From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 02:49:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 02:49:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22384 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 02:49:45 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22380 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 02:49:44 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 02:49:44 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8DE7019C95; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A4A819C9D; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:49:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1FC9619C9B; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BEC519C99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQSPb-000Jya-NR for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:18:59 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] using plan 9 libraries on unix In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 29 Nov 2003 20:48:09 EST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <76790.1070201938.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:18:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > How does one the use Plan 9 libraries under Linux > after installation in /usr/local/Plan9? I'm assuming you built and installed them (see /usr/local/plan9/NOTES). In your environment set PLAN9=/usr/local/plan9 export PLAN9 PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/plan9/bin export PATH Then you'll have 9c, 9a, 9l, and 9ar that are shell scripts around the system tools to make them behave mostly like the Plan 9 tools. So cat >x.c < #include void main(void) { print("hello, world\n"); } EOF 9c x.c 9l x.o ./a.out You can use mkfiles too, with minimal changes. Instead of is an empty file, but (really ) does not play nicely with the other headers. It #defines a few things to make the compilation world look like Plan 9. If you want to include other system headers, you're likely to have to #define NOPLAN9DEFINES #include #include #include and then put p9 at the beginning of calls to the various renamed functions (e.g., p9wait, p9dup, p9open). I am not happy with this, but there's no easy way around it. At some point I might shift things around so you can say #include #include #include The problem with doing that now is that libc.h defines things like _POSIX_SOURCE and _BSD_SOURCE, which cause headers like to behave differently. If the other headers have already included then when libc.h includes it, it will be a no-op and not set things up as expected. If I move all the _POSIX_SOURCE and such into then the above example would work. In general I don't mix these in the same file (except in the implementation of lib9) so it's not an issue. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 02:58:59 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 02:58:59 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22740 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 02:58:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22721 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 02:58:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 02:58:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4C46719CA3; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8571219C9F; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:58:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8C8C519C9A; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9C6319B0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQSYL-000K2z-Gj for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:28:01 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] restoring p9 boot blocks In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:23:00 EST." <200311300023.hAU0N06B006463@math.Princeton.EDU> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <77063.1070202480.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:28:00 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Unfortunately it's an extended partition, so disk/fdisk won't > set it as active. I believe that's a limitation of the pc > architecture rather than of fdisk itself. This is, in fact, > the main problem with installing FreeBSD on an extended > partition. plan9 is supposed to be happy on an extended > partition, or rather I know I've done it in the past without > incident. > > > > try setting the 'bootable' flag on the 9fat partition in disk/prep... > > > > i remember this solving my problem several times in both plan9 and freesbd > :) if it were a primary partition you'd use disk/format -b /386/pbslba /dev/sdC0/9fat however, as an extended partition i'm not sure you can actually boot from it. which boot loader were you using before? i'm not sure i know of any that will boot extended partitions. disk/mbr -m /386/mbr /dev/sdC0/data will install a new mbr, as andrey said, but that shouldn't be necessary -- the windows one is typically fine. how were you selecting between windows and plan 9? the windows boot menu perhaps? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 05:59:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 05:59:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29043 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 05:59:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29039 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 05:59:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 05:59:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9ED6219A08; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33CB219B86; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:59:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 119ED19AE4; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C29719A99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hAUKwVHx023060 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:58:31 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hAUKwV6B005668 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:58:31 -0500 Message-Id: <200311302058.hAUKwV6B005668@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] restoring p9 boot blocks In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "Russ Cox" message dated "Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:28:00 -0500." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:58:31 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I was using GAG, which is functionally similar to LILO but less hideous. It just loads the boot sector of the selected partition into memory and jumps. Yesterday I tried disk/format -b /386/pbslba -d -r 2 /dev/sdC0/9fat \ /386/9load /386/9pcdisk /386/9paddington 9paddington was a 9pcauth variant I was playing with. This more or less worked. I neglected to include plan9.ini, so I had to recontruct that from memory and the man page. 9load can't find 9paddington. I assume this is the usual 8+3 nonsense. It doesn't matter much as (a) 9load can still find it as sdC0!fs!/386/9paddington and (b) it doesn't work properly so I am using 9pcdisk anyway. The current status is that I have a working boot loader chain again, so there is no need to bother anyone further. Thanks to all who sent suggestions, either by mail or on 9fans. I'm still not sure how I blew away the boot blocks in the first place. Once I figure that out, presumably by repeating the same error, I will warn others here. > > Unfortunately it's an extended partition, so disk/fdisk won't > > set it as active. I believe that's a limitation of the pc > > architecture rather than of fdisk itself. This is, in fact, > > the main problem with installing FreeBSD on an extended > > partition. plan9 is supposed to be happy on an extended > > partition, or rather I know I've done it in the past without > > incident. > > > > > > > try setting the 'bootable' flag on the 9fat partition in disk/prep... > > > > > > i remember this solving my problem several times in both plan9 and freesb d > > :) > > if it were a primary partition you'd use > > disk/format -b /386/pbslba /dev/sdC0/9fat > > however, as an extended partition i'm not sure > you can actually boot from it. which boot loader > were you using before? i'm not sure i know of any > that will boot extended partitions. > > disk/mbr -m /386/mbr /dev/sdC0/data > > will install a new mbr, as andrey said, but that > shouldn't be necessary -- the windows one is > typically fine. > > how were you selecting between windows and plan 9? > the windows boot menu perhaps? > > -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 10:28:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 10:28:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9018 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 10:28:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9014 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 10:28:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 10:28:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ED1BE19ADF; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 578E119BA8; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:28:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 30BB119B30; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3E5419A8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:27:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:28:20 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) For a notebook or Plan 9 at home, is it possible to use fossil without venbti instead of kfs? I can't find any good reason to use venti for those purposes. Is there any? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 10:39:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 10:39:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9598 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 10:39:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9594 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 10:39:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 10:39:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DBA0019AC4; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 59DBB19BCE; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:39:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 79E6219B44; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:38:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED7FA19AC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQd1K-000Ofr-P1 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:38:38 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:28:20 +0900." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <94797.1070242717.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:38:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > For a notebook or Plan 9 at home, is it possible to use fossil > without venbti instead of kfs? > I can't find any good reason to use venti for those purposes. > Is there any? the dump takes up much less space if you store it on venti. using venti also makes backup easier. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 10:50:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 10:50:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10521 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 10:50:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10513 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 10:50:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 10:50:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 259E419B55; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:50:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9314119BD8; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 149B619BCE; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE52B19B66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:48:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ba564280bd726d2271b9d2b264d17d0@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:50:13 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> For a notebook or Plan 9 at home, is it possible to use fossil >> without venbti instead of kfs? >> I can't find any good reason to use venti for those purposes. >> Is there any? > > the dump takes up much less space if you store it on venti. > using venti also makes backup easier. I doubt how eagerly we need dump function for such as personal use by notebook or at home task. If we can use fossil instead of kfs, we can use secure and long name capable file system for personal use. Is it ridicurous? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 10:57:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 10:57:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10900 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 10:57:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10896 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 10:57:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 10:57:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4E07619B30; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF90C19BD8; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:57:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 65F4219B30; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B9B519BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:56:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0a63de886dbdc968d1fb31e6a5828eee@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-Reply-To: <3ba564280bd726d2271b9d2b264d17d0@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zdlnvoyhrxtoywxwaqlpfvpdol" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:56:15 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zdlnvoyhrxtoywxwaqlpfvpdol Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use a ventiless fossil on my notebook. However, I have a whole company worth of file servers etc to backup to. --upas-zdlnvoyhrxtoywxwaqlpfvpdol Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Nov 30 20:50:29 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Nov 30 20:50:26 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 28ABD19BCE; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B4ED19B55; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:50:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 149B619BCE; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:49:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE52B19B66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:48:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ba564280bd726d2271b9d2b264d17d0@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:50:13 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> For a notebook or Plan 9 at home, is it possible to use fossil >> without venbti instead of kfs? >> I can't find any good reason to use venti for those purposes. >> Is there any? > > the dump takes up much less space if you store it on venti. > using venti also makes backup easier. I doubt how eagerly we need dump function for such as personal use by notebook or at home task. If we can use fossil instead of kfs, we can use secure and long name capable file system for personal use. Is it ridicurous? Kenji --upas-zdlnvoyhrxtoywxwaqlpfvpdol-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 11:15:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 11:15:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12034 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 11:15:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12030 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 11:15:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 11:15:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0461E19ACE; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50B0F19BDB; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:15:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8C95E19BCF; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 595FB19BD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:14:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <0a63de886dbdc968d1fb31e6a5828eee@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:15:54 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I use a ventiless fossil on my notebook. However, I have a whole > company worth of file servers etc to backup to. I'm now considering to make version-up of my Plan 9 system (kfs file server + terminals), and have a plan to buy a notebook for my work (education, and presentation use), and considered what is the best system to me. I have full file server at working, and I can refer to it anytime if neccessary. In such a situation, I need a lighter Plan 9 on a notebook or for home task. For such purpose, we now only have kfs fileserver. If we could have fossil without venti for such purpose, it may help me, and peobably help many who are planing to use Plan 9 system for their introductory system. How about this? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 11:26:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 11:26:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12704 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 11:26:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12700 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 11:26:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 11:26:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9CEE319B56; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D40A19BDB; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:26:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8488B19B56; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:25:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31AE119BD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:24:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <91888af929821334e8295b9c9096a18c@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:26:31 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > I have full file server at working, and I can refer to it anytime if > neccessary. In such a situation, I need a lighter Plan 9 on a notebook > or for home task. For such purpose, we now only have kfs fileserver. > If we could have fossil without venti for such purpose, it may help > me, and peobably help many who are planing to use Plan 9 system > for their introductory system. How about this? If you boot a fossil-based system without a venti server fossil will complain that it can't find it and that's it. there are no other problems and you will be able to use it normally, as long as you don't set any snaptimes (see fossilcons(8)). so, in short, you should be fine, until it crashes. since it's a light system and will probably carry little important data not backed up on your main server it should be fine. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 11:33:29 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 11:33:29 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13124 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 11:33:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13120 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 11:33:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 11:33:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1E1C619BEF; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 732EC19AD6; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3617219A14; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:32:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37359199DB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB12WgEX010579 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:43 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB12WgWB013673 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:42 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB12WfTc028323 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:41 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:32:41 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i like having the venti on my notebook, just my $.02. I can screw up pretty badly and still recover, even when not on the network. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 11:46:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 11:46:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13973 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 11:46:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13969 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 11:46:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 11:46:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3349B199DB; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52AFD19B2B; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:46:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 00F29199DB; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0E3B19A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:45:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <91888af929821334e8295b9c9096a18c@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:46:35 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > If you boot a fossil-based system without a venti server fossil will > complain that it can't find it and that's it. there are no other > problems and you will be able to use it normally, as long as you don't > set any snaptimes (see fossilcons(8)). Oh, I see! I'll try it. Thank you very much. > so, in short, you should be fine, until it crashes. since it's a > light system and will probably carry little important data not backed > up on your main server it should be fine. I'll never do any heavy work on those light Plan 9 system, many are for presentation and just read/or make small change to the sources at home. This end of the year I may use it some heavyly though. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 12:22:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 12:22:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16428 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 12:22:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16424 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 12:22:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 12:22:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EE8EA19ACF; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DB4619BCF; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:22:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 83EE319A84; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:21:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58DD219ACF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:21:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64e965ab08b4be75a597b8f792a25c7f@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:22:18 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i like having the venti on my notebook, just my $.02. In that case, how big the disk space for venti you are planning? Does the notebook have another OS on itself? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 12:25:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 12:25:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16603 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 12:25:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16599 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 12:25:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 12:25:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A8B5119A6C; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 584A619BA8; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:25:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6CDE119A6E; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48A5419A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:24:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <64e965ab08b4be75a597b8f792a25c7f@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:26:04 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Does the notebook have another OS on itself? In my case, I'll have Windows XP on that notebook, probably. Don't blame please. It's for my work, presentation, I'm intending to use it. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 12:31:00 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 12:31:00 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16908 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 12:30:59 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16903 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 12:30:59 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 12:30:59 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1F3C019BDA; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F2D919BCA; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:30:35 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A842F19AD6; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1DA219A6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB13SwEX012228 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:28:58 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB13SwWB018594 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:28:58 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB13SvTc029578 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:28:57 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-Reply-To: <64e965ab08b4be75a597b8f792a25c7f@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:28:56 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > In that case, how big the disk space for venti you are planning? > Does the notebook have another OS on itself? on my 20 GB disk, I have 6GB for each arena, 5GB fossil, and the usual little partitions. I think the 5GB fossil is overkill, but I'm a newbie to this stuff. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 13:12:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 13:12:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19485 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 13:12:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19481 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 13:12:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 13:12:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5FA1A19BFD; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87C2319C4A; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:12:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 358F219C07; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:11:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A93B19BFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.169.81]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DCD3B8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:11:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ishwar Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:10:11 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On a side note. The wiki page only talks about on installation using kfs, venti and fossil parts seems to be an addendum.. Is it possble to install wthout kfs uisng downloaded plan9.iso? Currently I am running standalone cpuauth/terminal using kfs. Any pointers wil be appreciated. -ishwar On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, ron minnich wrote: > i like having the venti on my notebook, just my $.02. I can screw up > pretty badly and still recover, even when not on the network. > > ron > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 13:17:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 13:17:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19838 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 13:17:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19833 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 13:17:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 13:17:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C53EA19C9E; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 722C119C4F; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:17:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8DE2F19C53; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93DF219C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB14GcEX013935 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB14GcWB022867 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB14GcTc030718 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:16:38 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Ishwar Rattan wrote: > On a side note. The wiki page only talks about on installation > using kfs, venti and fossil parts seems to be an addendum.. > Is it possble to install wthout kfs uisng downloaded plan9.iso? > Currently I am running standalone cpuauth/terminal using kfs. use bleeding-edge, all will work fine with fossil. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 1 13:18:24 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 1 13:18:24 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19911 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 13:18:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19907 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 13:18:24 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 13:18:24 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E7BFD19CA3; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:18:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95AB719CA0; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:18:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C091419C16; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3421519C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:16:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:21:10 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > on my 20 GB disk, I have 6GB for each arena, 5GB fossil, and the usual > little partitions. I think the 5GB fossil is overkill, but I'm a newbie to > this stuff. any size fossil larger than a gigabyte is an overkill until you really need the room -- then it becomes insufficient.. the 60GB venti at ucalgary has accumulated only 1.5GB (3.2 uncompressed) since june. the 12GB fossil partition also looks ridiculously empty: main: df main: 380,469,248 used + 12,052,914,176 free = 12,433,383,424 (3% used) main: that after 4 days of uptime, storing 3 days worth of hourly snaps. I know one person had problems with a 1GB fossil however -- he simply couldn't store a file larger than that in it :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 09:54:17 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 09:54:17 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2729 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 08:07:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2725 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 08:07:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 08:07:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7BD8719CB5; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:07:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3286B19CB5; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:07:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B259F19CB0; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:06:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (mail.ua.pt [193.136.80.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADF55199FB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:06:05 -0500 (EST) X-UA-Spam: No X-UA-Spam-Status: hits=0.1 required=5.0 X-UA-Spam-Report: RCVD_IN_SORBS Received: from [213.13.227.163] (account a27621@alunos.det.ua.pt HELO users.sourceforge.net) by frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 13551243 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:05:59 +0000 Message-ID: <3FCBC953.2090400@users.sourceforge.net> From: Hugo Santos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:05:55 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I find w3m to be much better than links in terms of rendering. Hugo From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 09:58:14 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 09:58:14 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2832 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 08:11:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2828 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 08:11:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 08:11:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7E81119CB7; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6D6619CBD; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:11:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D7EA219C84; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-222.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F7A219C94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQxBf-000Fbe-Ef for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:10:39 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:05:55 GMT." <3FCBC953.2090400@users.sourceforge.net> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <59992.1070320239.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:10:39 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I find w3m to be much better than links in terms of rendering. except for the lack of graphics, no? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 09:59:13 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 09:59:13 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16269 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 22:52:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16265 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 22:52:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 22:52:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DECC019C92; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:52:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E446D19CA0; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2069719B78; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B09319BD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:51:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: vrotaru@seznam.cz, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Problems with Live Plan 9 CD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-joytlijolnzckbbfocebxssmti" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 08:51:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-joytlijolnzckbbfocebxssmti Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have not (yet) installed the Plan9 but if I succed how can change the > default font to the one used by the install shell? If you mean the font used by the install process, start rio with the option '-f /lib/font/bit/lucidasans/typelatin1.7.font'. I believe that's what we're using. Alternately, you could just set the environment variable 'font' to that value before starting rio. --upas-joytlijolnzckbbfocebxssmti Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 1 06:11:29 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 1 06:11:26 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6B47E19CA9; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9166319C19; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B03EB19A91; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 873B319C19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AQlsq-0003qu-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:06:28 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Vasile Rotaru Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: [9fans] Problems with Live Plan 9 CD Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:06:19 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It take me more than one attempt to be able to boot from $subj. The problem seems to be that my CD is connected as slave to the second IDE interface and has no master. So the boot program finds plan9.ini on sdD1 but looks for the kernel for the kernel and root filesystem on sdD0. When I enter the right values by hand the system boots nicely. I have not (yet) installed the Plan9 but if I succed how can change the default font to the one used by the install shell? Regards, Vasile Rotaru --upas-joytlijolnzckbbfocebxssmti-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 09:59:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 09:59:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30647 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 05:55:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30643 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 05:55:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 05:55:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 161CD19CA5; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:55:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BBB419CAD; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:55:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A58E019A84; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3CD519A91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20031201205427012003b020e>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:54:27 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 503E33666A7; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:54:15 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs Message-ID: <20031201205415.GA25262@ionkov.net> References: <8b07c6b4228a0fc8e0ce580643589136@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8b07c6b4228a0fc8e0ce580643589136@plan9.ucalgary.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:54:15 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) What about compiling libdraw (and friends) with pcc? Lucho On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 01:00:15PM -0700, mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca said: > > you're trying to link the ape library > > with the normal c library, and you cannot do that. > > one or the other, as discussed earlier. > > multiple mallocs aren't the only reason. > > I guess I've misunderstood the original discussion. no chance for > writing just the graphical portion of a program in libdraw and linking > it against the ape-compiled rest then. ??? > > in this case sorry, no graphical browser for plan9. until vitanuova > makes limbo and dis available native for plan9 and we all use charon. > > andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:01:17 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:01:17 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27616 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 15:14:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27612 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 15:14:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 15:14:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DD0C319ABC; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3401819C77; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:14:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6CA8A19ABC; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:13:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 470F019C19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 01:13:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <04ab07ed0889461288fe472f7071b421@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:14:57 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I know one person had problems with a 1GB fossil however -- he > simply couldn't store a file larger than that in it :) You mean single file size over 1GB? ☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:02:21 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:02:21 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1205 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 07:15:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1201 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 07:15:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 07:15:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 18EA119CBA; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D84DD19CBD; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:15:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E03BE19CBE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB03319C28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:14:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:13:54 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) to be honest, it does a lot of things and it does them reasonably well, including java script. I don't mind the interface all that much, but I'm not forced to use links every day. I remember you being turned off by the large select() loop in the middle of the code when we first brought it up. that's why I decided to attempt to do it with ape. after sitting in my 'todo' folder for 6 months I spent the two days making it compile cleanly (which involved way too many casts from unsigned char * to char * and back). now the only thing that's left is the driver for Plan 9, which is mostly raw bitmaps being loaded onto the screen. i'm contemplating on having the plan9 driver just write the bitmaps to /dev/draw or to another simple file server that will know how to display them... here's how nytimes.com is rendered with the latest (2.1.14) links in linux: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/nytimes.png andrey ps: and a change to /sys/lib/plumb/basic to plumb png files to page, now that they're readable with png(1). please add it on sources: plan9% yesterday -d /sys/lib/plumb/basic diff /n/dump/2003/1201/sys/lib/plumb/basic /sys/lib/plumb/basic 12c12 < data matches '(https?|ftp|file|gopher|mailto|news|nntp|telnet|wais|prospero)://[a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+([.:][a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+)*/?[a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+([:.][a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+)*\.(jpe?g|JPE?G|gif|GIF|ps|PS|pdf|PDF)' --- > data matches '(https?|ftp|file|gopher|mailto|news|nntp|telnet|wais|prospero)://[a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+([.:][a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+)*/?[a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+([:.][a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+)*\.(jpe?g|JPE?G|gif|GIF|png|PNG|ps|PS|pdf|PDF)' plan9% From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:06:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:06:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4938 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 09:06:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4934 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 09:06:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 09:06:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC70F19CC5; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8802119CD0; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:06:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CB44119CC9; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60CD819CCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:05:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from dstc.edu.au (sunburn.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.16]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB205EYd028962 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:05:14 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200312020005.hB205EYd028962@piglet.dstc.edu.au> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:21:06 GMT." <3FCBCCE2.1090305@innerghost.net> From: David Arnold X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:05:37 +1000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -->"Hugo" == Hugo Santos writes: Hugo> Russ Cox wrote: >>> I find w3m to be much better than links in terms of rendering. >> except for the lack of graphics, no? Hugo> w3m-img gives w3m image support in linux framebuffer. there's a ghastly-but-great hack for w3m in an xterm which alots space for images in curses and then writes the images themselves to the underlying X window. d From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:11:21 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:11:21 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28124 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 04:44:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28120 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 04:44:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 04:44:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3B73F19A1C; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:44:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7320F19C54; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:44:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CB5DA19A1C; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-222.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46A3319B78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:43:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQtxS-000F7J-A9 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:43:46 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:13:25 MST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <58111.1070307826.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:43:46 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'm having this problem I can't get around -- trying to link .8 files > compiled with ape/pcc and .8 files compiled with 8c I get the > following: > > malloc: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: malloc > (1012) TEXT malloc+0(SB),$24 > free: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: free > (1041) TEXT free+0(SB),$12 > realloc: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: realloc > (1049) TEXT realloc+0(SB),$28 > calloc: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: calloc > (1078) TEXT calloc+0(SB),$24 > atexit: /386/lib/libc.a(exits): redefinition: atexit > (776) TEXT atexit+0(SB),$16 > > Any ideas? you're trying to link the ape library with the normal c library, and you cannot do that. one or the other, as discussed earlier. multiple mallocs aren't the only reason. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:11:58 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:11:58 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3226 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 08:22:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3222 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 08:22:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 08:22:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B5F7A19CC6; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:22:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDEBC19CCC; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:22:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C205319CC7; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (mail.ua.pt [193.136.80.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B284719CBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:21:10 -0500 (EST) X-UA-Spam: No X-UA-Spam-Status: hits=-4.8 required=5.0 X-UA-Spam-Report: BAYES_00 RCVD_IN_SORBS Received: from [213.13.227.163] (account a27621@alunos.det.ua.pt HELO innerghost.net) by frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 13551533 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:21:07 +0000 Message-ID: <3FCBCCE2.1090305@innerghost.net> From: Hugo Santos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:21:06 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Russ Cox wrote: >>I find w3m to be much better than links in terms of rendering. >> >> > >except for the lack of graphics, no? > > > w3m-img gives w3m image support in linux framebuffer. although i was talking about text-mode. AFAIK w3m doesn't support other fonts like links2 does. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:13:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:13:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31176 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 06:13:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31172 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 06:13:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 06:13:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B48BA19C54; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F48619CB4; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:13:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 286E019C91; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-222.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9553119AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQvKf-000FIV-NH for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:11:49 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:00:15 MST." <8b07c6b4228a0fc8e0ce580643589136@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <58805.1070313109.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:11:49 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > you're trying to link the ape library > > with the normal c library, and you cannot do that. > > one or the other, as discussed earlier. > > multiple mallocs aren't the only reason. > > I guess I've misunderstood the original discussion. no chance for > writing just the graphical portion of a program in libdraw and linking > it against the ape-compiled rest then. you'd have to get libdraw compiling using pcc, meaning make a /sys/include/ape/draw.h, etc. i don't think it would be a lot of work, but it's not trivial and could be another copy to maintain. it's possible that in the specific case of libdraw the port would be easy because open(), read(), write(), etc. mean much the same in ape as they do in native plan 9. you need not to include libc.h, because it has a tag informing the linker to link with /386/lib/libc.a, and you need to do without that library. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:21:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:21:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24292 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 03:14:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24288 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 03:14:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 03:14:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5C3DC19C3C; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33ECC19CA5; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:14:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3445B19AA1; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62DC719AAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:13:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:13:25 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm having this problem I can't get around -- trying to link .8 files compiled with ape/pcc and .8 files compiled with 8c I get the following: malloc: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: malloc (1012) TEXT malloc+0(SB),$24 free: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: free (1041) TEXT free+0(SB),$12 realloc: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: realloc (1049) TEXT realloc+0(SB),$28 calloc: /386/lib/libc.a(mallocz): redefinition: calloc (1078) TEXT calloc+0(SB),$24 atexit: /386/lib/libc.a(exits): redefinition: atexit (776) TEXT atexit+0(SB),$16 Any ideas? andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:22:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:22:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31406 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 06:22:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31402 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 06:22:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 06:22:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E8B019CB4; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A032219CC1; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:22:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 45AB919CB1; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (nan-smtp-21.noos.net [212.198.2.116]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B41E19C91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14340 invoked by uid 0); 1 Dec 2003 21:21:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coma) ([81.64.132.185]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.116 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 1 Dec 2003 21:21:16 -0000 Message-ID: <017101c3b850$eae0c780$b9844051@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <8b07c6b4228a0fc8e0ce580643589136@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <20031201205415.GA25262@ionkov.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:20:16 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) looks like a lot of 'illegal combination of pointer and integer' as pcc once opined. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:28:20 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:28:20 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28815 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 05:01:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28811 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 05:01:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 05:01:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BEC2619C2C; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B11919CB4; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:01:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 982AB19C99; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3DAF19C54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:00:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b07c6b4228a0fc8e0ce580643589136@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:00:15 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > you're trying to link the ape library > with the normal c library, and you cannot do that. > one or the other, as discussed earlier. > multiple mallocs aren't the only reason. I guess I've misunderstood the original discussion. no chance for writing just the graphical portion of a program in libdraw and linking it against the ape-compiled rest then. ☹ in this case sorry, no graphical browser for plan9. until vitanuova makes limbo and dis available native for plan9 and we all use charon. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:29:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:29:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20799 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 01:29:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20795 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 01:29:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 01:29:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7A40919C77; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:29:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B631E19C91; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:29:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8B3CE19C60; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:28:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B569419C19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (fine1008.math.princeton.edu [128.112.16.123]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB1GSUHx012395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:28:31 -0500 Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB1GSUI5019961 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:28:30 -0500 Message-Id: <200312011628.hB1GSUI5019961@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 boot error In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Angelo Castigliola message dated "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:06:35 +0000." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:28:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am not really competent to diagnose this, but I may be able to suggest a workaround. If the plan9 compiler depends on having 586 instructions then you are out of luck. Other people will be able to answer that. If not, then there is a very ugly workaround. You can do the install under emulation (bochs) to a disk image and then write the image to your hard disk. If you are running bochs on a 486 this will take forever. If you have a fast machine running some form of unix you can do it there and then NFS mount the directory containing the resulting disk image. I should say that I once started to do this and then lost patience and interest. The bit about writing a disk image directly to my hard disk also frightened me. Good luck. > Hi, > > I'm installing Plan9 on a typical old 486. When it boots I get this. > PBS... > ELCR: 0000 > panic: floopyinitdev > > I have made a few different boot disks on two different computers so I'm > ruling out its a bad disk. > > I also tested the diskette drive and booted other boot disks and it seems to > be working fine as well. > > I can not find anything on the Plan9 site about this error and the only > thing I can dig up is this posting in which the author is having the same > error on a old 486 computer. > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=plan9+floppyinitdev&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=U TF-8&selm=722224617%40snellwilcox.com&rnum=1 > > I emailed the author of this post to see if he ever got passed it or just > gave up. > > Also I read that debugging info is written to the bootdisk. Perhaps there is > something I can use to help me get this to boot. I'm not sure if it is > getting that far in the boot process. > > Thanks in advance, > Angelo Castigliola III > -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:42:14 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:42:14 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17446 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 23:35:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17442 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 23:35:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 23:35:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F111C19C2F; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E8A719C18; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:35:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 898F019C2B; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BEB919C2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:34:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6e383b586f0b0d83253f935a301c2797@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Problems with Live Plan 9 CD From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:38:25 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have not (yet) installed the Plan9 but if I succed how can change the > default font to the one used by the install shell? edit $home/lib/profile for the user you log in under and change (or set) "font=" there andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:44:30 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:44:30 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32282 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 06:44:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32278 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 06:44:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 06:44:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 96CDB19995; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9823919CB9; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:44:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1FF5C19C2A; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0591F19B98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB1LhInK001982 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:43:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hB1LhIqB001978 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:43:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs In-Reply-To: <20031201205415.GA25262@ionkov.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:43:18 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Latchesar Ionkov wrote: > What about compiling libdraw (and friends) with pcc? > as Russ said, it's a pain in the butt... a more elegant solution would be to change the names of the system calls "behind the scenes" while linking with ape/libc.a for example malloc becomes apemalloc. with statically linked binaries that should solve my problem... unless i'm missing many things. "links" (the browser) is such a bloated piece of software that a rewrite for plan9 seems impossible, you saw the font_include.c example already, which won't even compile under pcc because it runs out of memory :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:54:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:54:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 358 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 06:54:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 354 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 06:54:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 06:54:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1D72719C41; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4868319CBA; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:54:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 58BE319C9C; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:53:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-222.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7D5B19AF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AQvzF-000FNw-Up for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:53:45 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] malloc redefinition when linking pcc with 8c programs In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Dec 2003 14:43:18 MST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <59142.1070315625.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 16:53:45 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Latchesar Ionkov wrote: > > > What about compiling libdraw (and friends) with pcc? > > > > as Russ said, it's a pain in the butt... > > a more elegant solution would be to change the names of the system calls > "behind the scenes" while linking with ape/libc.a for example malloc becomes > apemalloc. with statically linked binaries that should solve my problem... > > unless i'm missing many things. > > "links" (the browser) is such a bloated piece of software that a rewrite for > plan9 seems impossible, you saw the font_include.c example already, which > won't even compile under pcc because it runs out of memory :) i looked at links for a little while but since (iirc) it can't display www.nytimes.com (a seemingly median-difficulty page) properly, i decided it wasn't worth it. also the interface is awful. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 10:57:14 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 10:57:14 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17839 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 23:50:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17835 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 23:50:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 23:50:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2046619CAE; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9C4219C73; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:50:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CE2A219C77; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D32E919C28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:48:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [absolute newbie] Problems with Riva TNT From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <18ae804a.0311270906.1354ef15@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:53:15 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) sadly the only way you can get a new kernel in requires either to use 'ed' (the standard editor when rio isn't running) or boot from the disk and work a bit of magic to get a new kernel from sources.cs.bell-labs... this really should've been fixed in the default installation. the change appears to be there (> 0x20 -> >= 0x20) but depending on which kernel you're booting you may be using sources as far back as Dec 15th, 2002. email me privately and I'll walk you through building a new kernel without using rio.. i'll probably add it to the wiki too. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 11:20:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 11:20:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22530 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22526 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3D51419CA7; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:20:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9392E19C19; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:20:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8D81B19BDD; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:19:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from picoworks.com (sub17-87.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.17.87]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38F3919A0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:19:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4a5c76527875c7521d835903c37a691c@picoworks.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: pat@picoworks.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan9 boot error Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:19:07 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'm installing Plan9 on a typical old 486. When it boots I get this. > PBS... > ELCR: 0000 > panic: floopyinitdev Try disabling all but one floppy in the BIOS, then boot from that floppy. 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From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:29:31 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) If you do decide to try what I suggested, please write me first. There are a few pitfalls. > Hi, > > I'm installing Plan9 on a typical old 486. When it boots I get this. > PBS... > ELCR: 0000 > panic: floopyinitdev > > I have made a few different boot disks on two different computers so I'm > ruling out its a bad disk. > > I also tested the diskette drive and booted other boot disks and it seems to > be working fine as well. > > I can not find anything on the Plan9 site about this error and the only > thing I can dig up is this posting in which the author is having the same > error on a old 486 computer. > > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=plan9+floppyinitdev&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=U TF-8&selm=722224617%40snellwilcox.com&rnum=1 > > I emailed the author of this post to see if he ever got passed it or just > gave up. > > Also I read that debugging info is written to the bootdisk. Perhaps there is > something I can use to help me get this to boot. I'm not sure if it is > getting that far in the boot process. > > Thanks in advance, > Angelo Castigliola III > -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 12:11:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 12:11:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10746 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 20:11:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10742 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 20:11:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 20:11:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2150019CBC; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B561719CAB; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A12B219AA3; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A456C19C8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AQltP-0003rt-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:07:03 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Angelo Castigliola Message-ID: Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Subject: [9fans] Plan9 boot error Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:06:35 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I'm installing Plan9 on a typical old 486. When it boots I get this. PBS... ELCR: 0000 panic: floopyinitdev I have made a few different boot disks on two different computers so I'm ruling out its a bad disk. I also tested the diskette drive and booted other boot disks and it seems to be working fine as well. I can not find anything on the Plan9 site about this error and the only thing I can dig up is this posting in which the author is having the same error on a old 486 computer. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=plan9+floppyinitdev&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=722224617%40snellwilcox.com&rnum=1 I emailed the author of this post to see if he ever got passed it or just gave up. Also I read that debugging info is written to the bootdisk. Perhaps there is something I can use to help me get this to boot. I'm not sure if it is getting that far in the boot process. Thanks in advance, Angelo Castigliola III From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 12:11:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 12:11:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10760 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 20:11:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10755 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 20:11:52 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 20:11:52 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2EBC419AA3; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7893D19CB5; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 70E9F19AC6; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62EAE19AA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AQlsq-0003qo-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:06:28 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Hunt <0102806h@student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: <18ae804a.0311270906.1354ef15@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] [absolute newbie] Problems with Riva TNT Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:06:08 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I am having the same problems as someone else had in the thread [9fans] Nvidia TNT troubles. But, I only just started using plan 9 right now, so I have absolutely no idea what I am doing :(. I installed directly from cd, without using a boot floppy, the only thing that I had to do was change the boot path. The graphical interface loaded fine when I was doing the install, but when I first boot the system and login I get this: aux/vga: nvidia: segattach nvidiammio, size 16777216: bad arg in system (that was typed in by hand, so might not be exact) Is there a way that I can get this working without recompiling the kernel, since I have no idea how to do that yet. Or, if that part is easy, where do I get the latest vganvidia from? I can't even get the text editor to load, is this because of the above problem? I will be grateful for any assistance you can give me Richard Hunt My computer: plan9 installed on /dev/hda3, booting with lilo (no problems with this) linux installed on /dev/hda[56] broken windows install on /dev/hda1 (I think the plan9 install was responsible for breaking this - or at least my use of the plan 9 installer :) AMD K6/2 400 64Mb ram NVIDIA Riva TNT 16Mb (It's a creative graphics blaster) Aureal vortex sound card (I assume there will be no support for this?) 16x generic dvd drive 3.5" floppy drive 56k generic modem - but I have no internet connection, so I can't do any direct installs from the internet. I do have access to the internet and cd burners on university computers, however. I have five years experience with linux, including setting up kernels etc, if this will be any use to me. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 12:19:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 12:19:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10738 invoked by uid 1020); 1 Dec 2003 20:11:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10734 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2003 20:11:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 1 Dec 2003 20:11:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1C5AC19CB8; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76A3C19CA0; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:11:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B03EB19A91; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 873B319C19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 06:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AQlsq-0003qu-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:06:28 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Vasile Rotaru Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Problems with Live Plan 9 CD Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:06:19 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) It take me more than one attempt to be able to boot from $subj. The problem seems to be that my CD is connected as slave to the second IDE interface and has no master. So the boot program finds plan9.ini on sdD1 but looks for the kernel for the kernel and root filesystem on sdD0. When I enter the right values by hand the system boots nicely. I have not (yet) installed the Plan9 but if I succed how can change the default font to the one used by the install shell? Regards, Vasile Rotaru From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 16:32:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 16:32:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2886 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 16:32:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2882 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 16:32:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 16:32:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5552119CDE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14A3B19CDC; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:32:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 216B119B4D; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EB3719C5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:31:27 -0500 (EST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] [absolute newbie] Problems with Riva TNT Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] [absolute newbie] Problems with Riva TNT Thread-Index: AcO3++x/7947FOb+QH+gG4y+Q8DK1wAqZZdw From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:31:24 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) when you now boot from cd and select "Try out Plan 9 from CD" (or like) do you get into graphics regime, or not? Did you login as 'glenda' for = the first time? (I'm eternal 9-newbie, so I just guess...) cross fingers, and don't give up! ++pac. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Hunt [mailto:0102806h@student.gla.ac.uk]=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:06 PM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] [absolute newbie] Problems with Riva TNT I am having the same problems as someone else had in the thread [9fans] = Nvidia TNT troubles. But, I only just started using plan 9 right now, so = I have absolutely no idea what I am doing :(. I installed directly from cd, without using a boot floppy, the only = thing that I had to do was change the boot path. The graphical interface = loaded fine when I was doing the install, but when I first boot the = system and login I get this: aux/vga: nvidia: segattach nvidiammio, size 16777216: bad arg in system (that was typed in by hand, so might not be exact) Is there a way that I can get this working without recompiling the = kernel, since I have no idea how to do that yet. Or, if that part is easy, where do I get the latest vganvidia from? I can't even get the text editor to load, is this because of the above = problem? I will be grateful for any assistance you can give me Richard Hunt My computer: plan9 installed on /dev/hda3, booting with lilo (no problems with this) linux installed on /dev/hda[56] broken windows install on /dev/hda1 (I think the plan9 install was = responsible for breaking this - or at least my use of the plan 9 = installer :) AMD K6/2 400 64Mb ram NVIDIA Riva TNT 16Mb (It's a creative graphics blaster) Aureal vortex sound card (I assume there will be no support for this?) = 16x generic dvd drive 3.5" floppy drive 56k generic modem - but I have = no internet connection, so I can't do any direct installs from the = internet. I do have access to the internet and cd burners on university = computers, however. I have five years experience with linux, including setting up kernels = etc, if this will be any use to me. --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.545 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 339 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 27. 11. 2003 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 20:56:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 20:56:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17252 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 20:56:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17248 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 20:56:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 20:56:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3A19019CE6; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E3C719CD8; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:56:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C49D319CB0; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D728D19B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AR8y2-0004da-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:45:22 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: WLad Message-ID: Organization: Kharkiv online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] ... from Inferno... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:45:05 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've asked a question to Inferno news. I wondered if any people do somthing valuable using Inferno. Ben advised me to ask same question here. But I don't know the differences between Inferno and Plan9. Which was the first. Advantages and disandvantages comparing each other. Simplicity to setup and use. UNIX-likness. Programming environments. Existing IDEs (or the same tools for programming). Are any lecturer or techer who use these systems (I'm interesting in Inferno more then in Plan9. If am wrong in my estimations - correct my please with clear arguments). Is there any implementation od Ada for Inferno or Plan9 or I will be satisfied by "staff" tools? TNX VY 73! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 21:10:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 21:10:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17765 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 21:10:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17761 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 21:10:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 21:10:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2E71E19CEE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2587A19CE3; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:10:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5FCC919C55; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:09:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 854E919C5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:08:50 -0500 (EST) Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] ... from Inferno... Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] ... from Inferno... Thread-Index: AcO4y1dXGbEfYKIRSO2ll+lAs35wuQAANcqw From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:08:49 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Inferno is to Plan 9 as Java is to Windoze ;-) as I understand it Plan 9 is OS, but inferno is a layer above OS that runs on that (or = other[?]) OS. See also Wiki: http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/index.html and FAQ: http://ask.km.ru/3p/plan9faq.html Hope this helps. Cross fingers. Stay tuned. ++pac. > But I don't know the differences between Inferno and Plan9. Which was = the first. Advantages > and disandvantages comparing each other. = Simplicity to setup and use. UNIX-likness.=20 [snip] --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.545 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 339 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 27. 11. 2003 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 21:50:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 21:50:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19313 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 21:50:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19309 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 21:50:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 21:50:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 59DD7199EB; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 513A119CEF; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 79583199EB; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65A5C19CE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 07:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.240.227.6] (helo=hciyork.co.uk) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AR9xn-000L0Q-0V for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:49:12 +0000 Message-ID: <015001c3b913$0976be80$220101c8@MICHAEL> From: "Michael Jeffrey" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] ... from Inferno... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:29:50 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Inferno is to Plan 9 as Java is to Windoze ;-) as I understand it > Plan 9 is OS, but inferno is a layer above OS that runs on that (or other[?]) OS. This is a common misconception. Inferno is an operating system and, like Plan 9 and most other operating systems, can run as the native OS on bare hardware. A fairly wide range of architectures are supported, have a look at http://www.vitanuova.com/solutions/embedded/index.html. Unlike other OSes however, Inferno can also run as an application on top of an existing OS; which is what you referred to above. Inferno in this case does not manage the hardware directly but through services provided by the underlying OS. The important thing however is that in both cases system resources are presented in precisely the same way irrespective of whether Inferno is managing the hardware or running on top of another platform. The way resources are represented (namespaces) is shared with Plan 9 and the protocol for communication with resources is also shared. Plan 9 came first. To take full advantage of Inferno's portability across hardware architectures and OS platforms you, ideally, would like portable applications. The Limbo language within Inferno provides this application portability. Limbo is a concurrent, modular programming language that has a C-like syntax. The byte code representing a compiled Limbo program is portable to any platform on which Inferno is running. If you like, Limbo is to Inferno what Java would have been to JavaOS if it had existed. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 22:53:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 22:53:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21564 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 22:53:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21560 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 22:53:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 22:53:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5512E19BC4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37EE319B77; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:53:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA81B19BC4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:52:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clustera.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.16]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB1C319BD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:52:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [9fans] ... from Inferno... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] ... from Inferno... Thread-Index: AcO40uAgiSkVZji+QhWWOQ88AOGm1AACGu2A From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:52:24 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I see. Apologies. Eternal newbie, forever... ++pac. >> Inferno is to Plan 9 as Java is to Windoze ;-) as I understand it = Plan=20 >> 9 is OS, but inferno is a layer above OS that runs on that (or other[?]) OS. > This is a common misconception. Inferno is an operating system and, = like Plan 9 and most [snip] --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va neobsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.545 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 339 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 27. 11. 2003 =20 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 22:56:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 22:56:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21639 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 22:56:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21635 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 22:56:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 22:56:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2A54D19B77; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:56:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 391A119C9A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:56:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B841319C6A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1CA619A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:54:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1ARAth-0006pn-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:49:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: arcadi Message-ID: <2849c561.0312020433.76afc783@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] using plan 9 libraries on unix Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:47:18 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, how do I fix suicide of 9term with the error message (I have SunOS - sun4u architecture ) alarm clock after several tries it dies like that: moribund 239520 sched.c:48: failed assertion `t->moribund == 1' abort--core dumped also, how do I set up sam and 9term using fonts that are provided with port Thanks , arcadi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 23:33:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 23:33:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22867 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 23:33:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22863 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 23:33:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 23:33:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5656B19C8C; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:33:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B875D19B41; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5F0A919A96; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A07CE19ADE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB2EWXXG001641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:34 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB2EWXfq022511 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200312021432.hB2EWXfq022511@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ... from Inferno... In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to WLad message dated "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:45:05 +0000." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:32:33 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Are any lecturer or techer who use these systems (I'm interesting in > Inferno more then in Plan9. If am wrong in my estimations - correct my > please with clear arguments). I certainly use plan9, but I suspect that is not what you meant. I assume you mean "Is there anyone who uses plan9 or inferno as an example of OS design?" The answer for plan9 is yes. See http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/docencia/asignaturas/osd/ for example. I don't know of anyone using inferno for that purpose. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 23:37:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 23:37:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23078 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 23:37:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23074 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 23:37:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 23:37:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6A66119ADE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:37:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91D2519C91; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 15C6819A96; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:36:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A968619B41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:36:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2656c561c0083af0078ca4f207750a15@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ... from Inferno... From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <200312021432.hB2EWXfq022511@math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qxnpkuxrbxxousjennjilzsggw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:36:19 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qxnpkuxrbxxousjennjilzsggw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We are also using Inferno as a platform for our distributed systems lab (a 3rd year course). http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/docencia/asignaturas/ampliacion_ssoo --upas-qxnpkuxrbxxousjennjilzsggw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Tue Dec 2 15:33:37 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 97CC719A96; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B875D19B41; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:33:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5F0A919A96; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A07CE19ADE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB2EWXXG001641 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:34 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB2EWXfq022511 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:32:33 -0500 Message-Id: <200312021432.hB2EWXfq022511@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ... from Inferno... In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to WLad message dated "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:45:05 +0000." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:32:33 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Are any lecturer or techer who use these systems (I'm interesting in > Inferno more then in Plan9. If am wrong in my estimations - correct my > please with clear arguments). I certainly use plan9, but I suspect that is not what you meant. I assume you mean "Is there anyone who uses plan9 or inferno as an example of OS design?" The answer for plan9 is yes. See http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/docencia/asignaturas/osd/ for example. I don't know of anyone using inferno for that purpose. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 --upas-qxnpkuxrbxxousjennjilzsggw-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 23:39:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 23:39:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23174 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 23:39:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23170 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 23:39:52 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 23:39:52 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 197CF19CAD; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:39:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D27519C78; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:39:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B24BE19B41; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:38:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A7FC19B02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:38:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1a2a5fcf6abea050fc6ae9e004bdc44e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] using plan 9 libraries on unix From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <2849c561.0312020433.76afc783@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:42:59 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I don't think 9term is supported as an official Plan 9 software on UNIX. See here for possible answers: http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~matty/9term/ andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 2 23:44:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 2 23:44:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23308 invoked by uid 1020); 2 Dec 2003 23:44:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23304 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2003 23:44:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 2 Dec 2003 23:44:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 096A119CA0; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AD1619B41; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:44:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1046A19A96; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:43:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFA3919B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:42:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <12d5e3131a99c37829c6f1af11ada03d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ... from Inferno... From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <200312021432.hB2EWXfq022511@math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:47:11 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > for example. I don't know of anyone using inferno for that purpose. Now that the Programming with Limbo book is out Inferno is considered as an educational tool for a 3rd year operating systems course at our university... Surely there are others. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 00:17:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 00:17:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24555 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 00:17:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24551 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 00:17:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 00:17:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7A86919B41; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:17:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A90A19CA1; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:17:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3B43119B41; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:16:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EE3D19AFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARCFZ-000PJH-5h for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:15:41 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] using plan 9 libraries on unix In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:42:59 MST." <1a2a5fcf6abea050fc6ae9e004bdc44e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <97293.1070378138.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 10:15:38 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I don't think 9term is supported as an official Plan 9 software on UNIX. > > See here for possible answers: > > http://www.cs.usyd.edu.au/~matty/9term/ There is a 9term in the "ported libraries and software" bundle that I've been maintaining, mainly thanks to Caerwyn Jones and Richard Bilson. It seems not to cope well with some common terminal things (I manage to wedge it on FreeBSD after only a few minutes of use). On SunOS things are even worse, because something is amiss in the thread library but I don't know what. So the answer to the original question is "I don't know why 9term is crashing". There's still debugging to be done. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 00:28:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 00:28:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24795 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 00:28:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24791 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 00:28:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 00:28:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1F3BB19C90; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB0B719CA6; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:28:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C3E9519C78; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP1.andrew.cmu.edu [128.2.10.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20E1A19B81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ece.cmu.edu (MUNG.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.67.155]) by smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB2FQwjv015374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:26:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [9fans] ... from Inferno... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: phillip stanley-marbell To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <200312021432.hB2EWXfq022511@math.Princeton.EDU> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:27:05 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i'm teaching a class next semester on concurrency and distributed systems using Inferno and Limbo http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~pstanley/98-023/ cheers, phillip On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 09:32 AM, John Stalker wrote: > >> Are any lecturer or techer who use these systems (I'm interesting in >> Inferno more then in Plan9. If am wrong in my estimations - correct my >> please with clear arguments). > > I certainly use plan9, but I suspect that is not what you meant. I > assume > you mean "Is there anyone who uses plan9 or inferno as an example of > OS design?" The answer for plan9 is yes. See > > http://gsyc.escet.urjc.es/docencia/asignaturas/osd/ > > for example. I don't know of anyone using inferno for that purpose. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 00:50:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 00:50:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25504 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 00:50:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25500 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 00:50:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 00:50:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 401E819CC9; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:50:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDB6019C9D; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F239219C6A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:49:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E826119A8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2Fn88R021312 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:49:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2Fn7Fx000206 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:49:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hB2Fn8A21284 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:49:08 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312021549.hB2Fn8A21284@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 16:49:07 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Today I updated my fake-worm fs from sources (first time since summer). every time I replica/pull, I get lots of msgs like: m sys/lib/antiword/8859-1.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 m sys/lib/antiword/8859-10.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 m sys/lib/antiword/8859-13.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 m sys/lib/antiword/8859-14.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 m sys/lib/antiword/8859-15.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 and whenever I now run replica/pull again, I get the same... adding -s flag to replica/pull did not help (fair enough, it serves a different purpose) What am I doing wrong, or overlooking? I _think_ have the fake-worm fs permissions open enough, or??? Thanks, Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 01:11:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 01:11:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26283 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 01:11:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26279 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:11:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:11:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ADCF919CA9; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8B5A19CA6; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:11:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7AA3819B98; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:10:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0F5A19AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:10:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] silly replica question (repeated m msgs won't go away) From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <200312021549.hB2Fn8A21284@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:10:00 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Today I updated my fake-worm fs from sources (first time since summer). > > every time I replica/pull, I get lots of msgs like: > > m sys/lib/antiword/8859-1.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 > m sys/lib/antiword/8859-10.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 > m sys/lib/antiword/8859-13.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 > m sys/lib/antiword/8859-14.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 > m sys/lib/antiword/8859-15.txt 644 sys sys 1069793886 > > and whenever I now run replica/pull again, I get the same... > > adding -s flag to replica/pull did not help > (fair enough, it serves a different purpose) > > What am I doing wrong, or overlooking? > I _think_ have the fake-worm fs permissions open enough, or??? > > Thanks, > Axel. there were broken /sys/lib/antiword and /sys/src/cmd/aux/antiword with bad permissions on sources. looks like you're stuck with a bad copy. try chmod-ing your own version to something world-readable. or deleting them altogether and trying the -s flag to pull.. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 01:12:29 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 01:12:29 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26313 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 01:12:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26309 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:12:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:12:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9050019C9A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D86D219CC4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:12:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A478C19CAC; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from amer-bmta04.csc.com (AMER-BMTA04.csc.com [20.137.252.211]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3088219C5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from csc.com (va-fch34.csc.com [20.6.39.227]) by amer-bmta04.csc.com (Switch-3.1.2/Switch-3.1.0) with ESMTP id hB2GCQxP003845 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:12:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [9fans] using plan 9 libraries on unix To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: "Caerwyn B Jones" X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on VA-FCH34/SRV/CSC(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/02/2003 11:14:14 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:11:34 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Change font using the font env variable, e.g., font=/usr/local/plan9/font/pelm/unicode.9.font I'm also on sun4u. I get different behaviour from 9term depending on the font. With pelm everything works. But if I try lucida or lucm it freezes after the output from the first command. -Caerwyn From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 01:13:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 01:13:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26356 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 01:13:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26352 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:13:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:13:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6193019C6A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9926319CD5; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:13:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D1D0F19C9A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:12:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3642819CA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARD7t-000PNU-05; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:11:49 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, 0102806h@student.gla.ac.uk Subject: Re: [9fans] [absolute newbie] Problems with Riva TNT In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:31:24 +0100." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <97550.1070381472.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:11:43 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Andrey says that the nvidia driver is up-to-date, so try downloading a fresh Plan 9 CD and see if your problem goes away. We'd stopped building the CDs nightly when we switched file servers, due to a few configuration errors. Also, the separate sources snapshot is no more. Now the installation CD _is_ the sources snapshot. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 01:52:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 01:52:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27569 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 01:52:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27565 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 01:52:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 01:52:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B187319CC2; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 480A419C91; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 16C5519B98; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 491D919AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] silent fossil crashes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:51:37 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) it happened again -- fossil just stopped working without any sign of error. no sysfatal, no crash, nothing. just stopped responding. just when it died I had run a script that pulls from sources. the script does: echo 'srv -AWP somethingsomething' >> /srv/fscons at which point fossil decided to take a break. i have a saved a serial console log of attempting to run ls, showing that the machine isn't responding and then doing ^T^Tp and ^T^Tq before the reboot. if anyone is interested. ^T^Tq didn't show any processes waiting in the queue, whish wasn't the case with previous (nrdy>=1) crashes that were fixed a few weeks ago. ^T^Tk killed one of the fossil processes promptly. hope that helps: andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 03:01:03 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 03:01:03 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30030 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 03:01:03 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30026 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:01:03 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:01:03 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CECB619B98; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:00:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48E5F19C9C; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:00:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4E6AE19C87; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 091AF19B69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:59:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <23299f725d87fd9a5d94683f1a20fd78@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] silent fossil crashes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qbrqojaljnzouxuihgrqimbqlp" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:59:35 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qbrqojaljnzouxuihgrqimbqlp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How many tcp connections are open to that fossil (if any)? --upas-qbrqojaljnzouxuihgrqimbqlp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 2 11:52:37 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Dec 2 11:52:35 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 064D119CAC; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6178519CA6; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 16C5519B98; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 491D919AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] silent fossil crashes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:51:37 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) it happened again -- fossil just stopped working without any sign of error. no sysfatal, no crash, nothing. just stopped responding. just when it died I had run a script that pulls from sources. the script does: echo 'srv -AWP somethingsomething' >> /srv/fscons at which point fossil decided to take a break. i have a saved a serial console log of attempting to run ls, showing that the machine isn't responding and then doing ^T^Tp and ^T^Tq before the reboot. if anyone is interested. ^T^Tq didn't show any processes waiting in the queue, whish wasn't the case with previous (nrdy>=1) crashes that were fixed a few weeks ago. ^T^Tk killed one of the fossil processes promptly. hope that helps: andrey --upas-qbrqojaljnzouxuihgrqimbqlp-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 03:02:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 03:02:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30048 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 03:02:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30044 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:02:27 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:02:27 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 26B5719BA8; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F1C719C9D; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:02:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 66E9F19AD4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27F2619CC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:00:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <641560cf8de788503a8041d39b7aa670@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] silent fossil crashes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-nttiwmjwtmudlxgbqgfkqehzql" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:00:49 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-nttiwmjwtmudlxgbqgfkqehzql Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also (if you can) keep a 'con /srv/fscons' open somewhere to see error messages... --upas-nttiwmjwtmudlxgbqgfkqehzql Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 2 11:52:37 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Dec 2 11:52:35 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 064D119CAC; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6178519CA6; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 16C5519B98; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 491D919AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:51:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] silent fossil crashes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:51:37 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) it happened again -- fossil just stopped working without any sign of error. no sysfatal, no crash, nothing. just stopped responding. just when it died I had run a script that pulls from sources. the script does: echo 'srv -AWP somethingsomething' >> /srv/fscons at which point fossil decided to take a break. i have a saved a serial console log of attempting to run ls, showing that the machine isn't responding and then doing ^T^Tp and ^T^Tq before the reboot. if anyone is interested. ^T^Tq didn't show any processes waiting in the queue, whish wasn't the case with previous (nrdy>=1) crashes that were fixed a few weeks ago. ^T^Tk killed one of the fossil processes promptly. hope that helps: andrey --upas-nttiwmjwtmudlxgbqgfkqehzql-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 03:15:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 03:15:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30338 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 03:15:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30334 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:15:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:15:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4BB2B19C87; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2436C19CC4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:15:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D1C0E19B69; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A6B319CB0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:14:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: presotto@closedmind.org, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] silent fossil crashes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <2fd6338b88aeb4720c53adf22f3247f7@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:14:17 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > How many tcp connections are open to that fossil (if any)? not too many.. i had two clients connected to it. the total number of fossil processes at the time of crash were 23, so about 15-20 tcp connections. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 03:18:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 03:18:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30582 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 03:18:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30578 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:18:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:18:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A325419CA6; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C733F19CC4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:18:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 039BC19CA1; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3747F19AB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:16:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: presotto@closedmind.org, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] silent fossil crashes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <641560cf8de788503a8041d39b7aa670@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:16:54 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Also (if you can) keep a 'con /srv/fscons' open somewhere > to see error messages... will do. i use cons to log one of the consoles, but that's only as good as looking the last command that crashed: Tue Dec 2 04:03:28: main: archive vac:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Tue Dec 2 09:10:27: srv -AWP somethingsomething Tue Dec 2 09:28:00: prompt: you can see the machine being rebooted after srv -AWP... andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 03:50:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 03:50:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31540 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 03:50:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31536 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 03:50:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 03:50:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0927619CA1; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D9CA19C9C; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:50:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5D52419A8A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-222.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D25BC19A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:49:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARF4w-000PnY-18 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:16:54 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] silent fossil crashes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:14:17 MST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <99170.1070389013.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:16:53 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > How many tcp connections are open to that fossil (if any)? > > not too many.. i had two clients connected to it. the total number > of fossil processes at the time of crash were 23, so about 15-20 tcp > connections. i'd be interested to see the ^t^tp list. also the output of "msg" on your current console. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 04:19:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 04:19:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32567 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 04:19:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32563 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 04:19:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 04:19:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 495CB19CE8; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F37119CC7; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:19:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AB15D19A17; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:18:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0843619AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:18:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] remote access to fossil console Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:18:33 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Here's something I did last week to get remote access to the fossil console using consolefs to our server called 'ehime': 1) you need a consoledb file, say /lib/ndb/consoledb-ehime: % cat consoledb-ehime group=sys uid=jmk uid=... console=ehime-fs dev=/srv/fscons gid=sys % 2) add a case to /bin/C to select the correct server: ... switch($1){ case ehime-fs server=ehime case * # look for server in /lib/ndb server=`{ndb/query sys $1 console} switch($server){ case '' echo C: unknown console server for $1 exit 1 } } ... 3) add startup code for consolefs in /bin/cpurc.ehime: ... # start the remote fs console server if(test -e /srv/fscons) aux/consolefs -c /lib/ndb/consoledb.ehime ... Now we can 'C ehime-fs' just like we can for the serial consoles of the servers in the machine room. I changed consolefs last week not to present the status and ctl files for remote consoles if the underlying device doesn't support them, but this will work without that update to consolefs. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 05:31:00 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 05:31:00 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3031 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 05:30:58 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3027 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 05:30:58 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 05:30:58 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C977B19A26; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D6F119B3C; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CB0E319AF1; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:29:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F2DC19A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:29:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] silent fossil crashes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:29:42 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue Dec 2 13:50:34 EST 2003, rsc@swtch.com wrote: > > > How many tcp connections are open to that fossil (if any)? > > > > not too many.. i had two clients connected to it. the total number > > of fossil processes at the time of crash were 23, so about 15-20 tcp > > connections. > > i'd be interested to see the ^t^tp list. > also the output of "msg" on your current console. and the output of "srv" on the fossil console. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 05:53:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 05:53:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3683 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 05:53:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3679 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 05:53:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 05:53:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DE4A019AA6; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 855BF19B81; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:53:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B9A1019B01; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:52:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5B1019A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2KpT8R010589 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:51:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2KpRFx013868 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:51:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hB2KpSe23133 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:51:28 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312022051.hB2KpSe23133@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:18:33 -0500." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 21:51:28 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I think I did something like that on my fossil file server I had running a while ago (after disk problems and a full fossil it is in a 'under reconstruction' state for many months now). I used the clog program to log the fossil console output; this worked nicely, until the fossil filled up... then every write to the fossil also produced an error message via the fossil console that via clog tried to be logged to the already overfull fossile ad finitum (nauseum...) I'm wondering whether it would make sense to keep a kfs (or 9fat?) partition for logging purposes -- at least to capture/save the fossil/venti fingerprints. I haven't kept up reading 9fans over the last months -- are there new ideas people are employing to capture (at least) the fingerprints in a 'safe' place (and possibly other (error) messages too?) Axel. > Here's something I did last week to get remote access to the fossil > console using consolefs to our server called 'ehime': From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 06:07:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 06:07:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3965 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 06:07:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3961 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 06:07:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 06:07:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4EF6C19CC4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0292819B51; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:07:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C09FC19BCE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:06:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F341B19B12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:06:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <200312022051.hB2KpSe23133@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:06:45 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I haven't kept up reading 9fans over the last months -- are there > new ideas people are employing to capture (at least) the fingerprints > in a 'safe' place (and possibly other (error) messages too?) Nemo prints them on paper which is a very good idea IMHO. I use the logging jmk suggested and have a console srv-ed that drains to /sys/log/fossil: aux/clog /srv/fslog /sys/log/fossil & every morning the latest vac score is mailed to and stored on a university-administered machine, so I don't need to worry about backing the scores up. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 06:23:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 06:23:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4448 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 06:23:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4444 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 06:23:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 06:23:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 69E5419AFA; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:23:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6944119B51; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:23:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B0CA719AF5; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5A2B199FC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2LMZ8R011996 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:22:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB2LMXFx020509 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:22:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hB2LMYF23396 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:22:34 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312022122.hB2LMYF23396@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:06:45 -0700." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:22:34 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) at the university I could use your mailing trick; I was also thinking about fossil use at home where I have to (want to) be kind of self-supportive (hence the ideas I sketched in my orevious post) I suppose nemo's printer approach makes sense there. > Nemo prints them on paper which is a very good idea IMHO. I use the > logging jmk suggested and have a console srv-ed that drains to > /sys/log/fossil: > > aux/clog /srv/fslog /sys/log/fossil & > > > every morning the latest vac score is mailed to and stored on a > university-administered machine, so I don't need to worry about > backing the scores up. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 06:29:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 06:29:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4721 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 06:29:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4717 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 06:29:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 06:29:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E887E19B68; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D88CC19C56; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:29:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 19CB5199FC; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:28:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-222.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A89B19A91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARHYg-0000jx-Hv for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:55:46 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:22:34 +0100." <200312022122.hB2LMYF23396@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2847.1070398546.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:55:46 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > at the university I could use your mailing trick; I was also thinking > about fossil use at home where I have to (want to) be kind of self-supportive > (hence the ideas I sketched in my orevious post) > I suppose nemo's printer approach makes sense there. I don't bother logging the scores on my laptop. The score is recorded in the fossil super block -- I look through that if I need to. There should be a trivial command to extract it. Worst case I paw through the venti arenas. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 06:32:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 06:32:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4827 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 06:32:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4823 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 06:32:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 06:32:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BC14819AC0; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:32:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE3C519C49; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:32:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 071EA19AD5; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CC7C19B81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:30:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49cf8a6076e947657a0ac1216a398b40@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 16:30:50 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) A real man doesn't use tools, he just drops the filing on the disk and reads the bits directly. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 08:28:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 08:28:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8549 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 08:28:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8545 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 08:28:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 08:28:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 399B519CFE; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A3B919CEF; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:28:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DEA4219CEA; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (p9auth.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3A3A19CE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:27:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <71a5f3da9879e5cec2925c8f33171e49@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:27:04 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I did something similar a while ago but added openondemand: console=fossil dev=/srv/fscons openondemand=1 gid=sys I think this was to cope with restarting fossil and having to open a new /srv/fscons. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 10:45:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 10:45:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17346 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 10:45:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17342 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 10:45:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 10:45:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 40C7219B69; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4CA7019B37; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:45:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 747A219B69; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:44:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D396C19AE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:44:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] test Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:44:39 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I kept needing the following so I figured I might as well add it to test: New binary operator -older as in test file -older time returns successfully if the file is older than time. If the time is an integer followed by a unit, it represents a time before the current time. For example test file -older 1d13h10m means `is file older than 1 day, 3 hours, 10 minutes?' If there are no units, it represents an absolute time in seconds since epoch. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 10:48:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 10:48:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17548 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 10:48:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17544 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 10:48:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 10:48:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 51B2019AEC; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D3F0199BF; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:48:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3A05B199BF; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9121419B27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB31labV016134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hB31lZl23302 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:47:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312030147.hB31lZl23302@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Dec 2003 22:22:34 +0100." <200312022122.hB2LMYF23396@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 20:47:35 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Axel Belinfante writes: > > at the university I could use your mailing trick; I was also thinking > about fossil use at home where I have to (want to) be kind of self-supportive > (hence the ideas I sketched in my orevious post) > I suppose nemo's printer approach makes sense there. > If you have a 9fat, I don't see why you couldn't snarf the latest score and dump it into a file with a known name there. /n/9fat/newestsc.ore or something. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 11:36:46 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 11:36:46 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21039 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 11:36:45 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21035 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 11:36:45 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 11:36:45 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B871F19A7F; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D507319AB4; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:36:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B933A19A6F; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:35:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (nan-smtp-14.noos.net [212.198.2.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA92419B27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:34:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 23463 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2003 02:34:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coma) ([81.64.132.185]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.122 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 3 Dec 2003 02:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <042501c3b945$bea6f2c0$b9844051@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:32:49 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) yeah, well, you could do the whole deal with datakit. remote kernel hackery -- the whole 9 yards ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 12:56:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 12:56:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26685 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 12:56:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26679 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 12:56:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 12:56:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 462E519B0A; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8221619B73; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F244419B74; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (nan-smtp-18.noos.net [212.198.2.118]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E85DB19AF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2903 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2003 01:47:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coma) ([81.64.132.185]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.118 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 3 Dec 2003 01:47:39 -0000 Message-ID: <037201c3b93f$35a21a00$b9844051@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] ... from Inferno... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:46:02 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Inferno is to Plan 9 as Java is to Windoze ;-) as I understand it .... yeah, right. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 13:01:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 13:01:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26973 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 13:01:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26968 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 13:01:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 13:01:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 12E6319B50; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00EE219B8B; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:01:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AC74419B50; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:00:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (nan-smtp-17.noos.net [212.198.2.117]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D81E19B03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9540 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2003 02:39:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coma) ([81.64.132.185]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.117 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 3 Dec 2003 02:39:30 -0000 Message-ID: <048b01c3b946$61b05060$b9844051@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <49cf8a6076e947657a0ac1216a398b40@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] remote access to fossil console MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:37:23 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > A real man doesn't use tools, he just drops the filing on the > disk and reads the bits directly. 173000g From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 3 13:09:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 3 13:09:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27538 invoked by uid 1020); 3 Dec 2003 13:09:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27533 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2003 13:09:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Dec 2003 13:09:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 69EE819B85; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9EE219B93; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:09:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C07D919B8E; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:08:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (nan-smtp-18.noos.net [212.198.2.118]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC7AF19B73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:07:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 27514 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2003 02:17:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coma) ([81.64.132.185]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.118 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 3 Dec 2003 02:17:26 -0000 Message-ID: <03c901c3b943$5630ec20$b9844051@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] using plan 9 libraries on unix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 03:15:35 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) 9term was awful. what? one ioctl() per char? now nobody cares, but when it was released those instructions counted. the ultrix pty interface saved a lotta system calls. 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Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:53:25 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <46368.192.11.226.116.1070484805.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth/CPU/Fossil From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi Ballestros, Sorry for the delay in replying. I wasnt able to use the internet for sometime. I think I should first try fossil based Plan 9 installation before I help someone located elsewhere. I will do that as soon as I can. I will take your help off-list as needed. Also, seeing the mails on fossil/venti woes, I am getting worried about its stability. I am not sure how stable the system will be but atleast I would like to try it. Thanks dharani > In short, you must configure your standalone server to be an auth/cpu > server (it's already a file server given that you ask fossil to accept > connections from the network). > > We have a lab running a fossil auth/cpu/file server and diskless > terminals. Since It seems that you want a similar setup, I might help > with the details. > > In the wiki: > > Consider [Setting up Venti] before you start changing the default > installation. If you have a file server you'll want /n/dump, and venti > is the usual way of getting /n/dump these days. > > [Configuring a Standalone CPU Server] tells you what to do to convert > your fs also into a cpu/auth server. > > You should also read [Network Configuration] so that the server knows > others. > > [Setting up Fossil] tells you among other things how to listen for > network connections (i.e. become a file server). It also shows you how > to add users to a fossil file system (you'd also need to create keys > for each user (see auth(8) ). > > BTW, you might want to add extra devices to the cpu kernel config file > so you could start the window system in the console while you're > setting it up. > > If you need more help, or want to borrow our config files, > I think we could talk off-list and then you might perhaps > update the wiki so that > next time people could now what sections (and which order) > they should follow. > > > hth From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 4 04:44:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 4 04:44:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6978 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2003 04:44:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6974 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 04:44:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 04:44:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6663219C09; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B05CB19C0E; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:44:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0E4E019BB6; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21D8719BBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB3JgxnK023574 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:42:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hB3JgxDL023570 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:42:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth/CPU/Fossil In-Reply-To: <46368.192.11.226.116.1070484805.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:42:59 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: > Also, seeing the mails on fossil/venti woes, I am getting worried about its > stability. I am not sure how stable the system will be but atleast I would > like to try it. given how much you gain by using fossil+venti over kfs one or two stability hiccups are not a showstopper -- fossil handles restarting rather well. for the rare cases when it doesn't venti saves the day. venti is stable. besides, our whining has gotten most of the bugs fixed. recently reported problems come from misconfiguration and unfamiliarity with the different options rather than from bugs within fossil. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 4 05:11:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 4 05:11:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7956 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2003 05:11:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7952 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 05:11:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 05:11:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 30B9619CF4; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:11:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1953E19D12; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:11:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3CA5F19CF0; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 90E4819CF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:10:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00eb5f45e0667268e031fd6585048ce2@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth/CPU/Fossil From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <46368.192.11.226.116.1070484805.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-fqolcbfyolwjrqurzwkxbirkjn" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 21:10:33 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-fqolcbfyolwjrqurzwkxbirkjn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Don't worry. I'd say venti is solid as a rock, and fossil is quite solid too, although you don't need to depend on that too much, given venti. --upas-fqolcbfyolwjrqurzwkxbirkjn Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Wed Dec 3 20:36:49 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 738BB19C0E; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:36:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7F7D19BB7; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:36:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0D0F119BA3; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:35:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BB6919BB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:34:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB3KrPn28759 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:53:25 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <46368.192.11.226.116.1070484805.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth/CPU/Fossil From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:53:25 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ballestros, Sorry for the delay in replying. I wasnt able to use the internet for sometime. I think I should first try fossil based Plan 9 installation before I help someone located elsewhere. I will do that as soon as I can. I will take your help off-list as needed. Also, seeing the mails on fossil/venti woes, I am getting worried about i= ts stability. I am not sure how stable the system will be but atleast I woul= d like to try it. Thanks dharani > In short, you must configure your standalone server to be an auth/cpu > server (it's already a file server given that you ask fossil to accept > connections from the network). > > We have a lab running a fossil auth/cpu/file server and diskless > terminals. Since It seems that you want a similar setup, I might help > with the details. > > In the wiki: > > Consider [Setting up Venti] before you start changing the default > installation. If you have a file server you'll want /n/dump, and venti > is the usual way of getting /n/dump these days. > > [Configuring a Standalone CPU Server] tells you what to do to convert > your fs also into a cpu/auth server. > > You should also read [Network Configuration] so that the server knows > others. > > [Setting up Fossil] tells you among other things how to listen for > network connections (i.e. become a file server). It also shows you how > to add users to a fossil file system (you'd also need to create keys > for each user (see auth(8) ). > > BTW, you might want to add extra devices to the cpu kernel config file > so you could start the window system in the console while you're > setting it up. > > If you need more help, or want to borrow our config files, > I think we could talk off-list and then you might perhaps > update the wiki so that > next time people could now what sections (and which order) > they should follow. > > > hth --upas-fqolcbfyolwjrqurzwkxbirkjn-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 4 05:59:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 4 05:59:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9332 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2003 05:59:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9328 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 05:59:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 05:59:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3DC9D19D23; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98C9C19D19; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:59:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6A07419AC1; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 958EC199D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB3MHNn28910; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:17:23 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:17:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <64169.192.11.226.116.1070489843.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth/CPU/Fossil From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:17:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: > >> Also, seeing the mails on fossil/venti woes, I am getting worried >> about its stability. I am not sure how stable the system will be but >> atleast I would like to try it. > > given how much you gain by using fossil+venti over kfs one or two > stability hiccups are not a showstopper -- fossil handles restarting > rather well. for the rare cases when it doesn't venti saves the day. > venti is stable. Oh, thats good to hear. Since I havent played with fossil yet, I was thinking one cannot boot the server if it causes any problem. From what I remember from the past mails and your replies, I hope I can atleast start the server with an older snapshot. Thats good enough. Thanks dharani From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 4 06:00:56 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 4 06:00:56 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9364 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2003 06:00:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9360 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 06:00:55 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 06:00:55 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9F60619D21; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:00:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A32E219D1F; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:00:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0F8F1199D8; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:00:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F06819A90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:59:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB3MIZn28937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:18:35 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:18:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7548.192.11.226.116.1070489915.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Auth/CPU/Fossil From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:18:35 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: > >> Also, seeing the mails on fossil/venti woes, I am getting worried >> about its stability. I am not sure how stable the system will be but >> atleast I would like to try it. > > given how much you gain by using fossil+venti over kfs one or two > stability hiccups are not a showstopper -- fossil handles restarting > rather well. for the rare cases when it doesn't venti saves the day. > venti is stable. Oh, thats good to hear. Since I havent played with fossil yet, I was thinking one cannot boot the server if it causes any problem. From what I remember from the past mails and your replies, I hope I can atleast start the server with an older snapshot. Thats good enough. Thanks dharani From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 4 23:10:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 4 23:10:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30159 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2003 23:10:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30155 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 23:10:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 23:10:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7FE7619A33; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:10:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEC8319C13; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:10:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3AC9D199D4; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:09:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rapido.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D51DD19B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:09:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44af9c18cbe7c951b719691ea90c162f@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: rog@vitanuova.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] not so smug any more Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:12:55 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) up until last night, i'd had absolutely no problems with fossil. however i now can't start it: assert failed: (b->l.state&BsClosed)==0 && b->l.epoch < ehi flchk dies too: assert failed: b->iostate == BioEmpty || b->iostate == BioLabel || b->iostate == BioClean it's possible that i accidentally started two fossil instances on the same disk image at one point; is that invariably fatal? should i just kiss goodbye to 20 hours of data and wipe the fossil partition, or might recovery be possible? cheers, rog. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 4 23:57:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 4 23:57:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31657 invoked by uid 1020); 4 Dec 2003 23:57:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31653 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2003 23:57:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 4 Dec 2003 23:57:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4FA7F19C24; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B03B619C2E; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:57:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C172219C27; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk (hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk [130.209.16.102]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00F65199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:55:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from student-nds.cent.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.13.77] helo=student.gla.ac.uk) by hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1ARutU-0004RY-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:55:52 +0000 Received: from 0102806H [130.209.13.57] by student.gla.ac.uk with NetMail ModWeb Module; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:55:52 +0000 From: "Richard Hunt" <0102806H@student.gla.ac.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: 0102806H MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1070549752.97ffd4e00102806H@student.gla.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [9fans] Various Things I Couldn't Find Documented Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:55:52 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Sorry that I haven't replied yet to any of the helpful posts, and sorry abo= ut posting my question multiply. I didn't realize that my first post (whi= ch I sent through Google Groups) had actually made it to the list. Google= takes so long to update sometimes. Anyway, I managed to get a new kernel built and running in about twenty sec= onds after I found the wiki, and have now been reading through a lot of t= he documentation that is on the system, so I hope that these questions ar= en't totally stupid: 1. I have installed the tex and python .iso.bz2 packages, but I had problem= s doing so. I am using the fossil file system, but the installation seems= to be looking for /dev/sdC0/fs and /n/kfs by default. My solution was to= copy /n/dist/tex to /usr/glenda, and change '9fs kfs' -> 'bind / /n/kfs'= . This installed but it means that I have to type that command in every t= ime that I want to use tex. I suppose that I should have deleted 9fs kfs,= and just changed the paths instead? 2. Is there much internationalisation (apart from Unicode) in Plan 9? I am = British, so two things have been a bit niggly: The time is reported corre= ctly, but as EST instead of GMT. The keyboard layout is quite different. = How do I change these settings? 3. I think this one is a bug. I have a cdr with various documenation and es= says and such, which I have been putting together gradually, so it is a m= ultisession disk. When I mount it in plan 9 with 'mount /srv/9660 /n/b /d= ev/sdC1/data' for some reason I can only get the data from the first sess= ion. How can I get to all the data. 4. Disk copying seems to be quite slow for me (especially when I tried kfs)= , is it possible to change the hard disk setting ala hdparm? 5. When I was installing python (the replica/pull part) this error popped u= p on screen: cacheAllocBlock wrap 164567 is it important? 6. How do I add users? I am using a single pc not on any networks for any of the above. Thanks for helping, Richard Hunt, 0102806h@student.gla.ac.uk From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 5 00:54:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 5 00:54:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 880 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2003 00:54:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 876 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 00:54:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 00:54:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5C927199CF; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC3EB19C45; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:54:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7C13519ABD; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 645EE19C3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:53:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB4Fr0nK026023 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:53:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hB4FqxJs026019 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:53:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Various Things I Couldn't Find Documented In-Reply-To: <1070549752.97ffd4e00102806H@student.gla.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:52:59 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Richard Hunt wrote: > 1. I have installed the tex and python .iso.bz2 packages, but I had > problems doing so. I am using the fossil file system, but the installation > seems to be looking for /dev/sdC0/fs and /n/kfs by default. My solution > was to copy /n/dist/tex to /usr/glenda, and change '9fs kfs' -> 'bind / > /n/kfs'. This installed but it means that I have to type that command in > every time that I want to use tex. I suppose that I should have deleted > 9fs kfs, and just changed the paths instead? change the tex file in the distribution (after you've mounted the tex iso) to use /n/boot instead of /n/kfs. the first command to change should be: fn clientmount { 9fs boot } then change all occurences of 'kfs' to 'boot' the reason for that is that you have no kfs partition and tex assumes you do. there should be no problem using the 'latex' command after you've ran a replica/pull following the README instructions. > 2. Is there much internationalisation (apart from Unicode) in Plan > 9? I am British, so two things have been a bit niggly: The time is > reported correctly, but as EST instead of GMT. The keyboard layout is > quite different. How do I change these settings? date(1) will give you a hint: /adm/timezone/local Default timezone file, copied by init(8) into /env/timezone. there's a british keyboard binding that comes with nemo's usb/kbdmap driver. check the archives from last week for how to use it. > 4. Disk copying seems to be quite slow for me (especially when I tried kfs), is it possible to change the hard disk setting ala hdparm? if your controller is supported then you can turn dma on by issuing: echo 'dma on' > /dev/sdC0/ctl echo 'rwm on' > /dev/sdC0/ctl cat-ing /dev/sdC0/ctl will show you that they're on if the values following them are non-zero. > 6. How do I add users? man fossilcons hope that helps: andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 5 01:39:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 5 01:39:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2616 invoked by uid 1020); 5 Dec 2003 01:39:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2612 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2003 01:39:49 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 5 Dec 2003 01:39:49 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3BA2619C3B; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F38B419D10; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:39:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CE10F19CD7; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:38:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36FE419C25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:38:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ARwUn-0007FU-Vg for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:38:29 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Various Things I Couldn't Find Documented In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:55:52 GMT." <1070549752.97ffd4e00102806H@student.gla.ac.uk> From: "Russ Cox" Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 11:38:19 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > 3. I think this one is a bug. I have a cdr with various documenation and es= > says and such, which I have been putting together gradually, so it is a m= > ultisession disk. When I mount it in plan 9 with 'mount /srv/9660 /n/b /d= > ev/sdC1/data' for some reason I can only get the data from the first sess= > ion. How can I get to all the data. The /dev/sdC1/data file shows the last session only. You should be able to run cdfs; ls /mnt/cd to see the various sessions, and then if you start 9660srv again (rm /srv/9660; 9660srv) so that 9660srv is running with cdfs in its name space, you'll be able to mount particular sessions. The fact that you have to restart 9660srv in the above example _is_ a bug, but a very deep one we don't really know how to fix. > 5. When I was installing python (the replica/pull part) this error popped u= > p on screen: > cacheAllocBlock wrap 164567 > is it important? No. It means that the disk cache block allocator, which just allocates blocks in sequential order, wrapped around while scanning for a free block. I'll take the print out. It's left over from debugging. 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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Dec 2003 20:51:14 EST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <545.1070683026.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 22:57:06 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Which video card is emulated in VMware? It's a VMware-specific card, not a clone of any real hardware. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 6 18:37:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 6 18:37:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6864 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2003 18:37:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6860 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 18:37:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 18:37:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 825A519C08; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E49AD19BDB; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:37:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B705419BB7; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:36:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandy.gong (unknown [61.157.255.56]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAE4619BCF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:36:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandy.gong (IDENT:1000@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandy.gong (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB6IVqNl001899 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:31:52 +0800 Received: (from sandy@localhost) by sandy.gong (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB6IVpW2001898 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:31:51 +0800 X-Authentication-Warning: sandy.gong: sandy set sender to mrgongxun@hotmail.com using -r From: mrgongxun@hotmail.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <3FD22097.mail1GP1PI5TV@hotmail.com> User-Agent: nail 10.4 1/19/03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] CJK Support Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:31:51 +0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_RFCI,SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, USER_AGENT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Can I input CJK characters? There should be japanese ones. But I can speak no japannese. Or are there some hints writeing(sorry wti, oh no, writing) a input method? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 6 21:22:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 6 21:22:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11286 invoked by uid 1020); 6 Dec 2003 21:22:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11282 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2003 21:22:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 6 Dec 2003 21:22:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0350A19BD5; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4828B19C02; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:22:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 85CC119B97; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:21:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail501.nifty.com (mail501.nifty.com [202.248.37.209]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 447B819BDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 07:20:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (eatkyo281205.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp [219.97.48.205])by mail501.nifty.com with ESMTP id hB6CKiUj014032 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:20:44 +0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: <3FD22097.mail1GP1PI5TV@hotmail.com> References: <3FD22097.mail1GP1PI5TV@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E20F11E-27E6-11D8-A9CC-000A95C48158@nifty.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Moroo Jun Subject: Re: [9fans] CJK Support To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:20:45 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On 2003/12/07, at 3:31, mrgongxun@hotmail.com wrote: > Can I input CJK characters? There should be japanese ones. But I can > speak no japannese. Or are there some hints writeing(sorry wti, oh no, > writing) a input method? try ktrans http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9_doc/s39.html Is it works on Release 4? 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Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:12:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] CJK Support From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <3FD22097.mail1GP1PI5TV@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tgrupsvysfhnvtdqphbvkqrqkr" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:16:28 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tgrupsvysfhnvtdqphbvkqrqkr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you're looking at entering just a few foreign chars man 6 keyboard (how to type characters) cat /lib/keyboard for desctiptions of compound chars translations. andrey --upas-tgrupsvysfhnvtdqphbvkqrqkr Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca ([136.159.7.68]) by plan9.ucalgary.ca; 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Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:31:52 +0800 Received: (from sandy@localhost) by sandy.gong (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB6IVpW2001898 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:31:51 +0800 X-Authentication-Warning: sandy.gong: sandy set sender to mrgongxun@hotmail.com using -r From: mrgongxun@hotmail.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <3FD22097.mail1GP1PI5TV@hotmail.com> User-Agent: nail 10.4 1/19/03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] CJK Support Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 02:31:51 +0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 required=6.8 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Been-Here-Already: andrey Can I input CJK characters? There should be japanese ones. But I can speak no japannese. Or are there some hints writeing(sorry wti, oh no, writing) a input method? --upas-tgrupsvysfhnvtdqphbvkqrqkr-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 7 02:24:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 7 02:24:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 18319 invoked by uid 1020); 7 Dec 2003 02:24:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18315 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2003 02:24:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 02:24:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B3AFA19C52; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98A6519C48; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:24:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A5E3D19C36; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:23:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (nan-smtp-19.noos.net [212.198.2.119]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5986419BFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 12:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5760 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2003 17:23:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coma) ([81.64.132.185]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.119 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 6 Dec 2003 17:23:23 -0000 Message-ID: <0c9101c3bc1b$ab0869a0$b9844051@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] CJK Support MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:09:10 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > if you're looking at entering just a few foreign chars man 6 keyboard > (how to type characters) that does not address the problem. while everyone's 'amused to death' and writing drivers for whacko h/w i'd like to be able to type characters on small n number of keyboards (where n > 1). this is an essential part of any install process -- all the world is not CONUS qwerty. internationaliSation is hard and plan 9 does it badly. yup, so we got Runes [for all those Zep fans out there] but for the people who have never seen a CONUS qwerty keyboard it's gonna be tricky. even if you have used one it's still hard. if you can't install it, well, it's not gonna be used. it doesn't matter how good the ideas are or the technology is. if you can't install it (or give up in disgust), well it's not gonna be used. btw: this is limited to roman alphabets -- no, this is wrong, it's limited to the case that when you hit a key it should produce the same character that is marked on the keytop [russian reminded me of this]; japanese and chinese pose a real nightmare. i've seen how the japanese address the problem and it's a real mess. however, with touch screens, mouse pads, etc and character recognition you could write it, but it's impractical for coding and installation. bbtw: The knights rush into a cave, huffing and puffing, to take cover from the vicious onslaught of the Killer Rabbit. Arthur: RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!! Bedevere: Okay, how many did we lose? Arthur: Well...Gawain...Ector...and Bors. That's five. Bedevere: Three, Sire! Arthur: Three. And we can't risk another try, that rabbit's dynamite! All: Hmmmm.. Robin: Maybe if we attack it, it will get confused, and make a mistake! (pause) Arthur: Like what? (longer pause) Robin: Ummmm.... Lancelot: Have we got bows? Arthur: (quickly) No. Galahad: (brightly) We *have* the Holy Hand Grenade, Sir! Arthur: Of course! 'Tis one of the sacred relics that Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother Maynard! Bring out the Holy Hand Grenade! Monks: (Chant) Die Jesu domine, Dona eis requiem. Die Jesu domine, Dona eis requiem. (Pause. Arthur examines the hand grenade, turning it over in his hands.) Arthur: How does it....How does it work? High Priest: I know not, my leige. Arthur: Consult the book of Armaments! High Priest: Armaments Chapter One, verses nine through twenty-seven: Brother Maynard: And Saint Attila raised the Holy Hand Grenade up on high saying, "Oh Lord, Bless us this Holy Hand Grenade, and with it smash our enemies to tiny bits." And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs, and stoats, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and lima bean- High Priest: Skip a bit, brother. Brother Maynard: And then the Lord spake, saying: "First, shalt thou take out the holy pin. Then shalt thou count to three. No more, no less. *Three* shall be the number of the counting, and the number of the counting shall be three. *Four* shalt thou not count, and neither count thou two, excepting that thou then goest on to three. Five is RIGHT OUT. Once the number three, being the third number be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade to-wards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it. Amen. All: Amen. Arthur: Right! (pulls pin) One! Two! Five! Bedevere: Three, Sire!! Arthur: Three! (throws hand grenade at the Killer Rabbit) (holy music) KABOOM. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 01:50:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 01:50:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30244 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 01:50:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30240 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 01:50:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 01:50:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3619F19C86; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9D2419C38; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:50:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D60EC19B60; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:49:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from web60506.mail.yahoo.com (web60506.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.127]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 13BCC19B4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:49:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20031207164902.80560.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.112.132] by web60506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:49:02 PST From: "Dennis D. Jensen" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:49:02 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, I wanted to try out plan9 on my newly bought thinkpad x23. It is light and comes with absolutely no disk or cd drives. I use an USB connected cdrom writer when I want to boot something. Apparantly the plan9.iso cannot recognize the storage via USB. Does anybody know a remedy for this? I currently still have a win2k on a reduced partion (soon to be replaced), but I cannot immediately see how that would help me booting plan9. 9load just stops and asks "boot from:". Note: I've mostly used Debian GNU/Linux in the past (and Gentoo, Suse, Mandrake, FreeBSD), but finally decided to try out plan9. I've used 9wm, rc, sam and wily for over a year, grown to like it more than anything else in GNU/Linux-land, and now wants to try out the real thing. (-: I mainly stayed in the console until I got 9wm. I plan on installing a GNU/Linux anyway (probably Gentoo) and get rid of win2k. I've gotten used to have several distributions lying around... Would there be any improvement on possibility of booting things from GNU/Linux? Is there another iso-image or such thing I could download to bootstrap plan9-installation? In hope and best regards, Dennis Decker Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 03:40:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 03:40:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1043 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 03:40:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1039 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 03:40:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 03:40:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 376AE19C50; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:40:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F099A19C38; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:40:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A2A6B19BB5; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A9F519BDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 13:39:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AT3n2-0000fe-Vy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:37:56 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:49:02 PST." <20031207164902.80560.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2580.1070822274.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:37:54 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I wanted to try out plan9 on my newly bought thinkpad > x23. It is light and comes with absolutely no disk or > cd drives. I use an USB connected cdrom writer when I > want to boot something. > > Apparantly the plan9.iso cannot recognize the storage > via USB. Does anybody know a remedy for this? I unfortunately, i don't think we can handle the usb cd drives. if you have a usb floppy drive you could download a boot disk and do a network install. (we don't really handle the usb floppy drives either but the bios tricks us enough that it's okay.) russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 10:47:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 10:47:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17108 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 10:47:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17104 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 10:47:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 10:47:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 27DDC19B62; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64B9919B77; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:47:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 33B0619B4C; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00B25199F9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:46:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] CJK Support From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <9E20F11E-27E6-11D8-A9CC-000A95C48158@nifty.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:36:19 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > try ktrans > http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9_doc/s39.html > > Is it works on Release 4? Yes, I'm using it now. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 10:52:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 10:52:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17483 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 10:52:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17478 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 10:52:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 10:52:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EF99619BFC; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 682D119B81; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BB9FA19B81; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:51:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B06119A11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:51:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7c437f91eff8fa39d8af9bbbbfceaf47@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] CJK Support From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <3FD22097.mail1GP1PI5TV@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:41:20 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Can I input CJK characters? There should be japanese ones. But I can speak no japannese. Or are there some hints writeing(sorry wti, oh no, writing) a input method? I don't think Chinese(C) Japanese(J) and Koean(K) should be called in one group, because those three are quite different language each other. I can read some of Hanji written by Chinese in a way of Japanese translated, however, many of modern Chinese Hanji different from Kanji we are using. For Korean character, I have no idea even those could be read somehow. So, please don't deal those three languages in a group. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 11:54:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 11:54:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21725 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 11:54:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21721 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 11:54:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 11:54:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 806F1199BC; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86A6419A7D; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:54:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2898E19A71; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:53:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20838199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:52:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB82qnTS000574 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:52:49 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB82qnwv024236 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:52:49 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB82qnd4004258 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:52:49 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Subject: [9fans] creating a plan 9 partition in the MIDDLE of a disk Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:52:48 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a disk which has a Plan 9 partition in the middle: (on Linux ...) [root@q plan9]# fdisk /dev/hde Command (m for help): p Disk /dev/hde: 2 heads, 32 sectors, 490 cylinders Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 bytes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hde2 130 490 11552 39 Plan 9 (now to Plan 9) disk/prep /dev/sdC0/plan9 no plan9 partition table found empty 0 23104 (23104 sectors, 11.28 MB) >>> a nvram start sector: 0 end [0..23104] 100 ?overlaps with the pbs and/or the partition table >>> ok, what silly mistake am I making? thanks ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 12:12:30 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 12:12:30 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22581 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 12:12:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22577 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 12:12:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 12:12:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 577EC19A98; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:12:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CCEE19BCE; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:12:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1C80719B38; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69CF019B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:11:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATBnZ-0000Mw-K2 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:11:01 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] creating a plan 9 partition in the MIDDLE of a disk In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 07 Dec 2003 19:52:48 MST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1420.1070853055.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:10:55 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have a disk which has a Plan 9 partition in the middle: > > (on Linux ...) > [root@q plan9]# fdisk /dev/hde > > Command (m for help): p > > Disk /dev/hde: 2 heads, 32 sectors, 490 cylinders > Units = cylinders of 64 * 512 bytes > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hde2 130 490 11552 39 Plan 9 > > > (now to Plan 9) > > disk/prep /dev/sdC0/plan9 > no plan9 partition table found > empty 0 23104 (23104 sectors, 11.28 MB) > >>> a nvram > start sector: 0 > end [0..23104] 100 > ?overlaps with the pbs and/or the partition table > >>> the partition table is sector 1 (the second sector). russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 18:52:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 18:52:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13912 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 18:52:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13908 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 18:52:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 18:52:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7767319B02; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 04:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E40A519B5A; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 04:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 23562199D6; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 04:51:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0755619A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 04:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hB89oE7F000496 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:50:15 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] CJK Support Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE056156@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] CJK Support Thread-Index: AcO9LgLnWhu2WNcNQPKO+90MVCUyzQAQU3Fw From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:51:09 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I don't think Chinese(C) Japanese(J) and Koean(K) should be called > So, please don't deal those three languages > in a group. I think what he meant was 'characters from the Unicode CJK Unified = Ideographs block(s)'. I cannot say if kanji equals jiantizi/fantizi in real life usage; my japanese is not good enough to quote Koujien. Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 19:12:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 19:12:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14714 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 19:12:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14710 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 19:12:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 19:12:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7B39119B81; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C03D19B12; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:12:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 53F9919B12; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86EAE19B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:10:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1ATIK6-0004fm-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:09:02 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Sujan Gautam Message-ID: <86dc1627.0312040357.1bd20a9a@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:08:26 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi I recently installed plan 9 on my dell dimension desktop using the wiki notes. I used fossil as my filesystem. How do I stay upto date? The notes on the webpage seems to be for kfs. The website also talks about venti. What is venti? Is it a seperate partition? How do I set it up? I am a newbie so please bear with me. -Sujan Gautam From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 19:12:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 19:12:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14721 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 19:12:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14717 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 19:12:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 19:12:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C8B4D19C78; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F195B19C5B; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:12:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4CBF419B77; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:11:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A21C19B8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1ATIK6-0004fs-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:09:02 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Space Beginner Message-ID: <8e91d3bc.0312041945.4965e0cd@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Monitor Trouble At 4th Edition Install Disk Bootup (Quick Fix: 3rd Edition Anywhere, Anyone?) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:08:54 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The monitor trouble are lots and lots of horizontal distortion at install diskette bootup. You can see more than five copies of the installation screen, all of them all set to go and very tempting. The 3rd edition never caused this problem, and naturally I can't find any copy I ever had of it. Monitor card is ATI Xpert98; it appears on the Bell Labs "worked on 3rd edition, not tried on 4th" list in the compatibility writeup. Thanks for the help! Quite a place here! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 19:18:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 19:18:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15018 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 19:18:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15014 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 19:18:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 19:18:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 70A2219C6A; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E936A19C7F; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:18:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CDF5719B12; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A855A19C5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 05:17:04 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hB8AG79a000689 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:16:07 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] Monitor Trouble At 4th Edition Install Disk Bootup (Quick Fix: 3rd Edition Anywhere, Anyone?) Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CC5@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] Monitor Trouble At 4th Edition Install Disk Bootup (Quick Fix: 3rd Edition Anywhere, Anyone?) Thread-Index: AcO9c966XWnRZuQ3TPGkfxIMtkCslQAAHCbQ From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:17:01 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The monitor trouble are lots and lots of horizontal distortion at > install diskette bootup. You can see more than five copies of the > installation screen, all of them all set to go and very tempting. The > 3rd edition never caused this problem, and naturally I can't find any > copy I ever had of it. Monitor card is ATI Xpert98; it appears on the > Bell Labs "worked on 3rd edition, not tried on 4th" list in the > compatibility writeup. Thanks for the help! Quite a place here! Looks like an unsupported Rage, in this case it must be a later one. Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 20:38:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 20:38:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17661 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 20:38:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17656 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 20:38:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 20:38:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2AF7219C99; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A74AB19C94; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:38:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1086A19C92; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E507519C87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:36:53 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hB8BZurR001314 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:35:56 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE056157@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? Thread-Index: AcO9c96bbDVwQD2KTduf2r5TyneFJwACmNDg From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:36:51 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I recently installed plan 9 on my dell dimension desktop using the > wiki notes. I used fossil as my filesystem. How do I stay upto date? > The notes on the webpage seems to be for kfs. OK, I don't get it. There seems to be some consensus that clientmount() shoud be 'mount -c /srv/boot /n/boot'. But in /sys/src/9/boot/local.c /srv/boot is created as 'srv -A fboot', which means only authentication is off; permission checking and arbitrary wstats are still standard. = This is clearly not enough for replica (confirmed by in vivo experiments).=20 So, what's the deal? Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 21:49:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 21:49:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19582 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 21:49:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19578 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 21:49:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 21:49:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6EFF219B82; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B51D219C9A; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:49:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0FD4B19B82; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:48:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7718519C95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:48:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <520c942f68a5ad26ff5417af917a4b49@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: t.lankots@aprote.ee, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:48:25 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I use the following: fn clientmount { echo 'srv -AWP replica'>>/srv/fscons;chmod 600 /srv/replica; mount -c /srv/replica /n/kfs } -AWP wasn't possible originally, it got added later. The chmod is there just so you can let others login once you've started this without giving them access to everything. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 23:50:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 23:50:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23794 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 23:50:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23786 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 23:50:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 23:50:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3DD6F19AD5; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C372519CA1; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:50:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5216019981; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11A20199EB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:49:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <822b091e47c9fa86d7691818fb2e42f1@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <86dc1627.0312040357.1bd20a9a@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:53:15 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Hi > I recently installed plan 9 on my dell dimension desktop using the > wiki notes. I used fossil as my filesystem. How do I stay upto date? > The notes on the webpage seems to be for kfs. I'll update the notes for fossil later today. > > The website also talks about venti. What is venti? Is it a seperate > partition? How do I set it up? venti is described in /sys/doc/venti/ setting up venti is described in: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Setting_up_Venti/index.html andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 8 23:52:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 8 23:52:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23901 invoked by uid 1020); 8 Dec 2003 23:52:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23897 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 23:52:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 23:52:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E65FB199EB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:52:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4206C19CA0; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:52:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 964B219B8C; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97D1C199FC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8EpRTS006762 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:51:29 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8EpRb9014746 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:51:27 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hB8EpRd4018631 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:51:27 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE056157@black.aprote.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:51:26 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Tiit Lankots wrote: > So, what's the deal? things are outta date on the replica front, and people have different solutions so far, all local hacks to deal with the problem. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 00:00:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 00:00:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24180 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 00:00:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24176 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:00:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:00:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CEC2619CAF; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3616C19CB2; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:00:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 58FC019CAD; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:59:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEE2B19B16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATMqW-00012X-DK for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:58:48 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Monitor Trouble At 4th Edition Install Disk Bootup (Quick Fix: 3rd Edition Anywhere, Anyone?) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 12:17:01 +0200." <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CC5@black.aprote.com> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3999.1070895522.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:58:42 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > The monitor trouble are lots and lots of horizontal distortion at > > install diskette bootup. You can see more than five copies of the > > installation screen, all of them all set to go and very tempting. The > > 3rd edition never caused this problem, and naturally I can't find any > > copy I ever had of it. Monitor card is ATI Xpert98; it appears on the > > Bell Labs "worked on 3rd edition, not tried on 4th" list in the > > compatibility writeup. Thanks for the help! Quite a place here! > > Looks like an unsupported Rage, in this case it must be a later one. no, the xpert98 should be working. perhaps you should try a different monitor setting or a lower resolution to get going? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 00:02:27 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 00:02:27 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24226 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 00:02:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24222 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:02:26 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:02:26 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8813119CCB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE43419CBA; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:02:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B234F19CA6; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:01:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 193AD19CA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:01:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATMsd-00013B-NO for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:00:59 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 13:36:51 +0200." <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE056157@black.aprote.com> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <4039.1070895658.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 10:00:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > I recently installed plan 9 on my dell dimension desktop using the > > wiki notes. I used fossil as my filesystem. How do I stay upto date? > > The notes on the webpage seems to be for kfs. > > OK, I don't get it. There seems to be some consensus that clientmount() > shoud be 'mount -c /srv/boot /n/boot'. But in /sys/src/9/boot/local.c > /srv/boot is created as 'srv -A fboot', which means only authentication > is off; permission checking and arbitrary wstats are still standard. = > This is clearly > not enough for replica (confirmed by in vivo experiments).=20 > So, what's the deal? the deal is that for the local file system, it's okay not to do authentication. kfs never did, for bootstrapping reasons, and so i made the fossil boot process do the same. otherwise you'd need to run an auth server just to boot a standalone laptop. it's only for booting, not for pulling. i just put myself in sys and remove the -u from the proto file, and then that's enough for replica (and all the created files get owned by me, which is no problem for me). if you have a special system account you could still do the same, as long as you're willing to give up on things being owned by sys. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 00:11:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 00:11:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24535 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 00:11:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24531 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 00:11:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 00:11:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DC10019CCA; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C5EC719CBA; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:11:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9AD5019B4A; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:10:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B580F19ADD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8FAOnK016653 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:10:24 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hB8FAOqZ016649 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:10:24 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: <520c942f68a5ad26ff5417af917a4b49@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:10:24 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, David Presotto wrote: > fn clientmount { echo 'srv -AWP replica'>>/srv/fscons;chmod 600 /srv/replica; mount -c /srv/replica /n/kfs } > why not just add that to the /dist/replica/network script on sources? with appropriate checks whether the system is running kfs or fossil and whether $user can write to /srv/fscons we won't need to worry about it too much. i can send you a sample script for that. can you explain the chmod 600? it appears that /srv/replica is 600 already after the srv command is issued... andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 01:20:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 01:20:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26655 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 01:20:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26651 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 01:20:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 01:20:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9CC1719B85; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCCCC19C87; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:20:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 88D6B19A76; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:19:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF35319B85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:19:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (fine1008.math.princeton.edu [128.112.16.123]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB8GJ7XG018899 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:19:07 -0500 Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8GJ6Vp018110 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:19:07 -0500 Message-Id: <200312081619.hB8GJ6Vp018110@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Monitor Trouble At 4th Edition Install Disk Bootup (Quick Fix: 3rd Edition Anywhere, Anyone?) In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "Russ Cox" message dated "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 09:58:42 -0500." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:19:06 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > The monitor trouble are lots and lots of horizontal distortion at > > > install diskette bootup. You can see more than five copies of the > > > installation screen, all of them all set to go and very tempting. The > > > 3rd edition never caused this problem, and naturally I can't find any > > > copy I ever had of it. Monitor card is ATI Xpert98; it appears on the > > > Bell Labs "worked on 3rd edition, not tried on 4th" list in the > > > compatibility writeup. Thanks for the help! Quite a place here! > > > > Looks like an unsupported Rage, in this case it must be a later one. > > no, the xpert98 should be working. > perhaps you should try a different monitor setting > or a lower resolution to get going? I've installed 4th editiion plan9 with an Xpert98. Unfortunately that machine now has a different video card, so I can't easily use it for testing. I don't remember what resolution I used, but at least 600x800x8 was working. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 01:22:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 01:22:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26703 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 01:22:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26699 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 01:22:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 01:22:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1733319C9A; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6097D19CA1; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:22:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 55CFC19B93; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C001C19A76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:21:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <92b43eb36ea693244ad844e2c6ff86b0@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:21:05 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I was being paranoid and hadn't checked. Sure give me a script. If I write one, its sure to have a dozen errors like fshalt. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 01:32:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 01:32:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27162 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 01:32:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27157 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 01:32:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 01:32:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 63D7419AEB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:32:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF49919C73; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:32:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6707519A9B; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A280E19B01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:31:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (fine1008.math.princeton.edu [128.112.16.123]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB8GVgXG019792 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:31:42 -0500 Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB8GVfVp018122 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:31:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200312081631.hB8GVfVp018122@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 In-reply-to: <20031207164902.80560.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031207164902.80560.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Dennis D. Jensen" message dated "Sun, 07 Dec 2003 08:49:02 -0800." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 11:31:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Don't get rid of Win2k just yet. It may be helpful in getting plan9 installed. In particular there is a DOS program ld which can load 9load from a FAT partition. You can use this as a replacement for the boot floppy. The plan9 installer can read the iso image from a FAT partition as well, so you can use that as a replacement for the install cd. Maybe someone with more experience and a better understanding of the installer can suggest a plan9.ini to use. I think it should be possible to make this work even if you never get the cd drive working. > Hello, > > I wanted to try out plan9 on my newly bought thinkpad > x23. It is light and comes with absolutely no disk or > cd drives. I use an USB connected cdrom writer when I > want to boot something. > > Apparantly the plan9.iso cannot recognize the storage > via USB. Does anybody know a remedy for this? I > currently still have a win2k on a reduced partion > (soon to be replaced), but I cannot immediately see > how that would help me booting plan9. 9load just stops > and asks "boot from:". > > Note: I've mostly used Debian GNU/Linux in the past > (and Gentoo, Suse, Mandrake, FreeBSD), but finally > decided to try out plan9. I've used 9wm, rc, sam and > wily for over a year, grown to like it more than > anything else in GNU/Linux-land, and now wants to try > out the real thing. (-: I mainly stayed in the console > until I got 9wm. > > I plan on installing a GNU/Linux anyway (probably > Gentoo) and get rid of win2k. I've gotten used to have > several distributions lying around... Would there be > any improvement on possibility of booting things from > GNU/Linux? Is there another iso-image or such thing I > could download to bootstrap plan9-installation? > > In hope and best regards, > Dennis Decker Jensen > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 04:32:46 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 04:32:46 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1569 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 04:32:45 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1565 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 04:32:45 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 04:32:45 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0CC8C19B54; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:32:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EE1B19BAB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:32:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 61A9419BAB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:31:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A72E219ABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB8JUsbV024372 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hB8JUsl28107 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:30:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312081930.hB8JUsl28107@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 08:10:24 MST." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 14:30:54 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) andrey mirtchovski writes: > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, David Presotto wrote: > > > fn clientmount { echo 'srv -AWP replica'>>/srv/fscons;chmod 600 /srv/replica; mount -c /srv/replica /n/kfs } > > > > why not just add that to the /dist/replica/network script on sources? with > appropriate checks whether the system is running kfs or fossil and whether > $user can write to /srv/fscons we won't need to worry about it too much. > > i can send you a sample script for that. > > can you explain the chmod 600? it appears that /srv/replica is 600 already > after the srv command is issued... I'll propose again that replica scripts attempt to dot a script called /dist/replica/site which could override things like the clientmount function for dfferent sites. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 06:21:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 06:21:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5455 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 06:21:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5451 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 06:21:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 06:21:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3D33319AC9; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5557E19C4D; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:21:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E9B219BDA; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:20:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F69619AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:20:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 135.104.9.111 ([135.104.9.111]) by plan9; Mon Dec 8 16:20:19 EST 2003 Message-ID: <001001c3bdd0$3a91b260$6f096887@bl.belllabs.com> From: "david presotto" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200312081930.hB8JUsl28107@augusta.math.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:14:12 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Isn't that what /dist/replica/network is? How many times indirects shall we go before we get to the file we're allowed to change. Andrey's script is fine by me. It gets it right in more cases than the old one. If you dinna like, it, replace it with your own. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Cross" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? > andrey mirtchovski writes: > > > > On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, David Presotto wrote: > > > > > fn clientmount { echo 'srv -AWP replica'>>/srv/fscons;chmod 600 /srv/replica; mount -c /srv/replica /n/kfs } > > > > > > > why not just add that to the /dist/replica/network script on sources? with > > appropriate checks whether the system is running kfs or fossil and whether > > $user can write to /srv/fscons we won't need to worry about it too much. > > > > i can send you a sample script for that. > > > > can you explain the chmod 600? it appears that /srv/replica is 600 already > > after the srv command is issued... > > I'll propose again that replica scripts attempt to dot a script called > /dist/replica/site which could override things like the clientmount > function for dfferent sites. > > - Dan C. > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 07:04:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 07:04:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7131 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 07:04:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7127 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 07:04:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:04:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 06CBB19BE0; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65FE119C90; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:04:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 07D9F19BDF; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from siaar2aa.compuserve.com (siaar2aa.compuserve.com [149.174.40.137]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2747C199D6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaar2aa.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-REL-2.10) id hB8M31Sx005334 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from myrealbox.com (sfr-tgn-sfr-vty12.as.wcom.net [216.192.37.12]) by siaar2aa.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-REL-2.10) with ESMTP id hB8M2xwZ005272 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FD4E72A.6080305@myrealbox.com> From: Country Joe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] [Fwd: Alt Gr Key for French keyboard] Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:03:38 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=FWD_MSG,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Bonjour list, Thanks to Andrey at Calgary University, I have Plan 9 installed on my Asus F7400 laptop with the French keyboard available at boot time by pressing F5. Now, while looking at the file /sys/src/cmd/usb/hid/kbd.c I was trying to enter the pound sign # while holding Alt Gr key and pressing the "3" key but it just gave me the character "3". On a French PC Keyboard certains characters are obtained by pressing simultaneously the Alt Gr key (right after the space bar) and the following upper keyboard keys : Pressing & holding Alt Gr With Gives My "Translation" 2 ~ Tild 3 # Pound Sign 4 { Open brace 5 [ Open Square Bracket 6 | Pipe sign 7 ` Apostophe 8 \ Back Slash 9 ^ Control Character 0 @ Elephant's Ear ] Closing Square Bracket + } Closing brace Is there any thing that I may do wrong or may do differently for now on to have all these characters available for modifying the kdb.c file for example ? Thanks for any clue. Philippe // From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 07:21:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 07:21:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7556 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 07:21:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7552 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 07:21:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:21:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BAB3B19C97; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 404D419CAE; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:21:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E4A2A19CA5; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45E6719B7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB8MKCbV015849 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hB8MKBl22870 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312082220.hB8MKBl22870@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:14:12 EST." <001001c3bdd0$3a91b260$6f096887@bl.belllabs.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:20:11 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "david presotto" writes: > > Isn't that what /dist/replica/network is? How many times indirects > shall we go before we get to the file we're allowed to change. No, it's not, it's just for updating from sources. And even if it were, it's not used by anything else. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 07:30:46 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 07:30:46 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7747 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 07:30:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7742 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 07:30:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:30:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2206319B7F; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:30:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C40C819CA6; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:30:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 38C5C19CA4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 426BC19BA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:29:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.100]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <228469-30958>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:23:05 -0500 Message-ID: <004b01c3bdd9$d005cda0$64844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3FD4E72A.6080305@myrealbox.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] [Fwd: Alt Gr Key for French keyboard] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:22:47 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=FWD_MSG,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Now, while looking at the file /sys/src/cmd/usb/hid/kbd.c I was > trying to enter the pound sign # while holding Alt Gr key and > pressing the "3" key but it just gave me the character "3". this is well known. iirc both alt and alt-gr generate 'compose' and then you can type an arbitrary Rune. this is just wrong. unfortunately, the kernel has changed so: http://www.insultant.net/repo/plan9/kbd.tar would have to be ported it to 4th ed. nemo has another solution, but i don't agree with it. btw: i'm typing this on azerty. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 08:47:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 08:47:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10941 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 08:47:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10937 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 08:47:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 08:47:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AA00819CB0; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 353F219CBB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 44A9919CAE; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:46:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web60506.mail.yahoo.com (web60506.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.127]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7F67A19CB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:46:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20031208234623.70016.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.112.132] by web60506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:46:23 PST From: "Dennis D. Jensen" Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <200312081631.hB8GVfVp018122@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --- John Stalker wrote: > Don't get rid of Win2k just yet. It may be helpful > in getting plan9 installed. In particular there is > a DOS program ld which can load 9load from a FAT > partition. You can use this as a replacement for > the > boot floppy. The plan9 installer can read the iso > image from a FAT partition as well, so you can > use that as a replacement for the install cd. I read about ld somewhere, it must have been the plan9-wiki. I'll go there again. ld -> 9load -> kernel on iso-image on fatfs -> install? Hmmm. That certainly sounds like an option if ld and 9load are up to it! Thank you, Dennis Decker Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 09:57:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 09:57:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15018 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 09:57:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15014 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 09:57:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 09:57:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2010419BF5; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CBDB19CA6; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:57:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5A41D19BAC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7760719B2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:55:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: <200312082220.hB8MKBl22870@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-eeuzewerheevepjxbavhnwrpcu" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:55:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-eeuzewerheevepjxbavhnwrpcu Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, I understand now, guess I'm just thick (never use anything except the network). --upas-eeuzewerheevepjxbavhnwrpcu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 8 17:21:29 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 8 17:21:27 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CECA919BB1; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:21:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CFB019CAA; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:21:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E4A2A19CA5; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45E6719B7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB8MKCbV015849 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hB8MKBl22870 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:20:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312082220.hB8MKBl22870@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:14:12 EST." <001001c3bdd0$3a91b260$6f096887@bl.belllabs.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:20:11 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "david presotto" writes: > > Isn't that what /dist/replica/network is? How many times indirects > shall we go before we get to the file we're allowed to change. No, it's not, it's just for updating from sources. And even if it were, it's not used by anything else. - Dan C. --upas-eeuzewerheevepjxbavhnwrpcu-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 10:21:50 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 10:21:50 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16465 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 10:21:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16461 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 10:21:49 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 10:21:49 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 27DC719BB4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 057A019C5A; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:21:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9185519AD4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6F9219ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATWYH-0003e3-OF for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:20:37 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:55:58 EST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14013.1070932836.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:20:36 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > No, it's not, it's just for updating from sources. And even if it were, > it's not used by anything else. here's a better question. if we fix things so that the pull files always use 9fs boot instead of 9fs kfs, is there any benefit to /dist/replica/site? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 10:31:21 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 10:31:21 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17612 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 10:30:55 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17587 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 10:30:49 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 10:30:49 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4E7C819C5A; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EE4C19CB8; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:30:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2A6F219CA1; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6261119AD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB91T6bV003267 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hB91T5l23935 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:29:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312090129.hB91T5l23935@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:20:36 EST." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:29:05 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "Russ Cox" writes: > > > No, it's not, it's just for updating from sources. And even if it were, > > it's not used by anything else. > > here's a better question. if we fix things so that > the pull files always use 9fs boot instead of 9fs kfs, > is there any benefit to /dist/replica/site? Bearing in mind that right now there's no benefit to site, since it doesn't exist, the only thing I could thing of would be to override applyopts (e.g., to strip out -u). Other users might come along, such as doing the `srv -AWP' trick, etc. Other than that? No, not right now, anyway. Since it's a zero-cost thing, plugging it in for the future wouldn't hurt much, though. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 10:38:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 10:38:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 18904 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 10:38:09 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18878 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 10:37:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 10:37:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3FE6D19CC9; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:37:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2D2B19CB7; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:37:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 624CA19BB9; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3A9E19AD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATWnd-0003il-47 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:36:29 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:29:05 EST." <200312090129.hB91T5l23935@augusta.math.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14305.1070933786.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:36:26 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > "Russ Cox" writes: > > > > > No, it's not, it's just for updating from sources. And even if it were, > > > it's not used by anything else. > > > > here's a better question. if we fix things so that > > the pull files always use 9fs boot instead of 9fs kfs, > > is there any benefit to /dist/replica/site? > > Bearing in mind that right now there's no benefit to site, since it > doesn't exist, this isn't fair -- the question is what the benefit would be if it were there. > the only thing I could thing of would be to override > applyopts (e.g., to strip out -u). Other users might come along, > such as doing the `srv -AWP' trick, etc. Other than that? No, not > right now, anyway. Since it's a zero-cost thing, plugging it in for > the future wouldn't hurt much, though. well, no. it does add to the complexity of the system, and as presotto said there are a lot of redirects already. i intended from the very beginning for people to customize /dist/replica/plan9 to suit their local systems. if there are more sensible defaults, i'd rather get them done right in the files to begin with than require everyone to edit /dist/replica/site. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 10:51:55 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 10:51:55 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19888 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 10:51:55 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19884 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 10:51:54 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 10:51:54 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E64E719BEB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:51:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAAC819BEC; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:51:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CCDA119A9C; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BC8E19A9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB91oZXG001677 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:50:35 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hB91oZfq024908 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:50:35 -0500 Message-Id: <200312090150.hB91oZfq024908@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 In-reply-to: <20031208234623.70016.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031208234623.70016.qmail@web60506.mail.yahoo.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Dennis D. Jensen" message dated "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:46:23 -0800." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:50:35 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I read about ld somewhere, it must have been the > plan9-wiki. I'll go there again. > > ld -> 9load -> kernel on iso-image on fatfs -> > install? > Hmmm. That certainly sounds like an option if ld and > 9load are up to it! > > Thank you, > Dennis Decker Jensen > It is, unfortunately, a bit more complicated than that. ld can load 9load and 9load can load a kernel, but not one on an iso image as far as I know. You need a kernel on your dos partition. This is not a big problem, just copy 9pcdisk from the install CD, which should be readable under Win2k, to C:. You will need a plan9.ini which tells 9load where to find this kernel, but that is not a big problem. It's after your kernel loads that the problems begin, since you don't have a plan9 userland. Normally the kernel would run an rc script named termrc, roughly analogous to an init script, but you don't have either the shell or the shell script until you've unpacked your iso image. You will need to create enough of a plan9 userland under Win2k to get things rolling. This should be possible, but it may take a few tries to get it right. I can try doing this on one of my machines to see where the pitfalls are, but I might not have time for a day or two. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 12:01:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 12:01:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25246 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 12:01:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25242 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 12:01:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 12:01:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ACB8D19BB6; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:01:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 248BC19BD4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:01:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CCD7F19BD4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0940519ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB930TbV009018 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:00:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hB930Sl24241 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:00:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312090300.hB930Sl24241@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:36:26 EST." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:00:28 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "Russ Cox" writes: > > Bearing in mind that right now there's no benefit to site, since it > > doesn't exist, > > this isn't fair -- the question is what the benefit would be > if it were there. Fair enough. > > the only thing I could thing of would be to override > > applyopts (e.g., to strip out -u). Other users might come along, > > such as doing the `srv -AWP' trick, etc. Other than that? No, not > > right now, anyway. Since it's a zero-cost thing, plugging it in for > > the future wouldn't hurt much, though. > > well, no. it does add to the complexity of the system, What complexity? An if and a `.'? I understand the argument that if you add an if and a . everywhere, pretty soon we end up with a bloated system, but I don't think this is the straw that's going to break the camel's back. > and as presotto said there are a lot of redirects already. I didn't understand that comment then, and I don't really understand it now. What's being redirected here? The idea is just to provide a mechanism to interject local policy. > i intended from the very beginning for people to customize > /dist/replica/plan9 to suit their local systems. > > if there are more sensible defaults, i'd rather get them > done right in the files to begin with than require everyone > to edit /dist/replica/site. The point isn't to require anything, but to provide mechanism. Of course, optimizing for the common case by providing sensible defaults so the majority can ignore /dist/replica/site should remain the primary goal, but I don't understand how adding `site=/dist/replica/site; if ( test -r $site ) . $site' is going to hurt much. Or, even better, have the scripts dot a defaults file, which might look for a site override. So much of the replica scripts are boilerplate, it just seems like a mistake not to provide a defaulting mechanism. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 13:04:50 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 13:04:50 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29372 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 13:04:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29368 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 13:04:49 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 13:04:49 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7856D19AC6; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCD0019BE7; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:04:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 08C9A19A11; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:03:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (cpu.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A409519B17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:02:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <200312090300.hB930Sl24241@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:02:56 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I believe rsc and presotto mean to say `indirection', not `redirection'. To see the potential problem with just adding another level of indirection everywhere, consider the evolution of Lunix's filename space. Originally people edited files, including in places like /etc, directly. Then people began to worry that if they changed those files, their changes would get stomped on by the next OS upgrade from their vendor. In that world, checking changed files into RCS would let one just check them out again after an upgrade; in our world, we can just copy them out of the dump. But instead, people created a parallel file tree under /usr/local (or /local [a symlink] in places where people got tired of typing "/usr/local" endlessly). So additions and changes in /usr/local were now thought to be safe against upgrades. But then some vendors caught on to /usr/local and started shipping free-ish software pre-installed in /usr/local. And the gnu-ish folk decided that all non-vendors software should be installed in /usr/local. And some organisations wanted to share a standard /usr/local across their machines, including suborganisations. U of Toronto ended up with /csri/local, /cs/local, /ai/local and probably others that I've forgotten; I think U of Waterloo took it even farther (they've been much more ideological ☺). So what's local, and who owns it? At various times, these owners have existed: - AT&T's System V maintainers (actually I think they populated /usr/lbin) - SGI, who shipped their own programs in /usr/local (it was local relative to System V), and probably other OEMs - campus computer centers, adding locally-installed (often imported) software to vendor distributions - departments - maintainers of clusters of machines - owners or users of individual machines Aside from the issue of name conflicts (who gets to control /usr/local?), more and more of the file system becomes fossilised boilerplate that most people (including administrators) are terrified (or forbidden) to touch. If you're in a big enough organisation, you can end up with /company/local/ /company/division/local /company/division/dept/local /company/division/dept/group/local /company/division/dept/group/my-machine/local I think we've made a very small step in this direction with termrc.local, /sys/lib/sysconfig/termrc, namespace.local and namespace.$sysname. One litmus test for when fear is driving these decisions is when people become afraid to edit files with `local' in their names and want to add another level of indirection. With the availability of dumps (or RCS on Lunix), there's little reason to be afraid of editing files. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 13:12:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 13:12:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29894 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 13:12:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29889 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 13:12:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 13:12:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 795A219C9F; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E86A199FB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7FDBC19C8E; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0DD12199FB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7428 invoked by uid 991); 9 Dec 2003 04:10:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20031209041058.7427.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Geoff Collyer message dated "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:02:56 -0800." From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:10:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) | With the | availability of dumps (or RCS on Lunix), there's little reason to be | afraid of editing files. The need to put things back isn't the problem; it's the need to notice that something got stomped and the study required to integrate local edits with the new reality. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 13:35:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 13:35:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31332 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 13:35:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31328 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 13:35:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 13:35:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 337A019B58; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C70A19C93; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:35:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 53F6119AD4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:34:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (cpu.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3F45199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:33:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5495476bdab698252d87ccb1a6705a5b@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <20031209041058.7427.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:33:48 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) At least with replica, you have to use `pull -s' to overwrite a locally-changed file, so it's pretty clear what's been stomped, particularly with -v. After that, diff `{yesterday file} file has been enough to let me quickly decide how to proceed. The Lunix world is of course quite different. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 13:42:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 13:42:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31703 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 13:42:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31699 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 13:42:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 13:42:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D735419CAE; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42BAE19CB4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:42:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 32E6819A17; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00F4D19C93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:40:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <056f5efadae2172e5edd287895b99756@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:44:48 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > With the > availability of dumps (or RCS on Lunix), there's little reason to be > afraid of editing files. I've gotten used to making pulls every morning (still done by hand, I'm not that important to have it in a cron job yet). I examine the output looking for stuff that is "locally modified", then I carelessly^Wcarefully accept it with -s and run "yesterday -c" on whatever I don't like... That's still easier than running 'up2date' on a RedHat machine or 'cvsup' on a *BSD box. By the way, my argument against the multi-level indirection is that it's in such important places (fossil, replica, ndb) that explaining it becomes hard. How many times has 'why is pull not working?' been answered on this list? How many of those answers involved something completely non-obvious to a new Plan 9 user? Plan 9, as recently reiterated, is supposed to be about simplifying administration as much as it is about offering a unified distributed environment. my $0.02(CAD): andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 13:55:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 13:55:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32360 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 13:55:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32356 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 13:55:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 13:55:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7A77019CBB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE16119CB9; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:55:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9971319B89; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:54:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C92E519CA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB94skbV015409 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hB94skl24638 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:54:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312090454.hB94skl24638@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:02:56 PST." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:54:45 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) What Scott said. My concerns here stem from my days as a Lunix system administrator, and the difficulty of keeping localized changes straight in the face of vendor changes; RCS, though used, didn't do everything, because vendors started making necessary changes that simply checking a file out from RCS would overwrite. All the diffing and patching became tedious; multiplying that over hundreds of machines with different functions in tens of different administrative domains quickly leads to a lot of tedious work. While Plan 9's architecture really attenuates the problem, I'd like to try and eliminate it. This isn't Unix; there's only one vendor. As for division of change-authority (for lack of a better term), it's really simple: anything with the name local in it is off limits for any `vendors' (ie, Bell Labs). Everything else is `change at your own peril' for everyone else. Create /dist/replica/defaults, that tries to dot /dist/replica/defaults.local. Problem solved. It could be argued that the proliferation of hacks Geoff mentions in Lunix-land happened because no one ever had a decent convention that allowed for a clear seperation of authority between vendors and sites. We have an opportunity with Plan 9 to try and do it right, and we should. Rob's paper on the death of systems research lists system administration as a problem area worthy of investigation; instead of sticking our collective heads in the sand and pretending this is a non-problem, let's tackle it head on and figure out a good way to address it. Is all the .local stuff perfect? No, not really, and the warnings are good, because they give us perspective. But, what's a better alternative? I'm all eyes. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 16:47:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 16:47:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10157 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 16:47:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10153 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 16:47:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 16:47:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 67BB419A92; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:47:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 159D619CC0; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:47:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5E77D19A80; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CE5F19A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40da74724f66cf3519d331be4599ba0d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <200312090454.hB94skl24638@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:47:04 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > better alternative? I'm all eyes. Sigh, I know only one usage of "I'm all ears". Sorry, I couldn't regist how english is difficult to me. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 16:56:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 16:56:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10663 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 16:56:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10656 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 16:56:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 16:56:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AC97819A80; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A15CD19CB8; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:56:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B7B1E19A80; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E1D6619B1B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73552 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 07:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:55:07 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id hB97t6L139227; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:55:06 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <736a4e0c78466e06ed007d90655c73f8@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:55:04 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > fn clientmount { echo 'srv -AWP replica'>>/srv/fscons;chmod 600 /srv/replica; mount -c /srv/replica /n/kfs } There is a window in this script if the creation mode of /srv/replica is not 600, is it? Actually, the mode is 600 and the window is always closed. My concern is what would be the solution if the mode has not been 600? -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 17:15:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 17:15:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12232 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 17:15:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12228 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 17:15:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 17:15:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EAACB19CD3; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:15:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A09519CC8; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:15:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CE32F19CC0; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:14:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1F4A199D2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:14:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [Fwd: Alt Gr Key for French keyboard] From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <004b01c3bdd9$d005cda0$64844051@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:14:37 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=FWD_MSG,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> Now, while looking at the file /sys/src/cmd/usb/hid/kbd.c I was >> trying to enter the pound sign # while holding Alt Gr key and >> pressing the "3" key but it just gave me the character "3". > > this is well known. iirc both alt and alt-gr generate 'compose' > and then you can type an arbitrary Rune. this is just wrong. With the change in /sys/src/9/pc/kbd.c that comes along with usbhid kbd you get AltGr generated for the right alt instead of Compose. Perhaps you didnt integrate that change into your kernel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 17:18:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 17:18:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12438 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 17:18:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12434 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 17:18:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 17:18:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7B57C19AF9; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5887419CC8; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:18:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B669519AF9; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31F3E19C2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:17:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] [Fwd: Alt Gr Key for French keyboard] From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <3FD4E72A.6080305@myrealbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tayqubvfvwqqdgmalipaanidkl" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:17:35 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=FWD_MSG,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tayqubvfvwqqdgmalipaanidkl Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Drop me a line off list to let me know what you did and I'll try to help to get the french kbd working for you. hth --upas-tayqubvfvwqqdgmalipaanidkl Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Mon Dec 8 23:04:32 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1C56A19B76; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65FE119C90; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:04:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 07D9F19BDF; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from siaar2aa.compuserve.com (siaar2aa.compuserve.com [149.174.40.137]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2747C199D6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaar2aa.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-REL-2.10) id hB8M31Sx005334 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from myrealbox.com (sfr-tgn-sfr-vty12.as.wcom.net [216.192.37.12]) by siaar2aa.compuserve.com (8.12.9/8.12.7/SUN-REL-2.10) with ESMTP id hB8M2xwZ005272 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FD4E72A.6080305@myrealbox.com> From: Country Joe User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, fr-fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Subject: [9fans] [Fwd: Alt Gr Key for French keyboard] Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 21:03:38 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=FWD_MSG,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bonjour list, Thanks to Andrey at Calgary University, I have Plan 9 installed on my Asus F7400 laptop with the French keyboard available at boot time by pressing F5. Now, while looking at the file /sys/src/cmd/usb/hid/kbd.c I was trying to enter the pound sign # while holding Alt Gr key and pressing the "3" key but it just gave me the character "3". On a French PC Keyboard certains characters are obtained by pressing simultaneously the Alt Gr key (right after the space bar) and the following upper keyboard keys : Pressing & holding Alt Gr With Gives My=20 "Translation" 2 ~ T= ild 3 # =20 Pound Sign 4 { =20 Open brace 5 [ =20 Open Square Bracket 6 | =20 Pipe sign 7 ` =20 Apostophe 8 \ =20 Back Slash 9 ^ =20 Control Character 0 @ =20 Elephant's Ear =B0 ] = =20 Closing Square Bracket + } =20 Closing brace Is there any thing that I may do wrong or may do differently for now on to have all these characters available for modifying the kdb.c file for example ? Thanks for any clue. Philippe // --upas-tayqubvfvwqqdgmalipaanidkl-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 18:35:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 18:35:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16528 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 18:35:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16524 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 18:35:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 18:35:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2AD3B19C43; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E4ED19CD6; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:35:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E0DCE19CB6; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:34:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from web60507.mail.yahoo.com (web60507.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.128]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1E08819C43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:34:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20031209093437.69764.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [130.225.26.243] by web60507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:34:37 PST From: "Dennis D. Jensen" Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <200312090150.hB91oZfq024908@math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 01:34:37 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --- John Stalker wrote: > You will need > to create > enough of a plan9 userland under Win2k to get things > rolling. What if I made a partition (fat16) with a copy of the plan9 cd, specificly for the purpose of installing plan9, and after installation removed that partition again? That should ensure a proper the userland. I can use a GNU/Linux live cd to do the partitioning job. > I can try doing this on one of my machines > to see where > the pitfalls are, but I might not have time for a > day or two. I don't have much time either, at least until the weekend, so there is no need to rush things. Thank you, Dennis Decker Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 18:42:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 18:42:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16780 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 18:42:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16776 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 18:42:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 18:42:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 81A6319CC1; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:42:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B97219CDA; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:42:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E611519CD6; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:41:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24E2019BE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 04:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1ATeKc-0003i5-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:39:02 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8e91d3bc.0312041945.4965e0cd@posting.google.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: Monitor Trouble At 4th Edition Install Disk Bootup (Quick Fix: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:37:11 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Space Beginner wrote: > ... Monitor card is ATI Xpert98; There were many variations of hardware sold under that name, not all of them supported by the Plan9 ATI driver. Seeing the image split into multiple vertical stripes like that is the usual symptom. Unless you can get the ATI driver fixed, you should try another card. I switched to NVIDIA GeForce3 cards and they have worked well. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 19:02:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 19:02:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17939 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 19:02:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17935 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 19:02:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 19:02:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E32F319CE7; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:02:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 977DA19CDE; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:02:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 30A2F19B7C; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:01:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C624019CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:00:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <20031209041058.7427.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-mllywnfkmhvdqhvxuvnskgskpi" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:59:32 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-mllywnfkmhvdqhvxuvnskgskpi Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit perhaps, but i think that's necessary anyway even with all the . this-and-that-local attempts, and in some ways they make it less obvious that something has changed. for instance, the main script might have changed the place the local part is invoked, or its context (environment variables, name space etc), thus changing the effect without giving you any warning. if instead you simply change the original script, you can see what happens in context, in one place, and applylog moans making it obvious that you need to diff to consider the changes. --upas-mllywnfkmhvdqhvxuvnskgskpi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1ATZEf-0003RG-4D; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:12:33 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1ATZEf-0003RG-4D for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:12:33 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 795A219C9F; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E86A199FB; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7FDBC19C8E; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0DD12199FB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 7428 invoked by uid 991); 9 Dec 2003 04:10:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20031209041058.7427.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Geoff Collyer message dated "Mon, 08 Dec 2003 20:02:56 -0800." From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:10:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) | With the | availability of dumps (or RCS on Lunix), there's little reason to be | afraid of editing files. The need to put things back isn't the problem; it's the need to notice that something got stomped and the study required to integrate local edits with the new reality. --upas-mllywnfkmhvdqhvxuvnskgskpi-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 19:31:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 19:31:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19191 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 19:31:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19187 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 19:31:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 19:31:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1920E19CDF; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B4FD19CE9; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:31:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 80C7219CDF; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:30:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29A6A19CDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:30:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21028248ca370ef204d9155e25d28dd8@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:28:43 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>perhaps, but i think that's necessary anyway even with all the . this-and-that-local attempts, >>and in some ways they make it less obvious that something has changed. i probably ought to have added that i've had exactly that trouble with /etc/rc.conf on FreeBSD, which overrides /etc/default/rc.conf, which configures /etc/too-many-rc-files # This is rc.conf - a file full of useful variables that you can set # to change the default startup behavior of your system. You should # not edit this file! Put any overrides into one of the ${rc_conf_files} it has advantages i suppose, especially when each component comes with its own contribution to /etc/* (except when it's /usr/local/etc) but in practice i found i needed to grep for all the instances of each variable that i thought i might need to change in order to decide whether and how to change it. tcp_extensions="YES" really i wanted "MAYBE" or "GOODQUESTION" or "YOUTELLME" or "YOU'RETHECOMPUTER!" i believe Linux applies fuzzy logic to this sort of thing. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 20:43:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 20:43:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21884 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 20:43:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21880 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 20:43:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 20:43:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1DDAD19CF6; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1CA519CF8; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:43:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 531A319CED; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8061119CEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:42:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: <200312090454.hB94skl24638@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:23:25 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i'm with dan on this point, i think. my concerns here, however, come from being a plan 9 administrator. we ran our own file server, and did overlays on top of 1127's files when we wanted something changed, just doing binds where we wanted them. it worked great, for the most part; a real testament to the strength of the architecture. the problems came when 1127 changed things. well, of *course* they did; it's a research system! our system of binds helped us manage local changes in a way that was easy to manage and track, but it required duplicating whole files (not to mention a /lib/namespace that was several hundred lines long!). it was frustrating when, once or twice a year, i'd have to track down some config file that'd changed and port the new changes in 1127's version into our version, when all we typically wanted was setting some variable differently than 1127 had. if "local" files exist (whatever they're called), they should all ship empty, or simply not exist. if something's not working right after some upgrade, it's easy to figure out if it's local site mods that're causing the error, and easy to tell where the changes - both from the "vendor" and the local user - are. i have to professionally (that is, i'm paid for it; saying nothing about the manner in which i do it) manage a hadfull of unix boxes, with some collection of GNU or other third-party software, and the mess around config and site localization there is horrid. i'd very much like to avoid duplicating that. but the current situation - which is, as dan said, essentially ignoring the issue - is far from ideal, too. things now are an order of magnitude easier to follow than in the linux/GNU world, but could be better still. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 21:14:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 21:14:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23166 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 21:14:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23162 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 21:14:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 21:14:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2FB9819A96; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9926619BFB; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:14:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4C41319CE9; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:13:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.noos.fr (nan-smtp-18.noos.net [212.198.2.118]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 664F1199EE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31582 invoked by uid 0); 9 Dec 2003 12:13:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coma) ([81.64.132.185]) (envelope-sender ) by 212.198.2.118 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 9 Dec 2003 12:13:04 -0000 Message-ID: <012201c3be4d$ab1a69a0$b9844051@insultant.net> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:12:08 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i'm with dan on this point so am i. wobber's and prusker's work we [PRL] used to update ultrix boxes nightly. get that config wrong and you had one broken lab. there was a global config and a local config (in this case one per machine). every site/machine is different and this behooves a 'local' config which is taken into account when updates are done. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 9 22:51:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 9 22:51:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26463 invoked by uid 1020); 9 Dec 2003 22:51:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26459 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 22:51:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 22:51:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2363D19CFA; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CDDD19D06; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:51:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 89B2519D05; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:50:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A872719CFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:49:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? In-Reply-To: <736a4e0c78466e06ed007d90655c73f8@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kvsrumbslxaxrrodqmgufztfhz" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:49:48 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kvsrumbslxaxrrodqmgufztfhz Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the mod wasn't 600 to begin with, you wouldn't run it while letting others connect to your system until you'ld made it 600. But, as has been pointed out, it already is 600... --upas-kvsrumbslxaxrrodqmgufztfhz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 9 02:56:35 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Dec 9 02:56:33 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E437719CBA; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0001B19BB9; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:56:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B7B1E19A80; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E1D6619B1B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 02:55:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73552 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 07:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:55:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 07:55:07 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id hB97t6L139227; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:55:06 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <736a4e0c78466e06ed007d90655c73f8@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:55:04 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > fn clientmount { echo 'srv -AWP replica'>>/srv/fscons;chmod 600 /srv/replica; mount -c /srv/replica /n/kfs } There is a window in this script if the creation mode of /srv/replica is not 600, is it? Actually, the mode is 600 and the window is always closed. 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From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <98199.1070982203.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 10:03:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > There were many variations of hardware sold under that name, > not all of them supported by the Plan9 ATI driver. Seeing > the image split into multiple vertical stripes like that is > the usual symptom. Unless you can get the ATI driver fixed, > you should try another card. I switched to NVIDIA GeForce3 > cards and they have worked well. all this is true, but if it worked under 3e, it should still work. russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 03:35:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 03:35:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2369 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 03:35:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2365 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 03:35:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 03:35:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 43AD319C17; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 236CA19CD2; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:35:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7A28419A2F; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:34:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from sigint.cs.purdue.edu (sigint.cs.purdue.edu [128.10.2.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDDD519D17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by sigint.cs.purdue.edu (Postfix, from userid 118) id 40804CD72; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) From: splite@purdue.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? Message-ID: <20031209183353.GA5257@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> References: <200312090454.hB94skl24638@augusta.math.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200312090454.hB94skl24638@augusta.math.psu.edu> X-Disclaimer: Any similarity to an opinion of Purdue is purely coincidental Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:33:53 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:54:45PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote: > But, what's a better alternative? I'm all eyes. The Windows registry? *ducks* I have to agree with Charles and Geoff. The only thing .local files buy you is overwrite protection, which is already provided by pull. You still have to check that your overrides in .local are valid. Is there a way around that problem that doesn't involve Star Trek-type AI or mind reading? Ultimately, it's the price one pays for the flexibility of expressing configuration info as shell scripts instead of a database (or registry) of predetermined, paramaterized, versioned configuration variables. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 04:26:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 04:26:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3565 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 04:26:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3561 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 04:26:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 04:26:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2650319B84; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:26:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1680919D37; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:26:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B1B1C19B84; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:25:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from edsac.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A0C019D30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:24:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 205.185.197.105 ([205.185.197.105]) by edsac; Tue Dec 9 14:23:24 EST 2003 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installed Plan 9, now what? References: <200312090454.hB94skl24638@augusta.math.psu.edu> <20031209183353.GA5257@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed From: Brantley Coile Organization: The Brantley Coile Company, Inc MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20031209183353.GA5257@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> User-Agent: Opera7.11/Win32 M2 build 2887 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 14:23:13 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:33:53 -0500, wrote: > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 11:54:45PM -0500, Dan Cross wrote: >> But, what's a better alternative? I'm all eyes. > > The Windows registry? *ducks* > > I have to agree with Charles and Geoff. The only thing .local files buy > you is overwrite protection, which is already provided by pull. You > still > have to check that your overrides in .local are valid. Is there a way > around that problem that doesn't involve Star Trek-type AI or mind > reading? > > Ultimately, it's the price one pays for the flexibility of expressing > configuration info as shell scripts instead of a database (or registry) > of predetermined, paramaterized, versioned configuration variables. > No no no no no no no no NOOOOOOO! (It had to be expressed in the most direct manner possible.) It was good that MS went the way of a central registry. We now know for sure that it's a very bad idea. 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Barham" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <055001c3bec1$6a449170$6739a8c0@hpn5415> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [9fans] venti workalike in Python Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:00:41 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I'm attempting to decipher the venti and vac code and write a workalike in Python. (packet.c had me bogged down for a while...) At this point I don't care that much about compatibility, and can't really test it as I don't have a running instance of Plan 9. But as has been noted here before, the venti procol is relatively trivial--hello, ping, read, write, goodbye, error, although the two auth messages appear to be unused for the moment?--so making it compatible at some point shouldn't be too much of a problem. Having said that, is there any documentation on the venti protocol apart from the source? I'm not planning on re-implementing venti's arena code but thought that it would be quick and easy for testing purposes to implement the back-end storage using something like dbm or, mea culpa, a relational database. (I added binary type support to the Python extension for SQLite with this in mind.) Thoughts? John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 11:33:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 11:33:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21873 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 11:33:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21869 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 11:33:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 11:33:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AAE5F19D59; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E98A519D5C; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:33:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C9D4119BF7; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03E1919D5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:32:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1ATu8e-000AtJ-Kf for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:31:44 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti workalike in Python In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:00:41 PST." <055001c3bec1$6a449170$6739a8c0@hpn5415> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <41867.1071023501.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:31:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'm attempting to decipher the venti and vac code and write a workalike in > Python. (packet.c had me bogged down for a while...) At this point I don't The discussion of the Vac file system format in /sys/doc/fossil.ps may be helpful. > care that much about compatibility, and can't really test it as I don't have > a running instance of Plan 9. But as has been noted here before, the venti > procol is relatively trivial--hello, ping, read, write, goodbye, error, > although the two auth messages appear to be unused for the moment?--so > making it compatible at some point shouldn't be too much of a problem. > Having said that, is there any documentation on the venti protocol apart > from the source? Not really, but here's a summary. Venti uses a simple RPC protocol with only a few messages: size[2] RError tag[1] error[s] size[2] QPing tag[1] size[2] RPing tag[1] size[2] QHello tag[1] version[s] uid[s] strength[1] ncrypto[1] crypto[ncrypto] ncodec[1] codec[ncodec] size[2] RHello tag[1] sid[s] crypto[1] codec[1] size[2] QGoodbye tag[1] size[2] QRead tag[1] score[20] type[1] 0[1] count[2] size[2] RRead tag[1] data[] size[2] QWrite tag[1] type[1] 0[3] data[] size[2] RWrite score[20] size[2] QSync tag[1] size[2] RSync tag[1] In the notation, field[s] indicates a string: a two-byte length followed by that many bytes. The actual message types are one-byte values: enum { VtRError = 1, VtQPing, VtRPing, VtQHello, VtRHello, VtQGoodbye, VtRGoodbye, /* not used */ VtQAuth0, /* not used */ VtRAuth0, /* not used */ VtQAuth1, /* not used */ VtRAuth1, /* not used */ VtQRead, VtRRead, VtQWrite, VtRWrite, VtQSync, VtRSync, VtMaxOp }; Transactions and tags are like in 9P, except that tags are one byte and the request messages have names beginning with Q instead of T. The strength, crypto, and codec stuff was never fleshed out and is essentially unused. > I'm not planning on re-implementing venti's arena code but thought that it > would be quick and easy for testing purposes to implement the back-end > storage using something like dbm or, mea culpa, a relational database. (I > added binary type support to the Python extension for SQLite with this in > mind.) Thoughts? We use Berkeley DB at MIT for another project to store 8kB blocks indexed by SHA1 hash. It's adequate. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 11:53:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 11:53:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23082 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 11:53:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23078 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 11:53:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 11:53:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C4DA219CEA; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 470E119D5D; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CA1F519D55; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (cpu.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E199C19D36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:51:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7494561ed812df061f215d9a8ac3fd1d@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti workalike in Python From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:51:48 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Berkeley DB has grown a lot over the years. I recently ported Ken's dbm library from V7 to native Plan 9, and modified it to store all integers on disk in big-endian order, so that dbm databases can be shared across architectures (there are still locking problems to be solved for concurrent access, though). I did the same for Chris Torek's extended dbm, mdbm, which adds multiple keys per value and the ability to have multiple databases open simultaneously. My mdbm port will also run on Unix, so one can share my mdbm databases across architectures there too. All of this has been only lightly exercised, but if you'd like a copy, let me know. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 18:01:08 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 18:01:08 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14660 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 18:01:07 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14655 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 18:01:06 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 18:01:06 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0BBC819ADC; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B30E19D5E; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:00:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1B9F619B24; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F96E19BCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 03:59:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Charles Forsyth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] double trouble Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:02:32 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The attached mail from 'caldo.demon.co.uk!forsyth' to 'plan9.bell-labs.com!9trouble' alias `local!9trouble' failed with error '/bin/upas/deliver: opening mailbox: permission denied'. the gist of the message (which i've resent to another address) was: if you use filterkit's pipeto with if(isspam) spool /mail/box/$USER/spam ensure chmod a+rw on /mail/box/$USER/L.spam or each delivery of spam will take a little time. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 21:12:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 21:12:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22469 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 21:12:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22464 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 21:12:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 21:12:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B6C2119D87; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A28219D7F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2308619D7A; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (p9auth.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F2C419CE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:11:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti workalike in Python From: Geoff Collyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:11:31 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've had a request, so I've added libdbm.tar and libmdbm.tar to my Plan 9 software page, http://www.collyer.net/~geoff/9. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 23:17:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 23:17:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26651 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 23:17:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26647 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 23:17:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 23:17:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 971F919D3B; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:17:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B8EB19D88; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:17:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 95B2519D86; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BA1E19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AU58Z-000CsS-2e for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:23 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] double trouble In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:02:32." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <49502.1071065780.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:20 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The attached mail from 'caldo.demon.co.uk!forsyth' > to 'plan9.bell-labs.com!9trouble' alias `local!9trouble' > failed with error '/bin/upas/deliver: opening mailbox: permission denied'. > > > the gist of the message (which i've resent to another address) > was: if you use filterkit's pipeto with > if(isspam) > spool /mail/box/$USER/spam > ensure chmod a+rw on /mail/box/$USER/L.spam > or each delivery of spam will take a little time. Note that this says L.spam and not L.mbox, a fact that I completely missed on first few readings. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 10 23:33:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 10 23:33:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27061 invoked by uid 1020); 10 Dec 2003 23:33:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27057 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 23:33:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 23:33:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 575B019D81; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2F4119D8B; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:33:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4CB2919D81; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53C0B19A6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:32:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] double trouble In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:32:10 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A dichotomy twixt tools that shouldn't be there. It looks like upas/fs always locks L.mbox but that upas/deliver and upas/send lock the file L.(basename of mailbox being used). Usually, they're the same but if we're delivering into other mailboxes, they aren't. I'll make everything lock /mail/box//L.mbox and avoid the problem all together. I'll run it locally for a while since I'm sure to generate at least one deadlock along the way. --upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 10 09:17:31 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Wed Dec 10 09:17:29 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 75EB919D86; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02F6619D7F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:17:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 95B2519D86; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BA1E19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AU58Z-000CsS-2e for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:23 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] double trouble In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:02:32." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <49502.1071065780.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:20 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The attached mail from 'caldo.demon.co.uk!forsyth' > to 'plan9.bell-labs.com!9trouble' alias `local!9trouble' > failed with error '/bin/upas/deliver: opening mailbox: permission denied'. > > > the gist of the message (which i've resent to another address) > was: if you use filterkit's pipeto with > if(isspam) > spool /mail/box/$USER/spam > ensure chmod a+rw on /mail/box/$USER/L.spam > or each delivery of spam will take a little time. Note that this says L.spam and not L.mbox, a fact that I completely missed on first few readings. Russ --upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 01:53:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 01:53:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31656 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 01:53:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31652 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 01:53:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 01:53:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8269719D97; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3370319D8F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:53:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2956C19BF9; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DEF319BCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:52:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] double trouble From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pvbpfgwyjsdcxmojenxwippvtr" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:29 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pvbpfgwyjsdcxmojenxwippvtr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps I'm picky. But I'd suggest changing the lock file to be /mail/box/$user/Lock Then it'd be clear that it does not refer to mbox in particular. Thanks for the fix anyway. --upas-pvbpfgwyjsdcxmojenxwippvtr Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Wed Dec 10 15:33:37 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 91A5919D82; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2F4119D8B; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:33:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4CB2919D81; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53C0B19A6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:32:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] double trouble In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:32:10 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A dichotomy twixt tools that shouldn't be there. It looks like upas/fs always locks L.mbox but that upas/deliver and upas/send lock the file L.(basename of mailbox being used). Usually, they're the same but if we're delivering into other mailboxes, they aren't. I'll make everything lock /mail/box//L.mbox and avoid the problem all together. I'll run it locally for a while since I'm sure to generate at least one deadlock along the way. --upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 10 09:17:31 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Wed Dec 10 09:17:29 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 75EB919D86; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:17:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02F6619D7F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:17:07 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 95B2519D86; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BA1E19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AU58Z-000CsS-2e for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:23 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] double trouble In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:02:32." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <49502.1071065780.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:16:20 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The attached mail from 'caldo.demon.co.uk!forsyth' > to 'plan9.bell-labs.com!9trouble' alias `local!9trouble' > failed with error '/bin/upas/deliver: opening mailbox: permission denied'. > > > the gist of the message (which i've resent to another address) > was: if you use filterkit's pipeto with > if(isspam) > spool /mail/box/$USER/spam > ensure chmod a+rw on /mail/box/$USER/L.spam > or each delivery of spam will take a little time. Note that this says L.spam and not L.mbox, a fact that I completely missed on first few readings. Russ --upas-iblcqvuuyprstnpzahmmgprnav-- --upas-pvbpfgwyjsdcxmojenxwippvtr-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 02:24:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 02:24:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 396 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 02:24:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 392 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 02:24:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 02:24:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 36AEA19D5E; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 982D019C55; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:24:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9FD1719BD0; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3CB7E19B61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:23:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] man page for winwatch Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:23:18 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I think we got winwatch.c from the list, don't know from whom actually (sorry). But here's a man page that I think was missing. .TH WINWATCH 1 .SH NAME winwatch \- window watcher. .SH SYNOPSIS .B winwatch [ .B -f .I font ] .SH DESCRIPTION .I Winwatch draws a pannel with the list of windows that exist. It pools .IR rio (4) to update the list. A click with mouse button 3 in a window name makes it visible and raises it. The optional .B -f flag selects the font used to display the window names. .SH SOURCE .B /sys/src/cmd/winwatch.c .SH BUGS There should be a way to ask .I winwatch to omit certain windows from the list. It should not show itself. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 07:12:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 07:12:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10569 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 07:12:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10565 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 07:12:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 07:12:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 57CDA19D9D; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A58019DAA; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3856019A72; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:11:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4082B19D98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:10:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBAMAlnK030281 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:10:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBAMAlkj030277 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:10:47 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:10:47 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) After Russ' much needed creation of ape/libdraw I managed to get the Links graphical web browser ported to Plan 9 and working in a somewhat useable state. Download the code, see screenshots, bugs, what's there and what's missing information and others at the web site: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/ There are several things unfinished, most notably JavaScript support (turned off due to problems with sites like google) and a bug with select() descriptors which causes sites like cnn.com, nytimes (every time) and theregister (on occasion) to fail loading. The links code is horrendous, with most of the comments written in Czech (funny, in the few places where I understand the comments they seem to be horrendous too) with the name Jim Beam interspersed just so foreign readers would know what's hapening. The plan9.c (graphics driver for Plan 9) code, for which I am responsible, isn't much better. Luckily acme takes the edge off and after an hour or two looking at the code you'll be able to go bug-hunting. I'm letting it go precisely with that in mind -- to get a broader audience looking for the bugs. I won't have that much time to do it for a while... andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 07:53:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 07:53:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11769 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 07:53:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11765 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 07:53:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 07:53:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1324B19D8F; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1791019B90; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:53:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 68DFE19D99; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF4FB19D2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F083A24FD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E84482B; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:52:12 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti workalike in Python Message-ID: <20031210225212.GA62767@mero.morphisms.net> References: <055001c3bec1$6a449170$6739a8c0@hpn5415> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <055001c3bec1$6a449170$6739a8c0@hpn5415> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 06:00:41PM -0800, John E. Barham wrote: > I'm not planning on re-implementing venti's arena code but thought that it > would be quick and easy for testing purposes to implement the back-end > storage using something like dbm or, mea culpa, a relational database. (I > added binary type support to the Python extension for SQLite with this in > mind.) Thoughts? I'd use Berkeley DB. In fact I have a small prototype system that does just that using 4K data blocks. For small amounts of data it works fine and I'd expect it to be OK up to at least a hundred gigabytes. 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From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 11:39:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 11:39:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25033 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 11:39:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25021 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 11:39:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 11:39:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4700319DD0; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD5FB19DC5; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:39:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D502819AB3; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:38:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F61A19D85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:38:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33c0679094f651d40d4653b741233ea8@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:38:34 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) You have a .8 and a .a8 in png/mkfile From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 11:40:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 11:40:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25130 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 11:40:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25125 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 11:40:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 11:40:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 001E819DC9; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5402719DCC; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:40:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B9D8019BF3; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2724F19DC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:39:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <98eec162a1f8b4e6e62049628a40d581@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:39:47 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Also, there's a bug in the ape mips ape/lib/ap/lock.c. New one on sources though the scan won't get it for a while. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 14:19:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 14:19:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2919 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 14:19:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2915 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 14:19:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 14:19:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4B5E119ADB; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52CD319DE3; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:19:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 111ED19DDA; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9316F19DDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 60569 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 05:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 05:18:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 05:18:29 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id hBB5ITL39853; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:18:29 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:18:25 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/ Links seems to handle UTF-8 pages correctly. try; hget http://p9c.cc.titech.ac.jp/plan9/tmp/links.gz | gunzip | page -w A good news for japanese-reading people :). However, the fonts used by links now is not very good and the star character appears in the place of kanji character. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 14:33:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 14:33:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4270 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 14:33:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4266 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 14:33:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 14:33:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 77AD719DE5; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:33:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77B5219DE9; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:33:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8131019DE5; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:33:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47D3419BBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:32:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b73be78c54e2828e77e2397022233ab@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:36:39 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/ > > Links seems to handle UTF-8 pages correctly. try; > hget http://p9c.cc.titech.ac.jp/plan9/tmp/links.gz | gunzip | page -w > > A good news for japanese-reading people :). > > However, the fonts used by links now is not > very good and the star character appears > in the place of kanji character. > -- also note: there is a binary image on the web now, for those of you with a 386 architecture but without the latest ape/libdraw or ability to pull one. there are also numerous fixes to mkfiles (as reported by Presotto) and leftover binaries caused by my carelessness. the screenshots that you see on my web page (the slashdot and google one) show a bug in drawing lines and filled rectangles -- the ordering of bytes is BGR instead of RGB, this could be just my choice of incorrect get_color routine. so everything that is not a bitmap (such as text and images) was drawn with swapped red and blue values. this bug is now fixed, so you can look at slashdot in all its (somewhat more properly rendered) glory :) andrey ps: the screenshot on titech.ac.jp was taken with an old binary, so you should probably download it again. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 16:24:22 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 16:24:22 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10639 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 16:23:59 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10624 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 16:23:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 16:23:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E570A19D61; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63AEA19D2D; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:23:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 22D3D19A2F; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:22:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67CEA19BBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 02:21:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd5mr1so.prod.shaw.ca (pd5mr1so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.232]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPP00D2BZ4I6W@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:21:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPP00E11Z4IOE@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:21:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpn5415 (h24-87-251-86.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.251.86]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0HPP0076TZ4IB8@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:21:54 -0700 (MST) From: "John E. Barham" Subject: Re: [9fans] venti workalike in Python To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <083601c3bfb7$378f3b80$6739a8c0@hpn5415> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <055001c3bec1$6a449170$6739a8c0@hpn5415> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:20:12 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Having said that, is there any documentation on the venti protocol apart > > from the source? > > Not really, but here's a summary. > > Venti uses a simple RPC protocol with only a few messages: > ... Many thanks. > size[2] QSync tag[1] > size[2] RSync tag[1] These aren't in the source I have. Presumably they were added relatively recently. I assume they mean save all transactions to disk? John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 18:57:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 18:57:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19691 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 18:57:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19686 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 18:57:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 18:57:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 528E019B30; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 04:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 540B019D9F; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 04:57:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0426619B30; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 04:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F2E219B6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 04:56:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AUNRN-0001Zl-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:49:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "John E. Barham" Message-ID: Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT References: <055001c3bec1$6a449170$6739a8c0@hpn5415> Subject: Re: [9fans] venti workalike in Python Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:46:02 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Having said that, is there any documentation on the venti protocol apart > > from the source? > > Not really, but here's a summary. > > Venti uses a simple RPC protocol with only a few messages: > ... Many thanks. > size[2] QSync tag[1] > size[2] RSync tag[1] These aren't in the source I have. Presumably they were added relatively recently. I assume they mean save all transactions to disk? John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 19:45:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 19:45:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21985 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 19:45:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21981 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 19:45:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 19:45:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7C61F19B44; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60CE919D9F; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:45:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A7CCB19D70; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A464199DB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:44:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cd1004491626fa5f20920bdf2d36d40@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] who can write venti archives? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:44:59 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Today, I found I'm not clear who writes archive files to venti. In the Ken's file server, we have a different kernal for file server, and I didn't bother with this question. It may also be fault either, I don't know. In the fossil+venti case, venti and fossil processes are running as a user process, which means there is a real person who has limited previlege of course, and then, s/he has no permission to some files or directories. How s/he can makes store those files/directories to venti archives? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 22:22:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 22:22:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27582 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 22:22:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27578 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 22:22:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 22:22:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6216219BBF; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:22:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2083319D4D; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:22:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 706BC19BD5; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BAF219BE8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:21:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <323520958f5dc4952a92683a3a2c47bd@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who can write venti archives? From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <1cd1004491626fa5f20920bdf2d36d40@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zeadtisasmqjicxijoyhrzjasy" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:23:38 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zeadtisasmqjicxijoyhrzjasy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the user running fossil needs permssion to read and write the fossil disk partition, and do whatever is required (typically connect over the network) to venti, if that's being used. fossil then imposes access restrictions on its clients when they access files through 9P connections, including connections by the user running fossil (who has no extra permissions when accessing that file system structure) venti currently imposes few restrictions, except that clients need to know the protocol and some scores (to read). to secure the fossil+venti combination to a level similar to the old file server you'd probably want to prohibit all but fossil and authsrv-related connections to the file serving machine; in particular venti wouldn't appear directly on the network. --upas-zeadtisasmqjicxijoyhrzjasy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1AUOK5-0000fU-63; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:46:38 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUOK5-0000fU-63 for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:45:33 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7C61F19B44; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:45:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60CE919D9F; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:45:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A7CCB19D70; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A464199DB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:44:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1cd1004491626fa5f20920bdf2d36d40@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] who can write venti archives? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:44:59 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Today, I found I'm not clear who writes archive files to venti. In the Ken's file server, we have a different kernal for file server, and I didn't bother with this question. It may also be fault either, I don't know. In the fossil+venti case, venti and fossil processes are running as a user process, which means there is a real person who has limited previlege of course, and then, s/he has no permission to some files or directories. How s/he can makes store those files/directories to venti archives? Kenji --upas-zeadtisasmqjicxijoyhrzjasy-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 11 23:21:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 11 23:21:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29022 invoked by uid 1020); 11 Dec 2003 23:21:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29017 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2003 23:21:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 23:21:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 27DB519B1A; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:21:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D9C419C02; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:21:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2F89819BF7; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B051819ABA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:20:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <30be412e87fde5a21492ddd0e732787a@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who can write venti archives? From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <323520958f5dc4952a92683a3a2c47bd@caldo.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:20:14 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > to prohibit all but fossil and authsrv-related connections > to the file serving machine; in particular venti wouldn't > appear directly on the network. What we do, in case that helps, is to make venti listen only in a loopback interface, so that at least you have to log into the file server to connect to venti. Later, fossil listens on the network for foreigners to mount it. hth From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 01:13:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 01:13:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32733 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 01:13:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32729 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 01:13:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 01:13:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5437A19DB6; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4686319C39; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:13:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E5C1619AA2; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:12:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E1B31998C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:11:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] cjpeg/djpeg Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:11:51 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) the jpeg library port which comes with the Links package has two programs, cjpeg and djpeg, whose usefulness I have neglected up until last night. the programs are not installed on your system by default, but if you do a: cp links-ape/jpeg/8.cjpeg $home/bin/386/ then you can have a very simple 'tojpg' script as follows: plan9% cat /bin/tojpg #!/bin/rc file='' switch ($#*) { case 1 file=$1 } toppm $file | cjpeg plan9% or a 'jpg' script that looks like this (after copying the djpeg binary): plan9% cat /bin/jpg2 #!/bin/rc file='' switch ($#*) { case 1 file=$1 } djpeg $file | ppm plan9% andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 01:24:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 01:24:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 589 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 01:24:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 585 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 01:24:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 01:24:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E6EC319C07; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8374619BE5; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:24:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ECBB219AA2; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-220.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.220]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FA4919AD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:23:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUTbQ-0000em-8I for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:23:48 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti workalike in Python In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:46:02 GMT." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2526.1071159828.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:23:48 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > Having said that, is there any documentation on the venti protocol apart > > > from the source? > > > > Not really, but here's a summary. > > > > Venti uses a simple RPC protocol with only a few messages: > > ... > > Many thanks. > > > size[2] QSync tag[1] > > size[2] RSync tag[1] > > These aren't in the source I have. Presumably they were added relatively > recently. I assume they mean save all transactions to disk? I added them about a year ago. Sync means "don't return until everything I've sent up to this point is committed to disk". Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 06:17:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 06:17:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11221 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 06:17:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11217 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 06:17:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 06:17:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 60CF119BF1; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:17:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F097719BFF; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:17:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0B4E419B7E; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:16:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B47119AE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:16:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6593caaa64142c5267bf8aa30033651a@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] select Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:16:24 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I pushed out a new one to fix the links problem. It works but leaves a process lying around (apparently an old problem). I'll fix that next. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 06:39:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 06:39:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11976 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 06:39:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11972 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 06:39:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 06:39:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 02E7919C18; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:39:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0770919B7E; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:39:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC6C819BD8; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FF1219B7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] (no subject) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:38:00 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I fixed select (/sys/src/ape/lib/ap/plan9/_buf.c) to be links safe. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 07:12:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 07:12:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13107 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 07:12:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13103 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 07:12:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 07:12:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CC1A019C22; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:12:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 144EA19C30; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3168919C1B; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41A1A19C00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBBMB8nK002670 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:11:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBBMB8xE002666 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:11:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] select In-Reply-To: <6593caaa64142c5267bf8aa30033651a@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:11:08 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I've compiled a new binary for those who don't care about pulling from sources: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/links-386.gz It now renders sites such as theregister.co.uk, cnn.com and nytimes.com without forcing select choking (can't blame it, though). A Plan 9-only change: hitting the Ins key forces Links to refresh the current screen. This is useful when the graphics driver doesn't flush large images correctly. The above binary has the fix in it, or you can just get the source from the same site. Andrey On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, David Presotto wrote: > I pushed out a new one to fix the links problem. It works but > leaves a process lying around (apparently an old problem). > I'll fix that next. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 10:28:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 10:28:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23700 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 10:28:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23696 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 10:28:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 10:28:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9026419BE9; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:28:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C80619B47; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:28:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 85C3D19AE3; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd3mo3so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3D0619A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPR00HPXD8M08@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml8so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml8so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.152]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPR00A15D8MXX@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:24:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpn5415 (h24-87-251-86.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.251.86]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0HPR009B2D8LUP@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:24:22 -0700 (MST) From: "John E. Barham" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <09d601c3c04e$5e09aba0$6739a8c0@hpn5415> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [9fans] venti block score & type Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:22:10 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Am I write in assuming that both the score and type have to match for a successful venti block read? Similarly, that attempting to write a block whose score is already in venti, but with a different type, will fail? If so, the score is a unique key for a block but the type must always match for all subsequent references to that block. John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 10:41:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 10:41:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24475 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 10:41:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24471 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 10:41:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 10:41:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2403919C27; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53B1219BFF; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:41:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2ADED19B6C; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:40:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDEB8199DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:39:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <70895d55ecbf879debc2021234541877@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] select From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:40:15 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I've compiled a new binary for those who don't care about pulling from > sources: > > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/links-386.gz Thanks Andrey, this version is very stable. Links has bookmarks! Yes, I agree this is most uptodate web browser for Plan 9, and I feel it's cute! By the way, isn't it difficult to make it compile in native Plan 9 compilers? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 10:45:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 10:45:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24707 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 10:45:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24703 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 10:45:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 10:45:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B4EA419C32; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 365A519C53; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:45:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 57B89199DE; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2620F19B6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:44:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] select From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <70895d55ecbf879debc2021234541877@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:44:23 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > By the way, isn't it difficult to make it compile in native Plan 9 > compilers? s/isn't/is/ ☺ the font size of status line looks like too small, and it's hard to read here (1600x1200x32). Is it Ok for anyone else? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 11:04:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 11:04:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25811 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 11:04:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25807 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 11:04:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 11:04:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 95EF919AE2; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:04:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E19E919C4A; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:04:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 45AE719AAD; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FCFD19B3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:03:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <975130bb0250dfb92da710652c7cc57c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who can write venti archives? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <323520958f5dc4952a92683a3a2c47bd@caldo.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:03:22 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks Charles and nemo. I prefer nemo's suggestion, but I have only very limited knowledge on this region, and forget my feeling. Anyway, now I have a right sight for venti+fossil. Then, I have one more question. The user who make the fossil run is the host owner of that machine, and then have read/write permission to the disk(s). It's Ok, however, s/he has no read permission of some files or directories. Nevertheless, fossil can manage all the files of the server. How s/he can do it? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 11:16:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 11:16:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26816 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 11:16:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26811 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 11:16:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 11:16:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D26C819C5D; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 674E119C5E; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:16:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AFEF119C58; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (unknown [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19ADA19C15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 555DC66B45; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:15:42 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Nielsen To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20031212021541.GB74278@cassie.foobarbaz.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Subject: [9fans] Windows NDIS miniport network drivers Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:15:42 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Since we were talking about a compatibility layer for drivers not too long ago, there might be some interest in this recent commit to FreeBSD by Bill Paul. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/cvs-src/2003-December/015232.html -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 12:16:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 12:16:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30663 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 12:16:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30659 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 12:16:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 12:16:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A2A3F19C02; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:16:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE11519A21; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:16:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 52B0019C02; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:15:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B50FC19C54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:15:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUdlw-0000Ex-22 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:15:20 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti block score & type In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:22:10 PST." <09d601c3c04e$5e09aba0$6739a8c0@hpn5415> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <925.1071198918.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:15:18 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Am I write in assuming that both the score and type have to match for a > successful venti block read? Yes. > Similarly, that attempting to write a block whose score is already in venti, > but with a different type, will fail? No. A new index entry will be written for the new type. Types are really just to help a little in interpreting the data. They're almost purely advisory. (Almost, because the answer to your first question is yes.) Since blocks are zero-truncated before storing, the zero-length block might reasonably be interpreted as a data block or as a pointer block of any depth. Similarly, if I store a file whose contents are the SHA1 hash of a small file, that contents will be stored as data, but storing the small file itself would use the same block as a first-level pointer block. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 12:20:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 12:20:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30950 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 12:20:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30943 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 12:20:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 12:20:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BCE2C19C5F; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:20:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B586019C64; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:20:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8EFAF19C30; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0291199DE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUdpi-0000Fy-O7 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:19:14 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who can write venti archives? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:03:22 +0900." <975130bb0250dfb92da710652c7cc57c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <988.1071199150.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:19:10 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Thanks Charles and nemo. > > I prefer nemo's suggestion, but I have only very limited > knowledge on this region, and forget my feeling. > > Anyway, now I have a right sight for venti+fossil. > > Then, I have one more question. > > The user who make the fossil run is the host owner of that machine, > and then have read/write permission to the disk(s). It's Ok, however, > s/he has no read permission of some files or directories. Nevertheless, > fossil can manage all the files of the server. How s/he can do it? The file server enforces permissions when serving the file system to other users. The file server itself can look at anything, because it can look at the raw disk. It's the same reason that the old worm file server (or any file server!) can access any of the files -- it just works on the disk blocks. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 13:04:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 13:04:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 956 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 13:04:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 951 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:04:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:04:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 773B119BFF; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:04:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF57D19C52; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:04:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 555D419C39; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:03:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26C6719BFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:03:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1280bb0bf9dda2a7cd529ecd168c0fad@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] who can write venti archives? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:03:23 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >The file server itself can look at anything, because > it can look at the raw disk. I see! Thank you very much Russ. Now, I can endorse to use fossil+Venti file server at my home, too. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 13:10:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 13:10:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1371 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 13:10:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1367 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:10:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:10:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E326819B00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:10:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BDFF19C71; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:10:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0EED719ADF; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:09:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd3mo1so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5414719A84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pd2mr3so.prod.shaw.ca (pd2mr3so-ser.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.108]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPR00CP6KSW3T@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:07:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml7so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml7so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.151]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HPR00G9YKSWCU@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:07:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from hpn5415 (h24-87-251-86.vc.shawcable.net [24.87.251.86]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.18 (built Jul 28 2003)) with SMTP id <0HPR00E5SKSVZU@l-daemon> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:07:43 -0700 (MST) From: "John E. Barham" Subject: Re: [9fans] venti block score & type To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <0a2d01c3c065$233128c0$6739a8c0@hpn5415> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <09d601c3c04e$5e09aba0$6739a8c0@hpn5415> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:05:10 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > Similarly, that attempting to write a block whose score is already in venti, > > but with a different type, will fail? > > No. A new index entry will be written for the new type. > > Types are really just to help a little in interpreting the > data. They're almost purely advisory. (Almost, because > the answer to your first question is yes.) Since blocks are > zero-truncated before storing, the zero-length block > might reasonably be interpreted as a data block or as > a pointer block of any depth. Similarly, if I store a file > whose contents are the SHA1 hash of a small file, that > contents will be stored as data, but storing the small file > itself would use the same block as a first-level pointer > block. So venti stores a list of types written for each score? Thus reading a block would require that the type be in that list, but writing a block would add the type to the list if it was not already present? John From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 13:27:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 13:27:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2504 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 13:27:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2499 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:27:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:27:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 74A8919C00; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:27:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABA5C19C75; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:27:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1E78819C66; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B2FF19C52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUesG-0000fx-3S for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:25:56 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] venti block score & type In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:05:10 PST." <0a2d01c3c065$233128c0$6739a8c0@hpn5415> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <2599.1071203149.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:25:49 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > > Similarly, that attempting to write a block whose score is already in > venti, > > > but with a different type, will fail? > > > > No. A new index entry will be written for the new type. > > > > Types are really just to help a little in interpreting the > > data. They're almost purely advisory. (Almost, because > > the answer to your first question is yes.) Since blocks are > > zero-truncated before storing, the zero-length block > > might reasonably be interpreted as a data block or as > > a pointer block of any depth. Similarly, if I store a file > > whose contents are the SHA1 hash of a small file, that > > contents will be stored as data, but storing the small file > > itself would use the same block as a first-level pointer > > block. > > So venti stores a list of types written for each score? Thus reading a > block would require that the type be in that list, but writing a block would > add the type to the list if it was not already present? Sure, that would be one way. In the current Venti server, writing a block with a new type adds a whole new (score, type) index entry. The index entries only have one type, not a list. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 13:44:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 13:44:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3765 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 13:44:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3761 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:44:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:44:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1501719C08; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE81119C5E; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:44:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0617119B6E; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:43:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4C8119BCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:42:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <978f31a62bb118562b6d8a9b0d9fb696@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] select From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <70895d55ecbf879debc2021234541877@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:46:49 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > By the way, isn't it difficult to make it compile in native Plan 9 > compilers? It required way too much work to compile under 8c (char * vs uchar * was the main problem). I know somebody in Germany is attempting to get Links native for Plan9. If they're successfull then yes, otherwise no -- Links doesn't lend itself easily to porting.... andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 12 13:45:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 12 13:45:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3795 invoked by uid 1020); 12 Dec 2003 13:45:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3791 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 13:45:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 13:45:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 30CCF19AE7; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:45:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFA9219C53; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:45:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 74CAA19CA0; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:44:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4860319C0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:44:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] select From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:48:44 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> By the way, isn't it difficult to make it compile in native Plan 9 >> compilers? > > s/isn't/is/ ☺ > > the font size of status line looks like too small, and it's hard to > read here (1600x1200x32). Is it Ok for anyone else? > > Kenji that's a bug officially identified on the web page... i don't know why it's happening, but it's a pain in the butt, and it certainly doesn't appear under linux/bsd. i'm looking into it... 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I just peeked under the hood. 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Gorka From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 01:09:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 01:09:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 746 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 01:09:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 742 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 01:09:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 01:09:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B17F619BD9; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 357A519B97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:09:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EBB8419B97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:08:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer01.geekmail.cc (dictum-ext.geekmail.cc [65.39.243.230]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0381319BAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:08:24 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mightycheese.com (adsl-67-120-92-207.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.120.92.207]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailer01.geekmail.cc (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBCG8LU7015049 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:08:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] unhide and current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <90BBE023-2CBD-11D8-AAD9-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:09:29 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have been playing with a virtual desktop setting using the > mechanisms rio provides. I am not sure it is a good idea, but while > writing it I got accross this. What is the reason behind an unhide > command written to /dev/wsys/n/wctl setting the current window?. > Given there is a current command, wouldn't it be much general to do > that explicitly?. the only reason was consistency with the menu interface. feel free to play. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 01:47:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 01:47:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1739 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 01:47:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1735 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 01:47:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 01:47:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B69E119AAA; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:47:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB1BC19C1A; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:47:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B078319AD1; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2F4D19A87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:46:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (fine1008.math.princeton.edu [128.112.16.123]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBCGkBXG006185 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:46:11 -0500 Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBCGkAVp020821 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:46:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200312121646.hBCGkAVp020821@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to andrey mirtchovski message dated "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:10:47 -0700." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:46:10 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The links code is horrendous, with most of the comments written in Czech > (funny, in the few places where I understand the comments they seem to be > horrendous too) with the name Jim Beam interspersed just so foreign readers > would know what's hapening. > > andrey Thanks for porting it. Despite its various peculiarities it is the main browser I use on linux and FreeBSD. Actually many of the comments are in English. The ones in Czech are indeed in the kind of Czech that would make a grammar teacher blush. Or inflict bodily injury on the student. Depends on the teacher. I set about translating them, toning down some of the more extreme bits. At my current rate it would take about 20-30 hours to do the whole source. I will almost certainly lose interest before then, so I should be more selective. I did javascript.c--not a good test case since most of the source code is the number 2--and part of ipret.c. I assume that javascr.c and jsint.c are also of interest since the javascript part of the port is not working. What other files are you interested in? The debugging messages are also in a mix of languages as are variable names. I have been ignoring both. Translating variable names is not a good idea, but if you are curious about any debugging messages just email me. - John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 02:14:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 02:14:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2479 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 02:14:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2474 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 02:14:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 02:14:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A5FA219A87; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2532819C26; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:14:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D3A2219B97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE76D19AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:13:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <200312121646.hBCGkAVp020821@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:13:16 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Thanks for porting it. Despite its various peculiarities it is the > main browser I use on linux and FreeBSD. > > Actually many of the comments are in English. The ones in Czech are > indeed in the kind of Czech that would make a grammar teacher > blush. Or inflict bodily injury on the student. Depends on the > teacher. I set about translating them, toning down some of the more > extreme bits. At my current rate it would take about 20-30 hours to > do the whole source. I will almost certainly lose interest before > then, so I should be more selective. I did javascript.c--not a good > test case since most of the source code is the number 2--and part of > ipret.c. I assume that javascr.c and jsint.c are also of interest > since the javascript part of the port is not working. What other files > are you interested in? > > The debugging messages are also in a mix of languages as are variable > names. I have been ignoring both. Translating variable names is > not a good idea, but if you are curious about any debugging messages > just email me. Bell-Labs should decide whether they want the browser on sources. If not, I will set up a replica here so that I can accept diffs more easily and won't require people to download 3.3MB .tgz file for each little change to the source. Many 9fans have expressed desire to help make the browser more Plan 9-friendly (things like plumbing and copy/paste for example), so the usefulness of Links in Plan 9 (at least currently) seems to outweigh its design mishaps, so there is a high possibility that the source will be looked at frequently. Making the comments readable, then, is a very good idea, thanx. As for having to modify every line in every file -- I feel your pain... A major part of doing the port involved having to add proper casts between unsigned and signed characters pretty much everywhere. The guys who wrote it insist that characters be unsigned, APE insists that strlen() be passed a signed char. In just one file (jsint.c) I count 200+ occasions of: 3731c3731 < if (!js_ctx)internal("js_upcall_get_subframes called with NULL context pointer\n"); --- > if (!js_ctx)internal((unsigned char *)"js_upcall_get_subframes called with NULL context pointer\n"); andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 02:16:29 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 02:16:29 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2552 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 02:16:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2548 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 02:16:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 02:16:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6149319A9E; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2386519A1C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:16:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E752919C35; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEFA519B6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:15:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ervxrzxqltwneyovngzcnqargv" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:15:40 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ervxrzxqltwneyovngzcnqargv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm happier with you doing the distribution of the browser. --upas-ervxrzxqltwneyovngzcnqargv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 12 12:14:35 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Dec 12 12:14:32 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9FA44199BE; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:14:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F46A19C15; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:14:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D3A2219B97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE76D19AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:13:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <200312121646.hBCGkAVp020821@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:13:16 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Thanks for porting it. Despite its various peculiarities it is the > main browser I use on linux and FreeBSD. > > Actually many of the comments are in English. The ones in Czech are > indeed in the kind of Czech that would make a grammar teacher > blush. Or inflict bodily injury on the student. Depends on the > teacher. I set about translating them, toning down some of the more > extreme bits. At my current rate it would take about 20-30 hours to > do the whole source. I will almost certainly lose interest before > then, so I should be more selective. I did javascript.c--not a good > test case since most of the source code is the number 2--and part of > ipret.c. I assume that javascr.c and jsint.c are also of interest > since the javascript part of the port is not working. What other files > are you interested in? > > The debugging messages are also in a mix of languages as are variable > names. I have been ignoring both. Translating variable names is > not a good idea, but if you are curious about any debugging messages > just email me. Bell-Labs should decide whether they want the browser on sources. If not, I will set up a replica here so that I can accept diffs more easily and won't require people to download 3.3MB .tgz file for each little change to the source. Many 9fans have expressed desire to help make the browser more Plan 9-friendly (things like plumbing and copy/paste for example), so the usefulness of Links in Plan 9 (at least currently) seems to outweigh its design mishaps, so there is a high possibility that the source will be looked at frequently. Making the comments readable, then, is a very good idea, thanx. As for having to modify every line in every file -- I feel your pain... A major part of doing the port involved having to add proper casts between unsigned and signed characters pretty much everywhere. The guys who wrote it insist that characters be unsigned, APE insists that strlen() be passed a signed char. In just one file (jsint.c) I count 200+ occasions of: 3731c3731 < if (!js_ctx)internal("js_upcall_get_subframes called with NULL context pointer\n"); --- > if (!js_ctx)internal((unsigned char *)"js_upcall_get_subframes called with NULL context pointer\n"); andrey --upas-ervxrzxqltwneyovngzcnqargv-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 04:23:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 04:23:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7116 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 04:23:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7111 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 04:23:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 04:23:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 06328199E3; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A88D319B97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:23:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BC14019AB9; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9EF2199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (fine1008.math.princeton.edu [128.112.16.123]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBCJMiXG019029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:22:44 -0500 Received: from fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBCJMiVp020888 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:22:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200312121922.hBCJMiVp020888@fine1008.math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to andrey mirtchovski message dated "Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:10:47 -0700." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:22:44 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > There are several things unfinished, most notably JavaScript support (turned > off due to problems with sites like google) and a bug with select() > descriptors which causes sites like cnn.com, nytimes (every time) and > theregister (on occasion) to fail loading. > > The links code is horrendous, with most of the comments written in Czech > (funny, in the few places where I understand the comments they seem to be > horrendous too) with the name Jim Beam interspersed just so foreign readers > would know what's hapening. Not that it's really relevant, but the Jim Beam comments are limited to one file: jsint.c. Perhaps it's not entirely coincidental that the biggest outstanding problem is with the javascript interpreter. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 04:49:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 04:49:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8014 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 04:49:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8010 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 04:49:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 04:49:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 20E3A19C0E; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 941B519C36; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:49:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5A1AD19AF8; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAE6319ABA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:47:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:35 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) RFC1939 introduces the 'APOP name digest' command for challenge-response authentication to a POP3 mail server, and says: "The digest parameter ... is sent in hexadecimal format, using lower-case ASCII characters." Factotum's proto=apop implementation encodes the digest as upper-case hexadecimal. Probably most POP3 servers can handle both, but I've just hit an unforgiving one. Possible fixes: In /sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/apop.c, replace sprint(s->resp, "%.*H", MD5dlen, digest); with something like for(i=0; iresp[2*i], "%.2x", digest[i]); or in /sys/src/libc/port/u16.c, replace static char t16e[] = "0123456789ABCDEF"; with static char t16e[] = "0123456789abcdef"; The latter has a more widespread effect, but it arguably makes the %H format conform to its documentation. The man page for print(2) makes a distinction between "hexadecimal" and "upper case hexadecimal" for %x and %X respectively. enc16(2) just says %H means "base 16 (i.e. hexadecimal)", so one might expect it to be lower case. -- Richard Miller From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 04:58:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 04:58:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8560 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 04:58:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8555 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 04:58:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 04:58:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 679E319C48; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0574119C39; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:58:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A96F819ACA; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70F3819B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:57:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <22e332e850b540c277095940cb9763c2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 on large systems.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:57:13 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Back in the day Linux was young and relatively non-bloated there was great excitement when people were able to boot it on large SMP systems. I remember being in awe looking at a bootlog from a 16-way Alpha machine. Now, Plan 9 has ran on large SMPs since forever (an 8-way SGI still runs in BL, right?), but recently has fallen into the hands of slow, outdated hardware. That's why I was so excited when I could boot a big Compaq Proliant 8-way SMP as a cpu server on ucalgary's network. Is this the biggest Plan 9 has ran on? How about 16- and 32-processor machines? enjoy the log (the machine has 4 GB of RAM, I've limited that to 1.6): andrey Plan 9 cpu0: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) ELCR: 8C20 cpu1: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) cpu2: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) cpu3: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) cpu4: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) cpu5: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) cpu6: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) cpu7: 700MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06A1 DX 0x383FBFF) #l0: i82557: 10Mbps port 0x3000 irq 15: 00508BF98E1E #l1: i82557: 100Mbps port 0x3020 irq 15: 00508BF98E1F oui 5043 phyno 1 oui 5043 phyno 1 #l2: i82543: 1000Mbps port 0xF7BE0000 irq 5: 0002A542E64E ioapicirq: can't find bus type 12 #l3: i82543: 1000Mbps port 0xF7EE0000 irq 15: 0002A542E4D6 no match 390346 free pages, 1561384K bytes, 2201384K swap root is from (il, tcp)[tcp]: miistatus 2 miistatus 2 lproc status ok ctrl 1B401A49 version...time... sysname: octarine init: starting /bin/rc octarine# cat /dev/swap 404/390346 memory 0/160000 swap octarine# cat /dev/sysstat 0 1540 35698 498 294 0 0 0 99 0 1 1484 17027 503 321 0 0 0 99 0 2 1609 17123 608 470 0 0 0 99 0 3 1566 17149 716 504 0 0 0 99 0 4 1549 17159 666 461 0 0 0 99 0 5 1622 17190 461 320 0 0 0 99 0 6 1601 17339 511 362 0 0 0 99 0 7 1654 17066 494 348 0 0 0 99 0 octarine# From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 05:00:50 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 05:00:50 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8795 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 05:00:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8791 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 05:00:49 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 05:00:49 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2284A19ACA; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66E6B19C39; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:00:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DAC4419ACA; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFB9C19B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:59:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <37dc31191ad95043011ccf18788b8dcd@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: miller@hamnavoe.demon.co.uk, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-llhganjhqwvqeiiqkafsbwyucb" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:59:46 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-llhganjhqwvqeiiqkafsbwyucb Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I really dinna want to change %H. The logical thing there would be to have a %h and a %H but little 'h' is already taken as a flag. I'll just fix apop with your suggestion. --upas-llhganjhqwvqeiiqkafsbwyucb Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 12 14:49:34 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Dec 12 14:49:32 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4BB7519ABA; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:49:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACB1A19BA9; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:49:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5A1AD19AF8; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAE6319ABA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:47:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 19:47:35 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) RFC1939 introduces the 'APOP name digest' command for challenge-response authentication to a POP3 mail server, and says: "The digest parameter ... is sent in hexadecimal format, using lower-case ASCII characters." Factotum's proto=apop implementation encodes the digest as upper-case hexadecimal. Probably most POP3 servers can handle both, but I've just hit an unforgiving one. Possible fixes: In /sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/apop.c, replace sprint(s->resp, "%.*H", MD5dlen, digest); with something like for(i=0; iresp[2*i], "%.2x", digest[i]); or in /sys/src/libc/port/u16.c, replace static char t16e[] = "0123456789ABCDEF"; with static char t16e[] = "0123456789abcdef"; The latter has a more widespread effect, but it arguably makes the %H format conform to its documentation. The man page for print(2) makes a distinction between "hexadecimal" and "upper case hexadecimal" for %x and %X respectively. enc16(2) just says %H means "base 16 (i.e. hexadecimal)", so one might expect it to be lower case. -- Richard Miller --upas-llhganjhqwvqeiiqkafsbwyucb-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 05:14:29 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 05:14:29 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9674 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 05:14:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9664 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 05:14:27 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 05:14:27 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 37CC319ABA; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2784219C3A; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:14:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EA37B19B41; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6337519A31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:13:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49d245c073df3ab667bc09d0ba2e93b3@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Richard Miller MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] corrections for tarfs(4) and tpfs(4) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:13:12 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,PATCH_CONTEXT_DIFF version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This went to 9trouble last month, but submissions to 9fans seem to get a quicker response ... I stumbled over this one by doing a 'cp -x' from a tar file which had some unexpected mode bits set (by cygwin tar). *** /n/sources/plan9//sys/src/cmd/tapefs/tarfs.c Sun Jul 14 19:49:24 2002 --- /sys/src/cmd/tapefs/tarfs.c Tue Nov 18 15:20:15 2003 *************** *** 58,63 **** --- 58,64 ---- /* the mode test is ugly but sometimes necessary */ if (dblock.dbuf.linkflag == '5' || (f.mode&0170000) == 040000) f.mode |= DMDIR; + f.mode &= DMDIR|0777; linkflg = dblock.dbuf.linkflag=='s' || dblock.dbuf.linkflag=='1'; isabs = dblock.dbuf.name[0]=='/'; if (chksum != checksum()){ And, for the tape historians, a tiny improvement to the reconstruction of TP archives. Note the 1-byte uid and gid ("why would a Unix system ever need more than 256 userids?"). *** /n/sources/plan9//sys/src/cmd/tapefs/tpfs.c Thu Mar 16 21:43:28 2000 --- /sys/src/cmd/tapefs/tpfs.c Mon Jun 4 11:35:35 2001 *************** *** 57,62 **** --- 57,64 ---- f.mdate = (tpp->tmod[2]<<0) + (tpp->tmod[3]<<8) +(tpp->tmod[0]<<16) + (tpp->tmod[1]<<24); f.mode = tpp->mode[0]&0777; + f.uid = tpp->uid[0]; + f.gid = tpp->gid[0]; isabs = tpp->name[0]=='/'; f.name = (char *)tpp->name+isabs; poppath(f, 1); -- Richard Miller From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 06:46:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 06:46:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12896 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 06:46:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12892 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 06:46:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 06:46:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9072B19AE3; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4D6F19C4A; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:46:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6359E19C2E; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49AE519C30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBCLj58R019323 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:45:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBCLj37Q019223 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:45:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBCLj3804645 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:45:03 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312122145.hBCLj3804645@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Subject: [9fans] usbuhci: port 65504 in use ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:45:03 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Eager to try my new xitel usb->audio device (thanks for the plug a while ago :-) I'm trying to get at the usb device of a toshiba tecra 8000 laptop. I'm using the kernel (/386/9pcdisk) (and most other stuff) I just updated from sources (9load I'm using will still be old, though). While booting, I get (as before, with the old kernel): usbuhci: port 65504 in use What to do about that? (I have not yet used the usb device of this laptop in any O.S.) There seems to be no usb line in my plan9.ini . Having looked at the source, I got the hope that the following might be helpful for interpretation: term% pci 0.0.0: 06.00.00 8086/7192 0 0.11.0: 06.07.00 1179/060f 11 0.11.1: 06.07.00 1179/060f 11 0.13.0: 04.80.00 123f/8888 11 0:0000ee01 256 0.4.0: 03.00.00 10c8/0005 11 0:df000008 16777216 1:ff800000 4194304 2:ff700000 1048576 0.5.0: 06.80.00 8086/7110 0 0.5.1: 01.01.80 8086/7111 0 4:0000fe61 16 0.5.2: 0c.03.00 8086/7112 11 4:0000ffe1 32 0.5.3: 06.80.00 8086/7113 0 0.9.0: 07.80.00 1179/0701 11 0:0000ff81 32 term% cat /dev/ioalloc 0 f dma 20 21 i8259.0 40 43 i8253 60 60 kbd 61 61 i8253.cntr2c 64 64 kbd 70 71 rtc/nvr 80 8f dma a0 a1 i8259.1 d0 df dma 170 177 atacmd 180 1bf wavelan 1f0 1f7 atacmd 2b0 2df vga 376 376 atactl 378 37a lpt0 3c0 3da vga 3e0 3e1 i82365.0 3f0 3f5 floppy 3f6 3f6 atactl 3f7 3f7 floppy term% cat /dev/irqalloc 3 0 debugpt 7 0 mathemu 8 0 doublefault 9 0 mathover 14 0 fault386 16 0 matherror 32 0 clock 33 1 kbd 35 3 ether0 37 5 i82365.0 38 6 floppy 39 7 lpt 44 12 kbdaux 46 14 sdC (ata) 47 15 sdD (ata) term% Feeling a bit lost, Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 07:33:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 07:33:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14481 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 07:33:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14477 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 07:33:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 07:33:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 254FB19BAC; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22AC919C66; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4C41D19C6F; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 474EC19C61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 17:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBCMVZ8R021305 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:31:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBCMVX7Q028290 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:31:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBCMVXb04948 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:31:33 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312122231.hBCMVXb04948@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usbuhci: port 65504 in use ? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:45:03 +0100." <200312122145.hBCLj3804645@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <200312122145.hBCLj3804645@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:31:33 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I wrote: > While booting, I get: > > usbuhci: port 65504 in use > > What to do about that? just accessed the usb from windows, no problems. adding a usb0= line to plan9.ini does not seem to solve the problem (or I added a wrong one -- tried copying numbers from windows' properties with seemingly no effect) Hmmm.... for the moment out of ideas... > Having looked at the source, I got the hope that > the following might be helpful for interpretation: > > term% pci > 0.0.0: 06.00.00 8086/7192 0 > 0.11.0: 06.07.00 1179/060f 11 > 0.11.1: 06.07.00 1179/060f 11 > 0.13.0: 04.80.00 123f/8888 11 0:0000ee01 256 > 0.4.0: 03.00.00 10c8/0005 11 0:df000008 16777216 1:ff800000 4194304 2 > :ff700000 1048576 > 0.5.0: 06.80.00 8086/7110 0 > 0.5.1: 01.01.80 8086/7111 0 4:0000fe61 16 > 0.5.2: 0c.03.00 8086/7112 11 4:0000ffe1 32 > 0.5.3: 06.80.00 8086/7113 0 > 0.9.0: 07.80.00 1179/0701 11 0:0000ff81 32 > term% cat /dev/ioalloc > 0 f dma > 20 21 i8259.0 > 40 43 i8253 > 60 60 kbd > 61 61 i8253.cntr2c > 64 64 kbd > 70 71 rtc/nvr > 80 8f dma > a0 a1 i8259.1 > d0 df dma > 170 177 atacmd > 180 1bf wavelan > 1f0 1f7 atacmd > 2b0 2df vga > 376 376 atactl > 378 37a lpt0 > 3c0 3da vga > 3e0 3e1 i82365.0 > 3f0 3f5 floppy > 3f6 3f6 atactl > 3f7 3f7 floppy > term% cat /dev/irqalloc > 3 0 debugpt > 7 0 mathemu > 8 0 doublefault > 9 0 mathover > 14 0 fault386 > 16 0 matherror > 32 0 clock > 33 1 kbd > 35 3 ether0 > 37 5 i82365.0 > 38 6 floppy > 39 7 lpt > 44 12 kbdaux > 46 14 sdC (ata) > 47 15 sdD (ata) > term% > > Feeling a bit lost, > Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 08:23:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 08:23:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15697 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 08:23:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15693 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 08:23:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 08:23:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E307919A14; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 827E619C59; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D909219A14; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:22:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D951619C26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:22:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <10b9eba01e53abcf6d3fa1503f178a94@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usbuhci: port 65504 in use ? From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <200312122231.hBCMVXb04948@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:30 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) /sys/src/9/pc/devarch.c says // Only 64KB I/O space on the x86. if((port+size) >= 0x10000){ but i think the test should be > not >= (since port address port+size isn't included in the allocation) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 08:24:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 08:24:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15713 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 08:24:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15709 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 08:24:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 08:24:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E72CF19B97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 541FC19C7C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:24:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 42E2819A8B; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 431D019B97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:23:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <577d9f3e88721773bfc996fe022e663a@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usbuhci: port 65504 in use ? From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <200312122231.hBCMVXb04948@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:26:03 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) but then you'll need the following sorted out too... /* * Someone needs to explain why this was here... */ ioalloc(0x0fff, 1, 0, "dummy"); // i82557 is at 0x1000, the dummy From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 08:27:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 08:27:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15780 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 08:27:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15776 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 08:27:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 08:27:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BB73A19C2C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08C5019C7C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:27:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2853919A8B; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE67419C2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:26:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5a4bd5d455255e5e59690b26caec4210@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usbuhci: port 65504 in use ? From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <577d9f3e88721773bfc996fe022e663a@caldo.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xramjqygzelffhaiwgpubvpqne" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:28:34 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xramjqygzelffhaiwgpubvpqne Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ignore that: it's fussing about 0x1000 not 0x10000 --upas-xramjqygzelffhaiwgpubvpqne Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1AUwe2-0001ey-Lb; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:26 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AUwe2-0001ey-Lb for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:26 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E72CF19B97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 541FC19C7C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:24:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 42E2819A8B; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:24:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 431D019B97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:23:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <577d9f3e88721773bfc996fe022e663a@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] usbuhci: port 65504 in use ? From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <200312122231.hBCMVXb04948@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:26:03 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) but then you'll need the following sorted out too... /* * Someone needs to explain why this was here... */ ioalloc(0x0fff, 1, 0, "dummy"); // i82557 is at 0x1000, the dummy --upas-xramjqygzelffhaiwgpubvpqne-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 11:23:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 11:23:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23863 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 11:23:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23859 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 11:23:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 11:23:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D1E8B19C24; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A10619C57; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:23:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 930CE19C34; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from 203.141.35.113 (106.59.215.220.ap.yournet.ne.jp [220.215.59.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6632719C46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by MS34 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.8 (1.8.4.0)); Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:21:46 From: petits_nya_milky_nya@yahoo.co.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mail Distributer Message-ID: <6hb5wr03q2o0ed4.131220031121@203.141.35.113> Subject: [9fans] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJE8kOCRhJF4kNyRGIXkbKEI=?= Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: petits_nya_milky_nya@yahoo.co.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:21:46 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) $B%a%kM'$5$,$7$F$^$9$C!y$h$+$C$?$i$*JV;v$/$@$5$$"v(B From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 11:38:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 11:38:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24560 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 11:38:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24555 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 11:38:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 11:38:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A390C19A97; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9989719C7E; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:38:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 816EC19A25; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFCF019A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBD2bDbV002282 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBD2bDl15947 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312130237.hBD2bDl15947@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:15:40 EST." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:13 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Presotto writes: > I'm happier with you doing the distribution of the browser. It seems like something generally useful enough that it'd make sense to put on sources under /contrib.... I urge you to reconsider. One sources for things should be enough. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 11:43:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 11:43:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24835 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 11:43:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24831 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 11:43:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 11:43:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 67CD019C6F; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6541A19C81; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:43:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7B7A619C76; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D50D219C6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBD2glbV002480 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBD2gll15989 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:42:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312130242.hBD2gll15989@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:59:46 EST." <37dc31191ad95043011ccf18788b8dcd@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:42:47 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Presotto writes: > I really dinna want to change %H. The logical thing there would be to > have a %h and a %H but little 'h' is already taken as a flag. > > I'll just fix apop with your suggestion. Many of the format specifiers in print(2) already can already be modified by flags; case in point: what 'h' does to %d. How about adding a flag to %H that forces it to use a lowercase map, instead of an undercase map? - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 11:49:30 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 11:49:30 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25100 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 11:49:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25096 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 11:49:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 11:49:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5832E19C76; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F27EC19C87; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:49:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B24D619C86; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:48:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C5D919C71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBD2lwbV002685 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:47:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBD2lwl16042 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:47:58 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312130247.hBD2lwl16042@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:42:47 EST." <200312130242.hBD2gll15989@augusta.math.psu.edu> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:47:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dan Cross writes: > Many of the format specifiers in print(2) already can already be > modified by flags; case in point: what 'h' does to %d. How about > adding a flag to %H that forces it to use a lowercase map, instead of > an undercase map? For that matter, how about a grammar checker! - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 11:50:27 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 11:50:27 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25125 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 11:50:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25121 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 11:50:26 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 11:50:26 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5DFEB19C86; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C374619CA5; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:50:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9A7E019C7C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09EB819C8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AUzpn-0000BW-6b for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:48:47 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:37:13 EST." <200312130237.hBD2bDl15947@augusta.math.psu.edu> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <712.1071283725.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:48:45 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > David Presotto writes: > > I'm happier with you doing the distribution of the browser. > > It seems like something generally useful enough that it'd make sense to > put on sources under /contrib.... I urge you to reconsider. One sources > for things should be enough. I agree with Dave. The browser is disgusting. It looks ugly on the outside, and it's even uglier on the inside, in many ways. About the only thing it has going for it is it can display web pages better than mothra. If the people here clean it up and make it look and behave like a Plan 9 program, then great. But until then, no. Russ P.S. Next you're going to complain that there are things in /extra that don't look and behave much like Plan 9 programs, but Links is much further removed from those. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 12:08:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 12:08:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25975 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 12:08:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25971 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 12:08:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 12:08:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BC1F019C42; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:08:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 475B219C8E; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:08:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0676C19C7C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:07:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6091119C44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBD378bV003424 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBD378l16110 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:07:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312130307.hBD378l16110@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:48:45 EST." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:07:08 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "Russ Cox" writes: > P.S. Next you're going to complain that there are things > in /extra that don't look and behave much like Plan 9 programs, > but Links is much further removed from those. Close, but no. Now I'm going to complain that a web browser is the *first thing* many, many new users ask for. Links is, arguably, the first *viable* browser that's compiled and run on Plan 9. It may not be pretty, inside or out (and the latter is certainly your opinion), but at least it works, which is more than can be said for, e.g., Mothra or i. Do you really think it's wise to ignore that? - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 12:36:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 12:36:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27247 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 12:36:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27243 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 12:36:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 12:36:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 486B619C96; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC99019CA8; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:36:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8C06B19C8E; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1A0719C7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <598910bc69cf25e952447ab315dee891@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <200312130307.hBD378l16110@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:35:03 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ignorance is my strong suit... I'ld rather the only person that understands the thing (however vageuly) be the one to maintain and distribute it, at least till it cleans up a lot more. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 12:56:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 12:56:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28166 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 12:56:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28162 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 12:56:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 12:56:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1AB3019CB7; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CDF019CA8; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BEED619C84; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26BAB19C2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6786cb2c3839f91e170e726ac4ac0805@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) From: Dan Cross David Presotto writes: > I really dinna want to change %H. The logical thing there would be to > have a %h and a %H but little 'h' is already taken as a flag. > > I'll just fix apop with your suggestion. Many of the format specifiers in print(2) already can already be modified by flags; case in point: what 'h' does to %d. How about adding a flag to %H that forces it to use a lowercase map, instead of an undercase map? - Dan C. OK, %lH now means lower case hexdump. %luhs means print out correct spelling of the string pointed to by the argument. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 16:59:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 16:59:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3512 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 16:59:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3508 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 16:59:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 16:59:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A581E19B4B; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 943E719C84; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:59:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA24D19C41; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C236119B4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 02:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBD7w4RR022313 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:58:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <25adb929af968608098bbfec3ce17982@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <200312130307.hBD378l16110@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:58:06 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Links is, arguably, the > first *viable* browser that's compiled and run on Plan 9. It would be a very tenuous argument. BTW, why doesn't Charon count? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 13 19:06:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 13 19:06:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7335 invoked by uid 1020); 13 Dec 2003 19:06:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7330 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2003 19:06:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 19:06:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D5F5419A40; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DC4C19C92; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B4DAF19A98; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:05:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B278C19C8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 05:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBDA5O8R016774 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:05:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBDA5N7Q028982 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:05:23 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBDA5Mj08518 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:05:22 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312131005.hBDA5Mj08518@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 23:24:30." <10b9eba01e53abcf6d3fa1503f178a94@caldo.demon.co.uk> References: <10b9eba01e53abcf6d3fa1503f178a94@caldo.demon.co.uk> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Subject: [9fans] fix works for: usbuhci: port 65504 in use Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:05:22 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks, that did it!!! Makes sense to fix on sources? and now there is sound -- great!! and now the question is how to control volume, seems that low volume settings are quite negative (-5376 for default volume setting of usbstart) highest volume setting is 0 (or also negative?) how does this interact with mixer etc. ? (and see what other things can be controlled; I have the 'plain' xitel hifi-link) (For the interested, /dev/audioctl gives me, after some fiddling: speed out 44100 4990 55010 mute out 1 volume out '-1050 -1050' channels out 2 1 2 resolution out 16 8 20 ) Forsyth wrote: > /sys/src/9/pc/devarch.c says > > // Only 64KB I/O space on the x86. > if((port+size) >= 0x10000){ > > but i think the test should be > not >= > (since port address port+size isn't included in the allocation) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 03:46:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 03:46:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21124 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 03:46:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21120 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 03:46:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 03:46:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 078F119B2C; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:46:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D2BC19B70; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:46:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E8D0619B70; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE0AB19B37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:44:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBDIiofK018121 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:44:50 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBDIineo019726 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:44:49 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBDIind4002432 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:44:49 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <25adb929af968608098bbfec3ce17982@centurytel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:44:49 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Why not take this as an opportunity to build the Plan 9 equivalent of the FreeBSD "ports" collection. You could do a much better job with Plan 9 anyway. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 04:03:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 04:03:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21899 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 04:03:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21894 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 04:03:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 04:03:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2F75B19B36; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D434319B93; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:03:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6FE4919B36; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32EDA19B4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:02:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5e6776c82612c9c0a126b9e0170a962e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:06:20 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Why not take this as an opportunity to build the Plan 9 equivalent of the > FreeBSD "ports" collection. You could do a much better job with Plan 9 > anyway. > > ron I'll make a replica for ports of lunix software at ucalgary next week. I have an extra disk I can stick in for that purpose. The main issue then is whether to use sources' auth information for the ports too... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 07:06:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 07:06:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28105 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 07:06:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28101 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 07:06:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 07:06:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4F33119AC2; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87DC619B1F; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6225319B32; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:05:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from brahma.sdgm.net (brahma.sdgm.net [64.32.179.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1A1719AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:05:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: boyd@sdgm.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /lib/units Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:05:24 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) 92c92 < /Avoirdupois --- > /Avoir du poids the first is not gramatically correct and speaks of [having one] 'pea'. the second is right. i typed 'inches' at units and it didn't grok it right. i am tempted, but unsure of, 'fixing' this pluralisation bug. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 07:55:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 07:55:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29628 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 07:55:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29624 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 07:55:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 07:55:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 25E4219A53; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BB1819B73; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:55:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0AAF119B74; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:54:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08E3719A53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBDMsQfK024116 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:54:26 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBDMsQtS017585 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:54:26 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBDMsPd4007980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:54:25 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <5e6776c82612c9c0a126b9e0170a962e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:54:25 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote: > I'll make a replica for ports of lunix software at ucalgary next week. > I have an extra disk I can stick in for that purpose. The main issue > then is whether to use sources' auth information for the ports too... this is worth working out. One of the truly wonderful things about FreeBSD is the ability to: cd /usr/ports/whatever make and have it all work right. Allows one to not think at all, and who can complain about that? ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 08:03:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 08:03:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30200 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 08:03:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30196 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 08:03:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 08:03:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5786719B70; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B840B19B73; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:03:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 20ACC19B32; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:02:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams005.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n05.valueweb.net [216.219.253.151]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 515EC19A21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:02:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <3578069-22484>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:02:32 -0500 Message-ID: <004901c3c1cd$052e4240$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:01:18 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > and have it all work right. Allows one to not think at all, and who can > complain about that? have you been reading the freebsd mailing list? ouch! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 08:06:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 08:06:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30309 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 08:06:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30305 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 08:06:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 08:06:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CD95C19B8B; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:06:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A01819B82; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:06:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E87D319B28; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:05:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BC1F19AB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:05:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <229168-14267>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:04:18 -0500 Message-ID: <004d01c3c1cd$43d98090$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:03:03 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i think i woulda taken mothra and smashed whatever was needed into it. duff knew his graphics. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 08:09:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 08:09:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30421 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 08:09:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30417 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 08:09:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 08:09:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC0AC19A84; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:09:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBBBB19B94; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:09:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 002A419B32; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer01.geekmail.cc (dictum-ext.geekmail.cc [65.39.243.230]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BC9819B68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:07:57 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mightycheese.com (adsl-67-122-68-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.122.68.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailer01.geekmail.cc (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBDN7sjx017094 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:07:55 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <588D7F14-2DC1-11D8-AAD9-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:09:04 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) 'Avoirdupois' is correct, even in French. There is no 'd'. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:10:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:10:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32297 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:10:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32293 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:10:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:10:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2CFA119B0B; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:10:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A5C419B74; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:10:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A64E319A94; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:10:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams006.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n06.valueweb.net [216.219.253.152]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5D3D19A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:09:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <225980-29260>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:08:46 -0500 Message-ID: <005301c3c1d6$45605890$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <588D7F14-2DC1-11D8-AAD9-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:07:31 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > 'Avoirdupois' is correct, even in French. There is no 'd'. peas [pois] are special. they are uncountable objects, except in small quantities (rice is similar). one uses 'des' to say: some pois: http://www.inra.fr/Internet/Produits/HYPPZ/CULTURES/3c---109.htm poid == weight [plural]: http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/X6881F/X6881F14.htm right, the unit's 'inches' bug can stay. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:13:30 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:13:30 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32392 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:13:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32388 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:13:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:13:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 411DD19B92; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B89F19B9E; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:13:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A868819B0E; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams003.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n03.valueweb.net [216.219.253.136]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AD2819B27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:11:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <2728533-18011>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: <005901c3c1d6$981b8b90$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:09:50 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > right, the unit's 'inches' bug can stay. argh, units' bug ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:15:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:15:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32429 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:15:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32425 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:15:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:15:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D7B1819BE0; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:15:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD6CF19B8D; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:15:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 073ED19A94; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:14:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (nolifeandliberty.com [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE41619B8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:13:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <005301c3c1d6$45605890$89844051@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:13:55 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Check your OED; `avoirdupois' is established as the English spelling, even if it's incorrect French. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:15:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:15:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32436 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:15:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32432 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:15:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:15:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC83F19A94; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F47619BB5; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:15:20 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EE6E719B0A; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:14:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams005.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n05.valueweb.net [216.219.253.151]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CDC819A94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:14:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <3579544-22493>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:13:42 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c3c1d6$f5ef5210$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <588D7F14-2DC1-11D8-AAD9-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> <005301c3c1d6$45605890$89844051@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:12:28 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > poids == weight being url targeted, i should have typed the above. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:35:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:35:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 666 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:35:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 662 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:35:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:35:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0D1D419AA0; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:35:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 659D219B22; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:35:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C43E919AA0; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1DD419B16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <232446-14262>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00cb01c3c1d9$c57f63b0$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:32:34 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Check your OED; `avoirdupois' is established as the English spelling, > even if it's incorrect French. i don't have one. iirc Z is used instead of S and 'colour' is spelt 'color' due to an early US dictionary SNARFU. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:43:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:43:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 914 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:43:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 910 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:43:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:43:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9B55519B0A; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:43:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC4C819B8D; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:43:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4DD3419B0A; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 128B019B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:42:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4017935eb3696bba1e6cffed3dbf2ddb@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: <00cb01c3c1d9$c57f63b0$89844051@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-iusvhzguuucszxdjsifmdbovca" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:42:15 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-iusvhzguuucszxdjsifmdbovca Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 1 avoirdupois (ˌævəRdəˈpɔɪz). Forms: 4 auoirdepeise, auer de peis, 4–7 avoir de pois, 5 haberdepase, 6 auerdepaise, auer de poiz, haberdepoys, -poise, 6–7 hauer de pois, haberde-pois, 7 averdepois, aver-, haberdupois(e, haverdupois(e, 8 hauer-du-pois, 7– avoirdupois. [A recent corrupt spelling of avoir-de-pois, in early OF. and AF. aveir de peis `goods of weight,' f. OF. avoir, aveir, property, goods, aver, de of, pois, peis (= Pr. pes, pens, It. peso):—L. *pēsum, pensum, weight. The first word had the variant forms of the simple aver, and the pronunciation remains ˈaver; the Norman peis was from 1300 varied with, and c 1500 superseded by, the Parisian pois. The best modern spelling is the 17th c. averdepois; in any case de ought to be restored for du, introduced by some ignorant `improver' c 1640–1650.] †1. Merchandise sold by weight. Obs. (c 1600.) c1300 E.E. Poems (1862) 154 Ʒur gret packes of draperie, auoir-depeise, and ʒur wol sackes. 1388 Wyclif Ezek. xxvii. 16 Thei settiden forth in thi marcat gemme, and purpur..and cochod, ether auer de peis [1382 chodchod, that is, precious marchaundise]. [1392 Act 16 Rich. II, i. §2 Toutz marchants..qe achater ou vendre voillont bledz, vinz, avoir de pois, char, pesson, & toutz autres vivres & vitails.] 1502 transl. in Arnold Chron. (1811) 34 Cornes, wynes, auerdepaise, flesh, fishe, or odur vitayles. 1598 Hakluyt Voy. I. 137 To exercise other marchandises, as of Hauer de pois, and other fine wares, as sarcenets, lawnes, cindalles, and silke. 1618 Pulton tr. Act 27 Edw. III, Staple x, That Wools, and all manner auoir de pois, be weighed by the ballance. 1691 Blount Law Dict., Avoir du Pois..signifies such Merchandises as are weighed by this weight, and not by Troy-weight. 2. (More fully avoirdupois weight) The standard system of weights used, in Great Britain, for all goods except the precious metals, precious stones, and medicines.The a. pound contains 7000 grains. The a. weight of the United States agrees with that of Great Britain in the pound, ounce, and dram; but the hundredweight contains in U.S. 100, in G.B. 112 lbs., and the ton of 20 cwt. differs accordingly. 1485 Inv. in Ripon Ch. Acts 367, j par balance cum ponderibus de haberdepase. 1532–3 Act 24 Hen. VIII, iii, Lawfull weyght, called haberdepois. 1543 Recorde Gr. Artes (1575) 202 An other waight called Haberdepoise, in whiche 16 ounces make a pounde. 1594 Plat Jewell-ho. iii. 7 Vveightes that may agree vvith the auer de poiz. 1619 Dalton Countr. Just. lxv. (1630) 143 In this Averdepois weight..112 pounds make a hundred weight. 1631 R. Brathwait Whimzies 16 A trite discourse of weights and measures: most ponderously dividing them into troy and averdepois. 1647 Ward Simp. Cobler (1843) 39 Weigh Rules by Troyweight, and not by the old Haber-du-pois. 1650 B. Discollim. 16 Weighed..at the..publick beam..not at..every Shop-keeper's Aver-du-pois. 1656 W. Dugard Gate Lat. Unl. §536 Avoir-du-pois, wherewith wares are bought and sold. 1667 E. King in Phil. Trans. II. 450, 49 ounces (Haver de pois weight) of blood. 1669 Boyle Cont. New Exp. i. xxxiii. (1682) 112 Haberdupoise weight. 1701 J. Jones in A. J. Ellis E.E. Pron. i. iii. 220, h may be sounded in halleluiah, habiliment, hauer-du-pois, etc. 1755 Phil. Trans. XLIX. 184 So great a weight as twenty-six pounds avoirdupoize. 1806 Vince Hydrost. ii. 21 A cubic foot of rain water weighs 1000 ounces avoirdupoise. 1831 Carlyle Sart. Res. ii. viii, The weakest can stand under thirty stone avoirdupois. 3. Weight; degree of heaviness. (Common in U.S.) 1597 Shakes. 2 Hen. IV, ii. iv. 276 The weight of an hayre will turne the Scales betweene their Haber-de-pois. 1680 Hon. Cavalier 26 To make it more than Aver-du-pois. 1883 Atl. Monthly May (Football), Avoirdupois and strength are at a premium for rushing, blocking, and tackling. 2 avoirdupois (as prec.), v. rareⁱ. [f. the n.] To have the avoirdupois weight of, to weigh. 1854 Badham Halieut. 231 A huge African fish..has been known to avoirdupoise one hundred and forty pounds. --upas-iusvhzguuucszxdjsifmdbovca Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sat Dec 13 19:35:28 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sat Dec 13 19:35:25 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8089119B1C; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:35:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7451D19B0E; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:35:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C43E919AA0; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:34:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1DD419B16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <232446-14262>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:33:49 -0500 Message-ID: <00cb01c3c1d9$c57f63b0$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:32:34 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Check your OED; `avoirdupois' is established as the English spelling, > even if it's incorrect French. i don't have one. iirc Z is used instead of S and 'colour' is spelt 'color' due to an early US dictionary SNARFU. --upas-iusvhzguuucszxdjsifmdbovca-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:54:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:54:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1318 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:54:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1314 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:54:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:54:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8E95319B16; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9495D19B73; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:54:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A9E4A19AFE; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams003.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n03.valueweb.net [216.219.253.136]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5B9319B16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:53:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <2726791-18004>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:52:24 -0500 Message-ID: <00e901c3c1dc$5db70ff0$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <4017935eb3696bba1e6cffed3dbf2ddb@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:51:08 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) thanks dave, but '/ Weight' would have sufficed; less obscure, fewer chars. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 09:55:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 09:55:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1335 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 09:55:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1331 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 09:55:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 09:55:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 88497199D8; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8EDE19B9E; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:55:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 142AD19B45; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (nolifeandliberty.com [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B06DA19B05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:54:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <020eda3e731134e225958f0b66f5a0d8@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <00cb01c3c1d9$c57f63b0$89844051@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:54:07 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) You could also visit this page: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/avoirdupois and discover `ORIGIN from Old French aveir de peis `goods of weight'. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 10:05:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 10:05:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1650 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 10:05:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1646 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 10:05:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 10:05:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 57339199D9; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2AD819B9E; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:05:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C092D19B68; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:04:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams006.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n06.valueweb.net [216.219.253.152]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB7DA199D9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <226565-29259>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:03:36 -0500 Message-ID: <00f101c3c1dd$ee8df600$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <020eda3e731134e225958f0b66f5a0d8@collyer.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:02:21 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > and discover `ORIGIN from Old French aveir de peis `goods of weight'. yes, the french weights and measures system, before the definition of the metre, changed depending on the town/region. dunkirk (iirc) to barcelona -- 7 years of work (spanning the revolution) -- 'defined' the metre. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 11:01:00 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 11:01:00 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3476 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 11:01:00 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3472 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 11:00:59 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 11:00:59 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2772319B9E; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCC9019BA5; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:00:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 23DB8199BC; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:59:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from web60501.mail.yahoo.com (web60501.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.122]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4994B19B85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:59:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20031214015911.55259.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.112.132] by web60501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:59:11 PST From: "Dennis D. Jensen" Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <200312090150.hB91oZfq024908@math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:59:11 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --- John Stalker wrote: > You will need a > plan9.ini which tells 9load where to find this > kernel, but that > is not a big problem. It's after your kernel loads > that the problems > begin, since you don't have a plan9 userland. Right. I copied plan9-cd directly to win2k and before that to its own partition. It turns out that win2k resides on a fat32lba-disk, which is recognized by 9load, so I didn't really need a particular dos-partition. LD.COM doesn't work. I have tried many differenct options, but it just doesn't start. I've tried booting in dos-mode (failsafe). When I boot from the plan9-cd it fails to find 9pcdisk, but I can tell where it resides onthe win2k, but then it cannot find root of a kfs ("Root from:" with default local!#S/sdC0/fs) and it cannot recognize anything anymore, certainly not the graphic card anyway. As you said: I cannot get past the kernel. I've been experimenting, booting and rebooting all afternoon and some of the night and am a little tired now. I'll let things rest for a while unless somebody has an idea how to continue. > You will need > to create > enough of a plan9 userland under Win2k to get things > rolling. > This should be possible, but it may take a few tries > to get it > right. The kernel seems to insist on loading a kfs-system which I do not have yet: all things are on a fat-partition. It looks like the classic problem of the chicken and the egg: I cannot make any kfs before booting plan9 which cannot boot before I have any kfs... I don't know how to tell it where kfs (root) is: It won't accept any of the variants of "local!..." I've tried. The kernel did recognize my NIC (e100/eepro100), the cardbus and my usb! I've been reading up on the manual-pages 9load(8) and plan9.ini(8), but I don't know what to try next... Thank you, Dennis Decker Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 11:23:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 11:23:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4249 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 11:23:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4245 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 11:23:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 11:23:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 54AF719BC7; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A3DB19BAB; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:23:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CCF7619B98; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16CCC19A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBE2MJXG009780 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:22:19 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBE2MJfq023810 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:22:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200312140222.hBE2MJfq023810@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 In-reply-to: <20031214015911.55259.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031214015911.55259.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Dennis D. Jensen" message dated "Sat, 13 Dec 2003 17:59:11 -0800." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:22:19 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Right. > > I copied plan9-cd directly to win2k and before that to > its own partition. It turns out that win2k resides on > a fat32lba-disk, which is recognized by 9load, so I > didn't really need a particular dos-partition. > > LD.COM doesn't work. I have tried many differenct > options, but it just doesn't start. I've tried booting > in dos-mode (failsafe). I've never tried to use it, but I'll try it out on my laptop. Win2k's DOS emulation is kind of flaky. FreeDOS may work better. I hope to avoid going that route if possible, though. > > The kernel did recognize my NIC (e100/eepro100), the > cardbus and my usb! I've been reading up on the > manual-pages 9load(8) and plan9.ini(8), but I don't > know what to try next... > > Thank you, > Dennis Decker Jensen > I will see if I can get this to work on my desktop. I have the advantage that I have a working plan9 installation on my laptop which I can compare things to. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 11:53:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 11:53:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5176 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 11:53:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5172 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 11:53:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 11:53:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4291419BB5; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCAF419BB4; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:53:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1C26F19B76; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:52:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer01.geekmail.cc (dictum-ext.geekmail.cc [65.39.243.230]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C48A19A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:52:43 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mightycheese.com (adsl-67-122-68-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.122.68.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailer01.geekmail.cc (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBE2qejx020286 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:52:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00cb01c3c1d9$c57f63b0$89844051@SOMA> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:53:51 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i don't have one. iirc Z is used instead of S and 'colour' is spelt > 'color' > due to an early US dictionary SNARFU. you don't recall correctly, at least in the case of Z. americans spell with a z, as in boydize, because the english used to do that. the english changed in a fit of self-determined classiness early in the 20th century. check fowler. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 13:37:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 13:37:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8798 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 13:37:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8794 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 13:37:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 13:37:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4A28019B05; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56CAF19C46; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:37:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0356219A8D; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams003.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n03.valueweb.net [216.219.253.136]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15132199D6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <2730023-18020>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 23:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <012a01c3c1fb$7f7aeb60$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20031214015911.55259.qmail@web60501.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:34:00 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > LD.COM doesn't work. I have tried many differenct > options, but it just doesn't start. I've tried booting > in dos-mode (failsafe). strange. w2k install just worked (modulo vga woe). this data is old but might help: http://www.insultant.net/repo/plan9/usbflop.html From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 14:14:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 14:14:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9841 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 14:14:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9837 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:14:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:14:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C3C8119C1E; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A53319C49; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:14:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 689B219AEC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams006.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n06.valueweb.net [216.219.253.152]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87A5119AC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:12:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <229869-29258>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:12:08 -0500 Message-ID: <014201c3c200$a5a924a0$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 06:10:51 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > check fowler. snarf it up and post it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 14:28:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 14:28:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10302 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 14:28:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10298 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:28:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:28:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EDF8E19C38; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E447E19C5B; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:28:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 576F619AD5; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from brahma.sdgm.net (brahma.sdgm.net [64.32.179.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAE4D19B98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:26:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32123d268511cb5d3343ca137f386d82@sdgm.net> From: boyd@sdgm.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /lib/units Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:26:52 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) plurals being hard, i suggest aliases: brahma% diff /lib/units $home/lib 92c92 < /Avoirdupois --- > /Avoir du poids 128a129 > inches inch From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 14:48:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 14:48:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10838 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 14:48:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10834 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:48:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:48:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC78119C5A; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F9E819A10; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5AD2919C5B; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FE4C19A10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBE5lcfK003332 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:38 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBE5lc0O011299 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:38 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBE5lcd4017345 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:38 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <004901c3c1cd$052e4240$89844051@SOMA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:37 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, boyd, rounin wrote: > > and have it all work right. Allows one to not think at all, and who can > > complain about that? > > have you been reading the freebsd mailing list? ouch! No, I left it several years ago. But, /usr/ports is a great thing. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 14 14:49:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 14 14:49:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10853 invoked by uid 1020); 14 Dec 2003 14:49:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10849 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2003 14:49:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 14:49:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ACA8F19C46; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B68F19C6D; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:49:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 66F5F19C5E; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:48:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6574F19A10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:47:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBE5lwfK003337 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:58 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBE5lv0O011329 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:57 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBE5lvd4017352 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:57 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <004d01c3c1cd$43d98090$89844051@SOMA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:47:57 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, boyd, rounin wrote: > i think i woulda taken mothra and smashed whatever was needed into it. 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Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:28:31 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:26:52 EST." <32123d268511cb5d3343ca137f386d82@sdgm.net> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <568.1071415708.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:28:28 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > 128a129 > > inches inch done. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 00:30:59 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 00:30:59 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28837 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 00:30:58 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28833 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 00:30:58 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 00:30:58 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 63E2919C95; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0807B19C94; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:30:42 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2523E19C8F; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:29:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 920D419C8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:29:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AVYBH-00009U-Ju for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:29:15 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:22:19 EST." <200312140222.hBE2MJfq023810@math.Princeton.EDU> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <586.1071415753.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:29:13 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > I copied plan9-cd directly to win2k and before that to > > its own partition. It turns out that win2k resides on > > a fat32lba-disk, which is recognized by 9load, so I > > didn't really need a particular dos-partition. I may have a different way to make this work, but I'm still in the middle of preparing it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 02:19:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 02:19:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31091 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 02:19:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31087 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 02:19:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:19:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 596AC19C9C; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 250A519CA5; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:19:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 269A119C8F; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:18:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from web60507.mail.yahoo.com (web60507.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.128]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4715E19C9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:18:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20031214171825.23971.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.112.132] by web60507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:18:25 PST From: "Dennis D. Jensen" Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <012a01c3c1fb$7f7aeb60$89844051@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:18:25 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --- "boyd, rounin" wrote: > > LD.COM doesn't work. I have tried many differenct > > options, but it just doesn't start. I've tried > booting > > in dos-mode (failsafe). > > strange. w2k install just worked (modulo vga woe). > > this data is old but might help: > > http://www.insultant.net/repo/plan9/usbflop.html The comment at the bottom provided a good hint. Details, details. The following is from confused and a little mixed up memory. I downloaded plan9.iso.bz2, burned it to cd-rom, copied all of the content of the cd-rom to a directory named plan9 on my win2k-partition, which has a fat32lba filesystem. In c:\plan9\386\ there is a ld.com and 9pcdisk.gz, etc. "ld", "ld sdC0!dos!plan9/386/9pcdisk.gz" "ld sdC0!dos!plan9" or something like it from failsafe dos mode all have the same result: Nothing. I just get another prompt after a blank line. Then I boot the plan9-cd from the usb cd drive. It recognizes my win2k-partition, and errors when trying to walk to 9pcdisk.gz via "sdC0!dos!plan9/plan9.ini", i.e. c:\plan9\plan9.ini. That plan9.ini currently contains this line: "bootfile=sdC0!dos!9pcdisk.gz". I have another ini-file: c:\plan9.ini, which contains an experiment to load a floppy-image, but 9load claims that the floppy-image is incorrect. It contains this: adisk=#S/sdC0/dos bootfile=sdC0!dos!9disk.flp At the "Boot from:" I tell it "sdC0!dos!plan9/386/9load", but that signals an error that 9load is an incorrect kernel. Well, of course, it is not a kernel... I then tried the kernel "sdC0!dos!plan9/386/9pcdisk.gz" which is the only thing that has worked so far. It then goes on to "Root from:". Experimenting and using the above hint I now reply "local!#S/sdC0/dos", continue as user "none" and it actually tries to start kfs, but complains and eventually fails on the ground that 9P cannot be initialized. Before failing completely (9P) it asks a question about "reme?" or something like that about kfs, which I cannot remember right now. If I don't answer anything, the kernel panics after a few seconds: The panic message says something with illegal access -- that something is tinkering with the kernel... I probably forgot some important details. It's just to let everyone know what I tried. I still think it should be possible to tell 9pcdisk, the kernel, where to find userland, i.e. c:\plan9\ and c:\plan9\386\. BTW: The plan9.iso.bz2 is the stable one, if it should matter. The wiki talks about some more current, bleeding snapshots I've not seen mentioned anywhere else. Best regards, Dennis Decker Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 06:57:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 06:57:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6665 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 06:57:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6661 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 06:57:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 06:57:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 52A4919B95; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A504B19BBA; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:57:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2923219A8E; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 761B219B14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBELuUbV020400 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBELuUl22380 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:56:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312142156.hBELuUl22380@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:02:21 +0100." <00f101c3c1dd$ee8df600$89844051@SOMA> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:56:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "boyd, rounin" writes: > dunkirk (iirc) to barcelona -- 7 years of work (spanning the > revolution) -- 'defined' the metre. As in, the Meter (sorry, I'm American) was defined as some fraction of the distance from Dunkirk to Barcelona? I thought it was originally something like 1/10000 the distance from the equator to the north pole or something that attempted to be equally independent of political entanglements (not knowing, at the time, that that distance changes ever-so-slightly over time). I suppose it's much better than the Cubit (hey, the king died again! Time for a new unit of measurement!) - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:00:56 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:00:56 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6792 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:00:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6788 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:00:55 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:00:55 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8B87F19C4C; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:00:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E1B919C77; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:00:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E9A8019B84; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1776919B84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:59:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBELxgbV020522 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:59:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBELxgl22442 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:59:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312142159.hBELxgl22442@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:30 EST." <6786cb2c3839f91e170e726ac4ac0805@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:59:42 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Presotto writes: > %luhs means print out correct spelling of the string pointed > to by the argument. Wunderfool! Souper! - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:02:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:02:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6862 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:02:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6858 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:02:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:02:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D9B4519BBA; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACB5019B84; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 28F3319BE7; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8311A19C82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBEM10bV020645 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBEM0xl22479 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:00:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312142200.hBEM0xl22479@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:56:30 EST." <200312142156.hBELuUl22380@augusta.math.psu.edu> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:00:59 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dan Cross writes: > something like 1/10000 the distance from the equator to the north pole ^^^^^^^ Hmm; on second thought, one had better add a few zeros in there somewhere. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:02:45 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:02:45 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6869 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:02:45 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6865 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:02:44 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:02:44 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7F36219C8C; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B591519BA2; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D72DD19C77; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23F4D19B84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBEM1AXG003695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:10 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBEM1Afq022083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:10 -0500 Message-Id: <200312142201.hBEM1Afq022083@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 In-reply-to: <20031214171825.23971.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031214171825.23971.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Dennis D. Jensen" message dated "Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:18:25 -0800." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:01:10 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > It then goes on to "Root from:". Experimenting and > using the above hint I now reply "local!#S/sdC0/dos", > continue as user "none" and it actually tries to start > kfs, but complains and eventually fails on the ground > that 9P cannot be initialized. Before failing > completely (9P) it asks a question about "reme?" or > something like that about kfs, which I cannot remember > right now. If I don't answer anything, the kernel > panics after a few seconds: The panic message says > something with illegal access -- that something is > tinkering with the kernel... Ream. It thinks you have a corrupted kfs file system. In fact you have no kfs file system. It's probably a good thing the kernel panics at this point as trying to repair or reformat that nonexistent filesytem might do nasty things to the other operating system(s) on your hard disk. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:03:29 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:03:29 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6894 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:03:28 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6890 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:03:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:03:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C571E19BA2; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B274C19CAA; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1EE0019C97; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F6CB19BE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBEM2QbV020704 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBEM2Ql22507 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312142202.hBEM2Ql22507@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:58:06 PST." <25adb929af968608098bbfec3ce17982@centurytel.net> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:02:26 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "Skip Tavakkolian" writes: > BTW, why doesn't Charon count? I don't include Charon because it's *really* an Inferno program, and what's more, every time I try to use it, I just become incredibly frustrated and breath a sigh of relief when I can use something else. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:14:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:14:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7359 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:14:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7355 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:14:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:14:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA61219AC7; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BC4E19CAD; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:14:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 51A6E19C1C; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:13:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3489199F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBEMDEbV021218 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBEMDEl22592 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:13:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312142213.hBEMDEl22592@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:06:20 MST." <5e6776c82612c9c0a126b9e0170a962e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:13:13 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca writes: > I'll make a replica for ports of lunix software at ucalgary next week. And thus begins the slow painful process of the Balkanization of Plan 9. Started by a Bulgarian, no less! > I have an extra disk I can stick in for that purpose. The main issue > then is whether to use sources' auth information for the ports too... Yes, do, if Bell Labs will let you. My biggest concern is really the auth stuff, not where the data actually comes from. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:36:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:36:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8047 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:36:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8042 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:36:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:36:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0BF2219CAB; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9B2F19CAB; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:36:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0451019BFB; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:35:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65B6119B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:35:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2ca2e77d006470a7a47f98dde0b43f0b@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: <200312142156.hBELuUl22380@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:33:04 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) the metre/meter was 1/1000000th of the line running from the north pole through paris down to the equater. that was the plan, anyway. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:39:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:39:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8171 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:39:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8167 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:39:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:39:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C2E9019CB2; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA8EF19CAF; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:39:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 26A6E19CAF; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:38:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C83219B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from nospam.com (h00095b53ce25.ne.client2.attbi.com[65.96.64.199]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003121422381701200rf1spe>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:38:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3FDCE677.6000006@nospam.com> From: bs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units References: <200312142156.hBELuUl22380@augusta.math.psu.edu> <200312142200.hBEM0xl22479@augusta.math.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <200312142200.hBEM0xl22479@augusta.math.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: bs@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:38:47 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Dan Cross wrote: > Dan Cross writes: > >>something like 1/10000 the distance from the equator to the north pole > > ^^^^^^^ > > Hmm; on second thought, one had better add a few zeros in there somewhere. > > - Dan C. > It is supposed to be 1 ten millionth of the distance from the equator to the north pole. They got that wrong too... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 07:52:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 07:52:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8639 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 07:52:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8635 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 07:52:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 07:52:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5140019A93; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4AC919C6D; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:52:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8EC8219A93; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A59F119B34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:51:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: <3FDCE677.6000006@nospam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:47:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // It is supposed to be 1 ten millionth... well, it *was* supposed to be that, and yes they messed it up (and then declared the error didn't matter!). currently (as of 1983), it's defined as "the length of the path traveled by light in vacuum durring a time interval of 1/299792458 of a second." which has the nice reciprocal effect of defining the speed of light rather nicely. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 09:19:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 09:19:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12588 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 09:19:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12584 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 09:19:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 09:19:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CC92219BD2; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8B1B19C3F; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:19:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B951219C56; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:18:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF7D219AFB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <224360-14272>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:17:07 -0500 Message-ID: <011201c3c2a0$97eca490$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200312142156.hBELuUl22380@augusta.math.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:15:48 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > As in, the Meter (sorry, I'm American) was defined as some fraction of > the distance from Dunkirk to Barcelona? yes, a fraction. gravitational anomalies, imprisonment, revolution -- the whole 9 yards. great book. i have it in a box somewhere (with the ambiguity). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 09:23:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 09:23:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12913 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 09:23:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12907 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 09:23:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 09:23:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1F8A719B53; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:23:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1693B19CA6; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:23:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D742119C17; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:23:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0DBD19B53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:22:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <227043-14272>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:21:49 -0500 Message-ID: <012a01c3c2a1$4041e790$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2ca2e77d006470a7a47f98dde0b43f0b@9srv.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:20:30 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > the metre/meter was 1/1000000th of the line running from the north > pole through paris down to the equater. it was the plan, but there's water, ice and other problems; the earth not being a sphere. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 09:27:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 09:27:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13181 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 09:27:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13174 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 09:27:27 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 09:27:27 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0548319C47; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8953B19CA6; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:27:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4F0AE199D1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams004.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n04.valueweb.net [216.219.253.138]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C71519C81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:25:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <232621-11521>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:24:57 -0500 Message-ID: <013b01c3c2a1$b07385f0$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:23:38 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) the brits did a much more extensive lat/lon survey in india. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 10:50:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 10:50:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19024 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 10:50:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19006 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 10:50:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 10:50:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F1FEE19C6D; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12FF319CA6; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:50:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4C87319C72; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:49:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B8CD19999 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:49:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9361953d7548ddfdaa152a2c8f8087b8@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:49:19 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I agree with Dave. The browser is disgusting. It looks ugly > on the outside, and it's even uglier on the inside, in many ways. > About the only thing it has going for it is it can display web > pages better than mothra. I feel it's cute on the outside. This is depend on what the feeling one has. I feel it cute, because it has no decorative excess menu-like things at first, very simple. On the inside, I have not take a look, so I request you to be more specific on this point. If not, you may be counted as accusing them. > P.S. Next you're going to complain that there are things > in /extra that don't look and behave much like Plan 9 programs, > but Links is much further removed from those. ditto. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 10:57:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 10:57:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19494 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 10:57:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19490 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 10:57:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 10:57:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1727119CBC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C52019C81; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:57:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2B72E19C81; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from oenone.dat.escet.urjc.es (12.Red-80-26-99.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.26.99.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9096A19BFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:55:50 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <31c2ef52e3d5ec34f6939ec297143fdb@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz In-Reply-To: <9361953d7548ddfdaa152a2c8f8087b8@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:52:38 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,UPPERCASE_50_75 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > On the inside, I have not take a look, so I request you to be more > specific on this point. If not, you may be counted as accusing them. I am hacking it to try to add plumber and I feel the same as him. An example: if (!a) { if (!anonymous) msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, NULL), TEXT(T_UNKNOWN_TYPE), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_SAVE_OR_DISLPAY_THIS_FILE), NULL, ses, 3, TEXT(T_SAVE), tp_save, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, 0, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); else msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, NULL), TEXT(T_UNKNOWN_TYPE), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_SAVE_OR_DISLPAY_THIS_FILE), NULL, ses, 2, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); } else { m2 = stracpy(a[0].label ? a[0].label : (unsigned char *)""); if (!anonymous) msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, m2, NULL), TEXT(T_WHAT_TO_DO), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_OPEN_FILE_WITH), " ", m2, ", ", TEXT(T_SAVE_IT_OR_DISPLAY_IT), NULL, ses, 4, TEXT(T_OPEN), tp_open, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_SAVE), tp_save, 0, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, 0, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); else msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, m2, NULL), TEXT(T_WHAT_TO_DO), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_OPEN_FILE_WITH), " ", m2, ", ", TEXT(T_SAVE_IT_OR_DISPLAY_IT), NULL, ses, 3, TEXT(T_OPEN), tp_open, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, 0, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); } G From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:01:06 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:01:06 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19785 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:01:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19781 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:01:06 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:01:06 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 155F819CAC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:01:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78BD219CBD; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:00:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4280419BFE; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5ABB019CA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:59:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <9361953d7548ddfdaa152a2c8f8087b8@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:59:24 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The inside of links is like bad undergraduate code: awful style, duplicated code, everything done about as poorly as it could be, overly complicated, superstitious code (call this routine multiple times, just in case of some random, undescribed event), massive function argument lists, inappropriate use of data structures. I've worked it over this weekend so that it doesn't consume all your CPU time, but it's still mysteriously slow on some pages (e.g., nytimes.com). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:01:16 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:01:16 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19793 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:01:15 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19789 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:01:11 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:01:11 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B65F119CC3; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CB6119CC6; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:00:49 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3FBFE19BFE; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:59:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 914B819CBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from 02-190.015.popsite.net ([66.248.18.190] helo=acm.org) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AVi10-0006iA-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 17:59:19 -0800 Message-ID: <3FDD15C3.8010601@acm.org> From: Donald Brownlee User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units References: <2ca2e77d006470a7a47f98dde0b43f0b@9srv.net> <012a01c3c2a1$4041e790$89844051@SOMA> In-Reply-To: <012a01c3c2a1$4041e790$89844051@SOMA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:00:35 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Earth is an oblate sphere, no? boyd, rounin wrote: >>the metre/meter was 1/1000000th of the line running from the north >>pole through paris down to the equater. > > > it was the plan, but there's water, ice and other problems; the earth > not being a sphere. > > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:08:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:08:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20332 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:08:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20328 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:08:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:08:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 090AC19C81; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D95CC19CCD; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:08:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BB3A019C72; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams002.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n02.valueweb.net [216.219.253.98]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D746419CAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <557165-3667>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:06:35 -0500 Message-ID: <017a01c3c2af$e2f7ecb0$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2ca2e77d006470a7a47f98dde0b43f0b@9srv.net> <012a01c3c2a1$4041e790$89844051@SOMA> <3FDD15C3.8010601@acm.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:05:16 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Earth is an oblate sphere, no? bit like a mandarin; flat-ish at the poles. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:10:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:10:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20464 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:10:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20459 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:10:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:10:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5F9EC19C72; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C628419CC9; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:10:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D44F919CD1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 203.141.35.113 (39.47.44.61.ap.yournet.ne.jp [61.44.47.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5250719CBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by MS34 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.8 (1.8.4.0)); Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:08:38 From: petits_nya_milky_nya@yahoo.co.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mail Distributer Message-ID: Subject: [9fans] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJE8kOCRhJF4kNyRGIXkbKEI=?= Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: petits_nya_milky_nya@yahoo.co.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:08:38 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_SBL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) $B%a%kM'$5$,$7$F$^$9$C!y$h$+$C$?$i$*JV;v$/$@$5$$"v(B From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:30:58 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:30:58 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21692 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:30:57 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21688 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:30:57 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:30:57 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A2E2019CC0; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 92BA919CC5; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:30:32 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3DC2E19CBE; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:30:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10BCC1998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:29:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:30:11 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > but it's still mysteriously slow on some pages (e.g., > nytimes.com). yeah, and we have to resize the widow to see it... Have you found the solution of it? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:33:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:33:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21887 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:33:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21883 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:33:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:33:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EFB8719CC9; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78E7219CC1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BCC3419CC1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4505C19AFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:32:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4d68d28fccc0b9e9aede2a21bc295b6c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <31c2ef52e3d5ec34f6939ec297143fdb@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:33:00 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,UPPERCASE_50_75 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > An example: > > > if (!a) { > if (!anonymous) msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, NULL), TEXT(T_UNKNOWN_TYPE), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_SAVE_OR_DISLPAY_THIS_FILE), NULL, ses, 3, TEXT(T_SAVE), tp_save, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, 0, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); > else msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, NULL), TEXT(T_UNKNOWN_TYPE), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_SAVE_OR_DISLPAY_THIS_FILE), NULL, ses, 2, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); > } else { > m2 = stracpy(a[0].label ? a[0].label : (unsigned char *)""); > if (!anonymous) msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, m2, NULL), TEXT(T_WHAT_TO_DO), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_OPEN_FILE_WITH), " ", m2, ", ", TEXT(T_SAVE_IT_OR_DISPLAY_IT), NULL, ses, 4, TEXT(T_OPEN), tp_open, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_SAVE), tp_save, 0, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, 0, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); > else msg_box(ses->term, getml(m1, m2, NULL), TEXT(T_WHAT_TO_DO), AL_CENTER | AL_EXTD_TEXT, TEXT(T_CONTEN_TYPE_IS), " ", m1, ".\n", TEXT(T_DO_YOU_WANT_TO_OPEN_FILE_WITH), " ", m2, ", ", TEXT(T_SAVE_IT_OR_DISPLAY_IT), NULL, ses, 3, TEXT(T_OPEN), tp_open, B_ENTER, TEXT(T_DISPLAY), tp_display, 0, TEXT(T_CANCEL), tp_cancel, B_ESC); > } I insist that THIS IS NOT ESSENTIAL, JUST DIFFICULT TO READ THING.☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:34:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:34:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21928 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:34:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21924 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:34:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:34:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0841719AFE; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E30819CC8; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:34:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9C4EA19CCF; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4606519BCF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:32:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:32:57 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I haven't had to resize my links window; can you describe your problem in more detail? I think I've figured out how to cure the slowness, though. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:41:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:41:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22494 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:41:50 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22478 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:41:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:41:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B647C19BF8; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DEBD19CD5; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:41:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8BE3919CD1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:40:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A06D19981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:40:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:40:44 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I haven't had to resize my links window; can you describe your problem > in more detail? To see www.nytimes.com, it takes long time to get that page. However, we can get it's part fasters when we resize the links window and hit Ins key. Without this, it took over ten minutes! Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:50:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:50:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23010 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:50:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23003 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:50:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:50:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1CF4B19CD6; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AA7519CD3; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:50:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2874C19CC7; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0725019BB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AVimt-0000KE-25 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:48:47 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:49:19 +0900." <9361953d7548ddfdaa152a2c8f8087b8@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1252.1071456524.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:48:44 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > I agree with Dave. The browser is disgusting. It looks ugly > > on the outside, and it's even uglier on the inside, in many ways. > > About the only thing it has going for it is it can display web > > pages better than mothra. > > I feel it's cute on the outside. This is depend on what the feeling > one has. I feel it cute, because it has no decorative excess menu-like > things at first, very simple. As far as outside appearances go, I wish it used fonts that fit in more with the rest of Plan 9. That's my main gripe. The X11 fixed fonts (which it seems to have hard-coded in various sizes) have always been ugly. I do think that Links is a demonstration that we could manage to get a small web browser up and running without too much code. I'm not too optimistic though, since I fear style sheets and the like will soon obsolete any such attempt just like tables obsoleted mothra. > On the inside, I have not take a look, so I request you to be more > specific on this point. If not, you may be counted as accusing them. If you take a look, you'll see that I don't need to be any more specific. Everything about the code is inscrutable. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:54:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:54:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23231 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:54:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23226 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:54:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:54:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8FDBD19CDE; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95AAC19CDD; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:54:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 480F819CD1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B40619CC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:52:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2e383e9e03338085065720c92c16a101@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:52:54 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) nytimes.com no longer takes 10 minutes from here (California). There were also problems with flushing graphics. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 11:56:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 11:56:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23421 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 11:56:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23417 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 11:56:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 11:56:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7091919BAA; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 429A419BA6; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:56:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 344D319CD1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BDC4219CC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88297 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 02:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:55:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:55:20 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id hBF2tJL376729; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:55:19 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <88aa6d12ef6a7594bf72ef5fa6bd4a91@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:55:11 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Links not only suicide itself, also causes kernel panic if `-http-proxy' option is specified. term% links -http-proxy xx.xx.xx.xx:8080 links 138: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x0 pc=0x000dafd6 panic: boot process died: exit ktrace /kernel/path 80106720 800238bc : : You can see more complete messagase here; http://p9c.cc.titech.ac.jp/plan9/tmp/vmscr.bmp -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 12:01:04 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 12:01:04 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23792 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 12:01:03 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23788 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 12:01:03 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 12:01:03 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 922F319CA7; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:00:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B9BE19CDF; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:00:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F150319CA7; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7BE971999B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:59:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 88956 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 02:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 02:59:22 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id hBF2xML385393; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:59:22 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <1ced80d01a18ec54a5b7a944fddd9ca4@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] catenating subfont files, catsf Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:59:18 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Ttf2subf is great, but the ouptut subfont files have been sliced into very small pieces. For example, I tried ttf2subf on the Cyberbit font and it produced a font(6) file of almost 2000 lines. Furthermore, in cerntain ttf, the result was almost 4000 lines and it slows rio considerably using the font. So I made a program catenating multiple subfont files into a single file. The following lines would do the installation for you: hget http://p9c.cc.titech.ac.jp/plan9/catsf.tgz | gunzip | tar cd catsf; mk install See the manpage included in the tgz for more details. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 12:01:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 12:01:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23828 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 12:01:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23824 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 12:01:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 12:01:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B9AE519BA6; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01ED319CE7; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:01:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E7F5F19CE0; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B667019C9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:00:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:00:53 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > As far as outside appearances go, I wish it used fonts > that fit in more with the rest of Plan 9. That's my main gripe. > The X11 fixed fonts (which it seems to have hard-coded in > various sizes) have always been ugly. You mean menu and staus line fonts not text fonts? For text fonts in the main page I don't see any problem. > I do think that Links is a demonstration that we could manage > to get a small web browser up and running without too much > code. This is the very point which hit my brain! >I'm not too optimistic though, since I fear style sheets > and the like will soon obsolete any such attempt just like tables > obsoleted mothra. However, we should have one not complaining its difficulties. > If you take a look, you'll see that I don't need to be any more > specific. Everything about the code is inscrutable. I believe you. However, this is also shown to the public not only to mailing-list. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 12:10:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 12:10:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24219 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 12:10:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24215 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 12:10:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 12:10:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 37FDA19CE5; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E25119CE3; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:10:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 517C41999B; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EEA419CCF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:09:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <2e383e9e03338085065720c92c16a101@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:09:36 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > nytimes.com no longer takes 10 minutes from here (California). There > were also problems with flushing graphics. Great! Working for links now is very nice to all of us. I'm now in distance from it, because I have trouble to set-up fossil+venti system at home... sigh Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 12:12:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 12:12:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24457 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 12:12:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24453 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 12:12:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 12:12:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4CF7319CDC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 59FD519CE4; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:12:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C429D19CDC; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:11:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED78119CC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBF3B5bV004918 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:11:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBF3B5l23447 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:11:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312150311.hBF3B5l23447@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:05:16 +0100." <017a01c3c2af$e2f7ecb0$89844051@SOMA> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:11:05 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "boyd, rounin" writes: > > > Earth is an oblate sphere, no? > > bit like a mandarin; flat-ish at the poles. Nonsense. It's a disc. And if anyone tells you otherwise, excommunicate them at once! - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 12:14:29 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 12:14:29 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24561 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 12:14:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24556 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 12:14:27 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 12:14:27 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C7BF919CE1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:14:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC4B719CDD; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:14:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CE9F519CE1; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A30FD19BC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:13:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2cc9df3890c28e0d4a5766051f9c0198@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] how to repair other disk Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:13:47 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I might have made damage to /dev/sdC0/other, because I got wrong magic number error when I tried to to open it. Can I make it repair without destroying another partitions? And one more, can I re-dispatch disk/prep command to change one of the partition(slice) od it without affecting others? Of course, I use same numbers for start and end sectors for them. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 13:16:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 13:16:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28264 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 13:16:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28259 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 13:16:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 13:16:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3269419C1C; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E42B519CEF; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:16:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AED4419CDF; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:15:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (loadbalancer-VIP.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66A2419CEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (port-219-88-128-196.orcon.net.nz [219.88.128.196]) by dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with SMTP id hBF4CZJP010235 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:12:37 +1300 Message-ID: <003201c3c2c1$fe6340a0$c48058db@laptop> From: "Chris Hollis-Locke" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <1ced80d01a18ec54a5b7a944fddd9ca4@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] catenating subfont files, catsf MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -1 () ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,REFERENCES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.32 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:14:51 +1300 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- >From: "YAMANASHI Takeshi" > > Ttf2subf is great, but the ouptut subfont files have > been sliced into very small pieces. > > For example, I tried ttf2subf on the Cyberbit font and it > produced a font(6) file of almost 2000 lines. Furthermore, > in cerntain ttf, the result was almost 4000 lines and it > slows rio considerably using the font. > > So I made a program catenating multiple subfont files > into a single file. > Wouldn't it be better to fix ttf2subf rather than add more utils to fix problems with existing ones? I showed how to do it in a limbo prog I posted here a few months ago. You map subfonts to standard unicode ranges as defined by unicode.org. A simple scan determines which pages are present, you then produce subfonts with 0 width glyphs for those in a range that do not exist in the source font - causing draw to render a peterface. (there are other obvious optimisations to minimise the amount of glyph data per subfont). I haven't looked at ttf2subf but the Limbo prog was very simple, it cannot possibly be that difficult. Alternatively you could always use my Limbo app. Chris. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 14:33:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 14:33:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1229 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 14:33:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1225 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 14:33:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 14:33:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC24819CC2; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:33:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55A1319CF1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 706C419CD2; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0002119B14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15041 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 05:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 05:32:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 05:32:42 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id hBF5WfL410486; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:32:41 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <943e8175d45ee3c89867afdab107a959@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] catenating subfont files, catsf From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:32:35 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon Dec 15 13:16:44 JST 2003, Chris Hollis-Locke wrote: > > So I made a program catenating multiple subfont files > > into a single file. > > > Wouldn't it be better to fix ttf2subf rather than add more utils to fix > problems with existing ones? Looking into ttf2subf is harder than reading plan9 documentations and writing new program for me. :) > Alternatively you could always use my Limbo app. Exactly. I just overlooked your limbo program or I wouldn't have write this. I should have asked the list first. Anyway, it left me some experience. -- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 15:08:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 15:08:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3475 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 15:08:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3471 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 15:08:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:08:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 09FFF19BE4; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6EE3019CEF; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:08:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0C08B19CE0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:07:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B69EA19CC6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:07:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7805dd4924b34bfe750580c9aff6469e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <3FDD15C3.8010601@acm.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:11:06 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Earth is an oblate sphere, no? > Earth is a "geode". Geode is conveniently defined as an "earthlike" object. Same as with the speed of light and the length of a meter, discussed earlier :) Undergrad geography courses like this joke a lot :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 15:18:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 15:18:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3989 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 15:18:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3985 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 15:18:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:18:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EB34319CF1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55D3C19CEA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:18:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CC06619C16; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:17:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 90DC519C8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:17:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <19112631577958a3036c1401ad660a81@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:20:58 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > As far as outside appearances go, I wish it used fonts > that fit in more with the rest of Plan 9. That's my main gripe. I've listed this on the download page as one of the first things to implement if one decides to dig in. Gorka has found something a bit more important -- plumbing of unknown link types -- which I will put on the web tomorrow. > I'm not too optimistic though, since I fear style sheets > and the like will soon obsolete any such attempt just like tables > obsoleted mothra. We may be in luck here actually -- we have the infinite monkeys working for us. All we need to do is keep spending (conceivably less) time porting their efforts. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 15:20:50 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 15:20:50 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4083 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 15:20:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4074 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 15:20:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 15:20:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8698119CFA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:20:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCDB319CD7; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:20:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BCEC419981; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE49F19C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBF6InRR021703 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:18:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <4d68d28fccc0b9e9aede2a21bc295b6c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:18:51 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I insist that THIS IS NOT ESSENTIAL As boyd would probably attest, this argument could also be made about gun locks. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 16:00:57 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 16:00:57 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6430 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 16:00:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6426 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:00:55 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:00:55 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9346F19C8A; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:00:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 603D719C98; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:00:34 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 76C9E19C56; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:59:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams003.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n03.valueweb.net [216.219.253.136]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9112119AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:59:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <2720815-20116>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:57:26 -0500 Message-ID: <01ec01c3c2d8$83483da0$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7805dd4924b34bfe750580c9aff6469e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:56:05 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Earth is a "geode". a geoid, often modelled as an ellipsoid. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 16:05:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 16:05:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6682 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 16:05:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6675 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:05:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:05:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E063119C98; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:05:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 631FD19CC4; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:05:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8843D19C16; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams006.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n06.valueweb.net [216.219.253.152]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A200619C8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([81.64.132.137]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <217644-3080>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:03:30 -0500 Message-ID: <01f201c3c2d9$5cb2cf60$89844051@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:02:08 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > As boyd would probably attest, this argument could also be made about > gun locks. perhaps not essential [trigger locks], but it is the LAW here. the M9 safety/de-cock is very nice. here is the last Tango who 'argued' with me: http://www.insultant.net/targets/last.jpg From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 16:48:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 16:48:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9447 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 16:48:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9441 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 16:48:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 16:48:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1E2DE19CB4; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21F0F19CDA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:48:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E9BE219CCE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDC7D19CB4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBF7lRRR006606 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:47:28 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <77cfdf8935c75cce2ed4d9e152cfc70e@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Forward option for Mail Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:47:30 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I added a Forward option for acme/mail. I've been using it a few days. I was careful to leave the Q/Reply/all behavior unchanged. If you mark something that looks like an email address (has an '@' in it) and middle-left-click on Forward, it creates the new Forward buffer with that address in the To line; otherwise the To line will be blank. Another minor thing was adding the |spell in the tag line. diff /n/dump/2003/1207/acme/mail/src/dat.h /acme/mail/src/dat.h diff /n/dump/2003/1207/acme/mail/src/html.c /acme/mail/src/html.c diff /n/dump/2003/1207/acme/mail/src/mail.c /acme/mail/src/mail.c diff /n/dump/2003/1207/acme/mail/src/mesg.c /acme/mail/src/mesg.c 642a643,647 > if (strcmp(args[0], "Forward") == 0) { > char *to = (nargs >= 2 && strchr(args[1], '@')) ? args[1] : nil; > mkreply(m, "Forward", to, nil, nil); > goto Return; > } 1233c1238 < wintagwrite(m->w, "Q Reply all UnDelmesg Save ", 2+6+4+10+5); --- > wintagwrite(m->w, "Q Reply all Forward UnDelmesg Save ", 2+6+4+8+10+5); 1235c1240 < wintagwrite(m->w, "Q Reply all Delmesg Save ", 2+6+4+8+5); --- > wintagwrite(m->w, "Q Reply all Forward Delmesg Save ", 2+6+4+8+8+5); diff /n/dump/2003/1207/acme/mail/src/reply.c /acme/mail/src/reply.c 74c74 < int quotereply; --- > int quotereply, fwdreply; 77a78 > fwdreply = (strcmp(label, "Forward") == 0); 93c94 < wintagwrite(r->w, "|fmt Post", 5+4); --- > wintagwrite(r->w, "|spell |fmt Undo Post", 7+5+5+4); 97c98 < if(to!=nil && to[0]!='\0') --- > if(to!=nil && to[0]!='\0' && !fwdreply) 104c105,109 < if(to == nil && attr == nil){ --- > if (fwdreply) { > Bprint(r->w->body, "To: %s\n", to ? to: ""); > quotereply = 0; /* force inclusion of the whole message */ > } > else if(to == nil && attr == nil){ 118,119c123,124 < t = "Subject: Re: "; < if(strlen(m->subject) >= 3) --- > t = (fwdreply) ? "Subject: Fwd: " : "Subject: Re: "; > if(!fwdreply && strlen(m->subject) >= 3) diff /n/dump/2003/1207/acme/mail/src/util.c /acme/mail/src/util.c diff /n/dump/2003/1207/acme/mail/src/win.c /acme/mail/src/win.c From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 17:50:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 17:50:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12443 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 17:50:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12439 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 17:50:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 17:50:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7D38F19CC5; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 955E819CDB; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:50:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0BFB319CC7; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9B1A19C8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:49:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2a6430817769660bb980e1e946263c2c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <6786cb2c3839f91e170e726ac4ac0805@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:49:32 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are so many uses of %, that I miss something like /sys/lib/%master, or some convetion to aid programs to choose flags that won't be later used by other libraries. Is it just me? --upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Sat Dec 13 04:56:35 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3973D19C7C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CDF019CA8; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BEED619C84; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26BAB19C2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6786cb2c3839f91e170e726ac4ac0805@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) From: Dan Cross David Presotto writes: > I really dinna want to change %H. The logical thing there would be to > have a %h and a %H but little 'h' is already taken as a flag. > > I'll just fix apop with your suggestion. Many of the format specifiers in print(2) already can already be modified by flags; case in point: what 'h' does to %d. How about adding a flag to %H that forces it to use a lowercase map, instead of an undercase map? - Dan C. OK, %lH now means lower case hexdump. %luhs means print out correct spelling of the string pointed to by the argument. --upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 18:05:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 18:05:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13146 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 18:05:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13142 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:05:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:05:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 39C7C19CF7; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3892D19CDB; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:05:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B32CE19C90; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-239-45-4.google.com (216-239-45-4.google.com [216.239.45.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D765119B84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from glenda.corp.google.com (none@glenda.corp.google.com [172.24.64.198]) by 216-239-45-4.google.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBF94XCv010507 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:04:33 -0800 Message-ID: <4eac1646685e8d70c268990d5b99a04b@google.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: "rob pike, esq." In-Reply-To: <77cfdf8935c75cce2ed4d9e152cfc70e@centurytel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 01:04:33 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) surely you don't mean '|spell'; that throws away your buffer. perhaps '>spell' but even that isn't useful enough to occupy permanent tag space. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 18:09:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 18:09:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13307 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 18:09:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13302 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:09:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:09:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C7AAF19CDB; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0840019BF6; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:09:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A288019CE0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:08:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F63A19B84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hBF973AY010808 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:07:03 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] /lib/units Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE056158@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] /lib/units Thread-Index: AcPCuVInSJtHvRNbSuqZKegZcO29WwAMRDxw From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:08:24 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Nonsense. It's a disc. And if anyone tells you otherwise,=20 > excommunicate > them at once! Hmm, the routine procedure used to be to incinerate them.=20 Seems I've once again been passed by the progress. Actually, the world is just one big juicy lemon. Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 18:18:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 18:18:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13742 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 18:18:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13738 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:18:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:18:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 54D5C19C90; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:18:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0877E19CEC; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:18:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F0C1519CD2; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20C6A19B84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:17:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBF9H7RR028211 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:17:07 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <4eac1646685e8d70c268990d5b99a04b@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:17:08 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > that throws away your buffer. Aha... that is why Undo was also added to the tag line. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 18:30:57 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 18:30:57 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14359 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 18:30:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14355 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 18:30:56 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 18:30:56 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E60BA19CD2; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:30:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB97B19CF0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:30:31 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7FFB119CEC; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B81319CD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 04:28:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBF9SoRR011815 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:28:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <4eac1646685e8d70c268990d5b99a04b@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 02:28:53 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > perhaps '>spell' but even that isn't useful enough to occupy > permanent tag space. You don't know how bad I can spell ☺ I'm not sure where the '>spell' output is supposed to be going? can't see any of the output. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 20:43:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 20:43:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 18982 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 20:43:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18978 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 20:43:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 20:43:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9199F19C33; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:43:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1C8319C97; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CA1C019BEC; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FCCF19B6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:42:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units In-Reply-To: <200312150311.hBF3B5l23447@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:41:52 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // Nonsense. It's a disc. nope, sorry. it's a flat rectangle (which may also be a square). we can't very well travel to the four corners of a disk, can we? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 15 23:27:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 15 23:27:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23069 invoked by uid 1020); 15 Dec 2003 23:27:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23065 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2003 23:27:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 15 Dec 2003 23:27:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C15F619C89; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:27:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6EBF219C56; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:27:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 28F6F19C45; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D1F919BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:26:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect In-Reply-To: <2a6430817769660bb980e1e946263c2c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kiqvdpgsimneaekqfwjhinqfyc" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:26:07 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kiqvdpgsimneaekqfwjhinqfyc Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit grep varargck.*" /sys/include/*.h Some are overloaded, H, D, and M for example. --upas-kiqvdpgsimneaekqfwjhinqfyc Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 03:50:39 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 03:50:36 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5DF7F19CE0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0932919CDA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:50:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0BFB319CC7; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9B1A19C8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:49:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2a6430817769660bb980e1e946263c2c@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <6786cb2c3839f91e170e726ac4ac0805@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:49:32 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are so many uses of %, that I miss something like /sys/lib/%master, or some convetion to aid programs to choose flags that won't be later used by other libraries. Is it just me? --upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Sat Dec 13 04:56:35 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3973D19C7C; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:56:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CDF019CA8; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:56:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BEED619C84; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26BAB19C2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6786cb2c3839f91e170e726ac4ac0805@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] factotum apop protocol is incorrect From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 22:55:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) From: Dan Cross David Presotto writes: > I really dinna want to change %H. The logical thing there would be to > have a %h and a %H but little 'h' is already taken as a flag. > > I'll just fix apop with your suggestion. Many of the format specifiers in print(2) already can already be modified by flags; case in point: what 'h' does to %d. How about adding a flag to %H that forces it to use a lowercase map, instead of an undercase map? - Dan C. OK, %lH now means lower case hexdump. %luhs means print out correct spelling of the string pointed to by the argument. --upas-hlynkhvgqndfigmanccblaiegh-- --upas-kiqvdpgsimneaekqfwjhinqfyc-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 00:35:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 00:35:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25217 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 00:35:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25213 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 00:35:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 00:35:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 239C919C88; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C91D19C7F; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D4E5F19B37; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:34:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AFFE19B7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBFFYJXG002459 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:34:19 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBFFYHfq009718 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:34:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200312151534.hBFFYHfq009718@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "Russ Cox" message dated "Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:48:44 -0500." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:34:17 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) sic scripsit Russ Cox die XIV Decembris anni MMIII: > I do think that Links is a demonstration that we could manage > to get a small web browser up and running without too much > code. I'm not too optimistic though, since I fear style sheets > and the like will soon obsolete any such attempt just like tables > obsoleted mothra. The first statement is true, but misses an important point. The people who could write that small web browser won't. For a job like that you need someone with good aesthetic sense, spartan coding style, and a strong sense of order. But the browser has to render the vast majority of real pages correctly--that is, as the author intended and not as the (ugly and everchanging) standards specify. The problem with HTML in particular is that any idiot can write it, and most of them do. If you are in the habit of clicking "view page source" to see why pages render oddly then you know what I mean. If you want a working web browser you have to look at a vast amount of bad code and try to figure out what the author's intent was. If you want to fix links then that code is mostly C code. If you want to write your own then the bad code is mostly HTML and javascript. I am far too lazy to do either, but I think Andrey has probably chosen the less painful path. The second statement is also true, and is one of many reasons why we are not likely to see the browser equivalent of sam or acme any time soon. Who wants to write an elegant solution to a problem which changes every time a new edition of Internet Explorer appears? -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 01:43:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 01:43:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27816 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 01:43:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27812 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:43:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:43:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B8E3919C97; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2936219C4B; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B7D6519B67; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E725C19ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: steve-simon@ntlworld.nospam.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:42:02 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I want to want to export /net from my terminal to a remote cpu server. I assumed I could just do: term% cpu -h remotemachine cpu% bind /mnt/term/net/ /net.alt cpu% telnet /net.alt/tcp!111.222.333.444!telnet telnet: connection timed out (I used IP addresses to avoid ndb/cs and any problems it might introduce). I don't understand why the telnet fails. I think (guess) there is a better way to do this using exportfs/srvfs/cpu but I cannot quite see how... -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 01:53:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 01:53:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28152 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 01:53:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28148 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:53:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:53:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4D2F719CD1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:53:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAA8919CD9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:53:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CBA4219BCF; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:52:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer01.geekmail.cc (dictum-ext.geekmail.cc [65.39.243.230]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D63D719C0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:52:28 -0500 (EST) X-Envelope-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mightycheese.com (adsl-67-122-68-24.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.122.68.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailer01.geekmail.cc (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBFGqQjx026736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:52:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <39CF9F38-2F1F-11D8-AAD9-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:53:36 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Aha... that is why Undo was also added to the tag line. for those of us with smaller screens, that's just too much. the tag is there to hold important things plus scratch text. if you put everything you might want there, it reduces the usefulness. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 02:04:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 02:04:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28678 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 02:04:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28674 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:04:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:04:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D221819CD4; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFD6B19BC1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:04:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D40E919B72; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:03:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0169419C87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:03:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-rosuzievjqqaaollaoymlhxnkq" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:03:45 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-rosuzievjqqaaollaoymlhxnkq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What if you just do: bind /mnt/term/net /net and try it that way? --upas-rosuzievjqqaaollaoymlhxnkq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 11:43:36 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 11:43:33 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C762719B65; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 476D119BC1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B7D6519B67; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E725C19ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: steve-simon@ntlworld.nospam.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:42:02 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I want to want to export /net from my terminal to a remote cpu server. I assumed I could just do: term% cpu -h remotemachine cpu% bind /mnt/term/net/ /net.alt cpu% telnet /net.alt/tcp!111.222.333.444!telnet telnet: connection timed out (I used IP addresses to avoid ndb/cs and any problems it might introduce). I don't understand why the telnet fails. I think (guess) there is a better way to do this using exportfs/srvfs/cpu but I cannot quite see how... -Steve --upas-rosuzievjqqaaollaoymlhxnkq-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 02:09:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 02:09:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28818 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 02:09:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28813 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:09:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:09:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8BD2119BC1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:09:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB68519B72; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:09:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CAD4619B37; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8E1A19B7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is that even with addresses, the remove /net's cs comes back with a formula of /net/tcp/clone 111.222.333.444!23 It's a failure of vision on my part. I always mount like network to like so (/net to /net, /net.alt to /net.alt) and don't notice it. However, it is stupid. I've been considering fixing it for a while. I guess its time. --upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 11:43:36 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 11:43:33 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C762719B65; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 476D119BC1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B7D6519B67; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E725C19ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: steve-simon@ntlworld.nospam.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:42:02 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I want to want to export /net from my terminal to a remote cpu server. I assumed I could just do: term% cpu -h remotemachine cpu% bind /mnt/term/net/ /net.alt cpu% telnet /net.alt/tcp!111.222.333.444!telnet telnet: connection timed out (I used IP addresses to avoid ndb/cs and any problems it might introduce). I don't understand why the telnet fails. I think (guess) there is a better way to do this using exportfs/srvfs/cpu but I cannot quite see how... -Steve --upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 02:22:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 02:22:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29361 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 02:22:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29357 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:22:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:22:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2676219CDD; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B11719CED; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:22:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1828019CE0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8102C19B72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:21:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qvymsydvaschhbthofunqplsgo" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:21:46 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qvymsydvaschhbthofunqplsgo Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, after fiddleing some more I think I too understand. I can just mount over the top of /net for my application, not as elegant but just as effective. I'am not sure what your fix would be but a suggestion: Could cs return relative paths rather than absolute ones? The problem, of course, is finding all the things this breaks, though I guess dial() reduces these in just a handfull. Thanks for the help -Steve --upas-qvymsydvaschhbthofunqplsgo Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031215170940.SGFA14657.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mail.cse.psu.edu> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:09:40 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9AEC419CDA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD3CC19CCA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:09:08 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CAD4619B37; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8E1A19B7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:08:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is that even with addresses, the remove /net's cs comes back with a formula of /net/tcp/clone 111.222.333.444!23 It's a failure of vision on my part. I always mount like network to like so (/net to /net, /net.alt to /net.alt) and don't notice it. However, it is stupid. I've been considering fixing it for a while. I guess its time. --upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 11:43:36 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 15 11:43:33 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C762719B65; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 476D119BC1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:43:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B7D6519B67; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E725C19ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:42:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: steve-simon@ntlworld.nospam.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:42:02 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I want to want to export /net from my terminal to a remote cpu server. I assumed I could just do: term% cpu -h remotemachine cpu% bind /mnt/term/net/ /net.alt cpu% telnet /net.alt/tcp!111.222.333.444!telnet telnet: connection timed out (I used IP addresses to avoid ndb/cs and any problems it might introduce). I don't understand why the telnet fails. I think (guess) there is a better way to do this using exportfs/srvfs/cpu but I cannot quite see how... -Steve --upas-dguoisgnflmjldobittczxryjg-- --upas-qvymsydvaschhbthofunqplsgo-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 02:27:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 02:27:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29508 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 02:27:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29504 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:27:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:27:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 10E1119C0D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:27:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1293819CCD; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:27:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 259B419B72; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DF1419B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:26:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:26:48 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cs returns absolutes, clearly the mistake. Only dial and csquery really care and they already know the path of the cs called so they should be able to craft the abs path from a relative one. The fix can be easy. I change dial to ignore the absolute path returned by cs and just treat it as a relative one. Then recompile everything that uses dial. That way nothing has to be recompiled immediately. At some point in the future, I can change cs to just return relative paths. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 02:34:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 02:34:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29691 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 02:34:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29687 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:34:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:34:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5124519CED; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:34:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9B3219CF8; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:34:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A290B19CCE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73D3419B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:32:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <18e9bbfdf0a9c96d91be5e25657885af@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-paydlsuyvmopmijfplcxxvqqll" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:32:52 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-paydlsuyvmopmijfplcxxvqqll Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Great, I am pleased that I did understand correctly ☺ In case you didn't realise my previous comments on relative -v- absolute paths was susposed to be to you and not 9fans (sigh). -Steve --upas-paydlsuyvmopmijfplcxxvqqll Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20031215172735.TYQS14657.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mail.cse.psu.edu> for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:27:35 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4977D19CF2; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06A1C19C0D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:27:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 259B419B72; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:27:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DF1419B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:26:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /bin/export (tunneling out) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:26:48 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cs returns absolutes, clearly the mistake. Only dial and csquery really care and they already know the path of the cs called so they should be able to craft the abs path from a relative one. The fix can be easy. I change dial to ignore the absolute path returned by cs and just treat it as a relative one. Then recompile everything that uses dial. That way nothing has to be recompiled immediately. At some point in the future, I can change cs to just return relative paths. --upas-paydlsuyvmopmijfplcxxvqqll-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 02:42:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 02:42:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29979 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 02:42:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29975 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:42:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:42:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8B10919B72; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 994D319CD8; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:42:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6921A19CCA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CAAF19B4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AVwcs-00010y-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:35:22 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: vic zandy Message-ID: Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii References: , <200312151534.hBFFYHfq009718@math.Princeton.EDU> Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:34:57 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) how about writing a "browse server"? the plan 9 client sends a url to the browse server. the server, running on some other operating system, calls a real web browser to fetch and render the page. the server then scrapes the rendered page and returns it to the client for display. i can think of dozens of very icky issues -- forms, pop-ups, finding links, knowing when the page is loaded (or hung or unavailable), a reload button, cookies, ... more interesting, i think, is whether their solutions can be designed independent of the browser -- so that they can be solved once, perhaps by hideous and extreme means, but then maintained with light work. for example, the mechanism for scraping the page might involve accessing off-screen portions of a bitmap that have not been displayed (or perhaps even rendered). i'm sure that someone could corner browser brand X into coughing the bits. but is there a general (perhaps OS-dependent) technique to coherently "scroll" bits from another program's window? the incentive for examining this approach is that if successful it would avoid the well-decried maintenance hassles of both a native plan 9 browser and an eternally incomplete port of some other giant browser. compared to vnc'ing to the browser host, you'd get a client in a real plan 9 window and process that can communicate in the usual ways (e.g., plumbing) without helpers. it'd be simpler to fire up. also, perhaps the browser server could be designed to serve a group of users, which might be easier on an organization than supporting vnc sessions for everyone. alas, this is only a suggestion, not an offer. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 02:53:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 02:53:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30400 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 02:53:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30395 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 02:53:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 02:53:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5944E19CD9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:53:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4B7219CF6; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:53:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1129919BF9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:52:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4241A19CBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:51:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2b9c5644fef038bdbd785ce7c8e506b0@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 10:51:55 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > how about writing a "browse server"? > > the plan 9 client sends a url to the browse server. > the server, running on some other operating system, > calls a real web browser to fetch and render the page. > the server then scrapes the rendered page and returns > it to the client for display. This has been done already -- there's a script and a plumb rule in the 9fans archives that starts a new tab in Opera's window with the url being plumbed. Opera usually runs in a VNC window session. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 03:26:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 03:26:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31634 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 03:26:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31630 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 03:26:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 03:26:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 78AA419C55; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A3FB19CE0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:26:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D28B719BB9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:25:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from nanionic.dat.escet.urjc.es (gsyc106.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDE9F19C7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:25:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] plumbing added to links Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:25:05 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I added a little function and some calls to add some naïve plumbing to links. The only thing it does is write a handmade message to /mn/plumb/send. There are two things. A menu on the right button and plumbing when the mime type is not recognized. Mirtchov has added it to the web page. Adding this to your plumbing will make the magic. Be careful!!!. Without the first rule, you will have trouble... Enjoy! G. src is links #eliminate recursive links type is text data matches '(https?|ftp|file|gopher|mailto|news|nntp|telnet|wais|prospero)://[a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+([.:][a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+)*/?[a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+([:.][a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+)*' plumb to none type is text data matches '(https?|ftp|file|gopher|mailto|news|nntp|telnet|wais|prospero)://[a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+([.:][a-zA-Z0-9_@\-]+)*/?[a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+([:.][a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-+=]+)*' plumb start window links $0 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 03:57:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 03:57:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32745 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 03:57:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32741 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 03:57:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 03:57:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 810F019CD8; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0062319CE3; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:57:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E4DF219995; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from fed1mtao08.cox.net (fed1mtao08.cox.net [68.6.19.123]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCE0D19BB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cox.net ([68.226.105.127]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031215185619.IAEZ9010.fed1mtao08.cox.net@cox.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:56:19 -0500 Message-ID: <3FDE03D4.9080902@cox.net> From: Chris Van Horne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] devarch.c mb build errors Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:56:20 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA, X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) After a replica/pull a day or two ago, along with subsequent pulls, I've been getting these build errors on pc kernels (pcauth/pcdisk): 8c -FVw devarch.c devarch.c:759 name not declared: mb386 devarch.c:761 name not declared: mb586 devarch.c:811 name not declared: mb386 devarch.c:815 name not declared: mb586 devarch.c:878 name not declared: mb586 mk: 8c -FVw devarch.c : exit status=rc 2033: 8c 2035: error Any insight as to why this is happening, and or a possible [way to] fix? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 04:03:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 04:03:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 509 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 04:03:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 505 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:03:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:03:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 175FD19B71; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C4C219BA4; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:03:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 39C8319CE0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:02:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E76019B71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:01:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] devarch.c mb build errors In-Reply-To: <3FDE03D4.9080902@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:01:54 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon Dec 15 13:57:40 EST 2003, cvanhorne@cox.net wrote: > After a replica/pull a day or two ago, along with subsequent pulls, > I've been getting these build errors on pc kernels (pcauth/pcdisk): > > > 8c -FVw devarch.c > devarch.c:759 name not declared: mb386 > devarch.c:761 name not declared: mb586 > devarch.c:811 name not declared: mb386 > devarch.c:815 name not declared: mb586 > devarch.c:878 name not declared: mb586 > mk: 8c -FVw devarch.c : exit status=rc 2033: 8c 2035: error > > > Any insight as to why this is happening, and or a possible [way to] fix? Someone updated devarch.c without noticing other files were involved. Changes to /sys/src/9/pc/fns.h and /sys/src/9/pc/l.s are now on sources. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 04:05:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 04:05:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 531 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 04:05:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 527 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 04:05:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 04:05:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2418F19CFF; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:05:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BEBF19BB9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:05:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 798BC19BB9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FF0519AD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:04:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3644993faf57f2cdcd7a20586cda5acf@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] devarch.c mb build errors From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <3FDE03D4.9080902@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:06:35 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>Any insight as to why this is happening, and or a possible [way to] fix? some new/renamed functions haven't turned up yet. l.s i'd have thought, but we'll see. the fix from your point of view is probably to mention it here, then wait. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 05:02:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 05:02:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2849 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 05:02:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2845 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 05:02:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 05:02:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5B46219BF9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69F8119C82; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3135E19BE3; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:01:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from blob (wireless15.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.48.115]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A817419C2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:01:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=BLOB) by blob with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id HPYCY2-0000LC-MY for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:01:14 -0600 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 References: <2b9c5644fef038bdbd785ce7c8e506b0@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: vic zandy In-Reply-To: <2b9c5644fef038bdbd785ce7c8e506b0@plan9.ucalgary.ca> (mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:53:50 GMT") Message-ID: <8yld26lx.fsf@cs.wisc.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Rational FORTRAN, windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:01:14 -0600 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) no, i propose a native client, not one that runs from vnc prison. unlike conventional native clients, web page rendering would be performed by a remote service. the payoff for the user is a client that looks and feels and maybe even performs like a real plan 9 program instead of like a vnc session. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 05:46:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 05:46:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4269 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 05:46:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4265 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 05:46:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 05:46:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1DA9819BA3; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:46:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37FD919C2D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:46:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 705ED19B46; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from rapido.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7F2E919BA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:45:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <821b9f7828fa10065d6a71b68358344e@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <8yld26lx.fsf@cs.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:49:45 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > no, i propose a native client, not one that runs from > vnc prison. unlike conventional native clients, web > page rendering would be performed by a remote service. > the payoff for the user is a client that looks and > feels and maybe even performs like a real plan 9 > program instead of like a vnc session. so, vnc without the pixels outside the web browser window, then? :-) there are other problems getting it to interact "seamlessly" though: it lives in a different file namespace; and what about things like new browser windows, plumbing from the browser, etc? not to mention the fact that you need another computer around to do your rendering for you, not ideal when connected from on a laptop via your hotel room's IP connection... and to those that have used charon and found it frustrating, what were, to you, the most frustrating features (or lack of)? i certainly have a few of my own, but i'm interested to find out other people's priorities. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 06:37:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 06:37:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5767 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 06:37:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5763 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 06:37:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 06:37:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 02E0A19B9A; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:37:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E29519C2D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:37:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3603B19C2D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:36:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83ACC199E4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBFLaCbV024466 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:36:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBFLaBl26593 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312152136.hBFLaBl26593@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:49:45." <821b9f7828fa10065d6a71b68358344e@vitanuova.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:36:11 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) rog@vitanuova.com writes: > and to those that have used charon and found it frustrating, what > were, to you, the most frustrating features (or lack of)? i certainly > have a few of my own, but i'm interested to find out other people's > priorities. In no particular order, I found it: (a) didn't handle common javascript errors gracefully. In most cases, it should probably try to soilder on. instead, it'd just give up on ecmascript processing. (b) when last I looked at it, I couldn't run it in its own window, independent of wm/wm anymore. (c) it loaded pages slowly, if at all. I often found myself crossing my fingers that any given page would load. (d) often times it rendered things incorrectly. The javascript problems were my biggest frustrations, as I recalled. Too many things depend on leniency in interpreting javascript, and charon was too strict. I gave up on it as a browser long ago. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 08:02:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 08:02:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8173 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 08:02:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8169 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 08:02:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 08:02:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1AABA19CEA; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BEDB19CCE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:02:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 173B319C4B; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:02:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B153619B94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:01:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1264938d2997101c76ddf326c5758ff0@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <200312152136.hBFLaBl26593@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:05:59 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>Too many things depend on >>leniency in interpreting javascript, and charon was too strict. i suspect many of those pages are now fixed, because Internet Explorer is now by no means lax or particularly lenient. On the other hand, Opera gets messed up by some current javascript, so it's not all plain sailing. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 08:36:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 08:36:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9337 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 08:36:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9333 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 08:36:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 08:36:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 588F219B09; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:36:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E20A19CE8; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:36:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A2B8919B09; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ALPHA2.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha2.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0A2219C01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:35:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.84]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #39306) with ESMTP id <01L49E6G2NMA8ZSD5Q@vaxc.its.monash.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:35:02 +1100 Received: from blammo.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.its.monash.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5525C39C005 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:35:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from ajft.org (nbk-9978.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.3.170]) (user ajft) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blammo.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360332DC002 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:35:02 +1100 (EST) From: Adrian Tritschler Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 In-reply-to: <821b9f7828fa10065d6a71b68358344e@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <3FDE4523.8050705@ajft.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5a (20031211) References: <821b9f7828fa10065d6a71b68358344e@vitanuova.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:34:59 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) rog@vitanuova.com wrote: ..snip.. > and to those that have used charon and found it frustrating, what > were, to you, the most frustrating features (or lack of)? i certainly > have a few of my own, but i'm interested to find out other people's > priorities. Problems I experienced: My complete inability to get Inferno and Charon to install and run. A seemingly endless amount of fiddling, rebooting to Windows to download files, reboot to plan9 to try installs (a mandatory authenticating web proxy meant I can't get anything from the plan9 machine). Never did get Inferno running on plan9, I did have it (Inferno, not Charon) running on WinXP at some point, but by then I'd lost interest. maybe I'll try links! --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:ajft@ajft.org Latitude 38S, Longitude 145E, Altitude 50m, Shoe size 44 --------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 10:28:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 10:28:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15409 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 10:28:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15404 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 10:28:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 10:28:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7998919CF3; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5545A19CEE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AB19419C45; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:27:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7AFE419BCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:26:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:27:19 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'm now in distance from it, because I have trouble to set-up > fossil+venti system at home... sigh I got the solution, that is, DON'T EDIT /adm/users by hand! Now, I have fossil+venti+auth file server + terminals network also in my home. By the way, how about to have a "exit/quit" command in fossilcons(8) to make return the console i/o to auth server. I know most people are using rio for Venti+Fossil+Auth server, however, it's also possible not to use rio on that machine just to save memory. Is this a ridiculous idea? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 10:33:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 10:33:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15678 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 10:33:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15674 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 10:33:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 10:33:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3C81719D0B; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:33:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22E3E19CFE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 291D519D02; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:32:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AC28119BCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:32:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 2684 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 01:32:22 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id hBG1WLL78740; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:32:21 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <6564239b0a58d9a35c8592795ec328f8@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:32:08 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue Dec 16 10:28:42 JST 2003, okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > By the way, how about to have a "exit/quit" command in > fossilcons(8) to make return the console i/o to auth > server. You can quit from `con -l /srv/fscons' command by typing Control-\ and then `q' for quit. See con(1) for more details. -- YAMANASHI Takeshi From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 10:44:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 10:44:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16370 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 10:44:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16366 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 10:44:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 10:44:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A45BA19BA4; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDDDE19D02; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:44:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 17D0919B20; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:43:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6637519BA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AW3zb-00024y-PD for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:27:19 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 00:47:30 PST." <77cfdf8935c75cce2ed4d9e152cfc70e@centurytel.net> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <7994.1071538036.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:27:16 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I added a Forward option for acme/mail. I've been using it a few days. I > was careful to leave the Q/Reply/all behavior unchanged. I'd rather find a way to unify Forward and Reply. Rob already pointed out that this is way too much text in the tags. What does Forward do differently from Reply? Looks like it prints "Fwd: " instead of "Re: " in the subject line. Do you really forward enough mail that it's more work to double-click on "Re" and type "Fwd" than it was to do all this editing? If we don't put Forward in the tag, then clicking Reply, then double-click "Re", then type "Fwd" is still less work than typing "Forward" and clicking on it. Perhaps there should be a way to set the default Mail tags, and then Forward would be a little easier to stomach, and you could have |spell (probably Edit ,>spell) and Undo. But I'm very wary of that too. Using Unix software way too much over the last few months, I have been reminded daily of the first lesson I learned from Rob: adding interface options is no substitute for getting the interface right to begin with. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 10:55:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 10:55:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17144 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 10:55:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17140 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 10:55:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 10:55:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E895F19D22; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79FBF19CEE; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:55:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E84A19D0C; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4221E19B20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id hBG1rCb17761 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:53:12 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:53:12 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Russ Cox wrote: > What does Forward do differently from Reply? > Looks like it prints "Fwd: " instead of "Re: " in the > subject line. I'm truly stunned at this... Fwd is to a completely -different- destination. Re is to the source of the traffic. They are fundamentaly different functions. -- -- Open Forge, LLC 24/365 Onsite Support for PCs, Networks, & Game Consoles 512-695-4126 (Austin, Tx.) help@open-forge.com irc.open-forge.com Hangar 18 Open Source Distributed Computing Using Plan 9 & Linux 512-451-7087 http://open-forge.org/hangar18 irc.open-forge.org James Choate 512-451-7087 ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 11:03:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 11:03:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17682 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 11:03:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17678 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 11:03:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 11:03:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 08A6219CFB; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:03:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6012E19D02; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:03:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BC64319BD1; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36E1619B7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:02:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AW40o-00025R-NH for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:28:34 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to repair other disk In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:13:47 +0900." <2cc9df3890c28e0d4a5766051f9c0198@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8023.1071538112.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:28:32 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I might have made damage to /dev/sdC0/other, because > I got wrong magic number error when I tried to to open > it. Can I make it repair without destroying another > partitions? Sure. > And one more, can I re-dispatch disk/prep command to change > one of the partition(slice) od it without affecting others? > Of course, I use same numbers for start and end sectors for them. If you use disk/prep it will only reconfigure the partitions you edit. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 11:09:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 11:09:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 18100 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 11:09:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18096 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 11:09:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 11:09:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5751E19D09; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3229619D04; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:09:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B76F019D01; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1099B19CFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:08:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AW4Nk-0002Cb-Ds for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:52:16 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:53:12 CST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <8467.1071539534.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:52:14 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > What does Forward do differently from Reply? > > Looks like it prints "Fwd: " instead of "Re: " in the > > subject line. > > I'm truly stunned at this... > > Fwd is to a completely -different- destination. > > Re is to the source of the traffic. > > They are fundamentaly different functions. No, they're not. In both cases you're writing a new message to someone with the current message mime-attached with type rfc822. The only difference is the subject line (as I pointed out above) and the default destination (as you point out above). The default destination for Reply is some address on the message, but Forward has no sensible default. So in the Forward implementation just posted, you provide an address with a click argument. If you invoke Reply with the same click argument, the only difference twixt the two is the subject line! And if you don't give an argument, it's just not that hard to type one more keystroke -- ^U -- before typing in the new address. Either way, they're very similar. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 11:24:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 11:24:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19039 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 11:24:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19035 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 11:24:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 11:24:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D0C7D19D0D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15E8619D08; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:24:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E67319CE3; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:23:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45E0919CFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:23:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <6564239b0a58d9a35c8592795ec328f8@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:23:46 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> fossilcons(8) to make return the console i/o to auth >> server. > > You can quit from `con -l /srv/fscons' command by typing > Control-\ and then `q' for quit. See con(1) for more details. Ok, I'll try that. By the way, is there drawterm for 9p2000? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 11:58:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 11:58:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21232 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 11:58:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21228 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 11:58:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 11:58:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0019E19B66; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E383219B11; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:58:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 043F119AD9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3811199E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:57:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id hBG2uXC17949 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:56:33 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:56:33 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_NJABL,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_PINE,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Russ Cox wrote: > No, they're not. In both cases you're writing a > new message to someone with the current message > mime-attached with type rfc822. The only difference > is the subject line (as I pointed out above) and the default > destination (as you point out above). The default > destination for Reply is some address on the message, > but Forward has no sensible default. Exactly, thank you for agreeing with -all- my points. Re: 'knows' the destination address because it's the place you got the mail From:. Fwd: has no such destination because computers can't read minds. Happy Holidays. -- -- Open Forge, LLC 24/365 Onsite Support for PCs, Networks, & Game Consoles 512-695-4126 (Austin, Tx.) help@open-forge.com irc.open-forge.com Hangar 18 Open Source Distributed Computing Using Plan 9 & Linux 512-451-7087 http://open-forge.org/hangar18 irc.open-forge.org James Choate 512-451-7087 ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 13:12:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 13:12:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25358 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 13:12:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25354 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:12:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:12:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4DACE19ADD; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FD4C19B1D; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:12:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E869419AD8; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:11:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D30B19AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:10:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5bb12b215ad5be5b53810e52a3b34dba@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <2b9c5644fef038bdbd785ce7c8e506b0@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:10:44 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I recompiled links with Dave's new ape library (select() problem?) just before (of course including Gorka's plumb, thank you very much Gorka!), however, it still has select() problem. And then, it takes lo---ng time to get http.nytimes.com or www.cnn.com. Isn't Geoff's work is included? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 13:32:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 13:32:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26554 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 13:32:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26550 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:32:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:32:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EA96519B46; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:32:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C5BAC19B1B; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:32:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D761F19B01; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:31:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 818E819B1B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:31:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32b8c2e9a970c709fae50f878e2fe568@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <5bb12b215ad5be5b53810e52a3b34dba@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:34:52 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Isn't Geoff's work is included? No, it isn't. I have also gotten links to render using Plan 9 fonts, which speeds up things significantly (rendering slashdot in 3 secs vs 15 secs with Links' bitmap fonts). I need to figure out proper font sizing and then you can have it: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/links-p9fonts.png andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 13:42:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 13:42:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27059 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 13:42:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27055 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:42:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:42:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AFE4719B1B; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8909719B60; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 157AA19AF0; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D49EB19B38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:41:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b855042cc36ba4bb3da546e7bf4cdf7@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <32b8c2e9a970c709fae50f878e2fe568@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:41:45 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have also gotten links to render using Plan 9 fonts, which speeds up > things significantly (rendering slashdot in 3 secs vs 15 secs > with Links' bitmap fonts). I need to figure out proper font sizing and > then you can have it: Slashdot can be gotten about 3 secs here... By the way, the Links goes to stalled when we made Links alone for a long time? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 13:54:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 13:54:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27768 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 13:54:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27764 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 13:54:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 13:54:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DA6EA19AD9; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:54:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FA5E19B69; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:54:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3D0D819AD8; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:53:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C1A519AD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:53:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8294ba1d23ced124deebdb769045b4dc@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Links for Plan 9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <4b855042cc36ba4bb3da546e7bf4cdf7@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:57:03 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > By the way, the Links goes to stalled when we made Links alone for a > long time? I leave it on overnight without any problems... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 15:27:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 15:27:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 830 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 15:27:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 826 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 15:27:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 15:27:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 27EAE19B24; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9A8919BFC; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:27:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7B49919A68; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:26:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50C2E19B24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:26:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBG6Q5RR023043 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:26:06 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:26:10 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'd rather find a way to unify Forward and Reply. > Rob already pointed out that this is way too much text in the tags. > What does Forward do differently from Reply? > Looks like it prints "Fwd: " instead of "Re: " in the > subject line. > > Do you really forward enough mail that it's more > work to double-click on "Re" and type "Fwd" > than it was to do all this editing? Enough over the last year that I felt I wanted it. Initially I was thinking that the forwarded message should look like it came from the original sender (not the forwarding person), and the subject line should say something like "by way of ...", where '...' is the user forwarding the message. It was a passing thought. > > If we don't put Forward in the tag, then clicking Reply, > then double-click "Re", then type "Fwd" is still less > work than typing "Forward" and clicking on it. That is how I forwarded before, and it isn't a major issue to go back to it in order to stay in sync with sources. > > Perhaps there should be a way to set the default > Mail tags, and then Forward would be a little easier > to stomach, and you could have |spell (probably > Edit ,>spell) and Undo. But I'm very wary of that too. Would it have helped if tag was more like ~~sam~~ buffer? > Using Unix software way too much over the last few > months, I have been reminded daily of the first > lesson I learned from Rob: adding interface options is > no substitute for getting the interface right to begin with. All I said was, 'That piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah.' ☺ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 18:57:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 18:57:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14383 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 18:57:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14379 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 18:57:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 18:57:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9633919C61; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB26F19B91; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:57:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B22D119C34; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6F3019C3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AWBs9-0000v3-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:52:09 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robert Sherwood Message-ID: <6fe98129.0312151909.1a01693b@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] int cpuserver = HELP! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:51:57 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, all. I have gotten plan9 installed. Thanks for the tip about moving the cdrom drive to primary slave. That worked like a charm. I am trying to set up the machine I installed as a CPU server, and I'm having trouble getting the box to execute /rc/bin/cpurc. As I understand it, the only thing required to cause init to launch /rc/bin/cpurc is to compile and install a kernel with the following lines in the mk file: port int cpuserver = 1; Of course, I'm sure there's more work to do to get a working CPU server, but I can't seem to force init to launch "cpurc". Is there any way to query my freshly compiled "9pccpu" kernel to verify that it's a cpu kernel. I'm at my wits' end. It just keeps launching /rc/bin/termrc. Thanks, Rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 19:33:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 19:33:45 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16005 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 19:33:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15998 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 19:33:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 19:33:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0504B19CF4; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEBB519CE3; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:33:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC73E19C6C; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 889B619BD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:32:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <87ee4f42c20df0bb7d88ddab5ac64762@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] int cpuserver = HELP! In-Reply-To: <6fe98129.0312151909.1a01693b@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-oqlffdjzyvxqfylkyaravjcxvg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:36:34 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-oqlffdjzyvxqfylkyaravjcxvg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit port int cpuserver = 1; boot cpu ... --upas-oqlffdjzyvxqfylkyaravjcxvg Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@vitanuova.com id 1AWBxQ-0003RS-Bp; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:57:37 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AWBxQ-0003RS-Bp; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:57:36 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 236D919C44; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2E4719C61; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:57:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B22D119C34; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:57:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6F3019C3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AWBs9-0000v3-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:52:09 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robert Sherwood Message-ID: <6fe98129.0312151909.1a01693b@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [9fans] int cpuserver = HELP! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:51:57 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all. I have gotten plan9 installed. Thanks for the tip about moving the cdrom drive to primary slave. That worked like a charm. I am trying to set up the machine I installed as a CPU server, and I'm having trouble getting the box to execute /rc/bin/cpurc. As I understand it, the only thing required to cause init to launch /rc/bin/cpurc is to compile and install a kernel with the following lines in the mk file: port int cpuserver =3D 1; Of course, I'm sure there's more work to do to get a working CPU server, but I can't seem to force init to launch "cpurc". Is there any way to query my freshly compiled "9pccpu" kernel to verify that it's a cpu kernel. I'm at my wits' end. It just keeps launching /rc/bin/termrc. Thanks, Rob --upas-oqlffdjzyvxqfylkyaravjcxvg-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 22:40:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 22:40:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22445 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 22:40:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22441 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 22:40:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:40:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F073819B44; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:40:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0DCD19C6C; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:40:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C4A9B19B4E; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C95019A86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:39:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id hBGDcSM19985 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:38:28 -0600 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:38:28 -0600 (CST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_NJABL,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_PINE,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Initially I was thinking that the forwarded message should look like > it came from the original sender (not the forwarding person), Which will automatically lock it out of mailing lists that are subscriber-only filtered. > subject line should say something like "by way of ...", where '...' is And these are more descriptive than Fwd; why? Sounds like more NIH-syndrome. -- -- Open Forge, LLC 24/365 Onsite Support for PCs, Networks, & Game Consoles 512-695-4126 (Austin, Tx.) help@open-forge.com irc.open-forge.com Hangar 18 Open Source Distributed Computing Using Plan 9 & Linux 512-451-7087 http://open-forge.org/hangar18 irc.open-forge.org James Choate 512-451-7087 ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.com From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 22:48:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 22:48:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22819 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 22:48:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22815 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 22:48:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 22:48:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7DBC519BAE; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07D5219CE3; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:48:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 523EB19C71; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:47:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FD4E19BAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:47:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGDlh8R000138 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:47:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBGDlg7Q017116 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:47:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBGDlgl14939 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:47:42 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312161347.hBGDlgl14939@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:38:28 -0600." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:47:42 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > On Mon, 15 Dec 2003, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > > Initially I was thinking that the forwarded message should look like > > it came from the original sender (not the forwarding person), (just diluting the discussion, but anyway:) In (e.g.) mh there is a separate command to do that: redist(ribute), which uses Resent-* headers. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 23:17:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 23:17:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24589 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 23:17:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24585 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 23:17:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 23:17:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1913519B5F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9A9519D03; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:17:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3481019B5F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51BC3199FB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:16:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBGEGQER014147 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:16:28 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBGEGQ12014146 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:16:26 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail Message-ID: <20031216161625.A13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <200312161347.hBGDlgl14939@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <200312161347.hBGDlgl14939@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl>; from Axel Belinfante on Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 02:47:42PM +0100 Organization: Proxima Research & Development Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:16:25 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 02:47:42PM +0100, Axel Belinfante wrote: > > In (e.g.) mh there is a separate command to do that: > redist(ribute), which uses Resent-* headers. Elm and Mutt use "bounce" and it's a very nifty feature. But forwarding then is a case of Mime-enclosing (or otherwise isolating) the original message in a bigger scope where the forwarder can add her comments. I have had no cause to disagree with such conventions and in fact find acme/mail lacking in that department (no criticism intended, I plan to put my programming skill to the test in that direction once I've licked the ASN.1/S/MIME/PEM/X.509/LDAP/Remote Desktop/everything OSI project I'm losing my sanity on right now :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 23:21:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 23:21:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24804 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 23:21:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24800 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 23:21:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 23:21:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C62D019D04; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 403DF19D03; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:21:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DFEC519AC8; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:20:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 354DD19B42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBGEKYXG006495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:20:34 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBGEKYfq010130 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:20:34 -0500 Message-Id: <200312161420.hBGEKYfq010130@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 In-reply-to: <20031214171825.23971.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031214171825.23971.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Dennis D. Jensen" message dated "Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:18:25 -0800." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:20:34 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I still think it should be possible to tell 9pcdisk, > the kernel, where to find userland, i.e. c:\plan9\ and > c:\plan9\386\. I played around a bit over the weekend. Not much progress to report. I think 9pcflop may be a better starting point than 9pcdisk. When the install floppy boots after loading the kernel it claims to start kfs. There is no kfs partition on the boot floppy, however. It must be starting one in RAM, using something precompiled into the kernel as a starting point. This is essentially what you want to do. I wish I understood a bit better how the boot floppies are generated. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 23:37:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 23:37:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25508 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 23:37:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25504 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 23:37:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 23:37:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2025F19D07; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 833D919D06; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:37:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7062619B1D; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFAB819CF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9d4c20b77b4ced33e02bf15da127b291@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:09 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Elm and Mutt use "bounce" and it's a very nifty feature. But forwarding then is a case of Mime-enclosing (or otherwise isolating) the original message in a bigger scope where the forwarder can add her comments. Nedmail already does all this. You just lose it with the acme interface. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 16 23:44:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 16 23:44:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25667 invoked by uid 1020); 16 Dec 2003 23:44:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25663 invoked from network); 16 Dec 2003 23:44:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 16 Dec 2003 23:44:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 531E419C71; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:44:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B4A419D11; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:44:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B698519D08; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DB9F19B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:43:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWFyp-0003fb-Rd for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:15:19 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:09 EST." <9d4c20b77b4ced33e02bf15da127b291@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14109.1071584115.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:15:15 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Elm and Mutt use "bounce" and it's a very nifty feature. But > forwarding then is a case of Mime-enclosing (or otherwise isolating) > the original message in a bigger scope where the forwarder can add > her comments. > > Nedmail already does all this. You just lose it > with the acme interface. this just isn't true. acme mail Reply is exactly like R. if you want M, you just change the address list in the reply message window. same typing as having to say the address list in the initial M command. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 00:06:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 00:06:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26580 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 00:06:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26575 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 00:06:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 00:06:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DFF1E19C2E; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EC1519D08; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:06:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B114819C2E; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D350619AEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:05:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: David Presotto In-Reply-To: <9d4c20b77b4ced33e02bf15da127b291@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-yfrnsounxjerglsddjrdxwetmd" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:05:34 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-yfrnsounxjerglsddjrdxwetmd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So it does (doing this with acme mail). Guess I should try it more often (except that I've already made 6 mistakes chording and this is only a 4 line message). --upas-yfrnsounxjerglsddjrdxwetmd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Tue Dec 16 09:37:34 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Tue Dec 16 09:37:31 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E9E5A19D05; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:37:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD19219B1D; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:37:09 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7062619B1D; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFAB819CF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9d4c20b77b4ced33e02bf15da127b291@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:36:09 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Elm and Mutt use "bounce" and it's a very nifty feature. But forwarding then is a case of Mime-enclosing (or otherwise isolating) the original message in a bigger scope where the forwarder can add her comments. Nedmail already does all this. You just lose it with the acme interface. --upas-yfrnsounxjerglsddjrdxwetmd-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 01:55:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 01:55:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30564 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 01:55:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30560 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 01:55:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 01:55:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 03C8019C7E; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9CAD19ACF; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:55:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 95DBB19ABD; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-206.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F69419AEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWFvr-0003f0-Gt for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:12:15 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:16:25 +0200." <20031216161625.A13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <14072.1071583931.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:12:11 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 02:47:42PM +0100, Axel Belinfante wrote: > > > > In (e.g.) mh there is a separate command to do that: > > redist(ribute), which uses Resent-* headers. > > Elm and Mutt use "bounce" and it's a very nifty feature. The Resent- dance is awful. Most mailers don't present resent messages very well, causing the recipient to think it's a direct message, which usually leads to "now how on earth did this get to me?" or "I didn't know I was on that mailing list!". > But > forwarding then is a case of Mime-enclosing (or otherwise isolating) > the original message in a bigger scope where the forwarder can add > her comments. This is exactly what acme Mail does, no? Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 02:09:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 02:09:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31096 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 02:09:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31092 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 02:09:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 02:09:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0121D19995; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C68119C6B; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:09:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EFD1419A88; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from web60507.mail.yahoo.com (web60507.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.128]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 32B7919995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 12:08:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20031216170824.22371.qmail@web60507.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.112.132] by web60507.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:08:24 PST From: "Dennis D. Jensen" Subject: Re: [9fans] booting plan9 cd on thinkpad x23 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <200312161420.hBGEKYfq010130@math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:08:24 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --- John Stalker wrote: > I think 9pcflop may be a better starting > point > than 9pcdisk. When the install floppy boots after > loading > the kernel it claims to start kfs. There is no kfs > partition > on the boot floppy, however. It must be starting > one in RAM, Thanks for trying out! I guess it means burning a cd with a floppy-image in order to boot, but where do you have your plan9-userland when booting the floppy? On cd? Obviously that is not an option in my case, since my cd drive will be working as an overkill floppy... :-) When I boot from cd instead of floppy, I hope it will be able to recognize my plan9 directory on the harddisk drive (the fat32lba partition, c:\plan9). Best regards, Dennis Decker Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 07:07:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 07:07:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7912 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 07:07:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7907 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 07:07:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 07:07:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 89D6819AB5; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E04F619C18; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:07:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3AB6E19BE8; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C7D619AA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:06:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] /sys/lib/lp/log Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:06:33 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) the latest pull made a change to the lp library scripts but failed to create a directory /sys/lib/lp/log that lp assumes exists: # man -t test | lp -dstdout /sys/lib/lp/log/stdout: rc (lp): can't open: '/sys/lib/lp/log/stdout' does not exist # creating the directory fixed the problem. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 11:09:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 11:09:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20498 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 11:09:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20494 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 11:09:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 11:09:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 24E7E19C2A; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A977019C18; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:09:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E06819C2A; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:08:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EB1A19B43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:08:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <20031216161625.A13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:10:52 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>once I've licked the ASN.1/S/MIME/PEM/X.509/LDAP/Remote Desktop/everything >>OSI project I'm losing my sanity on right now :-) just say, ``what were you actually trying to do?'', i find it works well. all right, fairly well. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 12:27:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 12:27:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25089 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 12:27:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25085 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 12:27:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 12:27:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D468B19C5D; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2AC5919C27; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:27:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C207619B0F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B80D619C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:26:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBH3QU7W021555 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:26:30 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBH3QUPC021551 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:26:30 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] fortune-worthy Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:26:30 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) this one comes from a heated slashdot discussion someone had with somebody else: "Plan9 is just another Hurd -- a theoretically great OS that only gets used by a few people. The most it can hope for is that its best principles are adopted by a real OS." just letting you know where you are: andrey ps: i'll gladly accept suggestions as to what this OS may be (inferno is honorably excluded) and promise to summarize it in the Wiki :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 12:54:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 12:54:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26439 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 12:54:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26435 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 12:54:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 12:54:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5C56E19C5F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E2DF19C16; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:54:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B2D0319C5F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:53:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E795D19BA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ000201TFZ6Y@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:52:47 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.158]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ00015PTFW7M@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:52:45 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <004801c3c4a4$dc26d940$9e079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [9fans] drawterm Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:51:23 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) seems it works fine from 160 klicks north of sydney [.au]. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 13:10:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 13:10:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27435 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 13:10:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27430 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 13:10:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 13:10:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BEDE219C27; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A39619C32; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:10:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5FE7A19D02; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:09:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D88F19C27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:09:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67d56b7e78f4cf3ff276f866609e65ee@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <004801c3c4a4$dc26d940$9e079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:10:05 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > seems it works fine from 160 klicks north of sydney [.au]. To Eastern Coast? Dan is using fossil? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 13:16:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 13:16:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27823 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 13:16:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27819 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 13:16:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 13:16:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2119E19D14; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:16:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D0E519D12; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:16:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EFEAD19CF6; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:15:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3D7319C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:15:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBH4FdfK014187 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:15:40 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBH4Fdeo005550 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:15:39 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBH4Fdd4011428 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:15:39 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:15:38 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > "Plan9 is just another Hurd -- a theoretically great OS that > only gets used by a few people. The most it can hope for is that > its best principles are adopted by a real OS." all the same stupid shit people always say. maybe they're right, maybe wrong. But they all said the same thing about Unix, long ago ... ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 13:45:58 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 13:45:58 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29560 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 13:45:53 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29550 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 13:45:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 13:45:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AC91719D1D; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:45:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FE8319D12; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:45:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8BCE719D12; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C679019C7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:43:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ000501VT040@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:43:53 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.140]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ000MPOVSPW9@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:43:41 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <01d601c3c4ab$f75b3fb0$9e079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <67d56b7e78f4cf3ff276f866609e65ee@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:31:46 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > To Eastern Coast? yeah, new york. > Dan is using fossil? dunno. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 13:48:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 13:48:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29741 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 13:48:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29737 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 13:48:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 13:48:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA77719D12; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04B9B19D1F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:48:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E52CE19CF8; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFBFE19D13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:47:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:47:26 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > all the same stupid shit people always say. maybe they're right, maybe > wrong. > > But they all said the same thing about Unix, long ago ... However, now, things have been changed, that is, now most of computer users are naive users, and they don't want to LEARN computers. So, I don't worry about the number of Plan 9 users, because it's very natural in these days. So, I use Plan 9 for developping, and anything other Linux, and Windows at home. ☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 13:55:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 13:55:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30290 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 13:55:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30280 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 13:55:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 13:55:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4A01419D1E; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F091419D2B; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D606D19D11; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:54:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C36B919D1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBH4s2fK015150 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:54:02 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBH4s20O006286 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:54:02 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBH4s2d4012300 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:54:02 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:54:00 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > However, now, things have been changed, that is, now most of computer > users are naive users, and they don't want to LEARN computers. In the great days of the 70s, I was a card punch/tape jockey. People were pretty naive users then, believe me. The expectation then was that unix was a nice toy, but the real work would always be done on OS/370. Unix even had to have a JCL command for a while (according to an old V5 man set I once had) for submitting batch jobs to "real" computers. Some things never change, and resistance to new technology is one of them. But, sooner or later, better new stuff will beat out older crap stuff. It just always takes too long, and its easy to get discouraged. Plus, Plan 9 has this artificial and unnecessary 10-year delay thrown in -- it would have been easier had Plan 9 made it out in '91, as we all hoped it would. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:07:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:07:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31063 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:07:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31057 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:07:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:07:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F174B19D18; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5523E19D1F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:07:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 11F1219B67; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:06:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3021119A60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBH56eRR028897 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:06:40 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <042ab9d29a73258ef286a9a74f49aedd@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:06:44 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> subject line should say something like "by way of ...", where '...' is > > And these are more descriptive than Fwd; why? > So the reader knows who forwarded it, without having to sleuth it out of the headers. > Sounds like more NIH-syndrome. In fact it is Not-Invented-Here. I've seen this way of forwarding in Qualcomm's Eudora. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:16:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:16:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31568 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:16:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31564 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:16:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:16:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 25AD519D26; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E1AE19D1C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:16:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0990019C00; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:15:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2229019C02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:14:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBH5Ef7W021825 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:14:41 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBH5Eftp021821 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:14:41 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: <042ab9d29a73258ef286a9a74f49aedd@centurytel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:14:41 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I think we're underestimating the receiver's inteligence here. I myself have always been happy with hitting 'Reply', changing the To: field and letting the other side figure it out. Never failed so far... andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:23:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:23:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31998 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:23:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31994 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:23:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:23:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 39C3419D24; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7790019D28; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:23:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C019A19B55; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA4A319D21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:21:55 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] fortune-worthy Thread-Index: AcPEVJCRHtIv/JctThqzV0Mk6tB01gACLANg From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:21:53 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > "Plan9 is just another Hurd -- a theoretically great OS that > > only gets used by a few people. The most it can hope for is that > > its best principles are adopted by a real OS." > all the same stupid shit people always say. maybe they're right, maybe = wrong.=20 > But they all said the same thing about Unix, long ago ... ... oh, those poor believers in that the "invisible hand of market" = always selects "the best standards" -- you'll never convince them. Agree = with Ron. ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:28:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:28:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32208 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:28:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32204 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:28:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:28:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E4F8519D1C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CFCD19D29; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:28:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3594F19D1B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:27:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4504819B55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:27:01 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] fortune-worthy Thread-Index: AcPEWQkbLQk8CGRoTBCdm8fyVxuisgABNIXg From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:27:00 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=BASE64_ENC_TEXT,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,WORK_AT_HOME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) DQoNCg0KDQo+IEhvd2V2ZXIsIG5vdywgdGhpbmdzIGhhdmUgYmVlbiBjaGFuZ2VkLCB0aGF0IGlz LA0KPiBub3cgbW9zdCBvZiBjb21wdXRlciB1c2VycyBhcmUgbmFpdmUgdXNlcnMsIGFuZCB0aGV5 DQo+IGRvbid0IHdhbnQgdG8gTEVBUk4gY29tcHV0ZXJzLiAgIFNvLCBJIGRvbid0IHdvcnJ5IGFi b3V0IHRoZQ0KPiBudW1iZXIgb2YgUGxhbiA5IHVzZXJzLCBiZWNhdXNlIGl0J3MgdmVyeSBuYXR1 cmFsIGluIHRoZXNlIGRheXMuIFNvLCBJIHVzZSBQbGFuIDkgZm9yDQo+IGRldmVsb3BwaW5nLCBh bmQgYW55dGhpbmcgb3RoZXIgTGludXgsIGFuZCBXaW5kb3dzIGF0IGhvbWUuICDimLoNCg0KSSBn b3QgcmlkIG9mIFdpbmRvemUgc29tZSAzIHllYXJzIGFnbywgc3RpbGwgdG9sZXJhdGluZyBMaW51 eCBmb3IgdGFza3MgSSBjYW5ub3QgKHlldCkgZG8NCm9uIFBsYW4gOSAod2hpY2ggaXMgbXkgbWFp biBlbnZpcm9ubWVudCwgYm90aCBhdCB3b3JrLCBhbmQgYXQgaG9tZS4gRG9uJ3QgY2FyZSB3aGF0 DQptYWluc3RyZWFtIHBlb3BsZSBzYXkuLi4NCg0KKytwYWMuDQo= From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:38:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:38:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 315 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:38:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 309 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:38:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:38:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 515F619D21; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:38:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6934819D2D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:38:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 28E4D19C52; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:37:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E48D319D29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:37:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:37:38 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > In the great days of the 70s, I was a card punch/tape jockey. People were > pretty naive users then, believe me. Now, people who have interest to something intelligent toys can select Linux or BSDs, where too many of sources are there to play with. Why thet do so, because more imformations are available for those unices than Plan 9. Just image how hard to make Plan 9 network for them. > Some things never change, and resistance to new technology is one of them. > But, sooner or later, better new stuff will beat out older crap stuff. It > just always takes too long, and its easy to get discouraged. Yes, I agree. >Plus, Plan 9 > has this artificial and unnecessary 10-year delay thrown in -- it would > have been easier had Plan 9 made it out in '91, as we all hoped it would. probably most parts of the delay came from License matter of Plan 9... It has been too expensive to those who has much time but money.☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:42:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:42:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 636 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:42:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 632 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:42:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:42:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 380B019D44; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:42:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAC7919D28; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:42:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CB90F19C52; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A654319D1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:41:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:41:47 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,WORK_AT_HOME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I got rid of Windoze some 3 years ago, still tolerating Linux for tasks I cannot (yet) do > on Plan 9 (which is my main environment, both at work, and at home. To have Windows at home has one benefits for us. We see how it comes too difficult to deal with when we met unexpected ( not foreseen) problem. ☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:42:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:42:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 669 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:42:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 664 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:42:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:42:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8DAE519D37; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:42:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1544919D32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:42:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C15EB19D2C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:41:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCE7319C52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:41:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBH5fMRR017208 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:41:22 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <521fed096c8e9d2a0002d1f240e4e3a0@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:41:27 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I think we're underestimating the receiver's inteligence here. I myself > have always been happy with hitting 'Reply', changing the To: field and > letting the other side figure it out. it was established earlier this is the way to do it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:43:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:43:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 756 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:43:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 752 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:43:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:43:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7205519D51; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0CAB919D47; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:43:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9242919D32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A52F319D46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:42:29 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] fortune-worthy Thread-Index: AcPEVJCRHtIv/JctThqzV0Mk6tB01gAC9lcQ From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:42:29 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>> "Plan9 is just another Hurd -- a theoretically great OS that >>> only gets used by a few people. The most it can hope for is that >>> its best principles are adopted by a real OS." >all the same stupid shit people always say. maybe they're right, maybe=20 wrong.=20 >But they all said the same thing about Unix, long ago ... >ron from the same discussion on slashdot: I look at a system with plan9 on my desk (currently turned off), I read = your answer, and I remember this quote: "The IQ of a crowd is inversely = proportional to it's size". ;-) ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 14:53:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 14:53:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1287 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 14:53:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1279 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 14:53:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 14:53:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 13AF619C52; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BEE419D38; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AE19219B4C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE1D119BBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:51:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBH5poRR009367 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:51:50 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <7b1489ddfffb51a98eb639e1804fdb3f@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:51:54 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > To have Windows at home has one benefits for us. Same here. MS Flight Simulator. Correction, two! the other is VMware (to run a term in) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 15:09:07 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 15:09:07 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2594 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 15:08:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2587 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 15:08:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 15:08:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1D31C19BD8; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:08:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7748919D39; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:08:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7DEDE19D2F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F81C19AEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:06:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5654bfe12add13acc3290aa8fece0d81@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <7b1489ddfffb51a98eb639e1804fdb3f@centurytel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:07:14 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> To have Windows at home has one benefits for us. > > Same here. MS Flight Simulator. > Correction, two! the other is VMware (to run a term in) Mine's is MS money. sorry. _o_ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 16:12:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 16:12:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6268 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 16:12:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6264 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 16:12:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 16:12:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0C4A819D32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEDC819D3D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:12:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CA84B19BFF; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 379A219B6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBH7BEbV004922 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBH7BEl02503 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:11:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312170711.hBH7BEl02503@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:31:46 +0100." <01d601c3c4ab$f75b3fb0$9e079486@SOMA> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:11:14 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "boyd, rounin" writes: > > Dan is using fossil? > > dunno. No, I'm still using Ken's file server. It'll probably stay that way for another year or so at least, as I'm leaving for 10 months pretty soon, and don't have time to upgrade it (or move the data!) before I leave.... - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 17:21:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 17:21:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10621 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 17:21:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10616 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 17:21:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 17:21:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CA53E19BEA; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6153419C32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:21:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 83B1D19B0C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:20:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A38D419B8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 03:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBH8K87W022196 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:20:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBH8K8rT022192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:20:08 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail In-Reply-To: <521fed096c8e9d2a0002d1f240e4e3a0@centurytel.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 01:20:08 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > > I think we're underestimating the receiver's inteligence here. I myself > > have always been happy with hitting 'Reply', changing the To: field and > > letting the other side figure it out. > > it was established earlier this is the way to do it. > My post meant I agree with Russ, though you just saw the rationale... andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 18:58:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 18:58:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16078 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 18:58:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16074 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 18:58:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 18:58:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 53E5F19B0C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:58:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BBFA19D3D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:58:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1803719C0B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4CFA319AF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AWYG1-00018O-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:17 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Robert Sherwood Message-ID: <6fe98129.0312161446.7f8808b9@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit References: <6fe98129.0312151909.1a01693b@posting.google.com>, <87ee4f42c20df0bb7d88ddab5ac64762@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] int cpuserver = HELP! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:46:08 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=SEMIFORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > port > int cpuserver = 1; > boot cpu That's it! Thanks! Rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 19:01:03 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 19:01:03 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16220 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 19:01:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16216 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 19:01:02 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 19:01:02 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5CA5719CB3; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:00:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A8E319D49; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:00:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B330719D4A; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:59:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74B5419CB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:59:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-epxxrtrynlcequeauiouakagun" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:59:15 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-epxxrtrynlcequeauiouakagun Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IMHO, what will happen is that some years from now someone will re-invent the technology Plan 9 users were using 20 years before, give it a name like Java^H^H^H^H KJT9, and pretend that it's brand new technology. At that point, people would probably adopt it. My argument to support this claim is the history of CS. Couldn't resist. --upas-epxxrtrynlcequeauiouakagun Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Wed Dec 17 05:48:39 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2EFE219D1A; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04B9B19D1F; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:48:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E52CE19CF8; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFBFE19D13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 16 Dec 2003 23:47:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:47:26 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > all the same stupid shit people always say. maybe they're right, maybe=20 > wrong.=20 >=20 > But they all said the same thing about Unix, long ago ... However, now, things have been changed, that is, now most of computer users are naive users, and they don't want to LEARN computers. So, I don't worry about the number of Plan 9 users, because it's very natural in these days. So, I use Plan 9 for developping, and anything other Linux, and Windows at home. =E2=98=BA Kenji --upas-epxxrtrynlcequeauiouakagun-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 19:03:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 19:03:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16381 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 19:03:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16377 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 19:03:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 19:03:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0235219D49; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:03:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B0DD719D52; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:03:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF81C19D3D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr (diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr [150.140.141.181]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2937219D40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:02:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29424 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 10:02:03 -0000 Received: from zenon.ceid.upatras.gr (150.140.141.182) by diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 10:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 10893 invoked by uid 1556); 17 Dec 2003 10:02:02 -0000 From: Anastasopoulos S To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:02:02 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > this one comes from a heated slashdot discussion someone had with somebody > else: > > "Plan9 is just another Hurd -- a theoretically great OS that > only gets used by a few people. The most it can hope for is that > its best principles are adopted by a real OS." > > just letting you know where you are: andrey > > ps: i'll gladly accept suggestions as to what this OS may be (inferno is > honorably excluded) and promise to summarize it in the Wiki :) > > I think that the main advantage of Plan9 is that it revived OS research which was more or less irrelevant as Rob Pike pointed out. Its design and implementation is very simple and you can try new ideas without having to break the thick wall(COM, CORBA, Heavy APIs, 1G lines of source code...) the other OSes happily provide. Obviously it is not yet ready for prime time. It lacks a web brownser, a better web server, quicktime, C++( I really like it ), GUI, a DBMS etc... The core OS is however designed very well and all these can be integrated very smoothly. I think however that its main design goal---easy distribution of services and resources and the shared environment it presents to the users---has been 'superseded? replaced? ignored?(pick your favorite)' in the real world by the web, and that is another discipline. Nowadays the tendency is to provide web based distributed services and use the brownser as the terminal. I can't say if that is good or bad but this is how business are done today. In a plan9 world we would have a data base server that would serve something like SQL/, we would import it in our name space and then use our toolchain to manipulate it(cat, echo, awk or custom ones). In the other world this is done with mozilla, PHP, MySQL. It is my opinion that until Plan9 decides how to approach the web it will continue to be used only for specialized domains(Question: how plan9 is used as Bell-Labs and for what type of jobs? There isn't much information about its real world usage). An a final note, i completely disagree that is can survive if the other OSes adopt its best features. Because we have one architecture(x86) that means we must have one OS(linux i suppose). Plan9 is another design(better or not you decide) and i would like to see more new OSes or ideas rather than see linux take the world. I think that the main reason plan9 is behind in development is that most members of its community are more interested in the core OS(kernel, venti, fossil) than in applications. The problem is that is very diffucult to build from scratch applications like apache, MySQL, GIMP, OpenGL etc using the native plan9 environment(not ape ports) and then compare the results with the UNIX world but that would be the ultimate crash test. 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Ballesteros's message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:59:15 +0100") Message-ID: <86ad5rk8vt.fsf@gic.mteege.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:58:56 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Fco.J.Ballesteros writes: > IMHO, what will happen is that some years from now someone will > re-invent the technology Plan 9 users were using 20 years before, > give it a name like Java^H^H^H^H KJT9, and pretend that it's brand > new technology. At that point, people would probably adopt it. It happens now. One of my customers rebuild his network with SAN (fileserver), 20 Windows Terminalservers (CPU servers) and diskless terminals. Oracle announced better support for "grid computing" in 10g. Bis dann Matthias -- Matthias Teege -- http://www.mteege.de make world not war From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 20:19:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 20:19:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19819 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 20:19:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19815 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 20:19:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 20:19:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A773219A88; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:19:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6251819D52; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:19:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8CADB19D3B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB15719A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from luchie.demon.co.uk ([194.222.185.65]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AWZhX-0007dL-0Y for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:18:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE03B1C.9070909@luchie.demon.co.uk> From: David Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forward option for Mail References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:16:44 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Charles Forsyth wrote: >>>once I've licked the ASN.1/S/MIME/PEM/X.509/LDAP/Remote Desktop/everything >>>OSI project I'm losing my sanity on right now :-) >>> >>> > >just say, ``what were you actually trying to do?'', i find it works well. >all right, fairly well. > > I beg to differ with a usually superior intellect. If you ask the above, they will _invariably_ say, "Well, we're trying to build a GOSIP compatible protocol stack with JNT protocol compatibility to accommodate the following unused legacy applications ... ... X.25 over IP with a secret encapsulation, for security ... ..." ... and the next thing you're aware of is one or more of: 1) waking from a deep slumber 2) remembering why you packed the automatic weapon and lots of clips. Cheers, Dave. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 21:02:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 21:02:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21609 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 21:02:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21605 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 21:02:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 21:02:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4641719D08; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:02:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B87E19CDA; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:02:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 061A919CDA; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:01:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from edsac.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5C31199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:01:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <259d886a4cdf6e99623a1331a2fd3000@borf.com> From: Brantley Coile To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: <86ad5rk8vt.fsf@gic.mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:01:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Every few years I try something new. I'm typing this on an XP system using drawterm. I tried the cygwin stuff (don't get me started!). I've done Oberon (which I really liked, but ...), New Linux, FreeBSD, and a years back SUN with NCD Xterminals. I always come back to Plan 9, and I'm thankful that I can. I don't just smell this way, I'm spoiled. Brantley From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 17 23:31:07 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 17 23:31:07 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26713 invoked by uid 1020); 17 Dec 2003 23:31:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26709 invoked from network); 17 Dec 2003 23:31:06 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 17 Dec 2003 23:31:06 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9E02919AF6; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:30:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05BBF19BB7; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:30:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1567419B40; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:29:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3685119AE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:29:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:29:33 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > continue to be used only for specialized domains(Question: how plan9 is > used as Bell-Labs and for what type of jobs? There isn't much information > about its real world usage). At the labs, its used as a development system for approximately 8 people. It used to be a bigger crowd but Lucent, and to a lesser extent our lab, has shrunk a lot over the last 3 years. To a larger community (50 people) it is their main web server (about 100000 hits a day). It is a mail server to yet a different subset of our lab, using imap and pop3, as well as to those of us who use plan9 exclusively. We depend on it as our DNS server for cs.bell-labs.com and as the DHCP server for a handful of networks (100 systems or so). There are currently 3 large file servers, about 10 CPU servers of various flavors (about half of them multiprocessors of 2 to 16 cpus), and a few dozen terminals. It is the authentication server used by both Unix and Plan 9 systems so that people can use their netkeys (+ssh for example) to get into the company from the outside internet. We're using it as the embedded OS in telephony things we do in the lab. For example, an encrypted home ethernet bridge, and a wireless base station. And, of course, its still our music jukebox. Given all that, if we had to make a business case for Plan 9, the company would probably force us onto Windows for living and Linux for an embedded OS. In fact, they're on the campaign trail again to move the whole company onto an environment that's cheaper for them to support. We'll survive that because we do things they can't (like DNS hacks, IP protocol stack hacking, etc) but they'll take away some of users that don't hack kernels. It gets harder and harder to do business with the rest of the company unless you live 100% of the time on the same Windows OS that they use. We see the ratcheting effect of proprietary tools and formats, especially when the company decides on a single solution and feeds it to the majority of employees. While I'm happy about links, it doesn't really solve many of my problems. It simply can't deal with the (ever changing) Microsoft based web environment that Lucent has. I have windows of time when the latest and greatest mozilla/netcape can but those windows close over time (Firebird is currently holding its own but I'm already seeing fraying at the edges). We have a couple of NT and XP systems in our lab just so we can walk over, log on, and deal with corporate administrative stuff every now and then. A better multiuser version of VNC on windows would go a long way to making life bearable on that front. There's also the constant friction caused by not using the solution of the day for embedded systems. It used to be only Vxworks. Now its slowly opening up to Linux because its the flavor of the week at IBM and Lucent looks at IBM as the model of a reincarnated big company. The GPL scares management somewhat which acts as a damping force. 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My reason for saying this is, there is more incentive to develop applications for Inferno than there is for Plan 9, since those applications could be used on a multitude of platforms. It seems to me that with Inferno, it was said "we took all the lessons we learned from Plan 9 and built a better system", and then, it was all just discarded (by the primary researchers, (politely disregarding for the moment, VN)). Given how little manpower is left at the labs, unrealistic as it might seem to some, I'd be glad to see the two systems merged, for the sake of both surviving. The silly thing is, this is already happening to a certain extent with Inferno 4e picking up 9P2000, and slivers of factotum, venti etc., as well as drivers. Why duplicate the effort ? Why not take the best of both worlds ? cheers, On Dec 17, 2003, at 9:29 AM, David Presotto wrote: > While I'm happy about links, it doesn't really solve many of my > problems. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 00:00:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 00:00:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27525 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 00:00:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27521 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 00:00:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 00:00:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 63BA719B3E; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3227F19B8F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:00:24 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2282919AE9; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from edsac.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3B1C19B40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <05765b085429865f54c42d315b473a94@borf.com> From: Brantley Coile To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:52:50 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) There's also the constant friction caused by not using the solution of the day for embedded systems. It used to be only Vxworks. Now its slowly opening up to Linux because its the flavor of the week at IBM and Lucent looks at IBM as the model of a reincarnated big company. The GPL scares management somewhat which acts as a damping force. A problem with using Linux in embedded systems, and this would be true of any large source-only system, is that while it give the developers ready made tools, it also limits their solution to those tools. I watched one company use Linux pretty closely and it worked, but the solution is couched very high up. My first Embedded Unix product was shipped in 1988. It was based on V7 and was only 70K or so of kernel and a couple of small programs. The kernel was adapted to the applicaion. Worked really well. I recently looked into using Linux for an embedded system, but that didn't work out. It's not documented. I found it frustrating. Dropped it and went back to my own small kernels and just wrote more code, which I did faster than I could figure out how to get Linux to do what I wanted. Observation: A sufficently large amount of source == no source at all. (Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management to use Windows!) Brantley From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 00:25:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 00:25:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28313 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 00:25:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28308 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 00:25:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 00:25:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B874219AA5; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:25:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D694519C00; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:25:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3BC1B19A65; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31C0C19B6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:24:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: <05765b085429865f54c42d315b473a94@borf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-nxrsgasbyblvzaxxwqnegckqye" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:24:02 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-nxrsgasbyblvzaxxwqnegckqye Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > (Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management > to use Windows!) Research won't be forced to live on it. However we already are forced to use it to communicate with those who don't really care what the solution is, which is most of the company. Also, if we want to solve peoples' problems within the company, we have to do it in their context even if our initial experiments are on Plan 9. To boldly go, we can use Plan 9. If we want anyone in our corporate world to follow, we have (or someone else has) to figure out how to use our solutions in the other contexts. For most people, a keyboard and a manual are both fearful things to be avoided at all cost. Windows does a pretty good job of making an interface that can be more or less guessed at by trial pointing and clicking and lots of prompting. --upas-nxrsgasbyblvzaxxwqnegckqye Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 17 10:00:48 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Wed Dec 17 10:00:45 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D278119AE5; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 747D319B41; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:00:22 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2282919AE9; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:59:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from edsac.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3B1C19B40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <05765b085429865f54c42d315b473a94@borf.com> From: Brantley Coile To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:52:50 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) There's also the constant friction caused by not using the solution of the day for embedded systems. It used to be only Vxworks. Now its slowly opening up to Linux because its the flavor of the week at IBM and Lucent looks at IBM as the model of a reincarnated big company. The GPL scares management somewhat which acts as a damping force. A problem with using Linux in embedded systems, and this would be true of any large source-only system, is that while it give the developers ready made tools, it also limits their solution to those tools. I watched one company use Linux pretty closely and it worked, but the solution is couched very high up. My first Embedded Unix product was shipped in 1988. It was based on V7 and was only 70K or so of kernel and a couple of small programs. The kernel was adapted to the applicaion. Worked really well. I recently looked into using Linux for an embedded system, but that didn't work out. It's not documented. I found it frustrating. Dropped it and went back to my own small kernels and just wrote more code, which I did faster than I could figure out how to get Linux to do what I wanted. Observation: A sufficently large amount of source == no source at all. (Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management to use Windows!) Brantley --upas-nxrsgasbyblvzaxxwqnegckqye-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 00:48:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 00:48:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28982 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 00:48:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28978 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 00:48:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 00:48:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B692F19C0B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 611D719C32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:48:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3281619AE0; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:47:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97C9A19A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWURI-0008Ba-Cf for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:41:40 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:52:45 EST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <31468.1071639697.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:41:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Given how little manpower is left at the labs, unrealistic > as it might seem to some, I'd be glad to see the two systems > merged, for the sake of both surviving. The silly thing is, this > is already happening to a certain extent with Inferno 4e picking > up 9P2000, and slivers of factotum, venti etc., as well as > drivers. Why duplicate the effort ? Why not take the best > of both worlds ? inferno can't run unix c programs. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 01:10:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 01:10:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29765 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 01:10:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29761 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:10:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:10:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EC58719C16; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:10:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8374719B1D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:10:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DB13119B6F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:09:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from bache.ece.cmu.edu (BACHE.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.129.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4DCE419A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix, from userid 953) id 274909F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.2.79.42] (MUNG.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.79.42]) by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E5EA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:09:01 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <52739892-30AB-11D8-A6EC-000A95C53D8A@suspicious.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: suspect@suspicious.org Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:08:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.7 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Dec 17, 2003, at 12:41 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > > inferno can't run unix c programs. That's a point, though many would admit for writing new applications, many would prefer to write them in Limbo (and know they will be available on other platforms too), than to write them from scratch in C. The effort to be put into, say, a web browser (to pick a recent example) is one case. For already existing applications, there is the C to Limbo translator, and then there is : ; date Wed Dec 17 16:01:10 GMT 2003 ; bind -a '#*myrmigki' /dev ; cd /dev/myrmigki/ ; cat new ; cd 0 ; echo -n srecl /srecs/dhrystone.sr > ctl ; tail -f stdout & ; echo -n run > ctl ; Dhrystone Benchmark, Version 2.1 (Language: C) Program compiled without 'register' attribute Execution starts, 65536 runs through Dhrystone ... Which lets you run compiled C programs, albeit not as fast in as JIT compiled Limbo on Dis, over Inferno. But what do I care, my livelihood depends neither on Inferno nor Plan 9, and I'm neither a zealot nor a bigot :-) cheers, On Dec 17, 2003, at 12:41 AM, Russ Cox wrote: >> Given how little manpower is left at the labs, unrealistic >> as it might seem to some, I'd be glad to see the two systems >> merged, for the sake of both surviving. The silly thing is, this >> is already happening to a certain extent with Inferno 4e picking >> up 9P2000, and slivers of factotum, venti etc., as well as >> drivers. Why duplicate the effort ? Why not take the best >> of both worlds ? > > inferno can't run unix c programs. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 01:33:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 01:33:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30370 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 01:33:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30366 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:33:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:33:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0474F19C02; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B012B19CEE; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:33:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 00B7019B6D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3717319BA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBHGWFXG027803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:32:15 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBHGWFfq019532 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:32:15 -0500 Message-Id: <200312171632.hBHGWFfq019532@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Anastasopoulos S message dated "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:02:02 +0200." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:32:15 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I think however that its main design goal---easy distribution of services > and resources and the shared environment it presents to the users---has > been 'superseded? replaced? ignored?(pick your favorite)' in the real > world by the web, and that is another discipline. I disagree somewhat. Per machine namespaces are really a great nuisance. I have three and a half machines at home and one at work and I already feel the strain of keeping everything in sync. Web interfaces are not much good for this, and the standard solutions--NSF, rsync, etc.--feel like the hacks that they are. I can only imagine what administering a large network is like. The problem is, I think, a bit more subtle. The per process namespace idea and largely transparent networking are still as good an idea now as they were originally. Plan9 doesn't work as seemlessly as I would like, however, in a network whose topology is continually changing. My laptop, for example, may be part of my LAN, the internet, my employer's LAN, or operating stand-alone. Other OSes are no better at this, but it seems that this is the sort of thing to which plan9 should be well suited. Plan B has some interesting ideas in this area. Plan9 also has some problems at small scales. It really wants a dedicated file server, though not quite as badly as in the old days. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 01:37:28 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 01:37:28 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30482 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 01:37:27 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30478 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:37:26 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:37:26 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5F3A619D1A; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B90B219C26; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:37:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E0DF119B6D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:36:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (mail.math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.14]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3997219C26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:35:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (math.Princeton.EDU [128.112.18.16]) by Mail.Math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBHGZoXG028102 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:35:50 -0500 Received: from math.Princeton.EDU (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by math.Princeton.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBHGZofq019798 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:35:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200312171635.hBHGZofq019798@math.Princeton.EDU> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Anastasopoulos S message dated "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:02:02 +0200." From: John Stalker Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:35:50 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I think that the main reason plan9 is behind in development is that most > members of its community are more interested in the core OS(kernel, venti, > fossil) than in applications. The problem is that is very diffucult to > build from scratch applications like apache, MySQL, GIMP, OpenGL etc using > the native plan9 environment(not ape ports) and then compare the results > with the UNIX world but that would be the ultimate crash test. Not to mention that last time I checked we have only one game, snake. Even my old Vic20 had a choice of 8. -- John Stalker Department of Mathematics Princeton University (609)258-6469 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 01:42:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 01:42:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30631 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 01:42:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30627 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:42:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:42:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E7D719D2B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2372019C37; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:42:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B1C4619C25; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC6E9199D5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:41:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0e03b84bd5d3f4dab8f78bd3a55d0158@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <200312171635.hBHGZofq019798@math.Princeton.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:41:35 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Not to mention that last time I checked we have only one game, snake. > Even my old Vic20 had a choice of 8. MesaGL is the next port in the pipeline. I really hope we'll be able to run the basic demos in software rendering. May have to wait a bit for faster processors though... :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 01:56:54 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 01:56:54 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31196 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 01:56:53 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31192 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:56:52 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:56:52 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B125519C0C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:56:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA30619D2A; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:56:25 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A9BF219BAD; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E382619B9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBHGslER023751; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:54:47 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBHGshYI023750; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:54:43 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: David Presotto Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-ID: <20031217185442.G13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: David Presotto , 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from David Presotto on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:29:33AM -0500 Organization: Proxima Research & Development Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:54:42 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:29:33AM -0500, David Presotto wrote: > > [ ... ] > > It is the authentication server used by both Unix and Plan 9 systems > so that people can use their netkeys (+ssh for example) to get into the > company from the outside internet. > Am I to understand that it is possible to auth to Plan 9 from Unix? Are such tools broadly available? PAM, perhaps? > A better multiuser version of VNC on windows would go a long way to > making life bearable on that front. > Remote desktop (I think) is one of the tools I've been looking at (I mentioned it as a client of ASN.1 earlier today) and whereas my priority is SPAM (hence S/MIME - are you aware that rsa2x509(1) claims to add a DN, but doesn't, incidentally? I'll work on the docs once I have something to show) I wouldn't mind returning to rdesktop if BL have a real need for it. On my side, I want to see Plan 9 serve the protocol, so thin clients can be used unmodified, but I'm nearly ready to tackle the client. In case remote desktop means nothing to you (Ron Minnich wasn't familiar with the concept) it's also known as Terminal Server Client and originally was Cytrix. In fact, if time is of the essence to prove a point, I managed to compile rdesktop 1.10 (I seem to recall) but the graphics module (that package seems quite elegantly contructed) was way above my skills level. Still, it was only one file, and not a very large one at that. > There's also the constant friction caused by not using the solution of the > day for embedded systems. It used to be only Vxworks. Now its slowly opening > up to Linux because its the flavor of the week at IBM and Lucent looks at > IBM as the model of a reincarnated big company. The GPL scares management > somewhat which acts as a damping force. The BSD licence ought to appeal to management more, despite a recent clash with UCB. Go figure. I actually assumed Lucent would be reluctant to follow in IBM's footsteps. What would be the official fate of Plan 9 if Bell Labs migrated to a new platform? ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 01:57:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 01:57:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31215 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 01:57:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31211 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 01:57:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 01:57:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9887619D3B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDBE819D55; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:57:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CDF4219C26; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2484C19C0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:55:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBHGtvER023758 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:55:57 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBHGtvJI023757 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:55:57 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-ID: <20031217185556.H13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: <20031217185442.G13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <20031217185442.G13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za>; from Lucio De Re on Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:54:42PM +0200 Organization: Proxima Research & Development Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:55:56 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:54:42PM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 09:29:33AM -0500, David Presotto wrote: > > > > [ ... ] > > > > It is the authentication server used by both Unix and Plan 9 systems > > so that people can use their netkeys (+ssh for example) to get into the > > company from the outside internet. > > Oops, meant as private mail, excuse the liberties... ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 02:13:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 02:13:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31720 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 02:13:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31714 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 02:13:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 02:13:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6CAED19AD2; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DB3519BEF; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:13:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DCC3619A31; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from web60504.mail.yahoo.com (web60504.mail.yahoo.com [216.109.116.125]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D109D19AC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:12:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20031217171216.95310.qmail@web60504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.237.112.132] by web60504.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:12:16 PST From: "Dennis D. Jensen" Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:12:16 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Spreading a little FUD are we? OK. I couldn't help it... --- Anastasopoulos S wrote: > > > On Tue, 16 Dec 2003, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > this one comes from a heated slashdot discussion > someone had with somebody > > else: > > > > "Plan9 is just another Hurd -- a theoretically > great OS that > > only gets used by a few people. The most it can > hope for is that > > its best principles are adopted by a real OS." > > > > just letting you know where you are: andrey > > > > ps: i'll gladly accept suggestions as to what this > OS may be (inferno is > > honorably excluded) and promise to summarize it in > the Wiki :) > > > > > > Obviously it is not yet ready for prime time. It > lacks a web brownser, a > better web server, quicktime, C++( I really like it > ), GUI, a DBMS etc... > The core OS is however designed very well and all > these can be integrated > very smoothly. What was the quote? "Fashion is such a abomination that it must change every 6 months." -- cannot remember the name of the author. > Nowadays the tendency is to provide web based > distributed services and use > the brownser as the terminal. I can't say if that is > good or bad but this > is how business are done today. In a plan9 world we > would have a data base > server that would serve something like SQL/, we > would import it in our > name space and then use our toolchain to manipulate > it(cat, echo, awk or > custom ones). In the other world this is done with > mozilla, PHP, MySQL. I wouldn't be to sure. Consider Apple's IPod. James Robertson of Cincom (smalltalk) has an interesting blog on the subject: "Years ago, the Smalltalk development team used a tool called Scopus (long since chewed up by Siebel) for bug tracking. Engineering was never happy with that, and built a homebrew system called MARS (Minimal Action Request System). It was first deployed back around 1995, right after VisualWave was developed - as a web application. This was nifty - it was easily accessible to any of the development staff that needed to get to the bug system, and ran in any browser. The only problem was speed - things like Query By Example were none too speedy when the steps included: Send the query Server processes the query Client browser has to render the query results For a long time, we just put up with this. Then a few months ago, I hacked together a simple UI client that hit the back end (query by AR number only) via a servlet. Interestingly, getting results displayed outside a browser was much, much simpler. I integrated the simple client tool as an internal plugin for BottomFeeder. A couple of our engineers ran with this idea, and started working on a more capable client using Opentalk - our Smalltalk-Smalltalk distribution framework. Now, using an ssh tunnel or VPN connection, any of the internal users can query and update the system much more easily. This is interesting because it represents a move away from a browser based interface and over to a smart client - back to the future, as it were. Using this approach, using the bug tool is far less painful, because the roundtrip communication with the server is so much faster. MS is moving this way in LongHorn; I wonder how many other people are doing similar things?" Web clients only you say? Not necessarily. > An a final note, i completely disagree that is can > survive if the other > OSes adopt its best features. Because we have one > architecture(x86) that > means we must have one OS(linux i suppose). Plan9 is > another design(better > or not you decide) and i would like to see more new > OSes or ideas rather > than see linux take the world. Have you looked at the number of small gnu/linux-distributions lately? You can find a mini gnu/linux dist just for the purpose of multimedia :) And what about OpenBeOS and it's cousins? Hurd is progressing although it's only a plan9-clone on the surface, if there's any similarity at all. Recently Squeak SmallTalk was put on compact flash card on top of a modified linux-kernel, and some lispers (SBCL -- Steel Bank Common Lisp) are trying something similar. A smaller or more specialized environment, while general enough for common use, seems to be the goal. One architecture == one OS? It sounds like nonsens to me. On my stationary mascine there is four OS'es and I know people who regularly use five different OS'es. These days more ordinary people come to me for LiveCDs filled with a small or "polished" gnu/linux and even some of my technical friends have shifted to Mac OS/X in hope of a more consistent environment. I think plan9 still has a place. Put another way: It doesn't look anymore dead to me than five years ago. Claims of death usually comes from people using different systems. It depends on the community, and plan9 will attract it's share, side by side with the many gnu/linux distros. -- Dennis Decker Jensen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 02:46:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 02:46:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32730 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 02:46:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32726 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 02:46:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 02:46:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 08FBB19D4D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE46A19D0A; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:46:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0645919AD1; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:45:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1ABD1199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:45:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <05765b085429865f54c42d315b473a94@borf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:47:15 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>(Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management >>to use Windows!) they slipped up once and Unix use got away from them but i'm sure they are careful that will never ever happen again. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 02:56:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 02:56:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 723 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 02:56:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 719 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 02:56:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 02:56:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E046019AD1; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:56:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 055FF19D0A; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:56:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C6DC3199BB; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 233FD19AAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:55:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBHHtXER024141 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:55:33 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBHHtWkm024140 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:55:32 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20031217195531.J13462@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Organization: Proxima Research & Development Subject: [9fans] stat(1) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:55:31 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have added a few features to stat(1) which I announced a few weeks (months?) ago. The source is available as http://wow.proxima.alt.za/src/stat/ where the mkfile, stat.c and strftime.c are required; stat.1 is in my opinion a reasonable man page, and stat.html is quite a bad conversion. It's buggy, but not in a fashion I find crippling and I certainly will welcome any corrections or enhancements. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 02:57:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 02:57:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 756 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 02:57:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 752 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 02:57:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 02:57:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A71A019AAA; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:57:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D17719D2F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:57:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EAD6C19D25; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBA06199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBHHu2fK025730 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:03 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBHHu2tS030192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:02 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBHHu2d4001769 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:02 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:01 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Charles Forsyth wrote: > >>(Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management > >>to use Windows!) > > they slipped up once and Unix use got away from them > but i'm sure they are careful that will never ever happen again. well, in '91, someone who shall remain nameless told me just that: that a lot of people at ATT felt that letting Unix out was a huge mistake, and that was a mistake they would never repeat with Plan 9. Talk about a bad call! ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 03:01:07 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 03:01:07 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 856 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 03:01:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 851 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 03:01:05 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 03:01:05 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1DD9C19A81; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:01:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F91E199B3; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:00:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9BA2A199B3; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:00:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB3E119A81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2003121718000801500k11e5e>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:00:08 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id C28D83664D0; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:59:58 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20031217175958.GA6505@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [9fans] 8a/8l bug Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:59:58 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I am working on making gcc to support the standard Plan9 object format. I noticed something that IMO is a bug. If I try to compile: TEXT main(SB), $0 ADDL $-1, AX ADCL $-1, DX RET the result from 8l -a t.8 is: 001020 (1) TEXT main+0(SB),$0 001020 48 (2) SUBL $1, AX 001021 83d2ff (3) ADCL $-1, DX According to my ia32 instruction set reference 0x48 is DECL AX not SUBL $1, AX Unlike SUBL, DECL doesn't change CF flag, so the ADCL instruction is not working correctly. Where are these types of optimizations made? Is it possible to turn them off completely? Thanks, Lucho From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 04:08:57 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 04:08:57 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3032 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 04:08:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3028 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:08:55 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:08:55 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1179619C44; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:08:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F04E19B93; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:08:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0E0F519BDC; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C5E019B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:06:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7143fd2316117debf0316f5aa59a3e29@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xevliiapakdfgachzznqkcvvqs" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:06:48 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xevliiapakdfgachzznqkcvvqs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's an oversimplification of reality but close enough, I guess. There was a lot of chagrine that we'ld never managed to make money off of Unix while everyone else did; that was just sour grapes. There was a feeling that we should hold any other software (not Plan 9 specificly) a lot closer and try to exploit them before they started making money for everyone else in the hopes it would give us a leg up in the pocketing of filthy lucre. Absent open-source, they might have been right. --upas-xevliiapakdfgachzznqkcvvqs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Wed Dec 17 12:57:36 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Wed Dec 17 12:57:34 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0F0EB19D4F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB73D19D06; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:57:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EAD6C19D25; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:56:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DBA06199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBHHu2fK025730 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:03 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBHHu2tS030192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:02 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBHHu2d4001769 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:02 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:56:01 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Charles Forsyth wrote: > >>(Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management > >>to use Windows!) > > they slipped up once and Unix use got away from them > but i'm sure they are careful that will never ever happen again. well, in '91, someone who shall remain nameless told me just that: that a lot of people at ATT felt that letting Unix out was a huge mistake, and that was a mistake they would never repeat with Plan 9. Talk about a bad call! ron --upas-xevliiapakdfgachzznqkcvvqs-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 04:28:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 04:28:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3828 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 04:28:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3824 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 04:28:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 04:28:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BC4D719D25; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50E1C19D2A; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6F83519D25; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:27:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8472199FD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2003121719265601200sdmole>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:26:56 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 464D33664D0; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:26:36 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a/8l bug Message-ID: <20031217192636.GA7069@ionkov.net> References: <20031217175958.GA6505@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031217175958.GA6505@ionkov.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:26:36 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Also ADDL $-1, AX is not equivalent to SUBL $1, AX The CF flag is different. Thanks, Lucho On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 12:59:58PM -0500, Latchesar Ionkov said: > Hi, > > I am working on making gcc to support the standard Plan9 object format. I > noticed something that IMO is a bug. > > If I try to compile: > > TEXT main(SB), $0 > ADDL $-1, AX > ADCL $-1, DX > RET > > the result from > > 8l -a t.8 > is: > > 001020 (1) TEXT main+0(SB),$0 > 001020 48 (2) SUBL $1, AX > 001021 83d2ff (3) ADCL $-1, DX > > According to my ia32 instruction set reference 0x48 is > DECL AX > > not > SUBL $1, AX > > Unlike SUBL, DECL doesn't change CF flag, so the ADCL instruction is not > working correctly. > > Where are these types of optimizations made? Is it possible to turn them off > completely? > > Thanks, > Lucho From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 06:04:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 06:04:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6545 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 06:04:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6541 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:04:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:04:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 757B919ABA; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0488419B80; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:04:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 12DBF19B80; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:04:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14BBB19ACA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:03:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9dddb9f0926cb1756f5084676e1211bd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] new links binary+source Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:03:37 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) New links binary + source -- Geoff Collyer's changes are in, which means that links consumes much less cpu time. Also rendering using Plan 9 fonts is implemented -- right now Links renders only one size using /lib/font/bit/lucm/unicode.9.font, which has an almost complete unicode set. There are provisions made for rendering in multiple size fonts, however we need more complete font descriptions to be able to cover the full gamma of possibilities. Alternatively one can finally sit down and write an autogenerating font file server using, for example, ttf2subf. If you have cyberbit you may want to experiment with it, but know that html_gr.c sets the default font height to 17, which is what unicode.9.font has. You will find that rendering with Plan 9 fonts makes the browser much, much faster and more responsive. Scrolling/panning also become useful, all of a sudden. Beware -- the new event handling code causes the browser to crash if resized while new york times is loading. It came with Geoff's changes, but I haven't been able to pin it down. The source size has been significantly decreased because we don't carry the precompiled fonts Links used to have (font_data.c and fontdata). The binary is only 700K gzipped and 3.2MB gunzipped. The code weighs in at ~2MB gzipped. New screenshots also available, including rendering of japanese web pages with kanji fonts. Overall a significant improvement. It even seems usable sometimes. andrey ps: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 06:24:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 06:24:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7246 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 06:24:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7242 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:24:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:24:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4150D19A9E; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D97319C17; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:24:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4B10819A9E; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:23:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 473A219B96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBHLNe8R008026 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:23:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBHLNd7Q005335 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:23:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBHLNd428317 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:23:39 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312172123.hBHLNd428317@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:03:37 -0700." <9dddb9f0926cb1756f5084676e1211bd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> References: <9dddb9f0926cb1756f5084676e1211bd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:23:39 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Just FYI: the new links binary is now also much more usable over a (cable modem, or even just a local net) drawterm connection (before the (re)drawing of the pages was very slow) Thanks to all who contributed! Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 06:59:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 06:59:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8400 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 06:59:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8396 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 06:59:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 06:59:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E538719B06; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 056AE19C9B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9F29A19C32; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from epaphras.cnm-vra.com (adsl-66-122-178-130.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net [66.122.178.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE0D119B6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by epaphras.cnm-vra.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E3B01CE68; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:55:37 -0800 (PST) From: Micah Stetson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-ID: <20031217215537.GA25689@epaphras.cnm-vra.com> References: <200312171635.hBHGZofq019798@math.Princeton.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200312171635.hBHGZofq019798@math.Princeton.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:55:37 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Not to mention that last time I checked we have only one game, snake. > Even my old Vic20 had a choice of 8. Somebody had a pipe dream like game. I've compiled rogue under ape and run it in vt (I know, cursor addressing Berkeley software polluting Plan 9, but it is an entertaining little game). I've also got most of a Tetris clone -- it works fine, it's just missing features. That would make four, if I ever posted the source. And I imagine others here have a toy or two hidden on their disks. I've thought off and on of porting an Atari 2600 or NES emulator, and that would certainly open up the possibilities. (Assuming, of course, that you have legal access to some ROM images.) Micah From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 07:16:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 07:16:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9033 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 07:16:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9029 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 07:16:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 07:16:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C6A4C19B6B; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:16:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FB5619A85; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:16:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9838919A85; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:15:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF99B19B93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:15:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <20031217215537.GA25689@epaphras.cnm-vra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:15:19 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > disks. I've thought off and on of porting an Atari 2600 > or NES emulator, and that would certainly open up the > possibilities. (Assuming, of course, that you have legal > access to some ROM images.) too much assembly code in those things... though the idea is good :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 08:05:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 08:05:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10890 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 08:05:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10886 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 08:05:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 08:05:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 04AFE19C20; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E6DC19C4F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:05:21 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 16BD719AE5; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85E5319AA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWkYg-000BA1-JZ for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:54:22 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a/8l bug In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:26:36 EST." <20031217192636.GA7069@ionkov.net> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <42903.1071701659.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:54:19 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Also > ADDL $-1, AX > > is not equivalent to > > SUBL $1, AX > > The CF flag is different. The linker is doing the "optimizations" as part of instruction selection. (The split of work between compiler and loader is different than it is with gcc.) In uchar yaddl[] = { ..., delete the two lines beginning with Yi1. Then you have to edit all the table entries in optab[] that reference yaddl to remove the offending inc/dec instructions. But I can't remember how to decode that table. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 08:34:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 08:34:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12212 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 08:34:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12208 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 08:34:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 08:34:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D568E19D43; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:34:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2773F19CA6; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:34:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 36D0119BDC; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50B4C199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:33:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2003121723332101500md1aue>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:33:21 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 276673664D0; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:33:12 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a/8l bug Message-ID: <20031217233312.GA8216@ionkov.net> References: <20031217192636.GA7069@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:33:12 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Thanks, I already found the code and changed it. Is it likely such changes to be accepted in the standard Plan9 distribution? Ideally there should be an option whether to do that type of optimizations. Unfortunately it is hard to implement the option without introducing a flag per row in the y* arrays. The flag will be also useful for opcodes that translate to different types of instructions some of which have 0x0f prefix, while others don't. Currently that is not supported and it is very hard to add support for IMUL Reg, Imm8 for example. Would you accept patch that: 1. Adds a new option whether to do instruction optimizations. 2. Modifies y* arrays to have a flag whether the instruction code should be used if the optimizations are on. 3. Optionally the flag also holds information whether the specific instruction has 0x0f/0x66 headers overriding the default specified in the optab array. Thanks, Lucho On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 05:54:19PM -0500, Russ Cox said: > > Also > > ADDL $-1, AX > > > > is not equivalent to > > > > SUBL $1, AX > > > > The CF flag is different. > > The linker is doing the "optimizations" as part of > instruction selection. (The split of work between > compiler and loader is different than it is with gcc.) > > In uchar yaddl[] = { ..., delete the two lines beginning > with Yi1. > > Then you have to edit all the table entries in optab[] > that reference yaddl to remove the offending inc/dec > instructions. But I can't remember how to decode > that table. > > Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 08:49:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 08:49:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12850 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 08:49:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12846 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 08:49:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 08:49:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 478E219AF0; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76B9019D2F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:49:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A9B2719C4D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:48:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DBFC19B43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AWlFI-000BDN-To for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:38:24 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a/8l bug In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:33:12 EST." <20031217233312.GA8216@ionkov.net> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <43111.1071704301.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:38:22 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > 1. Adds a new option whether to do instruction optimizations. > 2. Modifies y* arrays to have a flag whether the instruction code should be > used if the optimizations are on. I don't want a flag to fix broken behavior. I want the linker to do the right thing. I'd rather change the linker just to drop the INCL/DECL as possible ADDL/SUBL encodings and then change the compiler if the hit is actually significant (seems like it could be). How many other instructions are affected? > 3. Optionally the flag also holds information whether the specific > instruction has 0x0f/0x66 headers overriding the default specified in the > optab array. If you need this to handle certain instructions, then this seems reasonable, although I'm not sure I understand why it can't be handled with just a separate line in the y* array. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 09:14:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 09:14:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14165 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 09:14:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14161 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 09:14:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 09:14:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1B2E119A14; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E8F9419B9F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:14:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3760F19AD6; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 847C019A14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:13:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <200312180013240120001sp4e>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:13:24 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id E835A3664D0; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:13:13 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a/8l bug Message-ID: <20031218001313.GA8411@ionkov.net> References: <20031217233312.GA8216@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:13:13 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 06:38:22PM -0500, Russ Cox said: > > 1. Adds a new option whether to do instruction optimizations. > > 2. Modifies y* arrays to have a flag whether the instruction code should be > > used if the optimizations are on. > > I don't want a flag to fix broken behavior. > I want the linker to do the right thing. > > I'd rather change the linker just to drop the > INCL/DECL as possible ADDL/SUBL encodings > and then change the compiler if the hit is actually > significant (seems like it could be). > > How many other instructions are affected? > > > 3. Optionally the flag also holds information whether the specific > > instruction has 0x0f/0x66 headers overriding the default specified in the > > optab array. > > If you need this to handle certain instructions, then this seems > reasonable, although I'm not sure I understand why it can't > be handled with just a separate line in the y* array. The flag if there should be 0x0f or 0x66 header is defined per opcode (Pm, Pe) in optab instead of being defined per line in y*. I already changed the machine description in gcc to avoid the problem, so I don't need it badly, but gcc generates suboptimal code now. BTW currently gcc compiles and executes correctly about 95% of the testcases for C that come with it. Currently I am using gcc hosted in Linux. It uses 8a and 8l to generate the executables. When I get 98% of the testcases correctly, I'll try C++. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 09:24:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 09:24:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14840 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 09:24:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14836 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 09:24:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 09:24:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B98D119D46; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:24:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 274BA19D2F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:24:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0D93F19A8F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:23:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE09B199E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:23:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8b329015bd7b449ab8a5147291d081de@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a/8l bug From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:25:13 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) a linker option seems wrong, since it's not a global attribute, but the correctness of the substitution depends on the surrounding context. it's usually perfectly all right to replace ADDL $1, ... by INCL for instance. one way might be to add a pseudo-op (similar to NOSCHED) that could be used by either assembler or compiler to constrain instruction selection. that's possibly a nuisance to use and implement. another method is to have the linker check whether the shorter instruction is actually equivalent in context to the longer one it must otherwise use, since that's really the problem here (eg, either the flag bits are set the same way or subsequent instructions don't need them) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 10:09:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 10:09:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17831 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 10:09:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17827 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 10:09:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 10:09:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8050319C2F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 203F019D54; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:09:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2DED719C03; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:08:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (collyer.ca [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42B2F19D2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:08:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <52739892-30AB-11D8-A6EC-000A95C53D8A@suspicious.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:08:15 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > For already existing applications, there is the C to Limbo translator, This is news to me; where could one find more information? > It seems to me that with Inferno, it was said "we took all the lessons > we learned from Plan 9 and built a better system", I wouldn't have included the words `all' and `better'. The Inferno that was handed to the BU was clearly inspired by Plan 9, but had a lot missing, which was obvious to Plan 9 people, but most of the people in the BU, especially management, were not Plan 9 people, and thought they had a complete, ready-to-sell system. As you can see from all the work that Vitanuova have done since, that was not true. 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Thu Dec 18 10:27:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19055 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 10:27:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19051 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 10:27:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 10:27:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AF8E619C51; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:27:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C48E419D55; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:27:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 483AE19B97; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C14B19D4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ200801HBFVU@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ2007CAHBE74@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:03 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <022801c3c559$8602af70$70079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:24:36 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I wouldn't have included the words `all' and `better'. i'd say 'better' or we could go back to 9th Ed: http://www.insultant.net/images/9Ed-vol1.jpg ;) -- MGRS 56H LJ 78915 53260 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 10:45:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 10:45:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20262 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 10:45:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20257 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 10:45:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 10:45:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9CEDF19D55; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D459219D54; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:45:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1944B19BD9; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (collyer.ca [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 377F019C58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:44:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <022801c3c559$8602af70$70079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:44:43 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Limbo is arguably superior to C for writing at least some applications, but that doesn't make the system that the BU got originally superior to Plan 9. There was no sam and no ed; how would you have edited when running Inferno standalone (the only fair comparison with Plan 9)? That's just one of many such examples. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 10:49:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 10:49:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20652 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 10:49:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20647 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 10:49:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 10:49:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 21F2519C58; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:49:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3780419D06; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:49:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5EBC819D06; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:48:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40D4719AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ200A01ICS2I@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:48:29 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ2008AWICQ7O@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:48:28 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <025e01c3c55c$a7703e40$70079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:47:02 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > There was no sam and no ed; how would > you have edited when running Inferno standalone (the only fair > comparison with Plan 9)? That's just one of many such examples. exactly From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 11:16:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 11:16:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22351 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 11:16:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22345 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 11:16:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 11:16:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 299C419B3C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:16:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE3ED19D54; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:16:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 868D819B3C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:15:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DF38199FE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:15:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f9f894bbd181956d09c161d6e561004@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <9dddb9f0926cb1756f5084676e1211bd@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:16:07 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > New links binary + source -- Geoff Collyer's changes are in, which > means that links consumes much less cpu time. Also rendering using > Plan 9 fonts is implemented -- right now Links renders only one size > using /lib/font/bit/lucm/unicode.9.font, which has an almost complete > unicode set. Thank you very much Geoff! However, I still have to resize the window to see www.cnn.com... Fonts becomes very nice, and surprizingly, I can read Japanese home page now (http://basalt.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp/plan9), who did this enable? Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 11:22:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 11:22:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22739 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 11:22:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22735 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 11:22:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 11:22:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E0EBA19D58; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 352DF19D06; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:22:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9F3D719B90; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:21:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16C9319AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from nospam.com (h00095b53ce25.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.51.135]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003121802213301200r5gbfe>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 02:21:33 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE10F36.9020007@nospam.com> From: bs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: bs@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:21:42 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Some things never change, and resistance to new technology is one of them. IMO resistance to something new or different is one of them. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 11:34:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 11:34:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23511 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 11:34:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23506 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 11:34:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 11:34:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 23A2C19D4E; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:34:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7596C19D47; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:34:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 478FE19BC4; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (dnspac16.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D50219AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:33:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4232834834cb615e6196fd51ce05806e@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <6f9f894bbd181956d09c161d6e561004@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:33:39 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Links is still quite slow on some pages, notably nytimes.com and cnn.com. I haven't looked into why, but I suspect it's not good at retrieving lots of small images. There are no doubt lots of bugs left in links. One workaround is to select "Kill all connections" from the File menu and then go to that URL again. Whatever has been cached already should be displayed while it fetches the rest. I believe Andrey did all the font work and the faster rendering. The fundamental structure of links is just wrong: it tries to simulate threads or processes sharing memory by using select to trigger functions when input arrives, and using a convention that upon completion of some activity, there's a always a `completion routine' to be called next, possibly by select. It would be better on Plan 9 to just rfork a process for each http request and let it run to completion, but doing that may require doing considerable violence to links (not that I'm opposed to that ☺). A few of us are also looking at using webfs, at Russ's suggestion. The more we can move out of links, the better. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 11:53:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 11:53:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24580 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 11:53:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24576 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 11:53:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 11:53:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 64D2219A60; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B19619C4D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 776C019C39; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:52:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E0BC19D06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:52:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <67f1d1312d5ee3af855f25c6ae8b86b6@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <4232834834cb615e6196fd51ce05806e@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:52:46 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > The fundamental structure of links is just wrong: it tries to simulate > threads or processes sharing memory by using select to trigger > functions when input arrives, and using a convention that upon > completion of some activity, there's a always a `completion routine' > to be called next, possibly by select. It would be better on Plan 9 > to just rfork a process for each http request and let it run to > completion, but doing that may require doing considerable violence to > links (not that I'm opposed to that ☺). This statment is very specific, and constructive. ☺ Links is the first web browser which displays UTF-8 pages good except of older Panel library based one which I personally made it. I hope many Japanese web writer will begin to write their pages by UTF-8.☺ To make it possible for JIS, S-JIS looks like ridiculous to me, because only Japanese use those codes... > A few of us are also looking at using webfs, at Russ's suggestion. > The more we can move out of links, the better. Sure, if we have better web browse, it better for all of us. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 13:56:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 13:56:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 709 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 13:56:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 699 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 13:56:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 13:56:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E56C619B9F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 238A219C6F; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:56:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DBB0319C4D; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B9BC19C39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:54:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <5919e79f7c94421736c706c2425c6a97@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a/8l bug In-Reply-To: <20031217192636.GA7069@ionkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:54:48 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Presotto and I looked at this earlier today. If you take the add/sub -> inc/dec optimisation out of 8l, you can get it all back by doing it in the 8c peephole optimiser. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 15:59:57 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 15:59:57 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10087 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 15:59:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10083 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 15:59:55 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 15:59:55 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 94DFD19AE3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B354219C42; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:59:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9DD0919AE3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B502719BB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBI6vmRR006490 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:57:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <577fd0c726f326714323074c32cead74@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:57:56 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> (Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management >> to use Windows!) > > Research won't be forced to live on it. However we already are forced to > use it to communicate with those who don't really care what the solution > is, which is most of the company. Also, if we want to solve peoples' > problems within the company, we have to do it in their context even if > our initial experiments are on Plan 9. Isn't this an argument for stronger drawterm effort (or something more ambitious)? BTW, I'm assuming this is referring to Windows for desktop environments and not for running servers. right? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 17:31:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 17:31:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16645 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 17:31:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16641 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 17:31:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 17:31:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5378419C92; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:31:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40A8519CA4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:31:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B3B9019C64; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA23519BF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 03:29:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <822d83b1d1404e59fefeeb19570a33b7@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:32:00 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>thought they had a complete, ready-to-sell system. As you can see >>from all the work that Vitanuova have done since, that was not true. it depends: for what their customers often had in mind to do with it, it was usable. (what was sometimes done with it wasn't sufficiently inspired, i suppose.) i have had some experience of VxWorks source code, and `BSPs' for a few other systems, let alone `embedded' Linux, and inferno as it was was a good order of magnitude beyond that. it had (has) bugs but the space in which they were (are) located was finite. `you can always think of something better to do'. it didn't make much progress because too much time was spent chasing Sun's tales. fear, uncertainty, doubt: these are the feelings i get when i must wade through Linux code to find out how some device works. fear that i'll not remain sane (temper long since lost); uncertainty where to look next for what i want; doubt that it will be worth finding when i finally locate it. instead of yet more bloody web browsers, if they've got time why don't people get a DVD player going (so i needn't boot up windows at all)? i find films more entertaining than games. i looked at porting one briefly, but Plan 9 doesn't run unix c programs either. actually, APE does manage unix programs but this was something else again. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 18:19:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 18:19:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19325 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 18:19:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19321 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 18:19:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 18:19:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A8FF619B78; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCCDB19CA8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:19:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1179B19BC8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (p9auth.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D96419B78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:18:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6a29465d88afc1d1de3b35f2e3ae8395@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <822d83b1d1404e59fefeeb19570a33b7@caldo.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:18:31 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) What's the state of the law with respect to software DVD players? Johansen, the kid who wrote decss, is being prosecuted again in Norway, with a verdict expected December 22nd. Perhaps the more relevant question is: what's the state of MPAA FUD w.r.t. software DVD players? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 19:28:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 19:28:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23021 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 19:28:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23017 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 19:28:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 19:28:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 04A3A19BB3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 05:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BAB519C9B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 05:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 99CD819BB3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 05:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF02119C54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 05:27:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AWvAP-000525-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:14:01 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "B.Sathish Kumar" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Subject: [9fans] newbie of plan9 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:13:28 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i installed Plan 9 4th Edition. i have i810 Chipset and samtron 40Bn(14" SVGA) montior. the default resolution was 640x480x8. when i continue, the screen goes blank. for this i gave simply 80x25x2 and that gave an error message and went to text mode. can't i use graphics mode ?? also after installing, i cannot find vi. is there any other to edit files. in usr directory only glenda is there. is there no user called root ?? also during installation, one error message like cannot find $wsys during copying distribution occured but installation continued. what is this error ?? /Sathish -- Note: (Only for NewsGroups) Remove NOSPAM in my E-Mail ID From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 20:36:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 20:36:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26053 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 20:36:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26049 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 20:36:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 20:36:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0468219C96; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A41019C9B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:36:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5616119BC8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:35:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B090019C17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:34:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <174bd33af78f5d21673863a3dd1e5521@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: <6a29465d88afc1d1de3b35f2e3ae8395@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:32:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // What's the state of the law with respect to software DVD players? software DVD players are unquestionably fine, as long as they don't decode the (stupidly trivial) CSS encoding. that only gets you some small percentage of commercial DVDs, but it's a start. i'd say do that and have the source able to include the standrd decss.c via compile-time option. it's easy enough to find. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 20:47:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 20:47:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26483 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 20:47:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26479 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 20:47:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 20:47:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2D80719D23; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0267319D47; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:47:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 70D8B199E3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAB9B19BC8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:46:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: <822d83b1d1404e59fefeeb19570a33b7@caldo.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:40:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // ...for what their customers often had in mind to do with it, it was usable. huh. i was in the BU; we had customers? ;-) seriously, i think you're right, but solely because of your follow on statement: they weren't doing anything very interesting. more and more screen phones, with no particularly interesting software. and the software it did have wasn't really very good, for the most part; we had a (um, two!) crappy browser, a crappy mail program, a decent message center... it's fairly disapointing that the Jetsons-inspired "Concept Phones" tended to make for better demos than the Shannon phones (aside from the fact that the Shannon hardware was much more reasonable), and the demo apps shipped with the prefab module made a better demo than any of them, even towards the end of the BU (especially with the mpeg stuff). mind you, PathStar was amazing, but even though it chronologically overlapped with the BU, it had basically nothing to do with it. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 20:51:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 20:51:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26600 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 20:51:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26596 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 20:51:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 20:51:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5B4D919D47; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:51:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0B3519D54; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:51:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1E85919A76; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from edsac.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A1D819B6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:49:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2e1801d111be28d1280c79d7cf4cbbdf@borf.com> From: Brantley Coile To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: <022801c3c559$8602af70$70079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-blldjvnzfcqbpywaakujifpmah" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:49:57 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-blldjvnzfcqbpywaakujifpmah Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My copy of the manual is just as dirty. I bet the spine is fadded as well. And I'd vote for V9. --upas-blldjvnzfcqbpywaakujifpmah Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from relay.borf.com ([205.185.197.204]) by edsac; Wed Dec 17 20:30:13 EST 2003 Received: from [130.203.4.6] by borf.com ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:33:16 -0400 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0F56719C2C; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A977719B97; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:27:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 483AE19B97; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:26:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C14B19D4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:26:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ200801HBFVU@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ2007CAHBE74@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:26:03 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <022801c3c559$8602af70$70079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:24:36 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I wouldn't have included the words `all' and `better'. i'd say 'better' or we could go back to 9th Ed: http://www.insultant.net/images/9Ed-vol1.jpg ;) -- MGRS 56H LJ 78915 53260 --upas-blldjvnzfcqbpywaakujifpmah-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 21:07:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 21:07:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27213 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 21:07:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27209 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 21:07:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 21:07:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EECB419D54; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:07:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4ACA719D5C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:07:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8834819CA8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1F3319A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:06:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0ee94df7f05f52bd669c2ea5b87ea998@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:03:12 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // In fact, they're on the campaign trail again to move the whole // company onto an environment that's cheaper for them to support. and what does that have to do with windows? unless they're moving people *off* of it? windows generally looses the TCO war, unless you're willing to undersupport your users and have things in a perpetually broken state. in which case it can win, because moderatly-bad windows admins are cheaper than moderatly-bad unix admins. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 21:21:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 21:21:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27793 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 21:21:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27789 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 21:21:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 21:21:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 85C9319CA4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7DB319D5A; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:21:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 153C519CA4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2831C19C91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:20:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7ba84dd35467c4dd6111ee9847151f75@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: <577fd0c726f326714323074c32cead74@centurytel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-awvnshxfwavholcvmrqlgokpzz" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:20:11 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-awvnshxfwavholcvmrqlgokpzz Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No the flavor of the week is a move to Windows servers with users getting thin clients that connect to them. I'ld rather write something that talks their thin client protocol (if only I can figure out what it is). In general though, if your premise is that I always want to use windows and sometimes plan 9, it is an argument for a stronger drawterm. Mine is that I want to live on plan9 and sometimes use windows. I'ld rather the inverse of drawterm. Vnc is a step in the right direction, though the windows server for it sucks. --upas-awvnshxfwavholcvmrqlgokpzz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 01:59:54 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 01:59:52 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 92BF619C2C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9E1819BC4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:59:26 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9DD0919AE3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:58:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B502719BB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBI6vmRR006490 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:57:49 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <577fd0c726f326714323074c32cead74@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:57:56 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> (Hard to believe that the birthplace of Unix will be forced by management >> to use Windows!) > > Research won't be forced to live on it. However we already are forced to > use it to communicate with those who don't really care what the solution > is, which is most of the company. Also, if we want to solve peoples' > problems within the company, we have to do it in their context even if > our initial experiments are on Plan 9. Isn't this an argument for stronger drawterm effort (or something more ambitious)? BTW, I'm assuming this is referring to Windows for desktop environments and not for running servers. right? --upas-awvnshxfwavholcvmrqlgokpzz-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 21:37:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 21:37:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28536 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 21:37:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28532 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 21:37:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 21:37:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F226319B79; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74C4D19B97; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:37:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 84B0E19AF8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 219CC19A2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:36:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from dstc.edu.au (sunburn.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.16]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBICa6cQ011323 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:36:06 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200312181236.hBICa6cQ011323@piglet.dstc.edu.au> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:20:11 EST." <7ba84dd35467c4dd6111ee9847151f75@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Arnold X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:36:31 +1000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) -->"David" == David Presotto writes: David> No the flavor of the week is a move to Windows servers with David> users getting thin clients that connect to them. I'ld rather David> write something that talks their thin client protocol (if David> only I can figure out what it is). seems to be called RDP. David> Vnc is a step in the right direction, though the windows David> server for it sucks. www.rdesktop.org d From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 23:33:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 23:33:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 937 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 23:33:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 933 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 23:33:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 23:33:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 57E5E19D5A; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:33:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB9F019C3A; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:33:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BCCE4199E3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:32:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08B0719C62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ300C012X8LK@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:32:25 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.164]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ300FB6CI9CL@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:39:46 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <00fe01c3c5b7$a5aea8c0$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200312181236.hBICa6cQ011323@piglet.dstc.edu.au> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:38:23 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > seems to be called RDP. Reliable Datagram Protcol? never implemented. 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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: Brantley Coile To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: <00b701c3c5b1$fa51e460$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tmpfvoctobowxxglkzbppolnen" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:54:46 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tmpfvoctobowxxglkzbppolnen Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ooou, I wish I had thought of that. --upas-tmpfvoctobowxxglkzbppolnen Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from relay.borf.com ([205.185.197.204]) by edsac; 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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:59:12 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <00b701c3c5b1$fa51e460$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <2e1801d111be28d1280c79d7cf4cbbdf@borf.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:57:48 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > My copy of the manual is just as dirty. i think it's just faded (but i'm not sure) 'cos i covered it in self adhesive clear plastic. --upas-tmpfvoctobowxxglkzbppolnen-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 23:57:34 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 23:57:34 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1599 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 23:57:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1595 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 23:57:33 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 23:57:33 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C211619D74; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:57:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16ACB19D71; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:57:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0DDE019D65; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:56:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A113719C4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ300C012VOK0@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:54:47 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.164]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ300DLM8VC87@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:21:14 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <004101c3c5ac$acf574c0$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <577fd0c726f326714323074c32cead74@centurytel.net> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:19:50 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Isn't this an argument for stronger drawterm effort (or something > more ambitious)? i thought that was the whole point; no disk, no fan. put the servers somewhere and [draw]term [9P] to 'em. the [windows] drawterm 'postnote' popup is less than obvious, but it means that your connection has died. i have a _bad feeling_ that the windoze TCP/IP stack sends FINs, to each connection, when some trivial RJ-45 to [A]DSL cable 'fall on the floor' / removal is seen. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 18 23:57:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 18 23:57:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1608 invoked by uid 1020); 18 Dec 2003 23:57:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1604 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 23:57:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 23:57:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DF84719D83; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22E9719D6C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:57:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9C15C19C62; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5466219D6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:56:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie of plan9 From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:00:05 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > also after installing, i cannot find vi. is there any other to edit files. > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc > in usr directory only glenda is there. > is there no user called root ?? > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc > also during installation, one error message like cannot find $wsys during > copying distribution occured but installation continued. what is this error > ?? that's because you have no graphics... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 00:07:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 00:07:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1913 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 00:07:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1909 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 00:07:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 00:07:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A9C0C19C7B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FFA819A25; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:07:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D5C1219A25; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C26C6199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:06:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ff7bc37f7308aa3c5b63688751bfb4f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <6a29465d88afc1d1de3b35f2e3ae8395@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:09:58 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > What's the state of the law with respect to software DVD players? > Johansen, the kid who wrote decss, is being prosecuted again in > Norway, with a verdict expected December 22nd. Perhaps the more > relevant question is: what's the state of MPAA FUD w.r.t. software > DVD players? mplayer is going to be much more difficult to plan9-ise than links :) and it doesn't even have a gui (unless you really want one)... we know it could be done now, but we need to be much more careful because mplayer is a very fast moving target we don't want to split from :) audio support! i've never had audio on Plan 9, few people do... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 00:08:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 00:08:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1956 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 00:08:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1952 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 00:08:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 00:08:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8F25819D77; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:08:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA6D019D70; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:08:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0B3FC19D70; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49B1E19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:07:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBIFCNBE032553 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:12:23 -0500 From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: <0ee94df7f05f52bd669c2ea5b87ea998@9srv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:12:23 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > and what does that have to do with windows? unless they're moving > people *off* of it? windows generally looses the TCO war, unless > you're willing to undersupport your users and have things in a > perpetually broken state. in which case it can win, because > moderatly-bad windows admins are cheaper than moderatly-bad unix > admins. I have a friend who has been doing server/user support for windows/linux/novell for about five years. His latest job is for a school system that is windows only. This past weekend he claimed that he's "going to the darkside." After a few moments of awkward silence he explained that XP is heads and tails above all other MS operating systems in terms of support. Secured properly with third party lockdown software, it apparently just "works." From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 00:14:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 00:14:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2069 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 00:14:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2058 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 00:14:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 00:14:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CCE3319D65; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9B7419D7A; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:14:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2AFEF19D65; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F41B19A25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:13:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from apnic.net (durian.apnic.net [202.12.29.252]) by apnic.net (8.12.8/8.12) with SMTP id hBIFDIMK017562 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:13:19 +1000 From: George Michaelson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-Id: <20031219011316.4a31382e@garlic> In-Reply-To: References: <0ee94df7f05f52bd669c2ea5b87ea998@9srv.net> Organization: APNIC Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7claws43 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-netbsdelf1.6ZG) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AP-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.349 required=7 X-AP-Spam-Score: -100.349 (notspam) BAYES_30,USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.15 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:13:16 +1000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_RFCI,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have a friend who has been doing server/user support for > windows/linux/novell for about five years. His latest job > is for a school system that is windows only. This past > weekend he claimed that he's "going to the darkside." After > a few moments of awkward silence he explained that XP is > heads and tails above all other MS operating systems in terms > of support. Secured properly with third party lockdown > software, it apparently just "works." Our finance package, written to work on Windows 2000, died on XP and on XP with patches required for security. yes. XP is much better. XP has some rational behaviours. XP will be firewall on with SP2. ignore the bouncy gui, the lipgloss, looking at the core engineering its better, its complex, its huge, but within those compellingly non-better constraints it is better :-) but just works is over-stating it. there is much which doesn't just work. IPSEC to unix for instance. wireless roaming can be fraught. Everybody is badly affected by Centrino, more Intel wierd shit lockin. Office is getting way way way way way too complex. I think M$ trying to End-of-life Win98 is going to be very amusing. I doubt if this will boost sales in China. pirate XP will persist for much time. -George From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 00:24:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 00:24:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2428 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 00:24:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2424 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 00:24:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 00:24:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF1F219D7E; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5383C19A25; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:24:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B57F919AB6; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:23:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA38819980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:22:56 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] newbie of plan9 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] newbie of plan9 Thread-Index: AcPFUbQIbbOy+r13RoiRYfsh5fIYeAAKK0mA From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:55 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) don't give up. some useful links: http://ask.km.ru/3p/plan9faq.html http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Installation_troubleshooting/index.htm= l http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/index.html and welcome to plan9 ! cheers, [eternal newbie] ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 00:48:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 00:48:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3579 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 00:48:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3563 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 00:48:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 00:48:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C463A19D70; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1FB719D7D; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:48:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 704C919B86; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:47:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 963FE19C39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:47:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2003121815473401600rjem6e>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:47:34 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 3B1353664D0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:47:24 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20031218154723.GA12304@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [9fans] Two patches for 8l Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:47:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=PATCH_UNIFIED_DIFF,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, The first patch (add-8l.diff) fixes the ADDL $-1 --> DECL bug. The second one (fucom-8l.diff) fixes bugs in FUCOM* instructions -- I guess nobody used them before. The patches are created using diff -u in Linux. Let me know if you prefer another diff format. Thanks, Lucho --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="add-8l.diff" diff -ubr 8l.orig/obj.c 8l/obj.c --- 8l.orig/obj.c 2003-02-17 12:45:48.000000000 -0500 +++ 8l/obj.c 2003-12-18 10:35:16.000000000 -0500 @@ -984,22 +984,6 @@ } goto casdef; - case AADDL: - if(p->from.type == D_CONST) - if(p->from.offset < 0) { - p->as = ASUBL; - p->from.offset = -p->from.offset; - } - goto casdef; - - case ASUBL: - if(p->from.type == D_CONST) - if(p->from.offset < 0) { - p->as = AADDL; - p->from.offset = -p->from.offset; - } - goto casdef; - casdef: default: if(skip) diff -ubr 8l.orig/optab.c 8l/optab.c --- 8l.orig/optab.c 2002-03-23 21:47:12.000000000 -0500 +++ 8l/optab.c 2003-12-18 10:35:15.000000000 -0500 @@ -38,8 +38,6 @@ }; uchar yaddl[] = { - Yi1, Yrl, Z_rp, 1, - Yi1, Yml, Zo_m, 2, Yi8, Yml, Zibo_m, 2, Yi32, Yax, Zil_, 1, Yi32, Yml, Zilo_m, 2, @@ -321,8 +319,8 @@ { AADCL, yxorl, Px, 0x83,(02),0x15,0x81,(02),0x11,0x13 }, { AADCW, yxorl, Pe, 0x83,(02),0x15,0x81,(02),0x11,0x13 }, { AADDB, yxorb, Px, 0x04,0x80,(00),0x00,0x02 }, - { AADDL, yaddl, Px, 0x40,0xff,(00),0x83,(00),0x05,0x81,(00),0x01,0x03 }, - { AADDW, yaddl, Pe, 0x40,0xff,(00),0x83,(00),0x05,0x81,(00),0x01,0x03 }, + { AADDL, yaddl, Px, 0x83,(00),0x05,0x81,(00),0x01,0x03 }, + { AADDW, yaddl, Pe, 0x83,(00),0x05,0x81,(00),0x01,0x03 }, { AADJSP }, { AANDB, yxorb, Pb, 0x24,0x80,(04),0x20,0x22 }, { AANDL, yxorl, Px, 0x83,(04),0x25,0x81,(04),0x21,0x23 }, @@ -526,8 +524,8 @@ { ASTOSL, ynone, Px, 0xab }, { ASTOSW, ynone, Pe, 0xab }, { ASUBB, yxorb, Pb, 0x2c,0x80,(05),0x28,0x2a }, - { ASUBL, yaddl, Px, 0x48,0xff,(01),0x83,(05),0x2d,0x81,(05),0x29,0x2b }, - { ASUBW, yaddl, Pe, 0x48,0xff,(01),0x83,(05),0x2d,0x81,(05),0x29,0x2b }, + { ASUBL, yaddl, Px, 0x83,(05),0x2d,0x81,(05),0x29,0x2b }, + { ASUBW, yaddl, Pe, 0x83,(05),0x2d,0x81,(05),0x29,0x2b }, { ASYSCALL, ynone, Px, 0xcd,100 }, { ATESTB, ytestb, Pb, 0xa8,0xf6,(00),0x84,0x84 }, { ATESTL, ytestl, Px, 0xa9,0xf7,(00),0x85,0x85 }, --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="fucom-8l.diff" diff -ubr 8l.orig/optab.c 8l/optab.c --- 8l.orig/optab.c 2002-03-23 21:47:12.000000000 -0500 +++ 8l/optab.c 2003-12-18 10:36:41.000000000 -0500 @@ -572,9 +572,9 @@ { AFCOMW, yfmvx, Px, 0xde,(02) }, { AFCOMWP, yfmvx, Px, 0xde,(03) }, - { AFUCOM, yfmvx, Px, 0xdd,(04) }, - { AFUCOMP, yfmvx, Px, 0xdd,(05) }, - { AFUCOMPP, yfmvx, Px, 0xda,(05) }, + { AFUCOM, ycompp, Px, 0xdd,(04) }, + { AFUCOMP, ycompp, Px, 0xdd,(05) }, + { AFUCOMPP, ycompp, Px, 0xda,(13) }, { AFADDDP, yfaddp, Px, 0xde,(00) }, { AFADDW, yfmvx, Px, 0xde,(00) }, --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 00:53:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 00:53:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3690 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 00:53:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3686 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 00:53:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 00:53:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4812319B96; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:53:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EA2319D84; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:53:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7441F19B86; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8CAF19BAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2003121815522101100ihrm3e>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:52:21 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 2BED33664D0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:12 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20031218155212.GB12304@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [9fans] DYNT and INIT opcodes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:12 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Can somebody explain what exactly DYNT and INIT pseudo instructions do? I read the description in Pike's manual, but didn't understand it. I tried to read the code in /sys/src/cmd/8l/obj.c but didn't understand it either. :( An explanation with an example would be great. I need to implement something equivalent to ctors and dtors sections for the C++ support and I have the feeling that DYNT is what I need. Thanks in advance, Lucho From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 01:04:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 01:04:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4040 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 01:04:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4036 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 01:04:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 01:04:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7DB9419C60; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15E2419D7C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:04:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 06AD419D73; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17489199EB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: <1ff7bc37f7308aa3c5b63688751bfb4f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bvbqyzpowicbizyxluczenpqwa" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:03:05 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bvbqyzpowicbizyxluczenpqwa Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit vis a vis audio... Plug in usb devices are cheap enough that I don't mind not using the fancy audio chips on my t23. mpg123 gives me mp3. I'm halfway through a generic wav player to get us a bunch more formats. --upas-bvbqyzpowicbizyxluczenpqwa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 10:07:29 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 10:07:27 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A980319AC3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C79419C7B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:07:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D5C1219A25; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C26C6199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:06:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1ff7bc37f7308aa3c5b63688751bfb4f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <6a29465d88afc1d1de3b35f2e3ae8395@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:09:58 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > What's the state of the law with respect to software DVD players? > Johansen, the kid who wrote decss, is being prosecuted again in > Norway, with a verdict expected December 22nd. Perhaps the more > relevant question is: what's the state of MPAA FUD w.r.t. software > DVD players? mplayer is going to be much more difficult to plan9-ise than links :) and it doesn't even have a gui (unless you really want one)... we know it could be done now, but we need to be much more careful because mplayer is a very fast moving target we don't want to split from :) audio support! i've never had audio on Plan 9, few people do... --upas-bvbqyzpowicbizyxluczenpqwa-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 01:31:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 01:31:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5194 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 01:31:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5190 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 01:31:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 01:31:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2BD0719B4F; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87C5319D7B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:31:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A099319AC0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rapido.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA39819AC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:30:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:34:27 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) speaking of audio, has anyone ported any mp3 ripping s/w to plan9. i've got a zillion cds that would be great to be able to play under plan 9 (and one of those usb audio devices). i guess the question is how much venti space do i want to sacrifice... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 01:44:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 01:44:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5691 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 01:44:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5687 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 01:44:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 01:44:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9B0B819C03; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1088819D89; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:44:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AACDB19AC0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:43:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AA0F19C62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:43:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7c85dcc971ed66b265df8c5932a2b90d@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:39:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // ...has anyone ported any mp3 ripping s/w to plan9. i have, for one. i got BladeEnc 0.94.1 to work quite easily a good long while ago. i tried with LAME, but got bad results. after announcing that to the list, i seem to recall someone else saying they'd done LAME with good results. my notes can be had at: http://9srv.net/mpeg/index.html but note that the binary there is for 3e; i've simply not had time to spend on it in quite a while. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 01:58:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 01:58:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6243 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 01:58:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6239 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 01:58:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 01:58:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 40BC519AF8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:58:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8FED19D7C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:58:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A869919D7B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8A4519AF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AX1L1-0005yt-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:49:23 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Wladimir Mutel Message-ID: Organization: ISD Subject: [9fans] 'rc' question: how to read a line ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:49:04 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I use 'rc' shell ported to Unix (Linux/AIX/HPUX). In most shells (including 'es' shell modeled after 'rc'), there is 'read' builtin command, to read a line from stdin and assign its words to one or more variables. But there is no such command in 'rc'. How could I replace it ? 'head -n1' does not work as expected in most Unixes, as its reads are buffered and often eat more then one line from stdin. Should I write my own little hack in C ? :> Thank you in advance for your replies. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 02:07:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 02:07:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6637 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 02:07:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6633 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:07:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:07:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C04DD19D99; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:07:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D49E19D7C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:07:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3297719D7A; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:06:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6558819B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:06:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d3c80fbc13e3049c504e9eddb53b1c2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 'rc' question: how to read a line ? From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:06:03 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) read(1) in Plan 9 is a binary -- /sys/src/cmd/read.c it can server as an example, perhaps? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 02:12:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 02:12:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6836 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 02:12:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6832 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:12:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:12:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A8C1419D7A; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:12:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4F9E19D92; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:12:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B9DEF19D95; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F060C19D8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id hBIHBD617321 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:11:13 -0500 (EST) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200312181711.hBIHBD617321@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 'rc' question: how to read a line ? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:11:13 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > read(1) in Plan 9 is a binary -- /sys/src/cmd/read.c > > it can server as an example, perhaps? The archives from earlier this year have an equivalent for UNIX-type systems. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 02:14:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 02:14:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6962 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 02:14:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6958 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:14:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:14:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BFF1719D96; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:14:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CBAA19D94; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:14:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3886B19D92; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B3B719D8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:13:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 'rc' question: how to read a line ? From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <2d3c80fbc13e3049c504e9eddb53b1c2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:13:25 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > it can server as an example, perhaps? for some reason I keep writing 'server' instead of 'serve'. my fingers just keep hitting the last 'r'... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 02:15:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 02:15:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6986 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 02:15:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6982 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:15:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:15:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BE43619D9A; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3102919DA0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:15:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0406B19D8E; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:14:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20B6F19DA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:14:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qnzjzhuywnuyrylrjkplafsnzx" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:02:03 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qnzjzhuywnuyrylrjkplafsnzx Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ripping is easy, its called 'cdfs' + 'cp'. we're running an mp3 encoder that, brucee I think, made from an old mp123 release. I know that the lastest mp123 decoder ports with almost no work. I've sent them the diffs so that even that work doesn't have to be done. --upas-qnzjzhuywnuyrylrjkplafsnzx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 11:31:31 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 11:31:28 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0175919D73; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8143619CB7; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:31:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A099319AC0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:30:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from rapido.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA39819AC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:30:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:34:27 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) speaking of audio, has anyone ported any mp3 ripping s/w to plan9. i've got a zillion cds that would be great to be able to play under plan 9 (and one of those usb audio devices). i guess the question is how much venti space do i want to sacrifice... --upas-qnzjzhuywnuyrylrjkplafsnzx-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 02:43:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 02:43:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7994 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 02:43:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7990 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 02:43:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 02:43:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7D83019A15; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CADEB19DA3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:43:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9F1FF19D87; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:42:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4F1419DA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:42:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] killing rogue processes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:42:14 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have a few exportfs processes that I can't kill: octarine% echo kill > /proc/7207/ctl octarine% cat /proc/7207/status exportfs andrey Stat 0 \ 1085720 1081850 0 10 0 \ 220 10 2 any suggestions? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 03:05:46 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 03:05:46 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8820 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 03:05:45 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8816 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 03:05:45 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 03:05:45 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A61D719DB7; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFF8D19DAB; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 39F2F19D50; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:04:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DC2D19D85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:04:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] libiconv Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:04:24 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Does anyone have a port of libiconv for Plan 9? What are your opinions on making such a port? I'm asking specifically about using it to convert html sites from their weird encodings to UTF-8. Would it be better to write a (much) simpler utility that does just that -- convert from * to UTF-8? andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 03:05:58 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 03:05:58 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8828 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 03:05:57 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8824 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 03:05:56 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 03:05:56 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5F5D219DAE; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDCDB19DB3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9E5AF19D8B; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-206.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 214FB19D50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:04:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX128-000DEI-0F for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:29:52 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:34:27." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <50856.1071764989.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:29:49 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > speaking of audio, has anyone ported any mp3 ripping s/w to plan9. > i've got a zillion cds that would be great to be able to play under > plan 9 (and one of those usb audio devices). > > i guess the question is how much venti space do i want to sacrifice... i did lame a while ago. i don't know how good the encoding actually is. http://pdos.lcs.mit.edu/~rsc/lame.tar.gz i've been using itunes to do aac ripping and am very happy with it. it's very fast and it is currently the winner for 128kB aac audio public listening tests. i trust dolby to do a good job a lot more than i trust gnu software. of course that requires a mac or windows, but it's not bad. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 03:13:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 03:13:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8994 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 03:13:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8990 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 03:13:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 03:13:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A0C0619D89; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D54419DAF; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:13:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6029119D73; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-206.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC3EB19B93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:12:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX1TG-000DM0-LU for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:57:54 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:42:14 MST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <51334.1071766673.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:57:53 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have a few exportfs processes that I can't kill: > > > octarine% echo kill > /proc/7207/ctl > octarine% cat /proc/7207/status > exportfs andrey Stat 0 \ > 1085720 1081850 0 10 0 \ > 220 10 2 > > any suggestions? Kill the server it is talking to, which is clearly misbehaving. > libiconv... Such a program already exists -- tcs. Russ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 03:28:30 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 03:28:30 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9524 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 03:28:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9519 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 03:28:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 03:28:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 25B4419AB4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:28:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D31DF19DA9; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8435A19DA1; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E502A19D73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:27:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 6D1C43939; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wish (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 14E3C3938 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:16:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from seacaptain.cooper.edu ([199.98.17.54]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish with HTTP; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:16:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1616.199.98.17.54.1071771369.squirrel@wish> In-Reply-To: <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <1ff7bc37f7308aa3c5b63688751bfb4f@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: "Joel Salomon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:16:09 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,PRIORITY_NO_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) David Presotto said: > vis a vis audio... > > Plug in usb devices are cheap enough that I don't mind not using the > fancy audio chips on my t23. Can't find them for <$70 - not that much, but still a bit steep on a student budget --Joel From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 03:29:33 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 03:29:33 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9579 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 03:29:33 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9575 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 03:29:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 03:29:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 99BDF19DB8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9DE019DAB; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:29:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 53F3219DAF; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7204C19D8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBIIS07W008084 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:28:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBIIS0iI008080 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:28:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:28:00 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Russ Cox wrote: > Kill the server it is talking to, which is clearly misbehaving. alright, what's the easiest way to figure out which process is using port XYZ? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 03:55:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 03:55:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10425 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 03:55:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10421 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 03:55:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 03:55:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EF89419D76; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D59C19DA4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:55:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9F73519B25; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C59319B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 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Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:00:33 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.163]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ30058IU4VHH@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:00:32 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <01da01c3c5ec$d61e4e90$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <7c85dcc971ed66b265df8c5932a2b90d@9srv.net> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:59:08 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > ... i tried with LAME, but got bad results. QED :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 04:07:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 04:07:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11085 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 04:07:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11081 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 04:07:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 04:07:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 34D0819DAB; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:07:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AD1B19DBC; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E57B719DAF; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8EEF19D91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:06:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ300601UE0G6@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:06:00 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.163]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ3003HSUDYTT@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:05:59 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] 'rc' question: how to read a line ? To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <01ef01c3c5ed$98fd6450$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:04:33 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > for some reason I keep writing 'server' instead of 'serve'. my > fingers just keep hitting the last 'r'... maybe you mean 'sever'? http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/sever From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 04:22:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 04:22:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11594 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 04:22:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11590 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 04:22:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 04:22:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 50BBC19DC0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:22:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDCD719DC4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:22:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7031A19DAF; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A77A419DAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:20:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32cce86b0f8d84bfd47eaad807fb1014@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: <01da01c3c5ec$d61e4e90$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:19:53 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // > ... i tried with LAME, but got bad results. // QED :) heh. maybe i should specify "...got valid mp3 files with nothing but static in them, regardless of input content.". i make no comment about LAME itself. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 04:32:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 04:32:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11887 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 04:32:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11883 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 04:32:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 04:32:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF85119DC3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FAA819DB2; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:32:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3C1B719DC5; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (24-6-206.wireless.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.6.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0B5D19DCB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX26c-000DnW-UQ for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:34 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:19:53 EST." <32cce86b0f8d84bfd47eaad807fb1014@9srv.net> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <53040.1071769113.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:38:33 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > // > ... i tried with LAME, but got bad results. > > // QED :) > > heh. maybe i should specify "...got valid mp3 files with > nothing but static in them, regardless of input content.". > > i make no comment about LAME itself. ah. you weren't using -x to swap bytes properly. cat /bin/cdenc #!/bin/rc fn enc { if(! test -f $dir/$b.mp3){ rm /tmp/a cp $1 /tmp/a lame -v -rx -S --preset cd /tmp/a $dir/$b.mp3 } } fn raw { if(! test -f $dir/$b.raw) cp $1 $dir/$b.raw } rfork n conv=enc if(~ $1 -r){ shift conv=raw } if(! ~ $#* 1 || ! test -d $1) { echo 'usage: cdenc base' >[1=2] exit usage } dir=$1 if(! test -f $dir/toc) cdplay -f /dev/sdD0 toc >$dir/toc cat $dir/toc cdfs -d /dev/sdD0 && @{ for (i in /mnt/cd/[au]*) { b=`{basename $i} # games/pacenc -s44100 -b190000 $i $dir/$b.pac $conv $i } } From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 04:52:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 04:52:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12685 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 04:52:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12681 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 04:52:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 04:52:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3860519DAF; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3019619D72; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:52:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AD5FF19BB1; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3DEC19C78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:50:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <51cf2c80e2b5a2d9e2f4289d138aa411@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-fjqslbjdhgjqdiycmvqhuhioch" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:50:48 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-fjqslbjdhgjqdiycmvqhuhioch Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit netstat -n to get the tcp channel and grep tcp/channel /proc/*/fd. I'm sure you can do the shell script around that. --upas-fjqslbjdhgjqdiycmvqhuhioch Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 13:29:28 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 13:29:26 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4E65C19DA9; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:29:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA09519DA1; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:29:10 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 53F3219DAF; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:28:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7204C19D8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:28:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBIIS07W008084 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:28:00 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBIIS0iI008080 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:28:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:28:00 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Russ Cox wrote: > Kill the server it is talking to, which is clearly misbehaving. alright, what's the easiest way to figure out which process is using port XYZ? --upas-fjqslbjdhgjqdiycmvqhuhioch-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:00:51 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:00:51 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12903 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:00:50 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12899 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:00:50 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:00:50 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1326319C4D; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F4CE19DC7; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:00:23 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A082219BB1; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9042E19DC8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:59:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ300801WUE3R@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:59:02 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ30071AWU0SU@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:59:02 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <025301c3c5f4$ffb240b0$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <51cf2c80e2b5a2d9e2f4289d138aa411@plan9.bell-labs.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:57:18 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > netstat -n to get the tcp channel and grep tcp/channel /proc/*/fd. I'm sure > you can do the shell script around that. or reach for your M9 ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:03:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:03:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13102 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:03:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13098 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:03:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:03:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7A60F19DD5; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:03:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FD6619DCA; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:03:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E68F19D72; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7ECB19AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:02:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <8574297c804834f9ee3c9801362189f8@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <51cf2c80e2b5a2d9e2f4289d138aa411@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:01:55 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > netstat -n to get the tcp channel and grep tcp/channel /proc/*/fd. I'm sure > you can do the shell script around that. I have an 'lsof' that lists all file descriptors + process #s.. just grepping for 'tcp' gave me the clues... I've even sent the code+man page to 9trouble, but don't know what happened :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:22:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:22:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13747 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:22:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13743 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:22:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:22:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 65F6C19C78; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B78119DDA; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:22:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5CE7E19DA2; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:21:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3CF0519C78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:21:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ300801XUZSB@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:20:59 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ3005NCXUNHH@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:20:59 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <027001c3c5f8$0fd08170$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8574297c804834f9ee3c9801362189f8@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:19:19 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I have an 'lsof' that lists all file descriptors + process #s.. just grepping for 'tcp' > gave me the clues... you ported that to plan 9? nasty little bugger, that thing; /dev/kmem city! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:23:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:23:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13758 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:23:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13754 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:23:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:23:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F292C199DD; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 582F919C39; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:23:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 81508199DD; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D38CC19DAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:22:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3fa755c37ddb7602f90a99a3c5433b9f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:22:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu Dec 18 10:07:29 EST 2003, mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote: > > What's the state of the law with respect to software DVD players? > > Johansen, the kid who wrote decss, is being prosecuted again in > > Norway, with a verdict expected December 22nd. Perhaps the more > > relevant question is: what's the state of MPAA FUD w.r.t. software > > DVD players? > > mplayer is going to be much more difficult to plan9-ise than links :) > and it doesn't even have a gui (unless you really want one)... we > know it could be done now, but we need to be much more careful because > mplayer is a very fast moving target we don't want to split from :) > > audio support! i've never had audio on Plan 9, few people do... > That's really sad, and shows how we've lost our way. The only reason there was a Plan 9 is because someone wanted a way to store and play chess endgames and old rock and roll. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:31:06 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:31:06 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14043 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:31:05 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14039 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:31:05 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:31:05 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 41C2119DD9; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42ED819CE9; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:30:39 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 87FFE19B86; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B19C119B3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <027001c3c5f8$0fd08170$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:29:34 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I have an 'lsof' that lists all file descriptors + process #s.. just > grepping for 'tcp' >> gave me the clues... > > you ported that to plan 9? no, I wrote my own: octarine% wc -l $home/kern/cmd/lsof.c 89 /usr/andrey/kern/cmd/lsof.c octarine% there's also top. for now it is a perl script, but I have been thinking of ways to make it look like stats a bit more (how would you represent different chunks of processor time? pie chart?), it's another 45 lines of code and actually that's what helped me find what was causing all the load on the system. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:40:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:40:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14533 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:40:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14529 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:40:52 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:40:52 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6A36B19C80; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:40:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61A0819AC9; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:40:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AD796199B7; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:39:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8929119B86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:39:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ300901YQ8LP@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:39:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ3007HLYPWHX@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:39:44 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <027a01c3c5fa$ad044560$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <3fa755c37ddb7602f90a99a3c5433b9f@plan9.bell-labs.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:38:01 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > That's really sad, and shows how we've lost our way. The only reason > there was a Plan 9 is because someone wanted a way to store and play chess > endgames and old rock and roll. ken has left the building ... :( From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:43:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:43:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14606 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:43:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14602 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:43:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:43:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1A85A19A7F; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:43:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4052719B64; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF59F19A7F; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 52B55199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 15518 invoked by uid 991); 18 Dec 2003 20:41:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20031218204157.15517.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca message dated "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:29:34 -0700." From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:41:57 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) | there's also top. for now it is a perl script, but I have been | thinking of ways to make it look like stats a bit more (how would you | represent different chunks of processor time? pie chart?), For inspiration, check out lavaps: processes represented as bubbles in a lava lamp. http://www.isi.edu/~johnh/SOFTWARE/LAVAPS/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:48:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:48:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14758 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:48:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14754 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:48:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:48:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5430D19D7D; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:48:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 814DF19B64; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:48:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0B58419CA5; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6FAD19A3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ300901Z2BNY@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:46:59 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ3007EZZ1ZSU@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:46:59 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <027e01c3c5fb$b04cc430$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:45:13 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > no, I wrote my own: good call. should be pretty easy with plan 9 /proc (unlike lunix's). i ported it [lsof] to some NCR Sys VileR4 (sic) boxes -- nasty. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 05:49:29 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 05:49:29 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14836 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 05:49:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14832 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 05:49:28 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 05:49:28 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 34F5D19B64; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE4AA19D90; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:49:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C98AF19DA3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1039019DB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:48:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <20031218204157.15517.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:48:37 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > http://www.isi.edu/~johnh/SOFTWARE/LAVAPS/ oh, no, if we're going to go overboard let's have psdoom: http://psdoom.sourceforge.net http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/images/ss2.gif the bigger the monster the more cputime it has consumed :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 06:22:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 06:22:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15756 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 06:22:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15752 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 06:22:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 06:22:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0C77519DB6; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F2CD19DB2; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BC38A19D5F; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEF5219BAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBILLSbV002434 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:21:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBILLRl10557 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:21:27 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312182121.hBILLRl10557@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:03:12 EST." <0ee94df7f05f52bd669c2ea5b87ea998@9srv.net> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:21:27 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) a@9srv.net writes: > // In fact, they're on the campaign trail again to move the whole > // company onto an environment that's cheaper for them to support. > > and what does that have to do with windows? unless they're moving > people *off* of it? windows generally looses the TCO war, unless > you're willing to undersupport your users and have things in a > perpetually broken state. in which case it can win, because > moderatly-bad windows admins are cheaper than moderatly-bad unix > admins. Windows is the sticky tar that killed the dinosaurs. Once you stick a finger in, you're not going to get out. And the finger that everyone got stuck with was Microsoft Word. I can't count the number of times someone tells me, `I'll send you a text file!' and I get a Word document. It's stupid, but it's reality. - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 06:35:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 06:35:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16232 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 06:35:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16224 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 06:35:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 06:35:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DD1A619D50; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DCDF19D72; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:35:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E616619D50; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:34:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5A4019C62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:34:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ400B0119SSW@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:34:41 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.117]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ400B7619Q7R@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:34:40 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <001501c3c602$5e5467d0$75079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200312182121.hBILLRl10557@augusta.math.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:33:12 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Windows is the sticky tar that killed the dinosaurs. Once you stick a > finger in, you're not going to get out. yup, straight out of _the mythical man month_. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 09:01:09 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 09:01:09 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21298 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 09:01:05 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21282 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 09:01:02 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 09:01:02 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6DA6E19B75; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:00:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BCDA19D97; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:00:33 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7756119D73; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.0.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 882B219C2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 30031 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2003 23:59:06 -0000 Received: from cpe-203-51-67-241.nsw.bigpond.net.au (HELO cc77109e) (203.51.67.241) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 18 Dec 2003 23:59:06 -0000 Message-ID: <01a901c3c5c3$864cf1b0$8201a8c0@cc77109e> From: "Bruce Ellis" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes Organization: www.chunder.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:03:11 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Cox" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes ... > Kill the server it is talking to, which is clearly misbehaving no, you have to try harder... sometimes a lot harder. it is not a problem with misbehaving servers. it's a flaw in 9p(2000), or devmnt, take your pick. when a process exits it closes its fds. if the close is the final reference to a channel then the chan is clunked and if the chan is being served the poor old process sends off a Tclunk and sits around waiting for the Rclunk. if the server is also exiting (which happens when they are in the same killed pgrp) they might be lucky enough to *not* be stuck waiting for each other. a very common scenario is a deadly embrace between rio upas/fs and exportfs. it happens all the time to me. rob's suggestion was to "rattle the cage enough" to get things to go away. things were even worse in inferno where fds are never closed explicitly. i fixed it in inferno because any system of any complexity demanded a huge stick to rattle the cage. as for "who is using inferno", well i use it for almost everything - almost all code i've written this year has been in limbo. i run emu on plan9 for development, emu on win2k to give me access to all the devices that i can't get data sheets for (particularly usb midi and non-standard usb audio). of course it also runs in my phone and router (wrt54g) and on $50 386 machines from china, various arm/xscale boards etc. my inferno web server (with active scripting) is so much smaller and faster than apache that it runs without pain on all of the above platforms. i've had informal sporadic discussions with VN about how to share the wealth (the inferno i run is so divergent from theirs that i wouldn't attempt a merge). maybe something will happen - when the weather gets worse. just my threepence worth. brucee From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 09:24:50 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; 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Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:07:37 From: jun.-1982.0724@ezweb.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mail Distributer Message-ID: Subject: [9fans] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJFIkXiQhIUEkISEqISobKEI=?= Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: jun.-1982.0724@ezweb.ne.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:07:37 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,INVALID_DATE, NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_SBL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) $BM7$S$?$$$J$!"v$$$D$G$bM7$Y$k$+$i%a!<%kBT$C$F$k$M(B(^^$B"v(B From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 09:48:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; 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Thu, 18 Dec 2003 19:47:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6b26bfbefecdb529f4cf9a8b9553d62d@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] newbie of plan9 From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:47:56 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i installed Plan 9 4th Edition. > > i have i810 Chipset and samtron 40Bn(14" SVGA) montior. > the default resolution was 640x480x8. > when i continue, the screen goes blank. Do you use the distribution from sources? The older i810 is only for LCD, where some parameters are assumed to be set correctly by the machine's BIOS. The i810 driver in the sources will work for your setting. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 10:28:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 10:28:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27384 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 10:28:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27379 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 10:28:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 10:28:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D741119B68; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8039C19B2C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:28:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 459A819B2C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:27:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BC8519BE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:27:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1c0f3da867bb5add3b5c5b4d8879bc17@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:27:32 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i did lame a while ago. i don't know how good the encoding actually is. I don't know the accuracy, however, I cann't hear difference between the two, CD and converted mp3, if I hear POP music. For classic music, I don't want to hear it from PCs. ☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 10:39:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 10:39:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28263 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 10:39:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28259 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 10:39:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 10:39:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5BEDE19B2C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F55419DCD; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:39:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5ACFB19B2C; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:38:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4200419DC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:38:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9109d283b572bbb559d9be26a2062d5e@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <200312182121.hBILLRl10557@augusta.math.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:38:31 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I can't count the number of times > someone tells me, `I'll send you a text file!' and I get a Word > document. It's stupid, but it's reality. Indeed, also excel 'documents', too. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 10:57:07 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 10:57:07 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29715 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 10:57:06 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29710 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 10:57:06 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 10:57:06 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8EA02199B7; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4012519A97; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:56:18 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DC91719DB4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:55:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E6BC19B4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:54:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:55:18 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> on my 20 GB disk, I have 6GB for each arena, 5GB fossil, and the usual >> little partitions. I think the 5GB fossil is overkill, but I'm a newbie to >> this stuff. > > any size fossil larger than a gigabyte is an overkill until you really > need the room -- then it becomes insufficient.. > > I know one person had problems with a 1GB fossil however -- he > simply couldn't store a file larger than that in it :) As I'm getting more familier with fossil+venti, and yesteray, I reformatted (actually re-prepped) one of our work space's fossil+venti file server's disk. --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 10453504 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/9fat --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 1062993408 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/cache --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 0 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/ctl --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 40020664320 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/data --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 3498247168 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/fossil --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 512 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/nvram --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 8930334720 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/other --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 40015954944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/plan9 -lrw------- S 0 sys sys 0 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/raw --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 744089088 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/swap --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442450944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index0 --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442450944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index1 --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442450944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index2 --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442451456 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index3 Here, we have 3.4GB fossil partition, and I got diskfull error to copy all the staffs to the new disk. (Venti has 120GB capacity, however, in this case Venti is not concerned). So, if you are planning to copy existing large file system to a new fossil, you must be carefull to choose fossil size. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:03:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:03:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30268 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:03:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30263 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:03:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:03:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 42FA819B27; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B704A19DBB; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:03:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1B91A19B27; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8A0319A72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBJ21Y8R007606 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:01:35 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBJ21X7Q001308 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:01:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBJ21XA12890 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:01:33 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312190201.hBJ21XA12890@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:55:18 +0900." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:01:33 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Here, we have 3.4GB fossil partition, and I got diskfull error to copy all > the staffs to the new disk. (Venti has 120GB capacity, however, in this > case Venti is not concerned). So, if you are planning to copy existing > large file system to a new fossil, you must be carefull to choose fossil > size. Or you must occasionally stop the copying process, and do a snap -a ? (if i recall correctly) (and then restart the copyer) I think that's how I copied some 10s of gig's of files onto a venti through a narrow (1Gb?) fossil (machine still in stage of being rebuilt, though). Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:05:46 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:05:46 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30403 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:05:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30394 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:05:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:05:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B74E919BC4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:05:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F02A419DCD; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:05:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1281819BC4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:04:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F067319DA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:04:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:04:30 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Here, we have 3.4GB fossil partition, and I got diskfull error to copy all > the staffs to the new disk. (Venti has 120GB capacity, however, in this > case Venti is not concerned). So, if you are planning to copy existing > large file system to a new fossil, you must be carefull to choose fossil > size. Of course, you can copy them part by part, which I was forced to do. However, it's somewhat painfull. ☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:06:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:06:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30472 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:06:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30467 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:06:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:06:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 88A0219DC4; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3000619DDA; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:06:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1151A19DBB; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:06:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E991C19DCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:05:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <200312190201.hBJ21XA12890@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:06:13 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Or you must occasionally stop the copying process, > and do a snap -a ? (if i recall correctly) (and then restart the copyer) > I think that's how I copied some 10s of gig's of files onto a venti > through a narrow (1Gb?) fossil > (machine still in stage of being rebuilt, though). snap -a here consumed three hours for about 2GB (supposed). Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:08:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:08:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30614 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:08:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30610 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:08:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:08:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2AB8319DBB; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35FFA19DDA; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:08:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 12E6819DD8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0452819DC8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:07:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <217d0e37759f8a6c11e79ee03591618b@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:07:54 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > snap -a here consumed three hours for about 2GB (supposed). Forgot, it took about one hour to copy them to the fossil. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:10:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:10:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30747 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:10:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30743 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:10:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:10:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1D05A19DE3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:10:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 958FB19DE8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:10:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B9E1819DDF; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B0B7519DD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:09:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBJ29T8R007930 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:09:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBJ29R7Q002599 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:09:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBJ29Rg12968 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:09:27 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312190209.hBJ29Rg12968@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:04:30 +0900." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:09:27 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Of course, you can copy them part by part, which I was forced to do. > However, it's somewhat painfull. =E2=98=BA Agreed (and the good news is that I may want/have to do it again, automatic 'snap -a' on almost-full-fossil would be handy) Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:12:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:12:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30859 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:12:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30855 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:12:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:12:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6B74219DD3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AE1E19DE9; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:12:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 91DA119DD3; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96E7119DEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBJ2BX8R007998 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:11:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBJ2BW7Q002921 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:11:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBJ2BWY12992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:11:32 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312190211.hBJ2BWY12992@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:07:54 +0900." <217d0e37759f8a6c11e79ee03591618b@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> References: <217d0e37759f8a6c11e79ee03591618b@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:11:32 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > snap -a here consumed three hours for about 2GB (supposed). > > Forgot, it took about one hour to copy them to the fossil. I don't recall the exact times/gigs I had here; I think in the end I used a scheme of half our copy, half our wait for snap -a to finish, half our copy, etc. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:29:57 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:29:57 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31830 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:29:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31826 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:29:55 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:29:55 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A2C3B19DEB; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0357D19DEE; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1791419DE5; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A77319C7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from nospam.com (h00095b53ce25.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.34.51.135]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2003121902280201200t8hjge>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:28:02 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE2623E.6090602@nospam.com> From: bs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy References: <200312181236.hBICa6cQ011323@piglet.dstc.edu.au> <00fe01c3c5b7$a5aea8c0$a4079486@SOMA> In-Reply-To: <00fe01c3c5b7$a5aea8c0$a4079486@SOMA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: bs@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:28:14 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) boyd, rounin wrote: >>seems to be called RDP. > > > Reliable Datagram Protcol? never implemented. > Remote Desktop Protocol From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 11:37:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 11:37:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32308 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 11:37:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32303 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 11:37:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 11:37:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 028ED19A99; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9BC919DE5; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:37:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4BFB119D90; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC05119DD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:36:28 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0ba28b28c8dbc4a841e53500ff292ee7@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <217d0e37759f8a6c11e79ee03591618b@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:36:52 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> snap -a here consumed three hours for about 2GB (supposed). > > Forgot, it took about one hour to copy them to the fossil. One more thing! This machine is 1.6GHz Pen4 and 1GB memory with two IDE HDDs, 40GB and 120GB. Copied through 100MB ether net. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 12:08:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 12:08:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2357 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 12:08:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2353 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 12:08:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 12:08:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 642B219DF5; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:08:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16FCC19DC8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:08:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6012919DA5; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:07:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 861D819CA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:07:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ohqaigesejeuciytbguitbodgo" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:07:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ohqaigesejeuciytbguitbodgo Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I updated lsof.c to sources. --upas-ohqaigesejeuciytbguitbodgo Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 15:31:06 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Dec 18 15:31:03 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 795DA19D50; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBCA119C39; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:30:37 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 87FFE19B86; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B19C119B3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:29:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <027001c3c5f8$0fd08170$a4079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:29:34 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I have an 'lsof' that lists all file descriptors + process #s.. just > grepping for 'tcp' >> gave me the clues... > > you ported that to plan 9? no, I wrote my own: octarine% wc -l $home/kern/cmd/lsof.c 89 /usr/andrey/kern/cmd/lsof.c octarine% there's also top. for now it is a perl script, but I have been thinking of ways to make it look like stats a bit more (how would you represent different chunks of processor time? pie chart?), it's another 45 lines of code and actually that's what helped me find what was causing all the load on the system. --upas-ohqaigesejeuciytbguitbodgo-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 12:24:51 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 12:24:51 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3490 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 12:24:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3486 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 12:24:50 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 12:24:50 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A273419DB2; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C517319BB1; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:24:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B137019A97; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:23:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7A6419A69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBJ3Na7W011648 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:23:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBJ3NaIr011644 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:23:36 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:23:36 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > snap -a here consumed three hours for about 2GB (supposed). > snap -a is now working for about two hours here for a 6gb file, the entire system has stopped, nothing is responding except the connections already established (I can type 'msg' on the fossil console for example, or monitor stats, but I can't open any new windows). previous attempts to _copy_ the file to the same fossil caused a severe crash, which I couldn't document. I needed to reinitialize from venti and lost the day's work. fyi: msg -m 100 -n 30 the last msg command, before the window became unavailable, showed nproc = 24... I'll let it stay overnight, see how that goes... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 12:33:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 12:33:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4031 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 12:33:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4027 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 12:33:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 12:33:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ADFC519DB0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:33:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6AF519AA0; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:33:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A2ECF19DED; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E613719AA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.227.126.206] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXBNF-0004mr-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:32:21 +0100 Received: from [61.95.192.56] (helo=agni) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXBNE-0008U8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:32:21 +0100 From: Martin C.Atkins To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-Id: <20031219090231.086ab039.martin@parvat.com> In-Reply-To: <577fd0c726f326714323074c32cead74@centurytel.net> References: <577fd0c726f326714323074c32cead74@centurytel.net> Organization: Parvat Infotech (Private) Limited X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:113a684b1fe18b05bb432fb0fae7a311 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:02:31 +0530 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:57:56 -0800 "Skip Tavakkolian" wrote: > Isn't this an argument for stronger drawterm effort (or something > more ambitious)? This is probably a silly thought, since I haven't researched it, but... Given the recent changes to Inferno (fileserving, graphics, etc), would it not be relatively easy (or at least, easier than it was) to rewrite drawterm in limbo? The advantages are obvious - a single drawterm binary would work identically on all the platforms supported by Inferno! Martin -- Martin C. Atkins martin@parvat.com Parvat Infotech Private Limited http://www.parvat.com{/,/martin} From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 14:25:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 14:25:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11489 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 14:25:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11485 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 14:25:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 14:25:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CE98719CA5; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2F3319BF5; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:25:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 982A419B0B; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:24:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7710E19AEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:23:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ400G01MYLDU@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:23:45 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.157]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ400DMBMXFCF@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:22:29 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <00e301c3c643$b7736f50$75079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <577fd0c726f326714323074c32cead74@centurytel.net> <20031219090231.086ab039.martin@parvat.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:21:02 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Given the recent changes to Inferno (fileserving, graphics, etc), would > it not be relatively easy (or at least, easier than it was) to rewrite > drawterm in limbo? > > The advantages are obvious - a single drawterm binary would work > identically on all the platforms supported by Inferno! sounds like a plan and you could bugfix it without, say, a $loth SDK. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 15:11:51 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 15:11:51 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14936 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 15:11:50 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14932 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:11:50 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:11:50 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 734A919BB4; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4C9619C38; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:11:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 85B8819BB6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 736CF19AC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:09:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <6f9f894bbd181956d09c161d6e561004@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:10:10 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Fonts becomes very nice, Links seems to use only one size of fonts for text? 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Cejchan Lab of Paleobiology and Paleoecology Institute of Geology Academy of Sciences Rozvojova 135 16502 Prague, Czechia http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan -----Original Message----- From: ron minnich [mailto:rminnich@lanl.gov]=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:54 AM To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > > However, now, things have been changed, that is, now most of = computer=20 > > users are naive users, and they don't want to LEARN computers. ... > Some things never change, and resistance to new technology is one of = them.=20 > But, sooner or later, better new stuff will beat out older crap stuff. = It=20 > just always takes too long, and its easy to get discouraged. Plus, = Plan 9=20 ... http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/106568390/ABSTRACT How history happens, or why the conventional wisdom is always wrong John L. Casti Complexity Volume 8, Issue 6, 2003. Pages 12-16 Copyright (c) 2003 Wiley Periodicals, Inc. ;-))) ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 15:21:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 15:21:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15475 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 15:21:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15471 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:21:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:21:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E5BD019B8B; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D352419D5F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:21:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D7EE119C38; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:20:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E798419AC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:20:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBJ6KF7W012244 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:20:15 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBJ6KFd1012240 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:20:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:20:15 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp wrote: > > Fonts becomes very nice, > > Links seems to use only one size of fonts for text? > People demand much when one becomes satisfied.☺ http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/varfont.png you'll have to wait a bit more for this one -- most of the fonts with good variable sizes don't have very good utf glyph coverage, unless you want to use non-standard fonts (for plan9 at least) such as efont or 10646. in my estimation we need about 10-12 different heights from each different font that people may be thinking of using to cover a reasonable set of people's desires.. i believe work is being done to remedy that problem. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 15:42:51 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 15:42:51 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16811 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 15:42:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16807 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:42:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:42:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7BBD619BD3; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:42:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D51919C5E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:42:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 745A619B70; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C76519BB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:41:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9194abea312abcb34b21a37d94696026@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:41:57 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/varfont.png Fum, is this a snapshot of links? If so, it's very good. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 15:50:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 15:50:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17288 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 15:50:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17282 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:50:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:50:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 35FA619D68; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 860A819D87; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A7AA619D6E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8243619BB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:49:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:49:25 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > in my estimation we need about 10-12 different heights from each different > font that people may be thinking of using to cover a reasonable set of > people's desires.. How about to use lucida and lucidasans, where I have many sizes. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 16:24:54 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 16:24:54 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19244 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 16:24:53 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19237 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 16:24:52 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 16:24:52 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B27D919D66; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 13C4219D8F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:24:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 45DD319A9C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:23:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A83719A8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:23:45 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: me silly idiot! Thread-Index: AcPGAQklKAmXNeOaQs+V1NVel447cQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] me silly idiot! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:23:44 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ... i did 'pull -s' could it be that all my settinngs (hwaccel off, network, etc. etc.) are = gone? regards, yours unhappy, ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 16:34:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 16:34:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19776 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 16:34:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19771 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 16:34:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 16:34:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5414A19B74; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4D7719DB5; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:34:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1AF0F19D85; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:33:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0437519B74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:33:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0aa559de9725cfb6b932f570ff0a7f5a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] me silly idiot! From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:33:55 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > ... i did 'pull -s' > could it be that all my settinngs (hwaccel off, network, etc. etc.) are gone? I recommend you to have one cheep kfs machine dedicated only for pull. I made such a silly mistake many times ago, and learned to do that. ☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 16:39:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 16:39:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20213 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 16:39:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20208 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 16:39:50 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 16:39:50 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A4EEC19D85; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:39:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DAF219DD6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:39:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4AC1219DC8; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E15CF19D85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 02:38:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:39:01 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'll let it stay overnight, see how that goes... Ok! four hours to snap all the 3.2GB fossil to venti. The conditions are as follows: Pen4 1.6GHz, with 1GB memory ATA100 sdC0: 40GB (Many partitions) --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 10453504 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/9fat --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 1062993408 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/cache --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 0 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/ctl --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 40020664320 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/data --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 3498247168 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/fossil --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 512 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/nvram --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 8930334720 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/other --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 40015954944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/plan9 -lrw------- S 0 sys sys 0 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/raw --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 744089088 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/swap --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442450944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index0 --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442450944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index1 --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442450944 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index2 --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6442451456 Dec 16 18:46 /dev/sdC0/v.index3 sdC1: 120GB (Venti only) Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 17:17:50 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 17:17:50 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22743 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 17:17:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22739 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 17:17:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 17:17:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 88B8B19DC1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:17:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C481019DE1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:17:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1467219DC8; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:16:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C07B19B92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:16:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <975b41bfa536fb4479782a20122a057c@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <20031219090231.086ab039.martin@parvat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:18:00 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>it not be relatively easy (or at least, easier than it was) to rewrite >>drawterm in limbo? i'd have thought it would be close to a shell script, given some commands that roger has done to interact with rio, that might (or might not) even be in the current distribution. much of drawterm is similar to a large subset of emu (and supporting libraries). From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 17:27:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 17:27:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23505 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 17:27:34 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23501 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 17:27:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 17:27:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D5FF119DD2; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85DF119DD6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:27:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9CD7F19C39; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:26:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E560419AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:25:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXFxK-0004YI-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:25:54 +0100 Received: from [61.95.192.56] (helo=agni) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AXFxJ-0005fl-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 09:25:54 +0100 From: Martin C.Atkins To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy Message-Id: <20031219135605.1cdc0e2d.martin@parvat.com> In-Reply-To: <975b41bfa536fb4479782a20122a057c@caldo.demon.co.uk> References: <20031219090231.086ab039.martin@parvat.com> <975b41bfa536fb4479782a20122a057c@caldo.demon.co.uk> Organization: Parvat Infotech (Private) Limited X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:113a684b1fe18b05bb432fb0fae7a311 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:56:05 +0530 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:18:00 0000 Charles Forsyth wrote: > i'd have thought it would be close to a shell script, That would reduce the complexity somewhat - assuming it isn't a *really* horrendous shell script :-) > given some commands that roger has done to interact > with rio, that might (or might not) even be in the current distribution. Yes, I was remembering Roger's Charon-in-a-window work, and hoping that it implied good things about the possibility of reversing the roles, which is, I think, mostly what drawterm would involve. > much of drawterm is similar to a large subset of emu > (and supporting libraries). I wish all my shower-time ideas turned out so good! Martin -- Martin C. Atkins martin@parvat.com Parvat Infotech Private Limited http://www.parvat.com{/,/martin} From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 18:17:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 18:17:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25858 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 18:17:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25854 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 18:17:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 18:17:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0A6B519B4B; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EE5B19DD1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:17:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 271EC19C39; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:16:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 391C719B4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:16:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <3fa755c37ddb7602f90a99a3c5433b9f@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:16:40 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> audio support! i've never had audio on Plan 9, few people do... >> > > That's really sad, and shows how we've lost our way. The only reason > there was a Plan 9 is because someone wanted a way to store and play chess > endgames and old rock and roll. Wait wait wait. I use plan 9 to play stuff from our /n/music using usb devices; not to talk that I used the ipaq as an mp3 player for a long time. These days we have touch screen support in Plan 9, among other things, to select alan parson's tracks to play :-) That's why I'm surprised to hear there's no audio support in plan 9. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 18:41:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 18:41:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26845 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 18:41:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26841 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 18:41:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 18:41:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9844319AC2; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D38C819DD6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5F49719D73; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:40:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9026219AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:40:39 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mail config Thread-Index: AcPGFCjZ/KOlKSD9QFWg+/lriONqUA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] mail config Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:40:38 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) hi, our LAN is using 'microfoft exchange server' on windoze xp (eXotic = Parrot ;-) can anyone, please, help me to set up plan9 to connect there, if it is = possible? thanks, [ndb & termrc configured :-] ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 18:46:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 18:46:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27052 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 18:46:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27048 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 18:46:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 18:46:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E0B0219B97; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:46:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 334B019D71; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:46:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ED87819D88; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:45:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FCDE19AAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 04:45:42 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hBJ9i1g9025966 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:44:01 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] mail config Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD3@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mail config Thread-Index: AcPGFCjZ/KOlKSD9QFWg+/lriONqUAAAIUog From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:45:38 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > our LAN is using 'microfoft exchange server' on windoze xp=20 > (eXotic Parrot ;-) > can anyone, please, help me to set up plan9 to connect there,=20 > if it is possible? Exchange exports IMAP, if configured to do so (horribly, tho). It's the only way. Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 19:41:50 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 19:41:50 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29673 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 19:41:50 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29669 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 19:41:49 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 19:41:49 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 00BAB19BB6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:41:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A0A119C1E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EB29519BD4; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:40:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from one.mteege.de (one.mteege.de [81.2.131.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D28C819B32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:40:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 70993 invoked by uid 66); 19 Dec 2003 10:40:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 47989 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 10:38:48 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 10:38:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 17068 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Dec 2003 10:38:48 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Matthias Teege Message-ID: <868yl9gkhz.fsf@gic.mteege.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [9fans] cpu server and swap Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:38:26 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Moin, Today I found my (diskless) cpu/auth server with the message fs killed because no swap configured no physical memory Ok, I understand but what eats the memory? The machine has 256MB RAM and reports at startup 2387 free pages, 9548kbytes, 167948k swap. I run a vmware cpu server with only 64MB RAM without any problems and stats shows only 10% memory usage. As I understand cpurc correct, cpu servers don't use swap. What do I missing? Matthias -- Matthias Teege -- http://www.mteege.de make world not war From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 20:29:54 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 20:29:54 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31621 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 20:29:53 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31617 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 20:29:52 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 20:29:52 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CCA1419B76; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EA3A19BE2; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:29:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C33E919B85; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:28:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (collyer.ca [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A435919A6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:27:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <741058fd8b2cd393a626e60a70e5981c@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu server and swap From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <868yl9gkhz.fsf@gic.mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:27:56 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cpu servers can indeed swap, just as terminals can. Only Ken's original file server kernel won't swap. Terminals are sometimes configured to swap into /n/other/swap (in order to run them diskless or at least real-disk-less). They can also be configured to swap to local disk, if present. It looks like something is wrong; my terminal also has 256MB and I give 55% to the kernel, primarily for images (it may be overkill, but I use a lot of windows and hate running out of image memory at inconvenient times), yet have lots of free memory: ; cat /dev/swap 4404/29266 memory 0/99066 swap I almost never swap, but the first two numbers at least are in units of the machine's page size (4K on the x86). So I've got 117,064KB (114.3MB) of non-kernel memory, of which 17,616KB (17.2MB) is in use. You can ignore the `167948k swap', but it appears that your kernel is only seeing about 16MB of RAM, and leaving you with 2387 pages (9548K bytes) or about 60% of 16MB. Try `cat /dev/swap' on that machine. Is there a `*maxmem=' line in your plan9.ini? If not, it would seem that your machine is odd enough that kernel memory sizing is getting confused. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 20:40:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 20:40:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32015 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 20:40:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32010 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 20:40:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 20:40:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DBA4F19AB6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:40:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABCB719B45; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:40:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1063819BC7; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:39:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (collyer.ca [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AF0E19A6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 06:39:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1d3703e94defa6f58834b750683e3b7f@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:39:10 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The word `support' is now as meaningless as `system', so I'm not sure what constitutes `audio support' for you. Plan 9 has long been able to drive SoundBlaster 16s and clones and now can drive USB audio devices. Ken collected ~160GB of PAC-encoded music on choline, our old file server. PAC is Perceptual Audio Coding, also developed at the labs. pacenc and pac[1-4]dec are not distributed, nor is the `audio' GUI command to control playing PAC-encoded music. PAC nominally compresses music 14:1 and the sound quality is quite good. So those 160GB correspond to about 2.24TB, probably a little less. A PAC-encoded album might take 45-65MB, with songs taking about 3-9MB. Ken ended up using an 8-processor x86 (Pentium Pro, I think) system to rip CDs by handing a track to each processor to encode, which really sped up the process. So from my perspective, there's lots of audio support in Plan 9, though it may appear less so to most people. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 21:19:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 21:19:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1158 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 21:19:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1154 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 21:19:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 21:19:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0C5CA19A71; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:19:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5BC1819DD6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:19:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4350B19B05; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:18:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-200-130.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.200.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4ABAF19A71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:18:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: plan9@blueyonder.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] two questions: starting fgui? and emailing fossil vac scores? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:18:36 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I normally run drawterm to connect to my home setup. One of the problems I've run into over time was that auth/fgui was not automatically available, so I added auth/fgui& to my riostartup. But that lead to factotums leaking every time I closed the connection. Currently I'm doing window -hide auth/fgui, which is clearly not exactly right. So, is there a recommended way to get fgui to be available when I log in via drawterm? My second question is about something I've read on the list a couple of times. How do I set up automatic emailing of the vac scores generated by the archival snapshot in fossil? Thanks, Robby From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 21:55:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 21:55:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2100 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 21:55:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2096 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 21:55:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 21:55:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F04C019B2F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:55:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6585419BA1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:55:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3687019B58; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4DDE219A05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:54:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2d65d93ca39a2c48d551226617ae0cb6@snellwilcox.com> From: steve-simon@ntlworld.nospam.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] links -> kernel panic ! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:59:01 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Sorry about this but links is causing me kernel panics. I am running the vanilla kernel and links from the net and if I visit this page: http://www.torry.net/comp_klx_repots.htm I get panic: boot process died: exit 801068ee 8085230c ... The link is not the exact one I visited the first time this happened as I wrone it down incorrectly, so this link gives a 404 not found error. Unfortunately it still panics my machine... Anyone wants me to try somthing to debug this I am happy too -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 22:37:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 22:37:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3352 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 22:37:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3347 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 22:37:45 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 22:37:45 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1049719B2B; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F3DC19C15; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:37:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3BD4119B0E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:36:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7316F19AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:36:39 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Plan 9 bleached! Thread-Index: AcPGNSDoFYoE258wQyyMFw+l6EkL1w== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 bleached! Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:36:38 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ yes, and have a nice Xmas all! ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 19 22:50:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 19 22:50:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3870 invoked by uid 1020); 19 Dec 2003 22:50:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3865 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 22:50:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 22:50:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA21319C1E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AF0B19C5E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D055A19C1E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:49:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46D6E19B0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:49:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX3aO-000E30-5f for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:24 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:01:55 MST." <8574297c804834f9ee3c9801362189f8@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <54000.1071774802.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:13:22 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > netstat -n to get the tcp channel and grep tcp/channel /proc/*/fd. I'm sure > > you can do the shell script around that. > > I have an 'lsof' that lists all file descriptors + process #s.. just grepping for 'tcp' > gave me the clues... > > I've even sent the code+man page to 9trouble, but don't know what happened :) i don't remember the one you sent to 9trouble, but it seems trivial enough not to warrant a separate command: #!/bin/rc cd /proc for (i in *) cat $i/fd | sed s/^/$i' '/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 00:10:56 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 00:10:56 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7066 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 00:10:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7036 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:10:54 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:10:54 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A394E19B0E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:10:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB8D119C5C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:10:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9EA5D199E3; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:09:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [137.186.244.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9A57019B1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:09:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0505aae8d38757439deb589910a81a49@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil, without, venti? From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:13:09 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I'll let it stay overnight, see how that goes... > > Ok! > four hours to snap all the 3.2GB fossil to venti. I woke up to a live machine... Here's the culprit: main: msg msg -m 100 -p 30 nmsg 100 nmsgstarve 12 nproc 30 nprocstarve 10 main: It never used to happen before since there were only a file server and a cpu server + a drawterm. I guess I just have more users :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 00:12:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 00:12:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7173 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 00:12:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7169 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:12:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:12:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4407319B1E; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CC0E19C5A; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:12:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7CD0F19BA1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [137.186.244.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8820219B1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:11:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6f3a7898cef933f4458e2c095c0f6fd7@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new links binary+source From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <9194abea312abcb34b21a37d94696026@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:15:08 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/varfont.png > > Fum, is this a snapshot of links? > If so, it's very good. yes, it is :) this also has italic fonts, which the original links doesn't have :P From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 00:18:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 00:18:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7468 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 00:18:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7463 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:18:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:18:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A828E19C68; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71C4B19D8F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:18:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BD18919C68; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [137.186.244.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB33A199CC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:16:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4b8aa225aa44359f9daa7c01ca68ed68@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu server and swap From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <868yl9gkhz.fsf@gic.mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:20:34 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > fs killed because no swap configured no physical memory > for what it's worth, you get that message when you type '^T^Tk' on the console of a Plan 9 machine (the process killed may be different).. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 00:22:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 00:22:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7642 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 00:22:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7637 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:22:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:22:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2A50219D71; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBD80199BC; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2365719C9A; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from one.mteege.de (one.mteege.de [81.2.131.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0175C199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 73864 invoked by uid 66); 19 Dec 2003 15:22:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 49365 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2003 15:20:01 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 19 Dec 2003 15:20:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 52400 invoked by uid 1001); 19 Dec 2003 15:20:00 -0000 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu server and swap References: <741058fd8b2cd393a626e60a70e5981c@collyer.net> From: Matthias Teege In-Reply-To: <741058fd8b2cd393a626e60a70e5981c@collyer.net> (Geoff Collyer's message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2003 03:27:56 -0800") Message-ID: <86d6akygv3.fsf@gic.mteege.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:19:38 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Geoff Collyer writes: > You can ignore the `167948k swap', but it appears that your kernel is > only seeing about 16MB of RAM, and leaving you with 2387 pages (9548K > bytes) or about 60% of 16MB. Try `cat /dev/swap' on that machine. Is > there a `*maxmem=' line in your plan9.ini? If not, it would seem that > your machine is odd enough that kernel memory sizing is getting > confused. It looks like that. After boot the cpu server cat /dev/swap gives me 544/2378 memory, 0/39600 swap and maxmem isn't set. Oooaahhh ?%#$! How do I tell Santa Claus that I need another cpu server? Vielen Dank Matthias -- Matthias Teege -- http://www.mteege.de make world not war From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 00:23:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 00:23:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7677 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 00:23:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7673 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:23:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:23:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 117ED19DF3; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B4B0D19DCB; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:23:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3404819DCE; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:22:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 336DC19CF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:22:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBJFM67W013800 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:22:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBJFM6bB013796 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:22:06 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-1618459641-303943946-1071847326=:13780" Subject: [9fans] Forwarded attachment... Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:22:06 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---1618459641-303943946-1071847326=:13780 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This patch fixes links crashing terminals. I lost all my work from yesterday so I couldn't get it on the web. The problem isn't so bad if you have more memory (>= 512 with untouched kernelpercent) where only links will crash. that's why we were able to debug it yesterday... andrey ---1618459641-303943946-1071847326=:13780 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Content-Description: I don't know whether that's the same bug, but links crashed on nikkei.com due to a memcpy() being called with a nil second argument in dns.c:49. I've worked around it as follows: diff /n/dump/2003/1218/usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c 47,48c47,49 < nogethostbyaddr: if (!(hst = gethostbyname((char *)name))) < return -1; --- > nogethostbyaddr: > if (!(hst = gethostbyname((char *)name)) || !hst->h_addr_list[0]) > return -1; also add this one: diff /n/dump/2003/1218/usr/andrey/src/links-ape/config.h /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/config.h 22a23 > #define HAVE_GETHOSTBYADDR 1 Can you verify if this fixes links' crashing? The problem with nikkei not displaying proper fonts is because they're using Shift_GIS encoding, which Links doesn't know how to handle. I should port lunix' "iconv" which knows everything there is to know about encodings, and will make links use that instead of its own (limited) conversion tables, then it'll handle Shift_JIS and many more sites as it should. That won't happen immediately, though... andrey ---1618459641-303943946-1071847326=:13780-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 00:28:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 00:28:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7858 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 00:28:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7854 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 00:28:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 00:28:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 493AB19DB5; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B20C219DE0; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:28:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 72ABC19D8F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [137.186.244.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77BDC199BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:27:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <9e1ece40f542f2a019c3a7ba9ec1b56e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:31:13 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i don't remember the one you sent to 9trouble, > but it seems trivial enough not to warrant a > separate command: > > #!/bin/rc > cd /proc > for (i in *) > cat $i/fd | sed s/^/$i' '/ it's written in C for the same reason 'ps' is, whatever that may be :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 02:08:51 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 02:08:51 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12669 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 02:08:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12665 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:08:50 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:08:50 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BD9AE19AA6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:08:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42C7419C95; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:08:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E8F7219B8C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61E1C19BA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX6ft-000EjH-1G for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:31:17 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2003 07:31:13 MST." <9e1ece40f542f2a019c3a7ba9ec1b56e@plan9.ucalgary.ca> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <56621.1071786676.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:31:16 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > i don't remember the one you sent to 9trouble, > > but it seems trivial enough not to warrant a > > separate command: > > > > #!/bin/rc > > cd /proc > > for (i in *) > > cat $i/fd | sed s/^/$i' '/ > > it's written in C for the same reason 'ps' is, whatever that may be :) ps does non-trivial reformatting of the /proc files. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 02:09:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 02:09:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12696 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 02:09:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12688 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:09:31 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:09:31 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4AEA719DE1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B215819DD8; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:09:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CEC2919C15; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53F2F19B8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:07:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX6gH-000Ejs-Kc for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:31:41 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forwarded attachment... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:22:06 MST." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <56658.1071786701.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:31:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > This patch fixes links crashing terminals. I lost all my work from yesterday so I > couldn't get it on the web. why does the kernel crash? i'd rather fix that first. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 02:21:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 02:21:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13224 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 02:21:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13220 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:21:50 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:21:50 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 30A5119AE1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0BAB19DD8; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:21:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3E98819C75; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 412B319A7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:20:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBJHKNfK013051 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:20:23 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBJHKMtS014772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:20:22 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBJHKMd4020696 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:20:22 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:20:22 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Russ Cox wrote: > ps does non-trivial reformatting of the /proc files. yes but look what's possible with lsof: lsof [ -?abChlnNOPRstUvVX ] [ -A A ] [ -c c ] [ +|-d d ] [ +|-D D ] [ +|-f [cfgGn] ] [ -F [f] ] [ -g [s] ] [ -i [i] ] [ -k k ] [ +|-L [l] ] [ -m m ] [ +|-M ] [ -o [o] ] [ -p s ] [ +| -r [t] ] [ -S [t] ] [ -T [t] ] [ -u s ] [ +|-w ] [ -- ] [names] yessirree, I'm sure we want an lsof with all them purty switches. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 02:23:32 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 02:23:32 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13312 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 02:23:31 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13308 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:23:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:23:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B0DA419DEE; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35AF119DED; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:23:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ED8F419DE7; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD0C319DD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:21:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2919a26ef6f18d0b1c9dc29e082a60e0@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forwarded attachment... From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:21:52 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> This patch fixes links crashing terminals. I lost all my work from yesterday so I >> couldn't get it on the web. > > why does the kernel crash? > i'd rather fix that first. trace on a terminal that doesn't panic: octarine% acid 59461 /proc/59461/text:386 plan 9 executable /sys/lib/acid/port /sys/lib/acid/386 acid: lstk() memcpy(p1=0x7fffed9c,p2=0x0,n=0x4,p=0x7fffed9c)+0x3e /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/386/memcpy.s:47 do_real_lookup(name=0x25531c,host=0x7fffed9c)+0x5f /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:50 lookup_fn(name=0x25531c,h=0x13)+0x17 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:56 host=0x0 start_thread(ptr=0x25531c,fn=0x27bda)+0x8d /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/os_dep.c:190 p=0x11 f=0x0 do_lookup(q=0x255304,force_async=0x0)+0x49 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:92 do_queued_lookup(q=0x255304)+0x17 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:107 find_host_no_cache(name=0x25e054,data=0x2545ec,fn=0x1665e,qp=0x254634,addr=0x25e010)+0x8c /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:186 q=0x255304 find_host(qp=0x254634,name=0x25e054,addr=0x25e010,data=0x2545ec,fn=0x1665e)+0x6d /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:200 dnsentry=0x25dffc make_connection(c=0x2545ec,func=0x5198e,sock=0x25462c,port=0x7a7)+0x15c /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/connect.c:93 host=0x25e054 as=0x2817eb http_func(c=0x2545ec)+0x6b /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/http.c:144 run_connection(c=0x2545ec)+0x18d /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/sched.c:427 func=0x51902 hc=0x280acc try_connection(c=0x2545ec)+0x82 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/sched.c:474 check_queue()+0x100 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/sched.c:539 c=0x2545ec cp=0x3 d=0x113388 dd=0x2545ec check_bottom_halves()+0x76 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/select.c:140 fn=0x7e651 data=0x0 bh=0x280acc check_timers()+0x70 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/select.c:190 interval=0x0 t=0x25dfa4 tt=0x1 select_loop(init=0x6b90b)+0x104 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/select.c:531 tm=0x0 tv=0x12c n=0x1 i=0x37 stbuf=0x0 main(argv=0x7fffefa4,argc=0x2)+0x41 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/main.c:467 _main+0x26 /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/386/main9.s:12 acid: here's a snapshot of a different terminal that panicked: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/trace.gif and the kernel image that goes with it: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/9pcdisk.gz I am just assuming that the panic is triggered by the same bug in dns.c. Okamoto reported that Links doesn't panic his terminals with the dns fixed. hth, andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 02:26:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 02:26:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13453 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 02:26:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13449 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 02:26:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 02:26:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B8B4819DCE; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:26:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5687419DF4; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:26:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8603119DE0; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC1C519C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:25:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:25:48 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > #!/bin/rc >> > cd /proc >> > for (i in *) >> > cat $i/fd | sed s/^/$i' '/ This one actually works: % cat lsof #!/bin/rc cd /proc for (i in *) if(! ~ $i trace) cat $i/fd | sed 's/^/'^$i^' /' % Subst that for lsof.c if you wish -- simple is better :) By the way, it wasn't a script because I was doing 'ls /proc' instead of 'in *' and had to deal with the 'ls' process exiting before I had gotten around to catting its fd file, not that I didn't try :) andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 04:20:57 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 04:20:57 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17967 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 04:20:56 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17963 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 04:20:55 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 04:20:55 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5668819C99; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:20:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC99E19CA1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:20:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BD96619C6A; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B904199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:19:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBJJJNbV023995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBJJJNl14030 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:19:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312191919.hBJJJNl14030@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:16:40 +0100." From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:19:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "Fco.J.Ballesteros" writes: > These days we have touch screen support in Plan 9, among other things, > to select alan parson's tracks to play :-) Aurgh! - Dan C. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 06:10:00 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 06:10:00 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21757 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 06:09:59 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21753 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 06:09:58 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 06:09:58 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0432C19DD1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:09:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4365E19A70; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:09:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D176F19AA4; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:08:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D919B19B82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:07:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 bleached! From: Richard Miller In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:07:34 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) It looks fine on my greyscale monitor :) -- Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 07:41:51 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 07:41:51 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25090 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 07:41:50 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25086 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:41:49 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:41:49 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 96C5A19DAD; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:41:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B60AB19CA2; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:41:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D793F19C3B; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:40:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA8F319A86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:40:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <25c6a88bbd3ebfd4f4e20315d4ad1a54@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forwarded attachment... In-Reply-To: <2919a26ef6f18d0b1c9dc29e082a60e0@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-favcvtvvmnigkcwskhmfvrcrut" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:40:06 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-favcvtvvmnigkcwskhmfvrcrut Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem was links trying to (successfully) kill off the init process. It was all my fault. A change I made to the select emulation killed off the 'extra' timer process on atexit. Unfortunately, I didn't bother to look at the rest of the code and notice that the rock it was hiding its pid under was getting set to -1 sometimes (like when some other process sharing the memory aborted). So the code was doing a kill(-1) which means send a note to process group 1. Fixed two ways. Select is fixed and /bin/init no longer lets itself be killed so easily. --upas-favcvtvvmnigkcwskhmfvrcrut Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 19 12:23:29 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Dec 19 12:23:26 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D3DFD19BC7; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:23:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5594119DE9; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:23:11 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id ED8F419DE7; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from octarine.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.105]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD0C319DD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:21:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2919a26ef6f18d0b1c9dc29e082a60e0@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Forwarded attachment... From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:21:52 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> This patch fixes links crashing terminals. I lost all my work from yesterday so I >> couldn't get it on the web. > > why does the kernel crash? > i'd rather fix that first. trace on a terminal that doesn't panic: octarine% acid 59461 /proc/59461/text:386 plan 9 executable /sys/lib/acid/port /sys/lib/acid/386 acid: lstk() memcpy(p1=0x7fffed9c,p2=0x0,n=0x4,p=0x7fffed9c)+0x3e /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/386/memcpy.s:47 do_real_lookup(name=0x25531c,host=0x7fffed9c)+0x5f /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:50 lookup_fn(name=0x25531c,h=0x13)+0x17 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:56 host=0x0 start_thread(ptr=0x25531c,fn=0x27bda)+0x8d /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/os_dep.c:190 p=0x11 f=0x0 do_lookup(q=0x255304,force_async=0x0)+0x49 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:92 do_queued_lookup(q=0x255304)+0x17 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:107 find_host_no_cache(name=0x25e054,data=0x2545ec,fn=0x1665e,qp=0x254634,addr=0x25e010)+0x8c /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:186 q=0x255304 find_host(qp=0x254634,name=0x25e054,addr=0x25e010,data=0x2545ec,fn=0x1665e)+0x6d /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/dns.c:200 dnsentry=0x25dffc make_connection(c=0x2545ec,func=0x5198e,sock=0x25462c,port=0x7a7)+0x15c /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/connect.c:93 host=0x25e054 as=0x2817eb http_func(c=0x2545ec)+0x6b /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/http.c:144 run_connection(c=0x2545ec)+0x18d /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/sched.c:427 func=0x51902 hc=0x280acc try_connection(c=0x2545ec)+0x82 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/sched.c:474 check_queue()+0x100 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/sched.c:539 c=0x2545ec cp=0x3 d=0x113388 dd=0x2545ec check_bottom_halves()+0x76 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/select.c:140 fn=0x7e651 data=0x0 bh=0x280acc check_timers()+0x70 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/select.c:190 interval=0x0 t=0x25dfa4 tt=0x1 select_loop(init=0x6b90b)+0x104 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/select.c:531 tm=0x0 tv=0x12c n=0x1 i=0x37 stbuf=0x0 main(argv=0x7fffefa4,argc=0x2)+0x41 /usr/andrey/src/links-ape/main.c:467 _main+0x26 /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/386/main9.s:12 acid: here's a snapshot of a different terminal that panicked: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/trace.gif and the kernel image that goes with it: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/9pcdisk.gz I am just assuming that the panic is triggered by the same bug in dns.c. Okamoto reported that Links doesn't panic his terminals with the dns fixed. hth, andrey --upas-favcvtvvmnigkcwskhmfvrcrut-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 07:48:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 07:48:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25375 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 07:48:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25371 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 07:48:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 07:48:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E603D19D78; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:48:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3090A19C9C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:48:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 597E219BFB; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 954E219A64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ500901ZAM0H@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:47:10 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.130]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ50077TZAKZY@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:47:10 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <002f01c3c6d5$a7f94210$82079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [9fans] VN inferno 4e: cdinstall.iso.gz (55 Mbytes) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:45:41 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) err, why is the size of the file some 28Mb? From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 08:01:19 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 08:01:19 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26022 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 08:01:19 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26018 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 08:01:18 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 08:01:18 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D062819C10; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:01:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0A8E19DE4; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:00:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3285019C10; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from collyer.net (cpu.collyer.net [63.192.14.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52BAF19B98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:59:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6359d44afc68fa478540ce5e808228cf@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu server and swap From: Geoff Collyer In-Reply-To: <86d6akygv3.fsf@gic.mteege.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:59:42 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) You might try setting *maxmem=268435456 in plan9.ini, and also recompile /sys/src/9/pc/memory.c after changing /sys/src/9/pc/memory.c:12 to #define MEMDEBUG 1 then rebuild 9pccpu and boot that kernel on your cpu server. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 08:04:25 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 08:04:25 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26041 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 08:04:24 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26037 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 08:04:24 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 08:04:24 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1C58719DE6; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:04:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4825D19DED; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:04:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9DCCA19CEB; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:03:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6894B19BFB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:02:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ60090100MFO@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:02:46 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.130]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ6007C700KZY@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:02:46 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] killing rogue processes To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <005c01c3c6d7$d5942530$82079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:01:18 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > lsof [ -?abChlnNOPRstUvVX ] [ -A A ] [ -c c ] [ +|-d d ] [ +|-D D ] [ +|-f > [cfgGn] ] [ -F [f] ] [ -g [s] ] [ -i [i] ] [ -k k ] [ +|-L [l] ] [ -m m ] > [ +|-M ] [ -o [o] ] [ -p s ] [ +| -r [t] ] [ -S [t] ] [ -T [t] ] [ -u s ] > [ +|-w ] [ -- ] [names] > > yessirree, I'm sure we want an lsof with all them purty switches. yeah, don't i know it. a decent /proc would have removed the need for it (in the '90s) and /proc existed back in '83 or '84 iirc. 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In-Reply-To: <0aa559de9725cfb6b932f570ff0a7f5a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp>:okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp's message of 16:33:55 Friday,19 December 2003 References: <0aa559de9725cfb6b932f570ff0a7f5a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:19:28 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,REFERENCES,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > I recommend you to have one cheep kfs machine dedicated only > for pull. I made such a silly mistake many times ago, and learned to > do that. $,2#: (B > What about a dump? -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 09:33:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 09:33:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29372 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 09:33:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29368 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 09:33:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 09:33:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6F59819CA1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:33:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7878919DC8; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:33:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 702E219D82; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:32:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A01D19CB2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBK0WJfK022018 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:32:21 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBK0WJIt006797 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:32:19 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBK0WId4001380 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:32:18 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] cpu server and swap In-Reply-To: <6359d44afc68fa478540ce5e808228cf@collyer.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:32:18 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) just a tidbit, I do know that the plan 9 memory sizing algorithm will fail badly with some chipsets. I doubt this is your problem, it's just interesting. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 10:21:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 10:21:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31420 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 10:21:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31415 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 10:21:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 10:21:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1397319A0C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:21:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43CC319C8F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:21:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4D3FA19C6A; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (unknown [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D67D19C14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D230E66B45; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:20:02 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Nielsen To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: cd ripping (was Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy)) Message-ID: <20031220012002.GI74278@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:20:02 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i ported libparanoia, which i was going to use with the native scsi library to write a wrapper similar to cdparanoia. as usual, paying work interfered, and i haven't finished it. pretty much all the other ripping software doesn't create an accurate image of the cd (including using cdfs and cp). also, (yes, i am being pedantic) converting to mp3 (or any other compression format) is called encoding. ripping is converting from the cd format to wav. for most users, none of what i have said matters, but for someone (like me) that is archiving a collection of cds, these issues matter. so solutions others have presented may be sufficient for most. :) On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:34:27PM +0000, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > speaking of audio, has anyone ported any mp3 ripping s/w to plan9. > i've got a zillion cds that would be great to be able to play under > plan 9 (and one of those usb audio devices). > > i guess the question is how much venti space do i want to sacrifice... -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 10:44:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 10:44:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32474 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 10:44:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32470 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 10:44:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 10:44:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0915419BFB; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9113819C8F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:44:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3905A19B99; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45ABA19BFB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:43:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <869201425c07870f4ab619a81690d833@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: cd ripping (was Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy)) In-Reply-To: <20031220012002.GI74278@cassie.foobarbaz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vqfeyagtmhkuagxybmohiqqugn" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:43:32 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vqfeyagtmhkuagxybmohiqqugn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just curious, what do you looking for that cdfs + cp doesn't give you? --upas-vqfeyagtmhkuagxybmohiqqugn Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 19 20:21:39 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Dec 19 20:21:36 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C357119CAB; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:21:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80AB319C47; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:21:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4D3FA19C6A; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:20:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (unknown [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D67D19C14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:20:04 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D230E66B45; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:20:02 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Nielsen To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: cd ripping (was Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy)) Message-ID: <20031220012002.GI74278@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <7a3a2112485051a557457c5617242ba7@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:20:02 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i ported libparanoia, which i was going to use with the native scsi library to write a wrapper similar to cdparanoia. as usual, paying work interfered, and i haven't finished it. pretty much all the other ripping software doesn't create an accurate image of the cd (including using cdfs and cp). also, (yes, i am being pedantic) converting to mp3 (or any other compression format) is called encoding. ripping is converting from the cd format to wav. for most users, none of what i have said matters, but for someone (like me) that is archiving a collection of cds, these issues matter. so solutions others have presented may be sufficient for most. :) On Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at 04:34:27PM +0000, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > speaking of audio, has anyone ported any mp3 ripping s/w to plan9. > i've got a zillion cds that would be great to be able to play under > plan 9 (and one of those usb audio devices). > > i guess the question is how much venti space do i want to sacrifice... -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin --upas-vqfeyagtmhkuagxybmohiqqugn-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 11:29:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 11:29:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2141 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 11:29:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2137 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 11:29:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 11:29:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4031319DF0; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:29:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1188A19C84; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:29:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CFD3319AD4; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:28:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (unknown [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24E8219BFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:27:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 87D3366B2C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:27:50 -0800 (PST) From: Christopher Nielsen To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: cd ripping (was Re: inferno (was Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy)) Message-ID: <20031220022750.GJ74278@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <20031220012002.GI74278@cassie.foobarbaz.net> <869201425c07870f4ab619a81690d833@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <869201425c07870f4ab619a81690d833@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:27:50 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) a way to generate a single image and cuesheet for a whole cd that, when used as the image for burning a cd, will produce an exact copy (or as close as possible) of the original cd. iirc (which i may not since it's been several months), cdfs assumes the tracks of the cd have a two-second pre-track gap that is not true of most live or mix cds. i know for certain that it writes in track-at-once mode, which introduces the two-second pre-track gap. the only way around that is to write in dao (disc-at-once) mode. i started modifying cdfs to handle this and also to write in dao (disc-at-once) mode. i got pretty far before i realised i needed to let the design percolate more before continuing. my initial idea for handling cuesheets was to make it a directory hierarchy; to create a cue sheet for a cd to burn, you would just create directories and files that would correspond to the cuesheet field names and place the desired values in a text file. without actually implementing it, i don't know if it would prove to be too clunky, though. the idea is to produce a suite of cd mastering tools for music production. i think it would be much more powerful and simpler than what's available for windows and macos. On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 08:43:32PM -0500, David Presotto wrote: > Just curious, what do you looking for that cdfs + cp doesn't > give you? -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 11:31:04 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 11:31:04 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2310 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 11:31:03 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2305 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 11:31:03 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 11:31:03 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C927019CAE; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:31:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2DAE19C8F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:30:41 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9CA8219CAC; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A898C19DE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBK2TSRR028190 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:29:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <90e261a38bba4488665a238d92ec829c@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:29:36 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > No the flavor of the week is a move to Windows servers with > users getting thin clients that connect to them. I'ld rather > write something that talks their thin client protocol (if only > I can figure out what it is). > I don't know how anyone can show a positive ROI for service/server development and operation in a Windows environment. The Windows market -- because of its high maintenance requirements -- has generated a huge support business ecosystem that benefits from its complexity and fragility. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 11:42:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 11:42:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2765 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 11:42:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2761 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 11:42:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 11:42:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2BCCA19DFD; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 149E819DF1; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:42:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1366119CAC; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DAB219D82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:41:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <743641843af91838fe16b4cdd9f4d003@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: <90e261a38bba4488665a238d92ec829c@centurytel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-blzytjjiyyrlxbeghjnoqirgrj" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:41:24 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-blzytjjiyyrlxbeghjnoqirgrj Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll tell you in a year how they make out. It's sure to be a wild ride, I'm looking forward to it. --upas-blzytjjiyyrlxbeghjnoqirgrj Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Fri Dec 19 21:30:57 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Fri Dec 19 21:30:55 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 498D819C9C; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:30:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2986019C3F; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:30:40 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9CA8219CAC; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A898C19DE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBK2TSRR028190 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 20:29:29 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <90e261a38bba4488665a238d92ec829c@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:29:36 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > No the flavor of the week is a move to Windows servers with > users getting thin clients that connect to them. I'ld rather > write something that talks their thin client protocol (if only > I can figure out what it is). > I don't know how anyone can show a positive ROI for service/server development and operation in a Windows environment. The Windows market -- because of its high maintenance requirements -- has generated a huge support business ecosystem that benefits from its complexity and fragility. --upas-blzytjjiyyrlxbeghjnoqirgrj-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 14:17:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 14:17:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9162 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 14:17:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9157 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 14:17:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 14:17:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 04C6119DE4; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23F1C19CDC; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:17:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6A9ED19ACD; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:16:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84EA919CD6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBK5GDRR029134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:16:13 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <13e41dd919d1992fc2a1cb20dd06c7de@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <743641843af91838fe16b4cdd9f4d003@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:16:20 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I'll tell you in a year how they make out. It's sure to > be a wild ride, I'm looking forward to it. I'll be more than a year. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 14:18:35 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 14:18:35 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9196 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 14:18:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9192 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 14:18:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 14:18:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 763A219DFA; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57D7619DE7; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:18:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9FDFC19CD6; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD9E419CCB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBK5GpRR000452 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:16:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <56a2faa27b020228835e32308bc0acb2@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:16:58 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>>it not be relatively easy (or at least, easier than it was) to rewrite >>>drawterm in limbo? > > i'd have thought it would be close to a shell script, > given some commands that roger has done to interact > with rio, that might (or might not) even be in the current distribution. > > much of drawterm is similar to a large subset of emu > (and supporting libraries). What about a VM for the simplest machine possible that can run Plan9? Add a C compiler for the architecture and then everyhting just runs. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 14:21:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 14:21:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9398 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 14:21:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9392 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 14:21:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 14:21:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7C09519DF6; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:21:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E58AB19DF2; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:21:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5260419CE1; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 702E919ACD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBK5KPRR007771 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:20:25 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <9d46719d6edb3397cc1ffe7f842e70a1@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <13e41dd919d1992fc2a1cb20dd06c7de@centurytel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:20:33 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> I'll tell you in a year how they make out. It's sure to >> be a wild ride, I'm looking forward to it. > > I'll be more than a year. It will be more than a year. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 17:22:45 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 17:22:45 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16711 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 17:22:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16707 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 17:22:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 17:22:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0854519CC1; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:22:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7131519CBB; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:22:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1FFC319CB1; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:21:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CD5819B98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:21:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VN inferno 4e: cdinstall.iso.gz (55 Mbytes) From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <002f01c3c6d5$a7f94210$82079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:20:01 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>err, why is the size of the file some 28Mb? because i believed some unix software, and it did the same thing again just now. 55678900 bytes sent in 2453.40 seconds (22.16 KB/s) (after only 12Mb this time) ``with many eyes, bugs are shallow.'' rot. i'll try again From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 21:25:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 21:25:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24351 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 21:25:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24347 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 21:25:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 21:25:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 271E619BAA; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:25:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 895E219CAD; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:25:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 109EC19B8C; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from gsyc.escet.urjc.es (gsyc064.dat.escet.urjc.es [193.147.71.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D427219A84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from nanonic.hilbert.space (12.Red-80-26-99.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.26.99.12]) by gsyc.escet.urjc.es (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:24:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: gsyc.escet.urjc.es: Host 12.Red-80-26-99.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.26.99.12] claimed to be nanonic.hilbert.space Received: from paurea by nanonic.hilbert.space with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AXg97-0000iD-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:23:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16356.16212.761743.17844@nanonic.hilbert.space> From: paurea@gsyc.escet.urjc.es To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: <56a2faa27b020228835e32308bc0acb2@centurytel.net>:Skip Tavakkolian's message of 22:16:58 Friday,19 December 2003 References: <56a2faa27b020228835e32308bc0acb2@centurytel.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:23:48 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_VM,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Skip Tavakkolian writes: > What about a VM for the simplest machine possible that can run Plan9? > Add a C compiler for the architecture and then everyhting just runs. Vmware does that job for the moment :-). -- Saludos, Gorka "Curiosity sKilled the cat" From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 21:43:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 21:43:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24890 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 21:43:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24886 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 21:43:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 21:43:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DBCE419CBD; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:43:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42DAA19CC2; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:43:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9A4FD19C33; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D20E19BD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:42:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6041acc575ef487dea8e6c664cc75f21@caldo.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <56a2faa27b020228835e32308bc0acb2@centurytel.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-cetkpkybyamgrilkuzeshsfomy" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:40:42 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-cetkpkybyamgrilkuzeshsfomy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit might as well use/do an emulator for an existing architecture that's reasonably straightforward, such as MIPS (perhaps with simpler `kernel mode' interfaces). unfortunately, you'd still need to do virtual devices and those would need to turn round and invoke the underlying systems's primitives, to access graphics and files for instance, so it's not clear that it simplifies things much. --upas-cetkpkybyamgrilkuzeshsfomy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1AXZVZ-0000Gv-4T; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:02:20 +0000 Received: from [130.203.4.6] (helo=mail.cse.psu.edu) by punt-3.mail.demon.net with esmtp id 1AXZVZ-0000Gv-4T for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 05:18:33 +0000 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 763A219DFA; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:18:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57D7619DE7; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:18:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9FDFC19CD6; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD9E419CCB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 00:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBK5GpRR000452 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:16:51 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <56a2faa27b020228835e32308bc0acb2@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:16:58 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >>>it not be relatively easy (or at least, easier than it was) to rewrite >>>drawterm in limbo? > > i'd have thought it would be close to a shell script, > given some commands that roger has done to interact > with rio, that might (or might not) even be in the current distribution. > > much of drawterm is similar to a large subset of emu > (and supporting libraries). What about a VM for the simplest machine possible that can run Plan9? Add a C compiler for the architecture and then everyhting just runs. --upas-cetkpkybyamgrilkuzeshsfomy-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 20 22:20:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 20 22:20:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26035 invoked by uid 1020); 20 Dec 2003 22:20:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26031 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2003 22:20:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 20 Dec 2003 22:20:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BDA1D19CC4; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:20:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A26119CC7; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:20:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 01CF219CAB; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (node-40245942.bos.onnet.us.uu.net [64.36.89.66]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7646219C47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AX9cw-000FpO-FC for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:40:26 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:40:42." <6041acc575ef487dea8e6c664cc75f21@caldo.demon.co.uk> From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <60844.1071798023.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:40:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > What about a VM for the simplest machine possible that can run Plan9? > Add a C compiler for the architecture and then everyhting just runs. crawls, perhaps. 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Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <16356.16212.761743.17844@nanonic.hilbert.space> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:12:14 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> What about a VM for the simplest machine possible that can run Plan9? > > Add a C compiler for the architecture and then everyhting just runs. > > Vmware does that job for the moment :-). It doesn't need everything in VMware. Something simpler. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 21 00:18:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 21 00:18:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29496 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2003 00:18:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29492 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 00:18:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 00:18:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6806E19CD5; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C82DD19CC6; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:18:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6897E19C5E; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:17:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84ED919C8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:17:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBKFHbRR025458 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:17:38 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <0da2204741c1ef4ed3a1ba5a52bd7a89@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 08:17:47 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > crawls, perhaps. ha! ☺ Yes, but then the requirement to run on faster and faster machines puts in good standing with Intel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 21 00:57:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 21 00:57:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30809 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2003 00:57:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30805 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 00:57:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 00:57:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D29E719C47; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 531CC19CEC; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:57:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1293B19C8D; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A52E419C8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ700I01AX5RU@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:55:53 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.128]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ700I3FAWSK0@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:55:53 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <023601c3c765$5a2b5740$82079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <5421b341623e46ebc95bf909d5fe0c87@centurytel.net> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 02:54:08 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > It doesn't need everything in VMware. Something simpler. Boris the Blade: Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it does not work you can always hit him with it. ,x/[Hh]eavy/c/simple/ ,x/hit him with/c/debug/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 21 02:02:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 21 02:02:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 303 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2003 02:02:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32766 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 02:02:34 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 02:02:34 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DDBB719BEC; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7408E19CEC; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:02:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 42EF219C21; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6680319C89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBKH1XRR010272 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:01:34 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy From: "Skip Tavakkolian" In-Reply-To: <023601c3c765$5a2b5740$82079486@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:01:43 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) What if the VM presented some things at a higher level, not devices but filesystems. Leaving authentication aside, on the kernel side, they would look like foreign filesystem imported at boot. With well defined interfaces one could add new filesystems to the VM by adding a dll; not much different than what is done in drawterm anyway. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 21 03:49:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 21 03:49:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3841 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2003 03:49:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3837 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 03:49:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 03:49:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1CBA719CD9; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D861119B5B; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:49:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CB01F19CB6; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:48:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from bache.ece.cmu.edu (BACHE.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.129.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B4C619BC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:48:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix, from userid 953) id 59C3582; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:48:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.2.76.175] (MUNG.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.76.175]) by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB9B17C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:47:50 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <6041acc575ef487dea8e6c664cc75f21@caldo.demon.co.uk> References: <6041acc575ef487dea8e6c664cc75f21@caldo.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <02C46AAF-331D-11D8-8047-000A95C53D8A@ece.cmu.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: phillip stanley-marbell Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 13:47:50 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I recently (yesterday) got most of the inferno/utils to compile for a device (a second VM for inferno, models Hitachi SH3) that i did a few years ago. The obvious neat thing is that these C programs can do things like draw on the screen via /dev/draw. This means I now have [01258k][acl] which run over inferno. I currently build the device into the Windows, MacOS and Linux emu binaries. Integration into a native kernel is next (I had some issues when i originally tried a few years ago, and lost interest). It will be nice to have a native inferno that can build itself. There are still a few rough edges i need to clear up, and I'm obviously doing this for reasons best understood by myself. The speed is not that great (currently about 10 MIPS on a P4 1GHz), but there are ways to get almost an order of magnitude speed improvement. I have a few other unix programs already running on it: bzip2, gzip, mpeg2enc, gcc (actually, just cc1). The source for the device has been on my web page for a while, I just recently upgraded it to fit into inferno4e. cheers, pip On Dec 20, 2003, at 7:40 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > might as well use/do an emulator for an existing architecture that's > reasonably straightforward, such as MIPS (perhaps with simpler > `kernel mode' interfaces). unfortunately, you'd still need to do > virtual devices and those would need to turn round and invoke > the underlying systems's primitives, to access graphics and files for > instance, > so it's not clear that it simplifies things much. > > From: "Skip Tavakkolian" > Date: December 20, 2003 1:16:58 AM EST > To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > Subject: Re: Drawterm and Inferno? Was: [9fans] fortune-worthy > Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu > > >>>> it not be relatively easy (or at least, easier than it was) to >>>> rewrite >>>> drawterm in limbo? >> >> i'd have thought it would be close to a shell script, >> given some commands that roger has done to interact >> with rio, that might (or might not) even be in the current >> distribution. >> >> much of drawterm is similar to a large subset of emu >> (and supporting libraries). > > What about a VM for the simplest machine possible that can run Plan9? > Add a C compiler for the architecture and then everyhting just runs. > From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 21 09:45:46 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 21 09:45:46 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17601 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2003 09:45:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17597 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 09:45:44 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 09:45:44 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D58A819C9C; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D81B19C8B; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:45:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9A18F19A86; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:44:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E94A19C4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:44:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ700A01ZDK5E@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:44:09 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.131]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ7006BNZDJTQ@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:44:08 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] VN inferno 4e: cdinstall.iso.gz (55 Mbytes) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <027a01c3c7af$250143f0$82079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <017601c3c759$f96023b0$82079486@SOMA> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:42:32 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) thanks to charles it got fixed (some horrible http cache problem). so i hgot (sic) it to NY and then ftpfs'd it to CA. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 21 22:47:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 21 22:47:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15213 invoked by uid 1020); 21 Dec 2003 22:47:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15202 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2003 22:47:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 22:47:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 758E919C01; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19069199B9; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:47:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 860A119C01; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:46:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend-1.cgpmail.ua.pt (mail.ua.pt [193.136.80.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CCC1199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:46:47 -0500 (EST) X-UA-Spam: No X-UA-Spam-Status: hits=-4.8 required=5.0 X-UA-Spam-Report: BAYES_00 RCVD_IN_SORBS Received: from [213.13.227.28] (account a27621@alunos.det.ua.pt HELO innerghost.net) by frontend-1.cgpmail.ua.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 14958136 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:46:43 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE5A442.3060202@innerghost.net> From: Hugo Santos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] simple keyboard question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:46:42 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) How may i change the keymap in plan9? I wish to use Dvorak. I browsed through some man pages but found no information. Hugo Santos From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 02:07:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 02:07:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22528 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 02:07:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22524 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 02:07:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 02:07:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E533319C34; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D7D719C2E; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:07:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C8FFD19BA6; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.powernetpoker.com (mail1.powernetpoker.com [200.46.10.132]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9633E19A93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer01.geekmail.cc (dictum-ext.geekmail.cc [65.39.243.230]) by mail1.powernetpoker.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBLH6gH09770 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:06:43 -0500 X-Envelope-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mightycheese.com (adsl-67-122-69-203.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.122.69.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailer01.geekmail.cc (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBLH6fE0013400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:06:41 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3FE5A442.3060202@innerghost.net> Message-Id: <394F3AEC-33D8-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:07:57 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,RCVD_IN_NJABL,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) funny thing about dvorak keyboards. they're based on bad science. mr dvorak knew what we wanted and fudged his data until he got it, but it was all bogus. on the other had, the qwerty keyboard actually was tested quite a bit in the early days and came out on top. dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards. the only good argument i've heard for using them is that, during the transition period, you tend to be a very slow typist and this may alleviate RSI. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 02:11:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 02:11:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 22745 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 02:11:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 22741 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 02:11:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 02:11:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C9EAA19CAA; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B4C219C74; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:11:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AE59F19BA6; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:10:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7244A19BB2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:10:46 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hBLH8slv018195 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:08:55 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD4@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] simple keyboard question Thread-Index: AcPH5Q783ysub3yuRja3SncnZ5GplQAABxcg From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:10:41 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards. > the only good argument i've heard for using them is that, during the > transition period, you tend to be a very slow typist and this may > alleviate RSI. That Dvorak's idea was flawed, anyone can tell. But qwerty was designed to _slow the typist down_.=20 Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 02:23:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 02:23:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23148 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 02:23:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23136 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 02:23:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 02:23:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AA94319CB1; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:23:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14F8B19C6C; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:23:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 11C9119BBF; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:22:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.powernetpoker.com (mail1.powernetpoker.com [200.46.10.132]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 59E4C199E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:22:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailer01.geekmail.cc (dictum-ext.geekmail.cc [65.39.243.230]) by mail1.powernetpoker.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBLHMTH09805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:22:29 -0500 X-Envelope-To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mightycheese.com (adsl-67-122-69-203.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.122.69.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailer01.geekmail.cc (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBLHLRE0013643 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:22:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD4@black.aprote.com> Message-Id: <49EA6764-33DA-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:22:44 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > That Dvorak's idea was flawed, anyone can tell. But qwerty was designed > to _slow the typist down_. another myth, just not true. look up the story at google.com (try dvorak keyboard fudged as a starter). -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 02:39:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 02:39:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23622 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 02:39:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23618 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 02:39:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 02:39:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0D26519CBF; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:39:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A008C19C71; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:39:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA69B19B62; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:38:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8147719995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:38:30 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hBLHafcR018417 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:36:41 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD5@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] simple keyboard question Thread-Index: AcPH5zx1+WyURiAPSkaYuDes3g8vYAAAZdHA From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:38:27 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > another myth, just not true. look up the story at google.com (try > dvorak keyboard fudged > as a starter). Different web pages tell different stories. But if experiments show that qwerty typists are nowadays faster than dvorak's - you can't argue with facts. Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 02:44:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 02:44:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23743 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 02:44:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23739 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 02:44:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 02:44:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E54D319CDB; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:44:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.16.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A79919CBE; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:44:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 40D7919C2E; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:43:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D2CB19B62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:42:51 -0500 (EST) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id hBLHf24c018451 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:41:02 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD6@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] simple keyboard question Thread-Index: AcPH5zx1+WyURiAPSkaYuDes3g8vYAAAlTQg From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:42:48 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) but the google lookup was nevertheless useful. i didn't know before that the typewriter was marketed by remington (of the rifle fame) Tiit From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 06:01:46 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 06:01:46 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29971 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 06:01:45 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29967 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:01:44 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:01:44 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AF1A619B1B; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:01:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B461619AA9; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:01:16 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8655519A7A; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from xserve.cibernet.com (xserve.cibernet.com [66.134.100.75]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 677AD19ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:00:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.240.123] (unknown [10.1.240.123]) by xserve.cibernet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 505BF26711F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:00:33 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <394F3AEC-33D8-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> References: <394F3AEC-33D8-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Baldwin To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: [9fans] dvorak Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:00:25 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > funny thing about dvorak keyboards. they're based on bad science. > mr dvorak knew what we wanted and fudged his data until he got it, > but it was all bogus. on the other had, the qwerty keyboard actually > was tested quite a bit in the early days and came out on top. yes that's one point of view promulgated by liebowitz and margolis which has gotten repeated far and wide. theirs isn't the only one: http://www.dvorak-keyboard.com/dvorak2.html http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/dissent.html > dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards. > the only good argument i've heard for using them is that, during the > transition period, you tend to be a very slow typist and this may > alleviate RSI. well, it seems that the fastest typist in the world uses a dvorak keyboard, so perhaps there is something to it: http://sominfo.syr.edu/facstaff/dvorak/blackburn.html then again, maybe that's just propaganda. for those that play music keyboards especially and are used to touch typing, it's not such a big deal to switch. i was starting to feel some strain in my wrists and that went away, and i do know a couple who really did have RSI and switched because of it. eh, for me i was just curious. i do find it amusing to watch people try to type on my dvorakized keyboard however, so that's a benefit. anybody know if you can pop the keycaps on the new powerbooks? i did on my old one. now that's even more fun: people look at the keyboard and at first often don't notice, but then it starts to sink in that Something is Very Different when they try to type. anyway, i am not sure how well attached the keycaps are on the new ones and i don't want to damage it. i touch type so it's just for the aesthetics. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 06:10:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 06:10:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30219 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 06:10:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30215 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:10:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:10:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F002519B3A; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AAEE19ADD; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:10:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0264619ADC; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F8FC19A7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBLL93bV008854 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id hBLL92l18497 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200312212109.hBLL92l18497@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:42:48 +0200." <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD6@black.aprote.com> From: Dan Cross Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:09:02 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) "Tiit Lankots" writes: > > but the google lookup was nevertheless useful. > i didn't know before that the typewriter was marketed > by remington (of the rifle fame) They had their fingers in many pies, including computers! Does anyone remember Remington-Rand Univac? - Dan C. (ps- Homage to Boyd: The M-40 sniper rifle is pretty good, but I'd just as soon take a Sprinfield M1A with a heavy barrel.) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 06:15:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 06:15:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30376 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 06:15:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30372 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:15:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:15:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 59FDC19B56; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:15:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C527019B43; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:15:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 689A219A7A; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:15:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from idoru.mine.nu (cpc1-cdif2-3-0-cust106.cdif.cable.ntl.com [80.4.8.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BEC0199DC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:14:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.4.0.2] (helo=hellooperator.net) by idoru.mine.nu with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYAuO-0006RA-Kz for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:14:40 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE60D40.2090604@hellooperator.net> From: Rasputin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question References: <394F3AEC-33D8-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> In-Reply-To: <394F3AEC-33D8-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:14:40 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Rob Pike wrote: > funny thing about dvorak keyboards. they're based on bad science. > mr dvorak knew what we wanted and fudged his data until he got it, > but it was all bogus. on the other had, the qwerty keyboard actually > was tested quite a bit in the early days and came out on top. > > dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards. > the only good argument i've heard for using them is that, during the > transition period, you tend to be a very slow typist and this may > alleviate RSI. Speaking as someone with RSI I'd disagree.The layout does seem to minimise movement and overstretching of the fingers. YMMV, of course. -- Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 06:26:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 06:26:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30592 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 06:26:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30588 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:26:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:26:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8D1FC19B49; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8600A19B43; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:26:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4699C19A7A; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20D4B199DC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ900101KU5WE@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:25:18 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.136]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ9000ACKTS2W@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:25:17 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <003c01c3c85c$8a437910$88079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD4@black.aprote.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:23:37 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > That Dvorak's idea was flawed, anyone can tell. But qwerty was designed > to _slow the typist down_. that's one theory, but i'm not sure anybody knows why (rob?). anyway i can hunt 'n peck at 120wpm so i don't really need to go any faster, but if i do i'll use a _well designed_ mouse interface. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 06:26:59 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 06:26:59 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 30599 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 06:26:58 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 30595 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:26:58 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:26:58 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3D7D419B48; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 86B1D19A93; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:26:30 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1DD9F19AB9; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:25:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F275919A7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:25:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ900101KTUWA@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:25:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.136]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ9000ACKTS2W@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:25:06 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <003601c3c85c$85b405e0$88079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <394F3AEC-33D8-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:20:49 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > dvoraks are no more efficient for typists than qwerty keyboards. i like US qwerty. great to write code on. could be better, but i'll take US qwerty if i can get it. writing code on azerty is no fun, although not so bad once you've installed sam; give me the mouse anyday -- keyboard shortcuts are indicative of a bad mouse interface. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 06:43:45 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 06:43:45 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31028 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 06:43:44 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31024 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:43:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:43:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 77DA619A97; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:43:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAB3119B1D; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:43:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 80DE319A97; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BE6419B20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:42:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ900201LLWFT@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:41:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.161]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ9000GTLLT2W@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:41:56 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <007401c3c85e$dee338a0$88079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <200312212109.hBLL92l18497@augusta.math.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:31:12 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > They had their fingers in many pies, including computers! Does anyone > remember Remington-Rand Univac? yup > (ps- Homage to Boyd: The M-40 sniper rifle is pretty good, but I'd just > as soon take a Sprinfield M1A with a heavy barrel.) been reading my SEAL Sniper Training Program :) even in 'nam the M-40 was the weapon of choice. but, i think i'll stick to M9's. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 06:43:49 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 06:43:49 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31037 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 06:43:49 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31033 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 06:43:48 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 06:43:48 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6864619B5A; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:43:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00F5019B61; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:43:27 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9F5EB19B58; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:42:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDE1619A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQ900201LLUFL@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:41:55 +1100 (EST) Received: from SOMA ([134.148.7.161]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with SMTP id <0HQ9000GTLLT2W@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:41:54 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <007301c3c85e$de073080$88079486@SOMA> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD6@black.aprote.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:25:11 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > by remington (of the rifle fame) yeah, pass me my remington 700 with sniper scope [M-40]. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 07:15:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 07:15:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 32083 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 07:15:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 32079 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 07:15:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 07:15:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4521E19A5E; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:15:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20F4819B4C; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:15:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DF1DE19ADD; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (mail.ua.pt [193.136.80.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF79719A5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:14:27 -0500 (EST) X-UA-Spam: No X-UA-Spam-Status: hits=-4.8 required=5.0 X-UA-Spam-Report: BAYES_00 RCVD_IN_SORBS Received: from [213.13.227.115] (account a27621@alunos.det.ua.pt HELO users.sourceforge.net) by frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 14064103 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:14:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE61B3C.3040706@users.sourceforge.net> From: Hugo Santos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question References: <3FE5A442.3060202@innerghost.net> In-Reply-To: <3FE5A442.3060202@innerghost.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:14:20 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hugo Santos wrote: > How may i change the keymap in plan9? I wish to use Dvorak. I browsed > through some man pages but found no information. > > Hugo Santos > Well, thanks for all your opinions about dvorak, but the main question wasnt answered, how do i change the keymap? :-) About dvorak, to me, it seems a bit more logical to use and easier on the hands than qwerty. In overall, i think it is nicer. HS From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 10:48:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 10:48:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 10387 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 10:48:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 10383 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 10:48:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 10:48:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 624CD19B67; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C73A019B63; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:48:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6DFC919999; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:47:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 227CC19B61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:47:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD6@black.aprote.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-uwjicflmjogrwyalmysqwovqpm" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:46:16 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-uwjicflmjogrwyalmysqwovqpm Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit same principle, as often used by standards committees: you just keep firing (typing) away until they fall down --upas-uwjicflmjogrwyalmysqwovqpm Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from punt-3.mail.demon.net by mailstore for forsyth@caldo.demon.co.uk id 1AY7d7-0003S8-Jm; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [9fans] simple keyboard question Message-ID: <81132473206F3A46A72BD6116E1A06AE479CD6@black.aprote.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] simple keyboard question Thread-Index: AcPH5zx1+WyURiAPSkaYuDes3g8vYAAAlTQg From: "Tiit Lankots" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:42:48 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) but the google lookup was nevertheless useful. i didn't know before that the typewriter was marketed by remington (of the rifle fame) Tiit --upas-uwjicflmjogrwyalmysqwovqpm-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 11:41:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 11:41:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13900 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 11:41:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13896 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 11:41:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 11:41:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4A2C819AE2; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:41:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.6.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E01FB19B91; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:41:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D747D19B14; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:40:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40F5D19B44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:40:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4df9e33018be814cba84951cba97c152@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: hugo_santos@users.sourceforge.net, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:40:13 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Lots of ways over time. The quick and dirty one is just change the scan code mappings in the kernel's kbd.c. Better you than me since you've got the keyboard. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 12:50:37 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 12:50:37 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 18065 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 12:50:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 18060 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 12:50:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 12:50:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D190A19BBC; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.30.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C8EB19BC2; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:50:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0D4DC19ABD; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from 138039.vserver.de (138039.vserver.de [62.75.138.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE64219A66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:49:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pc-20h.LANPARTY (p50911BBC.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.27.188]) (authenticated) by 138039.vserver.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBM3ieA20804 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:44:40 +0100 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: <20031222054917.77136b50.20h@r-36.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8a (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] bitsy partitions Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 05:49:17 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_NJABL,X_NJABL_DIALUP version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) There is a slight difference between the size of ramdisk in the wiki and what the kernel expects: app% diff paq.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/9/boot/paq.c 11c11 < "add ramdisk 0x020000 0x080000", --- > "add ramdisk 0x020000 0x060000", The paqdisk doesn't seem to fit into what the kernel expects, so I changed it to 0x080000. 20h From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 15:21:45 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; 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Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:19:43 -0800 Message-ID: <537e0437b6e2feff6539786cac9c5ed3@google.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Rob 'Commander' Pike" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-pegctnkbzazcwafrngbeszbghf" Subject: [9fans] file name completion Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:19:43 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-pegctnkbzazcwafrngbeszbghf Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit living with a foot in two worlds, i finally broke down and implemented file name completion for rio and acme. the sources are attached as a gzipped bundle. acme/look.c is just a bug fix that's already on sources. i started on doing sam too and i mean to finish it but it will take a while and may involve bumping the protocol version number, which is annoying. i've been using it for about a week and am starting to like it, but i'm far from convinced my solutions are the right ones, especially with regard to user interface. also, i think the rules about how to complete should be decided by the plumber, but i don't have that figured out, either. since it's done in a library, however, if i do figure it out it will be very easy to slide in: just update the library. it's done in the window system, which makes for some nice properties such as uniformity and some less nice ones such as failure when the namespaces differ. but plumbing and other things break down in that case, anyway, and if file name completion doesn't work you can always just type the file name, so this doesn't bother me much. yet. here's how it works: type control-F or the Insert key (Ins on some keyboards) and the window manager will push the file name you're typing as far as it unambiguously can. if it can't do anything unambiguously, it will present a list of options, either just before the host point (in rio) or in the default Errors window (in acme). keep that acme window up so it doesn't pop up and steal the mouse; if you're like me, you'll get use to this fast. but maybe there's a better way. (the rio trick doesn't work because there's no host point in acme.) in the bundle i've included updated and new man pages, a new library (libcomplete) and header file (complete.h) and small updates to acme and rio. if you're up to date with respect to sources, they should plug in and compile. i'm not sure this is worthwhile for plan 9 alone, but boy does it make life easier across that 9fs boundary. one known issue is that nothing is done for blanks in file names. when i see one i care about, i'll address the issue. it's trivial - just quote the blank in libcomplete. one more thing, only partially related: this package also makes left and right arrow keys move the selection left and right, makes Page Up and Page Down keys work like up and down arrow, and Home and End keys move to the beginning or end of the window, without changing the selection. 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Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 15:45:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5E1FE19BD5; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:45:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD8B219BC2; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:45:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C16751998A; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [137.186.244.103]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B419519B81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:44:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <537e0437b6e2feff6539786cac9c5ed3@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:48:04 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The plumber, it seems, is emerging as Plan 9's secret weapon. One that may make the system compelling to others again... A nice exercise in its usefulness is the breaking down of a huge, monolithic program such as Links into smaller parts tied together by plumbing -- from an all-encompassing piece of code that knows how to handle everything from rendering html tables to handling ftp and samba protocols, into a simple html renderer that works with the plumber to give out work to whichever external program is best suited for the job (and not having to know anything about them)... I have found that for day-to-day stuff, the plumber is one of the most-often used Plan 9 "features" that do not exist anywhere else, save Inferno. Second only to private namespaces. andrey ps: this email prompted by the "how appropriate to put filename completion outside the shell, wouldn't have thought of it in a lifetime" foundation :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 17:04:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 17:04:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2530 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 17:04:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2526 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 17:04:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 17:04:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0F74E19BC2; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:04:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.23.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4D3519BC1; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:04:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A575819BA6; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8E1F19B73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:03:01 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] Plan 9 bleached! Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] Plan 9 bleached! Thread-Index: AcPGdG/NspBGkjx0Rg2EX2JSrOpCjQB7QJnw From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:02:59 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > It looks fine on my greyscale monitor :) Thanks ;-) However, seriously, colours should feel much finer when observed against = neutral bkgrd, shouldn't they? I do a lot of color photography tuning = still on XP :((( what causes headache to me... Thanks for reaction, ++pac. PS: PF 2004! From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 17:21:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 17:21:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3577 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 17:21:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3572 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 17:21:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 17:21:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2D79119BA6; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE39319BC1; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:21:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 660AA19ADC; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:20:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BDB519AB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:20:24 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] file name completion Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] file name completion Thread-Index: AcPIVzYyHkGFrnCkS8m62YJzRohVPgADPdxg From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:20:24 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > A nice exercise in its usefulness is the breaking down of a huge, = monolithic program such > as Links into smaller parts tied together by plumbing -- from an = all-encompassing piece of > code that knows how to handle everything from rendering html tables = to handling ftp and > samba protocols, into a simple html renderer that works with the = plumber to give out work > to whichever external program is best suited for the job (and not = having to know anything > about them)... > I have found that for day-to-day stuff, the plumber is one of the = most-often used Plan 9 > "features" that do not exist anywhere else, save Inferno. Second = only to private namespaces. That's it! ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 17:27:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 17:27:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3861 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 17:27:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3856 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 17:27:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 17:27:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B814419BD4; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:27:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71A5F19B8C; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:27:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3539119B61; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:26:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from t40.swtch.com (pcp02328361pcs.summit01.nj.comcast.net [68.84.56.226]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5A6B19AB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:26:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=t40.swtch.com) by t40.swtch.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AYLO1-0002e7-JL for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:25:57 -0500 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 bleached! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:02:59 +0100." From: "Russ Cox" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <10173.1072081557.1@t40.swtch.com> Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:25:57 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > However, seriously, colours should feel much finer when observed against = > neutral bkgrd, shouldn't they? I do a lot of color photography tuning = > still on XP :((( what causes headache to me... the plan 9 colors are already quite muted in comparison to windows xp. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 17:44:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 17:44:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4911 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 17:44:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4907 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 17:44:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 17:44:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6535D19ADD; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0BDC19AFD; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:44:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CEBAC19ACB; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:43:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 682AA199FD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:43:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <3FE61B3C.3040706@users.sourceforge.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-nuvyzgljfunkmslaaunzynazgp" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:43:09 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-nuvyzgljfunkmslaaunzynazgp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Copy usbhid from /n/sources/nemo (see a mail to the list about this), then you'd have to edit a translation table (map) for dvorak. Despite its name, usbhid handles also the cons(3) keyboard just to translate runes to adapt to your key map. --upas-nuvyzgljfunkmslaaunzynazgp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Sun Dec 21 23:15:44 MET 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6663019AD5; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:15:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20F4819B4C; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:15:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DF1DE19ADD; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:14:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (mail.ua.pt [193.136.80.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF79719A5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:14:27 -0500 (EST) X-UA-Spam: No X-UA-Spam-Status: hits=-4.8 required=5.0 X-UA-Spam-Report: BAYES_00 RCVD_IN_SORBS Received: from [213.13.227.115] (account a27621@alunos.det.ua.pt HELO users.sourceforge.net) by frontend-2.cgpmail.ua.pt (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 14064103 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:14:22 +0000 Message-ID: <3FE61B3C.3040706@users.sourceforge.net> From: Hugo Santos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] simple keyboard question References: <3FE5A442.3060202@innerghost.net> In-Reply-To: <3FE5A442.3060202@innerghost.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:14:20 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hugo Santos wrote: > How may i change the keymap in plan9? I wish to use Dvorak. I browsed > through some man pages but found no information. > > Hugo Santos > Well, thanks for all your opinions about dvorak, but the main question wasnt answered, how do i change the keymap? :-) About dvorak, to me, it seems a bit more logical to use and easier on the hands than qwerty. In overall, i think it is nicer. HS --upas-nuvyzgljfunkmslaaunzynazgp-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 17:50:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 17:50:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5161 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 17:50:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5157 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 17:50:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 17:50:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F27CD19A40; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DD7B19B11; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:50:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 186151998A; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:49:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B9AF199D4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 03:49:46 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: [9fans] Plan 9 bleached! Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] Plan 9 bleached! Thread-Index: AcPIZXTGXOe5sWeJTVaYp8bItsTJcgAAnOTA From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:49:45 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > > However, seriously, colours should feel much finer when observed=20 > > against =3D neutral bkgrd, shouldn't they? I do a lot of color=20 > > photography tuning =3D still on XP :((( what causes headache to = me... > the plan 9 colors are already quite muted in > comparison to windows xp. =20 agree. just my personal preference. no insolence. big THANKYOU to all = plan9people. indeed. i'm proud that plan9 is my main (and, once hopefully the = only)environment. ++pac. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 18:22:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 18:22:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6766 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 18:22:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6762 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 18:22:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 18:22:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D712919B66; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:22:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DE6119B33; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:22:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0F0B919A78; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D93B319ADC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:21:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <86edc745a58824d4e0b8191070a06040@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] me silly idiot! From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <16355.38288.779418.206859@nanonic.hilbert.space> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:16:50 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > What about a dump? Dump can solve some part, however, when we edit sources offten, it'd not be a better way. I still recomend to have a cheap kfs machine dedicated only to pull the sources. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 18:58:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 18:58:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8379 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 18:58:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8375 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 18:58:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 18:58:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BBDE119C0F; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:58:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B04F19BDA; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:58:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 35CB919B8C; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A12A19B2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1AYMkr-0007ez-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:53:37 +0000 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Jason Knight Message-ID: Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Subject: [9fans] Net install fail Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:53:32 GMT X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) During the installation process, when it tries to download the plan9.iso.bz2 package, it doesn't seem to work. There is no activity on the Ethernet monitor, and no progress bar. I can ping it from other systems on the network, so I think it might be a problem with DNS, if it uses a hostname to download the package. I was not given an option to set a DNS server during the install. After a while it stops trying to enters the mountdis task. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 18:58:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 18:58:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8387 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 18:58:48 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8383 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 18:58:47 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 18:58:47 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8956419C17; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AF6F19BDE; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:58:28 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F33A619A8E; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:57:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.MCLNVA23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4FFE19B8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:56:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0113f1446c06f21032696bab382d7b65@9srv.net> From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:48:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) // i do find it amusing to watch people try // to type on my dvorakized keyboard however, so that's a benefit. i second that. "click, click, click... hey, wait a minute..." it's also much fun to set the system back to qwerty and have the keycaps bear no relationship to what shows up on the screen... still, what i really want is a set of keycaps for my powerbook with *nothing* printed on them. i used to have this great old spring-action IBM keyboard where they keycaps were actual *caps* that sat on top of the keys. i had them all in a plastic baggie next to my monitor. still my favorite keyboard ever, except for the size. loudest one i've seen. ア From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 20:41:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 20:41:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12293 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 20:41:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12289 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 20:41:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 20:41:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EA9DA19C11; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.76.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD56119BF7; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:41:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 35D6D199E8; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:40:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from lavoro.home.cs.york.ac.uk (public1-york1-5-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EBA919ADA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 06:40:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] file name completion From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:38:59 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > A nice exercise in its usefulness is the breaking down of a huge, monolithic program such > as Links into smaller parts tied together by plumbing -- from an all-encompassing piece of > code that knows how to handle everything from rendering html tables to handling ftp and > samba protocols, into a simple html renderer that works with the plumber to give out work > to whichever external program is best suited for the job (and not having to know anything > about them)... it would be nice if that were possible but it's the interaction between javascript and html rendering, at many and seemingly arbitrary points, that complicates browsers, even as regards interaction with the transport protocols (fortunately less so, so that those can indeed be handled in a more modular way). for instance, javascript has an interface to the state of the renderer. conversely, and perhaps even worse, the renderer implementation needs to provide the sort of state that the javascript interface expects, which further limits design and implementation freedom. actually, there are several interfaces because different browsers historically gave javascript access to state that their implementations happened to provide, which changed from browser to browser. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 22 23:22:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 22 23:22:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17263 invoked by uid 1020); 22 Dec 2003 23:22:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17259 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2003 23:22:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 22 Dec 2003 23:22:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5856719B23; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:22:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDDCA19BDD; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:22:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 65FFC19B0F; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:21:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from edsac.borf.com (borf.com [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38FDA19B88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:21:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <2a716c34372c96c652082e7bbd63b641@borf.com> From: Brantley Coile To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak In-Reply-To: <0113f1446c06f21032696bab382d7b65@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:21:42 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >it's also much fun to set the system back to qwerty and have the >keycaps bear no relationship to what shows up on the screen... I helped a friend debug a program that worked while he was sitting down, but didn't while he was standing up. We spend about 30 minutes puzzing over this until I noticed that someone has swapped two of his key caps. While he was sitting he touch typed and while he was standing he was hunting and pecking, and hitting the incorrect key. I don't think we were the first to have this mysterious bug. Brantley From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 00:33:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 00:33:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 19509 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 00:33:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 19505 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 00:33:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 00:33:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4351A19C5B; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:33:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AB7819C07; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:33:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F2C4319B00; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:32:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CD5019B9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:32:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <0d842c969e3ceea02c63eac7050bb380@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] .ico files Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:32:16 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) added /sys/src/cmd/jpg/{ico,toico}.c I did it to get Netscape and Exploder to display bunnies next to the plan 9 urls. You'll probably have to clear your cache to actually see it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 00:50:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 00:50:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20225 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 00:50:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20220 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 00:50:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 00:50:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 35D7019BCA; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:50:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C1A9519BD9; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 93BCE19BD6; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:49:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from larch.snellwilcox.com (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF80819B9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:49:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <08be02efa3a04ebe6d9e77b46a6b1eae@snellwilcox.com> From: steve-simon@ntlworld.nospam.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] plan9 & mp3 players Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:49:07 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, Anyone use a portable MP3 player with plan9? iPod interface would be nice - I beleive it has firewire and USB2.0 thterfaces which are used to read/write files in HFS+ (Apple) or FAT32 filesystems though this maybe my lack of understanding. -Steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 01:53:05 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; 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Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:15:12 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBMGFBIt008309 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:15:11 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBMGFBd4017386 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:15:11 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:15:11 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote: > ps: this email prompted by the "how appropriate to put filename > completion outside the shell, wouldn't have thought of it in a > lifetime" foundation :) The amiga did a trial run outside the shell too. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 01:53:16 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 01:53:16 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23031 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 01:53:16 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23027 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 01:53:15 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 01:53:15 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7031319B3E; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C50E619B2A; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:13:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 68AF519A0D; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:12:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4417199CF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:12:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3586d98b803832f153e9bcbd702e95c3@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: r@google.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: <537e0437b6e2feff6539786cac9c5ed3@google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:12:33 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > ===> 2/ (application/octet-stream) [file] > cp /mail/fs/mbox/27/2/body /usr/sape/complete.bun.gz Before you run complete.bun, mkdir sys/src/libcomplete From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 02:08:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 02:08:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23483 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 02:08:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23479 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 02:08:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 02:08:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5592C199A3; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:08:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 28AD319BC1; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:08:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5A08A199F4; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67762199A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:07:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <54aebc8f2cb259d294cc3a3030423ebe@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 & mp3 players From: Richard Miller In-Reply-To: <08be02efa3a04ebe6d9e77b46a6b1eae@snellwilcox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:06:59 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I have written a rudimentary USB mass storage driver, primarily for use with usb flash drives (aka pen drives, keychain drives, etc). It supports only the bulk-only protocol, and therefore may not work with more complex devices like digital cameras. But it does work with at least one MP3 player (after some kernel changes, which I submitted to 9trouble in July). If anyone wants to try it, you can email me at my real address (s/.demon.co.uk/.com/). But first check the output of 'usb/usbd -v' with your device plugged in. If it doesn't show an interface of type 8.5.80 or 8.6.80, the device won't be supported. -- Richard From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 13:50:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 13:50:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16293 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 13:50:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16289 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 13:50:43 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 13:50:43 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1339B19A60; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:50:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1-net1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1-net4.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C46B19A14; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:50:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E168A19A6A; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:49:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from 216-239-45-4.google.com (216-239-45-4.google.com [216.239.45.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8783419A14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from stinkhorn.corp.google.com (stinkhorn.corp.google.com [172.24.64.199]) by 216-239-45-4.google.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBN0WatK014769 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:32:36 -0800 Message-ID: <0d0b919f3e0bf842de75af36d8dc2726@google.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion From: "Rob 'Commander' Pike" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qkvlcwlnqxqqktvqeqmomcbdzg" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:32:36 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qkvlcwlnqxqqktvqeqmomcbdzg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit evidence is that this didn't get out before, so here it is again. there's a stupid mistake in the implementation of left and right arrows. the other change here is that i tweaked the parameters so the up and down arrows go 1/3 page and page up and page down arrows go 2/3 page. i hope this is it for a while. -rob 643c643,644 < if(t->q0 > 0) --- > if(t->q0 > 0){ > textcommit(t, TRUE); 644a646 > } 647c649,650 < if(t->q1 < t->file->nc) --- > if(t->q1 < t->file->nc){ > textcommit(t, TRUE); 648a652 > } 650a655,656 > n = t->maxlines/3; > goto case_Down; 652c658,659 < n = t->maxlines/2; --- > n = 2*t->maxlines/3; > case_Down: 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-0800 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion From: "rob pike, esq." In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-hocuvpznpkrctdeoynzoluimkr" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:02:17 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MSG_ID_ADDED_BY_MTA_3 version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-hocuvpznpkrctdeoynzoluimkr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sigh. this update fixes a stupid bug with ← and → and also makes the arrow keys go 1/3 page and page up/down go 2/3 page. if you're going to overload the functionality, do something distinguishable... i hope this is it for a while. -rob 643c643,644 < 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2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:17:56 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) i'm not real convinced about this but I could be interesting. -- MGRS 56H LJ 78915 53260 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 14:02:53 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 14:02:53 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16715 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 14:02:52 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16710 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 14:02:52 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 14:02:52 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E9EDF199D4; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:02:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1-net1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1-net4.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB5A819AD7; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:02:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 29F3C199D4; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:01:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EC88199FD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQB00B01WLB6U@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:34:23 +1100 (EST) Received: from RonRoberts ([134.148.7.115]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with ESMTP id <0HQB008MXWL9VQ@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:34:23 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <003401c3c905$a99b69e0$73079486@RonRoberts> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: [9fans] kbd Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:34:24 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) this is 3rd edition (based on charles forsyth's) work, but it'll give you a clue how to hack kbd.c: http://www.insultant.net/repo/plan9/kbd.tar From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 14:11:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 14:11:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17175 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 14:11:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17160 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 14:11:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 14:11:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 852CE19A9F; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1-net1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1-net4.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E641319AF3; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:11:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 07A6819AF3; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:10:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from monitor.ipsoluciones.com (unknown [213.0.106.123]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D681199FD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from monitor.ipsoluciones.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by monitor.ipsoluciones.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBMIhwoF005943 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:44:03 +0100 Received: (from opengroupware@localhost) by monitor.ipsoluciones.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBMIhdBA005941 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 19:43:39 +0100 Message-Id: <200312221843.hBMIhdBA005941@monitor.ipsoluciones.com> X-Authentication-Warning: monitor.ipsoluciones.com: opengroupware set sender to gabidiaz@ipsoluciones.com using -f X-Mailer: OpenGroupware.org content-type: text/plain To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" MIME-Version: 1.0 content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [9fans] radeon & LCD (only tested on IBM t30 with radeon 7500M) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: "Gabriel Diaz Lopez de la Llave" List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:43:39 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.1 required=5.0 tests=MIME_LONG_LINE_QP,RATWARE_HASH_2,RATWARE_HASH_2_V2, X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) hi there, Fow those who want to use radeon driver with LCD: Boot Laptop Switch to external monitor Select plan9 on boot loader (learn your self how to do it without seeing :) Boot plan9 Wait until rio starts (you HD stop reading :) Switch to LCD again And may be you can see you plan9 screen correctly, i tried for a while and it does=B4nt hung. It works for me :) Saludos PD: Thank for the driver Philippe From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 14:19:03 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 14:19:03 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17596 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 14:19:02 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17592 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 14:19:02 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 14:19:02 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 38F8A19AED; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1-net1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1-net12.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FEBD19B00; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:18:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8F96719A82; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F95719AEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQC00G0116IK4@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:13:31 +1100 (EST) Received: from RonRoberts ([134.148.7.161]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with ESMTP id <0HQC00E9616G62@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:13:30 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: RE: [9fans] file name completion In-reply-to: <000301c3c8f2$993c1bc0$73079486@RonRoberts> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <005101c3c913$828016e0$73079486@RonRoberts> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:13:31 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) be buggered, this jet-lag, XP and bronchitis are not helping: i'm not real convinced about this but it could be interesting. -- MGRS 56H LJ 78915 53260 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 14:23:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 14:23:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17740 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 14:23:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17736 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 14:23:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 14:23:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 11ACC19AF6; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1-net1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1-net12.cse.psu.edu [130.203.12.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC64E19B01; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:23:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 53BC219B01; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:22:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ALPHA2.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha2.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6239A19A78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:22:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.83]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #39306) with ESMTP id <01L4J6I0JK4I9KM8GX@vaxc.its.monash.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:13 +1100 Received: from splat.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.its.monash.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5168D23C003 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:13 +1100 (EST) Received: from ajft.org (nbk-9978.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.3.170]) (user ajft) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by splat.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD4D164003 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:13 +1100 (EST) From: Adrian Tritschler Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak In-reply-to: <2a716c34372c96c652082e7bbd63b641@borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <3FE78190.5040101@ajft.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5a (20031211) References: <2a716c34372c96c652082e7bbd63b641@borf.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:12 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Brantley Coile wrote: >>it's also much fun to set the system back to qwerty and have the >>keycaps bear no relationship to what shows up on the screen... > > > I helped a friend debug a program that worked while he was sitting > down, but didn't while he was standing up. We spend about 30 minutes > puzzing over this until I noticed that someone has swapped two > of his key caps. While he was sitting he touch typed and while > he was standing he was hunting and pecking, and hitting the > incorrect key. Ouch! sneaky. I found myself stuck in a foreign internet cafe once, unable to login to my web-based email system. I had no idea what my password was, I knew what the finger pattern was to type the password - but only on a QWERTY keyboard. Whichever one you're used to, finding yourself at a different keyboard is a major irritation, especially in a foreign place while paying $10 per hour to try and read email on a badly maintained filthy windows 98 PC, connected by a piece of wet string to the internet. > I don't think we were the first to have this mysterious bug. > > Brantley --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:ajft@ajft.org Latitude 38S, Longitude 145E, Altitude 50m, Shoe size 44 --------------------------------------------------------------- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 23 16:17:22 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 23 16:17:22 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 20447 invoked by uid 1020); 23 Dec 2003 15:50:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 20443 invoked from network); 23 Dec 2003 15:50:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 15:50:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5804B19B6A; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1-net1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1-net10.cse.psu.edu [130.203.10.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E771719B5D; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 39A5A19B71; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:49:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from seagoon.newcastle.edu.au (seagoon.newcastle.edu.au [134.148.24.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D252C19BC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 01:49:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) id <0HQC00K01545LV@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:38:30 +1100 (EST) Received: from RonRoberts ([134.148.7.127]) by mail.newcastle.edu.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #35875) with ESMTP id <0HQC00K3X5446M@mail.newcastle.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:38:29 +1100 (EST) From: "boyd, rounin" Subject: RE: [9fans] dvorak In-reply-to: <3FE78190.5040101@ajft.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <005d01c3c91f$61ce6030$73079486@RonRoberts> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:38:30 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Whichever one you're used to, finding yourself at a different keyboard > is a major irritation, ... sure is. when I moved to .fr I decided that learning to type on azerty would be a good idea even though i could get a qwerty keyboard, 'cos the probability of having qwerty elsewhere was probably gonna be pretty low. -- MGRS 56H LJ 78915 53260 From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 00:16:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; 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Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:15:23 -0500 Message-ID: <53dcfefc5c5296d967848caf6ffee6c2@rpi.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak From: jpc@rpi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FE78190.5040101@ajft.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xvaqaeqeagqvbctyatwubxbnms" X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cummij@rpi.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:15:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xvaqaeqeagqvbctyatwubxbnms Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've always thought a great keyboard would have lcd's on each key rather than a printed letter. switch from dvorak to qwerty to whatever at a command and the keyboard still reads correctly. you could show which greek letter or funny math symbol a key would generate when appropriate (alt, shift, special mode of software or whatever) john --upas-xvaqaeqeagqvbctyatwubxbnms Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from smtp1.server.rpi.edu (smtp1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.1]) by pop1.rpi.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBN5NR04311372 for ; 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Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:13 +1100 Received: from splat.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.its.monash.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5168D23C003 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:13 +1100 (EST) Received: from ajft.org (nbk-9978.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.3.170]) (user ajft) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by splat.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD4D164003 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:13 +1100 (EST) From: Adrian Tritschler Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak In-reply-to: <2a716c34372c96c652082e7bbd63b641@borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-id: <3FE78190.5040101@ajft.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5a (20031211) References: <2a716c34372c96c652082e7bbd63b641@borf.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:12 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-CanItPRO-Stream: cummij@rpi.edu X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) X-UIDL: 79e8b76d7694c352654f0b7b22d95ff1 Brantley Coile wrote: >>it's also much fun to set the system back to qwerty and have the >>keycaps bear no relationship to what shows up on the screen... > > > I helped a friend debug a program that worked while he was sitting > down, but didn't while he was standing up. We spend about 30 minutes > puzzing over this until I noticed that someone has swapped two > of his key caps. While he was sitting he touch typed and while > he was standing he was hunting and pecking, and hitting the > incorrect key. Ouch! sneaky. I found myself stuck in a foreign internet cafe once, unable to login to my web-based email system. I had no idea what my password was, I knew what the finger pattern was to type the password - but only on a QWERTY keyboard. Whichever one you're used to, finding yourself at a different keyboard is a major irritation, especially in a foreign place while paying $10 per hour to try and read email on a badly maintained filthy windows 98 PC, connected by a piece of wet string to the internet. > I don't think we were the first to have this mysterious bug. > > Brantley --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:ajft@ajft.org Latitude 38S, Longitude 145E, Altitude 50m, Shoe size 44 --------------------------------------------------------------- --upas-xvaqaeqeagqvbctyatwubxbnms-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 01:28:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 01:28:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 9268 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 01:28:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 9264 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 01:28:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 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Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:27:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <53dcfefc5c5296d967848caf6ffee6c2@rpi.edu> Message-Id: <17F5F5B6-3565-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:28:51 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL, RCVD_IN_UNCONFIRMED_DSBL,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i've always thought a great keyboard would have lcd's on each key > rather than a printed letter. switch from dvorak to qwerty to > whatever at a command and the keyboard still reads correctly. you > could show which greek letter or funny math symbol a key would > generate when appropriate (alt, shift, special mode of software or > whatever) many years ago, ken knowlton had a paper in the bell labs technical journal about a keyboard under a 45 degree-tilted half-silvered mirror. in front of the operator was a tv screen. when the operator looked down, images from the screen appeared virtually (nice to use that word correctly for a change) projected onto the keyboard, and even on top of the operator's hands. when i say operator i'm using that word correctly too: this was used to present varying keyboard layouts to phone operators. -rob From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 05:20:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; 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Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BED23937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-67.31.64.66.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([67.31.64.66]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:07:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1441.67.31.64.66.1072210046.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak From: "Joel Salomon" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <17F5F5B6-3565-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> References: <53dcfefc5c5296d967848caf6ffee6c2@rpi.edu> <17F5F5B6-3565-11D8-BB19-000A95B984D8@mightycheese.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:07:26 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Rob Pike said: > in front of the operator was a tv screen. when the operator looked > down, images from the screen appeared virtually (nice to use that word > correctly for a change) projected onto the keyboard, and even on top of > the operator's hands. Ask google about "projection keyboards" - these have no moving parts at all. --Joel From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 05:42:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 05:42:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 17801 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 05:42:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 17797 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 05:42:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 05:42:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 95F6319C19; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:42:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E279219BDE; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:42:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C611B19AB4; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:41:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFC7419B4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:40:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <06fbe268794fbecd5a6c3fca3ec3de83@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak From: Richard Miller In-Reply-To: <1441.67.31.64.66.1072210046.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:40:16 0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=INVALID_DATE,IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > Ask google about "projection keyboards" - these have no moving parts at all. See July 2003 CACM pp 70-71 for an intriguing picture. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 08:58:47 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 08:58:47 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25498 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 08:58:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25493 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 08:58:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 08:58:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 054E719B73; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:58:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AAAE19B4E; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:58:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6075F19AF7; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1A9219AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk ([194.222.126.246]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYwOJ-000II3-0U for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:56:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 3380 invoked by uid 500); 23 Dec 2003 23:53:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO whitecrow.demon.co.uk) (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 23:53:24 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dvorak In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:43:12 +1100." <3FE78190.5040101@ajft.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Steve Kilbane Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:53:24 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Adrian Tritschler wrote: > I found myself stuck in a foreign internet cafe once, unable to login t= o = > my web-based email system. I had no idea what my password was, I knew = > what the finger pattern was to type the password - but only on a QWERTY= = > keyboard. In a similar vein, rog and I used to know someone who typed rapidly but inaccurately. When choosing new passwords, he'd pick the password, and then type it onto the screen a lot, quickly. Then he'd very carefully= enter the most common rendition as his password. steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 08:58:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 08:58:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25511 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 08:58:51 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25507 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 08:58:51 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 08:58:51 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 86B1219B9D; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:58:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E916A19BAF; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:58:29 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6A9DA19AFC; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B200219B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk ([194.222.126.246]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AYwOL-000II3-0U for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:56:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 3390 invoked by uid 500); 23 Dec 2003 23:54:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO whitecrow.demon.co.uk) (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Dec 2003 23:54:52 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.4 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:17:56 +1100." <000301c3c8f2$993c1bc0$73079486@RonRoberts> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Steve Kilbane Message-Id: Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:54:52 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > i'm not real convinced about this but I could be interesting. Oh, but that's going into my fortune file... steve From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 12:33:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 12:33:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 6887 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 12:33:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 6882 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 12:33:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 12:33:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E131E19B3B; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50A1819B68; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:33:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F2A9419B3B; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E13E519B64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:32:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <82b7dcc0bfea2482ac69383642765451@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] file name completion From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <005101c3c913$828016e0$73079486@RonRoberts> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:32:57 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > be buggered, this jet-lag, XP and bronchitis are not helping: > > i'm not real convinced about this but it could be interesting. It seems to show a little shift from fundametalist Rob Pike to someone else.☺ However, I appreciate and thank this change, because I don't need to switch mouse/keyboard so often now. However, Plan 9 still be fundametalist as possible. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 13:39:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 13:39:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11656 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 13:39:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11651 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 13:39:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 13:39:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C6CB319B68; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:39:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D76019B9F; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:39:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AC93C19B50; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:38:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 321CC19A99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:38:16 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] building small Plan 9 network at home (LONG) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:38:41 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) It's very straightforward to have a standalone Fossil+Venti machine at home. However, i'm afraid it's not so easy to have that network at home. So, this is my small attempt to offer an example of mine with the hope to help someone who wants to has Plan 9 home network. Here, I assume you have standalone kfs based machine already. My Plan 9 network at home is very small, which has only three machine, called venus(Venti+Fossil+CPU server), surveyor(RedHat 9.0 or Plan 9 terminal) and mars(Win2000 or Plan 9 terminal), and the purpose of this document is to build venus. Mars and Surveyor will boot from floppy drive when I want to run 9term. Venus server has two disks, sdC0 and sdC1, and will boot from sdC0 using 9fat partition. Regarding how to make venti/fossil file system, you can read the related documents on Plan 9 wiki page. I think it's worth to add a point here. Don't forgewt to fossil/flfmt /dev/sdC0/other before to make it run. You'll have active, snapshot and archive directory under the other filesystem, those are not neccessary, and you can remove them from fossilcons(8), and add some neccessary diectories there, such as lp/tmp, lp/log etc. Now, let's go (may be long sorry). 1) fdisk and prep sdC0 and sdC1 Mine is as follows: sdC0 --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 104857600 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/9fat --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 0 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/ctl --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 20490559488 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/data --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 8821071872 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/fossil --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 4831787008 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/isect --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 512 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/nvram --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 6194552832 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/other --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 20489140224 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/plan9 -lrw------- S 0 sys sys 0 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/raw --rw-r----- S 0 sys sys 536870400 Dec 23 15:39 /dev/sdC0/swap All the partition of sdC1(120GB) is dedicated to Venti. 2) The contents of 9fat partition alrw-rw-rw- M 55 bill trog 181812 Dec 8 20:38 /n/9fat/9LOAD --rw-rw-rw- M 55 bill trog 2046150 Dec 8 20:38 /n/9fat/9PCDISK --rw-rw-rw- M 55 bill trog 2404282 Dec 24 00:42 /n/9fat/9pcvnsf --rw-rw-rw- M 55 bill trog 899193 Dec 24 00:42 /n/9fat/9pcvnsf.gz --rw-rw-rw- M 55 bill trog 2404273 Dec 19 05:17 /n/9fat/9pcvnsfJ --rw-rw-rw- M 55 bill trog 899175 Dec 19 05:17 /n/9fat/9pcvnsfJ.gz --rw-rw-rw- M 55 bill trog 411 Dec 23 05:51 /n/9fat/PLAN9.INI Plan9.ini of venus is as foolows: # Celereon 366, 512MB, Fossil+Venti+Auth #bootfile=sdC0!fs!/386/9pcauth bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pcvnsf #bootfile=sdC0!9fat!9pcvnsfJ #bootfile=fd0!9pcvnsf.gz sysname=venus *nomp=1 #ether0=type=ne2000 port=0x6500 irq=9 #ether0=type=83815 ether=type=i82557 audio0=type=sb16 irq=5 port=0x220 dma=5 #audio0=type=sb16 irq=7 port=0x220 dma=5 mouseport=ps2 #mouseport=0 monitor=multisync vgasize=1376x1024x8 Don't bother with audio0 line. ☺ 3) make 9pcdntf under /sys/src/9/pc My pcvnsf file is as follows: -----------cut here-------- dev root cons arch pnp pci env pipe proc mnt srv dup rtc ssl tls cap kprof ether netif ip arp chandial ip ipv6 ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium pktmedium ptclbsum386 inferno draw screen vga vgax mouse mouse vga sd floppy dma lpt audio dma pccard i82365 cis uart usb link devpccard devi82365 apm apmjump ether2000 ether8390 ether2114x pci ether589 etherelnk3 ether79c970 pci ether8003 ether8390 ether8139 ether82543gc pci ether82557 pci ether83815 pci etherec2t ether8390 etherelnk3 pci etherga620 pci etherigbe pci ethermii ethersink ethersmc devi82365 cis etherwavelan wavelan devi82365 cis pci ethermedium pcmciamodem netdevmedium loopbackmedium usbuhci misc archmp mp apic sdata pci sdscsi sd53c8xx pci sdscsi sdmylex pci sdscsi uarti8250 uartpci pci vga3dfx +cur vgaark2000pv +cur vgabt485 =cur vgaclgd542x +cur vgaclgd546x +cur vgact65545 +cur vgacyber938x +cur vgaet4000 +cur vgahiqvideo +cur vgai81x +cur vgamach64xx +cur vgamga2164w +cur vgamga4xx +cur vganeomagic +cur vganvidia +cur vgargb524 =cur vgas3 +cur vgasavage vgat2r4 +cur vgatvp3020 =cur vgatvp3026 =cur vgavmware +cur ip il tcp udp ipifc icmp icmp6 port int cpuserver = 1; boot cpu boot #S/sdC0/ il tcp local bootdir /386/bin/rc /rc/lib/rcmain /386/bin/bind /386/bin/cat /386/bin/cp /386/bin/echo /386/bin/mount /386/bin/sleep /386/bin/ip/ipconfig /386/bin/auth/factotum /386/bin/fossil/fossil /386/bin/venti/venti /sys/lib/sysconfig/venusf/boot /sys/lib/sysconfig/venusf/vnsfproto /sys/lib/sysconfig/venusf/venti.conf ------cut here----------- And, mk 'CONF=pcvnsf' install, and copy 9pcvnsf(.gz) to 9fat partition, too. You have to edit following three files under /sys/lib/sysconfig/venusf directory before compile 9pcvnsf. My /sys/lib/sysconfig/venusf/boot, vnsfproto, venti.conf files are: 3-1) boot --------cut here------- #!/boot/rc -m /boot/rcmain cpuserver=yes cd /boot cp '#r/rtc' '#c/time' bind -a '#I' /net bind -a '#l0' /net bind -a '#S' /dev bind '#p' /proc bind '#d' /fd bind -a /boot / ipconfig loopback /dev/null 127.1 ipconfig -g 192.168.2.100 ether /net/ether0 add 192.168.2.10 255.255.255.0 if(~ $cpuserver yes){ factotum -sfactotum -S # factotum -sfactotum -S -k } if not{ factotum -sfactotum -u # add a key so mount and fossil can authenticate each other # remove this key once factotum is initialized with other keys factotum -g 'proto=p9sk1 user=sys dom=jitaku.localdomain !password=localhost' } # raw block cache(B), venti block chache(C) and index cache(I) are all 8 Mega bytes venti -c venti.conf -B 16m -C 16m -h tcp!127.1!8000 -I 16m -w -a tcp!127.1!17034 & sleep 10 venti=tcp!127.0.0.1!17034 fossil -c '. vnsfproto' mount -c /srv/boot /root bind -ac /root / rootdir=/root rootspec='' echo dma on >/dev/sdC0/ctl echo dma on >/dev/sdC1/ctl if(~ $cpuserver yes) /386/init -c if not /386/init -t exec ./rc -m/boot/rcmain -i ----------cut here---------- 3-2) vnsfproto -----cut here------ srv -p fscons srv -p fscmd srv boot fsys main config /dev/sdC0/fossil # 36864 = (312MB - 8MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 # 29696 = (256MB - 8MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 #124928 = (1024MB - 16MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 # 59392 = (512MB - 16MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 fsys main open -c 36864 fsys main users -r /active/adm/users snaptime -s 60 -a 0500 listen il!*!17008 listen tcp!*!564 fsys other config /dev/sdC0/other fsys other open -c 2000 #fsys main --------cut here-------- 3-3) venti.conf -------cut here------- index main isect /dev/sdC0/isect arenas /dev/sdC1/arenas -----cut here------- 4) edit /lib/ndb/local file, and mine is as follows: ----------cut here-------- # # files comprising the database, use as many as you like, see ndb(6) # database= file=/lib/ndb/local file=/lib/ndb/common file=/lib/ndb/auth # #outside domain # dom= ns=A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET dom=A.ROO-SERVERS.NET ip=210.141.128.10 ip=210.141.128.13 auth=sources.cs.bell-labs.com authdom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com #systems on the local network # #auth=venus.jitaku.localdomain authdom=jitaku.localdomain dom=jitaku.localdomain soa refresh=3600 ttl=3600 ns=venus mx=venus mbox=okamoto@venus.jitaku.localdomain smtp=venus.jitaku.localdomain #install this network # ipnet=takakura ip=192.168.2.0 ipmask=255.255.255.0 ipgw=192.168.2.100 auth=venus authdom=jitaku.localdomain fs=192.168.2.10 dns=192.168.2.10 dnsdomain=jitaku.localdomain #END # gateway of local # Plan 9 venus ether0 #ip=192.168.2.10 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=venus # dom=venus.jitaku.localdomain # INSTALL fileserver # AUTH server # //NS DP83815 network card// # ip=192.168.2.10 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=venus # Intel XPRES-PRO/100 ip=192.168.2.10 ether=0002b3cbb91d sys=venus dom=venus.jitaku.localdomain bootf=/386/9pcvnsf proto=il #END #=====Terminals====== # # Plan 9 terminal by floppy boot (DELL Opitilex) ip=192.168.2.100 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=mars doms=mars.jitaku.localdomain bootf=/386/9pcJ.gz fs=venus proto=il # Plan 9 terminal from floppy boot # and (RedHat Linux 7.2J) # Network card Corega FEther PCI-TXS (Realtek 8139) ip=192.168.2.20 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=surveyor dom=surveyor.jitaku.localdomain bootf=/386/9pc.gz fs=venus proto=il # Terminal mercury (Cube PC Pen4 1.8GHz, RTL8139) ip=192.168.2.15 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=mercury dom=mercury.jitaku.localdomain bootf=/386/9pcJ.gz fs=venus proto=il # Terminal venus #ip=192.168.2.10 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=venus # dom=venus.jitaku.localdomain # bootf=/386/9pcdisk # proto=il # gateway to chigaklu6.co.jp # #ip=192.168.1.3 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=p9gate # dom=p9gate.chigaku6.co.jp # bootf=/386/9pcdisk # proto=il # Terminal Tecra 720CT Notebook ip=192.168.2.12 ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx sys=kenprvt dom=kenprvt.jitaku.localdomain bootf=/386/9pcdiskJ.gz fs=venus proto=il ----------cut here------------ The ether=xxxxxxxxxxxx should be replaced by an approapriate number. 5) reboot the machine without floppy, and it'll boot from the sdC0, and reads plan9.ini thre, and you'll be promted to enter authID, authdomain and key etc, and do it which will be written to /dev/sdC0/nvram, and from next time, it'll be read automatically. good luck! Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 13:44:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 13:44:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12065 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 13:44:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12059 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 13:44:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 13:44:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EF5A019B91; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:44:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F94519BA9; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:44:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BE5B219A99; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:43:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A433D19ADA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:42:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] building small Plan 9 network at home (LONG) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:43:22 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > My Plan 9 network at home is very small, which has only three > machine, called venus(Venti+Fossil+CPU server), surveyor(RedHat > 9.0 or Plan 9 terminal) and mars(Win2000 or Plan 9 terminal), > and the purpose of this document is to build venus. Venus has 256x2 + 32 = 544MB memory, and Mars has 256MB and Surveyor's 512MB memory. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 24 13:46:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 24 13:46:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 12220 invoked by uid 1020); 24 Dec 2003 13:46:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 12216 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2003 13:46:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 24 Dec 2003 13:46:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1745019BB7; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC19319BF4; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:46:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A205319BB7; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:45:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F62819ADA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:45:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <61c03c0ac41643d06bdaf7680b0bf4bf@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] building small Plan 9 network at home (LONG) From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:45:32 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I forgot one more very important file, /rc/bin/cpurc for venus. Here you go. ----cut here----- #!/bin/rc -x echo -n cpu >/env/service date -u >/env/boottime fileserver=venus # replace FACEDOM with the local domain to be used in the faces database facedom=FACEDOM TIMESYNCACCURACY=1000000 # accuracy in nanosec #ip/ipconfig -g 192.168.2.100 ether /net/ether0 192.168.2.10 255.255.255.0 >/dev/null >[2=1] ndb/cs sysname=`{cat /dev/sysname} ndb/dns -r NPROC=`{wc -l /dev/sysstat} NPROC=`{echo $NPROC|sed 's/ .*//'} prompt=($sysname^'# ' ' ') for(i in H w f t m v L S P U '$' Σ) /bin/bind -a '#'^$i /dev >/dev/null >[2=1] ip/dhcpd ip/tftpd aux/timesync -a $TIMESYNCACCURACY auth/keyfs -w p -m /mnt/keys /adm/keys >/dev/null >[2=1] aux/listen -q -t /rc/bin/service.auth -d /rc/bin/service il aux/listen -q -t /rc/bin/service.auth -d /rc/bin/service tcp if(~ $mouseport ask){ echo -n 'mouseport is (ps2, ps2intellimouse, 0, 1, 2)[ps2]: ' mouseport=`{read} if(~ $#mouseport 0) mouseport=ps2 } if(~ $vgasize ask){ echo -n 'vgasize [640x480x8]: ' vgasize=`{read} if(~ $#vgasize 0) vgasize=640x480x8 } if(~ $monitor ask){ echo -n 'monitor is [xga]: ' monitor=`{read} if(~ $#monitor 0) monitor=xga } if(test -f /dev/mousectl){ switch($mouseport){ case ps2 ps2intellimouse 0 1 2 if(~ $sysname VENUS) aux/mouse -b 1200 $mouseport if not aux/mouse $mouseport # parse vgasize into fields vgasize=`{echo $vgasize} if(! ~ $"monitor '' && ! ~ `{cat /dev/user} none){ aux/vga -l $vgasize # aux/vga -ip $vgasize > /usr/okamoto/mars.$vgasize } if(~ $accupoint 1) pipefile -dr /bin/aux/accupoint /dev/mouse } } auth/cron >> /sys/log/cron >[2=1]& swap /dev/sdC0/swap mount -c /srv/boot /n/venusother other ------cut here----- Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 25 01:55:36 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 25 01:55:36 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 16029 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2003 01:55:32 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 16025 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 01:55:32 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 01:55:32 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A343719B74; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 166F719BAB; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:55:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DF83219A3E; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:54:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from 203.141.35.113 (OFSfb-01p3-43.ppp11.odn.ad.jp [211.131.156.43]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CDDC19AA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:54:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by MS34 (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.8 (1.8.4.0)); Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:54:20 From: jun.-1982.0724@ezweb.ne.jp To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mail Distributer Message-ID: Subject: [9fans] =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCP01GO0l8Nj07WTFnJEskRCQkJEYhIyEjISMbKEI=?= Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: jun.-1982.0724@ezweb.ne.jp List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:54:20 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.1 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,INVALID_DATE, NO_REAL_NAME,PLING_QUERY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) $B$I$&;W$&!)8l$j9g$o$J$$!)$*I[CD$NCf$H$+$*IwO$$H$+$G$5(B(#^.^#) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Thu Dec 25 16:53:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Thu Dec 25 16:53:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 28827 invoked by uid 1020); 25 Dec 2003 16:53:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 28823 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2003 16:53:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 25 Dec 2003 16:53:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BAD5019A73; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21C8E19AE9; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:53:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5F9A519AD4; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (loadbalancer-VIP.orcon.net.nz [219.88.242.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9FDE19A9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptop (port-219-88-129-123.orcon.net.nz [219.88.129.123]) by dbmail-mx3.orcon.co.nz (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with SMTP id hBP7molu032660 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:48:57 +1300 Message-ID: <000c01c3cabb$f31e2500$7b8158db@laptop> From: "Chris Hollis-Locke" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 Subject: [9fans] Almost over Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:51:36 +1300 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Much to the annoyance (or perhaps because of it) of at least one 9fans-er, and you know who you are, I want to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas from New Zealand. I wish particular merryment to my good Inferno/Plan9 friends in the UK (you also know who you are). Chris. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Fri Dec 26 21:28:48 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Fri Dec 26 21:28:48 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2014 invoked by uid 1020); 26 Dec 2003 21:28:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2009 invoked from network); 26 Dec 2003 21:28:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 21:28:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 068D319C40; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A894D19C31; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:28:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 138FD19B51; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:27:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5719A199E5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 07:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.137.100.72] by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20031226122642.BHYC19387.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.72]> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:26:42 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [203.116.61.131] From: Steve Simon To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Almost over MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20031226122642.BHYC19387.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@[10.137.100.72]> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: steve-simon@REMOVE.ME.ntlworld.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:26:52 +0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) To my amusement I'am writing this in Singapore airport on my way to Christchurch, from my usual home of the UK. So I will have some sunshire too (for a few weeks anyway). -Steve ----------------------------------------- Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 27 08:06:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 27 08:06:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 25128 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2003 08:06:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 25124 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 08:06:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 08:06:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3D17F19C50; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:06:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDF9F19C5A; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:06:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CC28B19AAD; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02AF819A6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:05:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBQN5I7W013087 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:05:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBQN5Io7013083 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:05:18 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] hyperthreading Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:05:18 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) quick question: will Plan 9 work with hyperthreading processors? will it recognize them as dual-cpus? can you share experience with those? thanks: andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 27 09:01:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 27 09:01:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27210 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2003 09:01:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27206 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 09:01:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 09:01:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B0DC519C62; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C3ED19C69; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:01:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 814AE19BD3; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:00:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7AAB19C61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:00:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:00:01 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Fri Dec 26 18:06:45 EST 2003, mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote: > quick question: > > will Plan 9 work with hyperthreading processors? will it recognize them as > dual-cpus? > > can you share experience with those? > > thanks: andrey Depends. In 2002 we bought a dual-processor Xeon machine with hyperthreading. After enabling the hyperthreading option in the BIOS setup Plan 9 detects and uses 4 processors. (I don't think it makes much, if any, improvement to the system's performance). Earlier this month we tried a new single-processor P4 system with hyperthreading. Even with the BIOS option set the BIOS MP table only contains a single processor entry. I haven't bothered yet to look to see if there's some BIOS problem or if there's some other way to take advantage of hyperthreading on this system. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 27 11:02:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 27 11:02:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31297 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2003 11:02:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31293 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 11:02:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 11:02:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF0C719C34; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDC64199DD; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:02:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 92BE4199E1; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C437319B5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBR4Ans13468 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:10:49 -0500 Received: from 138.89.177.17 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:10:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32852.138.89.177.17.1072498249.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] fossil/venti Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:10:49 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME,RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I am currently reinstalling my plan 9 machine with fossil/venti. I did a fossil based installation and also setup Venti server. At one point 'snap -a' also succeeded. When I rebooted the machine, boot process fails with the message: "boot: /386/init: not connected with venti server". I know I am clealy missing something but not sure what it is. Here are my questions: - can venti and fossil be in the same machine? - where do I specify venti server details which fossil uses? - does fossil clear the data blocks once it has saved to venti? is venti needed while booting the system? if so, who starts it? how does it get started while booting? do i need to specify in any config file? - any kernel modification is needed? - I didnt configure the network adapter yet. Is that a problem for booting? Any help appreciated. Thanks dharani From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 27 13:50:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 27 13:50:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5384 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2003 13:50:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5380 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 13:50:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 13:50:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7087E19B46; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C4C7619B67; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:50:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7C09819B46; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:49:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6811819A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 23:48:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil/venti From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <32852.138.89.177.17.1072498249.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:49:18 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > fails with the message: "boot: /386/init: not connected with venti server". I'm seeing this sometime here, too. You can getout, and then, re boot fossil agian, and it'll make no harm so far. Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 27 14:43:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 27 14:43:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7322 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2003 14:43:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7317 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 14:43:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 14:43:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E9E5019C64; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:43:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E74B19C71; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:43:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 956A919B39; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C7CA3199E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:42:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBR7qCs13884 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 02:52:12 -0500 Received: from 138.89.177.17 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 02:52:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <32908.138.89.177.17.1072511532.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil/venti From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 02:52:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) hi >> fails with the message: "boot: /386/init: not connected with venti >> server". > > I'm seeing this sometime here, too. > You can getout, and then, re boot fossil agian, and it'll make > no harm so far. As I read and re-read the postings (including your posting titled 'building small Plan 9 network at home') in 9fans list, I am able to guess what is happening. Looks like fossil is not able to connect to venti probably because venti is not running, network is not up (or not configured), or fossil doesnt know the location of venti. After a couple of tries, these are the things I found (please correct me if I am wrong): - plan 9 installation is getting complex. the easiest one i did was the first free version (just a standalone system with kfs). as features are added, it getting tougher. - I tried to find out where installation script stores 'flproto' file but I couldnt. I also couldnt find out where Venti's address is stored that fossil can use. - i think kfs file system is needed anyway atleast till fossil kernel is built and the config files are modified accordingly. it is not possible or easy to setup fossil/venti without kfs. am i right? - looks like if the IP address or network changes, fossil may hesitate to start. So having 'localhost' configuration for fossil/venti communication may be useful. - The Wiki document titled 'Setting Up Fossil' is useful but if I am right, it was written for a fresh fossil installation (instead of installation-process-assisted fossil installation). So I am not sure what is done already and what needs to be done. In particular, I am struggling to get read-write permission on any file (like disk/kfscmd allow). I will be happy if someone can give your suggestions. Any help appreciated. I used to feel I am just a end-user to Plan 9. This attempt made me even more worried. :-( regards dharani From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sat Dec 27 15:18:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sat Dec 27 15:18:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 8700 invoked by uid 1020); 27 Dec 2003 15:18:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 8696 invoked from network); 27 Dec 2003 15:18:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 27 Dec 2003 15:18:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 03C3F19B86; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:18:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 919A719C73; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:18:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7E59319B47; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:17:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from home (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A1F019C6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:17:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil/venti From: mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca In-Reply-To: <32908.138.89.177.17.1072511532.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:20:22 -0700 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > I will be happy if someone can give your suggestions. Any help appreciated. remove 'venti=' from plan9.ini and see if it boots ok. if the venti resides on the same disk as the fossil (or the same system that is currently booting) then set the venti to point to a disk directly, instead of using an IP address. here's what my machine uses: venti='#S/sdC0/arenas' as for fossil+venti being more complex than kfs -- venti gives you more than anything kfs ever did, so it is expected that its configuration is more complex since it's so site-specific. if, instead, you had skipped the venti config and just did a standalone fossil install you'ld find it just as easy as kfs... andrey ps: best thing to do once you get it working is to tear it down and rebuild it again :) From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 02:57:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 02:57:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1096 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 02:57:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1092 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 02:57:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 02:57:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7E4B919A00; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B258619BD4; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:57:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E238019B84; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from edoras.nas.com (edoras.nas.com [206.63.100.8]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F79519A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from echo.localnet (max2-d84.nas.com [206.63.102.213]) by edoras.nas.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB79EEBCDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:56:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ibook.localnet ([192.168.0.11] helo=nas.com) by echo.localnet with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1AaIan-0004c6-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000301c3c8f2$993c1bc0$73079486@RonRoberts> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:56:16 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Monday, December 22, 2003, at 05:17 PM, boyd, rounin wrote: > i'm not real convinced about this but I could be interesting. I'm not convinced, but I'm not interesting, either. :) -Jack From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 03:41:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 03:41:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2611 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 03:41:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2607 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 03:41:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 03:41:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 907FC19C56; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:41:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA06619C72; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:41:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F26E719C1B; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:40:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47E0D19992 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:40:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <737a0ebd8ffbbd4d878cadf0d978763c@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:39:56 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I took a quick look at the P4 hyperthreading docs. It looks like we'd have to use the ACPI tables rather than the BIOS MPS table to correctly initialise the extra logical CPUs if the MPS table doesn't lie and pretend the logical CPUs are physical ones. That's more work than anyone here has time for right now. Some ACPI support would be nice in general, though. On Fri Dec 26 19:01:39 EST 2003, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > On Fri Dec 26 18:06:45 EST 2003, mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote: > > quick question: > > > > will Plan 9 work with hyperthreading processors? will it recognize them as > > dual-cpus? > > > > can you share experience with those? > > > > thanks: andrey > > Depends. In 2002 we bought a dual-processor Xeon machine with > hyperthreading. After enabling the hyperthreading option in the > BIOS setup Plan 9 detects and uses 4 processors. (I don't think > it makes much, if any, improvement to the system's performance). > > Earlier this month we tried a new single-processor P4 system > with hyperthreading. Even with the BIOS option set the BIOS MP > table only contains a single processor entry. I haven't bothered > yet to look to see if there's some BIOS problem or if there's > some other way to take advantage of hyperthreading on this > system. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 06:41:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 06:41:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 7548 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 06:41:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 7544 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 06:41:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 06:41:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AB71119C96; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:41:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC49F19C9D; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:41:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8CAD219C96; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:40:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08B0819C92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:39:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <16c4c82215bf2f8e1bcb42b31b4f4d4b@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] smtp + STARTTLS Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:39:49 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I updated sources with some changes from Geoff to make this work more reliably/debuggably. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 13:47:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 13:47:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23144 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 13:47:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23140 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 13:47:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 13:47:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1D6A619CF1; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4817019CE6; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:47:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BFCA719CE0; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:46:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A03F219CE3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil/venti From: okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: <32908.138.89.177.17.1072511532.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:47:08 +0900 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > - plan 9 installation is getting complex. the easiest one i did was the > first free version (just a standalone system with kfs). as features are > added, it getting tougher. I agree, and that is the reason why I posted my example for someone who will have the same problem, too. Complicated, because we have three kinds of file servers, and the last one, which is expected to active now, is still in the progress. If you just want to try Plan 9, you can choose kfs version, because it's easier. > - i think kfs file system is needed anyway atleast till fossil kernel is > built and the config files are modified accordingly. it is not possible or > easy to setup fossil/venti without kfs. am i right? If you don't have working Plan 9 network, I think you need kfs system first, from which you can fill the things into venti archive disk.☺ > (instead of > installation-process-assisted fossil installation). I don't know this. Is there? > I used to feel I am just a end-user to Plan 9. Looks like so.☺ Kenji From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 15:14:12 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 15:14:12 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 26331 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 15:13:46 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 26326 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 15:13:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 15:13:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0E6B419C86; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 432A319CCA; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:13:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DCD0619CB1; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E767D19CAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:12:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBS8Mis16613 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:22:44 -0500 Received: from 138.89.177.17 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:22:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33139.138.89.177.17.1072599764.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil/venti From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:22:44 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,RCVD_IN_NJABL,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) >> - plan 9 installation is getting complex. the easiest one i did was >> the first free version (just a standalone system with kfs). as >> features are added, it getting tougher. > > I agree, and that is the reason why I posted my example for someone who > will have the same problem, too. yeah, i found the note you have posted only after sending my request. > Complicated, because we have three kinds of file servers, and the last > one, which is expected to active now, is still in the progress. If > you just want to try Plan 9, you can choose kfs version, because it's > easier. No, no. I have been using kfs (and venti) for a long time. I wanted to try fossil with venti now. >> - i think kfs file system is needed anyway atleast till fossil kernel >> is built and the config files are modified accordingly. it is not >> possible or easy to setup fossil/venti without kfs. am i right? > If you don't have working Plan 9 network, I think you need kfs system > first, from which you can fill the things into venti archive disk.☺ ah, now i get it. i was wondering how you have all tried fossil and started discussing about it. i didnt know you have to use kfs initially or some working plan 9 machine before fossil is in place. this is what i tried to do: the boot floppy asked whether i want kfs or fossil. i chose fossil. I was thinking, instead of kfs, I can use fossil (with venti). looks like fossil/venti can be up and running only after necessary steps are taken. >> (instead of >> installation-process-assisted fossil installation). > > I don't know this. Is there? yes. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 15:42:43 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 15:42:43 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27545 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 15:42:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27541 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 15:42:41 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 15:42:41 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 42FA919CCA; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:42:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FC9919CE5; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:42:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 183D119CC6; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:41:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.7.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D28B19CB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:40:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id hBS6ed7W016554 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:40:39 -0700 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id hBS6edLl016550 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:40:39 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil/venti In-Reply-To: <33139.138.89.177.17.1072599764.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:40:39 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Here is the most straightforward way to get a fossil+venti system on a single machine (not necessarily single disk): - install from cd/net, leaving a reasonable amount of space for venti (the exact sizes are discussed in the wiki) - boot the brand new fossil system and configure the venti partitions as explained in 'Configuring Venti' on the wiki - write the venti configuration to an arena partition (venti/conf) - set venti= in plan9 .ini to point to the partition containing the venti configuration - reboot, connect to the fossil console and do a 'snap -a', then configure other parameters such as snaptimes. it's a good idea to store the fossil and venti configurations offsite, just in case As with most other Plan 9 things, the learning curve is very steep at the beginning but, as many have found out, once realized, the system presents very few surprises. Having worked with venti and a crashy fossil for a while I've come to realize that much more attention needs to be paid to venti since fossil servers could be discarded freely, as long as the data in venti is intact. andrey From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 18:34:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 18:34:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2052 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 18:34:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2048 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 18:34:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 18:34:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9FD2719CE4; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:34:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2312619CBC; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:34:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4D8AC19CB0; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D49CE19B9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBS9XgER021059 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:33:42 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBS9XfWu021058 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:33:41 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20031228113340.E24787@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Organization: Proxima Research & Development Subject: [9fans] sources Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:33:40 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ... responds to ICMP (ping and traceroutes) but does not seem to provide a complete 9FS connection. OK, it also refuses TELNET and SSH connections, but I'm sure that's not unexpected. ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Sun Dec 28 22:38:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Sun Dec 28 22:38:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 11099 invoked by uid 1020); 28 Dec 2003 22:38:43 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 11094 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2003 22:38:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 28 Dec 2003 22:38:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9FD1019CE9; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A35AD19D03; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:38:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 494C119CE9; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:37:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7964C19D01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:37:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <7c397c43fc49db2d09c528ef4765c781@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sources In-Reply-To: <20031228113340.E24787@cackle.proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vekoeomfxbzdwqtljwnbsmtunp" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 08:36:02 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vekoeomfxbzdwqtljwnbsmtunp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit fixed --upas-vekoeomfxbzdwqtljwnbsmtunp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Dec 28 04:34:39 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Dec 28 04:34:36 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AF67119CB0; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E75119B9A; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:34:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4D8AC19CB0; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D49CE19B9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 04:33:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBS9XgER021059 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:33:42 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBS9XfWu021058 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:33:41 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20031228113340.E24787@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Organization: Proxima Research & Development Subject: [9fans] sources Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:33:40 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ... responds to ICMP (ping and traceroutes) but does not seem to provide a complete 9FS connection. OK, it also refuses TELNET and SSH connections, but I'm sure that's not unexpected. ++L --upas-vekoeomfxbzdwqtljwnbsmtunp-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 00:03:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 00:03:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13716 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 00:03:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13711 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:03:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:03:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6A0C019A76; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:03:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 863BE19D07; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:03:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B838E19CF5; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:02:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0F7819A76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:02:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from snail ([218.214.60.54]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <217817-21661>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:01:19 -0500 Message-ID: <005501c3cd53$8d353540$0901a8c0@snail> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [9fans] 512/128kbit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:01:55 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) from sydney to NY 512/128 kbit is pretty zippy with drawterm. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 00:11:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 00:11:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13992 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 00:11:37 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13988 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 00:11:36 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 00:11:36 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1F60C19D0D; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED04B19D0B; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:11:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3E35B19CFA; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:10:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams013.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n13.valueweb.net [216.219.253.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60EA819A76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:10:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from snail ([218.214.60.54]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <231646-21654>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 10:09:04 -0500 Message-ID: <007301c3cd54$a13bbea0$0901a8c0@snail> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <005501c3cd53$8d353540$0901a8c0@snail> Subject: Re: [9fans] 512/128kbit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 02:09:44 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > from sydney to NY 512/128 kbit is pretty zippy with drawterm. let me qualify that: [from] MGRS 56H LH 37760 48066 [to] ... From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 01:12:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 01:12:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 15745 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 01:12:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 15741 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 01:12:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 01:12:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9437519D10; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:12:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFC2719D06; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:12:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6FC9919D06; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:11:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8054E19D0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBSGBefK027600 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:11:40 -0700 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBSGBeIt003789 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:11:40 -0700 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id hBSGBed4012472 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:11:40 -0700 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hyperthreading In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:11:39 -0700 (MST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) hyperthreading: don't waste your time. hype-r-threading. ron From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 04:55:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 04:55:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 23362 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 04:55:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 23358 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 04:55:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 04:55:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3A0D219D20; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:55:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49E9819D23; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 56CA319D1C; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:54:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DF82D19B78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 14844 invoked by uid 991); 28 Dec 2003 19:54:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031228195417.14843.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Jack Johnson message dated "Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:56:16 -0800." From: Scott Schwartz Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:54:17 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) I haven't tried it yet, but I'm convinced and interested. Something like "rk", a markov chain based input predictor would be great too. Most of what we type is highly predictable, and having a key to accept the next offered word or line can really accelerate things. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 07:25:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 07:25:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 27537 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 07:25:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 27533 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 07:25:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 07:25:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B89AD19BD9; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E584C19D11; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:25:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5D2A219B41; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:24:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FEAB19B41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 9C3003938; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 634E23937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:12:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-67.31.64.75.dial1.newyork1.level3.net ([67.31.64.75]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:12:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1684.67.31.64.75.1072649552.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] hyperthreading From: "Joel Salomon" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:12:32 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) ron minnich said: > hyperthreading: don't waste your time. > > hype-r-threading. > > ron I'm to assume then that hyperthreading is distinct from having multiple "cores" on a single die (what IBM is doing with some of their machines), or is this the "hype" you are referring to? Multiple CPUs on one silicon chip sounds cool to me. --Joel From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 10:21:38 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 10:21:38 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 1129 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 10:21:36 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 1125 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 10:21:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 10:21:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7BD8819D00; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:21:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DFE519D26; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:21:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 229F419BDE; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ams002.ftl.affinity.com (lvs00-fl-n02.valueweb.net [216.219.253.98]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46B0719A8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from snail ([218.214.60.54]) by ams.ftl.affinity.com with SMTP id <560343-27898>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:19:49 -0500 Message-ID: <002401c3cda9$f408f260$0901a8c0@snail> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20031228195417.14843.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] file name completion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:20:29 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) T9 input on GSM mobiles is kinda neat for sending SMS's. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 10:48:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 10:48:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 2065 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 10:48:30 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 2061 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 10:48:30 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 10:48:30 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7F08E19A78; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F4BC19BD6; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:48:06 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0AD2919B4F; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 556B219BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFBD24FD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:16 -0500 (EST) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EA3AA2B; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 20:47:16 -0500 From: William Josephson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] hyperthreading Message-ID: <20031229014716.GB90937@mero.morphisms.net> References: <1684.67.31.64.75.1072649552.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1684.67.31.64.75.1072649552.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-No-archive: yes Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.0 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 05:12:32PM -0500, Joel Salomon wrote: > ron minnich said: > > hyperthreading: don't waste your time. > > > > hype-r-threading. > > I'm to assume then that hyperthreading is distinct from having multiple > "cores" on a single die (what IBM is doing with some of their machines), > or is this the "hype" you are referring to? Multiple CPUs on one silicon > chip sounds cool to me. Look up the literature on SMT (symetric multithreading). In the case of Intel, the two virtual CPUs do not have the full set of resources available to a single real CPU. The result is a modest improvement in performance for a few specific workloads and has little or negative performance impact on many others (cf. the P4 core generally -- it is a good example of microbenchmarking gone awry in my experience). I have found that with some Unix variants, typically those with underwhelming schedulers for interactive workloads, it helps a bit with keeping the shell and windowing system zippy under load. -WJ From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Mon Dec 29 23:44:31 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Mon Dec 29 23:44:31 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29575 invoked by uid 1020); 29 Dec 2003 23:44:29 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29570 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 23:44:29 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 23:44:29 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AE4B419CA2; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:44:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D994C19CC6; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:44:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A7D23199CF; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3DDB19C9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2003122914425301500qcjq9e>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:42:54 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 7C04746212B; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20031229144245.GA16735@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:42:45 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I am still playing with the gcc port ... It would be very helpful, if Plan9 assembler and loader allow getting the addresses of the labels. The exception handling code is messy enough even without me trying to avoid using label addresses :( Also it would be useful for better implementation of the switch statement, as well as some gcc specific features like __label__ variables. Is there a chance that a patch that implements that will be accepted? Thanks, Lucho From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 01:34:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 01:34:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 338 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 01:34:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 333 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 01:34:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 01:34:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5267119C81; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:34:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79E5019D00; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:34:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0A94919C81; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FB2B19CEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:32:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4422171b01817d32c48ad18edf46762f@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label In-Reply-To: <20031229144245.GA16735@ionkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ibrpuxrlgjkvcozwzmjwellxsp" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:32:51 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ibrpuxrlgjkvcozwzmjwellxsp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it doesn't break anything else, I don't see why not. --upas-ibrpuxrlgjkvcozwzmjwellxsp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 29 09:44:36 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 29 09:44:33 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8208919C16; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:44:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2367719CB5; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:44:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A7D23199CF; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:43:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3DDB19C9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:42:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id <2003122914425301500qcjq9e>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:42:54 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 7C04746212B; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:42:45 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20031229144245.GA16735@ionkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:42:45 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I am still playing with the gcc port ... It would be very helpful, if Plan9 assembler and loader allow getting the addresses of the labels. The exception handling code is messy enough even without me trying to avoid using label addresses :( Also it would be useful for better implementation of the switch statement, as well as some gcc specific features like __label__ variables. Is there a chance that a patch that implements that will be accepted? Thanks, Lucho --upas-ibrpuxrlgjkvcozwzmjwellxsp-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 03:50:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 03:50:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 4913 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 03:50:41 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 4908 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 03:50:40 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 03:50:40 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 075A319C77; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0010F19D2D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:50:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8C49419C77; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.0.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A371119D00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3325 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2003 18:49:39 -0000 Received: from cpe-144-137-120-248.nsw.bigpond.net.au (HELO cc77109e) (144.137.120.248) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 29 Dec 2003 18:49:39 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c3ce3d$28079ba0$8201a8c0@cc77109e> From: "Bruce Ellis" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20031229144245.GA16735@ionkov.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label Organization: www.chunder.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:54:10 +1100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) you can do this with the current ?a and ?l. just go crazy working out what the TEXT directive actually does. there is no need for it to be only used at the beginning of a function. brucee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Latchesar Ionkov" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:42 AM Subject: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label > Hi, > > I am still playing with the gcc port ... > > It would be very helpful, if Plan9 assembler and loader allow getting the > addresses of the labels. The exception handling code is messy enough even > without me trying to avoid using label addresses :( Also it would be useful > for better implementation of the switch statement, as well as some gcc > specific features like __label__ variables. > > Is there a chance that a patch that implements that will be accepted? > > Thanks, > Lucho From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 04:10:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 04:10:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5744 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 04:10:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5740 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 04:10:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 04:10:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A3D4E19BE8; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:10:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25FB819CB8; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:10:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E88E519B22; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:09:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20C62199E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBTLIF601550 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:18:15 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:18:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <6197.192.11.226.116.1072732695.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] Boot floppy Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:18:15 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_MIMEOLE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_IN_NJABL,X_NJABL_OPEN_PROXY version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hi, I managed to setup a plan9 CPU/Auth/fs server (with kfs). I wanted to make a boot floppy for diskless workstation. If I remember correctly, I used to derive the contents of the floppy from the Plan 9 installation floppy. Looks like that method doesnt work anymore. All I am trying to do is make a floppy that loads PBS, recognizes ethernet card (i82557), sends DHCP (or bootp?) request and gets boot paramaters and then loads the image from p9 server. As you can see, this is kind-of the usual way it is done. I think I setup the p9 server correctly. What is needed is a way to make the right boot floppy. Any pointers? If not, if I keep 9pcdisk in the floppy itself, will it work? Do I have to specify IP address of workstation itself, fs and auth machines in the floppy itself? How do I do it? I remeber there used to be a long line with these details but I dont think 'man plan9.ini' deals with it. Any pointers? Thanks in advance. Regards dharani From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 04:15:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 04:15:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 5882 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 04:15:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 5878 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 04:15:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 04:15:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B6CC719C0B; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:15:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9791619D0F; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:15:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9C53B19C20; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1945019B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:14:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: vdharani@infernopark.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Boot floppy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:14:23 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) The following should be enough to make a boot floppy: disk/format -b /386/pbs -df /dev/fd0disk /386/9load /tmp/plan9.ini Just make sure that /tmp/plan9.ini has ether0=type= bootfile=ether0 in it. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 07:28:52 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 07:28:52 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 13593 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 07:28:47 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 13589 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 07:28:46 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 07:28:46 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E2B0319CB5; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:28:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA5A119D39; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:28:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1D84A19C3C; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:27:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3022319B41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBTMRL8R017217 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:27:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBTMRK7Q007323 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:27:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id hBTMRKe11993 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:27:20 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312292227.hBTMRKe11993@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) Subject: [9fans] no support? diamond fire gl 1000 pro Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:27:20 +0100 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) (based on 3dlabs permedia 2 chip) Just checking: not supported, right? Axel. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 08:04:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 08:04:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 14742 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 08:04:35 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 14737 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 08:04:35 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 08:04:35 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AEF4719D2D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:04:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E844119D45; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:04:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2151419D2D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75A5219D42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20031229230342016008tii8e>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:03:43 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id E9C8D46212B; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label Message-ID: <20031229230325.GA18194@ionkov.net> References: <20031229144245.GA16735@ionkov.net> <002f01c3ce3d$28079ba0$8201a8c0@cc77109e> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002f01c3ce3d$28079ba0$8201a8c0@cc77109e> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:25 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 05:54:10AM +1100, Bruce Ellis said: > you can do this with the current ?a and ?l. > just go crazy working out what the TEXT > directive actually does. there is no need > for it to be only used at the beginning of > a function. Is there any guarantee that the TEXT symbols will be laid out in the order they appear in the file? Also, if I remember correctly there are some checks if PUSH/POP instructions are balanced (which I currently disabled). I am sure that making some labels TEXT directives will break it even further ... Thanks, Lucho > > brucee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Latchesar Ionkov" > To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:42 AM > Subject: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label > > > > Hi, > > > > I am still playing with the gcc port ... > > > > It would be very helpful, if Plan9 assembler and loader allow getting the > > addresses of the labels. The exception handling code is messy enough even > > without me trying to avoid using label addresses :( Also it would be useful > > for better implementation of the switch statement, as well as some gcc > > specific features like __label__ variables. > > > > Is there a chance that a patch that implements that will be accepted? > > > > Thanks, > > Lucho From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 11:00:41 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 11:00:41 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 21743 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 11:00:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 21739 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 11:00:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 11:00:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B673D19D55; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:00:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0F5619D58; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:00:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EF9F219D45; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:59:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 099E919D50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:59:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1e8a304212c5eefd284f3added9d6816@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label In-Reply-To: <20031229230325.GA18194@ionkov.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-wgcejuzjoviunuxypsjzgllgmb" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:59:44 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-wgcejuzjoviunuxypsjzgllgmb Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was going to suggest TEXT originally and then thought better of it mostly because 1) we haven't been very clear about what that second argument does 2) how much code reordering the linkers will do However, once you've figured out (1) for the particular architecture you're working with, you can avoid (2) by doing: jmp x TEXT x, $0 blah bah blah Not elegant but servicable. --upas-wgcejuzjoviunuxypsjzgllgmb Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 29 18:04:31 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 29 18:04:28 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5600919D4A; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1694C19D2D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:04:13 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2151419D2D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75A5219D42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.38.117.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20031229230342016008tii8e>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:03:43 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id E9C8D46212B; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:25 -0500 (EST) From: Latchesar Ionkov To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label Message-ID: <20031229230325.GA18194@ionkov.net> References: <20031229144245.GA16735@ionkov.net> <002f01c3ce3d$28079ba0$8201a8c0@cc77109e> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002f01c3ce3d$28079ba0$8201a8c0@cc77109e> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:03:25 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_MUTT version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 05:54:10AM +1100, Bruce Ellis said: > you can do this with the current ?a and ?l. > just go crazy working out what the TEXT > directive actually does. there is no need > for it to be only used at the beginning of > a function. Is there any guarantee that the TEXT symbols will be laid out in the order they appear in the file? Also, if I remember correctly there are some checks if PUSH/POP instructions are balanced (which I currently disabled). I am sure that making some labels TEXT directives will break it even further ... Thanks, Lucho > > brucee > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Latchesar Ionkov" > To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 1:42 AM > Subject: [9fans] 8a: getting the address of a label > > > > Hi, > > > > I am still playing with the gcc port ... > > > > It would be very helpful, if Plan9 assembler and loader allow getting the > > addresses of the labels. The exception handling code is messy enough even > > without me trying to avoid using label addresses :( Also it would be useful > > for better implementation of the switch statement, as well as some gcc > > specific features like __label__ variables. > > > > Is there a chance that a patch that implements that will be accepted? > > > > Thanks, > > Lucho --upas-wgcejuzjoviunuxypsjzgllgmb-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 12:12:39 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 12:12:39 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24201 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 12:12:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24197 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 12:12:37 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 12:12:37 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1547A19B9F; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:12:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CFF819C71; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:12:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8FA1019A0D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from bache.ece.cmu.edu (BACHE.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.129.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1369719C0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix, from userid 953) id DD1F097; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.2.68.245] (MUNG.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.68.245]) by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5C892 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:10:42 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: suspect@suspicious.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: [9fans] libfmt/libutf and long double Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:10:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, I've run into a behavior with libfmt/libutf on UNIX system that does not seem intuitive: long double ldv = 3.3; print("long double var = %llE\n", ldv); gives: long double var = -6.257775E+92 Identical code under Plan 9 gives the expected output of: long double var = 3.300000E+00 Is there any particular reason why the behaviors should differ in this manner ? cheers, From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Tue Dec 30 12:31:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Tue Dec 30 12:31:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 24795 invoked by uid 1020); 30 Dec 2003 12:31:39 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 24791 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2003 12:31:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 30 Dec 2003 12:31:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8E87119BC7; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 087DA19CB5; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:31:15 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2275919A0D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3592E19C0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:30:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] libfmt/libutf and long double In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-gubhrurouoburxcpkbnfswsbto" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:30:44 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-gubhrurouoburxcpkbnfswsbto Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could it be that we don't know squat about long double? At least in our plan9 ape library, we just assume that the 'E' arg is a double and don't look at the ll flags. I don't know about the Unix libfmt. Look at __efgfmt in fltfmt.c and see what the expected arg is. --upas-gubhrurouoburxcpkbnfswsbto Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Mon Dec 29 22:12:36 EST 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Mon Dec 29 22:12:33 EST 2003 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EF6BF19C76; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:12:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DCB6819C03; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:12:12 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8FA1019A0D; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:11:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from bache.ece.cmu.edu (BACHE.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.129.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1369719C0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix, from userid 953) id DD1F097; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:11:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [128.2.68.245] (MUNG.WV.CC.cmu.edu [128.2.68.245]) by bache.ece.cmu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5C892 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:10:42 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: suspect@suspicious.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: [9fans] libfmt/libutf and long double Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:10:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Hello, I've run into a behavior with libfmt/libutf on UNIX system that does not seem intuitive: long double ldv = 3.3; print("long double var = %llE\n", ldv); gives: long double var = -6.257775E+92 Identical code under Plan 9 gives the expected output of: long double var = 3.300000E+00 Is there any particular reason why the behaviors should differ in this manner ? cheers, --upas-gubhrurouoburxcpkbnfswsbto-- From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 31 08:24:44 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 31 08:24:44 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31430 invoked by uid 1020); 31 Dec 2003 08:24:42 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31426 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 08:24:42 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 08:24:42 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BDEDD19D8D; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:24:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68A6F19B4D; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:24:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B645119B4D; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:23:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from gh-mail.centurytel.net (gh-mail.centurytel.net [209.206.160.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD3EB19D92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:23:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from laptopvmw.9netics.com (adsl-64-91-109-37.centurytel.net [64.91.109.37] (may be forged)) by gh-mail.centurytel.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBUNNTRR003802 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:23:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <57673535a1e09ea46f3039f026933f4a@centurytel.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Skip Tavakkolian" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [9fans] off topic: Computer simulation online museum Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:23:35 -0800 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Last week, probably under the influence of pain killers for a minor surgery I had, a grand idea occurred to me: "Wouldn't it be neat to have an online museum where you could run programs on old computers?", I thought. Guessing that the medication might have something to do with this -- thoughts this brilliant don't occur to me all that often -- I filed it away for reconsideration later, when I felt like my old self. So I started googling today and I came across this: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ Given that it is the end of the year, a time for introspection, it is good to see where we've been. Incidentally, I see some of the regulars on this list are also contributors to the effort. Maybe it was the medication, maybe it wasn't ☺ Happy New Year From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 31 10:55:40 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 31 10:55:40 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 3707 invoked by uid 1020); 31 Dec 2003 10:55:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 3702 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 10:55:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 10:55:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D5F1919BAF; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3203E19D94; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:55:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 55FB019BAF; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B493419C32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:54:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] links and select, perfect together Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:54:40 -0500 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Fixed yet another bug in select that would break links. Sources updated with new /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/{_buf.c,lib.h}, and /386/lib/ape/libap.a. From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 31 22:48:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 31 22:48:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 29798 invoked by uid 1020); 31 Dec 2003 22:48:40 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 29794 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 22:48:39 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 22:48:39 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 235A119BA1; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4874719C41; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:48:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C57B119BAA; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:47:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DEF719BA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:47:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBVDksER005699 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:46:56 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBVDkoml005698 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:46:50 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] links and select, perfect together Message-ID: <20031231154649.X25949@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from David Presotto on Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 08:54:40PM -0500 Organization: Proxima Research & Development Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:46:50 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 08:54:40PM -0500, David Presotto wrote: > > Fixed yet another bug in select that would break links. Sources updated with > new /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/{_buf.c,lib.h}, and /386/lib/ape/libap.a. The binary at http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/links-386.gz is empty (zero length). I'm not complaining, but if it is not intentional, it probably deserves fixing :-) ++L From cse.psu.edu!9fans-admin Wed Dec 31 23:33:42 JST 2003 remote from ar Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.3]) by ar; Wed Dec 31 23:33:42 JST 2003 Received: (qmail 31226 invoked by uid 1020); 31 Dec 2003 23:33:38 +0900 Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: (qmail 31222 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2003 23:33:38 +0900 Received: from niscan1.aichi-u.ac.jp (HELO mail.cse.psu.edu) (202.16.124.100) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp with SMTP; 31 Dec 2003 23:33:38 +0900 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 340B619CEB; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:33:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D37F319B41; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:33:14 -0500 (EST) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2DD4C19B25; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:32:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8236219B41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:32:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBVEWfER005863 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:32:42 +0200 (SAST) Received: (from lucio@localhost) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3/Submit) id hBVEWfnk005862 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:32:41 +0200 (SAST) From: Lucio De Re To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <20031231163240.Z25949@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mail-Followup-To: 9fans mailing list <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Organization: Proxima Research & Development Subject: [9fans] /sys/src/cmd/chmod.c Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:32:40 +0200 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) This struck me, looking at recent changes to chmod(1) which allow one to flag a file as "not to be included in nightly archives": for(; *s ; s++){ switch(*s){ case 'r': mode |= A(DMREAD); break; case 'w': mode |= A(DMWRITE); break; case 'x': mode |= A(DMEXEC); break; case 'a': mode |= DMAPPEND; break; case 'l': mode |= DMEXCL; break; case 't': mode |= DMTMP; break; default: return 0; } } if(*s != 0) return 0; I can't see how *s can be non-zero on exit from the for loop. Is my C programming _so_ rusty?! ++L