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what gives?
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Oh, it has to be after the function body, if I'm not mistaken (which I
probably am).
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/tmp isn't writable? maybe start a ramfs or mount -c /usr/boyd/tmp /tmp
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I take it back, just read the message closer.
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/tmp isn't writable? maybe start a ramfs or mount -c /usr/boyd/tmp /tmp
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'whatis foo' should give you a clue.
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brahma% ls -l /tmp
--rw------- M 5073 boyd boyd 0 Aug 31 19:53 /tmp/A6818.boydsam
--rw-r--r-- M 5073 boyd boyd 0 Aug 31 19:27 /tmp/here18cc.0000
brahma% ls -ld /tmp
d-rwxr-xr-x M 5073 boyd boyd 0 Aug 31 19:53 /tmp
ahh, but that actually helps, 'cos i won't have a /tmp
when my script runs via /mail/box/username/pipeto so i
shall stick to echo's.
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this is a a horrible bug:
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So what's the fix? For that matter, what should the semantics be?
Should it be correct that while scanning a function body, the
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this is a a horrible bug:
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This works correctly (or at least as I expected) in Byron's rc.
; whatis foo
fn foo {cat <<<' echo foo
'}
The `<<<' is a builtin operator, of which the manpage says:
Additionally, rc supports ``here strings'', which are like
here documents, except that input is taken directly from a
string on the command line. Their use is illustrated here:
cat <<< 'this is a here string' | wc
(This feature enables rc to export functions using here
documents into the environment; the author does not expect
users to find this feature useful.)
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Getting here documents right inside functions and loops and loops
inside functions and in the background is tricky. Even Bourne didn't
get it right (see BUGS in V7's sh(1)). I think the SVR2 shell (thus
the V8 shell) got it mostly right, but I didn't push it hard. There
are two main issues to sort out: when to start reading a given here
document (and collecting it into a temp file or perhaps into memory
nowadays) and when to remove the temp file. This needs to work in the
presence of notes too. So consider scripts like this one:
fn sigint sigexit {
{
for (i in 1 2 3) {
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brahma% awk 'END {exit "foo"}' /dev/null ; echo $status
brahma% awk 'END {exit 1}' /dev/null ; echo $status
awk 8186: 1
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guess i use here docs 'cos i've written a lotta complex shell scripts.
i guess, back with V7, a lotta echo's wouldn't be cheap.
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> This works correctly (or at least as I expected) in Byron's rc.
i'm drawterm'd to ny and it's plan 9 4th ed.
i'm using echo.
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i have this rc script that i want to invoke via pipeto.
problem is that i need to know if the auto generated reply
is going to come right back at me, filling up dan's proc
table.
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| > This works correctly (or at least as I expected) in Byron's rc.
|
| i'm drawterm'd to ny and it's plan 9 4th ed.
I heard questions posed about what the right behaviour was, and how
to implement it, so I provided an example of what I think is the right
answer.
| i'm using echo.
You might be able to port Byron's shell. :)
Did anyone ever get es running under Plan 9?
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> You might be able to port Byron's shell. :)
hasn't vita already done that with the plethora of shells they have?
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I'm not suggesting
{ echo foo; echo bar; echo baz; echo quux } | cmd
but rather
echo 'foo
bar
baz
quux' | cmd
Given one echo command to replace one here document, I don't think the
here documents are substantially cheaper than using echo. With echo,
you have to load echo from disk (modulo caching) and it writes your
message down a pipe. With a here document, the shell writes the here
document into a temporary file, then attaches that temporary file as
the command's standard input, so the command can read what the shell
just wrote, then eventually the shell removes the temporary file;
again this is all nominally disk i/o. (To make matters slightly
worse, sh did unaligned writes of lengths not a multiple of 512 to the
temporary files.) So here documents are not cheap and they do seem to
clutter shells with considerable added complexity. I could probably
live without them except that bundle uses them, sometimes to transmit
large files that might even exceed Plan 9's ability to pass them as
command-line arguments.
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> I could probably live without them except that bundle uses them, ...
oh i had forgotten about that. bundle is a cool thing.
i hate all that tar.gz nonsense; if you have to compress it, well it's too big.
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i use both -q and -d in the script to massage emelie's
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i'm cleaning up vac's options and will probably
drop a few and provide new ways to access the
functionality of some others.
if you use vac with any of -d, -e, -i, -m, -q,
please mail me so i don't drop your favorite option.
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sorry, i meant that as mail directly to rsc.
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have you looked at this:
http://tmda.sourceforge.net/
it has the same feel to it as yours does (judging from the little snippet
below), even though it's considerably larger and more complex (but can be
fooled by the latest '6 degrees of freedom' viruses, just like your filter
can)...
an added bonus -- it's being used by the FSF for @gnu.org addresses :)
and another bonus -- it's written in python, so it could just work in
Plan 9.
andrey
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>
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>
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> have you looked at this:
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> http://tmda.sourceforge.net/
thanks, but no. i can't stand sourcefarce (sic) and the lunix zealots.
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from the manual (and from various tests):
Its two arguments are the with arguments of
the destination address (e.g. local!gremlin) and the user's
mail box path (e.g. /mail/box/gremlin/mbox)
which is at odds with filter.
i just can't see the point of handing up the destination address.
isn't the point to know who it's from?
Filter provides simple mail filtering. The first two argu-
ments are the recipient's address and mailbox, that is, the
same arguments provided to pipeto.
btw: i found out more interesting things about here docs; you had
better run ramfs _very_ early on.
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we kept mash in case people were using it, but we do everything (or at
least roger does) with sh. arguably they are all still too complicated.
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> You might be able to port Byron's shell. :)
hasn't vita already done that with the plethora of shells they have?
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same reason as this, i suspect:
awk 'END {print 1 * "hello"}' /dev/null
0
the rules aren't really given in the manual page except perhaps
by implication in the BUGS, but in a context where a number is
expected (operand of arithmetic operator) the string is converted
to a number, and "hello" or "foo" are both zero, but "5hello" is 5.
exit takes an expression but doesn't say whether it's integer or
string (but it's integer, as usual on Unix).
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brahma% awk 'END {exit "foo"}' /dev/null ; echo $status
brahma% awk 'END {exit 1}' /dev/null ; echo $status
awk 8186: 1
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boyd, rounin wrote:
> i hate all that tar.gz nonsense; if you have to compress it, well it's too big.
A lot of software systems worth going to the trouble of porting
are inherently pretty large, and the compression helps a lot for
folks who are stuck with dial-up modem access.
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the alternate kbd driver with maps is at sources under /nemo.
Just pull or copy the files that change and recompile your kernel.
If you need help, drop me a line. I've been offline for a whole month
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been there, done that. j'en ai marre ...
i think nemo did some stuff with it:
http://plan9.escet.urjc.es
i did some 3rd Ed stuff with it, but ... it's on a cd somewhere.
the other problem is that the 9p2000 changed the dev interface, so _if_
i find it, it's still some work.
brucee said it best:
http://www.chunder.com/2001/paris
ah fuck it, let me look at my CDs ...
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> I've been offline for a whole month
because Europe was too hot this summer?
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Hi,
I'am trying to get APM to work on my desktop machine
so I can get it to shutdown after doing a backup each night.
I have added 'apm0=' to my plan9.ini but get a
message along the lines of:
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in plan9.ini
on boot.
The '#P/apm' device does not appear either with or
without the 'apm0=' line in plan9.ini
Have I missed somthing?
-Steve
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Hi,
I'am trying to get APM to work on my desktop machine
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I have added 'apm0=' to my plan9.ini but get a
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The '#P/apm' device does not appear either with or
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-Steve
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Hi,
I'am starting to think about a spam filtering again.
I plan to use Paul Grahams ideas plus the changes
sugested by Gary Robinson; Basicially a Naive Baiesian
classifier.
I think its best to implement it as a filesystem which overlays
upas/fs which is transparent to valid email but opaque to spam,
this meanst the token frequency database remains in RAM, not
having to be reloaded to test each new email.
In order for the filter to learn the user must be able to classify
the few spams that slip through, so I propose to wstat() emails
to zero length before deletion if they are spam and simply delete
them if they are valid.
In the longer term I have some ideas about fingerprinting attached
images, adding tokens for "is html email", "has MS screen-saver attached"
etc.
Anyone any opinions on this approach?
-Steve
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I'am using the kernel as distributed by the labs and /sys/src/9/pc/pcdisk
has an entry of the form:
apm apmjunk
which _I think_ answers your question, "yes I have",
but perhaps there is another incantation to make it work.
Its a pain as I have been through this before, apm works
beautifully on my laptop, but thats at home...
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Hi,
I'am trying to get APM to work on my desktop machine
so I can get it to shutdown after doing a backup each night.
I have added 'apm0=' to my plan9.ini but get a
message along the lines of:
warning: did not change apm0-ax=f000 ...
in plan9.ini
on boot.
The '#P/apm' device does not appear either with or
without the 'apm0=' line in plan9.ini
Have I missed somthing?
-Steve
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If you run upas/fs over the mail message in your pipetp, you can get at any of the fields.
For example:
#!/bin/rc
# create a /tmp for here documents
rfork en
bind -c /mail/tmp /tmp
RECIP=$1
MBOX=$2
PF=/mail/box/$USER/_pattern
TMP=/mail/tmp/mine.$pid
BIN=/bin/upas
D=/mail/fs/mbox/1
# save and parse the mail file
{sed '/^$/,$ s/^From / From /'; echo} > $TMP
upas/fs -f $TMP
# accept anything sent to license-discuss
if( grep -si license-discuss@opensource.org $D/to || grep -si license-discuss@opensource.org $D/cc || grep -si license-discuss@opensource.org $D/from )
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$BIN/deliver $RECIP $D/from $MBOX < $D/raw
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}
# throw out anything from boyd at his non insultant address
if( grep -si 'boyd@(.*\.)?sdgm.net' $D/from )
{
$BIN/deliver $RECIP $D/from $MBOX.bounced < $D/raw
rv=$status
rm $TMP
exit $rv
}
# dump it if the sender is spoofing me
if( grep -si '^x-warning: suspect .* domain$' $D/rawheader && grep $USER $D/from)
{
$BIN/deliver $RECIP $D/from $MBOX.bounced < $D/raw
rv=$status
rm $TMP
exit $rv
}
...
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And, by the way, filter looks through the message to get the
sender address. You pass it the recipient's address on the
command line because that is often different from anything
found in the mail message (because of redirection, blank copies,
...).
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i think awk should be able to exit with a string like everything
else does/should with exits().
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I'd prefer a plain filter that could be called form pipeto, and
regarding training, I'd prefer to be able to use a different program,
say, upas/spam -y ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 08:48:40 -0400 (EDT)
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Hi,
I'am starting to think about a spam filtering again.
I plan to use Paul Grahams ideas plus the changes
sugested by Gary Robinson; Basicially a Naive Baiesian
classifier.
I think its best to implement it as a filesystem which overlays
upas/fs which is transparent to valid email but opaque to spam,
this meanst the token frequency database remains in RAM, not
having to be reloaded to test each new email.
In order for the filter to learn the user must be able to classify
the few spams that slip through, so I propose to wstat() emails
to zero length before deletion if they are spam and simply delete
them if they are valid.
In the longer term I have some ideas about fingerprinting attached
images, adding tokens for "is html email", "has MS screen-saver attached"
etc.
Anyone any opinions on this approach?
-Steve
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rsc already wrote and is using a bayesian filter via pipeto.
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BTW, I reread your mail, and if you just want
to shutdown the machine you only need /dev/console.
regarding your apm problem, if you had apm enabled in the bios
and the driver in place, I don't know what the problem can be.
Does the message show up before loading the kernel or after?
If it's before, it's a 9load problem. If it's after, the apm driver
might be the place to look at.
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> And, by the way, filter looks through the message to get the
> sender address.
i see. i wanted to avoid messages in /tmp and 822 parsing.
i shall have to think about it. perhaps i should write a tool
(i already have the code) to pick the headers apart, although
i'm loathed to do it.
upas/fs looks interesting. thanks.
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upas/fs is just a tool to pick the headers apart. I started thinking of doing
a special header tool also and then realized that I'ld already written it.
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> rsc already wrote and is using a bayesian filter via pipeto.
Is it in the distribution?
- Dan C.
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The warning makes it sound like
your line in plan9.ini says
apm0=ax=f000 ...
when it should just say
apm0=
Could you double check that?
Also, the kernel config line
should be
apm apmjump
not
apm apmjunk
though the latter is probably a
better description.
Russ
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my case is a bit special is that i receive very little mail at sdgm.net
which _isn't_ spam. i don't like the idea of filters, like spamassassin.
oh cool: beavis and butthead.
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You could assume that all mails that have not classified as spam, are not
spam. I could then simply define a `S' script and run it from acme to
let you know which ones are spam. But if rsc has one already done, we'd
better use his interface as is.
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Boyd, if you want to build a white list, all the
mechanism is in /mail/lib/pipeto.lib already.
Here's an example where bad mail gets spooled in
another box _held, and then an example where it
gets bounced back for a challenge-response.
Russ
g% cat pipeto.hold
#!/bin/rc
USER=rsc
KEY=9fans-choate
MAILTO=rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com
# set up standard environment
. /mail/lib/pipeto.lib $*
# check against filter patterns
filterstatus=`{tokenfilter $TMP.msg}
switch($filterstatus){
case !match
log dropped $RECIP From `{cat $D/replyto}
# spool /mail/box/$USER/_dropped
exit 0
case new
log held $RECIP From `{cat $D/replyto}
spool /mail/box/$USER/_held
exit 0
case match token
if(~ $filterstatus token)
log added $RECIP From `{cat $D/replyto}
spool $MBOX
listupdate
case *
log unknown filter status $filterstatus
spool $MBOX
exit 'unknown filter status'
}
exit ''
g% cat pipeto.token
#!/bin/rc
USER=rsc
KEY=9fans-choate
MAILTO=rsc@plan9.bell-labs.com
# set up standard environment
. /mail/lib/pipeto.lib $*
# check against filter patterns
filterstatus=`{tokenfilter $TMP.msg}
switch($filterstatus){
case !match
log dropped $RECIP From `{cat $D/replyto}
# spool /mail/box/$USER/_dropped
exit 0
case new
log bounced $RECIP From `{cat $D/replyto}
tokenreply
# spool /mail/box/$USER/_token
exit 0
case match token
if(~ $filterstatus token)
log added $RECIP From `{cat $D/replyto}
spool $MBOX
listupdate
case *
log unknown filter status $filterstatus
spool $MBOX
exit 'unknown filter status'
}
exit ''
g%
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> You could assume that all mails that have not classified as spam, are not
> spam. I could then simply define a `S' script and run it from acme to
> let you know which ones are spam.
i used to do something like that on lunix:
http://www.insultant.net/repo/dws.html
i _cannot_ use acme. it's just not for me.
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I've spent a few days here and there working on it,
and it's easy to get something half-decent but hard to
get something that's really quite good.
If you're interested in what I've done already, I just
packaged up all the pieces (I think) and put them in
/n/sources/extra/spam.tar.gz. See /n/sources/extra/spam.notes
for the list of files I included as well as a note about
how to use it that I wrote but never circulated.
I think my stuff is close -- the biggest wart is that
it uses Berkeley DB to store the frequency tables.
I think that might be necessary, but I'm not really sure.
Tokenization is hard. Msgcat does a reasonable job.
I've actually been using Mozilla Thunderbird to process
my mail mostly (though I'm typing this in nedmail).
The one feature it has that I really like is the
spam handling. It could be better in some ways,
but the spam interface is much better than what I built.
When mail comes in, it's automatically flagged as
spam or not. You can then correct its mistakes (if any)
by just clicking on lines in the message listing.
Then once you're happy you click "Delete Mail Marked as Junk"
and away they go. If acme and nedmail had a way
way to select disjoint sets of messages, I think
that would help a lot. I've found that although
Thunderbird's filtering is not as accurate as what
I built, the interface makes up for it.
Notice I said process, not read. I still read with
nedmail and Mail, at least when I'm in Plan 9, but
to do things like kill off the spam and manage lots
of different mail boxes, the external mail readers
seem like a big win. Sad but true.
Russ
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#!/bin/rc
# spamoff addr mbox
# set user to be you
user=boyd
mdir=/usr/$user/lib/mail # somewhere to put the below
allow=$mdir/allow # addr's you'll accept mail from
audit=$mdir/audit # audit trail
errors=$mdir/errors # error log
myname=`{basename $0}
{
echo $myname $*
cat /dev/user
echo
lc /env
pwd
ls -l
ls -l /tmp
echo
} > $audit
fn err {
echo $myname: $* > $errors
exit $"*
}
fn match {
addr=$1
awk -v 'addr='$addr '
BEGIN {
addr=tolower(addr) # 822 addresses are case insensitive
e = 1
}
tolower($0) == addr {
e=0
exit
}
END { exit e }
' $allow
}
fn bitch {
addr=$1
mbox=$2
if (match $addr) {
cat > $mbox
exit
}
code=`{echo $myname$user$pid | md5sum}
echo $code
# apart from the rc here document bug we probably don't have a /tmp
{
echo Either you''''re a spammer or I don''''t like you or I don''''t know you.
echo
echo Email me this rejected message with:
echo
echo ' '$code
echo
echo in the Subject: line and I''''ll decide if I''''ll add you to my list
echo of people I''''ll accept mail from.
} | cat /fd/0 > $audit
err rejected mail from $addr $code
}
#if (! test -w $errors -a -A $errors -a -L $errors) {
if (! test -w $errors -a -A $errors) {
exit $myname:' '$errors:' existance/mode/permission problem'
}
if (! test -r $allow) {
err $allow:' existance/permission problem'
}
switch ($#*) {
case 0
err no args
case 1
err args: $*
case 2
bitch $*
case *
err args: $*
}
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in light of recent forged To: & From:
the challenge/response method is going to generate twice as much traffic for such a mail.
As far as I can tell, without trying it, the example pipeto sends a copy of the message, virus payload and all to whoever the From: headers suggest, obviating the need to infect the plan9 host to spread itself.
You also run the risk of ending up sending to an infected host and throwing your email address into another steaming pot.
The next generation will snarf text from existing mails with the intention of defeating Bayes type filters.
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Markov chains are the next generation of spam filtering tools
(some of the GPLed tools already do this).
It involves keeping frequencies for token sequences rather than just
individual tokens. It makes the spammers job a lot harder, though
not impossible. The downside is the increase in filters database size
as the number of tokens increases exponentially with chain length.
It all comes down to making the filters model of written emails have more
parameters and being more accurate than the spammers until in the limit
the spam email looks like a valid one (IE. it contains usefull information :-)
-Steve
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in light of recent forged To: & From:
the challenge/response method is going to generate twice as much traffic fo=
r such a mail.
As far as I can tell, without trying it, the example pipeto sends a copy of=
the message, virus payload and all to whoever the From: headers suggest, o=
bviating the need to infect the plan9 host to spread itself.
You also run the risk of ending up sending to an infected host and throwing=
your email address into another steaming pot.
The next generation will snarf text from existing mails with the intention =
of defeating Bayes type filters.
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On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:
> i think awk should be able to exit with a string like everything
> else does/should with exits().
>
Taking the original example:
>brahma% awk 'END {exit "foo"}' /dev/null ; echo $status
>
>brahma% awk 'END {exit 1}' /dev/null ; echo $status
>awk 8186: 1
I would guess that awk *is* using exits() but first exit converts is arg
to a number (if necessary), presumably for compatability w/ unix awk,
then converts the num to a string which gets sent to exits().
Ugh.
--Joel
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> i think awk should be able to exit with a string like everything
> else does/should with exits().
it's ported from and maintained as a posix program; it calls exit.
regex wasn't kept compatible, though, so i suppose exit could
go too, but it seems not worth the trouble.
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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2003 13:41:09 EDT."
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That's right. Awk was brought in under the ape, and so doesn't really
do exits....
- Dan C.
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hi,
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> Anyone have a picture of them selves in utero?
With beard or without?
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So now I'm picturing glenda in the "star baby" scene from 2001.
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I wasn't content with binding because that meant potentially keeping two sets of .dict files in sync
So I've added an extra routine to facedb.c so that it looks in /usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x* before it looks in /lib/face
I'm not sure of the best way to post it so it's here :
http://www.proweb.co.uk/~matt/plan9/facedb.c
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> it's ported from and maintained as a posix program; it calls exit.
> regex wasn't kept compatible, though, so i suppose exit could
> go too, but it seems not worth the trouble.
i 'call bullshit on dat'.
this plan 9 and we have exits(2).
i'll fix it if someone will apply it to the source tree.
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> Anyone have a picture of them selves in utero?
no, but i do have some 12MHz scans from last week.
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what if we chuck smtp altogether?
no matter how you cut it, the problem originates with smtp and its
dependence on the kindness of strangers. That was all fine back in The
Good Old Days, but it really sucks now.
Could we set up a mail protocol that requires something like this:
import somewhere /mail /mail
then open files in there and write to them. Maybe just one file, called
'mailto' or some such.
The fact that you can import means that you have gotten inside a trust
boundary. You'll have a verifiable trace of who wrote what when.
If you're filtering messages after you get them, it's already too late --
they've wasted your disk space and your net bandwidth. The numbers for
ISPs are depressing, in that most of their net bandwidth is SPAM-width.
Obviously you've got to have hosts that span multiple trust boundaries.
Maybe that's too easy to get around. Also, this removes the ability of
someone you don't know to send you mail, but I'm about ready to give that
up, as most of the people I don't know who send me mail now want my bank
account numbers or want to send me a ruler.
But this business of spam filtering sounds like negotiations with burglars
after they are inside your living room and packing up your DVD collection.
Just wondering.
ron
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> But this business of spam filtering sounds like negotiations with burglars
> after they are inside your living room and packing up your DVD collection.
yup, shoot the fuckers ;) 9x19 124 grain FMJ.
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:
> > But this business of spam filtering sounds like negotiations with burglars
> > after they are inside your living room and packing up your DVD collection.
>
> yup, shoot the fuckers ;) 9x19 124 grain FMJ.
I was hoping somebody would mention that option, it's probably still legal
here in NM.
ron
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> what if we chuck smtp altogether?
i like SMTP. it's 822 that makes it a nightmare.
i'd chuck it, but ESMTP with challenge/response would be an easy hack.
but the real problem is that nobody wants to do security right.
been to a US airport lately?
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> I was hoping somebody would mention that option, it's probably still legal
> here in NM.
And Iraq.
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> I was hoping somebody would mention that option, it's probably still legal
> here in NM.
3 months, after they've done the rounds of the psych hospitals i'll be able
to buy another M9 [beretta 92FS]:
http://www.insultant.net/tools
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> And Iraq.
well i'd dump my M16-A2 and my M4 and get me an MP5-A[35].
and wear level III armor all the time.
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> So I've added an extra routine to facedb.c so that it looks in
>/usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x* before it looks in /lib/face
By the way, is there anyway to make some portion of the user's file
avoid from writing to venti, such those private or secret portrait
of someone. ☺ Of course, this should be set by that user, not
system administrator.
Kenji
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Matt's changes have been added to sources.
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Another way of achieving authentication for email is to implement and
use S/MIME or PGP. I'm not sure either that or "import ... /mail" solves
the computational cost of spam if the bad guys create invalid signatures,
but it does make a white-list filter more effective.
Any volunteers to implement S/MIME for Plan 9? A couple of us here at
Bell Labs have worked on it off and on, but there aren't enough free
hands here to get it done promptly. Step one is to implement CMS (also
known as PKCS#7 or rfc2315) starting from the ASN.1 goo in
/sys/src/libsec/port/x509.c or, if you prefer, by porting an ASN.1
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By the way, I've happily used PGP for many years but decided that S/MIME
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okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote:
>>So I've added an extra routine to facedb.c so that it looks in
>>/usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x* before it looks in /lib/face
>>
>>
>
>By the way, is there anyway to make some portion of the user's file
> avoid from writing to venti, such those private or secret portrait
>of someone. ☺ Of course, this should be set by that user, not
>system administrator.
>
>
Put them on a different file server and bind them into your name space
in your profile.
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>>By the way, is there anyway to make some portion of the user's file
>> avoid from writing to venti, such those private or secret portrait
>>of someone. ☺ Of course, this should be set by that user, not
>>system administrator.
>>
>>
>
> Put them on a different file server and bind them into your name space
> in your profile.
You could even write a script to download them from a web page and build your lib/face in a ramfs
You can also choose to get rid of the
a/ b/ c/ d/ ... z/ folders,
facesdb doesn't care about the directory names. It does a linear search through the .dict and then walks to $dir/$face
so in .dict
proweb.co.uk/matt 9fans/matt.1
works just fine
then you can
bind -bc /n/ftp/secret_faces/9fans /usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x8/9fans
and keep a secret matt.1 on your ftp place
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>>By the way, is there anyway to make some portion of the user's file
>> avoid from writing to venti, such those private or secret portrait
>>of someone. ☺ Of course, this should be set by that user, not
>>system administrator.
>>
>>
>
> Put them on a different file server and bind them into your name space
> in your profile.
You could even write a script to download them from a web page and build your lib/face in a ramfs
You can also choose to get rid of the
a/ b/ c/ d/ ... z/ folders,
facesdb doesn't care about the directory names. It does a linear search through the .dict and then walks to $dir/$face
so in .dict
proweb.co.uk/matt 9fans/matt.1
works just fine
then you can
bind -bc /n/ftp/secret_faces/9fans /usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x8/9fans
and keep a secret matt.1 on your ftp place
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> So I've added an extra routine to facedb.c so that it looks in
>/usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x* before it looks in /lib/face
isn't that what bind is for?
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we'ld need a deep bind or a hell of a lot of binds to personalize
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> So I've added an extra routine to facedb.c so that it looks in
>/usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x* before it looks in /lib/face
isn't that what bind is for?
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the bind is defeated by the .dict files
if you want to keep /lib/face in step with /n/sources/plan9/lib/face then once you have a replica of it you will have to rebuild your bound version of the .dict files
unless you know different?
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, David Presotto wrote:
> we'ld need a deep bind or a hell of a lot of binds to personalize
> the database. as soon as someone writes a deep bind, I'll get rid
> of this. perhaps someone has?
I use the attached monstrosity to bind the entire /sys/src/cmd/ tree in
$home/kern/cmd (some 300+ binds)..
this could be automated via du + test, but dealing with non-existing
directories in the bind-ee location is uncertain -- should they be
created?
and it still won't allow me to do a 'cd $home/kern/cmd; mk all' :)
andrey
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> what if we chuck smtp altogether?
>
> no matter how you cut it, the problem originates with smtp and its
> dependence on the kindness of strangers. That was all fine back in The
> Good Old Days, but it really sucks now.
I mentioned all of this to a well-known Internet apologist once, and
was laughed down. The response was, ``you're an idiot if you think
good technology will solve this problem.''
I see a problem with perception: people perceive SMTP and other
protocols as being good, so they look past their failings. To really
make a change, you have to demonstrate on a large scale why doing it
the right way (I mean, come on; not authenticating mail connections is
just stupid) is better.
- Dan C.
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> Another way of achieving authentication for email is to implement and
> use S/MIME or PGP. I'm not sure either that or "import ... /mail" solves
> the computational cost of spam if the bad guys create invalid signatures,
> but it does make a white-list filter more effective.
I see the two as complimentary. Just because you're securing the contents
of the wagon by wrapping them in a patrol of the King's men-at-arms doesn't
mean you shouldn't also endeavor to clear out the highway robbers.
> Any volunteers to implement S/MIME for Plan 9? A couple of us here at
> Bell Labs have worked on it off and on, but there aren't enough free
> hands here to get it done promptly. Step one is to implement CMS (also
> known as PKCS#7 or rfc2315) starting from the ASN.1 goo in
> /sys/src/libsec/port/x509.c or, if you prefer, by porting an ASN.1
> compiler.
Help! I'm melting!
> By the way, I've happily used PGP for many years but decided that S/MIME
> was more likely to catch on because it is already moderately well
> supported by default in Outlook and Netscape/Mozilla.
I thought there was an effort to merge OpenPGP and S/MIME in some way?
S/MIME requires a lot of scaffolding to use effectively; PGP has a much
lower startup cost. That said, I'm not a big fan of either. Most
people don't need that level of privacy (despite what they may think,
no one's out to get them and the FBI could care less about their D&D
campaign plans). For cutting down on spam, this seems like cutting
butter with a chainsaw. A much simpler method would be to just put an
X- header with some sort of agreed upon token into one's email. Is it
secure? Not really, no, but it'll defeat 99% of the wannabes, and
that's a lot of bang for the buck. Of course, either would be nice to
have for other reasons (everyone knows the government *really is* out
to get Boyd, for instance...).
A way to exchange tokens: instead of doing it via email, generate an
image for an unknown user, put it on a public web server somewhere, and
send them a URL. Once they get there, have them send back a
description of the image and then send them a token. This defeats
auto-harvesters that are smart enough to send you back a reply to our
``send this string back if you're not a spammer'' token. This will
work for a while until the spammers start to implement image
recognition software.
- Dan C.
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I've fixed a memory leak in the screen grabbing routing for my set of
XScreensaver ports and decided it's a good time to update the web
page. A mkfile was added long time ago and thanx to suggestions from
people on IRC it now puts the binaries in their own xscr/ directory.
If you're interested in graphics programming for Plan 9, or just would
like to waste some cpu cycles doing nothing, check out the
(graphics-heavy, because of all the screenshots) web page:
http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/xscr/
(screenshots now in .gif format :)
andrey
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David Presotto wrote:
>we'ld need a deep bind or a hell of a lot of binds to personalize
>the database. as soon as someone writes a deep bind, I'll get rid
>of this. perhaps someone has?
>
a deep bind doesn't solve this, really. i have my own face database
and i keep them in a directory "rsc/" so that i don't have to worry about
the deep bind. the problem is that there's one database per bit depth.
if you've got two different directory hierarchies, merging the databases
can't be done automatically with a bind.
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the need for multiple resolutions of faces disappeared with the last
gnot. the facebase should be collapsed into a single
resolution-independent hierarchy. the faces program can handle any
resolution; just put all the resolutions in one directory and use
.dict to choose which one to show.
as for personal versions, i see two solutions. one is to use binding,
which would be easier if the hierarchy were collapsed. the other is
to use a pair of .dict files and search the personal one first. in
the collapsed scheme, there is only one .dict file. faces could
easily be modified to take an argument specifying a .dict file to use
first, and fall to the official one if no match is found. finally,
all the names in .dict are relative. easy change: make it understand
absolute names, which would make personal .dict files easier to write.
-rob
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Here's the reason why I was playing with faces.
http://www.proweb.co.uk/~matt/plan9/usr/matt/bin/rc/face_from_pattern_match
I get plenty of mail from mailing lists and having the flag of origin doesn't provide many visual clues as to the content.
What this script does is grep the rawheaders for patterns in /usr/$USER/lib/face/auto_create_patterns and puts an entry in /usr/$USER/lib/face/48x48x1/.dict but with the face specified in the auto_create_patterns
by example :
auto_create_patterns contains (tab separated)
List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> lists/plan9.9fans.1
So when an email comes in with that List-Id if the sender isn't already in the existing .dict files the sender is added. i.e.
globemedia.net/clark.kent lists/plan9.9fans.1
The main flaw in it is if a new person posted to inferno@topica.com before 9fans then I'd have all their posts from then on marked as inferno posts
my idea is to regularly delete 48x48x1/*
I've been running it for half an hour
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forgot to mention that I invoke it from /mail/box/$USER/pipeto
/usr/matt/bin/rc/face_from_pattern_match
$BIN/deliver $RECIP $D/from $MBOX < $D/raw
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> forgot to mention that I invoke it from /mail/box/$USER/pipeto
eh?
s/USER/user/
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did you chmod +al /usr/$user/lib/face/48x48x1/.dict
man mail also says the pipeto is run as 'none'.
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> forgot to mention that I invoke it from /mail/box/$USER/pipeto
eh?
s/USER/user/
$USER is set in pipeto, it runs as none sp $user would be 'none'
that bit was snarfed
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> A way to exchange tokens: instead of doing it via email, generate an
> image for an unknown user, put it on a public web server somewhere, and
> send them a URL. Once they get there, have them send back a
> description of the image and then send them a token.
i like this idea but if you stick the token as an X-* (with every message)
field it's next to impossible (or i don't know how to do it) to get Outlook
and maybe other UAs to a) insert the token and b) insert it.
other problem is whether the token is on a per recipient basis. it just
can't be done with Outlook. however, if you give out a unique
token to people you like Outlook can then apply a rule if it's in the
body (say signature) of the message.
i know it's susceptible to 'man in the middle' attacks, but it sure would
kill a lotta spam. oh shit, it's also harvestable from mailing lists that
are archived.
in fact you can just mail people 'make sure this token is in your sig
or mail from you will be spam killed'. the 'image' in this case is
the content of the message sent to you.
you wanna try this out, dan?
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Russ and I wrote ovfs using lib9p for 3rd ed. but never updated it
for 4th ed. and the new lib9p. Dan Cross has a copy and may have
updated it to 4th ed. by now. I never got it working under heavy
load but I didn't fully understand the libthread model of threads
at the time and probably went overboard with locking (ovfs appeared
to deadlock itself under load).
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> $USER is set in pipeto, it runs as none sp $user would be 'none'
i don't see anywhere where you mentioned it should be.
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You're right of course. Merging the .dicts and the .machinelist is also not
solved by
binds. I forgot to get my brain our of neutral. Only has one gear anyways
and that
one is starting to slip. I realized my mistake driving up to Boston.
----- Original Message -----
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> David Presotto wrote:
>
> >we'ld need a deep bind or a hell of a lot of binds to personalize
> >the database. as soon as someone writes a deep bind, I'll get rid
> >of this. perhaps someone has?
> >
>
> a deep bind doesn't solve this, really. i have my own face database
> and i keep them in a directory "rsc/" so that i don't have to worry about
> the deep bind. the problem is that there's one database per bit depth.
> if you've got two different directory hierarchies, merging the databases
> can't be done automatically with a bind.
>
>
>
>
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What smime (and pgp) can achieve is digital signing so that spammers can't
masquerade
with From:'s of people in your white list.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Cross"
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> > Another way of achieving authentication for email is to implement and
> > use S/MIME or PGP. I'm not sure either that or "import ... /mail"
solves
> > the computational cost of spam if the bad guys create invalid
signatures,
> > but it does make a white-list filter more effective.
>
> I see the two as complimentary. Just because you're securing the contents
> of the wagon by wrapping them in a patrol of the King's men-at-arms
doesn't
> mean you shouldn't also endeavor to clear out the highway robbers.
>
> > Any volunteers to implement S/MIME for Plan 9? A couple of us here at
> > Bell Labs have worked on it off and on, but there aren't enough free
> > hands here to get it done promptly. Step one is to implement CMS (also
> > known as PKCS#7 or rfc2315) starting from the ASN.1 goo in
> > /sys/src/libsec/port/x509.c or, if you prefer, by porting an ASN.1
> > compiler.
>
> Help! I'm melting!
>
> > By the way, I've happily used PGP for many years but decided that S/MIME
> > was more likely to catch on because it is already moderately well
> > supported by default in Outlook and Netscape/Mozilla.
>
> I thought there was an effort to merge OpenPGP and S/MIME in some way?
> S/MIME requires a lot of scaffolding to use effectively; PGP has a much
> lower startup cost. That said, I'm not a big fan of either. Most
> people don't need that level of privacy (despite what they may think,
> no one's out to get them and the FBI could care less about their D&D
> campaign plans). For cutting down on spam, this seems like cutting
> butter with a chainsaw. A much simpler method would be to just put an
> X- header with some sort of agreed upon token into one's email. Is it
> secure? Not really, no, but it'll defeat 99% of the wannabes, and
> that's a lot of bang for the buck. Of course, either would be nice to
> have for other reasons (everyone knows the government *really is* out
> to get Boyd, for instance...).
>
> A way to exchange tokens: instead of doing it via email, generate an
> image for an unknown user, put it on a public web server somewhere, and
> send them a URL. Once they get there, have them send back a
> description of the image and then send them a token. This defeats
> auto-harvesters that are smart enough to send you back a reply to our
> ``send this string back if you're not a spammer'' token. This will
> work for a while until the spammers start to implement image
> recognition software.
>
> - Dan C.
>
>
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On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, david presotto wrote:
> What smime (and pgp) can achieve is digital signing so that spammers
> can't masquerade with From:'s of people in your white list.
yeah but ... I don't even want the data coming into my machine. Is that
covered too? I really want to get these spammers rejected instantly, which
is why i liked the file system idea.
ron
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> That's right. Awk was brought in under the ape, and so doesn't really
> do exits....
bugger it, i'm porting it away from ape.
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Dave writes:
> What smime (and pgp) can achieve is digital signing so that spammers
> can't masquerade with From:'s of people in your white list.
So does having an X-header that has a token in it. One easy way around
the harvesting-from-a-mailing-list-archive thing is doing something
S/Key-ish: The first time you send an email to someone, send the token
sha'ed 100,000 times. The next time, send it sha'ed 99,999 times,
etc. Both sides keep track of the token and the current sequence
number. Or, and even simpler, take the token and sha it with the
contents of the message. The token itself doesn't show up in any
archives anywhere, and the scheme is immune to problems with bounces
getting sequence numbers out of whack, and you get some modicum of
integrity checking on the message itself. A way around the client
problem is to build it into the MTA (but the MTA's on both sides have
to support it).
Ron writes:
> yeah but ... I don't even want the data coming into my machine. Is that
> covered too? I really want to get these spammers rejected instantly, which
> is why i liked the file system idea.
I think we've lost that battle. Some knocking at the castle gates
is always going to happen now days. :-(
- Dan C.
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> Russ and I wrote ovfs using lib9p for 3rd ed. but never updated it
> for 4th ed. and the new lib9p. Dan Cross has a copy and may have
> updated it to 4th ed. by now.
If we use another file system for no archiving, as the other file svstem
I'm using, it's neccessary to make it everyone writable. If not, we have
so many isolated files or directories in that 'other' file system. On the other
hand, if we have some mechanism to make a file or directory avoid archiving,
it's very easy to maintain that tree by individual users.
The ovfs is for such purpose?
Kenji
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Knocking at the gate is one thing, crashing through with a bus full of
aggressive salesmen in loud checks and plaids is another. A scheme
that seems to be closer to what Ron wants would be to have the sending
system contact the receiving system and announce that user so-and-so
has a message of this size with this message-id that he wants to send
to user thus-and-such on the receiving system; possibly there's some
form of authentication that it really is so-and-so sending it. If
thus-and-such's white-list permits it (presumably based on the sending
user), the message is let through; if his black-list denies it, the
message is refused, and if neither list mentions the sender, the
sending system is told `we'll get back to you', the message is not
accepted, and the receiving system appends a brief notification to
thus-and-such's gray-list. Periodically, maybe once a day,
thus-and-such scans his gray-list and if he sees a message that he
wants to look at it, he fetches it by message-id from the sending
system, incurring the band-width expenditure then.
This could almost be cobbled together today using SMTP and POP3 or
(god help us) IMAP4. The major change would be to have the sending
system hang on to unsent (gray-listed) messages for some period so
that they may be retrieved. I suppose that could almost be
accomplished by having smtpd return the cabbalistic SMTP return code
meaning `try again later'.
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ovfs was originally meant to allow overlaying of the contents of one
file server's main file system onto another one, but I can see plenty
of other uses for it.
I and everybody I've talked to about this says `Yeah, when I first
heard about Plan 9's binds, I assumed that they were recursive', thus
letting a user customise the system easily and extensively with
something like
bind -b /usr/$user /
Maybe we're all dolts, but I think that something about the way binds
are explained sets people's expectations to be at odds with the
reality of bind's implementation. Or maybe we just extrapolate what
appears to be an obvious extension (though of course it isn't, given
the implementation).
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> You're right of course. Merging the .dicts and the .machinelist is also
> not solved by binds. I forgot to get my brain our of neutral. Only has
> one gear anyways and that one is starting to slip. I realized my mistake
> driving up to Boston.
Is there a reason one can't get rid of the .dict files entirely? Why
not name the image files after the email address? Now that we have
long file names, there shouldn't be an issue with file name size. I
suppose the only real two issues would be matching domainnames (e.g.,
user@foo1.bar.com, user@foo2.bar.com, user@foo3.bar.com are probably
all the same person and should use the same picture, etc), and it might
be convenient to have the same picture for multiple mailboxes at
different domains (e.g., presotto@bell-labs.com and
presotto@closedmind.org are the same person). I can't think of a
particularly good solution to that without some sort of index. Perhaps
making filenames regular expressions or something (I don't like that,
it does away with a simple walk and turns it into a linear scan of a
big directory).
- Dan C.
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> I and everybody I've talked to about this says `Yeah, when I first
> heard about Plan 9's binds, I assumed that they were recursive', thus
> letting a user customise the system easily and extensively with
> something like
>
> bind -b /usr/$user /
I don't want all my personal mails are archived to venti, and something
other must be in the same situation. Everybody has his/her peronal
matters in his/her home directory, and operating system should allow
this, I think.
Kenji
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I've found it valuable to have mail archived. If your mail is that
sensitive, perhaps you should be using PGP for it (and anything else
private).
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> I've found it valuable to have mail archived. If your mail is that
> sensitive, perhaps you should be using PGP for it (and anything else
> private).
No, I don't think so.
We could be able to select to archive or not by ourselves.
I know we can do it by making /usr/okamoto hieralchie
on other file system, and bind it if neccessary. However,
It looks not so beautiful solution to me.
Kenji
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On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 06:50:34PM -0700, Geoff Collyer wrote:
> Knocking at the gate is one thing, crashing through with a bus full of
> aggressive salesmen in loud checks and plaids is another. A scheme
> that seems to be closer to what Ron wants would be to have the sending
> system contact the receiving system and announce that user so-and-so
I wonder if a combined approach would work. Once the
receiving system gets MAIL FROM and RCPT TO from the
sending system, it checks the 'to' user's white list and,
if the sender address isn't on it, it refuses the message
(maybe delaying somewhat in doing so, i.e. tarpitting)
with a 'wait till later' error code and sticks the from
address in a grey list. It then constructs a challenge
message which is sent to the sender and asks a question
that no current computer program can answer. When that
question is answered correctly (either by e-mail to a
secondary address, i.e. user+auth-@domain.com,
or by filling out an HTML form or whatever), the address
is put in the user's white-list automatically and further
mail is let through.
Some difficulty comes when a user whose mail server
implements this policy tries to contact another user with
a similar anti-spam system. The best way to handle this
is to whitelist every address the user sends mail to,
however, that may be troublesome to implement in certain
situations. Perhaps it would be acceptable to give a
unique identifier to every challenge that goes out and
make it be from user+auth-@domain.com. Then mail
that comes to that kind of address is checked to see if
the id matches that of a challenge sent to the from
address. Then we know that this message is either an
answer to the challenge, or another challenge. These
could be differentiated by placing an X-Challenge header
on every challenge message. Right and wrong answers
would be handled directly, and messages claiming to be
a challenge could be placed in a holding area that the
user would check periodically.
The point of this is that no modification is needed either
to the protocol or the user agent. Everything is done
on the recipient's mail server. Even if spam did get
through (i.e. the challenges aren't good enough, or the
spam is masquerading as a challenge), you know that the
sending address is a valid, reachable address. This is
certainly a win over the current system.
There are probably big problems with this, as I haven't
applied more than a few minutes of thought to it. But
it struck me as I was reading Geoff's message.
Micah
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I'ld rather not have to keep a secret and a counter for everyone I want to
exchange mail with.
Messages get lost and reordered so at the very least I need to accept some
range of possible
sha1ings. I also want to accept mail from people I haven't talked to before
but have proved
to someone else that they aren't spammers. I'm happier with the /mail idea
than this one.
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [9fans] re: spam filtering fs
> Dave writes:
> > What smime (and pgp) can achieve is digital signing so that spammers
> > can't masquerade with From:'s of people in your white list.
>
> So does having an X-header that has a token in it. One easy way around
> the harvesting-from-a-mailing-list-archive thing is doing something
> S/Key-ish: The first time you send an email to someone, send the token
> sha'ed 100,000 times. The next time, send it sha'ed 99,999 times,
> etc. Both sides keep track of the token and the current sequence
> number. Or, and even simpler, take the token and sha it with the
> contents of the message. The token itself doesn't show up in any
> archives anywhere, and the scheme is immune to problems with bounces
> getting sequence numbers out of whack, and you get some modicum of
> integrity checking on the message itself. A way around the client
> problem is to build it into the MTA (but the MTA's on both sides have
> to support it).
>
> Ron writes:
> > yeah but ... I don't even want the data coming into my machine. Is that
> > covered too? I really want to get these spammers rejected instantly,
which
> > is why i liked the file system idea.
>
> I think we've lost that battle. Some knocking at the castle gates
> is always going to happen now days. :-(
>
> - Dan C.
>
>
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> be convenient to have the same picture for multiple mailboxes at
> different domains (e.g., presotto@bell-labs.com and
Now that we have venti, we can store the same image 10k times in
the file system and be sure that the file would be stored just once.
So this is not a problem. I think I like the idea of a
/lib/face/domain/^(unknown usr1 usr2 ...)
hierarchy; just tired of merging .dicts.
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> A way to exchange tokens: instead of doing it via email, generate an
> image for an unknown user, put it on a public web server somewhere, and
> send them a URL. Once they get there, have them send back a
> description of the image and then send them a token. This defeats
But I would send/reply then almost no mail; unless I fell it's worth
the burden of running your procedure, which is not too often in my
case ☺.
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On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:56:05AM -0400, Eric Grosse wrote:
>
> Any volunteers to implement S/MIME for Plan 9? A couple of us here at
> Bell Labs have worked on it off and on, but there aren't enough free
> hands here to get it done promptly. Step one is to implement CMS (also
> known as PKCS#7 or rfc2315) starting from the ASN.1 goo in
> /sys/src/libsec/port/x509.c or, if you prefer, by porting an ASN.1
> compiler.
>
No guarantee, but I'm game. I'm neither afraid of ASN.1 nor a fan of
reinventing the wheel. Anyone else volunteering?
> By the way, I've happily used PGP for many years but decided that S/MIME
> was more likely to catch on because it is already moderately well
> supported by default in Outlook and Netscape/Mozilla.
>
PGP and S/MIME address different audiences. What is needed is a
lightweight CA that merely certifies an e-mail address (like the
PGP public key servers if they were restricted to e-mail addresses
on a first-come, first-served basis) so that users are encouraged,
not frightened off getting a certificate. And some form of recourse
in the event of someone stealing the e-mail address, and that's the
hard part, sadly.
++L
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> not frightened off getting a certificate. And some form of recourse
> in the event of someone stealing the e-mail address, and that's the
> hard part, sadly.
Not just the sad, but also the common part. Most of the spam I get
seems to use addresses from someone else.
I'm afraid that certifying the from address would not work.
I hope bayes is right.
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contains changes to dict to support the Project Gutenberg Webster dictionary
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Subject: Re: [9fans] is there any good reason why awk does this?
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boyd, rounin wrote:
> bugger it, i'm porting it away from ape.
But there is still a specification for awk to which
I urge you to conform. awk runs on a multitude of
platforms and it would be nice if awk programs were
portable.
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On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 10:24:54AM +0200, Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote:
>
> > not frightened off getting a certificate. And some form of recourse
> > in the event of someone stealing the e-mail address, and that's the
> > hard part, sadly.
>
> Not just the sad, but also the common part. Most of the spam I get
> seems to use addresses from someone else.
>
> I'm afraid that certifying the from address would not work.
> I hope bayes is right.
This is the scenario I think would work:
My mail exchanger accepts mail that is "certified" and for which it
has the certificate public key. Certified mail contains either a
signature in the body as with PGP or a header of some description,
encrypted with the sender's private key so it can be decrypted and
validated. A preferable form of encryption would be at the SMTP
protocol level, but this is a different model.
The message may convey the public key in the headers as suggested by
the Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) RFCs, but then there has to be a CA in
the certificate hierarchy that validates the trust.
If trust cannot be validated, I suggest that a group of public
certificate servers, probably including the existing PGP public key
servers, should be queried for the certificate/public key. If the
certification cannot be established in this fashion, then the
difficult procedure comes into action.
Here we expect the exchanger to submit a request to a preferred public
certificate server that causes the sender to be polled. If the sender
replies with a valid certificate (or public key), it is stored in the
public server and forwarded to the exchanger, if not, then within some
time limit the exchanger is notified.
I hope I didn't abbreviate the above beyond usefulness, I'll be happy
to expand if I haven't been clear in any way. And I will of course be
interested in flaws as well as improvements.
++L
PS: At the SMTP level, I would suggest an exchange between servers
that has contractual value. In other words, the sending exchanger
ought to accept legal liability for mail it insists in forwarding.
Legislation to this effect would have to be enacted, naturally.
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> > bugger it, i'm porting it away from ape.
> But there is still a specification for awk to which
> I urge you to conform.
awk?
nawk?
gawk?
mawk?
bawk?
squawk?
Frobbing exit[s] (and making it grok UTF-8?) are not evil designs on life,
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> My mail exchanger accepts mail that is "certified" and for which it
> has the certificate public key. Certified mail contains either a
> signature in the body as with PGP or a header of some description,
> encrypted with the sender's private key so it can be decrypted and
> validated. A preferable form of encryption would be at the SMTP
> protocol level, but this is a different model.
SMTP AUTH cannot (reasonably) solve this problem. What SMTP AUTH is
intended to address is the problem where a road warrior's laptop needs to
inject mail via a home-agent MTA. It can only authenticate the laptop to
the home MTA. It cannot authenticate the originator of the mail coming
from the laptop. (PGP and S/MIME try to solve that problem.)
Open SMTP relays fall into two categories:
1) those operated by people who haven't a clue, or
2) those operated by people who need to allow remote relay but are too
stupid (or cheap) to acquire MUA software that supports SMTP AUTH
for just this purpose.
If people would use SMTP AUTH to solve problem #2, problem #0 (the need
for PGP or S/MIME signatures to bypass filters) would mostly just go away.
--lyndon
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> No guarantee, but I'm game. I'm neither afraid of ASN.1 nor a fan of
> reinventing the wheel. Anyone else volunteering?
last time i was at the labs ['98] presotto was playing with it.
S/MIME is probably a better choice if we are determined on overkill.
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> awk runs on a multitude of platforms and it would be nice if
> awk programs were portable.
that's always been the plan.
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> Frobbing exit[s] (and making it grok UTF-8?) are not evil designs on life,
> the universe, and everything.
it will behave just like it does now on plan 9 except you can go:
exit "foo"
now testing it is probably going to be a bugger.
i did find this bug:
/dev/std* were being used instead of /fd/*
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the PKI is shot full of holes.
hacking [E]SMTP is probably a bad idea and only solves
the problem for the hacked implementations.
i still go for token in the sig. it's simple and raises the bar -- that's
what security is about.
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yes, some of that post was a bit sloppy.
it's no excuse but it was hack on top of a hack, I'm sure if you were interested in it, figuringit out wouldn't be too hard.
Thanks for the tip on 'none' I hadn't spotted that. The .dict file was empty initially and 'none' had been allowed to create it.
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> $USER is set in pipeto, it runs as none sp $user would be 'none'
i don't see anywhere where you mentioned it should be.
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> yeah but ... I don't even want the data coming into my machine. Is that
> covered too? I really want to get these spammers rejected instantly, which
> is why i liked the file system idea.
vix had already done it years ago with EBGP, but the problem is that
spam sites pop up without end. target 'em and then blow 'em away
i say, which means you have to accept the message and any solution
must be 'fail safe'; no message should be chucked because some 3rd
party thing is bust and you can't get to/at it.
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> This could almost be cobbled together today using SMTP and POP3 or
> (god help us) IMAP4.
in a previous life i argued (bitterly) for a while about the futility of
adding an email interface to a system. i have spent far too many
hours/days/weeks/years? with 822 and SMTP and the problem
is less than trivial.
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> There are probably big problems with this, ... But
> it struck me as I was reading Geoff's message.
yes, there are.
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I think you're wrong. The only occurrence of /dev/std* in the source
is in a table that makes them work in awk programs. That is,
awk 'BEGIN {print "hello world" >"/dev/stderr" }'
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> Frobbing exit[s] (and making it grok UTF-8?) are not evil designs on life,
> the universe, and everything.
it will behave just like it does now on plan 9 except you can go:
exit "foo"
now testing it is probably going to be a bugger.
i did find this bug:
/dev/std* were being used instead of /fd/*
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If it is our network bandwidth that we consider to be valuable then perhaps a strategy of assigning variable bandwidth to remote connections dependent on certain tokens could be an option.
Bandwidth assigned by a weighting from combinations of remote machine / envelope sender / E?HELO field could mean welcome email is accepted quickly whereas unusual mail is given less resources.
If you refused connections from any IP in .ru that didn't have a known envelope sender during peak hours then you could be smoothing your demand.
I am thinking that in such a scheme all mail will be delivered eventually.
I haven't studied the subject but I suppose that monitoring the connections to your mailserver should be revealing with regard to the weighting system. A sudden rush of email from a remote IP can be reacted to progressively throttling the bandwidth available to that IP.
This has little bearing on your mbox management I suppose, except such information can be passed through in extra headers.
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boyd wrote:
> it will behave just like it does now on plan 9 except you can go:
>
> exit "foo"
What will it do for
exit foo
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> If it is our network bandwidth that we consider to be valuable ...
... then we wouldn't be reading 9fans.
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From: ron minnich
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On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Lucio De Re wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 09:56:05AM -0400, Eric Grosse wrote:
> >
> > Any volunteers to implement S/MIME for Plan 9? A couple of us here at
> > Bell Labs have worked on it off and on, but there aren't enough free
> > hands here to get it done promptly. Step one is to implement CMS (also
> > known as PKCS#7 or rfc2315) starting from the ASN.1 goo in
> > /sys/src/libsec/port/x509.c or, if you prefer, by porting an ASN.1
> > compiler.
> >
> No guarantee, but I'm game. I'm neither afraid of ASN.1 nor a fan of
> reinventing the wheel. Anyone else volunteering?
the file system still looks easier to me than all this stuff.
ron
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> > If it is our network bandwidth that we consider to be valuable ...
>
> ... then we wouldn't be reading 9fans.
9fans is low bandwidth compared to some of the ridiculously over-used
Unix lists.
- Dan C.
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Is it possible to share a plan 9 disk via samba ?
--Rob
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We have a whole bunch of people here who each started writing an ASN.1
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the 4 feet worth of documentation, started writing YACC scripts,
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> No guarantee, but I'm game. I'm neither afraid of ASN.1 nor a fan of
> reinventing the wheel. Anyone else volunteering?
last time i was at the labs ['98] presotto was playing with it.
S/MIME is probably a better choice if we are determined on overkill.
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> What will it do for
>
> exit foo
smash it into a string.
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> I think you're wrong. The only occurrence of /dev/std* in the source
> is in a table that makes them work in awk programs. That is,
>
> awk 'BEGIN {print "hello world" >"/dev/stderr" }'
noted.
> works because of that table. It's not a bug.
maybe.
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> and then said ``they can't possibly mean that, this is too much work,
> I think I'll so something easy instead.''
oh yes they did. i saw the culprit give an X.[45]00 course and ASN.1
was part of it. i should have retired to the bar.
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> awk 'BEGIN {print "hello world" >"/dev/stderr" }'
you're right. i've un-broken it.
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> Is it possible to share a plan 9 disk via samba ?
Is this what you want?
http://www.cotswold.demon.co.uk/dist/aquarela/
Aquarela is a CIFS server for Plan 9. The aim is to provide
access to Plan 9 files rather than an NT server clone.
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I ran a snap -a on my fileserver before leaving on a
trip, hoping it would be done when I returned. Now
that I have returned, I do not see a fingerprint in
the logs, nor are the disks still spinning. That makes
me think that it didn't complete. Also, I cannot
connect to the fileserver.
If I reboot, will I lose all the data in the fossil
write cache and/or the venti snapshot?
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no, fossil is very good at suffering reboots (assuming something has gotten to fossil, but otherwise you wouldn't have a running system, right!?)
try mounting fossil's snapshot and archive again and see if they're alive and well, try connecting to the console (con -l /srv/fscons, if you've followed the wiki instructions closely) -- the vac score may be buffered there still. 9fs dump doesn't show you anything?
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I ran a snap -a on my fileserver before leaving on a
trip, hoping it would be done when I returned. Now
that I have returned, I do not see a fingerprint in
the logs, nor are the disks still spinning. That makes
me think that it didn't complete. Also, I cannot
connect to the fileserver.
If I reboot, will I lose all the data in the fossil
write cache and/or the venti snapshot?
--
Christopher Nielsen
"They who can give up essential liberty for temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin
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On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 02:25:27PM +0200, boyd, rounin wrote:
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> the PKI is shot full of holes.
>
References, please. I'm sure you're right, but I can't just quote
you :-)
> hacking [E]SMTP is probably a bad idea and only solves
> the problem for the hacked implementations.
>
Might be a good springboard for factotum to get some prime time.
> i still go for token in the sig. it's simple and raises the bar -- that's
> what security is about.
PGP, then? Accessing the public key servers is still a requirement,
although that's not hard to implement.
Russ should have a partial port of PGP that we'll need.
++L
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On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 03:54:03PM -0400, David Presotto wrote:
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> We have a whole bunch of people here who each started writing an ASN.1
> compiler (or stub generator or whatever you call it), gathered up
> the 4 feet worth of documentation, started writing YACC scripts,
> and then said ``they can't possibly mean that, this is too much work,
> I think I'll so something easy instead.''
Any leftovers that I may be able to use? ASN.1 (well, BER, anyway)
looks like a one-off solution to a large number of problems in my
unsophisticated view. It is overspecified, but that's ITU-T for
you: specifications with no (easily identified) legal loopholes.
All ASN.1 compilers I have ever heard mentioned are proprietary
tools, having a Plan 9 "open source" version would be real asset.
Not that I'm an authority on this, I seem to be working very much
in a vacuum every time I consider any ITU-T offering.
++L
PS: To be perfectly honest, I think Inferno/Limbo would be even more
useful to develop mail processing tools and I wonder if forsyth and
friends shouldn't be closely involved. Then we have stuff that will
run on Windows, where it is much more necessary.
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ISODE. bloatware, but does have YACC based core behaviour. Used to work on it.
Marshall Rose code. (lots of lazy eval embedded side-effects in if/then/else
logic) but the core of the code is pretty small. his ASN.1 stuff does encode to
string, or file descriptor, or parse-struct.
I doubt if you'd need the recent code, for a core ASN.1 parser.
there are also heaps of stripped-down codebases for SNMP.
INRIA did a free parser which was pretty small. Christian Huitema (now with
Microsoft research) would know about it.
-george
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> ISODE. bloatware, but does have YACC based core behaviour. Used to work on it.
>
Hm. I thought ISODE was semi-proprietary? The NetBSD group had
some comments on it, but it was a long time ago. I'll have to do
some digging.
++L
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:10:39 +0200 Lucio De Re wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2003 at 04:15:52PM +1000, George Michaelson wrote:
> >
> > ISODE. bloatware, but does have YACC based core behaviour. Used to work on
> > it.
> >
> Hm. I thought ISODE was semi-proprietary? The NetBSD group had
> some comments on it, but it was a long time ago. I'll have to do
> some digging.
>
> ++L
Well post '86/7 sometime yes, a form of ISODE went semi-proprietary, but all
code up to that time was fully in the open eye, and it had ASN.1 for sure. the
newer'packed encoding' stuff, I don't know how well it does that. but the basic
B.E.R. should be fine.
I think there would be ISODE code out there post 1990 which was safe too in
fact.
(it had your basic hold-harmless clause on it, from memory)
-George
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From: rgr@sdf.lonestar.org (Rob Ristroph)
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>>>>> "YAMANASHI" == YAMANASHI Takeshi writes:
YAMANASHI>
>> Is it possible to share a plan 9 disk via samba ?
YAMANASHI> Is this what you want?
YAMANASHI>
YAMANASHI> http://www.cotswold.demon.co.uk/dist/aquarela/
YAMANASHI>
YAMANASHI> Aquarela is a CIFS server for Plan 9. The aim is to provide
YAMANASHI> access to Plan 9 files rather than an NT server clone.
Yes, I think this is what I am looking for, thanks very much.
--Rob
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I don't think you will loose any data; anyway, is the console
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I ran a snap -a on my fileserver before leaving on a
trip, hoping it would be done when I returned. Now
that I have returned, I do not see a fingerprint in
the logs, nor are the disks still spinning. That makes
me think that it didn't complete. Also, I cannot
connect to the fileserver.
If I reboot, will I lose all the data in the fossil
write cache and/or the venti snapshot?
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Hi,
I finially built a web page:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/savan/plan9/
On which I put the ncpfs Netware client release. I am using
this every day and it has been completely reliable and fairly
efficent; I even wrote a manual page.
There are also a few scripts, toy programs, and a sam refcard I cobbled
together from the sam documentation and messages on the sam-fans
mail list.
-Steve
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On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, Lucio De Re wrote:
> Hm. I thought ISODE was semi-proprietary? The NetBSD group had
> some comments on it, but it was a long time ago. I'll have to do
> some digging.
no, I used to cut magtapes for that project (a nice cash cow for UDEL
while it lasted). I also dealt with the code, ack, ack, arg.
Leaves a lingering distaste in me to this day.
But my memory was northrop worked out a kind of open source license but
they didn't want to get sued, so it had some odd clauses.
ron
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is it worth worrying about the tiny window of opportunity for a mail to arrive while I have no mailbox?
cd /mail/box/$user/
datum = `{cat /dev/time | awk ' { print $1}'}
mv mbox mbox.$datum
# a mail could arrive now
upas/nedmail -c
chmod -al mbox.$datum
And : is the strategy for people running dump any different?
Matt
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yes. what exactly are you trying to do, i.e., why rotate your mailbox.
You'ld be better off with a pipeto that just sticks your mail into a
mailbox of the correct date in the first place. Or you could just run
upas/fs and copy the raw files out into a mailbox and then remove them.
Something like:
upas/fs
cd /mail/fs/mbox
x=`{echo *}
> /whatever/mbox.$datum
for(i in $x){
{ cat $i/unixheader; cat $i/raw; echo }>>/whatever/mbox.$datum
echo delete $i > /mail/fs/ctl
}
Then at least you're safe, so to speak.
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is it worth worrying about the tiny window of opportunity for a mail to arrive while I have no mailbox?
cd /mail/box/$user/
datum = `{cat /dev/time | awk ' { print $1}'}
mv mbox mbox.$datum
# a mail could arrive now
upas/nedmail -c
chmod -al mbox.$datum
And : is the strategy for people running dump any different?
Matt
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>what exactly are you trying to do, i.e., why rotate your mailbox.
I'm just looking to keep upas/fs & faces speedy
copy & delete looks the superior method, thanks
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