cbuf[Cursorlen];
	int fd, dx, dy;
	Image *i;
	Rectangle r;

	fd = open("/dev/screen", OREAD);
	if(fd < 0)
		error("can't open /dev/screen: %r");
	if(read(fd, buf, Nfld*Fldlen) != Nfld*Fldlen)
		error("can't read /dev/screen: %r");
	close(fd);
	buf[sizeof buf-1] = 0;
	if(tokenize(buf, flds, Nfld) != Nfld)
		error("can't tokenize /dev/screen header");
	snprint(newcmd, sizeof newcmd, "-r %s %s %d %d",
		flds[1], flds[2],
		atoi(flds[3])-1, atoi(flds[4])-1);
	newwindow(newcmd);
	initdraw(nil, nil, "lock");

	/* screen is now open and covered. grab mouse and hold on tight */
	grabmouse();
	fd = open(pic, OREAD);
	if(fd > 0){
		i = readimage(display, fd, 0);
		if(i){
			r = screen->r;
			dx = (Dx(screen->r)-Dx(i->r))/2;
			r.min.x += dx;
			r.max.x -= dx;
			dy = (Dy(screen->r)-Dy(i->r))/2;
			r.min.y += dy;
			r.max.y -= dy;
			draw(screen, r, i, nil, i->r.min);
			flushimage(display, 1);
		}
		close(fd);
	}

	/* clear the cursor */
	fd = open("/dev/cursor", OWRITE);
	if(fd > 0){
		memset(cbuf, 0, sizeof cbuf);
		write(fd, cbuf, sizeof cbuf);
		/* leave it open */
	}
	
	fprint(vgactl, "blank");
}

void
main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
	readfile("#c/user", user, sizeof user, 1);
	readfile("#e/home", home, sizeof home, 1);
	snprint(hashfile, sizeof hashfile, "%s/lib/lockhash", home);

	vgactl = open("#v/vgactl", OWRITE);
	if(vgactl == -1)
		error("can't open vgactl: %r");

	ARGBEGIN{
	case 'd':
		debug++;
		break;
	case 'p':
		changepassword();
		exits(nil);
	default:
		usage();
	}ARGEND

	if(argc != 0)
		usage();

	readstoredhash(1);
	rfork(RFNOTEG);
	lockscreen();
	checkpassword(1);
	postnote(PNGROUP, getpid(), "die");
	exits(nil);
}
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On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> it's just a nightmare.  the lcds tend to work better because
> they have an explicit signal to do blanking rather than
> infer something from the horizontal and vertical sync pulses.
> both laptops and digital cards like t2r4 seem to work well.
>

The T21 IBM laptop I have can never restore the screen correctly after a
suspend (such as closing the laptop and reopening it immediately). The
problem has been reported here a few times by different people -- the screen
gets split in three columns, each showing only the first third on the
original screen...

I have looked but wasn't really able to fix it. It existed in FreeBSD too,
but has disappeared after 4.6RC2...


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although i have't tried it on the t21, the t23 has a similar problem when used
in anything other that 8-bit mode. the bios apm code fails to set the depth bits
correctly in crt register 0x90, e.g. for 16-bit mode it should be 0x81, not 0x80
(see /sys/src/cmd/vga/virge.c). i have a dumb little programme ('adjust') for poking
registers directly when testing things and use this to reset the screen after
the lid has been opened:

	/usr/jmk/src/v/adjust crt 0x90 0x81

if i could be bothered i'd figure ou how to get that run automatically on
opening the lid. fyi, here's how to display on an external monitor on the t23:

	# turn on hsync/vsync to external monitor
	% adjust seq 0x0d 0
	0x3C4[0x0D]: 0x50->0x00

	# power up the DACs
	% adjust seq 0x18 0
	0x3C4[0x18]: 0x20->0x00

	# turn off the lcd
	% adjust seq 0x31 0
	0x3C4[0x31]: 0x10->0x00
	% 

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> do you want me to add your modifications to www.acl.lanl.gov's
> xscreensaver archive?

Sure, that would be fine.

> i just tried your web site and the link to rotzoomer.bun appears to be
> broken...

Sorry about that; I had the link working and then broke it.  It's
fixed now.  I've also incorporated your suggested changes into my
rotzoomer bundle.


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a sys/doc/fossil.pdf 664 sys sys 1042006244
sys/doc/fossil.pdf: not replicated; will not update

fs permission checking was off; There are a few files like this
that are not replicated. These didn't already exist, so I don't know
where the conflict would be generated.


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Sure doesn't take long. Somewhat amusing. From httpd log:

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LogTime:  Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:33:40 GMT
ConnTime: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:33:40 GMT
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~~~~~~~~~~~
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Perhaps you interrupted the pull that initially
created those files, and so the database doesn't
reflect that replica/pull put them there?


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> Perhaps you interrupted the pull that initially
> created those files, and so the database doesn't
> reflect that replica/pull put them there?

There was "mount rpc error", on a previous attempt.
Thanks.


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Hi,

I'm new to pq IRDBS thus I've got these stupid questions:

i)   can I match all records with field value less than (greater
than) a specified value? '<' and '<' don't work for obvious
reasons...

ii)  is this a correct implementation of a relation from multiple
fields in A to a single field in B: 

A:                       B:
...                      COLOUR
COLOURFROM               COLOURFROM
COLOURTO                 COLOURTO
COLOURMID                COLOURMID
...

and give COLOURFROM, COLOURTO, and COLOURMID the same code in B?

iii) what does the '+' sign in dispatch file exactly mean? I
found that when omitted the relation doesn't establish...so I use
it without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,
regards,
++pac.




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Having bumbled my way through setting up a cpu/auth machine, I'm now atta=
ching
to it (slowly) via drawterm and thought I'd try to start compiling some s=
ource.

cpu% ape/psh
sh 3927: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=3D0x3e2ce43e pc=3D0x3e2ce43e

Is this my problem or an ape problem?
	Adrian

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Hi,

> I was made aware that GEOM is being talked about over here and after
> checking the archive I thought I'd just drop a note with the scoop:

thanks for the input. I'm the fellow responsible for bringing GEOM to the
attention of the plan9 people.

Unfortunately it wasn't quite what I imagined. I had the man pages and
imagined that the GEOM modular design was suitable to implement virtual file
systems. I'm a userland programmer so many of the subtleties pass me by [and
some of the obvious].

User level file servers is one of those ideas that has grabbed me and I look
for the possibilities in all my projects now.

Here I am with the beautiful plan9 in my office but stalwart FreeBSD in the
co-lo.

I did start to move my databases into the file system in the hope that I
could eventually make the transition but I soon ran out of inodes.

Ah well,

I live in hope


m


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Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> 
> Sure doesn't take long. Somewhat amusing. From httpd log:
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	It shouldn't be too hard to develop a script or program
	called cmd.exe to do something fun. I'm surprised Boyd
	hasn't suggested this yet (but maybe I'm jumping the gun,
	so to speak).

-am	© 2003

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My ctype(2) man page has formatting errors in the function list.

Can anyone else verify this or do I have a (system) personal
problem?

Cheers,

Sam



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Anthony Mandic wrote:

>It shouldn't be too hard to develop a script or program
>called cmd.exe to do something fun. I'm surprised Boyd
>hasn't suggested this yet ...
>
On reflection, something like Ches' 'jail' would be a cool trick,
but maybe a lot of work.



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My ctype(2) man page has formatting errors in the function list.

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man -t 2 ctype | page -w
should look all right

if you're using plain man, nroff relies on reverse line feed
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My ctype(2) man page has formatting errors in the function list.

Can anyone else verify this or do I have a (system) personal
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Boyd Roberts wrote:
> Anthony Mandic wrote:
> 
>> It shouldn't be too hard to develop a script or program
>> called cmd.exe to do something fun. I'm surprised Boyd
>> hasn't suggested this yet ...
>>
> On reflection, something like Ches' 'jail' would be a cool trick,
> but maybe a lot of work.

If you do some checking with Google, you'll find that some people have 
done a number of things on various operating systems when they see these 
kinds of requests come through.

The more interesting (I think) are the ones recognized as the IIS 
codered worm, because if they're knocking on your door it means they're 
already infected, which gives you some more information about the host 
system.

There's a pretty popular script floating around to pop up a notification 
window on the infected host with a warning to the owner that they've 
been infected, along with a handy URL to find out more info.  Others 
noted that it might be a headless box in a closet somewhere, so have 
attempted to modify the script to broadcast a message to the local 
domain/workgroup to let anyone/everyone know that the host is infected.

Some people have attempted to write scripts which go back and kill the 
worm on the infected host.

Here's a random example (Googled):

http://salfter.dyndns.org/codered.shtml

Please note that exploiting an infected host to notify the owner of its 
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willing to buy U.S. goods rather than produce them.

-Jack


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That's nroff thinking it's writing to a model 37 TTY.

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My ctype(2) man page has formatting errors in the function list.

Can anyone else verify this or do I have a (system) personal
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Cheers,

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Hey, when running sam or acme under Drawterm on MacOS X (using the X
server from apple), the colors are all messed up (and it's almost
impossible to use).  In particular, the background sort of looks like a
slimey yellow color, and the foreground gets kind of reddish.  It's
reminiscent of running drawterm (or any other program that uses a big
colormap) on an 8-bit X display.  Has anyone else seen this?  And does
anyone know how to fix it, or if it is fixable?  (Geoff?)  Thanks!

	- Dan C.


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It sounds like the RGB triples are being used as BGR.
You could put prints in screen-x11.c:/^initmap to
see what's going on, and then reverse the sense of 
the test to get the opposite behavior.

You might try running colors.  The upper right corner
should be red.  


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This sounds similar to what I got when I run Solaris 
drawterm with 24bit color -- although I forgot about the
exact color shift; my message about it should be in the
archives. I played a bit trying to fix it but never got
the right colors -- now I'm just using drawterm with 8bit
color (I changed the order in which the different color depths
are tried in drawterm, I think).

I'll have a look again using Russ' reply as inspiration.

Axel.


> Hey, when running sam or acme under Drawterm on MacOS X
> (using the X server from apple), the colors are all messed up
> (and it's almost impossible to use).  In particular, the
> background sort of looks like a slimey yellow color, and
> the foreground gets kind of reddish.  It's reminiscent of
> running drawterm (or any other program that uses a big
> colormap) on an 8-bit X display.  Has anyone else seen this?
> And does anyone know how to fix it, or if it is fixable? 
> (Geoff?)  Thanks!

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Subject: [9fans] Small patch to tftpd; command line announce strings.
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My new setup (which is still not on the Internet just yet, and probably
won't be for a few weeks at this point) is a little...weird.  I have
two interfaces bound to a single IP stack, one exposed to the net, one
not.  For a variety of reasons, this is more convenient than using
multiple stacks (in particular, I want to run services on both
interfaces, and listen doesn't seem to have a ``-x'' option, I don't
want to start everything twice, and I want to try and play some routing
tricks later where the internal interface will also answer requests
[from internal clients] for the external interface).  I'm running a
DHCP and tftpd server for internal clients, but I don't want any fool
with a tftp client to start downloading kernels from me.  DHCP I don't
care about since ip/dhcpd only answers for clients it knows about by
default, and the immediate subnet is pretty trustworthy.  The upshot
of all this is that I modified tftpd to add a ``-A'' option which takes
an announce string, so one can specify an interface to announce on.
E.g., ``ip/tftpd -A 'udp!192.168.1.4!69' '' sort of thing.  A diff in
diff -e format is below.  Are there any objections for adding this to
the distribution?

	- Dan C.

term% diff -e /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/ip/tftpd.c tftpd.c
102c
	sprint(buf, "%s/%s", net, a);
.
60a
	case 'A':
		a = ARGF();
		break;
.
58a
	a = "udp!*!69";
.
57c
	char *p, *a;
.
term% 

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I don't recall seeing that problem, but I was using the XFree86 port
to OS X.  I just downloaded the Apple beta of their port and haven't
done much with it yet; I'll try it out and see how well it works.

How many colours is your display set up for (in the Apple display
preferences)?  Are you seeing this odd behaviour on the attached
monitor itself, or are you using vnc to reach the mac?


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Listen doesn't need a -x; its last argument is the network directory
to use:

	aux/listen -t /bin/service.auth -d /bin/service.alt /net.alt/tcp

Initialising additional interfaces isn't conveniently packaged up, so
I wrote `ifup', which does the job.  I use it like this in cpurc:

# network services
aux/listen -q -t /bin/service.auth -d /bin/service tcp
ip/tftpd
ip/dhcpd
# alternate interfaces & their services
switch ($sysname) {
case cpu
	ifup alt 1 $sysname	external service.alt
	ifup gig 2 $sysname-gig	local	 service
	timesync /net.alt/udp!^((ntp1 ntp2)^.mainecoon.com openbsd)
case cpub
	ifup alt 1 $sysname external service.alt
case cpuc
	ifup gig 1 $sysname-gig local service
}

The first interface (/net) is handled specially; it often is already
configured when cpurc starts.

This is ifup:
---
#!/bin/rc
# ifup mtsfx etherno sysnm ndbfile svcdir - configure /net.$mtsfx
# TODO: share a protocol stack between ether0 and gig ether
#	and just add a route to the other gig host
if (! ~ $#* 5) {
	echo usage: $0 mtsfx etherno sysnm ndbfile svcdir
	exit usage
}
rfork e
mtsfx=$1	etherno=$2	sysnm=$3	ndbfile=$4	svcdir=$5
mtpt=/net.^$mtsfx
ndbf=/lib/ndb/^$ndbfile

# merge protocol stack and ethernet interface at mount point
bind -b '#l'^$etherno $mtpt
bind -b '#I'^$etherno $mtpt

# figure out ip, ipgw & ipmask
ipgw=dummy			# in case ndb doesn't list one
for (attr in ip ipgw ipmask)
	eval `{ndb/ipquery -f $ndbf sys $sysnm $attr | tr ' ' '\12' | sed 1q}

# configure interface and set up out-calling machinery
# first arg can be "ether" or "gbe" iff it can handle jumbo packets
ip/ipconfig -x .$mtsfx -g $ipgw ether $mtpt/ether$etherno $ip $ipmask
ndb/cs -x $mtpt -f $ndbf
if (! ~ $mtsfx gig)
 	ndb/dns -sx $mtpt -f $ndbf

# start up listeners
aux/listen -t /bin/service.auth -d /bin/^$svcdir $mtpt^/tcp
if (! ~ $mtsfx gig) {
	ip/dhcpd -x $mtpt -f $ndbf	# for the printer
	ip/rip -x $mtpt
}
if (~ $mtsfx alt)
	auth/secstored -x $mtpt
---


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Does this mean that Plan 9 finally supports /dev/tty ?
(:-)

In article <7f35ee877eca40ab435eeeb4326d0703@mightycheese.com>,
rob pike, esq. <9fans@cse.psu.edu> wrote:
>-=-=-=-=-=-
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>That's nroff thinking it's writing to a model 37 TTY.
>
>-rob
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>-=-=-=-=-=-
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>Mine too.
>
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>My ctype(2) man page has formatting errors in the function list.
>
>Can anyone else verify this or do I have a (system) personal
>problem?
>
>Cheers,
>
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C H Forsyth wrote:
> man -t 2 ctype | page -w
> should look all right
> if you're using plain man, nroff relies on reverse line feed
> to implement .2C/.1C (something like that)

My $0.02 worth:  Either the terminal emulation should support this
or else the "man" command should in default mode post-filter the
nroff output.  The user shouldn't be expected to type more than
"man whatever" for a reasonably formatted help page.

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term% snoopy -f 't=0x88a2'
after optimize: t = 0x88a2
snoopy: internal error: compilewalk: badly formed tree

Cheers,

Sam



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i would argue that this is a syntax error misdiagnosed.
t=0x88a2 means nothing unless you say what kind of
packet the field is in.

snoopy -f 'ether(t=0x88a2)'

does what you want.


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Ah, ok.  I got turned around by the following example
in the man page.  That makes more sense.

% snoopy -f 'arp || bootp'
after optimize: ether( arp || ip( udp( bootp ) ) )

Thanks,

Sam

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Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> i would argue that this is a syntax error misdiagnosed.
> t=0x88a2 means nothing unless you say what kind of
> packet the field is in.
>
> snoopy -f 'ether(t=0x88a2)'
>
> does what you want.
>


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I played with this a bit. There was a command 'col'
in earlier Unix distributions and probably even in
earlier Plan 9 that did interpret these the
reverse line-feeds.  The 10th edition version
of col.c compiles and works in Plan 9 (with ape),
but the result isn't perfect: the last line of
the 2-col list of functions overlays the
DESCRIPTION header.

Probably there is some bug in troff -n,
the tmac.an macros, or col, given that
the rendering is fine in the troff version.
It also turns out that adding a .PP to the
ctype man page source, just after the
.C1 and just before .SH DESCRIPTION, fixes the
col rendition.

I'll be happy to supply col.c publicly or
privately if there is interest.

	Dennis

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On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 03:32  AM, Russ Cox wrote:

> The pc initcode is also changed.  Whereas before it used to do
>
> 	exec("/boot", ["boot", 0]);
>
> in hand-coded assembly (pc/initcode.s), it now does
>
> 	open("#c/cons", OREAD);
> 	open("#c/cons", OWRITE);
> 	open("#c/cons", OWRITE);
> 	bind("#c", "/dev", MAFTER);
> 	bind("#ec", "/env", MAFTER);
> 	bind("#e", "/env", MCREATE|MAFTER);
> 	bind("#s", "/srv", MREPL|MCREATE);
> 	execl("/boot/boot", "/boot/boot", 0);
>
> in C (port/initcode.c).  The point is to set up enough of a namespace
> that /boot/boot can be a shell script.  Eventually the other
> architectures should change too, though it's not urgent.  If someone
> wants to do the bitsy, send me mail and I'll let you know what it took
> to get one of the old undistributed mips kernels changed over.  (The
> compiler setup is similar.)


Could you describe what you did for the mips kernels? I would
like to know, both for the bitsy kernel and for some mips
related work I've been planning to do.

John


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As long as we're discussing names, I though I'd ask about
something I just realized this week. I was thinking about naming
applications and thought that a POP server under Plan9 could be
named pop9, but then I realized popIX, with it's similarity in
both spelling and pronounciation to POSIX, would be mildly
amusing.

And then it hit me; Plan9 = PlanIX (yes, I'm slow). I remembered
reading about how the name UNIX was a play with words with it's
predecessor Multics, so naturally the question pops into my mind:
is this the case with Plan9 as well? Was the number 9 at the end
of the name a factor in deciding the name, just as Presotto wrote
that having the letters f and s in it was a factor when choosing
fossil?

/Tomas


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As far as I can see, factotum will only negotiate for p9sk1.
So, when using srv(4), the only acceptable authentication
protocol is p9sk1.

Is there a reason for this?


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Hi,

	when you create an ioproc and later interrupt it with iointerrupt,
(since there's no handler set) the xioproc process dies. This means that
the process performing the iocall hangs forever waiting in the receive from
the ioproc channel.

I think that xioproc() could add this near its begin:

	threadnotify(ionoted, 1);

with

	static int
	ionoted(void*, char* n)
	{
		return (strcmp(n, "interrupt") == 0);
	}


The result is that iointerrupt interrupts the current io operation which then
returns -1 with the `interrupted' status.

If there's anything else I'm missing and the current code should work
correctly I'd be happy to know it (I already changed our libthread).

hth


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Would you like factotum to take a list of acceptable protos to negotiate
for?

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I need to add (the apparently POSIX) regfree() library function to
/386/lib/gnu/libregexp.a and tried to compile the GNU sources
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I'm stuck trying to establish which ../mksyslib and ../mkconfig
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There's a mksyslib in /sys/src/cmd and I have found a mkconfig in
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Help, anyone?

++L

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What else did you have in mind?

p9sk1 is the only protocol we have that
authenticates both sides of the connection.


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http://www.google.com/search?q=%22plan+9+from+outer+space%22


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There's now both port/initcode.c, which does almost
what I posted (I've since noticed that the exec cmd line
args get passed into the main function, now called startboot):

#include <u.h>
#include <libc.h>

char cons[] = "#c/cons";
char boot[] = "/boot/boot";
char dev[] = "/dev";
char c[] = "#c";
char e[] = "#e";
char ec[] = "#ec";
char s[] = "#s";
char srv[] = "/srv";
char env[] = "/env";

void
startboot(char *argv0, char **argv)
{
	open(cons, OREAD);
	open(cons, OWRITE);
	open(cons, OWRITE);
	bind(c, dev, MAFTER);
	bind(ec, env, MAFTER);
	bind(e, env, MCREATE|MAFTER);
	bind(s, srv, MREPL|MCREATE);
	exec(boot, argv);
	for(;;);
}

On the MIPS there is still an assembly stub
that initializes R30 (SB).

TEXT	_main(SB), $8
	MOVW	$setR30(SB), R30
	MOVW	$boot(SB), R1
	ADD	$12, R29, R2	/* get a pointer to 0(FP) */
	MOVW	R1, 4(R29)
	MOVW	R2, 8(R29)
	JAL	startboot(SB)

The 386 uses just the C code -- no assembly required.

You should be able to do almost exactly the same
thing for the bitsy -- SB is R12.

Russ

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Hi,

I have come widely used code I'am trying to port (imake) which relies on
wait(2) [IE ape's wait] returning -1 if the current process has no children.

I can fix this easily in the application but I think the bug is in ape.

I cannot find a definitive answer on the net; so anyone got a copy of the POSIX
documents to hand?

-Steve


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Hi,

	I'm happy enough with the behaviour of this thing and would
love to know what you think of it and any suggestion you may have.  I'll
put the code in sources soon (once that it has been exercised for
some more time).

It's a couple of programs, badsrv and redirfs.  The first one runs a
kind of discovery protocol using constraints/properties to determine
which resources are of interest for you and which ones are not.  The
second one is a file server that permits the user to switch at run
time between different file trees.  It can be instructed by means of the
first program to learn for alternate file trees for a resource.

I have been using this to redirect audio output from one machine to
another without even stopping the player, and also to switch to an
alternate home directory if the current one is no longer available
(without restarting acme).

I'm sorry about the size of the mail, but here are the manual pages
for the programs.

Anyone would want to use such thing?
Other comments? 

thanks a lot

     NAME
          redirfs - File server to redirect fids from one tree to
          another

     SYNOPSIS
          redirfs [ -abcdiCD ] [ -s srv ] [ -m mnt ] dir

     DESCRIPTION
          Redirfs is a  server that mounts itself between an existing
          directory and the user.  It learns of alternate trees for
          that directory and permits the user to change the one used.
          It can be used to dinamically redirect audio, failover from
          one file server to another, choose a cdrom depending on the
          ones available, and similar tasks.

          Redirfs works in combination with badsrv(8) because that
          program can learn by itself which resources are available
          and instruct redirfs about alternate trees.  The user relies
          on the commands file serviced by redirfs to select the pre-
          ferred tree. It is suggested to use different redirfs
          instances for different resources because the current imple-
          mentation is not multithreaded and admits only a request at
          a time.

     EXAMPLE
          This exports the local audio device and discovers new audio
          devices of interest (as dictated by the configuration file
          of badsrv):

               redirfs  -s audio '#A'
               badsrv &

          Once started, this permits the selection of a different
          audio device serviced by atlantis:

               con -C /srv/audio.cmd
               % Set audio!atlantis
               %

     SEE ALSO
          badsrv(8)

     SOURCE
          /sys/src/cmd/redirfs.c

     BUGS
          This is still experimental. This page does not show the
          options available nor the commands available in the console.

     NAME
          badsrv - Broadcast based advertising service for resources

     SYNOPSIS
          badsrv [ -v ] [ -c cfg ] [ -s srv ]

     DESCRIPTION
          Badsrv is a  server that runs a broadcast based resource
          discovery protocol to inform redirfs(4) as resources come
          and go in the network.

          The protocol is very naive, but enough for a network of mod-
          erated size: It send a broadcast to announce local resources
          every few seconds. All servers receiving a broadcast reply
          to the sender to announce their own ones. If a resource
          announce is not seen in three rounds, it is garbage col-
          lected and declared as gone.

          For each resource that is either new or collected, an appro-
          priate message is sent to the control file of the redirfs in
          charge for the resource. The convention is that the same
          resource uses the same name both in redirfs and in badsrv.

          Option -v shows debug information.

          Option -c instructs badsrv to use cfg as its configuration
          file. By default the configuration is at file
          badconf.sysname.

          Option -s posts a file at srv(3) where more configuration
          commands can be sent at run time.

          The configuration file includes commands, one per line, that
          determine a resource to be announced or a resource wanted.
          Announces for unwanted resources are ignored. Each command
          has arguments using tab as a delimiter. For example,

               ad   atlantis  cdrom     L126 #S/sdC1

          announces a resource cdrom serviced by atlantis whose loca-
          tion is room 126. The file at atlantis for the cdrom is
          #S/sdC1.

               want -    audio     L126

          tells the server to pay attention to any announce for the
          resource audio if its location is at room 126.

          The constraint (eg. L126) can be more complex like in
          Tcd!Dgsyc!L126. It is made of members separated by "!",
          where the first character refers to a property (type,
          domain, location, etc.) and the following ones identify the
          value for the property. The user can define any desired
          property/value pairs. If the properties wanted do not match
          the ones offered, the announce is ignored.

     SEE ALSO
          redirfs(4)

     SOURCE
          /sys/src/cmd/badsrv

     BUGS
          This is still experimental. User interface is missing.


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At the Linux World expo here in New York, I found a company called Beeweeb that provides an "Internet file server".  Apparently there is a program that runs on the server and presents a view of the file system via a proprietary protocol. A separate client (available on windows, linux  solaris) presents this as a mounted file system (on windows, a mapped network drive).

How much of factotum, etc. needs to be ported to a platform before a similar client could be written for 9p?

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On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 at 11:47am, Russ Cox wrote:

> http://www.google.com/search?q=%22plan+9+from+outer+space%22

Yes, I do know of the movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space". Besides
being a B-film classic, it's also mentioned on some Plan9-related
webpages, and I specifically remember one saying that the name
Plan9 was chosen in part as a tribute to the movie, and in part
to make life for the marketing department a bit harder. I was
just wondering if the 9 at the end of the name also was a part of
the decision, for the reasons I outlined in my previous mail.

Oh well, it's no big deal, just another example of my brain
working overtime on unimportant things.

/Tomas


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"what's really gonna bake your noodle later on, is that 'ed', the editor,
was named after Ed Wood" ;)

on an unrelated note: the grace period between the first post to 9fans with a
new (and clean) email address and the arrival of the first spam message is
about 3 days...

hail usenet :)

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003, Tomas wrote:

> Oh well, it's no big deal, just another example of my brain
> working overtime on unimportant things.
>

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It's actually the other way around.  What authentication protocol to they
use?  We'ld have to support it in our plan 9 factotum.
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At the Linux World expo here in New York, I found a company called Beeweeb that provides an "Internet file server".  Apparently there is a program that runs on the server and presents a view of the file system via a proprietary protocol. A separate client (available on windows, linux  solaris) presents this as a mounted file system (on windows, a mapped network drive).

How much of factotum, etc. needs to be ported to a platform before a similar client could be written for 9p?

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>                redirfs  -s audio '#A'
>                badsrv &
> 
>           Once started, this permits the selection of a different
>           audio device serviced by atlantis:
> 
>                con -C /srv/audio.cmd
>                % Set audio!atlantis
>                %

So, it should work for mice too, like this:

redirfs -s mouse '#m'

and then

con -C /srv/mouse.cmd
% Set mouse!nemosterm	# mouse input comes from nemo's
% Set mouse!skipsterm	# later from skip's

right?

How easy would it be to add a fan-out feature, perhaps only honoring
the write requests?

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> It's actually the other way around.  What authentication protocol to they
> use?  We'ld have to support it in our plan 9 factotum.

I think he is asking what a competing product, based on Plan9, would
need on the "client" side to authenticate itself to the
server -- assuming that the "Internet fileserver" is also the
authenticator. 

A port of factotum, or use the old protocol perhaps?

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> Anyone would want to use such thing?

I would like to play with it! :-)
(and see if I can even further confuse my colleagues :-)

It would be fun to see it redirect audio output from our
``coffee room plan 9 music server'' to the bitsy, and maybe
even to the sun on my desk where I use plan 9 via drawterm(*).

Hmm... could the same/something similar also be
used for a (e.g.) sound broadcasting service?
(like: send sound bytes not to one (either this or that)
 device, but to both, or all of them, or...)

(*) Via some crockery I send sound bytes from the cpu
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Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> redirfs -s mouse '#m'
> con -C /srv/mouse.cmd
> % Set mouse!nemosterm	# mouse input comes from nemo's
> % Set mouse!skipsterm	# later from skip's

Are you the April Fool's Day advance team?

I'm waiting for this to devolve into a script to ensure that 
This_Is_The_Song_That_Never_Ends.mp3 is always playing on someone's 
terminal.  Or migrating popup ads in the next Web browser iteration.

Actually, this is very, very cool stuff.  I can't wait to try it out 
this weekend.

-Jack




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I need to add (the apparently POSIX) regfree() library function to
/386/lib/gnu/libregexp.a and tried to compile the GNU sources
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I'm stuck trying to establish which ../mksyslib and ../mkconfig
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Right.
In fact, the first device I tried with before getting
into the current design was the mouse. I used it to use a mouse
to control a remote rio and it worked mostly; there´s the issue
of the hardware cursor. This thing only works for stuff that is
exported as files and has no covert channels.
One of the to-do things, although far down in the
list, is to implement an alternate file tree for a window system, in
a way that would permit redirection.

Skip Tavakkolian wrote:

>>               redirfs  -s audio '#A'
>>               badsrv &
>>
>>          Once started, this permits the selection of a different
>>          audio device serviced by atlantis:
>>
>>               con -C /srv/audio.cmd
>>               % Set audio!atlantis
>>               %
>>
> 
> So, it should work for mice too, like this:
> 
> redirfs -s mouse '#m'
> 
> and then
> 
> con -C /srv/mouse.cmd
> % Set mouse!nemosterm	# mouse input comes from nemo's
> % Set mouse!skipsterm	# later from skip's
> 
> right?
> 
> How easy would it be to add a fan-out feature, perhaps only honoring
> the write requests?
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~
> Skip Tavakkolian  -- Chief cook and bottle washer
> 9Netics - Distributed Applications Platform
> http://www.9netics.com
> 
> 



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I'd prefer to use it for at least one more week or so before publishing
it. But if you want to try it out I'll just push it into sources next
monday in its current 'alpha' state.

> Actually, this is very, very cool stuff.  I can't wait to try it out 
> this weekend.
> 
> -Jack



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> (and see if I can even further confuse my colleagues :-)


I implemented it because I think Plan 9 is just too simple and
wanted to get it complex.(*)


> Hmm... could the same/something similar also be
> used for a (e.g.) sound broadcasting service?
> (like: send sound bytes not to one (either this or that)
>  device, but to both, or all of them, or...)


It's more a point to point thing, since the common protocol is
9p. ads and redirections just let you plug the things together.


> (*) Via some crockery I send sound bytes from the cpu
> server via drawterm to the audio device of the sun.)
> 


The plan is actually to write some drivers in Linux and change u9fs
to let Linux export resources for us an also make it think that some
of our little trees are /dev things. But don't hold your breath :-)


---
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Hi,

I've came across plan9's page at bell-labs and I must say it's really
interesting. I readed some of the documentation but it didn't really
help me out.

here's my problem:
--- snip ---
* aux/vga: vgactlw: <type vga>: bad VGA control message "type vga"
* rio: can't open display: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: no frame buffer
--- snip ---
this is the last thing I see before I get a % prompt in text mode.

In the documentation I can see:
"If the kernel doesn't switch into VGA mode but continues to run in CGA
 mode, along with a complaint along the lines of "no frame buffer" and a
 shell prompt (%), the system doesn't recognize your video card at all.
 This could also happen with the Matrox G400, because right now it is
 not included on the installation disk. Correction will be soon
 available."

I have an ATI Mach64 SGRAM BIOS 3.043 on an AST Bravo lc 5200m.
Something is confusing me : in the supported_pc_hardware section I can
see: "Chipsets tested with the current release:
      * ATI Mach64xx..."

Any help/hint/feedback will be apreciated.

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There is now a file called vgainfo.txt on your boot floppy.
Please send it.


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Le sam 25/01/2003 =E0 15:21, Russ Cox a =E9crit :
> There is now a file called vgainfo.txt on your boot floppy.
> Please send it.

I posted a previous message with attached document, I think it has been
blocked.

vgainfo.txt:
---snip---
aux/vga: controller not in /lib/vgadb
0xC0000 55 AA 40 EB 7B F4 4C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00=20
U.@.{.L.........
0xC0010 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 44 01 00 00 00 00 49 42=20
........D.....IB
0xC0020 4D 00 D4 7A 00 64 4C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00=20
M..z.dL.........
0xC0030 20 37 36 31 32 39 35 35 32 30 FF FF D0 59 25 D9 =20
761295520...Y%.
0xC0040 33 3F 00 3C 00 00 00 00 F4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00=20
3?.<............
0xC0050 31 39 39 37 2F 30 31 2F 32 32 20 31 35 3A 35 38  1997/01/22
15:58
0xC0060 00 00 00 00 E9 45 51 00 E9 3A 51 00 E9 8E 12 00=20
.....EQ..:Q.....
0xC0070 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF FF D0 59 25 D9=20
.............Y%.
0xC0080 E9 D9 00 0D 0A 41 54 49 20 4D 41 43 48 36 34 20  .....ATI MACH64
0xC0090 53 47 52 41 4D 20 42 49 4F 53 20 33 2E 30 34 33  SGRAM BIOS
3.043
0xC00A0 0D 0A 00 28 43 29 20 31 39 38 38 2D 39 37 2C 20  ...(C) 1988-97,
0xC00B0 41 54 49 20 54 65 63 68 6E 6F 6C 6F 67 69 65 73  ATI
Technologies
0xC00C0 20 49 6E 63 2E 42 4B 33 2E 38 2E 31 2F 33 2E 30 =20
Inc.BK3.8.1/3.0
0xC00D0 34 33 20 67 74 67 70 31 6A 2E 62 20 36 20 00 4D  43 gtgp1j.b 6
.M
0xC00E0 41 43 48 36 34 56 55 50 43 49 4D 54 53 47 55 3F=20
ACH64VUPCIMTSGU?
0xC00F0 00 00 46 00 00 A0 03 2B EC 02 00 00 00 19 0F 80=20
..F....+........
main->snarf
vga->snarf
vga->dump
vga misc             67
vga feature          00
vga sequencer        03 00 03 00 02
vga crt              5F 4F 50 82 55 81 BF 1F - 00 4F 0D 0E 00 00 05 F0
                     9C 8E 8F 28 1F 96 B9 A3 - FF
vga graphics         00 00 00 00 00 10 0E 00 - FF
vga attribute        00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 - 38 39 3A 3B 3C 3D 3E 3F
                     0C 00 0F 08 00
vga virtual         0 0
vga panning         off
vga apz                     0
vga linear                  0

vmf 25175000 vmdf 0 vf1 0 vbw 0
vga->init
dbdumpmode
type=3Dvga, size=3D640x480x1
frequency=3D25175000
x=3D640 (0x280), y=3D480 (0x1E0), z=3D1 (0x1)
ht=3D800 (0x320), shb=3D664 (0x298), ehb=3D760 (0x2F8)
shs=3D664 (0x298), ehs=3D760 (0x2F8)
vt=3D525 (0x20D), vrs=3D491 (0x1EB), vre=3D493 (0x1ED)
hsync=3D0, vsync=3D0, interlace=3D0
vga->dump
vga flag             Fdump|Finit|Fsnarf
vga misc             E3
vga feature          00
vga sequencer        03 01 0F 00 06
vga crt              5F 4F 52 9F 53 1F20B 3E - 00 40 00 00 00 00 00 00
                    1EB 2D1DF 28 001EB1EC C3 -7FF
vga graphics         00 00 00 00 00 00 05 0F - FF
vga attribute        00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 - 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F
                     01 FF 0F 00 00
vga virtual         640 480
vga panning         off
vga apz                     0
vga linear                  0

main->exits
--- snip---


--=20
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Find the section of vgadb that looks like:

ctlr
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4354		# CT
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4742		# GB
	vid=0x1002 did=0x474D		# GM
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4750		# GP
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4752		# GR
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4756		# GV
	vid=0x1002 did=0x475A		# GZ
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4C42		# LB
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4C49		# LI
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4C4D		# LM
	vid=0x1002 did=0x4C50		# LP
	vid=0x1002 did=0x5654		# VT
	vid=0x1002 did=0x5656		# VV

and try adding

	vid=0x1002 did=0x5655		# VU

to the list.  The Mach64 series is very finicky,
so it's not a sure thing that this will work, but
there's a chance.  If you still get a % prompt, 
send pci.txt too.

Russ


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I almost attached vgadb in the lastest post since there's a refference
to it in vgainfo.txt ;) 

There we go:

vgadb:
--- snip ---
ctlr
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4354           # CT
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4742           # GB
        vid=0x1002 did=0x474D           # GM
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4750           # GP
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4752           # GR
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4756           # GV
        vid=0x1002 did=0x475A           # GZ
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4C42           # LB
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4C49           # LI
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4C4D           # LM
        vid=0x1002 did=0x4C50           # LP
        vid=0x1002 did=0x5654           # VT
        vid=0x1002 did=0x5656           # VV
--- snip ---

[+]

pci.txt:
--- snip ---
0.0.0:  06.00.00 8086/7100   0
0.1.0:  06.01.00 8086/7110   0
0.1.1:  01.01.80 8086/7111   0 4:0000ff41 16
0.1.2:  0c.03.00 8086/7112   0 4:00000001 32
0.1.3:  06.80.00 8086/7113   0
0.2.0:  03.00.00 1002/5655   0 0:fd000000 16777216 1:0000e801 256
2:ff000000 4096
0.9.0:  02.00.00 10ec/8139  11 0:0000ec01 256 1:ff204c00 256
--- snip ---

-- 
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Try editing vgadb to add the line

	vid=0x1002 did=0x5655		# VU

to the block you posted.  Then boot the floppy
disk again.  Perhaps vga will work.

Russ


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Yes, sorry for posting useless vgadb part, I misunderstood.
I tried to add vid=0x1002 did=0x5655 betwen the vid=* did=0x5654 and
0x5656. I still have the same error.

Your help is really much apreciated.
Thanks alot.



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I'm not sure what's wrong with the 9load that you are
trying to boot with.  Since the 9load from the install
floppy worked, one option is to copy the file "9load"
from the install floppy to the boot floppy and then
try the boot floppy again.

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> I'm not sure what's wrong with the 9load that you are
> trying to boot with.  Since the 9load from the install
> floppy worked, one option is to copy the file "9load"
> from the install floppy to the boot floppy and then
> try the boot floppy again.
> 
> Russ

I just tried that. While the 9load from the boot floppy differed from the
9load on the install floppy, using the one from the install floppy didn't
seem to have any effect. I also tried using the install floppy's 9load
on the actual HD partition, still no go.

Also, I read somewhere in the wiki that you can get debug info from
9load with 
CTRL-R? I tried that, and then the machine just rebooted at once,
instead of
waiting for me to press a button.



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this article (linked from slashdot, sorry) on freshmeat discusses problems
with large files in unix, but i think at least one of them may be remotely
relevant to plan9, however small the issue may be, it may warrant some
discussion:

fossil has a maximum stream size (maximum file size, as i understand it) of
2^73 bytes, however the seek() system call accepts only a vlong (2^64) as an
argument.

the article can be found here:

	http://freshmeat.net/articles/view/709/

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I think 2^63 is a perfectly fine limit for the
forseeable future.  Do you really have files
(or file systems) that big?

The only point of the sentence about the 2^73
hash tree limit was that the maximum depth
of 7 is more than enough.

Russ


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I don't know.  If I took I wanted to attach a GPS to
every person on earth and delta encode there movements
once a second for their whole lifetime, I could do that
as a single stream on venti (just barely).  On the other
hand, once they died the position data would probably
compress a lot better.
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I think 2^63 is a perfectly fine limit for the
forseeable future.  Do you really have files
(or file systems) that big?

The only point of the sentence about the 2^73
hash tree limit was that the maximum depth
of 7 is more than enough.

Russ

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This reminds me of the IPv6 fools, who seemed to think that
if 2^48 wasn't quite enough, they should go for 2^64 but just
to be sure, double it to 2^128.

Do you know how big 2^64 is?  It's not twice as big as a gigabyte.
Let's say we had a gigabit ethernet and we wanted to write a 2^64
byte file.  It would take more than a thousand years.

-rob


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okay, you win.  it wasn't easy, but updated kernels
and binaries are on sources.   enjoy!

g% yesterday -d /sys/include/libc.h
diff /n/dump/2003/0126/sys/include/libc.h /sys/include/libc.h
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< extern	vlong	seek(int, vlong, int);
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> extern	mpint*	seek(int, mpint*, int);
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>This reminds me of the IPv6 fools, who seemed to think that
>if 2^48 wasn't quite enough, they should go for 2^64 but just
>to be sure, double it to 2^128.

You might argue that 2^128 is insanely wasteful, but it's also
awfully convenient.  It allows all sorts of sparse allocation schemes
for large blocks of addresses, without fear that you're using up
too much of the address space.  At 2^64, some Actual Thought might
be required in doling out large chunks of the address space.  At
2^128 there is definitely no Actual Thought required: you just waste
address space however happens to be most convenient.

Consider this: at 2^64, we couldn't even afford to give each person
their own 2^32 block, since there are already more than 2^32 humans.
While a 2^32 block per person might seem incredibly wasteful, it's
not a huge stretch to imagine technologies that might want such a
thing happening within say the next 30 years (device density is
still increasing exponentially).  I can't imagine what such
technologies might be, but I am sure not going to go on the record
as saying "nope, that's ridiculous, will never happen."

As a programmer, you must have experienced the analagous situation:
often you can make a tradeoff between simple code and larger data
size, or more complex code and smaller data size.  Now that memory
is cheap, the former choice is almost always preferable.  You end
up "wasting" memory, but you save a lot in terms of coding and
debugging effort.  Saving actual thought in global network address
allocation is a similarly worthy tradeoff.

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Russ, Nemo:

I've updated the bitsy kernel. Attached is a diff and the file init9.s,
and the other modified files (as I think Nemo prefers). I had to make
a small change to wavelan.c, but the mkfile should probably be
changed to use ../port/wavelan.c instead.

I'm not sure the bootdir section needs anything other than
bootbitsy.out. Anything more than what I have makes the
kernel too large to boot.

John


diff /n/dump/2003/0118/sys/src/9/bitsy/bitsy /sys/src/9/bitsy/bitsy
41d40
< 	paqfs.root
49a49,52
 >
 > bootdir
 > 	bootbitsy.out boot
 > 	/arm/bin/paqfs paqfs
Only in /sys/src/9/bitsy: init9.s
diff /n/dump/2003/0118/sys/src/9/bitsy/mkfile /sys/src/9/bitsy/mkfile
50d49
< 	boot$CONF.root.$O\
93a93
 > <|../port/mkbootrules $CONF
95,97c95,98
< init.h:	initcode /sys/src/libc/9syscall/sys.h
< 	$AS initcode
< 	$LD -l -s -R4 -o init.out initcode.$O
---
 > init.h:	../port/initcode.c init9.s
 > 	$CC ../port/initcode.c
 > 	$AS init9.s
 > 	$LD -l -R1 -o init.out init9.$O initcode.$O /arm/lib/libc.a
99c100
< 	 xd -r -1x init.out |
---
 > 	 strip < init.out | xd -1x |
Common subdirectories: /n/dump/2003/0118/sys/src/9/bitsy/paqfiles and 
/sys/src/9/bitsy/paqfiles
diff /n/dump/2003/0118/sys/src/9/bitsy/wavelan.c 
/sys/src/9/bitsy/wavelan.c
658c658
< 				w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdAskStats, WTyp_Stats);
---
 > 				w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdEnquire, WTyp_Stats);




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TEXT	_main(SB),$8
	MOVW	$setR12(SB), R12	/* load the SB */
	MOVW	$boot(SB), R0

	ADD	$12, R13, R1	/* get a pointer to 0(FP) */

	MOVW	R0, 4(R13)
	MOVW	R1, 8(R13)

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CONF=bitsy
CONFLIST=bitsy

objtype=arm
</$objtype/mkfile
p=9

DEVS=`{rc ../port/mkdevlist $CONF}

PORT=\
	alarm.$O\
	alloc.$O\
	allocb.$O\
	auth.$O\
	cache.$O\
	chan.$O\
	dev.$O\
	fault.$O\
	latin1.$O\
	rebootcmd.$O\
	page.$O\
	parse.$O\
	pgrp.$O\
	portclock.$O\
	print.$O\
	proc.$O\
	nulledf.$O\
	qio.$O\
	qlock.$O\
	segment.$O\
	swap.$O\
	sysfile.$O\
	sysproc.$O\
	taslock.$O\
	tod.$O\
	xalloc.$O\

OBJ=\
	l.$O\
	main.$O\
	trap.$O\
	clock.$O\
	mmu.$O\
	power.$O\
	random.$O\
	sa1110dma.$O\
	screen.$O\
	$DEVS\
	$PORT\
	fpi.$O\
	fpiarm.$O\
	fpimem.$O\
	defont.$O\

LIB=\
	/$objtype/lib/libmemlayer.a\
	/$objtype/lib/libmemdraw.a\
	/$objtype/lib/libdraw.a\
	/$objtype/lib/libc.a\
	/$objtype/lib/libsec.a\
	/$objtype/lib/libip.a\

size:VQ: $p$CONF
	ls -l $p$CONF|sed 's/^[^ ]+ [^ ]+ [^ ]+ [^ ]+ [^ ]+ ([^ ]+).*/load ram 0xc0008000 \1/'
	echo load kernel
	echo !xms /sys/src/9/bitsy/^$p$CONF
	echo jump 0xc0008010

acid:VQ:
	echo acid -lmap s9bitsy

$p$CONF:	$OBJ $CONF.c $LIB /arm/inflate
	$CC $CFLAGS '-DKERNDATE='`{date -n} $CONF.c
	$LD -o $target -H5 -R4 -T0xC0008010 -l $OBJ $CONF.$O $LIB
	$LD -o s$target -R4 -T0xC0008010 -l $OBJ $CONF.$O $LIB
	gzip $target
	cat /arm/inflate $target.gz > $target
	echo the boot loader misses the last 12 bytes >> $target
	rm $target.gz

install:V:	$p$CONF paqdisk
	test -d /n/once/arm && cp $p$CONF /n/once/arm/$p$CONF
	test -d /n/once/arm && cp s$p$CONF /n/once/arm/s$p$CONF
	test -d /n/once/arm && cp paqdisk /n/once/arm/paqdisk
	# 9fs lookout && cp $p$CONF /n/lookout/$objtype/$p$CONF

installkern:V:	$p$CONF
	cp $p$CONF /$objtype/$p$CONF
	cp s$p$CONF /$objtype/s$p$CONF

<../boot/bootmkfile
<../port/portmkfile
<|../port/mkbootrules $CONF

init.h:	../port/initcode.c init9.s
	$CC ../port/initcode.c
	$AS init9.s
	$LD -l -R1 -o init.out init9.$O initcode.$O /arm/lib/libc.a
	{echo 'uchar initcode[]={'
	 strip < init.out | xd -1x |
		sed -e 's/^[0-9a-f]+ //' -e 's/ ([0-9a-f][0-9a-f])/0x\1,/g'
	 echo '};'} > init.h

clock.$O:	/$objtype/include/ureg.h

devether.$O: ../port/netif.h
wavelan.$O: wavelan.c wavelan.h ../pc/wavelan.h

fpi.$O: fpi.h
fpiarm.$O: fpi.h
fpimem.$O: fpi.h

screen.$O: gamma.h

paqdisk:V:
	rm -fr armpaq
	mkdir armpaq
	cd armpaq
	disk/mkfs -a /sys/lib/sysconfig/proto/armpaqproto|disk/mkext -d .
	mkpaqfs -o ../paqdisk
	cd ..
	echo load ramdisk
	echo !xms /sys/src/9/bitsy/paqdisk

bitsy.clean:
	rm -rf armpaq $p$CONF s$p$CONF paqdisk $CONF.c boot$CONF.c ../boot/libboot.a5


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dev=0A=09root=0A=09cons=0A=09dup=0A=09env=0A=09ether=09netif=0A=09flash=0A=
=09ip=09arp=20chandial=20ip=20ipv6=20ipaux=20iproute=20netlog=20=
nullmedium=20pktmedium=20inferno=0A=09kprof=0A=09mnt=0A=09=C2=B5c=0A=09=
pcmcia=09cis=0A=09draw=0A=09penmouse=0A=09pipe=0A=09proc=0A=09realtime=09=
realtimesub=20edf=0A=09cap=0A=09srv=0A=09ssl=0A=09uart=0A=09uda1341=0A=09=
sd=0A=0Aip=0A=09il=0A=09tcp=0A=09udp=0A=09ipifc=0A=09icmp=0A=09icmp6=0A=09=
gre=0A=09ipmux=0A=0Alink=0A=09etherwavelan=20wavelan=0A=09ethermedium=0A=0A=
misc=0A=09uartsa1110=0A=09sdata=0A=0Aport=0A=09int=20cpuserver=20=3D=20=
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/*
	Lucent Wavelan IEEE 802.11 pcmcia. 
	There is almost no documentation for the card.
	the driver is done using both the FreeBSD, Linux and
	original Plan 9 drivers as `documentation'.

	Has been used with the card plugged in during all up time.
	no cards removals/insertions yet.

	For known BUGS see the comments below. Besides,
	the driver keeps interrupts disabled for just too
	long. When it gets robust, locks should be revisited.

	BUGS: check endian, alignment and mem/io issues;
	      multicast;
	      receive watchdog interrupts.
	TODO: automatic power management;
	      improve locking.
 */
#include "u.h"
#include "../port/lib.h"
#include "mem.h"
#include "dat.h"
#include "fns.h"
#include "io.h"
#include "../port/error.h"
#include "../port/netif.h"
#include "etherif.h"
#include "wavelan.h"

/*
 * When we're using a PCI device and memory-mapped I/O, 
 * the registers are spaced out as though each takes 32 bits,
 * even though they are only 16-bit registers.  Thus, 
 * ctlr->mmb[reg] is the right way to access register reg,
 * even though a priori you'd expect to use ctlr->mmb[reg/2].
 */
void
csr_outs(Ctlr *ctlr, int reg, ushort arg)
{
	if(ctlr->mmb)
		ctlr->mmb[reg] = arg;
	else
		outs(ctlr->iob+reg, arg);
}

ushort
csr_ins(Ctlr *ctlr, int reg)
{
	if(ctlr->mmb)
		return ctlr->mmb[reg];
	else
		return ins(ctlr->iob+reg);
}

static void
csr_ack(Ctlr *ctlr, int ev)
{
	csr_outs(ctlr, WR_EvAck, ev);
}

static void
csr_inss(Ctlr *ctlr, int reg, void *dat, int ndat)
{
	ushort *rp, *wp;

	if(ctlr->mmb){
		rp = &ctlr->mmb[reg];
		wp = dat;
		while(ndat-- > 0)
			*wp++ = *rp;
	}else
		inss(ctlr->iob+reg, dat, ndat);
}

static void
csr_outss(Ctlr *ctlr, int reg, void *dat, int ndat)
{
	ushort *rp, *wp;

	if(ctlr->mmb){
		rp = dat;
		wp = &ctlr->mmb[reg];
		while(ndat-- > 0)
			*wp = *rp++;
	}else
		outss(ctlr->iob+reg, dat, ndat);
}

// w_... routines do not ilock the Ctlr and should
// be called locked.

void
w_intdis(Ctlr* ctlr)
{
	csr_outs(ctlr, WR_IntEna, 0);
	csr_ack(ctlr, 0xffff);
}

static void
w_intena(Ctlr* ctlr)
{
	csr_outs(ctlr, WR_IntEna, WEvs);
}

int
w_cmd(Ctlr *ctlr, ushort cmd, ushort arg)
{
	int i, rc;

	for(i=0; i<WTmOut; i++)
		if((csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Cmd)&WCmdBusy) == 0)
			break;
	if(i==WTmOut){
		print("#l%d: issuing cmd %.4ux: %.4ux\n", ctlr->ctlrno, cmd, csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Cmd));
		return -1;
	}

	csr_outs(ctlr, WR_Parm0, arg);
	csr_outs(ctlr, WR_Cmd, cmd);

	for(i=0; i<WTmOut; i++)
		if(csr_ins(ctlr, WR_EvSts)&WCmdEv)
			break;
	if(i==WTmOut){
		/*
		 * WCmdIni can take a really long time.
		 */
		enum { IniTmOut = 2000 };
		for(i=0; i<IniTmOut; i++){
			if(csr_ins(ctlr, WR_EvSts)&WCmdEv)
				break;
			microdelay(100);
		}
		if(i < IniTmOut)
			if(0) print("#l%d: long cmd %.4ux %d\n", ctlr->ctlrno, cmd, i);
		if(i == IniTmOut){
			print("#l%d: execing cmd %.4ux: %.4ux\n", ctlr->ctlrno, cmd, csr_ins(ctlr, WR_EvSts));
			return -1;
		}
	}
	rc = csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Sts);
	csr_ack(ctlr, WCmdEv);

	if((rc&WCmdMsk) != (cmd&WCmdMsk)){
		print("#l%d: cmd %.4ux: status %.4ux\n", ctlr->ctlrno, cmd, rc);
		return -1;
	}
	if(rc&WResSts){
		/*
		 * Don't print; this happens on every WCmdAccWr for some reason.
		 */
		if(0) print("#l%d: cmd %.4ux: status %.4ux\n", ctlr->ctlrno, cmd, rc);
		return -1;
	}
	return 0;
}

static int
w_seek(Ctlr* ctlr, ushort id, ushort offset, int chan)
{
	int i, rc;
	static ushort sel[] = { WR_Sel0, WR_Sel1 };
	static ushort off[] = { WR_Off0, WR_Off1 };

	if(chan != 0 && chan != 1)
		panic("wavelan: bad chan\n");
	csr_outs(ctlr, sel[chan], id);
	csr_outs(ctlr, off[chan], offset);
	for (i=0; i<WTmOut; i++){
		rc = csr_ins(ctlr, off[chan]);
		if((rc & (WBusyOff|WErrOff)) == 0)
			return 0;
	}
	return -1;
}

int
w_inltv(Ctlr* ctlr, Wltv* ltv)
{
	int len;
	ushort code;

	if(w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdAccRd, ltv->type)){
		DEBUG("wavelan: access read failed\n");
		return -1;
	}
	if(w_seek(ctlr,ltv->type,0,1)){
		DEBUG("wavelan: seek failed\n");
		return -1;
	}
	len = csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Data1);
	if(len > ltv->len)
		return -1;
	ltv->len = len;
	if((code=csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Data1)) != ltv->type){
		USED(code);
		DEBUG("wavelan: type %x != code %x\n",ltv->type,code);
		return -1;
	}
	if(ltv->len > 0)
		csr_inss(ctlr, WR_Data1, &ltv->val, ltv->len-1);

	return 0;
}

static void
w_outltv(Ctlr* ctlr, Wltv* ltv)
{
	if(w_seek(ctlr,ltv->type, 0, 1))
		return;
	csr_outss(ctlr, WR_Data1, ltv, ltv->len+1);
	w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdAccWr, ltv->type);
}

void
ltv_outs(Ctlr* ctlr, int type, ushort val)
{
	Wltv ltv;

	ltv.len = 2;
	ltv.type = type;
	ltv.val = val;
	w_outltv(ctlr, &ltv);
}

int
ltv_ins(Ctlr* ctlr, int type)
{
	Wltv ltv;

	ltv.len = 2;
	ltv.type = type;
	ltv.val = 0;
	if(w_inltv(ctlr, &ltv))
		return -1;
	return ltv.val;
}

static void
ltv_outstr(Ctlr* ctlr, int type, char* val)
{
	Wltv ltv;
	int len;

	len = strlen(val);
	if(len > sizeof(ltv.s))
		len = sizeof(ltv.s);
	memset(&ltv, 0, sizeof(ltv));
	ltv.len = (sizeof(ltv.type)+sizeof(ltv.slen)+sizeof(ltv.s))/2;
	ltv.type = type;

//	This should be ltv.slen = len; according to Axel Belinfante
	ltv.slen = len;	

	strncpy(ltv.s, val, len);
	w_outltv(ctlr, &ltv);
}

static char Unkname[] = "who knows";
static char Nilname[] = "card does not tell";

static char*
ltv_inname(Ctlr* ctlr, int type)
{
	static Wltv ltv;
	int len;

	memset(&ltv,0,sizeof(ltv));
	ltv.len = WNameLen/2+2;
	ltv.type = type;
	if(w_inltv(ctlr, &ltv))
		return Unkname;
	len = ltv.slen;
	if(len == 0 || ltv.s[0] == 0)
		return Nilname;
	if(len >= sizeof ltv.s)
		len = sizeof ltv.s - 1;
	ltv.s[len] = '\0';
	return ltv.s;
}

static int
w_read(Ctlr* ctlr, int type, int off, void* buf, ulong len)
{
	if(w_seek(ctlr, type, off, 1)){
		DEBUG("wavelan: w_read: seek failed");
		return 0;
	}
	csr_inss(ctlr, WR_Data1, buf, len/2);

	return len;
}

static int
w_write(Ctlr* ctlr, int type, int off, void* buf, ulong len)
{
	int tries;

	for (tries=0; tries < WTmOut; tries++){
		if(w_seek(ctlr, type, off, 0)){
			DEBUG("wavelan: w_write: seek failed\n");
			return 0;
		}

		csr_outss(ctlr, WR_Data0, buf, len/2);

		csr_outs(ctlr, WR_Data0, 0xdead);
		csr_outs(ctlr, WR_Data0, 0xbeef);
		if(w_seek(ctlr, type, off + len, 0)){
			DEBUG("wavelan: write seek failed\n");
			return 0;
		}
		if(csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Data0) == 0xdead)
		if(csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Data0) == 0xbeef)
			return len;
		DEBUG("wavelan: Hermes bug byte.\n");
		return 0;
	}
	DEBUG("wavelan: tx timeout\n");
	return 0;
}

static int
w_alloc(Ctlr* ctlr, int len)
{
	int rc;
	int i,j;

	if(w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdMalloc, len)==0)
		for (i = 0; i<WTmOut; i++)
			if(csr_ins(ctlr, WR_EvSts) & WAllocEv){
				csr_ack(ctlr, WAllocEv);
				rc=csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Alloc);
				if(w_seek(ctlr, rc, 0, 0))
					return -1;
				len = len/2;
				for (j=0; j<len; j++)
					csr_outs(ctlr, WR_Data0, 0);
				return rc;
			}
	return -1;
}

static int
w_enable(Ether* ether)
{
	Wltv ltv;
	Ctlr* ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;

	if(!ctlr)
		return -1;

	w_intdis(ctlr);
	w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdDis, 0);
	w_intdis(ctlr);
	if(w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdIni, 0))
		return -1;
	w_intdis(ctlr);

	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_Tick, 8);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_MaxLen, ctlr->maxlen);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_Ptype, ctlr->ptype);
 	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_CreateIBSS, ctlr->createibss);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_RtsThres, ctlr->rtsthres);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_TxRate, ctlr->txrate);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_ApDens, ctlr->apdensity);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_PMWait, ctlr->pmwait);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_PM, ctlr->pmena);
	if(*ctlr->netname)
		ltv_outstr(ctlr, WTyp_NetName, ctlr->netname);
	if(*ctlr->wantname)
		ltv_outstr(ctlr, WTyp_WantName, ctlr->wantname);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_Chan, ctlr->chan);
	if(*ctlr->nodename)
		ltv_outstr(ctlr, WTyp_NodeName, ctlr->nodename);
	ltv.len = 4;
	ltv.type = WTyp_Mac;
	memmove(ltv.addr, ether->ea, Eaddrlen);
	w_outltv(ctlr, &ltv);

	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_Prom, (ether->prom?1:0));

	if(ctlr->hascrypt){
		ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_Crypt, ctlr->crypt);
		ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_TxKey, ctlr->txkey);
		w_outltv(ctlr, &ctlr->keys);
		ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_XClear, ctlr->xclear);
	}

	// BUG: set multicast addresses

	if(w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdEna, 0)){
		DEBUG("wavelan: Enable failed");
		return -1;
	}
	ctlr->txdid = w_alloc(ctlr, 1518 + sizeof(WFrame) + 8);
	ctlr->txmid = w_alloc(ctlr, 1518 + sizeof(WFrame) + 8);
	if(ctlr->txdid == -1 || ctlr->txmid == -1)
		DEBUG("wavelan: alloc failed");
	ctlr->txbusy = 0;
	w_intena(ctlr);
	return 0;
}

static void
w_rxdone(Ether* ether)
{
	Ctlr* ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;
	int len, sp;
	WFrame f;
	Block* bp=0;
	Etherpkt* ep;

	sp = csr_ins(ctlr, WR_RXId);
	len = w_read(ctlr, sp, 0, &f, sizeof(f));
	if(len == 0){
		DEBUG("wavelan: read frame error\n");
		goto rxerror;
	}
	if(f.sts&WF_Err){
		goto rxerror;
	}
	switch(f.sts){
	case WF_1042:
	case WF_Tunnel:
	case WF_WMP:
		len = f.dlen + WSnapHdrLen;
		bp = iallocb(ETHERHDRSIZE + len + 2);
		if(!bp)
			goto rxerror;
		ep = (Etherpkt*) bp->wp;
		memmove(ep->d, f.addr1, Eaddrlen);
		memmove(ep->s, f.addr2, Eaddrlen);
		memmove(ep->type,&f.type,2);
		bp->wp += ETHERHDRSIZE;
		if(w_read(ctlr, sp, WF_802_11_Off, bp->wp, len+2) == 0){
			DEBUG("wavelan: read 802.11 error\n");
			goto rxerror;
		}
		bp->wp = bp->rp+(ETHERHDRSIZE+f.dlen);
		break;
	default:
		len = ETHERHDRSIZE + f.dlen + 2;
		bp = iallocb(len);
		if(!bp)
			goto rxerror;
		if(w_read(ctlr, sp, WF_802_3_Off, bp->wp, len) == 0){
			DEBUG("wavelan: read 800.3 error\n");
			goto rxerror;
		}
		bp->wp += len;
	}

	ctlr->nrx++;
	etheriq(ether,bp,1);
	ctlr->signal = ((ctlr->signal*15)+((f.qinfo>>8) & 0xFF))/16;
	ctlr->noise = ((ctlr->noise*15)+(f.qinfo & 0xFF))/16;
	return;

rxerror:
	freeb(bp);
	ctlr->nrxerr++;
}

static void
w_txstart(Ether* ether)
{
	Etherpkt *pkt;
	Ctlr *ctlr;
	Block *bp;
	int len, off;

	if((ctlr = ether->ctlr) == nil || (ctlr->state & (Attached|Power)) != (Attached|Power) || ctlr->txbusy)
		return;

	if((bp = qget(ether->oq)) == nil)
		return;
	pkt = (Etherpkt*)bp->rp;

	//
	// If the packet header type field is > 1500 it is an IP or
	// ARP datagram, otherwise it is an 802.3 packet. See RFC1042.
	//
	memset(&ctlr->txf, 0, sizeof(ctlr->txf));
	if(((pkt->type[0]<<8)|pkt->type[1]) > 1500){
		ctlr->txf.framectl = WF_Data;
		memmove(ctlr->txf.addr1, pkt->d, Eaddrlen);
		memmove(ctlr->txf.addr2, pkt->s, Eaddrlen);
		memmove(ctlr->txf.dstaddr, pkt->d, Eaddrlen);
		memmove(ctlr->txf.srcaddr, pkt->s, Eaddrlen);
		memmove(&ctlr->txf.type, pkt->type, 2);
		bp->rp += ETHERHDRSIZE;
		len = BLEN(bp);
		off = WF_802_11_Off;
		ctlr->txf.dlen = len+ETHERHDRSIZE-WSnapHdrLen;
		hnputs((uchar*)&ctlr->txf.dat[0], WSnap0);
		hnputs((uchar*)&ctlr->txf.dat[1], WSnap1);
		hnputs((uchar*)&ctlr->txf.len, len+ETHERHDRSIZE-WSnapHdrLen);
	}
	else{
		len = BLEN(bp);
		off = WF_802_3_Off;
		ctlr->txf.dlen = len;
	}
	w_write(ctlr, ctlr->txdid, 0, &ctlr->txf, sizeof(ctlr->txf));
	w_write(ctlr, ctlr->txdid, off, bp->rp, len+2);

	if(w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdReclaim|WCmdTx, ctlr->txdid)){
		DEBUG("wavelan: transmit failed\n");
		ctlr->ntxerr++;
	}
	else{
		ctlr->txbusy = 1;
		ctlr->txtmout = 2;
	}
	freeb(bp);
}

static void
w_txdone(Ctlr* ctlr, int sts)
{
	ctlr->txbusy = 0;
	ctlr->txtmout = 0;
	if(sts & WTxErrEv)
		ctlr->ntxerr++;
	else
		ctlr->ntx++;
}

static int
w_stats(Ctlr* ctlr)
{
	int i, rc, sp;
	Wltv ltv;
	ulong* p = (ulong*)&ctlr->WStats;
	ulong* pend = (ulong*)&ctlr->end;

	sp = csr_ins(ctlr, WR_InfoId);
	ltv.len = ltv.type = 0;
	w_read(ctlr, sp, 0, &ltv, 4);
	if(ltv.type == WTyp_Stats){
		ltv.len--;
		for (i = 0; i < ltv.len && p < pend; i++){
			rc = csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Data1);
			if(rc > 0xf000)
				rc = ~rc & 0xffff;
			p[i] += rc;
		}
		return 0;
	}
	return -1;
}

static void
w_intr(Ether *ether)
{
	int rc, txid;
	Ctlr* ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;

	if((ctlr->state & Power) == 0)
		return;

	if((ctlr->state & Attached) == 0){
		csr_ack(ctlr, 0xffff);
		csr_outs(ctlr, WR_IntEna, 0);
		return;
	}

	rc = csr_ins(ctlr, WR_EvSts);
	csr_ack(ctlr, ~WEvs);	// Not interested in them
	if(rc & WRXEv){
		w_rxdone(ether);
		csr_ack(ctlr, WRXEv);
	}
	if(rc & WTXEv){
		w_txdone(ctlr, rc);
		csr_ack(ctlr, WTXEv);
	}
	if(rc & WAllocEv){
		ctlr->nalloc++;
		txid = csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Alloc);
		csr_ack(ctlr, WAllocEv);
		if(txid == ctlr->txdid){
			if((rc & WTXEv) == 0)
				w_txdone(ctlr, rc);
		}
	}
	if(rc & WInfoEv){
		ctlr->ninfo++;
		w_stats(ctlr);
		csr_ack(ctlr, WInfoEv);
	}
	if(rc & WTxErrEv){
		w_txdone(ctlr, rc);
		csr_ack(ctlr, WTxErrEv);
	}
	if(rc & WIDropEv){
		ctlr->nidrop++;
		csr_ack(ctlr, WIDropEv);
	}
	w_txstart(ether);
}

// Watcher to ensure that the card still works properly and
// to request WStats updates once a minute.
// BUG: it runs much more often, see the comment below.

static void
w_timer(void* arg)
{
	Ether* ether = (Ether*) arg;
	Ctlr* ctlr = (Ctlr*)ether->ctlr;

	ctlr->timerproc = up;
	for(;;){
		tsleep(&ctlr->timer, return0, 0, 50);
		ctlr = (Ctlr*)ether->ctlr;
		if(ctlr == 0)
			break;
		if((ctlr->state & (Attached|Power)) != (Attached|Power))
			continue;
		ctlr->ticks++;

		ilock(ctlr);

		// Seems that the card gets frames BUT does
		// not send the interrupt; this is a problem because
		// I suspect it runs out of receive buffers and
		// stops receiving until a transmit watchdog
		// reenables the card.
		// The problem is serious because it leads to
		// poor rtts.
		// This can be seen clearly by commenting out
		// the next if and doing a ping: it will stop
		// receiving (although the icmp replies are being
		// issued from the remote) after a few seconds.
		// Of course this `bug' could be because I'm reading
		// the card frames in the wrong way; due to the
		// lack of documentation I cannot know.

		if(csr_ins(ctlr, WR_EvSts)&WEvs){
			ctlr->tickintr++;
			w_intr(ether);
		}

		if((ctlr->ticks % 10) == 0) {
			if(ctlr->txtmout && --ctlr->txtmout == 0){
				ctlr->nwatchdogs++;
				w_txdone(ctlr, WTxErrEv);
				if(w_enable(ether)){
					DEBUG("wavelan: wdog enable failed\n");
				}
				w_txstart(ether);
			}
			if((ctlr->ticks % 120) == 0)
			if(ctlr->txbusy == 0)
				w_cmd(ctlr, WCmdEnquire, WTyp_Stats);
		}
		iunlock(ctlr);
	}
	pexit("terminated", 0);
}

void
w_multicast(void*, uchar*, int)
{
	// BUG: to be added.
}

void
w_attach(Ether* ether)
{
	Ctlr* ctlr;
	char name[64];
	int rc;

	if(ether->ctlr == 0)
		return;

	snprint(name, sizeof(name), "#l%dtimer", ether->ctlrno);
	ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;
	if((ctlr->state & Attached) == 0){
		ilock(ctlr);
		rc = w_enable(ether);
		iunlock(ctlr);
		if(rc == 0){
			ctlr->state |= Attached;
			kproc(name, w_timer, ether);
		} else
			print("#l%d: enable failed\n",ether->ctlrno);
	}
}

void
w_detach(Ether* ether)
{
	Ctlr* ctlr;
	char name[64];

	if(ether->ctlr == nil)
		return;

	snprint(name, sizeof(name), "#l%dtimer", ether->ctlrno);
	ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;
	if(ctlr->state & Attached){
		ilock(ctlr);
		w_intdis(ctlr);
		if(ctlr->timerproc){
			if(!postnote(ctlr->timerproc, 1, "kill", NExit))
				print("timerproc note not posted\n");
			print("w_detach, killing 0x%p\n", ctlr->timerproc);
		}
		ctlr->state &= ~Attached;
		iunlock(ctlr);
	}
	ether->ctlr = nil;
}

void
w_power(Ether* ether, int on)
{
	Ctlr *ctlr;

	ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;
	ilock(ctlr);
iprint("w_power %d\n", on);
	if(on){
		if((ctlr->state & Power) == 0){
			if (wavelanreset(ether, ctlr) < 0){
				iprint("w_power: reset failed\n");
				iunlock(ctlr);
				w_detach(ether);
				free(ctlr);
				return;
			}
			if(ctlr->state & Attached)
				w_enable(ether);
			ctlr->state |= Power;
		}
	}else{
		if(ctlr->state & Power){
			if(ctlr->state & Attached)
				w_intdis(ctlr);
			ctlr->state &= ~Power;
		}
	}
	iunlock(ctlr);
}

#define PRINTSTAT(fmt,val)	l += snprint(p+l, READSTR-l, (fmt), (val))
#define PRINTSTR(fmt)		l += snprint(p+l, READSTR-l, (fmt))

long
w_ifstat(Ether* ether, void* a, long n, ulong offset)
{
	Ctlr *ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;
	char *k, *p;
	int i, l, txid;

	ether->oerrs = ctlr->ntxerr;
	ether->crcs = ctlr->nrxfcserr;
	ether->frames = 0;
	ether->buffs = ctlr->nrxdropnobuf;
	ether->overflows = 0;

	//
	// Offset must be zero or there's a possibility the
	// new data won't match the previous read.
	//
	if(n == 0 || offset != 0)
		return 0;

	p = malloc(READSTR);
	l = 0;

	PRINTSTAT("Signal: %d\n", ctlr->signal-149);
	PRINTSTAT("Noise: %d\n", ctlr->noise-149);
	PRINTSTAT("SNR: %ud\n", ctlr->signal-ctlr->noise);
	PRINTSTAT("Interrupts: %lud\n", ctlr->nints);
	PRINTSTAT("Double Interrupts: %lud\n", ctlr->ndoubleint);
	PRINTSTAT("TxPackets: %lud\n", ctlr->ntx);
	PRINTSTAT("RxPackets: %lud\n", ctlr->nrx);
	PRINTSTAT("TxErrors: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxerr);
	PRINTSTAT("RxErrors: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxerr);
	PRINTSTAT("TxRequests: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxrq);
	PRINTSTAT("AllocEvs: %lud\n", ctlr->nalloc);
	PRINTSTAT("InfoEvs: %lud\n", ctlr->ninfo);
	PRINTSTAT("InfoDrop: %lud\n", ctlr->nidrop);
	PRINTSTAT("WatchDogs: %lud\n", ctlr->nwatchdogs);
	PRINTSTAT("Ticks: %ud\n", ctlr->ticks);
	PRINTSTAT("TickIntr: %ud\n", ctlr->tickintr);
	k = ((ctlr->state & Attached) ? "attached" : "not attached");
	PRINTSTAT("Card %s", k);
	k = ((ctlr->state & Power) ? "on" : "off");
	PRINTSTAT("PCardower %s", k);
	k = ((ctlr->txbusy)? ", txbusy" : "");
	PRINTSTAT("%s\n", k);

	if(ctlr->hascrypt){
		PRINTSTR("Keys: ");
		for (i = 0; i < WNKeys; i++){
			if(ctlr->keys.keys[i].len == 0)
				PRINTSTR("none ");
			else if(SEEKEYS == 0)
				PRINTSTR("set ");
			else
				PRINTSTAT("%s ", ctlr->keys.keys[i].dat);
		}
		PRINTSTR("\n");
	}

	// real card stats
	ilock(ctlr);
	PRINTSTR("\nCard stats: \n");
	PRINTSTAT("Status: %ux\n", csr_ins(ctlr, WR_Sts));
	PRINTSTAT("Event status: %ux\n", csr_ins(ctlr, WR_EvSts));
	i = ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_Ptype);
	PRINTSTAT("Port type: %d\n", i);
	PRINTSTAT("Transmit rate: %d\n", ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_TxRate));
	PRINTSTAT("Current Transmit rate: %d\n",
		ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_CurTxRate));
	PRINTSTAT("Channel: %d\n", ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_Chan));
	PRINTSTAT("AP density: %d\n", ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_ApDens));
	PRINTSTAT("Promiscuous mode: %d\n", ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_Prom));
	if(i == 3)
		PRINTSTAT("SSID name: %s\n", ltv_inname(ctlr, WTyp_NetName));
	else {
		Wltv ltv;
		PRINTSTAT("Current name: %s\n", ltv_inname(ctlr, WTyp_CurName));
		ltv.type = WTyp_BaseID;
		ltv.len = 4;
		if(w_inltv(ctlr, &ltv))
			print("#l%d: unable to read base station mac addr\n", ether->ctlrno);
		l += snprint(p+l, READSTR-l, "Base station: %2.2x%2.2x%2.2x%2.2x%2.2x%2.2x\n",
			ltv.addr[0], ltv.addr[1], ltv.addr[2], ltv.addr[3], ltv.addr[4], ltv.addr[5]);
	}
	PRINTSTAT("Net name: %s\n", ltv_inname(ctlr, WTyp_WantName));
	PRINTSTAT("Node name: %s\n", ltv_inname(ctlr, WTyp_NodeName));
	if(ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_HasCrypt) == 0)
		PRINTSTR("WEP: not supported\n");
	else {
		if(ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_Crypt) == 0)
			PRINTSTR("WEP: disabled\n");
		else{
			PRINTSTR("WEP: enabled\n");
			k = ((ctlr->xclear)? "excluded": "included");
			PRINTSTAT("Clear packets: %s\n", k);
			txid = ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_TxKey);
			PRINTSTAT("Transmit key id: %d\n", txid);
		}
	}
	iunlock(ctlr);

	PRINTSTAT("ntxuframes: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxuframes);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxmframes: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxmframes);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxfrags: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxfrags);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxubytes: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxubytes);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxmbytes: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxmbytes);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxdeferred: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxdeferred);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxsretries: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxsretries);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxmultiretries: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxmultiretries);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxretrylimit: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxretrylimit);
	PRINTSTAT("ntxdiscards: %lud\n", ctlr->ntxdiscards);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxuframes: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxuframes);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxmframes: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxmframes);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxfrags: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxfrags);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxubytes: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxubytes);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxmbytes: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxmbytes);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxfcserr: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxfcserr);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxdropnobuf: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxdropnobuf);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxdropnosa: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxdropnosa);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxcantdecrypt: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxcantdecrypt);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxmsgfrag: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxmsgfrag);
	PRINTSTAT("nrxmsgbadfrag: %lud\n", ctlr->nrxmsgbadfrag);
	USED(l);
	n = readstr(offset, a, n, p);
	free(p);
	return n;
}
#undef PRINTSTR
#undef PRINTSTAT

int
w_option(Ctlr* ctlr, char* buf, long n)
{
	char *p;
	int i, r;
	WKey *key;
	Cmdbuf *cb;

	r = 0;
	print("here\n");
	cb = parsecmd(buf, n);
	for (i = 0; i < cb->nf; i++)
		iprint("cb %s\n", cb->f[i]);

	if(cb->nf < 2)
		r = -1;
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "essid") == 0){
		if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1],"default") == 0)
			p = "";
		else
			p = cb->f[1];
		if(ctlr->ptype == 3){
			memset(ctlr->netname, 0, sizeof(ctlr->netname));
			strncpy(ctlr->netname, p, WNameLen);
		}
		else{
			memset(ctlr->wantname, 0, sizeof(ctlr->wantname));
			strncpy(ctlr->wantname, p, WNameLen);
		}
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "station") == 0){
		memset(ctlr->nodename, 0, sizeof(ctlr->nodename));
		strncpy(ctlr->nodename, cb->f[1], WNameLen);
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "channel") == 0){
		if((i = atoi(cb->f[1])) >= 1 && i <= 16)
			ctlr->chan = i;
		else
			r = -1;
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "mode") == 0){
		if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "managed") == 0)
			ctlr->ptype = WPTypeManaged;
		else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "wds") == 0)
			ctlr->ptype = WPTypeWDS;
		else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "adhoc") == 0)
			ctlr->ptype = WPTypeAdHoc;
		else if((i = atoi(cb->f[1])) >= 1 && i <= 3)
			ctlr->ptype = i;
		else
			r = -1;
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "ibss") == 0){
		if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "on") == 0)
			ctlr->createibss = 1;
		else
			ctlr->createibss = 0;
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "crypt") == 0){
		if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "off") == 0)
			ctlr->crypt = 0;
		else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "on") == 0 && ctlr->hascrypt)
			ctlr->crypt = 1;
		else
			r = -1;
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "clear") == 0){
		if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "on") == 0)
			ctlr->xclear = 0;
		else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "off") == 0 && ctlr->hascrypt)
			ctlr->xclear = 1;
		else
			r = -1;
	}
	else if(cistrncmp(cb->f[0], "key", 3) == 0){
		if((i = atoi(cb->f[0]+3)) >= 1 && i <= WNKeys){
			ctlr->txkey = i-1;
			key = &ctlr->keys.keys[ctlr->txkey];
			key->len = strlen(cb->f[1]);
			if(key->len > WKeyLen)
				key->len = WKeyLen;
			memset(key->dat, 0, sizeof(key->dat));
			memmove(key->dat, cb->f[1], key->len);
		}
		else
			r = -1;
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "txkey") == 0){
		if((i = atoi(cb->f[1])) >= 1 && i <= WNKeys)
			ctlr->txkey = i-1;
		else
			r = -1;
	}
	else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[0], "pm") == 0){
		if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "off") == 0)
			ctlr->pmena = 0;
		else if(cistrcmp(cb->f[1], "on") == 0){
			ctlr->pmena = 1;
			if(cb->nf == 3){
				i = atoi(cb->f[2]);
				// check range here? what are the units?
				ctlr->pmwait = i;
			}
		}
		else
			r = -1;
	}
	else
		r = -2;
	free(cb);

	return r;
}

long
w_ctl(Ether* ether, void* buf, long n)
{
	Ctlr *ctlr;

	if((ctlr = ether->ctlr) == nil)
		error(Enonexist);
	if((ctlr->state & Attached) == 0)
		error(Eshutdown);

	ilock(ctlr);
	if(w_option(ctlr, buf, n)){
		iunlock(ctlr);
		error(Ebadctl);
	}
	if(ctlr->txbusy)
		w_txdone(ctlr, WTxErrEv);
	w_enable(ether);
	w_txstart(ether);
	iunlock(ctlr);

	return n;
}

void
w_transmit(Ether* ether)
{
	Ctlr* ctlr = ether->ctlr;

	if(ctlr == 0)
		return;

	ilock(ctlr);
	ctlr->ntxrq++;
	w_txstart(ether);
	iunlock(ctlr);
}

void
w_promiscuous(void* arg, int on)
{
	Ether* ether = (Ether*)arg;
	Ctlr* ctlr = ether->ctlr;

	if(ctlr == nil)
		error("card not found");
	if((ctlr->state & Attached) == 0)
		error("card not attached");
	ilock(ctlr);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_Prom, (on?1:0));
	iunlock(ctlr);
}

void
w_interrupt(Ureg* ,void* arg)
{
	Ether* ether = (Ether*) arg;
	Ctlr* ctlr = (Ctlr*) ether->ctlr;

	if(ctlr == 0)
		return;
	ilock(ctlr);
	ctlr->nints++;
	w_intr(ether);
	iunlock(ctlr);
}

int
wavelanreset(Ether* ether, Ctlr *ctlr)
{
	Wltv ltv;

	iprint("wavelanreset, iob 0x%ux\n", ctlr->iob);
	w_intdis(ctlr);
	if(w_cmd(ctlr,WCmdIni,0)){
		iprint("#l%d: init failed\n", ether->ctlrno);
		return -1;
	}
	w_intdis(ctlr);
	ltv_outs(ctlr, WTyp_Tick, 8);

	ctlr->chan = 0;
	ctlr->ptype = WDfltPType;
	ctlr->txkey = 0;
	ctlr->createibss = 0;
	ctlr->keys.len = sizeof(WKey)*WNKeys/2 + 1;
	ctlr->keys.type = WTyp_Keys;
	if(ctlr->hascrypt = ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_HasCrypt))
		ctlr->crypt = 1;
	*ctlr->netname = *ctlr->wantname = 0;
	strcpy(ctlr->nodename, "Plan 9 STA");

	ctlr->netname[WNameLen-1] = 0;
	ctlr->wantname[WNameLen-1] = 0;
	ctlr->nodename[WNameLen-1] =0;

	ltv.type = WTyp_Mac;
	ltv.len	= 4;
	if(w_inltv(ctlr, &ltv)){
		iprint("#l%d: unable to read mac addr\n",
			ether->ctlrno);
		return -1;
	}
	memmove(ether->ea, ltv.addr, Eaddrlen);

	if(ctlr->chan == 0)
		ctlr->chan = ltv_ins(ctlr, WTyp_Chan);
	ctlr->apdensity = WDfltApDens;
	ctlr->rtsthres = WDfltRtsThres;
	ctlr->txrate = WDfltTxRate;
	ctlr->maxlen = WMaxLen;
	ctlr->pmena = 0;
	ctlr->pmwait = 100;
	ctlr->signal = 1;
	ctlr->noise = 1;
	ctlr->state |= Power;

	// free old Ctlr struct if resetting after suspend
	if(ether->ctlr && ether->ctlr != ctlr)
		free(ether->ctlr);

	// link to ether
	ether->ctlr = ctlr;
	ether->mbps = 10;
	ether->attach = w_attach;
	ether->detach = w_detach;
	ether->interrupt = w_interrupt;
	ether->transmit = w_transmit;
	ether->ifstat = w_ifstat;
	ether->ctl = w_ctl;
	ether->power = w_power;
	ether->promiscuous = w_promiscuous;
	ether->multicast = w_multicast;
	ether->arg = ether;

	iprint("#l%d: irq %ld port %lx type %s",
		ether->ctlrno, ether->intnum, ether->ports[0].port,	ether->type);
	iprint(" %2.2uX%2.2uX%2.2uX%2.2uX%2.2uX%2.2uX\n",
		ether->ea[0], ether->ea[1], ether->ea[2],
		ether->ea[3], ether->ea[4], ether->ea[5]);

	return 0;
}

char* wavenames[] = {
	"WaveLAN/IEEE",
	"TrueMobile 1150",
	"Instant Wireless ; Network PC CARD",
	"Avaya Wireless PC Card",
	"AirLancer MC-11",
	nil,
};


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hello,

I tried to find in the archives whether the vmware image for plan9 is
updated frequently or not.

The current vmware image doesn't have rob pike's newwindow() addition to
libdraw. While I had no problems doing a replica/pull a newcomer to the OS
may find it frustrating that the network is not working by default for
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I would suggest enabling ip/ipconfig (the DHCP one) in the default vmware
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nicely...

As for keeping the vmware image up to date, it may be easier just to give
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Can we see it as a simple mechanism for inport/export command?
I have some problem when we must use more than, say, four CDROMs
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If so, I think it's very very useful for us.

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I've added an alias for a host by putting an additional
'dom=alias' attribute in the host's entry in NDB. It works and I've
not experienced any bad side effects. Can't find anything specific
in the docs. Is this the correct place and method?


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> I tried to find in the archives whether the vmware image for plan9 is
> updated frequently or not.

It's not.  It's updated about as frequently as the "stable" CD image.

> The current vmware image doesn't have rob pike's newwindow() addition to
> libdraw. While I had no problems doing a replica/pull a newcomer to the OS
> may find it frustrating that the network is not working by default for
> example.
>
> I would suggest enabling ip/ipconfig (the DHCP one) in the default vmware
> installation since vmware aliases the already existing network connection so
> nicely...

Hmm.  I should have turned that on.  Whoops.

> As for keeping the vmware image up to date, it may be easier just to give
> instructions how to register on sources.cs and how to do a replica/pull and
> not bother with putting a brand new vmware image on the web each night :)

I don't know any easy way to put up a new image automatically anyway.

Russ


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It can be used that way. Although if your setting is always the
same you can use just import. The aim of badsrv/redirfs is to
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Can we see it as a simple mechanism for inport/export command?
I have some problem when we must use more than, say, four CDROMs
for students, however, we have only one for it.   Then, I put the CDROM
on a mechine, and all the other students share the one CDROM by a
simple command of redirfs and badsrv?

If so, I think it's very very useful for us.

Kenji

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>The aim of badsrv/redirfs is to
> do that in a more automated way.

Yeah, I got it.
I love such automatic way, because we have to give our
students (not computer science, but geology :-) lots of infos
other than computer etc.  We have only limited time as we 
know though.

Kenji


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steve.simon@snellwilcox.com wrote:
> I have come widely used code I'am trying to port (imake) which relies on
> wait(2) [IE ape's wait] returning -1 if the current process has no children.
> I can fix this easily in the application but I think the bug is in ape.
> I cannot find a definitive answer on the net; so anyone got a copy of the POSIX
> documents to hand?

Strange; it took me about 5 seconds to locate the wait(2)
manual page for Open Unix 8.0 from the Caldera Web site:

"If wait returns due to a stopped or terminated child process,
the process ID of the child is returned to the calling process.
Otherwise, wait returns -1 and sets errno to identify the error."

"ECHILD: The calling process has no existing unwaited-for child
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rob pike, esq. wrote:
> Do you know how big 2^64 is?  It's not twice as big as a gigabyte.
> Let's say we had a gigabit ethernet and we wanted to write a 2^64
> byte file.  It would take more than a thousand years.

But we're talking about addresses; the data could be sparse.

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The files are at
/sys/src/cmd/redir
/sys/man/4/redirfs
/sys/man/8/badsrv

The manual pages are updated and can be seen also in
http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/magic/man2html/4/redirfs and
http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/magic/man2html/8/badsrv

Remember that it's still is experimental. This is the part of my profile
that does the thing for me:
 
	if (~ $redir yes){
		redirfs -m /usr/nemo -s nemo /usr/nemo
		redirfs -b -m /dev -s audio /n/fake # there's no local #A
		redirfs -m /n/cdrom -s cdrom '#S/sdD0'
		redirfs -m /n/music -s music /n/once/music
		badsrv  &
	}

I also run `badsrv&' at other machines, in order to hear from their
resources when they are around.

hth


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Did anyone (anywhere) ever implement the Resource Location Protocol?

    ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc887.txt



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There are several (if not many) projects doing resource
discovery. One that I like has been implemented at uiuc.edu
by the srg group. The protocol badsrv is using is very
naive and will be replaced. The code used now is just enough
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Did anyone (anywhere) ever implement the Resource Location Protocol?

    ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc887.txt


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> But we're talking about addresses; the data could be sparse.

Sure would make writing a venti server easier if we had 134 bit
file addresses (120 for the SHA1 hash and 16 for the data).


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Sure would help if I could add.


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And multiply.

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> "ECHILD: The calling process has no existing unwaited-for child
> processes."

Appologies, I should RTFM more carefully.

If Plan9 wait(2) fails then ape's wait(2) should fail also.

/sys/src/ape/lib/ap/plan9/wait.c
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Okay, I fixed that part of wait, but the WNOHANG
still doesn't behave right when there are no children
and is much harder to fix.


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Boyd Roberts wrote:
> Did anyone (anywhere) ever implement the Resource Location Protocol?
> 
>    ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc887.txt

I'm not certain, but it's functionally similar to a half-dozen other 
protocols, such as Service Location Protocol ( 
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2165.html ) which I think only Sun and Apple 
ever put into use, and then Apple abandoned for multicast DNS ( 
http://www.multicastdns.org/ ) and DNS Service Discovery ( 
http://www.dns-sd.org/ ).

Are you thinking RLP would be a particularly good marriage with Plan 9, 
or just curious?

-J


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Jack Johnson wrote:

> Are you thinking RLP would be a particularly good marriage with Plan 
> 9, or just curious? 

I just thought I'd throw it in.  I nearly used it 10 years back, but didn't.



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> Did anyone (anywhere) ever implement the Resource Location Protocol?
> 
>    ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc887.txt

If anyone has implemented it then they have left no trace on the web.  It
appears that there are bootp implementations that would point a client
in the direction of a RLP server if there were an RLP server.  This is
backwards, of course: the RLP server should be telling you where to
find the bootp server.
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> > (*) Via some crockery I send sound bytes from the cpu
> > server via drawterm to the audio device of the sun.)
> 
> The plan is actually to write some drivers in Linux and change u9fs
> to let Linux export resources for us an also make it think that some
> of our little trees are /dev things. But don't hold your breath :-)

Currently, I'm using drawterm under solaris.
In solaris I just have two named pipes /tmp/dev/^(audio volume)
that in drawterm are visible as /mnt/term/tmp/dev/^(audio volume) .
In drawterm I then just ``bind -a /mnt/term/tmp/dev /dev''.
Under solaris I run two programs, one to copy sound bytes from
/tmp/dev/audio to /dev/audio, and another to interpret lines read
from /tmp/dev/volume to update the master volume via /dev/audioctl
(currently, I also need/use sox to put in the solaris audio header,
 because I somehow cannot get the copying program to do that right).
Of course, this only works in one direction
(audio output from plan9 to solaris).

I think I would prefer to see such functionality somehow integrated
in (or connected to) drawterm, in the same way as drawterm makes
other devices available to plan 9, over something that uses u9fs --
but maybe I'm overlooking something.
I assume, a problem of audio will be that a ``host driver''
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Just some thoughts.

Axel.

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Another shell script for dealing with keys.  I got tired
of fixing factotum by hand when I type a bad password.
Attached is delkey.  It interactively scans factotum/ctl
and deletes keys that match the specified pattern. If no
pattern is given, it scans all keys.  With the -f (force)
flag, it deletes without asking first.

It's new and not thoroughly tested, so beware.

-rob
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#!/bin/rc

rfork e

ctl = /mnt/factotum/ctl
if(test -r /mnt/term/mnt/factotum/ctl)
	ctl = /mnt/term/mnt/factotum/ctl

fn forceit {
	switch($force){
	case no
		echo -n $* '? [y/n]' > /dev/cons
		ok = `{read}
		switch($ok){
		case y* Y*
			echo yes
		case q* Q*
			exit ''
		case *
			echo no
		}
	case *
		echo yes
	}
}

fn deleteit {
	key = `{echo $* | sed 's/ ![0-9a-zA-Z_]+\??/ /g' | sed 's/ +$//'}
	if(~ `{forceit del$key} yes)
		if(! echo del$key > $ctl)
			exit bad
}

force = no

if(~ $1 '-f'){
	force = yes
	shift
}

ifs='
'

if(~ $#* 0){
	for(i in `{cat $ctl})
		deleteit $i
	exit ''
}

for(i in `{grep $"* $ctl})
	deleteit $i
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It's worth pointing out that the Windows drawterm
at one point provided a /dev/audio, though that 
version never made it into the distribution.

I want to build a more modular drawterm eventually.

Russ


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> I want to build a more modular drawterm eventually.

Cool.

Please don't read my previous post as criticism on current drawterm --
I think it's pretty neat that it allows the simple named pipe trick
(crock or not) to work, and that it gets me as far as it does!

Axel.

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This message was written on my first native Plan 9 system - as I am new to it I used "ssh m-net.arbornet.org" though.
I edited "/sys/src/9/pc/etherec2t.c" to get my D-Link DE-660 PCMCIA / PC CARD 10Mbit Ethernet card working.

aux/pcmcia:
device 16384 bytes of 250ns IO+MEM
attr device 512 bytes of 250ns EEPROM
version 4.1
	D-Link
	DE-660
	118B6603
configuration registers at (0)0x400 (1)0x402 (3)0x406
configuration 32 (default)
	I/O device,  Memory Wait required
	IO space 5 address lines 8bit or 16bit access
	interrupts:level, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15

I just put the line
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	{ "D-Link", 0,},		/* D-Link DE-660 10 PC Card */
into the struct Ec2t ec2tpcmcia[]

It works only, when I do "init 6" or "reboot" in Linux.
Probably the card needs some initialization which has not been implemented in the driver yet.

I would be pleased if someone could help me.

(I am using a Plan9CD I downloaded several days ago and I am doing a replica/pull right now -- its still running but I think there has not been a patch regarding this card.)

Danielo Parisien

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We will make presentation of our marsv software (previously Planv)
at Houston March, the abstract of which is seen at
http://wwwflag.wr.usgs.gov/USGSFlag/Space/Isprs/MEETINGS/Houston2003/abstracts.html.

If I could have someone there to meet, and could have help on Plan 9
itself if someone asked on Plan 9 itself but not Marsv.  :-)

Kenji


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I forgot an important acknowledgement to Russ.

Thank you very much Russ, it's abstract was made on Plan 9
using LaTex, dvips, and ghostscript for Plan 9.

Kenji


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To delete the most recently added key (likely the common
result of your loop):

cat /mnt/factotum/ctl | tail -1 | sed 's/ !.*//;s/^/del/' >/mnt/factotum/ctl

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> I want to build a more modular drawterm eventually.

Would something like Inferno's '#C' device and 'os' command be useful
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native helper programs.  I vaguely recall Forsyth mentioning this
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote:

> We will make presentation of our marsv software (previously Planv)
> at Houston March, the abstract of which is seen at
> http://wwwflag.wr.usgs.gov/USGSFlag/Space/Isprs/MEETINGS/Houston2003/abstracts.html.
>
> If I could have someone there to meet, and could have help on Plan 9
> itself if someone asked on Plan 9 itself but not Marsv.  :-)

I assume that is Houston, Tx. in March?

If so I'd certainly be interested in participating w/ regard to Plan 9.

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> Can you please provide more info?

It will be held at March 22, 2003 at Lunar and Planetary Institute
(LPI) in Houston, Texas.  You may find more info on the Work shop
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote:

> > Can you please provide more info?
>
> It will be held at March 22, 2003 at Lunar and Planetary Institute
> (LPI) in Houston, Texas.  You may find more info on the Work shop
> from the URL of
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/isprs2003/

We should probably continue this offline...

I'd be interested to hear more about what you would expect out of such a
presentation. I assume it would be 'table time' fielding questions and
helping hands?

I'm also giving a Plan 9 focused talk Feb. 20:

http://robotgroup.net


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> I'd be interested to hear more about what you would expect out of such a
> presentation. 

As I wrote in the abstract, I'm not a Plan 9 proper people, rather I found 
Plan 9 is suitable to our purpose.   Personally, I love it, because it's the most 
beautiful operating system I've ever seen, though. ?

> I'm also giving a Plan 9 focused talk Feb. 20:
> 
> http://robotgroup.net

I prefer 'edu' domain...

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Is it possible to run MIPS architectures under the third version (as
cpu machines and file servers) and have it networked and without any
penalty or performance issue to an x86 terminal running the fourth
version?

I read the documentation, and it says that the os was completely
reworked.  How much?

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On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote:

> > I'd be interested to hear more about what you would expect out of such a
> > presentation.
>
> As I wrote in the abstract, I'm not a Plan 9 proper people, rather I found
> Plan 9 is suitable to our purpose.   Personally, I love it, because it's the
> most beautiful operating system I've ever seen, though.

??? Ok, that still doesn't answer my question.

> > I'm also giving a Plan 9 focused talk Feb. 20:
> >
> > http://robotgroup.net
>
> I prefer 'edu' domain...

So sorry, the Austin Robot Group doesn't have a .edu domain.


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> cat /mnt/factotum/ctl | tail -1 | sed 's/ !.*//;s/^/del/' >/mnt/factotum/ctl

presumably this should actually be:
cat /mnt/factotum/ctl | tail -1 | sed 's/ !.*//;s/^/del/' | read -m >/mnt/factotum/ctl

for those with large numbers of keys?


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> presumably this should actually be:
> cat /mnt/factotum/ctl | tail -1 | sed 's/ !.*//;s/^/del/' | read -m >/mnt/factotum/ctl
> 
> for those with large numbers of keys?

i think you missed the tail -1.


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There are changes to u9fs on sources that add support
for p9any as an authentication protocol.  Thanks to Nigel.

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> 	when you create an ioproc and later interrupt it with iointerrupt,
> (since there's no handler set) the xioproc process dies. This means that
> the process performing the iocall hangs forever waiting in the receive from
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I just changed iointerrupt() to post "threadint" instead of "interrupt".
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Yesterday, for unknown reasons, I began having problems with
my fossil partition. Stupidly, I didn't have the most recent
vac score from the file server console. Using a score I saved
a couple of days ago, I was able to reformat the partition to
an earlier state (and so "lost" two days of archival
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Suppose I didn't have a score at all. Is there some way to
recover the most recent score, perhaps from the venti server?

Also, though it's no big loss, is everything stored on Venti
in the last two days inaccessible?

Forgive me if this is addressed in the man pages.

John Packer


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> Suppose I didn't have a score at all. Is there some way to
> recover the most recent score, perhaps from the venti server?

Yes.  Since the data is not encrypted, if you have access to
the raw disk partitions storing the arenas, you can find
anything you want.

> Also, though it's no big loss, is everything stored on Venti
> in the last two days inaccessible?

Do a pull to get the new file /sys/src/cmd/venti/printarena.c
and then

	cd /sys/src/cmd/venti
	mk 8.printarena

Then, run this on the Venti server as the host owner:

cd /sys/src/cmd/venti
ventihttp=your-server:8000
hget http://$ventihttp/index | 
awk '
 /^index=/ { blockSize=0+substr($3, 11); }
 /^arena=/ { arena=substr($1, 7); }
 /^	arena=/ { start=0+substr($5, 2)-blockSize; printf("./8.printarena -o %d %s\n", start, $3); }' |
rc |
sed -n 's/^(.*) 1$/vac:\1/p'

to get a list of all the vac archives on the server.

Russ


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>>>>> "Skip" == Skip Tavakkolian <fst@centurytel.net> writes:

    Skip> I've been studying drawterm sources. I can't see an easy way
    Skip> to export more (ntfs) partitions, other than changing the
    Skip> base to a different one and recompiling.  Correct?

A different way to skin this particular cat is to mount the additional
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partitions as folders.

Under Windows, make an empty directory (eg C:\Drive-D)

On the Windows box, start the "disk administrator" app.
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Right click on the NTFS partition of interest and select "Change Drive
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Run drawterm, the access it via /mnt/term/drive-d

Works for me with WinXP and drawterm

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> I think I would prefer to see such functionality somehow integrated
> in (or connected to) drawterm, in the same way as drawterm makes
> other devices available to plan 9, over something that uses u9fs --
> but maybe I'm overlooking something.

If you do it that way, linux binaries can't use
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote:

> > I think I would prefer to see such functionality somehow integrated
> > in (or connected to) drawterm, in the same way as drawterm makes
> > other devices available to plan 9, over something that uses u9fs --
> > but maybe I'm overlooking something.
>
> If you do it that way, linux binaries can't use
> a resource serviced by Plan 9. I'd like not just to use their resources,
> but also to let them use ours.

This goes back to one of the first (if not the first question) I ever
asked on joining 9Fans a couple of years ago. A mechanism for Linux (and
other OS'es) to participate in the process space as peers, and whether anyone
was working on such a beast. I believe the commentary at that point was
some mono-OS zealotry about how nobody was interested.

My how times change.


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>
> This goes back to one of the first (if not the first question) I ever
> asked on joining 9Fans a couple of years ago. A mechanism for Linux (and
> other OS'es) to participate in the process space as peers, and whether anyone
> was working on such a beast. I believe the commentary at that point was
> some mono-OS zealotry about how nobody was interested.
>

You're such a misunderstood, decried visionary.  Surely the angels
weep for your constant suffering.  Be strong and steadfast JJ -
the Lord will eventually smite those who oppose you.

Blessed be, JJ.  Blessed be.

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hi,
sorry for (may be) the simple question, 
i am now in rereading some wiki docs 
(about Fossil, bootdir, ...) and can`t 
fully understand what means the expression 
``for kicks'' or ``just for kicks''. i know 
what means ``just for fun'' :) Could you 
please describe it or give me a synonym.
thanx

kyxap

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You want meaning 5b of Websters on-line, noun "kick".

"a stimulating or pleasurable effect or experience"

As in Cole Porter's "I get a kick out of you".

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hi,
sorry for (may be) the simple question,
i am now in rereading some wiki docs
(about Fossil, bootdir, ...) and can`t
fully understand what means the expression
``for kicks'' or ``just for kicks''. i know
what means ``just for fun'' :) Could you
please describe it or give me a synonym.
thanx

kyxap


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Andrey S. Kukhar wrote:
> i am now in rereading some wiki docs 
> (about Fossil, bootdir, ...) and can`t 
> fully understand what means the expression 
> ``for kicks'' or ``just for kicks''. i know 
> what means ``just for fun'' :)

In addition to being just for the fun of it, I always took the phrase to 
also mean that there was some challenge (that was fun) and that there 
was no pressing need to do the task in question except that it would be 
fun and maybe challenging to do it.

Basicaly, there is no boss leaning over your shoulder, forcing you to do 
it.  :)

Cheers,

~Jason

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"Andrey S. Kukhar" wrote:
> 
> hi,
> sorry for (may be) the simple question,
> i am now in rereading some wiki docs
> (about Fossil, bootdir, ...) and can`t
> fully understand what means the expression
> ``for kicks'' or ``just for kicks''. i know
> what means ``just for fun'' :) Could you
> please describe it or give me a synonym.
> thanx
> 
> kyxap

"Just for {fun | kicks | grins}" are synonymous and differ
mainly by the age or peer group using them. There are some
subtle differences in connotation, but let's not kick up a
fuss. I'm not sure of the derivation for the use of "kicks"
in this context; but I won't let that stop me from
speculating. It is iconic that as kids--a human child not
the baby goat--we enjoyed walking around kicking pebbles,
tin cans, rocks, and dirt in our wanderings. If not a fun
activity at least it was satisfying. I suspect that this is
a universal activity. Other phrases including kick are:
"kickin'!" - used by the younger generation for something
that is really good and "kick-ass", as in that "movie was
really kick-ass"; and "kicking up dust" - a metaphor for
drawing attention to oneself or making a scene or spectacle.

You may already be aware that "thankx" may be perceived as a
playful misspelling of "thanks" in an informal context but
will get red marked and -10 points on a formal composition. 

Hope that helps.

Later, Bob

p.s. We might want to keep these discussions off the 9fans
list in future. The purists and more instructive members may
kick up a fuss is we get off-topic.

mailto:bbourg@ccsi.com
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bbourg@ccsi.com wrote:

>"Just for {fun | kicks | grins}" are synonymous and differ
>mainly by the age or peer group using them.
>
Kick-ass digression, dude!




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Has anyone else seen this in acme: sometimes, when doing '|fmt' or
'|spell', I get a very long (20-30 seconds) delay in getting the output.


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Skip Tavakkolian wrote:

>Has anyone else seen this in acme: sometimes, when doing '|fmt' or
>'|spell', I get a very long (20-30 seconds) delay in getting the output.
>
>  
>
But that's what WNOHANG is for!

:)



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>>Has anyone else seen this in acme: sometimes, when doing '|fmt' or
>>'|spell', I get a very long (20-30 seconds) delay in getting the output.
>>
>>  
>>
> But that's what WNOHANG is for!
> 
> :)

It doesn't hang.  I can continue editing while I wait for the output.

From a UI perspective it can be confusing.  For things like '|fmt' it
is obvious because it will finally output something.  For things like
'|spell' where I don't know if it means there aren't any spelling
errors or the return is delayed, it isn't so obvious.

BTW, it isn't the system either.  I can run things in other windows,
during these delay periods in acme, so I don't believe it is delays in
the interaction with the fs; and curiously I don't think I've ever
seen this on the cpu (with drawterm).


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> For things like
> '|spell' where I don't know if it means there aren't any spelling
> errors or the return is delayed, it isn't so obvious.

You can always watch the top line of the acme screen to see what's running
and when things finish.

-rob


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Usually the |fmt delay (I only see a few seconds sometimes,
never 20-30) means that the directory containing the window's
file is slow.  Acme runs the command in the directory named
in the window tag, and the first thing that happens is that
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It happens in a separate proc, so life goes on in the acme window.

Typically this happens to me when I'm editing mail messages,
because I use upas/fs with pop3, and while it's talking to the
pop3 server it doesn't answer file system requests.

Russ

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> Typically this happens to me when I'm editing mail messages,
> because I use upas/fs with pop3, and while it's talking to the
> pop3 server it doesn't answer file system requests.

That is it!  Checking with snoopy confirms that the pop conversation
is very s l o w at times (due to my ISP), and the timing correlates exactly.

Thanks.


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Thanks for your help, Russ. That worked nicely.

John Packer


On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 09:02  PM, Russ Cox wrote:

>> Suppose I didn't have a score at all. Is there some way to
>> recover the most recent score, perhaps from the venti server?
>
> Yes.  Since the data is not encrypted, if you have access to
> the raw disk partitions storing the arenas, you can find
> anything you want.
>
>> Also, though it's no big loss, is everything stored on Venti
>> in the last two days inaccessible?
>
> Do a pull to get the new file /sys/src/cmd/venti/printarena.c
> and then
>
> 	cd /sys/src/cmd/venti
> 	mk 8.printarena
>
> Then, run this on the Venti server as the host owner:
>
> cd /sys/src/cmd/venti
> ventihttp=your-server:8000
> hget http://$ventihttp/index |
> awk '
>  /^index=/ { blockSize=0+substr($3, 11); }
>  /^arena=/ { arena=substr($1, 7); }
>  /^	arena=/ { start=0+substr($5, 2)-blockSize; printf("./8.printarena 
> -o %d %s\n", start, $3); }' |
> rc |
> sed -n 's/^(.*) 1$/vac:\1/p'
>
> to get a list of all the vac archives on the server.
>
> Russ


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Dear Mr. Packer:

I am in the process of securing some SGI MIPS workstations and I was =
wondering if I could use them with the 4th edition of Plan 9.

Is what you were doing with the mips kernel enabling them to work with a =
terminal running plan 9?  Does a mips kernel installed under the 3rd =
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I apologize for addressing this directly but I need to take delivery of =
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Sorry, you're asking the wrong guy.

The 3rd edition mips kernel wasn't for SGI machines, and
wasn't released with the 4th edition, which
is too bad: it is an excellent reference to the kernel.

Documentation on SGI hardware hard to come by, making a port
extremely difficult.

The mips work I was referring to was for the Playstation 2,
more as a cool demo and as a learning experience. It at least
has (some) documentation.

Good luck.

John


On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 08:14  PM, me wrote:

> Dear Mr. Packer:
> =A0
> I am in the process of securing some SGI MIPS workstations and I was=20=

> wondering if I could use them with the 4th edition of Plan 9.
> =A0
> Is what you were doing with the mips kernel enabling them to work with=20=

> a terminal running plan 9?=A0 Does a mips kernel installed under the =
3rd=20
> edition of plan 9 compatible with the 4th edition?
> =A0
> I apologize for addressing this directly but I need to take delivery=20=

> of these workstations soon...
> =A0
> =A0
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> =A0
> DAve
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> Has anyone else seen this in acme: sometimes, when doing '|fmt' or
> '|spell', I get a very long (20-30 seconds) delay in getting the output.

Yes I saw that kind of effects when I had a slow /tmp because I was using a remote
one (a modification I had made to ramfs made it hang)

HTH.
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Hi,

I was also wondering what happens in this kind of situatation (i.e. when one
forgets the fingerprint value). This utility very useful.

The other question I had is what happens if I terminate a vac command
abruptly? Is it that the blocks (that are written till that time) are there
somewhere permanently but one cannot get them out? Or is it that some level
of clean up is done?

Regards
dharani

> Thanks for your help, Russ. That worked nicely.
>
> John Packer
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 09:02  PM, Russ Cox wrote:
>
> >> Suppose I didn't have a score at all. Is there some way to
> >> recover the most recent score, perhaps from the venti server?
> >
> > Yes.  Since the data is not encrypted, if you have access to
> > the raw disk partitions storing the arenas, you can find
> > anything you want.
> >
> >> Also, though it's no big loss, is everything stored on Venti
> >> in the last two days inaccessible?
> >
> > Do a pull to get the new file /sys/src/cmd/venti/printarena.c
> > and then
> >
> > cd /sys/src/cmd/venti
> > mk 8.printarena
> >
> > Then, run this on the Venti server as the host owner:
> >
> > cd /sys/src/cmd/venti
> > ventihttp=your-server:8000
> > hget http://$ventihttp/index |
> > awk '
> >  /^index=/ { blockSize=0+substr($3, 11); }
> >  /^arena=/ { arena=substr($1, 7); }
> >  /^ arena=/ { start=0+substr($5, 2)-blockSize; printf("./8.printarena
> > -o %d %s\n", start, $3); }' |
> > rc |
> > sed -n 's/^(.*) 1$/vac:\1/p'
> >
> > to get a list of all the vac archives on the server.
> >
> > Russ
>


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When you interrupt a vac, the blocks are there
permanently and you can get them out if you know
their hashes, but of course you don't.  However,
if you store the same blocks again (you restart the
vac) they won't be stored a second time.

Russ

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In the "outdated software you really don't want" department,
Steve Simon updated the X11 port to compile on the current
system.  It's very slow on true-color displays, because it 
works with 8-bit images internally.

You really don't want this.  But there it is.  /n/sources/extra
and the updates page.  Thanks to Steve for fighting the most
recent battle with it.

VNC is a much better solution in most cases.

Russ

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can this be used to compile and run X programs natively on plan9?

the problem is that in some cases there is no other machine available to run
the vnc server on (or it's too far away, etc)...

On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Russ Cox wrote:

> In the "outdated software you really don't want" department,
> Steve Simon updated the X11 port to compile on the current
> system.  It's very slow on true-color displays, because it
> works with 8-bit images internally.
>
> You really don't want this.  But there it is.  /n/sources/extra
> and the updates page.  Thanks to Steve for fighting the most
> recent battle with it.
>
> VNC is a much better solution in most cases.
>
> Russ
>

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> can this be used to compile and run X programs natively on plan9?

only if they're very old x programs
and don't use any of the recent toolkit
libraries and don't use c++. 

like i said, you really don't want it.
it's good as an x server on an 8-bit
display so you can run x programs
on a remote machine and have them
on your screen.  but so is vnc.



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> VNC is a much better solution in most cases.

I'm pretty sure 'most cases' doesn't include for Japanese
input...

Kenji


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> I'm pretty sure 'most cases' doesn't include for Japanese
> input...

Is it any easier with the X port? 


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>> I'm pretty sure 'most cases' doesn't include for Japanese
>> input...
> 
> Is it any easier with the X port? 

I don't know, however, it may be possible.
I'm now troubled in pulling-off the serious bugs of our software,
so, I've not read Steve's port though.
However, the reason why I don't use vns is that point, particularly
for web browsing.   If the language encoding is not problem,
I agree vns is the better solution.

Kenji