From boyd@insultant.net Sat May 1 01:42:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 1 00:17:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d26812e_9ab9_11d8_9f5b_00304828b574_7229; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:17:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D709344BEF for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:17:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8cedb402_9ab9_11d8_9a52_00304828b574_7226; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:17:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 067D37580FA; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:17:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15007580F9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:17:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8cad7ae0_9ab9_11d8_8019_00304828b574_7222; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:17:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86B2344BEF for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:17:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c04a0aa_9ab9_11d8_9a24_00304828b574_7217; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:17:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 585201A215; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D3B81A20F; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:17:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3DEAF1A20D; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15B691A1C2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.227.160]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E554067344 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:16:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001801c42ec5$ae588b90$a0e37d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] pic(1) question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:13:23 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Is there a way of using from pic an external graphic and > place it within the pic drawing? err, you could do troff tricks. pic ... | filter | troff but it would be a hack. in the '80's there was a blit gui for pic called cip, but i think it was pretty much regarded as a toy iirc. i haven't looked at pic for a _very long time_. From sape@huygens.org Sat May 1 01:42:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 1 00:20:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4a46528_9ab9_11d8_8e31_00304828b574_9554; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:20:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C986A344C06 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:20:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f472d6e8_9ab9_11d8_8a4f_00304828b574_9551; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:20:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AB3707580FA; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:20:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62DC87580F9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:20:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f432bdba_9ab9_11d8_9636_00304828b574_9548; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:20:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFB9344C06 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:20:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f38a7f88_9ab9_11d8_914b_00304828b574_9545; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:20:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E22BA1A21D; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27D9D1A20C; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:20:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B68631A20C; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0BE41A20F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pic(1) question From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:19:43 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Is there a way of using from pic an external graphic and > place it within the pic drawing? Yes, I think there is. Look at /sys/lib/tmac/tmac.pictures It has macros to include postscript into troff documents (that must produce postscript too). You can call them between .PS and .PE, but you'll probably have to do some experimentation to get the result you want. The .BP and .EP macros can produce some curious side effects. Sape From boyd@insultant.net Sat May 1 01:42:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 1 00:21:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 040c79d8_9aba_11d8_8989_00304828b574_10312; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:21:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8941C344C0E for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:21:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 03c9d63c_9aba_11d8_866e_00304828b574_10299; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:21:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 741F67580FA; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:21:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EAE7580F9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:21:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0381ed5e_9aba_11d8_9abf_00304828b574_10265; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:21:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225AE344C0E for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 00:21:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 02d25d30_9aba_11d8_9b81_00304828b574_10193; Sat, 01 May 2004 00:21:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3C4351A222; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10D1A1A21E; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:21:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CBD3D1A212; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4B641A20F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.227.160]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CA4D67325 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:19:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004301c42ec6$3546c810$a0e37d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pic(1) question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:17:10 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > i haven't looked at pic for a _very long time_. having said that, maybe you can do troff tricks inside the pic? From taj.khattra@pobox.com Sat May 1 01:42:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 1 01:10:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f317eb9c_9ac0_11d8_91cf_00304828b574_20983; Sat, 01 May 2004 01:10:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2F53455C8 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 01:10:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2e5e2f0_9ac0_11d8_9249_00304828b574_20980; Sat, 01 May 2004 01:10:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8EEE57580FA; Sat, 1 May 2004 01:10:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4377C7580F9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 01:10:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2a52166_9ac0_11d8_936d_00304828b574_20977; Sat, 01 May 2004 01:10:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB2E3455C8 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 01:10:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1fc4ae6_9ac0_11d8_8d1f_00304828b574_20974; Sat, 01 May 2004 01:10:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 396071A21E; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60E431A1E9; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:10:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2D7501A20C; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound03.telus.net [199.185.220.222]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98AA1199B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 12:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([66.183.152.252]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.00.05.02 201-2115-109-103-20031105) with ESMTP id <20040430160915.DURV26642.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@localhost.localdomain> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:09:15 -0600 Received: (qmail 2092 invoked by uid 500); 30 Apr 2004 16:09:22 -0000 From: Taj Khattra To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pic(1) question Message-ID: <20040430160922.GA2085@localhost.localdomain> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 09:09:22 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Yes, I think there is. Look at > /sys/lib/tmac/tmac.pictures and for examples using tmac.pictures, see sam.ms, 8=C2=BD.ms and acme.ms in /sys/doc/ From rattan@cps.cmich.edu Sat May 1 23:06:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 1 21:46:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f613308_9b6d_11d8_92a1_00304828b574_20878; Sat, 01 May 2004 21:46:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E72B344A4C for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:46:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f2bfe68_9b6d_11d8_807d_00304828b574_20875; Sat, 01 May 2004 21:46:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A4D47580FB; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:46:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E542B7580F9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:46:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ef18d00_9b6d_11d8_8343_00304828b574_20871; Sat, 01 May 2004 21:46:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D68344A4C for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:46:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e3c16aa_9b6d_11d8_9a26_00304828b574_20865; Sat, 01 May 2004 21:46:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3FEF119F80; Sat, 1 May 2004 08:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE9CB19F50; Sat, 1 May 2004 08:46:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5FA6E19CC1; Sat, 1 May 2004 08:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ob1.cmich.edu (ob1.cmich.edu [141.209.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CD1819F57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 08:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by ob1.cmich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i41CgcIk013896 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 08:42:40 -0400 Received: from cps223.cps.cmich.edu (cps223.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.223]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1411D2809 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 08:45:37 -0400 (EDT) From: I RATTAN To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Rtl8139 NIC detection.. In-Reply-To: <200404291254.i3TCsSu28256@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: References: <200404291254.i3TCsSu28256@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Spam-Score: -0.9 () X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0003 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 08:45:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Hello, I did recompile the kernel but no luck. Is there a trick to /sys/src/9/pc/pcf file entry for rtl8139, as it stands it reads like: ... link ... ether8139 ... does it need the keyword 'pci' after this?? Thanks in advance, -ishwar On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Richard C Bilson wrote: > > I am trying to install Plan 9 on a celeron box with rtl-8139-10BaseT > > ether card. The system installs, looks like rtl is detected during > > boot but is not available after that. I did not find an entry > > in 9fat plan9.ini too. What is the correct incantation plan9.ini > > entry of this card (I am assuming that it is supported)? > > This sounds familliar... > > The last time I installed, which was about a year ago, the 8139 was > built in to 9load but not into the actual kernel, producing the > symptoms you describe. I'd try building a new kernel, making sure that > it has the 8139 driver. > > Once I had a proper kernel, I didn't have to do anything to plan9.ini. > From russcox@gmail.com Sat May 1 23:06:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 1 23:01:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc349d8a_9b77_11d8_9e03_00304828b574_18530; Sat, 01 May 2004 23:01:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD28C3451CB for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:01:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbfb1240_9b77_11d8_8bea_00304828b574_18527; Sat, 01 May 2004 23:01:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B8A3E7580FA; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:01:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B907580F9 for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:01:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbad9bd2_9b77_11d8_81a1_00304828b574_18468; Sat, 01 May 2004 23:01:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6478F3451CB for ; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:01:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb0263de_9b77_11d8_86a9_00304828b574_18376; Sat, 01 May 2004 23:01:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B5A2619C57; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78C5619B2B; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:00:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A1C2D19C9B; Sat, 1 May 2004 09:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B2DB719B3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 09:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 75so26151rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 01 May 2004 06:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.60 with SMTP id v60mr77408cwb; Sat, 01 May 2004 06:59:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Russ Cox To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Rtl8139 NIC detection.. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200404291254.i3TCsSu28256@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 09:59:01 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: What does the "pci" command say when you run it? From ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Sun May 2 02:14:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 00:40:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e68b9476_9b85_11d8_9ef2_00304828b574_3299; Sun, 02 May 2004 00:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A154344BCF for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 00:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e658c190_9b85_11d8_8bc6_00304828b574_3296; Sun, 02 May 2004 00:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5E61D7580FA; Sun, 2 May 2004 00:40:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192367580F9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 00:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e61c14b6_9b85_11d8_9781_00304828b574_3293; Sun, 02 May 2004 00:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6B5344BCF for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 00:40:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e5684774_9b85_11d8_86de_00304828b574_3290; Sun, 02 May 2004 00:40:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BABC719D8F; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B78A019B99; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:40:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6260419C16; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ob1.cmich.edu (ob1.cmich.edu [141.209.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2104419C59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by ob1.cmich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i41FaXIk014299 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:36:33 -0400 Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.169.81]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDF327EA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 11:39:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Ishwar Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Rtl8139 NIC detection.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <200404291254.i3TCsSu28256@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Spam-Score: -0.9 () X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0004 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 11:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: output of pci command -ishwar -- term% pci 0.0.0: 06.00.00 8086/7190 0 0.1.0: 06.04.00 8086/7191 0 0.11.0: 03.00.00 5333/8811 11 0:e6000000 8368808 0.15.0: 02.00.00 10ec/8139 10 0:0000d401 256 1:e6800000 256 0.19.0: 01.80.00 1103/0004 11 0:0000d801 16 1:0000dc01 16 4:0000e001 256 0.19.1: 01.80.00 1103/0004 11 0:0000e401 16 1:0000e801 16 4:0000ec01 256 0.7.0: 06.01.00 8086/7110 0 0.7.1: 01.01.80 8086/7111 0 4:0000f001 16 0.7.2: 0c.03.00 8086/7112 5 4:0000d001 32 0.7.3: 06.80.00 8086/7113 0 -- A On Sat, 1 May 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > What does the "pci" command say when you run it? > From rminnich@lanl.gov Sun May 2 02:14:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 01:21:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99ead7c0_9b8b_11d8_843e_00304828b574_5953; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:21:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B6C344B9D for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99b27ad8_9b8b_11d8_80b2_00304828b574_5950; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C38DD7580F9; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:21:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791507580FA for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9977677c_9b8b_11d8_8d08_00304828b574_5947; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87391344B9D for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:21:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98c8e4fe_9b8b_11d8_8bb2_00304828b574_5943; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:21:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1101D19CE5; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4645519CE5; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:21:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4DA9219B4C; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EAE319B3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i41GK6ik007575 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:20:06 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i41GK6Q8020251 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:20:06 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i41GK6wO008505 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 10:20:06 -0600 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Subject: [9fans] T21 time oddness Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 10:20:05 -0600 (MDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: This question has been mentioned before and I noticed it has not gone away. I have a T21 running the latest kernel. At some point the screen blanks. When I hit the eraser-head mouse button, the screen comes back, and then I run this: date; sleep 5; date I find that it is running about 5x real time: sleep 5 takes one second, and the date commands show 5 seconds apart, although one second has passed. Did anyone else ever resolve this? I know it came up. ron From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Sun May 2 02:14:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 01:25:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26a4d378_9b8c_11d8_9b37_00304828b574_8985; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:25:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F316E344BA8 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 266e55fa_9b8c_11d8_9b90_00304828b574_8982; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D76657580FA; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:25:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913267580F9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2631324c_9b8c_11d8_8995_00304828b574_8979; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F631344BA8 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:25:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2582d904_9b8c_11d8_9c80_00304828b574_8976; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 34F3019E05; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B094019CE5; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:25:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B987919CE5; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C329419B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a91b7c59453f3bf4dcd3fb3437611db@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Rtl8139 NIC detection.. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:24:36 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: that all looks fine. a recent change to the driver was to time out on the initial hardware reset. this was due to some systems coming up with the chip in deep sleep mode and the reset code would loop forever (as an aside i have the code to take chips out of sleep mode if necessary, but it's not distributed yet). perhaps the timout is too short. put some prints in here static int rtl8139reset(Ctlr* ctlr) { int timeo; /* * Soft reset the controller. */ csr8w(ctlr, Cr, Rst); for(timeo = 0; timeo < 1000; timeo++){ if(!(csr8r(ctlr, Cr) & Rst)) return 0; delay(1); } return -1; } and try it. --jim On Sat May 1 11:40:42 EDT 2004, ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu wrote: > output of pci command > > -ishwar > -- > term% pci > 0.0.0: 06.00.00 8086/7190 0 > 0.1.0: 06.04.00 8086/7191 0 > 0.11.0: 03.00.00 5333/8811 11 0:e6000000 8368808 > 0.15.0: 02.00.00 10ec/8139 10 0:0000d401 256 1:e6800000 256 > 0.19.0: 01.80.00 1103/0004 11 0:0000d801 16 1:0000dc01 16 4:0000e001 256 > 0.19.1: 01.80.00 1103/0004 11 0:0000e401 16 1:0000e801 16 4:0000ec01 256 > 0.7.0: 06.01.00 8086/7110 0 > 0.7.1: 01.01.80 8086/7111 0 4:0000f001 16 > 0.7.2: 0c.03.00 8086/7112 5 4:0000d001 32 > 0.7.3: 06.80.00 8086/7113 0 > -- > A > On Sat, 1 May 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > > > What does the "pci" command say when you run it? > > From bwc@coraid.com Sun May 2 02:14:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 01:44:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d8748f38_9b8e_11d8_9960_00304828b574_24077; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:44:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6BA3448C4 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:44:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d72b376c_9b8e_11d8_931e_00304828b574_24070; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:44:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1A5E8758104; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:44:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7B4758102 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:44:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d62cee96_9b8e_11d8_93a2_00304828b574_24054; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:44:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CB83443D1 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 01:44:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd94cf2e_9b8e_11d8_8988_00304828b574_23954; Sun, 02 May 2004 01:44:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1DB4619E09; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31E0419D2E; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:44:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2C63B19C77; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edsac.borf.com (unknown [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33EF819DE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 12:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Where's the GA622 driver? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 12:34:52 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Where's the driver for the DP83820? I've got some netgear 622T cards. Also, has anyone done a driver for the GA311 net gear? It appears to have an RTL8169S. Brantley From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Sun May 2 02:14:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 02:01:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f47571c_9b91_11d8_867d_00304828b574_5327; Sun, 02 May 2004 02:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018FF3443BB for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 02:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f1721aa_9b91_11d8_8f86_00304828b574_5324; Sun, 02 May 2004 02:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D88D07580FA; Sun, 2 May 2004 02:01:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BD87580F9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 02:01:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ed8065a_9b91_11d8_8ff4_00304828b574_5321; Sun, 02 May 2004 02:01:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B773443BB for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 02:01:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e2fef2e_9b91_11d8_96e4_00304828b574_5318; Sun, 02 May 2004 02:01:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D1B3819E0A; Sat, 1 May 2004 13:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D434219D2E; Sat, 1 May 2004 13:01:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9AD9E19D5B; Sat, 1 May 2004 13:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BF8719C73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 13:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55d65c4c14aa666aa1a2e45fb4eff8f8@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Where's the GA622 driver? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:00:49 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: i've put etherdp83820.c on sources. i haven't looked at it much since i wrote it. it needs tuning, which would be appreciated. From bwc@coraid.com Mon May 3 22:04:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 04:43:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d26751d4_9ba7_11d8_8e65_00304828b574_12331; Sun, 02 May 2004 04:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958993452B0 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 04:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d2371622_9ba7_11d8_9e83_00304828b574_12328; Sun, 02 May 2004 04:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 782AF7580FA; Sun, 2 May 2004 04:43:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316FE7580F9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 04:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1f881e6_9ba7_11d8_9bbb_00304828b574_12325; Sun, 02 May 2004 04:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5DB3452B0 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 04:43:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1518300_9ba7_11d8_9525_00304828b574_12322; Sun, 02 May 2004 04:43:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A5F7A19C05; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37C0B19C05; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:43:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2A4CF19B6D; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edsac.borf.com (unknown [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 898C119B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8921ca0415e8450d1e5ada7f5efdb141@borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] dp83820.c needs compat.h Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 15:41:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Can't seem to find compat.h on sources. Anyone seen it? Jim? From boyd@insultant.net Mon May 3 22:04:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 05:00:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e9ee360_9baa_11d8_9285_00304828b574_29535; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF743442AF for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e67b016_9baa_11d8_867c_00304828b574_29532; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 09C807580FA; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:00:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C4C7580F9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:00:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e2e9452_9baa_11d8_90c6_00304828b574_29529; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:00:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2903442AF for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:00:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d8419be_9baa_11d8_95fc_00304828b574_29525; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:00:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 665AB19EC6; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FC7319E39; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:00:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 77BE019DBD; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CFEA19E17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.227.160]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02A27379BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:59:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <033801c42fb6$59fb47d0$a0e37d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <8921ca0415e8450d1e5ada7f5efdb141@borf.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] dp83820.c needs compat.h MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:56:08 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Can't seem to find compat.h on sources. Anyone seen it? Jim? brahma% 9fs sources !Adding key: dom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 user[boyd]: password: ! brahma% cd /n/sources/plan9 brahma% du -a | grep compat.h 4 ./sys/src/cmd/vnc/compat.h 2 ./sys/src/fs/pc/compat.h brahma% QED From bwc@coraid.com Mon May 3 22:04:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 05:03:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c57eef2_9baa_11d8_9d39_00304828b574_31746; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:03:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAA63443A9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:03:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bfd123e_9baa_11d8_891b_00304828b574_31743; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:03:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F2FB07580FA; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:03:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C397580F9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:03:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b8829e2_9baa_11d8_86e6_00304828b574_31740; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:03:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2911B3443A9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:03:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ab3c1ac_9baa_11d8_935f_00304828b574_31736; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:03:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 45BBA19E2C; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F406C19E78; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:03:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3607519E2C; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edsac.borf.com (unknown [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2A2419E2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6cdd9f7993487e23fe974131189cb78a@borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dp83820.c needs compat.h From: Brantley Coile In-Reply-To: <033801c42fb6$59fb47d0$a0e37d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-jlisaxhcknydbaqurnuumtcurd" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 16:02:33 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-jlisaxhcknydbaqurnuumtcurd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do I use that one in /sys/src/9/pc? --upas-jlisaxhcknydbaqurnuumtcurd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4DCC519EA3; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECDAF19E2C; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:00:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 77BE019DBD; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CFEA19E17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 15:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.227.160]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02A27379BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 21:59:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <033801c42fb6$59fb47d0$a0e37d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <8921ca0415e8450d1e5ada7f5efdb141@borf.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] dp83820.c needs compat.h MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 21:56:08 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Can't seem to find compat.h on sources. Anyone seen it? Jim? brahma% 9fs sources !Adding key: dom=outside.plan9.bell-labs.com proto=p9sk1 user[boyd]: password: ! brahma% cd /n/sources/plan9 brahma% du -a | grep compat.h 4 ./sys/src/cmd/vnc/compat.h 2 ./sys/src/fs/pc/compat.h brahma% QED --upas-jlisaxhcknydbaqurnuumtcurd-- From geoff@collyer.net Mon May 3 22:04:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 2 05:16:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6be9c5c2_9bac_11d8_8703_00304828b574_9254; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:16:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1BB344C8E for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:16:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6bb4da2e_9bac_11d8_9f1c_00304828b574_9251; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:16:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C7B177580FA; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:16:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EE17580F9 for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:16:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b4db6c8_9bac_11d8_93d6_00304828b574_9248; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:16:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8336B344C8E for ; Sun, 2 May 2004 05:16:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6aa574ea_9bac_11d8_91b6_00304828b574_9245; Sun, 02 May 2004 05:16:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D6CFF19F3F; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3033119ECC; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:16:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0BAB519EAF; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [198.144.194.254]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D21D219E6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 16:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0d35adc250b2b78ef5fe857ce7668c8f@collyer.net> From: Geoff Collyer To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dp83820.c needs compat.h In-Reply-To: <8921ca0415e8450d1e5ada7f5efdb141@borf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 13:15:47 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: compat.h is mine and should be in the 9fans archive, but i'll send it privately. 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2 May 2004 00:58:46 -0000 Message-ID: <40944BA6.7090506@chunder.com> From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "9fans@cse.psu.edu" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] new 8c Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:15:18 +1000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: update to vlong 8c at ... http://www.chunder.com/plan9/ thanks to jmk (and others) for testing. brucee From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Mon May 3 22:04:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sun, 2 May 2004 12:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28a01cb4_9beb_11d8_87c4_00304828b574_21692; Sun, 02 May 2004 12:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF25219E63; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4416019C5F; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:45:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CFE5819BC2; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00BB819B7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 1 May 2004 23:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] dp83820.c needs compat.h In-Reply-To: <54e7546a5ad9c9c6332e92869ed7800c@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 23:44:00 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: sorry, i assumed the etherdp83820.c in /sys/src/9/pc was the one i had done and would would compile ok. it wasn't, someone had updated it and didn't check it would compile. there may be things in the one i put on sources earlier that are better than what i had, but in the meantime i've replaced it with one that doesn't need compat.h. i had to go to a greek wedding. 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How do I remove the write protection ,disk/kfscmd allow doesnt work ? /Michael Grunditz From dodger2051@free.fr Mon May 3 22:04:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 3 04:07:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 06cf7cb6_9c6c_11d8_8e83_00304828b574_13192; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:07:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91721344222 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:07:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 066d71c4_9c6c_11d8_8c7a_00304828b574_13178; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:07:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6F418758105; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:07:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC90758109 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:07:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 02d2ecec_9c6c_11d8_88a9_00304828b574_13097; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:07:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38291344C5F for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 03:52:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da971d9a_9c69_11d8_9ccb_00304828b574_29023; Mon, 03 May 2004 03:52:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 030F11A0EA; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6D8A1A0C4; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:52:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3D35D1A0C6; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 203C119EE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dodger.fake.net (lns-th2-4f-81-56-242-86.adsl.proxad.net [81.56.242.86]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62D3B99708 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 20:51:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dodger by dodger.fake.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKM4O-0000KV-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 02 May 2004 20:52:08 +0200 From: Olivier Pernet To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: <20040502205205.43522de5.dodger2051@free.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__2_May_2004_20_52_05_+0200_9CB72HX+vhQYkpfK" Subject: [9fans] Video problems when installing Plan 9 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:52:05 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: --Signature=_Sun__2_May_2004_20_52_05_+0200_9CB72HX+vhQYkpfK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm trying to install Plan 9 for the first time, but a video display proble= m prevents me from doing anything. When the GUI comes up, I can't see the text without clicking somewhere on t= he lower right corner (?), and should I be able to see it, it recovers itse= lf when I answer the first question. It soon becomes unreadable. Besides, two error messages are printed : echo: write error: unknown interface type echo: write error: ipifc not yet bound to device I tried a large part of the video modes available, including 640x480x8, mon= itor type to "vga". Could you help me tracking what's wrong ? Here is my config : Graphics card : ATI Rage IIc (4MB RAM, if I remember correctly) Monitor : Panasonic Panasync E50i (horizontal sync rate : 30-61 KHz ; verti= cal : 50-120 Hz) PIII 800, 128MB RAM. PS/2 (not Intellimouse) mouse. Installing from the boo= table CD. Audio card : Avance Logic ALS4000 Network adapter : VIA VT8233 Thanks for your help ! ------ Olivier Pernet --- Message sign=E9 avec GPG. 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Public key available at ldap://keyserver.pgp.com or lda= p://pgpg.surfnet.nl:11370 --- We are the knights who say=20 echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=3Daln100%Pln100/snlbx]sbA0D4D465452snlbxq'|dc --Signature=_Sun__2_May_2004_20_52_05_+0200_9CB72HX+vhQYkpfK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAlUNYRdTG8paMSyoRAhUpAJ4lTP9EVz0dIQboPuMu7Z1ya36WAwCfWh0E 0BccGrv2zOMFfbKxe1Rtn5I= =2Wdy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sun__2_May_2004_20_52_05_+0200_9CB72HX+vhQYkpfK-- From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Mon May 3 22:04:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 3 04:08:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09fd3766_9c6c_11d8_913b_00304828b574_13543; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB1A34417F for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09bd469c_9c6c_11d8_9ddf_00304828b574_13536; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8E36B758116; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:08:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABB7758102 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:07:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 04f60ac2_9c6c_11d8_9f04_00304828b574_13138; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:07:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5673441CA for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0995b984_9c6b_11d8_881d_00304828b574_5522; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AB3F61A0F0; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CF151A0F0; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:00:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BE3621A0CC; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rhome.plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3B271A0F0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55652dd415b37c70c383a891d1b2179d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil write protection From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:58:49 -0600 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Hi > > I have done a fossil installation from cd. How do I remove the write > protection ,disk/kfscmd allow doesnt work ? > > /Michael Grunditz connect to the fossil console and do a new srv with -AWP arguments (see the fossilcons man page): % con -l /srv/fscons main: srv -AWP fs2 main: [ctrl+\] >>> q % mount /srv/fs2 /n/boot .... this step is performed automatically by the /dist/replica/network script whenever you do a 'replica/pull', in fact there may be a -AWP-ed console left over in /srv/replica -- try mounting that. add your username (or a special one) to the 'sys' group for trivial system administration edits. almost everything in Plan 9 has group writable permissions. andrey From rm@hamnavoe.com Mon May 3 22:04:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 3 04:48:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id accab2a2_9c71_11d8_936d_00304828b574_13037; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:48:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA878344CA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac79f466_9c71_11d8_9796_00304828b574_13034; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 608C27580FA; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:48:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8FF7580F9 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac21f536_9c71_11d8_9624_00304828b574_13031; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1419F344CA3 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 04:48:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab6e1be2_9c71_11d8_975b_00304828b574_13028; Mon, 03 May 2004 04:48:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F186519C5E; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8327819B89; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BE91E19C0B; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77B6919BBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 15:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] T21 time oddness From: Richard Miller In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 20:47:22 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > I have a T21 running the latest kernel. How recently have you compiled it? My suggested fix is on kernel sources (/sys/src/9/pc/i8253.c), but new kernel binaries haven't been made since then. -- Richard From rminnich@lanl.gov Mon May 3 22:04:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 3 05:01:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b279600_9c73_11d8_960d_00304828b574_23277; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CF1344CC0 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 05:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7af49e12_9c73_11d8_8833_00304828b574_23274; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 661387580FA; Mon, 3 May 2004 05:01:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF997580F9 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 05:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7aa90fc4_9c73_11d8_8f00_00304828b574_23271; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247B5344CC0 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 05:01:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a00938a_9c73_11d8_890a_00304828b574_23268; Mon, 03 May 2004 05:01:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 77DB61A001; Sun, 2 May 2004 16:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D404A19B47; Sun, 2 May 2004 16:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5FB9119A65; Sun, 2 May 2004 16:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 276A919AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i42K0cik018472 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:00:38 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i42K0c31015788 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:00:38 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i42K0cwO023763 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 2 May 2004 14:00:38 -0600 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] T21 time oddness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:00:37 -0600 (MDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: On Sun, 2 May 2004, Richard Miller wrote: > > I have a T21 running the latest kernel. > > How recently have you compiled it? My suggested fix is on kernel sources > (/sys/src/9/pc/i8253.c), but new kernel binaries haven't been made since then. > hmm, thought I had rebuilt recently but I'll do it again. Ron, from the year 2006 From brucee@chunder.com Mon May 3 22:04:51 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 3 07:53:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 85207592_9c8b_11d8_8fa4_00304828b574_3238; Mon, 03 May 2004 07:53:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C7E344E0A for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 07:53:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 84eeb3f4_9c8b_11d8_91dd_00304828b574_3235; Mon, 03 May 2004 07:53:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 152DA7580FA; Mon, 3 May 2004 07:53:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB7D7580F9 for ; Mon, 3 May 2004 07:53:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 84ae30f4_9c8b_11d8_828d_00304828b574_3232; 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2 May 2004 22:38:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO chunder.com) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 2 May 2004 22:38:52 -0000 Message-ID: <40957C6D.90205@chunder.com> From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "9fans@cse.psu.edu" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] 8c again Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 08:55:41 +1000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: yet another 8c vlong update at http://www.chunder.com/plan9/ brucee From brucee@chunder.com Mon May 3 22:04:51 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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3 May 2004 00:42:38 -0000 Message-ID: <40959971.5070508@chunder.com> From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8c again References: <40957C6D.90205@chunder.com> In-Reply-To: <40957C6D.90205@chunder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:59:29 +1000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: oops - i just found some mail from charles reporting another problem. i've fixed it and now there is ya8vu. it has tomorrow's date so i'm not tempted to have more bugs. sorry for the inconvenience. brucee Bruce Ellis wrote: > yet another 8c vlong update at > > http://www.chunder.com/plan9/ > > brucee From DAGwyn@null.net Wed May 5 21:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <001801c42ec5$ae588b90$a0e37d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] pic(1) question Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 09:03:54 GMT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: boyd, rounin wrote: > in the '80's there was a blit gui for pic called cip, but i > think it was pretty much regarded as a toy iirc. There were some scaling problems, but when it was cleaned up we found it to be a useful tool. There are also X11 versions (xpic) and I think xfig has (had?) an option to produce pic format. From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Wed May 5 21:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 4 18:45:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c560fc38_9daf_11d8_82a0_00304828b574_19992; Tue, 04 May 2004 18:45:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A980345048 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 18:45:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c52e3424_9daf_11d8_8c83_00304828b574_19989; Tue, 04 May 2004 18:45:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E29F67580FA; Tue, 4 May 2004 18:45:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972C27580F9 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 18:45:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4ed72e0_9daf_11d8_8d60_00304828b574_19986; Tue, 04 May 2004 18:45:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE66345048 for ; Tue, 4 May 2004 18:45:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4447a14_9daf_11d8_8d05_00304828b574_19981; Tue, 04 May 2004 18:45:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 556CC1A268; Tue, 4 May 2004 05:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B41B219E9A; Tue, 4 May 2004 05:45:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6E08B1A142; Tue, 4 May 2004 05:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cc-smtp3 (mail2.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DF5A219A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 05:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.253.14 by cc-smtp3 (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 04 May 2004 10:44:04 +0100 Received: from larch (netscreen-gateway.snellwilcox.com [192.168.253.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i44BfPIw007454 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 12:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <6808c1e0d9fc091d376ef38764dfe0d9@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pic(1) question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 10:44:05 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: I know little about such things pic(1) but somone did a port of the 2nd edition art(1) to the /dev/draw model, and that can save its images in PIC format I beleive. -Steve From arnold@skeeve.com Wed May 5 21:07:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Tue, 4 May 2004 16:17:05 +0300 Received: (from arnold@localhost) by skeeve.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i44DH4GH008682 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 4 May 2004 16:17:04 +0300 From: Aharon Robbins Message-Id: <200405041317.i44DH4GH008682@skeeve.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] off-topic: wireless ADSL routers and laptop cards? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 16:17:04 +0300 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Greetings. Apologies in advance for the off-topic post, but the folks here tend to know the answer to these kinds of questions... Can anyone recommend a good wireless router for use with ADSL? Also a PCMCIA card to use on a laptop. Linux compatibility is a must; ones for which the driver is already in the stock Linux distribution is a huge plus. I'm currently using Fedora 1. PLEASE REPLY VIA EMAIL. Or at least cc via email; I'll be travelling and won't see the newsgroup regularly. Thanks! Arnold Robbins From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed May 5 21:07:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 5 02:28:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77a99d56_9df0_11d8_93d4_00304828b574_12810; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92D3344A87 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77786b64_9df0_11d8_99f4_00304828b574_12807; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C776F7580FA; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:28:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2F67580F9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77362d30_9df0_11d8_9ff1_00304828b574_12804; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95608344A87 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 768ca29c_9df0_11d8_9cd1_00304828b574_12801; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5D9601A025; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 937E719FD0; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:28:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B6BDA19E37; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B38219BD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i44HRUik016974 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 11:27:30 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i44HRUp9026022 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 11:27:30 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i44HRUwO025805 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 11:27:30 -0600 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Subject: [9fans] My T21 is back in 2004. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:27:29 -0600 (MDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Thanks for the fix, and the fix was indeed in sources, I just missed it. ron From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Wed May 5 21:07:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 5 02:49:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65dab2c4_9df3_11d8_8fe3_00304828b574_29251; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:49:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876E5344AC9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:49:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65a77eea_9df3_11d8_8f5c_00304828b574_29248; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:49:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6BA207580FA; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:49:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15FE77580F9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:49:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65609534_9df3_11d8_92dc_00304828b574_29244; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:49:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C1B344AC9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 02:49:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 64b5b826_9df3_11d8_82b6_00304828b574_29241; Wed, 05 May 2004 02:49:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A7D2F1A04F; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84D991A02D; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:49:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3735719FD0; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4019319E37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 13:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i44HmtCi012665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 19:48:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i44HmttS003548 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 19:48:55 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i44Hmti16403 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 4 May 2004 19:48:55 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200405041748.i44Hmti16403@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut,/8z,z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN,DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M,iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j Subject: [9fans] ports acme: new window appears 'off-window' Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 19:48:55 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: When I create a new window in the ports acme, and I already have a stack of windows that are shrunken to just the tag at the bottom of the column in which the new window is created, the tag of the new window is created probably at the bottom of the stack of tags, which is invisible below the bottom of the acme window, and the mouse is warped to where its resize box would be if the acme window would have been bigger: to a point some 10 lines or so below the bottom of the acme window. I find it somewhat difficult to believe that this is the intended behaviour (at least, I do not find it very practical: first I have to move the mouse to the resize box of the lowest visible tag, and then I have to click multiple times until the tag of the new window I want is finally visible. I have not recently read acme man page or paper, though, I'll admit that righ away.) If it is intended behaviour, just tell me. Otherwise, if I can help to track this down, let me know. Axel. From brucee@chunder.com Wed May 5 21:07:51 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 5 13:57:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1a8f45a_9e50_11d8_89c8_00304828b574_30150; Wed, 05 May 2004 13:57:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEED344E8C for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:57:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c177a2d8_9e50_11d8_8e05_00304828b574_30147; Wed, 05 May 2004 13:57:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A2F807580FA; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:57:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6328C7580F9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:57:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c13d6a0a_9e50_11d8_81b7_00304828b574_30144; Wed, 05 May 2004 13:57:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61577344E8E for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:57:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c08256c0_9e50_11d8_8c32_00304828b574_30133; Wed, 05 May 2004 13:57:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0B85A19F6C; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B01B19D7A; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:57:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0B4D6199E3; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CD35A19E7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 00:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18928 invoked by uid 89); 5 May 2004 04:41:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 5 May 2004 04:41:38 -0000 Message-ID: <409874A2.3050309@chunder.com> From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 8c again References: <40957C6D.90205@chunder.com> <40959971.5070508@chunder.com> In-Reply-To: <40959971.5070508@chunder.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 14:59:14 +1000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: ya8vu. thanks to rog and charles for insisting that i generate correct code. 'twas aux/timesync for those following the saga. brucee Bruce Ellis wrote: > Bruce Ellis wrote: > >> yet another 8c vlong update at >> >> http://www.chunder.com/plan9/ >> >> brucee From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Wed May 5 21:07:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 5 17:29:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53fda43c_9e6e_11d8_9213_00304828b574_14547; Wed, 05 May 2004 17:29:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C24344730 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53c708a0_9e6e_11d8_9746_00304828b574_14544; Wed, 05 May 2004 17:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 829207580FA; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:29:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356E37580F9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5383e9c6_9e6e_11d8_81a5_00304828b574_14541; Wed, 05 May 2004 17:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3881E344730 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52cbf5a0_9e6e_11d8_8a01_00304828b574_14538; Wed, 05 May 2004 17:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4FD1219E4C; Wed, 5 May 2004 04:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4E7219CC7; Wed, 5 May 2004 04:29:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C1B1819BD4; Wed, 5 May 2004 04:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from albatross.ericsson.se (albatross.ericsson.se [193.180.251.49]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10D8D19BE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 04:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esealmw142.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.119]) by albatross.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id i458SPWR008203 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 10:28:26 +0200 (MEST) Received: from esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.121]) by esealmw142.al.sw.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 5 May 2004 10:28:22 +0200 Received: from wsb017.uab.ericsson.se ([134.138.232.116]) by esealnt611.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id KG23G452; Wed, 5 May 2004 10:28:27 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wsb017.uab.ericsson.se (8.10.2+Sun/client-1.3uab4) id i458SMg05888; Wed, 5 May 2004 10:28:22 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <4098A5A5.8030002@ericsson.com> X-Sybari-Trust: 42b3ff9e 08d63d2e 0d57a2e8 00000138 From: Bengt Kleberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040503) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] off-topic: wireless ADSL routers and laptop cards? References: <200405041317.i44DH4GH008682@skeeve.com> In-Reply-To: <200405041317.i44DH4GH008682@skeeve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2004 08:28:22.0352 (UTC) FILETIME=[ED664D00:01C4327A] Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 10:28:21 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Aharon Robbins wrote: > Greetings. > > Apologies in advance for the off-topic post, but the folks here tend > to know the answer to these kinds of questions... > > Can anyone recommend a good wireless router for use with ADSL? i have a netgear wgt626 and it works without fault. there where some problem with my telephone company (that supplies the adsl), since they do not certify netgear products. however, netgear service personel solved the adsl problem for me. bengt From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Wed May 5 21:07:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 5 19:50:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e62b9bc_9e82_11d8_8f81_00304828b574_1228; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:50:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1C834424A for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:50:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0dd62c0e_9e82_11d8_9bd7_00304828b574_1218; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:50:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E5FEC7580FB; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:50:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71A47580FE for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:50:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ce6527e_9e82_11d8_920e_00304828b574_1210; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:50:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC0334477A for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 19:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78171fb6_9e81_11d8_8e9b_00304828b574_29308; Wed, 05 May 2004 19:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 85BDB19F28; Wed, 5 May 2004 06:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 752F119F28; Wed, 5 May 2004 06:46:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id F0A2C19F9E; Wed, 5 May 2004 06:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (mail2.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 90E4019F40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 06:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 05 May 2004 11:45:08 +0100 Received: from larch (netscreen-gateway.snellwilcox.com [192.168.253.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i45CgmIw009772 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 13:42:49 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] arm compiler info Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 11:45:06 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Hi, I'am just taking over a project at work which uses an embedded ARM CPU. I'am told its an ARM 9 TDMI, also known as an ARM 922. Anyone any idea if I could cross compile using the Plan9 arm compiler? Is the arm7 (the compiler) a subset of the arm9? Also this project uses position independant code & data and ELF files, doing a link/load on program startup. I could code aout2elf quite easily but does If the compiler is a non-starter then I may have a go at bringing the arm7 GCC crosscompiler up on the back of dhogs native GCC. I know the better solution is to modify the arm9 compiler but I am still up to my eyes in CIFS in my spare time so I cannot waste work time on playing plan9 compilers (shame). -Steve From brucee@chunder.com Thu May 6 22:19:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 5 22:49:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0aac5d78_9e9b_11d8_911a_00304828b574_24571; Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2383448E3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 22:49:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0a7b04da_9e9b_11d8_8b9f_00304828b574_24568; Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E48C97580FA; Wed, 5 May 2004 22:49:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABAC7580F9 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 22:49:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0a3ce16e_9e9b_11d8_9e67_00304828b574_24565; Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8863448E3 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 22:49:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 097b405e_9e9b_11d8_8660_00304828b574_24562; Wed, 05 May 2004 22:49:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BB1A119F40; Wed, 5 May 2004 09:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A87319CC7; Wed, 5 May 2004 09:49:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1021F19D3F; Wed, 5 May 2004 09:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 555AC19D7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 09:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18030 invoked by uid 89); 5 May 2004 13:33:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 5 May 2004 13:33:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4098F165.5050504@chunder.com> From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] arm compiler info References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 23:51:33 +1000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: it isn't hard to get ELF output, both vl and el have a flag for it so changing 5l is a snarf/paste or too. i'm not aware of the 922 arch but i think getting 5c/5l to accomodate it is not too hard. charles will have something to say i'm sure. brucee [compiler writer seeking work] Steve Simon wrote: > Hi, > > I'am just taking over a project at work which > uses an embedded ARM CPU. I'am told its an ARM 9 TDMI, > also known as an ARM 922. Anyone any idea if I could > cross compile using the Plan9 arm compiler? Is the > arm7 (the compiler) a subset of the arm9? > > Also this project uses position independant code & data > and ELF files, doing a link/load on program startup. I could > code aout2elf quite easily but does > > If the compiler is a non-starter then I may have a go at > bringing the arm7 GCC crosscompiler up on the back > of dhogs native GCC. > > I know the better solution is to modify the arm9 compiler > but I am still up to my eyes in CIFS in my spare time so > I cannot waste work time on playing plan9 compilers (shame). > > -Steve From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu May 6 22:19:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 5 23:05:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 472489ea_9e9d_11d8_8c44_00304828b574_4705; Wed, 05 May 2004 23:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650E83450F4 for ; Wed, 5 May 2004 23:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46e8399a_9e9d_11d8_9374_00304828b574_4702; Wed, 05 May 2004 23:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 508967580FA; 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Wed, 5 May 2004 10:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (mail2.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6E5F419C6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 10:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 05 May 2004 15:04:23 +0100 Received: from larch (netscreen-gateway.snellwilcox.com [192.168.253.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i45G26H4011492 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 17:02:07 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] arm compiler info In-Reply-To: <4098F165.5050504@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 15:04:22 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > [compiler writer seeking work] If twer in my power to give work to professional programmers to write code for plan9... -Steve From boyd@insultant.net Thu May 6 22:19:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 21:25:48 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > If twer in my power to give work to professional > programmers to write code for plan9... tell me about it ... From ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Thu May 6 22:19:31 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 6 05:45:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26629962_9ed5_11d8_90e0_00304828b574_14928; Thu, 06 May 2004 05:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540F5344B9D for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 05:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26314538_9ed5_11d8_9069_00304828b574_14924; Thu, 06 May 2004 05:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 35DE67580FA; Thu, 6 May 2004 05:45:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF51A7580F9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 05:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25efbb2c_9ed5_11d8_8f47_00304828b574_14921; Thu, 06 May 2004 05:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4F9344B9D for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 05:45:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2534f332_9ed5_11d8_8bb4_00304828b574_14918; Thu, 06 May 2004 05:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BBE4119C03; Wed, 5 May 2004 16:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6943019AC6; Wed, 5 May 2004 16:45:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3188819AB0; Wed, 5 May 2004 16:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ob1.cmich.edu (ob1.cmich.edu [141.209.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0091919A5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 16:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by ob1.cmich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i45KfMIk009906 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 16:41:22 -0400 Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.169.81]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587D42815 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 5 May 2004 16:44:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ishwar Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Spam-Score: -0.9 () X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: [9fans] cpu+auth server under vnware-4.0 question.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 16:35:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: I have had success in making vmware.zip version work under vmware-4.0 workstation. The cpu-auth server boots correctly. An attempt to login with drawterm, there is a problem.. user[none]: bootes password: xxxxx !AS protocol botch: Connection reset by peer user[bootes]: ..repeats.. Any pointers? My kenel compilation comment is included below. -ishwar --- wiki-page says for pcauth kernel compilation to have bootdir /386/bin/auth/factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs file /sys/src/9/pc/pcauth has no entry of type bootdir, it has ... misc factotum.root ipconfig.root kfs.root ... boot cpu boot /dev/sdC0/ il local --- From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu May 6 22:19:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 6 19:07:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b2f529e_9f45_11d8_81c0_00304828b574_26093; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:07:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010F23442D2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:07:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2afa0670_9f45_11d8_8b40_00304828b574_26090; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:07:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B44A67580FA; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:07:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B6C7580F9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:07:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2aa191a2_9f45_11d8_9d60_00304828b574_26084; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:07:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 703393442D2 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:07:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29ece2de_9f45_11d8_9ce1_00304828b574_26079; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:07:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D62211A094; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 468301A074; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:07:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 14EB61A122; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AADDD1A0DA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:06:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c3cbbafec2cb30a9cfa2f3bce5c6158@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <4098F165.5050504@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] acme Zerox: Get lost Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:05:52 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: i'd got the feeling once that a lost edit might have been explained if Get hadn't worked on my Zerox'd file, and took a moment just now to find that indeed Get was ignored when applied to any frame of a file with several Zerox'd views. that's because in /sys/src/cmd/acme/exec.c:/^get\( if t->file->ntext>1 get moans if the several-window thing is a directory, and then returns. but it always returns! i suspect the return should be attached to the moan. From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu May 6 22:19:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 6 19:31:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8935b402_9f48_11d8_84fa_00304828b574_12821; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:31:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41673344F7E for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:31:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89045420_9f48_11d8_9ff2_00304828b574_12818; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:31:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F17E37580FA; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:31:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966157580F9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:31:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 88935b8a_9f48_11d8_9bd5_00304828b574_12815; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:31:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB72344F7E for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 19:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87e02f88_9f48_11d8_88e7_00304828b574_12812; Thu, 06 May 2004 19:31:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DD6C719FD2; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1166D1A11C; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:31:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 886E719FD2; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 309C219CB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59a028e5e416c7482661502ee195ddf5@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] arm compiler info From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <4098F165.5050504@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:29:37 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >>it isn't hard to get ELF output, both vl and el have >>a flag for it so changing 5l is a snarf/paste or too. or it would be if the elf weren't demented. one of those scary ones. 5c/5l code will run on arm 9 (there are possibly some extensions in arm 9, and if so, they won't use them, though even that is usually easily dealt with). possibly the bigger complication is the extent to which the output is PIC enough (or can easily be made so) for this application. i remember looking at an ARM application note about that but just remember my resulting dismay, not what caused it. it might not have been the PIC conventions as such but its interaction with something else. as to that ELF, is the loading program expecting a completely linked program or something that is then linked dynamically into one already running? if the former, the existing ELF-header producing code might well suffice (with the usual changes to account for dementia, hence some of the "??" in comments in existing code); if the latter, you'd need to convert the symbols as well, and perhaps capture and convert data for relocation (which isn't normally produced except for dynamically-loaded modules). i'm assuming you're safe from the elf's mate, a sly dwarf. From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu May 6 22:19:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 6 21:26:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c1a3ace_9f58_11d8_8177_00304828b574_14266; Thu, 06 May 2004 21:26:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902FC3453CC for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:26:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bb7ca10_9f58_11d8_89ec_00304828b574_14263; Thu, 06 May 2004 21:26:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 71CAD7580FA; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:26:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63E47580F9 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b4af840_9f58_11d8_8064_00304828b574_14260; Thu, 06 May 2004 21:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590193453CC for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a42bc12_9f58_11d8_8651_00304828b574_14257; Thu, 06 May 2004 21:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3982E19E43; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34B5D19C4C; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:26:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 129F719D11; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (mail2.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 42F5819C30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 08:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 06 May 2004 13:25:01 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i46CP2NJ002106 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 13:25:03 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] arm compiler info In-Reply-To: <59a028e5e416c7482661502ee195ddf5@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-trbpisgafgcfzwnsmgfmvdomqw" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:24:59 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-trbpisgafgcfzwnsmgfmvdomqw Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some more detail: Embedded APM system. We have a kernel with a flash file system and serial console, user programs (ls, cp, mv, The-big-app) are run from flash. We don't program the MMU except to configure memory to be flat. All user programs are relocated on load, under GCC the elf file contains special global offset table sections which must be fixed-up, GreenHills actually compiles code into crt0 to do this in every executable. Data is referenced via a single register that contains the offset of the start of data. User progs get access to kernel resources vla a jump table they are passed on the stack when they start. What I am really after is a nicer enviroment to work under than XP and Greenhills (GCC helps but still ties me to MSDOS). However my major concern is how much time I might spend getting this working, if its a few days then no problem... I guess I need to start looking at 5l, or understanding the MMU properly so all programs can run at the same virtual address. -Steve --upas-trbpisgafgcfzwnsmgfmvdomqw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040506103032.PALH16511.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@mail.cse.psu.edu> for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:30:32 +0100 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C6F1D1A149; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2ED019CB3; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:31:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 886E719FD2; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 309C219CB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 06:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <59a028e5e416c7482661502ee195ddf5@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] arm compiler info From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <4098F165.5050504@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:29:37 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >>it isn't hard to get ELF output, both vl and el have >>a flag for it so changing 5l is a snarf/paste or too. or it would be if the elf weren't demented. one of those scary ones. 5c/5l code will run on arm 9 (there are possibly some extensions in arm 9, and if so, they won't use them, though even that is usually easily dealt with). possibly the bigger complication is the extent to which the output is PIC enough (or can easily be made so) for this application. i remember looking at an ARM application note about that but just remember my resulting dismay, not what caused it. it might not have been the PIC conventions as such but its interaction with something else. as to that ELF, is the loading program expecting a completely linked program or something that is then linked dynamically into one already running? if the former, the existing ELF-header producing code might well suffice (with the usual changes to account for dementia, hence some of the "??" in comments in existing code); if the latter, you'd need to convert the symbols as well, and perhaps capture and convert data for relocation (which isn't normally produced except for dynamically-loaded modules). i'm assuming you're safe from the elf's mate, a sly dwarf. --upas-trbpisgafgcfzwnsmgfmvdomqw-- From davel@anvil.com Fri May 7 11:11:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 00:29:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19a9269e_9f72_11d8_80af_00304828b574_10410; Fri, 07 May 2004 00:29:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C1E3443B4 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:29:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 18e999b4_9f72_11d8_97dc_00304828b574_10303; Fri, 07 May 2004 00:29:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 50FCB758106; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:28:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2389B758105 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:28:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 15fd3468_9f72_11d8_8107_00304828b574_10268; Fri, 07 May 2004 00:28:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA11A3441BA for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:24:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75e19348_9f71_11d8_849d_00304828b574_5746; Fri, 07 May 2004 00:24:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 47B731A06C; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 886A519C4C; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9FE3319C4C; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E399B19B4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 11:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 6171D4AF; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:22:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother.anvil.co.uk [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F2D4A1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:22:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F072D171F8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:23:15 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <409A57E1.4080609@anvil.com> From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050509070008010807020103" Subject: [9fans] [Fwd: Visit to Soane Museum] Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 16:21:05 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509070008010807020103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, If we can get 6 people together on 14th May at 3:30, we can get a guided tour of the Soane Museum! 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Cheers, Dave. --------------050509070008010807020103 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Visit to Soane Museum" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Visit to Soane Museum" Return-Path: X-Original-To: davel@anvil.com Delivered-To: davel@anvil.com Received: from anvil.com (gatekeeper [192.168.4.253]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850A0171F8 for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:15:10 +0100 (BST) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 906994B7; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:14:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from sccis.co.uk (relay.mail.sccis.net [80.86.32.130]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D62843E for ; Thu, 6 May 2004 16:14:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from JulieBrock by sccis.co.uk with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.5.3.R) for ; Thu, 06 May 2004 16:11:22 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Julie Brock" To: Subject: Visit to Soane Museum Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:10:04 +0100 Organization: Soane Museum Message-ID: <000c01c4337c$3893fb40$9fcc2f50@JulieBrock> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C43384.9A586340" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Return-Path: jbrock@soane.org.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: davel@anvil.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C43384.9A586340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear David, With reference to your call a while back, one of the groups coming on 14 May have cancelled. If you still wanted to visit, you could come with your group any time after 3.30 pm. We do close at 5 pm. Please let me know. Regards, Julie Brock Sir John Soane's Museum 13 Lincoln's Inn Fields London WC2A 3BP Tel: 020 7440 4263 Fax: 020 7831 3957 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C43384.9A586340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C43384.9A586340-- --------------050509070008010807020103-- From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 7 11:11:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 03:14:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29d9ce1c_9f89_11d8_9448_00304828b574_19682; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8395C344332 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29a354a4_9f89_11d8_9033_00304828b574_19643; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 22A167580F9; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:14:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855BB7580FE for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:14:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 273fe510_9f89_11d8_8587_00304828b574_19281; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:14:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DF8344727 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:10:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a264f0c4_9f88_11d8_8f09_00304828b574_15747; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CF62B19C34; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9250B1A1B6; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:10:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 401B719A84; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0CC119C34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BCB067153 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 20:09:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <035201c43394$d7f5c0c0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: [9fans] alpha port Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:06:18 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: me being lazy after today's running around town i thought i'd ask here. what's the status of the alpha port? i may be able to get my hands on one as my source has described them as being 'obsolete'. maybe even some of the docs :) From ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Fri May 7 11:11:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 03:35:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2770ca74_9f8c_11d8_856a_00304828b574_5231; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:35:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F52344A01 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27360cc2_9f8c_11d8_9731_00304828b574_5228; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A2CCF7580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:35:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF827580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26cb3db6_9f8c_11d8_9c50_00304828b574_5225; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4019D344A01 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 03:35:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2612d2f8_9f8c_11d8_8209_00304828b574_5222; Fri, 07 May 2004 03:35:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EFECE1A1C6; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4ED71A15C; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A4C521A15C; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ob1.cmich.edu (ob1.cmich.edu [141.209.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49FDD19BDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by ob1.cmich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i46IUtQ7015311 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:30:55 -0400 Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.169.81]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 304621E9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 14:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ishwar Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Spam-Score: 0.5 () X-Bayes-Prob: 0.9989 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . canit . ca) Subject: [9fans] cpu+auth server under vnware-4.0 question.. Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:24:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Another try. I added ether79c790 pci (to link section) and vgavmware +cur (to misc section) of stock /sys/src/9/pc/pcauth file. Also appended bootdir /386/bin/auth/factotum /386/bin/disk/kfs to pcauth file. Compilation stops with erros.. ... 8c -FVw bootpcauth.c 8l -o bootpcauth,out bootpsauth.8 ../boot/libboot.8 print8 ../port/mkroot bootpcauth boot bootpcauth.c:8 name not declared config bootpcauth.c:8 name not declared bin bootpcauth.c:8 name not declared auth bootpcauth.c:8 name not declared factotum bootpcauth.c:8 name not declared connect bootpcauth.c:8 name not declared bin ... too many errors. I am missing some files. Any pointers wiill be appreciated. -ishwar From nemo@lsub.org Fri May 7 11:11:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 04:16:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dbd3b5d0_9f91_11d8_923e_00304828b574_5834; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:16:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A3F344A7E for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:16:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dba3a1ba_9f91_11d8_8d65_00304828b574_5831; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:16:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 06E997580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:16:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A980C7580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:16:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db5eb834_9f91_11d8_8355_00304828b574_5827; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:16:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CEDA344A7E for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da87e66a_9f91_11d8_87e4_00304828b574_5821; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0A0281A1D6; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C51D1A1D0; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:16:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 04C0A19B11; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F126F19B6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <1083855490.1249.27.camel@raistlin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] Are you sure? Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:15:39 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Funny. gambito:~# apt-get install libc6/stable Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Selected version 2.2.5-11.5 (Debian:3.0r2/stable, Debian-Security:3.0/stable) fo r libc6 The following packages will be REMOVED: adduser apt apt-utils base-config base-files base-passwd bash bc bin86 binutils bsdmainutils bsdutils console-tools console-tools-libs cpp cpp-2.95 cron cvs dbench defoma dhcp-client dialog dnsutils dpkg dpkg-dev ed eject emacsen-common ethereal ethereal-common exim fdutils file findutils ftp ftpd g++ g++-2.95 gcc gcc-2.95 gcc-3.0 gdb gdk-imlib1 gnupg grep groff-base gzip hdparm host hostname iamerican ibritish ifupdown imlib-base info iptables ispell kernel-package less libappconfig-perl libc6-dev libdb1-compat libdb2 libdb3 libdps1 libfreetype6 libgcc1 libgcrypt1 libglib1.2 libgpmg1 libgtk1.2 libjpeg62 libldap2 liblockfile1 liblzo1 libncurses5 libncurses5-dev libnet-netmask-perl libnewt0 libpam-modules libpam0g libpcre3 libpng2 libpopt0 libreadline4 librsync1 libsasl7 libstdc++2.10-dev libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 libstdc++3 libtiff3g libungif4g libwrap0 libxaw7 lilo login lpr mailx make makedev man-db mawk mdadm modconf modutils mount msttcorefonts mtr-tiny mutt nano ncurses-bin net-tools netbase nfs-common nfs-kernel-server nis ntpdate nvi passwd patch pciutils perl perl-modules pidentd portmap ppp pppconfig pppoe procps psmisc python python-newt python2.1 python2.2 raidtools2 rdiff rdiff-backup reiserfsprogs reportbug rsync sed setserial shellutils slang1 ssh syslinux systemconfigurator sysvinit tar tasksel tcpd tcsh telnet tethereal tiobench traceroute util-linux vacation vim whiptail x-ttcidfont-conf xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-base-transcoded xlibs xserver-common xserver-xfree86 xterm xutils yafc zlib1g The following packages will be DOWNGRADED libc6 WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! apt libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 (due to apt) base-files mawk (due to base-files) base-passwd (due to base-files) bash libncurses5 (due to bash) bsdutils dpkg findutils grep gzip hostname login libpam-modules (due to login) libpam0g (due to login) mount ncurses-bin sed shellutils sysvinit util-linux (due to sysvinit) tar slang1 (due to util-linux) 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 downgraded, 172 to remove and 0 not u pgraded. Need to get 3383kB of archives. After unpacking 207MB will be freed. You are about to do something potentially harmful To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' ?] From cnielsen@pobox.com Fri May 7 11:11:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 04:23:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc3d0016_9f92_11d8_8826_00304828b574_11229; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:23:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D796344A9B for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:23:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc0a8d98_9f92_11d8_84df_00304828b574_11226; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:23:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3118E7580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:23:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC58C7580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:23:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dbcb44da_9f92_11d8_9d44_00304828b574_11223; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:23:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5524344A9B for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:23:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db16e72e_9f92_11d8_824c_00304828b574_11220; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:23:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9AFB81A1D4; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23C7E1A15C; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:23:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA2131A1D0; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.foobarbaz.net (cassie.foobarbaz.net [216.218.196.232]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C73E419B11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.foobarbaz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9714266BD1; Thu, 6 May 2004 12:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cassie.foobarbaz.net (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Thu, 06 May 2004 12:22:24 -0700 (PDT) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] alpha port Message-ID: <20040506192222.GL2152@cassie.foobarbaz.net> References: <035201c43394$d7f5c0c0$265d7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <035201c43394$d7f5c0c0$265d7d50@SOMA> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i From: Christopher Nielsen X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.0.2 (Bold Forbes) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: cnielsen@pobox.com List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:22:22 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: I have a 164LX system that I was trying to get running with the port, but that was a while back. I still have it, but my test environment is still being rebuilt (recently moved into a place where I actually have space again). I had limited success then. I don't know the current status. Let me know, if you find out. :-) On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 08:06:18PM +0200, boyd, rounin wrote: > me being lazy after today's running around town i thought i'd ask here. > > what's the status of the alpha port? i may be able to get my hands on one > as my source has described them as being 'obsolete'. > > maybe even some of the docs :) -- Christopher Nielsen "They who can give up essential liberty for temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 7 11:11:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 04:39:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1fd09f66_9f95_11d8_9b40_00304828b574_26780; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:39:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C734434B for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:39:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f98fe12_9f95_11d8_9ded_00304828b574_26777; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:39:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A950C758107; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:39:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE0A7580FA for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:39:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d73ce64_9f95_11d8_8691_00304828b574_26752; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:39:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC5834434B for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8677c196_9f94_11d8_98be_00304828b574_22236; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:35:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 92D891A1DA; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9A21C19BDC; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:35:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 25A8019F33; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7156519BC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CA5337AA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:34:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <038a01c433a0$b4795150$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <035201c43394$d7f5c0c0$265d7d50@SOMA> <20040506192222.GL2152@cassie.foobarbaz.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] alpha port MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:31:18 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Let me know, if you find out. :-) will do. From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 7 11:11:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 04:41:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 64bbe392_9f95_11d8_84b6_00304828b574_29035; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6E9344568 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 648a1ed4_9f95_11d8_947f_00304828b574_29032; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5D4E8758108; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:41:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9CC758103 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:41:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f7c5060_9f95_11d8_9fae_00304828b574_28981; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:41:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55A2344ABF for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 04:38:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f256d280_9f94_11d8_9725_00304828b574_25554; Fri, 07 May 2004 04:38:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 40BDE1A1D8; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCDC419F66; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:38:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B32B31A1C5; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F0B5199F4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 15:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 50DC867185 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 21:37:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <039001c433a1$0467cfc0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] Are you sure? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:33:32 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > gambito:~# apt-get install libc6/stable it may not be apt, but it does get ... and a meta security hole as a plus. From robpike@gmail.com Fri May 7 11:11:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 09:03:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa73b058_9fb9_11d8_82ec_00304828b574_21843; Fri, 07 May 2004 09:03:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59390344C42 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 09:03:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa3f0a2e_9fb9_11d8_8c59_00304828b574_21840; Fri, 07 May 2004 09:03:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 465E27580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 09:03:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD9D7580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 09:03:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa048e80_9fb9_11d8_965d_00304828b574_21837; Fri, 07 May 2004 09:03:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0704F344C42 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 09:03:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f951b3d2_9fb9_11d8_98dd_00304828b574_21834; Fri, 07 May 2004 09:03:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 45FDF19DEE; Thu, 6 May 2004 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E51319C50; Thu, 6 May 2004 20:03:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D205119C6F; Thu, 6 May 2004 20:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B564B19C50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 20:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so643721rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.120.64 with SMTP id s64mr142893cwc; Thu, 06 May 2004 17:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904050617022f003f0@mail.gmail.com> From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme Zerox: Get lost In-Reply-To: <0c3cbbafec2cb30a9cfa2f3bce5c6158@terzarima.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <0c3cbbafec2cb30a9cfa2f3bce5c6158@terzarima.net> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:02:37 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: On Thu, 6 May 2004 11:05:52 +0100, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > i'd got the feeling once that a lost edit might > have been explained if Get hadn't worked on my Zerox'd file, > and took a moment just now to find that indeed Get > was ignored when applied to any frame of a file > with several Zerox'd views. > > that's because in /sys/src/cmd/acme/exec.c:/^get\( if t->file->ntext>1 get > moans if the several-window thing is a directory, and then > returns. but it always returns! i suspect > the return should be attached to the moan. absolutely. stupid bug. i know how it happened. -rob From martin_ml@parvat.com Fri May 7 21:57:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 12:56:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8887bb12_9fda_11d8_8e7c_00304828b574_30516; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:56:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763F3344CFD for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:56:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 883d10d0_9fda_11d8_88c9_00304828b574_30513; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:56:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 395EC7580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:56:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63107580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:56:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87d6ab74_9fda_11d8_8894_00304828b574_30510; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:56:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5848344CFD for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:56:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8711d57e_9fda_11d8_889c_00304828b574_30501; Fri, 07 May 2004 12:56:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 13CF51A1E3; Thu, 6 May 2004 23:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B87331A1DA; Thu, 6 May 2004 23:56:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D7FA41A1D7; Thu, 6 May 2004 23:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BE5D19F67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 23:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BLwSR-0004qO-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:55:31 +0200 Received: from [203.101.52.224] (helo=agni) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BLwSP-0007P0-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 07 May 2004 05:55:30 +0200 From: Martin C.Atkins To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Are you sure? Message-Id: <20040507092514.4ad56ab0.martin_ml@parvat.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1083855490.1249.27.camel@raistlin> Organization: Parvat Infotech (Private) Limited X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:36ac05c78f2d71fdd8502b36d47d3e88 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 09:25:14 +0530 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: On Thu, 6 May 2004 21:15:39 +0200 Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: >... > You are about to do something potentially harmful > To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' > ?] > Well, at least it asked first! :-) Martin -- Martin C. Atkins martin_ml@parvat.com Parvat Infotech Private Limited http://www.parvat.com{/,/martin} From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri May 7 21:57:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 13:13:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e18c895c_9fdc_11d8_8286_00304828b574_11974; Fri, 07 May 2004 13:13:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1858344D64 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:13:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e15ab198_9fdc_11d8_823c_00304828b574_11970; Fri, 07 May 2004 13:13:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CA3237580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:13:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE787580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:13:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0fdce6a_9fdc_11d8_918d_00304828b574_11967; Fri, 07 May 2004 13:13:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58342344D62 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:13:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e040e0e8_9fdc_11d8_8274_00304828b574_11964; Fri, 07 May 2004 13:13:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AC04D1A1F6; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C4C71A0DA; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:13:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9DA1519C36; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5249519BA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 7 May 2004 00:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i474CSik002283 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 22:12:28 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i474CS31001765 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 22:12:28 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i474CRwO006910 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 6 May 2004 22:12:27 -0600 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Are you sure? In-Reply-To: <20040507092514.4ad56ab0.martin_ml@parvat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:12:26 -0600 (MDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: On Fri, 7 May 2004, Martin C.Atkins wrote: > On Thu, 6 May 2004 21:15:39 +0200 Fco.J.Ballesteros wrote: > >... > > You are about to do something potentially harmful > > To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' > > ?] > > > > Well, at least it asked first! :-) Doesn't the whole process make you feel good all over about shared libraries? :-) ron From martin_ml@parvat.com Fri May 7 21:57:51 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 15:48:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e07b304_9ff2_11d8_9642_00304828b574_17990; Fri, 07 May 2004 15:48:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCCE344DDF for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 15:48:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8dd45112_9ff2_11d8_8b79_00304828b574_17987; Fri, 07 May 2004 15:48:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AC7F97580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 15:48:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDA97580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 15:48:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d98aa68_9ff2_11d8_8519_00304828b574_17984; Fri, 07 May 2004 15:48:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69240344DDF for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 15:48:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ce432e0_9ff2_11d8_9ce7_00304828b574_17981; Fri, 07 May 2004 15:48:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 128141A2C9; Fri, 7 May 2004 02:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D801819F61; Fri, 7 May 2004 02:48:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7A15F19F72; Fri, 7 May 2004 02:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.173]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC53319F61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 7 May 2004 02:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BLz8z-0004wu-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 07 May 2004 08:47:37 +0200 Received: from [203.101.52.224] (helo=agni) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BLz8x-0008Tw-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 07 May 2004 08:47:36 +0200 From: Martin C.Atkins To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Are you sure? Message-Id: <20040507121719.50a93509.martin_ml@parvat.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20040507092514.4ad56ab0.martin_ml@parvat.com> Organization: Parvat Infotech (Private) Limited X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:36ac05c78f2d71fdd8502b36d47d3e88 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 12:17:19 +0530 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: On Thu, 6 May 2004 22:12:26 -0600 (MDT) ron minnich wrote: >.. > ... good all over... Not quite my choice of words, but it certainly sent a shiver down my spine.... >about shared libraries? > Martin -- Martin C. Atkins martin_ml@parvat.com Parvat Infotech Private Limited http://www.parvat.com{/,/martin} From martin.wyser@inf.ethz.ch Fri May 7 21:57:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 7 21:44:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5523109c_a024_11d8_8672_00304828b574_3267; Fri, 07 May 2004 21:44:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A20344FDF for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:44:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54ee38ea_a024_11d8_804f_00304828b574_3264; Fri, 07 May 2004 21:44:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 109667580FA; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:44:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD3507580F9 for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:44:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54b312d8_a024_11d8_8b62_00304828b574_3261; Fri, 07 May 2004 21:44:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8AD9344FDF for ; Fri, 7 May 2004 21:44:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5400439c_a024_11d8_8f7a_00304828b574_3258; Fri, 07 May 2004 21:44:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CA4AE19A1D; Fri, 7 May 2004 08:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5895219A12; Fri, 7 May 2004 08:44:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E278F19F84; Fri, 7 May 2004 08:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6894819F82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 7 May 2004 08:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BM4Yy-0006bG-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 07 May 2004 13:34:48 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Martin Wyser Message-ID: <409b7799$1@pfaff2.ethz.ch> Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETHZ) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] replica pull -v Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 12:34:10 GMT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Hi folks I just did a replica/pull -v /dist/replica/network It now prints lines like a sys/src/9/pc/main.c 664 sys sys 1067722634 According to the replica(1), the format should be verb path serverpath mode ... The serverpath seems to be missing in the status lines I get - what is going wrong? The sys/src/9/pc/main.c is relative to what? The "a" verb means it adds a file - why? The file existed before that? Am I just seeing my installation fall? Should I stop replica? I am very anxious about what I see. kind regards, Martin From russcox@gmail.com Sat May 8 20:31:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 01:17:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0af10718_a042_11d8_85cb_00304828b574_26100; Sat, 08 May 2004 01:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7283450BF for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 01:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ab9f4e4_a042_11d8_8b18_00304828b574_26097; Sat, 08 May 2004 01:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 78B9C7580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 01:17:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3053B7580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 01:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0a80dd80_a042_11d8_875f_00304828b574_26094; Sat, 08 May 2004 01:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7BA3450BF for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 01:17:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09cd5b3e_a042_11d8_90b9_00304828b574_26091; Sat, 08 May 2004 01:17:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B236B19B0C; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BCE519B0F; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:17:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A6C8319D24; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 808EC19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 7 May 2004 12:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x17so21064cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 07 May 2004 09:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.1.73 with SMTP id 73mr23350rna; Fri, 07 May 2004 09:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Russ Cox To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] replica pull -v In-Reply-To: <409b7799$1@pfaff2.ethz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <409b7799$1@pfaff2.ethz.ch> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 12:16:10 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: The documentation is wrong. It got annoying to see both paths now it just prints the path relative to both client and server roots. Whether you see "a" vs. "m" depends on whether the server's log has been compressed recently. It doesn't mean that pull thinks you're missing the file. In other words, it's behaving fine. Sorry about the confusion. Russ From matthias@mteege.de Sat May 8 20:31:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 02:46:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79d6c1f2_a04e_11d8_876d_00304828b574_5170; Sat, 08 May 2004 02:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933F134495E for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 02:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79a26c86_a04e_11d8_8983_00304828b574_5167; Sat, 08 May 2004 02:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 823137580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 02:46:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398777580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 02:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 796a1f2a_a04e_11d8_9536_00304828b574_5164; Sat, 08 May 2004 02:46:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AFB34495E for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 02:46:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78b61af2_a04e_11d8_9bfa_00304828b574_5161; Sat, 08 May 2004 02:46:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E592919FB6; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5814819FA8; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:46:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8B0F019FA3; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (one.mteege.de [81.2.131.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1203E19FA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 7 May 2004 13:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 76495 invoked by uid 66); 7 May 2004 17:45:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 90305 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2004 17:42:14 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 7 May 2004 17:42:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 9091 invoked from network); 7 May 2004 17:42:15 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 7 May 2004 17:42:15 -0000 Message-ID: <25dccc40a8ef282967b960aae3a6c177@mteege.de> From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] acme/sam port and "umlauts" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:41:46 0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Moin, I've installed the acme/sam ports on a BSD box but there are problems if I try to input "german umlauts". I use a english keybord and compose the umlauts with 'alt "[AUOauo]'. It simply doesnt work in acme/sam. Is there any way to configure this? Matthias From russcox@gmail.com Sat May 8 20:31:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 03:20:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a997836_a053_11d8_901f_00304828b574_465; Sat, 08 May 2004 03:20:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC28434547A for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 03:20:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a61e376_a053_11d8_963e_00304828b574_462; Sat, 08 May 2004 03:20:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D34FB7580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 03:20:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADC87580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 03:20:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a24e688_a053_11d8_8cf0_00304828b574_459; Sat, 08 May 2004 03:20:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9565334547A for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 03:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3971b720_a053_11d8_9e02_00304828b574_456; Sat, 08 May 2004 03:20:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8291319FB6; Fri, 7 May 2004 14:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F87D19F84; Fri, 7 May 2004 14:20:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2113319F84; Fri, 7 May 2004 14:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1F40019E92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 7 May 2004 14:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 65so23137rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 07 May 2004 11:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.1.63 with SMTP id 63mr25323rna; Fri, 07 May 2004 11:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Russ Cox To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme/sam port and "umlauts" In-Reply-To: <25dccc40a8ef282967b960aae3a6c177@mteege.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <25dccc40a8ef282967b960aae3a6c177@mteege.de> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:19:54 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > I've installed the acme/sam ports on a BSD box but there are > problems if I try to input "german umlauts". I use a english > keybord and compose the umlauts with 'alt "[AUOauo]'. It > simply doesnt work in acme/sam. Is there any way to configure > this? There is a bug. Make sure you are typing Alt, ", o and NOT Shift-Alt, ", o. Shift-Alt sends a different key stroke and I hadn't realized it at the time. I have fixed it in my own copy but I need to clean some things up before I push the latest sources out. Russ From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat May 8 20:32:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 17:40:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5eea6826_a0cb_11d8_8622_00304828b574_20566; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:40:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4020534470A for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:40:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e8e0310_a0cb_11d8_9929_00304828b574_20563; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:40:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D79C7580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:40:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7E77580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:40:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e2de142_a0cb_11d8_91fa_00304828b574_20559; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:40:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B1E34470A for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:40:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d3b4216_a0cb_11d8_8638_00304828b574_20553; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:40:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2CF8B19EA8; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 633D719CEF; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:40:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E6B5E19CB3; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 529D219CDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i488cu04024214 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:38:58 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <5e7092eca943af584d215efa3a8f1b9c@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-roduibtcfuxrhxslogrotlchpg" Subject: [9fans] Printenv(1) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:38:53 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-roduibtcfuxrhxslogrotlchpg Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This makes it possible for me to test (and fix) ENV handling in Tcl. Others may find it useful, I'm sure I should not have reinvented the wheel, but it was quicker than looking up the wheel patent application :-) Add features to taste, I didn't even consult the Unix man pages. ++L --upas-roduibtcfuxrhxslogrotlchpg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=printenv.c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #include #include main (int argc, char **argv) { int fd, x; long nd; Dir *buf; USED(argc); USED(argv); fd = open ("#e", OREAD); nd = dirreadall (fd, &buf); for (x = 0; x < nd; x++) { print ("%s=%s\n", buf[x].name, getenv (buf[x].name)); } exits (0); return 0; } --upas-roduibtcfuxrhxslogrotlchpg-- From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat May 8 20:32:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 17:54:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 599b3984_a0cd_11d8_90cf_00304828b574_32584; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:54:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93666344DEA for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5965c146_a0cd_11d8_9248_00304828b574_32581; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 790747580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:54:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC4A7580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5927799a_a0cd_11d8_8007_00304828b574_32578; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:54:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBF0344DEA for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 586bdc62_a0cd_11d8_83db_00304828b574_32575; Sat, 08 May 2004 17:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3855119B5A; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2B5719A69; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:54:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AE59B19E4D; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B87BA19CB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 04:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i488rb04024336 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 10:53:39 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <7d571d40f23ce2bcad1fe5f2c0bdce39@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:53:34 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: I've been messing around with Flash RAM reading and writing, and I fell short of being able to produce a disk image indirectly. To be more explicit, I tried to create a virtual disk in a conventional file (/tmp/flash) using the /bin/disk/ utilities, but they seem to fall short of my objectives, in that they need to write the /dev/sd??/ctl file which is not available to a virtual disk. Has anyone considered writing a fileserver that simulates /dev/sd?? in a file image? Have I simply overlooked the obvious? If it's not been done yet, is it going to be difficult and will anyone else find it useful? ++L PS: Is anyone familiar with Flash RAM to the extent that they can explain why one does not seem to be able to access the entire storage, for example, using dd? Or point me to some useful documentation? From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat May 8 20:32:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 18:10:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8da45948_a0cf_11d8_8071_00304828b574_12695; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:10:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24D4344E27 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:10:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d733228_a0cf_11d8_931b_00304828b574_12692; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:10:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C44FD7580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:10:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BF7F7580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:10:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d333bfa_a0cf_11d8_8402_00304828b574_12689; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:10:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709C0344E27 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:10:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c70836c_a0cf_11d8_958b_00304828b574_12686; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:10:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AEF1119EA9; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80F6019B1B; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:10:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BA31B19B1B; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E2A319AD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7e34edf0ffb0357e57f04a6fab4e75a8@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <7d571d40f23ce2bcad1fe5f2c0bdce39@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:08:50 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >I've been messing around with Flash RAM reading and writing, and I raw flash is like neither disk nor RAM. it has many peculiar properties. on that you'll need to use something like aux/flashfs on it, after producing the platform-specific parts for devflash.c. the format/prep commands don't apply. possibly you're referring to one of the PC-card or USB flash disks? From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 18:33:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0b7ab06_a0d2_11d8_86f6_00304828b574_3169; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:33:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D5F3441B4 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:33:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0846f2a_a0d2_11d8_83ef_00304828b574_3163; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:33:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 11EF9758104; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:33:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6848C7580FE for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:33:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd3b9ab4_a0d2_11d8_935d_00304828b574_3117; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:33:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACC03441A5 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:30:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f075e8e_a0d2_11d8_8118_00304828b574_32165; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:30:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 85E5919F71; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A25A19C4D; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:30:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4DCD219C92; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC4A119C4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto In-Reply-To: <7e34edf0ffb0357e57f04a6fab4e75a8@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:30:13 +0900 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >>I've been messing around with Flash RAM reading and writing, and I I've gotten to use Flash RAM with IDE interface (IR-ICF01S for example) as semiconductor disk strage, and now going to use it as our standalone kfs based AUTH server. 256MB Flash RAM was enough for this purpose. Thanks Geoff for you suggestion to this. Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 18:37:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 532c562c_a0d3_11d8_9d9e_00304828b574_6288; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:37:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE61534427F for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52f5235a_a0d3_11d8_8fa4_00304828b574_6285; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A13DB7580FB; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:37:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5407580FA for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52b6a094_a0d3_11d8_81b7_00304828b574_6282; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E21734427F for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:37:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51fd5bc0_a0d3_11d8_84cf_00304828b574_6278; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:37:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2BE7F19FA5; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E589519E7C; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:37:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AD24E19CE1; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45E3E19C39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <82f3c9e8a061eba927932524b367f50c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:37:37 +0900 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Thanks Geoff for you suggestion to this. A Celeron 366 with 160MB RAM, no floppy, no disks, no CDRPMs etc, which means no mechanic fans. No only one fan for power unit. I got this machine by 24 dollars at Osaka! This machine may work for Auth server without mechanic trouble.=E2=98=BA Kenji From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 18:42:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05ecb48c_a0d4_11d8_8d78_00304828b574_10010; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD4433444D1 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05bad110_a0d4_11d8_825d_00304828b574_10007; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 90EF47580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:42:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243327580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 056522e2_a0d4_11d8_8068_00304828b574_10004; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 151353444D1 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:42:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 04a0131c_a0d4_11d8_85ab_00304828b574_10001; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:42:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1F31519DA9; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1BA319CEF; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:42:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DAC0B19CE1; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E683D19C92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i489f504024681 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:41:07 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:41:01 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > I've gotten to use Flash RAM with IDE interface (IR-ICF01S for example) > as semiconductor disk strage, and now going to use it as our standalone > kfs based AUTH server. 256MB Flash RAM was enough for this purpose. > Thanks Geoff for you suggestion to this. The destination equipment seems to get this right (I've not tried so far), but the intermediate is a Flash RAM writer with a USB interface - the reason I looked at USB in Plan 9 as some of you may recall; that's still a pending development, what with OHCI and EHCI needing implementation from almost scratch. So at this point I'm at the mercy of a surprisingly helpful NetBSD environment, but I need Plan 9 to produce the image I eventually write onto the card. I could use NetBSD, up to a point, but it's bound to be a problem once I get to the actual Plan 9 dependent details. Hence my interest in a virtual disk simulation file server. As for Geoff's suggestion, I presume that he and others are aware that Flash RAM modules are available with the 40-pin IDE connector (male or female, I believe) built in, try ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 18:51:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 496cc2c8_a0d5_11d8_9aac_00304828b574_17010; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:51:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB0F344751 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:51:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 463d7bb0_a0d5_11d8_9861_00304828b574_17007; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:51:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 381FD7580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:51:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9877580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:51:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45eb7aea_a0d5_11d8_961c_00304828b574_17004; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:51:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF4F344751 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:51:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 453001c0_a0d5_11d8_8caf_00304828b574_17001; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:51:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4F55D19FC1; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D7A319DA8; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E82FA19CEF; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF9FF19CE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i489oe04024739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:50:41 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <87d46d1d5f9a68d65a67cfef88cfe63b@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <7e34edf0ffb0357e57f04a6fab4e75a8@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:50:37 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > raw flash is like neither disk nor RAM. it has many peculiar > properties. on that you'll need to use something like aux/flashfs on it, > after producing the platform-specific parts for devflash.c. > the format/prep commands don't apply. > I thought as much. It was discussed here before, wasn't it. I had no reason to pay it attention at the time, but now it rings a bell. Thank you for the pointer. > possibly you're referring to one of the PC-card or USB flash disks? No, I think what I have is raw Flash. I have a USB reader/writer and a thin client that treats Flash RAM as IDE (approximately, haven't quite figured out all the details yet). The think client is a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation: it will read/write the Flash but it needs to boot from it. Alternatively, it can boot from the IDE drive, but that seems to hide the Flash away. I suspect some clever engineering has gone into making these mutually exclusive. The documentation is a bit thin on the ground. Still, I have it booting 9load from the Flash card, formatted as a DOS disk (disk/format -t hard -d) but I'd like to put a bit more stuff on the flash card and that requires Plan 9 partitioning. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 18:57:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1bd25d5e_a0d6_11d8_9f72_00304828b574_21813; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:57:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637FB344E3F for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:57:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b9b7046_a0d6_11d8_8b47_00304828b574_21810; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:57:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4FE097580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:57:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A0A7580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:57:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b620e00_a0d6_11d8_8287_00304828b574_21807; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:57:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A551344E3F for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:57:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1aa8187e_a0d6_11d8_961b_00304828b574_21804; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:57:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 78EA319FDD; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4CA5419CEF; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:57:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D8F1419DA8; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26B1119C88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i489uI04024792 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:56:19 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <51bdf33d3f21cd9477dcf67a9a90938e@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <7d571d40f23ce2bcad1fe5f2c0bdce39@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:56:14 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > If it's not been done yet, is it going to be difficult and will anyone > else find it useful? Well, call me stupid! mksacfs(8) and sacfs(4). I'm going to try it. ++L From rm@hamnavoe.com Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 18:59:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5fd66c66_a0d6_11d8_8038_00304828b574_23316; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:59:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84893344E43 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:59:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5fa319f6_a0d6_11d8_9e88_00304828b574_23313; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:59:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5B88D7580FB; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:59:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3047580FA for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:59:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f3d6fc0_a0d6_11d8_9dd6_00304828b574_23310; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:59:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86CC344E46 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:59:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e834f5a_a0d6_11d8_9d4e_00304828b574_23302; Sat, 08 May 2004 18:59:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 29F8D19FD8; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE88E19CEF; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:59:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 534AC19DA8; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1900219C88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9d0d3b47374856a75b0011ff6f8eb6bc@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Richard Miller In-Reply-To: <7d571d40f23ce2bcad1fe5f2c0bdce39@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 10:58:56 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: The disk utilities do work with regular files (see the last few lines of /sys/src/libdisk/disk.c), but you probably need to preallocate one of the required size. Try dd -if /dev/zero ... -- Richard From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 19:03:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f0ffd588_a0d6_11d8_8aa3_00304828b574_26617; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:03:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDF4344E5C for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:03:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f0c99fea_a0d6_11d8_8a54_00304828b574_26614; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:03:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EFB2E7580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:03:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E9C7580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:03:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f08f7a40_a0d6_11d8_87b4_00304828b574_26611; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:03:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD02344E5C for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:03:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id efccbdd4_a0d6_11d8_971c_00304828b574_26608; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:03:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF7BE19CA7; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4414419C88; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:03:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0CFEF19CB5; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24E9119C88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i48A2W04024846 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:02:33 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <2d8e2f4584e4e8959be77a1f39a31616@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <9d0d3b47374856a75b0011ff6f8eb6bc@hamnavoe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:02:28 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > The disk utilities do work with regular files (see the last few lines of > /sys/src/libdisk/disk.c), but you probably need to preallocate one of > the required size. Try dd -if /dev/zero ... I did, that was the bit about less storage than the stated capacity. Perhaps you can clarify how partitioning would work? I hope I'm not the only one that would need to consult the sources to understand the finer details. ++L From rm@hamnavoe.com Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 19:55:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39ee8f76_a0de_11d8_8164_00304828b574_6921; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:55:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9823441F0 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:55:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39b72c20_a0de_11d8_8099_00304828b574_6915; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:55:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AEF9F758100; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:55:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377EA758101 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:55:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3787862a_a0de_11d8_9c9f_00304828b574_6879; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:55:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDC03441F0 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 19:48:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3dbed6d4_a0dd_11d8_8f66_00304828b574_31549; Sat, 08 May 2004 19:48:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A01D519B0F; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 207B119E79; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:48:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3956019E8F; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D676319B0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 06:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8e0e45a44ae3fc75dff278a7fe2253be@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Richard Miller In-Reply-To: <2d8e2f4584e4e8959be77a1f39a31616@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:47:53 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Perhaps you can clarify how partitioning would work? You can use the fs(3) device for partitioning - you have to do a bit of arithmetic because the 'part' commands in fs(3) and sd(3) have different semantics (and syntax). -- Richard From lucio@proxima.alt.za Sat May 8 20:32:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 20:14:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df7f1e86_a0e0_11d8_914e_00304828b574_22067; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:14:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A967E34475F for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df4cd912_a0e0_11d8_951d_00304828b574_22064; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8B9D57580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:14:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DD27580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df0e0c46_a0e0_11d8_8c8a_00304828b574_22061; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4644E34476A for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de533466_a0e0_11d8_9752_00304828b574_22050; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9070C19F41; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6737519E79; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2557E19D76; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4440B19C92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i48BDX04025113 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 13:13:35 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <75a8620d98ad7974033fcb7d0ac22446@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <8e0e45a44ae3fc75dff278a7fe2253be@hamnavoe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 13:13:29 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > You can use the fs(3) device for partitioning - you have to do a bit > of arithmetic because the 'part' commands in fs(3) and sd(3) have > different semantics (and syntax). That's an idea. Nearly ten years of exposure to Plan 9 and still plenty to learn... ++L From rm@hamnavoe.com Sun May 9 18:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 20:34:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab1afb9e_a0e3_11d8_9834_00304828b574_5147; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:34:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4503447BF for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:34:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aaaeb920_a0e3_11d8_8b30_00304828b574_5144; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:34:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BDC177580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:34:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7519C7580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:34:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa6da778_a0e3_11d8_9ae0_00304828b574_5141; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:34:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7804D3447BF for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:34:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9b3ce84_a0e3_11d8_97fc_00304828b574_5137; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:34:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AD86C19C88; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02AFF19E78; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:34:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6A3A319E8F; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2058419E78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7be35434a58a5dc886b2ea12189ce1e3@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Printenv(1) From: Richard Miller In-Reply-To: <5e7092eca943af584d215efa3a8f1b9c@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:32:59 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Others may find it useful, I'm sure I should not have reinvented the > wheel, ... For a lazier way to get a similar result, try grep '^' /env/* From forsyth@terzarima.net Sun May 9 18:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 20:40:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 809a6c8c_a0e4_11d8_9092_00304828b574_9719; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:40:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCEB344EAA for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:40:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80641b96_a0e4_11d8_8f8c_00304828b574_9716; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:40:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 57F3D7580FA; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:40:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAC67580F9 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:40:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80294ffc_a0e4_11d8_91ce_00304828b574_9713; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:40:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12261344EAA for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 20:40:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f6f4198_a0e4_11d8_8fc0_00304828b574_9710; Sat, 08 May 2004 20:40:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4175519F6A; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 886EF19E9C; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:40:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 436B019EAC; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF9FC19E8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 07:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <23c29e661aff42aa93b9a3744e43265e@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <87d46d1d5f9a68d65a67cfef88cfe63b@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:38:58 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >>No, I think what I have is raw Flash. I have a USB reader/writer and >>a thin client that treats Flash RAM as IDE (approximately, haven't >>quite figured out all the details yet). The think client is a bit of it sounds as though you're using Compact Flash, which isn't really very `raw'. the Compact Flash cards are commonly accessed using an ATA (IDE) IO interface, either by initialising in the same way as PCMCIA (CF and PCMCIA are almost the same except for form factor and a few other details), or by forcing it into a default ATA interface directly on power up. there's a bit more to it than that, but by and large, after setup, it looks like a disk, and it does all that inside the CF card. so, unlike raw flash memory, the disk/* commands are indeed what you'd use, unlike for `raw flash'. From boyd@insultant.net Sun May 9 18:30:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 8 22:42:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a8e2470_a0f5_11d8_9b1e_00304828b574_17194; Sat, 08 May 2004 22:42:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F008344256 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 22:42:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a432a74_a0f5_11d8_9185_00304828b574_17187; Sat, 08 May 2004 22:42:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AEE917580FB; Sat, 8 May 2004 22:42:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911C5758114 for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 22:42:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86c50048_a0f5_11d8_84b4_00304828b574_17134; Sat, 08 May 2004 22:42:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B337C34482D for ; Sat, 8 May 2004 22:39:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b6f09ce_a0f5_11d8_856d_00304828b574_13760; Sat, 08 May 2004 22:39:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9417B19C3F; Sat, 8 May 2004 09:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 511BC19B40; Sat, 8 May 2004 09:39:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A123719B41; Sat, 8 May 2004 09:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67D411998A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 09:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E19A767188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 15:38:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <05d701c43501$43c1a4a0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <25dccc40a8ef282967b960aae3a6c177@mteege.de> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme/sam port and "umlauts" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 15:34:58 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > I've installed the acme/sam ports on a BSD box but there are > problems if I try to input "german umlauts". I use a english > keybord and compose the umlauts with 'alt "[AUOauo]'. It > > simply doesnt work in acme/sam. Is there any way to configure > this? under x11, with the old x11 sam which was at http://netlib.bell-labs.com/magic/netlib_find?db=0&pat=sam+pike i hacked it so it didn't use unicode, just 8 bit [latin-1] chars. i think that's all i needed to do as the lunix keyboard driver would hand up the 8 bit chars correctedly. i've used it on .se and .fr keyboards. it's just a couple of hack ifdefs. i can send the diffs, if necessary. From russcox@gmail.com Sun May 9 18:30:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 00:13:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4210ea86_a102_11d8_86b7_00304828b574_29556; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70069344899 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41dec9b6_a102_11d8_9850_00304828b574_29553; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 52D477580FB; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:13:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F37CE7580FA for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:13:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 419866e2_a102_11d8_9150_00304828b574_29548; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F03344899 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:13:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 40d872ec_a102_11d8_8fcb_00304828b574_29541; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:13:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id A0FEA19DB4; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3169F19D0A; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:13:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D171919D0A; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7F34F19C9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x71so18352cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 08 May 2004 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.59 with SMTP id v59mr51186cwb; Sat, 08 May 2004 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Russ Cox To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <23c29e661aff42aa93b9a3744e43265e@terzarima.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <23c29e661aff42aa93b9a3744e43265e@terzarima.net> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:12:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Although it doesn't sound like it's what you want anymore, you could use aux/disksim to get an sd(3)-like interface to an arbitrary file. Russ From russcox@gmail.com Sun May 9 18:30:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 00:15:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 88bd2620_a102_11d8_8b05_00304828b574_31071; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:15:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018A034489A for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:15:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8887b9b8_a102_11d8_9c3c_00304828b574_31068; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:15:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E05177580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:15:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B167580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:15:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 884da2fa_a102_11d8_9dd8_00304828b574_31065; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:15:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF7C34489A for ; 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Sat, 08 May 2004 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Russ Cox To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Printenv(1) In-Reply-To: <7be35434a58a5dc886b2ea12189ce1e3@hamnavoe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7be35434a58a5dc886b2ea12189ce1e3@hamnavoe.com> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:14:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > > Others may find it useful, I'm sure I should not have reinvented the > > wheel, ... > > For a lazier way to get a similar result, try grep '^' /env/* For something that handles lists properly, cd /env whatis * | grep '=' From boyd@insultant.net Sun May 9 18:30:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 00:17:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6200536_a102_11d8_9e22_00304828b574_32652; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:17:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0423448A9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:17:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5eb5cfa_a102_11d8_84ef_00304828b574_32649; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:17:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BC9CC7580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:17:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B177580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:17:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5b250b8_a102_11d8_85b3_00304828b574_32646; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:17:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6453448A9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 00:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4fdd0b6_a102_11d8_85bb_00304828b574_32643; Sun, 09 May 2004 00:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B19DD199EB; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54FFC19D76; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:17:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BF89919D21; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2B1F19CE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 90EE4378D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:16:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <06d501c4350f$006a13f0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7e34edf0ffb0357e57f04a6fab4e75a8@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 17:13:19 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > possibly you're referring to one of the PC-card or USB flash disks? that's my guess and i've got a USB one. on windows it looks like a disk, but i'm damn sure there's a lot of guff in there to make it look like a disk. i can't imagine it to be pretty. From boyd@insultant.net Sun May 9 18:30:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 01:53:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ada9ba0_a110_11d8_88ef_00304828b574_13729; Sun, 09 May 2004 01:53:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6603448FE for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:53:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3aa74b42_a110_11d8_9eac_00304828b574_13726; Sun, 09 May 2004 01:53:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D9657580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:53:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D906E7580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:53:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a67d052_a110_11d8_8e6b_00304828b574_13723; Sun, 09 May 2004 01:53:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C833448FE for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:53:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39b355b4_a110_11d8_8577_00304828b574_13720; Sun, 09 May 2004 01:53:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AEEFA19DA9; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 73E6D19C3A; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:53:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E003819D21; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8194019C3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 12:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C5AA379AB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 18:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <076b01c4351c$65b73b40$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <25dccc40a8ef282967b960aae3a6c177@mteege.de> <05d701c43501$43c1a4a0$265d7d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme/sam port and "umlauts" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 18:49:14 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > it's just a couple of hack ifdefs. i can send the diffs, if necessary. i can't 'cos the last time i installed sam i was (and am writting) C on lunix, so there was no need to smash it. at the ex-job in .se i did hack it though. it's trivial. From dvd@davidashen.net Sun May 9 18:30:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 06:48:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 811ca4d6_a139_11d8_92ca_00304828b574_1747; Sun, 09 May 2004 06:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67DDA3441D5 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 06:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80d73d06_a139_11d8_87bd_00304828b574_1744; Sun, 09 May 2004 06:48:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 493027580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 06:48:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44607580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 06:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 808c6006_a139_11d8_9582_00304828b574_1741; Sun, 09 May 2004 06:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD343441D5 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 06:48:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7fd7c56a_a139_11d8_9f56_00304828b574_1738; Sun, 09 May 2004 06:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6128F19E79; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B0D119EA8; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:48:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AD3D819E85; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B54619C5D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 17:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (localhost.davidashen.net [127.0.0.1]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i48LjwFw004258 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 02:45:58 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@adat.davidashen.net) Received: (from dvd@localhost) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id i48Ljtev004257 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 9 May 2004 02:45:55 +0500 (AMST) From: David Tolpin Message-Id: <200405082145.i48Ljtev004257@adat.davidashen.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Subject: [9fans] ituner minibox Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 02:45:55 +0500 (AMST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Hi, I've recently installed plan9 on ituner minibox; patch for the video card is in /n/sources/patch/vga-ituner. 1) kfs is unusable -- it is too slow to put it on a CF; fossil works fine. 2) when plan9 writes to nvram (a disk partition) it somehow destroys a slice that follows nvram on the disk (I'm not sure, it has been hard to debug). I've ended up putting plan9.nvr on 9fat. 3) it hangs occasionally, I don't know why yet -- something to do with the ethernet adapter, I think. David From rminnich@lanl.gov Sun May 9 18:30:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 14:05:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8040aea8_a176_11d8_8a19_00304828b574_2763; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:05:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C252344587 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:05:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80095d0e_a176_11d8_885f_00304828b574_2760; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:05:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 47DAC7580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:05:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F12CF7580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:05:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7fcde454_a176_11d8_80b2_00304828b574_2757; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:05:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06825344587 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:05:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f19e9e0_a176_11d8_9fce_00304828b574_2750; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:05:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E6B2719FBF; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BEF2F19F58; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:05:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1665119FB2; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C895219F58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4954pik016114 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 23:04:51 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4954op9004314 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 23:04:50 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4954owO005591 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 23:04:50 -0600 From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox In-Reply-To: <200405082145.i48Ljtev004257@adat.davidashen.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.35 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:04:49 -0600 (MDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: On Sun, 9 May 2004, David Tolpin wrote: > 3) it hangs occasionally, I don't know why yet -- something to do with > the ethernet adapter, I think. interesting, we have not seen that problem under linuxbios. We've seen lotsa problem, just not that one :-) ron From geoff@collyer.net Sun May 9 18:30:27 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 14:52:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ef5a73c_a17d_11d8_8ff9_00304828b574_6970; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:52:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44B13442CC for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e554814_a17d_11d8_9fa1_00304828b574_6960; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:52:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B07B07580FE; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:52:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2FB7580FA for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d72d75e_a17d_11d8_9b08_00304828b574_6949; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D5C3442CC for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 14:51:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8cca5c0_a17c_11d8_8f6e_00304828b574_5700; Sun, 09 May 2004 14:51:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6592419FC1; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9887419B8B; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:51:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 762E419E76; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [198.144.194.254]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E812D19B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 01:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ca81ad28cc4dac2df64c57a8ee4b980@collyer.net> From: Geoff Collyer To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <87d46d1d5f9a68d65a67cfef88cfe63b@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 22:50:36 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: It's not too hard to find PCMCIA adapters for compact flash cards that make them look like IDE disks, but what I found (see the archives) was a family of adapters that make a compact flash card emulate an IDE disk, complete with IDE connector, or a complete IDE bus with one disk on it, and that plugs straight into a motherboard IDE connector. So far they have just worked for booting my terminal and main cpu server. We've just moved, so as I set up machines again, more boot disks will get replaced by compact flash cards, especially in the file servers. From geoff@collyer.net Sun May 9 18:30:28 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 15:04:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb3af98e_a17e_11d8_9c00_00304828b574_18718; Sun, 09 May 2004 15:04:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAF834454F for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 15:04:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb055428_a17e_11d8_97c9_00304828b574_18715; Sun, 09 May 2004 15:04:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 376117580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 15:04:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E592C7580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 15:04:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bacce1ec_a17e_11d8_9fa2_00304828b574_18712; Sun, 09 May 2004 15:04:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27E234454F for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 15:04:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba1b1c46_a17e_11d8_9814_00304828b574_18709; Sun, 09 May 2004 15:04:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 848A919FF6; Sun, 9 May 2004 02:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF3E119DF7; Sun, 9 May 2004 02:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 96A9519DF7; Sun, 9 May 2004 02:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [198.144.194.254]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75F8619C7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 02:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <159f0eb454338138f4f2c3f7268078da@collyer.net> From: Geoff Collyer To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <1ca81ad28cc4dac2df64c57a8ee4b980@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 23:03:22 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: I've also been thinking of putting /adm/secstore on compact flash. So far anyway, secstores are pretty small and compact flash cards aren't subject to head crashes. From matthias@mteege.de Mon May 10 22:11:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 21:56:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b69a7e2_a1b8_11d8_9e22_00304828b574_1983; Sun, 09 May 2004 21:56:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D24B34476D for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:56:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b0aafda_a1b8_11d8_96fb_00304828b574_1980; Sun, 09 May 2004 21:56:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1E6707580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:56:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB51A7580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:56:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4acaef1c_a1b8_11d8_83bd_00304828b574_1977; Sun, 09 May 2004 21:56:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D619634476D for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:56:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a17bbcc_a1b8_11d8_89f8_00304828b574_1972; Sun, 09 May 2004 21:56:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 0AF0619F3B; Sun, 9 May 2004 08:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B64A19C72; Sun, 9 May 2004 08:56:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 51CD319D79; Sun, 9 May 2004 08:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (one.mteege.de [81.2.131.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E0BE19CCF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 08:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6859 invoked by uid 66); 9 May 2004 12:55:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 1834 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2004 12:52:30 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 9 May 2004 12:52:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 79441 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 12:52:29 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 9 May 2004 12:52:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4702a51b5b45f9766411fc8b0e667243@mteege.de> From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] sam and stdin again Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 12:52:04 0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Moin, I playing with the following script. #!/bin/rc cat foo.txt | [3=1] sam -d /fd/3 << '!' w /fd/1 ! But I only get -. /fd/3 /fd/1: #0 in place of an echo. What is the probem? Matthias From boyd@insultant.net Mon May 10 22:11:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 9 23:16:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77301f22_a1c3_11d8_8371_00304828b574_2888; Sun, 09 May 2004 23:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA8434471D for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 23:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76fe6c52_a1c3_11d8_8c23_00304828b574_2885; Sun, 09 May 2004 23:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 548DD7580FA; Sun, 9 May 2004 23:16:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23A7580F9 for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 23:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76c0cabe_a1c3_11d8_9150_00304828b574_2882; Sun, 09 May 2004 23:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D9134471D for ; Sun, 9 May 2004 23:16:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 760b26be_a1c3_11d8_8439_00304828b574_2879; Sun, 09 May 2004 23:16:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 06C9219D6B; Sun, 9 May 2004 10:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 568CA19C1C; Sun, 9 May 2004 10:16:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 51FA719CBA; Sun, 9 May 2004 10:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12FEB19C0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 10:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E8C64671DA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:15:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <09c001c435cf$7cfe00a0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <4702a51b5b45f9766411fc8b0e667243@mteege.de> Subject: Re: [9fans] sam and stdin again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 16:11:04 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > #!/bin/rc > cat foo.txt | [3=1] sam -d /fd/3 << '!' > w /fd/1 > ! i don't think you want do it with a pipe based redirection. this does what you want: brahma% cat s #!/bin/rc echo foo | >[3=0] sam -d /fd/3 >[2] /dev/null <; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 40d1bb26_a1d6_11d8_8d70_00304828b574_13444; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D6A707580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0577580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 409248b0_a1d6_11d8_991b_00304828b574_13441; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CB7344E38 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3fddd786_a1d6_11d8_9891_00304828b574_13438; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3FE5119E53; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A81E219B49; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:30:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 63F5F19BD3; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (one.mteege.de [81.2.131.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61E7119C72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9588 invoked by uid 66); 9 May 2004 16:30:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 2669 invoked by uid 0); 9 May 2004 16:28:41 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 9 May 2004 16:28:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 93699 invoked from network); 9 May 2004 16:28:40 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 9 May 2004 16:28:40 -0000 Message-ID: <2639078ba1a669e2ca3eeb93d1ae1372@mteege.de> From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] sam regexp coverage Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 16:28:17 0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: I have another small problem with sam and regexp. I have a text with a lot of constructs like this one: Hello world http://my.domain:"This is a link" more text and http://another.domain:"This is another link" follows more text Now I try to translate the link in html syntax with ,x/(http.*)\:\".*\" s/(http.*):\"(.*\n*.*)\"/\2<\/a>/ The problem is, that the regexp matches both "links" not only the first ore the second one. I've tried to find a better one but its hopeless. ;-) Thanks for any hint Matthias From robpike@gmail.com Mon May 10 22:11:50 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 01:52:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c09ad58_a1d9_11d8_9cc6_00304828b574_828; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233DB3448D6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3bd7f59c_a1d9_11d8_8126_00304828b574_823; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 074787580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37147580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b99770e_a1d9_11d8_8d9f_00304828b574_820; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37AB3448D6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3add2f54_a1d9_11d8_9754_00304828b574_816; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1BF3119D3A; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D08619BAD; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:52:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 79A9819BAD; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7C2D919AEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 12:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so2030901rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 09 May 2004 09:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.62 with SMTP id p62mr480047cwc; Sun, 09 May 2004 09:51:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904050909514b882f5c@mail.gmail.com> From: Rob Pike To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] sam regexp coverage In-Reply-To: <2639078ba1a669e2ca3eeb93d1ae1372@mteege.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2639078ba1a669e2ca3eeb93d1ae1372@mteege.de> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 09:51:44 -0700 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: your problem is that .* is greedy. instead of .*" (maximal sequence of anything followed by quote) write [^"]*" (maximal sequence of not-quote, followed by quote). you don't need the backslashes for : and ". -rob On Sun, 9 May 2004 16:28:17 0000, Matthias Teege wrote: > > I have another small problem with sam and regexp. I have a text > with a lot of constructs like this one: > > Hello world http://my.domain:"This is a link" more text and > http://another.domain:"This is another link" follows more text > > Now I try to translate the link in html syntax with > ,x/(http.*)\:\".*\" s/(http.*):\"(.*\n*.*)\"/\2<\/a>/ > > The problem is, that the regexp matches both "links" not only > the first ore the second one. I've tried to find a better one but > its hopeless. ;-) > > Thanks for any hint > Matthias > From zer0db@fl2600.com Mon May 10 22:11:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 05:26:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28b3ecdc_a1f7_11d8_8da8_00304828b574_14185; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8463452E3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 287d643c_a1f7_11d8_9743_00304828b574_14180; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 77B717580FB; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A827580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2847b1ca_a1f7_11d8_9ec3_00304828b574_14177; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3D33452E5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 278dc10c_a1f7_11d8_9583_00304828b574_14154; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D7F0719ECD; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52DDD19EA9; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:26:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CEB4A19D3A; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mars.redskywebhosting.com (mail.redskywebhosting.com [69.57.138.58]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D19A119CDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fla2600 by mars.redskywebhosting.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BMurz-0007PM-J9 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 09 May 2004 16:25:55 -0400 Received: from 67.34.73.245 ([67.34.73.245]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user zer0db@fl2600.com) by www.fl2600.com with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53328.67.34.73.245.1084134355.squirrel@www.fl2600.com> From: zer0db@fl2600.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.redskywebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - cse.psu.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32012 513] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mars.redskywebhosting.com Subject: [9fans] kill process httpd Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * Im a new user to plan9 and I managed to get the http server up but how do I stop the process. I tried kill httpd , stop httpd and when i run ps the process is still sleeping. what am I doing wrong? Thanks brian From forsyth@terzarima.net Mon May 10 22:11:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 06:05:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a5b74ea_a1fc_11d8_9d9d_00304828b574_15000; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACE83449D4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a00d58a_a1fc_11d8_89a8_00304828b574_14997; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 621C57580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0CE7580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99905ae4_a1fc_11d8_9c1d_00304828b574_14994; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43E423449D4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 988bf982_a1fc_11d8_95fa_00304828b574_14991; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:05:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 144EE19F02; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:05:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7827D19EF6; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:05:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8CF1919D14; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D370219E8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0d8fa5729f118dca835f858036cd5f71@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] kill process httpd From: Charles Forsyth In-Reply-To: <53328.67.34.73.245.1084134355.squirrel@www.fl2600.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-vjhemxguxoctspjyyeyijpzvnd" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 22:04:00 +0100 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-vjhemxguxoctspjyyeyijpzvnd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit assuming you're piping the results of kill httpd into rc (ie, kill httpd | rc) the problem is quite likely to be that httpd becomes "none", a different user with notionally restricted access. if you're the host owner, you could try {Kill httpd | rc}; note the capital K it's just a suggestion. these things have changed a bit over the years and there are no dates attached to my memories. --upas-vjhemxguxoctspjyyeyijpzvnd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Sun May 9 21:27:33 BST 2004 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 875E119D3A; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58C5119D3A; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:26:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id CEB4A19D3A; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mars.redskywebhosting.com (mail.redskywebhosting.com [69.57.138.58]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D19A119CDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fla2600 by mars.redskywebhosting.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BMurz-0007PM-J9 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 09 May 2004 16:25:55 -0400 Received: from 67.34.73.245 ([67.34.73.245]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user zer0db@fl2600.com) by www.fl2600.com with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2004 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53328.67.34.73.245.1084134355.squirrel@www.fl2600.com> From: zer0db@fl2600.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.redskywebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - cse.psu.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32012 513] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mars.redskywebhosting.com Subject: [9fans] kill process httpd Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * Im a new user to plan9 and I managed to get the http server up but how do I stop the process. I tried kill httpd , stop httpd and when i run ps the process is still sleeping. what am I doing wrong? Thanks brian --upas-vjhemxguxoctspjyyeyijpzvnd-- From zer0db@fl2600.com Mon May 10 22:11:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 06:12:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95787b48_a1fd_11d8_9608_00304828b574_20634; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B49345105 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95469c4a_a1fd_11d8_926b_00304828b574_20631; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id ED4DE7580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47D97580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 950a5730_a1fd_11d8_8024_00304828b574_20628; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABADE345105 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9454f85e_a1fd_11d8_9be9_00304828b574_20625; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7BEC219F2B; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9401219EF7; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:12:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 6965B19EF7; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mars.redskywebhosting.com (mail.redskywebhosting.com [69.57.138.58]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A18C19ED1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fla2600 by mars.redskywebhosting.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BMvaJ-0007ia-2I for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 09 May 2004 17:11:43 -0400 Received: from 67.34.73.245 ([67.34.73.245]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user zer0db@fl2600.com) by www.fl2600.com with HTTP; Sun, 9 May 2004 17:11:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <53681.67.34.73.245.1084137103.squirrel@www.fl2600.com> In-Reply-To: <0d8fa5729f118dca835f858036cd5f71@terzarima.net> References: <53328.67.34.73.245.1084134355.squirrel@www.fl2600.com> <0d8fa5729f118dca835f858036cd5f71@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] kill process httpd From: zer0db@fl2600.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.redskywebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - cse.psu.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32012 513] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mars.redskywebhosting.com Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 17:11:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * > assuming you're piping the results of kill httpd into rc (ie, kill httpd | > rc) > the problem is quite likely to be that httpd becomes "none", a different > user > with notionally restricted access. if you're the host owner, you could > try {Kill httpd | rc}; > note the capital K > > it's just a suggestion. these things have changed a bit over the years > and there are no dates attached to my memories. > Thanks the capitol K did it. From boyd@insultant.net Mon May 10 22:11:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 09:28:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f86c6a8c_a218_11d8_8316_00304828b574_24787; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3063455EC for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f8315834_a218_11d8_8a45_00304828b574_24784; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 491897580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36F87580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7e47cda_a218_11d8_87fe_00304828b574_24781; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1F83455EC for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f730b13c_a218_11d8_8a33_00304828b574_24778; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8423819E88; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EDBF19D80; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:28:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AB75619C96; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 780DC19C47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 487126711D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <0a0d01c43625$1763c1c0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2639078ba1a669e2ca3eeb93d1ae1372@mteege.de> Subject: Re: [9fans] sam regexp coverage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:23:57 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: x (and y) are iteration operators. so ... once you understand them they are extremely powerful. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Mon May 10 22:11:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 09:59:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5230dc98_a21d_11d8_86a2_00304828b574_22420; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0961F3443AA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51f3dbd6_a21d_11d8_969e_00304828b574_22406; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5D5AC758103; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B5C75811D for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dc36446_a21d_11d8_9af4_00304828b574_22365; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BEE3441CB for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47ed4a64_a21d_11d8_86e5_00304828b574_22266; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 4D04719EB2; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EDDB19D10; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:59:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 9936A19D2B; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36CFE19C4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 20:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <179dcb4a1b43e13fa4e40c0ebd01491f@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto In-Reply-To: <159f0eb454338138f4f2c3f7268078da@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:59:42 +0900 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >compact flash cards > aren't subject to head crashes. Yeah!, it's the main point I followed your suggestion for our CF based Auth server. If we have no mechanical device, it may not be broken. =E2=98=BA Kenji From boyd@insultant.net Mon May 10 22:11:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 10:05:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22b27034_a21e_11d8_9305_00304828b574_27863; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F9D344AE3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 227b612a_a21e_11d8_995d_00304828b574_27860; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B40637580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534687580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 222ae452_a21e_11d8_8fe6_00304828b574_27857; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE2C344AE3 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21766914_a21e_11d8_92da_00304828b574_27850; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:05:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 16A7119DC7; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31A9919D18; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:05:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2F94419D2B; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D7EC19D10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F1716711C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:04:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <0a2901c4362a$2e20e2d0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2639078ba1a669e2ca3eeb93d1ae1372@mteege.de> <7359f04904050909514b882f5c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] sam regexp coverage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 03:00:14 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > your problem is that .* is greedy. yes, as it always has been (ie. not a sam related problem). From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 13:45:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3499386_a23c_11d8_9fbc_00304828b574_25386; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E190934599A for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e318bc02_a23c_11d8_8381_00304828b574_25383; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C737C7580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD777580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2da6448_a23c_11d8_81cb_00304828b574_25380; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E7634599A for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2127d2a_a23c_11d8_9637_00304828b574_25371; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:45:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id C58ED19F47; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B49C19F3E; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:45:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 166E419F2E; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 290E519BD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A4hm04005434 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:43:50 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 06:43:43 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Although it doesn't sound like it's what you want anymore, > you could use aux/disksim to get an sd(3)-like interface > to an arbitrary file. I think I actually still need this, thanks for pointing me in that direction. I'm a bit swamped with options that I don't entirely understand, I'll try to summarise once I've figured out quite what I need/want to do. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 14:00:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f27b5e14_a23e_11d8_81a8_00304828b574_7288; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:00:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3543444C4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:00:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1e0f1f8_a23e_11d8_860b_00304828b574_7278; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:00:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 72C287580FB; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:00:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3233C7580FA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:00:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f192d0ea_a23e_11d8_8b91_00304828b574_7272; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:00:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5B634452F for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:56:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 667932a6_a23e_11d8_990e_00304828b574_2795; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:56:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 39DB819F56; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F27A19BD5; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:56:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EF3DE19F08; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6877119F2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A4st04005474 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 06:54:57 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <1e27b005cd0b76474b20811638713784@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <06d501c4350f$006a13f0$265d7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 06:54:52 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > that's my guess and i've got a USB one. on windows it looks like > a disk, but i'm damn sure there's a lot of guff in there to make it > look like a disk. i can't imagine it to be pretty. I ought to wait until I've had a chance to get my wits about me, but what needs to be mentioned is that I have two distinct issues here: a "compact flash" card (thanks, forsyth) and a USB-based reader-writer (with four slots, by the way, I have no idea what to do with three of them). I can't use the CF card under Plan 9 just yet, nor the USB reader-writer, but I want the CF to have a bootable Plan 9 image on it. Ideally, I'd like to choose between Plan 9 and NetBSD, as the Plan 9 features I want are still being developed (USB, graphics etc.) whereas NetBSD already supports them. I haven't yet exhausted all the possibility, nor really identified and studied them. But I have been given plenty of information from contributors on the list and I'm glad that the information is being archived as I'm sure other will also benefit from the advice. ++L PS: In fact, I _can_ now write the CF card on the thin client, where it is presently seen as a somewhat weird IDE disk (I'll post the details elsewhere just for curiosity, I think something needs fixing in disk/fdisk), but I'm reluctant to do so as it's the only device and if I overwrite its current configuration booting Plan 9 the thin clients may become an impossibility. Once I'm more confident, I'll try that path. For the time being, I want a somewhat less risky approach. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 14:09:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b686aae_a240_11d8_92ee_00304828b574_17233; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D345344228 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b2fcc08_a240_11d8_86cc_00304828b574_17208; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 08A7B7580FF; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1744475810B for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:08:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2511777c_a240_11d8_903d_00304828b574_16549; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76282344BB9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c1d766a_a23f_11d8_8921_00304828b574_9630; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 2659E19F3E; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A0EF19F00; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:02:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id E49CF19F15; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1333C19BD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A51604005511 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 07:01:07 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <59a8106fd075cb00f15aef6ee418f22f@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <200405082145.i48Ljtev004257@adat.davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 07:01:03 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > 1) kfs is unusable -- it is too slow to put it on a CF; fossil works fine. Will you please explain? It is not clear whether CF is used as the KFS storage or merely to hold kfs itself. I ask because CF has a limited write lifetime, being intended more as read-only storage (a few thousand write cycles?). I'm not sure all reader of this list are aware of this, so I thought I'd mention it. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 14:09:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b7530a8_a240_11d8_9a9c_00304828b574_17613; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB1D3442B2 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b3f40f6_a240_11d8_9542_00304828b574_17607; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 458A075810B; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0D2758117 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36b76f90_a240_11d8_9214_00304828b574_17567; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413F9344329 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33f0f6e6_a240_11d8_8077_00304828b574_17529; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:09:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 149D819F4D; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 237A219E57; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:09:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 7498F19D80; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7290C19D3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A58R04005542 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 07:08:28 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <1ca81ad28cc4dac2df64c57a8ee4b980@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 07:08:24 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > It's not too hard to find PCMCIA adapters for compact flash > cards that make them look like IDE disks, but what I found > (see the archives) was a family of adapters that make a compact > flash card emulate an IDE disk, complete with IDE connector, > or a complete IDE bus with one disk on it, and that plugs straight > into a motherboard IDE connector. So far they have just worked > for booting my terminal and main cpu server. We've just moved, > so as I set up machines again, more boot disks will get replaced > by compact flash cards, especially in the file servers. That's on my list of things to source. The other, which I mentioned, is an IDE connector attached to a printed circuit board with two chips on it, I presume one is Flash RAM, the other ATA interfacing. But right now I need to use what I already have, which I mentioned in a previous message. But I am grateful for all suggestions, I may just not be able to pursue each and every one of them :-) ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 14:12:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5fc3f48_a240_11d8_86ce_00304828b574_20889; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E258A3445DF for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5b6b590_a240_11d8_808c_00304828b574_20878; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0747F758103; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AB6758102 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3232156_a240_11d8_8f3d_00304828b574_20858; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE35A344BD6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a15c6d3c_a240_11d8_8f1f_00304828b574_20805; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 26A1C19F32; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C03619EB2; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:12:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 599CD19D80; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7811819C1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A5B104005596 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 07:11:02 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <6dd2cce273e137d07cc23205e5abc6b1@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <159f0eb454338138f4f2c3f7268078da@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 07:10:57 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > I've also been thinking of putting /adm/secstore on compact flash. > So far anyway, secstores are pretty small and compact flash cards > aren't subject to head crashes. Keep in mind the limited write cycle life, though. At the very least, you need to be able to back up the contents before end-of life. Does anyone here have specifics? I presume CF cards just become read-only, but perhaps they corrupt once their write cycle is exhausted? ++L From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Mon May 10 22:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 14:25:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74b866da_a242_11d8_9f8f_00304828b574_32010; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6237F344BF5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 748770f2_a242_11d8_8aa4_00304828b574_32007; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 44D457580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D4A7580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 744932e2_a242_11d8_8200_00304828b574_32004; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B77344BF5 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7396303e_a242_11d8_875e_00304828b574_32000; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 06D4E19E57; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09B3119CA9; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:25:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 29D9C19D23; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49FA619BB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto In-Reply-To: <6dd2cce273e137d07cc23205e5abc6b1@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:34 +0900 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Keep in mind the limited write cycle life, though. 300,000 cycles per logical sector seems to be long enough for Auth server, I don't mean CPU server. Kenji From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 14:31:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 48c735e6_a243_11d8_915a_00304828b574_5000; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2999034594E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 489561ba_a243_11d8_9779_00304828b574_4997; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 114447580FB; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E8E7580FA for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 485321ce_a243_11d8_8061_00304828b574_4994; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34E334594E for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4798f6d2_a243_11d8_9393_00304828b574_4990; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:31:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 853BD19F57; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C86C19CA9; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:31:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 8F04819E22; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1350719CA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A5UY04005653 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 07:30:36 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 07:30:31 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >> Keep in mind the limited write cycle life, though. > > 300,000 cycles per logical sector seems to be long enough > for Auth server, I don't mean CPU server. > Wow! that seems enough for anything! Specially Venti :-) ++L From zer0db@fl2600.com Mon May 10 22:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 15:58:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 730eecca_a24f_11d8_8164_00304828b574_18486; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEC0344C61 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72dba70c_a24f_11d8_895a_00304828b574_18483; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E38567580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9DA7580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 729af342_a24f_11d8_9c8d_00304828b574_18480; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44AE344C61 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 71e7141c_a24f_11d8_949e_00304828b574_18477; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:58:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D6F4319F00; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C845919C4B; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3B9EF19C4A; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mars.redskywebhosting.com (mail.redskywebhosting.com [69.57.138.58]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49CA619B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fla2600 by mars.redskywebhosting.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1BN4iT-0003Fn-AJ for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:56:45 -0400 Received: from 68.223.232.46 ([68.223.232.46]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user zer0db@fl2600.com) by fl2600.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 02:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <50755.68.223.232.46.1084172204.squirrel@fl2600.com> From: zer0db@fl2600.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mars.redskywebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - cse.psu.edu X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32012 513] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mars.redskywebhosting.com Subject: [9fans] pop3 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:56:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: * I cant seem to connect to a remote mail server (pop3) and display it as a local file. Would I use upas/fs . I know im missing something cause the last time I got it to work I had to authenticate then everything will show up in faces. From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Mon May 10 22:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 16:29:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c668138e_a253_11d8_9ee6_00304828b574_14332; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C90345B43 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c622bdc0_a253_11d8_8b50_00304828b574_14327; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 944527580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8657580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5d5086e_a253_11d8_9425_00304828b574_14323; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469EF345B43 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c520e03c_a253_11d8_9123_00304828b574_14303; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 3D55F19B4E; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D2C619C07; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:29:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 5A34D19C90; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5843D19B4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 93260 invoked from network); 10 May 2004 07:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 10 May 2004 07:28:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2004 07:28:46 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i4A7SkF189726; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:28:46 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <2d6d16851600bb708811bc5f74724a77@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pop3 From: YAMANASHI Takeshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 16:28:43 +0900 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: On Mon May 10 15:58:32 JST 2004, zer0db@fl2600.com wrote: > I cant seem to connect to a remote mail server (pop3) and display it as a > local file. Would I use upas/fs . Options to upas/fs shouldn't be `upas/fs -f /pop/mail_server/user_name' ? -- From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 16:55:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5af46892_a257_11d8_980e_00304828b574_6930; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:55:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F503441A4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:55:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5aa3c388_a257_11d8_9742_00304828b574_6888; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:55:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 149277580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:55:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF23E75810B for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:54:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5580eee4_a257_11d8_9ab9_00304828b574_6432; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:54:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E10344660 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:53:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a40e1f4_a257_11d8_909f_00304828b574_5074; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:53:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AAC7C19D16; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DAB119C4B; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:53:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 61FE719BA5; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A96919C07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 03:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A7qK04006157 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 09:52:22 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <8d56cb55b108b13f7780364c26259b35@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Compact FLASH progress (Was: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep)) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 09:52:16 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Although it doesn't sound like it's what you want anymore, > you could use aux/disksim to get an sd(3)-like interface > to an arbitrary file. That was precisely where I wanted to go. It all seems fine now, I have successfully formatted the device as a Plan 9 IDE disk and booted both 9load and the kernel from it. Not a lot that one can do in 16Meg (well I used to run a full development system under DOS in considerably less disk space, but we've advanced from there :-) but proof of concept was all I needed. Just one caveat: It seems necessary to set the geometry "right" for aux/disksim. NetBSD reports a different geometry via USB from that established by the Plan 9 ata device driver in the thin client. There really does not seem to be an easy route, what I did was bootstrap Plan 9 via a DOS boot to query the geometry through /dev/sdC0/ctl. ++L PS: Now back to the SiS_550 graphics :-( From dvd@davidashen.net Mon May 10 22:11:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 17:58:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3068d014_a260_11d8_93b3_00304828b574_28603; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA00E345C4F for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 30378e46_a260_11d8_969e_00304828b574_28600; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 88F547580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293477580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2fe6fb84_a260_11d8_860a_00304828b574_28597; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29BE8345C4F for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f2d6e30_a260_11d8_9ecb_00304828b574_28591; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 930E919C90; Mon, 10 May 2004 04:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66F8F19C7B; Mon, 10 May 2004 04:58:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DD2AA19AFD; Mon, 10 May 2004 04:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6A5819AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 04:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4A8uNFw039099 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:56:23 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <59a8106fd075cb00f15aef6ee418f22f@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:57:11 +0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >> 1) kfs is unusable -- it is too slow to put it on a CF; fossil works fine. > > Will you please explain? It is not clear whether CF is used as the > KFS storage or merely to hold kfs itself. > 1. The guaranteed lifetime is 300,000 write cycles. Unless you put swap on CF, it is unlikely to expire soon even with development being conducted on it. 2. kfs is too slow (disk operations are unbuffered) to be used with CF. Installation itself takes forever. 3. fossil is fine, I have a 400 Mb partition on a 512 Mb Toshiba (Kingston-labeled) CF; the speed is acceptable. > I ask because CF has a limited write lifetime, being intended more as > read-only storage (a few thousand write cycles?). I'm not sure all > reader of this list are aware of this, so I thought I'd mention it. Time will show; unless i'm wrong with my calculations, I have a few years of use it as my main filesystem. Time will show. David From nemo@lsub.org Mon May 10 22:11:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 18:16:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c19e8c52_a262_11d8_95c6_00304828b574_15371; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:16:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1934344CAB for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:16:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c13c2666_a262_11d8_97c4_00304828b574_15362; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:16:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 395E77580FD; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:16:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309577580FE for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:16:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be611e88_a262_11d8_87ce_00304828b574_15319; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:16:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480B8344CFD for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:10:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb496f28_a261_11d8_8e4d_00304828b574_8335; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:10:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id EF20E19E57; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B74519F1A; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:10:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id BB41819FC4; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D57A219C7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Fco.J.Ballesteros In-Reply-To: <51bdf33d3f21cd9477dcf67a9a90938e@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bbbqkqasyhoiiqociqilzejzcf" Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:09:35 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bbbqkqasyhoiiqociqilzejzcf Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The bitsy is using paqfs instead of sacfs. Perhaps you'd want to look at them too. --upas-bbbqkqasyhoiiqociqilzejzcf Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Sat May 8 11:57:19 MDT 2004 Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id AADFB19F7F; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E60B19DA8; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:57:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id D8F1419DA8; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26B1119C88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 05:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i489uI04024792 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 8 May 2004 11:56:19 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <51bdf33d3f21cd9477dcf67a9a90938e@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <7d571d40f23ce2bcad1fe5f2c0bdce39@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 11:56:14 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > If it's not been done yet, is it going to be difficult and will anyone > else find it useful? Well, call me stupid! mksacfs(8) and sacfs(4). I'm going to try it. ++L --upas-bbbqkqasyhoiiqociqilzejzcf-- From lucio@proxima.alt.za Mon May 10 22:11:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 18:18:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0bc1cba0_a263_11d8_9e61_00304828b574_17878; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394E3344579 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0b4a7d2a_a263_11d8_86d3_00304828b574_17862; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 12601758100; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:47 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B79F758120 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0573e314_a263_11d8_842a_00304828b574_17750; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C903441E1 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fef15594_a262_11d8_9d64_00304828b574_17608; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:18:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B843919D49; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D9DD19D3D; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:18:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 1983019CBB; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BD8E19B65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4A9HU04006726 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 11:17:31 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <43fa660d631508b7f74708ebe1600675@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 11:17:26 +0200 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > The bitsy is using paqfs instead of sacfs. Perhaps you'd want > to look at them too. It seems to me that some rationalisation of all these little tools would not go amiss. But maybe all that is needed is a little more documentation. Aux/disksim would be my first choice, I'm not sure if I can muster enough enthusiasm to do it or will just resign myself to a permanent feeling of guilt :-( ++L From dvd@davidashen.net Mon May 10 22:11:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 18:52:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c106afae_a267_11d8_87c7_00304828b574_14104; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3833345CA6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c0d592ca_a267_11d8_8970_00304828b574_14101; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A546A7580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9FC7580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c09538b0_a267_11d8_85f5_00304828b574_14097; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63864345CA6 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfdf98f2_a267_11d8_895a_00304828b574_14094; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:52:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id DC36A19D0F; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1484819C7B; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:52:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id B790A19BE4; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A58219C06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 05:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4A9ocFw039309 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:50:38 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:51:27 +0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: >> I ask because CF has a limited write lifetime, being intended more as >> read-only storage (a few thousand write cycles?). I'm not sure all >> reader of this list are aware of this, so I thought I'd mention it. > > Time will show; unless i'm wrong with my calculations, I have a few years > of use it as my main filesystem. Time will show. Suppose there is a cell that gets overwritten every minute. 300,000 minutes is 208 days. The worst thing happens is that it fails after more than half a year of operation. But this is not the case, first, overage frequency is much less than 1 per minute. Then, the file system has cache, and the cache further decreases frequency. That's how I get a few years of operation. Correct me if I am wrong. David From boyd@insultant.net Mon May 10 22:11:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 10 20:22:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c25c3f2_a274_11d8_9d24_00304828b574_30488; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294A2345D82 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4bf4ba8c_a274_11d8_8f06_00304828b574_30485; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0B61F7580FA; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E337580F9 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4bb49f10_a274_11d8_9259_00304828b574_30482; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D95345D82 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b0376ea_a274_11d8_9433_00304828b574_30479; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:22:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4F2F19AE8; Mon, 10 May 2004 07:22:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B6EB19AC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 07:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.93.38]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AF962671AC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 13:21:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <0b2201c43680$6b09e1a0$265d7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 13:17:24 +0200 > 300,000 minutes is 208 days. 300k does not sound like a large number, so i'd choose its application carefully. a cache may be an option which may prolong its lifetime but they do have to be written. From ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Wed May 12 07:31:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 04:59:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7fc914fa_a2bc_11d8_992a_00304828b574_3188; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:59:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B6A344652 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:59:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e61bf0e_a2bc_11d8_83cd_00304828b574_3042; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:59:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3B90F7580FB; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:59:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC25A7580F9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:59:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e0a076e_a2bc_11d8_9f44_00304828b574_3039; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:59:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FDA344652 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:55:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0c363a72_a2bc_11d8_9097_00304828b574_31980; Tue, 11 May 2004 04:55:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CDDB19F15 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:55:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00C5F19D57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28285-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ob1.cmich.edu (ob1.cmich.edu [141.209.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5036F19D3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by ob1.cmich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4AJpxQ7001526 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:51:59 -0400 Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.169.81]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5FD1F95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 15:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:55:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Ishwar Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Bayes-Prob: 0.9796 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ATI Rage XL/8Mb video card.. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I did not find it in the supported list. Is any one using this card (embedded video on a Intel server motherboard)? -ishwar From vdharani@infernopark.com Wed May 12 07:31:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 05:15:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1a5e05e_a2be_11d8_9d6d_00304828b574_21348; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB883449B7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c17232b8_a2be_11d8_8031_00304828b574_21345; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 025297580FA; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2855A75810D for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfbae348_a2be_11d8_9d2a_00304828b574_21326; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C948344E84 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6b63fea_a2be_11d8_886a_00304828b574_20468; Tue, 11 May 2004 05:15:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 943E219F8F for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:14:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7337B19D08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07684-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:14:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E66719B97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i4AMbHZ14145; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:37:17 -0400 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 18:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2918.192.11.226.116.1084228637.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] ATI Rage XL/8Mb video card.. From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I did not find it in the supported list. Is any one using > this card (embedded video on a Intel server motherboard)? i am using a dual-pentium intel server motherboard with ATI Rage XL and i= t does 1600x1200(x8) well. The board reads "Intel Server Board - INTEL7501BR2". so i guess it should work fine for you too. thanks dharani From ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Wed May 12 07:31:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 06:02:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52dee434_a2c5_11d8_9cd0_00304828b574_27718; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E435434507A for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 523b5b48_a2c5_11d8_8449_00304828b574_27660; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 97A5C7580FA; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3687580F9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51c807ce_a2c5_11d8_881b_00304828b574_27616; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04CD34507A for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50336cb4_a2c5_11d8_953e_00304828b574_27471; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:02:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9932C19E45 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:02:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49C5E19BDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11272-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ob1.cmich.edu (ob1.cmich.edu [141.209.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DD0019A68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by ob1.cmich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4AKwUQ7003099 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 16:58:30 -0400 Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.169.81]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF801F95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:02:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ishwar Rattan To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ATI Rage XL/8Mb video card.. In-Reply-To: <2918.192.11.226.116.1084228637.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Message-ID: References: <2918.192.11.226.116.1084228637.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0020 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Unfortunately it does not. Can you post the vgadb entry for this card? Thanks, -ishwar On Mon, 10 May 2004 vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: > > > I did not find it in the supported list. Is any one using > > this card (embedded video on a Intel server motherboard)? > i am using a dual-pentium intel server motherboard with ATI Rage XL and it > does 1600x1200(x8) well. The board reads "Intel Server Board - > INTEL7501BR2". so i guess it should work fine for you too. > > thanks > dharani > > > > From vdharani@infernopark.com Wed May 12 07:31:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 06:45:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5082bd9a_a2cb_11d8_8862_00304828b574_3488; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49ED734510B for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 501429c0_a2cb_11d8_813c_00304828b574_3448; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2A1D87580FA; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CBF7580F9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4fa04dc0_a2cb_11d8_89e2_00304828b574_3387; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D839534510B for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e82208a_a2cb_11d8_81ff_00304828b574_3282; Tue, 11 May 2004 06:45:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E4A419D84 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:45:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7737219CC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11273-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04CF519AA9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i4B07YZ14464; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:07:34 -0400 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38939.192.11.226.116.1084234054.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] ATI Rage XL/8Mb video card.. From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_20040510200734_40146" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ------=_20040510200734_40146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable not sure how i should do it but i did this: % aux/vga -B > vgad.txt (i pruned most of the later part of the output) % aux/vga -p > vgap i have attached the files. hope this helps. if i need to do something more, please let me know. thanks dharani > Unfortunately it does not. > Can you post the vgadb entry for this card? > > Thanks, > -ishwar > > > On Mon, 10 May 2004 vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: > >> >> > I did not find it in the supported list. Is any one using >> > this card (embedded video on a Intel server motherboard)? >> i am using a dual-pentium intel server motherboard with ATI Rage XL >> and it does 1600x1200(x8) well. 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VCLK3 0 mach64xx pixel clock = 50350000 ATI BIOS rom 0x114 freq 0x0 clock 0x97c clocks: 43605 60224 9083 100 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 360 0 0 16969 programmable clock: 4 clock to program: 3 reference numerator: 14320 reference denominator: 1 internal clock reference divider in plls panelid 85 x 1 y 0 ------=_20040510200734_40146-- From demo36576@swissmail.org Wed May 12 07:31:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 09:35:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1080da52_a2e3_11d8_8eda_00304828b574_25286; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:35:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9513452D1 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:35:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1048daa8_a2e3_11d8_8e8a_00304828b574_25279; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:35:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C55B7580FA; Tue, 11 May 2004 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<1084235479.40a01ed7453a1@secure.swissmail.org> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 02:31:19 +0200 From: Demo Account To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Does plan 9 use x11? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello, i have a question. i am struggle with other poster in reactos forum, for x11 in plan 9. By default, does plan 9 use x11? he insist that plan 9 use x11, otherwise, i think it isn't. am i right? -- PS: this mail is 1-day demo swiss email. From russcox@gmail.com Wed May 12 07:31:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 09:48:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8ee7b64_a2e4_11d8_8aed_00304828b574_3738; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4741345317 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8b77bd2_a2e4_11d8_969f_00304828b574_3735; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AFAD17580FA; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685707580F9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e87ddd28_a2e4_11d8_93ac_00304828b574_3732; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73211345317 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7cae6c8_a2e4_11d8_9046_00304828b574_3729; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:48:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D40A19D9F for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:48:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7C7719BFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24933-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F2ED719BF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so7279cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.51 with SMTP id u51mr12058cwc; Mon, 10 May 2004 17:47:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:47:57 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Does plan 9 use x11? In-Reply-To: <1084235479.40a01ed7453a1@secure.swissmail.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1084235479.40a01ed7453a1@secure.swissmail.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Does Plan 9 use X11? No. From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed May 12 07:32:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 12:13:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36091850_a2f9_11d8_89c3_00304828b574_7106; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 033F3344B40 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 35c5269a_a2f9_11d8_8d8c_00304828b574_7103; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D93D97580F9; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5DF7580FA for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3580d968_a2f9_11d8_9b95_00304828b574_7100; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBFA344B40 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 34c816da_a2f9_11d8_826a_00304828b574_7091; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:13:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D3E019E57 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2465519D40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12237-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FBD119C7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4B3DGik017739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:13:16 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4B3DGp9027017 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:13:16 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4B3DGwO008790 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 21:13:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:13:16 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] space in essid .... X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've tried: echo essid 'x y' > ctl and echo essid x\ y > ctl so how would I set the essid to something with a space ... no luck so far. Another question: is there an 802.11 sniffer for Plan 9, i.e. something you could use to sniff for a wifi and then output a string to cat > ctl to get you on to a network. thanks ron From brucee@chunder.com Wed May 12 07:32:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 12:27:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13478930_a2fb_11d8_8d85_00304828b574_18294; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963D3345409 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 12f5e864_a2fb_11d8_8804_00304828b574_18253; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F1E2E7580FA; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D467580FD for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 120b4a20_a2fb_11d8_9194_00304828b574_18175; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC6F345401 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 112dc632_a2fb_11d8_82ba_00304828b574_18055; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:27:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0F0A19DC4 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:27:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBF4C19AD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12952-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 027A619AB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2322 invoked by uid 89); 11 May 2004 03:10:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 11 May 2004 03:10:04 -0000 Message-ID: <40A048A5.9060902@chunder.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 13:29:41 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] space in essid .... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu you are getting tokenized by the ctl file as well as rc so you might try echo essid '''x y''' > ctl or even echo 'essid ''x y''' > ctl ron minnich wrote: > I've tried: > echo essid 'x y' > ctl > and > echo essid x\ y > ctl > > so how would I set the essid to something with a space ... > no luck so far. > > Another question: is there an 802.11 sniffer for Plan 9, i.e. something > you could use to sniff for a wifi and then output a string to cat > ctl to > get you on to a network. > > thanks > > ron From russcox@gmail.com Wed May 12 07:32:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 12:57:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 558aa990_a2ff_11d8_8f64_00304828b574_10394; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4429C344520 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54ef55b2_a2ff_11d8_92ed_00304828b574_10385; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D0F58758100; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923927580FD for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54879166_a2ff_11d8_9974_00304828b574_10381; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7626A34546C for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4737f686_a2ff_11d8_83ce_00304828b574_10138; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:57:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7D1D1A005 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:56:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7641E19B81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12953-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.240]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id B86D919B36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 23:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so3971cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.69 with SMTP id u69mr14264cwc; Mon, 10 May 2004 20:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:49:55 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] space in essid .... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu echo 'essid ''x y''' >ctl or cat >ctl essid 'x y' ^D if you just echo essid '''''' >ctl that usually makes the card pick the first one it sees. From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed May 12 07:32:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 23:42:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73c4267a_a359_11d8_93ad_00304828b574_28909; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D520345699 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7391d92c_a359_11d8_878d_00304828b574_28904; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3FE0C7580FA; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E82C07580F9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73500ede_a359_11d8_8294_00304828b574_28900; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A20345697 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 729bd6a8_a359_11d8_9dbc_00304828b574_28897; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:42:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A8041A005 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:42:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDE1419D6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04893-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F36B719D38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4BEg8ik009284 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:42:08 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4BEg7p9018335 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:42:07 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4BEg7wO031581 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:42:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 08:42:06 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] space in essid .... In-Reply-To: <40A048A5.9060902@chunder.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 11 May 2004, Bruce Ellis wrote: > you are getting tokenized by the ctl file as well > as rc so you might try > > echo essid '''x y''' > ctl yeah I figured that out after sending the letter. Silly of me -- all I had to do was read the tokenize source and all was clear. I need to get used to a few things: - all the source is there :-) - it's quite readable :-) - it's O(100) less code than current *n*x distros to do anything. :-) - it's better source than I can write :-) or :=-( I had just come off working with a linux system that had a 941-line script just to bring up enet, and bad habits come back quick. Lesson: if you're on Plan 9, UTSL. ah, wireless. it's back. ron From rog@vitanuova.com Wed May 12 07:32:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 11 23:53:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9da8cd0_a35a_11d8_9292_00304828b574_6971; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:53:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF0D63442EC for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:53:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f91ad570_a35a_11d8_9e2f_00304828b574_6964; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:53:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9085A758103; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:53:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527287580FC for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:53:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f8c2f7ce_a35a_11d8_8db7_00304828b574_6960; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:53:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BD13442EC for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:49:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 70ca7df6_a35a_11d8_9b65_00304828b574_2672; Tue, 11 May 2004 23:49:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7515819F09 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:49:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7266519C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04627-01-85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B52BE19AF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 10:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] space in essid .... Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:55:26 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > - it's O(100) less code than current *n*x distros to do anything. :-) and there's me thinking that O(100) is equivalent to O(1)... :-) From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Wed May 12 07:32:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 00:09:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3564b418_a35d_11d8_974c_00304828b574_24250; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7991234432F for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 350fc11a_a35d_11d8_983a_00304828b574_24247; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 659857580F9; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEA57580FA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 34b5e438_a35d_11d8_9a17_00304828b574_24244; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC7B34434A for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33ad1bc4_a35d_11d8_8668_00304828b574_24232; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:09:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82DBB19F12 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:09:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3931219C78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05957-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C183619E51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i4BF8tCi028932 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:08:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4BF8utS020873 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:08:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i4BF8ut22455 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 17:08:56 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200405111508.i4BF8ut22455@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] space in essid .... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 May 2004 21:13:16 -0600." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 17:08:56 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <22448.1084288033.1@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> > Another question: is there an 802.11 sniffer for Plan 9, i.e. something > you could use to sniff for a wifi and then output a string to cat > ctl to > get you on to a network. (Think I did not see an answer to above question) There is a thread (around 17 Jan 2003) with subject scanning for base stations/access points that seems to give (part of?) what you are looking for. I think the main thing you are looking for is in the message quoted from presotto, below. ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu> Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs [130.89.10.247]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ID7T2s007739 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:07:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0ID7QWx016349 for ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 14:07:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10A11199BB; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:07:09 -0500 (EST) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from dragon.ti.com (news.ti.com [192.94.94.33]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FC1B199BB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:06:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from dlep8.itg.ti.com ([157.170.134.88]) by dragon.ti.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0ID6YFG007209 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:06:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlep8.itg.ti.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dlep8.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28072 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:06:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlep98.itg.ti.com (dlep98.itg.ti.com [157.170.134.104]) by dlep8.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA28064 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:06:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from dlee70.itg.ti.com (dlee70.itg.ti.com [157.170.135.145]) by dlep98.itg.ti.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA04438 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:06:33 -0600 (CST) Received: by dlee70.itg.ti.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:06:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Woodruff, Richard" To: "'9fans@cse.psu.edu'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] scanning for base stations/access points MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 07:06:32 -0600 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS-perl11-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: I've got this kind of thing to work for other cards, though I haven't looked at it specifically for the wavelan design. I'd look first to what is going out over the air using Airopeek or some other 802.11 sniffer. Scanning usually is done actively with a probe request or passively by listening for beacons (the firmware or driver software may combine them if the ssid is hidden). A scan command results in a card spending some amount of time on each valid channel listening, or actively asking if someone is there (you tell him who to ask for). If your scan sample time is to short you can miss beacons or responses, if your valid channel list is wrong you might skip channels which ap's are on. These parameters are embedded somewhere, likely in a mib which the driver can access. If your AP is configured to hide its ssid, it generally sends out the same number of blanks as the name should be for the name field in the beacon. To know if this is your ap you must send out a probe with the proper name to this station, he will respond directly to you if you got it right. From there the 802.11 auth and association steps can happen as you know the proper mac address of the ap. Its common for several AP's to be assigned the same name, in this case you should really listen for the one with the strongest signal strength as its likely the closest. Sorry if this isn't useful, if nothing else it might make some of the magic numbers which always seem to be about to have some more meaning. Regards, Richard W. "David Presotto" wrote in message news:<0804bb7df734019ee83edc06179e4f32@plan9.bell-labs.com>... > I've updated the kernel sources for: > > port/netif.h > port/netif.c > port/wavelan.h > port/wavelan.c > > to try to get scanning for base stations/access points to work. I > ripped off what I could from Linux but seem to be faiing miserably. > If I don't set the essid, the scanning seems to work but doesn't > return the essid of the access points. It also doesn't get all the > access points in range. If I set the essid, it gets them all and > returns the essid values. > > I'm clearly doing something wrong but don't see what. If anyone can > help, I'ld appreciate it. > > To get the scanning to work: > > % cd /net/ether0/0 > % cat data & > % echo scanbs 5 > ctl > > The '5' is the seconds between scans (5 is the minimum). > > You might also want to turn stuff off to see if it changes > things: > > % echo crypt off > ctl > % echo essid default > ctl > > Thanks ------- =_aaaaaaaaaa0-- From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed May 12 07:32:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 00:21:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1eb3e36_a35e_11d8_8f5a_00304828b574_1429; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E423447DD for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1b844b8_a35e_11d8_882c_00304828b574_1426; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 82EEA7580FA; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A337580F9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1767cea_a35e_11d8_9807_00304828b574_1423; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CC63447DD for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0c16cba_a35e_11d8_8eaa_00304828b574_1419; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:21:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65D0519F28 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:21:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A507419AAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05957-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2DEE19AA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4BFLBik027997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:21:11 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4BFLBp9013316 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:21:11 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4BF21wO032746 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 09:02:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 09:02:01 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] space in essid .... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 11 May 2004 rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > - it's O(100) less code than current *n*x distros to do anything. :-) > > and there's me thinking that O(100) is equivalent to O(1)... :-) well, that's the difference between CS and engineering ... the CS guys tell me that lifting a 1000-lb. weight is same order as lifting a 10lb. weight. I think they're just all athletes in CS. ron From rog@vitanuova.com Wed May 12 07:32:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 00:39:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5877ad62_a361_11d8_9b16_00304828b574_16176; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E849344792 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 583f834c_a361_11d8_8030_00304828b574_16170; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6207C7580FA; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7957580F9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5802277c_a361_11d8_867c_00304828b574_16136; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 230BB344792 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 574ca6b8_a361_11d8_9269_00304828b574_16065; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:39:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5146119EC7 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:39:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D3E419E1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11823-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09F7C19E02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c2cc508cd0b9fd72c11315b4d8fa087@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] space in essid .... Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:44:56 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > the CS guys tell me that lifting a 1000-lb. weight is same order as > lifting a 10lb. weight. it is... but order is often irrelevant to reality. From rog@vitanuova.com Wed May 12 07:32:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 03:36:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 187b6a3c_a37a_11d8_9f4c_00304828b574_3729; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916DD34577A for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 18449458_a37a_11d8_9fe9_00304828b574_3726; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 729CA7580FA; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1057580F9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1803f308_a37a_11d8_84e0_00304828b574_3723; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EEA34577A for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1749b722_a37a_11d8_9f4f_00304828b574_3719; Wed, 12 May 2004 03:36:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DAC4D19F16 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:36:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27E7C19EFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26646-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0EB519EFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 14:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5af454af871f92500ab67496a2152d52@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Printenv(1) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:41:57 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > For something that handles lists properly, > > cd /env > whatis * | grep '=' pity about the "not found" messages, problems with variables containing newlines and other exceptions... for more-than-casual use, i think a C tool would probably be better, maybe something like this: #include #include void printenv(char *name, int len) { int r, f, z; char *ans, *t, *ep, *p; char *ename; ename = smprint("#e/%s", name); f = open(ename, OREAD); if(f < 0) return; ans = malloc(len+1); if(ans){ r = read(f, ans, len); print("%q=", name); if(r >= 0){ ep = ans + r; t = ans; z = 0; for(p = ans; p < ep; p++){ if(*p == '\0'){ print("%q ", t); t = p+1; z = 1; } } if(z == 0){ *p = '\0'; print("%q", ans); } print("\n"); } } close(f); free(ans); } void main(int, char **) { int fd, i; long nd; Dir *buf; fd = open("#e", OREAD); nd = dirreadall(fd, &buf); quotefmtinstall(); for(i = 0; i < nd; i++) printenv(buf[i].name, buf[i].length); } From russcox@gmail.com Wed May 12 07:32:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 04:12:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 283f355c_a37f_11d8_923e_00304828b574_4166; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B29344251 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2808308e_a37f_11d8_93ef_00304828b574_4163; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9E1B47580F9; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E27758105 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22ba9f86_a37f_11d8_92f6_00304828b574_4103; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D503446C0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:06:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60faf56c_a37e_11d8_810c_00304828b574_30010; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:07:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47AD719FD9 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:06:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE65A19EE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29796-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 29C8B19ECF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x17so5143cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.64 with SMTP id u64mr27153cwc; Tue, 11 May 2004 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 15:06:21 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Printenv(1) In-Reply-To: <5af454af871f92500ab67496a2152d52@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <5af454af871f92500ab67496a2152d52@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu It'd be even better if it printed the ( and ) so that the output was valid rc syntax. From rog@vitanuova.com Wed May 12 07:32:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 04:12:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28a91a26_a37f_11d8_8328_00304828b574_4173; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31E6C3442C0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 286d08a6_a37f_11d8_9b7b_00304828b574_4169; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8800B7580FB; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AFA758112 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2511541e_a37f_11d8_9326_00304828b574_4144; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:12:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539833442C0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:10:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dde238d8_a37e_11d8_8d9d_00304828b574_1896; Wed, 12 May 2004 04:10:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4ECFC19F4E for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:10:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A99819ED9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27207-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B846F19ECF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a67f17cdf69b4a75e59ac4de51f03b@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Printenv(1) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 20:16:15 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > It'd be even better if it printed the ( and ) > so that the output was valid rc syntax. no sooner said than done! #include #include void printenv(char *name, int len) { int r, f, z; char *ans, *t, *ep, *p; char *ename; ename = smprint("#e/%s", name); f = open(ename, OREAD); if(f < 0) return; ans = malloc(len+1); if(ans){ r = read(f, ans, len); print("%q=(", name); if(r >= 0){ ep = ans + r; t = ans; z = 0; for(p = ans; p < ep; p++){ if(*p == '\0'){ print("%q ", t); t = p+1; z = 1; } } if(z == 0){ *p = '\0'; print("%q", ans); } print(")\n"); } } close(f); free(ans); } void main(int, char **) { int fd, i; long nd; Dir *buf; fd = open("#e", OREAD); nd = dirreadall(fd, &buf); quotefmtinstall(); for(i = 0; i < nd; i++) printenv(buf[i].name, buf[i].length); } From geoff@collyer.net Wed May 12 21:22:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 11:10:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 927dfbd0_a3b9_11d8_8ace_00304828b574_10222; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F61344AB5 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92358c4c_a3b9_11d8_937a_00304828b574_10219; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5567D7580F9; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BBCE7580FA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91f4317a_a3b9_11d8_9fbe_00304828b574_10216; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E1C344AB5 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 914279ee_a3b9_11d8_943e_00304828b574_10210; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:10:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5AEA1A028 for ; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:10:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C0A819C37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21117-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [198.144.194.254]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6705219C16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5deeedb107acc2cb94830a0fba0bd383@collyer.net> From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:10:08 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ssl drawterm 9p1 for mac os x X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I compiled Andrey's drawterm-with-ssl sources on OS X 10.3.3 and he has put the result up at http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/. I may take a stab at compiling it on windows if Claudia's laptop has all the necessary machinery to compile C. From lyndon@orthanc.ca Wed May 12 21:22:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 14:00:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 455be7a0_a3d1_11d8_8198_00304828b574_32075; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165E0345434 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 452517b6_a3d1_11d8_8a90_00304828b574_32072; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F357A7580FA; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC537580F9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44eb9ed2_a3d1_11d8_9614_00304828b574_32069; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5462345434 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44362b88_a3d1_11d8_81c2_00304828b574_32065; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:00:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E605819ED6 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 01:00:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19B0319D2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08615-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2AE1519CF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 00:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (d198-166-226-25.abhsia.telus.net [198.166.226.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4C4xir2051358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 11 May 2004 22:59:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:59:44 -0600 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ssl drawterm 9p1 for mac os x Message-ID: <2147483647.1084316384@[192.168.1.32]> In-Reply-To: <5deeedb107acc2cb94830a0fba0bd383@collyer.net> References: <5deeedb107acc2cb94830a0fba0bd383@collyer.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu --On 2004-5-11 7:10 PM -0700 Geoff Collyer wrote: > I compiled Andrey's drawterm-with-ssl sources on OS X 10.3.3 > and he has put the result up at > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/. Great news! And it leads me to ask if anyone is running a P9 machine that they would be willing to give me access to via drawterm. Since I moved onto the boat I've had to ditch all my gear except for the iBook. I have a mile long TODO list for P9's IMAP stuff, but I'm quite a way away from having the gear onboard to set up P9 again (space issues on the boat as opposed to lack of hardware). If anyone would be willing to help out, please contact me offline. Thanks. --lyndon From lucio@proxima.alt.za Wed May 12 21:22:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 14:19:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f550c6f6_a3d3_11d8_961d_00304828b574_15412; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E5934584B for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f51ff65c_a3d3_11d8_99b2_00304828b574_15409; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 13C4B7580F9; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE017580FA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4cc9e9e_a3d3_11d8_950e_00304828b574_15406; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEBB34584B for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3f54232_a3d3_11d8_9224_00304828b574_15397; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:19:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFDE619F38 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 01:19:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF25E19B3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 01:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12568-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 01:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E384019B0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 01:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4C5J104022609 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 07:19:03 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <902349ae4ddc7daa47c9e32ca7cc1478@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Printenv(1) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:18:58 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > It'd be even better if it printed the ( and ) > so that the output was valid rc syntax. Hey, wait a minute! I was looking for a POSIX operation! I was assuming that Plan 9 did not need such a thing, otherwise Bell Labs would have provided one. Really, now! ++L From matt@juice.thebigchoice.com Wed May 12 21:22:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 18:43:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dcb0e282_a3f8_11d8_82cc_00304828b574_23825; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C64345A11 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc7f420e_a3f8_11d8_9fda_00304828b574_23822; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 43D3F7580FA; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC5F7580F9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc3f4d5c_a3f8_11d8_9150_00304828b574_23818; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03186345A11 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id db8a438a_a3f8_11d8_959b_00304828b574_23810; Wed, 12 May 2004 18:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4028D19F37 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 05:43:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32EC319BF0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 05:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22668-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 05:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc1-nott2-3-0-cust18.nott.cable.ntl.com [80.4.204.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BD8219B7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 05:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2843a61eb55071bab3048ae4d74be171@juice.thebigchoice.com> X-TAG: matty Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:45:56 +0100 From: matt@juice.thebigchoice.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9 trivia quiz X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu He played the bald zombie in "Plan9 from Outer Space" as well as a string of other B-Movie roles. He once wresteled under the name of "The Super Swedish Angel". It's the anniversary of his death today. Name that guy ! m From salomo3@cooper.edu Wed May 12 21:22:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 19:23:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 665f4adc_a3fe_11d8_9e4a_00304828b574_28258; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC31E344C5F for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6627b022_a3fe_11d8_87c1_00304828b574_28255; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B5EC17580FA; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1957580F9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65ea4a34_a3fe_11d8_9065_00304828b574_28252; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718A2344C5F for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 653588e2_a3fe_11d8_8ab8_00304828b574_28249; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:23:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EC8519D58 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:23:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8910B19C14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17550-02-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF15819C09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 2EA263938; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BF133937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from interjection.ee.cooper.edu ([199.98.20.224]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish with HTTP; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3923.199.98.20.224.1084356597.squirrel@wish> In-Reply-To: <2843a61eb55071bab3048ae4d74be171@juice.thebigchoice.com> References: <2843a61eb55071bab3048ae4d74be171@juice.thebigchoice.com> Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 06:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 trivia quiz From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable matt@juice.thebigchoice.com said: > He played the bald zombie in "Plan9 from Outer Space" as well as a stri= ng > of other B-Movie roles. He once wresteled under the name of "The Super > Swedish Angel". It's the anniversary of his death today. Name that guy= ! > > m http://www.bmonster.com/cult37.html http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426363/ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426363/bio --Joel (who was up too much of last night studying for a circuits final and doesn't have the time to look up B-movies B-) ) From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Wed May 12 21:22:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 19:32:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a048c362_a3ff_11d8_9f61_00304828b574_3404; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:32:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C4E3446BD for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:32:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f6b9276_a3ff_11d8_8347_00304828b574_3309; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:32:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D0827580FD; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:32:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E09167580FB for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:32:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f20f61c_a3ff_11d8_9977_00304828b574_3304; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:32:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D852344C89 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:31:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89023f76_a3ff_11d8_93cf_00304828b574_2512; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:31:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1605119D2B for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:31:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1320919B25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19676-02-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (mail2.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2D91719AC8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 06:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 12 May 2004 11:31:11 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4CAVWEr012096 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:31:33 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:31:10 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 trivia quiz In-Reply-To: <3923.199.98.20.224.1084356597.squirrel@wish> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu You never stop learning with plan9, and you never stop (slowly) getting the jokes. Now I know who the default account in the 2nd edition (tor) was :-) -Steve From matthias@mteege.de Thu May 13 09:51:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 22:25:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dde63eda_a417_11d8_9da8_00304828b574_25095; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9557344D62 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ddb44452_a417_11d8_9fe9_00304828b574_25092; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id ABEF77580FA; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617F87580F9 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd7347cc_a417_11d8_821a_00304828b574_25089; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6881A344D62 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dcbe310c_a417_11d8_8d9d_00304828b574_25086; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:25:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E3BC19D25 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 403C219CE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08176-01-95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (one.mteege.de [81.2.131.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BC1E19CDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 62547 invoked by uid 66); 12 May 2004 13:25:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 22482 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2004 13:22:20 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 12 May 2004 13:22:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 84460 invoked from network); 12 May 2004 13:22:19 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 12 May 2004 13:22:19 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:22:04 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu as you know trying to use sam for editing. ;-) I have another problem with a regexp. I comment out some text with s:(.|\n)*:/*\n&\n*/: This works but now I try to delete all comments. First I try to select the region with /\/\*[^\/]*. But the regexp stops at the first '\n'. Why? How do I get the whole region? Matthias From rog@vitanuova.com Thu May 13 09:51:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 12 22:54:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dede459a_a41b_11d8_83ad_00304828b574_16582; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:54:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2F03442CD for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:54:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de52998c_a41b_11d8_9c82_00304828b574_16570; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:54:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B21E6758102; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:54:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 108B47580FC for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:54:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd42b446_a41b_11d8_883f_00304828b574_16549; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:54:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0CD34454C for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:52:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c9af1fc_a41b_11d8_8805_00304828b574_13732; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE69D19DD3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:52:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 704E119B3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11402-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2851419B3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 09:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f7681f231c72358687d477638a8c6b1@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:57:47 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why? How do I get the whole region? nothing matches a newline except a newline itself. so instead of: \/\*[^\/]* i think you might want: \/\*([^\/]|\n)* (BTW, it is possible to write a regexp to properly match C-style comments, but it's quite involved. minimal matching would make it quite easy, but i guess there are good reasons not to implement it) From wwword@earthlink.net Thu May 13 09:51:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 01:16:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aac40ef2_a42f_11d8_9813_00304828b574_11224; Thu, 13 May 2004 01:16:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA40345BBB for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 01:16:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa763e52_a42f_11d8_9e71_00304828b574_11187; Thu, 13 May 2004 01:16:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9F4A97580FA; 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Wed, 12 May 2004 10:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.69 with SMTP id u69mr48294cwc; Wed, 12 May 2004 10:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 13:15:48 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 trivia quiz In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Harder trivia: Yes, but why did we need a new default account for 3e? Russ From russcox@gmail.com Thu May 13 09:51:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 02:20:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba6d8050_a438_11d8_88d8_00304828b574_3801; Thu, 13 May 2004 02:20:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBCB345C32 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 02:20:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba3c6cfe_a438_11d8_94f2_00304828b574_3798; Thu, 13 May 2004 02:20:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8DB847580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 02:20:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DA37580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 02:20:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9f99ed8_a438_11d8_9ef1_00304828b574_3795; 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/**/ From boyd@insultant.net Thu May 13 09:51:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 03:32:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b47647ae_a442_11d8_8555_00304828b574_1722; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A283F344DAB for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b4448fe8_a442_11d8_8245_00304828b574_1719; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8640C7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6BB7580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b4055bc0_a442_11d8_977e_00304828b574_1716; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41766344DAB for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b34dae76_a442_11d8_97b9_00304828b574_1713; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:32:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA09519EAD for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:32:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56F8619CD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24129-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC44519B9C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.122.3]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B1C61675A3; Wed, 12 May 2004 20:31:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <027f01c4384e$f518bc20$037a7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:28:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > But the regexp stops at the first '\n'. > > Why? How do I get the whole region? usually this means that you need to explicitly stick a \n into the char class or () expression. using 's' is a bad idea. 'x' is much more powerful and more appropriate but takes a bit of a quantum leap to get to grips with it. did some linux driver hacking with sam this afternoon. that kernel is awful, but i think i have tamed it. sam, on the other hand, is a charm. From rog@vitanuova.com Thu May 13 09:51:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 03:36:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3efd6c36_a443_11d8_8109_00304828b574_4968; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FA8344DB2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ecc757c_a443_11d8_9c01_00304828b574_4965; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EC00B7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48C77580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e8e3294_a443_11d8_8dd1_00304828b574_4962; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A973C344DB2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3dd6fae8_a443_11d8_831b_00304828b574_4921; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:36:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3F8719E63 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:36:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85CE619D15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24129-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40CEA19D12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6d6732213b98dcbf0bf7b23f5a237649@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:42:00 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ,x;/\*([^*]|\*[^/]|\n)*\*/;d ,x;/\*([^*]|\*[^/]|\*?\n)*\*/;d does marginally better. BTW what is it with those: elogapply: can't happen 49 49 25 messages anyway? From rog@vitanuova.com Thu May 13 09:51:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 03:41:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee97e2e8_a443_11d8_96b8_00304828b574_8537; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01AF344DD1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee60cb6e_a443_11d8_9cf1_00304828b574_8507; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 891CD7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409B97580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee253428_a443_11d8_8326_00304828b574_8497; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A34344DD1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed6c142a_a443_11d8_968f_00304828b574_8399; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:41:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D4BF19E62 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:41:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4489619D58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24129-01-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F28EC19D48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7d7d42a6315451d0e1757aa4c3a0fdfb@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 19:46:53 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <027f01c4384e$f518bc20$037a7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > using 's' is a bad idea. 'x' is much more powerful and more appropriate but > takes a bit of a quantum leap to get to grips with it. 'x' is not always sufficient. 's' is sometimes necessary. From schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu Thu May 13 09:51:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 03:46:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab3ba236_a444_11d8_9649_00304828b574_12600; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9903456ED for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab0a6a9a_a444_11d8_9a12_00304828b574_12597; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0E21B7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB29A7580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aacb8500_a444_11d8_97a3_00304828b574_12594; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE49C3456ED for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa134af8_a444_11d8_9819_00304828b574_12591; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:46:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98D3F19F0B for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:46:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FAF419E16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24608-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C069319DF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1309 invoked by uid 991); 12 May 2004 18:46:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20040512184604.1308.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Date: 12 May 2004 14:46:04 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough In-reply-to: <6d6732213b98dcbf0bf7b23f5a237649@vitanuova.com> References: <6d6732213b98dcbf0bf7b23f5a237649@vitanuova.com> Comments: In-reply-to rog@vitanuova.com message dated "Wed, 12 May 2004 19:42:00 +0100." Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:46:04 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu | BTW what is it with those: | elogapply: can't happen 49 49 25 | messages anyway? There are some scary comments in acme/elog.c that explain it. From russcox@gmail.com Thu May 13 09:51:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 03:53:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae6ccdc6_a445_11d8_9781_00304828b574_19047; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B6B345708 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae37f862_a445_11d8_9dde_00304828b574_19044; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D41847580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D007580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id adf00dea_a445_11d8_8564_00304828b574_19041; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B62345708 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ad38ecdc_a445_11d8_8152_00304828b574_19038; Thu, 13 May 2004 03:53:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A008F19ED8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:53:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38BE019E2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24608-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7A5F819E24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so13983cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.69 with SMTP id u69mr50276cwc; Wed, 12 May 2004 11:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:53:16 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough In-Reply-To: <6d6732213b98dcbf0bf7b23f5a237649@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6d6732213b98dcbf0bf7b23f5a237649@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > messages anyway? they can't happen. something is wrong. but i haven't tracked down what. russ From rog@vitanuova.com Thu May 13 09:51:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 04:15:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bec30c5a_a448_11d8_9ae9_00304828b574_4526; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BAD345D34 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be906d68_a448_11d8_83c4_00304828b574_4523; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CD9C67580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841F97580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be5686ca_a448_11d8_9109_00304828b574_4520; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CDEC345D34 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bda1bf6a_a448_11d8_995f_00304828b574_4517; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:15:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2C2B19EBF for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 15:15:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAC6119D17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 15:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13901-02-88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 15:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F23419C13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 15:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] regexp not greedy enough Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 20:21:16 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <20040512184604.1308.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > There are some scary comments in /sys/src/cmd/acme/elog.c that explain it. they don't seem to explain why we get these messages now when we didn't before feb 2003. but... a little searching back through the dump (oh for a faster worm!) shows that the only reason that the messages are printed now (and weren't before) is that the check was not made before, not that the problem wasn't happening. so i guess the needling is worth it. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu May 13 09:51:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 05:58:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21745166_a457_11d8_8559_00304828b574_32323; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:58:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687A034448F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:58:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 213dea9a_a457_11d8_835d_00304828b574_32319; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:58:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B9F4F758106; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:58:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F73758101 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:58:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f277e92_a457_11d8_98c2_00304828b574_32279; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:58:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CC23447A6 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:52:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b8db7ae_a456_11d8_84df_00304828b574_25758; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:52:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7544C19ECF for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 16:52:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CF1719BDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 16:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01810-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 16:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0AC419BCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 16:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 14:32:28 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fsys main in default installs X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Plan 9 fossil installs from a CD end up with a fossil configuration that does not open 'main'. This causes scripts like /dist/replica/network and pretty much every fossil-related hint from the wiki to fail. Is there a reason why we can't include 'fsys main' in the default fossil configuration on the Plan 9 cd? andrey From russcox@gmail.com Thu May 13 09:51:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 06:04:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id feffe388_a457_11d8_8cd6_00304828b574_6992; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:04:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165923448F8 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:04:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fec54c5a_a457_11d8_86e9_00304828b574_6987; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:04:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3918775810B; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:04:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701D275810F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:04:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f86edef2_a457_11d8_9f74_00304828b574_6895; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:04:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E7B34432D for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:01:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 96495644_a457_11d8_9686_00304828b574_3551; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:01:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CFE019F09 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF46019BDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01810-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1D1D219BCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so22059cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.51 with SMTP id u51mr52826cwc; Wed, 12 May 2004 14:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 17:01:25 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fsys main in default installs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a reason why we can't include 'fsys main' in the default > fossil configuration on the Plan 9 cd? Why not just put fsys main into the commands that need it? I'd rather tell people about fsys main than have them get confused when all of a sudden they end up on fsys other and can't figure out what's going on. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu May 13 09:51:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 06:32:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e259c484_a45b_11d8_86e1_00304828b574_28981; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D1F344E57 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e228c19a_a45b_11d8_84f5_00304828b574_28978; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E96B07580FB; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A365C7580FA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1ea7cdc_a45b_11d8_8ea7_00304828b574_28975; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A945D344E57 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e134b88e_a45b_11d8_9a2a_00304828b574_28969; Thu, 13 May 2004 06:32:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE34B19F46 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:32:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7007B19E50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05521-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9341019E4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 17:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <076cd87d139587fbd4d4a8215efc6a6c@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fsys main in default installs Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 15:07:27 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why not just put fsys main into the commands that need it? > I'd rather tell people about fsys main than have them get > confused when all of a sudden they end up on fsys other > and can't figure out what's going on. the one place where it's needed the most is /dist/replica/network, especially for those who just downloaded the distribution... i'll change the Wiki as best as i can. perhaps a note in the man page about the significance of main and other may be a good idea too. andrey From geoff@collyer.net Thu May 13 09:51:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 08:32:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aecf3642_a46c_11d8_8f87_00304828b574_5271; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:32:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C70F3444A0 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:32:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae9711e0_a46c_11d8_8304_00304828b574_5266; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:32:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 50FC57580F9; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:32:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE2C7580FD for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:32:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac11e328_a46c_11d8_99f9_00304828b574_5227; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:32:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AA2344FB1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:19:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2fb6e06_a46a_11d8_9550_00304828b574_23767; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:19:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C87819F70 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 007BD19B52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18507-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [198.144.194.254]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EAA519AC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 19:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:19:36 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ssl drawterm 9p1 for windows X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Skip sent me his source, from Richard Miller, compiled on Windows and I sent it to Andrey, who put it on his web page. So, again, see http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/. Skip's source differs from Andrey's only very slightly (71 lines of diff -r output). 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Putting these lines back, sam.ps was successfully printed in duplexed manner. % lp -ddocpd sam.ps /sys/lib/lp/devices: docpd printer-room docp docp - post+600dpi+nohead+duplex generic lpdspool lpd - - FIFO -- From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 11:36:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 48bcd372_a486_11d8_8948_00304828b574_7858; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A26344AD5 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 485dcb70_a486_11d8_8648_00304828b574_7821; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1BAA67580F9; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E3C7580FB for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47c26b62_a486_11d8_9639_00304828b574_7781; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FC1344ACB for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46ac6c8c_a486_11d8_8899_00304828b574_7668; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF23F19F47 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:36:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAD4619F3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05137-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25B2B19C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <92aca6e700054996032dea898ab4386c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:36:46 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ulitmdnmynviqmbkspcxteyniz" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ulitmdnmynviqmbkspcxteyniz Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok! Now, I started to use Compact Flash as our Auth server's kfs, which means standalone AUTH server. We have diskless two CPU servers and a fileserver in our network. Let's see what will happen... The /sys/log directory of the Auth server was imported from that of a CPU server. This mail is sent from the new system. Kenji --upas-ulitmdnmynviqmbkspcxteyniz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.103.2]) by diabase; Mon May 10 14:32:13 JST 2004 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3p2+/3.7W-04040813) with ESMTP id OAA05961 for ; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 06D4E19E57; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09B3119CA9; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:25:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server, from userid 60001) id 29D9C19D23; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49FA619BB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 May 2004 01:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto In-Reply-To: <6dd2cce273e137d07cc23205e5abc6b1@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:25:34 +0900 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on psuvax1.cse.psu.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: > Keep in mind the limited write cycle life, though. 300,000 cycles per logical sector seems to be long enough for Auth server, I don't mean CPU server. Kenji --upas-ulitmdnmynviqmbkspcxteyniz-- From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 11:42:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2da47684_a487_11d8_9416_00304828b574_13108; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B738E344AF5 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d72c92c_a487_11d8_8143_00304828b574_13105; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9A0697580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521AD7580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d338ff0_a487_11d8_91b1_00304828b574_13102; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD31344AF5 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2c7fe1b2_a487_11d8_99e1_00304828b574_13099; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8968319FBA for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B5E319C26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06175-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2737219C0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:43:22 +0900 In-Reply-To: <92aca6e700054996032dea898ab4386c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Ok! Now, I started to use Compact Flash as our Auth server's > kfs, which means standalone AUTH server. The machine is floppy- disk-less Celeron 366MHz Mitsubishi Aprocot CX-200 (very old machine!) with 160MB SDRAM. This machine has LAN card on its board (i82557). The Compact Flash is Toshiba THNCF256MMA (256MB), and an IDE interface card of "IR-ICF01S". This machine does only /bin/service.auth. Kenji From boyd@insultant.net Thu May 13 22:30:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 11:47:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d111d6a4_a487_11d8_9777_00304828b574_16651; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B8734512B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0d8cf94_a487_11d8_989c_00304828b574_16614; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BEE087580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED347580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0952bcc_a487_11d8_9e10_00304828b574_16604; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6245034512B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfd380da_a487_11d8_8c30_00304828b574_16494; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:47:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8493319FB0 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:46:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B6E019CAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06175-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FC6019C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.122.3]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2227037945 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:46:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <043c01c43893$f8ca6c20$037a7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <92aca6e700054996032dea898ab4386c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 04:42:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu from a reliable source, i heard that flash mem cards are good good for 1M write ops. choose your use of this thing carefully. iirc kfs 'syncs' dirty blocks every 15 secs. 300K or 1M are not large numbers. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 11:49:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32036a18_a488_11d8_84d6_00304828b574_18682; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB4E345135 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 31d1c10c_a488_11d8_874f_00304828b574_18679; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6F7A87580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C547580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 318f8422_a488_11d8_9c88_00304828b574_18676; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F956345136 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 30dd699a_a488_11d8_8895_00304828b574_18667; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:49:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EA6019F6F for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:49:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 250F319CD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06175-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E50BC19CAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:50:41 +0900 In-Reply-To: <043c01c43893$f8ca6c20$037a7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > choose your use of this thing carefully. iirc kfs 'syncs' dirty blocks > every 15 secs. All the 'dirty' blocks of this AUTH server should be in /sys/log, I guess. Please let me know if I'm wrong. Kenji From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 11:58:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b3dce68_a489_11d8_80e8_00304828b574_25734; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3599F345157 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b0807e2_a489_11d8_8a70_00304828b574_25728; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1AC937580FB; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27257580FA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ac77506_a489_11d8_985e_00304828b574_25693; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0498345157 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5a0c69f0_a489_11d8_9874_00304828b574_25622; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D22F719F44 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:58:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A14919E09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10242-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 15D7019D5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27180 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 02:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 May 2004 02:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 May 2004 02:57:43 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i4D2vhF367562; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:57:43 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <2a2f13faee87856b7686b122a9cb1830@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:57:37 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu May 13 11:49:50 JST 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > All the 'dirty' blocks of this AUTH server should be in /sys/log, I guess. Everytime /bin/service.auth/tcp567 is started, the last access time is updated. Then there are other binaris to be executed on AS and so on... Correct me if I'm wrong, too. -- From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 12:19:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ec4ee7a_a48c_11d8_94ea_00304828b574_11445; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B8B73451B1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e649f20_a48c_11d8_8685_00304828b574_11442; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5C84F7580F9; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116CC7580FA for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e22454e_a48c_11d8_90d3_00304828b574_11439; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1988C3451B2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d6d92f2_a48c_11d8_9d44_00304828b574_11353; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54B9619F76 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:19:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2DBD19F1B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10242-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C076519EF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26000d2af4984df4a0611e0ada036d26@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:20:04 +0900 In-Reply-To: <2a2f13faee87856b7686b122a9cb1830@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Everytime /bin/service.auth/tcp567 is started, > the last access time is updated. Then there are > other binaris to be executed on AS and so on... Then, this AUTH server may die within several to ten's of several days. Let's see it... Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 12:21:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d294bec_a48c_11d8_8965_00304828b574_13024; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FC034436F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9cf8dcfa_a48c_11d8_8817_00304828b574_13021; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 345A67580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8777580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9cb77a44_a48c_11d8_9439_00304828b574_13018; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CC234436F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c03d228_a48c_11d8_82d7_00304828b574_13015; Thu, 13 May 2004 12:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E0B219F70 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:21:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33BFF19EF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10242-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AF8319EE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 23:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35a57011ea1aec2feb4b32d8a078b4b2@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:22:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: <26000d2af4984df4a0611e0ada036d26@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Then, this AUTH server may die within several to ten's > of several days. Let's see it... Shuld be multiplied 100. =E2=98=BA Kenji From rm@hamnavoe.com Thu May 13 22:30:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 17:19:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ad61d6a_a4b6_11d8_8c9e_00304828b574_22680; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A81234549D for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a878ba0_a4b6_11d8_8b45_00304828b574_22677; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3A0C7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A667580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a485d72_a4b6_11d8_8a44_00304828b574_22674; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A35EB34549D for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3994f6d8_a4b6_11d8_9283_00304828b574_22671; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:19:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E18F19F40 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:19:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 343D619E0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29948-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 576E219E0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5061a8376a19eedb43283f53c0b2b46a@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Richard Miller Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:18:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2a2f13faee87856b7686b122a9cb1830@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Many (most?) flash devices do "wear-levelling": blocks which are being frequently rewritten will be periodically remapped by the firmware or driver so that erase activity is spread evenly across all blocks. So it is the average number of writes per block which determines the device life expectancy, not the peak number. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu May 13 22:30:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 17:35:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7ae98e62_a4b8_11d8_9914_00304828b574_4305; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B104C345813 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7ab788b8_a4b8_11d8_8ab3_00304828b574_4302; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 92DDB7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474C27580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a756258_a4b8_11d8_89f0_00304828b574_4299; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A01345813 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79ba531e_a4b8_11d8_938c_00304828b574_4295; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:35:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63D8119F4D for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:35:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9D6919E4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03267-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74FD119E01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i4D8Yq04001347 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:34:55 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <76e1d6d1a71d44117e7ba9d7d56cfad3@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:34:47 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <5061a8376a19eedb43283f53c0b2b46a@hamnavoe.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Many (most?) flash devices do "wear-levelling": blocks which are being > frequently rewritten will be periodically remapped by the firmware or > driver so that erase activity is spread evenly across all blocks. So > it is the average number of writes per block which determines the > device life expectancy, not the peak number. Well, now that's clever. Of course, it is obvious, too. But can one rely on this? Is there some way of detecting when things start going wrong? What would the symptoms be? ++L From rm@hamnavoe.com Thu May 13 22:30:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 17:52:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dff40f88_a4ba_11d8_985c_00304828b574_18243; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8D0345866 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dfc26dde_a4ba_11d8_80b9_00304828b574_18240; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1B9D97580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975067580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df63beba_a4ba_11d8_9913_00304828b574_18237; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2716345866 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id deb14a8c_a4ba_11d8_8e51_00304828b574_18234; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:52:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80B9F19EC7 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:52:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B56719D63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07324-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C60E19BBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 04:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5a24ad50918c3542abc5a91b897850f5@hamnavoe.com> To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Richard Miller Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:52:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <76e1d6d1a71d44117e7ba9d7d56cfad3@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> Many (most?) flash devices do "wear-levelling"... > But can one > rely on this? The documentation for the device ought to say something about it. > ... Is there some way of detecting when things start going > wrong? What would the symptoms be? My understanding is that failure is progressive: as a flash block "wears out', write / erase operations take longer and longer to complete, until eventually they take forever. -- Richard From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu May 13 22:30:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 18:18:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8770d7de_a4be_11d8_99ae_00304828b574_12488; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:18:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6441834461A for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:18:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 870eed6c_a4be_11d8_8781_00304828b574_12482; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:18:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 380FB758106; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:18:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66381758109 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit see the `atime' console command in kfscmd(8). you could add it as an option to kfs itself. if you aren't terribly worried about logging everything, you could run aux/listen with -q to reduce logging chatter. --upas-dehcgckeuetlzxocrgunjtzoiy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu May 13 03:59:00 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65F9A19F73 for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A14919E09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10242-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 15D7019D5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27180 invoked from network); 13 May 2004 02:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 13 May 2004 02:57:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 May 2004 02:57:43 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i4D2vhF367562; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:57:43 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <2a2f13faee87856b7686b122a9cb1830@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:57:37 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu On Thu May 13 11:49:50 JST 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > All the 'dirty' blocks of this AUTH server should be in /sys/log, I guess. Everytime /bin/service.auth/tcp567 is started, the last access time is updated. Then there are other binaris to be executed on AS and so on... Correct me if I'm wrong, too. -- --upas-dehcgckeuetlzxocrgunjtzoiy-- From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 18:21:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e4546ede_a4be_11d8_8b66_00304828b574_15383; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6C5344625 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e4231ffa_a4be_11d8_9e35_00304828b574_15380; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6D98B7580FB; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256357580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3e34588_a4be_11d8_9ccd_00304828b574_15377; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C871344625 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e32e1d84_a4be_11d8_9a1f_00304828b574_15364; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DC5019F8F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:21:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82C0A19C21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07324-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A5C919B2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5228b4a359e0f40ab7ff7f7d3c99f2fd@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:22:10 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu By the way, how many people are using this iTuner ITX box for Plan 9, and what is the longest life time of its CF filesystem? I'm very bothered with noisy sound of Pen4 terminals. Fans, fans, fans... Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu May 13 22:30:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 18:21:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc801d8c_a4be_11d8_86ed_00304828b574_15432; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AE3344625 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc4a4248_a4be_11d8_835d_00304828b574_15429; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0252E7580FB; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7967580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc0e7e34_a4be_11d8_9602_00304828b574_15426; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CC6344625 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb5a6b38_a4be_11d8_82bd_00304828b574_15423; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:21:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E448419F48 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:21:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E19D19CDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07324-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76B2619B2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 05:21:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:22:56 +0900 In-Reply-To: <282140ae884356780124074171e0d880@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > see the `atime' console command in kfscmd(8). you could add it as an option to > kfs itself. done, today. Kenji From dvd@davidashen.net Thu May 13 22:30:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 21:46:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92558cd6_a4db_11d8_98d9_00304828b574_2107; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDD63459C8 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 921f977a_a4db_11d8_8898_00304828b574_2101; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 46DC17580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20447580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91e43338_a4db_11d8_85fa_00304828b574_2098; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081A83459C8 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 913122a2_a4db_11d8_9f8e_00304828b574_2095; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:46:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 55A9C19FCF for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FBDF19F7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22193-01-85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD56619E8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4DCioFw058915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:44:54 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:45:54 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <282140ae884356780124074171e0d880@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > see the `atime' console command in kfscmd(8). you could add it as an option to > kfs itself. the only problem is that I could not install kfs on a compactflash -- it is terribly slow. Fossil has been fine. From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri May 14 09:48:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 22:57:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86d5f760_a4e5_11d8_97f4_00304828b574_1381; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C053345A35 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 869edc12_a4e5_11d8_946f_00304828b574_1378; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EB73E7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CC97580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 866337de_a4e5_11d8_85a1_00304828b574_1374; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78B2345A35 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 85ae0152_a4e5_11d8_9dca_00304828b574_1371; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35ED419FC4 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27C9819E8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23615-01-86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F54319E7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 09:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DDvOik012763 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:57:24 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DDvOQ8014148 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:57:24 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DDvOwO020131 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:57:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:57:23 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox In-Reply-To: <5228b4a359e0f40ab7ff7f7d3c99f2fd@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 13 May 2004, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > By the way, how many people are using this iTuner ITX > box for Plan 9, and what is the longest life time of its > CF filesystem? I am using the m100,which is the itx box I think you mean. I have from time to time had a stack of these things in my office, with a T21 auth/fs/terminal front end. They boot quite fast with either linuxbios or pxeboot. The only issue is they're slow for computing. The celeron-based 9grid nodes at bell labs, same clock rate (533 mhz), are about 4x faster for compute. ron From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri May 14 09:48:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 23:08:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 108b4e3c_a4e7_11d8_8e5e_00304828b574_10941; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:08:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57906345A59 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:08:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 10321790_a4e7_11d8_9903_00304828b574_10938; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:08:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3EA3A7580FA; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:08:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FC97580F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:08:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0fc11a90_a4e7_11d8_8dc2_00304828b574_10935; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 10:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:11:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qgyivflylkvqjgaqkbiyjvsbzv" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qgyivflylkvqjgaqkbiyjvsbzv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have used kfs happily on a compact flash (some time ago admittedly), and i couldn't work out why i fared better. --upas-qgyivflylkvqjgaqkbiyjvsbzv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu May 13 13:47:27 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DD0A19FE3 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FBDF19F7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22193-01-85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD56619E8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4DCioFw058915 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 17:44:54 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:45:54 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <282140ae884356780124074171e0d880@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > see the `atime' console command in kfscmd(8). you could add it as an option to > kfs itself. the only problem is that I could not install kfs on a compactflash -- it is terribly slow. Fossil has been fine. --upas-qgyivflylkvqjgaqkbiyjvsbzv-- From dvd@davidashen.net Fri May 14 09:48:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 23:24:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3272a980_a4e9_11d8_8a1f_00304828b574_25344; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04E134454C for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 31d46db0_a4e9_11d8_983b_00304828b574_25240; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EC7EE758101; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266E4758103 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2fac435a_a4e9_11d8_9d7e_00304828b574_25095; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E9C34473B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:20:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e5cc6a4_a4e8_11d8_9b28_00304828b574_20551; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:20:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67DDE1A016 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:19:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 225B619F19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02080-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64DAE19F9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4DEI7Fw059405 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:18:07 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: <3bbf5f5085c5b529f90850833a4371a5@davidashen.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:19:11 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i have used kfs happily on a compact flash (some time ago admittedly), > and i couldn't work out why i fared better. I used cf->Ide adapter from the ituner store. It was a recent plan9 cd image; the installer was copying files to the CF at about 64Kb/s. The CF is Toshiba MMA 512Mb. With fossil, it has been much faster. David From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri May 14 09:48:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu May 13 23:32:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5793bc26_a4ea_11d8_8b2d_00304828b574_2001; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:32:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9313446F9 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:32:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 573f9e8e_a4ea_11d8_8d64_00304828b574_1997; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:32:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E19EC7580FD; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:32:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF4C758103 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:32:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54c83f4e_a4ea_11d8_9732_00304828b574_1967; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:32:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169FA34473B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 491c31e2_a4e9_11d8_8f24_00304828b574_25816; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F4231A018 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:24:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16C3119FBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29474-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4EA0319FB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 10:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DEOHik028377 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 08:24:17 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DDqLp9012680; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:52:22 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DDqLwO019907; Thu, 13 May 2004 07:52:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 07:52:21 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <76e1d6d1a71d44117e7ba9d7d56cfad3@proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 13 May 2004 lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > Well, now that's clever. Of course, it is obvious, too. But can one > rely on this? Is there some way of detecting when things start going > wrong? What would the symptoms be? you'll know. You'll get data corruption as writes fail to occur. ron From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri May 14 09:48:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 02:19:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9d407e4_a501_11d8_8c9c_00304828b574_18887; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:19:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8320E344210 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:19:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9a13486_a501_11d8_8d1d_00304828b574_18880; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:19:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A2AD47580FC; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:19:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C785C758105 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:19:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b80235f8_a501_11d8_8f21_00304828b574_18856; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:19:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B8E34481C for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:12:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b04bce9c_a500_11d8_8fd3_00304828b574_10796; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:12:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C99E1A009 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:12:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8EED19FD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16026-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3B3B199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f146d318977fd8d26be259f374aef78@terzarima.net> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:12:41 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <3bbf5f5085c5b529f90850833a4371a5@davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>With fossil, it has been much faster. i would expect fossil to be faster; i was just surprised that kfs was unusably slow. kfs does write all metadata through to disk when running as a localfs (that can be switched off in the code), although it does buffer data writes. fossil doesn't, as you observed much earlier. clearly that makes an enormous difference on CF (now at least). it could be too that i wasn't expecting much speed from it at the time i did it. 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X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Richard Miller said: > Many (most?) flash devices do "wear-levelling": blocks which are being > frequently rewritten will be periodically remapped by the firmware or > driver so that erase activity is spread evenly across all blocks. So > it is the average number of writes per block which determines the > device life expectancy, not the peak number. > Reading some linux docs (jffs,jffs2,yaffs), it seems the load leveling is a function of the file system/driver, not firmware. --Joel From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 03:47:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0775baf4_a50e_11d8_8800_00304828b574_30171; Fri, 14 May 2004 03:47:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4034344788 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 03:47:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07422c70_a50e_11d8_89de_00304828b574_30168; Fri, 14 May 2004 03:47:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 99CBB7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 03:47:47 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509BB7580F9 for ; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 14:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C126E19FAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 14:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8502F37B7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 20:47:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <012c01c4391a$3e312e80$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <2a2f13faee87856b7686b122a9cb1830@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp><5061a8376a19eedb43283f53c0b2b46a@hamnavoe.com> <4496.199.98.16.94.1084469738.squirrel@wish> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:43:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Reading some linux docs (jffs,jffs2,yaffs), it seems the load leveling is > a function of the file system/driver, not firmware. that would make more sense. adding more h/w to avoid flakey h/w just doesn't make sense. and, as ron said, you'll know when the media flakes -- reads that fail or return trash and writes that fail. i have noticed that memory stick acccesses are not exactly quick. so much to read, so little time. i see my USB flash ram says: data retention: > 10 years reads: 1Mb/s writes: 750Kb/s just a bit slower than a MASSBUS disk. nice to be able to carry the whole dist on my 256Mb version (they go up to 2Gb), which has been 'round the world once :) From nigel@9fs.org Fri May 14 09:48:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 20:02:46 +0100 From: "Nigel Roles" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <4496.199.98.16.94.1084469738.squirrel@wish> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Reading some linux docs (jffs,jffs2,yaffs), it seems the load > leveling is a function of the file system/driver, not firmware. > > This depends entirely on the technology involved. There are intelligent flash systems (CF, SD, MM) which emulate disk drives (e.g. CF can be connected directly to an IDE controller); these do the wear levelling themselves. Then there are the unintelligent technologies (NOR flash, NAND flash, SmartMedia, SSFD) which don't. Of course, the intelligent ones are built out of the unintelligent ones with a controller in the way. There are really only two kinds of flash; NOR and NAND. The latter does it on 2 transistors per cell; the former 4. The latter is faster to program and erase, but loses storage faster with age. SmartMedia/SSFD is just a fancy name and packaging for NAND flash. So, jffs/jffs2/yaffs are designed to work direct onto NOR/NAND flash, hence they have wear-levelling. It is particularly important to do this for NAND flash for a variety of reasons I shan't bore with. Nigel From matt@proweb.co.uk Fri May 14 09:48:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 04:10:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44a8b036_a511_11d8_865e_00304828b574_16319; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:10:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9E7345B44 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:10:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4475fd3a_a511_11d8_93c9_00304828b574_16316; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:10:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BEBA17580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:10:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7442B7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:10:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44341ab4_a511_11d8_8339_00304828b574_16313; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 15:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shelly ([80.4.204.18]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20040513191049.OAYW13569.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@shelly> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 20:10:49 +0100 From: "matt" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] ssl drawterm 9p1 for windows Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:10:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've compiled the drawterm on sources with the free windows compiler but the arrow key /pg up/down handling was wrong. hence me not posting it before http://www.proweb.co.uk/~matt/plan9/drawterm.exe From matt@proweb.co.uk Fri May 14 09:48:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 20:10:51 +0100 From: "matt" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] checking mail Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <12853.67.34.73.245.1084412353.squirrel@fl2600.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >When checking mail by right clicking on the face I get ' !message >dissappeard ' twice can someone point me in the right direction as to why >I may be getting this? I get this frequently but I'm 99% certain that it is when mail has been added/removed from upas/fs using outside tools anyrhine and I were looking into it but didn't come up with any firm conclusions I just kill faces and start it again, a pain but a cure. m From matt@juice.thebigchoice.com Fri May 14 09:48:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 04:12:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7fdb3a84_a511_11d8_97be_00304828b574_17806; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:12:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3618A345B4D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:12:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7fa81352_a511_11d8_9035_00304828b574_17803; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:12:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E7C177580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:12:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ACD7580F9 for ; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc1-nott2-3-0-cust18.nott.cable.ntl.com [80.4.204.18]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 409BD19D0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <73e8d09ca092c378a43552246a23b707@juice.thebigchoice.com> X-TAG: matty Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:14:53 +0100 From: matt@juice.thebigchoice.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <012c01c4391a$3e312e80$127e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu from what I have read the silicon marks the cells as bad and skips them such that the overall capacity is reduced as the cells wear out From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 21:22:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <016a01c4391f$14dd66c0$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:18:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > So, jffs/jffs2/yaffs are designed to work direct onto > NOR/NAND flash, hence they have wear-levelling. i think this is a complete waste of time. it adds complexity and the YAFS [Yet Another File System] syndrome. such things should just appear as raw disks and you stick whatever f/s you like on 'em. if you want to wear-level it stick a user mode wear-leveller on top of it. isn't that what plan 9 does really well? From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 04:40:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ee3f236_a515_11d8_8a11_00304828b574_8631; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:40:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDADD345BBD for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:40:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5eb1e4c6_a515_11d8_914d_00304828b574_8628; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:40:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C08357580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:40:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BEB7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:40:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e722408_a515_11d8_8194_00304828b574_8625; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 15:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:39:57 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] updates X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i've pushed out a bunch of updates to sources that had been sitting around for a while. it's possible i missed some dependancies so mail 9trouble if you find anything amiss. thanks to brucee for the vlong optimised 8c. --jim From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 13 May 2004 13:51:15 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DJpEp9010466 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:51:14 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4DJpEwO006919 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:51:14 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:51:13 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <4496.199.98.16.94.1084469738.squirrel@wish> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 13 May 2004, Joel Salomon wrote: > Reading some linux docs (jffs,jffs2,yaffs), it seems the load leveling is > a function of the file system/driver, not firmware. M-systems used to advertise that they did load leveling in their parts (I think ...) ron From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 04:54:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 568bd2c8_a517_11d8_94a2_00304828b574_20527; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:54:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D1834419D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:54:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5603dd46_a517_11d8_94d7_00304828b574_20520; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:54:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F3B7D758101; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:54:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BD37580FC for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:54:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 550d1bf0_a517_11d8_8ac6_00304828b574_20510; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:54:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE0034419D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:52:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 018cc46c_a517_11d8_85c7_00304828b574_17611; Fri, 14 May 2004 04:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 043841A02A for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:52:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 540591A01B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19525-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 802921A011 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6765c44618dae2df9f6cbf49db67fc89@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:27:03 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] brucee's 8c on sources? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu today's pull brought brucee's vlonged 8c from sources. does that mean it's deemed stable enough for general use? is anyone running a fossil compiled with it? given the speed improvements fossil exhibits when compiled with the new 8c i'd very much like to recompile my kernels with it :). andrey From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 05:07:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 386e4846_a519_11d8_9bda_00304828b574_2832; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C98034422B for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 383396e2_a519_11d8_8fb4_00304828b574_2825; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 001B2758105; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA5C7580FE for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32358fca_a519_11d8_9ac7_00304828b574_2736; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28653448AD for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:00:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 377f034a_a518_11d8_8a31_00304828b574_27172; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:00:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BB6619FEB for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:00:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB55219E78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19525-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BB3619E67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:00:25 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] brucee's 8c on sources? In-Reply-To: <6765c44618dae2df9f6cbf49db67fc89@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu it has been beat on and refined over the past month. i recompiled, installed and rebooted everything here over a week ago. On Thu May 13 15:52:05 EDT 2004, mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca wrote: > today's pull brought brucee's vlonged 8c from sources. does that mean > it's deemed stable enough for general use? is anyone running a fossil > compiled with it? > > given the speed improvements fossil exhibits when compiled with the > new 8c i'd very much like to recompile my kernels with it :). > > andrey From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 05:08:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e6d4aee_a519_11d8_96cb_00304828b574_3277; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E855344304 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e026148_a519_11d8_8058_00304828b574_3227; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9D34E75810E; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:08:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A924758107 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3945422e_a519_11d8_9780_00304828b574_2840; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:07:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F2A3448BC for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:06:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 157a9650_a519_11d8_89c9_00304828b574_1710; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:06:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DECAB1A022 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:06:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B4AA19E8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19525-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8BC119E78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DB5067347 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:06:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01b701c43925$49f1e7e0$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] brucee's 8c on sources? Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:02:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu brucee doan mess about. From russcox@gmail.com Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 05:13:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd026f8e_a519_11d8_94d0_00304828b574_7759; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE6E344901 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fcd08a00_a519_11d8_96b3_00304828b574_7756; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0A1F57580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE67A7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc941660_a519_11d8_8e81_00304828b574_7753; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E56344901 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbdff50e_a519_11d8_9d59_00304828b574_7750; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:13:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A82E19FE2 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:13:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC88D19FDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16820-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1143119FBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so20790cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.69 with SMTP id u69mr74520cwc; Thu, 13 May 2004 13:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:13:01 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] brucee's 8c on sources? In-Reply-To: <6765c44618dae2df9f6cbf49db67fc89@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6765c44618dae2df9f6cbf49db67fc89@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > given the speed improvements fossil exhibits when compiled with the > new 8c i'd very much like to recompile my kernels with it :). Really? How much improved? What's improved? Latency? It surprises me that 64-bit computation was a bottleneck, even in fossil. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 05:21:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25736076_a51b_11d8_89c2_00304828b574_13996; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B08934493D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 253ecc08_a51b_11d8_9da2_00304828b574_13993; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6809D7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207BE7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 250624d4_a51b_11d8_9176_00304828b574_13990; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2946A34493D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24523a32_a51b_11d8_88eb_00304828b574_13987; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:21:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 030C51A041 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:21:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A72DE19FAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16820-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE78C19F19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b262cbfea01f1a39ebe98a8a672a464@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] updates Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:58:09 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i've pushed out a bunch of updates to sources that had > been sitting around for a while. it's possible i missed > some dependancies so mail 9trouble if you find anything > amiss. thanks to brucee for the vlong optimised 8c. > > --jim shoot, i sent my message just before this one arrived... thanks for the updates! as for the new 8c -- i'm already oozing with saliva: with the old compiler "cd /sys/src && mk all" gives: Thu May 13 13:30:26 MDT 2004 Thu May 13 13:37:29 MDT 2004 then i did a mk install, recompiled the kernel with the newly compiled fossil and rebooted. "cd /sys/src && mk all" now gives: Thu May 13 13:47:19 MDT 2004 Thu May 13 13:52:14 MDT 2004 both compiles completed successfuly about the setup: fossil has a cache of 10000 blocks, machine is a single cpu 2.6Ghz Pentium IV, 512MB ram and two IDE disks behind a devfs mirror. andrey From salomo3@cooper.edu Fri May 14 09:48:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 05:39:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ab30c68_a51d_11d8_88c7_00304828b574_28387; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363A2344DF0 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a8097a6_a51d_11d8_8e2e_00304828b574_28384; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 172B97580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09A67580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a3e72fe_a51d_11d8_9545_00304828b574_28381; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BD4344DF0 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 998826c0_a51d_11d8_9090_00304828b574_28378; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:39:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 007661A01E for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:39:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D83119FE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29872-02-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAB0D19FBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id B0E49393C; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 068E83938 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bumblebeeman.cooper.edu ([199.98.16.94]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish with HTTP; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4768.199.98.16.94.1084479946.squirrel@wish> In-Reply-To: <016a01c4391f$14dd66c0$127e7d50@SOMA> References: <016a01c4391f$14dd66c0$127e7d50@SOMA> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable boyd, rounin said: >> So, jffs/jffs2/yaffs are designed to work direct onto >> NOR/NAND flash, hence they have wear-levelling. > > i think this is a complete waste of time. it adds complexity > and the YAFS [Yet Another File System] syndrome. > > such things should just appear as raw disks and you > stick whatever f/s you like on 'em. > > if you want to wear-level it stick a user mode wear-leveller on top of = it. > isn't that what plan 9 does really well? > How would one go about adding a "user mode wear-leveller" atop kfs, for example? general outline is okay. --Joel From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 05:51:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4fabb434_a51f_11d8_90d9_00304828b574_6345; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533C1345BF6 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f79a700_a51f_11d8_9cbe_00304828b574_6342; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 357CB7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B947580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f3ab28e_a51f_11d8_8682_00304828b574_6339; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF2D345BF6 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e7eda5a_a51f_11d8_9484_00304828b574_6336; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11BCA1A02E for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:51:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3547619FEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20708-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F06819995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C09267352 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01f301c4392b$837bc480$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <016a01c4391f$14dd66c0$127e7d50@SOMA> <4768.199.98.16.94.1084479946.squirrel@wish> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:47:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > How would one go about adding a "user mode wear-leveller" atop kfs, for > example? general outline is okay. kfs was a hack to get it onto the x86. said hack has proven to be very stable, unlike fossil. even the worm ran a f/s kernel that had nothing to do with plan 9, except it talked 9p and could return Erob. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 07:18:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b81ff86_a52b_11d8_9eae_00304828b574_16911; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF943457A7 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b4a1c10_a52b_11d8_8ee1_00304828b574_16873; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D0DE27580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFE47580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b0698fa_a52b_11d8_8a80_00304828b574_16867; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D78C3457A7 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a4b7ea8_a52b_11d8_8e82_00304828b574_16656; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:18:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CF931A04B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:18:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54A2519E62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27500-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EBC019DEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:18:57 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4768.199.98.16.94.1084479946.squirrel@wish> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>How would one go about adding a "user mode wear-leveller" atop kfs, for >>example? general outline is okay. i'm not sure it is. it needs to take account of physical not logical location, because it's the wear on the physical location that matters, and perhaps the topology-- for instance, depending on the flash and algorithm it might be necessary to move the same block content from one physical block to another without changing the logical address--or on some flash move every block within a flash segment at least once every 10,000 writes-- and if `such things should just appear as raw disks' the physical location won't be visible to the higher level file system without an interface peculiar to flash. that's why the usual approach to providing a `raw disk' on top of flash sits below the file system, not above it. it's still not as efficient as a storage system designed for flash. From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 07:35:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5722cac_a52d_11d8_9176_00304828b574_30584; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1556345C51 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d535212c_a52d_11d8_9929_00304828b574_30578; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8E30E7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B347580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4fbd3a4_a52d_11d8_8ef7_00304828b574_30575; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E63A345C51 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d447cdfa_a52d_11d8_88b0_00304828b574_30572; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4590A1A023 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3F2619E71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28839-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 112A219E19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B92F37C6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 00:35:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <024f01c43939$ffb35b40$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 00:31:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > it's still not as efficient as a storage system designed for flash. tin gods. i'd like it to be fast, but i'd go for reliability first. obviously, you choose your storage media based on its properties and what your use of it will be. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 07:41:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id afeb73a2_a52e_11d8_8918_00304828b574_4187; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:41:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F7F34425D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:41:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aee71b00_a52e_11d8_920f_00304828b574_4177; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:41:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 879B97580FC; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:41:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23077580FB for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:41:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae5da320_a52e_11d8_9bf8_00304828b574_4172; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:41:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91DC34425D for ; 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boundary="upas-udkrghoggcrphgeikumqrppday" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-udkrghoggcrphgeikumqrppday Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit by efficient, i meant not wearing it out too fast, not speed. the reliability of flash can depend critically on the update strategy and tactics. --upas-udkrghoggcrphgeikumqrppday Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu May 13 23:36:17 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D908619FF1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A3F2619E71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28839-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 112A219E19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B92F37C6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 00:35:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <024f01c43939$ffb35b40$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 00:31:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > it's still not as efficient as a storage system designed for flash. tin gods. i'd like it to be fast, but i'd go for reliability first. obviously, you choose your storage media based on its properties and what your use of it will be. --upas-udkrghoggcrphgeikumqrppday-- From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>M-systems used to advertise that they did load leveling in their parts (I >>think ...) yes, and CF cards do something similar. even so, one also needs to take account of `wear reducing', and that can require knowledge of topology and application, and control of strategy, all of which are conveniently located in a file server that knows about the peculiar properties of the medium. even the design of the storage structure for a file system can depend on the flash characteristics. From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 07:52:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46208f14_a530_11d8_9896_00304828b574_16503; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:52:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28C9344241 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45e7fb72_a530_11d8_96be_00304828b574_16497; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EEE97758109; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:52:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BE17580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:52:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4400e544_a530_11d8_9bf6_00304828b574_16476; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFB083449C8 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:45:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b6c04d6_a52f_11d8_9408_00304828b574_8654; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:45:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAC731A017 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79BAC19CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01206-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E18AF199BF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AC4FB378E1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 00:45:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <026a01c4393b$7a9f2400$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <193d8b1644e5d39728406a05b54bc41f@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 00:41:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > by efficient, i meant not wearing it out too fast, not speed right, but it still smacks of shitty h/w. heavy as it was, the RM03 was a decent piece of media [80Mb]. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 07:56:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8dbeaa8_a530_11d8_9d83_00304828b574_19822; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF1C344464 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b87c33ce_a530_11d8_9ce9_00304828b574_19803; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CD2AB7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E097580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b80c1e9a_a530_11d8_8c6a_00304828b574_19751; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD37344464 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7051a7e_a530_11d8_91b4_00304828b574_19642; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:56:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D95771A00B for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:56:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6118A19E62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01206-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A72FB19D21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:56:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <026a01c4393b$7a9f2400$127e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-tdmapokvbrwklvogrtxghchrrf" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tdmapokvbrwklvogrtxghchrrf Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit not necessarily shitty h/w: it depends whether its properties suit your app. (even with discs you could end up with an RL02, which had no idea where its head was.) if you want to rewrite blocks indefinitely, don't use WORM or FLASH. WORMS are good for archival storage but you can't write even twice to a WORM block. in fact, that's a reasonably good analogy: because worms are `different' somewhat different strategies are used by a file system to allocate blocks for instance. (eg, the `next' pointer in the current super block might point to an allocated but blank one, and so on.) it's certainly true that people often assume they can exchange magnetic devices and flash in a casual way. is 100,000 a big number? it might be. is 1,000,000 a big number? it might not be. i carry a USB flash device to hold information that's updated at most twice a day. even 10,000 is a big number then. --upas-tdmapokvbrwklvogrtxghchrrf Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu May 13 23:46:47 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 678D719FF1 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:46:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79BAC19CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 18:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01206-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 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X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Charles Forsyth said: >>>How would one go about adding a "user mode wear-leveller" atop kfs, fo= r >>>example? general outline is okay. > > i'm not sure it is. it needs to take account of physical not logical > location, because it's the wear on the physical location that matters, > and perhaps the topology-- > that's why the usual approach to providing a `raw disk' on top of flash > sits below the file system, not above it. it's still not as efficient = as > a storage system > designed for flash. > got it - i understood > if you want to wear-level it stick a user mode wear-leveller on top of = it. > isn't that what plan 9 does really well? to mean a wear leveler on top of the file system & was at loss to see how that might be done (probably because it can't) Then what would the leveler look like, boyd? I'm guessing some file whose offsets point to different parts of the flash, depending on use, which can't easily be done under anything but p9. is that it? --Joel From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 08:05:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0df4ad6c_a532_11d8_98e2_00304828b574_27121; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79626344E1E for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0dbe0a64_a532_11d8_8a22_00304828b574_27118; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 67AC57580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3577580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d85041c_a532_11d8_9068_00304828b574_27115; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D21344E1E for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ccfa8a6_a532_11d8_8787_00304828b574_27112; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F9CF1A038 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:05:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CE1519B6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01206-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 916D219A08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FB3837ABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 01:05:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <028a01c4393e$3a91b640$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:01:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > (even with discs you could end up with an RL02, which had no idea where its head was.) nasty thing the RL02. had some on an 11/23 once which i hacked 2BSD (?) 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From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 08:39:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1ade576_a536_11d8_9b3a_00304828b574_22539; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6465344E80 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d17aeb8a_a536_11d8_8de8_00304828b574_22536; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B722E7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF8A7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1386b20_a536_11d8_8725_00304828b574_22530; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74646344E7D for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d08446cc_a536_11d8_8f18_00304828b574_22527; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:39:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41D351A060 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:39:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF2EB19DD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08387-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38AA819B0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F2C6837A53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 01:39:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <02ae01c43942$fb80bf00$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <4768.199.98.16.94.1084479946.squirrel@wish> <1467.199.98.16.94.1084488679.squirrel@wish> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:35:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Then what would the leveler look like, boyd? I'm guessing some file whose > offsets point to different parts of the flash, depending on use, which > can't easily be done under anything but p9. is that it? it's late etc, but fossil it an example of an interface between 9p and something [venti] that only knows about blobs. it depends on the media, but it should look like a raw disk. if you want to tweak its lifetime or performance then you have a meta-data chunk [partition] to explain its layout -- whatever. a user mode f/s can do what it likes, but the underlying media should look like a raw disk. all this is well understood. even the MD is a f/s. From russcox@gmail.com Fri May 14 09:48:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 08:55:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc3f27bc_a538_11d8_8de1_00304828b574_5689; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:55:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C17344E9C for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d58b945c_a538_11d8_9123_00304828b574_4501; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 63907758101; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090437580FD for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d48dde02_a538_11d8_89f6_00304828b574_4407; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:54:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68316344E9C for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95c72a3a_a537_11d8_8929_00304828b574_27524; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68F231A04C for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:45:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37D5E1A00C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08387-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6DEAC19DD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 19:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so21886cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.1 with SMTP id u1mr77487cwc; Thu, 13 May 2004 16:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 19:44:57 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <01f301c4392b$837bc480$127e7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <016a01c4391f$14dd66c0$127e7d50@SOMA> <4768.199.98.16.94.1084479946.squirrel@wish> <01f301c4392b$837bc480$127e7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > How would one go about adding a "user mode wear-leveller" atop kfs, for > > example? general outline is okay. > > kfs was a hack to get it onto the x86. said hack has proven > to be very stable, unlike fossil. even the worm ran a f/s kernel > that had nothing to do with plan 9, except it talked 9p and > could return Erob. mark? mark v. shaney? is that you? 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mark v. shaney? is that you? yeah, it is. my idea. brucee's & rob's implementation using don mitchell's code. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_V_Shaney From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 09:48:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 09:28:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a2224412_a53d_11d8_85a0_00304828b574_3625; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918F6344F00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1f0c2de_a53d_11d8_984a_00304828b574_3622; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6DB667580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9887580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1a79e1a_a53d_11d8_9d5c_00304828b574_3619; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28151344F00 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a0f563f8_a53d_11d8_840f_00304828b574_3616; Fri, 14 May 2004 09:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58D771A02F for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 20:28:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9185A19CFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 20:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08587-01-66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 20:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03CAE19BEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 20:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C352237B37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <02d601c43949$cab2ae40$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <016a01c4391f$14dd66c0$127e7d50@SOMA><4768.199.98.16.94.1084479946.squirrel@wish><01f301c4392b$837bc480$127e7d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 02:24:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > mark? mark v. shaney? is that you? brahma% pwd /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/fs brahma% grep -i 'rob made' */*.[ch] port/data.c: [0x70] "rob made me do it", From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri May 14 10:52:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 10:02:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68da0bf4_a542_11d8_908d_00304828b574_31328; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E835C344F7F for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68a4a77a_a542_11d8_8f44_00304828b574_31325; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D53107580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCD87580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 686add06_a542_11d8_9900_00304828b574_31322; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950A0344F7F for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67b72806_a542_11d8_9dd1_00304828b574_31319; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:02:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 466BC1A03E for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:02:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BC7A19D4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12811-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1270319B78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <399701de46c1549a561ad1d764126792@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:03:38 +0900 In-Reply-To: <3bbf5f5085c5b529f90850833a4371a5@davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > With fossil, it has been much faster. Why I didn't employ fossil this time, because I needed fully robust file system for this AUTH server. I needed this standalone AUTH server, because I don't want to depend its function to any one of file servers themselves. I'm going to live with double file server, Ken's and Fossil +Venti soon, where we have to keep all our system non-stop. So the robust and standalone AUTH server was necessary. For the speed of kfs on CF, I agree with thatit's terriblly slow to write to kfs on CF, which made me much surprise. I had to play with web browser wen I was installing things to that CF kfs. However, we need mainly just reading from this CF kfs for AUTH server, then, speed issue is not serious to me. Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri May 14 10:52:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 10:04:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e3b97d6_a542_11d8_85f9_00304828b574_462; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 748BA344F88 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e013f82_a542_11d8_9399_00304828b574_458; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 62F747580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FB77580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9dc44014_a542_11d8_9a58_00304828b574_452; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AD6344F88 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d0dc0a0_a542_11d8_8201_00304828b574_446; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:04:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46EC61A028 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:04:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2325819FE3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13343-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3656B19EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <767b8114e08d55ebe674420ea83b0c90@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ituner minibox Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:05:11 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The only issue is they're slow for computing. The celeron-based 9grid > nodes at bell labs, same clock rate (533 mhz), are about 4x faster for > compute. Thanks ron. so we have to live with loud noise of Pen4 for a while....sad enough. Kenji From brucee@chunder.com Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 11:55:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d3e10a8_a552_11d8_953a_00304828b574_7079; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E121C344A10 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d0d7560_a552_11d8_8fb9_00304828b574_7076; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C87547580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC0F7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ccfe5a6_a552_11d8_9e64_00304828b574_7073; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8947F344A10 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2c1d13ea_a552_11d8_99c4_00304828b574_7069; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:55:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3363D1A0C0 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCC9619A14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22861-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D256A19A02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 22:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 650 invoked by uid 89); 14 May 2004 02:37:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 14 May 2004 02:37:06 -0000 Message-ID: <40A435AA.3030908@chunder.com> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:57:46 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] brucee's 8c on sources? References: <6765c44618dae2df9f6cbf49db67fc89@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu see http://www.chunder.com/plan9/ for some details. basically any expression that involves vlongs, when compiled using the default library vlong stuff, does it's fair share of moving data on and off the stack and calling generic functions. a complex vlong expr can produce pages of code. the new 8c generates native instructions and uses registers for most ops. another good speedup is a simple vlong assignment, which used to be MOVL; CLD; REP; MOVSL; and is now MOVL; MOVL - the former suffers from many cycles of setup. it is probably worth extending this to copies of larger structures but the tradeoff depends on the flavour of x86. why fossil? well it is very vlongy. brucee Russ Cox wrote: >>given the speed improvements fossil exhibits when compiled with the >>new 8c i'd very much like to recompile my kernels with it :). > > Really? How much improved? What's improved? Latency? > It surprises me that 64-bit computation was a bottleneck, > even in fossil. From dvd@davidashen.net Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 12:13:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2747094_a554_11d8_9868_00304828b574_22046; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0D43450D4 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b23e5e14_a554_11d8_9e75_00304828b574_22043; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3F1E17580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9D197580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b1feef0e_a554_11d8_916a_00304828b574_22040; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27713450D4 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b14afbb6_a554_11d8_9240_00304828b574_22036; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:13:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E6D91A024 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:13:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41D7919DEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21097-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C143E19DB2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4E3C2Fw064363 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:12:02 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:13:10 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <399701de46c1549a561ad1d764126792@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> With fossil, it has been much faster. > > Why I didn't employ fossil this time, because I needed fully robust file > system for this AUTH server. I needed this standalone AUTH server, I don't fully understand the concern. Right now, mini-box with CF and fossil (without venti) on it is my only Plan 9 machine, standalone cpu+file server+auth. What's wrong with fossil for that? David From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 12:24:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f7d7882_a556_11d8_9c30_00304828b574_31443; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A583D3450E5 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f4c9852_a556_11d8_9514_00304828b574_31440; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8B0357580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418117580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f0dfd22_a556_11d8_8200_00304828b574_31437; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A04F3450E5 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e59e21a_a556_11d8_8798_00304828b574_31434; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6730C1A018 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:24:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFEA519F61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23242-01-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C116019F4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3da71b1c3631431f81d31e9eab88b528@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:24:45 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I don't fully understand the concern. Right now, mini-box with CF and fossil > (without venti) on it is my only Plan 9 machine, standalone cpu+file server+auth. > What's wrong with fossil for that? Because none sayes about unstability of Ken's fs or kfs, but some do for fossil things. Of course some of them should be from wrong usage of it. However, I can't have confidnce that it's stable enough for our site. I'm using fossil+venti+cpu+auth server at home fully safely. However, its system is not loaded so high where only one user of myself all the time, and which is also said many times here. Kenji From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 12:30:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 089d2a86_a557_11d8_88d6_00304828b574_3662; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D10345116 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 086c08de_a557_11d8_81ac_00304828b574_3659; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C92827580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD367580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0829b416_a557_11d8_86fa_00304828b574_3656; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85BBD345116 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0775472e_a557_11d8_882f_00304828b574_3653; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:30:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B59671A038 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:30:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A09F719C3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23242-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4CFE19BC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4E3Tqik013296 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:29:52 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4E3Tp31031715 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:29:52 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4E3TpwO026887 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 21:29:51 -0600 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:29:51 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <026a01c4393b$7a9f2400$127e7d50@SOMA> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 14 May 2004, boyd, rounin wrote: > right, but it still smacks of shitty h/w. the wearing out thing is really weird. My (4 year old) reading about flash led me to believe the process was close to electrochemical and the cells gradually wear out with repeated transitions. So it's great for ROM, ok for PROM (how we use it here), lousy for normal disk usage. ron From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 12:33:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7dcaa2e8_a557_11d8_8f3f_00304828b574_6195; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1B134511A for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d93e7da_a557_11d8_9ae2_00304828b574_6192; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 52FC47580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071F57580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d4b55b0_a557_11d8_9092_00304828b574_6189; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101E434511A for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c9762a8_a557_11d8_998b_00304828b574_6186; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:33:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40B0A19F64 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:33:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4186B19C59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23242-01-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A94E619B7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78F75672D2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:33:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <039d01c43963$c25655c0$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 05:30:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > So it's great for ROM, ok for PROM (how we use it here), lousy for normal > disk usage. i'm with you, captain. 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Just restarted rio with riostart and all is fine. but now mail is checked via acme instead of it's own term window. I actually don't mind it. :-) From forsyth@vitanuova.com Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 14:34:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50db03a2_a568_11d8_9cf8_00304828b574_18261; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:34:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA38934415B for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:34:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4fa632f4_a568_11d8_9167_00304828b574_18128; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:34:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5FDF87580FB; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:34:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CBC7580FA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:34:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f2b8248_a568_11d8_82f9_00304828b574_18090; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:34:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759A9344352 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:25:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2671b30a_a567_11d8_990b_00304828b574_8820; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:25:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CEA21A02E for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 01:25:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A576E19B62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 01:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02437-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 01:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADD6019B30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 01:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8f2a08f3fdef3a1a5ab430265782f80f@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:30:50 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] brucee's 8c on sources? In-Reply-To: <40A435AA.3030908@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>another good speedup is a simple vlong assignment, >>which used to be MOVL; CLD; REP; MOVSL; and is now another example is conversion between 32-bit and 64-bit values. loading vlong as long from memory as in g((ulong)x); /* x vlong */ should just be loading the correct half of the vlong, shouldn't it, but it was MOVL x+-8(SP),CX MOVL CX,(SP) MOVL x+-4(SP),CX MOVL CX,4(SP) CALL ,_v2ul+0(SB) MOVL AX,.safe+-16(SP) MOVL .safe+-16(SP),AX MOVL AX,(SP) CALL ,g+0(SB) and now is MOVL x+-8(SP),AX MOVL AX,(SP) CALL ,g+0(SB) ie, it does the obvious thing the original scheme was easy to implement and was adequate when there were few 64-bit values in sight, but once offsets were vlong everywhere, and Qid.path was vlong, they began to spread fairly widely through the code. From cej@gli.cas.cz Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 15:03:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c1f25da_a56c_11d8_9a2b_00304828b574_11260; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282E3345201 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7bed005a_a56c_11d8_9c0a_00304828b574_11256; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 00B377580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4887580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7ba6e7f0_a56c_11d8_8033_00304828b574_11253; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF87345201 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7aeecb48_a56c_11d8_974f_00304828b574_11250; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:03:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB2E81A058 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:03:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8501319F81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06619-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B19C319F61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:03:34 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:03:31 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: text search in PDF? Thread-Index: AcQ5eS50NLeZ2mi3RUWtnJstugHtGg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] text search in PDF? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, folks! Can I look for a string while browsing a PS/PDF (in page). If not, would = it be difficult to implement? No one else misses this feature? Thanks, regards, Peter. Peter A. Cejchan Lab of Paleobiology and Paleoecology Institute of Geology Academy of Sciences Rozvojova 135 16502 Prague, Czechia http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va obsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.682 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 444 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 11. 5. 2004 =20 From cej@gli.cas.cz Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 15:05:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba752ff0_a56c_11d8_98ab_00304828b574_12850; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B872C345208 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba444f7a_a56c_11d8_9c8c_00304828b574_12847; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9B5DD7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D4B7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba0418ec_a56c_11d8_8999_00304828b574_12844; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F6D345208 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b94bfa78_a56c_11d8_978c_00304828b574_12841; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:05:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8312619FC8 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:05:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEF5B19F81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06711-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33B6019F61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:05:22 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:05:21 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: line # in acme Thread-Index: AcQ5eXBw+Aaial98RVGsv6CiDWSo0g== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] line # in acme X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, is there an easy way to find out on which line the 'dot' is, in acme? Thanks, Peter. Peter A. Cejchan Lab of Paleobiology and Paleoecology Institute of Geology Academy of Sciences Rozvojova 135 16502 Prague, Czechia http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan --- Odchoz=ED zpr=E1va obsahuje viry. Zkontrolov=E1no antivirov=FDm syst=E9mem AVG (http://www.grisoft.cz). Verze: 6.0.682 / Virov=E1 b=E1ze: 444 - datum vyd=E1n=ED: 11. 5. 2004 =20 From robpike@gmail.com Fri May 14 22:45:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 15:16:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b38e40e_a56e_11d8_804d_00304828b574_22096; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C50345220 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b039178_a56e_11d8_92dd_00304828b574_22093; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F02BE7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A55D87580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ac36044_a56e_11d8_910c_00304828b574_22090; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0720345220 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a10da3c_a56e_11d8_9079_00304828b574_22087; Fri, 14 May 2004 15:16:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E199719FBF for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:16:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4C9819C59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08930-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.195]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E83E419C3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 02:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so273425rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.12 with SMTP id p12mr81146cwc; Thu, 13 May 2004 23:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f0490405132316308e83fe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:16:31 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] line # in acme In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu run Edit .= or even Edit = -rob From dvd@davidashen.net Fri May 14 22:45:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 13:59:05 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@adat.davidashen.net) Received: (from dvd@localhost) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id i4E8x4T0066071 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:59:04 +0500 (AMST) From: David Tolpin Message-Id: <200405140859.i4E8x4T0066071@adat.davidashen.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <3da71b1c3631431f81d31e9eab88b528@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:59:04 +0500 (AMST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL99b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Kenji Okamoto: > > I don't fully understand the concern. Right now, mini-box with CF and fossil > > (without venti) on it is my only Plan 9 machine, standalone cpu+file server+auth. > > What's wrong with fossil for that? > > Because none sayes about unstability of Ken's fs or kfs, but some do for > fossil things. Of course some of them should be from wrong usage of it. > However, I can't have confidnce that it's stable enough for our site. I am saying about instability of kfs. I am getting the same bug on several different computers, unless a fix is applied. When kfs is rebooted after power failure, it reports wrenwrite errors in endless loop. The fix is to flush dirty blocks to disk after checking and reparing and before kfs is launched. The fix is simple, but the problem is that I can't understand why it matters. It is a race, if enough debuggin output is added, the bug disappears due to accidental slowdown. Everyone has UPSes these days, so people just don't notice. Not everyone lives in a region when blackouts last for hours occasionally. David From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri May 14 22:45:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 18:16:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f781ade_a587_11d8_939c_00304828b574_19658; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F0B3453CA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f41e3ba_a587_11d8_9948_00304828b574_19655; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 606CD7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181A47580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f07da9e_a587_11d8_9a76_00304828b574_19652; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FB53453CA for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e5499de_a587_11d8_82f7_00304828b574_19649; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:16:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9936919F84 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:16:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F0AD19EE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16541-02-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31F0F19ED8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 05:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:17:16 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200405140859.i4E8x4T0066071@adat.davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Not everyone lives in a region when blackouts last for hours > occasionally. The last time when we experienced blackout without pre-announcement,=20 I don't remember it. Probably it may before 30 years ago. =E2=98=BA Kenji From a@9srv.net Fri May 14 22:45:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 19:00:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 947ac1d6_a58d_11d8_9c58_00304828b574_28286; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68713344620 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94495ec0_a58d_11d8_94fe_00304828b574_28283; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4A7B87580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5D17580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9374d5d8_a58d_11d8_8652_00304828b574_28280; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B29344620 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92c10a26_a58d_11d8_8223_00304828b574_28277; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:00:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3713A19FF7 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:00:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F95519F30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23587-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D76519DCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4938149129d38c1395e16788f3bdfff6@9srv.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 05:56:02 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <01f301c4392b$837bc480$127e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // [kfs] has proven to be very stable, unlike fossil. i've never found kfs to be particularly reliable when compared to other file systems. quite the opposite, actualy. my first hand experience with fossil is more limited (i've not converted my file server from ken's to fossil=20 away), but so far i'm much more pleased with it than kfs. // ...a f/s kernel that had nothing to do with plan 9... my understanding was that it was based on an early fork of the kernel with the user-mode stuff removed. is that incorrect? =E3=82=A2 From a@9srv.net Fri May 14 22:45:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 19:04:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2667b0fe_a58e_11d8_9e71_00304828b574_31494; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:04:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EB741A020 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:04:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 386A719F30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23587-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 876BC19DCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:01:21 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <3da71b1c3631431f81d31e9eab88b528@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // Because none sayes about unstability of Ken's fs or kfs, // but some do for fossil things. based on my own readings here, i think people say plenty of bad things about kfs. we just hear them less because kfs was never billed as something suitable for a file server. it also seems to me that most of the complaints about fossil not all) were early on, and that it's stabalized much since. i wish abbreviating "Ken's FS" didn't yeild "kfs". =E3=82=A2 From a@9srv.net Fri May 14 22:45:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 19:08:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id af87018c_a58e_11d8_8559_00304828b574_2248; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:08:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0978819F1E for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:08:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0F1119D11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25733-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E6E919BCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 06:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <624a5065215f7c22a00a83e7eb3d0a65@9srv.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:05:24 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] text search in PDF? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // Can I look for a string while browsing a PS/PDF some PS/PDF (i've confirmed what i'm about to say in one, but not both, and can't remember which) files include the actual text of their content; others only treat the letters as more graphics. searching for text is possible in the first but not the later (without implementing OCR). i cannot speak to how difficult it would be to implement said search. i, too, miss this feature.=20 =E3=82=A2 From jaffa9982000@yahoo.co.uk Fri May 14 22:45:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 20:45:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 278ad818_a59c_11d8_98f3_00304828b574_21956; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1613B3454D1 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27560cd2_a59c_11d8_988e_00304828b574_21953; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EFE2F7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D0B7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2717483a_a59c_11d8_82ae_00304828b574_21916; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60CD3454D1 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 265d621c_a59c_11d8_8c6c_00304828b574_21845; Fri, 14 May 2004 20:45:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2040A1A026 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:45:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7875B19F58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28827-01-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9D1219F57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 07:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BOb1p-0006IQ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:39:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:38:04 GMT From: Jim Affra Message-ID: <6d16b976.0405140258.31e38ef6@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] New OS X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=20 I am using window98 and someone told me about linix and plan9. I have bee= n=20 certified by MCSA so know quite a lot about OS so it should not be proble= m for=20 me. Which is better: linix or plan9?=20 I did not get early the london conference data but will be learning more about this. Jaim From a@9srv.net Fri May 14 22:45:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 21:18:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc4cfada_a5a0_11d8_8f6a_00304828b574_22917; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:18:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8AF3441AC for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:18:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc1afe18_a5a0_11d8_937e_00304828b574_22913; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:18:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F18E37580FB; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:18:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC807580FD for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:18:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c155ed94_a5a0_11d8_9100_00304828b574_22367; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:18:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF60344177 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a50d944_a59f_11d8_9047_00304828b574_12612; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15DCB1A026 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:09:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B369C19F33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29648-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE72A19DE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <774f1b488189cacea368c7068bea19dc@9srv.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 07:52:51 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS In-Reply-To: <6d16b976.0405140258.31e38ef6@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // I am using window98... oh, boy. // I have been certified by MCSA... ohboy. // ...so know quite a lot about OS... wow. whoa. // Which is better: linix or plan9? both and neither. next question? i'm sorry, i'm not normally one to either pick on stuff like this nor feed the trolls, but the number of faulty assumptions densely packed into this mail is truely impressive. being a certified MCSA doesn't mean you know much about any operating system, even MS ones. knowing much about one OS (especially MS ones) does not translate into knowing much of anything about OSs generally (although it does help to have an example of what your're talking about, true). knowing a lot about operating systems generally does not translate into it being easy to pick up a new OS. and most importantly: there is no "better". if you want web browsers, spreadsheets, mpeg playback, and/or lots of dancing balogna, you almost certainly want linux. if you want a lesson in clean design, a study in software or OS design, a sane environment for systems work, or just a fresh way of doing things (and the afforementioned stuff isn't so important), look to plan9. // I did not get early the london conference data... speaking of, what conference data *is* there, really? beyond the "show up, talk, eat, drink" type schedule posted earlier, do we have anything resembling an agenda or list of topics? =E3=82=A2 From viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk Fri May 14 22:45:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 21:35:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e4af8b0_a5a3_11d8_9076_00304828b574_4263; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B133A344C63 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e149266_a5a3_11d8_8926_00304828b574_4260; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9CDAC7580FC; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FC57580FB for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ddb8142_a5a3_11d8_83d1_00304828b574_4257; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9DD344C63 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d24ec48_a5a3_11d8_8947_00304828b574_4248; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:35:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C13B81A039 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:35:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23F3919EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05027-01-86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.linux.org.uk (parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk [195.92.249.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8759119B0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viro by www.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.33) id 1BObuW-0005Ad-8P for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:35:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:35:32 +0100 From: viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Message-ID: <20040514123532.GJ17014@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> References: <6d16b976.0405140258.31e38ef6@posting.google.com> <774f1b488189cacea368c7068bea19dc@9srv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <774f1b488189cacea368c7068bea19dc@9srv.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:52:51AM -0400, a@9srv.net wrote: > // Which is better: linix or plan9? > > both and neither. next question? And here I thought that "linix" (whatever it is) was the new OS mentioned in the subject... From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 22:45:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 21:52:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a0902520_a5a5_11d8_8aa2_00304828b574_17972; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980C534551B for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a05ed7f4_a5a5_11d8_9f3e_00304828b574_17969; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7A9AC7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329A37580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a01f6f06_a5a5_11d8_90f9_00304828b574_17966; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC6A34551B for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f6c4b2e_a5a5_11d8_8729_00304828b574_17962; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:52:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF23F19FD9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:52:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C838219E64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29642-02-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3427519D93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B9CD3378D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <046701c439b1$c42c78e0$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <624a5065215f7c22a00a83e7eb3d0a65@9srv.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] text search in PDF? Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:48:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > // Can I look for a string while browsing a PS/PDF > > some PS/PDF (i've confirmed what i'm about to say in one, but > not both, and can't remember which) files include the actual > text of their content; iirc it's PS, but it's a nasty problem anyway. From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 14 22:45:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 21:56:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 241c6390_a5a6_11d8_943e_00304828b574_21089; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AA9345533 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23e7c932_a5a6_11d8_83cc_00304828b574_21086; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 349F97580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0317580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23abe7dc_a5a6_11d8_89d7_00304828b574_21083; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F41345533 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22f93358_a5a6_11d8_9b9d_00304828b574_21079; Fri, 14 May 2004 21:56:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23E3019FF2 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:56:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A924B19F30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29642-02-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1A4DA19EC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 08:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.18]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B9C7672F0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:56:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <048a01c439b2$4d97ea60$127e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <774f1b488189cacea368c7068bea19dc@9srv.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:52:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > // I have been certified by MCSA... > > ohboy. i saw some windows job post that stated MCSA holders need not apply ... 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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:04:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> some PS/PDF (i've confirmed what i'm about to say in one, but >> not both, and can't remember which) files include the actual >> text of their content; > iirc it's PS, but it's a nasty problem anyway. it's not strictly PS, though they share the imaging model and "The PDF operators for setting the graphics state and painting graphics objects are similar to the corresponding operators in the PostScript language". Close enough to PS for text searching. The main annoyance is that PDF files usually compress their content after a short bit of PS-like prolog. From dvd@davidashen.net Sat May 15 23:50:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 23:17:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67c026c6_a5b1_11d8_8354_00304828b574_29295; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3950D345565 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6789c8ec_a5b1_11d8_9ddd_00304828b574_29292; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 278DD7580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D310B7580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6751471a_a5b1_11d8_9b65_00304828b574_29289; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC727345565 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 669da0f2_a5b1_11d8_91f5_00304828b574_29285; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:17:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C7311A03F for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:17:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3B6219F36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24950-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CCA519DDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4EEFWFw067821 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:15:32 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:16:34 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <6d16b976.0405140258.31e38ef6@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I am using window98 and someone told me about linix and plan9. I have been > certified by MCSA so know quite a lot about OS so it should not be problem for > me. Which is better: linix or plan9? > > I did not get early the london conference data but will be learning more > about this. Every time this theme comes up on the list, it is so obvious that it is a (not so) clever joke by someone who knows well enough about flamebates occasionally going on here between MS, LT and BL. What is so amusing is the many answers every such joke receives. David From dvd@davidashen.net Sat May 15 23:50:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 14 23:22:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 276d2a5a_a5b2_11d8_92f8_00304828b574_756; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD23C345580 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 273ae1b2_a5b2_11d8_8021_00304828b574_753; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B0E177580FA; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6A37580F9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26fd2afc_a5b2_11d8_853c_00304828b574_750; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C17345580 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 264837be_a5b2_11d8_979f_00304828b574_747; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:22:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9919C19FC6 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A433D19F19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24950-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8F4819F17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 10:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4EEKsFw067840 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:20:54 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] text search in PDF? Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:22:06 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > it's not strictly PS, though they share the imaging model and "The PDF > operators for setting the graphics state and painting graphics > objects are similar to the corresponding operators in the > PostScript language". Close enough to PS for text searching. > The main annoyance is that PDF files usually compress their > content after a short bit of PS-like prolog. Both Postscript and PDF use text strings to represent strings. Rare cases when rasterized images of text pages are wrapped into Postscript or PDF formats are mostly due to a need to somehow publish scanned documents; or due to faulty conversion toolchain. Compression is not a problem. To render a PDF, one has to uncompress its contents anyway. And decompression is trivial. The problem is high quality formatting -- most documents which are kerned are kerned explicitely -- words are broken into parts, and displacements are set for word parts, which makes searching for whole words impossible. 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Fri, 14 May 2004 10:25:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 08:25:10 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What is so amusing is the many answers every such joke receives. way less than the number of rebuttals a 'GNOME Sucks' story gets on slashdot for example. every fan-club is bound to defend its territory. andrey From eric@willow.nutstreet.net Sat May 15 23:50:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 14:26:45 +0000 Received: from cronus.saviso.com ([192.168.0.86] helo=9fs.org) by nietze.cachelogic.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BOde8-0006wZ-Q2 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:26:44 +0000 Message-ID: <40A4D8F9.8090403@9fs.org> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:34:33 +0100 From: Nigel Roles User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu andrey mirtchovski wrote: >>What is so amusing is the many answers every such joke receives. >> >> > >way less than the number of rebuttals a 'GNOME Sucks' story gets on >slashdot for example. > >every fan-club is bound to defend its territory. > >andrey > > > even less is the number of emails saying 'hey that's so obviously a troll you're really dumb to miss it' From bwc@coraid.com Sat May 15 23:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sat, 15 May 2004 00:22:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d0c9aba_a5ba_11d8_9081_00304828b574_22934; Sat, 15 May 2004 00:22:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34FA91A000 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:22:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79BED19B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26020-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edsac.borf.com (unknown [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4CAE519B05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <027513cfba487d632c4e76b32e6b1b2d@borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS From: Brantley Coile Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:15:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <40A4D8F9.8090403@9fs.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I can't imagine anything that would frustrate a troll more than to have his flamebate response be civil, polite, entertaining and informative. Great stuff. Plan 9 could be the glue that brings peace to the computing world. Running drawterm on XP to log into a plan 9 network that has OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris mounted. By the way, is there a 9fs for XP? 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Fri, 14 May 2004 10:47:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:47:52 -0500 From: splite@purdue.edu To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] text search in PDF? Message-ID: <20040514154752.GB16819@sigint.cs.purdue.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Disclaimer: Any similarity to an opinion of Purdue is purely coincidental X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:22:06PM +0500, dvd@davidashen.net wrote: > > The problem is high quality formatting -- most documents which are > kerned are kerned explicitely -- words are broken into parts, and > displacements are set for word parts, which makes searching for whole > words impossible. Funny how things come full-circle. We used to need preview images attached to Encapsulated PostScript files because on-screen rendering was too slow. Now it seems we need "plain-text thumbnails" embedded in PDF files to facilitate searches, braille or spoken output, etc. Maybe PDF already has that capability but nobody uses it. (Almost nobody used the EPSI format either.) From salomo3@cooper.edu Sat May 15 23:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 01:45:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ca8ac20_a5c6_11d8_954f_00304828b574_29621; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8E03447CC for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c6d300a_a5c6_11d8_8e04_00304828b574_29617; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 847F57580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426897580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c339674_a5c6_11d8_9dfe_00304828b574_29612; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278E3447CC for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b7a22e8_a5c6_11d8_8aff_00304828b574_29608; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:45:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65EE01A016 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98AB419FBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28224-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ABC9219FC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id A4E163938; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B52A3937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from conjunction.ee.cooper.edu ([199.98.20.223]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish with HTTP; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2241.199.98.20.223.1084552315.squirrel@wish> In-Reply-To: <200405140859.i4E8x4T0066071@adat.davidashen.net> References: <3da71b1c3631431f81d31e9eab88b528@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> <200405140859.i4E8x4T0066071@adat.davidashen.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Not everyone lives in a region when blackouts last for hours > occasionally. > I'm in new york - blackout lasted nearly a full day, some neighborhoods..= . --Joel From a@9srv.net Sat May 15 23:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 01:52:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27218d7e_a5c7_11d8_94e9_00304828b574_2603; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4D0344A39 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26ef3234_a5c7_11d8_950e_00304828b574_2600; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9EFA37580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 561B47580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26aeb0c4_a5c7_11d8_9d77_00304828b574_2596; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CDC344A39 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25f45e7c_a5c7_11d8_93db_00304828b574_2592; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:52:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B3FD19FE1 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:52:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30DB419F6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00910-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E34C19F69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:45:48 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] text search in PDF? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // Rare cases when rasterized images of text pages are wrapped // into Postscript or PDF formats are mostly due to a need to // somehow publish scanned documents; or due to faulty conversion // toolchain. i can't comment on the causes, although your assesment seems quite reasonable. i can say, however, that when i looked at the issue a year or two (not more) ago, these cases were certainly not rare. my measurements were quite unscientific, but it looked to be about 50% of the documents i examined (mostly pulled indiscriminatly from the web). *=E2=80 =CE=B1 From a@9srv.net Sat May 15 23:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 01:53:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b090ccc_a5c7_11d8_969f_00304828b574_3382; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27AB2344D27 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ad3de58_a5c7_11d8_9a32_00304828b574_3376; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 10D8D7580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C484D7580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a9f1880_a5c7_11d8_9764_00304828b574_3371; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF342344D27 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39ec4278_a5c7_11d8_8a84_00304828b574_3367; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0C5341A016 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 732DD19FA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28224-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C3EF19F6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:53:08 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <2241.199.98.20.223.1084552315.squirrel@wish> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu // I'm in new york - blackout lasted nearly a full day, some neighborhoods... well over, in some. From sape@huygens.org Sat May 15 23:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 02:12:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d74146de_a5c9_11d8_9ca5_00304828b574_18693; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED23344D82 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d70f313a_a5c9_11d8_918b_00304828b574_18683; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1F0987580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB2A7580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6ce9a1c_a5c9_11d8_972e_00304828b574_18653; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56D5344D82 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d61b282e_a5c9_11d8_9da8_00304828b574_18582; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:12:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45F3F19FF9 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:12:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 856E119FBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00981-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B512B19FA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48949d907a41c68435d71c344df65d01@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:11:51 -0400 From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > // I'm in new york - blackout lasted nearly a full day, some neighborhoods... > > well over, in some. Great. The my-blackout's-bigger-than-yours discussion! From lyndon@orthanc.ca Sat May 15 23:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 02:17:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9786313e_a5ca_11d8_8244_00304828b574_22852; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1DE344D94 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9754caa4_a5ca_11d8_8330_00304828b574_22849; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AEBE77580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B6C7580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 971569ae_a5ca_11d8_8dbd_00304828b574_22843; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB80344D97 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 96617d0e_a5ca_11d8_92db_00304828b574_22831; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:17:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D39DA19BD0 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:17:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12F0D19FC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00981-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 005B719BD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.32] (d198-166-226-25.abhsia.telus.net [198.166.226.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4EHH7r2065116 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:17:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:17:07 -0600 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] text search in PDF? Message-ID: <2147483647.1084533427@[192.168.1.32]> In-Reply-To: <046701c439b1$c42c78e0$127e7d50@SOMA> References: <624a5065215f7c22a00a83e7eb3d0a65@9srv.net> <046701c439b1$c42c78e0$127e7d50@SOMA> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu --On 2004-5-14 2:48 PM +0200 "boyd, rounin" wrote: >> // Can I look for a string while browsing a PS/PDF [...] > iirc it's PS, but it's a nasty problem anyway. Maybe take a look at how xpdf supports string searches? --lyndon From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat May 15 23:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 02:22:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41dc5a32_a5cb_11d8_8643_00304828b574_26730; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE4D345591 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41a5655e_a5cb_11d8_9079_00304828b574_26727; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 779CF7580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:22:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305307580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 416b8474_a5cb_11d8_8cc0_00304828b574_26724; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 13:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4ab51f0df5369f1feacb74dbf47d9bc9@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ati video cards Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:00:22 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <40A4E981.7030905@ayan.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu you don't mention which thinkpad you have, so i'll assume your vga is a radeon 7500. philippe anel has drivers for it here: http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html also check the 9fans archives -- there were discussions about modifications to the drivers a few months ago. andrey From dvd@davidashen.net Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 22:20:28 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: <5ba763859dac79a28748ea65cc54a556@davidashen.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:21:42 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > // I'm in new york - blackout lasted nearly a full day, some neighborhoods... > > well over, in some. Then you should have noticed that kfs does not come up nicely after power failure. In Yerevan, where I live, blackouts these days are not due to lack of power production, but to frequent failures of warn out equipment; approximately two powerless half-hours per week and one serious failuer (several hours) per month. From ayan@ayan.net Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 02:54:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c188fd90_a5cf_11d8_95b8_00304828b574_24819; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:54:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCEA344825 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:54:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1532a4e_a5cf_11d8_9233_00304828b574_24815; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:54:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A6C1E7580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:54:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8B87580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:54:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c11658e4_a5cf_11d8_83e2_00304828b574_24812; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:54:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C2C344825 for ; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 13:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <40A507B7.802@ayan.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:53:59 -0400 From: Ayan George User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040411) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ati video cards References: <4ab51f0df5369f1feacb74dbf47d9bc9@plan9.ucalgary.ca> In-Reply-To: <4ab51f0df5369f1feacb74dbf47d9bc9@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu thank you. sorry for the lack of detail. i have a thinkpad a30p with a Radeon Mobility M6 LY. i'm not sure if the drivers you mention will work with it. i'll give them a try. i'm curious to know why these drivers aren't included in the official distribution. -ayan andrey mirtchovski wrote: >you don't mention which thinkpad you have, so i'll assume your vga is >a radeon 7500. philippe anel has drivers for it here: > > http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html > >also check the 9fans archives -- there were discussions about >modifications to the drivers a few months ago. > >andrey > > From 9nut@9netics.com Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > By the way, is there a 9fs for XP? drawterm. run it on a different port and have that script on the cpu post the fd to /srv after authenticating. then mount it. Very It's useful. From a@9srv.net Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 03:14:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b3daf86_a5d2_11d8_8789_00304828b574_7718; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422863455C7 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7aed32cc_a5d2_11d8_9893_00304828b574_7642; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EF03E7580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00237580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7aa0f538_a5d2_11d8_86d2_00304828b574_7639; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B803455C7 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79c3c03c_a5d2_11d8_8253_00304828b574_7485; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:14:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8589D19FF6 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:14:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47AE119EC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28621-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BAC519F36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e55518941074073dff8511d16a6678a@9srv.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:12:45 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <48949d907a41c68435d71c344df65d01@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // Great. The my-blackout's-bigger-than-yours discussion! not my intent; wasn't my blackout, i was just far enough south that i never lost power. just correcting some facts. =E3=82=A2 From a@9srv.net Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 03:15:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b06d0684_a5d2_11d8_8bb1_00304828b574_9041; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:15:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898313455D5 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:15:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b037db08_a5d2_11d8_89a9_00304828b574_9038; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:15:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 769877580F9; Sat, 15 May 2004 03:15:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3710A7580FA for ; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 14:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 455AE19BE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1a19a4f88b48bcf8967842b23064a203@9srv.net> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:14:03 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <5ba763859dac79a28748ea65cc54a556@davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable // Then you should have noticed that kfs does not come up nicely // after power failure. um, yeah, i have noticed that. and had said earlier that i didn't find kfs to be particularly reliable. =E3=82=A2 From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 12:48:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4EImDC2018231 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 12:48:13 -0600 Received: from fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4EHMI7i012126 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:22:18 -0600 Received: from localhost (mirtchov@localhost) by fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id i4EHMIm5012122 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 11:22:18 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: fbsd.cpsc.ucalgary.ca: mirtchov owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:22:18 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: <48949d907a41c68435d71c344df65d01@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-IPinDNS-NoPat: Yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 14 May 2004, Sape Mullender wrote: > Great. The my-blackout's-bigger-than-yours discussion! > true story: when i was a kid growing up in a well known eastern bloc country we had electricity shortages in the winter. our government had made contracts for exporting electricity from the nuclear power plant to turkey and greece, and during the winter months, when power consumption peaked, there simply wasn't enough to go around locally. we had electricity for 3 hours, then 3 hours blackout, repeat. they 'd turn it on in one part of the city and turn it off somewhere else. that was all government mandated! next winter it was 1:3 -- 1 hour blackout, three hours with electricity. this continued for three-four years -- every winter the country looked like a diskotheque. andrey ps: relevance? what relevance? From rminnich@lanl.gov Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 04:36:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb36d568_a5dd_11d8_9800_00304828b574_13198; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF9D345659 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb03e1bc_a5dd_11d8_9210_00304828b574_13195; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5F9BA7580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:36:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FA27580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fab6faf0_a5dd_11d8_9ec6_00304828b574_13192; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A385345659 for ; 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Fri, 14 May 2004 13:36:03 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4EJa2Q8030262 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:36:02 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4EJa2wO029645 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 13:36:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:36:02 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 14 May 2004, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > this continued for three-four years -- every winter the country looked > like a diskotheque. that's why you couldn't get your MSCA. ron From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 05:12:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f542fb32_a5e2_11d8_8a78_00304828b574_8785; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:12:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0347934598B for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:12:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f51022fc_a5e2_11d8_96b3_00304828b574_8782; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:12:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D81C07580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:11:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B567580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:11:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4cfe8f4_a5e2_11d8_900e_00304828b574_8779; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:11:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CA834598B for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:11:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f41c1914_a5e2_11d8_9f88_00304828b574_8776; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:11:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C1CB1A02B for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:11:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F37C19FD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06328-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52CEC19FA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1d95f13908a4a9cbb6034f0aa7399c8d@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:52:07 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > that's why you couldn't get your MSCA. > > ron no microsoft back then. we had our own reverse-engineered PC-DOS operating systems running on the reverse engineered PC's we (not me, of course) were making. the apple II clones: http://bulgariancomputers.freeservers.com/pravetz-82/index_eng.html http://www.mess.org/sysinfo/prav8d.htm there's a links there to a txt file detailing some more about the 8086 clones. no MCSA, but they started an official cisco academy in my home town a few years ago. you can cue in jokes about the physical training required to run quickly to the server room whenever the power goes out any time now. andrey From dvd@davidashen.net Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sat, 15 May 2004 01:26:54 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 01:28:09 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] noatime for fossil? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I've read through the mans but either missed it or it is not there. Is it possible to mount a fossil so that atime's are not updated? I understand it would break certain things, but would be useful with CF, a hot topic during last hours. From brucee@chunder.com Sat May 15 23:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 05:38:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 97d3570e_a5e6_11d8_9a45_00304828b574_2109; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:38:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC3D3448DB for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:38:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9799a522_a5e6_11d8_825c_00304828b574_2028; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:38:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D0DDA7580FB; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:38:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479CC7580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:38:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 970fed46_a5e6_11d8_9029_00304828b574_2024; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:38:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509183448D8 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:37:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 965c0d1c_a5e6_11d8_9a34_00304828b574_2018; Sat, 15 May 2004 05:37:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E09BA1A03B for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:37:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE16419FF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09123-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 42B3C19FED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29154 invoked by uid 89); 14 May 2004 20:19:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 14 May 2004 20:19:51 -0000 Message-ID: <40A52ECE.7010305@chunder.com> Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 06:40:46 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] noatime for fossil? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu flashfs does not update atimes ('cause it's silly) and mtimes are implicit in the modifying op. no reason why fossil couldn't be coerced to do this. brucee dvd@davidashen.net wrote: > I've read through the mans but either missed it or it is not there. > Is it possible to mount a fossil so that atime's are not updated? > I understand it would break certain things, but would be useful > with CF, a hot topic during last hours. From russcox@gmail.com Sat May 15 23:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 06:24:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ca347e6_a5ed_11d8_99df_00304828b574_7312; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA8A344943 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0b3cbf90_a5ed_11d8_87f5_00304828b574_7246; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B1E7375810C; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D30758100 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 093ac0a2_a5ed_11d8_9c56_00304828b574_7051; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D7C344760 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05de7412_a5ed_11d8_89d2_00304828b574_6649; Sat, 15 May 2004 06:24:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D33C19FBE for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 17:23:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A21D19E11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 17:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11668-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 17:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1B67719D11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 17:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so2281cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.14 with SMTP id x14mr9556cwb; Fri, 14 May 2004 14:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:23:39 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] noatime for fossil? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I've read through the mans but either missed it or it is not there. > Is it possible to mount a fossil so that atime's are not updated? > I understand it would break certain things, but would be useful > with CF, a hot topic during last hours. there's no such option. it's easy to add. (the code already avoids updating the atime on read-only file systems.) i'm not sure the win would be as big as it is in kfs, though, since metadata updates are already cached. From geoff@collyer.net Sat May 15 23:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 07:32:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a16220d8_a5f6_11d8_81ec_00304828b574_1338; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F393443E8 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a12f879a_a5f6_11d8_8f39_00304828b574_1334; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0139775810E; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B5B7580FB for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f260820_a5f6_11d8_953d_00304828b574_1300; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5593443E8 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87322ab4_a5f6_11d8_8736_00304828b574_580; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:32:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9A741A00A for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:32:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0439C19E11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18735-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [198.144.194.254]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 103F819D9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 18:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <41e2cd58fce6cb1b2869ae5dae63bef0@collyer.net> From: Geoff Collyer Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:31:44 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu When I asked 1127 folks what the "k" in "kfs" stood for (and suggested "kludge"), they said it stood for "Ken". The on-disk formats of kfs and /sys/src/fs are clearly related, with kfs's intended to permit easily parameterising the block size. I have used a modified kfs to recover data from a damaged Ken fs. kfs is roughly a subset of Ken fs; perhaps distinguishing user vs. kernel or standalone vs. non-standalone would clarify which "kfs" or "ken fs" we mean. From russcox@gmail.com Sat May 15 23:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 08:32:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa3c79d0_a5fe_11d8_9e1c_00304828b574_21386; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAE0344E11 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa07f6ce_a5fe_11d8_82bb_00304828b574_21383; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D0797580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82E77580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9cf51f2_a5fe_11d8_89c9_00304828b574_21380; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E047E344E11 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f91aea1e_a5fe_11d8_87a4_00304828b574_21377; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:32:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A08621A063 for ; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:32:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20B3D19F3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22567-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 17C0C19AAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 19:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so2696cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.66 with SMTP id u66mr11789cwc; Fri, 14 May 2004 16:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 19:32:13 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan 9 ports X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I pushed out lots of updates. They work on Mac, FreeBSD, and Linux. I think I've caught up now. Mostly minor things. The most significant is that all the X programs have a -W cmd line option that specifies how big and where the initial window should be, e.g. "acme -W 400x400". alternate syntaxes include WxH@MINX,MINY 'MINX MINY MAXX MAXY' MINX,MINY,MAXX,MAXY russ From usa@home.icarus.freeuk.com Sat May 15 23:51:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 14:03:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 401f1402_a62d_11d8_8be1_00304828b574_19629; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8DC344B09 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3fed2a82_a62d_11d8_8072_00304828b574_19626; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3D0407580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA01A7580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3fae2602_a62d_11d8_977e_00304828b574_19623; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0472F344B09 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3efd3270_a62d_11d8_8a71_00304828b574_19620; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:03:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65E1D1A04A for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:03:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF9CB19ACF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22131-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.icarus.freeuk.com (adsl-64-142-9-188.sonic.net [64.142.9.188]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E3B5919AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1674 invoked by uid 1000); 15 May 2004 05:03:27 -0000 Date: 15 May 2004 05:03:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20040515050327.1673.qmail@home.icarus.freeuk.com> From: usa@home.icarus.freeuk.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: plan 9 ports X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Any reason for 'mc' to be removed? From taj.khattra@pobox.com Sat May 15 23:51:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 14:41:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e307bb4_a632_11d8_9d03_00304828b574_17368; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3263345073 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7debe562_a632_11d8_9836_00304828b574_17365; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B5C517580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E6DD7580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7dacdd54_a632_11d8_904f_00304828b574_17362; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C22345073 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7cf938ee_a632_11d8_9293_00304828b574_17359; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:41:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AF261A068 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:41:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A4B31A023 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23625-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23C431A01E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([66.183.149.208]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.00.05.02 201-2115-109-103-20031105) with ESMTP id <20040515054056.MXHV4426.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@localhost.localdomain> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 14 May 2004 23:40:56 -0600 Received: (qmail 30101 invoked by uid 500); 15 May 2004 05:44:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 22:44:04 -0700 From: Taj Khattra To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 ports Message-ID: <20040515054404.GA30084@localhost.localdomain> References: <20040515050327.1673.qmail@home.icarus.freeuk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040515050327.1673.qmail@home.icarus.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat, May 15, 2004 at 05:03:27AM -0000, usa@home.icarus.freeuk.com wrote: > Any reason for 'mc' to be removed? it's still there: src/cmd/draw/mc.c From boyd@insultant.net Sat May 15 23:51:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 15:00:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2587ae6c_a635_11d8_8845_00304828b574_4936; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:00:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 074A5344245 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:00:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24eaacac_a635_11d8_85d0_00304828b574_4920; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:00:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 831ED75810C; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:00:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8A7758102 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:00:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22d9d80c_a635_11d8_8929_00304828b574_4896; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:00:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF00A344245 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:54:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ba40894_a634_11d8_8341_00304828b574_30459; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:54:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE2A41A047 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:54:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D32C1A02D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24176-01-66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6EA5F1A02B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 01:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.122.33]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E6C837976 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 07:53:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01d901c43a40$8d2bea80$217a7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040515050327.1673.qmail@home.icarus.freeuk.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: plan 9 ports Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 07:50:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Any reason for 'mc' to be removed? what purpose did it serve? all i can remember is that i had: ls | mc programmed into a teleray t1062 function key(s): F1 ls -ltr F2 ls | mc F3 exec -sh F4 ps -dfhy | sort - more lc(1) seems a lot easier. 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From matthias@mteege.de Sat May 15 23:51:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 15:45:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7577700a_a63b_11d8_89df_00304828b574_8777; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A953450AD for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7545e51c_a63b_11d8_95a4_00304828b574_8774; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AC1B37580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D737580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7504f1ce_a63b_11d8_8505_00304828b574_8768; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3A43450AD for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7450c6ae_a63b_11d8_9da0_00304828b574_8759; Sat, 15 May 2004 15:45:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99DC21A047 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:45:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDBED19EEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00161-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (one.mteege.de [81.2.131.61]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8184C19DEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 02:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15328 invoked by uid 66); 15 May 2004 06:45:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 29224 invoked by uid 0); 15 May 2004 06:42:39 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 15 May 2004 06:42:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 97989 invoked from network); 15 May 2004 06:42:38 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 15 May 2004 06:42:38 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 06:40:23 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan 9 ports In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat May 15 00:03:25 GMT 2004, russcox@gmail.com wrote: > I pushed out lots of updates. > They work on Mac, FreeBSD, and Linux. --- mkmk.sh.orig 2004-05-15 08:26:56.880514640 +0200 +++ mkmk.sh 2004-05-15 08:34:03.994583432 +0200 @@ -193,6 +193,6 @@ 9c varsub.c 9c word.c 9c unix.c -9l -o o.mk arc.o archive.o bufblock.o env.o file.o graph.o job.o lex.o main.o match.o mk.o parse.o recipe.o rule.o run.o sh.o shprint.o symtab.o var.o varsub.o word.o unix.o /Users/rsc/plan9/lib/libregexp9.a /Users/rsc/plan9/lib/libbio.a /Users/rsc/plan9/lib/lib9.a -install -c o.mk /Users/rsc/plan9/bin/mk +9l -o o.mk arc.o archive.o bufblock.o env.o file.o graph.o job.o lex.o main.o match.o mk.o parse.o recipe.o rule.o run.o sh.o shprint.o symtab.o var.o varsub.o word.o unix.o $PLAN9/lib/libregexp9.a $PLAN9/lib/libbio.a $PLAN9/lib/lib9.a +install -c o.mk $PLAN9/bin/mk cd .. Next time I use sam to express this. ;-) Matthias From ajft@ajft.org Sat May 15 23:51:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 17:24:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 550f76ce_a649_11d8_9f82_00304828b574_27177; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0D6345166 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54d8057c_a649_11d8_9435_00304828b574_27174; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 403B17580FA; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F1D7580F9 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 548e0a3a_a649_11d8_8b54_00304828b574_27171; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98930345166 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53ac7bec_a649_11d8_90b4_00304828b574_27168; Sat, 15 May 2004 17:24:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C87F71A05B for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:24:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 845FB1A041 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10782-02-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ALPHA1.ITS.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha1.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BE771A035 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 04:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([130.194.13.84]) by vaxc.its.monash.edu.au (PMDF V6.1 #39306) with ESMTP id <01LA4SKENNJE8WX9G7@vaxc.its.monash.edu.au> for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 15 May 2004 18:24:18 +1000 Received: from blammo.its.monash.edu.au (localhost.its.monash.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAFF39C015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 18:24:18 +1000 (EST) Received: from ascend-d-21.its.monash.edu.au (ascend-d-21.its.monash.edu.au [130.194.12.31]) (user ajft) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blammo.its.monash.edu.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF68C2DC012 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 18:24:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:23:55 +1000 From: Adrian Tritschler Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) In-reply-to: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-id: <200405151823.56285.ajft@ajft.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 X-FOAF: http://ajft.org/foaf.rdf References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 14 May 2004 19:17, Kenji Okamoto wrote: > > Not everyone lives in a region when blackouts last for hours > > occasionally. > > The last time when we experienced blackout without pre-announcement, > I don't remember it. Probably it may before 30 years ago. =E2=98=BA Wow. No big blackouts here, just lots 'n lots of little ones. Here in the third world...Ok, Melbourne, Australia, I'm lucky if the PC at= =20 home runs for four weeks without a power outage that forces a reboot. They= =20 might only be momentary, maybe upto few seconds, but resetting every clock = in=20 the phone, the microwave, the alarms, etc, around the place is getting to b= e=20 a major pain. The wonder that is our privatised electricity network, maximum profit, mini= mum=20 maintenance... 1 123 days, 06:17:47 | Linux 2.4.20 Mon Jun 2 18:19:15 2= 003 2 110 days, 19:51:16 | Linux 2.4.20 Wed Dec 4 20:53:55 2= 002 3 52 days, 00:01:53 | Linux 2.4.18 Tue Sep 3 17:53:52 2= 002 4 34 days, 21:38:02 | Linux 2.4.24 Tue Feb 24 18:38:53 2= 004 5 32 days, 03:53:20 | Linux 2.4.20 Fri Apr 4 18:47:57 2= 003 6 23 days, 14:42:10 | Linux 2.4.20 Sun Oct 5 19:46:50 2= 003 7 22 days, 23:30:03 | Linux 2.4.18 Thu Oct 31 16:53:11 2= 002 =2D> 8 21 days, 22:18:38 | Linux 2.4.25 Fri Apr 23 19:34:18= 2004 9 15 days, 10:36:07 | Linux 2.4.24 Tue Mar 30 16:55:21 2= 004 10 14 days, 00:01:04 | Linux 2.4.20 Sat May 17 16:19:53 2= 003 11 12 days, 20:01:49 | Linux 2.4.22 Thu Nov 6 21:46:13 2= 003 12 11 days, 03:27:08 | Linux 2.4.18 Sat Nov 23 16:24:55 2= 002 13 10 days, 05:12:44 | Linux 2.4.20 Tue May 6 22:45:37 2= 003 No comments on the OS, please! And don't tell me I should buy a UPS, I thi= nk=20 I already know that. Adrian > Kenji From boyd@insultant.net Sat May 15 23:51:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat May 15 21:10:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d642d4c4_a668_11d8_92c2_00304828b574_25441; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8239034428A for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d60b3ef6_a668_11d8_920d_00304828b574_25438; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E0C627580FF; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:10:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E467580FC for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:10:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4927c10_a668_11d8_943b_00304828b574_25420; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:10:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC2634428A for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c52c7b18_a668_11d8_84f9_00304828b574_24491; Sat, 15 May 2004 21:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E230E1A071 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:09:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BAD9199FD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28478-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1FF07199B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 08:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.120.110]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CB0E86727F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 14:09:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002701c43a74$f2f29ce0$6e787d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200405151823.56285.ajft@ajft.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 14:05:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Here in the third world...Ok, Melbourne, Australia, ... yeah, interesting how the banks have shut up shop in the smaller towns. even citibank in sydney have only 1 branch and that's for business customers only. From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Sun May 16 11:45:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 16 00:35:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e6ddbcc_a685_11d8_81cb_00304828b574_6436; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F85E344754 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e3b30b4_a685_11d8_8505_00304828b574_6433; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 51D8C7580FA; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F647580F9 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8df9cd7c_a685_11d8_8c36_00304828b574_6430; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10410344754 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d46290c_a685_11d8_8c04_00304828b574_6427; Sun, 16 May 2004 00:35:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FDCD1A00E for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 11:35:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C969819BA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 11:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14546-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 11:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9F1119B42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 11:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E4324FD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 11:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5CAB428; Sat, 15 May 2004 11:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 11:35:36 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff port Message-ID: <20040515153536.GA87424@mero.morphisms.net> References: <20040515064456.GA30755@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040515064456.GA30755@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 11:44:56PM -0700, Taj Khattra wrote: > i've put a port of troff and associates to Russ's Plan 9 > ports collection at http://pobox.com/~taj.khattra/9troff.html > > hopefully it can be included in ports sometime. We already have a port, but I've been too busy to merge it into Russ's latest tree. Maybe in early June I'll have time to sift through things. From russcox@gmail.com Sun May 16 11:45:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 16 08:39:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2aaaaa40_a6c9_11d8_8d90_00304828b574_30599; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:39:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0A6344821 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:39:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a74330c_a6c9_11d8_8807_00304828b574_30592; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:39:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 94BAC758109; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:39:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34C67580FA for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:39:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 281fb27a_a6c9_11d8_84ba_00304828b574_30563; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:39:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCC7344821 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:35:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e01bc38_a6c8_11d8_9f38_00304828b574_26064; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:35:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA5CD1A011 for ; Sat, 15 May 2004 19:35:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74BB319C32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 19:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24889-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 19:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 61A1119B23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 19:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so5417cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 15 May 2004 16:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.77 with SMTP id u77mr29047cwc; Sat, 15 May 2004 16:35:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 19:35:02 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff port In-Reply-To: <20040515153536.GA87424@mero.morphisms.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040515064456.GA30755@localhost.localdomain> <20040515153536.GA87424@mero.morphisms.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I merged Taj's port into the CVS tree but it's marked as BUGGERED until someone gets rid of all the compilation warnings. Russ From boyd@insultant.net Sun May 16 11:45:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun May 16 08:42:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f44dde6_a6c9_11d8_8e4c_00304828b574_1207; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:42:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAB63442A9 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:42:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f0eb75c_a6c9_11d8_973d_00304828b574_1204; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:42:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A94687580FA; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:42:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9267580F9 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 08:42:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7ed29f7e_a6c9_11d8_8ac5_00304828b574_1201; 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Sat, 15 May 2004 19:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.120.110]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 361F637970 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 01:41:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01ba01c43ad5$bc67a290$6e787d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040515064456.GA30755@localhost.localdomain><20040515153536.GA87424@mero.morphisms.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff port Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 01:38:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > marked as BUGGERED until someone gets rid > of all the compilation warnings. :) From boyd@insultant.net Sun May 16 11:45:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sun, 16 May 2004 02:05:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01ce01c43ad9$065e63e0$6e787d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040515064456.GA30755@localhost.localdomain><20040515153536.GA87424@mero.morphisms.net> <01ba01c43ad5$bc67a290$6e787d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff port Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 02:02:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > marked as BUGGERED until someone gets rid > of all the compilation warnings. just the sort of bit you need on various bits of buggered junk on plan 9 ;) paul vixie, at some point, hacked a firewall kernel so that only root could give public execute to executables. a neat hack to 'bless' executables. root is dead now -- it was rooted. 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I'll merge in most of mine shortly since it is more complete and the starter solenoid on my car is toast so I'm not going anywhere without an insulated screwdriver to short it out. 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Wow. I'd forgotten how many of those there were without editing the source. I ended up ``fixing'' lex and yacc, too. Given another hour or two of hacking, the combination of the two ports should be usable (got sidetracked by Dr. Strangelove and now it is late...). 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What wrong with that? -- convicted COBOL fellon. --upas-leyscoqpsekggqlrfenmibmttw Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8780E19E57 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:04:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2BD819E34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21519-02-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0B9419B48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.12]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C0CA379B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 03:04:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004a01c43baa$68e7fe50$0c7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <739406f67487fa69a3bebb04b6bbe97c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:00:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+bwc=borf.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+bwc=borf.com@cse.psu.edu > By te bay, what is MCSA? micro$sloth certification something that someone's paid a lotta cash for and you have a pice of paper and a terminally damaged brain. i'm with dijkstra on this one: The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offense. --upas-leyscoqpsekggqlrfenmibmttw-- From boyd@insultant.net Mon May 17 22:16:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 17 10:32:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14503c7c_a7a2_11d8_96a9_00304828b574_19986; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:32:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9A134430C for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:32:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1419c2b4_a7a2_11d8_9c0d_00304828b574_19978; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:32:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 23A9775810C; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:32:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B6E5758158 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:32:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 014a27e6_a7a2_11d8_9f50_00304828b574_19218; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:32:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1613444D4 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:31:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed4455a0_a7a1_11d8_92a8_00304828b574_18592; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:31:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CDF219E44 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:31:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A61FF19E04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25725-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C24E619AAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.66]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E0A137980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 03:31:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <008c01c43bae$350b2e50$0c7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:28:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > -- convicted COBOL fellon. convicted? what was the sentence? 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boundary="upas-nudkzinpwyqsdipxfgfkztuwnd" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-nudkzinpwyqsdipxfgfkztuwnd Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Grading 30 600 Line COBOL programs :( --upas-nudkzinpwyqsdipxfgfkztuwnd Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C59F19E45 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:31:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A61FF19E04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 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Mon, 17 May 2004 03:46:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00ae01c43bb0$4939bca0$0c7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7d48bf4d3f1d289409896d01e10e4750@borf.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:42:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Grading 30 600 Line COBOL programs :( that's not penance. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Mon May 17 22:16:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 17 10:47:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f040ac4_a7a4_11d8_9162_00304828b574_492; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E960134555A for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ed39402_a7a4_11d8_8bcb_00304828b574_489; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D7AE87580F9; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9191A7580FA for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e9cac8a_a7a4_11d8_9a02_00304828b574_485; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B75834555A for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2de951c6_a7a4_11d8_87be_00304828b574_476; Mon, 17 May 2004 10:47:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B95A919C9A for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:47:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 075C019BBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22315-02-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:47:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB38919B72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 21:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6e8e15fe7723a06d1b9b46ef8511b54a@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] disk/^(mbr format fdisk prep) From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:48:39 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu By the way, I got rid of /sys/log/auth and /sys/log/ipboot from kfs of the AUTH server, and toggled off the atime. Now, I don't see cyclic 'disk' access LED on the machine, and see the messages to the cosole. I think the machine tuned for CF memory now... Kenji From alikat@MIT.EDU Mon May 17 22:16:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 17 12:06:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b40c632_a7af_11d8_9419_00304828b574_8250; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5648344E83 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3afaa800_a7af_11d8_8189_00304828b574_8247; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A79DF7580FA; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574107580F9 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ab5c4d8_a7af_11d8_9905_00304828b574_8244; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA99344E83 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39ff081a_a7af_11d8_9a87_00304828b574_8241; Mon, 17 May 2004 12:06:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 914D219ED0 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA7A319E53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01344-02-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC01019E45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i4H36L7x020215 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ra (TERAFLOP.MIT.EDU [18.245.3.202]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as alikat@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i4H36KAf028902 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ali Mashtizadeh" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] New OS Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 23:06:20 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c43bbb$eda2a940$0200000a@ra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 In-Reply-To: <00ae01c43bb0$4939bca0$0c7e7d50@SOMA> Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu At least its not MUMPS, (or the "M" Language) that stuffs awful, its an = obfuscated C contest everyday. (no I don=E2=80=99t use it, I know = someone who does) Ali Mashtizadeh =D8=B9=D9=84=DB=8C =D9=85=D8=A7=D8=B4=D8=AA=DB=8C = =D8=B2=D8=A7=D8=AF=D9=87 -----Original Message----- From: 9fans-bounces+alikat=3Dmit.edu@cse.psu.edu = [mailto:9fans-bounces+alikat=3Dmit.edu@cse.psu.edu] On Behalf Of boyd, = rounin Sent: 2004/05/16 09:43 =D8=A8.=D8=B8 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] New OS > Grading 30 600 Line COBOL programs :( that's not penance. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Mon May 17 22:16:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 17 17:24:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8dff7414_a7db_11d8_87fc_00304828b574_9283; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A97344276 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8da36c28_a7db_11d8_9f3d_00304828b574_9238; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5DFD77580F9; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:23:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719FA7580FE for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:23:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8989c150_a7db_11d8_8353_00304828b574_9112; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:23:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF593444BB for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 02bae776_a7db_11d8_9bc8_00304828b574_5188; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA6F61A095 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 04:19:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3CE419ED0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 04:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29508-05-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 04:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A362119ACE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 04:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5e9d2567b966af25cfd60ff03813ae1f@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:20:54 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> Ok! Now, I started to use Compact Flash as our Auth server's >> kfs, which means standalone AUTH server. Today, I started to have double file servers, Ken's file server and Fossil+Venti file server here. Some terminals and a CPU server use Ken's, and other terminal and a CPU server use Fossil+Venti. Let's see how this Plan 9 network works from now. Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Mon May 17 22:16:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon May 17 17:24:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a58893c2_a7db_11d8_88b2_00304828b574_9915; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D39344276 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a552cddc_a7db_11d8_99b6_00304828b574_9912; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F3AD07580FA; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD997580F9 for ; Mon, 17 May 2004 17:24:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5192d3e_a7db_11d8_8245_00304828b574_9909; 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Mon, 17 May 2004 04:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:25:35 +0900 In-Reply-To: <5e9d2567b966af25cfd60ff03813ae1f@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > and other terminal and a CPU server use Fossil+Venti. s/other terminal/other terminals/ =E2=98=BA Kenji From nemo@lsub.org Mon May 17 22:16:28 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fossil question X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu We have this df for our main fossil file system: main: 16,451,764,224 used + 7,533,838,336 free = 23,985,602,560 (68% used) Which says that it's using 16G. 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I bought a really sleek looking desktop case, which I like, but apparently one of the reasons it's so sleek looking is that it's short. My old Tekram SCSI controller won't fit in it. Well actually the controller fits fine, it's just the controller with cables plugged in the top that won't fit. I looked at the LSI Logic lsi20160L, but it's hard to find for buying, and it looks like the chip is called 53C1000, so I wonder whether it will work. Any pointers to <4" tall SCSI controllers that will work with Plan 9? Thanks. 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------=_NextPart_624_CC10_3EDECC10.3EDECC10-- From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue May 18 20:44:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 18 13:36:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb806aa4_a884_11d8_8a48_00304828b574_26952; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:36:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A87B344A4B for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:36:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb4dcc8e_a884_11d8_9dd8_00304828b574_26949; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:36:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 163AA75810D; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:36:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EAA57580FC for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:36:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e836bde4_a884_11d8_9e8b_00304828b574_26905; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:36:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01E90344A4B for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:27:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3b0bce8_a883_11d8_98da_00304828b574_16622; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:27:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15C4519E1B for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:27:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72B6819D65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10371-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D62A19B6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4I4Qmik013485 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 22:26:48 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4I4Qmvp022173 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 22:26:48 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4I4QmwO031883 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 22:26:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 22:26:47 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] did a pull and my vmware/fossil system can't build kernels ... X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I just did a pull, rebuilt pcf, reboot, and the system blows chunks and dies. Hard to tell when it happens as the stack dump scrolls off the vmware screen so fast. I'm just trying a mk all in /sys/src to try to see if that will help, if it blows the system out of the sky, well, I'm no worse off than I am now. I can always revert ... question, though: is there a vmware image somewhere that is all fossil? I note that the current vmware on the bell labs site is still kfs. thanks ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue May 18 20:44:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 18 13:49:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b4574a5a_a886_11d8_861d_00304828b574_6095; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACC91344E83 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b4099670_a886_11d8_8d0a_00304828b574_6064; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8D5107580FA; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23EC97580F9 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b3b3f7ec_a886_11d8_809a_00304828b574_6023; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B644344E83 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2ac9f34_a886_11d8_96f8_00304828b574_5918; Tue, 18 May 2004 13:49:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C75A19E56 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:49:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F73C19E50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08343-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDAAE19E3A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 00:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4I4m9ik014746 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 22:48:09 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4I4m9si027060 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 22:48:09 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4I4m9wO032592 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 17 May 2004 22:48:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 22:48:08 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] a litle note on my dead vmware system X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu looks like it's fossil (which is why I did the rebuild ...) After rebuilding the universe, rebuild pcf, reboot, once fossil starts, nothing can be found on the file system (/adm/timzeon/etc, /bin/rc, ...) The older pcf kernel is fine; it's newer kernels using newer fossil that die. Anybody seen this? To complicate the picture, I've seen none of this probelm on non-vmware systems. I'd just as soon restart from a clean vmware image that has fossil if such exists. thanks ron From jgrove24@hotmail.com Tue May 18 20:44:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue May 18 17:49:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 364880f8_a8a8_11d8_93a4_00304828b574_29304; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:49:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093A43442DB for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:49:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 35f04118_a8a8_11d8_8e11_00304828b574_29231; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:49:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2429C758104; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:49:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33410758100 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:48:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 30ad5a4c_a8a8_11d8_9316_00304828b574_28997; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46F5344311 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:45:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bbfee382_a8a7_11d8_8843_00304828b574_25512; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:45:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3B3519EF3 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 04:45:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4366E19E8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 04:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03632-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 04:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB73D19EB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 04:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BQ030-0005Sz-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 18 May 2004 09:34:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:31:00 GMT From: john grove Message-ID: Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <1084809013.28375.196617444@webmail.messagingengine.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] (no subject) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable maht0x0r@xsmail.com (matt lawless) wrote in message news:<1084809013.2837= 5.196617444@webmail.messagingengine.com>... > SEC to fine Lucent $25m >=20 > By electricnews.net > Published Monday 17th May 2004 11:07 GMT >=20 > Telecoms equipment maker Lucent is expected to be hit with a civil frau= d > lawsuit for what the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) claims > was the improper recognition of $1bn in revenue. >=20 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/17/sec_fines_lucent/ >=20 >=20 > It is also reported that five former Lucent employees will be charged i= n > connection with accounting problems at the company. Those to be charged > are Nina Aversano, the company's former head of North American sales; > William Plunkett, a former senior vice president of sales; Jay Carter, > with global sales; Leslie Dorn, vice president of channel sales; and > Vanessa Petrini, director of business development in mobile high-speed > data. >=20 > The $25m fine is the largest ever handed down by the SEC for failing to > co-operate with an investigation. At the heart of the SEC's concerns ar= e > disputes over Lucent's indemnifying employees under investigation by SE= C > regulators from some things such as legal fees, fines and penalties, th= e > Wall Street Journal said. >=20 > --- >=20 > matt - out and about >=20 > --=20 > matt lawless > maht0x0r@xsmail.com The motive for all this was to pump up the stock price, a run up to near $80, and now around $4.00. I recall a Sopranos story line were Christopher worked at a brokerage, pushing a company L.... something.=20 The end result is investors losing tens of BILLIONS, and tens of thousands of employees jobless. 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Fabio Battaglini From davel@anvil.com Fri May 21 22:45:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 19 01:05:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 401d7074_a8e5_11d8_9ac6_00304828b574_27244; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14977345288 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3feb4aae_a8e5_11d8_946f_00304828b574_27240; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EB2B07580FA; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A132B7580F9 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3faac876_a8e5_11d8_85ff_00304828b574_27237; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E32345288 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ef47634_a8e5_11d8_8390_00304828b574_27234; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:05:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 61D571A0AB for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:05:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F8561A08C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12161-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CACD1A091 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id B7D1C510; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:04:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother.anvil.co.uk [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78DB4F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:04:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED87117284 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 17:05:11 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40AA338D.40207@anvil.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 17:02:21 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] 9conlon X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Well, it happened. We got 10(?) people. Many thanks to the attendees. Particular thanks go to Charles for a great talk on dynamic loading. Alberto for photographs. Matt for networking Everyone else for being there! No thanks at all go to: Arsenal for having their victory parade on the Sunday (my birthday too!). Right, now to start planning for next year ... Cheers, Dave. From vdharani@infernopark.com Fri May 21 22:45:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 19 01:53:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da94c6a6_a8eb_11d8_8ba2_00304828b574_7609; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234B83442D2 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da57c3a0_a8eb_11d8_8e9d_00304828b574_7606; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:53:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 97BFE7580FC; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:53:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E7C758104 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:53:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d8f327ca_a8eb_11d8_98b2_00304828b574_7481; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:53:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE54344720 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:52:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5ef55d6_a8eb_11d8_9a21_00304828b574_6649; Wed, 19 May 2004 01:52:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2477C1A0CF for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:52:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0DAB419FB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13077-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6787A19F9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 12:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i4IJH6Z16244; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:17:06 -0400 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19943.192.11.226.116.1084907826.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] 9conlon From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <40AA338D.40207@anvil.com> References: <40AA338D.40207@anvil.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: davel@anvil.com X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no plans for 9conusa or 9connj? dharani > Well, it happened. > > We got 10(?) people. > > Many thanks to the attendees. > > Particular thanks go to > Charles for a great talk on dynamic loading. > Alberto for photographs. > Matt for networking > Everyone else for being there! > > No thanks at all go to: > Arsenal for having their victory parade on the Sunday > (my birthday too!). > > Right, now to start planning for next year ... > > Cheers, > Dave. From alcortes@coitt.es Fri May 21 22:45:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 19 03:13:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a830c22_a8f7_11d8_8ea2_00304828b574_12211; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:13:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC113344C88 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:13:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a4b5b4c_a8f7_11d8_9616_00304828b574_12207; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:13:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6CF827580FB; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:13:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4407580FD for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:13:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17ae7e82_a8f7_11d8_9dfb_00304828b574_12180; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:13:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0A9344C88 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:05:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e81f319e_a8f5_11d8_858e_00304828b574_2839; Wed, 19 May 2004 03:05:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 959BE1A0B4 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 14:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD6E819E33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 14:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18357-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 14:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from telesmtp4.mail.isp (imap.telefonica.net [213.4.129.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FF3B19E01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 14:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by telesmtp4.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HXX7SX00.O5Z for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 19:41:21 +0200 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQ8Yr-0003J5-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 19:39:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 19:39:29 +0200 From: Alberto Cortes To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9conlon Message-ID: <20040518173929.GB12546@shire> References: <40AA338D.40207@anvil.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40AA338D.40207@anvil.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 18 May 2004 17:02:21 +0000, Dave Lukes wrote: > Alberto for photographs. I will upload the photos to an ftp in a few days, i will announce it to the list when they are ready. Thanks to you for your work, specially for what seems to be the greatest range of snacks i have never seen. -- url: http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From salomo3@cooper.edu Fri May 21 22:45:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 19 04:36:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a84ea89e_a902_11d8_8f47_00304828b574_19533; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:36:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409DE34427B for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:36:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a817e232_a902_11d8_99f5_00304828b574_19527; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:36:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F332E758101; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:36:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24338758104 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a50b5b28_a902_11d8_84c7_00304828b574_19481; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:36:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA3D3442B0 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:28:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8548a8aa_a901_11d8_9b5a_00304828b574_10476; Wed, 19 May 2004 04:28:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1C9F619E8B for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E02719D0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27028-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B2CE19CA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id 661B4393B; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id EE9603937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user-2ive7mm.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.30.214]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Tue, 18 May 2004 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4060.165.247.30.214.1084907663.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9 trivia quiz From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Russ Cox said: > Harder trivia: > > Yes, but why did we need a new default account for 3e? 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From ishwar@pali.cps.cmich.edu Fri May 21 22:45:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 19 09:59:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be91bf88_a92f_11d8_950f_00304828b574_11210; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:59:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241DC34496C for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:59:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bddded3c_a92f_11d8_8a76_00304828b574_11162; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:59:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C53767580FD; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:59:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD377580FA for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:59:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bd7eebc0_a92f_11d8_8c08_00304828b574_11130; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:59:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C8D34499F for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:54:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e58a078_a92f_11d8_93b4_00304828b574_5758; Wed, 19 May 2004 09:54:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8518D1A0C4 for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 20:54:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2B9C19B66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 20:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18330-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 20:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ob1.cmich.edu (ob1.cmich.edu [141.209.20.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56DBF19FCD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 20:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cps.cmich.edu (cps3.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.168.43]) by ob1.cmich.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4J0o7Q7013324 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 20:50:07 -0400 Received: from pali.cps.cmich.edu (pali.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.169.81]) by mail.cps.cmich.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8CC1F95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 20:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 20:54:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ishwar Rattan To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan9 port man pages X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu System is Linux Mandrake-9.1 Just adding /usr/local/plan9/man to MANPATH only works for man page entries that are unique to plan9 but all others have matches in linux man pages or ones that start with a digit (9c etc.) man command treats it as a section #. So, what os the correct way to handle it? -ishwar From vic@plan9.bell-labs.com Fri May 21 22:45:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed May 19 10:12:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8df96ef0_a931_11d8_8978_00304828b574_26243; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:12:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11BA03441A2 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:12:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d8bfb68_a931_11d8_951a_00304828b574_26206; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:12:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6163C7580FB; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:12:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB61E758100 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:12:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8936f00e_a931_11d8_935b_00304828b574_25749; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:12:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12593448F4 for ; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:09:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22981a30_a931_11d8_8297_00304828b574_22813; Wed, 19 May 2004 10:09:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 789991A0EF for ; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:09:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97BC61A03A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01719-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.11.128 (bgp476766bgs.summit01.nj.comcast.net [68.37.144.123]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 562041A025 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 18 May 2004 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0794e73ec743bf7d9c16c311413d3e3b@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] a litle note on my dead vmware system From: vic zandy Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 18:08:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Anybody seen this? I just updated a vmware machine, and tested a new pcf and fossil. Works fine. > I'd just as soon restart from a clean vmware image that has > fossil if such exists. Clean vmware images are easy to make by normal installation. I seem to do it for one reason or another once a week. It seems slow if you stay to watch the fossil get loaded, but otherwise it's painless. 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Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040519031410.GA871@shire>, Subject: Re: [9fans] a strange man who needs no introduction X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu 9nut@9netics.com wrote: > What's this about? All your base are belong to us! From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri May 21 22:45:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:03:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42ef0eec_aae4_11d8_9414_00304828b574_20040; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDF634515A for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:46:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ecf03a2_aa7d_11d8_85e6_00304828b574_18058; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:46:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E9BA07580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:46:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE167580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:46:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e93dbf6_aa7d_11d8_9a27_00304828b574_18022; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:46:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D65334515A for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:46:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2dd7ffb2_aa7d_11d8_84b4_00304828b574_17927; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:46:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C468D19EED for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:46:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C25F419D65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19994-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 892BD19BF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4KGjiYI015344 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:45:44 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4KGjiAe003195 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:45:44 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4KGjiwO015229 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:45:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:45:43 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] timer problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu this is funny. I paused the vmware machine running plan 9, started it up, and saw plan 9 go into the 'run 5x faster' mode. Now THAT's virtualization of hardware :-) ron From alcortes@coitt.es Fri May 21 22:45:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:03:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4387d064_aae4_11d8_9b92_00304828b574_20053; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:03:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0546B345683 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:20:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0befefa4_aa82_11d8_99ec_00304828b574_13148; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:20:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E54927580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:20:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A69E7580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:20:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0bb496d4_aa82_11d8_96e1_00304828b574_13145; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:20:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E437345683 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:20:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0afcb492_aa82_11d8_940d_00304828b574_13142; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:20:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B943219EED for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:20:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A76819F1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24213-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (smtp.telefonica.net [213.4.129.135]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C66DC19F17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HY0W6301.ZNM for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:20:27 +0200 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQrDW-0000ty-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:20:26 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:20:26 +0200 From: Alberto Cortes To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Message-ID: <20040520172026.GB3173@shire> References: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire> <7359f04904052008222b1ec778@mail.gmail.com> <20040520155317.GD2522@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 20 May 2004 12:44:56 +0000, Russ Cox wrote: > The real problem is the impedance mismatch between > the relative case-insensitivity of English convention and the > case-sensitivity of most Unix tools. It occurs when editing > any English text (or text in most other western languages), > not just man pages. Patching the man pages is a kludge. I see the problem, i will give a try on these "meaning-searching" instead of the traditional "patron-searching". i will modify the Look command to be case-insensitive on the first letter of the word, and use it just for fun during a test period. Maybe it will be good to make other changes too, not just the capital first letter, but searching for meanings is hard to implement properly. I hate when i hit these computer-are-no-good-for-that problems. -- url: http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com Fri May 21 22:45:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:03:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 43df2e86_aae4_11d8_80ae_00304828b574_20061; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:03:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0758A34437F for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:38:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f6edec2_aabf_11d8_8686_00304828b574_9751; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:38:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C63EF758118; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:37:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F18758108 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:37:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1850eaea_aabf_11d8_8335_00304828b574_9316; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:37:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86BB3448CC for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:36:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2793336_aabe_11d8_8d22_00304828b574_8130; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:36:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 858321A142 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:36:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66CFE19BD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09616-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D09119CFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64ed6a29a40d6bd5d271a31085841854@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:36:29 -0400 From: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ... Dennis is quoted as saying `if you want PL/I you know where > to find it,' when someone asked for a questionable feature. Does anyone > know what that feature was? In truth I have no idea whether I actually said it as an original aphorism, or in what context. Dennis From alcortes@coitt.es Fri May 21 22:45:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46f7f6de_aae4_11d8_85e7_00304828b574_20350; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4876D3441B5 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfca9ffa_aa79_11d8_878f_00304828b574_31489; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DC3037580FF; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C375C758114 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b68b98b8_aa79_11d8_83ed_00304828b574_31291; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC8D3444FD for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:17:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21b635a4_aa79_11d8_8fff_00304828b574_26232; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:17:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 752621A007 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A49319CFB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18965-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (smtp.telefonica.net [213.4.129.135]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 789D319CBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es ([80.26.72.139]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id HY0T7U00.TNF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 18:16:42 +0200 Received: from alcortes by 80-26-72-139.uc.nombres.ttd.es with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BQprB-0000iV-00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:53:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:53:17 +0200 From: Alberto Cortes To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Message-ID: <20040520155317.GD2522@shire> References: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire> <7359f04904052008222b1ec778@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7359f04904052008222b1ec778@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 20 May 2004 08:22:07 +0000, Rob Pike wrote: > Let me put it to you this way: the first letter of a sentence > is capitalized. As Doug said when we talked about this, > 'the' isn't capitalized either, but we capitalize it at the > beginning of a sentence to aid the reader. I think the real way to help the reader is "to capitalize the letter at the beginning of a sentence" and "to avoid beginning sentences with function names". What really hit me is why some man pages do only half the work. I had googled for these, but i din't get anything, was your talk with Doug on 9fans? if it is so, sorry for waking up a dead topic. any keyword to help on my search? -- url: http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 21 22:45:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47496c3a_aae4_11d8_90d8_00304828b574_20364; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FA1345249 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:11:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 243de35c_aa89_11d8_9076_00304828b574_27654; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:11:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2B7C17580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:11:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D590B7580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:11:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2400db1a_aa89_11d8_8299_00304828b574_27651; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:11:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06AE345249 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:11:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23437390_aa89_11d8_992c_00304828b574_27648; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:11:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07E771A03D for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:11:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38F0C19FD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17519-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1677F1A02E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.79]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C667B37B32; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <051301c43e95$4c5fea20$4f7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Alberto Cortes" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire><7359f04904052008222b1ec778@mail.gmail.com><20040520155317.GD2522@shire> <20040520172026.GB3173@shire> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:07:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i will modify the Look command to be case-insensitive on the first letter of the word if you want windows style searches you know where to find them. From schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu Fri May 21 22:45:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 475f9d70_aae4_11d8_8edd_00304828b574_20367; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46DA1344CC1 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:22:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa8c27da_aa92_11d8_83bc_00304828b574_26355; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:22:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2A9757580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:22:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63547580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:22:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa4d2152_aa92_11d8_81ee_00304828b574_26318; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:22:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB299344CC1 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:22:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f995f996_aa92_11d8_8609_00304828b574_26247; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:22:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D83981A11A for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:21:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5D8A19FF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21870-01-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D9A3519EB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 10184 invoked by uid 991); 20 May 2004 19:21:44 -0000 Message-ID: <20040520192144.10183.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Date: 20 May 2004 15:21:44 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? In-reply-to: <75504d05c991d9e14a40acdbc4bfa7c7@vitanuova.com> References: <75504d05c991d9e14a40acdbc4bfa7c7@vitanuova.com> Comments: In-reply-to rog@vitanuova.com message dated "Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:08 +0100." Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 15:21:44 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu | you could express it quite nicely with the new limbo | polymorphism stuff: Is there a good reference to look at for that? From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 21 22:45:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 475fcf20_aae4_11d8_9783_00304828b574_20366; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0DC3452AB for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:22:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b86406a0_aa8a_11d8_8479_00304828b574_4473; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:22:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3BC917580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:22:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62927580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:22:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b829d034_aa8a_11d8_9083_00304828b574_4470; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:22:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE123452E1 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:22:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b773c29e_aa8a_11d8_9cc1_00304828b574_4464; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:22:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18AF219D0F for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:22:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DC6419D0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17519-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B56C19C7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.79]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 817BD379A2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:22:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <053b01c43e96$dd5d1ce0$4f7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <5817.192.11.226.116.1085085793.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 20:18:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i like the idea of Lookw. I was wondering if it would be nice to have a > search facility which can search an identifier (instead of raw stream of > characters). well, you'd better write N parsers. 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Message-Id: <20040521105004.50ebe366@garlic> In-Reply-To: <64ed6a29a40d6bd5d271a31085841854@plan9.bell-labs.com> References: <64ed6a29a40d6bd5d271a31085841854@plan9.bell-labs.com> Organization: APNIC Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws47 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AP-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100 required=6 X-AP-Spam-Score: -100 (notspam) USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 20 May 2004 20:36:29 -0400 dmr@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > ... Dennis is quoted as saying `if you want PL/I you know where > > to find it,' when someone asked for a questionable feature. Does anyone > > know what that feature was? > >In truth I have no idea whether I actually said it >as an original aphorism, or in what context. > > Dennis computed gotos? compiling PL/1 was like dealing with assembler: every error masked the other 10,000 errors, so you got next to no repeat-bug find for each compile/edit pass. the hubris of PL/1 implying either PL/2 or PL/0 was enormous! 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C != english From rog@vitanuova.com Fri May 21 22:45:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d1e5de6_aae4_11d8_881e_00304828b574_20961; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142BE3456D1 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:36:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 96df4c90_aa8c_11d8_8723_00304828b574_16021; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:36:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E8B897580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:36:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA8C7580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:36:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 969d2cac_aa8c_11d8_8309_00304828b574_16017; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:36:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990143456D1 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:36:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95df40f2_aa8c_11d8_8d20_00304828b574_16014; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:36:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C342C1A0C9 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFD2519DD6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19931-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54E6819D47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <75504d05c991d9e14a40acdbc4bfa7c7@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:08 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > you'd better write N parsers. actually it's not an unreasonable idea to have a regular expression engine that could work on arbitrary alphabets. you could express it quite nicely with the new limbo polymorphism stuff: match[T](c: chan of T, p: ref Regex[T]): int for { T => eq: fn(t: self T, t1: T): int; eof: fn(t: self T): int; } so the alphabet would consist of members of type T, arriving down channel c, being matched against a previously compiled pattern p. match would return when it enounters a match, or reads a t such that t.eof() is true. then you could write N parsers and just plug 'em in. i've got something that would allow one to use this kind of stuff with a shell-like syntax. it's awaiting a bit more of my time... From robpike@gmail.com Fri May 21 22:45:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d1122e8_aae4_11d8_9fa8_00304828b574_20958; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2233451C5 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 811b9e0c_aa7f_11d8_91ac_00304828b574_31148; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 054C97580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A06807580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80d65be4_aa7f_11d8_8550_00304828b574_31145; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B513451C5 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80208d28_aa7f_11d8_8ad6_00304828b574_31142; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:02:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CADD519F78 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:02:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D453B19C91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24213-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C90C519C8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so115856rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.119.15 with SMTP id r15mr72181cwc; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904052010023a9bf72f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:02:20 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? In-Reply-To: <20040520155317.GD2522@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire> <7359f04904052008222b1ec778@mail.gmail.com> <20040520155317.GD2522@shire> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > was your talk with > Doug on 9fans? it was in his office, when we were talking about the format of man pages for one of the published unix manuals. -rob From russcox@gmail.com Fri May 21 22:45:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d15c23a_aae4_11d8_803f_00304828b574_20957; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144E5345154 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:45:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16fdb8d6_aa7d_11d8_91b2_00304828b574_17766; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:45:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F20407580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:45:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E577580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:45:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16c20912_aa7d_11d8_9571_00304828b574_17763; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:45:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEA1345154 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:45:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 160ad67a_aa7d_11d8_9822_00304828b574_17760; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:45:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1EAEF19BF3 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:45:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49D2F19D65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19994-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F305C19BF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so91915cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.26 with SMTP id v26mr139617cwb; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 12:44:56 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? In-Reply-To: <20040520155317.GD2522@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire> <7359f04904052008222b1ec778@mail.gmail.com> <20040520155317.GD2522@shire> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think the real way to help the reader is "to capitalize the letter at > the beginning of a sentence" and "to avoid beginning sentences with > function names". What really hit me is why some man pages do only > half the work. It's unnecessarily verbose to write "The function strdup does foo." instead of "Strdup does foo." everywhere. The real problem is the impedance mismatch between the relative case-insensitivity of English convention and the case-sensitivity of most Unix tools. It occurs when editing any English text (or text in most other western languages), not just man pages. Patching the man pages is a kludge. Russ From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri May 21 22:45:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d3d4350_aae4_11d8_8b7c_00304828b574_20963; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18365344815 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:12:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6929522_aa99_11d8_9827_00304828b574_2248; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:12:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BF3967580FE; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:12:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7941F7580FC for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:12:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f636a69a_aa99_11d8_8652_00304828b574_2241; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:12:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4429344815 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:11:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0a1de90_aa99_11d8_89c3_00304828b574_782; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:11:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60FAB1A0D8 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:10:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FCE41A038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27451-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.leed.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22E8419FFB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu, inferno-list@vitanuova.com Subject: Re: [9fans] limbo polymorphism From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 21:10:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Env: adt[V] for { V => discard: fn(v: self V); } { following a suggestion of roger's, that for clause might move to follow the adt declaration, that's one reason the syntax hasn't been published yet. it doesn't affect functionality. From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 21 22:45:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d9d86de_aae4_11d8_8f2a_00304828b574_20985; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C09344255 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:13:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2cce95d2_aa9a_11d8_9ef3_00304828b574_3953; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:13:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C01597580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:13:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA167580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:13:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2bdf34b0_aa9a_11d8_8c1c_00304828b574_3940; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:13:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 563F7344255 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:11:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e5e402d8_aa99_11d8_81c4_00304828b574_1778; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:11:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5569E1A0F9 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:11:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75B5319BF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27451-01-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2FC31A038 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.122.255]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DCF637B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:11:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002801c43ea6$272e5e60$ff7a7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <75504d05c991d9e14a40acdbc4bfa7c7@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 22:07:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > then you could write N parsers and just plug 'em in. how large is N? comments and strings and stuff? From vdharani@infernopark.com Fri May 21 22:45:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e4ec124_aae4_11d8_96eb_00304828b574_21012; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CE1345298 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0fa85f02_aa8a_11d8_99fb_00304828b574_1346; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1BC857580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A497580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f671c90_aa8a_11d8_8614_00304828b574_1343; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9EEF345298 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0eaf862a_aa8a_11d8_8d2a_00304828b574_1329; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BFBC1A116 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:18:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D603419AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00726-01-88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensim.rackshack.net (unknown [216.127.72.23]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40E2719B21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from infernopark.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by ensim.rackshack.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i4KKhDZ24422; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:43:13 -0400 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5817.192.11.226.116.1085085793.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: rog@vitanuova.com, alcortes@coitt.es X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> i will modify the Look command to be case-insensitive on the first >> letter of the word, and use it just for fun during a test period. > > while you're about it, i've thought for a while it'd be nice to have a > "Lookw" command to look for whole words only, so I can easily search > for single-letter variable names in my programs... > > the only current alternative as far as i can see is something like: > > :/(^|[^\\0-9a-zA-Z_])e($|[^0-9a-zA-Z_]) > > to search for "e", which is a bit like hard work. i like the idea of Lookw. I was wondering if it would be nice to have a search facility which can search an identifier (instead of raw stream of characters). Thanks dharani From tom@insolvencyhelp.org Fri May 21 22:45:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ee0d028_aae4_11d8_854a_00304828b574_21024; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F1D345847 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b59fdfa_aaba_11d8_9787_00304828b574_8811; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1A71E7580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35347580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b1878bc_aaba_11d8_946e_00304828b574_8808; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD70C345847 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a5a9b94_aaba_11d8_9881_00304828b574_8805; Fri, 21 May 2004 09:03:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C2761A108 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:03:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 327A519C40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07896-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net (rwcrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.198.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F38E019C11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aluminum.miller.net (h0004e267c13e.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.91.163.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2004052100030801500qd26ue>; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:03:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:20:06 -0400 From: "Thomas Miller" Organization: InsolvencyHelp.Org To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] wiki down? Message-ID: <40AD3D26.nail62M11QWP0@insolvencyhelp.org> References: <40AD2368.9010600@anvil.com> <31688.192.11.226.116.1085105233.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <31688.192.11.226.116.1085105233.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> User-Agent: nail 10.7 3/19/04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Thomas Miller , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu wrote: > > http://cm.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki > > anyone able to access wiki pages? > > thanks > dharani > > Yes. From boyd@insultant.net Fri May 21 22:45:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f393060_aae4_11d8_8d39_00304828b574_21037; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 353793453FC for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea863698_aacc_11d8_9610_00304828b574_326; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1682A7580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7A07580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea43fc92_aacc_11d8_92f8_00304828b574_323; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E843453FC for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e98be580_aacc_11d8_87b8_00304828b574_320; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:16:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA9131A139 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:16:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E833B1A0C5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13288-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF9701A039 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.32]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 41F3637BF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 21 May 2004 04:16:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001401c43ed9$307b9f90$207e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <64ed6a29a40d6bd5d271a31085841854@plan9.bell-labs.com> <7359f0490405201759c4e4536@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 04:13:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > when ken and i described the new features we were proposing for plan 9 C ... i remember another unix room time when when ken exclaimed: persistant objects? we've got those. they're called files. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri May 21 22:45:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50d4150c_aae4_11d8_9aee_00304828b574_21068; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 915DF344B71 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:44:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0b5b09e_aa63_11d8_8605_00304828b574_18409; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:44:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E99707580FA; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:44:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5E67580FE for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:44:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc73bba2_aa63_11d8_915d_00304828b574_18350; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:44:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CB6344C11 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:38:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed1c443e_aa62_11d8_9f09_00304828b574_11081; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:38:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 050B919ED6 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:38:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B59719CDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10246-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6AC7F19C23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fs tester? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:43:56 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I used fsx for v9fs and it's not bad fsx? 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Thats because the paragraph where it is explained starts by "Strdup bla bla...". =BFWhat are the benefits of keeping that convention for function names?. --=20 url: http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From rog@vitanuova.com Fri May 21 22:45:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 510603aa_aae4_11d8_8846_00304828b574_21075; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9138A344C8C for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:14:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e876864_aa89_11d8_8b9d_00304828b574_30350; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:14:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 641F47580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:14:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2008A7580FE for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:14:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d0bac5c_aa89_11d8_822c_00304828b574_30324; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:14:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B120B34465E for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87eb2ff4_aa89_11d8_89b2_00304828b574_30285; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A31131A0C8 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:14:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7A3BC1A007 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17519-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29F7919FD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:20:15 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <051301c43e95$4c5fea20$4f7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > if you want windows style searches you know where to find them. hmm. i kind-of agree, but then again i find myself using grep -i quite a bit, so perhaps there's room for some ambivalence. :/[bB][oO][yY][dD] is really quite a hassle to type. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Fri May 21 22:45:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5328baec_aae4_11d8_9d9b_00304828b574_21145; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0B73447FA for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:35:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c8e2614_aa9d_11d8_87dc_00304828b574_26770; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:35:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id ADB527580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:35:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6346A7580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:35:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c4b5a5a_aa9d_11d8_8ae1_00304828b574_26767; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:35:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B27A3447FA for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:35:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b960bc8_aa9d_11d8_9d0b_00304828b574_26764; Fri, 21 May 2004 05:35:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B0671A120 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:35:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD85219EBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19009-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFD4719C7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] The best Software offer around 3556 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 16:35:32 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>>The man who has ceased to fear has ceased to care. > >is THAT the strange man who needs no introduction? >the Man in Black? no, that was a boy named sue. From robpike@gmail.com Fri May 21 22:45:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5446a880_aae4_11d8_9cc7_00304828b574_21167; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5789C344BFE for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:22:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8435600e_aa71_11d8_9db8_00304828b574_9935; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:22:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 393E67580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:22:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1C877580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:22:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83f3359e_aa71_11d8_84fe_00304828b574_9932; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:22:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C69344BFE for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:22:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 833d437e_aa71_11d8_8af3_00304828b574_9929; Fri, 21 May 2004 00:22:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2C7219FEE for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:22:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62F2519C25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11480-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 68CF719C0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so114413rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.119.38 with SMTP id r38mr70968cwc; Thu, 20 May 2004 08:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904052008222b1ec778@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 08:22:07 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[9fans]_first_capital_letter_i?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?n_function_names_at_man_pages_=BFwhy=3F?= In-Reply-To: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Let me put it to you this way: the first letter of a sentence is capitalized. As Doug said when we talked about this, 'the' isn't capitalized either, but we capitalize it at the beginning of a sentence to aid the reader. If you dislike the convention, avoid putting functions at the beginning of a sentence. -rob From maht0x0r@xsmail.com Fri May 21 22:45:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54eb0d9e_aae4_11d8_8638_00304828b574_21184; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5850E3451B1 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:00:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c1dd23e_aa7f_11d8_83a9_00304828b574_29625; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:00:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3ACC37580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:00:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BA77580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:00:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3bdc3de2_aa7f_11d8_9d06_00304828b574_29622; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:00:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A9E3451B1 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:00:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b2477b6_aa7f_11d8_82eb_00304828b574_29619; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:00:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEB8019FF9 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:00:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9727419C7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22300-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DFAE19C8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server1.messagingengine.com (server1.internal [10.202.2.132]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2481BADF8D; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by server1.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id A80823B871; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.3 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "matt lawless" To: "Alberto Cortes" , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:57:42 +0100 X-Sasl-Enc: 8ojw1VeJiAjKdBQoJDJm2Q 1085072262 Message-Id: <1085072262.9351.196851968@webmail.messagingengine.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter infuncti=?ISO-8859-1?Q?on=20names=20at=20man=20pages=20=BFwhy?=? 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Thread-Index: AcQ+RDipbc7zZ63VQN++A2btKstaBQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Re: text search in PDF? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Funny how things come full-circle. We used to need preview images > attached to Encapsulated PostScript files because on-screen rendering > was too slow. Now it seems we need "plain-text thumbnails" embedded > in PDF files to facilitate searches, braille or spoken output, etc. what about if PS/PDF treated SPC as non-printable char? ++pac From boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee Fri May 21 22:45:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 559aa7c2_aae4_11d8_9014_00304828b574_21201; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0F3D345C02 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab934bdc_aa23_11d8_81a5_00304828b574_29118; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 84EB47580FB; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2774C7580FA for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab473fc6_aa23_11d8_8219_00304828b574_29115; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB366345C04 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa57c996_aa23_11d8_9ee0_00304828b574_29095; Thu, 20 May 2004 15:05:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F3DA1A14D for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:05:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43AEA19E97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00094-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.starman.ee (mx1.starman.ee [62.65.192.16]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A83E319C8E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 02:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id E094C193EE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:04:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from ajukaja (ip156.cab5.lsn.starman.ee [82.131.5.156]) by mx1.starman.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00FE193EE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 09:04:46 +0300 (EEST) From: Boris Maryshev Organization: The Estonian IT College To: Plan 9 from Bell Labs fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:04:45 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200405200904.45362.boris.maroshev@itcollege.ee> X-Virus-Scanned: by Amavisd-New at mx1.starman.ee X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan 9 Installfest at The Estonian IT College X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi all! Just wanted to let you know that sometime in June we will be doing Plan 9 Installfest at The Estonian IT College. 12th and 26th of June are possible dates, we'll discuss which is better and announce that. Me and other guy from college named Margus Ernits were planning Plan 9 installation for something like year and a half, but as we have other projects on schedule (both of us are in ITC's robotics club) too we weren't very successful. This year we started to organize installfests at the same venue and those were fun, but having Linux installfest makes you busy all the time, because all those Linux newbies require attention and care and there are so many of them :) So basically having whole Plan 9 Installfest on it's own seems like a good idea. Okay, my own experience with Plan 9 is limited to running it inside VMWare, so problems will occur :) Having you guys on #plan9@FreeNode will be a great bonus. Or maybe videoconferencing someone? :) And actually, Estonia isn't so far away (yeah, we're EU too now), direct flights from London and Paris, not to mention Scandinavia... You're welcome! And I've seen estonians here too, Tere! Anyway, I'll keep you informed on this topic. We'll make site or something, URL is http://installfest.unix.ee/ Previsious events' photos: http://kivisaar.com/pictures.php?GroupID=20 http://dharik.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=if http://www.zone.ee/installfest/?id=0&thumbs=15 Peace, Boris -- Knocked, you weren't in. -- Opportunity From russcox@gmail.com Fri May 21 22:45:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 55fe831e_aae4_11d8_8fbe_00304828b574_21209; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A664434523B for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:10:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f303399a_aa88_11d8_9baa_00304828b574_26849; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:10:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 891627580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:10:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD597580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:10:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2c31108_aa88_11d8_939a_00304828b574_26846; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:10:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448AA34523B for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:10:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f20bc93a_aa88_11d8_8596_00304828b574_26843; Fri, 21 May 2004 03:10:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCFEB1A102 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:10:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15D2D1A02E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19931-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DE3EB1A02D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so92606cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.15 with SMTP id v15mr141643cwb; Thu, 20 May 2004 11:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 14:09:56 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[9fans]_first_capital_letter_i?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?nfunction_names_at_man_pages_=BFwhy=3F?= In-Reply-To: <04e401c43e94$151e84a0$4f7e7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040520145925.GA2276@shire> <04e401c43e94$151e84a0$4f7e7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > C != english i'm sure glad man pages aren't written in c. From rminnich@lanl.gov Fri May 21 22:45:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:04:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 55d9210a_aae4_11d8_9e21_00304828b574_21206; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:04:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9E7344172 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bda6535e_aa79_11d8_9756_00304828b574_31463; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E25FD758105; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C452E75810F for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b42c6160_aa79_11d8_9bf0_00304828b574_31086; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:21:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5090A344165 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:16:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0fd8969c_aa79_11d8_8619_00304828b574_25733; Fri, 21 May 2004 01:16:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BB9A1A033 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94E2519CBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16811-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54DBA19C53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 12:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4KGGCYI006023 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:16:12 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4KGGCAe018708 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:16:12 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i4KGGCwO013775 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 10:16:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:16:11 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fs tester? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 20 May 2004 rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > fsx? it is a file system exerciser developed by NeXT. Apple released it a few years ago. When run on many nfs servers out there, it blew up the server or the client or both -- even nfs systems that had a pretty good reputation such as the FreeBSD one. It found errors in v9fs that I had not stumbled across in several years of testing and use. ron From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri May 21 22:45:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:20:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91733bea_aae6_11d8_81eb_00304828b574_1847; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B4F344953 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 11639bcc_aacb_11d8_9f49_00304828b574_21983; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4CE8C7580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF837580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 11299832_aacb_11d8_96ff_00304828b574_21980; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02314344953 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 106937e0_aacb_11d8_9bb2_00304828b574_21970; Fri, 21 May 2004 11:03:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80C381A119 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:03:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8708D1A0D0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18396-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 029451A0C9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 22:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <89d675234f956cbd34aa0cee42e43be7@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:04:27 +0900 In-Reply-To: <0aac1c0acb0351757e356c86b9c4f8d6@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I couldn't stop to shutup my mouth, sorry. s/sutup/open/ =E2=98=BA Anyway, I'm trying to switch the file server from plan9.ini file of a terminal. When I change ip/ipconfig line by adding bootargs like bootargs=3Dtcp -g ether /net/ether0 255.255.255.0 0 , I can switch the file server successfully. However, I want to do it just adding a line of fs=3D. I'm using DHCP, and have a line of ip/ipconfig as if(! test -e /net/ipifc/0/ctl) ip/ipconfig >/dev/null >[2=3D1]. I don't want to have if(~ $sysname 'abcdefg') in termrc file... Why ading the fs=3D line doesn't work? Kenji From martin_ml@parvat.com Fri May 21 22:45:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:20:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 919a518a_aae6_11d8_9c7b_00304828b574_1853; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C563446BB for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1af29b22_aa1a_11d8_8192_00304828b574_30081; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 67CF87580FA; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5217580F9 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ab27a24_aa1a_11d8_887a_00304828b574_30078; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222403446BB for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19fab9ac_aa1a_11d8_8019_00304828b574_30075; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:56:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E54571A0CD for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:56:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6259719E3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25068-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.173]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15E7619F71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 00:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BQfbX-0002Th-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:56:27 +0200 Received: from [203.101.48.44] (helo=agni) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BQfbV-000580-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 20 May 2004 06:56:26 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 10:25:59 +0530 From: Martin C.Atkins To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9conlon Message-Id: <20040520102559.0e859250.martin_ml@parvat.com> In-Reply-To: <40AB701B.6050203@anvil.com> References: <40AA338D.40207@anvil.com> <20040518173929.GB12546@shire> <40AAA11F.5060005@anvil.com> <40AB701B.6050203@anvil.com> Organization: Parvat Infotech (Private) Limited X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:36ac05c78f2d71fdd8502b36d47d3e88 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:32:59 +0100 Dave Lukes wrote: >.. > Maybe next year, Martin?:-) Let's hope so! It looks like a good time was had by all... Martin -- Martin C. Atkins martin_ml@parvat.com Parvat Infotech Private Limited http://www.parvat.com{/,/martin} From rog@vitanuova.com Fri May 21 22:46:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:20:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93cf1bc0_aae6_11d8_9a30_00304828b574_1914; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13F934470A for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d80a938_aa83_11d8_929e_00304828b574_20592; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 904C57580FF; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:28:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49EFC7580FC for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d1822f0_aa83_11d8_81cf_00304828b574_20587; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7DE34470A for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:25:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bd51fc60_aa82_11d8_8de2_00304828b574_17509; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:25:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E1E21A0ED for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:25:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93A7319F0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27566-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23DF919C91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: alcortes@coitt.es, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:31:36 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <20040520172026.GB3173@shire> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i will modify the Look command to be case-insensitive on the first > letter of the word, and use it just for fun during a test period. while you're about it, i've thought for a while it'd be nice to have a "Lookw" command to look for whole words only, so I can easily search for single-letter variable names in my programs... the only current alternative as far as i can see is something like: :/(^|[^\\0-9a-zA-Z_])e($|[^0-9a-zA-Z_]) to search for "e", which is a bit like hard work. 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Message-ID: <20040520174334.GA3562@shire> References: <20040520172026.GB3173@shire> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18 i686 X-Editor: GNU Emacs 21.2.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alberto Cortes , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 20 May 2004 18:31:36 +0000, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > while you're about it, i've thought for a while it'd be nice to have a > "Lookw" command to look for whole words only, so I can easily search > for single-letter variable names in my programs... That would be nice, sure i can make a new command for "meaning-search" too, but i am more interested in how to integrate it with the "right button click" interface. Maybe: 1 right button click: meaning-search 2 quick right button clicks: Look 3 very quick right button clicks: Lookw it is homogeneous, you express your required precision, with the harsh you show on the care of the mouse, quite human thinking. -- url: http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html From bwc@coraid.com Fri May 21 22:46:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:20:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95eb423a_aae6_11d8_940e_00304828b574_1959; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A5434535F for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c4a70ac_aab7_11d8_808a_00304828b574_23515; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1373D7580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09AA7580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c12050a_aab7_11d8_8bee_00304828b574_23512; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F3934535F for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b5d001a_aab7_11d8_8b43_00304828b574_23509; Fri, 21 May 2004 08:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F0C4C1A0C5 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74AD81A031 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03726-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edsac.borf.com (unknown [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5ECC1A062 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19f1a699d5529a3c6c982ea869266b48@borf.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? From: Brantley Coile Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:34:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <051301c43e95$4c5fea20$4f7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > if you want windows style searches you know where to find them. Off topic. Dennis is quoted as saying `if you want PL/I you know where to find it,' when someone asked for a questionable feature. Does anyone know what that feature was? Brantley From robpike@gmail.com Fri May 21 22:46:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:20:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 95f9c10c_aae6_11d8_8e92_00304828b574_1961; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248D6344D9A for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 341176f2_aac2_11d8_8b13_00304828b574_27523; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 02EC77580F9; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2E4C7580FA for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33cae70a_aac2_11d8_997c_00304828b574_27486; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89120344D9F for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32ee704a_aac2_11d8_89d0_00304828b574_27399; Fri, 21 May 2004 10:00:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D5D01A0A5 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 21:00:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C958119C89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12447-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AE18119B39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 20:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so121611rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.12 with SMTP id p12mr77607cwc; Thu, 20 May 2004 17:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f0490405201759c4e4536@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 17:59:42 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? In-Reply-To: <64ed6a29a40d6bd5d271a31085841854@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <64ed6a29a40d6bd5d271a31085841854@plan9.bell-labs.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu when ken and i described the new features we were proposing for plan 9 C, including inherited structure elements, to bjarne stroustrup, he said, "if you want C++ you know where to find it." and stormed from the room. i don't think he understood exactly why we were proposing these features. -rob From nemo@lsub.org Fri May 21 22:46:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:20:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 96c5f7cc_aae6_11d8_8872_00304828b574_1984; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759AA3447F2 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:50:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3853aa96_aa86_11d8_89fa_00304828b574_10849; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:50:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 58E437580FA; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:50:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F2D7580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:50:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3819c0a6_aa86_11d8_9c1c_00304828b574_10846; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:50:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213ED3447F2 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:50:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37649906_aa86_11d8_9364_00304828b574_10843; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:50:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 492DA19F9D for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:50:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96D1319F1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17519-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD64819EE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <81c71d8ebc3023abeeb3c830279e5bb3@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: alcortes@coitt.es, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? From: Fco.J.Ballesteros Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:50:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20040520174334.GA3562@shire> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > 1 right button click: meaning-search > 2 quick right button clicks: Look > 3 very quick right button clicks: Lookw > > it is homogeneous, you express your required precision, with the > harsh you show on the care of the mouse, quite human thinking. That would stress me a lot. Let's don't overload things a lot. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri May 21 22:46:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:20:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 96c41b50_aae6_11d8_80d2_00304828b574_1985; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B6734473B for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:47:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bbc03cce_aa85_11d8_8f51_00304828b574_8432; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:47:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 553AB7580FB; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:47:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3637580F9 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:47:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb7f8d5a_aa85_11d8_89ab_00304828b574_8429; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:47:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1471D34473B for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:47:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bac9ce84_aa85_11d8_85ba_00304828b574_8426; Fri, 21 May 2004 02:47:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 054B519FE5 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:47:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8C7419ED6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00726-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0481519D46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 13:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4901f61828859201d2e90df17eba5ab4@vitanuova.com> To: alcortes@coitt.es, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] first capital letter in function names at man pages, why? Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:53:01 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <20040520174334.GA3562@shire> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > 1 right button click: meaning-search > 2 quick right button clicks: Look > 3 very quick right button clicks: Lookw time delays are not the way forward. they mean you can't get faster as you get more familiar with the interface. i wouldn't change the meaning of a right-button click - it's already overloaded enough. just a new verb would be fine. that way it's only there if you want it there. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri May 21 22:46:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri May 21 14:53:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3fb9a5d2_aaeb_11d8_91ac_00304828b574_1385; Fri, 21 May 2004 14:53:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ED234420A for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:12:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id abf50294_aad4_11d8_91ca_00304828b574_20886; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:12:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EE0C5758106; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:12:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314737580FD for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:12:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3999a7e_aad4_11d8_85ca_00304828b574_20332; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:12:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1B7344379 for ; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:04:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8334a7ca_aad3_11d8_9105_00304828b574_11038; Fri, 21 May 2004 12:04:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2FD01A0D5 for ; Thu, 20 May 2004 23:04:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5794F19CF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 23:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24446-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 23:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E511719C8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 20 May 2004 23:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8831a329f89d780ce04ff4eb0b957413@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:05:00 +0900 In-Reply-To: <89d675234f956cbd34aa0cee42e43be7@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why ading the > fs= > line doesn't work? I meant isn't it better to overwrite the fs or auth value by plan9.ini file. Kenji