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I would love to be able to use vncs, so that I can access it from other platforms. It seems that in order to use vncs, I need an auth server. I've been trying to enable my terminal to act as an auth server, based on the message thread of a few months ago. However, before I get too deep, can I actually use a single machine as a terminal and a self-serving auth server as well? It's goofy, I know. I got as far as using wrkey, starting the auth service, adding keys to factotum, and using auth/debug to check that I can access myself. :) auth/debug gives: cannot dial auth server: connection refused. Thanks, Frank From ASP.NET@verizon.net Tue Jun 1 22:52:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 17:12:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 704fab18_b3a3_11d8_87e7_00304828b574_4080; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA8A3448E6 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7017fd3a_b3a3_11d8_9f56_00304828b574_4077; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D03C17580FA; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E07E7580F9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6fc78b98_b3a3_11d8_8067_00304828b574_4072; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0243448F0 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f0d48a0_b3a3_11d8_9976_00304828b574_4057; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:12:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B249719E12 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 04:12:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D35F19D88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 04:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05595-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 04:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2F4F19D70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 04:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael.verizon.net ([4.13.20.247]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040601081212.QNEM18566.out011.verizon.net@michael.verizon.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 03:12:12 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040601010513.00b3c870@206.46.170.10> X-Sender: ASP.NET@206.46.170.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:11:53 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Michael Hughes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.13.20.247] at Tue, 1 Jun 2004 03:11:57 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Help getting Plan9 to recognize my mouse X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have the typical Logitech LED Wheel Mouse. I plugged it into the PS2 port with a USB-PS2 adapter. The install process recognized the mouse pointer and I successfully moved it around the screen to make sure it worked. It seems the Plan9 itself doesn't recognize it. Doesn't recognize it directly into the USB nor the PS2. Are there hot keys to switch active windows (so to speak). I see the chart at the top left corner with the LMISCE measures. the glenda icon to its right whith the day, date, time above her and "glenda" below her. a table of sorts with "Mail win Newcol Kill Putall Dump Exit" "New Cut Paste" - New Cut Paste Snarf Sort Zerox Delcol - New Cut Paste Sna /usr/glenda D - readme.acme Del Snarf | Look - /usr/glenda/- Del then a window saying "Rio is the Plan 9 window system." "To read more of htis window, the up and down arrows... and at the very bottom /usr/glenda/ Del Snarf Get | Look - sorry for all that if it's the typical initial Plan9 screen after a first install - Am I out of luck if the mouse isn't recognize ? Any help with the mouse problem would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Michael From brucee@chunder.com Tue Jun 1 22:52:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 18:01:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51aca8da_b3aa_11d8_8743_00304828b574_11296; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:01:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D563455D3 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:01:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51747640_b3aa_11d8_82fa_00304828b574_11293; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:01:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DDB527580FA; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:01:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954477580F9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:01:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 513b4050_b3aa_11d8_854c_00304828b574_11290; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:01:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABFB3455D3 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:01:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50847b68_b3aa_11d8_9745_00304828b574_11287; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:01:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD89A19DA0 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:01:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C4B119CCC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06528-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F2D0919C8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16173 invoked by uid 89); 1 Jun 2004 08:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 1 Jun 2004 08:38:06 -0000 Message-ID: <40BC46BD.5030704@chunder.com> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 19:05:01 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and a single terminal cfg References: <40BBC6F3.10111.4DE808E5@localhost> In-Reply-To: <40BBC6F3.10111.4DE808E5@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu my single "brain dead" plan9 machine is auth/cpu/fs. i access it almost exclusively from drawterm (cause the view is better from the couch). have a look and differing pc* config files and ask me a question if you like. brucee Frank Palazzolo wrote: > Hello, > > I have only one machine to use with plan9 right now, and so I've > configured it as a terminal. I would love to be able to use vncs, so > that I can access it from other platforms. It seems that in order to > use vncs, I need an auth server. I've been trying to enable my > terminal to act as an auth server, based on the message thread of a > few months ago. However, before I get too deep, can I actually use a > single machine as a terminal and a self-serving auth server as well? > It's goofy, I know. > > I got as far as using wrkey, starting the auth service, adding keys > to factotum, and using auth/debug to check that I can access myself. > :) auth/debug gives: cannot dial auth server: connection refused. > > Thanks, > Frank From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jun 1 22:52:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 18:18:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2bd427c_b3ac_11d8_9b6f_00304828b574_28505; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:18:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCCF34464F for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:18:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b286c18e_b3ac_11d8_80b3_00304828b574_28499; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:18:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 096BF758108; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:18:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926ED7580FF for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:18:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id affff1ec_b3ac_11d8_9f86_00304828b574_28468; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:18:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733AD344840 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cde3b726_b3ab_11d8_8a1b_00304828b574_21828; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 18:12:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B181319DBA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:12:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C2DF19CD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06528-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9755D19C03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 05:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9e495637d5eb379566145c417450d082@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and a single terminal cfg From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:11:31 +0900 In-Reply-To: <40BC46BD.5030704@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > my single "brain dead" plan9 machine is auth/cpu/fs. > i access it almost exclusively from drawterm (cause I wonder why he wants to use vncs instead of drawterm... Kenji From lucio@proxima.alt.za Tue Jun 1 22:52:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 20:10:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44a618da_b3bc_11d8_9263_00304828b574_30245; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:10:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129B4345258 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:10:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 446e29b6_b3bc_11d8_8dcd_00304828b574_30242; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:10:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F34EF7580FA; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:10:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD457580F9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:10:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4434c266_b3bc_11d8_8d75_00304828b574_30239; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:10:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2764345258 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:10:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 43743e24_b3bc_11d8_955c_00304828b574_30236; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 20:10:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2F5E19DBB for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:10:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C579E19C9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20423-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B7CA19B92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i51B9b04022333 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:09:40 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <63d62d646baf00797ff183f727324b8d@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:09:08 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] GNU Make X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have compiled mkfile and config.h to produce a seemingly working copy of GNU Make 3.80 under APE. One small adjustment to main.c allows #including which is necessary for successful compilation. As there is a make-3.79 directory in /sys/src/ape/cmd that is currently underpopulated, I would suggest using the 3.80 version to fill the gap. In order not to lose the V10 make currently used by APE, I would suggest targetting (as I did) /$objtype/bin/ape/gmake and /sys/src/ape/cmd/gmake for 3.80. Also, I have deployed the /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/plan9/wait.c that correctly handles PIDs off a linked list (as correctly as I have been able to test) and gmake seems to exercise it a little, giving me a little more confidence that the new wait.c is no worse than the version it replaces. Anyone interested, please contact me. ++L From salomo3@cooper.edu Tue Jun 1 22:52:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 21:13:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 088704a0_b3c5_11d8_818f_00304828b574_21357; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:13:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2282344171 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:13:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 084caa4e_b3c5_11d8_9b50_00304828b574_21353; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:13:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 930277580FA; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:13:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312AD7580F9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:13:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 08032086_b3c5_11d8_8ead_00304828b574_21275; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:13:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7013344171 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:13:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 070a479a_b3c5_11d8_8a8f_00304828b574_21187; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 21:13:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D2DF719D1F for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:13:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09AA319AFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06138-03-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 90F8819B8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id A7EDB3938; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 2ECE93937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user-uive8e2.dsl.mindspring.com ([165.247.33.194]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3129.165.247.33.194.1086091101.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040601010513.00b3c870@206.46.170.10> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040601010513.00b3c870@206.46.170.10> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] Help getting Plan9 to recognize my mouse From: "Joel Salomon" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome, Michael! Michael Hughes said: > I have the typical Logitech LED Wheel Mouse. I plugged it into the PS2 > port with a USB-PS2 adapter. > Do you have a usb port on your computer, or must you plug the mouse in vi= a the adaptor? > The install process recognized the mouse pointer > and I successfully moved it around the screen to make sure it worked. > > It seems the Plan9 itself doesn't recognize it. > Doesn't recognize it directly into the USB nor the PS2. > Likely plan9.ini isn't set right (if the mouse is plugged into the ps2 port) or the mouse is plugged into the usb port. I don't remember the correct syntax for plan9.ini, but it's something like mouse=3Dps2 - someb= ody correct me, please. If the mouse is attached via usb, try running usb/usbd followed by usb/usbmouse at the command line (should be the active window at boot time). Then you'll want to put those lines in termrc (where is that any way?) > Are there hot keys to switch active windows (so to speak). > No. > the glenda icon to its right whith the day, date, time above her > and "glenda" below her. > That's the faces program > a table of sorts with > > "Mail win Newcol Kill Putall Dump Exit" > "New Cut Paste" - New Cut Paste Snarf Sort Zerox Delcol - New Cut Paste > Sna > /usr/glenda D - readme.acme Del Snarf | Look - /usr/glenda/- Del > acme. > then > > a window saying > > "Rio is the Plan 9 window system." > "To read more of htis window, the up and down arrows... > That is a shell window - scroll down, and you can run usb/usbd, etc. at the prompt. This is the default start-up screen layout. 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For example, try running "echo $mouseport" and make sure it says ps2. If it does not, you need to edit your plan9.ini to add that. 9fat: echo 'mouseport=ps2' >>/n/9fat/plan9.ini is probably sufficient. Russ From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 1 22:52:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 22:35:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93aa3fec_b3d0_11d8_9a2b_00304828b574_29105; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80075344363 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 936a231c_b3d0_11d8_9d93_00304828b574_29099; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 54DCE758101; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:35:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B257580F9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:35:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87129770_b3d0_11d8_9daa_00304828b574_28917; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:35:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CA134439A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:31:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05d89cae_b3d0_11d8_834a_00304828b574_24466; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:31:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6586C19DCD for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:31:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A863319C20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06861-02-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6E488199DB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so76992cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.38 with SMTP id x38mr141489cwb; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:31:26 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and a single terminal cfg In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40BBC6F3.10111.4DE808E5@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > You need to edit your /lib/ndb/local to fix this. > There needs to be an entry for your system > or network with an auth= line pointing at yourself. Actually, I think I lied. You need a line like auth=your.server authdom=your.authdom.name in a clause by itself. That should be sufficient. Russ From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 1 22:52:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 22:35:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93aa98f2_b3d0_11d8_8cf5_00304828b574_29106; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBBD3443EA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9372b3ec_b3d0_11d8_8141_00304828b574_29100; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DA769758107; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:35:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A74475810F for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:35:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8603be5e_b3d0_11d8_9ee4_00304828b574_28899; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:35:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D743449FD for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:30:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8992618_b3cf_11d8_8ff8_00304828b574_23405; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:30:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5408819D23 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D998199DB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15908-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.243]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 48EB219BFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so76884cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.25 with SMTP id x25mr462090cwb; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 06:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:30:37 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] vncs and a single terminal cfg In-Reply-To: <40BBC6F3.10111.4DE808E5@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40BBC6F3.10111.4DE808E5@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I got as far as using wrkey, starting the auth service, adding keys > to factotum, and using auth/debug to check that I can access myself. > :) auth/debug gives: cannot dial auth server: connection refused. You need to edit your /lib/ndb/local to fix this. There needs to be an entry for your system or network with an auth= line pointing at yourself. Russ From bwc@coraid.com Wed Jun 2 19:15:29 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 23:13:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5386a9c_b3d5_11d8_8193_00304828b574_28648; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:13:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B2B344FFC for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:13:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d50687d4_b3d5_11d8_8db6_00304828b574_28645; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:13:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EF9B67580FA; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:13:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976E87580F9 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4bfad78_b3d5_11d8_90e3_00304828b574_28642; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EAC4344FFC for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:13:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3e1f122_b3d5_11d8_87c0_00304828b574_28633; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:13:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFF3219D0C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:13:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD26219CE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16320-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edsac.borf.com (unknown [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2449819B13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4394d1765d78b94f53fa5034ccb289de@borf.com> From: Brantley Coile Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:08:20 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ndb reverse lookup X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Why can't is do this? baron% ndb/dnsquery > 205.185.197.119 ptr !dns: dns failure > When I use debug I get... baron% ndb/dnsdebug @edsac 205.185.197.119.ptr 1.1: sending to 205.185.197.119/edsac 205.185.197.119.ptr ip 1: rcvd OK from 205.185.197.119 ( can_recurse) Q: 205.185.197.119.ptr ip Auth: 0 sec ns A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 0 sec ns M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET Hint: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 198.41.0.4 B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 192.228.79.201 C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 192.33.4.12 D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 128.8.10.90 E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 192.203.230.10 F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 192.5.5.241 G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 192.112.36.4 H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 128.63.2.53 I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 192.36.148.17 J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 192.58.128.30 K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 193.0.14.129 L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 198.32.64.12 M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 5 day 14 hr 48 ip 202.12.27.33 1.2: sending to 198.41.0.4/A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 205.185.197.119.ptr ip 1: rcvd Nonexistent from 198.41.0.4 (authoritative recurse nx) Q: 205.185.197.119.ptr ip Auth: 1 day soa A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET NSTLD.VERISIGN-GRS.COM 2004053101 1800 900 604800 86400 ---------------------------- answer 205.185.197.119.ptr 1 day ip negative rcode 3 ---------------------------- baron% Any ideas? Brantley From forsyth@vitanuova.com Wed Jun 2 19:15:29 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 1 23:20:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1c46ad6_b3d6_11d8_8203_00304828b574_2105; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:20:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24C8345039 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:20:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d193b332_b3d6_11d8_8257_00304828b574_2099; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 23:20:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A38547580FB; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:20:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5554D7580FA for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:20:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d14f9eae_b3d6_11d8_8bdc_00304828b574_2094; 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Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ed1feb624a20a068ff048ececb23475@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ndb reverse lookup From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:25:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4394d1765d78b94f53fa5034ccb289de@borf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu assuming you're not looking for yet another new DNS type that i didn't know about, the request baron% ndb/dnsquery > 205.185.197.119 ptr isn't quite what you want if you're doing a reverse lookup. ndb/dnsquery automatically converts an IP address to reverse-lookup form if a dns type is not given, but you've given a type `ptr' so it doesn't do the transformation. reverse lookup requires a special form of `name' in the domain in-addr.arpa that is ndb/dnsquery 205.185.197.119 will automatically generate a search for 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr which is what the DNS requires. similarly ndb/dnsdebug 205.185.197.119 will look for 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr automatically 1.1: sending to 128.8.10.90/d.root-servers.net 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd OK from 128.8.10.90 ( recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr Auth: 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns chia.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns dill.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns henna.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns indigo.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns epazote.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns figwort.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns ginseng.ARIN.NET 1.4: sending to 128.8.10.90/d.root-servers.net chia.arin.net ip 1: rcvd OK from 128.8.10.90 ( recurse) Q: chia.arin.net ip Auth: net 2 day ns A.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns B.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns C.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns D.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns E.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns F.GTLD-SERVERS.net ... and so on for far too long From wildfire@emgee.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 2 19:15:29 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Friday June 26 and/or Saturday the 27th would be best for me. "Free beer" as in "free beer." Harpoon or Smuttynose IPA. Maybe even free burgers. A designated outside area will be available for smokers and consumers of light beer. Also free: a presentation of the Quiet Enjoyment Infrastructure, of which Plan 9 / Inferno should be a part. (See slides at NIST site / PKI Technical Working Group / November meeting) Anyone likely to attend? >A raiding party can rush off to NJ and form a circle of wagons >around jmk at the same time. > >>I have a reasonable sized house near Boston (about 10 miles west off >>route 117 in Weston). > >Cool. > >>Wife will be curious what exactly "it" is. > >Tell her you don't know what "it" is either, >but that "they" promise not to shit on the carpet too much. It's OK, we have a dog. Scooper available. 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Also free: a presentation of the Quiet Enjoyment Infrastructure, of which > Plan 9 / Inferno should be a part. > (See slides at NIST site / PKI Technical Working Group / November meeting) for those that might have been interested, but couldn't be bothered to look for it, this is at: http://csrc.nist.gov/pki/twg/y2003/presentations/twg-03-17.pdf my immediate reaction to this (though i don't know much about these things): is a universal PKI actually necessary or desirable? 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From wes@village.com Wed Jun 2 19:15:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 02:43:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a6cbdba_b3f3_11d8_9bf1_00304828b574_20264; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472D1344214 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a39705e_b3f3_11d8_8ea9_00304828b574_20261; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 306987580F9; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5DC7580FA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39f89e3a_b3f3_11d8_87b5_00304828b574_20249; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37CD3443EF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:43:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 393715ee_b3f3_11d8_9879_00304828b574_20232; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 02:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BE0D19E82 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:43:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAB5719A31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11240-01-89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.abyx.com (s85f45n6e.servers.accentric.net [209.132.69.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 395CF19A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WK-HP-Pavilion.village.com (h004005bd31cc.ne.client2.attbi.com [65.96.215.98]) (authenticated) by www.abyx.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id i51HuAu06213 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:56:10 -0400 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20040601132832.028f6368@mail.village.com> X-Sender: wes@mail.village.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:42:49 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Wes Kussmaul Subject: Re: [9fans] 9conlon In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.0.6.2.20040601111211.028f22f0@mail.village.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu At 12:35 PM 6/1/2004, you wrote: > > Also free: a presentation of the Quiet Enjoyment Infrastructure, of which > > Plan 9 / Inferno should be a part. > > (See slides at NIST site / PKI Technical Working Group / November meeting) > >for those that might have been interested, but couldn't be >bothered to look for it, this is at: > > http://csrc.nist.gov/pki/twg/y2003/presentations/twg-03-17.pdf Sorry, I confused this with another list that for some reason squelches links. >my immediate reaction to this (though i don't know much >about these things): is a universal PKI actually necessary or desirable? I believe (obviously) that a properly designed and implemented universal PKI is necessary and desirable. I hasten to add (because one gets eaten alive if one does not) that a universal PKI or ID-PKI must be accompanied by a very strong privacy protection mechanism. I believe the privacy protection mechanism that is part of the Quiet Enjoyment Infrastructure will actually make it possible to do what P3P et al attempt to do, that is, put us in strong control of our own personally identifiable information. Anyway, for the full spiel, come see the show! There might even be some copies of the book for door prizes! [Book? What book?] _Quiet Enjoyment_, due off the presses around mid-month. From bwc@coraid.com Wed Jun 2 19:15:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 03:23:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3416532_b3f8_11d8_864a_00304828b574_19735; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:23:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046B1345876 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:23:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c2dfe460_b3f8_11d8_8961_00304828b574_19732; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:23:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3EE87580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:23:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5416C7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:23:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c27921bc_b3f8_11d8_9a42_00304828b574_19729; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:23:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB902345876 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:23:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c166da6c_b3f8_11d8_8c17_00304828b574_19725; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:23:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E428B19CEB for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3DD019B8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06386-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edsac.borf.com (unknown [209.179.94.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD3B219BE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ndb reverse lookup From: Brantley Coile Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:15:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1ed1feb624a20a068ff048ececb23475@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-oxziomxxxmssengrxtbyqbelxa" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-oxziomxxxmssengrxtbyqbelxa Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do I add to /lib/ndb/local1 to get reverse lookups to work? 205.185.197.119 is a machine in borf.com domain. Which is also the address of the dns server, so edsac has the same IP address. baron% ndb/dnsdebug @edsac 205.185.197.119 1.1: sending to 205.185.197.119/edsac 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1.1: sending to 205.185.197.119/edsac 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd Server failed from 205.185.197.119 (authoritative can_recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr Auth: 197.185.205.in-addr.arpa 23 hr 59 min 55 ns as1.icg.net 197.185.205.in-addr.arpa 23 hr 59 min 55 ns as2.icg.net Hint: as1.icg.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 170.147.45.163 as2.icg.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 170.147.45.164 1.1: sending to 198.41.0.10/J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd OK from 198.41.0.10 ( recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr Auth: arpa 6 day ns A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET arpa 6 day ns D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET Hint: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 198.41.0.4 H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 128.63.2.53 C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 192.33.4.12 G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 192.112.36.4 F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 192.5.5.241 B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 192.228.79.201 K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 193.0.14.129 L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 198.32.64.12 M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 202.12.27.33 I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 192.36.148.17 E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 192.203.230.10 D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 41 day 16 hr ip 128.8.10.90 1.2: sending to 198.41.0.4/A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd OK from 198.41.0.4 ( recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr Auth: 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns chia.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns dill.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns henna.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns indigo.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns epazote.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns figwort.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns ginseng.ARIN.NET 1.5: sending to 205.185.197.119/edsac chia.arin.net ip 1: rcvd OK from 205.185.197.119 ( can_recurse) Q: chia.arin.net ip Ans: chia.arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.5.6.32 Auth: arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns aloe.arin.net arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns b3.nstld.com arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns c3.nstld.com arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns chia.arin.net arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns d3.nstld.com arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns dill.arin.net arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns epazote.arin.net arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns figwort.arin.net Hint: aloe.arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.12.94.32 b3.nstld.com 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.33.14.32 c3.nstld.com 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.26.92.32 chia.arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.5.6.32 d3.nstld.com 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.31.80.32 dill.arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.35.51.32 epazote.arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.41.162.32 figwort.arin.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 192.42.93.32 1.3: sending to 192.5.6.32/chia.arin.net 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd OK from 192.5.6.32 ( recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr Auth: 197.185.205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns as1.icg.net 197.185.205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns as2.icg.net 1.6: sending to 205.185.197.119/edsac as1.icg.net ip 1: rcvd OK from 205.185.197.119 ( can_recurse) Q: as1.icg.net ip Ans: as1.icg.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 170.147.45.163 Auth: icg.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns as1.icg.net icg.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ns as2.icg.net Hint: as1.icg.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 170.147.45.163 as2.icg.net 1 day 23 hr 59 ip 170.147.45.164 1.4: sending to 170.147.45.163/as1.icg.net 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd Server failed from 170.147.45.163 ( recurse can_recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1.4: sending to 170.147.45.164/as2.icg.net 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd Server failed from 170.147.45.164 ( recurse can_recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr baron% --upas-oxziomxxxmssengrxtbyqbelxa Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 035E319D8E for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:20:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6400219D56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20096-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A7B319D0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ed1feb624a20a068ff048ececb23475@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ndb reverse lookup From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:25:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4394d1765d78b94f53fa5034ccb289de@borf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+bwc=borf.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+bwc=borf.com@cse.psu.edu assuming you're not looking for yet another new DNS type that i didn't know about, the request baron% ndb/dnsquery > 205.185.197.119 ptr isn't quite what you want if you're doing a reverse lookup. ndb/dnsquery automatically converts an IP address to reverse-lookup form if a dns type is not given, but you've given a type `ptr' so it doesn't do the transformation. reverse lookup requires a special form of `name' in the domain in-addr.arpa that is ndb/dnsquery 205.185.197.119 will automatically generate a search for 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr which is what the DNS requires. similarly ndb/dnsdebug 205.185.197.119 will look for 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr automatically 1.1: sending to 128.8.10.90/d.root-servers.net 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr 1: rcvd OK from 128.8.10.90 ( recurse) Q: 119.197.185.205.in-addr.arpa ptr Auth: 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns chia.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns dill.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns henna.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns indigo.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns epazote.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns figwort.ARIN.NET 205.in-addr.arpa 1 day ns ginseng.ARIN.NET 1.4: sending to 128.8.10.90/d.root-servers.net chia.arin.net ip 1: rcvd OK from 128.8.10.90 ( recurse) Q: chia.arin.net ip Auth: net 2 day ns A.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns B.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns C.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns D.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns E.GTLD-SERVERS.net net 2 day ns F.GTLD-SERVERS.net ... and so on for far too long --upas-oxziomxxxmssengrxtbyqbelxa-- From ervin.kblount_ke@pietje.tmfweb.nl Wed Jun 2 19:15:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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I am wondering if you couldn't build gcc 0.1 or whatever, and once that was working, iterate up to later versions by building on the first version. My memory from 0.1 was that it was pretty portable. ron From forsyth@terzarima.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 06:13:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7cb45cc4_b410_11d8_8f84_00304828b574_2703; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:13:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5695345501 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c808048_b410_11d8_8655_00304828b574_2666; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B7D4A7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:13:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8BF7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c401634_b410_11d8_80c7_00304828b574_2660; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FE2345501 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:13:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b87f806_b410_11d8_9aca_00304828b574_2562; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:13:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C23B19E1A for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:13:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C0D719C70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24912-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8CAB19C48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6346c4323234d5abb5360a4c116c8670@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] 9conlon From: Charles Forsyth Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:09:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20040601111211.028f22f0@mail.village.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu it's a good question how long PKI can last now ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3754887.stm i wonder if it comes in kit form? From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 06:14:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e2a104c_b410_11d8_9706_00304828b574_3250; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:14:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE96345501 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9df08818_b410_11d8_8a41_00304828b574_3220; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DA1687580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:14:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663A27580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d9bd20a_b410_11d8_8a32_00304828b574_3183; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617CA345504 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:14:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9cde7bc4_b410_11d8_9d70_00304828b574_3101; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:14:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A05719DCE for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:14:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E4E319D2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19340-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA4C119D0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9C51467370 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:13:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <023801c4481c$c3575060$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:09:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I am wondering if you couldn't build gcc 0.1 or whatever, and once that > was working, iterate up ... yeah, i was thinking of stepwise iteration. From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 06:39:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3668c620_b414_11d8_8281_00304828b574_29209; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:39:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D5934421A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:39:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36362c92_b414_11d8_84b7_00304828b574_29206; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:39:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C5BE77580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:39:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE6A7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:39:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 35f47612_b414_11d8_897f_00304828b574_29203; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:39:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F68034421A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:39:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 353cf186_b414_11d8_8376_00304828b574_29200; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:39:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FEA019DD4 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:39:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F416219D43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17867-02-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D484519D2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 692BF379F3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:39:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <024801c44820$5adad260$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6346c4323234d5abb5360a4c116c8670@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9conlon Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:35:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > it's a good question how long PKI can last now ... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3754887.stm > > i wonder if it comes in kit form? ENIGMA does. 99 GBP. From russcox@gmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:15:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 06:43:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9fc47b8_b414_11d8_8995_00304828b574_32250; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:43:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822F13442D4 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:43:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9caef92_b414_11d8_96a1_00304828b574_32247; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:43:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 64D6A7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:43:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197757580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:43:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9896054_b414_11d8_89c9_00304828b574_32244; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:43:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AF83442D4 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:43:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8d3c10e_b414_11d8_8b8e_00304828b574_32241; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:43:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D53619DC0 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:43:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23BAC19D4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01068-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DDD7019D2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so95351cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.26 with SMTP id v26mr477818cwb; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:43:35 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I am wondering if you couldn't build gcc 0.1 or whatever, and once that > was working, iterate up to later versions by building on the first > version. My memory from 0.1 was that it was pretty portable. why bother? gcc3 is already ported. From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jun 2 19:15:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 06:49:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94f32e50_b415_11d8_83e2_00304828b574_4252; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:49:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB12344B09 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:49:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94c0bb78_b415_11d8_9d02_00304828b574_4249; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:49:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E2FEC7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:49:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA6E7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:49:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94805a56_b415_11d8_86e6_00304828b574_4246; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:49:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0E8344B09 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:49:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93c8c63e_b415_11d8_80f4_00304828b574_4243; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:49:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7A7F19DA3 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:49:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9649F19D56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02119-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4317019D4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i51LnIYI017086 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:49:18 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i51LnHAe005313 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:49:17 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i51LnHwO028679 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:49:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:49:16 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > > I am wondering if you couldn't build gcc 0.1 or whatever, and once that > > was working, iterate up to later versions by building on the first > > version. My memory from 0.1 was that it was pretty portable. > > why bother? gcc3 is already ported. because the last word I had was that it was very painful for the person who did the port, said person is (sadly) no longer with us, and the work could not be repeated by others. The last item is the one of most concern. ron From russcox@gmail.com Wed Jun 2 19:15:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 07:03:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81f3fa12_b417_11d8_8ba7_00304828b574_15120; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:03:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2092934502E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:03:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81bc9428_b417_11d8_9e34_00304828b574_15117; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:03:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0CD8C7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:03:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04E87580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:03:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8187c5cc_b417_11d8_9a72_00304828b574_15113; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:03:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C442C34502E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:03:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80d00fae_b417_11d8_9572_00304828b574_15108; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 07:03:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5930519D74 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:03:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BAB619C1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01068-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.240]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 04DE719BD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u15so109225cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.77 with SMTP id u77mr529185cwc; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 15:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:03:06 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > because the last word I had was that it was very painful for the person > who did the port, said person is (sadly) no longer with us, and the work > could not be repeated by others. The last item is the one of most concern. surely if it were time to repeat the work, starting with gcc3 would be a lot less painful than starting with gcc 0.1. 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From ASP.NET@verizon.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 08:52:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c05b64c0_b426_11d8_92f6_00304828b574_9296; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:52:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B23534598E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:52:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c02852e2_b426_11d8_99ad_00304828b574_9293; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:52:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2C5087580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:52:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74127580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:52:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfe73ce4_b426_11d8_9364_00304828b574_9290; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:52:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4E534598E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:52:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf302d88_b426_11d8_8790_00304828b574_9287; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 08:52:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 961EA19C4C for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C115F19B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07900-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out011.verizon.net (out011pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.135]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 712DB19B23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael.verizon.net ([4.13.20.247]) by out011.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040601235213.ZGHH18566.out011.verizon.net@michael.verizon.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:52:13 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040601165029.00b30c18@206.46.170.10> X-Sender: ASP.NET@206.46.170.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 16:52:18 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Michael Hughes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out011.verizon.net from [4.13.20.247] at Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:52:12 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Problem mounting CDROM drive X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to install inferno on plan9 and need to copy the install files from cdrom to the hard drive. when I try to mount the cdrom drive I receive "permission denied" I tried mount /dev/sdD0 /usr/glenda/cd_path I've tried some other ways but have not had any luck. I don't have permission as glenda to mount the cdrom drive ? Thanks, Michael From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 09:00:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df3f8a5a_b427_11d8_89ff_00304828b574_15818; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:00:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998CF3459AF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:00:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df0c1a6c_b427_11d8_9f73_00304828b574_15815; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:00:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7AA207580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:00:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323157580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:00:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id decb6f1c_b427_11d8_8a6a_00304828b574_15812; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:00:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3707D3459AF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:00:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de1449f4_b427_11d8_8461_00304828b574_15809; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:00:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32EC419D81 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:00:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 691D519BA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15568-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C43119B54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AA6C671A3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 02:00:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <02e501c44833$fe2758e0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20040601165029.00b30c18@206.46.170.10> Subject: Re: [9fans] Problem mounting CDROM drive Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:56:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu are you using kfs? From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 09:19:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 865aa7b4_b42a_11d8_8de8_00304828b574_2029; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:19:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36EC3444CF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:19:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8615d968_b42a_11d8_9112_00304828b574_2026; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:19:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 838A27580F9; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:19:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769F8758106 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:19:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 841203a8_b42a_11d8_8a87_00304828b574_2001; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:19:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BAC344BE1 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:12:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91df992e_b429_11d8_8d58_00304828b574_27002; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:12:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C134219DCC for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:12:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFC4319B7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16894-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [198.144.194.254]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1ADBC19B33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13334822f0271830bcd4d31abfe2a7fc@collyer.net> From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:12:23 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Problem mounting CDROM drive In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20040601165029.00b30c18@206.46.170.10> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu That's not how you mount a CD on Plan 9. Try 9660srv mount /srv/9660 /usr/glenda/cd_path /dev/sdD0/data on the machine with the CD drive and running as the host owner (you on a terminal, bootes on a CPU server). From ASP.NET@verizon.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 09:37:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 089da49a_b42d_11d8_92b2_00304828b574_19100; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:37:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377B4344BD2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:37:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 083e211e_b42d_11d8_8cb3_00304828b574_19097; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:37:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1AC837580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:37:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C525A7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:37:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07fdff8a_b42d_11d8_9d79_00304828b574_19094; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:37:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB804344BD2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0747d94e_b42d_11d8_933a_00304828b574_19089; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:37:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6416619DB1 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:37:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 246DF19C03 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16894-01-54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out010.verizon.net (out010pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.133]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17E4619B85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 20:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from michael.verizon.net ([4.13.20.247]) by out010.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040602003707.MTHQ15848.out010.verizon.net@michael.verizon.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:37:07 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20040601173651.00b1d430@206.46.170.10> X-Sender: ASP.NET@206.46.170.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 17:37:13 -0700 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Michael Hughes Subject: Re: Re: [9fans] Problem mounting CDROM drive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out010.verizon.net from [4.13.20.247] at Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:37:07 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm using fossil. 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So, not only did the English invent public key cryptography, keeping it secret and leaving the Americans to fumble around trying to get it, but it turns out they did the same with programmable computers. I smell a serial patent ambush scheme... From lucio@proxima.alt.za Wed Jun 2 19:15:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 14:36:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5c5abe8_b456_11d8_8557_00304828b574_20329; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:36:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D123451D1 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:36:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c58ffe4e_b456_11d8_866d_00304828b574_20323; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:36:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E90FE7580FC; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:36:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8393C7580FA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:36:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c51fc50c_b456_11d8_8b59_00304828b574_20316; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:36:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFB83451D1 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:36:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4384826_b456_11d8_915b_00304828b574_20313; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:36:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED61A19D25 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:36:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D52419B82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13052-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98FA919B93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i525ZQ04027697 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:35:31 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <0ffa2db088558e493a30ecad96ee426e@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:34:43 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > well with gnu make you can image building gcc. > > I am wondering if you couldn't build gcc 0.1 or whatever, and once that > was working, iterate up to later versions by building on the first > version. My memory from 0.1 was that it was pretty portable. I can only presume that dhog was under pressure to build GCC (how could he not be?) and that it was simpler to bootstrap it using GCC itself. As far as I understand, both GCC and the binutils are fairly portable, there ought to be a way to port GCC using the native compiler in its APE impersonation. Binutils 2.15 have just been released, with a minor glitch I was hoping would be corrected immediately, but not serious enough to interfere with building them under APE. But it will take me some time and effort. Once I have gas and ld, GCC 3.5 ought to be released (if it isn't already) and then whether I use dhog's 3.0 or try to bring the lot under APE will be an informed decision to be made at the time. The crucial thing will be to leave a structure in place so that the porting efforts are not lost. As an aside, dhog seemingly needed m4 as well as gmake, I have made both of these APE-compliant. Whether we now place them in /sys/src/ape/cmd or the main /sys/src/cmd (as was done with CVS) depends on the wishes of the authorities. Frankly, my opinion is that they ought to be in an area of their own so that new releases can more easily be tracked. CVS and ghostscript might need to move there as well. Lastly, APE attempts to compute errno by searching a list of error strings to find a match. Would it be out of the question to enhance all Plan 9 software to use a library of error messages that also includes a numeric code? I appreciate it is a tall order, but even if it needed to be released as 5th Edition I believe it would be a significant improvement. I'm willing to do it, but I'm sure I could use all the advice this list is capable of. ++L From forsyth@terzarima.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 16:40:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e556734_b468_11d8_9102_00304828b574_2394; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:40:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FA43452A7 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:40:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0dfa0f56_b468_11d8_8cb6_00304828b574_2385; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:40:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EDA6D7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:40:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950457580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:40:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0da6d584_b468_11d8_9b0f_00304828b574_2294; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:40:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946FA3452A7 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:39:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0cec2d56_b468_11d8_9cee_00304828b574_2291; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 16:40:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 80D9919DBF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:39:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C73B19B84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23490-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 24AF019AA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 03:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:36:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0ffa2db088558e493a30ecad96ee426e@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>all Plan 9 software to use a library of error messages that also >>includes a numeric code? Numeric codes are a bad idea, that plan 9 was well rid of from unix. they do not scale well in a distributed system with distributed development. even the internet protocols that use them tend to degenerate into `good, bad, ugly' based on the first digit (0, 4, 5 say). it's just one reason that NFS had terrible trouble across systems with different errno values. precise diagnostics ended up being mapped into EIO, which wasn't always the right answer, just because there was no portable way to convert an arbitrary code from one system to an arbitrary code in another. n*m indeed. of course, you could have MegaErrnoInc act as a global registry of mappings, as Sun tried with Sun RPC, but for this application it doesn't work well. some uniformity in the error strings would be desirable, but numeric codes should not be used. From rm@hamnavoe.com Wed Jun 2 19:15:47 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 17:55:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d3386c6_b472_11d8_921a_00304828b574_5716; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:55:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31446345334 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:55:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8cfb3da2_b472_11d8_995f_00304828b574_5707; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:55:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C31D7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:55:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CFB7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:55:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8cc0c9f6_b472_11d8_89b7_00304828b574_5670; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:55:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA883345334 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:55:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c07db1c_b472_11d8_92be_00304828b574_5599; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:55:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E38D19DBB for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:55:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF51E19D4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29267-01-79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FA0719D49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 04:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: Richard Miller Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:54:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: <0ffa2db088558e493a30ecad96ee426e@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Would it be out of the question to enhance > all Plan 9 software to use a library of error messages that also > includes a numeric code? You mean like IEF450I JOBXXX STEPA - ABEND=S0C4 REASON=00000010 Yes, those were the good old days. From john@cs.york.ac.uk Wed Jun 2 19:15:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 18:12:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07f4fda2_b475_11d8_8669_00304828b574_19894; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:12:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2109234538E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:12:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07bb291a_b475_11d8_9150_00304828b574_19889; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:12:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 024B47580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:12:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9938E7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:12:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 076dc13e_b475_11d8_90e9_00304828b574_19886; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:12:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9403834538E for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:12:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 06b03fba_b475_11d8_86f1_00304828b574_19881; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:12:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D954519D75 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:12:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 079DC19D1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29499-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.cs.york.ac.uk (mailgw.cs.york.ac.uk [144.32.40.3]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 597FB19CAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from minster ([144.32.40.2] helo=minster.cs.york.ac.uk) by mailgw.cs.york.ac.uk with esmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.24) id 1BVRj3-0001oM-TK for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:07:57 +0100 Received: from pc118 ([144.32.41.119] helo=pc118.cs.york.ac.uk) by minster.cs.york.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BVRj3-0001JQ-Tk; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:07:57 +0100 Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: John Murdie To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1086167278.1328.5.camel@pc118> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:07:58 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: john@cs.york.ac.uk X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 2004-06-02 at 08:36, Charles Forsyth wrote: > >>all Plan 9 software to use a library of error messages that also > >>includes a numeric code? > > Numeric codes are a bad idea, that plan 9 was well rid of from unix. > they do not scale well in a distributed system with distributed development. > > even the internet protocols that use them tend to degenerate into `good, bad, ugly' > based on the first digit (0, 4, 5 say). > > it's just one reason that NFS had terrible trouble across systems with > different errno values. precise diagnostics ended up being mapped into EIO, > which wasn't always the right answer, just because there was no portable > way to convert an arbitrary code from one system to an arbitrary code in another. > n*m indeed. of course, you could have MegaErrnoInc act as a global > registry of mappings, as Sun tried with Sun RPC, but for this application it doesn't > work well. > > some uniformity in the error strings would be desirable, > but numeric codes should not be used. I, too, dislike numeric error codes, but how do you think multiple natural languages should be accommodated? I've no experience of this with Plan 9. Does it cope well? John A. Murdie Department of Computer Science University of York From lucio@proxima.alt.za Wed Jun 2 19:15:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 18:18:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca9e5a24_b475_11d8_98e6_00304828b574_25016; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:18:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0323453DE for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:18:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca6cf470_b475_11d8_8148_00304828b574_25013; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:18:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9F8787580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:18:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5645F7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:18:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca2c238c_b475_11d8_8864_00304828b574_25010; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:18:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F6C73453DE for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:18:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c96d8d0a_b475_11d8_9862_00304828b574_25006; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:18:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7238119DA2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:18:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9479419CF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29499-02-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6135C19B67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i529Ht04028552 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:17:57 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <1574e990d7d9faea01829e1a5a00e1e4@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:17:26 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > You mean like > IEF450I JOBXXX STEPA - ABEND=S0C4 REASON=00000010 > > Yes, those were the good old days. Computers weren't commodities, then. Was that any worse than a pop-up window that describes everything except what the error is really about and gives no pointers to additional information? At least with the IBM manuals, it was possible to find out where the above originated and to establish an apporximation to the cause. All I'm after is a somewhat less expensive approach to translating an error message to its nearest Unix errno. This is no more demanding than providing for multilanguage error messages, something Plan 9 will no doubt have to do before too long. ++L From forsyth@terzarima.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 18:52:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f9d6c80_b47a_11d8_94db_00304828b574_25165; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:52:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391673441BD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:52:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f666d34_b47a_11d8_902e_00304828b574_25161; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:52:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8EE917580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:52:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1738A7580FB for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:52:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d87823c_b47a_11d8_8630_00304828b574_25134; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:52:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15AE3444E1 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 575f9808_b479_11d8_9132_00304828b574_15094; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:43:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 146EA19CFA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:43:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8AF819CC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05972-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC1FF19B50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:39:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1086167278.1328.5.camel@pc118> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>but how do you think natural languages should be accommodated? that's a reasonable question. as it happens, the %r messages are typically the least of your worries, and indeed if you've got real end-users (ie, non-programmers) are often best regarded as internal error diagnostics for implementors, and left as-is so that those implementor will recognise them. it's hard enough debugging programs as it is, without the Chinese Whispers effect compounded by language changes within. for user interfaces we've found historically that the use of a hashed map string -> string works well (it's rather more than that, because there can be pre- and post-processing, but that gives the idea), and any or all %r messages that need to escape can go through that. that overall approach worked well on a big commercial system that supported all the major Western European languages, including dialects. it was much easier to manage than the contemporary msgcat scheme (i think that was it). you need extra things to do sorting, and comparison, and more; and perhaps most of all you need good translators. the scheme allowed annotations for strings, so that one could distinguish `the times' from `The Times', the latter not to be translated, or depending on context(!) to be translated to some local equivalent (eg, `USA Today'), although as that last example shows it's often quite a loose translation. From forsyth@terzarima.net Wed Jun 2 19:15:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 18:57:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f4fbe16_b47b_11d8_8a55_00304828b574_29765; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBF7344502 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f194dd6_b47b_11d8_9f87_00304828b574_29761; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:57:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BD52E7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B407580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ee06b2e_b47b_11d8_8a1a_00304828b574_29758; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:57:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D95F34458D for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:57:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e2b8bb4_b47b_11d8_8a7f_00304828b574_29750; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:57:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1E0E19DD2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:57:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79BAD19BC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05972-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 33D0D19B28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4f90fbdc3c464f7770a9f580069f16fa@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:54:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1574e990d7d9faea01829e1a5a00e1e4@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>and gives no pointers to additional information? At least with the >>IBM manuals, it was possible to find out where the above originated >>and to establish an apporximation to the cause. Messages and Codes was notoriously unhelpful in many cases. often the diagnosis and suggested resolution was infuriatingly similar to the answer to the joke ``Doctor! It hurts when I do this.''. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 04:43:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 20:16:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b20b04c_b486_11d8_899c_00304828b574_1546; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:16:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410703441AD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:16:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ae5dad0_b486_11d8_9b5b_00304828b574_1542; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:16:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C1D275810D; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:16:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E61B075810A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:16:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47b98514_b486_11d8_95a1_00304828b574_1496; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:16:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A8F3441AD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:14:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0baa35fa_b486_11d8_9ff6_00304828b574_31673; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:14:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D62019DC6 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:14:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0407219D76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05202-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:14:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4529E19CAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i52BE804029076 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:14:10 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:13:39 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Messages and Codes was notoriously unhelpful in many cases. Sure, but was the problem with the concept or with the implementation? In my particular case, my concern lies largely with system library functions, a finite error message space. In fact, given that a significant portion of the errors are concurrent with 9P, it ought to be trivial to rationalise at least those error messages into a finite set. I'm suggesting that discipline in the use of error messages would be constructive and that one mechanism to encourage such discipline would be the use of indexing. I appreciate that it then becomes difficult to escape the enforced rigidity, but one can add the escape mechanism a priori. I actually fail to see any other disadvantages of a disciplined approach. I do see very clearly where the Plan 9 approach becomes a nightmare. ++L From cej@gli.cas.cz Thu Jun 3 04:43:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 20:22:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26f23866_b487_11d8_96ab_00304828b574_6478; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E63D34491B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26c1274e_b487_11d8_9d77_00304828b574_6475; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:22:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 00AB07580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:22:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC8677580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:22:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 268167bc_b487_11d8_843f_00304828b574_6472; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:22:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA4434494F for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:22:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25c90ffa_b487_11d8_97e8_00304828b574_6467; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:22:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 44D2119DAD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:22:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69C9719D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00358-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AC59A19D7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:22:16 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:22:15 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme: some thoughts about design Thread-Index: AcRIk9uZ3gKdapSWSLuZ9GFbbWXxmQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > The thing I don't like [very much] is taglines [as a place for = commands]: > if you don't want to use the taglines for commands, don't. > the taglines are necessary -- how else would you know > which file was which? putting extra stuff in them that can > be ignored seems like an efficient use of space, not a waste. As I mentioned earlier, wouldn't a frame with [sorted] listing of window tags be a cleaner solution for navigation? ++pac. From a@9srv.net Thu Jun 3 04:43:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 21:53:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d48144d4_b493_11d8_906e_00304828b574_20957; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:53:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3780C344CAC for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:53:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d449e854_b493_11d8_9f91_00304828b574_20954; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:53:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 201C07580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:53:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA82C7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:53:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4033a26_b493_11d8_9b3b_00304828b574_20951; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:53:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD37344CAC for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:53:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d34b00dc_b493_11d8_95e9_00304828b574_20945; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:53:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CAB219DF5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:53:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8129519A17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10124-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31EF019A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:42:10 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable //As I mentioned earlier, wouldn't a frame with [sorted] listing of //window tags be a cleaner solution for navigation? i don't think so, no. how would it work? say i have some window containing this list. how's it sorted? lists are one-dimensional; my acme window arangement is not. while there's a trivial way to do the transformation (go down col 1, then col 2...), that becomes quite awkward, mentally. but the biggest problem is that i want to look at a window and know which file i'm editing. i have a lot of acme windows most of the time, and counting down a list - even given some kind of markers denoting col boundaries - seems like it would take forever. and how would commands work? how do you tell Put which window to Put if they're all in a list? actually, this all sounds so bad to me i've concluded i don't really understand what you're suggesting. =E2=98=E2=98care to sort me out= ? =EF From a@9srv.net Thu Jun 3 04:43:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 21:55:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1dec53c0_b494_11d8_850b_00304828b574_22864; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:55:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67849344CD1 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:55:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1db8398c_b494_11d8_9b60_00304828b574_22861; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:55:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 537077580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:55:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0DD7580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:55:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d7f1620_b494_11d8_83ca_00304828b574_22856; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:55:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E2A344CD1 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:55:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1cc9002e_b494_11d8_9535_00304828b574_22852; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:55:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F3DC19CAE for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:55:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DF2919A2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10383-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 89A5B19A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3c8bff0e61a06f1bad10ebe8e5d9be9f@9srv.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:55:06 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu bugger. backspace didn't work out so well. huh. From cej@gli.cas.cz Thu Jun 3 04:43:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 21:57:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a6fb9c6_b494_11d8_884f_00304828b574_24733; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:57:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C510B34558C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:57:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a38ef04_b494_11d8_9429_00304828b574_24730; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:57:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 78CB07580F9; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:57:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BF87580FB for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:57:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 698f4fc6_b494_11d8_805b_00304828b574_24720; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:57:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CAC9345588 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:57:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 683f0cce_b494_11d8_9729_00304828b574_24697; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:57:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D24D019D85 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:57:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8B8B19A2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10383-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98CAF19A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:57:12 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:57:11 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design Thread-Index: AcRIoR6g9CcR9kgpTBWQtunflnI8Hg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, maybe one picture is worth thousand words ;-) my idea was sthg like this: http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/newacmedesign.jpg ++pac. Peter A. Cejchan Lab of Paleobiology and Paleoecology Prague, EU http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan From a@9srv.net Thu Jun 3 04:43:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 22:33:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f64f3b0_b499_11d8_8300_00304828b574_22029; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:33:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D1F345617 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:33:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f33e914_b499_11d8_806a_00304828b574_22026; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:33:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7878B7580FA; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:33:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300487580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:33:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ef4538a_b499_11d8_85b9_00304828b574_22023; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:33:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E79345617 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:33:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6e3cf794_b499_11d8_8fcd_00304828b574_22020; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:33:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4ECC919DEF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:33:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5037819B39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10383-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4BAE19B22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4d30561ec4fd4a26b45150a2416c002a@9srv.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:20:19 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu maybe, but i still don't get it. :-) or maybe i do and i'm in denial. i see two "content" frames, a tag frame, and a command frame. what determines which content frame the commands operate on? how do i know which "content" frame is which in the tag list? this model seems to eliminate the tag bar as distinct from the "normal" frames (which seems good - they break the "all text is equal" theme that's present elsewhere) but then introduces several (at least two, possibly more i can't see) new types of "special" frames. this adds more modes to the operation of the interface, which is bad. it also significantly increases the amount of mouse motion needed to execute Tag items (even assuming some magic AI for tracking which frame you're talking about). what is it you think this model gains you? (i'd like to see either multi-line or scrolling Tags, to avoid loosing bits when the Tag gets too long, and the ability to create Rows at the top-level like i can with Cols. these are certainly more incremental (an thus possibly less exciting) than your suggestion, but i'm pretty sure i can clearly show the benefits.) From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jun 3 04:43:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 23:00:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 43b8ea10_b49d_11d8_8f4c_00304828b574_16183; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DA6344207 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 437f1f88_b49d_11d8_829e_00304828b574_16179; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BFA4875810C; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:00:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B85F758102 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 412c3ea0_b49d_11d8_9022_00304828b574_16149; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:00:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D694D34418B for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38f9cb6c_b49d_11d8_98e8_00304828b574_16062; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:00:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B81D19BAF for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:00:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A87619BAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20928-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E664B19A1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52E0AYI028978 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:00:10 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52E09KM013848; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:00:09 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52E09wO030861; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:00:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:00:07 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: <0ffa2db088558e493a30ecad96ee426e@proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > I can only presume that dhog was under pressure to build GCC (how could > he not be?) and that it was simpler to bootstrap it using GCC itself. > As far as I understand, both GCC and the binutils are fairly portable, > there ought to be a way to port GCC using the native compiler in its APE > impersonation. yes, but I was hoping the iterative process from 0.x would get us native, i.e. skip APE. In the early days gcc was very portable, and would compile under just about any C compiler. Nowadays, what with all the lovely extras, I'm not sure it compiles well under non-gcc-compatible compilers. > Lastly, APE attempts to compute errno by searching a list of error > strings to find a match. Would it be out of the question to enhance > all Plan 9 software to use a library of error messages that also > includes a numeric code? I did this on v9fs in the early days: error messages in my 9p looked like this: xxxx You screwed up xxxx was the error code. You screwed up was an error message. On systems without errstr, you returned xxxx as a number, otherwise, you return the message. So you had an errno and errstr compatible TERRROR message at the protocol level. I proposed this a while back to some folks but got a negative response. I still find that doing strcmp() on a set of error strings to produce errno is both gross and non-portable due to subtle variations in error strings between different Unixes. ron From forsyth@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 3 04:43:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 23:31:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e909238_b4a1_11d8_8211_00304828b574_7694; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:31:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013E5344D45 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:31:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e5a44a8_b4a1_11d8_9b1a_00304828b574_7657; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:31:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D85337580F9; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:31:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B57B7580FA for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:31:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e17fb0c_b4a1_11d8_9335_00304828b574_7647; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:31:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF53344D45 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:31:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d5acc44_b4a1_11d8_8938_00304828b574_7548; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:31:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B264B19C0C for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:31:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03AC019C0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22606-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D44F819B27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:36:23 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>I still find that doing strcmp() on a set of error strings to produce >>errno is both gross and non-portable due to subtle variations in error >>strings between different Unixes. i thought ape was doing strcmp on a set of Plan 9 error strings to produce unix errno. the errno values aren't portable either. i suppose you could use ENAME but you'd still need a table, and the set of names is still open-ended. with errno, you can't just index into a table to remap things because even the range isn't predictable. i've seen variations even within one manufacturer. i think it might, however, be useful to have more predictable strings (is it `directory entry not found' or `file not found') From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jun 3 04:43:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 2 23:37:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 547c1034_b4a2_11d8_9ef7_00304828b574_13214; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:37:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C9C344D6A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:37:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 544372a6_b4a2_11d8_9c23_00304828b574_13208; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:37:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BF4D87580FB; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:37:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 706887580F9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:37:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54023f52_b4a2_11d8_8bc6_00304828b574_13171; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:37:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F668344D6A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:37:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5347363a_b4a2_11d8_9671_00304828b574_13097; Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:37:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 345B219DAB for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:37:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8258319C0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26144-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3886819C73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26d922925a250263ab3ec436dfcbbc60@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:33:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>(is it `directory entry not found' or `file not found') of course i meant: or `file does not exist' ... From plan9@blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jun 3 04:43:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 00:24:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0e13896_b4a8_11d8_8cac_00304828b574_23773; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9933441CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e00e319e_b4a8_11d8_98b7_00304828b574_23582; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2DC8D758101; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:23:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375277580FC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:23:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4a08898_b4a8_11d8_9b9f_00304828b574_23417; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:23:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68A034439D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29390156_b4a8_11d8_9489_00304828b574_17816; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:18:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDEB619E6A for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:18:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E43A19AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26155-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-200-130.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.200.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FE7019A33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9dc9f06923265749383f063748d18774@tombob.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:18:19 +0100 From: plan9@blueyonder.co.uk In-Reply-To: <4d30561ec4fd4a26b45150a2416c002a@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu a@9srv.net wrote: > (i'd like to see either multi-line or scrolling Tags, to avoid loosing > bits when the Tag gets too long, and the ability to create Rows at > the top-level like i can with Cols. these are certainly more > incremental (an thus possibly less exciting) than your suggestion, > but i'm pretty sure i can clearly show the benefits.) The tags scroll if you drag button1 up or down in the tag. But I agree, having automatic scrolling when typing would be nice. I can easily live without it though. Robby From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jun 3 04:43:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 00:28:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76b88e00_b4a9_11d8_86d9_00304828b574_27730; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:28:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22153444C4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:28:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76889600_b4a9_11d8_9904_00304828b574_27723; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:28:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B3D507580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:28:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D847580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:28:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76476856_b4a9_11d8_83b4_00304828b574_27717; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:28:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62ACA3444C4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75889d5e_b4a9_11d8_80d5_00304828b574_27642; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FB3519DA6 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:28:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C748C19B75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26151-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47AE719AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:24:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>yes, but I was hoping the iterative process from 0.x would get us native, >>i.e. skip APE. In the early days gcc was very portable, and would compile >>under just about any C compiler. Nowadays, what with all the lovely >>extras, I'm not sure it compiles well under non-gcc-compatible compilers. it seems to assume sys/types.h and (funnily enough) errno.h, amongst others, so it's mildly APE; many of the others are included only if many things are #defined so might not matter. the assumed library is essentially APE system.h (644 lines) has many things like this: /* 1 if we have C99 designated initializers. */ #if !defined(HAVE_DESIGNATED_INITIALIZERS) #define HAVE_DESIGNATED_INITIALIZERS \ ((GCC_VERSION >= 2007) || (__STDC_VERSION__ >= 199901L)) #endif /* 1 if we have _Bool. */ #ifndef HAVE__BOOL # define HAVE__BOOL \ ((GCC_VERSION >= 3000) || (__STDC_VERSION__ >= 199901L)) #endif /* Test if something is a socket. */ #ifndef S_ISSOCK # ifdef S_IFSOCK # define S_ISSOCK(m) (((m) & S_IFMT) == S_IFSOCK) # else # define S_ISSOCK(m) 0 # endif #endif /* Test if something is a FIFO. */ #ifndef S_ISFIFO # ifdef S_IFIFO # define S_ISFIFO(m) (((m) & S_IFMT) == S_IFIFO) # else # define S_ISFIFO(m) 0 # endif #endif but then i can't find them used. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 00:57:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 855e559e_b4ad_11d8_9876_00304828b574_18120; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:57:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFFA234501F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 84d763e0_b4ad_11d8_8609_00304828b574_18111; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8598F7580FF; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:57:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C787580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 84783c30_b4ad_11d8_9763_00304828b574_18106; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129C3345023 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:57:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80aa3f40_b4ad_11d8_8eba_00304828b574_17809; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:57:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D832F19DB7 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:57:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8630019C81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26181-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B66FD19C7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i52Fuh04029963 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:56:45 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <0d2c70dd09b6d424242ed8b1e5485779@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:56:14 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > but then i can't find them used. Well, yes, what does a compiler need to know about sockets? Unfortunately, it takes a lot more effort to lose bloat than to put it on. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 01:12:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9c2f6fe_b4af_11d8_8928_00304828b574_31053; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 692FC3456B3 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a98c90b4_b4af_11d8_991c_00304828b574_31050; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4EFBB7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C6C7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a94d26cc_b4af_11d8_89f9_00304828b574_31047; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC4C3456B3 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a88b6028_b4af_11d8_8e05_00304828b574_31043; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3888E19D90 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E80AC19B43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00232-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B55FC19B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i52GC604000112 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:12:07 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:11:37 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > it seems to assume sys/types.h and (funnily enough) errno.h, amongst others, > so it's mildly APE; many of the others are included only if many things are #defined > so might not matter. the assumed library is essentially APE Does anyone else here believe that APE is worth enhancing? I'm no fan of glibc, but I do believe that efforts towards adding Posix capabilities to Plan 9, clearly labelled as "use is detrimental to sanity", are not wasted. Still, my objective is to remove the dependence of the GNU development tools from GCC as far as that will go. I don't object to the GNU/APE separation, but I find the duplication of tools hard to maintain and the problem with GNU tools - like with Microsoft software - is that you can't afford to lag too far behind the current release. Right now, I'm battling to get APE wait4() to approximate the spec more closely. That will be followed by select(), I suppose. And while I'm at it, has anyone figured out why even with the actual object macros, I can't get Plan 9 troff (or nroff?) to present the NetBSD man pages anywhere near readably? Suggestions on how to get this fixed will be gratefully accepted. Rewriting the man pages is not much of an option, of course. ++L From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 01:13:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b78dc444_b4af_11d8_8af6_00304828b574_31082; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894683456B9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7562b92_b4af_11d8_9438_00304828b574_31079; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 747A87580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4DC7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b71ac6ba_b4af_11d8_9d82_00304828b574_31076; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0503456B9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:12:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6605dfc_b4af_11d8_9995_00304828b574_31069; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:12:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3555119DC4 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB24D19DB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01157-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54ECF19DC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52GCLYI016482 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:12:21 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52GCIYp000807 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:12:18 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52GCIwO006699 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:12:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:12:17 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Charles Forsyth wrote: > Numeric codes are a bad idea, that plan 9 was well rid of from unix. > they do not scale well in a distributed system with distributed > development. I agree with everything you're saying. But if you're going to interoperate with Unix systems, there aren't a lot of options. After all, strcmp() on a table of error strings is hardly an improvement over numeric codes. ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 01:16:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26f4556e_b4b0_11d8_93b8_00304828b574_1551; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:16:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AC83456C1 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:16:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26a26f2e_b4b0_11d8_9265_00304828b574_1513; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:16:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E807F7580F9; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:16:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F487580FA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:16:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2628d0f6_b4b0_11d8_9fbd_00304828b574_1476; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:16:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43D173456C3 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:16:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 254d2b5a_b4b0_11d8_90e6_00304828b574_1357; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:16:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B89919C52 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:16:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BE3919B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26181-01-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1C8719B52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52GFiYI018192 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:15:44 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52GFiAe005699; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:15:44 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52GFhwO006905; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:15:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:15:43 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: <1574e990d7d9faea01829e1a5a00e1e4@proxima.alt.za> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > You mean like > > IEF450I JOBXXX STEPA - ABEND=S0C4 REASON=00000010 > > > > Yes, those were the good old days. > > Computers weren't commodities, then. Was that any worse than a pop-up > window that describes everything except what the error is really about > and gives no pointers to additional information? At least with the > IBM manuals, it was possible to find out where the above originated > and to establish an apporximation to the cause. I don't get it, you think 'phase error' is not a useful error message :-) ron From trickey@lucent.com Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 01:25:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 703ba410_b4b1_11d8_88a6_00304828b574_8869; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E316D3456EA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7008c25c_b4b1_11d8_87e2_00304828b574_8866; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C5A8F7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A63F7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6fc74926_b4b1_11d8_87cf_00304828b574_8863; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 816AD3456EA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6f108c22_b4b1_11d8_927e_00304828b574_8857; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8764219E61 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:25:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 712F419A12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02832-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com (hoemail1.lucent.com [192.11.226.161]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16414199F9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nj9620exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-222-4-21.lucent.com [135.222.4.21]) by hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i52GOel26183 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:24:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: by nj9620exch001p.mh.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:24:40 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Trickey, Howard W (Howard)" To: "'lucio@proxima.alt.za'" , "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] GNU Make Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:24:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Does anyone else here believe that APE is worth enhancing? No. Well, hardly anyone. The Plan 9 user community regards APE as a "failure of vision" not worth pursuing. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 01:25:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c408406_b4b1_11d8_9593_00304828b574_8893; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133093456EA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c0b2856_b4b1_11d8_8f70_00304828b574_8890; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F38D97580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6377580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7bd1aac2_b4b1_11d8_9c0e_00304828b574_8887; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18343456EA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:25:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b114430_b4b1_11d8_8803_00304828b574_8884; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:25:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77A9719DC8 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:25:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0748A19DCE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02782-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAE8619C34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i52GOw04000284 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:25:00 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:24:29 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Ron Minnich wrote: > On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Charles Forsyth wrote: > >> Numeric codes are a bad idea, that plan 9 was well rid of from unix. >> they do not scale well in a distributed system with distributed >> development. > > I agree with everything you're saying. But if you're going to > interoperate with Unix systems, there aren't a lot of options. Wait a moment, maybe there are options? Hm, maybe not, but perhaps somebody can sanity check me here. It seems to me that the crucial factor lies with the return codes from the Plan 9 system calls when used by APE simulation procedures. Perhaps we can arrange the core system calls to return error identification "codes" that are then readily translated both in APE and in P9 to the results required in that environment. Would the cost be excessive? Somehow, considering that this happens only on error conditions, I should think not. Would it be difficult to do? Others here are better qualified to judge. In particular, those very authorities are best qualified to recommend how to approach this. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 01:35:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d42811d8_b4b2_11d8_8d67_00304828b574_18207; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:35:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2DF344487 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:35:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d344aeca_b4b2_11d8_841b_00304828b574_18198; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:35:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 88ACF7580F9; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:35:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483157580FC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:35:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d2496d9e_b4b2_11d8_840e_00304828b574_18190; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:35:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B076344487 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:32:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72bbba12_b4b2_11d8_89a7_00304828b574_14949; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:32:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 30D1519DA2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:32:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E10719B08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01157-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED86F19AFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i52GW704000341 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:32:08 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:31:38 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Lucio De Re asked: >> Does anyone else here believe that APE is worth enhancing? To which Howard Trickey replied: > No. Well, hardly anyone. > The Plan 9 user community regards APE as a "failure of vision" > not worth pursuing. Is there an alternative? What about supporting ghostscript and spin? Moving off APE to GNU is hardly an option, although it certainly is different. Rewriting a whole lot of useful software because the original authors were not blessed with the holy knowledge of the Plan 9 development environment is also somewhat counterproductive. No, I think your efforts were heroic and deserve to be sustained and even enhanced :-) ++L From rminnich@lanl.gov Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 01:54:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 85f3eef8_b4b5_11d8_8f51_00304828b574_3972; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:54:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CFF34499E for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:54:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 85bda8e8_b4b5_11d8_9680_00304828b574_3969; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:54:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3B9107580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:54:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E901D7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:54:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8583954a_b4b5_11d8_8fe7_00304828b574_3961; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:54:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48C134499E for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:54:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 84c679d8_b4b5_11d8_9da9_00304828b574_3952; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 01:54:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9D9F19DD9 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:54:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F25C219CE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02941-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9723E19C84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52GsBYI000798 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:54:11 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52Gs9Ae015165; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:54:10 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i52Gs5wO009249; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:54:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 10:54:04 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > Hm, maybe not, but perhaps somebody can sanity check me here. It > seems to me that the crucial factor lies with the return codes from > the Plan 9 system calls when used by APE simulation procedures. or: - 9p server on Plan 9 to Unix/Linux client (they want errno) - u9fs server on Unix to Unix client Still, it is hard to argue with the proposition that propagating errno is propagating braindamage. Maybe we'd better just drop this :-) ron From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 04:43:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 02:00:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ddd27ea_b4b6_11d8_86f1_00304828b574_8488; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 02:00:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B20345708 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d9dc8ca_b4b6_11d8_8657_00304828b574_8451; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 02:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 61A9E7580FB; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:00:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A5F7580FA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:00:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d427ea2_b4b6_11d8_801b_00304828b574_8414; 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Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:00:48 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i52H2EEr028298; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:02:16 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:00:44 +0100 To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: <1574e990d7d9faea01829e1a5a00e1e4@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > All I'm after is a somewhat less expensive approach to translating an > error message to its nearest Unix errno. Expense is related to how common an occurance the event is. Errors are (hopefully) rare so their expense in supporting imported (IE ape) software is not so unreasonable. I thing texture error messares are one pf plan9's great streangths. I have had sam give "/n/netware/a/b/xxx.c cannot open - file locked" on occasion. File locking is an alien concept to plan9 but I still get the correct and informative error from the imported netware filesystem. -Steve From salomo3@cooper.edu Thu Jun 3 04:43:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 04:43:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f8ccea2_b4cd_11d8_9102_00304828b574_18799; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:43:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8468A344A5F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:43:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f4c68f8_b4cd_11d8_9567_00304828b574_18762; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:43:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 66FDD7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:43:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0217580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:43:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f0a9518_b4cd_11d8_9170_00304828b574_18725; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:43:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2673344A5F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e36a348_b4cd_11d8_94ac_00304828b574_18591; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 04:43:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4433A19E07 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B627D19C0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13613-02-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (wish.cooper.edu [199.98.16.74]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 88BD619BFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix, from userid 94) id E0384393A; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wish.cooper.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by wish.cooper.edu (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ACAD3938; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 63.165.50.175 (SquirrelMail authenticated user salomo3) by wish.cooper.edu with HTTP; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: "Joel Salomon" To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Sanitizer: This message has been sanitized! X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable lucio@proxima.alt.za said: > And while I'm at it, has anyone figured out why even with the actual > object macros, I can't get Plan 9 troff (or nroff?) to present the > NetBSD man pages anywhere near readably? Suggestions on how to get > this fixed will be gratefully accepted. Rewriting the man pages is > not much of an option, of course. > Differences between plan9's -man and groff's -man, or is netbsd using another macro set? Just a guess. I have run into minor incompatibilities typesetting plan9's /sys/doc with groff, though I'm think that it's utf in the files that's causing the confusion. --Joel From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 21:33:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 06:34:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a4c4db36_b4dc_11d8_9f50_00304828b574_17325; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 06:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A27345A7F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a48f1ef6_b4dc_11d8_955e_00304828b574_17322; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 06:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 501527580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:34:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F1047580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a459a9a6_b4dc_11d8_8837_00304828b574_17319; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 06:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14669345A7F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3a2b5ca_b4dc_11d8_9564_00304828b574_17316; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 06:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEE5819DF2 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:34:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C446719BFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27360-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66B6219B5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 509EB672E8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:33:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <050801c448e8$c749eda0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:30:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Numeric codes are a bad idea, that plan 9 was well rid of from unix. > they do not scale well in a distributed system with distributed development. agreed. 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Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 From cross@math.psu.edu Thu Jun 3 21:33:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 08:53:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c2d06a4_b4f0_11d8_9b03_00304828b574_6867; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3E4345933 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1bf74636_b4f0_11d8_8434_00304828b574_6864; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:53:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 191137580FB; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:53:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E497580FA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:53:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1bbd762c_b4f0_11d8_828e_00304828b574_6860; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:53:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71AA345935 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:53:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b04fb1a_b4f0_11d8_8604_00304828b574_6851; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:53:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D47E19DFD for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:53:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C60E019D10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16332-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from math.psu.edu (leibniz.math.psu.edu [146.186.130.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A83DB19CC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (augusta.math.psu.edu [146.186.132.2]) by math.psu.edu (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i52NrZMC012546 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from augusta.math.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by augusta.math.psu.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id i52NrZP16934 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200406022353.i52NrZP16934@augusta.math.psu.edu> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:24:35 EDT." Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:53:35 -0400 From: Dan Cross X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu "Trickey, Howard W (Howard)" writes: > > > Does anyone else here believe that APE is worth enhancing? > > No. Well, hardly anyone. > The Plan 9 user community regards APE as a "failure of vision" > not worth pursuing. I disagree. I see it as a necessary evil which it would be a mistake to discard, or, just as bad, allow to decay to the point at which discarding is necessary. - Dan C. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 3 21:33:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 09:55:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae0d5382_b4f8_11d8_9bec_00304828b574_31727; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24B4344247 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id addc83ce_b4f8_11d8_9733_00304828b574_31719; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E51007580FC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDCC75810F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a92c3ad6_b4f8_11d8_9385_00304828b574_31402; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E79344187 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6c13c9c_b4f8_11d8_9512_00304828b574_31186; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D71819DDB for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:55:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4C7919DC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20646-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 359C019DC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6512bbe49d313150faf716a6f65f3e14@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:56:08 +0900 In-Reply-To: <5efdc63fc3066464fd7b34a30dda5f5e@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > By the way, I think to separate the menu and the main window may > be a good idea which I wanted to test if I have time and power... I don't mean to do it on acme, but make it a different things from acme. Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 3 21:33:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 09:55:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae202174_b4f8_11d8_8b59_00304828b574_31731; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0217634419E for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ade5209c_b4f8_11d8_806b_00304828b574_31722; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E58A2758104; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058B2758105 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a88d3ff8_b4f8_11d8_9736_00304828b574_31353; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:55:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833BA344297 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:54:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8032c366_b4f8_11d8_8c9d_00304828b574_29727; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:54:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 344AE19E43 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:53:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C43E519DBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20646-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34BDA19DBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5efdc63fc3066464fd7b34a30dda5f5e@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:54:58 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/newacmedesign.jpg I think you lost the most important point of acme, that is acme has windows recursively, and all the menus we can see on a plane. It helps us very much from the deeply nested menues which break the promise we don't need to read manual. =E2=98=BA By the way, I think to separate the menu and the main window may be a good idea which I wanted to test if I have time and power... Kenji From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Thu Jun 3 21:33:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 11:01:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f684491e_b501_11d8_9f16_00304828b574_22214; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:01:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725C8344433 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:01:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f60698c0_b501_11d8_8d9a_00304828b574_22203; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:01:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AAD7E7580FB; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:01:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48CF7580FC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:01:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5194b24_b501_11d8_8a7c_00304828b574_22191; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:01:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05B1344433 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:58:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9175de84_b501_11d8_906c_00304828b574_18833; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 10:58:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A223519E28 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:58:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8144A19B18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27991-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0F09E19C63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 64622 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 01:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 01:58:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 01:58:26 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i531wQF29718; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:58:26 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <54b0ae22845d93a48296e5105042d8ec@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:58:14 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] chdir to mode 000 directory X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Clearly, I'm missing something..., but how do I interpret this behaviour? % mkdir dir % chmod 000 dir % ls -ld dir d---------- M 9 nashi nashi 0 Jun 3 10:51 dir % cd dir % __chdir succeeds!__ % pwd pwd: permission denied -- From a@9srv.net Thu Jun 3 21:33:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 11:06:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9af2b882_b502_11d8_8590_00304828b574_27449; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:06:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B733441B0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:06:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99d27db6_b502_11d8_9cf0_00304828b574_27436; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:06:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EDA657580FF; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:06:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01967580FB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:06:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98e506da_b502_11d8_88b5_00304828b574_27424; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:06:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4103B34456A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da599f00_b501_11d8_9317_00304828b574_21173; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47C8E19DD1 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:00:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7635419C63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27991-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4CA7419B18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 21:57:40 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu // Does anyone else here believe that APE is worth enhancing? i do, for what that's worth. posix is awful, but i'd rather see APE brought up to par than put the work into the GNU stuff. i think rsc had talked about it at some point (or i read it on one of his pages somewhere), too. i'd rather everything was written nativly, of course. but it's not. and we've all got better things to do that rewrite ghostscript. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 3 21:33:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 12:39:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a35785f4_b50f_11d8_8061_00304828b574_14999; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A80A344404 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a31af09e_b50f_11d8_907c_00304828b574_14990; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D3474758108; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592F9758105 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d2dff14_b50f_11d8_86c4_00304828b574_14909; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:39:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1F9344572 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a847fb9e_b50e_11d8_9f66_00304828b574_7187; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:32:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA1EF19D67 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:32:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F40D19DD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06630-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 770B819DD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0955bdd6242ef601798dd793005bf684@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:31:35 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > we've all got better things to do that rewrite ghostscript. I believe the problem between ghostscript and Plan 9 lies in the fact that each uses different character code set, CID-keyed and UTF-8. =E2=98=BA Kenji From vdharani@infernopark.com Thu Jun 3 21:33:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 12:39:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3a2f322_b50f_11d8_9beb_00304828b574_15008; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:39:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD601344160 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a36cbabe_b50f_11d8_9e12_00304828b574_15002; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:39:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DE4447580FE; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44062758104 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:39:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d21f6e2_b50f_11d8_905c_00304828b574_14908; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:39:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E3B34471B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a51edb0_b50e_11d8_8021_00304828b574_6909; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:32:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A4E919DC5 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:32:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7595E19AC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05678-01-81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF43319A2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i538eknh009681 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:40:46 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:40:46 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32790.67.85.61.176.1086252046.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:40:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Hi, maybe one picture is worth thousand words ;-) > my idea was sthg like this: > > http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/newacmedesign.jpg > - how will one know what is the filename (pathname) for each window? - in acme, just by looking into the tag line, i know i can run 'grep XXXX= X *.c' on a particular window. how can i do it with this? - the (new) windows on the right are the ones used for tags and commands. now, how much space would they occupy? what happens when the pathnames an= d commands are longer than the ones in the sample image? - you have safely assumed there will be only one column (of windows). wha= t happens when you have to have 2 or even 3 columns? even in 1024x768, one could manage with 2 columns. with your idea, wont it waste space? thanks dharani From lyndon@orthanc.ca Thu Jun 3 21:33:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 13:43:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a028f36_b518_11d8_9b21_00304828b574_4393; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:43:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA74345482 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:43:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99368788_b518_11d8_9784_00304828b574_4382; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:43:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EBB627580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:43:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF0F7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98e67608_b518_11d8_9fd5_00304828b574_4372; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE683451C2 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 982c5ce6_b518_11d8_9f9c_00304828b574_4366; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0925319DCC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:43:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0EDE19DBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13768-02-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CCB819B7F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 00:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (d205-206-201-177.abhsia.telus.net [205.206.201.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i534hIr2005917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:43:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:43:22 -0600 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: <2147483647.1086216202@[192.168.2.101]> In-Reply-To: <1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> <1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu --On 2004-6-2 3:28 PM -0400 Joel Salomon wrote: > lucio@proxima.alt.za said: >> And while I'm at it, has anyone figured out why even with the actual >> object macros, I can't get Plan 9 troff (or nroff?) to present the >> NetBSD man pages anywhere near readably? Suggestions on how to get >> this fixed will be gratefully accepted. Rewriting the man pages is >> not much of an option, of course. > Differences between plan9's -man and groff's -man, or is netbsd using > another macro set? Just a guess. 4.4BSD introduced the 'doc' macro package. It's a more structured variant of the 'an' macro package. All the 4.4BSD man pages were changed over to use -mdoc. Writing a Plan9 native set of 'doc' macros is on my todo list, but it's not going to happen any time soon. (Although if a working troff pops up in the ports CVS tree, this will become a much higher priority for me.) --lyndon From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 21:33:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 14:15:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc08e6c2_b51c_11d8_92c0_00304828b574_3265; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:15:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9829E3447ED for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:15:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbd551ae_b51c_11d8_9a6a_00304828b574_3255; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:15:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 78BF87580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:15:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2E27580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:15:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb9116a6_b51c_11d8_9499_00304828b574_3225; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:15:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4463447ED for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:15:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id facdb6c0_b51c_11d8_8c34_00304828b574_3151; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:15:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 47CF819DC7 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:15:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E4C5619D91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16821-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:14:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C07F219D0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 01:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i535Ed04004599 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:14:42 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <7a11feaaac0ff47b146e04dba05a7244@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:14:05 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I have had sam give "/n/netware/a/b/xxx.c cannot open - file locked" > on occasion. File locking is an alien concept to plan9 but I still > get the correct and informative error from the imported netware filesystem. Maybe I'm harping, feel free to tell me. However, the utility that reports an error merely passes to the caller a pointer to a character string. That very pointer could be used as a message identifier if used in such fashion. So why not return an index? So you may need a lookup function that traps accesses beyond the table boundaries and reports them as erroneous together with, if possible, the source and location of the problem. How hard is that going to be? As for the efficiencies involved, it is not only performance that's involved, it's also scalability: use a slightly different format for your error message (a tab turned to a space) and the mapping fails. 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It may seem odd, but I presume it is more consistent. 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From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Thu Jun 3 21:33:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 15:02:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9943dc20_b523_11d8_92c4_00304828b574_9635; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:02:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C86344E87 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:02:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99121014_b523_11d8_9884_00304828b574_9632; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:02:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 442AC7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:02:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003777580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:02:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98d4745c_b523_11d8_91e5_00304828b574_9629; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:02:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04959344E87 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:02:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 981cf728_b523_11d8_971a_00304828b574_9626; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:02:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EFD019DC7 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:02:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2736019BDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17550-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2610319AC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29465 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 06:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 06:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 06:02:07 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i53627F41157; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:02:07 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] chdir to mode 000 directory From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:01:54 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > % ls -ld dir > > d---------- M 9 nashi nashi 0 Jun 3 10:51 dir > > % cd dir > > % __chdir succeeds!__ : > The semantics of directory permissions are different: you can walk to > a directory without permission, Thank you. My confusion is cleared now. So when I want to check if a process can chdir to a directory, the following fragment is good enough? if(access("/usr/hoge/adir", AREAD) < 0){ // error, can't chdir to adir : } I thought the following should work at first, hence my question. if(chdir("/usr/hoge/adir") < 0){ // error, can't chdir to adir : } -- From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 21:33:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 15:25:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be9c3c30_b526_11d8_8ecb_00304828b574_316; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:25:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF67344212 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:25:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be59146e_b526_11d8_971c_00304828b574_32748; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:25:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E9CB87580FF; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:24:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A12758107 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:24:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7bc5490_b526_11d8_8a98_00304828b574_32508; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:24:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB75344834 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39271a3e_b526_11d8_88be_00304828b574_29008; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A06C19DDF for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:21:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 904ED19CDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16822-01-68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D60E819C7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i536KS04005047 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:20:30 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <7f6d458de37491bcef201bd3338530b5@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] chdir to mode 000 directory Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:19:56 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Thank you. My confusion is cleared now. So when I want to > check if a process can chdir to a directory, the following > fragment is good enough? I'm not sure. When out of one's comfort zone, only testing can reveal the truth. The man pages, if read carefully, do reveal what happens, but you should let the developers give their opinion. If you're in a hurry, I should think stat(2) will supply the information you need. ++L From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 21:34:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 15:42:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3bdf73fe_b529_11d8_83a2_00304828b574_14803; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:42:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D0D344ECB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:42:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3baa9602_b529_11d8_8861_00304828b574_14800; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:42:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8830E7580FB; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:42:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7EF7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:42:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b696b46_b529_11d8_9e2a_00304828b574_14794; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:42:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33535344ECB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:42:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3aa8ddea_b529_11d8_806a_00304828b574_14788; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 15:42:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F6A119D76 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:42:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FB4919CD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21794-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC47319DC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 02:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i536g604005161 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:42:08 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:41:34 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <046301c448c2$8583a8f0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > error strings to codes or another language is a nightmare. > > so is: > > echo us centric string > /dev/foo/ctl The former is a continuing "failure of vision" that will eventually be resolved out of necessity. The latter may be solved with the former if everyone gets to speak English (not out of the question, either, although we may not recognise it as English), alternatively, one can provide translation shims everywhere. At least the target strings are documented and usually concise. It's really not much worse than programming with "if" and "while". ++L From cej@gli.cas.cz Thu Jun 3 21:34:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 16:48:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7590fd58_b532_11d8_9f34_00304828b574_8822; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:48:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23F7344156 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75599b6a_b532_11d8_910d_00304828b574_8819; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CF3FD7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:48:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B1F7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75210336_b532_11d8_99c2_00304828b574_8816; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88929344156 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74675058_b532_11d8_936c_00304828b574_8813; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4F4519E08 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:48:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE25919CDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01101-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20A0B19B9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 03:48:29 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:48:28 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme: some thoughts about design Thread-Index: AcRJPyiT5Bj3H4hKRdyvBbcm2q/AXg== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Thanks for reaction! Here is some explanations to what i meant... /As I mentioned earlier, wouldn't a frame with [sorted] listing of //window tags be a cleaner solution for navigation? > i don't think so, no. how would it work? say i have some window > containing this list. how's it sorted? lists are one-dimensional; my > acme window arangement is not. while there's a trivial way to do > the transformation (go down col 1, then col 2...), that becomes > quite awkward, mentally. why? the list will always take you to the correct place, won't it? = otherwise, OK, one could have such window for each column separately... > but the biggest problem is that i want to look at a window and > know which file i'm editing.=20 cursor position | highlighting in "listing/tag window" not sufficient? =20 > i have a lot of acme windows most of so do i ;-) > the time, and counting down a list - even given some kind of > markers denoting col boundaries - seems like it would take > forever. > and how would commands work? how do you tell Put which > window to Put if they're all in a list? use last "ordinary window" ... i think > actually, this all sounds so bad to me i've concluded i don't > really understand what you're suggesting. care to sort me out? best regards, ++pac. =20 From cej@gli.cas.cz Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:58:29 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design Thread-Index: AcRJQI710dGSen8VRsiWQFKwvdmeVA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu PiBJIHRoaW5rIHlvdSBsb3N0IHRoZSBtb3N0IGltcG9ydGFudCBwb2ludCBvZiBhY21lLCB0aGF0 IGlzIGFjbWUgaGFzDQo+IHdpbmRvd3MgcmVjdXJzaXZlbHksDQoNCnNvcnJ5IGZvciBpZ25vcmFu Y2UsIGJ1dCBjYW4geW91IGhpbnQgbWUgc29tZSBtb3JlIGluZm8gb24gdGhpcz8NCg0KPiBhbmQg YWxsIHRoZSBtZW51cyB3ZSBjYW4gc2VlIG9uIGEgcGxhbmUuDQoNCmFzIGl0IGlzIGluIG15IHBy b3Bvc2FsLCBidXQgdGhlcmUgaXMgbm8gcmVkdW5kYW5jZSwgYW5kIG1lbnVpdGVtcyBhcmUgYWxs IGp1c3QgdGV4dCB3cml0dGVuIGludG8gdGhlIHNjcm9sbGFibGUgImNtZCBmcmFtZSINCg0KPiBJ dCBoZWxwcyB1cyB2ZXJ5IG11Y2ggZnJvbSB0aGUgZGVlcGx5IG5lc3RlZCBtZW51ZXMgd2hpY2gg YnJlYWsNCj4gdGhlIHByb21pc2Ugd2UgZG9uJ3QgbmVlZCB0byByZWFkIG1hbnVhbC4g4pi6DQpq dXN0IG1ha2UgdGhlIGZyYW1lIGJ1aWcgZW5vdWdoKGZvciB0aGUgbW9tZW50KSBvciBzY3JvbGwu Lg0KDQorK3BhYy4NCg== From cej@gli.cas.cz Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:08:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23c53b12_b535_11d8_9fe2_00304828b574_24586; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:08:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52BF519E1B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:08:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85E6919DBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03219-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3141C19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:07:44 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:07:43 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design Thread-Index: AcRJQdj+yBfH/sFzSciZe8hoF9TCQQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The tags scroll if you drag button1 up or down in the tag. actually, they appear not to scroll but just jump to the end what if i want to exe a cmd somewhere in the middle? just retype/paste = into an ordinary frame? > But I agree, having automatic scrolling when typing would be nice. having ordinary scrolling would be nice ;-) > I can easily live without it though. me not.... :-( ... it renders me unaesthetic, sorry. And yes, my proposal was driven perhaps more by puristic view on what [subjectively, of course] is/isn't perceived aesthetic, than true ergonomic/other advantages. thanks for debate, regards, ++pac. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 17:30:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e21fbb8_b538_11d8_9e2d_00304828b574_11626; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:30:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD94C3451C0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:30:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4deedf08_b538_11d8_82b2_00304828b574_11623; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:30:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A00FA7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:30:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545C27580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:30:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dad167c_b538_11d8_8089_00304828b574_11620; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:30:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2863451C0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:30:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4cefb08c_b538_11d8_82de_00304828b574_11617; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:30:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42C6219E12 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:30:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E968C19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01911-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36D7619C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EAB4A6736F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:30:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <05e301c44944$79faa650$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net><1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> <2147483647.1086216202@[192.168.2.101]> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:26:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i think we [Christophe ?] and i found that the registers could be now named with multi char names, yesterday. iirc: .nr foo 1 1 ... \([foo] now, that is not troff. From cej@gli.cas.cz Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 17:56:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d70dc15c_b53b_11d8_96d3_00304828b574_4245; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:56:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B5F34482C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:56:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6d3c7fe_b53b_11d8_974c_00304828b574_4238; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:56:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C66FA7580FD; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:55:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF34758107 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:55:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d411ebb8_b53b_11d8_9487_00304828b574_4078; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:55:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F6E3451E3 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:38:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d9dea38_b539_11d8_8457_00304828b574_18091; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:38:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3C6219DE2 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:38:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C363419B7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01911-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1775A19A6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:37:58 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:37:58 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design Thread-Index: AcRJRhLAVonRx8m6QU6YT9EHkIK1WQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > "normal" frames (which seems good - they break the "all text is > equal" theme that's present elsewhere) but then introduces several > (at least two, possibly more i can't see) new types of "special" > frames.=20 isn't a tag "line" a special frame that [currently] behaves differently = from "normal" one?? my "tag frame" i think could behave just normal, bringing up the frame = named bz text as it does in usual frame, so does the "command frame" with ,maybe, one = exception that it must not=20 apply commands to itself, but to the last touched frame, which it must = know ... however, it doesn't need to differ from current behavior of a tagline, does it? > this adds more modes to the operation of the interface, i hope it does not... > which is bad.=20 would be. ++pac. From plan9@blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 17:57:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 189ec148_b53c_11d8_95e7_00304828b574_6342; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F323734417D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 186d7386_b53c_11d8_969d_00304828b574_6339; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BB667758105; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F6F758114 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1460844a_b53c_11d8_8095_00304828b574_6266; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BE03447B9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6784c5f6_b53b_11d8_8253_00304828b574_701; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:52:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03A1419E14 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:52:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B25C19B64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02582-02-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-200-130.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.200.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 881C519B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:52:30 +0100 From: plan9@blueyonder.co.uk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ++pac wrote: >> The tags scroll if you drag button1 up or down in the tag. > > actually, they appear not to scroll but just jump to the end > what if i want to exe a cmd somewhere in the middle? just retype/paste into an ordinary frame? Apologies if this sounds flippant, but your comment above makes me want to ask: What do you keep in your tags? Whole scripts or paragraphs of text? I use middle click on New and type in the new pane for stuff like that. The only times I have difficulties with text length in tags is when using acme under Unix, as I have less control over most of the absolute filenames. And files under Unix tend to live in very deep directory hierarchies. Which incidentally, led to the introduction of the special way environment variables are used by wily. Robby From wwlos@hotmail.com Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 17:57:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19ad4b36_b53c_11d8_8434_00304828b574_6351; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5BE34417D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 197c6354_b53c_11d8_8938_00304828b574_6347; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C044B758109; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322897580FB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f050a84_b53c_11d8_86b1_00304828b574_6171; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6911A34484F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8cb4f2c_b53a_11d8_914e_00304828b574_27438; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3465919DF9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:47:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 117E019D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01235-02-66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9B6119BBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BVnkc-00027p-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:39:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:35:46 GMT From: WLad Message-ID: Organization: Kharkiv online Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > Hi, maybe one picture is worth thousand words ;-) > my idea was sthg like this: > > http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/newacmedesign.jpg Oh! It looks like I have seen this somewhere long before... ;o) http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/WebScreen.html more detail examples: http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/snaps/tile.jpg http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/snaps/vnc.jpg Do not see at date. These pics are just as examples. I assure you that same interface was in the mid of 80ths... Regards From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 17:57:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a68f37c_b53c_11d8_9e5e_00304828b574_6361; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AF334417D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a35ad1e_b53c_11d8_87c0_00304828b574_6355; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 63E1D7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F182758115 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 149b5782_b53c_11d8_8630_00304828b574_6269; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2463447E8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:53:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74d7a994_b53b_11d8_88b0_00304828b574_1570; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:53:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E370219DF2 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:53:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD91919E12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01911-01-86 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DCA519DFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:54:01 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I think you lost the most important point of acme, that is acme has >> windows recursively, >=20 > sorry for ignorance, but can you hint me some more info on this? The direction which we took for our marsv. =E2=98=BA By the way, I don't want to make debate here, however, I could recommend you to forget the acme's way if you want to make something new user interface for Plan 9. Acme's way is good for text things, I know. If you are thinking of an extension of acme for text thing, I think it's not so interesting to me. Acme is good enough to me. Kenji From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 17:58:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1dad5d66_b53c_11d8_9dc1_00304828b574_6404; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:58:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C92344324 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:58:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d7127d8_b53c_11d8_86f0_00304828b574_6392; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:58:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D2A8E7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36AA75810A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 11df1bdc_b53c_11d8_9721_00304828b574_6228; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D86CF3441D8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:49:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e077eb06_b53a_11d8_9e79_00304828b574_29319; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:49:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F353D19D9E for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:49:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B173019AD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01235-02-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 771F519AD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3a96057432a34fc38f4577b0b7b468a9@terzarima.net> From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:49:57 +0100 To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>The former is a continuing "failure of vision" that will eventually be >>resolved out of necessity. The latter may be solved with the former i wonder if a message got lost. in another commercial product a group of us years ago handled messages in many natural languages in programs without fuss, in a serious commercial product that was, and i believe still is, widely used with many Western European languages. it did not need the use of message codes. strings worked well. the text of the message in the program was its own `index'. still seems straightforward to me. the strings are anyway the subject of translation by the translators! you can't get away from them. all those strcmps? hash. works for messages in files, too, though there are other searching techniques. more recently, an even simpler scheme for messages was successfully used in Limbo applications. i used a hash table, but as it happens, i accidentally produced a degenerate one. i still didn't notice for two years, even with profiling; it's just not that much of a bottleneck in many cases. it's the least of your worries as i said before: working out how to arrange the strings to cope with the differing requirements of various natural languages for word order, or `dictionary order' (which can vary across dialects of the same language), and several other things, all require extra mechanisms. for each string in a program, one needs to decide whether the text is essentially `program' or whether it's `speech'. it's helpful to have a conventional form for the text of such messages so they can be extracted automatically for translation (assuming the compiler can't assist). in many cases, system diagnostics should not be translated (or indeed must not be translated) because they are input to other programs, or internal diagnostics that should remain as-is. actually, given the extent of program tools when scripting, it's probably true that most existing messages wouldn't be translated anyway. one of the nice things about the change to largely GUI-oriented interfaces is that it's more obvious which bits of text are intended to be understood by users of an application. most output of programs such as sed, file, etc. would not be seen directly (by a `real' end user). the failure of vision here is to think that just using integers will solve anything. first, it complicates distributed development (who assigns the integers? shall we have the usual hack of a `user-defined range'? what happens when i federate two systems?), as the varying assignment within Unix systems shows, and they were dealing with a largely fixed set of system calls and outcomes (so in principal one could enumerate most of the possibilities). even then, quite a few things settle for EIO. that's a great help. to get round the problem of differing errno assignments in Unix, one could use EAGAIN (or is it EWOULDBLOCK?), ENOENT, etc. but hang on: that's just a string and you'll still need to put it through a map. EBAHGUM. more important, with user-level file servers the set of possible diagnostics is unbounded, because the range of application is not limited as it was (at least until recently) in Unix. there is a smaller `failure of vision' though: Lucio is right that a little more discipline in forming the text of the strings might help. file servers that really do serve up real files could use the same text for the same errors. it's a rather tedious job to go round the source to do it, but it's no more tedious than collecting messages for translation in any case. From plan9@blueyonder.co.uk Thu Jun 3 21:34:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 17:58:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e11dd2c_b53c_11d8_916c_00304828b574_6417; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:58:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2136F34439C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:58:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ddc9572_b53c_11d8_9b31_00304828b574_6410; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:58:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 60E6D7580FC; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:58:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C020758101 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:57:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 16b5c386_b53c_11d8_9887_00304828b574_6305; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:57:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ACE34482F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:56:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2c9b492_b53b_11d8_9557_00304828b574_4965; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 17:56:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18DFA19E04 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:56:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C3E919B1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01911-01-89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prunelle.tombob.com (82-41-200-130.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk [82.41.200.130]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB7F819AD7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 04:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <24fccef2af4edc5832f197a4b98ac9c7@tombob.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] x11 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:56:03 +0100 From: plan9@blueyonder.co.uk In-Reply-To: <200406022339.i52Nd1m4060449@mailserver1.hushmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu treilov@hush.com wrote: > not a plan9 question, but i am curious to know what the other folks on > the list use with x11 as a window manager? rio, obviously Robby From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 21:34:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 18:14:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ed2a05a_b53e_11d8_99bf_00304828b574_19720; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:14:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94DF33448A4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ea0c986_b53e_11d8_9cd4_00304828b574_19717; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:14:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 75AD37580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5B47580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6e5ecb62_b53e_11d8_8c6b_00304828b574_19714; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:14:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31EA33448A4 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:14:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6da8abac_b53e_11d8_8ef8_00304828b574_19710; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:14:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0D25D19DEC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:14:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C8F519C62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06197-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDFA719BA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BECB66711F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <062501c4494a$9b874e80$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:10:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu sounds like you want sam, but with acme style execute semantics. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 21:34:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 18:21:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58c2d23e_b53f_11d8_838f_00304828b574_24876; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:21:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154D13448DC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5890129a_b53f_11d8_8241_00304828b574_24866; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:21:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EB6DE7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6F67580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 584b3e68_b53f_11d8_9955_00304828b574_24836; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E43F3448DC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:21:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5792d5d0_b53f_11d8_8b5f_00304828b574_24765; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 135F119E31 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:21:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A90919CCB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04223-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3554919BA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EE33B671AE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <064201c4494b$859c3bc0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <3a96057432a34fc38f4577b0b7b468a9@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:16:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu you could do %r as a cryptographic hash for translation. you return the %r chunk and then hash it into an associative array of translated messages, indexed by hash. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 21:34:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 18:51:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d33edb0_b543_11d8_9f33_00304828b574_16498; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:51:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B55F34521C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:51:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8cffa0a0_b543_11d8_8228_00304828b574_16492; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:51:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E012B7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:51:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94FB17580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:51:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8cbcfeda_b543_11d8_877e_00304828b574_16487; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:51:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B59134521C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:51:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8bfcbd00_b543_11d8_869e_00304828b574_16482; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:51:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54AFD19DD7 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:51:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9DE219D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07813-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 955A519CCB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i539oe04006160 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:50:42 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <4b34059e61c4f6071f83af2fb750cfe3@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:50:08 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <064201c4494b$859c3bc0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > you could do %r as a cryptographic hash for translation. > > you return the %r chunk and then hash it into an associative array of translated messages, indexed by hash. Yes, it would simplify the APE translation as well. And the associative array of translated messages may as well contain the English version, anyway. I think I was missing something: I now understand that numeric error codes are bound to collide whereas if natural language messages happen to collide - already a much less likely scenario - chances are extremely good that it doesn't matter. In fact, one could declare it not to matter. That was one point I did not quite grasp until now. I think that Boyd's and forsyth's suggestions should be implemented. I'll revise my data processing textbooks and see if I can come up with a reasonable hashing algorithm and improve APE's message lookup algorithm. I have a feeling that it is not going to end there. ++L From matthias@mteege.de Thu Jun 3 21:34:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 18:55:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a568c6a_b544_11d8_8fac_00304828b574_19586; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:55:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3AC34522B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a258d7c_b544_11d8_82ae_00304828b574_19583; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 91C837580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:55:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4945A7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29e8eaf2_b544_11d8_934a_00304828b574_19580; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D93934522B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 293169ae_b544_11d8_852c_00304828b574_19577; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7AB1719B63 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:55:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F00219B63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08816-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (unknown [82.149.227.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A42AC19A68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 05:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27313 invoked by uid 66); 3 Jun 2004 09:55:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 62608 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2004 09:52:42 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 09:52:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 46256 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 09:52:41 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 09:52:41 -0000 Message-ID: <1ce00a5bbc50a8af91b0c1966343ba44@mteege.de> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:51:55 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design In-Reply-To: <062501c4494a$9b874e80$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu Jun 3 09:40:03 GMT 2004, boyd@insultant.net wrote: > sounds like you want sam, but with acme style execute semantics. Yes!, mark and execute in any sam window maybe with an execute key on keyboard. Matthias From brucee@chunder.com Thu Jun 3 21:34:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 19:18:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b9f3248_b547_11d8_9fff_00304828b574_10103; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:18:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3687344480 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:18:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b659948_b547_11d8_87fe_00304828b574_10074; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:18:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5F91375810C; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:18:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4A0758101 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:17:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49111924_b547_11d8_89da_00304828b574_9833; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:17:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B79344925 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:09:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24bf8a70_b546_11d8_930c_00304828b574_703; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:09:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3068E19D1A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:09:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91F2719D1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08828-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1FC2C19C7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11048 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jun 2004 09:45:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 09:45:28 -0000 Message-ID: <40BEF9AF.2000800@chunder.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:13:03 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> <1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> <2147483647.1086216202@[192.168.2.101]> In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1086216202@[192.168.2.101]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ummm, excuse me - but troff was the perhaps the best supported program at the labs. if groff works with and troff doesn't well guess which one is wrong. when in doubt avoid programs that start with 'g' ... except grep. and why isn't there a ggrep. that would get 100 morons typing straight away. brucee Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > 4.4BSD introduced the 'doc' macro package. It's a more structured > variant of the 'an' macro package. All the 4.4BSD man pages were changed > over to use -mdoc. > > Writing a Plan9 native set of 'doc' macros is on my todo list, but it's > not going to happen any time soon. (Although if a working troff pops up > in the ports CVS tree, this will become a much higher priority for me.) > > --lyndon From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 21:34:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 19:20:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f5aa32c_b547_11d8_92d5_00304828b574_13073; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:20:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70508344395 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f22670a_b547_11d8_855a_00304828b574_13070; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:20:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E7AE07580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3BF758106 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:20:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c23a6f4_b547_11d8_9046_00304828b574_13035; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:20:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D77344480 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 19:18:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 514918d0_b547_11d8_8186_00304828b574_10656; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:18:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7CD919DF9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:18:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD6AF19D7E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12559-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA3AC19D5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 06:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 958D46737D; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <067201c44953$7dd94240$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <1ce00a5bbc50a8af91b0c1966343ba44@mteege.de> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:14:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Yes!, mark and execute in any sam window maybe with an > execute key on keyboard. i can't actually believe i'm about to say this, but: button-1 to select and hold down and button-2 chord to execute it. i just thought of a problem, but: button 2: does a !text send in the command window button 3: text send in command window you want to be able to execute external as well as internal sam commands. i was thinking of Put and w and am not sure what stdin/stdout should be for external commands. this may require some thought. 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Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:21:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <068401c44953$f2eb8110$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> <1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu><2147483647.1086216202@[192.168.2.101]> <40BEF9AF.2000800@chunder.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:17:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > when in doubt avoid programs that start with 'g' ... except grep. i'm trying to think of a use for a GNU command that's called: gawd From brucee@chunder.com Thu Jun 3 21:34:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:28:28 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <233f8d3268127523d7cc1ca74eae6ecd@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:27:55 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <068401c44953$f2eb8110$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i'm trying to think of a use for a GNU command that's called: None, of course. ++L From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 21:34:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:30:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <069601c44955$4d2d9fe0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> <1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu><2147483647.1086216202@[192.168.2.101]> <40BEF9AF.2000800@chunder.com><068401c44953$f2eb8110$9a7e7d50@SOMA> <40BEFD7C.2070502@chunder.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:26:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > rue st gmartin, or grue st martin? grue could be some meta GPS mapping glop. damn, another one: glop From lucio@proxima.alt.za Thu Jun 3 21:34:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:31:44 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <1457d205e705261a5418a30764a4d6c8@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:31:11 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <064201c4494b$859c3bc0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > you could do %r as a cryptographic hash for translation. How about %#r returns a 32-bit binary, none too involved, hash? ++L From brucee@chunder.com Thu Jun 3 21:34:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 20:15:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 59e6a82e_b54f_11d8_9b10_00304828b574_25395; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:15:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51153452AA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:15:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 59b28ec2_b54f_11d8_9cea_00304828b574_25390; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:15:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CA7BC7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:15:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D09B7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:15:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5971a40c_b54f_11d8_924c_00304828b574_25387; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:15:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF8D3452AA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:15:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58b8777a_b54f_11d8_952a_00304828b574_25384; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:15:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2731419DD7 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64A4419B8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16045-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1F44319B78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 25204 invoked by uid 89); 3 Jun 2004 10:51:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 10:51:19 -0000 Message-ID: <40BF0920.2070401@chunder.com> Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:18:56 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net> <1276.63.165.50.175.1086204495.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu><2147483647.1086216202@[192.168.2.101]> <40BEF9AF.2000800@chunder.com><068401c44953$f2eb8110$9a7e7d50@SOMA> <40BEFD7C.2070502@chunder.com> <069601c44955$4d2d9fe0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> In-Reply-To: <069601c44955$4d2d9fe0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu lets get real and write "goo", oh that's gcc. (object oriented, works on some playforms with maximal pain.) boyd, rounin wrote: >>rue st gmartin, or grue st martin? > > grue > > could be some meta GPS mapping glop. damn, another one: > > glop From cej@gli.cas.cz Thu Jun 3 21:34:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 20:21:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25800796_b550_11d8_91d7_00304828b574_30154; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831F23452C0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 254e6434_b550_11d8_8e8e_00304828b574_30151; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 656097580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:21:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7817580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 250e3b3e_b550_11d8_9a66_00304828b574_30148; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:21:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDDD3452C1 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:21:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2454d9be_b550_11d8_8ae6_00304828b574_30140; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:21:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A24719DFF for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F4B619BC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16058-02-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0834319980 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:21:05 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:21:00 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design Thread-Index: AcRJXNlmR8Mn7l2BSmaT+0nvJRsRfQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > - how will one know what is the filename (pathname) for each window? > - in acme, just by looking into the tag line, i know i can run 'grep = XXXXX > *.c' on a particular window. how can i do it with this? if Acme remembers, which "normal frame" has been touched the last, [and = it does, doesn't it?] then it applies to it > - the (new) windows on the right are the ones used for tags and = commands. > now, how much space would they occupy?=20 as much as you wish, of course, as normal ones... > what happens when the pathnames and > commands are longer than the ones in the sample image? nothing, text wraps as in normal text frame... > - you have safely assumed there will be only one column (of windows). = what > happens when you have to have 2 or even 3 columns? even in 1024x768, = one > could manage with 2 columns. with your idea, wont it waste space? no. have as many cols as you wish [see Newcol] . New frame, like new = column, could appear just at the end, and zou could drag it anywhere. Perhaps the quick drawing was too simple, sorry for that. And, once = more, thanks for the debate. ++pac. From matthias@mteege.de Thu Jun 3 21:34:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 20:28:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e1012e8_b551_11d8_87fc_00304828b574_4602; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:28:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82FE34494D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:28:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1d6e1c40_b551_11d8_90de_00304828b574_4592; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:28:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0EB0F758100; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:28:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AE1758103 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:28:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c08648c_b551_11d8_8856_00304828b574_4577; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:28:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E3334494D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:25:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf3d0708_b550_11d8_9f46_00304828b574_1501; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:25:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EFF8019E09 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:25:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34B1B19C29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16045-02-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (unknown [82.149.227.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B15AC19BC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28914 invoked by uid 66); 3 Jun 2004 11:25:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 63045 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jun 2004 11:23:07 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 11:23:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 52399 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2004 11:23:05 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Jun 2004 11:23:05 -0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:22:21 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design In-Reply-To: <067201c44953$7dd94240$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i can't actually believe i'm about to say this, but: > > button-1 to select and hold down and button-2 chord to execute it. ;-) What I'm thinking about is to simple type somthing like that: "Dear customer, please pay < hoc -e '47.11 * 8.15' Euros, as fast as you can" and then mark '< hoc -e '47.11 * 8.15' and execute it in that way, that the result replaces the selection. This is somthing I can explain to a clerk. send a command to the command window without snarf/paste is a nice idea. Matthias From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 3 21:34:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 20:43:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d683bd8_b553_11d8_923a_00304828b574_21133; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:43:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB353441DE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:43:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2c2f5670_b553_11d8_93c9_00304828b574_21019; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:43:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DDB8F758125; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:42:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17C94758101 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:42:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f6334fc_b553_11d8_8e8f_00304828b574_20626; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:42:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E68344377 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:38:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9aa518de_b552_11d8_8b58_00304828b574_16044; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:39:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C035519E0E for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:38:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8705419C29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17192-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D46319BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC2406712D; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:38:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <06d501c4495e$c1cfefc0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:34:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What I'm thinking about is to simple type somthing like that: > > "Dear customer, please pay < hoc -e '47.11 * 8.15' Euros, as > fast as you can" yeah, i had thought of that. a1-2 chord would be nice. 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----=====219973574396982=_-- From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Fri Jun 4 00:05:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 21:38:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4568946_b55a_11d8_9794_00304828b574_2616; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74225345343 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f41dee42_b55a_11d8_9650_00304828b574_2613; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 63AF67580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:38:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F817580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3daf678_b55a_11d8_9676_00304828b574_2610; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:38:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7255345343 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:38:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2ff02ee_b55a_11d8_961c_00304828b574_2607; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:38:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D09A119E49 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:38:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0AF3A19DC9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21185-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E12C19C98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i53CcIVH010494 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i53CcHpI026753 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i53CcIk18396 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:38:18 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406031238.i53CcIk18396@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] unix acme (was: acme design) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:52:30 +0100." References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 14:38:18 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The only times I have difficulties with text length in tags is when > using acme under Unix, as I have less control over most of the > absolute filenames. And files under Unix tend to live in very deep > directory hierarchies. Which incidentally, led to the introduction of > the special way environment variables are used by wily. Just in case you were not already aware of it: the env var stuff can be found 'for reference' in the CVS repository of the unix port of acme. (it was added in one version and removed again in the next; I just applied the changes and it works fine) (until the latest port update when acme stopped working for me on sunos 5.8 -- I'm just using a slighly older ports version) I made one minor change to the unix acme-with-env-vars: I changed the sorting of the env vars, such that the env var matching the longest part of the file name gets used, instead of the env var with the shortest name. I send that fix to Russ, don't know if it got also added 'for reference' to the CVS repository - if you want it, let me know. Axel. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 22:43:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee3cd6d8_b563_11d8_9a27_00304828b574_27672; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:43:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B969B34538B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee0b9730_b563_11d8_8139_00304828b574_27669; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9A1B87580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:43:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5012E7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id edc9b9fa_b563_11d8_9bcc_00304828b574_27666; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535C234538B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:42:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed118d8a_b563_11d8_9b55_00304828b574_27663; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:42:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65DC319E22 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB54519DD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27777-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5AC8D19D9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <855f2a51294c4e27df6f583286e23e28@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:48:47 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <4d30561ec4fd4a26b45150a2416c002a@9srv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i been thinking that one way to make the filenames less obtrusive in acme would be to allow grouping of windows with a common path prefix. i quite often find myself working in, say /n/dump/2004/0529/usr/inferno/appl/cmd/scheduler/... and that really doesn't give much space for tag commands. i could imagine some kind of directory-tagged super-window in acme that contained other windows. windows inside it whose names were prefixed by their super-window's tag would show only a pathname relative to that directory. dragging a window outside would show the whole pathname again. looking at the acme window i'm writing this email in, this would save much space, and provide a reasonable way of organising windows too (i quite often find myself doing a Sort, or typing a full pathname and right-clicking on it, just to find a particular window). at least with something like this it would be possible to look at an acme window and work out where all the files are, something that's not possible with the env var hack, for instance. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 22:47:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a00a2ac_b564_11d8_93a7_00304828b574_31536; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:47:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171593453A5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:47:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89d029ce_b564_11d8_8188_00304828b574_31533; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:47:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E30BC7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7A87580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 898a4b16_b564_11d8_918f_00304828b574_31529; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31003453A5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:47:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 88d47836_b564_11d8_9435_00304828b574_31523; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DCB419E29 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:47:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0242F19DDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27784-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB3B519DD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <703a4adf4ecc19f3f95affeebef7cf13@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:53:15 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > having ordinary scrolling would be nice ;-) you do have "ordinary" scrolling - just use the middle button, as it says in the manual. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 22:49:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2793854_b564_11d8_8406_00304828b574_626; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4E03453B5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2470f6e_b564_11d8_8ef8_00304828b574_623; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5F85E7580F9; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140CB7580FA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2053e9a_b564_11d8_8c0b_00304828b574_620; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEC13453B5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:49:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e149cfc0_b564_11d8_8d67_00304828b574_616; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:49:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EBC519E27 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B13DF19A65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27777-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA97D19A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a15e66ba352a47776e1561e3a9256c0@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:55:44 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i said: : you do have "ordinary" scrolling - just use the middle button, : as it says in the manual. oops. i didn't understand the context of this (tag scrolling) until too late. sorry. as someone else said, if you want more text than will fit in a tag, just click on "New" and use it as a scratch window. there's not enough space in a tag for scrollbars. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 22:55:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be247274_b565_11d8_84df_00304828b574_5559; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09C4A3453C8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bdefc8b2_b565_11d8_8562_00304828b574_5556; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:55:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EABF77580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:55:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F2A7580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:55:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bdb6dc6e_b565_11d8_895f_00304828b574_5553; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:55:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F3DB3453C8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:55:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bcf05940_b565_11d8_97b1_00304828b574_5550; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:55:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C409419E30 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EE6119DE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27777-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD42219A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a8f5dee0a8d8ba7be23785692dd2317@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:01:47 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <4b34059e61c4f6071f83af2fb750cfe3@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > you return the %r chunk and then hash it into an associative array of translated messages, indexed by hash. no you couldn't, 'cos the kernel adds a filename for some error messages. was there a good reason why the filename was put in front of the error message rather than vice versa? it seems odd - it means you have to parse the error message, rather than just doing a strncmp, and you don't have to worry too much about the filename being truncated at the end. 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boundary="upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i assume because it reads better, in english anyway --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Jun 3 14:57:06 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4513A19E46 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EE6119DE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27777-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD42219A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a8f5dee0a8d8ba7be23785692dd2317@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:01:47 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <4b34059e61c4f6071f83af2fb750cfe3@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > you return the %r chunk and then hash it into an associative array of translated messages, indexed by hash. no you couldn't, 'cos the kernel adds a filename for some error messages. was there a good reason why the filename was put in front of the error message rather than vice versa? it seems odd - it means you have to parse the error message, rather than just doing a strncmp, and you don't have to worry too much about the filename being truncated at the end. --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs-- From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <077701c44973$fbbc12d0$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <4a8f5dee0a8d8ba7be23785692dd2317@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:06:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > you return the %r chunk and then hash it into an associative array of translated messages, indexed by hash. > > no you couldn't, 'cos the kernel adds a filename for some error messages. err, so change it. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:17:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c6eb2594_b568_11d8_8ecb_00304828b574_24913; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:17:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D194B3444BC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:17:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5e17ebe_b568_11d8_882a_00304828b574_24899; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:17:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1EC4D7580FD; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:17:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDA87580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:17:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4cd5264_b568_11d8_86d0_00304828b574_24886; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:17:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0408B3447EC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:13:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37636ba2_b568_11d8_9510_00304828b574_20633; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:13:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1566419E16 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AB0619B14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27283-02-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B554A199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62e4022c76189277635e462989273aaf@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:19:21 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <0cb1cff0f6c4661c7af319469e1f7c7c@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > i assume because it reads better, in english anyway this is a pity. i think something like: file does not exist: '/usr/rog/dvfgfdds' is just as readable, and adheres to the usual convention for cascading of error messages (most to least recent; truncation can occur at the end if necessary). it is sometimes necessary to have a program distinguish between error messages, and the way i've seen some programs deal with the current convention: n = sizeof " does not exist" - 1; if(strlen(e) > n && strcmp(strlen(e)-n, " does not exist")){ /* file does not exist */ } is just wrong. --upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Thu Jun 3 15:03:43 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D2DC19DFE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2238119A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27784-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 232E819DE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0cb1cff0f6c4661c7af319469e1f7c7c@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:54:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4a8f5dee0a8d8ba7be23785692dd2317@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+rog=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+rog=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i assume because it reads better, in english anyway --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Jun 3 14:57:06 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4513A19E46 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EE6119DE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27777-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD42219A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a8f5dee0a8d8ba7be23785692dd2317@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:01:47 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <4b34059e61c4f6071f83af2fb750cfe3@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > you return the %r chunk and then hash it into an associative array of translated messages, indexed by hash. no you couldn't, 'cos the kernel adds a filename for some error messages. was there a good reason why the filename was put in front of the error message rather than vice versa? it seems odd - it means you have to parse the error message, rather than just doing a strncmp, and you don't have to worry too much about the filename being truncated at the end. --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs-- --upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame-- From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:21:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5740a90c_b569_11d8_89cf_00304828b574_29264; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:21:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E0734444C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:21:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 570f812e_b569_11d8_9154_00304828b574_29261; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:21:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DB800758103; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:21:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA087758107 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:21:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54dfe024_b569_11d8_83fb_00304828b574_29225; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:21:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE2C34444C for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > no you couldn't, 'cos the kernel adds a filename for some error messages. > > err, so change it. it's good that it does add a filename, because otherwise you don't know where the problem is, particularly when you've got a system call (e.g. bind) which has two filename parameters. perhaps the convention could be "hash everything up to the first colon". that way you can include more detailed error reporting without sacrificing programmability. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:25:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7b45146_b569_11d8_984a_00304828b574_1367; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:25:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AAE344286 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:25:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e78049a0_b569_11d8_9595_00304828b574_1361; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:25:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 70756758109; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:25:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D89B7580FD for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:25:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e54be5fe_b569_11d8_8066_00304828b574_1330; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:25:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33133444CD for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:18:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee323d04_b568_11d8_91e5_00304828b574_25977; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:18:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 203A019BE6 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6944A19B14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27283-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9566199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i53EI804007580 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:18:09 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:17:35 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <855f2a51294c4e27df6f583286e23e28@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > looking at the acme window i'm writing this email in, this would save > much space, and provide a reasonable way of organising windows too (i > quite often find myself doing a Sort, or typing a full pathname and > right-clicking on it, just to find a particular window). I wonder if it would help any to keep the name of the most recently active window in the top tag bar and allow commands in that tag bar to apply to the window it indexes. Keeping focus is then harder, of course, but that has always been controversial anyway. ++L From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:28:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3be31310_b56a_11d8_8403_00304828b574_4323; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F8B3441E2 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ba63c38_b56a_11d8_87cc_00304828b574_4288; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3DD7758105; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:27:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0F6758101 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:27:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d8909aa_b56a_11d8_9182_00304828b574_3636; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:27:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADA834427C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91f13d46_b569_11d8_8119_00304828b574_31407; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9807119E2A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:23:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA57719B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:23:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27777-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7031E19B14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 426A867145 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <07a401c44975$b2d8f220$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <62e4022c76189277635e462989273aaf@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:18:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > is just wrong. apart from the potential right-to-left and Rune problems. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:28:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49da7e22_b56a_11d8_9566_00304828b574_4710; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C893441BA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49a6bb50_b56a_11d8_9299_00304828b574_4707; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 426E3758105; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A07758109 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 480443c6_b56a_11d8_853b_00304828b574_4688; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5D73443EA for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:27:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2bd9e0f2_b56a_11d8_948b_00304828b574_3606; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:27:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CAA2819C0B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:27:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A7D7919BBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00957-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C929319B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7232fed389318b5949e6e2a32b34d44f@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:33:34 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <07a401c44975$b2d8f220$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > is just wrong. > > apart from the potential right-to-left and Rune problems. i don't think there are any Rune problems with that code. it will correctly match any string ending in " does not exist" (unless i got off-by-one, which is entirely possible). From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:28:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a3d8864_b56a_11d8_8a54_00304828b574_4719; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF413441E2 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a0551ec_b56a_11d8_80c1_00304828b574_4713; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BCDED7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031F67580FB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 48ce9d92_b56a_11d8_8fbf_00304828b574_4698; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBF7344326 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:28:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 456ec924_b56a_11d8_9af1_00304828b574_4658; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:28:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B878219E0C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10C6D19C65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01548-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 752D119BE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37863ee75a2aff3b402ba65d559d7e06@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:34:15 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I wonder if it would help any to keep the name of the most recently > active window in the top tag bar and allow commands in that tag bar to > apply to the window it indexes. Keeping focus is then harder, of > course, but that has always been controversial anyway. this would only rarely be useful to me. (although it would be nice to have some visual indiciation of the "current" window - i was quite perplexed recently when clicking on Zerox in a window's tag Zeroxed some *other* window... at least Edit doesn't work like this) it's the fact that i can't have narrow columns when i'm working with deep filenames that gets to me. From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jun 4 00:05:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:32:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d052d7b0_b56a_11d8_96e2_00304828b574_7770; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:32:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A475344458 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:32:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0208e4a_b56a_11d8_8468_00304828b574_7767; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:32:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E957E7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:32:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01527580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:32:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfe597f4_b56a_11d8_88df_00304828b574_7762; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:32:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96489344458 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:32:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf253c02_b56a_11d8_9ca9_00304828b574_7759; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:32:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDCF619E3D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:32:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2AC419BBF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01548-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA0F019B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i53EVn04007716 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:31:50 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:31:17 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <07a401c44975$b2d8f220$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > apart from the potential right-to-left and Rune problems. I'd expect rtl to be represented start-to-end rather than mirror image as you imply. I never thought about it before. As for runes, if you know what you're looking for, all you want is identity. But it doesn't scale to generic message checking. ++L From robpike@gmail.com Fri Jun 4 00:05:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 3 23:53:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c33ca080_b56d_11d8_9654_00304828b574_24197; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:53:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C7A344CFB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:53:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c308805c_b56d_11d8_8daf_00304828b574_24194; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:53:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7352D7580FA; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:53:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 284C77580F9 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:53:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c2cb9494_b56d_11d8_9f55_00304828b574_24191; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:53:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF51344CFB for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:53:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c2160a84_b56d_11d8_8d46_00304828b574_24188; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 23:53:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 58CD219E44 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:53:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D687619D18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01548-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C44CE19C98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so332830rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 07:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.120.80 with SMTP id s80mr266693cwc; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 07:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904060307536cf69691@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 07:53:00 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: <1457d205e705261a5418a30764a4d6c8@proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1457d205e705261a5418a30764a4d6c8@proxima.alt.za> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > How about %#r returns a 32-bit binary, none too involved, hash? 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From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jun 4 00:05:37 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:02:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 18985ad2_b56f_11d8_934f_00304828b574_32515; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:02:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB00344488 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17dc934c_b56f_11d8_922d_00304828b574_32508; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4C4C67580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:02:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FE07580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:02:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1722708e_b56f_11d8_888e_00304828b574_32502; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:02:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6E1344488 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:02:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 15c0e626_b56f_11d8_9dd7_00304828b574_32498; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:02:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 351D819E33 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:02:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B692C19DF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05661-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B2B319B12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:58:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <62e4022c76189277635e462989273aaf@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-njiylrfxrbhwgebyqrqgthxowt" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-njiylrfxrbhwgebyqrqgthxowt Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think i might have used strstr. ok, i suppose you might have a file with 'does not exist' in its name, but i can't say i lose much sleep over it. could use strqstr to look outside quotes i suppose. also, in term% ls /sys/src/cm/db ls: /sys/src/cm/db: '/sys/src/cm/db' does not exist if it were ls: /sys/src/cm/db: file does not exist: '/sys/src/cm/db' i'd find it a little odd to read, myself, although again i can't get too worked up about it. in APE's case i suspect i'd settle for putting the most common error strings at the front, on the grounds that most applications stop processing once an error occurs anyhow, except for access/open/exec/stat when used to search for something. (so do the check for `does not exist' or `no permission' early.) is this worry the result of having profiled something important? i vaguely remember from my time fighting it that gcc's cpp causes the computer to wade through pages of filth to get anywhere when doing the search lists for #include but there's much more to slow you down in that thing. perhaps like Linus's scheduler someone has finally done the decent thing? anyhow: IS there a real cause to worry about APE's string -> errno translation speed based on (say) a profile of an application, or is it conjecture? --upas-njiylrfxrbhwgebyqrqgthxowt Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Jun 3 15:14:48 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C171B19BE6 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AB0619B14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27283-02-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B554A199F2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <62e4022c76189277635e462989273aaf@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:19:21 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <0cb1cff0f6c4661c7af319469e1f7c7c@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > i assume because it reads better, in english anyway this is a pity. i think something like: file does not exist: '/usr/rog/dvfgfdds' is just as readable, and adheres to the usual convention for cascading of error messages (most to least recent; truncation can occur at the end if necessary). it is sometimes necessary to have a program distinguish between error messages, and the way i've seen some programs deal with the current convention: n = sizeof " does not exist" - 1; if(strlen(e) > n && strcmp(strlen(e)-n, " does not exist")){ /* file does not exist */ } is just wrong. --upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Thu Jun 3 15:03:43 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D2DC19DFE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:58:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2238119A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27784-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 232E819DE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0cb1cff0f6c4661c7af319469e1f7c7c@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:54:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4a8f5dee0a8d8ba7be23785692dd2317@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+rog=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+rog=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i assume because it reads better, in english anyway --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Jun 3 14:57:06 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4513A19E46 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7EE6119DE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27777-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD42219A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a8f5dee0a8d8ba7be23785692dd2317@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:01:47 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <4b34059e61c4f6071f83af2fb750cfe3@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > you return the %r chunk and then hash it into an associative array of translated messages, indexed by hash. no you couldn't, 'cos the kernel adds a filename for some error messages. was there a good reason why the filename was put in front of the error message rather than vice versa? it seems odd - it means you have to parse the error message, rather than just doing a strncmp, and you don't have to worry too much about the filename being truncated at the end. --upas-kjxrucklxhyfmftgvdfaaeuoqs-- --upas-qjpzgfqamizweevmlpzhbupame-- --upas-njiylrfxrbhwgebyqrqgthxowt-- From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:05:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <07c101c4497b$a7fc9590$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <1457d205e705261a5418a30764a4d6c8@proxima.alt.za> <7359f04904060307536cf69691@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:01:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > unix says 'bus error'; plan 9 tells you the pc of > the fault, or in other cases the file name that failed, the > fp trap condition, and so on and so on. it's not some > set of 23 errors; it's a huge informative space. why give that > up? i wasn't advocating that. the core messages such as 'bus error' (or whatever) can be translated. the pc or fp error codes are gonna be a) not useful to translate or b) impossible to translate. i 'spose you could return numeric info in roman numerals, but ... ;) From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jun 4 15:27:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:06:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a83c2c0_b56f_11d8_9ec4_00304828b574_3306; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:06:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37180345482 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:06:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a4dd7a0_b56f_11d8_818b_00304828b574_3303; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:06:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 23FF57580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:06:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B417580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:06:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a19a70a_b56f_11d8_8ce2_00304828b574_3300; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:06:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE79A345482 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:06:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 99599104_b56f_11d8_855e_00304828b574_3297; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:06:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04A2C19E5C for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:06:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BAAB19E35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05658-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C1C419E47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i53F5S04007960 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:05:38 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:04:53 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <7359f04904060307536cf69691@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i am confused. what about all that information you can have > because it's a string, things that very from invocation to > invocation? unix says 'bus error'; plan 9 tells you the pc of > the fault, or in other cases the file name that failed, the > fp trap condition, and so on and so on. it's not some > set of 23 errors; it's a huge informative space. why give that > up? Because there is madness at the end of that road, too? Yes, that is all extremely human-friendly, but one can't invest infinite amounts of computing power in interpreting error messages that do not reach the user. Or that the user is going to ignore anyway. I guess my faith in artificial intelligence is not sufficient and my impression is that computing devices are beginning to communicate with each other and don't cope well with fuzzy completion messages. Once again, my opinion is that errors ought to be reported as concisely as possible within ambiguity constrains and that it ought to be possible to request the additional details separately. But I seem to be in a minority. ++L From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:11:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41a9acae_b570_11d8_9e17_00304828b574_7166; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6863345502 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41781afe_b570_11d8_8c0a_00304828b574_7163; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 874457580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F08A7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 41376f54_b570_11d8_8bec_00304828b574_7160; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463A3345502 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 401d12f4_b570_11d8_80b7_00304828b574_7082; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEBE319E55 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:11:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0416419DE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05659-01-25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A743219DE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2036d77fc199ee230fdb203658fec578@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:17:03 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i think i might have used strstr. > ok, i suppose you might have a file with 'does not exist' in its name, it's not this. it's when you have error messages that contain other error messages, e.g. cannot allocate resource: '/x/y' does not exist here the relevant error message is "cannot allocate resource". the rest is useful for tracking down the problem (and hence is worth including), but isn't directly relevant to a program interested in finding out the primary meaning of the error message. From a@9srv.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:11:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56d9a944_b570_11d8_80f3_00304828b574_7211; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323AA345508 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56a403fc_b570_11d8_84fc_00304828b574_7205; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C60C7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C179F7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56659644_b570_11d8_9cd8_00304828b574_7199; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E93345500 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:11:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 55adfdcc_b570_11d8_899d_00304828b574_7195; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:11:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF9D219DF5 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:11:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DD9519B12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05659-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD99819AF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:59:26 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu // the list will always take you to the correct // place [current window?], won't it? i just don't see how. i mean at a functional level - like, what's the thing *do*? highlight the file my cursor's over? what's the behavior? // cursor position | highlighting in "listing/tag window" not sufficient? nope. i want to know by looking at the window i'm typing in, or as close to it as possible. not some (mentally) unrelated window in another Col. it's not so much an issue while i'm typing, but when i'm switching from one win to another, how do i know where to move my mouse? // use last "ordinary window" [for execution] ... i think i don't think that'll work. if i'm editing a window at the top of a Col and the "tag" window is at the botom of the Col, or two Cols over, how do i get to it without mousing over another normal window? or do i have to make some manual change before i can edit that window? // isn't a tag "line" a special frame that [currently] behaves // differently from "normal" one?? yes, which is exactly why i said it was a reasonable thing to question. i'd be interested in ways to structure things that don't have this modality in them. but i certainly can't come up with one. // my "tag frame" i think could behave just normal except for auto-highlighting or some other indication method, and automatically updating itself for the list of open files (hopefully!). and how would i refer to it? how would i Put it? // as much as you wish, of course, as normal ones... this is space-ineffecient. i'd always be resizing it. the current window tags are (intentionally or no) optimized for the small data they contain (perhaps too much, hence the splinter-thread about scrolling). From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jun 4 15:27:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:14:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b51dc742_b570_11d8_93f1_00304828b574_9438; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF9934551A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b4eaeee4_b570_11d8_892f_00304828b574_9435; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:14:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3B2DA7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:14:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40E67580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b4a80822_b570_11d8_87d5_00304828b574_9432; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB8234551A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:14:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b3e7ecf4_b570_11d8_83db_00304828b574_9429; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11A8A19CE8 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C8C219AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05661-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4240E19AAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i53FDh04008100 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:13:53 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:13:09 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > anyhow: IS there a real cause to worry about APE's string -> errno > translation speed based on (say) a profile of an application, or is > it conjecture? Well, the particular instance that raised it was tmpnam() where access() is being used to determine whether a filename is already in use. access() spends an inordinate amount of time trying to return an error code that is never going to be used. That bothered me. The other place is the return code in wait() which seems very important to Tcl. Here, I'm trying to reduce the number of test failures, specially when they don't seem unavoidable, at first at least. My current problem is only tangentially related to error codes, as I can't seem to get waitpid() to behave closely enough to its Unix equivalent. ++L From robpike@gmail.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:16:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fdcc14a8_b570_11d8_91ea_00304828b574_11021; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:16:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C40034552C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:16:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd997692_b570_11d8_80fc_00304828b574_11018; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:16:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2C4857580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:16:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDEE87580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd5818dc_b570_11d8_945f_00304828b574_11015; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D559934552C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:16:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc9c46e8_b570_11d8_9ee5_00304828b574_11012; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:16:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8936719E55 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:16:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E664319B12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05661-01-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A6B0419AB1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so334348rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.35 with SMTP id p35mr256340cwc; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 08:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f049040603081676be64a6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:16:09 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Because there is madness at the end of that road, too? why? > Yes, that is all extremely human-friendly, but one can't invest > infinite amounts of computing power in interpreting error messages > that do not reach the user. Or that the user is going to ignore > anyway. what are you talking about? > Once again, my opinion is that errors ought to be reported as > concisely as possible within ambiguity constrains and that it ought to > be possible to request the additional details separately. But I seem > to be in a minority. as concisely as possible is '23'. are you advocating that? the errors are there *for the user*, not for programs. corrupting a system that works hard -- and mostly successfully -- to deliver clear, helpful, detailed error messages, in order to make some bastard subsystem spend less CPU time *for users accustomed to unhelpful messages* (for such is unix's lot) is perverse. APE can go jump in a lake. -rob From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:25:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d41c14a_b572_11d8_8145_00304828b574_18203; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:25:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3464A345566 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:25:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d05a336_b572_11d8_8eba_00304828b574_18200; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:25:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1D3147580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:25:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C728C7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:25:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3cc8ca56_b572_11d8_8fa0_00304828b574_18197; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:25:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E33345566 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c103cb6_b572_11d8_97cd_00304828b574_18194; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:25:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0120419E5D for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DE9019DF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05659-01-47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4DCD719E00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B8A56727B; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <07d501c4497e$58705400$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:20:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Subject: [9fans] internationalised error messages X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Because there is madness at the end of that road, too? no, rob is right. _core_ textual error messages are extensable and loss of information is unacceptable. send along the, say english, text and crytpographically hash it and then look up the hash in your table for whatever the language is you wanna translate it into. if you get a miss, examine the english text and add in a new message (by hand). From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:28:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa58d138_b572_11d8_83d4_00304828b574_20496; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:28:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DFF345577 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:28:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa1ac640_b572_11d8_810d_00304828b574_20493; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:28:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1911F7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:28:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC16B7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9df7338_b572_11d8_89bb_00304828b574_20490; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCB5345577 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:28:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a92773d2_b572_11d8_8b13_00304828b574_20487; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:28:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 809AF19E85 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:28:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37F4419E10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05661-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C5FC19DF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:33:59 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <7359f049040603081676be64a6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > the errors are there *for the user*, not for programs. IMO it is useful, occasionally, for a program to be able to distinguish between classes of error. but perhaps you disagree? From kiwane@mac.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:43:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d26c1ca0_b574_11d8_820e_00304828b574_2581; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:43:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CD23441B1 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:43:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d239f69e_b574_11d8_8415_00304828b574_2578; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:43:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AFCC57580FD; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:43:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724467580FF for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:43:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfcdecb2_b574_11d8_9c3c_00304828b574_2546; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:43:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B793447C4 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:38:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0edfed84_b574_11d8_8ccb_00304828b574_29527; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:38:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E8D119E91 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:38:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBC1B19B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05658-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.85]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DFCD19B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i53Fc6nR002844 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([202.164.79.153]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i53Fc5w2005311 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 08:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: <37863ee75a2aff3b402ba65d559d7e06@vitanuova.com> References: <37863ee75a2aff3b402ba65d559d7e06@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: kiwane@mac.com Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:38:00 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On 2004/06/03, at 23:34, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > it's the fact that i can't have narrow columns when i'm working with > deep filenames that gets to me. A tag is defined to be single-lined. How about changing it to be multi-lined? (but no scroll bar, perhaps) -- kazumi From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:46:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21352d54_b575_11d8_9442_00304828b574_5359; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:46:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA43934437C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2100db76_b575_11d8_8e44_00304828b574_5354; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7CB79758100; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:46:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58323758106 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:46:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e667ea2_b575_11d8_8c51_00304828b574_5051; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:46:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4DD344387 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:40:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46797d8c_b574_11d8_8d1e_00304828b574_30765; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:40:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5407019E61 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38F3219B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05753-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A27A419E1B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <854d81fc86c45cd80215fb9822c8747f@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:45:56 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > A tag is defined to be single-lined. How about changing it to be > multi-lined? (but no scroll bar, perhaps) a slippery slope... From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jun 4 15:27:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:49:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8823f5fe_b575_11d8_81aa_00304828b574_8359; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:49:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EA83444C4 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:49:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87df3dc4_b575_11d8_9fa0_00304828b574_8331; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:49:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3CEAE7580FB; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:48:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCC47580FE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83284316_b575_11d8_9572_00304828b574_8269; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:48:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45473449A4 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:42:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9306d960_b574_11d8_87a5_00304828b574_952; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:42:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B24C919E22 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:42:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFB9619C4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05661-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21E4E19B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i53FfE04008476 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:41:25 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <94c2b292277a59c66ae80f4877e1ab8e@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:39 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <7359f049040603081676be64a6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> Because there is madness at the end of that road, too? > > why? > Well, not all error conditions require an unfamiliar user to attend to them in great detail. In particular, by making each error message extremely "clear, helpful and detailed" one is targeting an audience that may be thoroughly disinterested. >> Yes, that is all extremely human-friendly, but one can't invest >> infinite amounts of computing power in interpreting error messages >> that do not reach the user. Or that the user is going to ignore >> anyway. > > what are you talking about? > There are very few instances where MS Windows error pop-ups actually say "Press RESET". Some of them suggest it indirectly. Yet, largely, pressing the RESET button is in my experience what the user does in response to error message with the slightest technological slant. >> Once again, my opinion is that errors ought to be reported as >> concisely as possible within ambiguity constrains and that it ought to >> be possible to request the additional details separately. But I seem >> to be in a minority. > > as concisely as possible is '23'. are you advocating that? I would be, if it wasn't already taken. What I don't want is a message that requires me to use the google search engine (yes, I know it's a cheap shot) to locate the knowledge base information that tells me there is a bug in the program I'm using. I'm suggesting that a help system that can explain, on demand, what might have triggered an error condition may be preferable to being offered two paragraphs of explanations that I have little use or understanding for. But providing such a help system is very difficult if each error return is subtly differently worded from its immediate neighbour that attempts to convey the same information. > the errors are there *for the user*, not for programs. > corrupting a system that works hard -- and mostly > successfully -- to deliver clear, helpful, detailed error > messages, in order to make some bastard subsystem > spend less CPU time *for users accustomed to unhelpful > messages* (for such is unix's lot) is perverse. > Oh, I have no doubt I'm perverse. But that does not mean that there aren't different ways to see this issue, depending on what one's objectives and possibly principles are. > APE can go jump in a lake. > It's a stepping stone, dropping it in depths of the lake is not going to help in crossing the lake without getting wet (facetious reference to ability to walk on water omitted). ++L From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:51:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1082064_b575_11d8_90ee_00304828b574_11657; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859FB34417F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0d74926_b575_11d8_89b9_00304828b574_11650; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DB042758107; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:51:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C16AA75810F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:51:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0e4c7c8_b575_11d8_9b77_00304828b574_10800; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:51:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F7D344596 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:47:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56fc9c38_b575_11d8_94b8_00304828b574_6984; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:47:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2E6219CDC for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:47:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F403719CDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05661-01-90 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C595419AC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.154]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EFE99671E2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <07fc01c44981$1bc3eb90$9a7e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:40:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > but perhaps you disagree? perhaps the should only return BROKEN and tell the user instead of the ECALLBACKINAWHILEIFYOURFEELINGLUCKYPUNK ... ? From lucio@proxima.alt.za Fri Jun 4 15:27:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 00:59:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09657222_b577_11d8_940d_00304828b574_18133; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:59:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C953444D2 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09337682_b577_11d8_84ca_00304828b574_18130; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9C8FD7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:59:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CAE7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 08f31312_b577_11d8_8127_00304828b574_18127; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473DD3444D2 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 083237dc_b577_11d8_8c45_00304828b574_18124; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 00:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FEC819E72 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 775F319E00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06782-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cackle.proxima.alt.za (cackle.proxima.alt.za [196.30.44.141]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 505DA19D44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 11:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from huddle.proxima.alt.za (prawn.iba.co.za [192.168.30.22]) by cackle.proxima.alt.za (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i53Fx004008576 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:59:10 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] GNU Make Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:58:25 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: <07fc01c44981$1bc3eb90$9a7e7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > perhaps the should only return BROKEN and tell the user instead of the ECALLBACKINAWHILEIFYOURFEELINGLUCKYPUNK ... ? They _do_ return BROKEN, that's what the "error" condition conveys. Now we need to discuss how to represent the particular error condition involved and to what extent. In my opinion, it is desirable to be able to express the details in more than one language, one of the languages being that understood by Unix. To this end, my preference is for a documented, disciplined message format. Such a message format would make it possible to express all available details _and_ still provide a more general (the class that rog mentions) index for circumstances when the details are not important. The APE simplification then falls out automatically. ++L From forsyth@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 01:06:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0b1ebc62_b578_11d8_8d7e_00304828b574_23858; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:06:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F63D344747 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:06:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0aea236c_b578_11d8_8996_00304828b574_23855; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:06:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0C08B7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:06:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77347580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:06:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ab094c6_b578_11d8_8459_00304828b574_23852; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:06:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EA3344747 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:06:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09f7cca2_b578_11d8_9b42_00304828b574_23848; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:06:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77EC019E57 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:06:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9BCEE19BE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06782-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD4B519B64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67be9cab86bd47c174c4648830ecf38b@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:12:12 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) In-Reply-To: <2036d77fc199ee230fdb203658fec578@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>cannot allocate resource: '/x/y' does not exist i'm not sure that was a good example. especially in the APE context, and perhaps not just there, i'd have said that ENOENT was fine. that's why it ultimately couldn't allocate the resource, and being the underlying error, could be regarded as the more important aspect or at least equally important in this case. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 01:13:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8be9c5e_b578_11d8_9b0c_00304828b574_29394; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:13:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0A3344D16 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e88183e6_b578_11d8_99cd_00304828b574_29387; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BEA597580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:13:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7931D7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8444544_b578_11d8_8ec8_00304828b574_29350; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:13:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733B1344D16 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:13:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7864b0c_b578_11d8_9e61_00304828b574_29279; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:13:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C8E2719E82 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:13:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1A5219D19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05753-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3E4319C2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7ccb1b5dbf5f23fc0650cdf24510eb9d@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:18:59 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <67be9cab86bd47c174c4648830ecf38b@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >>cannot allocate resource: '/x/y' does not exist > > i'm not sure that was a good example. > > especially in the APE context, and perhaps not just there, > i'd have said that ENOENT was fine. that's why it ultimately > couldn't allocate the resource, and being the underlying error, > could be regarded as the more important aspect or at least equally important > in this case. i was imagining this might happen when opening a "clone" file for example. the error is not that the file itself does not exist (it does) but that the thing serving the file encountered an error when trying to open it. the text after the colon describes the reason for that error (which happened to involve another file '/x/y'). it would be misleading for APE to report ENOENT in this case, i think. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 01:22:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42b039ce_b57a_11d8_90b5_00304828b574_4692; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:22:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FB1344D5B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:22:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 427e6660_b57a_11d8_8bac_00304828b574_4688; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:22:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3C5E97580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:22:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E68A57580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:22:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 423da7a6_b57a_11d8_92ad_00304828b574_4682; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:22:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7CA344D5B for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:22:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4185d96e_b57a_11d8_9b0b_00304828b574_4676; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:22:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB77B19E5B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:22:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D65B919A27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06620-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DFCC19A8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <843a3575a6a686d2a306c699dc686407@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:18:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7ccb1b5dbf5f23fc0650cdf24510eb9d@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i think you need to look at /sys/include/ape/errno.h and /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/stdio/strerror.c to see just how limited your choice will be! there are a few other than EIO you might pick but as it happens, programs that check for them will have a more precise cause in mind, and the corresponding strings would be much more misleading than plain ENOENT. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 01:32:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a894f346_b57b_11d8_86f7_00304828b574_13579; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:32:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C884E344DAD for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:32:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a86437ce_b57b_11d8_8df3_00304828b574_13576; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:32:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id ACA5B7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:32:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644B77580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:32:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a825914a_b57b_11d8_9bf9_00304828b574_13573; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:32:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C7D344DAD for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:32:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a76e1c5e_b57b_11d8_88c7_00304828b574_13568; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:32:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31B5619E93 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36ADC19BA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17338-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6052719D2B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <67ce99a249859a0d4c3cd4502752ea7a@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:38:34 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <843a3575a6a686d2a306c699dc686407@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu EIO might be better for unknown error codes than ENOENT. as far as i remember, most error codes in unix were either EINVAL or EIO... a brief glance at the read(2) man page under bsd: [EINVAL] The pointer associated with d was negative. [EINVAL] Iovcnt was less than or equal to 0, or greater than 16. [EINVAL] One of the iov_len values in the iov array was negative. [EINVAL] The sum of the iov_len values in the iov array overflowed a 32-bit integer. [EINVAL] The specified file offset is invalid. oh joy. From forsyth@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 01:52:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5feda554_b57e_11d8_8baa_00304828b574_29125; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FEF3455D6 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5fbcbe26_b57e_11d8_8d00_00304828b574_29122; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4BDA07580FB; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E657580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:52:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f7cd428_b57e_11d8_92e5_00304828b574_29119; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063AA3455D6 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:52:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ec43d00_b57e_11d8_853f_00304828b574_29101; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:52:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFC0B19EDE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:51:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D465519D33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18233-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21C5D19D21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2131834db7e388c1421257a88de93231@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 17:56:49 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) In-Reply-To: <67ce99a249859a0d4c3cd4502752ea7a@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>EIO might be better for unknown error codes than ENOENT. [EIO] An I/O error occurred while making the directory entry or allocating the inode for O_CREAT. not really, since EIO would tend to suggest suggest (almost certainly to a unix man and perhaps even me as well if i were to read it) an actual error on a device (eg, bad block on drive), not an inability to open an underlying file, and any programs that checked for it would probably place that interpretation on it too. at least ENOENT is honest when a file somewhere can't be accessed. you'd be better off with EGREG (``something has happened that our little APE can't communicate''), except that's not portable. at any rate, it should be easier to see now why trying hard to change things to make APE happy is not likely to produce the hoped-for joy and contentment. it's not that there aren't enough integers in the world, more that only a tiny subset is available as E numbers. even with the extended non-portable set in real Unix kernels the E choice is pathetic for the things drivers might like to say. of course, that does indeed lead to much tugging on hair and chins, whilst trying to work out why a particular call failed. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 01:59:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d0752a8_b57f_11d8_8233_00304828b574_2885; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:59:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFBC34448C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:59:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c52fbb4_b57f_11d8_97b2_00304828b574_2878; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:59:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C02EC7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:59:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9DC758105 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:59:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5beaec72_b57f_11d8_9371_00304828b574_2874; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:59:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE97C344FDF for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:58:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2bb404ee_b57f_11d8_8afb_00304828b574_931; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 01:58:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD3CC19E35 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:57:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84AA519ACE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:57:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18233-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:57:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE45619AD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 12:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003e7da79c09489e15f99daaae69ed32@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:03:53 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <2131834db7e388c1421257a88de93231@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > at any rate, it should be easier to see now why trying hard to change > things to make APE happy is not likely to produce the hoped-for joy and contentment. to be honest i wasn't really thinking about the APE world. i was thinking about how programs in the plan 9/inferno world might find out about particular classes of error that they care about. this: nonexistent(e: string): int { errs := array[] of {"does not exist", "directory entry not found"}; for (i := 0; i < len errs; i++){ j := len errs[i]; if (j <= len e && e[len e-j:] == errs[i]) return 1; } return 0; } is not good enough. From forsyth@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 02:13:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53d88c54_b581_11d8_8210_00304828b574_18476; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9587634434C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:13:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53a40d26_b581_11d8_8917_00304828b574_18470; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:13:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 55E7C7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:13:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C85675810D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:13:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ea78cd0_b581_11d8_8f04_00304828b574_18407; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:13:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDE734451A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:10:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e59e5e4e_b580_11d8_96eb_00304828b574_14913; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:10:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6992419E46 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:10:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1750A19C39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07740-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3901A19B8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4b6e1908cbc6ec08378bf1eeedcada6d@vitanuova.com> From: C H Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:15:38 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) In-Reply-To: <003e7da79c09489e15f99daaae69ed32@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>[nonexistent(e)] is not good enough. for the particular error you described: a clone file can't be opened because an underlying file didn't exist (that was what the message said), i'd have said it was as good as any. things like nonexistent tend to be used by programs searching for files, so i don't see the problem in that application. even if they are hunting for clone files, it would work, because the name mumble/clone will exist; it will fail on open. all i said was your example didn't seem a good one. i didn't say you couldn't produce a better one, just that you hadn't yet. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 02:19:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a1c5ff2_b582_11d8_9e9a_00304828b574_23324; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE13344980 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29eae3fa_b582_11d8_9657_00304828b574_23321; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EFE1B7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:19:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54F27580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:19:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29a8c9f2_b582_11d8_84c6_00304828b574_23318; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:19:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B86344980 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 02:19:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28ecf218_b582_11d8_96d7_00304828b574_23315; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:19:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C93C719E83 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:19:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1826619D21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07740-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EE1419D2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 13:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:25:10 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <4b6e1908cbc6ec08378bf1eeedcada6d@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > things like nonexistent tend to be used by programs searching > for files, so i don't see the problem in that application. > even if they are hunting for clone files, it would work, because > the name mumble/clone will exist; it will fail on open. the problem comes when it does something inappropriate based on the judgement it's just made. in the program from which that fragment came, it does: rfd = sys->open(path, omode); err = sprint("%r"); if (rfd == nil && nonexistent(err)) { rfd = sys->create(path, omode, 8r666); err = nil; } which might give surprising behaviour, given the error message in question. then again, maybe it's wrong for it to be trying to make that judgement at all. From a@9srv.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 03:39:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56ea45b6_b58d_11d8_8355_00304828b574_27466; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:39:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66AE34464E for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:39:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56b9616c_b58d_11d8_9328_00304828b574_27463; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:39:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9B86D7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:39:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D5A7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:39:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5674e118_b58d_11d8_8d27_00304828b574_27460; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:39:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4CB34464E for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 03:39:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 55bd539a_b58d_11d8_8105_00304828b574_27457; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:39:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9BB819E80 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:39:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9FEC19B0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08720-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 21FCD19B78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64fa37cd072c69240531b65ffb6950c9@9srv.net> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:17:06 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] mk bug(s?) in plan9ports X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i've found at least one bug in the plan9ports mk. it (mk, not the bug) claims to have come from Inferno, and russ wants packaging bug reports, and it's in the plan9ports tree, so i don't know who should really get the bug, but here you go. first, the one i'm pretty sure of: when using a regular-expression rule as a target, you need to do \\1 for the () substitution in the prereq, rather than \1, as in plan 9 and sam. second, and a bigger deal, mk seems to just get things wrong given nested virtual rules. i have a target "push" which does "nuke export upload". nuke is just one rm, upload is just one scp; export is a virtual target for "foo.export bar.export baz.export". each of those do some queries and then post-process the results. foo.export has a foo.txt target. %.txt relies on %.pre, and does sed -e 'something' < $prereq > $target. %.pre has no prerequisites and just does a DB query and puts the results in %target. doing "mk export" gets all this right; doing "mk push" does the nuke, generates all the %.pre files, then immediatly tries to do the upload (which fails). what's (perhaps) interesting is that doing "mk -n push" claims it'll do the right thing. this seems like a pretty substantial bug, unless i'm missing something. neither of these two bugs exhibit themselves using mk on plan9. third, and i'm less confident this is a bug, mk seems to get stuck on the existance of files at invocation, rather than when a rule is run. that is, in the above example, if the prerequisites for export are up to date before the nuke is run (which removes them), it believes they still are when it gets to the export. i wasn't able to compare the behavior here to my plan9 box. any pointers or assistence will be very much appreciated. a (oh, this is all on OS X using a copy with May 14 as the most recent date in the CHANGES file - is there a more accurate way to version them?) From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 04:13:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 19a9ba74_b592_11d8_8c6b_00304828b574_23306; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:13:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF4634578C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:13:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1976f904_b592_11d8_9452_00304828b574_23299; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:13:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A12275810A; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:13:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6BE7580FF for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17845268_b592_11d8_861f_00304828b574_23275; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:13:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70063345793 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:12:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id faece85e_b591_11d8_98b7_00304828b574_22216; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:12:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D53B719E3F for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:12:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC9DC19B2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03157-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FCF519AEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.99]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D08A767213 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:12:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000c01c4499e$39145230$637f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <67ce99a249859a0d4c3cd4502752ea7a@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:08:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > as far as i remember, most error codes in unix were > either EINVAL or EIO... bzzzzt! no From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 04:14:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 435823c4_b592_11d8_9023_00304828b574_24165; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:14:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D40345798 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:14:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 432242ea_b592_11d8_85ae_00304828b574_24162; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:14:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 455167580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:14:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFBE7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:14:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42e82394_b592_11d8_9710_00304828b574_24159; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:14:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F214D345798 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:14:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 422f317c_b592_11d8_8ea7_00304828b574_24154; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:14:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2AA0919E31 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:14:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4063119B78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00159-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AF2419B2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.99]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A751378FF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:14:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001801c4499e$8220e1f0$637f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <003e7da79c09489e15f99daaae69ed32@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:10:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > is not good enough. nah, linear search. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 04:30:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78acacb4_b594_11d8_9f24_00304828b574_4946; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:30:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C58345969 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:30:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7879fff8_b594_11d8_9961_00304828b574_4943; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:30:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B24697580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:30:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEAB7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:30:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 783b8002_b594_11d8_985b_00304828b574_4940; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:30:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F8F345969 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:30:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 777a6ad4_b594_11d8_9daf_00304828b574_4936; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:30:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00E3B19EB0 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:30:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE1A819C33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03157-01-93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B446B19B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:35:38 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c4499e$39145230$637f7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > as far as i remember, most error codes in unix were > > either EINVAL or EIO... > > bzzzzt! no well, i might have exaggerated a little, but a quick poke around the bsd man pages gives me the following percentages (of all error codes mentioned, 1129 total): 13.55 EINVAL 10.36 EFAULT 7.09 EIO 6.82 EACCES 6.64 EPERM 5.49 EBADF 4.87 ENOENT 4.51 ENOTDIR 4.25 ELOOP 4.25 ENAMETOOLONG 3.37 EROFS 2.39 EAGAIN [...] so EINVAL and EIO are definitely up there. EFAULT pretty much always means the same thing, so it doesn't count. From boyd@insultant.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 04:55:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc22e9a2_b597_11d8_9522_00304828b574_27974; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:55:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB41A344622 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbecfdba_b597_11d8_8a5d_00304828b574_27970; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 69FAF7580F9; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:55:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B84758105 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:55:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9b68084_b597_11d8_9f6b_00304828b574_27942; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:55:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA7834462A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 04:50:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 35388630_b597_11d8_8af3_00304828b574_21823; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 04:50:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2CD819E18 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:50:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7126419C33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19859-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1DE2519C69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.99]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E43286720F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:49:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <005901c449a3$71ff2520$637f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:46:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > bzzzzt! no > > well, i might have exaggerated a little, but a quick poke around the > bsd man pages gives me the following percentages (of all error codes > mentioned, 1129 total): checking my _physical_ 9th Ed manual there are/were 37 [EGREG]. 8/9th Ed was based on 4.1BSD, for the record. > so EINVAL and EIO are definitely up there. former yes, but it means BUGGERED. latter, as forsyth said, can mean many things (i think its intention was to indicate a physical i/o error). i think probably dennis is the best reference, to clear up this stupid ephemera. > EFAULT pretty much always means the same thing, so it doesn't count. it does count. it means BUGGERED. it's a good one; it means you fucked up and there is NO recovery (unless you loop over user mode addresses until you smash somewhere with something). you get EFAULT? you have a bug. From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 05:00:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b0c52726_b598_11d8_8286_00304828b574_983; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:00:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EFC344689 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:00:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id afebed8a_b598_11d8_98d7_00304828b574_969; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:00:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3F05C7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:00:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7167580FE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae15724c_b598_11d8_90de_00304828b574_931; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888B3344690 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:00:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa3ad126_b598_11d8_8ac0_00304828b574_873; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:00:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D21D719E1B for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4524D19C33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19859-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E25719C2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 16:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:06:18 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <005901c449a3$71ff2520$637f7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > so EINVAL and EIO are definitely up there. > > former yes, but it means BUGGERED. nope, it means all sorts of things, as documented in the man pages (but not expressed in the errno). that's precisely where the open-ended plan 9 scheme wins out, and why it was so annoying developing in a unix environment where all the info you got when you did something wrong was "invalid argument" without any indication as to what you'd done wrong. this applied particularly to the sockets stuff. i can't believe that dross is still around. From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jun 4 15:27:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 07:14:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54cf34d0_b5ab_11d8_8b3e_00304828b574_17961; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:14:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62675344B2A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54315ef4_b5ab_11d8_8ba1_00304828b574_17884; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:14:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 22DC97580FE; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:14:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF9937580FB for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:14:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53dd2794_b5ab_11d8_895a_00304828b574_17872; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:14:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6CF3458DA for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:13:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c7d3930_b5ab_11d8_8d97_00304828b574_17465; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:13:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20D4C19E92 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B81619E18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11114-01-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B46EB19E10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 18:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:09:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>i can't believe that dross is still around. ``no dear, this is the dream. you're still back in the cell.'' From brucee@chunder.com Fri Jun 4 15:27:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 10:05:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ab3d466_b5c3_11d8_9724_00304828b574_9786; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:05:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA3D3441E1 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:05:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a186f76_b5c3_11d8_8cc4_00304828b574_9779; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:05:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 173A97580FC; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:05:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2037580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:05:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49bb84c8_b5c3_11d8_9334_00304828b574_9776; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:05:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2581A345131 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:02:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dfbb14f8_b5c2_11d8_86a8_00304828b574_6471; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:02:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6E3419EA7 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:02:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9FD619E67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25179-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6D6DA19E4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17803 invoked by uid 89); 4 Jun 2004 00:37:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 00:37:49 -0000 Message-ID: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:05:39 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I can't believe there are so many messages about this. Plan9 error messages should be as informative, precise, and *user readable* as possible without being too chatty. The "bind" example is a good one and made me smile when I first encountered the new one. The kernel and most filesystems do this well - and where they don't they should be fixed. I have no problems with someone spending a lot of time coercing APE into behaving in a way they consider "more correct" - it doesn't effect me. I won't change all my error messages to make this endless tweaking easier. And rog's code has a race that has been known for at least 25 years. As for internationalization a simple library function that smashes the %r message at the ":"s (observing quoting) and "tries" to map the phrases would produce satisfactory results in most cases, and when it can't then the error message is buggered or unknown and either the originator of the message or the mapper should be fixed. By "simple" I don't mean "not labourious"; consider % ls -l /tmp/pus $home/pus ls: /tmp/pus: '/tmp/pus' directory entry not found ls: /usr/brucee/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' does not exist (/tmp is kfs, /usr/brucee is fossil) Enough, I should be writing code. brucee Charles Forsyth wrote: >>>i can't believe that dross is still around. > > > ``no dear, this is the dream. you're still back in the cell.'' From schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 4 15:27:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 10:57:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81ed45fa_b5ca_11d8_9fce_00304828b574_25240; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:57:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DD1345C94 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:57:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81b7533c_b5ca_11d8_81d0_00304828b574_25237; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:57:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0F9747580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:57:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B902A7580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:57:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 817766a0_b5ca_11d8_9dc4_00304828b574_25234; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:57:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF39D345C93 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:57:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80c12660_b5ca_11d8_8ef3_00304828b574_25230; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:57:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C54819E73 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:57:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 28FA619E4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04345-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3B51819C22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19365 invoked by uid 991); 4 Jun 2004 01:56:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20040604015656.19364.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Date: 3 Jun 2004 21:56:56 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) In-reply-to: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> References: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> Comments: In-reply-to Bruce Ellis message dated "Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:05:39 +1000." Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:56:56 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu | % ls -l /tmp/pus $home/pus | ls: /tmp/pus: '/tmp/pus' directory entry not found | ls: /usr/brucee/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' does not exist My pet peeve: the message should say which path component drew the error. Is it pus or brucee or usr that does not exist? 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 01:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <40BFDA06.3000907@chunder.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:10:14 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) References: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> <20040604015656.19364.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20040604015656.19364.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu someone's broken something. it used to report the path component. % ls -l /tmp/pus /tmp/pus/pus ls: /usr/brucee/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' does not exist ls: /usr/brucee/pus/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus/pus' does not exist i'm sure the second used to say: ls: /usr/brucee/pus/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' not a directory brucee Scott Schwartz wrote: > | % ls -l /tmp/pus $home/pus > | ls: /tmp/pus: '/tmp/pus' directory entry not found > | ls: /usr/brucee/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' does not exist > > My pet peeve: the message should say which path component drew > the error. Is it pus or brucee or usr that does not exist? 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Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.38 with SMTP id x38mr231062cwb; Thu, 03 Jun 2004 19:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 21:46:46 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) In-Reply-To: <40BFDA06.3000907@chunder.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> <20040604015656.19364.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> <40BFDA06.3000907@chunder.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > someone's broken something. it used to report the > path component. i noticed this a year ago but haven't tracked it down. when we first put the long errors in, this was perhaps the best new use. russ From forsyth@terzarima.net Fri Jun 4 20:10:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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boundary="upas-tjycacqblwyosarcordyleccmu" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-tjycacqblwyosarcordyleccmu Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry, i did know the source of that bug but hadn't fixed it. removal of a goto considered harmful: the original code at label NameError: used len = prefix+e.off[npath] but the replacement nameerror() uses len = strlen(name), and indeed i don't think Elemlist.off is used at all now. nameerror() probably needs an extra parameter or two to give it the right len (and suitable changes to the code). --upas-tjycacqblwyosarcordyleccmu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 01:42:23 -0000 Message-ID: <40BFDA06.3000907@chunder.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:10:14 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) References: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> <20040604015656.19364.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20040604015656.19364.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu someone's broken something. it used to report the path component. % ls -l /tmp/pus /tmp/pus/pus ls: /usr/brucee/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' does not exist ls: /usr/brucee/pus/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus/pus' does not exist i'm sure the second used to say: ls: /usr/brucee/pus/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' not a directory brucee Scott Schwartz wrote: > | % ls -l /tmp/pus $home/pus > | ls: /tmp/pus: '/tmp/pus' directory entry not found > | ls: /usr/brucee/pus: '/usr/brucee/pus' does not exist > > My pet peeve: the message should say which path component drew > the error. Is it pus or brucee or usr that does not exist? --upas-tjycacqblwyosarcordyleccmu-- From cej@gli.cas.cz Fri Jun 4 20:10:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 18:35:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91200072_b60a_11d8_81a6_00304828b574_22184; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:35:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743C534420D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:35:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 90ebbac4_b60a_11d8_8363_00304828b574_22177; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:35:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 815C37580FC; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:35:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C48175810D for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:35:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8afad37a_b60a_11d8_8fba_00304828b574_22098; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:35:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2B934607A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:13:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 679d069e_b607_11d8_9213_00304828b574_30662; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:13:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D1BD19E37 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:13:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 277A019DF0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:12:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16513-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 958AA19DE5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:12:49 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:12:47 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design Thread-Index: AcRKFBrCLra4HXLxQMWq+oey296oKA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >++pac wrote: >>> The tags scroll if you drag button1 up or down in the tag. >>=20 >> actually, they appear not to scroll but just jump to the end what = if=20 >> i want to exe a cmd somewhere in the middle? just retype/paste into = an=20 >> ordinary frame? >Apologies if this sounds flippant, but your comment above makes me want = to ask: What do you keep in your tags?) >Whole scripts or paragraphs of text? I use middle click on New and = type in the new pane for stuff like that. ... pipelines ++pac. From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Fri Jun 4 20:10:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 18:36:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a66b97ca_b60a_11d8_9e40_00304828b574_23222; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:36:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D36344684 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:36:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a62683f6_b60a_11d8_8ee6_00304828b574_23212; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:36:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 948827580F9; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:36:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95AF7580FB for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:36:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a12eb81e_b60a_11d8_8858_00304828b574_23102; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:36:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C223443D1 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:32:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f54646a_b60a_11d8_8479_00304828b574_18671; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:32:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49FDD19E19 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:32:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 66B4F19AFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17856-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4048319AEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BWArW-0007T6-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:19:42 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:19:19 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <4d30561ec4fd4a26b45150a2416c002a@9srv.net>, <855f2a51294c4e27df6f583286e23e28@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > i been thinking that one way to make the filenames less obtrusive in > acme would be to allow grouping of windows with a common path prefix. > > i quite often find myself working in, say > /n/dump/2004/0529/usr/inferno/appl/cmd/scheduler/... and that really > doesn't give much space for tag commands. > > i could imagine some kind of directory-tagged super-window in acme > that contained other windows. does acme use existing environment variables, like wily does? from the idioms webpage (http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~oz/wily/idioms.html): Short-cut Environment Variables Set environment variables to make window labels shorter and easier to type, e.g. h = $HOME wilysrc = $h/src/wily/wily wilybin = $h/obj/$cputype/wily/wily bengt From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Fri Jun 4 20:10:26 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 19:34:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba3f737c_b612_11d8_8916_00304828b574_6872; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:34:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD062344920 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:34:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9208f08_b612_11d8_9f24_00304828b574_6846; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:34:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 74FFC7580F9; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:34:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289277580FF for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:34:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8afbefe_b612_11d8_9b05_00304828b574_6822; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:34:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26861344920 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:30:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2c7842e4_b612_11d8_8314_00304828b574_2929; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 19:30:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0178C19E75 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:30:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C62B419BD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21262-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3CFE19C19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 06:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i54ATkVH028800 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:29:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54ATjpI017656 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:29:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i54ATkV03287 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:29:46 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406041029.i54ATkV03287@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:19:19 +0000." References: <4d30561ec4fd4a26b45150a2416c002a@9srv.net>, <855f2a51294c4e27df6f583286e23e28@vitanuova.com> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Bengt wrote: > rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > i been thinking that one way to make the filenames less obtrusive in > > acme would be to allow grouping of windows with a common path prefix. > > > > i quite often find myself working in, say > > /n/dump/2004/0529/usr/inferno/appl/cmd/scheduler/... and that really > > doesn't give much space for tag commands. > > > > i could imagine some kind of directory-tagged super-window in acme > > that contained other windows. It would be great to have a `blessed' (non-hack) solution to make the filenames less obtrusive. With unix acme the filename is regularly longer than the width of the tag, meaning one would have to scroll in the tag even to Put or Un/Redo - this takes away much of the joy of using acme. The env var hack makes acme usable for me on unix, and I'm happy to use it until a better way of dealing with long filenames comes along. > does acme use existing environment variables, like wily does? No, but, for the unix acme you can find a patch in the plan9 ports CVS repository (no idea how hard it would be to back port it to plan 9). I slightly patched that for even more comfort, see below. Axel. One thing I noticed: the sorting in mkruneenv pays special attention to the env var names: case and length. For me, even more important is that I get the env var for the longest file name, so, if I have home=/home/me fo=/home/me/fo fofoo=/home/me/fo/foo then when I'm in directory /home/me/fo/foo/bar I would like to see $fofoo/bar and not $fo/foo/bar, and certainly not $home/fo/foo/bar . I cooked up the following patch, just tested to see if it works, not used long enough to notice I overlooked something, nor to know whether it works as comfortable as in wily. Index: wind.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/src/cmd/acme/wind.c,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -r1.4 wind.c [unrelated differences omitted; line numbers may be off] 650,651c648,649 < Rune *a, *b; < int na, nb; --- > Rune *a, *b, *af, *bf; > int na, nb, fcmp; 655,656c653,659 < na = runestrchr(a, '=') - a; < nb = runestrchr(b, '=') - b; --- > af = runestrchr(a, '='); > bf = runestrchr(b, '='); > na = af - a; > nb = bf - b; > fcmp = runestrcmp(af, bf); > if (fcmp != 0) > return -fcmp; From cej@gli.cas.cz Fri Jun 4 23:02:48 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 20:23:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b6ed978_b619_11d8_8284_00304828b574_20836; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:23:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C010346128 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:23:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b2678ae_b619_11d8_91c9_00304828b574_20831; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:23:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1CFE37580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:23:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5267580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:23:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8ae89a0c_b619_11d8_92d4_00304828b574_20796; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:23:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2F6346128 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:23:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a06f0d4_b619_11d8_86ad_00304828b574_20680; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 20:23:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD5B419E51 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:23:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD05219E30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25836-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7800819E34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:22:41 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:22:40 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design Thread-Index: AcRKJj8i0CdrbRCDTAeZhvbbqkjh/g== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu : you do have "ordinary" scrolling - just use the middle button, : as it says in the manual. sorry, but this doesn't work for me! middle button doesn't scroll at = all-- just sweeps and executes. I tried to find it man 1 acme, but there is nothing like please, tell me *how* do you scroll the tagline w button2 ??? >as someone else said, if you want more text than will fit in a tag,=20 >just click on "New" and use it as a scratch window. try |wc in [new] frame (not in tag) and it will apply to itself, not to = the dot in the last active frame! And what about |sed = 's/blahblahblah.....long/BLAHBLAH/g' ?=20 (As I mentioned some time ago, I dont like hardwiring the 'Edit' cmd = into Acme: what about [better sed | stream sam] instead? maybe I am = wrong all the time, but isnt it (Edit) against plan9 ideas?) ++pac. --- Peter A. 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 4 Jun 2004 11:48:43 -0000 Message-ID: <40C06829.3080801@chunder.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 22:16:41 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "9fans@cse.psu.edu" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) References: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> <013301c449d2$95929d30$637f7d50@SOMA> In-Reply-To: <013301c449d2$95929d30$637f7d50@SOMA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well it'a done. had a word with boyd and wrote a bit of code (1 hour) and we got this ... just go lang=3Dfr boydo. en: ls pus ls: pus: 'pus' file does not exist ls a ls: a: permission denied fr: ls pus ls: pus: 'pus' fichier n'existe pas ls a ls: a: permission refus=E9e nz: ls pus ls: pus: 'pus' where da file bro? ls a ls: a: not for you, bro if you can write maps like this ... err=3D"permission denied" map=3D"permission refus=E9e" then stick them in /lib/errs/your_lang. brucee From cej@gli.cas.cz Fri Jun 4 23:02:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 21:53:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26dfc29e_b626_11d8_9f3b_00304828b574_8102; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:53:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1149C3461FC for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:53:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2699dd42_b626_11d8_877d_00304828b574_8098; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:53:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D8BAD7580FA; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:53:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDF67580F9 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:53:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2658729e_b626_11d8_9fa0_00304828b574_8095; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:53:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843DB3461FC for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:53:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2597fca8_b626_11d8_90f3_00304828b574_8092; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 21:53:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B058F19E60 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:53:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 503A119E30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00165-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0D8419E1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 08:52:57 -0400 (EDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:52:56 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme: some thoughts about design Thread-Index: AcRKMtvFBi8ChrIbR8uAmXX2iZsl+Q== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > sounds like you want sam, but with acme style execute semantics. No, I would love commandline-Sam using acme as interface. Am I wrong? ++pac. From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 5 06:28:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 4 23:43:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94f4e2d2_b635_11d8_9cee_00304828b574_10058; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52B3A344979 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94337bc4_b635_11d8_8a7c_00304828b574_10051; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C148C7580FC; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:43:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809997580FB for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93b7909a_b635_11d8_880e_00304828b574_10047; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F34344F8C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:40:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1310e9c8_b635_11d8_8370_00304828b574_6478; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:40:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C50619E08 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B41DA19CD6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04503-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 480B719B63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so82634cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.25 with SMTP id x25mr564718cwb; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 07:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:39:42 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Anyone have any idea how one is supposed to arrange to free the stack on which a shared-memory proc is running? In my current implementation, I have a routine called stackalloc() that keeps a list of all stacks ever allocated along with the pids they were allocated for, and every Nth time it gets called, it scans the list freeing the stacks that correspond to processes that no longer exist. Damn TLB-friendly operating systems. Russ From xigh@free.fr Sat Jun 5 06:28:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 00:20:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8ac344c_b63a_11d8_9006_00304828b574_13649; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:20:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBF83453B4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:20:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a86d8b20_b63a_11d8_935d_00304828b574_13611; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:20:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9AEA97580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:20:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4232A7580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:20:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8234844_b63a_11d8_8341_00304828b574_13604; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:20:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A993453B4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:20:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a75f7b12_b63a_11d8_9d5a_00304828b574_13512; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:20:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8203719E89 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:20:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0E1819C71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06975-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (smtp5.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CC3119E42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.tegam.fr (ALagny-101-2-1-69.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.63.69]) by mwinf0503.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 423E56800273 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:19:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from srv2.tegam.int (srv2.tegam.int [10.0.0.2]) by mx1.tegam.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F045F3EEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:19:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w2k.free.fr (unknown [10.1.0.9]) by srv2.tegam.int (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1B824506 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:19:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604170542.02253db0@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: xigh@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:20:08 +0200 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Philippe Anel Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu At 04:39 PM 6/4/2004, you wrote: >Anyone have any idea how one is supposed to arrange >to free the stack on which a shared-memory proc is >running? > >In my current implementation, I have a routine called >stackalloc() that keeps a list of all stacks ever allocated >along with the pids they were allocated for, and every Nth >time it gets called, it scans the list freeing the stacks that >correspond to processes that no longer exist. > >Damn TLB-friendly operating systems. > >Russ Hello, I would associate each stack segment to an 'address space' structure shared by each shared-memory process. When the reference counter of this structure goes to zero, I would free all the segment 'associated' to this structure (and free the structure :) ). I thought plan9 doesn't share process stack segment, am i wrong ? If it doesn't share these segments you only have to free the stack when the process is ending. Philippe, From xigh@free.fr Sat Jun 5 06:28:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 00:23:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 156dba4c_b63b_11d8_8150_00304828b574_16259; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:23:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368423453CD for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:23:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 152f9622_b63b_11d8_9dd6_00304828b574_16224; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:23:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 234107580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:23:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5157580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:23:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14f350a4_b63b_11d8_8d01_00304828b574_16213; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:23:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC943453CD for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:23:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1439696e_b63b_11d8_937d_00304828b574_16115; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:23:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0113A19E6E for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:23:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B0A619C57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13033-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mwinf0404.wanadoo.fr (smtp4.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.27]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C3DDC19A6D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.tegam.fr (ALagny-101-2-1-69.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.63.69]) by mwinf0404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C1A0138001A5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from srv2.tegam.int (srv2.tegam.int [10.0.0.2]) by mx1.tegam.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8353EEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:22:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w2k.free.fr (unknown [10.1.0.9]) by srv2.tegam.int (Postfix) with ESMTP id E477824506 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:22:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604172249.02208ec0@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: xigh@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:23:47 +0200 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Philippe Anel Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604170542.02253db0@pop.free.fr> References: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604170542.02253db0@pop.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >I thought plan9 doesn't share process stack segment, am i wrong ? I've just re-read the subject ... oopppss. sorry. Philippe, From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Sat Jun 5 06:28:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 00:33:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91757f02_b63c_11d8_935f_00304828b574_25829; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:33:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1ABB3462F1 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:33:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 913efe5a_b63c_11d8_8cec_00304828b574_25826; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:33:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BE6EE7580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:33:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773467580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:33:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91067a58_b63c_11d8_8778_00304828b574_25823; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:33:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8E33462F1 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:33:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9044efc8_b63c_11d8_97bc_00304828b574_25820; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:33:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FDD819E74 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:33:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D77719E3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13033-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E9AA019E30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i54FXNm29967 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:33:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From 9fans-bounces+rcbilson=plg.uwaterloo.ca@cse.psu.edu Fri Jun 4 11:19:57 2004 > > I would associate each stack segment to an 'address space' structure > shared by each shared-memory process. > When the reference counter of this structure goes to zero, I would > free all the segment 'associated' to this structure (and free the structure > :) ). Yes, but what thread does the free? You can't free your own stack, and how does any other thread know to do it for you? This is a pain, and a pain that I have felt myself. Of course, it's easy if there is some kind of termination synchronization, and the thread that waits is responsible for cleaning up after the thread that finishes. But I assume that Russ is trying to solve the problem in the general case. As far as I know, the new pthreads library on Linux uses a technique very similar to the one that Russ describes, with the additional optimization of re-using stacks if possible. In fact, I'm not sure if they ever free stacks -- just keep them around in case a new thread needs one. The old linuxthreads library used a "manager thread" to do the reaping (among other things), which isn't particularly nice or efficient. From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 5 06:28:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 00:54:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 713069d4_b63f_11d8_9e08_00304828b574_11038; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:54:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399C4346387 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:54:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 70fe0a0c_b63f_11d8_9c7d_00304828b574_11032; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:54:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1C18C7580FB; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:54:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C548D7580FA for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:54:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 70bcb62e_b63f_11d8_82b6_00304828b574_11026; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:54:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E52346385 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:54:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7004c1fe_b63f_11d8_8a64_00304828b574_11019; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 00:54:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD08019E55 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:54:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D13819D29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13033-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BCC6019AE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so85161cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.72 with SMTP id x72mr1536cwb; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:53:57 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > As far as I know, the new pthreads library on Linux uses a technique > very similar to the one that Russ describes, with the additional > optimization of re-using stacks if possible. In fact, I'm not sure if > they ever free stacks -- just keep them around in case a new thread > needs one. That's exactly what I'm doing. What a crock. Russ From xigh@free.fr Sat Jun 5 06:28:58 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 01:30:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c289320_b644_11d8_8ad9_00304828b574_15053; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:30:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F042D344288 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:30:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7bde7d1c_b644_11d8_8c54_00304828b574_15043; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:30:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EB6467580F9; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:30:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15E0758104 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:30:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 784db212_b644_11d8_8b8d_00304828b574_14986; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:30:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDE9344288 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dc0ed4e_b643_11d8_953a_00304828b574_5029; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A406019E85 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67F6819B6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15149-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mwinf0502.wanadoo.fr (smtp5.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.26]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E735519C33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.tegam.fr (ALagny-101-2-1-69.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.63.69]) by mwinf0502.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B3F94E800376 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from srv2.tegam.int (srv2.tegam.int [10.0.0.2]) by mx1.tegam.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1413EEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:21:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w2k.free.fr (unknown [10.1.0.9]) by srv2.tegam.int (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B9D24506 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:21:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604175442.021d8420@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: xigh@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:22:32 +0200 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Philippe Anel Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> References: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >Yes, but what thread does the free? You can't free your own stack, and >how does any other thread know to do it for you? This is a pain, and a >pain that I have felt myself. > >Of course, it's easy if there is some kind of termination >synchronization, and the thread that waits is responsible for cleaning >up after the thread that finishes. But I assume that Russ is trying to >solve the problem in the general case. > >As far as I know, the new pthreads library on Linux uses a technique >very similar to the one that Russ describes, with the additional >optimization of re-using stacks if possible. In fact, I'm not sure if >they ever free stacks -- just keep them around in case a new thread >needs one. > >The old linuxthreads library used a "manager thread" to do the reaping >(among other things), which isn't particularly nice or efficient. Ok. What do you think then about the following pseudo-code: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ struct segment { struct segment * next; struct segment * prev; void * addr; int len; int threadid; }; struct addr_space { Lock; int refcount; struct segment * inuse; struct segment * tofree; } addrspace; void exit_thread() { struct segment * s; lock(&addrspace); for (s = addrspace.tofree; s; s = s->next) free(s->addr); if (--refcount) { s = find_segment_from_id(get_my_thread_id()); list_remove(s); list_add(tofree, s); unlock(&addrspace); } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It would free the stack of the previous exited thread. 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Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from srv2.tegam.int (srv2.tegam.int [10.0.0.2]) by mx1.tegam.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E583EEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:23:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from w2k.free.fr (unknown [10.1.0.9]) by srv2.tegam.int (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A73524506 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:23:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604182329.02181b18@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: xigh@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:24:36 +0200 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Philippe Anel Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604175442.021d8420@pop.free.fr> References: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <6.1.1.1.0.20040604175442.021d8420@pop.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >void >exit_thread() > { > struct segment * s; > > lock(&addrspace); > for (s = addrspace.tofree; s; s = s->next) > free(s->addr); > if (--refcount) { > s = find_segment_from_id(get_my_thread_id()); > list_remove(s); > list_add(tofree, s); move the unlock call out of the block of course. > unlock(&addrspace); > } >} From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 5 06:28:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 01:39:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9a37160_b645_11d8_98a1_00304828b574_22431; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:39:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB267345566 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:39:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b971271e_b645_11d8_87a7_00304828b574_22428; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:39:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9B2357580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:39:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5260A7580F9 for ; 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Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C3D3519C01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so82563cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.15 with SMTP id v15mr3173cwb; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:38:56 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604175442.021d8420@pop.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <6.1.1.1.0.20040604175442.021d8420@pop.free.fr> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > void > exit_thread() > { > struct segment * s; > > lock(&addrspace); > for (s = addrspace.tofree; s; s = s->next) > free(s->addr); > if (--refcount) { > s = find_segment_from_id(get_my_thread_id()); > list_remove(s); > list_add(tofree, s); > unlock(&addrspace); > } > } this isn't safe because you keep using the stack after you unlock &addrspace, so someone else might come along and free it out from under you before you manage to exit. the inferno version posted by charles fixes this. unfortunately, i'm trying not to assume that all the threads will exit with my exit function, so this approach isn't really an option. russ From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Sat Jun 5 06:28:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 01:45:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 96c08768_b646_11d8_8f60_00304828b574_27175; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0193463C8 for ; 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Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:45:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B88EF19B9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18286-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2AF6219A19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i54Giob06093 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:44:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406041644.i54Giob06093@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: Philippe Anel Fri Jun 4 12:23:49 2004 > > void > exit_thread() > { > struct segment * s; > > lock(&addrspace); > for (s = addrspace.tofree; s; s = s->next) > free(s->addr); > if (--refcount) { > s = find_segment_from_id(get_my_thread_id()); > list_remove(s); > list_add(tofree, s); > } > unlock(&addrspace); > } > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > It would free the stack of the previous exited thread. This isn't actually so different from what Russ describes -- you're just keeping a separate free list, rather than setting a per-thread flag in some global list of all threads. Note that you have to be very careful about race conditions -- your stack could disappear immediately after the call to unlock, which means that you'd better be done all you need to do at that point, except for calling _exit (and even that is problematic). From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat Jun 5 06:28:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 01:47:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1f8c426_b646_11d8_9904_00304828b574_28536; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:47:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD353463D4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1954022_b646_11d8_966e_00304828b574_28499; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A59DF7580F9; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:47:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006867580FA for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:47:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d120b194_b646_11d8_8284_00304828b574_28451; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:47:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5572A3463D4 for ; 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boundary="upas-guclzvbbrdsbtkxfuhshwkxzbx" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-guclzvbbrdsbtkxfuhshwkxzbx Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>the inferno version posted by charles fixes this. actually i sent that privately, but it's fairly obvious (once you know the dangers). the mess in that one is that it needs assembly language in order to have precise control over access to the stack and to allow an INT $SYS_exit or whatever to be made without using the (user) stack, so that you need to do the raw INT yourself, not call _exit, after unlocking the global stack allocation Lock. void unlockandexit(Lock*). ugh. it also can't simply free() the stack, but can only recycle it, though you could fix that one by queueing the stack for freeing by the next stackalloc once it's past the global lock. now, go hug a TLB! --upas-guclzvbbrdsbtkxfuhshwkxzbx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; 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Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:38:56 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040604175442.021d8420@pop.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <6.1.1.1.0.20040604175442.021d8420@pop.free.fr> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > void > exit_thread() > { > struct segment * s; > > lock(&addrspace); > for (s = addrspace.tofree; s; s = s->next) > free(s->addr); > if (--refcount) { > s = find_segment_from_id(get_my_thread_id()); > list_remove(s); > list_add(tofree, s); > unlock(&addrspace); > } > } this isn't safe because you keep using the stack after you unlock &addrspace, so someone else might come along and free it out from under you before you manage to exit. the inferno version posted by charles fixes this. unfortunately, i'm trying not to assume that all the threads will exit with my exit function, so this approach isn't really an option. russ --upas-guclzvbbrdsbtkxfuhshwkxzbx-- From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jun 5 06:29:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 03:26:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a799836a_b654_11d8_97c7_00304828b574_19901; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:26:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1D734651C for ; 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Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:35:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B01819B00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02750-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6013319AE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.99]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DD0C7378B7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:34:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <030201c44a62$05c00fe0$637f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:30:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Anyone have any idea how one is supposed to arrange > to free the stack on which a shared-memory proc is > running? is this a shared memory multiprocessor? or is it it full blown process migration? From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 5 06:29:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 03:39:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79417e94_b656_11d8_92e3_00304828b574_30579; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:39:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C21A346573 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:39:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 790c8676_b656_11d8_9b8c_00304828b574_30572; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:39:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 151297580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:39:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2EA7580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:39:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78c3d3c2_b656_11d8_9d23_00304828b574_30562; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:39:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A058346573 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:39:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77fecfb4_b656_11d8_954c_00304828b574_30463; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:39:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41E6C19E5F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6093F19B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02612-01-77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3909119B00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so90365cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr7157cwb; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 11:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:38:53 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. In-Reply-To: <030201c44a62$05c00fe0$637f7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <030201c44a62$05c00fe0$637f7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > is this a shared memory multiprocessor? > > or is it it full blown process migration? a solution for a uniprocessor would suffice. From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jun 5 06:29:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 03:40:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ade2e35e_b656_11d8_8e09_00304828b574_31368; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD4034657F for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ada9df32_b656_11d8_8077_00304828b574_31364; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5A6FB7580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:40:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149427580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ad720d64_b656_11d8_81a4_00304828b574_31361; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:40:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B15E34657F for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:40:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id acb1e584_b656_11d8_93c8_00304828b574_31358; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:40:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 379F719D6C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:40:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 005DE19B00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26272-02-83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0CDB19B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.99]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ECB93379CC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:40:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <031501c44a62$c57b7770$637f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:35:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Yes, but what thread does the free? You can't free your own stack, and > how does any other thread know to do it for you? This is a pain, and a > pain that I have felt myself. mark it as BUGGERED and get the memory mangement system to clean it up. i'd reference count it too, if they are shared in some way. From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jun 5 06:29:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 03:49:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ec323726_b657_11d8_9357_00304828b574_6310; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:49:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7104344A3C for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:49:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eaff24e0_b657_11d8_9fac_00304828b574_6304; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:49:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5EF0F7580FF; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:49:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8677580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:49:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea8f2d66_b657_11d8_8bc3_00304828b574_6299; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:49:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A713449AB for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 03:48:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be587de2_b657_11d8_8d30_00304828b574_5266; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 03:48:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B2B519D80 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:48:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6A8C19B3E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05265-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF48519B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.99]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D8BE9379B5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:47:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <032901c44a63$da306940$637f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200406041533.i54FXNm29967@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] stack reclamation on Unix using clone, rfork_thread, etc. Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:43:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >... just keep them around in case a new thread needs one. smacks of 'all the world is a VAX' -- [kernel] malloc is fast now. > That's exactly what I'm doing. What a crock. possibly. 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It turns out that the auto installer needs a specific DLL and my machine has too recent a version! Also the direct links are broken. However a bit of poking around in the release notes (which are viewable) resulted in the paths. So if anyone is interested, you can grab it (330MB) from the following prefix: http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/sdk/update/win98mexp/en-us/3790.0/FULL/ To which append the files: PSDK-FULL.bat, Extract.exe, PSDK-FULL.[1-9].cab, PSDK-FULL.1[0-3].cab The above can be done with any http download app. Now - to try and install the junk so as to recompile one program... (I also now need to figure out how much space to give 9p on the laptop) DF From boyd@insultant.net Sun Jun 6 19:44:19 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 08:10:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f73d4c4_b67c_11d8_8983_00304828b574_19804; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:10:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE78734449E for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:10:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f3db286_b67c_11d8_904b_00304828b574_19767; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:10:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CDC777580F9; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:10:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5FC7580FD for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:09:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4cbac90e_b67c_11d8_86ce_00304828b574_19512; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:09:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB48E34449E for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:03:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67c1e8f0_b67b_11d8_9265_00304828b574_13103; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:03:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F318919E7A for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:03:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF0D819E4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13523-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9157C19E4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.99]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6571E6716E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:03:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <041101c44a87$99615630$637f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40846B14.2080306@chunder.com><9410b2072d859058157843977ca7811c@9srv.net><20040420104239.A10185@edinburgh.cisco.com><067501c426d2$2a0b7c80$0fca7d50@SOMA><20040420162040.B20680@edinburgh.cisco.com> <20040604235455.I16155@edinburgh.cisco.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:59:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > http://download.microsoft.com/download/platformsdk/sdk/update/win98mexp/en-us/3790.0/FULL/ giving it away? 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From kiwane@mac.com Sun Jun 6 19:44:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 10:10:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 145ed6a2_b68d_11d8_8f08_00304828b574_29425; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:10:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231BE345B72 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:10:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14123a22_b68d_11d8_9864_00304828b574_29415; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:10:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E9DB17580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:10:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1CE7580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:10:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13d01368_b68d_11d8_8ed7_00304828b574_29385; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:10:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF6D345B72 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:10:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1315bae0_b68d_11d8_9d45_00304828b574_29313; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:10:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49F6119EA5 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:10:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1D8319DFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27692-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C227919DDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i5519hsi001280 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] ([202.164.79.153]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i5519fBO020944 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Fans Bell Labs of the OS Plan 9 from <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: kiwane@mac.com Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:09:31 +0900 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fossil's snaptime doesn't work X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I want my fossil to automatically take snapshot at every 30 minute and do the dump at midnight. My fossil configuration is: term% fossil/conf /dev/sdC0/fossil fsys main config /dev/sdC0/fossil fsys main open -c 750 fsys main snaptime -a 0000 -s 30 -t 1440 term% The problem is that it doesn't take either snap nor dump. Why does fossil ignore the snaptime command? How do I find out what is going on? -- kazumi From russcox@gmail.com Sun Jun 6 19:44:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 10:59:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ae6df28_b694_11d8_826e_00304828b574_12945; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:59:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C917A344179 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:59:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ab0bf4c_b694_11d8_9782_00304828b574_12942; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:59:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 12CD2758107; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:59:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E312F758114 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:59:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fb3f5f8c_b693_11d8_9a07_00304828b574_12655; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:59:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBCA4344627 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 10:51:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf54f7de_b692_11d8_9350_00304828b574_3230; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 10:51:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D48C19EAB for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:51:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9438719D6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29612-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 39A6119A89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so102485cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.1.63 with SMTP id 63mr17722rna; Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:50:46 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil's snaptime doesn't work In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu We use snaptime with no problems. Try connecting to the console and running fsys main snaptime to see what fossil thinks you've told it to do. There may also be errors waiting for you on the console. Russ From kiwane@mac.com Sun Jun 6 19:44:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 13:41:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b1560c2_b6aa_11d8_8750_00304828b574_31330; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:41:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F67E34478D for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:41:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ae0080a_b6aa_11d8_9540_00304828b574_31325; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:41:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7C9057580FE; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:41:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36FF27580FA for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:41:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98d4587c_b6aa_11d8_9d9b_00304828b574_31299; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:41:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A7634478D for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:30:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 167eeef6_b6a9_11d8_94af_00304828b574_19150; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:30:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14A5D19CD2 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:30:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5CD6219C3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15407-01-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.84]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9986D19B9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 00:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (8.12.6/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i554UEYH025030 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.8] (gt153.ade3.point.ne.jp [202.164.79.153]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin07/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id i554UDwb023596 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 21:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0867F086-B6A9-11D8-ABBC-000393CBA46C@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: kiwane@mac.com Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil's snaptime doesn't work Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 13:30:11 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu It looks like fossil knows what it should do. term% con /srv/fscons prompt: fsys main main: snaptime snaptime -a 0000 -s 30 -t 1440 main: I see no errors on the console. I am using 9pcf that was replica'd on May 26. From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Sun Jun 6 19:44:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 15:09:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5869650_b6b6_11d8_95d5_00304828b574_16411; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0CD344473 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f54bde52_b6b6_11d8_85bc_00304828b574_16405; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:09:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 39DD77580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:09:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08AE7580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f50f6b8e_b6b6_11d8_9219_00304828b574_16402; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E160E344473 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:09:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f455bea0_b6b6_11d8_9017_00304828b574_16399; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE04819E60 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:09:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A21A319C89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24035-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mps2.plala.or.jp (c145240.vh.plala.or.jp [210.150.145.240]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A93D19C46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 02:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaitya ([222.150.210.146]) by mps2.plala.or.jp with ESMTP id <20040605060926.KXCO1281.mps2.plala.or.jp@vaitya> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:09:26 +0900 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:09:14 +0900 In-Reply-To: <7a15e66ba352a47776e1561e3a9256c0@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: SPAMCHECK.NET: neuromancer 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_32, J_CHICKENPOX_52, J_CHICKENPOX_55 X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > as someone else said, if you want more text than will fit in a tag, > just click on "New" and use it as a scratch window. As someone else said, Edit commands typed in the New'ly created scratch window can't be applied to contents in other windows, if I'm correct. And when everytime I want to execute one of them, snarf&paste it into the intended tagline and execute it is painful. Rather, I have something like this at the top of a Zerox'ed window and use them. | |----------------------------------------------- [=]/usr/nashi/src/9skk.c Del Snarf | Look | |----------------------------------------------- | |/* | | Edit 5,10x/hogefuga what ever long edit commands here | | Edit x/yet another long commands here | |*/ | |----------------------------------------------- [=]/usr/nashi/src/9skk.c Del Snarf | Look Edit = | |----------------------------------------------- | |void | |main(int argc, char **argv) | | ... # Sorry to disturb you for merely showing my custom. > there's not enough space in a tag for scrollbars. Agreed. But autoscrolling horizontaly without any scrollbar when typing past the right end of a tagline could be helpful. -- From forsyth@terzarima.net Sun Jun 6 19:44:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 19:11:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae60ad84_b6d8_11d8_9e1e_00304828b574_9430; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:11:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD97344EE3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae25b62a_b6d8_11d8_94e3_00304828b574_9427; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AE89D7580FA; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:11:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5BC7580F9 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id adea68c2_b6d8_11d8_952a_00304828b574_9422; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4613C344EE3 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 19:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ad179de8_b6d8_11d8_97a4_00304828b574_9415; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FC1319EB2 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:11:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9955D19E72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12372-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 207BC19E61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:07:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > As someone else said, Edit commands typed in the New'ly > created scratch window can't be applied to contents in > other windows, if I'm correct. And when everytime I want > to execute one of them, snarf&paste it into the intended > tagline and execute it is painful. select editing commands in New window. click button 2-1 chord on Edit in target window. From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Sun Jun 6 19:44:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 5 22:56:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 241994cc_b6f8_11d8_9f64_00304828b574_13911; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 22:56:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C05344C3F for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:56:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23d2ac38_b6f8_11d8_8afb_00304828b574_13904; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 22:56:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 75474758107; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:56:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55D0758104 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:56:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20f70996_b6f8_11d8_9bf2_00304828b574_13867; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 22:56:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A56A34529E for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:49:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 18fcc592_b6f7_11d8_8dd6_00304828b574_5848; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 22:49:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A558D19E8D for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:48:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 596F919D06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02473-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mps3.plala.or.jp (c146240.vh.plala.or.jp [210.150.146.240]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7BCAE19C5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 09:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaitya ([220.108.103.41]) by mps3.plala.or.jp with ESMTP id <20040605134836.EQUU3741.mps3.plala.or.jp@vaitya> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:36 +0900 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:48:23 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Thank you, forsyth. > select editing commands in New window. > click button 2-1 chord on Edit in target window. Now I've learned how to use 2-1 chord. But 2-1 seems not to work in `/mail/fs/mbox/'. Can somebody double-check me? # I tried 2-1 sometime before in /mail/fs/mbox/ # and it stayed in ever swelling my need-to-study # list since then. -- From robpike@gmail.com Sun Jun 6 19:44:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 6 00:50:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ca3b7f8_b708_11d8_8fb4_00304828b574_20555; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:50:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8D2345386 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:50:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c60c1fa_b708_11d8_9398_00304828b574_20552; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:50:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F052D7580FA; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:50:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A835A7580F9 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:50:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c1f2290_b708_11d8_9227_00304828b574_20549; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:50:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCC3345386 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:50:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b5e61cc_b708_11d8_955b_00304828b574_20546; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:50:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA41219D0B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:50:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 275D019B8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17258-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 057A819B6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so378269cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.62 with SMTP id p62mr37323cwc; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 08:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f049040605085071b54c50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:50:28 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Now I've learned how to use 2-1 chord. > But 2-1 seems not to work in `/mail/fs/mbox/'. > Can somebody double-check me? unfortunate but true. i don't remember the details but there is some nasty reason why i couldn't get the arguments to a 2-1 chord delivered to external applications. -rob From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Sun Jun 6 19:44:29 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 6 11:24:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9fbec698_b760_11d8_92a8_00304828b574_9546; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:24:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65AE344229 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:24:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f89894c_b760_11d8_81e8_00304828b574_9540; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:24:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 44EC37580FA; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:24:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0206758117 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:24:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bd3c588_b760_11d8_91c0_00304828b574_9461; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:24:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46993441BB for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9aab28e0_b760_11d8_9be0_00304828b574_9441; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 11:24:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D17AE19C9B for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:24:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03EC919C9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17590-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mps9.plala.or.jp (c152002.vh.plala.or.jp [210.150.152.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A554219AAF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaitya ([220.99.214.83]) by mps9.plala.or.jp with ESMTP id <20040606022350.FTME14773.mps9.plala.or.jp@vaitya> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:23:50 +0900 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:23:37 +0900 In-Reply-To: <7359f049040605085071b54c50@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > But 2-1 seems not to work in `/mail/fs/mbox/'. > i don't remember the details but there > is some nasty reason why i couldn't get the arguments to > a 2-1 chord delivered to external applications. Thank you, rob. Anyway, 2-1 chord solved the narrowness of taglines for most part of mine (html and c source editting). By the way, I changed the return key to execute the selected commond in a tagline, i.e type a command in a tagline, press ESC to highlight it then RET to execute it. I will see how I like this or not. -- From robpike@gmail.com Sun Jun 6 19:44:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 6 12:34:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b9aa584_b76a_11d8_9b46_00304828b574_4951; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:34:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754163443B0 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:34:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7a54991e_b76a_11d8_98bc_00304828b574_4942; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:34:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B83637580FF; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:34:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7706A7580F9 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:34:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 79c58882_b76a_11d8_944f_00304828b574_4933; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:34:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBFFD3446C6 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:25:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 275a1ab4_b769_11d8_9318_00304828b574_28314; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:25:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C676E19EB4 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:25:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB0DB19AE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25067-01-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 8C09619AAE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so404626cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.119.45 with SMTP id r45mr26401cwc; Sat, 05 Jun 2004 20:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904060520255a826c85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:25:06 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > By the way, I changed the return key to execute the > selected commond in a tagline, i.e type a command > in a tagline, press ESC to highlight it then RET to > execute it. I will see how I like this or not. others have asked for this feature or something like it, but i've always resisted because it seems wrong to change the meaning of newline depending where you type it. still, you're not alone. -rob From vdharani@infernopark.com Sun Jun 6 19:44:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 6 12:48:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5223b3ba_b76c_11d8_8830_00304828b574_20586; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:48:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9031A3441EF for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:48:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51e2a866_b76c_11d8_8fc4_00304828b574_20543; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:48:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8AD7A7580F9; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:48:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51E8758105 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:47:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b8d70d6_b76c_11d8_937a_00304828b574_20090; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:47:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3A23444C2 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 12:45:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f6ed8962_b76b_11d8_9d40_00304828b574_17611; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 12:45:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2DCB819E89 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:45:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 959F619A77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25067-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F9A419A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i568sFnh031699 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:54:15 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:54:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32817.67.85.61.176.1086512055.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <7359f04904060520255a826c85@mail.gmail.com> References: <7359f04904060520255a826c85@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:54:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > By the way, I changed the return key to execute the > selected commond in a tagline, i.e type a command > in a tagline, press ESC to highlight it then RET to > execute it. I will see how I like this or not. but doesnt it look vi-style? thanks dharani From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Sun Jun 6 19:44:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 6 16:11:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b32c3c1a_b788_11d8_8713_00304828b574_6359; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329123446CE for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2e23390_b788_11d8_8e41_00304828b574_6356; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:11:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1F1CD7580FA; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43F97580F9 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2167f0c_b788_11d8_9b6e_00304828b574_6352; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:11:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0903446CE for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:11:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b1602c34_b788_11d8_906a_00304828b574_6304; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:11:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCC3219EC2 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:11:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 095B319CBD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14136-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mps5.plala.or.jp (c148240.vh.plala.or.jp [210.150.148.240]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F14019BE3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:10:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaitya ([220.99.214.83]) by mps5.plala.or.jp with ESMTP id <20040606071045.VESF2494.mps5.plala.or.jp@vaitya> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:10:45 +0900 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] chdir to mode 000 directory From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:10:34 +0900 In-Reply-To: <7f6d458de37491bcef201bd3338530b5@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > If you're in a hurry, I should think stat(2) will supply the > information you need. I wasn't in a hurry and I read through stat(2), intro(5), stat(5) (thank you for the suggestiong, lucio). I misunderstood the search permission of a directory as specifying whether if one can walk to the directory itself and I learned it's not. It specifies if one can issue walk in the directory. Having understood this semantic, there ocurred a question to me. This is yet another departure from UNIX semantics isn't it? Why is this so? I always be curious of this kind of things. I am eager to learn what lies behind the decisions of Plan 9 architects. Could someone slip what is or was in his mind? :) -- From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Sun Jun 6 19:44:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 6 16:24:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a7757ac_b78a_11d8_815a_00304828b574_16579; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:24:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD496345D59 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:24:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a453600_b78a_11d8_9b64_00304828b574_16576; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:24:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BF7877580FA; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:24:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7512C7580F9 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:24:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a04129c_b78a_11d8_981b_00304828b574_16573; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:24:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B41345D59 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:24:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9942238a_b78a_11d8_8702_00304828b574_16570; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:24:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 950D219CBD for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:24:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E589B19ADA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14642-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mps3.plala.or.jp (c146240.vh.plala.or.jp [210.150.146.240]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 151E019AB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vaitya ([220.99.214.83]) by mps3.plala.or.jp with ESMTP id <20040606072432.KSR3741.mps3.plala.or.jp@vaitya> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:24:32 +0900 Message-ID: <78e50f44e678dbfd52e086003bb73810@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:24:21 +0900 In-Reply-To: <7359f04904060520255a826c85@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu robpike> > but i've always resisted because it seems wrong to > change the meaning of newline depending where you > type it. You kindly warned me. Imho, it wasn't much comfortable than New window and 2-1 chord anyway. vdharani> > but doesnt it look vi-style? I was once a vi lover before I met with acme. It's hard to clear away the old habit, it seems. -- From robpike@gmail.com Sun Jun 6 19:44:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 6 16:40:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c6eb4b84_b78c_11d8_8bd0_00304828b574_32056; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:40:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5419B344469 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:40:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c567fe38_b78c_11d8_92d9_00304828b574_32046; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:40:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0361B7580FD; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:40:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82217580FC for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:40:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c481d980_b78c_11d8_9ace_00304828b574_32038; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:40:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BBD344A18 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:33:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd8ea8c8_b78b_11d8_87bc_00304828b574_25127; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 16:33:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5175919ED1 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:33:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F398819C30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15292-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.244]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 993FF19C04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 03:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r65so305174cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.119.28 with SMTP id r28mr28270cwc; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 00:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904060600333d3bca7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:33:31 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] chdir to mode 000 directory In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Having understood this semantic, there ocurred a question > to me. This is yet another departure from UNIX semantics > isn't it? Why is this so? plan 9 was not designed by going down a list of unix features and choosing which ones to change. it was started from scratch, so many details are different just because they ended up different, given the overall design. the permission model was designed from scratch, for instance. -rob From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 09:07:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a22a2c9a_b816_11d8_9309_00304828b574_22278; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:07:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87678344173 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:22:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a41f9808_b7ff_11d8_9ebd_00304828b574_29388; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:22:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 46F507580FE; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:22:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017257580FC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:22:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3321dda_b7ff_11d8_85f6_00304828b574_29377; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:22:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948DE344173 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 06:14:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74a435ee_b7fe_11d8_9fdd_00304828b574_21102; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:14:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D121119F01 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:14:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C34B019A6F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22996-02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.245]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3A98419CCE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 6 Jun 2004 17:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so152238cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.1.63 with SMTP id 63mr53723rna; Sun, 06 Jun 2004 14:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 16:13:40 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] stress relief X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Anyone know where to buy a Tux the Penguin punching bag? 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You having trouble? I don't get it. You're working with the best OS with the best VM ever written by humankind on the face of this earth. 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 01:28:44 -0000 Message-ID: <40C3CB8E.7060200@chunder.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:57:34 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Tux the Penguin punching bags should be free! Russ Cox wrote: > Anyone know where to buy a Tux the Penguin punching bag? 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Click again at the right time and the Yeti's bat will send Tux flying. 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 02:03:20 -0000 Message-ID: <40C3D3AB.5010300@chunder.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:32:12 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nu3e@arrl.net, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief References: <40C3CF52.8020407@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <40C3CF52.8020407@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Yeti's belting Tux with a bat should be free! Oh, they are ... John DeGood wrote: > Russ Cox wrote: > >> Anyone know where to buy a Tux the Penguin punching bag? > > http://meph.eu.org/ > > Click once and Tux will jump. Click again at the right time and the > Yeti's bat will send Tux flying. 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X-Sanitizer-URL: http://mailtools.anomy.net/ X-Sanitizer-Rev: $Id: Sanitizer.pm,v 1.64 2002/10/22 16:37:04 bre Exp $ X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John DeGood said: > http://meph.eu.org/ > for the fortune file? smack the pingu!!! 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 02:13:04 -0000 Message-ID: <40C3D5F4.6000508@chunder.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:41:56 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief References: <40C3CF52.8020407@comcast.net> <3242.165.247.34.145.1086574588.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> In-Reply-To: <3242.165.247.34.145.1086574588.squirrel@wish.cooper.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu http://obelix.jol.hu/pingu/ has a lot going on ... Joel Salomon wrote: > John DeGood said: > >> http://meph.eu.org/ >> > > for the fortune file? > smack the pingu!!! > I've got up to 490.2 on this timewaster. > > --Joel From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jun 8 10:35:52 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 15:53:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 575baf34_b84f_11d8_9963_00304828b574_10729; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:53:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D0934479C for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:53:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 569f30f2_b84f_11d8_847d_00304828b574_10620; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:53:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D29297580FF; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:53:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB9C758102 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:53:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54c8524a_b84f_11d8_9f63_00304828b574_10464; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:53:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F92B3447AF for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:49:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8b38afe_b84e_11d8_950e_00304828b574_6554; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 15:49:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC63E19EE5 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:49:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4464019CA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04240-02-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E0E919C56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 02:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil question From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:47:56 +0900 In-Reply-To: <76b7e370fee06115021edd359f3d4eb6@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, >does fossil leak? Now, I'm running networked fossil+Venti file server, and haven't seen this leaks. Mine is snaptime -a 0500 -s 60 -t 1440 and has 3.5GB fossil partition. df of my file server is being around several percents, and rarely upto fifteen percents, etc. Did your leak occur suddenly or gradually? Kenji From cej@gli.cas.cz Tue Jun 8 10:35:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 16:10:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b14d00ae_b851_11d8_8a61_00304828b574_27636; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:10:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFA0344B5B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:10:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b0f76bc6_b851_11d8_8365_00304828b574_27528; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:10:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B69BA7580FA; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:10:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8DB7580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:10:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b0bb353e_b851_11d8_95c5_00304828b574_27525; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:10:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373EC344B5B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:09:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id afe3840e_b851_11d8_8996_00304828b574_27520; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:09:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 93F4919CA3 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:09:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D4C8519B8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04240-02-99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2052919B80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:09:34 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:09:33 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Thread-Index: AcRMXmJ9ZYsrIJ2JQD6jAn0EgO/bHA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, friends, I post, with permission, an excerpt from a debate between me and Wlad = Los wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu ... ... would love to hear reactions from you! Best regards, ++pac. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Vladimir Los wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu wrote: >=20 > http://www.oberon.ethz.ch/native/WebScreen.html > :o) > And it was the same interface in the middle of 80ths... > As always IT community doesnt think about Wirth's work seriously. And > then (after years) makes similar solutions... >=20 ++pac: Perhaps you don't know that Acme was indeed inspired by Oberon = interface, see http://cm.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/acme/acme.html however, it seems to me [without personal experience with it] that = Oberon's menus are ordinary menus, not ordinary *text* that can be = inserted/modified by the user... Wlad: > Oh! excuse me! Really I didn't know about it! >=20 > > however, it seems to me [without personal experience with it] that > > Oberon's menus are ordinary menus, not ordinary *text* that can be=20 > > inserted/modified by the user... >=20 > Now it is my turn to say "Perhaps you don't know that..." :o) > In Oberon there is nothing but OBJECTS! You can insert/modify=20 > EVERYTHING. There is no difference between any things in the system=20 > ("files", texts, pics, labels, text formatters and scanners, items of=20 > menu - as you asked, ...) everything can be accessed and be=20 > manipulated=20 > by the same way. And it was from the beginning of Oberon system=20 > (aproxim. 1986 - I think...) > You can insert different controls in "text" or you can insert=20 > text into=20 > a "form" or you can even compile a button label (if you want=20 > think about=20 > it as a program text) :o))))) > Sometime I wonder very much why programmers doesn't know about these=20 > systems. May be programmers when they hear word "Wirth" think=20 > "Ahhh, I=20 > know Wirth is a Pascal inventor! But Pascal is the language for=20 > educational goals and not for "real" and "serious" programming.=20 > Consequently the systems developed by Wirth can not be serious." :o))) >=20 > But I sometime think that Wirth "took the baton from > bell-labs" when he=20 > return from there. Almost all famous solutions were made in=20 > Zurich and=20 > then applied by "grands" of IT industry... >=20 very interesting, but how can I live without C? :o)))) There were my thoghuts some time ago too!!! Of course I have to spend=20 some time to teach new system - but you have to do this for every new=20 system! :o) And yet one thing! Oberon diffirintiate from other world very much! It=20 is not "better" or "worse" - it is DIFFERENT. I have to take a habit... = ;o) > I'm a biologist and I need to run also ordinary "programs" > I have ported 50+ ones from various dialects of C to plan9 native C,=20 > and now I should learn Oberon language and port... :-( I am not a "violator". I have some spare/free time and I have seen your=20 message... ;o) Of course it is your decission to learn thomething or not... ;o) I just = give you an advice. And my impressions. I know c/c++, Modula-2,=20 Forth, Delphi, Smalltalk. The better it willl be to say "I worked in=20 them". But three years one my friend shown me Aos (it is the last of=20 ETHZ OS) And I will be "killed"... :o) THeir model of multitasking (and=20 synchronization) is something!!! Aos (or bluebottle=20 http://www.bluebottle.ethz.ch) is the result of 20 years researches. I=20 think it is the same sutiation - NOBODY else couldn't do the same OS.=20 And community even doesn't realize and understand WHAT has appeared!!!=20 ;o) The most of programmers are under the presse of old paradigms?=20 models and thinkings... ++pac: > In Oberon, can I just rewrite the text on a button of a running=20 program, without recompilation, > and the program just does this another command? > Acme does this. By this example I tried to show the flexibility of the system... :o) = But! Of course YOU CAN CHANGE THE behavior of every control without=20 recompilation. There many ways to do this. One of them - to change value = of field Link. :o) And yet some words... Rob Pike rob@plan9.bell-labs.com Originally appeared in Proc. of the Winter 1994 USENIX Conf., pp.=20 223-234, San Francisco, CA "Cedar was, however, the major inspiration for Oberon [Wirt89], a system = of similar scope but much smaller scale. Through careful selection of=20 Cedar's ideas, Oberon shows that its lessons can be applied to a small,=20 coherent system that can run efficiently on modest hardware. In fact,=20 Oberon probably errs too far towards simplicity: a single-process system = with weak networking, it seems an architectural throwback." Sometime I think why creators of most famouse OS of XX cent. look like=20 children or like liars. If you can remember other "father" of Unix Brian = Kernighan in his Why "Pascal is Not My Favorite Programming Language"=20 criticizes Pascal. But in both cases their "arguments" and "facts" are very week and may be = even false! It concernrs Brian's knowing of pascal development and Rob's = estimation of Oberon... One interesting question is Why do they speak wrong things? May be they=20 can look Oberon's potentials and they try to "avert" the attention of=20 community from Wirth's systems and works. But then they use Wirth's=20 result in their works! This is very interesting! I look at Limbo and=20 what I can see - Oberon with a mask! All the time they say "garbage=20 collection is a very bad thing", but introduce it into Inferno. "Byte=20 code is a waste of time" - but use it after Sun (which in their turn=20 used GC and byte-code after slim-binaries of Oberon). Of course Oberon (and its desc-s) are not so popular. But we have veru=20 strange state in our branch. Everybody use "popular" systems. These=20 systems use solutions developed in Wirth's labs. But these solutions in=20 those popular systems are not "native". They are fasten to those systems = with restrictions and under "other ideology" - they can not reveal all=20 of their advantages... In result we have half-decisions and we have to=20 correct problems due to them... And get looped circle again! Wlad: Now I am reading and I think that I walked in the dark forest using else = but not Oberon and Plan9. Now I am even afraid I have to go to Plan9! :o))) I like it more and more while I'm reading about it! :o) I'm going to stay after my work today and download it... ++pac: > [Oeron] has things > that Plan9 does not, eg. objects -- I suppose that GUI in Oberon is = just a > dynamic object that other programs-objects talk to, Something different. GUI IS a set of objects. We have several defined=20 interfaces and you can implement them and achieve neded functionality.=20 Of course the system has predefined implementations of interfaces and=20 then it works... :o) > so any change to this single object affects all other programs talking = > to it, am I right? Yes as we could see if you change for example any property (through=20 Colombo - program-object to access working objects) this change=20 transforms the object "on the fly". More You can change implementation=20 of any objects without "stopping" the system or any part of it. For = example I just can relink refference to other "window manager" and=20 my interface becomes 3D or like in Windows... Of course to achieve such flexibility you (your objects) must fulfil=20 some rules (support defined interfaces). And the most pleasure for me is GARBAGE COLLECTOR!!!!!!!! I know I am not the most attentive homo in this Universe. I make a great = deal of mistakes concerning alloc/free of memory. May be it is due to my = thoughts about rules of proper language are flying behind the thoughts=20 about problem I am solving... :o) But with GC I became to focus only on problem domain not on system low=20 level specific things. I have got very strong habit to program in GC-language. IT'S VERY=20 COMFORTABLE AND YOUR PRODICTIVITY GROWS MUCH MORE! And I am not going to = change such class of systems to something else. May be Java (and system=20 based on it), or Limbo (in Inferno), or Smalltalk... :o) > Plan 9 even has no shared libs (like .so, .dll), thus you have to=20 > relink everything each time you make a change in a library. Everything = > is statically linked. They state that shared libs are not needed,=20 > though not harmful if appropriately used. ??????????????????????????? It is something new for me!!!! And Pike can write that Oberon is step=20 backward????????? :o)))) The dynamic linking and loading is one of the "elephant" to achieve=20 flexibility. Now ETHZ is ending new core of Aos. It becomes real-time. That's great = news! > nevertheless, shared libs are not true objects. I'm not the proper=20 > person to discuss pros and cons of OO paradigm. I was pursuaded I can=20 > live w/o objects :-) Oh, no! It's just a mirage! I can assure you 101% :o) I can't live w/o=20 objects! Nobody can! :o) Unix was so successful because of it was=20 defined one very useful and common OBJECT - "FILE"... :o)))) And I wont=20 speak about graphical library. May be you can't inherit from library's=20 object but the ideology ot those libraries is object. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From cej@gli.cas.cz Tue Jun 8 10:35:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 16:18:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2b1cb06_b852_11d8_9ee3_00304828b574_2170; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6284E3453C0 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e27ba760_b852_11d8_9c05_00304828b574_2167; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4E2A77580FA; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:18:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065297580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e241f678_b852_11d8_943e_00304828b574_2164; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:18:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191BD3453C0 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:18:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1964418_b852_11d8_836f_00304828b574_2161; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:18:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5228019CBA for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:18:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D307E19BE8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09625-01-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A211919BDB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 03:18:14 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:18:14 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme: some thoughts about design Thread-Index: AcRMX5itfnosad07TLKxonzPNEHefA== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme: some thoughts about design X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> Am I wrong? > >yes > why? ++pac. 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Again, why would be an "acme sam" a bad solution?? sorry if i am too naive... best, ++pac. 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I prefer a skied one to a nice cover drive; the penguin comes down head first. This one's for clone(). Thwack! This one's for the useless default bdflush settings. Thwack! This one's for the memory allocator. Thwack! And so on. 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Gwyn" Message-ID: <066dnYC6OPYyzlzdRVn-jw@comcast.com> Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <0cfa374ef618e89ef35af9f93e0d1da2@terzarima.net>, <05e301c44944$79faa650$9a7e7d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu boyd, rounin wrote: > i think we [Christophe ?] and i found that the registers could > be now named with multi char names, yesterday. iirc: > .nr foo 1 1 > ... > \([foo] > now, that is not troff. What is especially unfortunate is that SoftQuad did a better job of designing such extensions to troff, but whoever did the above came up with an incompatible scheme. From michaelo@supermail.com.ua Tue Jun 8 10:35:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 18:03:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 989b6202_b861_11d8_90a0_00304828b574_1180; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:03:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A64E345D14 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:03:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9866a4fe_b861_11d8_9b26_00304828b574_1174; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:03:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B1D897580FA; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:03:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280C87580FC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:03:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 965f69a2_b861_11d8_9651_00304828b574_1153; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:03:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2101C345D17 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:03:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86bcd0fc_b861_11d8_9320_00304828b574_979; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:03:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 59AB619EAF for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:03:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32E4019A53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18301-02-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 569C619A63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXFyA-0002Jp-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 09:59:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:55:29 GMT From: Michaelo Message-ID: <40C39188.50005222@supermail.com.ua> Organization: UkrNet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > > Anyone know where to buy a Tux the Penguin punching bag? Try to go the the Amsterdam, and from it to Helsinki, There are wild road to pinguins nests. :))) So, what's happend with "plan nein"! From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Tue Jun 8 10:35:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 18:15:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26d03a60_b863_11d8_85ff_00304828b574_9838; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:15:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1927345D51 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:14:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 269dd3ae_b863_11d8_8f56_00304828b574_9835; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:14:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 84B0F7580FB; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:14:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3BD7580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:14:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 265dda38_b863_11d8_83e5_00304828b574_9831; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:14:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B638345D51 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:14:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25b06c36_b863_11d8_8552_00304828b574_9826; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:14:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D60C19CD3 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:14:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B3EA19B59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23392-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.net.titech.ac.jp (mx2.net.titech.ac.jp [131.112.125.31]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 9376F19B2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12474 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2004 09:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 09:14:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Jun 2004 09:14:36 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i579EaF284995; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:14:36 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <3e07035e3fd999955736eb52895722b0@orthanc.cc.titech.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:14:29 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > 502. > I prefer a skied one to a nice cover drive 502 with skied one?! Bravo!! > This one's for clone(). Thwack! You will be replied with Rhwack! -- From cej@gli.cas.cz Tue Jun 8 10:35:53 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 18:43:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 10b0b076_b867_11d8_8e98_00304828b574_6363; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83398344BB9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 107f15a2_b867_11d8_81dc_00304828b574_6360; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E188F758106; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:42:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFB17580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:42:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0da403b0_b867_11d8_803c_00304828b574_6319; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:42:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94043344E73 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:31:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82da8836_b865_11d8_8c7f_00304828b574_26760; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:31:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B35F19ED6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:31:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7231819C37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18301-02-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 567AB19C32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 05:31:34 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:31:33 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mouse behavior Thread-Index: AcRMcjjlFowPatwmSAKAk2PYYVSDdw== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] mouse behavior X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu if my ps/2 mouse is removed and reinserted, cursor gets "frozen" feature, or bug? ++pac. From cej@gli.cas.cz Tue Jun 8 10:35:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:03:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 02f729b2_b883_11d8_9c94_00304828b574_29360; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:03:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43501345F0B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:03:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 02af93d6_b883_11d8_9a81_00304828b574_29322; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:03:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 260077580FA; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:03:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCC87580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0263949a_b883_11d8_97fa_00304828b574_29282; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B26F345F0B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:03:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0192f9de_b883_11d8_8558_00304828b574_29147; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E165B19EB7 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85A9119EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08881-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8087919EB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:36 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:02:35 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design (long) Thread-Index: AcRMj7OGnHNxmyrXTwCcy7qyJod2jw== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design (long) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu DEBATE CONTINUES ;-) ++pac: >=20 > Now ETHZ is ending new core of Aos. It becomes real-time. > That's great news! >=20 what does it mean "real-time" ? I heard it many times but still dont = know... > > nevertheless, shared libs are not true objects. I'm not the proper > > person to discuss pros and cons of OO paradigm. I was=20 > pursuaded I can > > live w/o objects :-) >=20 > Oh, no! It's just a mirage! I can assure you 101% :o) I can't > live w/o=20 > objects! Nobody can! :o) Unix was so successful because of it was=20 > defined one very useful and common OBJECT - "FILE"... :o))))=20 yes... > And I wont > speak about graphical library. May be you can't inherit from=20 > library's=20 > object but the ideology ot those libraries is object. >=20 ++pac: > is it really just a GUI to complete Bluebottle functionality?? So I=20 > can get rid of all those colourful windows and buttons? Hmmm... Of Course I can understand first reaction of a man who went from = Unix world! :o))) But I can say: You have CLI anywhere you want! :o) May = be it is just a case of a habit? Wlad: > What is it CLI? Commandline interface? > Do I have "Command.command ^ selected arguments~ middleclick" in BB,=20 > too? Anywhere? Yes. Where you want and where it is compfirtable for you. Module.Procedure ^ - take "arguments" in the last selection (in any=20 window, not just from the same window) Module.Procedure * - take marked object (may be whole window as a=20 "parameter", more friquent it is used for compilation for example. For=20 instance we can mark (by pressing F1) window with program source text=20 and type "Builder.Compile /s *"...) Module.Procedure arg1 arg2 arg3 ... argN ~ - just simple command with=20 its arguments. "~" means the end of argument list. Any command doesn't=20 require it. > We have similar "text-command-in-one-place arguments-elsewhere=20 > middleclick-leftclick" in p9, however in AcmeUI only. No-no. IN OBERON YOU CAN INPUT COMMANDS ANYWHERE YOU WANT! > In an alternative, but concurrent, Rio (terminal) window you can only=20 > select command together with its arguments and "send" it (via menu) to = > execute... "Menu items" in Oberon are just "carriers" of links to "commands". It=20 has been done just for convenience. > we have basically two GUIs in p9, that can run concurrently: one is=20 > normal windowing environment, Rio, with a terminal window for each=20 > process, capable of displaying text and graphics, and driven by menu,=20 > and an AcmeUI, which is much like old Oberon UI, but runing within a=20 > Rio window like frames, or panes, and driven via text commands=20 > (pre)written anywhere. Its just the question of you wish. You can open "desktops" with usual=20 overlapped windows. But they remain "oberonish" window where you can do=20 the same things as at tiled window GUI. > Well, most importantly, do I have scripting in BB? With "if" and=20 > loops? which languege, Oberon? The main biuty is due to architecture of Oberon system you don't have=20 separate languges for different goals. You just create modules. You even = do not differentiate "sustem" and "user" modules. You just expand system = functionality by adding new developed modules or change it by replacing=20 its default modules with yours. From jsnader@ix.netcom.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:26:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49217b60_b886_11d8_8ac0_00304828b574_19776; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:26:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98A23344987 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:26:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 48ef6d82_b886_11d8_8b5e_00304828b574_19773; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:26:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 141E9758102; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:26:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC827580FC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:26:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46da2e1a_b886_11d8_806d_00304828b574_19744; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:26:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA44A34523C for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:19:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ba5419c_b885_11d8_962b_00304828b574_12014; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:19:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D80F019F17 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:19:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF9D019EC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08449-01-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jsnader.netwolvesrd.com (cmc-gw.customer.alter.net [63.122.229.22]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6982B19D81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jsnader.netwolvesrd.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C1C9D5A9; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:19:01 -0400 From: Jon Snader To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages Message-ID: <20040607131901.GA84365@ix.netcom.com> Mail-Followup-To: Jon Snader , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <05e301c44944$79faa650$9a7e7d50@SOMA> <066dnYC6OPYyzlzdRVn-jw@comcast.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <066dnYC6OPYyzlzdRVn-jw@comcast.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 08:55:11AM +0000, Douglas A. Gwyn wrote: > boyd, rounin wrote: > >i think we [Christophe ?] and i found that the registers could > >be now named with multi char names, yesterday. iirc: > > .nr foo 1 1 > > ... > > \([foo] > >now, that is not troff. > > What is especially unfortunate is that SoftQuad did a > better job of designing such extensions to troff, but > whoever did the above came up with an incompatible > scheme. What's unfortunate is that we are spending more and more of our time on this list bashing Unix/Linux/Gnu, instead of addressing the advantages and problems with Plan 9. It's always fun to stick a finger in the eye of a competitor, of course, but providing a vehicle for this pleasure is not my understanding of what Plan 9 is all about. What's unfortunate is that our bashing is often misinformed, both in spirit and in detail. The above comments are a case in point. Is there anyone here who really maintains that the two character name space in [nt]roff is not a disadvantage? Why should we complain that groff has removed this disadvantage? Why should we not remove it from [nt]roff? The answer given above is that the extension is incompatible, but that is incorrect. The groff rules for using registers are the same as for [nt]roff except that register names greater than 3 characters use brackets *instead* of the opening parenthesis: \n[foo] (NOT \([foo]) \*[bar] etc. Since I have personally typeset many of the Version 7 papers with groff, I can attest to its compatibility with [nt]roff. What's unfortunate is that many of us here act as if no one else has anything to teach us. Plan 9 is great software and a shining example of excellence in design, but just maybe it isn't the final answer on all questions. jcs From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jun 8 10:35:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:42:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 859cc2be_b888_11d8_8f34_00304828b574_4640; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC41344170 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8563cb62_b888_11d8_9d51_00304828b574_4635; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:42:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 697B87580FA; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:42:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB107580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:42:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8272b6fc_b888_11d8_8659_00304828b574_4600; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:42:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28CBD344170 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:34:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 702d7b40_b887_11d8_8d5b_00304828b574_28204; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:34:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 177CF19ED6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:34:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 255DD19ECD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08881-01-95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0E7C19EC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.177]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 62BA137CB3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:34:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <027101c44c93$a488f8c0$b17e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <8a0724fb793684a7720fe9fb69ea3f4c@borf.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:30:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i've always thought those little tux soft toys would make great 9mm pistol targets. From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:44:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6cd5dc4_b888_11d8_8f05_00304828b574_7054; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:44:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433023442E3 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:44:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d696e51e_b888_11d8_8da7_00304828b574_7046; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:44:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1D056758100; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:44:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABBE758107 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:44:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d02a4536_b888_11d8_9dc1_00304828b574_6958; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:44:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9852344518 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:37:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c2b820c2_b887_11d8_9841_00304828b574_30581; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:37:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C247419EF1 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:37:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E45A19ECD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09237-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C677719EC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so169225cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr70501cwb; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:36:46 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu If you want to see it leak, create a large (say, 10MB) file, take a snapshot, and then delete the file. All the blocks at the bottom of the tree will leak. I've fixed fossil (I think!) but I want to run the code here for a few days before I put it on sources. I also put in a "check" console command and tossed flchk. Russ From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:45:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e168d5c4_b888_11d8_9007_00304828b574_7539; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:45:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF33344518 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:45:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1223c54_b888_11d8_94f0_00304828b574_7492; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:45:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F1B997580F9; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:45:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5420758106 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:44:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d81985c2_b888_11d8_84cd_00304828b574_7069; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:44:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12AE34434F for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:41:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 64da858e_b888_11d8_9c0f_00304828b574_3518; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:41:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F61F19EE4 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:41:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20C4119ECD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09237-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:41:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.251]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E798A19EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so169295cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.1.63 with SMTP id 63mr70136rna; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:41:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:41:16 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse behavior In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > if my ps/2 mouse is removed and reinserted, cursor gets "frozen" > feature, or bug? echo mousereset >/dev/mousectl granted, this is somewhat hard to do if you don't have a mouse. but often not impossible. From nemo@lsub.org Tue Jun 8 10:35:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:45:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e143ba50_b888_11d8_9c16_00304828b574_7500; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:45:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA20344476 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:45:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0d383b6_b888_11d8_892c_00304828b574_7451; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:45:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CAFBC7580FB; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:44:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3BF7580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:44:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d4bd9c6a_b888_11d8_9dae_00304828b574_7017; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:44:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE42344C1F for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:39:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 113d0bc2_b888_11d8_885b_00304828b574_1094; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:39:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 90D1F19EEA for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:39:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD55119B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12876-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:38:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4492119EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil question From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:38:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-fkdusldheicwxkgrfdaijrapzr" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-fkdusldheicwxkgrfdaijrapzr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool. It's great to see you found it so fast. --upas-fkdusldheicwxkgrfdaijrapzr Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Mon Jun 7 15:36:53 MDT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2AA019EE9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E45A19ECD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09237-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.242]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C677719EC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so169225cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr70501cwb; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:36:46 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fossil question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu If you want to see it leak, create a large (say, 10MB) file, take a snapshot, and then delete the file. All the blocks at the bottom of the tree will leak. I've fixed fossil (I think!) but I want to run the code here for a few days before I put it on sources. I also put in a "check" console command and tossed flchk. Russ --upas-fkdusldheicwxkgrfdaijrapzr-- From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:45:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e5ce9126_b888_11d8_91fe_00304828b574_7920; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:45:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FD313445B6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:45:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e58fc66c_b888_11d8_8358_00304828b574_7912; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:45:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EFB21758107; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:45:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA480758116 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:44:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da88e294_b888_11d8_81ce_00304828b574_7119; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:44:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAFD344419 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:43:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a493f868_b888_11d8_88de_00304828b574_5739; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:43:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C322919ED9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:43:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9ADF319B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13796-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.241]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5660319EC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so169332cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.23 with SMTP id x23mr70815cwb; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:43:05 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > could anyone explain me why Edit command (plus the whole language) > was hardwired into acme (thus breaking its purpose as UI, not an editor, > and moving closer in spirit to those windozish bloat apps, IMHO) > instead of a separate prog, like mail was implemented? > Again, why would be an "acme sam" a bad solution?? > sorry if i am too naive... You could try using the old edit interface as described in the acme paper. It was clunky. Piping things through sed or just running sam to do what you wanted was much better. In contrast, I use Edit almost every day, to do things that you can't do with sed. Russ From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jun 8 10:35:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:52:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc1d9b26_b889_11d8_9d7b_00304828b574_13253; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A406345282 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dbd4cc02_b889_11d8_916c_00304828b574_13225; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A945758103; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 343597580FE for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id da6dd4da_b889_11d8_9db8_00304828b574_13048; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A50345280 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d966db22_b889_11d8_9d8a_00304828b574_12898; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8C0319F09 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 44A9C19ED7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09237-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 249A419ED4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.177]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B0372672D4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:51:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <02e601c44c96$0e0572e0$b17e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:47:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > could anyone explain me why Edit command (plus the whole language) > was hardwired into acme (thus breaking its purpose as UI, not an editor, i think you'll find it was designed to be an editor. > and moving closer in spirit to those windozish bloat apps, IMHO) > instead of a separate prog, like mail was implemented? then i think all this other stuff was added, turning it into a UI. 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From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 22:52:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9a2e8cc_b889_11d8_8c29_00304828b574_13819; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356CC34528D for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f96d4c1c_b889_11d8_9dd8_00304828b574_13816; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 21C0A7580FB; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5117580FA for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f932f90e_b889_11d8_9dbb_00304828b574_13813; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA70934528D for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 22:52:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f8845142_b889_11d8_99d4_00304828b574_13807; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F59319F2C for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:52:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC78319EF4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13752-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.248]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6083819EDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so147754cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.98.15 with SMTP id v15mr71156cwb; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 06:52:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:52:35 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] acme design (long) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu You're not arguing about Acme vs. Oberon. You're arguing about Plan 9 vs. Oberon. As Rob said a few days ago, no one sat down and said "let's build a system that's not like Unix", and similarly no one set out to build a "non-Oberon". Plan 9 and Oberon are both clean systems built around simple (but different) models of how computing resources should be presented. They each have their advantages and disadvantages. Once you accept that, it's easy to see that Acme is, as Rob said in the paper, inspired by the Oberon look and feel but adapted to the Plan 9 model instead of the Oberon one: Acme is a new program, a combined window system, editor, and shell, that applies some of the ideas distilled by Oberon. Where Oberon uses objects and modules within a programming language (also called Oberon), Acme uses files and commands within an existing operating system (Plan 9). There's not much point in answering any of the specifics of your "debate" emails. You're arguing about the relative merits of apples and oranges. Good luck. Russ From palazzol@comcast.net Tue Jun 8 10:35:57 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 23:01:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 279f6f56_b88b_11d8_96e2_00304828b574_21372; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:01:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA5A344344 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27654812_b88b_11d8_907b_00304828b574_21367; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B4F927580FA; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:01:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C5B7580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 272450fa_b88b_11d8_9ae5_00304828b574_21364; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7450A344717 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:01:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26768a7e_b88b_11d8_9cae_00304828b574_21360; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:01:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D3E519F04 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:01:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EF66619ED7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13752-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from westland.gr-lakes.com (unknown [209.114.228.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6FD5519AC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Frank (64.1.120.130.ptr.us.xo.net [64.1.120.130]) by westland.gr-lakes.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i57DrWI01879 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:53:32 -0400 From: "Frank Palazzolo" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:01:54 -0400 Organization: Knarfian Labs Message-ID: <001201c44c97$fda46a80$1600100a@Frank> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-MailScanner-From: palazzol@comcast.net X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Building a cpu/auth server X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I decided to give up on the goofy "terminal as auth server" config, and = I built a cpu/auth server last night for the first time. I ran into one = small detail that's not addressed in the wiki. As suggested, I decided to try = to build a kernel based on pcauth, but with a different name: cp pcauth pcautha acme apautha mk 'CONF=3Dpcautha' This didn't work for me - I got some kind of error like "Mk: don't know = how to make XXXX.out file". I ended up backing up the pcauth file, and = using a modified pcauth instead, and it worked fine. From looking at the = mkfile, it looks like there are a set of special names that work as 'CONF=3DXX"? I'm still debugging my auth configuration, but all-in-all it went really smoothly. I was amazed at how fast the kernel built on my crummy PentiumI-200. I might have to figure out how to edit the wiki now :) Thanks, -Frank From matt@juice.thebigchoice.com Tue Jun 8 10:35:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 23:14:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1f95fd6_b88c_11d8_98a7_00304828b574_31719; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:14:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC068345F93 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:14:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1c0f812_b88c_11d8_812c_00304828b574_31716; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:14:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B83F47580FA; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:14:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9507580F9 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:14:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1866c7e_b88c_11d8_9129_00304828b574_31679; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:14:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B915345F93 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:14:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f0d71882_b88c_11d8_8fde_00304828b574_31608; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:14:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1C8B19EDB for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8ECA319EC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17387-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc2-nott2-3-0-cust59.nott.cable.ntl.com [80.4.205.59]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F5CB19B48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1fbd8b59b1d9427eb540ceb9c50caf83@juice.thebigchoice.com> X-TAG: matty Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:16:23 +0100 From: matt@juice.thebigchoice.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Building a cpu/auth server In-Reply-To: <001201c44c97$fda46a80$1600100a@Frank> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Frank bind pcautha pcauth mk 'CONF=pcauth' presumably you also now have all sorts of crud in your source directory personally I use this : #!/bin/rc mysrc = /usr/matt/plan9_local/sys/src for (d in 9/pc 9/ip 9/alphapc 9/bitsy 9/boot 9/port 9/mtx boot/alphapc boot/arm boot/pc ) { if(! test -d $mysrc/$d) mkdir $mysrc/$d bind -cb $mysrc/$d /sys/src/$d } m From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:36:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 7 23:50:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09e059b0_b892_11d8_9318_00304828b574_32065; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:50:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F1F344ADA for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:50:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 08fae56a_b892_11d8_8509_00304828b574_32057; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:50:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E5D59758102; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:50:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CAA7580FF for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:50:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0800a082_b892_11d8_8545_00304828b574_32048; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:50:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DCB93443EC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c975dd06_b890_11d8_8010_00304828b574_22952; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5C5EA19F01 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:41:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F90219ED4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22281-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CD28E19ED3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so148441cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.34 with SMTP id x34mr72636cwb; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:41:20 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Building a cpu/auth server In-Reply-To: <1fbd8b59b1d9427eb540ceb9c50caf83@juice.thebigchoice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1fbd8b59b1d9427eb540ceb9c50caf83@juice.thebigchoice.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > bind pcautha pcauth > mk 'CONF=pcauth' You don't want this. You will certainly confuse yourself when next you try to build pcauth, since there will be object files that look like pcauth but are really pcautha. cp pcauth pcautha mk 'CONF=pcautha' should work just fine. What is the exact error message? Does it go away if you run mk 'CONF=pcautha' 9pcautha ? The list of pcauth pcf etc. names in the mkfile is for cleanup and installation purposes only. It doesn't limit what you can say on the mk command line. The other bindings suggested by matt are much more reasonable, since they don't result in as much confusion should you forget to do the bind. Still, if you're worrying about not making new files in the /sys/src/9 tree, it's even easier just to copy the whole tree -- the kernel is so small anyway. Russ From michaelo@supermail.com.ua Tue Jun 8 10:36:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 00:18:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e06873ac_b895_11d8_8232_00304828b574_28368; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:18:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB993345FB7 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e02fd790_b895_11d8_9de7_00304828b574_28365; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B82107580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:18:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE167580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dff49f86_b895_11d8_88e4_00304828b574_28328; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70151345FB7 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:18:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id df3f0680_b895_11d8_9ab4_00304828b574_28257; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:18:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62CAD19F4C for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A48A719EE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22291-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C91019EC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXLfO-0006yC-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 16:04:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:00:32 GMT From: Michaelo Message-ID: <40C44944.36BB5D41@supermail.com.ua> Organization: UkrNet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse behavior X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > > if my ps/2 mouse is removed and reinserted, cursor gets "frozen" > feature, or bug? PS/2 mouse potrebuje inicializaciji, tak samo j u X-Window. PS/2 mice need initialisation after reset, the same will be happend in X-Window under linux too. > > ++pac. From matt@juice.thebigchoice.com Tue Jun 8 10:36:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 00:25:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e415c5ee_b896_11d8_8ba7_00304828b574_2263; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:25:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8330B346034 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:25:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3e3010e_b896_11d8_8bba_00304828b574_2258; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:25:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 648C97580FB; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:25:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFA07580FA for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:25:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3a2637e_b896_11d8_9d72_00304828b574_2254; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:25:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D51C346027 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e2f5ae22_b896_11d8_94cb_00304828b574_2245; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7BF919F35 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:25:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EA63219D4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21509-01-99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc2-nott2-3-0-cust59.nott.cable.ntl.com [80.4.205.59]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C1EA19A82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: X-TAG: matty Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:27:33 +0100 From: matt@juice.thebigchoice.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Building a cpu/auth server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I see what you mean about the first bind. I dont use that way anyway wrt the other binds : just doing what Rob advised that way if you do a replica and a file changes in /sys/src your copied version wont get out of step *and* you know which files you have changed just by ls, if they aren't there, you haven't changed them. Easier than walking the whole tree with diff but, hey, whatever works for you m From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jun 8 10:36:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 00:26:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1675b526_b897_11d8_835d_00304828b574_3031; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:26:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042A2346034 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:26:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 163d81ba_b897_11d8_877e_00304828b574_3028; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:26:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3B187580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:26:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CF87580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:26:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1602683c_b897_11d8_9c84_00304828b574_3025; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:26:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6AD346034 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:26:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1555f21e_b897_11d8_8bcf_00304828b574_3022; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:26:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E228419ECC for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:26:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BDC9119D4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22321-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9F87819A82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.177]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6848037D42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:26:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <037f01c44ca3$4791bc50$b17e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40C44944.36BB5D41@supermail.com.ua> Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse behavior Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 17:22:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > PS/2 mice need initialisation after reset, > the same will be happend in X-Window under linux too. if so, why isn't it automatic? From robpike@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 10:36:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 00:54:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef27efda_b89a_11d8_959e_00304828b574_26008; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:54:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBF03465C2 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:54:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eeee039c_b89a_11d8_9a40_00304828b574_26003; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:54:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EA9057580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:54:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80757580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:54:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eeb67c60_b89a_11d8_9586_00304828b574_26000; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:54:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE363465C2 for ; 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Mon, 07 Jun 2004 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.2 with SMTP id p2mr42440cwc; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 08:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f049040607085354f3851c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:53:56 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu acme and the acme paper were written many years ago, when oberon was vastly less capable than it is now. oberon was and is an interesting system; you know what they say about imitation. however, even today, i don't think oberon has an analog to the key new idea in acme: acquisition with button 3. -rob From jason@tommyk.com Tue Jun 8 10:36:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 00:57:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 525d320e_b89b_11d8_842b_00304828b574_27924; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:57:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2513465D3 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:57:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5224a42a_b89b_11d8_8664_00304828b574_27917; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 00:57:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5EE2A7580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:57:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154187580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 00:57:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51e4e402_b89b_11d8_814d_00304828b574_27880; 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Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [204.60.70.253] (bofh.tommyk.com [204.60.70.253]) by ophiopogon.tommyk.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i57FucCl011779 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 11:56:38 -0400 Message-ID: <40C49036.803@tommyk.com> Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:56:38 -0400 From: Jason Gurtz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6b (Windows/20040427) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse behavior References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On 6/7/2004 05:31, cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > if my ps/2 mouse is removed and reinserted, cursor gets "frozen" > feature, or bug? I'm pretty sure that--at least for pc hardware--neither ps/2 port is required to support hot swapping. ~Jason -- From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jun 8 10:36:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 01:14:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7f53998_b89d_11d8_9003_00304828b574_13277; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:14:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45BA344CE1 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:14:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b70ec044_b89d_11d8_84f4_00304828b574_13230; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:14:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6D51C7580FD; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:14:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3EE7580FA for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:14:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b60de1f2_b89d_11d8_9795_00304828b574_13144; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:14:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA42344C76 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 01:06:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9be89cb4_b89c_11d8_9fc8_00304828b574_4832; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:06:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F147819EFB for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:06:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 463B119EF0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22413-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08C2F19EF3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.126.177]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C7D5967307 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:05:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <03b101c44ca8$c8c72e90$b17e7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40C49036.803@tommyk.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse behavior Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 18:02:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I'm pretty sure that--at least for pc hardware--neither ps/2 port is > required to support hot swapping. damn thing should drop/raise some line on disconnect/connect. the optical ones use 'phantom' power so it _should_ be possible, but maybe the pc side doesn't you access to that sort of info. 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what is different between wiki pages and others? i am behind a proxy server. is that a problem? i use wiki pages for quick reference. things become tough when i am not able to access it. any clues? thanks dharani From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 8 18:09:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 12:28:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f8836bac_b8fb_11d8_8ae7_00304828b574_21399; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:28:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75EB345539 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:28:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f84bb324_b8fb_11d8_8474_00304828b574_21395; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:28:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C8BE67580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:28:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D6D7580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:28:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f804b082_b8fb_11d8_9803_00304828b574_21392; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:28:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A29345539 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:28:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7584e32_b8fb_11d8_82a8_00304828b574_21383; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:28:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E22019F3B for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:28:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5127B19F1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17250-02-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.243]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0DDD819F19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so186882cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.7 with SMTP id x7mr94392cwb; Mon, 07 Jun 2004 20:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 23:28:29 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] wiki In-Reply-To: <64261.192.11.226.116.1086673213.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40C4FAB1.9080609@none.com> <64261.192.11.226.116.1086673213.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/1/index.html looks fine to me. The wiki is program-generated so it's possible that a web proxy between you and the server is not liking it. Russ From cej@gli.cas.cz Tue Jun 8 18:09:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 15:51:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4891d00e_b918_11d8_9340_00304828b574_8735; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:51:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13774345A55 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 484c8e68_b918_11d8_81c4_00304828b574_8732; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:51:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E8A357580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E767580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 480ec20e_b918_11d8_9c8d_00304828b574_8729; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:51:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9B4345A55 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:51:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 473f6284_b918_11d8_891a_00304828b574_8726; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:51:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 455CE19F2A for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:51:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 04F5919F2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10402-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94C6619F30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:51:06 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:51:05 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Thread-Index: AcRNJPgYkC+eciHdQBmnjmE8UUiB2g== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > acme and the acme paper were written many years ago, > when oberon was vastly less capable than it is now. > oberon was and is an interesting system; you know > what they say about imitation. dunno? > however, even today, i don't think oberon has an analog > to the key new idea in acme: acquisition with button 3. I'm not going to switch to oberon ;-)) i think it doesn't have anything like buton3 acquisition, and piping to dot. And plumbing, of course. BTW, old Oberon is dead, and Bluebottle has much more widozish look'n'feel, which i don't like... Not to say, how could I live without C? However, some (maybe) provocative questions remain, namely : is OO paradigm overcome/superseeded/abandoned, or has more cons than = pros? From cej@gli.cas.cz Tue Jun 8 18:09:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 15:56:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb57a0c0_b918_11d8_9a5e_00304828b574_12318; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:56:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C31345A3C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb21592a_b918_11d8_9e45_00304828b574_12312; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:56:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2BB607580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89C07580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eae6bfb8_b918_11d8_838d_00304828b574_12278; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:56:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAAA345A3C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:56:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea3b50c4_b918_11d8_9887_00304828b574_12207; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:56:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C8AA19F46 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:56:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B343419F2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14674-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D42B19C42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 02:55:48 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:55:47 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: acme design (long) Thread-Index: AcRNJaBP5ABAcsmBT/afUiXLHABZug== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] acme design (long) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >Where Oberon uses objects >and modules within a programming language (also >called Oberon), Acme uses files and commands >within an existing operating system (Plan 9). Now I see. I didn't read thoroughly, sigh. Sorry for that, ++pac. From wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu Tue Jun 8 18:09:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 16:31:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ebc197b4_b91d_11d8_915d_00304828b574_16162; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:31:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1AE34479F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:31:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb8a0088_b91d_11d8_80c9_00304828b574_16159; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:31:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 558897580FA; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:31:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0999C7580F9 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:31:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb4dae08_b91d_11d8_90c2_00304828b574_16156; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:31:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B21E34479F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:31:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eaa11a94_b91d_11d8_8b75_00304828b574_16153; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 16:31:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 149F219F2C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:31:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 484CE19F16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09840-02-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu [194.44.157.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C10119D91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 03:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mipk.kharkiv.edu (sunrise.mipk.kharkiv.edu [192.168.9.136]) by flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i587U6LO097719 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:30:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Message-ID: <40C56B70.90404@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:32:00 +0300 From: Vladimir Los Organization: IIAT NTU "KhPI" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: ru, uk, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) References: <7359f049040607085354f3851c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7359f049040607085354f3851c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Rob Pike wrote: > acme and the acme paper were written many years ago, > when oberon was vastly less capable than it is now. > oberon was and is an interesting system; you know > what they say about imitation. Excme, Rob, what do they say about imitation? :o) > however, even today, i don't think oberon has an analog > to the key new idea in acme: acquisition with button 3. What's wrong with button 3? Have you any plans to add real-time features to Plan9 or Inferno? Where can I read about requirements to resources for minimum installation of Inferno? Did you heared about QNX? What is your oppinion about it? From wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu Tue Jun 8 18:09:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 17:17:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 39b6da28_b924_11d8_8e32_00304828b574_21555; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:17:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3849D345AEC for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:17:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3982d778_b924_11d8_9e86_00304828b574_21515; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:17:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AE43D7580FF; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:17:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214A7758102 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:17:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 38433fd8_b924_11d8_92a4_00304828b574_21382; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:17:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F2D345AED for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:17:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 375a981e_b924_11d8_946b_00304828b574_21255; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:17:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 986F619F4F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:16:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7085D19F30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22395-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu [194.44.157.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D7D919B5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mipk.kharkiv.edu (sunrise.mipk.kharkiv.edu [192.168.9.136]) by flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i588FU25099088 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:15:34 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Message-ID: <40C57614.7030405@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 11:17:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Los Organization: IIAT NTU "KhPI" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: ru, uk, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Good Day, Peter! I am here at last... :o) > I'm not going to switch to oberon ;-)) > i think it doesn't have anything like buton3 acquisition, What do you and Rob talk about every time? Is button 3 role something special in our life? :o))) Oberon not only use all three buttons, but inserts so called "interclicks"... Due to them the count of functions, which can be done by mouse (without keyboard shortcuts) increases... > and piping to dot. And plumbing, of course. I've started to learn Plan 9 as you know three days ago. What do you mean saing about these things? Is it analog of "clipboard"? In Oberon you can manipulate selected chunks of texts (not only texts but objects of any types!). Of course Oberon has no analog of pipe (yet, because of needless), but you can refer to need info by using special sintax agreements (*, ~, ^). Additionally, as I can see what Plan9/Inferno users can do only in acme, Oberon users can do everywhere in the system. Any part (chaunk) of text fulfiled syntax agreement (Module.Procedure) can be executed as "command"... > BTW, old Oberon is dead, A few brave sentence. They just transformed to new generation systems. and Bluebottle has much more > widozish look'n'feel, which i don't like... Again. You have to see a great influance of Windows to "masses". Oberon had very reach mouse actions combinations. But mainstream prefer "windozish" approaches. I do not like Windows too. But I can say "yes natural selection" (dirested by one firm - you know what I mean :o) ) made its work: nobody use Oberon or Inferno. Almost everyone use Windows and has habit to its mouse actions agreement... Of course we can create systems which are enough flexible to setup by a user for his/her habits... But where are such systems? Linux? > Not to say, how could I live without C? As I can see Inferno users can! :o) And I agree with them. More! If I work in Unix-like sustems, I prefer Inferno just because it has many features looking like Oneron's ones. :o) > However, some (maybe) provocative questions remain, namely : > is OO paradigm overcome/superseeded/abandoned, or has more cons than pros? Odf course I see this question is addressed to Rob but may I answer it too? OO paradigm is not the question of programming (coding if you want). This is the thing of thinking and design. Unix became so popular due to its authors (designers) made OO decision: they started to think about everything like about files. Thinking such way they have restricted a domain of solutions, but at the same time they have desciplinized the thinking of great deal of programmers... If you think you can now not to take into account OO-design principles just because last OSs were programmed and look like "nonOO", you are wrong. OO can help you to create more structured and accurate programs. You can start thinking more productively when you "prepare" you domains. You can start undersatnd you program texts after several months after a work is done. :o) From mvertes@free.fr Tue Jun 8 18:09:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 17:43:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ecd22c18_b927_11d8_9c7e_00304828b574_17196; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:43:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E6A34480D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:43:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eca037b2_b927_11d8_9172_00304828b574_17193; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:43:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5DD067580FD; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:43:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B28758103 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:43:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea59377e_b927_11d8_9484_00304828b574_17166; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:43:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F6D34480D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 17:39:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62ee3d2a_b927_11d8_8e76_00304828b574_12750; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 17:39:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 40CEF19F45 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:39:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7687119C1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22271-02-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from master.lab.meiosys.com (70-33-118-80.kaptech.net [80.118.33.70]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D04D519C1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 04:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from palo.lab.meiosys.com (palo.lab.meiosys.com [192.168.1.25]) by master.lab.meiosys.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i588dK1L027006 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:39:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:39:20 +0200 From: Marc Vertes To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] qemu cpu emulator Message-Id: <20040608103920.394dbe5e.mvertes@free.fr> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 27 May 2004 17:12:05 GMT Martin.Kielhorn@uni-jena.de (Martin Kielhorn) wrote: > > Some time ago I tried booting the Plan 9 installation CD in > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ > > Its much smaller than vmware. > It should have vga and network support. > > I did not get very far. > Maybe someone with a working plan9 network has more luck. > Hi, There was a lot of progress in qemu recently. Cvs checkout from june 6 is now able to run the plan9 install floppy image, and start the graphic interface (after some tweaking of plan9.ini and vgadb). The install program was stopped at partdisk stage, saying that no hard disk was detected. I think that qemu is now very close to run a full plan9 system. May be a plan9 expert could help to fix the hard disk detection pb. qemu emulates a pci ide controller. Cheers. Marc From cej@gli.cas.cz Tue Jun 8 18:09:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 18:04:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c82352ea_b92a_11d8_9a26_00304828b574_2289; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:04:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22F31344B9F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:04:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7ed262a_b92a_11d8_9fa6_00304828b574_2286; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:04:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0FBAD7580F9; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:04:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE697580FA for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:03:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7b42384_b92a_11d8_8ab6_00304828b574_2282; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:03:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB849344B9F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:03:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c70663f2_b92a_11d8_95d2_00304828b574_2277; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:03:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CF32919F38 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:03:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FAB619C6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00752-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from XMAIL.asuch.cas.cz (clusterb.asuch.cas.cz [147.231.136.17]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 362C019C41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:03:37 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:03:36 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mouse behavior Thread-Index: AcRNN3tWGk0H/Qv7SLWs9oD4eIzJjQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] mouse behavior X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > echo mousereset >/dev/mousectl > granted, this is somewhat hard to do if you=20 > don't have a mouse. but often not impossible. unfortunately, cursor is over acme window. (the box computes some task for 5 weeks now, so I don't want to restart it). Thanks, nevertheless! "I won't play with things I'm not familiar with next time.=20 I won't play.....[100x] ;-)" cheers, ++pac From wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu Wed Jun 9 09:36:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 8 20:19:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7219e1c_b93d_11d8_8e7c_00304828b574_31711; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072383442CB for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6e87600_b93d_11d8_86c4_00304828b574_31706; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F025275810E; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:19:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6457758106 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:19:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a733ec9e_b93d_11d8_9e07_00304828b574_31030; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:19:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C79A344F30 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:01:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2cc559ae_b93b_11d8_91ff_00304828b574_10846; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:01:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9225519F47 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:01:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45C8519F36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14307-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu [194.44.157.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3737719F2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 07:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mipk.kharkiv.edu (sunrise.mipk.kharkiv.edu [192.168.9.136]) by flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i58AwUaT004430 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:58:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Message-ID: <40C59C48.5050401@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:00:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Los Organization: IIAT NTU "KhPI" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: ru, uk, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7359f049040607085354f3851c@mail.gmail.com> <40C56B70.90404@mipk.kharkiv.edu> In-Reply-To: <40C56B70.90404@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] wasp's answer... :o) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the answer from one of the participant of Oberon discussion list http://www.delphikingdom.com/asp/talktopic.asp?ID=3D285&ref=3Dmsg&msg=3D1= 402#msg1402=20 . The text is in cyrillic. [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ =EE=C1 ?=D3=CF=CF=C2=DD=C5=CE=C9=C5 1401? (=F7=CC=C1=C4=C9=CD=C9=D2): =F0=D2=CF=DE=C9=D4=C1=CC =D3=D4=C1=D4=D8=C0 =CE=C1 http://www.citforum.ru= /operating_systems/inferno/.=20 =F0=C5=D2=D7=C1=D1 =DE=C1=D3=D4=D8 - =D0=CF=CC=CE=CF=D3=D4=D8=C0 =CF=D0=C9= =D3=C1=CE=C9=C5 =CF=C2=C5=D2=CF=CE-=D3=C9=D3=D4=C5=CD=D9. =F7=D4=CF=D2=C1= =D1 =DE=C1=D3=D4=D8 -=20 =CF=D0=C9=D3=C1=CE=C9=C5 =CB=C1=D3=D4=D2=C1=C3=C9=C9 =CF=C2=C5=D2=CF=CE-=D3= =C9=D3=D4=C5=CD=D9 =D0=CF=C4 =D3=CF=D5=D3=CF=CD =F7=C5=CC=C9=CB=C9=C8 =F5= =D3=CF=D7=C5=D2=DB=C5=CE=D3=D4=D7=CF=D7=C1=CE=C9=CA.=20 =FC=D4=CF =DE=D4=CF, =DB=D5=D4=CB=C1? ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] My translation of it: [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ On message 1401 (Vladimir) I have read an article at http://www.citforum.ru/operating_systems/infern= o/. First part is an Oberon system abstract desription. Second part is a=20 description of a castration (castrating) of Oberon system with a=20 dressing (sauce) "Great Improvements". Was it a joke? [[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ From rog@vitanuova.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 00:21:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77202b22_b95f_11d8_87d1_00304828b574_21591; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8123334426C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76e6175c_b95f_11d8_9d55_00304828b574_21554; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:21:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C9BAF7580FF; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:21:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7754C758104 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:21:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 747da62e_b95f_11d8_90ed_00304828b574_21270; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:21:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A1DD34428F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:11:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2c83081a_b95e_11d8_9572_00304828b574_10635; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:11:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A75219FCF for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:11:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 246E719D4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20262-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:11:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 049E619A26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 16:17:33 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <40BFCAE3.4060603@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu brucee: > And rog's code has a race that has been known for at > least 25 years. unfortunately this was unavoidable in the situation it was being used. rc has exactly the same race. > As for internationalization a simple library function > that smashes the %r message at the ":"s (observing > quoting) this is ok... it just seems a pity that one has to put that unquoting state machine where if one only put the filename at the end, a simple strchr() would suffice. From rog@vitanuova.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 03:10:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1cd54c66_b977_11d8_8686_00304828b574_11762; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:10:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D660A344183 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:10:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c8dd836_b977_11d8_8b68_00304828b574_11759; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:10:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 12F48758100; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:10:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADDB97580FC for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:10:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1aaaca9c_b977_11d8_9768_00304828b574_11737; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:10:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E8F344276 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:07:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bd9c9e52_b976_11d8_91f0_00304828b574_8493; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:07:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9377019F48 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B8DE19DE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17609-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 90E7519D4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <47891e13fecae0b69fe8c2930eb350d1@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse behavior Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:13:29 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > unfortunately, cursor is over acme window. (the box > computes some task for 5 weeks now, so I don't > want to restart it). Thanks, nevertheless! it's for similar reasons that i start a listener in my termrc when service=term so that i can access the box even when the mouse is unplugged or the window system dies. From sape@huygens.org Wed Jun 9 09:36:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 03:18:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3df89154_b978_11d8_9e3e_00304828b574_18145; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1473C344CEE for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3dc25cec_b978_11d8_9b03_00304828b574_18142; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F09147580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:18:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2D707580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:18:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d82c8ac_b978_11d8_9874_00304828b574_18138; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:18:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FA2344CEE for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:18:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3cd3dba8_b978_11d8_9581_00304828b574_18132; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:18:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B70419B45 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:18:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D04019AAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17609-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E8B2199B9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6ed96ee89d8578b6041e8b8f5ac156e2@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:18:03 -0400 From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: <40C56B70.90404@mipk.kharkiv.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Have you any plans to add real-time features to Plan9 or Inferno? > Where can I read about requirements to resources for minimum > installation of Inferno? man proc From macrod@xaplos.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 03:56:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 884d2206_b97d_11d8_8d62_00304828b574_16116; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E45345374 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 881b5faa_b97d_11d8_9cb2_00304828b574_16113; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D1FF7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:56:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64AE7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:56:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87da8c5a_b97d_11d8_850c_00304828b574_16110; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:56:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E952D345374 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:56:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 872ee7ce_b97d_11d8_9435_00304828b574_16107; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:56:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4E0419F64 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:56:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27AE719BBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20925-01-94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83DB019B96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xaplos ([68.209.108.223]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040608185551.HGNZ24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:55:51 -0400 From: "Mark F Rodriguez" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:55:29 -0400 Organization: Xaplos, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6ed96ee89d8578b6041e8b8f5ac156e2@plan9.bell-labs.com> Thread-Index: AcRNhRkUmCks/4M7QiaN5/AV0kWa2gABIY5Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040608185551.HGNZ24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: macrod@xaplos.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > Have you any plans to add real-time features to Plan9 or Inferno? > > Where can I read about requirements to resources for minimum > > installation of Inferno? > > man proc Probably more suited for the Inferno list, but man proc results in "No matches" when issued from the Windows-hosted emu. I read the man page online and it would be very nice to have a similar utility in Inferno. Am I missing something? Thanks, -Mark From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Wed Jun 9 09:36:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 03:59:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f0ac4c82_b97d_11d8_89f3_00304828b574_18481; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543F134538C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f06a8446_b97d_11d8_8919_00304828b574_18478; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2DA577580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC397580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f02cd3f8_b97d_11d8_9e39_00304828b574_18475; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0D934538C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef76c07c_b97d_11d8_8cd5_00304828b574_18472; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2104519DD2 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:59:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFF3919BE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24570-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 929CB19BBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3420024FE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 32CCA28; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:58:56 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Message-ID: <20040608185856.GA87338@mero.morphisms.net> References: <6ed96ee89d8578b6041e8b8f5ac156e2@plan9.bell-labs.com> <20040608185551.HGNZ24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040608185551.HGNZ24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 02:55:29PM -0400, Mark F Rodriguez wrote: > Probably more suited for the Inferno list, but man proc results in "No > matches" when issued from the Windows-hosted emu. I read the man page online > and it would be very nice to have a similar utility in Inferno. Am I missing > something? Try it under Plan 9 or read the Plan 9 manual pages on the web. From rog@vitanuova.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 03:59:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0247c7dc_b97e_11d8_9755_00304828b574_18514; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E130B345395 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0211d99c_b97e_11d8_8d4d_00304828b574_18511; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CDF847580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866B27580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01d9212e_b97e_11d8_8a1e_00304828b574_18508; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A0FB345395 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 03:59:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 012dd616_b97e_11d8_9519_00304828b574_18505; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 03:59:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D440C19F5C for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:59:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4044219BE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24570-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49A6F19BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 14:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12e84147b06e768c84bc4058436b7a6b@vitanuova.com> To: macrod@xaplos.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 20:05:29 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <20040608185551.HGNZ24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Probably more suited for the Inferno list, but man proc results in "No > matches" when issued from the Windows-hosted emu. I read the man page online > and it would be very nice to have a similar utility in Inferno. Am I missing > something? inferno does not currently have any realtime support. (it's not clear to what extent this could be done on a non-native platform anyway). also, its process device is called "prog", not "proc", so "man prog" or "wm/man prog" gives a more useful result. From macrod@xaplos.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 04:40:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7dc868c_b983_11d8_87c1_00304828b574_25216; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:40:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF8F344D2D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:40:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7a60e40_b983_11d8_9353_00304828b574_25210; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:40:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E3FF57580FB; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:40:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885B87580FA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:40:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b75bc150_b983_11d8_8f16_00304828b574_25207; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:40:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983A4344D2D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:40:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6ae3968_b983_11d8_88a0_00304828b574_25204; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 04:40:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4ED7419F4D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:40:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5905C19D33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29240-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B2A2119C42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xaplos ([68.209.108.223]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040608194001.ESJB13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:40:01 -0400 From: "Mark F Rodriguez" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:39:54 -0400 Organization: Xaplos, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <12e84147b06e768c84bc4058436b7a6b@vitanuova.com> Thread-Index: AcRNituzInQncp5aQyqeMsFfkd/DoQAAK2FQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040608194001.ESJB13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: macrod@xaplos.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > inferno does not currently have any realtime support. (it's not > clear to what extent this could be done on a non-native > platform anyway). I'm not sure about other platforms, but don't Linux(2.6), FreeBSD Plan9 (from reading man proc), and Windows support [soft] realtime within the OS out-of-the-box? I know you can get a POSIX 1003.1b implementation to bring your OS (at least those with source available) up to realtime specs. Perhaps one could [re]build the platform emu with a flag setting specifying whether or not they have realtime support (Windows, Plan9 or POSIX)??? I can easily see how this could present a challenge on non-native platforms even if the hosting platform had real-time support, but I can also see great benefits to having realtime capabilities within native Inferno. Are there no plans to support proc (perhaps with different results depending on host w/o realtime support vs. native Inferno or host with realtime support)? > > also, its process device is called "prog", not "proc", so "man prog" > or "wm/man prog" gives a more useful result. Thanks for the clarification, I had recently read man prog but was hoping the realtime features of proc (i.e., period, deadline, cost, yieldonblock, etc.) where somewhere hidden within Inferno. 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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:42:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Without wishing to be offensive, does anyone know why > Plan 9 appears to be so slow? slower than what? define your parameters. 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X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > (the box computes some task for 5 weeks now, so I don't > want to restart it) I had that problem too. Dictionary AVL tree builder, running on 2Gb of ascii text for 9 days, no sign of finishing. Copied src (unchanged save for includes) to FreeBSD running on the same box, compiled it and kicked it off. Twelve minutes later I had my result. Double checked it with a smaller dataset. No echo 'pri xx' > /proc/yy/ctl or anything of that kind. Without wishing to be offensive, does anyone know why Plan 9 appears to be so slow? I love the OS, but it doesn't do my work on time. =) --upas-shiroctbhyigvknrzmamxonmdq-- From axwrt001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 09:36:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 07:17:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b27a3c1e_b999_11d8_997a_00304828b574_1848; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:17:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65303443AD for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:17:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b23a994c_b999_11d8_994d_00304828b574_1839; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:17:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5CCD4758100; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:17:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EB47580FF for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:17:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b111f588_b999_11d8_82b3_00304828b574_1824; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:17:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243B334465B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:17:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a0634ea8_b999_11d8_8b30_00304828b574_1635; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:17:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54DC819F84 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:17:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8CFF419CA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03081-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.186]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 161DD19C7D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@69.110.248.132 with plain) by smtp807.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 22:12:51 -0000 Message-ID: <40C639DD.9000701@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:12:45 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] It's not like lightning is it ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: : neuromancer 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NO_RDNS_DOTCOM_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu boyd wrote: > slower than what? define your parameters. as I say; same dataset, same source code, same physical machine different OS. Single CPU (1.3GHz P3) 512Mb RAM differences; gcc versus 8c - tho I don't see how that can make much difference... :-\ or am I missing something out? 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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:17:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > or am I missing something out? you are. how long does it take to boot to lunix? how long does it take to compile the lunix kernel? tried: size 8c gcc ? 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References: <40C63180.9070207@yahoo.com> <4c4bd90badcd79db309a547cec2fe220@terzarima.net> In-Reply-To: <4c4bd90badcd79db309a547cec2fe220@terzarima.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NO_RDNS_DOTCOM_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Charles Forsyth wrote: > try using prof or tprof to see where it is spending its time. > you don't need to wait 9 days for usable results. Thanks Charles, I will try this when I next get the chance. Perhaps I mucked something up during the install; I noticed that when reaming kfs with blocks smaller than 8k the performance of the filesystem was markedly degraded and the error "dnodebuf: trip indirect" would pop up occasionally. Even so, I'm almost certain that it was operating on an fs reamed with the default block size. kfs doesn't seem to be particularly quick especially when another process is wandering around the file tree. I just went with the defaults so I may be missing some important tuning tricks. Regards From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 9 09:36:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 07:55:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1e814bc_b99e_11d8_81d8_00304828b574_31914; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:55:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20D134556F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:55:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1b121d2_b99e_11d8_8b97_00304828b574_31911; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:55:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DDF6A7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:55:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9177F7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:55:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e174cfd4_b99e_11d8_83a1_00304828b574_31874; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:55:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9E034556F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 07:55:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0c37d4c_b99e_11d8_92eb_00304828b574_31803; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 07:55:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CBBA19F69 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:55:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D5C919D21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03082-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DFC919D12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] It's not like lightning is it ... From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:54:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: <40C64128.4000908@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu kfs is not the preferred file server. If you must use it, you ought to give it a few 100MB of buffers with -B. For fastest results, you probably want to use Ken's standalone file server (in /sys/src/fs). venti+fossil is reported to be a little slower, but should be faster than kfs. 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References: <40C639DD.9000701@yahoo.com> <015d01c44da6$54eee9f0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> In-Reply-To: <015d01c44da6$54eee9f0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NO_RDNS_DOTCOM_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu boyd, rounin wrote: > how long does it take to boot to lunix? sure, FreeBSD takes longer than 9 > how long does it take to compile the lunix kernel? never timed them > tried: > > size 8c gcc meaning optimisation? sure gcc is a whopper, 8c diminutive. default gcc switches were used to compile, but not explicitly with -funroll-loops -fexpensive-optimizations -m686 -O3 ... et cetera. gcc produces fat binaries and uses many tricks but an AVL tree ain't a complex peice of code, aside from branch optimisations and registerising pointer dereferences I see little for the compiler to chew on. is kfs the bottleneck? I don't know for sure, maybe there are things I can do to tune kfs up. Perhaps naively I'm assuming that once booted, most other things are equal. kfs doesn't seem to use all of the unassigned RAM as a disc cache, but in this case it wouldn't matter anyway. I realise 9 is distributed but this is my living room setup not a lab. if all this sounds incredibly naive, feel free to enlighten me. 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From: Brantley Coile Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:32:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <40C6469E.2010703@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Does the program in question buffer its output? Plan 9 doesn't like lots of small writes. Brantley From axwrt001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 10:10:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c482e3bc_b9b1_11d8_948d_00304828b574_26268; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68A1345687 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c40a4768_b9b1_11d8_83a9_00304828b574_26265; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 88CE67580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:10:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1AC7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3c8552e_b9b1_11d8_9639_00304828b574_26259; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5019F345687 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:10:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c31cbcfa_b9b1_11d8_8c9f_00304828b574_26249; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:10:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 285D519F5D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:10:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C2B4D19D12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25430-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F27FA19DF2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@69.110.248.132 with plain) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 01:09:49 -0000 Message-ID: <40C66353.1040805@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:09:39 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] It's not like lightning is it ... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NO_RDNS_DOTCOM_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: axwrt001@yahoo.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Brantley Cole wrote: > Does the program in question buffer its output? > Plan 9 doesn't like lots of small writes. The tree is built during the input read phase and written when the input is exhausted through a stdio interface. 9 days and counting for the read phase, it didn't even get round to writing. The bottleneck seems to be kfs' reading the fresh data. Fat kfs buffers don't solve the initial read problem, the system generally is a bit slicker once the data is cached. From robpike@gmail.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 10:13:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47236e2c_b9b2_11d8_85e1_00304828b574_28709; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:13:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F0F3456B8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:13:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46811dde_b9b2_11d8_8ad0_00304828b574_28706; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:13:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 446007580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:13:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34E87580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:13:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46205da0_b9b2_11d8_917a_00304828b574_28703; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:13:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38073456B8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:13:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45730862_b9b2_11d8_8588_00304828b574_28699; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:13:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82BD519E40 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:13:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 65EB419CEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23440-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 49A9E19CC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so629852rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.64 with SMTP id p64mr67542cwc; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904060818134b9c415@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:13:34 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: axwrt001@yahoo.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] It's not like lightning is it ... In-Reply-To: <40C66353.1040805@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40C66353.1040805@yahoo.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i wonder if you have DMA turned off on your disk. also, i've known CPUs to disable their caches sometimes. is the machine healthy when running other programs? -rob From axwrt001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 10:46:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3d4fba2_b9b6_11d8_8c53_00304828b574_23252; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:46:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A54345E50 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:46:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3720ce0_b9b6_11d8_8924_00304828b574_23248; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:46:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D4F4D7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:46:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4F17580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:46:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3092a54_b9b6_11d8_9d0f_00304828b574_23243; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:46:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FF56345E50 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:46:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d247fd3e_b9b6_11d8_9551_00304828b574_23240; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:46:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 793C919E3F for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:46:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE84019DA1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27408-01-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 417C619BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@69.110.248.132 with plain) by smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 01:46:09 -0000 Message-ID: <40C66BDC.6070301@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 18:46:04 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] NOW it's like lightning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NO_RDNS_DOTCOM_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Rob Pike perceptively observed : > i wonder if you have DMA turned off on your disk. > also, i've known CPUs to disable their caches > sometimes. is the machine healthy when running > other programs? it seemed like a worthwhile wheeze ... echo 'dma on' > /dev/sdC0/ctl echo 'dma on' > /dev/sdD0/ctl and Bling! Comparable speed! My hat is raised to you sir. In fact that brings to mind a thought ... does this DMA business also apply to the ether drivers - as this would explain the ~250Kb/sec transfer Plan 9 <-> BSD versus the 2.5Mb/sec transfer WindazXP <-> BSD ... and begs the question, pray why might these be off by default ... ? and since this is a job-lot; can ftpfs operate in a mode where it doesn't first make a local copy of a file to ship across the link but instead reads the file itself ? many thanks From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 9 21:20:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 11:03:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33a6a808_b9b9_11d8_8202_00304828b574_7822; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:03:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCE1344B19 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:03:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3345f116_b9b9_11d8_935a_00304828b574_7819; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:03:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9218A7580FF; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:03:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5A3758107 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:03:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 30807c58_b9b9_11d8_8176_00304828b574_7786; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:03:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A01345097 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 10:56:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3f6dd874_b9b8_11d8_97eb_00304828b574_32635; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:56:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2720C19F92 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:56:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBEC719E17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27494-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2693D19BDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 21:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7b628fbb325ea03705615fca437c1735@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] NOW it's like lightning From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:56:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: <40C66BDC.6070301@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Some IDE disks or controllers have buggy DMA implementations, so DMA is off by default to err on the side of caution. The performance of your Ethernet interface probably depends mostly on the quality of the card. Worst case is probably the old NE2000, which I think was all programmed I/O, no real DMA (the PC world has funny definitions of `DMA'). The worst modern-day case is likely the RTL8139, which is pretty dumb. Best cases are probably the Intel and National Semiconductor controllers, which maintain ring buffers of incoming and outgoing packets and use DMA to transfer them. Microsoft may have information not available to the general public, or they may just throw more CPU time at making dumb interfaces run fast. Of course, you're probably not exercising the raw Ethernet interface, so there are also TCP and IP speeds to consider. How are you copying the data in question, using which version of IP (4 or 6), using what Ethernet interface on Plan 9, at what link speed? From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 9 21:20:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 11:18:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 54debec8_b9bb_11d8_982c_00304828b574_23654; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:18:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69526344B9D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:18:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5473168c_b9bb_11d8_86e5_00304828b574_23651; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:18:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 562ED7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:18:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA307580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:18:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5439b27a_b9bb_11d8_9a5e_00304828b574_23647; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:18:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C3F344B9D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:18:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 538e2af4_b9bb_11d8_9d9a_00304828b574_23644; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 11:18:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 590BA19F6B for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:18:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70EDD19C69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01329-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C66EC19B57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 22:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26476e3641ccfa94895851102b63cae8@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] NOW it's like lightning From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 19:18:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: <7b628fbb325ea03705615fca437c1735@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I just did a quick timing test and it would appear that the slowness is a local problem, not a generic Plan 9 Ethernet problem. Reading ~4MB (/386/lib/*) from a Ken fs with client-side caching disabled took 17.89 seconds the first time (Ken fs doesn't use DMA for IDE ever [for historical reasons], though I might fix that), which is still roughly 260KB/s, an order of magnitude faster than the ~250Kb/sec cited. Reading it a second time, with the data in RAM cache on the file server, took 1.07 seconds, or 4.2MB/s, far faster than the 2.5Mb/sec cited between Windows and BSD. And that's over slow 100Mb/s Ethernet because I haven't got around to upgrading the file server to Intel's gigabit card yet. From axwrt001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 12:58:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 348a3f5e_b9c9_11d8_997c_00304828b574_12925; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:58:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534C6345871 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:58:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 343c8516_b9c9_11d8_88f8_00304828b574_12888; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:58:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 39C737580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:58:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82F97580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:58:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33f4488c_b9c9_11d8_86c8_00304828b574_12875; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:58:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B640345871 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:58:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 330590f2_b9c9_11d8_9d62_00304828b574_12757; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:58:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 615F919FB7 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:57:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07F3319F71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11181-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id E347819F94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO yahoo.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@69.110.248.132 with plain) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 03:57:32 -0000 Message-ID: <40C68AA6.6050103@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 20:57:26 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: [9fans] NOW it's like lightning ... almost Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: : neuromancer 1074; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NO_RDNS_DOTCOM_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I just did a quick timing test and it would appear that the slowness > is a local problem, not a generic Plan 9 Ethernet problem. Reading > ~4MB (/386/lib/*) from a Ken fs with client-side caching disabled took > 17.89 seconds the first time (Ken fs doesn't use DMA for IDE ever [for > historical reasons], though I might fix that), which is still roughly > 260KB/s, an order of magnitude faster than the ~250Kb/sec cited. Sorry ISC; KB/s is what I /should/ have written. Some measuring will tell me if the ATA-5 disc is being DMA'd. WRT to your previous post, logical that 9 will enable what works and leave us to take it on from there where hardware permits. The ether interface is an Intel PRO/100 using IP4. > Reading it a second time, with the data in RAM cache on the file > server, took 1.07 seconds, or 4.2MB/s, far faster than the 2.5Mb/sec > cited between Windows and BSD. And that's over slow 100Mb/s Ethernet > because I haven't got around to upgrading the file server to Intel's > gigabit card yet. Mmmm, gigabit. Nope, I just don't have the bandwidth need for that or the necessary router - meaning I get clonked on the head with the skillet if I make eyes at either. Again, s/Mb/MB/ and 2.5 is a rough figure depending on what else may pass through my WAP/router at the time. It does indeed peak at just above 4MB/s and the problem vis a vis 9's /net/ether0 is likely local. I'll have to set up my combined cpu-auth-fs machine and do some jiggery pokery with it. BTW: is this a moderated group? seems to be a persistent sprinkling of snake-oil weight-loss postings ... From dantes@vif.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 13:00:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f7be8fe_b9c9_11d8_86ec_00304828b574_15162; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:00:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1834534587B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:00:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f477cfe_b9c9_11d8_85d8_00304828b574_15159; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:00:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EBA4B7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:00:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3407580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:00:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f0cbea2_b9c9_11d8_9758_00304828b574_15156; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:00:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931D634587B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:00:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e464420_b9c9_11d8_978e_00304828b574_15153; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:00:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52B2B1A02D for ; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:59:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9606919AFB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:58:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11181-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from budah.vif.com (mail.vif.com [216.239.64.153]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3058219ADE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vif.com (ip216-239-84-80.vif.net [216.239.84.80]) by budah.vif.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i593wc4m044046 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 8 Jun 2004 23:58:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dantes@vif.com) Message-ID: <40C68AB6.2040809@vif.com> Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:57:42 -0400 From: dantes@vif.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040116 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vif-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-vif-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: dantes@vif.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Network design question X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello everyone, I'm currently writing a batch of presentations about distributed systems, and I was of course having a look at Plan 9, especially on its network and communication implementation. I've been through the papers, and here is what I understood. Just to be sure I don't include erroneous data, could you please confirm (or oppose, but then please explain :) those assertions: - from the OSI point of view, the layers 4, 5 and 6 have a custom protocol implementation: 9P. - 9P offers an interface at layer 5 (messages, local) - 9P offers an interface at layer 6 (RPC, local) - a service does translation from 9P to TCP for external communication (at level 4?). Where does IL fit in all this? Hmm, still a bit confused. Sorry if the question seem a bit lousy, and thanks a lot for any help! Best regards Jef From vdharani@infernopark.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 13:20:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61cbb1b6_b9cc_11d8_80e2_00304828b574_32544; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:20:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F36344233 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:20:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60e0efe6_b9cc_11d8_89e6_00304828b574_32530; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:20:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1AD82758102; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:20:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C444D758104 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:20:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e89fe5e_b9cc_11d8_9a9e_00304828b574_32483; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:20:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0A13445CA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:20:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5a0fa040_b9cc_11d8_8039_00304828b574_32407; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:20:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB6D319CE2 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:20:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9750F19B3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:20:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07957-02-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B605C19B3F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i599TL04008184; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:29:21 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:29:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35178.67.85.61.176.1086773361.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <40C68AB6.2040809@vif.com> References: <40C68AB6.2040809@vif.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 04:29:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] Network design question From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > - from the OSI point of view, the layers 4, 5 and 6 have a custom > protocol implementation: 9P. 9p is similar to nfs protocol. the main difference is nfs is designed to serve regular data files and so it treats data in terms of blocks. 9p additionally takes care of device files and the data is treated as messages of variable size (max is 8192). and 9p messages are not cached. > - 9P offers an interface at layer 5 (messages, local) > > - 9P offers an interface at layer 6 (RPC, local) i am not sure if 9p can be treated like this. i guess it is pretty much the 4 layer tcp/ip with 9p sitting on top of tcp/ip. 9p is like nfs protocol and uses rpc mechanism. > - a service does translation from 9P to TCP for external communication > (at level 4?). > > Where does IL fit in all this? il is pretty much similar to tcp except that while tcp works in byte-stream mode, il wrok in message-mode. thanks dharani From dantes@vif.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 13:45:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5a9af40_b9cf_11d8_9d1d_00304828b574_22572; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:45:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4619A34423B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:45:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d35c27f4_b9cf_11d8_9780_00304828b574_22564; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:45:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DD5F0758105; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:45:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC77758100 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:45:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d24c4a60_b9cf_11d8_984c_00304828b574_22547; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:45:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73F8344484 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:41:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b83a812_b9cf_11d8_8aef_00304828b574_18097; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:41:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4199119FCD for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:41:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7843D19CA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16377-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from budah.vif.com (mail.vif.com [216.239.64.153]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1603C19B77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vif.com (ip216-239-84-80.vif.net [216.239.84.80]) by budah.vif.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i594ej4m042986 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:40:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from dantes@vif.com) Message-ID: <40C69495.2020101@vif.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:39:49 -0400 From: dantes@vif.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; SunOS sun4u; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040116 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Network design question References: <40C68AB6.2040809@vif.com> <35178.67.85.61.176.1086773361.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <35178.67.85.61.176.1086773361.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-vif-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-vif-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: dantes@vif.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: >>- from the OSI point of view, the layers 4, 5 and 6 have a custom >>protocol implementation: 9P. > > 9p is similar to nfs protocol. the main difference is nfs is designed to > serve regular data files and so it treats data in terms of blocks. 9p > additionally takes care of device files and the data is treated as > messages of variable size (max is 8192). and 9p messages are not cached. Isn't it a bit more than NFS? From "The Organisation of Networks in Plan 9", it seems it can also *do* messages and RPC, while AFAIK NFS is *using* messages and SUN RPC... Maybe I'm just plain wrong. >>- 9P offers an interface at layer 5 (messages, local) >> >>- 9P offers an interface at layer 6 (RPC, local) > > i am not sure if 9p can be treated like this. i guess it is pretty much > the 4 layer tcp/ip with 9p sitting on top of tcp/ip. 9p is like nfs > protocol and uses rpc mechanism. Considering from your next answer that IL is a transfer protocol, can 9P be fully used on top of IL? (ie does it rely exclusively on TCP and its stream orientation?) >>- a service does translation from 9P to TCP for external communication >>(at level 4?). >> >>Where does IL fit in all this? > > il is pretty much similar to tcp except that while tcp works in > byte-stream mode, il wrok in message-mode. OK, thanks for this input. > thanks > dharani Thanks a lot Jef From users-billing23@citibank.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 13:51:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ba14910_b9d0_11d8_84c1_00304828b574_28133; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:51:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7483442A7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:51:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b40581c_b9d0_11d8_8560_00304828b574_28128; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:51:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 91F17758103; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:50:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7023A758102 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:50:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 98286174_b9d0_11d8_85cb_00304828b574_28078; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:50:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C09344619 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 13:44:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a11fa626_b9cf_11d8_9bbb_00304828b574_20614; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:44:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 26ACA19DB5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:44:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02E1519CE2 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16377-01-39 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:43:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 61-59-191-194.adsl.static.seed.net.tw (61-59-191-194.adsl.static.seed.net.tw [61.59.191.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3D95A19CC0 for <9fans@cs.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 00:43:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 FCC: mailbox://users-billing23@citibank.com/Sent X-Identity-Key: id1 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:41:01 -0100 From: Citibank X-Mozilla-Draft-Info: internal/draft; vcard=0; receipt=0; uuencode=0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cs.psu.edu Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------020307090903060803030001" Message-Id: <20040609044337.3D95A19CC0@mail.cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: Subject: [9fans] Warning! 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Mark, you write "[soft] realtime". What do you mean in "soft"? From vdharani@infernopark.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 14:24:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ac88e2c_b9d5_11d8_98eb_00304828b574_25992; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:24:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0C534590F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:24:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a91a9de_b9d5_11d8_9aab_00304828b574_25989; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:24:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AD3877580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:24:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519567580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:24:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a4f046c_b9d5_11d8_8014_00304828b574_25986; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:24:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2809434590F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:24:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 497d59f8_b9d5_11d8_9e4d_00304828b574_25983; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:24:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60A2219FBA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:24:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B143319FA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23032-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0599919DC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59AXU04008648 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:30 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35347.67.85.61.176.1086777210.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <40C69495.2020101@vif.com> References: <40C68AB6.2040809@vif.com><35178.67.85.61.176.1086773361.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> <40C69495.2020101@vif.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] Network design question From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: >>>- from the OSI point of view, the layers 4, 5 and 6 have a custom >>>protocol implementation: 9P. >> >> 9p is similar to nfs protocol. the main difference is nfs is designed = to >> serve regular data files and so it treats data in terms of blocks. 9p >> additionally takes care of device files and the data is treated as >> messages of variable size (max is 8192). and 9p messages are not cache= d. > > Isn't it a bit more than NFS? From "The Organisation of Networks in Pla= n > 9", it seems it can also *do* messages and RPC, while AFAIK NFS is > *using* messages and SUN RPC... Maybe I'm just plain wrong. it is more than nfs as far as what it can do is concerned in the sense that it can serve regular data files as well as it can talk to remote device files and other file servers (that serve synthetic files (e.g. FTL). and yes, in that sense, 9p is like nfs + rpc. >>>- 9P offers an interface at layer 5 (messages, local) >>> >>>- 9P offers an interface at layer 6 (RPC, local) >> >> i am not sure if 9p can be treated like this. i guess it is pretty muc= h >> the 4 layer tcp/ip with 9p sitting on top of tcp/ip. 9p is like nfs >> protocol and uses rpc mechanism. > Considering from your next answer that IL is a transfer protocol, can 9= P > be fully used on top of IL? (ie does it rely exclusively on TCP and its > stream orientation?) of course 9p runs on il. in fact thats how it was running. i think due to the popularity of tcp and interoperability issues, tcp was eventually supported. not sure if it was after inferno was developed or before that. thanks dharani From vdharani@infernopark.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 14:36:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f18bb378_b9d6_11d8_95ff_00304828b574_3955; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134483459A7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1598fce_b9d6_11d8_9c82_00304828b574_3952; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:36:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E954D7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:36:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE9F7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f118ca16_b9d6_11d8_9ac7_00304828b574_3949; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BB63459A7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:36:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f06d0e1a_b9d6_11d8_879d_00304828b574_3945; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:36:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 60C4619FE1 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:36:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0864619FAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26064-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 943D119FA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 01:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i59AjI04008754 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:45:19 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:45:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <35352.67.85.61.176.1086777919.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <40C69BF5.5010406@mipk.kharkiv.edu> References: <20040608194001.ESJB13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> <40C69BF5.5010406@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:45:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Mark, you write "[soft] realtime". What do you mean in "soft"? means "not hard". basically, one could build soft realtime systems with platforms that support "soft realtime". an example is a DVD player. if it misses a frame or two, it is bad but not too bad. i.e. it is ok if you miss one or two deadlines. in case of hard realtime, the rules are very tough. if the deadlines are not met, the result could be catastrophic. an example is the anti-lock braking system (ABS). it has to turn on in time. thanks dharani From wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu Wed Jun 9 21:20:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 15:29:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f9cfa28_b9de_11d8_869f_00304828b574_20614; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:29:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1074834471A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f53cdd0_b9de_11d8_9b39_00304828b574_20611; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:29:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EFE5D7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1B07580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f112462_b9de_11d8_8d75_00304828b574_20608; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:29:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACE934471A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:29:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e64271c_b9de_11d8_9968_00304828b574_20603; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 15:29:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B79A219FCA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:29:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0460A19D99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29374-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu [194.44.157.113]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EB0019995 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mipk.kharkiv.edu (sunrise.mipk.kharkiv.edu [192.168.9.136]) by flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i596RGNH040279 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:27:18 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from wlad@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Message-ID: <40C6AE40.3040506@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:29:20 +0300 From: Vladimir Los Organization: IIAT NTU "KhPI" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: ru, uk, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) References: <20040608194001.ESJB13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> <40C69BF5.5010406@mipk.kharkiv.edu> <35352.67.85.61.176.1086777919.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <35352.67.85.61.176.1086777919.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu vdharani@infernopark.com wrote: > means "not hard". OK. :o) This looks like: - What is a draught? - This is a small and week wind? - And what is a wind? - This is something that stronger than a draught... :o) > basically, one could build soft realtime systems with platforms that > support "soft realtime". an example is a DVD player. if it misses a frame > or two, it is bad but not too bad. i.e. it is ok if you miss one or two > deadlines. > > in case of hard realtime, the rules are very tough. if the deadlines are > not met, the result could be catastrophic. an example is the anti-lock > braking system (ABS). it has to turn on in time. Thaks, Dharani, but your explanation has convinced me of my oppinion: there is NO soft realtime. There are REALTIME systems and something else. I think "soft realtime" sounds like "slightly pregnant"... :o) Yet one thing. I think that this therm "soft real-time systems" was introduced by the men who didn't work with real real-time requirements. I wonder to see such a developer with his "soft realtime" in military, space or helth protection (life keeping) equipment... 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 07:51:29 -0000 Message-ID: <40C6C872.9070203@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:21:06 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Error reporting (Was: [9fans] GNU Make) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu that doesn't help in the example that you gave (a cascaded error message), not for translation. brucee rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > brucee: > >>As for internationalization a simple library function >>that smashes the %r message at the ":"s (observing >>quoting) > > this is ok... it just seems a pity that one has to put that unquoting > state machine where if one only put the filename at the end, a simple > strchr() would suffice. 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 07:54:13 -0000 Message-ID: <40C6C916.5080004@chunder.com> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:23:50 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) References: <12e84147b06e768c84bc4058436b7a6b@vitanuova.com> In-Reply-To: <12e84147b06e768c84bc4058436b7a6b@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu adding sape's edf code to inferno takes an hour. brucee rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>Probably more suited for the Inferno list, but man proc results in "No >>matches" when issued from the Windows-hosted emu. I read the man page online >>and it would be very nice to have a similar utility in Inferno. Am I missing >>something? > > > inferno does not currently have any realtime support. (it's not > clear to what extent this could be done on a non-native > platform anyway). > > also, its process device is called "prog", not "proc", so "man prog" > or "wm/man prog" gives a more useful result. From mvertes@meiosys.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:33:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ed676d0_b9f8_11d8_9596_00304828b574_21289; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:33:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715B8344B43 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:33:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1ea55384_b9f8_11d8_8672_00304828b574_21284; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:33:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 53B037580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:33:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B1D7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:33:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e63d508_b9f8_11d8_8b9b_00304828b574_21281; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:33:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A877344B43 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:33:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1db793ba_b9f8_11d8_9d24_00304828b574_21277; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:33:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2B11C1A098 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1148019DE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27389-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8208519DDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXzFD-00069x-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:19:39 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:19:29 GMT From: Marc Vertes Message-ID: <20040607234358.7e79b8b6.mvertes@meiosys.com> Organization: Meiosys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1085677913.40b62159aeea9@fsuj28.rz.uni-jena.de> Subject: Re: [9fans] qemu cpu emulator X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 27 May 2004 17:12:05 GMT Martin.Kielhorn@uni-jena.de (Martin Kielhorn) wrote: > > Some time ago I tried booting the Plan 9 installation CD in > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ > > Its much smaller than vmware. > It should have vga and network support. > > I did not get very far. > Maybe someone with a working plan9 network has more luck. > Using current CVS version from june 6, I was able to boot the install floppy image and start the graphic display (after tweaking vgadb and plan9.ini). I went up to the point where partdisk starts. It fails, saying that no disk has been detected (qemu emulates a pci ide). Using the cdrom image still fails at boot. From DAGwyn@null.net Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:34:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27c4fa14_b9f8_11d8_95d1_00304828b574_21697; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30555344B5B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2764b1b8_b9f8_11d8_91ae_00304828b574_21660; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0AF2B7580FB; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849DF7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 270230ba_b9f8_11d8_8adf_00304828b574_21622; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52474344B5B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 262d36b2_b9f8_11d8_9c7e_00304828b574_21548; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C76E81A014 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC53019DEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27386-01-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6C09A19DDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXzFm-0006B5-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:20:14 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:19:40 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <05e301c44944$79faa650$9a7e7d50@SOMA>, <20040607131901.GA84365@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Jon Snader wrote: > What's unfortunate is that our bashing is often misinformed, both > in spirit and in detail. The above comments are a case in point. > Is there anyone here who really maintains that the two character > name space in [nt]roff is not a disadvantage? Why should we > complain that groff has removed this disadvantage? Why should we > not remove it from [nt]roff? The answer given above is that the > extension is incompatible, but that is incorrect. The groff > rules for using registers are the same as for [nt]roff except ... Too bad you didn't bother to understand the comment to which you replied. The incompatibility I mentioned was between groff and SoftQuad's prior extension of the register names. Now there are multiple formats for extended troff source documents, something that could easily have been avoided. > What's unfortunate is that many of us here act as if no one else has > anything to teach us. The GNU developers seem to provide support for that. From mvertes@meiosys.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:34:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f88ef62_b9f8_11d8_91ea_00304828b574_22062; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC60344B38 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f52ebc4_b9f8_11d8_92f6_00304828b574_22059; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 583AB7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F5027580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f186e04_b9f8_11d8_845e_00304828b574_22056; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21434344B38 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e6c3738_b9f8_11d8_9237_00304828b574_22053; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68AEF1A035 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:34:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B10F19DE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27389-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 52C8319DDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXzFn-0006BB-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:20:15 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:19:58 GMT From: Marc Vertes Message-ID: <20040608102038.5c577be0.mvertes@meiosys.com> Organization: Meiosys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <1085677913.40b62159aeea9@fsuj28.rz.uni-jena.de> Subject: Re: [9fans] qemu cpu emulator X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 27 May 2004 17:12:05 GMT Martin.Kielhorn@uni-jena.de (Martin Kielhorn) wrote: > > Some time ago I tried booting the Plan 9 installation CD in > http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ > > Its much smaller than vmware. > It should have vga and network support. > > I did not get very far. > Maybe someone with a working plan9 network has more luck. > Hi, There was a lot of progress on qemu. Using the cvs checkout from june 6, I was able to boot the install floppy image, and start the graphic interface, using the cirrus clgd5446 pci emulation. However I needed to tweak vgadb and plan9.ini. Later, partdisk refused to start, complaining that no disk was detected, although I specified a hard disk image (qemu emulates a pci ide controller). I think qemu is very close to fully run plan9. May be a plan9 expert could help to fix the disk detection problem. Cheers. Marc From axwrt001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:34:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 379f7e6e_b9f8_11d8_9bfc_00304828b574_22083; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04894344B6E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3769fff0_b9f8_11d8_9fb1_00304828b574_22079; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E1D917580FB; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0E67580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37314962_b9f8_11d8_9512_00304828b574_22074; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8568344B6E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:34:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 368047f2_b9f8_11d8_9ca8_00304828b574_22070; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:34:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCFC419DEF for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B84621A001 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27386-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3730819DDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXzOH-0006IQ-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:29:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:27:32 GMT From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire Message-ID: Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] is there a driver for the Toshiba ToPIC100 Cardbus controller? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu WPC11 wi-fi works fine on my clunky old Latitude P75 with a vadem chipset. No luck with the Tosh Satellite using ToPIC100. I've tried 'pull'ing all the latest source down to no avail and it breaks the nvidia display driver - which I had to hack to get the mouse to display correctly and track on the display. Also, using Intel PRO/100 wired link, ftpfs ambles along at ~250Kb/sec versus FreeBSD <--> WindazXP sprints @ 2.4Mb/sec. Anyone have any hints as to why this should be? Thanks From axwrt001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:48:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 24a831b4_b9fa_11d8_8ea1_00304828b574_2288; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 190E9345468 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2464fe6c_b9fa_11d8_863f_00304828b574_2284; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 061B87580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B20D17580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 242bf2f2_b9fa_11d8_8492_00304828b574_2280; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAD6A345468 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2379f700_b9fa_11d8_96b8_00304828b574_2277; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6BBD1A01D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:48:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4C9E219DF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27832-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1616A19DEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXzT8-0006LU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:34:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:30:41 GMT From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire Message-ID: Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: Subject: Re: [9fans] mouse behavior X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu cej@gli.cas.cz wrote: > unfortunately, cursor is over acme window. (the box > computes some task for 5 weeks now I had that problem too. Dictionary AVL tree builder, running on 2Gb of ascii text for 9 days, no sign of finishing. So I copied the source (unchanged save for includes) to FreeBSD running on the same box and compiled it and kicked it off. Twelve minutes later I had my result. Double checked it with a smaller dataset. Anyone know why this would be? From mandjpc@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:48:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2fb85840_b9fa_11d8_93e3_00304828b574_2305; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA46D34546E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f7a582e_b9fa_11d8_9341_00304828b574_2302; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 92CC37580FB; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD4B7580FA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f367c8a_b9fa_11d8_80e1_00304828b574_2298; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B67D34546E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:48:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e8771d6_b9fa_11d8_97b8_00304828b574_2292; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:48:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 839151A017 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:48:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5593D19DF9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27386-01-57 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EEFF719DF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXzXy-0006P8-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:39:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:35:47 GMT From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire Message-ID: Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40C6469E.2010703@yahoo.com>, <6325daed74b25a464a4f8298899f06a9@coraid.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] It's not like lightning is it ... X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Brantley Coile wrote: > Does the program in question buffer its output? > Plan 9 doesn't like lots of small writes. > > Brantley > basically K&R binary tree with Ben Pfaff's libavl ported to 9 and plugged in. The output isn't written until all the input is consumed and the tree is fully grown. Feeding the input was the bottleneck, read from a stdio FILE*. kfs doesn't seem to be able to supply data very quickly initially, though it's probably fine once it's cached. From axwrt001@yahoo.com Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:49:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3ec462e8_b9fa_11d8_8ca9_00304828b574_2714; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:49:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E590A34546E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:49:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e860c5a_b9fa_11d8_8184_00304828b574_2679; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:49:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D52627580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:49:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6BA7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:49:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e43a78e_b9fa_11d8_833a_00304828b574_2666; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:49:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8397234546E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:49:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d8b3320_b9fa_11d8_99a8_00304828b574_2590; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:49:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A87331A003 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:49:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53FC719DF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27389-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D6DAF19DF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BXzXy-0006PE-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:39:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:35:58 GMT From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire Message-ID: Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit References: <7b628fbb325ea03705615fca437c1735@collyer.net>, <26476e3641ccfa94895851102b63cae8@collyer.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] NOW it's like lightning X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: axwrt001@yahoo.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Geoff Collyer wrote: > I just did a quick timing test and it would appear that the slowness > is a local problem, not a generic Plan 9 Ethernet problem. Reading > ~4MB (/386/lib/*) from a Ken fs with client-side caching disabled took > 17.89 seconds the first time (Ken fs doesn't use DMA for IDE ever [for > historical reasons], though I might fix that), which is still roughly > 260KB/s, an order of magnitude faster than the ~250Kb/sec cited. Sorry Geoff, when I write Kb I mean Kbytes which is doubtless wrong, in future I'll be more succinct. [Into 27th hour; more coffee needed.] Since I opened up this discussion it's become clear I need to RTM for the control settings for a number of devices to see what else I can accelerate. Interesting that you say kfs never uses DMA for IDE. My laptop is using an MK4018GAP which is an ATA-5 though Windaz looks at it through a (presumably) generic SCSI layer. So does that mean I /shouldn't/ be seeing a speed improvement? [I haven't got around to doing some measurements yet - still getting the lappie profile in Windaz over to BSD so I can ditch W and re-deploy 9 - it makes a fine terminal @ 1600x1200x16.] > > Reading it a second time, with the data in RAM cache on the file > server, took 1.07 seconds, or 4.2MB/s, far faster than the 2.5Mb/sec > cited between Windows and BSD. And that's over slow 100Mb/s Ethernet > because I haven't got around to upgrading the file server to Intel's > gigabit card yet. Mmmm, a gigbit... I'm pretty pleased that I can flip 60Mb in 15secs downhill with a following breeze over my 100. From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 18:56:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4cac7764_b9fb_11d8_8a1f_00304828b574_9085; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:56:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F96345AA6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:56:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c1aa8c0_b9fb_11d8_9ccc_00304828b574_9082; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:56:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1757F7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:56:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14CD7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:56:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4bd90db6_b9fb_11d8_814d_00304828b574_9079; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:56:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D624B345AA6 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 18:56:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b2eaa7e_b9fb_11d8_9f99_00304828b574_9076; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 18:56:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43CE91A052 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:56:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67DE419E2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27827-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C377319E0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 05:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f6454028d90d5b2c9e36a19bef5f280@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] NOW it's like lightning From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 02:56:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Kb generally means kilobits and KB kilobytes. Actually I said that *Ken's fs* (the standalone file server, which is not the same as kfs) never uses DMA for IDE. kfs uses the underlying system's IDE driver, which uses DMA if told to do so. From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jun 9 21:20:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 19:29:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6351726_b9ff_11d8_87bc_00304828b574_7977; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:29:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8086B3442E4 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:29:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5f6fd42_b9ff_11d8_8768_00304828b574_7969; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:29:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 80F4D75810D; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:29:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D987580FB for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:29:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d237fada_b9ff_11d8_8f2a_00304828b574_7518; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:29:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60051344312 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:22:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ecb9e20c_b9fe_11d8_8a2b_00304828b574_530; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:22:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 98FCC1A020 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:22:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E66719E02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28821-02-5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9AB919B8D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 06:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AE76671CE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <01b101c44e0b$0e08a1b0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <6325daed74b25a464a4f8298899f06a9@coraid.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] It's not like lightning is it ... Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:18:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Plan 9 doesn't like lots of small writes. nothing does. 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From macrod@xaplos.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 22:01:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1700fb34_ba15_11d8_98a9_00304828b574_16374; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:01:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A39344B61 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:01:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 169a9f74_ba15_11d8_8305_00304828b574_16361; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:01:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 211E07580FF; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:01:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D97758102 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:01:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14756df0_ba15_11d8_82ad_00304828b574_16146; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:01:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D712C3447E8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:52:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ce5be07a_ba13_11d8_835d_00304828b574_5439; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:52:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31A181A07C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:51:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FB3D19E15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14270-01-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.71]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83CF919E13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xaplos ([68.209.108.223]) by imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040609125113.UCQG24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:51:13 -0400 From: "Mark F Rodriguez" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 08:50:58 -0400 Organization: Xaplos, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <40C6AE40.3040506@mipk.kharkiv.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRN6y9VfHqMi5zxQTK9GOwOUM0taQAMdr6Q Message-Id: <20040609125113.UCQG24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: macrod@xaplos.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Thaks, Dharani, but your explanation has convinced me of my oppinion: > there is NO soft realtime. There are REALTIME systems and something > else. I think "soft realtime" sounds like "slightly pregnant"... :o) > Yet one thing. I think that this therm "soft real-time systems" was > introduced by the men who didn't work with real real-time requirements. > I wonder to see such a developer with his "soft realtime" in military, > space or helth protection (life keeping) equipment... You are probably correct in your assumption that "soft realtime" was introduced by marketing, but you'd be surprised how many clients mention this. My background is in biomedical engineering so I typically deal with "hard realtime" systems (i.e., miss a deadline and a patient could die). However, I have been involved in projects where deadlines are determined by average execution time. A client may state "As long as the transaction completes within 2 seconds 98% of the time, we're OK." While I could easily see an argument that this is not a "true" realtime system, it does impose performance constraints that if missed could lead to system failure or bad data. It may not be the death of a patient, but the poor programmer trying to order Microsoft stock might miss out on the frenzy by 2 seconds and lose thousands of dollars because his transaction didn't complete within the required average execution time. 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Thread-Index: AcROIXC0NXhx2sR3TCymzhIgCBdYCQ== From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] It's not like lightning is it ... X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > (the box computes some task for 5 weeks now, so I don't > > want to restart it) >=20 > I had that problem too. Dictionary AVL tree builder, running > on 2Gb of ascii text for 9 days, no sign of finishing. > Copied src (unchanged save for includes) to FreeBSD > running on the same box, compiled it and kicked it off. > Twelve minutes later I had my result. Double checked it with > a smaller dataset. No echo 'pri xx' > /proc/yy/ctl or anything > of that kind. > Without wishing to be offensive, does anyone know why > Plan 9 appears to be so slow? > I love the OS, but it doesn't do my work on time. =3D) ???=20 My task is "Branch and Bound" search, NP-complete, several weeks are = *NORMAL* for such a task, that wasn=A7t the point. BTW, my Plan9 [native|APE] = both run much, *much faster* than on linux/gcc3.0 on the same box... regards, ++pac. From forsyth@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 22:10:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 599cdc82_ba16_11d8_8e80_00304828b574_25004; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:10:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA88344928 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 596b090a_ba16_11d8_819d_00304828b574_25001; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CEF4F7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:10:15 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2DB7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5925f0ae_ba16_11d8_9407_00304828b574_24998; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EC9344928 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:10:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58549ce8_ba16_11d8_8550_00304828b574_24990; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:10:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DB3819E1E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:10:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 669D319B58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15452-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 59AB5199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4fa4328626f76766f4799367fc0550c7@vitanuova.com> To: macrod@xaplos.com, 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:16:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040609125113.UCQG24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>You are probably correct in your assumption that "soft realtime" was >>introduced by marketing, but you'd be surprised how many clients mention >>this. it can be a useful distinction, not confined to marketing. i'll quote Burns and Wellings ``Real-Time Systems and Programming Language'' (2nd Edition) because it's near to hand and they work in York: Practitioners in the field of real-time computer system design often distinguish between `hard' and `soft' real-time systems. Hard real-time systems are those where it is absolutely imperative that responses occur within the specified deadline. Soft real-time systems are those where response times are important but the system will still function correctly if deadlines are occasionally missed. Soft systems themselves can be distinguished from interactive ones in which there are no explicit deadlines. For example, a flight control system of a combat aircraft is a hard real-time system because a missed deadline could lead to a catastrophe, whereas a data acquisition system for a process control application is soft as it may be defined to sample an input sensor at regular intervals but to tolerate intermittent delays. Of course, many systems will have beoth hard and soft real-time subsystems. Indeed, some services may have both a soft and a hard deadline. For example, a response to a warning event may have a soft deadline of 50 ms (for an optimally efficient reaction) and a hard deadline of 200 ms (to guarantee that no damage to equipment or personnel takes place). Between 50 ms and 200 ms, the `value' (or utility) of the output decreases. [They go on to discuss `firm' deadlines, those that can be missed occasionally but in which there is no value at all in late delivery.] Of course, it's much the same as Dharani's definition except that the `soft' example is slightly better for me: i didn't like the idea of missing frames when DVD playing! reduced value indeed! the softness isn't a licence for sloppiness. From russcox@gmail.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 22:54:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 756a9e80_ba1c_11d8_9d12_00304828b574_27787; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:53:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F3934588E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:53:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75384728_ba1c_11d8_83d5_00304828b574_27784; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:53:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6D33D7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:53:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282C37580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:53:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74f6ca78_ba1c_11d8_9ab9_00304828b574_27778; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:53:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338BB34588E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:53:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74465a26_ba1c_11d8_920a_00304828b574_27770; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:53:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3F2F19DDA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:53:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94BD519D18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21233-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.243]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3DF35199C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so224589cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.72 with SMTP id x72mr147863cwb; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:53:37 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Network design question In-Reply-To: <40C68AB6.2040809@vif.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <40C68AB6.2040809@vif.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > - a service does translation from 9P to TCP for external communication > (at level 4?). there's no such service, at least not explicitly. 9P is an RPC protocol like CIFS (but much cleaner). like most protocols, 9P is independent of the underlying transport -- I regularly run 9P over Plan 9 pipes, Unix pipes, Unix domain sockets, and TCP. any stream transport will do. IL has fallen by the wayside. it didn't work well across wide area networks so we went back to TCP. as usual the OSI categories don't really fit the system. i would put 9P at 6 and sometimes 7, but not any lower. 5 and 4 is TCP/IL/pipes/whatever. russ From forsyth@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 22:56:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9f1436e_ba1c_11d8_9d64_00304828b574_30130; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAF3345FA8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9bb1852_ba1c_11d8_9701_00304828b574_30127; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4983F7580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:56:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ACB7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c982d46a_ba1c_11d8_8711_00304828b574_30124; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:56:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1325B345FA8 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:56:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8d59138_ba1c_11d8_9d8d_00304828b574_30121; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:56:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48A8319DA5 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:56:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A585319D3C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24066-01-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3B12199C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2204bac143fde3850cf0e1668e6dda8f@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Network design question From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:02:00 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>IL has fallen by the wayside. it didn't work well across >>wide area networks so we went back to TCP. i still use il/ip extensively, more than tcp/ip for 9p; possibly even more in future. From russcox@gmail.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 9 22:57:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef356952_ba1c_11d8_9550_00304828b574_30979; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:57:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2CA345FB2 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:57:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eefdfad0_ba1c_11d8_96fb_00304828b574_30976; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:57:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C6C107580FA; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:57:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E99F7580F9 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 22:57:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eec4bad6_ba1c_11d8_93bb_00304828b574_30973; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 22:57:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9ED345FB2 for ; 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Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.77 with SMTP id u77mr147738cwc; Wed, 09 Jun 2004 06:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:57:04 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9ports performance In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > : unix; time sed -e 's/e/E/g' fortunes > /dev/null > 0.01u 0.02s 0.03r sed -e s/e/E/g fortunes > : unix; time 9sed -e 's/e/E/g' fortunes > /dev/null > 0.17u 0.00s 0.17r 9sed -e s/e/E/g fortunes on the other hand, it could be worse. look at gnu grep: venti=; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Mark F Rodriguez wrote: > Now if we could get the benefits of grid computing from Inferno with [any > type of] realtime support, the world would be a better place:-) Thanks Mark! Do have any experiance with Inferno? I am VERY interested in it (May be more than in Plan9 I thank). Can I ask some question you about it? Regards, Wlad From macrod@xaplos.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 00:06:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c523224_ba26_11d8_8a1f_00304828b574_28444; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAE2345901 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c20c2ac_ba26_11d8_8889_00304828b574_28441; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AF2697580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6197E7580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bddc8f8_ba26_11d8_9eb5_00304828b574_28438; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C0D345901 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b31aa96_ba26_11d8_8c5c_00304828b574_28435; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:06:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 025C319FEA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:05:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 608CA19DD6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21222-02-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:04:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB85F19DD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xaplos ([68.209.108.223]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040609150444.BMCG13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:04:44 -0400 From: "Mark F Rodriguez" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 11:04:29 -0400 Organization: Xaplos, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <40C6C916.5080004@chunder.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Thread-Index: AcRN+qWtg9BBX5eUQVOgLOS40Q8adwAODbzQ Message-Id: <20040609150444.BMCG13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: macrod@xaplos.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > adding sape's edf code to inferno takes an hour. I just read the paper "Lightweight EDF Scheduling with Deadline Inheritance" and it was an interesting read. Has someone already done this for Inferno or were you talking theoretically? 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 15:34:55 -0000 Message-ID: <40C73516.4030700@chunder.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:04:38 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: macrod@xaplos.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) References: <20040609150444.BMCG13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> In-Reply-To: <20040609150444.BMCG13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i did it with an earlier version of the edf code. Mark F Rodriguez wrote: >>adding sape's edf code to inferno takes an hour. > > I just read the paper "Lightweight EDF Scheduling with Deadline > Inheritance" and it was an interesting read. Has someone already done this > for Inferno or were you talking theoretically? > > Thanks, > -Mark From rog@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:36 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 01:02:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67f672d0_ba2e_11d8_93d1_00304828b574_14983; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B04345201 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67c0b190_ba2e_11d8_92db_00304828b574_14980; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D11647580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A2E7580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6785dbba_ba2e_11d8_9a72_00304828b574_14976; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9B2345201 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 66dc1d00_ba2e_11d8_81dc_00304828b574_14973; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:02:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7B3019E1E for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:02:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95AB319CC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00144-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4940019C52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 12:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <08a9e9a7251e99ba3a580574228ab426@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:08:18 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <40C73516.4030700@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i did it with an earlier version of the edf code. was this with dis progs, or just with kprocs? 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 9 Jun 2004 15:41:22 -0000 Message-ID: <40C7369B.7060200@chunder.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:11:07 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) References: <08a9e9a7251e99ba3a580574228ab426@vitanuova.com> In-Reply-To: <08a9e9a7251e99ba3a580574228ab426@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu kprocs. rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>i did it with an earlier version of the edf code. > > was this with dis progs, or just with kprocs? 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X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu System is Mandrake-9.1 Linux. I compiled drawterm (usig mk form plan9-ports) and see a strange behavior: cpu% mk screen does not display any text after this. Same thing happens to mouse buttons-2 and 3 behavior (not text in boxes). I also tried precompiled binary form ucalgary's page and see the same behavior. Is there something missing from my Linux setup?? -ishwar From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 03:46:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 450f72e6_ba45_11d8_97dc_00304828b574_29822; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2037344F8C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44d77b48_ba45_11d8_8c53_00304828b574_29785; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AF0277580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644947580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 449cd79a_ba45_11d8_8661_00304828b574_29782; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8AC344F8C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 43ea8018_ba45_11d8_9c25_00304828b574_29711; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:46:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A661119F7D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:46:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE5E219CED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18637-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5D8A619CDC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E6B4937A9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <035501c44e51$6f2268a0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <4fa4328626f76766f4799367fc0550c7@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:41:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Practitioners in the field of real-time computer system design often > distinguish between `hard' and `soft' real-time systems. Hard real-time > systems are those where it is absolutely imperative that responses occur > within the specified deadline. Soft real-time systems are those where response > times are important but the system will still function correctly if deadlines > are occasionally missed. > ... > the softness isn't a licence for sloppiness. well put. 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Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:48:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <036501c44e51$e0e925f0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9ports performance Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:44:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > on the other hand, it could be worse. look at gnu grep: yeah, i'll bet all the time is spent in the arg processing code ;) From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:58:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <037201c44e53$3072d2a0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040609150444.BMCG13581.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:54:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > adding sape's edf code to inferno takes an hour. > > I just read the paper "Lightweight EDF Scheduling with Deadline > Inheritance" and it was an interesting read. Has someone already done this > for Inferno or were you talking theoretically? if brucee says it takes an hour, it takes an hour. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 04:01:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a4ce938_ba47_11d8_8a5b_00304828b574_9832; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602BD345CAE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 698fc452_ba47_11d8_8d81_00304828b574_9829; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 43D517580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21C07580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69485b4e_ba47_11d8_872e_00304828b574_9826; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01036345CAE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 689cc70c_ba47_11d8_8dad_00304828b574_9823; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3AD5C19E23 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:01:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ECFA819A10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25701-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D5E8F199F6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CC2B378F3; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:01:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <038001c44e53$94f19950$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40C7305B.9020402@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:57:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > my S&W .40 cal makes more of a mess especially with hollowpoints nah, FMJ, then you have more fun blowing off limbs. 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Bang! and /that's/ 'cause there are 9 more rounds in the clip ... From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 04:25:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c22b4b56_ba4a_11d8_86e3_00304828b574_30933; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD90345D25 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1f51c34_ba4a_11d8_880d_00304828b574_30930; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1A8DB7580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C66BC7580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1bbd5c8_ba4a_11d8_84f4_00304828b574_30927; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95A1345D25 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1102c0a_ba4a_11d8_8b45_00304828b574_30924; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 04:25:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D113119D6C for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:25:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96FBD19AD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:25:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21047-01-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68AAD19A28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C58667226; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <03e001c44e56$e8a30bd0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: , "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40C762C9.6060503@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] stress relief Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:21:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > maybe a more surgical approach with a .223 ... nah, the round is unstable and tumbles, tearing a large cavity. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jun 10 20:07:39 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 05:07:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aae19b3e_ba50_11d8_8efc_00304828b574_5806; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19458344D55 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aaac4cd6_ba50_11d8_9534_00304828b574_5803; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 05E9C7580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19547580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa72e1a8_ba50_11d8_85ac_00304828b574_5800; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F6A344D57 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9c81c0a_ba50_11d8_9ebb_00304828b574_5792; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0840219CED for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0227B19BFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00615-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68F3C19B76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57861501fab87e76db8f6731a22ff32a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm behavior.. Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 14:07:16 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > screen does not display any text after this. Same thing happens to > mouse buttons-2 and 3 behavior (not text in boxes). david tolpin has a patch for this on his web page (sorry, no link -- check the archives). it's not included in the binaries at UCalgary because nobody has asked for it (and it's a performance hit). i use drawterm on radeon and nvidia hw accelerated X's and never observe this problem. it did happen on S3 though. starting acme in a new window may bring back your drawterm to life. andrey From plan9@kp.km.ua Thu Jun 10 20:07:40 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 05:40:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 47207692_ba55_11d8_9cdb_00304828b574_928; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:40:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F913453C2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:40:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 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Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: cej@gli.cas.cz > > is OO paradigm overcome/superseeded/abandoned, or has more cons than pros? ------ From: Vladimir Los > may I answer it too? > OO paradigm is not the question of programming (coding if you want). > This is the thing of thinking and design. ------- This interview might be of interest (she's a Sun "Java Evangelist"): "... we seem to have reached the point where OO is no longer effective. No one can comfortably negotiate a system with thousands of classes. So, unfortunately, object-oriented programming has a fundamental flaw, ironically related to its main strength." - excerpted: The Next Move in Programming: A Conversation with Sun's Victoria Livschitz, -- Senior IT Architect and Java Evangelist, Sun Microsystems http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/livschitz_qa.html She also says: "... An enormous mess of XML documents that are now being created by enterprises at an alarming rate will be haunting our industry for decades." From rog@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 08:22:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d6bfbec8_ba6b_11d8_99d8_00304828b574_13650; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BAD0345025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d68a7ad8_ba6b_11d8_874d_00304828b574_13647; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 070C97580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5B27580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d64d7aca_ba6b_11d8_9a57_00304828b574_13640; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE93345025 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5a0e652_ba6b_11d8_8d83_00304828b574_13569; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:22:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 960BA19F80 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:22:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCBCF19B9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03820-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49E6F19B02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <75fb37e01dd8d7d4b2c692c3c1135ff3@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 00:27:55 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <005301c44e76$fd1907c0$a1fafea9@KimKubik> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > "... we seem to have reached the point where OO is no longer effective. > No one can comfortably negotiate a system with thousands of classes." this is really due to inheritance. such a handicap. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 08:27:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 85c82d4c_ba6c_11d8_902c_00304828b574_17368; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDD73454A2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 85936328_ba6c_11d8_9f22_00304828b574_17344; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9EACA7580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543FB7580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8551ff8c_ba6c_11d8_9694_00304828b574_17326; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634BF3454A2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 84a31832_ba6c_11d8_9d65_00304828b574_17250; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:27:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8A0B1A00F for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 11B8A19B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28030-02-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96D6F19B2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id CF5EB379C4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:26:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <047f01c44e78$9cb44b40$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40C57614.7030405@mipk.kharkiv.edu> <005301c44e76$fd1907c0$a1fafea9@KimKubik> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:22:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > "... we seem to have reached the point where OO is no longer effective. > No one can comfortably negotiate a system with thousands of classes. So, > unfortunately, object-oriented programming has a fundamental flaw, > ironically related to its main strength." > - excerpted: > The Next Move in Programming: A Conversation with Sun's Victoria > Livschitz, > -- Senior IT Architect and Java Evangelist, Sun Microsystems nuthin' wrong with OO. all decent C programmers write in an OO style. what IS wrong with it is that the core of these OO languages [java, python, C#, ...] is rotten. i don't need no thousands of classes: http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/Nsys/sys/nsys From ggm@apnic.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 08:55:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 810dea7c_ba70_11d8_9598_00304828b574_14619; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A82344494 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80d58ccc_ba70_11d8_92bb_00304828b574_14612; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9DED175810D; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D77C7580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b05bff6_ba70_11d8_8472_00304828b574_14522; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B78F345022 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:40:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6c1beb70_ba6e_11d8_9de5_00304828b574_30323; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:40:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4A4319E48 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:40:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 796F319B44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04101-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9528319B2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnic.net (durian.apnic.net [202.12.29.252]) by apnic.net (8.12.8/8.12) with SMTP id i59NeLTb029800 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:40:21 +1000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:40:21 +1000 From: George Michaelson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Message-Id: <20040610094021.098271c9@garlic> In-Reply-To: <047f01c44e78$9cb44b40$9b7f7d50@SOMA> References: <40C57614.7030405@mipk.kharkiv.edu> <005301c44e76$fd1907c0$a1fafea9@KimKubik> <047f01c44e78$9cb44b40$9b7f7d50@SOMA> Organization: APNIC Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AP-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.001 required=6 X-AP-Spam-Score: -100.001 (notspam) BAYES_44,USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu from kerneltraffic.org... This was one of those, "this would be weird and great", "no it wouldn't" discussions. Sergiy Lozovsky started it up innocently enough, asking how to deal with kernel stack overflow. Then it turned out that "I put LISP interpreter inside the Kernel - http://vxe.quercitron.com - It works, but it use a lot of stack memory. It's impossible to rewrite it easily, though I'll investigate why exactly it uses so much of stack memory" . From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 08:55:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a3103aa_ba70_11d8_8922_00304828b574_14778; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FDD344195 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 89f9fc98_ba70_11d8_8a1a_00304828b574_14774; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0CD057580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F29A7580FB for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e01c542_ba70_11d8_9006_00304828b574_14562; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEF134552A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:42:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ca9d586_ba6e_11d8_8c35_00304828b574_31756; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:42:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BFB8E19CCA for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:42:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 28DAC19B44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03820-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7DBED19B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 17:41:41 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <047f01c44e78$9cb44b40$9b7f7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/Nsys/sys/nsys ah, here's where the name 'rc' originated! http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/Nsys/sys/nsys/ken/rc.html from the commentary: Even the compilation mechanism is a bit unclear, though it certainly used the shell script ken/rc, which appears to depend on having the *.o files from ken/* and dmr/* and also slib.a, which doesn't exist on the tape. i love history :) From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 08:55:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b3f1a2a_ba70_11d8_8e7c_00304828b574_14790; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A2C344195 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b0a55b0_ba70_11d8_8751_00304828b574_14784; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D1AF97580FB; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BB77580FE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 807af32a_ba70_11d8_926d_00304828b574_14595; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9BF34450C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:46:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f8ac766_ba6f_11d8_9303_00304828b574_4215; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:46:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A0BCE19E07 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:46:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A568B19B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03820-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5520619B2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21DA0379C4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:45:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <049501c44e7b$4d8ce600$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40C57614.7030405@mipk.kharkiv.edu><005301c44e76$fd1907c0$a1fafea9@KimKubik><047f01c44e78$9cb44b40$9b7f7d50@SOMA> <20040610094021.098271c9@garlic> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:41:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > This was one of those, "this would be weird and great", "no it wouldn't" > discussions. Sergiy Lozovsky started it up innocently enough, asking how > to deal with kernel stack overflow. yeah, you take a kernel segment fault. that pretty much finishes up operations early, so you can do a lotta surfing. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 08:56:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f48a104_ba70_11d8_8113_00304828b574_14869; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912AE3445AB for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f038998_ba70_11d8_958b_00304828b574_14864; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 20241758102; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C763758100 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 838f5dda_ba70_11d8_8966_00304828b574_14640; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:55:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285A834474F for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:48:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c8c8fe4_ba6f_11d8_97a4_00304828b574_6874; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:48:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6350C19CA1 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:48:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E594419B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04101-01-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A8AB719B2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 78BF837A14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:48:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <049b01c44e7b$a9ffbcf0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:44:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ah, here's where the name 'rc' originated! > > http://minnie.tuhs.org/UnixTree/Nsys/sys/nsys/ken/rc.html rc? runcom -- run commands, right? From geoff@collyer.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 08:56:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d1bfb64_ba70_11d8_835b_00304828b574_15642; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84F534456D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ce58408_ba70_11d8_89c1_00304828b574_15639; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C38D57580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5C57580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9caabf3a_ba70_11d8_8cd7_00304828b574_15634; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E64434456D for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bffd3c2_ba70_11d8_8092_00304828b574_15630; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 08:56:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 27CD319F6D for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:56:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01E4119CDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04117-01-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85E1619B31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 19:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 16:55:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: <049b01c44e7b$a9ffbcf0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Right, rc is an abbreviation of runcom, which in turn comes from CTSS. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part1/section-3.html has a longer explanation. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 09:50:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3418f10a_ba78_11d8_88a2_00304828b574_27304; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A706E345DB3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33e34df2_ba78_11d8_9a40_00304828b574_27301; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 93B627580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3027580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33a9e17a_ba78_11d8_9d2a_00304828b574_27298; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B945345DB3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32fc9f6a_ba78_11d8_8763_00304828b574_27295; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:50:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 94D3019E2A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:50:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E238419BE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04924-01-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4354719D80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <159e044cf0c8655d1c7e6f5d3cce12cb@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:49:32 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] swap on /n/fooother/swap X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm using dunite Fossil+Venti file server, and have swap file under /n/duniteother/swap. When I use ken's file server, the swap files, in this case under the /n/dioriteother/swap directory, the swap file will be removed when I logoff the terminal. However, in the case of Fossil+Venti file server, it won't. What is the difference between the two? My dunite's proto file is as follows: srv -p fscons srv -p fscmd srv boot fsys main config /dev/sdC0/fossil # 36864 = (312MB - 8MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 # 29696 = (256MB - 8MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 #124928 = (1024MB - 16MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 # 59392 = (512MB - 16MB*3)*1024*1024/8192 fsys main open -c 59392 fsys main users -r /active/adm/users snaptime -s 60 -a 0500 -t 1440 listen il!*!17008 listen tcp!*!564 fsys other config /dev/sdC0/other fsys other open -c 2000 fsys main From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 10:05:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 553f1d3a_ba7a_11d8_9104_00304828b574_10169; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660C0344AF0 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 548409aa_ba7a_11d8_81ae_00304828b574_10161; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1528B7580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4637580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 542150a8_ba7a_11d8_9391_00304828b574_10155; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE74D344AF0 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:59:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 676c5352_ba79_11d8_85c5_00304828b574_3387; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 09:59:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7447319E2A for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:59:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0608419BE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12118-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23C5E19E28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 20:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.127.155]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E29D237913 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <051401c44e85$813186a0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <159e044cf0c8655d1c7e6f5d3cce12cb@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> Subject: Re: [9fans] swap on /n/fooother/swap Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 02:54:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ... When I use ken's file server, > the swap files, in this case under the /n/dioriteother/swap > directory, the swap file will be removed when I logoff the > terminal. swapping on the f/s. this does not sound wise. the f/s was intended for persistant storage. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 10 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 10:15:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba023206_ba7b_11d8_83fc_00304828b574_21386; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:15:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3273443F4 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:15:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9cc08ac_ba7b_11d8_85ab_00304828b574_21381; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:15:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3040675810B; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:15:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADAD7580FE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:15:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b75ed4d2_ba7b_11d8_8df9_00304828b574_21342; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:15:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E883446B3 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36beabfa_ba7a_11d8_8cc3_00304828b574_9559; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:05:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3919819FD7 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:05:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D3EA719C98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14640-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5586619ADF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 9 Jun 2004 21:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1b2af786a6ec5ff25e6a4e5e982767a0@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] swap on /n/fooother/swap From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:04:01 +0900 In-Reply-To: <051401c44e85$813186a0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > swapping on the f/s. this does not sound wise. the f/s was > intended for persistant storage. I swapped onto other file system, not main file system. Kenji From vdharani@infernopark.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 12:07:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 533960a2_ba8b_11d8_8c57_00304828b574_23824; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E30345740 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52124c70_ba8b_11d8_8b95_00304828b574_23809; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0E6BA7580F9; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36047580FD for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:07:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50ef3218_ba8b_11d8_90f5_00304828b574_23782; 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Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5A8GL04015079 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:16:21 -0500 Received: from 67.85.61.176 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:16:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <32902.67.85.61.176.1086855381.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <4fa4328626f76766f4799367fc0550c7@vitanuova.com> References: <20040609125113.UCQG24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> <4fa4328626f76766f4799367fc0550c7@vitanuova.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 03:16:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable charles, > Of course, it's much the same as Dharani's definition except that the > `soft' example is slightly better for me: > i didn't like the idea of missing frames when DVD playing! reduced val= ue > indeed! > > the softness isn't a licence for sloppiness. i am wondering if the wide popularity of DVD players followed by the quality improvement makes you think so. thanks dharani From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 10 20:07:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <058e01c44e9a$93e22ce0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040609125113.UCQG24541.imf23aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos><4fa4328626f76766f4799367fc0550c7@vitanuova.com> <32902.67.85.61.176.1086855381.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:25:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i am wondering if the wide popularity of DVD players followed by the > quality improvement makes you think so. humans can cope with with a a few missed frames. there are many factors involved. if we assume that TV is 26 (iirc) frames/second there is phosphor persistance on the the screen (let's forget about LCD's) and (iirc) there's retinal persistance. so, dropping a few frames doesn't really matter. oh yeah, it's interleaved as well. they may not even be watching when the frames are dropped. if yer talking about military or medical systems they have to be 'right on time' within certain tolerances. otherwise yer F-16 turns into an unflyable mess or your patient dies. if you wanna build a 'real time' system: 1. define it 2. design it 3. code it 4. test it till it breaks and should it, goto 1 otherwise, pick up a hammer and go search for some (soft) approximation of a nail's position. btw: as Seigfried said "WE DON'T DO THAT AT KAOS" From nigel@9fs.org Thu Jun 10 20:07:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:45:08 +0100 From: "Nigel Roles" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 06:45:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <058e01c44e9a$93e22ce0$9b7f7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > factors involved. if we assume that TV is 26 (iirc) frames/second > there is phosphor persistance on the the screen (let's forget about > LCD's) and (iirc) there's retinal persistance. so, dropping a > few frames doesn't really matter. oh yeah, it's interleaved as well. > > they may not even be watching when the frames are dropped. > Even if I softly drop a few words here and there, this is still recognisably rubbish. The frame rate is 25Hz for PAL, or 30Hz for NTSC (29.97 for pedants). SECAM is also 25 Hz. There is some persistance (sic), but the human eye/brain is extremely sensitive to missing frames, or disturbed frame timing, so it is arguable that persistence makes a timing error worse. You only have to watch a someone walk across the shot on a decent DVD player and then compare it will your typical soft decoder on a Windows laptop to know that seeing all the fields at the right time is a really important. Interleaving only helps reduce apparent flicker. Each field represents a different point in time, so missing a field, or replacing one with a copy of the previous one is ruinous. Swap the fields and everything looks furry. 100Hz TVs don't just display each field twice; they have a DSP in there to sort out the motion compensation and synthesise the missing fields. My 100Hz TV still screws up on fast scrolling credits (horizontal and vertical). Stick to what you know, Boyd. Except the guns; it's really, really tedious. 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So, > unfortunately, object-oriented programming has a fundamental flaw, > ironically related to its main strength." > - excerpted: > The Next Move in Programming: A Conversation with Sun's Victoria > Livschitz, > -- Senior IT Architect and Java Evangelist, Sun Microsystems > > http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Interviews/livschitz_qa.html > > She also says: > "... An enormous mess of XML documents that are now being > created by enterprises at an alarming rate will be haunting our industry for > decades." She (and somebody else) can say more and more but if we continue to have the main thing for reusing of code through inheritance of classes we continue to have "major flaws of OO". 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(brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 08:50:54 -0000 Message-ID: <40C827F5.2010707@chunder.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:20:53 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i get really annoyed with badly mastered dvds, let alone crap players that are worse than VHS. i get agitated by a dropped frame, particularly an I frame, and will return the DVD as faulty if it happens in the "good bits". yeah i have 100Hz component which does more video formats than i have the ITUs for. even worse are the DVDs that slip lip-sync 'cause they are badly mastered. when the lips and the voice get 2 frames apart i give up. remarkable that i can master a DVD-R from DV - at a high bit rate and get no such problems. this has little to do with real-time, but ... the reason i added edf to the ps2 inferno kernel was so the double buffering was in sync with the retrace and the IDCT dmas were in time for the buffer. i think the linux guys are still working on it and are happy with 5 fps, 'cause it's a start ... brucee Nigel Roles wrote: >>factors involved. if we assume that TV is 26 (iirc) frames/second >>there is phosphor persistance on the the screen (let's forget about >>LCD's) and (iirc) there's retinal persistance. so, dropping a >>few frames doesn't really matter. oh yeah, it's interleaved as well. >> >>they may not even be watching when the frames are dropped. >> > > > Even if I softly drop a few words here and there, this is still > recognisably rubbish. > > The frame rate is 25Hz for PAL, or 30Hz for NTSC (29.97 for pedants). > SECAM is also 25 Hz. > > There is some persistance (sic), but the human eye/brain > is extremely sensitive to missing frames, or disturbed frame timing, > so it is arguable that persistence makes a timing error worse. > You only have to watch a someone walk across the shot on a decent > DVD player and then compare it will your typical soft decoder on > a Windows laptop to know that seeing all the fields at the right > time is a really important. > > Interleaving only helps reduce apparent flicker. Each field represents > a different point in time, so missing a field, or replacing one > with a copy of the previous one is ruinous. Swap the fields and > everything looks furry. 100Hz TVs don't just > display each field twice; they have a DSP in there to > sort out the motion compensation and synthesise the missing fields. > My 100Hz TV still screws up on fast scrolling credits (horizontal > and vertical). > > Stick to what you know, Boyd. > Except the guns; it's really, really tedious. > > > From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu Jun 10 20:07:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 18:28:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7bbea89a_bac0_11d8_9c6f_00304828b574_12798; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:28:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04BC3445D4 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:28:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b898c3c_bac0_11d8_8b4e_00304828b574_12793; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:28:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 43FDB758102; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:28:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EF87580FE for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:28:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78b6e658_bac0_11d8_9a65_00304828b574_12491; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:28:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE72344DEB for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:21:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 839ccbce_babf_11d8_9f43_00304828b574_5172; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:21:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8023519FC6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:21:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4BE3C19CAD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11293-02-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail68.messagelabs.com (mail68.messagelabs.com [193.109.255.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A566F19BB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:20:51 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: steve@snellwilcox.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-68.messagelabs.com!1086859247!6646825 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 14394 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2004 09:20:48 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-14.tower-68.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2004 09:20:48 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:20:55 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5A9MfEr012704 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:22:42 +0100 Message-ID: <6ff347a45435d9cdf7d6732cce96ec5e@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 10:20:46 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > There is some persistance (sic), but the human eye/brain > is extremely sensitive to missing frames, or disturbed frame timing, > so it is arguable that persistence makes a timing error worse. Perhaps I am a pedant, but the missing frames are not the problem but the disjointed motion is. The human perceptual system has evolved to be good at predicting where moving objects will go (eg cricket balls) we can even "understand" second order changes (cars accelerating) but high order or disjoint motion looks "wrong". This is a major headache when designing motion estimators - people are very good as noticing where it goes wrong (like your TV). -Steve From andrew.simmons@monitorbm.co.nz Thu Jun 10 20:07:46 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 18:51:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfa48360_bac3_11d8_9607_00304828b574_1418; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79BB344E57 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf5dd564_bac3_11d8_8833_00304828b574_1415; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CAC337580FA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A867580F9 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf239444_bac3_11d8_9ce3_00304828b574_1412; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D52344E57 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be728c76_bac3_11d8_9c35_00304828b574_1407; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:51:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 940D619FFF for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:51:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6639019D6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14991-01-78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [210.86.15.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8FFCF19D9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 05:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040610095105.QWDY8595.avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:51:05 +1200 Received: from [210.54.110.2] by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20040610095104.GWJB11405.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@[210.54.110.2]> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:51:04 +1200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 21:43:21 +1200 Subject: RE: [9fans] A prick into the wasps' nest ;-) From: Andrew Simmons To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > Even if I softly drop a few words here and there, this is still > recognisably rubbish. > > The frame rate is 25Hz for PAL, or 30Hz for NTSC (29.97 for pedants). > SECAM is also 25 Hz. Surely a shade harsh? And a pedant might claim that PAL, NTSC, and SECAM are colour encoding systems, and as such independent of frame rate. Not to mention the fact that Fowler prefers "recognize" to "recognise", and claims that "synthetize", not "synthesize" is the correct formation. > Stick to what you know, Boyd. Oh right, so you have to know what you're talking about if you're going to post to 9fans? If that were the case, then I'd certainly never ... ah, I see what you mean. Better shut up now. 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And a pedant might claim that PAL, NTSC, and SECAM are >colour encoding systems, and as such independent of frame rate. Not to > > Yes, I think you'd have to be a pedant to claim that they weren't video standards. Sorry if I appeared harsh; It was the preceding sequence of gun related stuff that got me going; I was about to moan about it anyway, and then hit this email. >mention the fact that Fowler prefers "recognize" to "recognise", and claims >that "synthetize", not "synthesize" is the correct formation. > > > I have to admit that synthetize was a new one on me; I can now bore at parties with that one. Looking back I see that 'interpolate' would have been a more accurate word in the first place. >Oh right, so you have to know what you're talking about if you're going to >post to 9fans? If that were the case, then I'd certainly never ... ah, I see >what you mean. Better shut up now. > > > With a chap from Snell & Wilcox on the list I thought through what I posted, yes! 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Cc: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In article Doug Gwynn wrote: >Jon Snader wrote: > > What's unfortunate is that our bashing is often misinformed, both > > in spirit and in detail. The above comments are a case in point. > > Is there anyone here who really maintains that the two character > > name space in [nt]roff is not a disadvantage? Why should we > > complain that groff has removed this disadvantage? Why should we > > not remove it from [nt]roff? The answer given above is that the > > extension is incompatible, but that is incorrect. The groff > > rules for using registers are the same as for [nt]roff except ... > >Too bad you didn't bother to understand the comment to which >you replied. The incompatibility I mentioned was between >groff and SoftQuad's prior extension of the register names. >Now there are multiple formats for extended troff source >documents, something that could easily have been avoided. SoftQuad's troff is pretty much dead, and has been that way for quite a while. You can't find it on their web site and I wonder who is still using it? O'Reilly used it for some of their books, but they switched to using GNU Troff for their formatting a large number of years ago, keeping SQtroff only for reprints of the books done with it. (FWIW, even they have moved off troff to other technologies.) In terms of sheer numbers, SQtroff can't hold a candle to Groff, and I'd be curious to know how many people are still using SQtroff at all. As also mentioned, Groff is an *excellent* troff implementation. With the compatibility flag, I have successfully printed Unix documentation from 1980 with zero problems. (The System III doc for the MM macros, using the System III tmac.m file!) I have even had groff diagnose mistakes in my input files that Unix troff just silently accepted! > > What's unfortunate is that many of us here act as if no one else has > > anything to teach us. > >The GNU developers seem to provide support for that. I beg your pardon? I, at least, as a GNU developer, am well aware of what there is to learn from others. Other GNU developers are no more subjective about their work than many of the people here are. Which was the original poster's point, methinks. 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Command output: Invalid user specified. --B52F611E650.1086865886/host52a.simplicato.com Content-Description: Undelivered Message Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from localhost (localhost.simplicato.com [127.0.0.1]) by host52a.simplicato.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B52F611E650; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host52a.simplicato.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (host52a.simplicato.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 72768-10; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goprna.edu (ip-170.net-82-216-216.roubaix.rev.numericable.fr [82.216.216.170]) by host52a.simplicato.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A968E11E6BA; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 07:11:15 -0400 (EDT) From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu To: lahaut.annie@geotour.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:07:25 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Bankrott des Gesundheitswesens durch Auslaender! (Key:7906) Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <83d5ae45d93862.bc061.qmail@cse.psu.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at simplicato.com Die verschwiegenen Gruende der Kostenexplosion: Unlaengst aeusserte der Vorsitzende des Bayerischen Hausaerzteverbandes, Dr. Wolfgang Hoppenthaller, dass eine grosse Zahl auslaendischer 'Gesundheitstouristen' mit den Chipkarten ihrer Angehoerigen und Freunde bei uns die aerztliche Versorgung in Anspruch nimmt. Der Schaden sei laut Dr. Hoppenthaller 'bestimmt so hoch wie das aktuelle Defizit der Krankenkassen'. Doch die Kosten dieses Chipkarten-Betruges, den die Gemeinschaft aller Pflichtversicherten zu tragen hat, sind nur ein Grund des sich abzeichnenden Zusammenbruchs der sozialen und gesundheitlichen Versorgungssicherheit. Als Folge sogenannter bilateraler und multilateraler Sozialversicherungsabkommen (Vertraege mit einzelnen oder mehreren Staaten) werden von den Krankenkassen Millionenbetraege an Auslaender gezahlt, die sich in der BRD aufhalten, unabhaengig davon, ob diese hier arbeiten, arbeitslos oder Sozialhilfeempfaenger sind. Mitversichert sind auch deren Angehoerige, selbst wenn diese getrennt vom Unterhaltspflichtigen und auf Dauer in ihrem Heimatland leben. Der Kreis der Anspruchsberechtigten richtet sich dabei nicht nach den deutschen, sondern nach den Rechtsvorschriften der Herkunftslaender der Unterhaltspflichtigen. In einigen Laendern bezieht der erweiterte Familienkreis u.a. Eltern und Geschwister mit ein, wie z.B. in der Tuerkei. Die bekanntlich grosse Kinderzahl und ggf. mehrere Ehefrauen bilden Probleme. Ein zusaetzliches Problem birgt die grosszuegige Geste unserer Regierung, durch Versichertenausweise ohne Lichtbild den Missbrauch zu foerdern. Eine weitere, ausserordentliche Belastung entsteht zudem durch die z.T. erhebliche medizinische Unterversorgung in den Herkunftslaendern. Abkommen wurden bisher mit folgenden Laendern getroffen: Bosnien-Herzegowina, Bundesrepublik Jugoslawien, Israel, Kroatien, Marokko, Mazedonien, Polen, Schweiz, Slowenien, Tuerkei, Tunesien, Ungarn, Tschechien. Auch wenn diese Abkommen auf Gegenseitigkeit beruhen sollten, ist hier zweifelsfrei eine deutliche Schieflage feststellbar. Die vom Gesundheitsministerium mit dem Inkrafttreten der Gesundheitsreform den Aerzten 'verordnete' Medikamentenstreichliste sieht nur noch die Verschreibung von Billigmedikamenten vor. Diese Regelung gilt nur fuer die stets in die Solidarkassen einzahlenden Kassenpatienten, nicht aber fuer diejenigen, deren Krankheitskosten der Staat bezahlt, fuer Strafgefangene, Asylbewerber und Sozialhilfeempfaenger! Diesen kann der Arzt weiterhin teure 'Original-Medikamente' verschreiben, diese koennen ohne Abstriche oder Zuzahlungen medizinische/zahnmedizinische Leistungen, Krankenhausversorgung, Operationen, Unterbringung in Pflegeheimen etc. in Anspruch nehmen. Grund: In der Medikamentenstreichliste wurde die staatliche Krankenhilfe schlichtweg 'vergessen'! Die statistischen Jahrbuecher weisen aus, dass im Jahr 1989 256.000 deutsche Staatsangehoerige, 270.000 Auslaender und im Jahr 1993 250.000 deutsche Staatsangehoerige und 577.000 Auslaender uneingeschraenkte Krankenhilfe aus den Rentenkassen - ausser den 'sonstigen' Sozialhilfeleistungen - erhielten. Dies bedeutet bei den Deutschen in vier Jahren ein geringer Rueckgang, bei den Auslaendern mehr als eine Verdoppelung. Heute wird die Millionenzahl Anspruchsberechtigter bereits weit ueberschritten sein. >>>> Kein Wunder, dass die Zahlen seit 1994 nicht mehr veroeffentlicht werden. <<<< Was schließen wir daraus? Es sind nicht die in die Pflichtkrankenkassen einzahlenden Versicherten, die fuer das zunehmende Defizit sorgen, sondern vorrangig diejenigen, die auf Kosten der Solidargemeinschaft der Versicherten beitragsfrei die Kassen belasten. Eine Gleichbehandlung aller Versicherten im Krankheitsfall wird durch den Gesetzgeber verhindert. Zahlende Kassenpatienten werden medizinisch eindeutig schlechter gestellt als kostenfrei Anspruchsberechtigte. Es ist typisch, dass der Buerger ueber solche Handlungen nicht, falsch oder nur unzureichend informiert wird und keine Bundestagspartei solche Ursachen der Kostenexplosion zu kritisieren wagt. --B52F611E650.1086865886/host52a.simplicato.com-- From matt@juice.thebigchoice.com Fri Jun 11 21:47:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 10 20:31:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4943524_bad1_11d8_9dab_00304828b574_25883; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:31:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F52B34481A for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:31:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4636b24_bad1_11d8_9b52_00304828b574_25879; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:31:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 825817580FD; Thu, 10 Jun 2004 20:31:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 434A2758103 for ; 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Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406101058.i5AAwnoX018810@skeeve.com>, Subject: Re: [9fans] troff and 4.4BSD man pages X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>I have even had groff diagnose mistakes in my input files that >>Unix troff just silently accepted! > unix/plan9 troff silently accepts most mistakes, in my experience... In fact the troff input language definition requires that such things as uninitialized variables not be diagnosed. It's a feature, not a bug. 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > After discovering that I had somehow zapped the original code [...] > The kfs on the plan9 machine is [...] if you'd been using fossil, you wouldn't have zapped the code! 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Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:59:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <026f01c44f46$5fec6750$61fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <40C8A583.7000504@gmail.com> <015201c44f19$ef973f60$61fa7d50@SOMA> <4e24f2fa040610122567fb2f87@mail.gmail.com> <01bc01c44f21$207a2f50$61fa7d50@SOMA> <4e24f2fa040610124443467e41@mail.gmail.com> <01da01c44f24$68899300$61fa7d50@SOMA> <4e24f2fa04061013231be0e279@mail.gmail.com> <020101c44f2c$bc7758f0$61fa7d50@SOMA> <4e24f2fa040610142416558b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] freebsd v. plan9 - profile results (long) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:55:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu for whatever reason, i tested the AVL tree thing on a sony VAIO [coma]: 400Mhz, 64Mb, PII using kfs with a vanilla install. this is what time(1) found: 23.14u 3.40s 143.71s [rio] 22.57u 1.67s 31.21r [/dev/null] 23.13u 3.28s 70.50r [rio] obviously, output to rio is gonna be expensive. so what? From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jun 11 21:47:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 11 14:14:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 371801e0_bb66_11d8_9573_00304828b574_18395; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B50345E04 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3606c048_bb66_11d8_80aa_00304828b574_18367; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E0DC47580F9; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C327580FB for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 355a2324_bb66_11d8_81d1_00304828b574_18346; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE930345DFE for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2afc6e96_bb66_11d8_9b31_00304828b574_17873; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BDA61A038 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:14:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEA7B1A016 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21563-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0AB11A015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55c5bb256adab41a392c092536230a86@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:14:51 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-uytvqyaazkclodsvpascttoxgs" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-uytvqyaazkclodsvpascttoxgs Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It has passed about a month from we started to use CompactFlash based kfs standalone AUTH server here. The AUTH server is now counted 13650 process number, and has not have no problem so far. I'm now leaning to have convice it is useful for this purpose. If someone wants to make this kind of stanalone AUTH server, I reccommend you to go. To have standalone AUTH server is good for anyone who wants to have multiple file servers, such as Fossil+Venti and Ken's file server. Furthermore, it has no mechanical disks, no floppy, no CDROM, no disk, we have no element to be broken accidentally.=E2=98=BA Kenji --upas-uytvqyaazkclodsvpascttoxgs Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.103.2]) by diabase; Thu May 13 11:42:09 JST 2004 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3p2+/3.7W-04040813) with ESMTP id LAA10364 for ; Thu, 13 May 2004 11:42:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B2EE19F6A for ; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B5E319C26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06175-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2737219C0D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 12 May 2004 22:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 11:43:22 +0900 In-Reply-To: <92aca6e700054996032dea898ab4386c@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Ok! Now, I started to use Compact Flash as our Auth server's > kfs, which means standalone AUTH server. The machine is floppy- disk-less Celeron 366MHz Mitsubishi Aprocot CX-200 (very old machine!) with 160MB SDRAM. This machine has LAN card on its board (i82557). The Compact Flash is Toshiba THNCF256MMA (256MB), and an IDE interface card of "IR-ICF01S". This machine does only /bin/service.auth. Kenji --upas-uytvqyaazkclodsvpascttoxgs-- From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Fri Jun 11 21:47:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 11 14:15:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6bda02e8_bb66_11d8_8495_00304828b574_19864; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CADB3441F9 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ba42470_bb66_11d8_867c_00304828b574_19859; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A3D77580F9; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900FD7580FA for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b219ac8_bb66_11d8_9cfe_00304828b574_19853; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0993345E08 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69fc5084_bb66_11d8_803f_00304828b574_19834; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:15:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 103721A019 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:15:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A08E91A014 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21563-01-96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1085219B66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 01:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3747663bc89e76950b62435bb49d6c21@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Compact Flash standalone AUTH server From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:17:00 +0900 In-Reply-To: <55c5bb256adab41a392c092536230a86@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The AUTH server is now counted 13650 process number, This is of course for AUTH server, not CPU server. 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Command output: Invalid user specified. --9135C11E883.1086957000/host52a.simplicato.com Content-Description: Undelivered Message Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from localhost (localhost.simplicato.com [127.0.0.1]) by host52a.simplicato.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9135C11E883; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host52a.simplicato.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (host52a.simplicato.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60649-08; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xjjot.edu (ip-170.net-82-216-216.roubaix.rev.numericable.fr [82.216.216.170]) by host52a.simplicato.com (Postfix) with SMTP id AC9B011E7A6; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:44:30 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EU gibt Erwerbslosen volle Freizuegigkeit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <39157a7ca5234e.4f22d.qmail@cse.psu.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: undisclosed-recipients: ; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at simplicato.com Einwanderungswelle osteuropaeischer Sozialhilfe-Empfaenger befuerchtet Muenchen (rpo). Hans-Werner Sinn, Praesident des ifo-Institut hat in der 'Sueddeutschen Zeitung' vor einer massiven Einwanderungswelle osteuropaeischer Sozialhilfe-Empfaenger nach Deutschland gewarnt. Zwar habe die EU Uebergangsfristen fuer Arbeitnehmer verankert, doch Erwerbslose duerften sofort einwandern und haetten von Anfang an 'Anspruch auf alle sozialen Leistungen'. Diese Regelung sei grotesk und werde die westeuropaeischen Sozialstaaten zerstoeren. Nur eine Aenderung der EU-Verfassung koenne das noch verhindern. Die Folgen der vom EU-Parlament gebilligten Freizuegigkeits-Richtlinie fuer Wanderungen innerhalb der EU seien 'von Politik und Oeffentlichkeit total uebersehen' worden, kritisierte der Wirtschaftswissenschaftler. Osteuropaeer duerfen waehrend einer mehrjaehrigen Uebergangsfrist zwar 'nicht als Arbeitnehmer kommen. Als Selbststaendige und nicht erwerbstaetige Personen duerfen sie sich jedoch sofort in Deutschland niederlassen', erklaerte Sinn. 'Von Anfang an hat auch der nicht Erwerbstaetige Anspruch auf alle sozialen Leistungen des Staates wie ein Einheimischer. Das wird viele, die in den aermeren Regionen Europas zu Hause sind, veranlassen, in die reichen Sozialstaaten der EU zu wandern.' Die Anreize seien uebermaechtig. Die deutsche Sozialhilfe sei fuenf Mal so hoch wie ein slowakischer Lohn. Die bevorstehende Armutswanderung aus Osteuropa werde die westeuropaeischen Sozialstaaten erodieren: 'Die Staaten werden ihre Leistungen in einer Art Abschreckungswettbewerb zurueckschrauben, weil keiner zum Ziel der Wohlfahrtswanderungen werden will', und 'im Endeffekt wird Europa nur noch so sozial sein koennen, wie es Amerika heute ist'. Um dies abzuwenden, muessten die EU-Staaten 'das Recht der Migration in den Sozialstaat' streichen: Das Heimatland muesste fuer die Sozialleistungen an nicht erwerbstaetige Zuwanderer zustaendig bleiben, forderte der ifo-Praesident. 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X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: Axel Belinfante > > Just curious: has anyone had any luck with the > current plan9 ports package on sunos 5.8? > (I read that Bengt has problems too, and that > for Russ it works (fine?) on 5.9, correct?) Well, I had to comment out some stuff that doesn't work and rename a few symbols, but in large part it works. I believe Bengt already described most of these problems. I'm typing this in acme right now. I do notice that among my diffs that at one point I played with the stack size. 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Index: cmd/acme/dat.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/src/cmd/acme/dat.h,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -r1.7 dat.h 549c549 < #define STACK 32768 --- > #define STACK 65536 Index: libthread/main.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/src/libthread/main.c,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -r1.9 main.c 47c47 < mainstacksize = 32*1024; --- > mainstacksize = 64*1024; From forsyth@vitanuova.com Sat Jun 12 19:25:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 11 23:03:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 15bf2826_bbb0_11d8_9b88_00304828b574_28570; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:03:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDF534436E for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:03:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 158db07a_bbb0_11d8_9ada_00304828b574_28565; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:03:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F06847580FE; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:02:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F387580FD for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:02:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01342cbc_bbb0_11d8_8417_00304828b574_27376; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:02:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09591344238 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:56:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1bd93572_bbaf_11d8_8776_00304828b574_19962; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:56:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 419021A05A for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:56:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E4BC1A040 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09653-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D96B1A037 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8abf22a4b0a9b3fbfd0c7709d7be288e@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? From: C H Forsyth Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:02:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu --- > #define STACK 65536 =================================================================== --- > mainstacksize = 64*1024; what are they doing that uses that much?? 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Message-ID: <20040611135804.GB6421@mero.morphisms.net> References: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <8abf22a4b0a9b3fbfd0c7709d7be288e@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8abf22a4b0a9b3fbfd0c7709d7be288e@vitanuova.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 03:02:04PM +0100, C H Forsyth wrote: > --- > > #define STACK 65536 > =================================================================== > --- > > mainstacksize = 64*1024; > > > what are they doing that uses that much?? Maybe they're as clever as the GNU folks and use a ton of stack space to do qsort(). From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 19:25:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 11 23:19:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69370f6c_bbb2_11d8_9e17_00304828b574_10464; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE9C344EB6 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69016060_bbb2_11d8_9603_00304828b574_10461; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A963E7580FA; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECA17580F9 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68c690fc_bbb2_11d8_81a6_00304828b574_10456; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB16344EB6 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68190a54_bbb2_11d8_9bfd_00304828b574_10451; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:19:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 757791A0C2 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00DAC19A1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09652-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.243]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 7E58919A00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so275276cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.100.63 with SMTP id x63mr245193cwb; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:11 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? In-Reply-To: <20040611135804.GB6421@mero.morphisms.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <8abf22a4b0a9b3fbfd0c7709d7be288e@vitanuova.com> <20040611135804.GB6421@mero.morphisms.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Maybe they're as clever as the GNU folks > and use a ton of stack space to do qsort(). Now, now. The only reason the GNU folks use a lot of stack space for qsort() is the big buffer that they read /proc/meminfo into. The sort itself is very careful about how much stack it uses. Russ From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Sat Jun 12 19:25:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 11 23:20:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 830b5dee_bbb2_11d8_9a97_00304828b574_11236; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22903345185 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82dad5ca_bbb2_11d8_877a_00304828b574_11233; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0C7F97580F9; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9EE7580FA for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8299be00_bbb2_11d8_868c_00304828b574_11230; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01EC345185 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 81ed282a_bbb2_11d8_8c38_00304828b574_11224; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:20:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2280F1A210 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:19:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B49B61A125 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05170-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 07EE01A114 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i5BEIeG22889 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406111418.i5BEIeG22889@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: C H Forsyth > > --- > > #define STACK 65536 > =================================================================== > --- > > mainstacksize = 64*1024; > > > what are they doing that uses that much?? Well, like I said, I may be (and probably am) overprovisioning my stacks. But I know that you can't go too far below 32k and expect anything to work. For one thing, every stack frame needs to reserve space to spill an entire register window (96 bytes), plus locals, plus arguments that don't fit in registers. For another thing, some of the call stacks in X are ridiculously deep. From rminnich@lanl.gov Sat Jun 12 19:25:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 00:02:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b332fb6_bbb8_11d8_8253_00304828b574_15338; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC47034485D for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:02:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a3f2cd6_bbb8_11d8_800d_00304828b574_15326; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:02:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4F69C7580FE; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:02:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8EA7580F9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:02:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67fd6320_bbb8_11d8_8831_00304828b574_15315; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:02:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24D93443F6 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:59:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5588368_bbb7_11d8_8e19_00304828b574_11510; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:59:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F078F1A05F for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:59:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12A1419B5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09652-02-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6985619B6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 10:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5BExBYI025688 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:59:11 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5BExB24003275 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:59:11 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5BEx9wO023937 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:59:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:59:08 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] freebsd v. plan9 - profile results (long) In-Reply-To: <40C8A583.7000504@gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Matt Pidd-Cheshire wrote: > rob pike suggested that the cpu cache might be disabled under plan9, > if so please to tell me how i can enable it; i'll gladly hack the > kernel source (mine) if i can get a little guidance, and a bit of > sleep. that seems very unlikely to me. It's pretty hard to disable them nowadays and I have not yet found a BIOS that would do such a foolish thing. Plus, with cache disable EVERYTHING would be slow, as in waiting many many more seconds than you would expect for the boot. Why did you use kfs and not fossil, I wonder? ron From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Sat Jun 12 19:25:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 00:15:47 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3702c916_bbba_11d8_9779_00304828b574_29836; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:15:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B9A344946 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:15:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 36c83512_bbba_11d8_97fd_00304828b574_29826; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:15:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A9F47580FD; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:15:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACCB758103 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:15:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 34a46530_bbba_11d8_8b9c_00304828b574_29797; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:15:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63623344658 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:06:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e6718358_bbb8_11d8_8063_00304828b574_19575; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:06:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32DF719D07 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:06:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E52B19B6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27952-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87D6119B5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5BF5wxj017094 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:05:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5BF5wdV012701 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:05:58 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5BF5xo17364 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:05:59 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406111505.i5BF5xo17364@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:51:30 -0400." <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> References: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Well, I had to comment out some stuff that doesn't work and rename a > few symbols, but in large part it works. I believe Bengt already > described most of these problems. I'm typing this in acme right now. Cool. Looked back at Bengt's message, and reread the (p9)yield fix, which I remembered applying. Then found that my libthread/fdwait.c starts (started, by now) with a #define NONOPLAN9DEFINES such that my pollidle would call sunos' yield() instead of libthreads (renamed via the #define) p9yield() :-( (why I did add the NONOPLAN9DEFINES there I don't recall) Suffices to say that after some recompilations acme now works, and I'm pretty confident that after recompiling (after removing all the debug prints I introduced) the whole port will benefit from the increased stack sizes. Thanks _a_lot_ for the replies to my initial post in this thread, which gave me enough inspiration to put in enough perspiration... Axel - feeling foolish, but happy it works now From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jun 12 19:25:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 00:36:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2157e896_bbbd_11d8_8318_00304828b574_17778; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:36:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B76344F1F for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:36:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2123142c_bbbd_11d8_9c83_00304828b574_17775; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:36:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8ED687580FA; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:36:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D8C7580F9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:36:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20ea3170_bbbd_11d8_883a_00304828b574_17772; 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Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f0b06ef916b9d4c1b0d860b83ede1c3@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 09:36:13 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] links bugfix X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu thanks to Heiko for noticing (and no thanks to me for taking so long to fix) the problem 'links' was experiencing with down-arrow keys since the big down-arrow change in Plan 9. new source and a 386 binary available at: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/links/ note that this is the fixed font version. the varfont one is just too messy to fix. andrey From axwrt001@yahoo.com Sat Jun 12 19:25:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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11 Jun 2004 15:37:16 -0000 Message-ID: <40C9D19F.6030303@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 08:37:03 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040421 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] freebsd v. plan9 - profile reusults (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1156; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.8 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, NO_RDNS_DOTCOM_HELO X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why did you use kfs and not fossil, I wonder? convenience... the first time i installed 9e4 it did not offer me a choice. i learned how to use kfs and, given the posts about the occasional problems people seem to have with fossil - plus the limited amount of space on my machine - kfs seemed a safe if not adventurous option. i have other obstacles to overcome, putting a new fs model in the way is not a priority. From heiko.dudzus@gmx.de Sat Jun 12 19:25:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 02:03:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 489abc06_bbc9_11d8_87b9_00304828b574_32206; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C9D3451AD for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4865b70e_bbc9_11d8_84b9_00304828b574_32203; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 637C47580FA; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A24B7580F9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 482b1b94_bbc9_11d8_91e0_00304828b574_32200; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0533451AD for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 477ebb1a_bbc9_11d8_8b94_00304828b574_32197; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 02:03:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 15ADF1A0A1 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:03:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45F001A061 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03603-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFFAA1A05F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 13:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BYpNi-0001N9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 17:59:54 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 16:59:45 GMT From: Heiko Dudzus Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] customization of acmes main tag X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I tried to put the command 'Mail' into the main tag[1] and to get it saved into the acme.dump. But while it is easy to put a word in a windows tag and to dump it, this does not work for the main tag. I prefer having cutom commands there over having it in a window (tag or body) because windows gets closed from time to time (the more open windows the more confusion) In short words: I intend to store commands of permanent importance on a permanent place. Is there a way to do this? If not: What do you think about it? Regards, Heiko [1] acme(1) speaks of the tag "across the whole display" From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jun 12 19:25:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 03:36:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3286754c_bbd6_11d8_89f5_00304828b574_18591; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 03:36:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD082345149 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 03:36:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32502636_bbd6_11d8_812e_00304828b574_18560; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 03:36:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 72ABA758106; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 03:36:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227D2758101 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 03:36:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3012b406_bbd6_11d8_94c9_00304828b574_18283; 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Fri, 11 Jun 2004 14:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <139224aaf1e0b4b62844f9ebdf423a58@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] customization of acmes main tag Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:35:06 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu to start acme mail in a new window i have the following function defined in my profile: plan9% cat '/env/fn#amail' fn amail {acme -l $home^/acmemail.dump} plan9% where acmemail.dump is a dump of a brand new acme session with only the Mail command started. brought to you courtesy of the tips section of the LANL Plan 9 page (lots of useful tidbits there): http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/tips.html andrey From uncover@beat.cc.titech.ac.jp Sat Jun 12 19:25:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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12 Jun 2004 01:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO vc2.net.titech.ac.jp) (131.112.125.36) by mx2.net.titech.ac.jp with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 01:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO o.cc.titech.ac.jp) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Jun 2004 01:51:14 -0000 Received: from valinore by mail-o.cc.titech.ac.jp (8.11.3/1.1.10.5/20Feb97-0455PM) id i5C1pEF45207; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:51:14 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: YAMANASHI Takeshi Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:51:06 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] The name of filesystem test tool X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I remember that someone mentioned about a filesystem integrity test tool, but I don't remember the name of the tool nor who did. So, could someone show me pointers, please? My grepping 9fans-archive (since 2004-Jan) and googling did not avail much to me. Thank you. -- From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 19:25:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 11:06:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 135f3fac_bc15_11d8_89aa_00304828b574_6549; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:06:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4821344A3D for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:06:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 132a8122_bc15_11d8_8271_00304828b574_6522; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:06:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 55C647580FC; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:06:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD53A7580F9 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:06:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 10aefb80_bc15_11d8_96f8_00304828b574_6236; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:06:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F564344B00 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:56:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8ef65de_bc13_11d8_83be_00304828b574_28220; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:56:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 529101A0BC for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:56:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7FC71A08C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13740-02-73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 56EED1A07C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so9638cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.77 with SMTP id u77mr28633cwc; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 21:56:11 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] The name of filesystem test tool In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I remember that someone mentioned about a filesystem > integrity test tool, but I don't remember the name of the tool > nor who did. So, could someone show me pointers, please? which file system? From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 19:25:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 11:16:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72fb00c6_bc16_11d8_8a62_00304828b574_17233; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4E8344ADC for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7287de8e_bc16_11d8_8347_00304828b574_17159; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1425C7580F9; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:15:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6D8758104 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:15:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 708630d6_bc16_11d8_8a19_00304828b574_17101; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:15:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBFAC344ADC for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:04:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d9cdd866_bc14_11d8_814b_00304828b574_4536; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:04:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96F641A0A1 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:04:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 322C51A09E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21865-02-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.240]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D53051A0A0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so9716cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.2 with SMTP id u2mr29208cwc; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 19:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:04:15 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] The name of filesystem test tool In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I remember that someone mentioned about a filesystem > integrity test tool, but I don't remember the name of the tool > nor who did. So, could someone show me pointers, please? For kfs, use kfscmd check. See kfscmd(8). For the WORM file server, use the "check" command. See fs(8). For fossil, use the new "check" command. See fossilcons(8). You are probably remembering fossil's flchk, which was a failed experiment. You can still use flchk, but the console command is a lot easier to use and is safe to use on a running system. (Flchk is not, since what it decides will be out of date by the time you actually run the commands.) Russ From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sat Jun 12 19:25:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 11:16:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7973857c_bc16_11d8_9115_00304828b574_17894; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D24A344367 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7936e48c_bc16_11d8_8a41_00304828b574_17868; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1FA617580FD; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C88C3758104 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72c36e54_bc16_11d8_90ca_00304828b574_17131; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD18C3445FA for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:09:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9628522a_bc15_11d8_8ee7_00304828b574_10169; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46C131A0A4 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 67FCA1A09E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21865-02-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC34C1A0A4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The name of filesystem test tool Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:09:24 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I remember that someone mentioned about a filesystem > integrity test tool, but I don't remember the name of the tool > nor who did. So, could someone show me pointers, please? steve simon started a thread called 'fs tester' on the 20th of may: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&selm=9f3cccddf23caa6d42b68c7842fb2869%40snellwilcox.com i didn't follow it completely so i have no idea whether there was any software posted. hth: andrey From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jun 12 19:25:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 11:16:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e4435ce_bc16_11d8_8cd8_00304828b574_18061; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E6D344546 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7dc5e3cc_bc16_11d8_9327_00304828b574_18047; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EDEF475810A; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BD67580FF for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72ff91c2_bc16_11d8_8f3a_00304828b574_17160; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:16:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B0C34442D for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:10:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a455085c_bc15_11d8_92c5_00304828b574_11061; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:10:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DFBA01A0BE for ; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:10:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC5B81A0BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00684-02-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 769481A0BA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 22:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.97]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DC6CE67110 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:09:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <05c201c45021$d00507f0$61fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] The name of filesystem test tool Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 04:06:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu may it's the f/s thrasher that ron mentioned? 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So, could someone show me pointers, please? > > which file system? Sorry for not giving clear details and using the word `integrity' confusingly. I only remember that the guy used the tool to test a filesystem he was developing. I don't remember whether it was on Plan 9 nor linux. Geoff sent me a tool called fsx privately (and two versions of it!, thank you :), and I think this would be it. I will use the tool to test a suspected RAID box attached to a linux host. My many thanks to you all. -- Sincerely, YAMANASHI Takeshi From russcox@gmail.com Sat Jun 12 19:25:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 12 12:16:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id efc9f9ba_bc1e_11d8_8723_00304828b574_3329; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:16:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D4B344654 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:16:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef1e3b16_bc1e_11d8_9e50_00304828b574_3320; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:16:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2B7817580FF; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:16:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D8D7580FC for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:16:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eecc5fe4_bc1e_11d8_9023_00304828b574_3314; 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Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 75so6518rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.122.59 with SMTP id u59mr31049cwc; Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:12:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 23:12:50 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] fossil X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu there's a new fossil on sources that should fix the leaks people have been encountering. as i mentioned in the other thread, the console "check" command should be used in place of flchk. in particular, to fix your leaks you can do fsys main check fix pdir (of course, snap -a and wait for the vac first, just in case.) the pdir is optional, but it is good for seeing that something is going on. russ From le_za@cdclondon.co.uk Sun Jun 13 07:35:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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So, could someone show me pointers, please? it is fsx, and I think I put it into the v9fs tree. We used it to test v9fs and it was used to find problems with the open source NFS stacks (linux, *bsd) etc. ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Sun Jun 13 07:35:41 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 13 06:29:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9dcaf9e0_bcb7_11d8_94c5_00304828b574_3800; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FEE344D51 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d92c142_bcb7_11d8_8233_00304828b574_3797; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 820FA7580FA; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375157580F9 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d5792d4_bcb7_11d8_9d46_00304828b574_3794; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B54344D51 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ca87236_bcb7_11d8_9ea7_00304828b574_3791; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:29:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D57D19BE0 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:29:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8268119B87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06458-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A39219B19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5CLTLYI027723 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:29:21 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5CLTL3V013013 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:29:21 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5CLTLwO014125 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:29:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 15:29:20 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] The name of filesystem test tool In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, 11 Jun 2004, Russ Cox wrote: > > I remember that someone mentioned about a filesystem > > integrity test tool, but I don't remember the name of the tool > > nor who did. So, could someone show me pointers, please? > > For kfs, use kfscmd check. See kfscmd(8). > For the WORM file server, use the "check" command. See fs(8). > For fossil, use the new "check" command. See fossilcons(8). > > You are probably remembering fossil's flchk, which was a failed > experiment. You can still use flchk, but the console command > is a lot easier to use and is safe to use on a running system. > (Flchk is not, since what it decides will be out of date by the time > you actually run the commands.) Guess I misunderstood the use of the word 'integrity' here, ignore my last message :-) ron From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jun 15 07:13:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 07:00:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26b14c28_bd85_11d8_9c2d_00304828b574_14991; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258BF344FB9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 267dac38_bd85_11d8_9ff5_00304828b574_14988; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 07ED67580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA55A7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2642161e_bd85_11d8_8af5_00304828b574_14985; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4BF9344FC2 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 257d0b26_bd85_11d8_8cd2_00304828b574_14976; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 245C819F1A for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:00:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8290619BF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10606-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7CA519B81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.182]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 069C9671D2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 00:00:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00d101c45191$a0271480$b6587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:58:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Ken C X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu does it have a pub domain published lex structure + grammar? -- MGRS 31U DQ 52572 12604 From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jun 15 07:13:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 10:46:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ddb8ce0_bda4_11d8_96c4_00304828b574_21608; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F3C34433F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9da02f7e_bda4_11d8_96b5_00304828b574_21604; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CA6547580F9; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:46:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B623A75811D for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:45:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8e4f3cd6_bda4_11d8_9926_00304828b574_20652; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:45:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19368344164 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:35:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 12b8ec26_bda3_11d8_9836_00304828b574_8998; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:35:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DE2651A03C for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:35:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6BB30199D4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03274-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE3BC199DB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36a665624cf5daceae8863202c979c43@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] links bugfix From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:34:03 +0900 In-Reply-To: <3f0b06ef916b9d4c1b0d860b83ede1c3@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > note that this is the fixed font version. the varfont one is just too > messy to fix. Does this mean it cannot be compiled in the new sources environment? I haven't checked this yet, but I was able to compile it on a older sourc= e trees of Fossil server, but failed on a newer en's file server source. = I haven't checked what is the difference between two, because I had been having Fos= sil server for a long time not used heavily...=E2=98=BA Kenji From tom@insolvencyhelp.org Tue Jun 15 07:13:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 12:07:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0063dd08_bdb0_11d8_9605_00304828b574_28309; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B05834424D for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0029e09e_bdb0_11d8_9b7e_00304828b574_28305; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BE2857580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F9E758108 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe2a38de_bdaf_11d8_9adf_00304828b574_28285; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AA5344A97 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4497b36_bdaf_11d8_9256_00304828b574_28158; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:07:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4343719F36 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:07:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6657319F15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13767-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:06:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0395B19F14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aluminum.miller.net (h0004e267c13e.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.91.163.177]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200406140306540160081ceee>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:06:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:24:35 -0400 From: "Thomas Miller" Organization: InsolvencyHelp.Org To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <40CD0C63.nailE951M55XK@insolvencyhelp.org> User-Agent: nail 10.7 3/19/04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9port, NetBSD, sched_yield X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Thomas Miller , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, On NetBSD aluminum.miller.net 2.0E NetBSD 2.0E (GENERIC) #0: Fri Apr 30 23:59:41 EDT 2004 root@:/usr/obj/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC i386 using a newly checked out from cvs plan9port, when I cd /usr/local/plan9 ./INSTALL I get [ many lines of .o's apparently successfully created ] followed by this error + 9l -o o.mk arc.o archive.o bufblock.o env.o file.o graph.o job.o lex.o main.o match.o mk.o parse.o recipe.o rule.o run.o sh.o shprint.o symtab.o var.o varsub.o word.o unix.o /usr/local/plan9/src/../lib/libregexp9.a /usr/local/plan9/src/../lib/libbio.a /usr/local/plan9/src/../lib/lib9.a /usr/local/plan9/src/../lib/lib9.a(lock.o)(.text+0x6a): In function `lock': /usr/local/plan9/src/lib9/lock.c:42: undefined reference to `sched_yield' /usr/local/plan9/src/../lib/lib9.a(sleep.o)(.text+0xf): In function `p9sleep': /usr/local/plan9/src/lib9/sleep.c:13: undefined reference to `sched_yield' + install -c o.mk /usr/local/plan9/src/../bin/mk install: o.mk: stat: No such file or directory Would someone please tell me how to fix this error? Thanks, Tom From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Tue Jun 15 07:13:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 12:19:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b25c23b6_bdb1_11d8_9a09_00304828b574_5363; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497FE344FFE for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2240dfa_bdb1_11d8_9a61_00304828b574_5358; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 31E877580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF70F7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b1e90d4a_bdb1_11d8_8fc6_00304828b574_5354; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE27F345001 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b1234a1a_bdb1_11d8_8125_00304828b574_5345; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:19:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B653119E18 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:19:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4ABE019CF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13767-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D48C319BA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700C224FFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6F88527; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:19:29 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port, NetBSD, sched_yield Message-ID: <20040614031929.GA26824@mero.morphisms.net> References: <40CD0C63.nailE951M55XK@insolvencyhelp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <40CD0C63.nailE951M55XK@insolvencyhelp.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 10:24:35PM -0400, Thomas Miller wrote: > NetBSD aluminum.miller.net 2.0E NetBSD 2.0E (GENERIC) #0: > > Would someone please tell me how to fix this error? Do a NetBSD port :-) I don't think anyone has bothered to do a NetBSD port since I stopped using NetBSD and that was several years ago when the Plan 9 port stuff was in a different (and much less complete) state. Sched_yield is in libpthread under NetBSD, but I very much doubt that just linking against is sufficient; it may make the link error go away, however. If I have time later in the week I can look into doing a port, but I don't have a NetBSD box here physically, so I can't test anything that uses X11. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jun 15 07:13:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 12:43:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0665548e_bdb5_11d8_96ef_00304828b574_24485; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9817345572 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 06342ec2_bdb5_11d8_819f_00304828b574_24482; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AC2F27580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4081E7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05de6fe6_bdb5_11d8_9e60_00304828b574_24479; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527D2345572 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05324680_bdb5_11d8_9fa5_00304828b574_24472; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:43:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C0FF19BC0 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:43:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E463B19E10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13767-01-84 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F54F19BC0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44559137aff5d4eb017a4760b09119a2@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] links bugfix Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:43:11 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <36a665624cf5daceae8863202c979c43@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> note that this is the fixed font version. the varfont one is just too >> messy to fix. >=20 > Does this mean it cannot be compiled in the new sources environment? > I haven't checked this yet, but I was able to compile it on a older sou= rce > trees of Fossil server, but failed on a newer en's file server source. = I haven't > checked what is the difference between two, because I had been having F= ossil > server for a long time not used heavily...=E2=98=BA >=20 > Kenji it should be as simple as changing: case 0x80: *k =3D KBD_DOWN; break; /* within Unicode private-use space */ into:=20 /* within Unicode private-use space */ case 0xf800: *k =3D KBD_DOWN; break; in 'plan9_translate_key()' in plan9.c... andrey From tom@insolvencyhelp.org Tue Jun 15 07:13:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 12:56:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id deedb610_bdb6_11d8_9649_00304828b574_2541; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81867345CC4 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id deb14e5a_bdb6_11d8_8b18_00304828b574_2537; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6CA9C7580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2537B7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de77914c_bdb6_11d8_844b_00304828b574_2532; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3609D345CC4 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ddcab828_bdb6_11d8_93e9_00304828b574_2528; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:56:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 987CF19EF7 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:56:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B339D19E4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06376-02-23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B76619E40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aluminum.miller.net (h0004e267c13e.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.91.163.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004061403563001400c2rp2e>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 03:56:30 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:14:01 -0400 From: "Thomas Miller" Organization: InsolvencyHelp.Org To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port, NetBSD, sched_yield Message-ID: <40CD17F9.nailHSM1Y8SC9@insolvencyhelp.org> References: <40CD0C63.nailE951M55XK@insolvencyhelp.org> <20040614031929.GA26824@mero.morphisms.net> In-Reply-To: <20040614031929.GA26824@mero.morphisms.net> User-Agent: nail 10.7 3/19/04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Thomas Miller , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu William Josephson wrote: > > Do a NetBSD port :-) Significantly beyond my present skill level. > I don't think anyone has bothered > to do a NetBSD port since I stopped using NetBSD and that > was several years ago when the Plan 9 port stuff was in > a different (and much less complete) state. Sched_yield > is in libpthread under NetBSD, but I very much doubt that > just linking against is sufficient; it may make the link > error go away, however. If I have time later in the week > I can look into doing a port, Please don't spend a lot of time just for me. I'm merely having some fun, there's no real need. Nice of you to offer, though! :-) > but I don't have a NetBSD > box here physically, so I can't test anything that uses > X11. I wish I had an extra one to lend to you. :-) But I only have one Intel machine, some older macs, and an IBM z50 (mips). I use the Intel machine every day. If you don't mind my asking, what do you do at Harvard? Thanks again for your reply. 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But the question still remains how to start 'amail'. I can imagine to change the plumbing rule for faces to start 'amail'. Isn't it nicer to have all things together in one instance of acme? I find it useful to Del the mbox window now and get it back later by one single click. It wasn't hard to change /sys/src/cmd/acme/rows.c to let acme display different main tag line (although I don't have deeper understanding ;). I think this is a very ugly hack. Isn't there a way to change the tag line on run time via some /mnt/acme/... ctl file? I think it is 'cause running external commands are shown there. But I fail to find this file because of the per-process namespace (I think). > brought to you courtesy of the tips section of the LANL Plan 9 page > (lots of useful tidbits there): > > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/lanlp9/tips.html Thanks, I saved a text version in my local hints file. :-) From davide+receptionist@cs.cmu.edu Tue Jun 15 07:13:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 18:19:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea403e02_bde3_11d8_92a9_00304828b574_31918; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF19C345682 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea092afc_bde3_11d8_86eb_00304828b574_31914; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CC1357580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855DA7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9d0ec14_bde3_11d8_832b_00304828b574_31908; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BE0345682 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9247754_bde3_11d8_8ea0_00304828b574_31905; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CFCC919C7C for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:19:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5193A19E5D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22327-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A6A819C7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BZnSg-0004lv-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:09:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:08:16 GMT From: David Eckhardt Message-ID: Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Can anybody suggest a couple of "modern" motherboard/processor/Ethernet combinations which work well (and, if necessary, a corresponding kernel-source date)? It's probably time to build an auth/file server from parts for home. I'm interested in exploring the plausibility of a mini-ITX system, though I'd want a case which would let me do the removable-IDE-drive thing for backups. Dave Eckhardt From jenglish@myself.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 18:19:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f86efc8e_bde3_11d8_8eee_00304828b574_31952; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBFB345681 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f839af8e_bde3_11d8_81e1_00304828b574_31949; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9CD227580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C2E7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7ff66da_bde3_11d8_89aa_00304828b574_31946; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBDE345681 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f7502850_bde3_11d8_904e_00304828b574_31943; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:19:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99E0319F07 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:19:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B44A19E1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08938-03-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E57A719DE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BZnSf-0004lj-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:09:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:07:51 GMT From: Jeremy English Message-ID: <10ck9lbpqddsk97@corp.supernews.com> Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Partition question X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, This is my second time installing plan 9 and I ran into something strange. I have my hard drive divide into two partitions both of them fat32. When I did the install I delete the second partition, reformatted it and continued with the install. When I rebooted the BPB of my first partition had been changed. Well the OEM name and the BPB_FATSz32 had been changed. It looked like the BPB had been changed to FAT12. I was able to correct the value of fat size and all of the data was still on the first partition. So, it looks like the install just changed that part of the disk and left the rest alone. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Jeremy Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Keywords: Cc: -- Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK D.H.Davis@bath.ac.uk From brucee@chunder.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 18:32:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c01a37e8_bde5_11d8_8550_00304828b574_10040; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103633456B7 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfcfa098_bde5_11d8_9649_00304828b574_10037; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EFF797580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A532E7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf9412ee_bde5_11d8_963e_00304828b574_10034; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916233456B7 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bed03176_bde5_11d8_81ed_00304828b574_10031; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:32:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 606D61A03C for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C92C719A97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27117-01-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 5B5B219A8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 05:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19479 invoked by uid 89); 14 Jun 2004 09:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 09:04:17 -0000 Message-ID: <40CD716B.1030607@chunder.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:35:39 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu jmk can, and does it well. sorry jim. the dual athlon. but that's two yearrs old advice. brucee David Eckhardt wrote: > Can anybody suggest a couple of "modern" motherboard/processor/Ethernet > combinations which work well (and, if necessary, a corresponding > kernel-source date)? It's probably time to build an auth/file server > from parts for home. I'm interested in exploring the plausibility of > a mini-ITX system, though I'd want a case which would let me do the > removable-IDE-drive thing for backups. > > Dave Eckhardt From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jun 15 07:13:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 19:07:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f2eab4a_bdea_11d8_8a92_00304828b574_12054; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728DD3446E5 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9efac2ee_bdea_11d8_8f8a_00304828b574_12051; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5F9937580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177497580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ec1ef82_bdea_11d8_9e87_00304828b574_12048; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B05A3446E5 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e16934e_bdea_11d8_9fdf_00304828b574_12045; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:07:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6245119E68 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:07:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CC38319DCE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14619-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDA9319DC3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <951f24b7053197c114c91847a3df7413@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:08:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Can anybody suggest a couple of "modern" motherboard/processor/Ethernet > combinations which work well (and, if necessary, a corresponding > kernel-source date)? I'm using BIOSTAR's P4TSV + Pen4 2.8GHz + 1GB memory for CPU server. It has onboard rtl8139 ether chip. I haven't check its graphic chip (865G) though. Kenji From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 19:18:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e3a8abe_bdec_11d8_9c75_00304828b574_21066; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5ADF3456F6 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e07da7e_bdec_11d8_9e39_00304828b574_21063; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A79007580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CCB47580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3dc669cc_bdec_11d8_8865_00304828b574_21060; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6CD3456F6 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3cc5de5e_bdec_11d8_8d0b_00304828b574_21057; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 19:18:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9973F19EEB for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:18:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DCFF19DE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14646-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F360D19DCF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 06:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BZoOj-0005Sl-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:09:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:05:23 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Richard C Bilson wrote: > Well, I had to comment out some stuff that doesn't work and rename a > few symbols, but in large part it works. I believe Bengt already > described most of these problems. I'm typing this in acme right now. > it has to be added that i only got things to compile. i can not get the graphical programs (sam, acme, 9term) to work. the window appears, but there is no content. a working acme is much better result than i managed. congratulations. bengt From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Tue Jun 15 07:13:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 20:31:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5a9c79d8_bdf6_11d8_8edc_00304828b574_20828; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C21344794 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 59bd3782_bdf6_11d8_8dcb_00304828b574_20808; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D9C867580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89A777580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 595284dc_bdf6_11d8_9439_00304828b574_20802; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFE3344794 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5821d860_bdf6_11d8_9d64_00304828b574_20753; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:31:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8DE519F17 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:31:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F05C919EEB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17415-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ED97619EDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5EBUpxj009122 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:30:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EBUodV025032 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:30:50 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5EBUoJ13665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:30:50 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406141130.i5EBUoJ13665@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:05:23 +0000." References: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:30:50 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Bengt wrote: > Richard C Bilson wrote: > > > Well, I had to comment out some stuff that doesn't work and rename a > > few symbols, but in large part it works. I believe Bengt already > > described most of these problems. I'm typing this in acme right now. > > > > it has to be added that i only got things to compile. i can not get the > graphical programs (sam, acme, 9term) to work. the window appears, but > there is no content. a working acme is much better result than i > managed. congratulations. Just to make sure you do not have the same problem as I had: check which *yield* symbols are present in your non-working binary, do something like nm o.acme |grep yield If you have both p9yield and yield you likely have the same problem. in the same way, try (typing path from memory) nm $PLAN9/src/libthread/fdwait.o | grep yield that is where my problem originated. Fix it by recompiling fdwait.c such that the yield() call in that file gets #define'ed to p9yield, so there is no reference any more to the sunos system library yield routine. My fix was: ; cvs diff fdwait.c Index: fdwait.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/src/libthread/fdwait.c,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -r1.8 fdwait.c 1c1 < #define NOPLAN9DEFINES --- > //#define NOPLAN9DEFINES This is to make sure that the following workaround to deal with the yield name clash has the right effect. Index: thread.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/include/thread.h,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -r1.9 thread.h 124c124,128 < int yield(void); --- > int p9yield(void); > #ifndef NOPLAN9DEFINES > #define yield p9yield > #endif > Looking at it now, I guess a different (better?!?) solution might be to simply remove the #ifndef NOPLAN9DEFINES and #endif lines from around above #define in thread.h . Axel. From a@9srv.net Tue Jun 15 07:13:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 20:44:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33472606_bdf8_11d8_8962_00304828b574_30908; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E05F3447E3 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33124698_bdf8_11d8_82ac_00304828b574_30904; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4EA637580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095FF7580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32dd8e6c_bdf8_11d8_8654_00304828b574_30901; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C8E23447E3 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3231d70c_bdf8_11d8_8347_00304828b574_30898; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:44:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D674C19F68 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:44:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B32B319EEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27169-02-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 9srv.net (h-66-134-100-77.mclnva23.covad.net [66.134.100.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3813419F0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:41:21 -0400 From: a@9srv.net To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Acme in plan9ports: "can't happen" X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i ran an Edit command on a window from within that window. the command worked fine, but Acme opened an output window with an error. The command i ran was Edit 0,$ s/^ / /g and the resulting error was elogapply: can't happen 0 8813 8797 normal operation seems to have been unimpacted. just thought i'd pass that along. From vthacker@0xfe.org Tue Jun 15 07:13:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 20:47:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9d4cea4_bdf8_11d8_8019_00304828b574_988; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB6F344B41 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9a46eee_bdf8_11d8_8269_00304828b574_985; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2ECCE7580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D92687580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a963ce66_bdf8_11d8_8eae_00304828b574_982; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED982344B41 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8b8d448_bdf8_11d8_86fe_00304828b574_979; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:47:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3047419F3F for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:47:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9731619E6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21627-02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.0xfe.org (pc-211-8-214-187.ctktv.ne.jp [211.8.214.187]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A969A19E61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vthacker by ns.0xfe.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BZpyo-0005uT-DW for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:50:22 +0900 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:50:22 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20040614115022.GA21928@0xfe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i From: Vester Thacker X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is there an easy way to remove Grub after Plan 9 install? I'd rather not use Grub. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cheers, Vester Thacker From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jun 15 07:13:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 22:58:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f642cca2_be0a_11d8_981d_00304828b574_24932; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524AD344168 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5fc466a_be0a_11d8_9eac_00304828b574_24929; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C173B75810D; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A318B7580FD for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e27f62f2_be0a_11d8_9acd_00304828b574_24607; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA1D344B8E for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:39:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49d8ed72_be08_11d8_94d2_00304828b574_4016; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:39:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6277719FC9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:39:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3398719F21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07184-01-76 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D08BC19F20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i5EDdH603214 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:39:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406141339.i5EDdH603214@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: Axel Belinfante > > in the same way, try (typing path from memory) > > nm $PLAN9/src/libthread/fdwait.o | grep yield What's interesting is that, on my working system, I get [40] | 0| 0|NOTY |GLOB |0 |UNDEF |yield which, presumably, is *not* the way it's supposed to be (i.e., I ought to be seeing "p9yield" instead). From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Tue Jun 15 07:13:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 22:58:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f893ae86_be0a_11d8_91b7_00304828b574_24950; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047B03441EB for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f82e00ea_be0a_11d8_93d6_00304828b574_24939; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D5FA758107; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F15675812D for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed97ecae_be0a_11d8_829c_00304828b574_24826; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:58:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDFF344324 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:52:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f5a2834_be0a_11d8_9fa9_00304828b574_18122; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:52:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0247A19F42 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:52:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B535A19F21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12724-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 29FDF19E1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5EDqPxj016546 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:52:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5EDqOdV027443 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:52:25 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5EDqPn15571 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:52:25 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406141352.i5EDqPn15571@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 14 Jun 2004 09:39:17 -0400." <200406141339.i5EDdH603214@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> References: <200406141339.i5EDdH603214@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:52:24 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > in the same way, try (typing path from memory) > > > > nm $PLAN9/src/libthread/fdwait.o | grep yield > > What's interesting is that, on my working system, I get > > [40] | 0| 0|NOTY |GLOB |0 |UNDEF |yield > > which, presumably, is *not* the way it's supposed to be (i.e., > I ought to be seeing "p9yield" instead). Hmmm... is there a p9yield in the linked (e.g.acme) executable? maybe your libthread yield is also unaffected (not renamed to p9yield)? Axel. From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jun 15 07:13:11 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 23:13:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4b7e7da_be0c_11d8_8cc2_00304828b574_4451; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7CA344A33 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f481cb3c_be0c_11d8_8d3d_00304828b574_4441; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BADC87580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6F97580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4430fdc_be0c_11d8_9aac_00304828b574_4411; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC99344A38 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f397c014_be0c_11d8_9205_00304828b574_4340; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:13:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2F6519FA2 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:12:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AE3D219A7B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04776-03-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F85B199BE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i5EEChJ06425 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406141412.i5EEChJ06425@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: Axel Belinfante > > Hmmm... is there a p9yield in the linked (e.g.acme) executable? > maybe your libthread yield is also unaffected (not renamed to p9yield)? Upon further inspection this does indeed seem to be the case. Aside from my previously-posted change to mainstacksize, I'm using a virgin libthread. I can't explain why it works for me and not for others, but I'm happy to provide whatever assistance I can off-list to anyone trying to get it working. From russcox@gmail.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 14 23:50:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 279c8f52_be12_11d8_81d8_00304828b574_2338; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34FF345D86 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2768f714_be12_11d8_9342_00304828b574_2335; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 98FB87580FA; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF837580F9 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 272a0b26_be12_11d8_8e76_00304828b574_2329; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519D4345D86 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2674651e_be12_11d8_9a2c_00304828b574_2323; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:50:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8B16019F31 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:50:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D32D119BB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21255-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C25D019B8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so39626rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.47 with SMTP id p47mr14643rnb; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:49:58 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <20040614115022.GA21928@0xfe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040614115022.GA21928@0xfe.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there an easy way to remove Grub after Plan 9 install? > I'd rather not use Grub. Any help is greatly appreciated. disk/mbr -m /386/mbr /dev/sdC0/data will install the Plan 9 mbr. From boyd@insultant.net Tue Jun 15 07:13:12 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 01:44:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0c9d3db8_be22_11d8_9ec5_00304828b574_9067; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:44:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57271344395 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:44:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0c64be20_be22_11d8_992e_00304828b574_9060; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:44:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F1E3B7580FA; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:44:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD840758105 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:44:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0a3769ae_be22_11d8_9ff2_00304828b574_8732; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:44:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ACB3449B7 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:34:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab27093e_be20_11d8_8211_00304828b574_30776; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 01:34:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC4E419F70 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:34:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91F1519E04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28471-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3460719CE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.49]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 470C4671B6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <029c01c4522d$10c15c50$b6587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040614115022.GA21928@0xfe.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:31:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there an easy way to remove Grub after Plan 9 install? BFI iirc. > I'd rather not use Grub. Any help is greatly appreciated. at one point i had it on coma and it was next to impossible to blow away, so desperate mesures were resorted to: sony vaio disk image install cd's. that killed it. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 03:07:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac2fa5ea_be2d_11d8_9c74_00304828b574_17425; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC31344342 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id abfe7bdc_be2d_11d8_9388_00304828b574_17421; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 701697580FA; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:17 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 271A97580F9 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id abbd833e_be2d_11d8_8c3b_00304828b574_17416; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4B0344342 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab121dfa_be2d_11d8_9d54_00304828b574_17412; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:07:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC85119FCA for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:07:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD3DF19F31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28578-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9CA0619E5B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4ac50216a67b955f1225ad1a5a895989@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:06:47 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? In-Reply-To: <40CD716B.1030607@chunder.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu We've only bought 2 motherboards in the recent past, i.e. they're still available. The first is a Biostar P4VTB. It has on-board VIA Rhine ethernet and serial-ATA chips. There had problems with it at first, it would lock-up randomly into a state that even a non-maskable interrupt couldn't disturb; it was traced to a chip-errata in the P4 which a BIOS update cured. As far as I know it works fine now. There are probably a dozen other motherboards using the same components from different manufacturers. The second is probably not what you're looking for, a Tyan S2882 dual-Opteron system. I haven't had any problems with it so far. Ron Minnich can probably advise on the good/bad points of what's available in the mini-ITX format. --jim From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jun 15 07:13:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 03:43:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac81a0de_be32_11d8_98a5_00304828b574_12999; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869F33459A2 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac482980_be32_11d8_8b71_00304828b574_12991; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6773F7580FA; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D0E7580F9 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac0ada30_be32_11d8_8e93_00304828b574_12959; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318A33459A2 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab5b638e_be32_11d8_9555_00304828b574_12888; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 03:43:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 613E619F32 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:43:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 12EBE19DF0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14143-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9AE5719DE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8cf99bbbd665e830aca684979585510a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:42:37 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <4ac50216a67b955f1225ad1a5a895989@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The second is probably not what you're looking for, a Tyan S2882 dual-Opteron system. > I haven't had any problems with it so far. You're running the Opteron in 32-bit mode, right? I can (temporarily) lay my hands on a couple of Sun V20z Opteron systems and a few HP DL145 boxes, but using them in legacy mode doesn't sound like fun. andrey ps: they all have broadcom gige cards in them :( From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 04:15:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ab123ae_be37_11d8_8fee_00304828b574_8663; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BEE5344717 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 29f3a798_be37_11d8_9ef1_00304828b574_8651; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E7CA27580FA; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63F07580F9 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28f07b46_be37_11d8_94ad_00304828b574_8604; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE711344F3E for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:08:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4089a882_be36_11d8_9071_00304828b574_1848; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:08:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A705B19FAB for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B58CD19EFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20826-02-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5793419E5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i5EJ8Ll01370 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:08:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406141908.i5EJ8Ll01370@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Axel finally jogged my memory far enough back that I remembered hacking around the yield problem; when I did the diff I did it on "src", forgetting that that misses "include". Index: u.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/include/u.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -r1.4 u.h 13c13 < #define __EXTENSIONS__ 1 /* SunOS */ --- > // #define __EXTENSIONS__ 1 /* SunOS */ 48,50c48,50 < # undef _NEEDUSHORT < # undef _NEEDUINT < # undef _NEEDULONG --- > //# undef _NEEDUSHORT > //# undef _NEEDUINT > //# undef _NEEDULONG I don't know if there's a good reason for requiring __EXTENSIONS__ to be defined, but it didn't break anything that I can see and it made the yield problem go away. From forsyth@terzarima.net Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 04:24:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7eb4fae2_be38_11d8_977e_00304828b574_18501; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:24:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A9B344320 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:24:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e82b294_be38_11d8_9ce7_00304828b574_18498; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:24:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 59C3B7580FE; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:24:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EF5758103 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:24:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c86f194_be38_11d8_8737_00304828b574_18470; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:24:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1805344320 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 403fcc02_be37_11d8_8840_00304828b574_8855; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:15:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B304319FB3 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:15:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB41A19D93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20826-02-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49FC119B18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <84f33320b4950a42e87f922516122e0f@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? From: Charles Forsyth Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 20:14:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200406141908.i5EJ8Ll01370@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu __EXTENSIONS__ is possibly needed if you use unistd.h and want the i/o calls to be 64 bit. that's seems to be the easiest way to get the right combination with Solaris 2.6. see /usr/include/unistd.h for an example of how not to do it. specifically, on some systems including that version of Solaris the `feature' macro definitions are feature disablers more than feature enablers. From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 04:29:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 217c0018_be39_11d8_8d6a_00304828b574_23961; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85165344306 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 211d76c4_be39_11d8_8ed9_00304828b574_23958; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 27E9B7580F9; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB117758116 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1dc97da6_be39_11d8_9f07_00304828b574_23864; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3844634498E for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:27:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8c731fc_be38_11d8_9a04_00304828b574_21867; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:27:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6E19219FAD for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:27:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B6A719F1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04264-01-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F221419DDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJRQCp026711 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:27:26 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJRQ3V010690 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:27:26 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJRPwO030270 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:27:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:27:25 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? In-Reply-To: <8cf99bbbd665e830aca684979585510a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu warning on the broadcom tg3 part: I just fixed a problem here on an Arima HDAMA by turning OFF checksum offloading. ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 04:29:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 217c4df2_be39_11d8_89f7_00304828b574_23962; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BC9344290 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20f53dda_be39_11d8_83a1_00304828b574_23955; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2071D758107; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A6B758112 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1c1b8738_be39_11d8_80fe_00304828b574_23716; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D38344290 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:26:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b6c89f1a_be38_11d8_97d1_00304828b574_20575; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:26:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 34D5019F72 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DD5419E5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04264-01-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC3F319DDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay2.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJPwCp026274 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:25:58 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay2.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJPvVU000619 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:25:58 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJPvwO030182 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:25:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:25:57 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? In-Reply-To: <4ac50216a67b955f1225ad1a5a895989@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > Ron Minnich can probably advise on the good/bad points of what's > available in the mini-ITX format. yeah, there's not much good if you want speed. I still like the ituner m100 because of the front-removable CF card. However those cards are slow. The travela is almost as nice s the ituner and you can put a hard drive in it. It is about $400. We should really see if we can use the Hauppage MVP, which is a PPC box for $99. We will need a current 4e port to PPC, however. ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 04:29:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2231f9c2_be39_11d8_94fe_00304828b574_23980; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30B43443DF for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21f0d21c_be39_11d8_8b68_00304828b574_23974; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E7C8375810C; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F51D7580FF for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1cb18184_be39_11d8_8eee_00304828b574_23789; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:29:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1933443DF for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:27:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d59740fe_be38_11d8_8004_00304828b574_21555; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:27:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 337B819F8E for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:27:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EC3219F28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14143-01-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5057619F1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJQsCp026526 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:26:55 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJQs24007684 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:26:54 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5EJQswO030236 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:26:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 13:26:54 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? In-Reply-To: <8cf99bbbd665e830aca684979585510a@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > You're running the Opteron in 32-bit mode, right? I can (temporarily) > lay my hands on a couple of Sun V20z Opteron systems and a few HP DL145 > boxes, but using them in legacy mode doesn't sound like fun. for future, try to get Tyan boards with the eepro. Coming soon. ron From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 04:37:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45ae6b1e_be3a_11d8_90b9_00304828b574_31000; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10470344459 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 457d1852_be3a_11d8_94f6_00304828b574_30997; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E6AC27580FA; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7BA7580F9 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 453abd86_be3a_11d8_8c38_00304828b574_30994; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE52344459 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 448d9c32_be3a_11d8_8d3c_00304828b574_30990; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:37:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E399819F4B for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:37:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1CBA19B4E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04694-01-59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A72219B1B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i5EJb9G03652 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:37:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406141937.i5EJb9G03652@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: Charles Forsyth > > __EXTENSIONS__ is possibly needed if you use unistd.h and want the i/o calls to be 64 bit. > that's seems to be the easiest way to get the right combination > with Solaris 2.6. see /usr/include/unistd.h for an example of how not to do it. Well, scanning through the 2.8 (5.8? 8?) version of unistd.h, it seems like they fixed this. Perhaps I'm just being optimistic, however. > specifically, on some systems including that version of Solaris the `feature' macro definitions > are feature disablers more than feature enablers. They are certainly productivity disablers. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 04:58:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2aa6b3c8_be3d_11d8_9ab9_00304828b574_15496; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F28344F77 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a7353ca_be3d_11d8_92ac_00304828b574_15465; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 14E567580FA; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BA77580F9 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a37da52_be3d_11d8_9d5e_00304828b574_15441; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5451344F78 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2980be94_be3d_11d8_9f00_00304828b574_15358; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 04:58:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4FD181A00A for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:58:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD52619B91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:57:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29409-05-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D18819B45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0fc2241c2b25c99ada1b1bf57e3fefbc@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:57:46 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon Jun 14 15:27:16 EDT 2004, rminnich@lanl.gov wrote: > On Mon, 14 Jun 2004, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > > You're running the Opteron in 32-bit mode, right? I can (temporarily) > > lay my hands on a couple of Sun V20z Opteron systems and a few HP DL145 > > boxes, but using them in legacy mode doesn't sound like fun. > > for future, try to get Tyan boards with the eepro. Coming soon. > > ron As well as the 2 tg3 GbE interfaces, the S2882 has a 10/100 eepro on it (Intel 82557 in our world). Interestingly, they decided to add that and disable the AMD 10/100 contained in the south bridge. There is also a cheaper Tyan board (S2875) that has an Intel GbE on-board rather than the 2 Broadcom 5704s (tg3). Yes, running in 32-bit mode, 2 CPUs: ella% pwd /usr/jmk/9/pc ethel% mk clean>/dev/null ella% time mk>/dev/null 2.29u 1.61s 6.52r mk ella% cat '#P'/cputype Opteron 1791 ella% while on the 2 CPU + hyperthreading P4: ethel% pwd /usr/jmk/9/pc ethel% mk clean>/dev/null ethel% time mk>/dev/null 5.00u 6.02s 7.11r mk ethel% cat '#P/cputype' P4 2197 ethel% The P4 is on a GbE link to the fileserver, the Opteron is 100Mbs. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 05:01:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f2081fc_be3d_11d8_8a12_00304828b574_18255; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E81345106 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9eeffaaa_be3d_11d8_9eaa_00304828b574_18252; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 79C037580FB; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C757580FA for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9eb3017c_be3d_11d8_9f5f_00304828b574_18249; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4313D345106 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e02a994_be3d_11d8_8600_00304828b574_18245; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 05:01:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F70B19FCA for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:01:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CD2C19B91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08523-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18E5919B53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0188112c92bc77ebc58ce0d1baec65a6@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 16:00:59 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Recommended motherboards? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon Jun 14 15:27:48 EDT 2004, rminnich@lanl.gov wrote: > warning on the broadcom tg3 part: I just fixed a problem here on an Arima > HDAMA by turning OFF checksum offloading. > > ron The Tigon 2 (etherga620.c) had this problem with some versions of the firmware too, if I remember correctly. Anyone have programmer's manual for the tg3? From mattjpc@gmail.com Tue Jun 15 07:13:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 15 06:43:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e181a8e2_be4b_11d8_8278_00304828b574_10648; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52A73459A8 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e14fa0cc_be4b_11d8_9cce_00304828b574_10645; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C505B7580FA; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAEE7580F9 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e10d02d0_be4b_11d8_843c_00304828b574_10642; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B7A3459A9 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e05b360e_be4b_11d8_8ff6_00304828b574_10633; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 06:43:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 062F81A106 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9D2319F16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02859-02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id A695219FD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 14 Jun 2004 17:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO gmail.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@69.110.248.132 with plain) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2004 21:30:00 -0000 Message-ID: <40CE18CC.8070506@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 14:29:48 -0700 From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 References: <20040614115022.GA21928@0xfe.org> In-Reply-To: <20040614115022.GA21928@0xfe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Vester Thacker wrote: > Is there an easy way to remove Grub after Plan 9 install? > I'd rather not use Grub. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > Cheers, > > Vester Thacker i use Slackware 8 to install lilo for multiboot if that's your need. it works very well. 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In a rio terminal window, if I run upas/fs -f/pop/my.host with one host I get asked for a username and password, then all the right stuff seems to appear in /mail/box and I can run nedmail from the same terminal window. With the second host, however, upas/fs says: upas/fs pop3: server certificate [ . . . ] not recognized I looked at the man pages for upasfs and factotum and also the wiki, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the server certificate to be recognized. Clues, please! Thanks!! 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Brantley Coile From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jun 16 08:46:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 05:20:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 664c4c7c_bf09_11d8_8de5_00304828b574_27987; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE2A345164 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 661761ec_bf09_11d8_825c_00304828b574_27984; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7047F7580FB; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A727580FA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65d525e8_bf09_11d8_8dd4_00304828b574_27947; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168C8345164 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6511556e_bf09_11d8_83f6_00304828b574_27849; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:20:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E24919FE7 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:20:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A74C019A6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23703-01-85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2975319B72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.251.49]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E528D673A7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:19:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <06ed01c45315$de4bba60$b6587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] RS232 multiport pci cards Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:17:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What's the favorite flavor for rs-232 multiport cards of plan9 users? > I'm going to put a console server up. make sure it acts like a dz-11. some of those damn cards are interrupt per char. i may mean dz-kmc. but, as van halen said: Can't Get This Stuff No More From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 16 08:46:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 06:46:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 723c6e34_bf15_11d8_9019_00304828b574_5345; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 918C634443B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 720a2c12_bf15_11d8_8b5a_00304828b574_5342; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3FBE77580F9; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B4D75810B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 707fcdb6_bf15_11d8_93ea_00304828b574_5339; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B111534448B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 67d7c95c_bf15_11d8_9e77_00304828b574_4848; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:46:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC6E81A0D7 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:45:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4B7719F51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25891-01-65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E538119E0A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 17:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] RS232 multiport pci cards From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:45:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm using the Perle PCI-Fast4 card that contains 4 ordinary serial ports. /sys/src/9/pc/uartpci.c drives all the PCI-Fast cards and there are 8- and 16-port versions, though they use stranger cabling (the PCI-Fast cards all use proprietary cables as I recall). 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From scriptfu@bellsouth.net Wed Jun 16 17:40:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 12:34:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1a367a46_bf46_11d8_88f6_00304828b574_22291; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F9F3459CC for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26e98286_bf43_11d8_9014_00304828b574_5275; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3A0AC7580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15647580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 26967b18_bf43_11d8_9e9d_00304828b574_5272; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FDD3459CD for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 25dca26a_bf43_11d8_9360_00304828b574_5266; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0966519FF6 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:13:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9375219D0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07156-02-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.73]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20AD119AAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:13:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bellsouth.net ([205.152.59.159]) by imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with SMTP id <20040616031314.LYOR8806.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:13:14 -0400 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.12 (webedge20-101-197-20030912) X-Originating-IP: [68.211.102.239] From: fu Organization: fu-labs To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:13:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040616031314.LYOR8806.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Don`t discount Grub, it is very strong and plan9 friendly, It installs to the MBR, fdisk on linux has an option to clear it , a windows fdisk will erase it with fdisk /mbr , or you can dd 512 out of /dev/zero to the MBR. For GRUB all you need is to define the root partition for 9 In the grub shell try: root (hd0,0) /*or what ever your 9 part is */ rootnoverify chainloader +1 boot > > From: Matt Pidd-Cheshire > Date: 2004/06/14 Mon PM 05:29:48 EDT > To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> > Subject: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 > > Vester Thacker wrote: > > > Is there an easy way to remove Grub after Plan 9 install? > > I'd rather not use Grub. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Vester Thacker > > i use Slackware 8 to install lilo for multiboot if that's > your need. it works very well. > > From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jun 16 17:40:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 12:50:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 513b9632_bf48_11d8_838e_00304828b574_6715; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:50:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF013459EA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:19:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 06e4c396_bf44_11d8_976e_00304828b574_10319; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:19:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 18DA47580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:19:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C586D7580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:19:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 06ac1ef6_bf44_11d8_90f1_00304828b574_10316; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:19:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35DC83459EA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:19:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 059828d4_bf44_11d8_9bdf_00304828b574_10313; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:19:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF3511A0C1 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:19:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AFD4719FD5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:19:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09481-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48B1D19E62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4fdc2478cc59c8dce9033447b07eeeec@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:20:49 +0900 In-Reply-To: <20040616031314.LYOR8806.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Don`t discount Grub, I think developper just don't have time to do it. If someone wants to use grub, s/he can do it, I suppose. Kenji From russcox@gmail.com Wed Jun 16 17:40:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 12:50:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 55abdcea_bf48_11d8_8673_00304828b574_6773; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:50:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD7E345A08 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5106665e_bf45_11d8_98a8_00304828b574_17719; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E11897580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BE97580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50c21274_bf45_11d8_89a2_00304828b574_17689; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A06345A09 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 500635d6_bf45_11d8_8f5f_00304828b574_17576; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:29:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA3B21A0CE for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:28:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97B3319C08 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09481-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 6B14119BE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so144561rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.77 with SMTP id d77mr52542rnf; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 23:28:27 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 In-Reply-To: <20040616031314.LYOR8806.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040616031314.LYOR8806.imf25aec.mail.bellsouth.net@mail.bellsouth.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Grub's great. I use it every day. But if all you run on your machine is Plan 9, you have no need for it. Russ From knapjack@gmail.com Wed Jun 16 17:40:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 13:24:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 061d942a_bf4d_11d8_8d4b_00304828b574_5011; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993C73452A5 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 05b01ba2_bf4d_11d8_8189_00304828b574_4989; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 403E07580FE; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E2E7580FB for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 054e3608_bf4d_11d8_804e_00304828b574_4973; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA643452BB for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 03540094_bf4d_11d8_9639_00304828b574_4702; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:24:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF5CC1A173 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:24:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E37361A0F1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19026-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CD0201A0E3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so147047rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.49 with SMTP id p49mr51250rnb; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204061521236e979fc3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:23:48 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Inferno question: dmwm & dmview? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Sorry for the spam here, but the Inferno mailing lists have gone inert. Anyone know if you need a signer to get dmwm & dmview working? All I get is a blank dmview window when I follow the man pages. Thanks, -Jack From 9nut@9netics.com Wed Jun 16 17:40:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 13:30:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d60dd852_bf4d_11d8_9928_00304828b574_9219; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86311345324 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5a8af22_bf4d_11d8_9fa5_00304828b574_9143; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6CC167580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CA87580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d56c6d1e_bf4d_11d8_9ecc_00304828b574_9104; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF486345324 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d48e312a_bf4d_11d8_91d9_00304828b574_9101; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:30:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 112571A167 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:29:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 164591A134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14419-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E2FC1A0FE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <84f5cde727c85591db7049828fdae03f@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:34:19 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I think i did a 'mkdir -p -m 777 xxx' , before either flag was supported and thus created a -p and a -m directory. I finally removed them by cd'ing to those dirs and doing a 'rm .'; What's the quoting rule to get that type of name past the flags processing in rm (or anything else that has flags)? From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Wed Jun 16 17:40:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 13:33:50 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d73b776_bf4e_11d8_9dc5_00304828b574_12275; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E979A345358 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d34de66_bf4e_11d8_8cb6_00304828b574_12272; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D5E797580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:49 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1817580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5cfbacc2_bf4e_11d8_9a6e_00304828b574_12269; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C9A345358 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c430910_bf4e_11d8_87ce_00304828b574_12266; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 074D41A16E for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:33:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3004E1A0FE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14419-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AD86D1A0F1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6533041eb906fcba417243c03b15e098@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: Re: [9fans] Removing grub after installing Plan 9 From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:34:52 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > But if all you run on your machine is > Plan 9, you have no need for it. Probably, most of 'Plan 9 user' do install it, and touch it for a while like now, durin summer vacation, and forget it soon... =E2=98=BA By the way, Russ are you using Linux not BSDs? Kenji From dbailey27@ameritech.net Wed Jun 16 17:40:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 13:40:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b756964_bf4f_11d8_8230_00304828b574_17930; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC78A3442E2 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5a60dd42_bf4f_11d8_800e_00304828b574_17920; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EA7DA7580FC; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1082E7580FE for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58cde2ae_bf4f_11d8_9861_00304828b574_17895; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C113442E2 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5591bf3e_bf4f_11d8_833f_00304828b574_17848; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:40:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF3A21A176 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:40:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAE241A0F1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12016-02-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.187]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DCEF919FBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ameritech.net) (dbailey27@ameritech.net@69.212.33.1 with plain) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 04:39:55 -0000 Message-ID: <40CFD2A5.8050205@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:55:01 -0400 From: Don Bailey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash References: <84f5cde727c85591db7049828fdae03f@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <84f5cde727c85591db7049828fdae03f@9netics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu rm ./-p Skip Tavakkolian wrote: >I think i did a 'mkdir -p -m 777 xxx' , before either flag was supported >and thus created a -p and a -m directory. I finally removed them by >cd'ing to those dirs and doing a 'rm .'; > >What's the quoting rule to get that type of name past the flags >processing in rm (or anything else that has flags)? > > > > From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 16 17:40:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 13:48:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76f07368_bf50_11d8_85a4_00304828b574_24219; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB7F345A2D for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76bb4198_bf50_11d8_8827_00304828b574_24216; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A9BF37580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613027580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7681f4ba_bf50_11d8_88f1_00304828b574_24213; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67557345A2D for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75cba502_bf50_11d8_8068_00304828b574_24210; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:48:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CC311A196 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:48:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E3A01A145 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12016-02-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1E8A1A144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash From: Geoff Collyer Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:48:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: <84f5cde727c85591db7049828fdae03f@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu There's also the getopt convention, implemented by arg(2): rm -- -m -p From dbailey27@ameritech.net Wed Jun 16 17:40:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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16 Jun 2004 04:56:14 -0000 Message-ID: <40CFD67C.3090900@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:11:24 -0400 From: Don Bailey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu sickening. I leave to party and compose some music, then come back to find gnu9? Geoff Collyer wrote: >There's also the getopt convention, implemented by arg(2): > > rm -- -m -p > > > > From russcox@gmail.com Wed Jun 16 17:40:24 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 13:58:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfc9982e_bf51_11d8_9c10_00304828b574_32452; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:58:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62F6344624 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:58:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf44ff92_bf51_11d8_95df_00304828b574_32445; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:58:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8AD077580FF; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:58:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B487580FE for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:58:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cef2b822_bf51_11d8_9d6c_00304828b574_32440; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:58:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D09344624 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:57:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b42ee4e8_bf51_11d8_80e7_00304828b574_31495; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:57:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A6FAB1A150 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:57:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0FEC11A15C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20806-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.197]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BF6B219E77 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so148568rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.47 with SMTP id p47mr58497rnb; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 21:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 00:57:13 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash In-Reply-To: <84f5cde727c85591db7049828fdae03f@9netics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <84f5cde727c85591db7049828fdae03f@9netics.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think i did a 'mkdir -p -m 777 xxx' , before either flag was supported > and thus created a -p and a -m directory. I finally removed them by > cd'ing to those dirs and doing a 'rm .'; > > What's the quoting rule to get that type of name past the flags > processing in rm (or anything else that has flags)? rm -- -p From forsyth@terzarima.net Wed Jun 16 17:40:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 14:42:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id efdbe2f6_bf57_11d8_9b0a_00304828b574_9065; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14CD934500A for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id efa189bc_bf57_11d8_97bf_00304828b574_9061; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 054FD7580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B77D7580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef5d01f2_bf57_11d8_82af_00304828b574_9055; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC1034500A for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee7cbb10_bf57_11d8_9d6d_00304828b574_9049; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:42:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C33AC19B17 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:42:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51A9619FDF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05783-01-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F0D119A80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:39:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: <84f5cde727c85591db7049828fdae03f@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu -p is one thing i suppose, but -m 777 seems a little pointless. actually, -m probably is fairly pointless all round. as on Unix, on Plan 9 it probably doesn't do what you might think, although Unix and Plan 9 don't do that in different ways. on Unix it applies only to the last component and is subject to umask, and intervening directories get -m $(umask -S),u+wx; on Plan 9 the mode applies to all directories (so -m 555 -p not/there/yet won't work at all) and in each case is subject to masking by the parent directory permissions, so -m 777 produces completely-writable directories only if the old create(..., DMDIR|0777) would have done anyway. now on Plan 9, mkdir -p -m 700 ... does make a difference (starting in a directory with mode 755 say) and will set the mode 700 on each new directory; although that differs from Unix where with my umask 022 i get 755 directories up to the last created, which is 700. of course in all cases, on Plan 9 and Unix, if mkdir doesn't create the directory (eg, intervening ones with -p), it doesn't change the mode, so be sure to do rm -r or rm -r -- first. that's presumably why the Unix one has the definition it's got. it's not that useful but it behaves consistently not-that-usefully with -p regardless whether the directories are created or not. at least i think so; that's what the Unix manual pages and code suggests, supported by experiment on Plan 9 and Unix. all in all, i confess i did wonder when it appeared several months ago why -m was in Plan 9 outside APE. still it's only 80 lines compared with 212 on FreeBSD (but then that includes the BSD copyright and licence, and /* * POSIX 1003.2: * For each dir operand that does not name an existing * directory, effects equivalent to those cased by the * following command shall occcur: * * mkdir -p man 2 $(dirname dir) && * mkdir [-m mode] dir * * We change the user's umask and then restore it, * instead of doing chmod's. */ and /* * The mkdir() and umask() calls both honor only the low * nine bits, so if you try to set a mode including the * sticky, setuid, setgid bits you lose them. Don't do * this unless the user has specifically requested a mode, * as chmod will (obviously) ignore the umask. */ i wonder why i got out of bed this morning. after the above, you'll probably wish i'd stayed there too! From forsyth@terzarima.net Wed Jun 16 17:40:25 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 14:54:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93aaab46_bf59_11d8_8182_00304828b574_18542; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690373453D5 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9373fcae_bf59_11d8_95a6_00304828b574_18508; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 558267580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C2527580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9339e208_bf59_11d8_8969_00304828b574_18502; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10DD83453D5 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92829f26_bf59_11d8_8734_00304828b574_18431; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:54:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A2F01A159 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:54:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F06C71A015 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23220-02-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B28CD1A0A9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 01:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <69f7f328d429c5348e8194ddd17854cb@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Inferno question: dmwm & dmview? From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:51:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204061521236e979fc3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>Sorry for the spam here, but the Inferno mailing lists have gone inert. i've just sent out a message there that did propagate, and there were messages yesterday. at first i thought it might be the greylist confused by gmail.com again, and i needed more server addresses, except that it doesn't seem to be: we've even recorded a list confirmation request sent out to you but no reply to it (so you're not yet on the list). if you think you have confirmed and it has been lost, let me know so i can check that there isn't a general problem with that confirmation system. From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 18:04:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 21028eae_bf74_11d8_9d72_00304828b574_23370; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779B1345B58 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20cd21ce_bf74_11d8_98d2_00304828b574_23360; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5819B7580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A557580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20855c2c_bf74_11d8_9c6a_00304828b574_23330; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F0A345B58 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1fcdad8e_bf74_11d8_8c3d_00304828b574_23259; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 324961A18B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:04:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EE1371A00F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14916-02-30 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3F4221A009 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BaW6Q-0000wa-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:49:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:48:32 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406141908.i5EJ8Ll01370@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Richard C Bilson wrote: ...deleted > I don't know if there's a good reason for requiring __EXTENSIONS__ > to be defined, but it didn't break anything that I can see and > it made the yield problem go away. on my plan9port (plan9-20040517.tar.gz) __EXTENSIONS__ is neccessary to compile plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c . however, i think it is better to defined it just for that file. obvious diff included below. i would like to thank you for the diff to u.h. i also experimented with removing __EXTENSIONS__ to get rid of sun-os yield(). however, since i failed to remove the 3 #undef _NEED* after very little compiled properly. i reinstated __EXTENSIONS__, and after that i slowly got myself totally lost in various attempts to get replace yield() with p9yield(). you saved me. with your change to u.h (and my change to 9term/SunOS.c) everything seems to both compile and run. no changes neccessary to fdwait.c, sched.c nor thread.h. bengt *** /home/eleberg/private/plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c.original Tue Jun 15 08:42:44 2004 --- /home/eleberg/private/plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c Tue Jun 15 08:42:46 2004 *************** *** 1,4 **** --- 1,5 ---- #include + #define __EXTENSIONS__ #include #include #include From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 18:04:34 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f873e8e_bf74_11d8_85ed_00304828b574_23638; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC423345B5B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f502dae_bf74_11d8_8664_00304828b574_23635; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B8F847580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:33 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F14C7580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f15fe5e_bf74_11d8_8405_00304828b574_23632; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75823345B5B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e5fb216_bf74_11d8_9656_00304828b574_23629; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A16041A1B9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:04:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 71D4F1A009 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27500-03-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 235251A00C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BaW6Q-0000wg-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:49:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:48:43 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca>, X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] plan9port 9term X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i have a question about plan9port 9term. is it supposed to have a button-3 menu? the old 9term (from matty farrow) does. bengt From DAGwyn@null.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 18:04:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3dd656aa_bf74_11d8_9b5a_00304828b574_23680; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4C1345B5D for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d9f8e2c_bf74_11d8_9a94_00304828b574_23677; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B8B497580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA317580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3d63cd10_bf74_11d8_8632_00304828b574_23674; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7398E345B5D for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3c43d3bc_bf74_11d8_84a8_00304828b574_23668; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:04:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAAF51A1AA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:04:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7597A1A009 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21948-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0EF311A010 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BaW6Q-0000wm-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:49:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:48:53 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <40CFD67C.3090900@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Don Bailey wrote: > sickening. I leave to party and compose some music, then come > back to find gnu9? Getopt (including the -- convention) was developed at Bell Labs over 20 years ago. If you're not using it, shame on you. From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 18:05:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b74e466_bf74_11d8_98eb_00304828b574_24488; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA36C345B5E for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b3e8830_bf74_11d8_9de8_00304828b574_24485; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 93FFE7580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2F67580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b0290f0_bf74_11d8_8323_00304828b574_24482; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46382345B5E for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a45d604_bf74_11d8_9476_00304828b574_24479; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:05:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 728AB1A1C9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:05:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A2A71A188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14916-02-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E7BDA1A00C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 05:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BaW6Q-0000wU-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:49:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:48:20 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <200406141130.i5EBUoJ13665@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Axel Belinfante wrote: ...deleted > Just to make sure you do not have the same problem as I had: > check which *yield* symbols are present in your non-working binary, i have both p9yield and yield present. ...deleted > Fix it by recompiling fdwait.c such that the yield() call > in that file gets #define'ed to p9yield, so there is no > reference any more to the sunos system library yield routine. will do. ...deleted >>int p9yield(void); >>#ifndef NOPLAN9DEFINES >>#define yield p9yield >>#endif >> > > > Looking at it now, I guess a different (better?!?) solution might be > to simply remove the #ifndef NOPLAN9DEFINES and #endif lines from > around above #define in thread.h . imho the idea of NOPLAN9DEFINES is to make sure that only the original operating systems definitions are present. it would be very confusing to get yield() replaced with p9yield() after having defined NOPLAN9DEFINES. your first idea is better. however, i do not think it is perfect. instead, i wonder why fdwait.c had NOPLAN9DEFINE. if it was neccessary surely something else is now broken when it was removed. and if it was not neccessary, why was it there? bengt From vthacker@0xfe.org Thu Jun 17 17:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 19:08:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 121c1f1e_bf7d_11d8_974a_00304828b574_16762; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECB4134546D for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 11e7ccdc_bf7d_11d8_8382_00304828b574_16759; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CE6E27580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 867287580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 11a7ed74_bf7d_11d8_824e_00304828b574_16722; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A7D34546D for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 10e4db04_bf7d_11d8_81ba_00304828b574_16651; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:08:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6CD691A207 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:08:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B3871A00C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05756-01-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.0xfe.org (pc-211-8-214-187.ctktv.ne.jp [211.8.214.187]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7CFDA19FFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vthacker by ns.0xfe.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BaXNb-000631-06 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:10:51 +0900 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:10:50 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20040616101050.GA23219@0xfe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i From: Vester Thacker X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] USB Floppy Install X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm attempting to install Plan 9 from a USB floppy drive, but I received the following error after the boot prompt: fd0!dos does not contain a FAT file system After reading PLAN9.INI(8) and numberous failed attempts at getting the settings right, I've decided to ask for help. I used rawrite program to copy 9disk.flp to the diskette. But before doing that, I ensured that the floppy was formatted with the FAT file system. I used the format utility that comes with Windows XP. BTW, I've also read http://insultant.net/repo/usbflop.html as a reference. But unfortunately, it didn't help my situation. Does anyone have a working plan9.ini for booting from a USB floppy drive? Thanks in advance. --Vester Thacker From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 19:32:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 885488bc_bf80_11d8_9997_00304828b574_4013; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:32:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AAD344157 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:32:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 87963b82_bf80_11d8_8d20_00304828b574_4003; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:32:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4F8727580FC; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:32:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9A77580FB for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:32:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8716ad5e_bf80_11d8_9581_00304828b574_3999; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:32:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726483453B1 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:31:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 56eb1106_bf80_11d8_96a4_00304828b574_2948; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:31:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E15181A04B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:31:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DDFE71A0AE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11530-02-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail56.messagelabs.com (mail56.messagelabs.com [193.109.254.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 2F2971A04B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 06:31:09 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: steve@snellwilcox.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-56.messagelabs.com!1087381864!9860302 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 8878 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2004 10:31:04 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-5.tower-56.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 10:31:04 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:31:06 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GAXHEr026972 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:33:18 +0100 Message-ID: <6c7ae4f6501f173a063604e5d5080e86@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:31:02 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] skulker X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'am sure others must have done this. A little script that runs as 3AM on sundays and tidies up stuff, ie trimming logfiles, deleting old /mail/grey entries. Maybe even deleting old *.[v86...] files in /sys/src (maybe not as fossil/venti makes this less important). I'am looking for ideas as to what I should tidy up from cron. -Steve From russcox@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 20:35:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 434bca38_bf89_11d8_9d5a_00304828b574_29298; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7433B3454FD for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 431b6e4c_bf89_11d8_932b_00304828b574_29295; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 554E07580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0FA7580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42d903a4_bf89_11d8_9590_00304828b574_29292; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7B83454FD for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 422037d4_bf89_11d8_9c0a_00304828b574_29288; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:35:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 381171A0BC for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:35:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7B4841A030 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02062-03-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0E29819D37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so160975rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.49 with SMTP id p49mr56526rnb; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:35:00 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker In-Reply-To: <6c7ae4f6501f173a063604e5d5080e86@snellwilcox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <6c7ae4f6501f173a063604e5d5080e86@snellwilcox.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > A little script that runs as 3AM on sundays and tidies up stuff, > ie trimming logfiles, deleting old /mail/grey entries. > > Maybe even deleting old *.[v86...] files in /sys/src > (maybe not as fossil/venti makes this less important). > > I'am looking for ideas as to what I should tidy up > from cron. Why bother? You've already spent Venti space on them. On the main Plan 9 file server, we try to be careful about running mk clean when we're done in a directory, so that we don't need a cron job coming in and cleaning up after us. We rotate the log files every January 1, so we have /sys/log/mail.2003, etc. It's actually useful to have the old logs around, and it's not like deleting them would free up space. Russ From russcox@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 20:45:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id acdb4842_bf8a_11d8_987f_00304828b574_5039; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110CD345603 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id acaa4580_bf8a_11d8_81a0_00304828b574_5036; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E74407580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC057580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac68ee0a_bf8a_11d8_82ba_00304828b574_5033; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D2C345603 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id abb1e4f8_bf8a_11d8_9fae_00304828b574_5023; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:45:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BB991A201 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96DC81A188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06556-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 24CD31A0BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so161275rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.77 with SMTP id d77mr58901rnf; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:06 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <40CFD67C.3090900@ameritech.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Getopt (including the -- convention) was developed at > Bell Labs over 20 years ago. If you're not using it, > shame on you. You're preaching to the wrong crowd. Essentially no code here uses getopt. Russ From g.pavelcak@comcast.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 21:47:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46f46a00_bf93_11d8_95a3_00304828b574_28731; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C6534465F for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46bbc51a_bf93_11d8_8a32_00304828b574_28694; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 97BEE7580FF; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D809A758100 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 43f73490_bf93_11d8_8a15_00304828b574_28383; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:47:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C62B345697 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:46:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3174c01c_bf93_11d8_9c04_00304828b574_28016; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:46:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0E281A02F for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 81E911A1A9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10772-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3613D1A1A4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.0.102 (h004005b2f1be.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.62.4.194]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <200406161246100130095tl7e>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:46:10 +0000 Message-ID: <5c4815d4d51d5f3e5104da8783db37fe@comcast.net> From: Greg Pavelcak Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:46:05 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Adding glyphs to troff font X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu How do I, for example, get a top left corner into a document? (Well, other than using troff's line drawing since the example involves a very simple figure) If I put in the unicode, I get ':WARNING: cannot find glyph', etc. I'm guessing that there's some procedure involving the files in /sys/lib/troff/font/devutf and /sys/lib/postscript/^(troff font), but I don't know what it is Thanks, Greg From forsyth@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 22:34:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d5c2eb70_bf99_11d8_9ef5_00304828b574_5806; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF8C3447BF for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d508f35a_bf99_11d8_8b54_00304828b574_5673; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D9A70758104; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 350257580FC for ; 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Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64D541A155 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5b49577a761f6ab1a8820c904299b973@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:32:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-exxdcsyqokuefhbxndbyomptiu" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-exxdcsyqokuefhbxndbyomptiu Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just to avoid damnation, that's because it uses arg(2) which is similar in intent except that it's simpler and the interface doesn't rely on globals, so it can be used to crack argv parameters to internal threads (if you like). --upas-exxdcsyqokuefhbxndbyomptiu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Wed Jun 16 12:51:07 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C39FC1A1DA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96DC81A188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06556-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 24CD31A0BC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so161275rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.77 with SMTP id d77mr58901rnf; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 04:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:45:06 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <40CFD67C.3090900@ameritech.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu > Getopt (including the -- convention) was developed at > Bell Labs over 20 years ago. If you're not using it, > shame on you. You're preaching to the wrong crowd. Essentially no code here uses getopt. Russ --upas-exxdcsyqokuefhbxndbyomptiu-- From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 22:41:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8ee5cba_bf9a_11d8_90c9_00304828b574_13442; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE443447B7 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e8b5d4bc_bf9a_11d8_8a53_00304828b574_13439; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A33477580FB; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58ABA7580FA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e879c45e_bf9a_11d8_8754_00304828b574_13436; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3543447B7 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7b9859a_bf9a_11d8_8d4f_00304828b574_13433; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:41:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10E0D1A1BF for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:41:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 919121A007 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16398-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1ABA319AF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.124]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D56CF672AD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:41:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000b01c453a7$70328760$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <20040616101050.GA23219@0xfe.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] USB Floppy Install Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:39:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Does anyone have a working plan9.ini for booting from a USB floppy > drive? i do. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 22:47:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9551b78_bf9b_11d8_960a_00304828b574_18211; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B00B344819 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9233144_bf9b_11d8_9d0b_00304828b574_18208; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4BBE47580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EF67580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8e0b210_bf9b_11d8_9a1b_00304828b574_18205; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06506344819 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b829cc6c_bf9b_11d8_99a0_00304828b574_18202; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:47:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 324141A15A for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:47:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 06B0519C2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16422-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A2B5F19C0F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.124]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 70CAE672D0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002401c453a8$42101d60$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:45:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > You're preaching to the wrong crowd. yeah, why use -- when ./ will do it? no extra code for ./ unlike -- From rog@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 22:51:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5355f058_bf9c_11d8_8c96_00304828b574_21462; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EA134481B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 53210c76_bf9c_11d8_9a57_00304828b574_21458; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AD4427580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640FA7580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52e653a6_bf9c_11d8_921b_00304828b574_21455; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE9134481B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 523163f6_bf9c_11d8_884b_00304828b574_21451; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:51:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7859F1A023 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:51:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4B7EE19D59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16398-01-85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6553B19C8B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:57:42 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <002401c453a8$42101d60$7c587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > yeah, why use -- when ./ will do it? no extra code for ./ unlike -- ./ won't work with grep, or other commands that take arguments that aren't filenames. also, in a shell script, rm ./$1 isn't correct. -- is standard. From davel@anvil.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 23:02:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8643160_bf9d_11d8_9f54_00304828b574_30370; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8E13454D4 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c832768e_bf9d_11d8_912d_00304828b574_30367; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8D2A67580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F177580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7f1a2f8_bf9d_11d8_80b9_00304828b574_30364; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4899F3454D4 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c73af9a4_bf9d_11d8_960e_00304828b574_30361; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:02:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F8101A235 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D96819BED for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16793-01-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DEF2A19BDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 4D3547148; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:06:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82433713C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:06:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8990D17297 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:01:02 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40D05213.9050309@anvil.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:58:43 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ./ won't work with grep, or other commands that > take arguments that aren't filenames. ... but grep understands \\:-). > also, in a shell script, > > rm ./$1 > > isn't correct. Why not? > -- is standard. So are the above:-). DaveL From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 23:11:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 205d4b58_bf9f_11d8_9a79_00304828b574_6407; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DBC63456EB for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2001a03c_bf9f_11d8_97fd_00304828b574_6401; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6493C7580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1A47580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1f90993c_bf9f_11d8_87f4_00304828b574_6396; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3844C3456EB for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1e836a92_bf9f_11d8_83bf_00304828b574_6387; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:11:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6389E1A193 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:11:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A14719FD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14798-05-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D593319D42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2f2ec376d90bae5c34de9d260b65631a@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Infinite calibration loop on bitsy From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:11:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20040616000957.VLPS28123.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Inbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qigwilzmswozxmkmqmmzeghytn" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qigwilzmswozxmkmqmmzeghytn Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have to recompile. There was a bug that has been fixed by someone at the labs (sorry, don't remember who). If you pull the fixed version and recompile it should work. hth --upas-qigwilzmswozxmkmqmmzeghytn Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by whale; Wed Jun 16 15:45:21 MDT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E37419FDC for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:10:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 36C0819A92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18192-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.65]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6FF919AA0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Inbox ([68.211.107.72]) by imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040616000957.VLPS28123.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Inbox> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:09:57 -0400 From: "Fu" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 20:09:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.1432.1 Message-Id: <20040616000957.VLPS28123.imf17aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Inbox> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Infinite calibration loop on bitsy X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu anyone had this problem. Install goes fine,on boot I get to the plan 9 console then the calibration screen and ir never let's me pass. Hp3600, using nemo's build . --upas-qigwilzmswozxmkmqmmzeghytn-- From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 17 17:51:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 16 23:17:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e81e9eee_bf9f_11d8_8820_00304828b574_11084; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D91345711 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7edcdaa_bf9f_11d8_909a_00304828b574_11081; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C3E427580FA; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6307580F9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e7adb2ec_bf9f_11d8_83ba_00304828b574_11078; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81008345711 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e6f6610a_bf9f_11d8_82e5_00304828b574_11075; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:17:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 72DB819FD1 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:17:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 325641A019 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16793-01-58 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8C591A007 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <528f155e93bf8a14d18abe74e248be42@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:17:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Why bother? You've already spent Venti space on them. True for /sys/src, but not for +t /usr/*/tmp directories, in our case. > We rotate the log files every January 1, so we have > /sys/log/mail.2003, etc. It's actually useful to have the old Do you put your logs into venti? I was scared to do that, but perhaps I just don't really assume that disks grow much faster than we can consume them... From forsyth@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 01:18:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfa57800_bfb0_11d8_92aa_00304828b574_26369; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B39B3448DC for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf6ff428_bfb0_11d8_8028_00304828b574_26342; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4D1177580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019F27580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf2d9f4c_bfb0_11d8_96df_00304828b574_26305; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042A53448DC for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be74fb40_bfb0_11d8_88af_00304828b574_26157; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EBED519FDA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:18:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8A53F19D40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29000-02-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8EAD619D4A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: C H Forsyth Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:41:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: <528f155e93bf8a14d18abe74e248be42@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>that disks grow much faster than we can consume them... disks from some manufacturers consume themselves much faster than we can consume them. From russcox@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 01:18:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cec81a90_bfb0_11d8_84b3_00304828b574_26746; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3343448C8 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ce92924e_bfb0_11d8_9dbe_00304828b574_26743; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B83067580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E47D7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ce58607e_bfb0_11d8_8bf2_00304828b574_26740; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727023448C8 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cda0cec8_bfb0_11d8_8b49_00304828b574_26736; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4592F1A1BB for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:18:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 706311A042 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16793-01-98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0C55A19FD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so169740rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.47 with SMTP id p47mr66474rnb; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 07:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:40:50 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker In-Reply-To: <528f155e93bf8a14d18abe74e248be42@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <528f155e93bf8a14d18abe74e248be42@plan9.escet.urjc.es> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > We rotate the log files every January 1, so we have > > /sys/log/mail.2003, etc. It's actually useful to have the old > > Do you put your logs into venti? > I was scared to do that, but perhaps I just don't really assume > that disks grow much faster than we can consume them... Sure. And we put them on the WORM before Venti. The biggest file is /sys/log/ipboot, but even that is only about 1GB/year, and boy does it compress well: right now it's 690MB that gzips to 45MB. That's not exactly what Venti does, but it's close enough. Russ From 9nut@9netics.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 01:18:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dea4b69e_bfb0_11d8_8367_00304828b574_26787; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1833448EB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de70e0e4_bfb0_11d8_8749_00304828b574_26784; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5B9467580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1219D7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id de36a424_bfb0_11d8_8f89_00304828b574_26781; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161AF3448EB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd7dd5e8_bfb0_11d8_8e0b_00304828b574_26778; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:18:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 391891A1CA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 592021A066 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29000-02-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6983819FD1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:01:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:01:52 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <40D05213.9050309@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > davel's-advocate? 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J. Ballesteros wrote: > > Why bother? You've already spent Venti space on them. > > True for /sys/src, but not for +t /usr/*/tmp directories, in our case. > this reminded me to submit two patches (sources/patch hasn't been touched in a long time!) i had almost forgotten about. the first one makes a trivial change to /sys/lib/newuser which does a chmods +t /usr/$user/tmp after that directory has been created. the second is more controversial, so i'll ask 9fans' opinion first: why create a whole new flag (-T) to 'ls' just to show files of type DMTMP, when we can use the second char in the first field of an 'ls -l', currently reserved only for DMEXCL files? it is possible to have a file of both DMTMP and DMEXCL types but it seems rare enough and we aren't guaranteed that a missing DMTMP will cause the file to be stored to venti anyway. the change is trivial: plan9% diff dirmodefmt.c /sys/src/libc/9sys/dirmodefmt.c 41,42d40 < else if(m & DMTMP) < buf[1]='t'; plan9% andrey From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 17 17:51:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 01:25:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca117a72_bfb1_11d8_805c_00304828b574_32338; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64894344A59 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9da7e5a_bfb1_11d8_8d1c_00304828b574_32333; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4B4937580F9; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B4D7580FA for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c9a0fa86_bfb1_11d8_88de_00304828b574_32330; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24FE344A6A for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8dfafb6_bfb1_11d8_991d_00304828b574_32319; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:25:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB2CA1A1FB for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:25:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F050519FFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29003-02-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EDB119AE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8a5f083f344ec7c1e77bff38ce7d9498@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:25:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > why create a whole new flag (-T) to 'ls' just to show files of type DMTMP, > when we can use the second char in the first field of an 'ls -l', currently reserved only for DMEXCL > files? Why not just assume that we have another permission flag, and write it like we do with any other one? eg talrwxr-x-rx Would that break so many scripts and programs? From rog@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 01:26:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2501a84_bfb1_11d8_8ec0_00304828b574_627; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E691E344A94 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f21b27ca_bfb1_11d8_9b0e_00304828b574_624; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D20F77580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC0A7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1e245ae_bfb1_11d8_87cc_00304828b574_621; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCD9344A94 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f129670a_bfb1_11d8_90c4_00304828b574_618; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:26:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBD201A1E9 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F5EC19FFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14952-01-35 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2CB1019AE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2c0570d90e9065dec3913f1726e373eb@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:32:31 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <40D05213.9050309@anvil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ... but grep understands \\:-). and...? > > rm ./$1 > > > > isn't correct. > > Why not? 'cos you might want to give an argument that's not relative to the current directory? From russcox@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 02:37:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c8b0186e_bfbb_11d8_82ca_00304828b574_30540; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FF4A344948 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c87949e2_bfbb_11d8_98a2_00304828b574_30517; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F06377580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39957580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c83cf334_bfbb_11d8_8e27_00304828b574_30500; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5923344948 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c783f21c_bfbb_11d8_91b5_00304828b574_30429; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:37:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D0C5F1A1CA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:36:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 806D719E1C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28014-02-33 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 3E4F719D8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so184146rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.181.77 with SMTP id d77mr67600rnf; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 10:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:36:37 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu rob and i talked about this when i added DMTMP, and we decided that: a) it wasn't worth putting another column in for something that doesn't affect normal usage. b) overloading an existing column is not possible because of the chance of conflict. you say it's rare but what happens when it occurs? by the same logic we could get rid of the second and third x bit listing. i don't even think it's rare: if you make your mail directory +t (which is something people might reasonably do), then the lock files would be +lt. as far as the chmod +t /usr/$user/tmp is concerned, sure, let's try it out. your patch had lots of calgaryisms in it. please try to submit patches that only list the relevant changes. when you don't, it gets in the way of the automation. my apologies to everyone for falling behind on patch applications. i set up a reminder email via cron but it has not been firing. i've processed all the patches that were submitted as of a few minutes ago. russ From rog@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 02:45:38 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa4475b8_bfbc_11d8_8bef_00304828b574_4599; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9FC3443A6 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fa138d04_bfbc_11d8_9583_00304828b574_4596; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:37 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A18ED7580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:37 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2ED7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9b74864_bfbc_11d8_832f_00304828b574_4593; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 326B63443A6 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f901a766_bfbc_11d8_99b2_00304828b574_4590; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:45:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9A4B11A1F0 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:45:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BC5B81A063 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08739-01-50 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD9C619D8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ba0c21e244f5d15af9b8f5c8bfc894c@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:51:26 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > b) overloading an existing column is not possible > because of the chance of conflict. you say it's rare > but what happens when it occurs? i seem to remember that some mode bits on unix ls used a different letter for this sort of thing. like t -> t l -> l t+l -> T (or something else) not the most intuitive ever, but saves an ls option, shows all the information, and is still simple to process in shell scripts. From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Thu Jun 17 17:51:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 02:49:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92c7760a_bfbd_11d8_9716_00304828b574_7644; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE9E344C06 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9294fc0c_bfbd_11d8_9753_00304828b574_7641; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 84D337580FB; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356DB7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 92542e84_bfbd_11d8_85f6_00304828b574_7637; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E49344C06 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 919a57fc_bfbd_11d8_8c95_00304828b574_7632; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:49:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20D021A216 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F7881A049 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28014-02-55 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D823919E5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E1724FDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 75C6028; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:31 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Message-ID: <20040616174931.GA55173@mero.morphisms.net> References: <5ba0c21e244f5d15af9b8f5c8bfc894c@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5ba0c21e244f5d15af9b8f5c8bfc894c@vitanuova.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 06:51:26PM +0100, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > b) overloading an existing column is not possible > > because of the chance of conflict. you say it's rare > > but what happens when it occurs? > > i seem to remember that some mode bits on > unix ls used a different letter for this sort of thing. > > like > > t -> t > l -> l > t+l -> T (or something else) Setuid and setgid bits: S -> S x -> x S+x -> s Since the common case is that x is set when s is, except possibly on directories. From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 17 17:51:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 02:50:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f879884_bfbd_11d8_8bff_00304828b574_8394; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0466F344C08 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f529b16_bfbd_11d8_817c_00304828b574_8391; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E4BFD7580F9; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994D57580FA for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f16f61a_bfbd_11d8_8f48_00304828b574_8388; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C354344C08 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e5e95a2_bfbd_11d8_91cf_00304828b574_8381; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C70D01A1E0 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:50:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 185421A215 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08740-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A9E6E1A204 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <668c983cf294caedeee7db4ff1bb71da@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:49:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <5ba0c21e244f5d15af9b8f5c8bfc894c@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > t+l -> T (or something else) Just trying to learn. Is there any big deal I'm missing in preserving the number of characters? We have a place for +a and a place for +l, why not just another place for +t ? From rog@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 02:54:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2bc0bc72_bfbe_11d8_8ce2_00304828b574_11293; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4755C344DB2 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b8e92d8_bfbe_11d8_893d_00304828b574_11283; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D5E17580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69A47580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b4f23e6_bfbe_11d8_94b3_00304828b574_11253; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C80344DB2 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2a970b30_bfbe_11d8_8467_00304828b574_11182; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:54:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 20CE41A226 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:54:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DF281A063 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08739-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A53111A049 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 13:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:59:58 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <668c983cf294caedeee7db4ff1bb71da@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > We have a place for +a and a place for +l, > why not just another place for +t ? a) it's more space for something that's not much used (and usually isn't relevant when using the file). b) it's not uncommon to do something like: ls -l | grep '^d...x..x..x' a change would break any scripts that do this.. 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J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:56:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > a) it's more space for something that's not much > used (and usually isn't relevant when using the file). > > b) it's not uncommon to do something like: > > ls -l | grep '^d...x..x..x' I see. Although perhaps it would be easy to grep for such greps and fix them. thanks, I was assuming that breaking some scripts couldn't be the real reason; but now I see that probably that's why. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jun 17 17:51:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 03:13:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd392a8c_bfc0_11d8_96e9_00304828b574_26511; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08691345824 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dd0773fc_bfc0_11d8_841f_00304828b574_26508; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:13:27 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DF0367580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:13:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D377580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:13:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dcc68478_bfc0_11d8_973c_00304828b574_26505; 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Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f589aad779208e7a9569a9f810e1b8c@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:03 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > your patch had lots of calgaryisms in it. please try to > submit patches that only list the relevant changes. > when you don't, it gets in the way of the automation. ouch, my bad -- i had assumed i used the newuser file from /n/sources when i did the change . in the future feel free to reject anything containing local information and leave the submitter (me) the job of fixing it and submitting a proper patch :) andrey From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jun 17 17:51:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 03:21:28 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc24e566_bfc1_11d8_8257_00304828b574_705; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63702345C2C for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbf32058_bfc1_11d8_8468_00304828b574_701; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 446FB7580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8BA7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fbb1eb1a_bfc1_11d8_968f_00304828b574_698; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00245345C2C for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fafab1b6_bfc1_11d8_93ca_00304828b574_695; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:21:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95DBB1A212 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8E90C1A203 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07926-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54BB519D88 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 14:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:21:00 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <668c983cf294caedeee7db4ff1bb71da@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> t+l -> T (or something else) > > Just trying to learn. > Is there any big deal I'm missing in preserving > the number of characters? > We have a place for +a and a place for +l, > why not just another place for +t ? I was following the rationale that the first character shows the file type (DMDIR, DMAPPEND, etc) and the second shows the file mode (DMEXCL, DMTMP). while a file cannot be an append-only directory it is entirely possible for it to be DMEXCL|DMTMP... maybe packing characters/runes together in bitfield-like fashion (charfields?) isn't such a good idea after all :) andrey From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 04:21:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e640d7c_bfca_11d8_9b97_00304828b574_21032; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3215F345162 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e198c70_bfca_11d8_9f51_00304828b574_21029; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1537D7580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8B07580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4dd7ea54_bfca_11d8_9eed_00304828b574_21026; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53AC345162 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d189604_bfca_11d8_911b_00304828b574_21023; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:21:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E1E1F1A216 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:20:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97FA019E73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07926-02-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42A8F19DF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.124]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C8F42378F7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:20:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <009b01c453d6$c7216da0$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <5ba0c21e244f5d15af9b8f5c8bfc894c@vitanuova.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:18:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > t+l -> T (or something else) like the sysVile S bits? what a dreadful idea that was. > not the most intuitive ever, but saves an ls option, > shows all the information, and is still simple to process > in shell scripts. it will break all the existing scripts that use this column and when/should this happen it might not be 'good'. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 04:24:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bf4c63d6_bfca_11d8_8435_00304828b574_24181; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1055E345859 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id beab62ec_bfca_11d8_9fee_00304828b574_24083; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AFA137580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3027580FE for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bdaa6460_bfca_11d8_9034_00304828b574_24003; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC49345859 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b83fb7be_bfca_11d8_89df_00304828b574_23461; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7FBDE1A21B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:23:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BB54719E83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02269-03-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A544119DF6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.124]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7382337A61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00a901c453d7$320f6400$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:21:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I see. Although perhaps it would be easy to grep for such greps > and fix them. worldwide? on every plan 9 site? what about awk, sed, etc ... ? 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From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 17 17:51:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 04:42:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4396681a_bfcd_11d8_8859_00304828b574_7498; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65B1345CB6 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 435cb9e4_bfcd_11d8_8ca7_00304828b574_7488; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8C75D7580F9; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B537580FA for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 431e580c_bfcd_11d8_8340_00304828b574_7474; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49209345CB6 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 426826e0_bfcd_11d8_878f_00304828b574_7399; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 04:42:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 737AE1A247 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 64DCD1A05F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07926-02-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0ACCB1A056 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7569cf3f9ba9204110e6b3b416175e00@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:41:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <00a901c453d7$320f6400$7c587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > worldwide? on every plan 9 site? > > what about awk, sed, etc ... ? Only for plan 9. We'll know because things will break ;-) From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 05:32:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 497e105a_bfd4_11d8_8ce5_00304828b574_20378; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1ADF344CF7 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4924eb7e_bfd4_11d8_9696_00304828b574_20375; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AB9397580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C607580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 48e165ac_bfd4_11d8_82cd_00304828b574_20372; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC4F344CF7 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 480ecade_bfd4_11d8_8f04_00304828b574_20366; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:32:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E524D1A24B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:32:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 50A1C19E74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03383-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FE3319E5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.124]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BDB9367232 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:32:03 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00c201c453e0$bbd31890$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <7569cf3f9ba9204110e6b3b416175e00@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:30:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > We'll know because things will break ;-) Dies ist KAOS und wir tun dies nicht hier! -- Siegfried From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 17 17:51:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 05:34:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8550758c_bfd4_11d8_8f9a_00304828b574_21651; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730C0344DE5 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 851d2286_bfd4_11d8_8024_00304828b574_21614; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 533647580FC; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EF17580FB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 84d65f2c_bfd4_11d8_93b5_00304828b574_21610; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BB8344DE5 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 841c47f4_bfd4_11d8_8eb6_00304828b574_21530; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:34:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 209941A23B for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:34:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C35DA1A05E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03383-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9069919E5E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:33:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <774a699bfcfbd14662c5fb6d89ab7bd6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <00c201c453e0$bbd31890$7c587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Dies ist KAOS und wir tun dies nicht hier! -- Siegfried Any German reader in the list? =E2=98=BA From 20h@r-36.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 06:05:22 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e12d313e_bfd8_11d8_87e9_00304828b574_15132; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E2B345161 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0f748bc_bfd8_11d8_9bb4_00304828b574_15129; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7213E7580F9; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227687580FB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0b7566c_bfd8_11d8_8b14_00304828b574_15126; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2771E345171 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e0000f70_bfd8_11d8_84d5_00304828b574_15114; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 06:05:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F8F51A075 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:05:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C35BF19E5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15337-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 138039.vserver.de (138039.vserver.de [62.75.138.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53C271A02E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Laptop-20h (p509130C0.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.48.192]) (authenticated bits=0) by 138039.vserver.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5GL4dhL026630 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:04:41 +0200 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:04:28 +0200 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Message-Id: <20040616230428.0bd5dcc4.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <774a699bfcfbd14662c5fb6d89ab7bd6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> References: <00c201c453e0$bbd31890$7c587d50@SOMA> <774a699bfcfbd14662c5fb6d89ab7bd6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:46 +0200 "Fco. J. Ballesteros" wrote: > > Dies ist KAOS und wir tun dies nicht hier! -- Siegfried >=20 > Any German reader in the list? =E2=98=BA Yes. "This is KAOS and we don't do this here! -- Siegfried" 20h From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 07:09:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e25a642e_bfe1_11d8_8aeb_00304828b574_5863; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06670344F44 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e227a8f4_bfe1_11d8_9fdd_00304828b574_5860; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DD1167580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92DDD7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1e6d57c_bfe1_11d8_823c_00304828b574_5857; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974E0344F46 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e12f56e0_bfe1_11d8_9cb3_00304828b574_5851; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:09:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B32D31A07E for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:09:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 109AC19BEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21547-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91B9B19B1D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.124]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D67E378F7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00df01c453ee$50cb7750$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <774a699bfcfbd14662c5fb6d89ab7bd6@plan9.escet.urjc.es> Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 00:07:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Dies ist KAOS und wir tun dies nicht hier! -- Siegfried esto es KAOS, nosotros no hacemos eso! -- Siegfried From dbailey27@ameritech.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:08 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 07:22:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a28bd6f0_bfe3_11d8_8a98_00304828b574_17168; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5CA3458EF for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a25a236c_bfe3_11d8_9c76_00304828b574_17164; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id CF6A27580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AA27580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a21809aa_bfe3_11d8_856e_00304828b574_17161; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891283458EF for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1608df2_bfe3_11d8_9373_00304828b574_17158; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:22:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B40F71A06E for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:22:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F372719B4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21547-01-46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.181]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 77D7C19A17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO ameritech.net) (dbailey27@ameritech.net@69.212.33.1 with plain) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2004 22:22:00 -0000 Message-ID: <40D0CB94.3080408@ameritech.net> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:37:08 -0400 From: Don Bailey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash References: , <40CFD67C.3090900@ameritech.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > Getopt (including the -- convention) was developed at > Bell Labs over 20 years ago. If you're not using it, > shame on you. I was making a joke on how the state of things changed while I've been gone. It seems the state of pro and anti GNU buzz (as there always has been) has began to escalate due to portability desires, etc. However, I don't believe the -- issue is particularly relevant to getopt, since plan9 doesn't even use getopt, so, shame on you. Apparently, you don't use it either. Worse yet, you don't know that you don't use it. Excuse my lack of emoticons or tags: Booze Brother Shirani has still got me on sarcastic time and I think I'll be experiencing jet lag for a few more days. Don From lyndon@orthanc.ca Thu Jun 17 17:51:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 08:34:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c81bc0f6_bfed_11d8_81be_00304828b574_14934; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C2A3450DA for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7782482_bfed_11d8_93d4_00304828b574_14925; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:58 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7EF76758101; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AB27580FC for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c6e01692_bfed_11d8_87a1_00304828b574_14918; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FCB3450DA for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9271f82_bfed_11d8_82f0_00304828b574_14761; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:34:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B53EE1A195 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:34:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0F54719D54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:34:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02706-02-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orthanc.ca (orthanc.ca [209.89.70.53]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 54D7519C66 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d154-5-18-205.bchsia.telus.net (d154-5-18-205.bchsia.telus.net [154.5.18.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by orthanc.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GNY8r2000442 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:34:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from lyndon@orthanc.ca) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:34:03 -0700 From: Lyndon Nerenberg To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <2147483647.1087403643@d154-5-18-205.bchsia.telus.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.1 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Keyboard compose with MacOS drawterm X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Is there a way to get 'alt' key compose functionality working with the MacOS drawterm? I have X11 configured to pass treat the 'command' key as the ALT modifier, and this works with other programs, but drawterm seems to ignore it. I.e. pressing CMD-a generates a plain 'a'. --lyndon From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Thu Jun 17 17:51:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 08:50:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 011afb68_bff0_11d8_8561_00304828b574_28492; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B431E3453F8 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0068a490_bff0_11d8_9b94_00304828b574_28478; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 57AC4758109; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D007580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe97b0e8_bfef_11d8_8cde_00304828b574_28441; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B903B3453F8 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f9b6ba2e_bfef_11d8_97ee_00304828b574_28379; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:50:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3DF21A08A for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:50:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A1BE11A03E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03564-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C5931A026 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5GNoGxj013997 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:50:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5GNoFdV004745 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:50:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5GNoFF20502 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:50:15 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406162350.i5GNoFF20502@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:48:32 +0000." References: <200406141908.i5EJ8Ll01370@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:50:14 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Just some feedback on playing with __EXTENSIONS__. And some general 'current port' feedback at the end. I tried the 'do only define __EXTENSIONS__ where necessary approach' and it turned out to be pretty painful, when used to compile all. I'll explain. I found that some more files needed it, or else compilation would fail. Worse, I found that some files (well, at least one) needed it, but without showing this by failing compilation. The case being lib9/dirread.c : without __EXTENSIONS__ being defined I somehow end up with a dirread that reads nothing (could be completely my fault, by messing something up by playing with __EXTENSIONS__). The point I'm trying to make is: in this dirread case, the fact that something is broken kind of hits you in the face as soon as you run acme, or even plain ls: no files at all. However, there could be a zillion things that are broken in a more subtle way. Having to find those by stumbling over them I would find painful. I'll probably revert u.h to its old form, and get rid of the yield problem explicitly using the 'rename as p9yield approach' and see where that brings me. As a side effect of recompiling the ports world a couple of times I got rid of another set of (silly) compiler warnings, I'll forward these off-list to Russ after reverting u.h, stabilizing and cleanup. Furthermore I got the impression that the echo-disabling code in 9term still/again needs some work: on sunos5.8 when prompting for a password, telnet succeeds to disable echo but ssh and vncviewer fail. I did have an own version where those worked too, I'll find time to have a look at the differences. Another thing: I did increase some thread related stack sizes but still saw as the end of ps output: sort: note: sys: child Abort I'll try to get a demo purify version and see if that sheds some light. Axel. Bengt wrote: > Richard C Bilson wrote: > ...deleted > > I don't know if there's a good reason for requiring __EXTENSIONS__ > > to be defined, but it didn't break anything that I can see and > > it made the yield problem go away. > > on my plan9port (plan9-20040517.tar.gz) __EXTENSIONS__ is neccessary to > compile plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c . however, i think it is better to > defined it just for that file. obvious diff included below. > > i would like to thank you for the diff to u.h. i also experimented with > removing __EXTENSIONS__ to get rid of sun-os yield(). however, since i > failed to remove the 3 #undef _NEED* after very little > compiled properly. > i reinstated __EXTENSIONS__, and after that i slowly got myself totally > lost in various attempts to get replace yield() with p9yield(). you > saved me. with your change to u.h (and my change to 9term/SunOS.c) > everything seems to both compile and run. no changes neccessary to > fdwait.c, sched.c nor thread.h. > > > bengt > > *** /home/eleberg/private/plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c.original Tue Jun > 15 08:42:44 2004 > --- /home/eleberg/private/plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c Tue Jun 15 > 08:42:46 2004 > *************** > *** 1,4 **** > --- 1,5 ---- > #include > + #define __EXTENSIONS__ > #include > #include > #include From geoff@collyer.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 08:56:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d83028ee_bff0_11d8_8d0a_00304828b574_948; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 666FF345980 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d7fcdd2c_bff0_11d8_8df5_00304828b574_945; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4ABCF7580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:54 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F747580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d7be0c82_bff0_11d8_8873_00304828b574_942; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09955345980 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d70895c8_bff0_11d8_96bf_00304828b574_939; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 08:56:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B5F0D1A08E for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:56:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96F0C1A05E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20777-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE1291A061 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <169b5653f486eddddba297a12fb8db9f@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:56:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <40D0CB94.3080408@ameritech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Real getopt has nothing to do with gnu. gnu has several flavours of extended getopt-like functions, but that's not relevant here. I was just pointing out that arg(2) implements the same "--" convention as getopt, so all programs that use arg(2) for option parsing get it for free. And yes, I rarely use it, preferring "rm ./-p" and "grep '*-p'" or "grep .-p". From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Thu Jun 17 17:51:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 09:02:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f863092_bff1_11d8_814d_00304828b574_5220; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:02:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA8C345C35 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:02:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8f1934e2_bff1_11d8_9ed1_00304828b574_5136; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:02:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 62A6F7580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:02:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F01DA7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:02:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8eb6c9ba_bff1_11d8_8e8f_00304828b574_5119; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:02:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE9D3459AF for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:01:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8dd1e822_bff1_11d8_9385_00304828b574_5116; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:02:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 837DB1A154 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:01:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16A941A064 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20777-01-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14B561A061 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5H01Jxj016577 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:01:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H01IdV006714 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:01:18 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5H01Ic20678 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:01:18 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406170001.i5H01Ic20678@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] X-Exmh-Isig-CompType: repl X-Exmh-Isig-Folder: inbox/Lists.9fans To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port 9term In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Jun 2004 08:48:43 +0000." References: <200406111351.i5BDpUU20806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca>, From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i have a question about plan9port 9term. > is it supposed to have a button-3 menu? it has not, (that is why?) it displays the rio button3 menu (or the button3 menu from whatever window manager you are using), as: (quoted from todo list in the $PLAN9/src/cmd/rio/README) - Should change 9term to redirect b3 clicks to rio so that rio can put up the usual b3 menu. (at least, that is what it does for me, as far as I can tell (cvs diff) that code got added to the ports distribution) > the old 9term (from matty farrow) does. but that one has different entries. This 9term is much closer to the plan 9 rio windows. Somewhat related: I also have code that tries to do some other items from the todo list in the $PLAN9/src/cmd/rio/README: - Should change window focus on b2/b3 clicks and then pass along the click event to the now-focused window. but I think I recall Russ wanted to wait a bit to see if he really wants this, before including it in the distribution. The 9wm on which rio is based already contains the code to do - Should work out a protocol between 9term and rio so that: * 9term can tell rio to blue its border during hold mode using an X property (Atom? whatever it is called) put in the X server. I have some not-so-beautiful code that does this as well. Axel. 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From geoff@collyer.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 09:28:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 379bf32c_bff5_11d8_9a5a_00304828b574_32473; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A08D34417E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37692cda_bff5_11d8_82fd_00304828b574_32467; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:28:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EB8CA75810D; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:28:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07608758104 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:27:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2bce59d6_bff5_11d8_852e_00304828b574_31684; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:27:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C31C34433E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:21:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42d3cb6c_bff4_11d8_96a0_00304828b574_24799; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:21:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8749119FD8 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:21:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0E81519BDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03564-01-74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1674C19A7C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:21:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: <6c7ae4f6501f173a063604e5d5080e86@snellwilcox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu /mail/grey should ideally be stored in an other file system or something similar (ramfs, DMTMP). It should be cleared out daily so that legitimate callers get a chance to try again, even if their calling behaviour is odd: 17 2 * * * cpu cd /mail/grey && rm -rf *.*.*.* I store some of the logs in /sys/log in /n/other/log and do this nightly: 50 4 * * * cpu cd /n/other/log && chop cron cs dns ipboot runq timesync where /rc/bin/chop is: #!/bin/rc # chop file ... - truncate append-only files for (f) { chmod -a $f >$f chmod +a $f } In /cron/upas/cron, I run: 3,13,23,33,43,53 * * * * cpu /sys/lib/fax/faxtickle; echo -n reload >/mail/ratify/ctl Once a month, I regenerate manual indices: 30 4 1 * * cpu cd /sys/man && mk indices Once a night I ran a script that runs calendar, pull -n, and: du -af /n/other >/n/other/du/other which serves as the basis for a very simple `locate' command. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 09:50:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 624a04da_bff8_11d8_9220_00304828b574_19856; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0653451CE for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6213508e_bff8_11d8_8b97_00304828b574_19853; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 73A707580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36837580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61b1f5d2_bff8_11d8_9b15_00304828b574_19850; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89AF3451CE for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60fac844_bff8_11d8_9877_00304828b574_19847; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:50:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1099119FDD for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:50:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 83F3919FDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11606-02-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3488819FD8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.88.124]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EF481379D8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:50:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <015601c45404$c7ec96f0$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200406170001.i5H01Ic20678@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port 9term Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:48:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > the old 9term (from matty farrow) does. and what a horrible thing that was; two ioctls per char. i added look and hacked it so it only called ioctl when necessary. trouble being that releasing it outa Digital woulda revealed (albeit trivial) undocumented pty features which may have not been in the company's interests. getting stuff out was a nightmare anyway. From russcox@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 11:23:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ff18238_c005_11d8_9f05_00304828b574_7008; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:23:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852CF344A1E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:23:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f4fa4ea_c005_11d8_969a_00304828b574_6999; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:23:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 019577580FF; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:23:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59A37580FB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:23:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e3cb4c6_c005_11d8_9636_00304828b574_6982; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B7634524E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:22:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2dd9de02_c005_11d8_837d_00304828b574_5900; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:22:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35CCA1A238 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:22:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 493001A08B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05077-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.196]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id CD56E1A082 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 62so183632rni for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.207.9 with SMTP id e9mr84105rng; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 19:22:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:22:04 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Keyboard compose with MacOS drawterm In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1087403643@d154-5-18-205.bchsia.telus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <2147483647.1087403643@d154-5-18-205.bchsia.telus.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Is there a way to get 'alt' key compose functionality working with the > MacOS drawterm? I have X11 configured to pass treat the 'command' key > as the ALT modifier, and this works with other programs, but drawterm > seems to ignore it. I.e. pressing CMD-a generates a plain 'a'. Drawterm is hoping for XK_Alt_L or XK_Alt_R. Maybe you are sending XK_Meta_* or XK_Super_* instead? Russ From rcbilson@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca Thu Jun 17 17:51:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 11:33:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3aa826e_c006_11d8_91c1_00304828b574_15761; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC48834557B for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c374f1ee_c006_11d8_8dfe_00304828b574_15758; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C7D597580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801927580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c33b47fa_c006_11d8_9843_00304828b574_15755; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862E43455B2 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c284e172_c006_11d8_929f_00304828b574_15747; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:33:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A43FC1A09E for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D88019D1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22746-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.140.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9A4AE19D05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from rcbilson@localhost) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.11.7/8.11.7) id i5H2XUR02533 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard C Bilson Message-Id: <200406170233.i5H2XUR02533@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > From: Axel Belinfante > > The point I'm trying to make is: > in this dirread case, the fact that something is broken > kind of hits you in the face as soon as you run acme, > or even plain ls: no files at all. However, there could be > a zillion things that are broken in a more subtle way. > Having to find those by stumbling over them I would find painful. I'm not sure I agree. The code hasn't been in use long enough to convince me that it isn't broken in subtle ways, even with _EXTENSIONS_ enabled. And my experience in trying to write portable code on UNIX-ish systems has led to a deep distrust of feature-test macros. But you're the one doing the work (at least, right now), and if you can make it work then more power to you. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jun 17 17:51:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 12:04:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0903ab98_c00b_11d8_88ac_00304828b574_15664; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DF323442A8 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 08d0bfa8_c00b_11d8_8a7b_00304828b574_15655; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0716C75810B; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59301758105 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:03:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5cee54c_c00a_11d8_88a2_00304828b574_14618; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:03:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9008345D77 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:44:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4fb01de0_c008_11d8_8844_00304828b574_26077; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:44:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 664BA1A1EE for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:44:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F3FD71A08B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22746-01-69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 46DCF19D1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <34aa9d0a65df7be3090b84453bc095e1@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Keyboard compose with MacOS drawterm Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:44:26 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Drawterm is hoping for XK_Alt_L or XK_Alt_R. > Maybe you are sending XK_Meta_* or XK_Super_* instead? > > Russ in addition to the above, there's a source (perhaps old?) for drawterm around which doesn't have the latin1.c file and doesn't know what to do with alt key combinations. if that's the source used to compile the MacOSX binary then it may need some minor modifications in devcon[s].c and xkeyboard(), plus the addition of latin1.c. andrey From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 17 17:51:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 12:04:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0c7b9e52_c00b_11d8_9f68_00304828b574_15707; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D54344270 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0c43bb36_c00b_11d8_8abd_00304828b574_15704; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 57F08758104; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC19758129 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 01e6be90_c00b_11d8_8105_00304828b574_15444; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:04:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C54344A69 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:59:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 615d8a08_c00a_11d8_955c_00304828b574_9731; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:59:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DE7C1A1EA for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:59:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0F381A004 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02023-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 723F61A000 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:58:20 +0900 In-Reply-To: <00df01c453ee$50cb7750$7c587d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> Dies ist KAOS und wir tun dies nicht hier! -- Siegfried Hmm, "=E6=B7=B7=E6=B2=8C=E3=81=AE=E4=B8=AD=E3=81=A7=E3=81=AF=E4=BD=95=E3=82=92= =E3=81=97=E3=81=A6=E3=82=82=E7=84=A1=E9=A7=84" =E3=81=8B=E3=81=AA? 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Kenji From robpike@gmail.com Thu Jun 17 17:51:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 12:08:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f9758c0_c00b_11d8_9394_00304828b574_19190; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:08:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0A8344A1D for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:08:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f5e5db8_c00b_11d8_8a2b_00304828b574_19186; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:08:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AC5A97580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:08:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596ED7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:08:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9f15ffd2_c00b_11d8_9ec3_00304828b574_19180; 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Wed, 16 Jun 2004 23:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 61so87115rnd for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.119.72 with SMTP id r72mr174514cwc; Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904061620083b8054c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 20:08:17 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Keyboard compose with MacOS drawterm In-Reply-To: <34aa9d0a65df7be3090b84453bc095e1@plan9.ucalgary.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <34aa9d0a65df7be3090b84453bc095e1@plan9.ucalgary.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu don't know about drawterm, but the other stuff works fine if you use the apple thingy as the compose key. -rob From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 17 17:51:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:12:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <021301c45418$b8b84990$7c587d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <34aa9d0a65df7be3090b84453bc095e1@plan9.ucalgary.ca> <7359f04904061620083b8054c7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Keyboard compose with MacOS drawterm Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:10:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > don't know about drawterm, but the other stuff works fine if you use the > apple thingy as the compose key. only problem i have is that Alt-Gr [compose] sometimes needs a space after the char, otherwise i get peter. From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Thu Jun 17 17:51:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 15:27:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f6a58bc_c027_11d8_9c86_00304828b574_580; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D305345361 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f377e56_c027_11d8_8de7_00304828b574_577; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 12F057580F9; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CE87580FD for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 58949a20_c027_11d8_91dc_00304828b574_32250; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:27:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8964E345361 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:26:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52d5003e_c027_11d8_94f5_00304828b574_32247; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:26:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A22B1A004 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:26:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B28119AE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07739-01-37 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E71C919A93 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 02:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27a6d1b62ecb147ba8f1cb30142fe1e4@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] skulker From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:25:13 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I don't know why all lines have last > ... Added 'AUTOMATICALLY' by our Univ's mail server, elmo. Damn it! Kenji From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Thu Jun 17 17:51:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 16:53:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6d7e0e1a_c033_11d8_8b38_00304828b574_11541; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9123345475 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6d4a63c6_c033_11d8_823b_00304828b574_11538; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 904FC7580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8A07580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6d072f8e_c033_11d8_95cf_00304828b574_11535; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7BA345475 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6c4c4eda_c033_11d8_92b3_00304828b574_11532; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:53:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A30E619FDC for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:53:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5105519D28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28676-02-34 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:53:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16BF219E82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 03:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5H7r5xj013366 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:53:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5H7r4dV021266 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:53:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5H7r4F23190 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:53:04 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:33:30 -0400." <200406170233.i5H2XUR02533@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> References: <200406170233.i5H2XUR02533@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:53:04 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > The point I'm trying to make is: > > in this dirread case, the fact that something is broken > > kind of hits you in the face as soon as you run acme, > > or even plain ls: no files at all. However, there could be > > a zillion things that are broken in a more subtle way. > > Having to find those by stumbling over them I would find painful. > > I'm not sure I agree. The code hasn't been in use long enough to > convince me that it isn't broken in subtle ways, even with _EXTENSIONS_ > enabled. And my experience in trying to write portable code on > UNIX-ish systems has led to a deep distrust of feature-test macros. > But you're the one doing the work (at least, right now), and if you > can make it work then more power to you. Ok. I see your point. Let me try to phrase be a bit more accurately. what I basically meant was: with a previous ports release (where the yield problem was not present) things (at least those that I tried, used) were working more or less ok. Now I tried to get rid of the yield problem by playing with the __EXTENSIONS__ macro, and it seems that there are places where it is really necessary -- but the compiler does not help to find all of those, for some (at least one) you only notice the need because programs behave in a different way. For me that means, to have reasobly trust in the result, I either have to know what I am doing (I don't), or test all programs to a certain extent. That seems tough Just leaving on __EXTENSIONS__ and fixing yield in a different way seems for me the easy way out. Don't know if it is the best way, but for me, with no knowledge whatsoever about where __EXTENSIONS__ is needed and where not (apart from what I learned by trying to get things working), it really seems for me the easiest, and the one giving me the most reliable result. Someone in know about all this surely can do a better job, but, I guess for me it boils down to: if it ain't broke, don't fix it (or: only fix the small thing that you see breaking, but avoid touching those (scary) bits that (for all I can tell, seem to) work) Axel. From gbacon@hiwaay.net Thu Jun 17 18:22:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 18:19:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6bcb3ffa_c03f_11d8_84bf_00304828b574_25105; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F3E345AF9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b9a81e4_c03f_11d8_8fbf_00304828b574_25102; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B2E0E7580FB; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B6B7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6b5b4222_c03f_11d8_9119_00304828b574_25098; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65B80345AF9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6aa212f2_c03f_11d8_8bbf_00304828b574_25093; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E6061A1EA for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8765419FE8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15971-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 18B2719D78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1Baspk-00077e-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:05:20 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:05:14 GMT From: Greg Bacon Message-ID: <10d11j16pr5bl57@corp.supernews.com> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Radeon and fossil X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Greg Bacon , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have a box with a Radeon 7000. I found Philippe Anel's driver, but his howto seems to be geared toward a kfs install rather than fossil. Is there a more sensible way of making the edits -- no rio, remember -- than copying into /n/c (or /n/a), updating, mounting a -AWP view, copying the modified sources back, and rebuiling the kernel and aux/vga? Will the mkfiles need modification to run under /n/fossil? Thanks, Greg From DAGwyn@null.net Thu Jun 17 18:22:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 18:19:45 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78d99b88_c03f_11d8_8902_00304828b574_25133; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B186345AF9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 789ac868_c03f_11d8_948d_00304828b574_25130; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 87BA17580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456BA7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 78653e28_c03f_11d8_920e_00304828b574_25127; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F12E345AF9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 77a6ffbc_c03f_11d8_880d_00304828b574_25124; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:19:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6A4FB1A1DB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B462419D78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21732-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 05DD219BD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BasqG-00078h-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:05:52 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:05:26 GMT From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" Message-ID: Organization: University of Bath Computing Services, UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <002401c453a8$42101d60$7c587d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu boyd, rounin wrote: > yeah, why use -- when ./ will do it? no extra code for ./ unlike -- Not all nonoption arguments that might start with a - character are pathnames. From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Thu Jun 17 18:22:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 18:20:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 872f4656_c03f_11d8_96bf_00304828b574_25691; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC87345AFB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86f5299e_c03f_11d8_95b3_00304828b574_25688; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 997847580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB687580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86b9cbce_c03f_11d8_839e_00304828b574_25650; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51633345AFB for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 86005626_c03f_11d8_9755_00304828b574_25579; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 498881A1E1 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:20:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 484EF19BD4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15971-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA4EE19FFD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BasqG-00078t-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:05:52 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:05:46 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <200406170001.i5H01Ic20678@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port 9term X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Axel Belinfante wrote: >>i have a question about plan9port 9term. >>is it supposed to have a button-3 menu? > > > it has not, (that is why?) it displays the rio button3 menu > (or the button3 menu from whatever window manager you are using), as: > (quoted from todo list in the $PLAN9/src/cmd/rio/README) > > - Should change 9term to redirect b3 clicks to rio so that rio > can put up the usual b3 menu. i should have looked around in more README files before asking. but rio is not the first place where i expected to find information about 9term :-) bengt From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Thu Jun 17 18:22:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 18:20:32 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 94c13b8a_c03f_11d8_8ad0_00304828b574_25924; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D2BA345AFD for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 948bb4b0_c03f_11d8_80ef_00304828b574_25921; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 69B387580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156FC7580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 944ae566_c03f_11d8_9e94_00304828b574_25918; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1749A345AFD for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9391c31a_c03f_11d8_920f_00304828b574_25915; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:20:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42EE81A1EC for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:20:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B67819D78 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21764-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2AF719FBB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BasqG-00078n-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 10:05:52 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:05:36 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <200406162350.i5GNoFF20502@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Axel Belinfante wrote: ...deleted > I tried the 'do only define __EXTENSIONS__ where necessary approach' > and it turned out to be pretty painful, when used to compile all. > I'll explain. > > I found that some more files needed it, or else compilation would fail. strangely enough i only had 1 file (plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c) that failed to compile. perhaps you have a newer tarball than i do? > Worse, I found that some files (well, at least one) needed it, > but without showing this by failing compilation. > The case being lib9/dirread.c : without __EXTENSIONS__ being > defined I somehow end up with a dirread that reads nothing > (could be completely my fault, by messing something up > by playing with __EXTENSIONS__). this did not happen for me. ie, both ls and acme worked after re-compiling without __EXTENSIONS__. presumably i made a mistake somewhere. > The point I'm trying to make is: > in this dirread case, the fact that something is broken > kind of hits you in the face as soon as you run acme, > or even plain ls: no files at all. However, there could be > a zillion things that are broken in a more subtle way. > Having to find those by stumbling over them I would find painful. without a test suite, things are indeed difficult. > Furthermore I got the impression that the echo-disabling > code in 9term still/again needs some work: on sunos5.8 > when prompting for a password, telnet succeeds to disable echo > but ssh and vncviewer fail. I did have an own version where those > worked too, I'll find time to have a look at the differences. > sorry i do not do this. not tested. bengt From xigh@free.fr Thu Jun 17 20:03:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 18:42:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a265f9ee_c042_11d8_928d_00304828b574_13626; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:42:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6F234416E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:42:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1b9572a_c042_11d8_9069_00304828b574_13613; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:42:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 986447580FE; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:42:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565FC7580FD for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:42:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1459eca_c042_11d8_9e59_00304828b574_13605; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:42:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E55634430E for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:37:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fde082a4_c041_11d8_8f30_00304828b574_8292; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:37:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 535AC1A22B for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:37:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B9FB31A024 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15971-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postfix4-2.free.fr (postfix4-2.free.fr [213.228.0.176]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 976B31A021 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from w2k.free.fr (lns-vlq-38-82-254-189-204.adsl.proxad.net [82.254.189.204]) by postfix4-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA84192CE9; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.0.20040617113349.0246c780@pop.free.fr> X-Sender: xigh@pop.free.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:37:11 +0200 To: Greg Bacon , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Philippe Anel Subject: Re: [9fans] Radeon and fossil In-Reply-To: <10d11j16pr5bl57@corp.supernews.com> References: <10d11j16pr5bl57@corp.supernews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Cc: X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, At 11:05 AM 6/17/2004, you wrote: >I have a box with a Radeon 7000. I found Philippe Anel's driver, >but his howto seems to be geared toward a kfs install rather than >fossil. I don't understand that point. >Is there a more sensible way of making the edits -- no rio, remember -- >than copying into /n/c (or /n/a), updating, mounting a -AWP view, >copying the modified sources back, and rebuiling the kernel and aux/vga? Hmm, you can use ed(1) ... :) >Will the mkfiles need modification to run under /n/fossil? No. >Thanks, >Greg Philippe. From vthacker@0xfe.org Thu Jun 17 20:03:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 17 18:58:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f329f3f6_c044_11d8_863b_00304828b574_30572; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6508034454F for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2f847c0_c044_11d8_92b2_00304828b574_30566; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 21D447580FA; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4D707580F9 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2a59b60_c044_11d8_8408_00304828b574_30561; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6E734454F for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1d2af98_c044_11d8_8242_00304828b574_30557; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:58:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 381631A24A for ; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:58:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 01E5E19C9F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21764-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.0xfe.org (pc-211-8-214-187.ctktv.ne.jp [211.8.214.187]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E435919AEC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 05:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vthacker by ns.0xfe.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BatiN-0006cd-Qd for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:01:47 +0900 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:01:47 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20040617100147.GA25421@0xfe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i From: Vester Thacker X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] A note about AMD64 mainboards and Plan 9 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu For anyone thinking about running Plan 9 on an AMD64 mainboard, ensure that you don't purchase a mainboard with the VIA VT800 chipset. The VIA VT800 chipset is not supported by Plan 9 at this time. Unless you plan to write a driver for it. The AMD64 mainboards that have nForce3 150 chipset work well. 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I spoke too soon about nForce3. I'm having slightly different problems now. I'd like to retract my earlier statement. 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The VIA VT800 chipset is not supported by Plan 9 at >this time. Unless you plan to write a driver for it. What's wrong with this chipset ? I've bought an Acer Aspire 1502 notebook with a KT800 chipset inside, and beside the broadcom ethernet (and wifi) missing drivers, it runs Plan9 quite fine. Philippe, Ps: Note to jmk: I can't reply to your private email. : host plan9.bell-labs.com[204.178.31.2] said: 554 we believe this is spam. we don't accept it. 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I'm having slightly different > problems now. I'd like to retract my earlier statement. 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In-Reply-To: <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406170233.i5H2XUR02533@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Give up on _EXTENSIONS_ whatever that means. Yield is a function provided by a system library. 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We used to modify our copies of Solaris gcc to define it by default. 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In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:11:42 -0400." References: <200406170233.i5H2XUR02533@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:35:26 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: SPAMCHECK.NET: neuromancer 1168; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=4.0 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=J_CHICKENPOX_12, J_CHICKENPOX_21, J_CHICKENPOX_56, J_CHICKENPOX_61 X-Spam-Level: **** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Give up on _EXTENSIONS_ whatever that means. > Yield is a function provided by a system library. > The right fix is to rename the one the Plan 9 libraries > are calling. #defining random things to make yield > disappear from view only makes the compiler think > there is no problem; it does not fix the problem. right. well put. thanks! done that, and seems things are ok again. that means, there are still a few things that fail, but they failed with a previous ports version in the same way. I'm sorry, but I simply do not see why or how they are failing, (maybe that's just because I don't know much about multi-threading?) so I'm posting this followup also to ask if someone has an explanation? Any insight would be appreciated. Axel. Details: the sort command called by ps sometimes gives me 'sort: note: sys: child' followed by Abort where does a SIGCHILD come from in this case? (I mean, I don't see a fork; is this from some thread related 'magic'?) when I do 'ls -lrt' I often get a bus error. it seems to be caused by an array bound read error in qsort (that's what purify and dbx tell me) but I miss to see how it is caused. In case it helps someone to understand (or explain) I'm including some purify output for the ls failure. Note: to avoid a name clash I slightly changed ls.c so line numbers will be off. Index: ls.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/src/cmd/ls.c,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -b -u -w -r1.2 ls.c --- ls.c 2004/05/11 17:51:27 1.2 +++ ls.c 2004/06/17 21:06:47 @@ -2,6 +2,8 @@ #include #include +#define dirbuf p9dirbuf + typedef struct NDir NDir; struct NDir { **** Purify instrumented o.ls (pid 17460 at Thu Jun 17 21:44:30 2004) * Purify 2003a.06.00 Solaris 2 (32-bit) Copyright (C) 1992-2003 Rational Soft ware Corp. All rights reserved. * For contact information type: "purify -help" * For TTY output, use the option "-windows=no" * Command-line: ./o.ls -lrt * Options settings: -purify \ -purify-home=/local/user/belinfan/puredemo/Rational/releases/purify.sol.200 3a.06.00 \ -cache-dir=/local/user/belinfan/puredemo/Rational/releases/purify.sol.2003a .06.00/cache \ -threads=yes -use-internal-locks=yes -thread_stack_change=0x4000 \ -mt_safe_malloc=yes -language=english * License successfully checked out. * Command-line: ./o.ls -lrt **** Purify instrumented o.ls (pid 17460) **** ABR: Array bounds read: * This is occurring while in: compar [ls.c:262] qsort [libc.so.1] output [ls.c:147] ls [ls.c:122] p9main [ls.c:78] main [main.c:12] * Reading 4 bytes from 0xce190 in the heap. * Address 0xce190 is 8 bytes before start of malloc'd block at 0xce198 of 188 8 bytes. * This block was allocated from: malloc [rtlib.o] realloc [rtlib.o] growto [ls.c:249] ls [ls.c:115] p9main [ls.c:78] main [main.c:12] **** Purify instrumented o.ls (pid 17460) **** COR: Fatal core dump: * This is occurring while in: _p1553static [rtlib.o] _p1243static [rtlib.o] compar [ls.c:269] qsort [libc.so.1] * Received signal 11 (SIGSEGV - Segmentation Fault) * Faulting address = 0xffbf0000 * Signal mask: (SIGSEGV) * Pending signals: dbx output of a similar crash (but different run): (/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6/bin/sparcv9/dbx) run -lrt Running: o.ls -lrt (process id 18217) t@1 (l@1) signal BUS (invalid address alignment) in compar at line 269 in file "ls.c" 269 i = bd->mtime-ad->mtime; (/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6/bin/sparcv9/dbx) up 0xff14b7ec: qsort+0x010c: jmpl %i5, %o7 (/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6/bin/sparcv9/dbx) up Current function is output 147 qsort(dirbuf, ndir, sizeof dirbuf[0], (int (*)(const void*, const void*))compar); (/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6/bin/sparcv9/dbx) where current thread: t@1 [1] compar(a = 0x48b98, b = 0x48ba8), line 269 in "ls.c" [2] qsort(0x48ba8, 0x8, 0x48b98, 0x48c10, 0x49318, 0x187f8), at 0xff14b7ec =>[3] output(), line 147 in "ls.c" [4] ls(s = 0x3dd50 ".", multi = 0), line 122 in "ls.c" [5] p9main(argc = 0, argv = 0xffbec864), line 78 in "ls.c" [6] main(0x2, 0xffbec85c, 0xffbec868, 0x3d000, 0x0, 0x0), at 0x1aec8 (/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6/bin/sparcv9/dbx) print ndirbuf ndirbuf = 239 (/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6/bin/sparcv9/dbx) print ndir ndir = 239 (/opt/SUNWspro/bin/../WS6/bin/sparcv9/dbx) From brian_spivey_sm@inf.fu-berlin.de Fri Jun 18 16:56:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 13:07:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0f5663f0_c0dd_11d8_88d3_00304828b574_6237; 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X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > Fine, give up on Sun OS. > someday i am confident that ericsson will. my part of ericsson is already replacing it in the target hardware. perhaps the desktop is not far behind? until then i can live with using the ''old ports'' of plan9 programs. bengt From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Fri Jun 18 20:07:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 18:20:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac57fa1c_c108_11d8_98fc_00304828b574_28069; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97CF345021 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ac1c6006_c108_11d8_8df6_00304828b574_28066; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C5AF97580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2B47580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id abe208fc_c108_11d8_9089_00304828b574_28063; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73482345021 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ab24f0b4_c108_11d8_996b_00304828b574_28060; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:19:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AB7F719E61 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 02AC919D9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16924-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B9D119D81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BbFMr-0005qg-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:09:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:05:55 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl>, Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Russ Cox wrote: > Give up on _EXTENSIONS_ whatever that means. do you mean: do not define _EXTENSIONS_ or stop removing define _EXTENSIONS_ ? hint: the latter is correct :-) > Yield is a function provided by a system library. > The right fix is to rename the one the Plan 9 libraries > are calling. #defining random things to make yield > disappear from view only makes the compiler think > there is no problem; it does not fix the problem. this is correct. yield() is not visible in the headerfiles (unless _EXTENSIONS_ is defined). however, the sun linker (in my case: Solaris Link Editors: 5.8-1.283) will make programs without _EXTENSIONS_ defined call yield() anyway. bengt From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Fri Jun 18 20:07:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 18:20:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb541b0e_c108_11d8_9e68_00304828b574_28856; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACFC345022 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bb1a8510_c108_11d8_9e15_00304828b574_28853; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id EA4137580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944FA7580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bad7d86e_c108_11d8_9601_00304828b574_28850; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BEF5345022 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ba071d5a_c108_11d8_84a9_00304828b574_28847; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:20:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A085F19E8C for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:20:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3526219D9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21700-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 09F2919D85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BbFMs-0005qs-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:09:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:06:16 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , <200406172135.i5HLZQQ18405@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Axel Belinfante wrote: >>Give up on _EXTENSIONS_ whatever that means. >>Yield is a function provided by a system library. >>The right fix is to rename the one the Plan 9 libraries >>are calling. #defining random things to make yield >>disappear from view only makes the compiler think >>there is no problem; it does not fix the problem. > > > right. well put. thanks! > done that, and seems things are ok again. > that means, there are still a few things that fail, > but they failed with a previous ports version in > the same way. > I'm sorry, but I simply do not see why or how they > are failing, (maybe that's just because I don't know > much about multi-threading?) so I'm posting this > followup also to ask if someone has an explanation? > Any insight would be appreciated. > > Axel. > > Details: > > > the sort command called by ps sometimes gives me > 'sort: note: sys: child' followed by Abort > where does a SIGCHILD come from in this case? > (I mean, I don't see a fork; is this from some > thread related 'magic'?) > > > when I do 'ls -lrt' I often get a bus error. > it seems to be caused by an array bound read error > in qsort (that's what purify and dbx tell me) > but I miss to see how it is caused. > > > In case it helps someone to understand (or explain) > I'm including some purify output for the ls failure. > Note: to avoid a name clash I slightly changed ls.c > so line numbers will be off. i have not experienced any name clash. i have not changed ''dirbuf''. i do not get any bus error from ''ls''. an hypotetical reason for the bus error as described by you would be that the real size of dirbuf is smaller than the ''book keeping size'' (ndir). despite the attempt to make this possible (dirbuf gets it size changes independent of the changes to ndir), there is no place in the code where ndir can be bigger than the real size. as far as i can see. bengt From davel@anvil.com Fri Jun 18 20:07:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 18:24:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 432b7f7c_c109_11d8_9236_00304828b574_31952; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F184C345043 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42f82776_c109_11d8_9604_00304828b574_31949; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D22F37580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A577580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42b5f8f6_c109_11d8_8085_00304828b574_31946; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909CA345043 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4203ce6a_c109_11d8_86dc_00304828b574_31875; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:24:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C86D119E3D for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:24:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4880319AC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16924-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CBF41199E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 47B3C7187; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:29:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EBD9708E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:29:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F227017297 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:23:09 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40D2B3ED.4020301@anvil.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:20:45 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash References: <2c0570d90e9065dec3913f1726e373eb@vitanuova.com> In-Reply-To: <2c0570d90e9065dec3913f1726e373eb@vitanuova.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu rog@vitanuova.com wrote: >>... but grep understands \\:-). > > > and...? ... and you can do: grep \\-... >>> rm ./$1 >>> >>>isn't correct. >> >>Why not? > > > 'cos you might want to give an argument that's not relative > to the current directory? In which case you say rm /.... and there's no '-' problem, right? DaveL. From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Fri Jun 18 20:07:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 18:28:11 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d0ce1358_c109_11d8_82db_00304828b574_2940; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:28:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141E53446CE for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:28:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d049ae10_c109_11d8_8ab5_00304828b574_2895; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:28:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 19ED77580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:28:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F357580FE for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:28:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf01b30e_c109_11d8_9ad9_00304828b574_2776; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:28:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354BD345051 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:27:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4ec593c_c109_11d8_97c7_00304828b574_2176; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:27:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 44D7919DAA for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:27:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23ED519A6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13366-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23A8319DAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BbFMs-0005qm-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:09:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:06:05 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406170233.i5H2XUR02533@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca>, <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Axel Belinfante wrote: ...deleted > Just leaving on __EXTENSIONS__ and fixing yield in a different > way seems for me the easy way out. it is not the easy way out. it is the correct way. sun-os have a yield(). when writing plan9port programs we want the plan9 yield(). imho, the problem is with plan9/src/libthread/fdwait.c . it has a call to plan9 yield(), but still #define NOPLAN9DEFINES. perhaps i have misunderstod the use of NOPLAN9DEFINES? i interpret it to mean ''use the normal os version of everything that has the same name in plan9''. what is the real meaning? bengt From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Fri Jun 18 20:07:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 18:34:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6f4e5a6_c10a_11d8_8e1b_00304828b574_8141; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5424345077 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6bd6b76_c10a_11d8_9179_00304828b574_8107; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B752D7580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610727580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a674bbba_c10a_11d8_9607_00304828b574_8072; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA8A345077 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5ba7b7e_c10a_11d8_80f8_00304828b574_7997; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:34:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 904C519E47 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:34:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F2E6819A6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23343-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AA884199E6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7F424FD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 30F0B28; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:33:44 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? Message-ID: <20040618093344.GA85246@mero.morphisms.net> References: <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Fri, Jun 18, 2004 at 09:06:05AM +0000, Bengt Kleberg wrote: > to plan9 yield(), but still #define NOPLAN9DEFINES. > perhaps i have misunderstod the use of NOPLAN9DEFINES? i interpret it to > mean ''use the normal os version of everything that has the same name in > plan9''. what is the real meaning? Don't munge the name space. It makes system prototypes visible; it does not dictate what one uses. From davel@anvil.com Fri Jun 18 20:07:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 18:41:59 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bec89762_c10b_11d8_901e_00304828b574_14103; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C855345114 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be9647bc_c10b_11d8_8d16_00304828b574_14097; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3BCAF7580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CAC7580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be50fafe_c10b_11d8_9717_00304828b574_14091; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BD5345114 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bda36b3c_c10b_11d8_8cf5_00304828b574_14085; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:41:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1CA5A19E89 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:41:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3435819CE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23358-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anvil.com (wonderwall.anvil.co.uk [194.193.52.253]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E510F19B2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by anvil.com (Postfix, from userid 27) id 116C4732E; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:47:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mother.anvil.com (mother [192.168.4.4]) by anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299C37189 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:47:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.4.64] (zevon [192.168.4.64]) by mother.anvil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE35517297 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:40:57 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <40D2B819.1020506@anvil.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:38:33 +0100 From: Dave Lukes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to delete directories prefixed with a dash References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > davel's-advocate? > Old joke. Someone at Morgan Stanley (Brian Redman IIRC) once enhanced my X-Face: with horns and a tail. D[ae]v[ei]L. 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In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:06:05 +0000." References: <200406170233.i5H2XUR02533@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca>, <200406170753.i5H7r4F23190@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Bengt reacted > Axel Belinfante wrote: > ...deleted > > Just leaving on __EXTENSIONS__ and fixing yield in a different > > way seems for me the easy way out. > > it is not the easy way out. it is the correct way. oops. sorry. I guess I used words that had more meaning attached to them then necessary. I agree with your comment; the following maybe closer resembles what I felt when I wrote the quoted sentence above. s/the easy way out/simplest, not necessarily least correct, solution/ whatever. I think (hope) we (more or less?) agree, anyway :-) Axel. (not a native speaker of english - does that make me native speaker of broken english? (which is not to be confused with english)) From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Fri Jun 18 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 18:52:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 309a6450_c10d_11d8_8ce5_00304828b574_23013; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADC534538A for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3067b578_c10d_11d8_82d3_00304828b574_23010; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AD2527580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6249D7580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 30265de4_c10d_11d8_9192_00304828b574_23007; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7097A34538A for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2f77b87a_c10d_11d8_9706_00304828b574_23004; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9DB7919EB1 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:52:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D255D19D82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16924-01-61 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 42CB819B2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 05:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5I9puxj016665 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:51:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5I9pudV001240 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:51:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5I9pue01332 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:51:56 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406180951.i5I9pue01332@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Now that I have the latest port running, I noticed that for some tcl/tk applications the menus that normally appear under the menu button now appear more to the left and the top. Anybody else seeing this or something similar? Axel. From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Fri Jun 18 20:07:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 19:18:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d00212a6_c110_11d8_9939_00304828b574_17273; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43B6B3450D3 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ce54ae32_c110_11d8_9c82_00304828b574_17222; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 406DE75810A; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D531C758108 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd7e17be_c110_11d8_8681_00304828b574_17185; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:18:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38D8344701 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:10:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aea18688_c10f_11d8_9b3a_00304828b574_7894; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:10:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 79D8E19FD2 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:10:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9C5CF19DAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23319-04-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA70B19E26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IA9ixj021500 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:09:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IA9idV008739 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:09:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5IA9fu01526 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:09:43 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406181009.i5IA9fu01526@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] any success with current plan9port on sunos5.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:06:16 +0000." References: , <200406172135.i5HLZQQ18405@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i have not experienced any name clash. > i have not changed ''dirbuf''. i > do not get any bus error from ''ls''. hmm. I guess I should do a fresh download and install, because it could be I broke something, or let things go out of sync (let things become inconsistent). regarding dirbuf: (from memory) while playing with debugging tools like purify - but it was another one, I think, one loader mentioned something like changing it(s size?) from 4 to 1000 . I think the other dirbuf was this one: libnsl.a 00001000 C dirbuf libnsl.so 000ac9d0 B dirbuf libnsl.so.1 000ac9d0 B dirbuf > an hypotetical reason for the bus error as described by you would be > that the real size of dirbuf is smaller than the ''book keeping size'' > (ndir). despite the attempt to make this possible (dirbuf gets it size > changes independent of the changes to ndir), there is no place in the > code where ndir can be bigger than the real size. as far as i can see. Maybe the fresh install cures this as well. As hack attempt I tried replacing the system qsort by the plan 9 one (by including it from ls.c) That did seem to make the problem go away. Axel. From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Fri Jun 18 20:07:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 19:55:06 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f53fa6dc_c115_11d8_8bce_00304828b574_17276; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7F734544F for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f50a0e0a_c115_11d8_923a_00304828b574_17240; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:05 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 919F37580FB; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D207580FA for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4c3107c_c115_11d8_8f7a_00304828b574_17233; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCEF34544F for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3eeb46c_c115_11d8_9bed_00304828b574_17128; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 19:55:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A71A619EAA for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:55:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8ECE419B89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28057-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D066C19B69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IAsexj003642 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IAsddV029006 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5IAsdK02502 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:39 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406181054.i5IAsdK02502@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ports rio tcl/tk menu-window placement errors? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:51:56 +0200." <200406180951.i5I9pue01332@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> References: <200406180951.i5I9pue01332@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I wrote: > Now that I have the latest port running, > I noticed that for some tcl/tk applications > the menus that normally appear under the menu button > now appear more to the left and the top. Moving or resizing the window cures it. > Anybody else seeing this or something similar? Of course it could be interference with some things I changed. Anyway, I noticed that the following change cured it. Could be that the same (similar?) change applied elsewhere would be a better fix - I did not investigate. Index: manage.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/src/cmd/rio/manage.c,v retrieving revision 1.10 diff -r1.10 manage.c * I can't find a way to have them notice during initdraw, so * I solve the problem this way instead. -rsc */ - if(c->is9term) + // if(c->is9term) sendconfig(c); return 1; } From tt.gustavsson@bredband.net Sat Jun 19 00:00:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 21:38:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5dde66a2_c124_11d8_94da_00304828b574_11853; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77E1345B0F for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d7359ac_c124_11d8_8726_00304828b574_11845; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 92E727580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB197580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ce15296_c124_11d8_9262_00304828b574_11774; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F94F345B0F for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5be7de82_c124_11d8_9acf_00304828b574_11702; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:38:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 48C3C19E82 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:38:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC62C19CB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24342-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04.bredband.com (mxfep04.bredband.com [195.54.107.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B03B919CAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04 ([195.54.107.79] [195.54.107.79]) by mxfep04.bredband.com with SMTP id <20040618123737.JWDE22270.mxfep04.bredband.com@mxfep04> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:37:37 +0200 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.13.1 (webedge20-101-1100-20040114) From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:37:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040618123737.JWDE22270.mxfep04.bredband.com@mxfep04> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pcauth kernel panic X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have followed the instructions for making a cpu kernel in the wiki. I downloaded the latest sources in /sys/src/9 ... I made a kernel with smp enabled and thought to use it in place of my working terminal, on a dual PPro machine, with fossil as a filesystem. Is this wrong to use fossil as the main filesystem on a cpu/auth, what kernel options needs to be put into the mk file for this to work (actually i would like to use the cpu server as a fileserver as well, but that will be another day). Anyway I setup a serial console that received the following messages when the new kernel was booting: Plan 9 cpu0: 200MHz GenueineIntel PentiumPro (cpuid: AX 0x0619 DX 0xFBFF) ELCR: 0800 cpu1: 200MHz GenueineIntel PentiumPro (cpuid: AX 0x0617 DX 0xFBFF) #l0: rtl8139: 10Mbps port 0x8000 irq 11: 0050FC8DC409 22565 free pages 90260K bytes, 730260 swap root is from (tcp, il, local)[local!#S/sdC0/fossil]: user[none]: bootes kfs...File system main inconsistent Would you like to ream it (y/n)? tag =panic: boot process died: sys: write on closed pipe pc=0x00006dfc Tnone; expected Tdir; addr = 2 kfs init 7: FID1 attach to root kfs 7: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x0 pc=0x0001cab3 vedumpstack rsion...panic: boot process died: sys: write on closed pipe pc=0x00006dfc ktrace /kernel/path 801067af 800099d4 estackx 80009c10 ......... It seems to me that he tries to mount a kfs file system, am i right? /Tony G From forsyth@terzarima.net Sat Jun 19 00:00:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 21:42:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fd22f106_c124_11d8_9043_00304828b574_15386; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:42:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C784345B26 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:42:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fcc41c1c_c124_11d8_9ed9_00304828b574_15381; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:42:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id F35CB7580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:42:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F6E7580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:42:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fc56f59c_c124_11d8_9e9b_00304828b574_15377; 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Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <64761a1bc32a2d4b3c7a723b184cbbab@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pcauth kernel panic From: Charles Forsyth Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:35:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040618123737.JWDE22270.mxfep04.bredband.com@mxfep04> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qhjiyvjduljttzpohgjrrrpmqq" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qhjiyvjduljttzpohgjrrrpmqq Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you might have a fossil partition, but the kernel seems to be starting kfs, which won't be too happy with a fossil partition. --upas-qhjiyvjduljttzpohgjrrrpmqq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Fri Jun 18 13:39:03 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACEA619DBB for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:38:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC62C19CB8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24342-01-91 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04.bredband.com (mxfep04.bredband.com [195.54.107.79]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B03B919CAB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxfep04 ([195.54.107.79] [195.54.107.79]) by mxfep04.bredband.com with SMTP id <20040618123737.JWDE22270.mxfep04.bredband.com@mxfep04> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:37:37 +0200 X-Mailer: Openwave WebEngine, version 2.8.13.1 (webedge20-101-1100-20040114) From: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:37:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040618123737.JWDE22270.mxfep04.bredband.com@mxfep04> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pcauth kernel panic X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu I have followed the instructions for making a cpu kernel in the wiki. I downloaded the latest sources in /sys/src/9 ... I made a kernel with smp enabled and thought to use it in place of my working terminal, on a dual PPro machine, with fossil as a filesystem. Is this wrong to use fossil as the main filesystem on a cpu/auth, what kernel options needs to be put into the mk file for this to work (actually i would like to use the cpu server as a fileserver as well, but that will be another day). Anyway I setup a serial console that received the following messages when the new kernel was booting: Plan 9 cpu0: 200MHz GenueineIntel PentiumPro (cpuid: AX 0x0619 DX 0xFBFF) ELCR: 0800 cpu1: 200MHz GenueineIntel PentiumPro (cpuid: AX 0x0617 DX 0xFBFF) #l0: rtl8139: 10Mbps port 0x8000 irq 11: 0050FC8DC409 22565 free pages 90260K bytes, 730260 swap root is from (tcp, il, local)[local!#S/sdC0/fossil]: user[none]: bootes kfs...File system main inconsistent Would you like to ream it (y/n)? tag =panic: boot process died: sys: write on closed pipe pc=0x00006dfc Tnone; expected Tdir; addr = 2 kfs init 7: FID1 attach to root kfs 7: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x0 pc=0x0001cab3 vedumpstack rsion...panic: boot process died: sys: write on closed pipe pc=0x00006dfc ktrace /kernel/path 801067af 800099d4 estackx 80009c10 ......... It seems to me that he tries to mount a kfs file system, am i right? /Tony G --upas-qhjiyvjduljttzpohgjrrrpmqq-- From t.lankots@aprote.ee Sat Jun 19 00:00:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 18 21:43:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 09632e68_c125_11d8_9c29_00304828b574_15590; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E163C345B25 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 092ae030_c125_11d8_99ae_00304828b574_15559; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:01 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C41857580FA; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:01 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B937580F9 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 08e8e5f4_c125_11d8_853a_00304828b574_15549; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF63345B25 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0815ec08_c125_11d8_8ee8_00304828b574_15414; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:43:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7E61519A25 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:42:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3861919A64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16267-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.aprote.ee (ns.aprote.ee [80.235.78.106]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69F8C19A0C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: Message by Barricade ns.aprote.ee with ESMTP id i5ICgc6a026976 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:42:38 +0300 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [9fans] pcauth kernel panic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:42:37 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6556.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [9fans] pcauth kernel panic Thread-Index: AcRVMS8t7Rn2wLOhSDua3bfY6mP2dAAADXqw From: "Tiit Lankots" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > It seems to me that he tries to mount a kfs file system, am i right? If you're using fossil, you need to add /386/bin/fossil/fossil into the boot directory also. See the end of the kernel configuration file. The files listed there get actually compiled _into_ the kernel and make a kind of "virtual" directory called /boot. 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In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:05:46 +0000." References: <2147483647.1087466890@d154-5-18-205.bchsia.telus.net>, From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Bengt wrote: > Russ Cox wrote: > > Fine, give up on Sun OS. (I'm unsure whether Russ refers to the plan 9 ports, or to the general case of porting 'portable code' to sun os which was in the message he replied to, I think) > someday i am confident that ericsson will. my part of ericsson is > already replacing it in the target hardware. > perhaps the desktop is not far behind? > until then i can live with using the ''old ports'' of plan9 programs. here there seems to be a move from sun to (dual boot) pc+linux(+windows). having a sun on my desk, when I have time I'm happy to have (and keep) recent ports working -- but living with ''old ports'' is an option too when time is lacking or problems seem too big, as I thought they were when I started this thread. 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I did have an own version where those > worked too, I'll find time to have a look at the differences. This seems to be it. Axel. Index: SunOS.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/plan9/src/cmd/9term/SunOS.c,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -b -u -w -r1.6 SunOS.c --- SunOS.c 2004/04/20 02:03:37 1.6 +++ SunOS.c 2004/06/18 12:53:07 @@ -67,7 +67,7 @@ if(debug) fprint(2, "israw %c%c\n", ttmode.c_lflag&ICANON ? 'c'cvs : 1 : '-', ttmode.c_lflag&ECHO ? 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From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Sat Jun 19 10:29:54 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 19 01:06:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c82a402_c141_11d8_90a2_00304828b574_8997; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013B5344B0B for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c4f007a_c141_11d8_893a_00304828b574_8994; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DC38C7580FA; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 801757580F9 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c05a2c2_c141_11d8_93b4_00304828b574_8991; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FF9344B0B for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b315c42_c141_11d8_9762_00304828b574_8988; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:06:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8AB2819EAE for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:06:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 74F8319E07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10048-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D73DB19E23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5IG6Cxj027806 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:06:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5IG6BdV008202 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:06:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5IG6BW06986 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:06:11 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406181606.i5IG6BW06986@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9term echo-disabling fix (for ssh, vncviewer) In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:04:24 +0200." <013a01c45545$8bf80c50$07fa7d50@SOMA> References: <200406181311.i5IDBLB05307@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> <013a01c45545$8bf80c50$07fa7d50@SOMA> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > - return (ttmode.c_lflag&(ICANON|ECHO)); > > + return (ttmode.c_lflag&(ICANON) && ttmode.c_lflag&(ECHO)); > > that's weird. 1st returns either: > > ICANON > ECHO > ICANON|ECHO > 2nd returns 0 [raw | raw and no echo] or 1 [not raw and echo]. the return value is interpreted as boolean, as in your ttyechoing routine (thanks for the pointer) (but the != 0 test is omitted here). for some reason (why? likely because matty's code did. why?) we are not only looking at ECHO but also at ICANON . Then, we must be careful to correctly deal with the case where we have [icanon and no echo] which is what ssh and vncviewer use when prompting for a password (shows up as: israw c- in the debug 9term output) The above seems to do the right thing in that case. The original would interpret [icanon] as a reason to echo, which is incorrect (or at least, does not hide the password that is typed). However, I guess with the above 9term does the wrong thing in the case where we have [no icanon and echo], because also then it does not echo. However, I'm less concerned about that. However, I'm the first to admit I know very little about termio(s). Axel. From boyd@insultant.net Sat Jun 19 10:29:55 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 19 02:00:55 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0fe28ef4_c149_11d8_977a_00304828b574_26096; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:00:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83AD344202 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0fa7c9fe_c149_11d8_907d_00304828b574_26092; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:00:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9EC61758101; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:00:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2CE7580FF for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:00:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 04a03c80_c149_11d8_8add_00304828b574_25906; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 02:00:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633BF344294 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:54:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32d422c0_c148_11d8_8d13_00304828b574_19041; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 01:54:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AE9C19FF5 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 35EE819D89 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19206-01-85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C845F19D94 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.7]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 907E2379FF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:54:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <018801c45554$b07a37b0$07fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200406181311.i5IDBLB05307@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> <013a01c45545$8bf80c50$07fa7d50@SOMA> <200406181606.i5IG6BW06986@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9term echo-disabling fix (for ssh, vncviewer) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:52:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Then, we must be careful to correctly deal with the case > where we have [icanon and no echo] which is what > ssh and vncviewer use when prompting for a password > (shows up as: israw c- in the debug 9term output) yup. get _all_ the cases right. > However, I'm the first to admit I know very little about termio(s). well, it's a mess & i've spent far too much time fighting it. ahh, turning off ICANON you then have to get VMIN and VTIME right iirc. VMIN should be 1 and VTIME should be some default to mean infinite to get V7 style RAW mode (but that's not even strictly true). From bwc@coraid.com Sun Jun 20 07:40:29 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 00:31:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c652539c_c205_11d8_8a07_00304828b574_4940; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DBB3447C8 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c6215be8_c205_11d8_9d92_00304828b574_4937; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:46 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 18DD47580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:46 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F787580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5e0f774_c205_11d8_936e_00304828b574_4934; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18BF3447C8 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c53327fc_c205_11d8_821d_00304828b574_4931; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:31:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10AF019E64 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:31:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BF13519E23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16381-02-97 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.coraid.com (unknown [68.215.131.216]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8002919E1E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3cd26f149a673c9df3b4d1be353031ed@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:24:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] how to listen to .wav files? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Anything under Plan9 allow that yet? Brantley From russcox@gmail.com Sun Jun 20 07:40:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 01:19:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6337de38_c20c_11d8_99b9_00304828b574_14841; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B803448F2 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62fd64ce_c20c_11d8_8358_00304828b574_14824; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3CE5C7580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B147580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 62bce782_c20c_11d8_9c57_00304828b574_14787; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EEA3448F2 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 620c5390_c20c_11d8_9982_00304828b574_14682; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:19:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E20C219E44 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:18:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E6E2519E25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29819-02-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.194]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id AB0D319DB5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so173941rni for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.73 with SMTP id p73mr29966rnb; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:18:40 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] how to listen to .wav files? In-Reply-To: <3cd26f149a673c9df3b4d1be353031ed@coraid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3cd26f149a673c9df3b4d1be353031ed@coraid.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Anything under Plan9 allow that yet? You could port sox (it compiles easily) and then convert most older wav files to 44100 pcm and redirect to /dev/audio. Wav is really just a generic type with lots of encodings. Older wav files are usually raw pcm at some speed, but recently I've seen wav files of other types like compressed audio. Russ From 9nut@9netics.com Sun Jun 20 07:40:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 01:40:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 531d1060_c20f_11d8_95e6_00304828b574_30890; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D72A43453ED for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52e9e780_c20f_11d8_865d_00304828b574_30887; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BACD17580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCAA7580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 52a92312_c20f_11d8_8a59_00304828b574_30848; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5A33453ED for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 51ed935e_c20f_11d8_92b2_00304828b574_30773; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:40:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6D6A119EE5 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:40:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ADB3719DFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07449-02-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 77A9019BB9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 12:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:39:47 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] The Mark V. Shaney challenge X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu How difficult would it be to write a variation of Mark V. Shaney that mimics the speechery* of GW Bush? What needs to be considered? * the type of word that you might hear from GW. 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Shaney challenge Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 18:49:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu check out 'jive'. i'm pretty sure it's pub domain. From 9nut@9netics.com Sun Jun 20 07:40:30 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 02:23:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 65c76142_c215_11d8_8a31_00304828b574_4662; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:23:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484C3443D1 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:23:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 658ff306_c215_11d8_995c_00304828b574_4657; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:23:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 96E06758104; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:23:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D067580FC for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:23:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 636be79c_c215_11d8_94c3_00304828b574_4620; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:23:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC61734442F for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:16:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6803749c_c214_11d8_923b_00304828b574_29190; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:16:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1B28219E9E for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D60FC19DE6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16902-02-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 224FC19B26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <60382927d9aa11e8d6f63c39cc45ed7a@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The Mark V. Shaney challenge Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:16:13 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <022d01c4561d$65904310$91fa7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > check out 'jive'. i'm pretty sure it's pub domain. It ain't jive. Check it out http://www.bushisms.com/index1a.html From boyd@insultant.net Sun Jun 20 07:40:31 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 02:49:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1455e118_c219_11d8_8ecf_00304828b574_24702; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EB334490A for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1423ca3e_c219_11d8_9ad8_00304828b574_24699; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 651317580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5E37580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13e44166_c219_11d8_9153_00304828b574_24696; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F68A34490A for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1338b2ec_c219_11d8_9fbe_00304828b574_24693; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:49:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6B91A19E70 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:49:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51C8719E01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04291-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1921019DD0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.145]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 365A0379CF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:49:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <024001c45625$78eb6d10$91fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <60382927d9aa11e8d6f63c39cc45ed7a@9netics.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] The Mark V. Shaney challenge Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:47:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > check out 'jive'. i'm pretty sure it's pub domain. > > It ain't jive. Check it out i know. i was suggesting using it as a code base to do bush-isms, dude. . From boyd@insultant.net Sun Jun 20 07:40:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 05:23:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 756ae7f4_c22e_11d8_94f2_00304828b574_26026; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:23:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF67B344951 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:22:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7526d992_c22e_11d8_994f_00304828b574_26023; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:22:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 653A17580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:22:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148167580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:22:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74c5558c_c22e_11d8_97f6_00304828b574_26020; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:22:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13425344951 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:22:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 740d04be_c22e_11d8_8415_00304828b574_26017; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:22:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0345519F77 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:21:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2FE4F19E6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10832-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AAA3319E64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.145]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C201378D3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:21:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <028701c4563a$cfacb270$91fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:19:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] pci X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu what does this mean? 0.0.0: 06.00.00 8086/7192 0 0.10.0: 03.00.00 10c8/0005 3 0:fd000008 16777216 1:fe800000 4194304 2:fec00000 1048576 0.12.0: 06.07.00 1180/0475 255 0.7.0: 06.01.00 8086/7110 0 0.7.1: 01.01.80 8086/7111 0 4:0000fcf1 16 0.7.2: 0c.03.00 8086/7112 255 4:0000fcc1 32 0.7.3: 06.80.00 8086/7113 0 0.8.0: 0c.00.10 104d/8039 255 0:fedff000 2048 1:fedffc00 512 0.9.0: 04.01.00 1073/0010 9 0:fedf0000 32768 1:0000fc41 64 2:0000fced 16 i'm trying to find my EC2T 32 bit pci bus ether card. -- MGRS 31U DQ 52572 12604 From russcox@gmail.com Sun Jun 20 07:40:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 05:44:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7966da18_c231_11d8_8827_00304828b574_10464; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7F7344A2D for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 781c76b8_c231_11d8_974d_00304828b574_10458; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:33 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6E0467580FC; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0977580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 76a24696_c231_11d8_92c6_00304828b574_10441; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0405344A2D for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 74425440_c231_11d8_9a6c_00304828b574_10423; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:44:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D795219EA0 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:44:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1115F19B16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10832-01-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id C3CCF19B0B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so334435rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.47 with SMTP id p47mr50289rnb; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 16:44:06 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] pci In-Reply-To: <028701c4563a$cfacb270$91fa7d50@SOMA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <028701c4563a$cfacb270$91fa7d50@SOMA> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > what does this mean? n.n.n pci bus location nn.nn.nn pci device class 01.* is disk 02.* is network 03.* is display 04.* is sound (multimedia) http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/sigops/roll_your_own/7.c.1.html xxxx/yyyy pci vendor and device id. 0x8086 is intel's vendor id. i'm not sure what the next column is. the rest of the line lists the mappable i/o spaces: type:addr size. i don't see your ec2t card in the list. russ From bwc@coraid.com Sun Jun 20 07:40:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 06:37:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ebf62816_c238_11d8_8f50_00304828b574_23335; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93D2A344171 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ebb68404_c238_11d8_958d_00304828b574_23330; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 38A967580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87725758107 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9e457be_c238_11d8_87b6_00304828b574_23298; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0DE344171 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:31:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1138acb2_c238_11d8_86c4_00304828b574_16554; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:31:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7397C19EAB for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE1AC19EA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10424-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [65.3.204.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4265419EA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <07944a96cdcc952105a740fa4c95b5f1@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:28:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] /mail/tmp/L.mbox X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu So, I'm using the filter pipeto which does upas/fs -f $TMP. I get the following error message that is the result of doing a dirwstat on the newly created L.mbox. What's up with that? Brantley atlas Jun 19 17:25:53 lock error: /mail/tmp/L.mbox: access permission denied From boyd@insultant.net Sun Jun 20 07:40:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 06:37:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee8b5ae2_c238_11d8_92b2_00304828b574_23358; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F214A344171 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ee514ac8_c238_11d8_8a68_00304828b574_23355; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2E32A7580FB; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A43E7580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id eb043c72_c238_11d8_82dc_00304828b574_23314; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:37:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7423443EA for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:33:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e88d7d6_c238_11d8_9223_00304828b574_18651; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 06:33:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00A6819EC9 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:33:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C0E4C19EA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29625-02-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8035B19EA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.145]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D85037981 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:33:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <02b901c45644$cdee5510$91fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <028701c4563a$cfacb270$91fa7d50@SOMA> Subject: Re: [9fans] pci Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:31:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i don't see your ec2t card in the list. thanks for the url. i don't see the damn thing either! From geoff@collyer.net Sun Jun 20 14:47:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 11:29:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8902d50_c261_11d8_8734_00304828b574_6571; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA1A344EF7 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a85b748e_c261_11d8_8a82_00304828b574_6568; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D49157580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFF57580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8164a12_c261_11d8_9d98_00304828b574_6565; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716D0344EF7 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a7578582_c261_11d8_8883_00304828b574_6561; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:29:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE6F319F61 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:28:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A4C0A199DB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00532-02-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAAD2199D2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55ce1a4cfb2abada89772d608d23f04d@collyer.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pci From: Geoff Collyer Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:28:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: <028701c4563a$cfacb270$91fa7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I thought all EC2T cards were PCMCIA. Is your card just an Ethernet card or does it have other stuff (e.g., a modem) on it? The bridges (type 6) can hide a multitude of sins, including all-in-one devices. Do #P/ioalloc and #P/irqalloc have anything interesting in them? Other clues to reading pci output: The first column is bus-number.slot-number.sub-device, where slot-number is rather loosely defined. The column Russ wasn't sure about (after vid/did) is irq. So I read your pci output as: host/pci bridge MagicMedia 256 AV vga controller at irq 3 pci/cardbus (pc card, pcmcia) bridge pci/isa bridge ide controller usb controller unknown bridge: PIIX4 power management firewire controller sound card at irq 9 From boyd@insultant.net Sun Jun 20 14:47:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 11:41:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5bef2b48_c263_11d8_922d_00304828b574_16072; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52254345151 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ba9db1a_c263_11d8_9702_00304828b574_16069; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 262067580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52E77580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5b6a9a90_c263_11d8_860c_00304828b574_16066; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20A5345159 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5aae719e_c263_11d8_936e_00304828b574_16057; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 11:41:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA57019AB3 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:41:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 086A619A6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 07090-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B82F919A2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 22:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.145]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F13E3797B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:41:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <031501c4566f$cbc7bd00$91fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <55ce1a4cfb2abada89772d608d23f04d@collyer.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] pci Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 04:39:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu thanks geoff. > I thought all EC2T cards were PCMCIA. it is. > Do #P/ioalloc and #P/irqalloc have anything interesting in them? i shall look. > pci/cardbus (pc card, pcmcia) bridge that's the one. From palazzol@comcast.net Sun Jun 20 14:47:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 12:52:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f3a4e3c_c26d_11d8_93c7_00304828b574_11521; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F76344F6F for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f01b57c_c26d_11d8_8990_00304828b574_11518; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:54 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E4B657580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984C97580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ec539da_c26d_11d8_9163_00304828b574_11515; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD9E344F6F for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4e126a80_c26d_11d8_848a_00304828b574_11512; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:52:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D3F919F6A for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:52:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6DB5219BEF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29612-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A18619BC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pagels (pcp02962521pcs.strl1201.mi.comcast.net[68.60.41.155]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2004062003515401300gh1qde>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:51:54 +0000 From: "Frank Palazzolo" Organization: Knarfian Labs To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:50:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <40D4D12A.28059.B281CB7@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] drawterm problem X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello, I'm trying to use drawterm on windows and/or linux to connect to my Plan9 cpu/auth server. I am trying to connect as bootes. The name and correct password are recognized but then I get the dreaded "Cannot authenticate with p9" message at that point. I have run auth/debug on the auth server and everything seems to work fine. /sys/log/auth seems clean. I searched the archives but haven't found a working solution yet. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Frank From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Sun Jun 20 14:47:04 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 13:34:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 186dc7b6_c273_11d8_91d8_00304828b574_16610; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E868344D6F for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 182c1c58_c273_11d8_8a47_00304828b574_16607; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AA9B17580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:18 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623317580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 17d058aa_c273_11d8_90e6_00304828b574_16604; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68134344D6F for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 171c7664_c273_11d8_9a95_00304828b574_16600; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 13:34:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A6CC719EEE for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:34:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3111219DFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13040-03-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 051A219DD3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <072773f9fd6195e937a27df69c18cbcd@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 00:33:52 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pci In-Reply-To: <55ce1a4cfb2abada89772d608d23f04d@collyer.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sat Jun 19 22:29:23 EDT 2004, geoff@collyer.net wrote: > ... > So I read your pci output as: > > host/pci bridge > MagicMedia 256 AV vga controller at irq 3 > pci/cardbus (pc card, pcmcia) bridge > > pci/isa bridge > ide controller > usb controller > unknown bridge: PIIX4 power management > > firewire controller > sound card at irq 9 the did for the pci/cardbus bridge (0x0475) isn't recognised in the pcard driver (devpccard.c) although it recognises 0x0476 and ox0478. you could try adding that in to the relevant tables in the driver and see if it works. 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X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Does anyone have a SATA hard drive working under Plan 9? I'm looking forward to using a 250GB or larger SATA hard drive in a venti server. 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This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Received: from [62.218.237.82] (helo=xeelnpl.edu) by paris.utanet.at with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BbubA-0001O2-00; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:10:32 +0200 From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:00:50 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Wir haben die Auslaender doch geholt?! 'Id:7879' Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Mail-SMTP V4.36 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bcc: >Zitat< aber auch meine Meinung: Als politisch interessierter und aktiver Mensch sieht man sich häufig mit typischen Standardaussagen von Systempolitikern, Medien, Lehrern, Verwandten, usw. konfrontiert. 'Wir haben die Auslaender doch geholt ...' Nein, WIR sind nie gefragt worden. Das Grosskapital hat Ende der 50er Jahre 100.000 Italiener als billige Arbeitskraefte ins Land geholt. 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Sie laesst auch keine oeffentliche Diskussion darueber zu. Ohne den Willen der Bevoelkerung ist eine massenhafte Einbuergerung von Auslaendern unrechtmaessig. Sie wuerde das deutsche Volk in seiner Eigenart stark veraendern, ggf. ausloeschen. From Mailer-Daemon@magda.utanet.at Sun Jun 20 14:47:05 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 14:11:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 479af2a2_c278_11d8_8953_00304828b574_13437; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A672C344617 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 476026ea_c278_11d8_8dd6_00304828b574_13434; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 98E707580FB; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451E47580FA for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4723556c_c278_11d8_87f7_00304828b574_13431; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AEC344649 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 464f1b8a_c278_11d8_9ee8_00304828b574_13422; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:11:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 503DC19ECB for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:11:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B84E319B6C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09750-02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taro.utanet.at (taro.utanet.at [213.90.36.45]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EDAC19C59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 01:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magda.utanet.at ([213.90.36.25]) by taro.utanet.at with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1BbubC-0003X7-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:10:34 +0200 Received: from mail by magda.utanet.at with local (Exim 4.12) id 1BbubC-0003oG-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:10:34 +0200 X-Failed-Recipients: "wbloedor"@pstore1.utanet.at From: Mail Delivery System To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 07:10:34 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: InternetLine , Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Dies ist eine automatisch generierte Nachricht. 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'Id:7879' Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Mail-SMTP V4.36 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bcc: >Zitat< aber auch meine Meinung: Als politisch interessierter und aktiver Mensch sieht man sich häufig mit typischen Standardaussagen von Systempolitikern, Medien, Lehrern, Verwandten, usw. konfrontiert. 'Wir haben die Auslaender doch geholt ...' Nein, WIR sind nie gefragt worden. Das Grosskapital hat Ende der 50er Jahre 100.000 Italiener als billige Arbeitskraefte ins Land geholt. Schon damals ergaben Meinungsumfragen unter der Bevoelkerung, dass 72% diese Massnahmen fuer falsch halten. Die Politiker haben das aber tatkraeftig unterstuetzt. Die Industrie wollte lieber niedrige Loehne zahlen, als in technische Rationalisierung zu investieren (wie z.B. in Japan geschehen), als Arbeitskraefte noch Mangelware waren. Dem Volk wurde weisgemacht, die Auslaender kaemen als Gastarbeiter, d.h., sie wuerden nach einer bestimmten Zeit wieder gehen. So steht es auch im Anwerbevertrag mit der Tuerkei in §10. Der eigentliche Massenzustrom von auslaendischen Wirtschaftsfluechtlingen und Asylanten setzte erst in den 70er Jahren ein, als bei uns schon die erste Million Arbeitslose zu verzeichnen war. Heute sprechen sich - nach bekannten Umfragen - 80% der deutschen Bevoelkerung fuer eine Rueckfuehrung aus. Unsere Demokratie ignoriert dies nicht nur, sondern verunglimpft diesen Wunsch als 'Auslaenderfeindlichkeit' und 'Stammtischmentalitaet'. Sie laesst auch keine oeffentliche Diskussion darueber zu. Ohne den Willen der Bevoelkerung ist eine massenhafte Einbuergerung von Auslaendern unrechtmaessig. Sie wuerde das deutsche Volk in seiner Eigenart stark veraendern, ggf. ausloeschen. From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Sun Jun 20 18:34:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 15:13:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f0b39df0_c280_11d8_88a4_00304828b574_3059; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 542A8344D6A for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f0739282_c280_11d8_97db_00304828b574_3053; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 31F587580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B577580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f03a8992_c280_11d8_9a7f_00304828b574_3047; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7EE9344D6A for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ef79c144_c280_11d8_8314_00304828b574_3041; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:13:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A72D719EF3 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:13:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C532D19B60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19971-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0B44B19E7A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <654bf4d1971709e9f023af1232c651c0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 02:12:59 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Support for SATA hard drives. In-Reply-To: <20040620045004.GB8281@0xfe.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun Jun 20 00:46:50 EDT 2004, vthacker@0xfe.org wrote: > Does anyone have a SATA hard drive working under Plan 9? I'm looking > forward to using a 250GB or larger SATA hard drive in a venti server. > I figure someone must have given this idea some thought, but I haven't > heard it discussed anywhere. > > --Vester Thacker The controllers look to all intents and purposes just like regular ATA controllers (unless you want to initialise them from scratch), so there's not much to do other than make sure the controller is recognised by the driver. There's one there alraeady: devi% grep SATA /sys/src/9/pc/sdata.c case (0x3149<<16)|0x1106: /* VIA VT8237 SATA/RAID */ devi% and it has on it devi# cat /dev/sdC0/ctl inquiry ST380013AS config 0C5A capabilities 2F00 dma 00550040 dmactl 00550040 rwm 16 rwmctl 0 lba48always off geometry 156301488 512 16383 16 63 part data 0 156301488 devi# From vthacker@0xfe.org Sun Jun 20 18:34:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 16:53:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3ee3602_c28e_11d8_9f41_00304828b574_21607; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A05344B0E for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f39a50be_c28e_11d8_96d5_00304828b574_21604; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6A6147580FA; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205F97580F9 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f35931f6_c28e_11d8_84c1_00304828b574_21601; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3019D344B0E for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f2ab692c_c28e_11d8_88e7_00304828b574_21598; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:53:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3B4E519F4A for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:53:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F173219D68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24011-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.0xfe.org (pc-211-8-214-187.ctktv.ne.jp [211.8.214.187]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8693319CD6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 03:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vthacker by ns.0xfe.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BbxCE-0002CW-Rn for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:56:58 +0900 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:56:58 +0900 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Support for SATA hard drives. Message-ID: <20040620075658.GA8451@0xfe.org> References: <20040620045004.GB8281@0xfe.org> <654bf4d1971709e9f023af1232c651c0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <654bf4d1971709e9f023af1232c651c0@plan9.bell-labs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i From: Vester Thacker X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun, Jun 20, 2004 at 02:12:59AM -0400, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > The controllers look to all intents and purposes just like regular ATA > controllers (unless you want to initialise them from scratch), so there's > not much to do other than make sure the controller is recognised by the > driver. There's one there alraeady: > > devi% grep SATA /sys/src/9/pc/sdata.c > case (0x3149<<16)|0x1106: /* VIA VT8237 SATA/RAID */ > devi% > > and it has on it > > devi# cat /dev/sdC0/ctl > inquiry ST380013AS > config 0C5A capabilities 2F00 dma 00550040 dmactl 00550040 rwm 16 rwmctl 0 lba48always off > geometry 156301488 512 16383 16 63 > part data 0 156301488 > devi# Thanks, Jim. I'm glad to see that the VT8237 is supported. --Vester From brucee@chunder.com Sun Jun 20 19:28:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 20 18:52:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93d26250_c29f_11d8_8da7_00304828b574_27582; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7CA344B73 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 93806400_c29f_11d8_91a8_00304828b574_27579; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 9E4C27580FB; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544CC7580FA for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 933f3110_c29f_11d8_897a_00304828b574_27576; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6634E344B73 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9292e82e_c29f_11d8_9d05_00304828b574_27567; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:52:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F92319F16 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:52:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C663119EF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00759-02-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wmail.atlantic.net (wmail.atlantic.net [209.208.112.158]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 59FA419DC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 05:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32223 invoked by uid 89); 20 Jun 2004 09:52:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.130?) (brucee@chunder.com@61.9.198.183) by wmail.atlantic.net with SMTP; 20 Jun 2004 09:52:20 -0000 Message-ID: <40D55F4C.7080706@chunder.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 19:56:28 +1000 From: Bruce Ellis User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Support for SATA hard drives. References: <654bf4d1971709e9f023af1232c651c0@plan9.bell-labs.com> In-Reply-To: <654bf4d1971709e9f023af1232c651c0@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu yep. SATA works fine (for me anyway). brucee jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > On Sun Jun 20 00:46:50 EDT 2004, vthacker@0xfe.org wrote: > >>Does anyone have a SATA hard drive working under Plan 9? I'm looking >>forward to using a 250GB or larger SATA hard drive in a venti server. >>I figure someone must have given this idea some thought, but I haven't >>heard it discussed anywhere. >> >>--Vester Thacker > > > The controllers look to all intents and purposes just like regular ATA > controllers (unless you want to initialise them from scratch), so there's > not much to do other than make sure the controller is recognised by the > driver. From russcox@gmail.com Mon Jun 21 13:05:59 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 01:45:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45524a16_c2d9_11d8_8a69_00304828b574_23055; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109D1344838 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 45195b34_c2d9_11d8_8f05_00304828b574_23050; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E06447580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:42 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1EE7580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 44dada44_c2d9_11d8_9801_00304828b574_23044; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA833344838 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 442c10ea_c2d9_11d8_9309_00304828b574_23041; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:45:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96CD419CF8 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:45:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 51AB619BC5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15621-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.193]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id BF4A519B51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so350159rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.92.49 with SMTP id p49mr139136rnb; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 09:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 12:45:21 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] new code in cvs for plan9ports; not in web tarball X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I pushed some new code out to CVS for Plan 9 ports. It's mostly bug fixes, but there are four things of note: 0. X11 programs look in .Xresources for geometry if winsize (-W) hasn't been specified, thanks to Peter Canning. 1. When you plumb to acme under rio and rio makes it top, it also makes it active, so you can start typing without selecting the window first. 2. Sam respects plumbing now, thanks to Presotto. 3. Acme and 9term windows scroll in response to scroll wheel mice, thanks to Rob. CHANGES has the full list. I have only been able to test this on Linux and FreeBSD. Usually I test on Mac too, but my Mac test box isn't available at the moment. Because of this, I've only updated CVS and have not generated a new tarball for the web page. Usually I'd wait until I'd gotten to test on Mac before putting anything out, but I'm going to be just barely online for the next seven weeks and wanted to get these changes out for people to try. As usual, I'll gladly take bug reports. 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References: From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:08:43 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I pushed some new code out to CVS for Plan 9 ports. > It's mostly bug fixes, but there are four things of note: Cool! > 0. X11 programs look in .Xresources for geometry if > winsize (-W) hasn't been specified, thanks to Peter Canning. Nice! Just a thought: would it make sense to also support (for a more 'seamless' integration in the X11 world) some of the common X11 command line options, like -display and -geometry or would the multi-character nature of them completely 'conflict' with the plan 9 way of doing things? (I can understand arguments pro and contra, I just thought it could be nice to raise the issue, once) (w.r.t. the small cleanup feedback I promised in another mail: it's nothing more than the usual s/nil/0/ things, together with an #undef sun before doing #define sun ... in the astro stuff. I'll see that I get to it, but right now I'm having a little fun playing with purify - and a short retry hunting for the warp-below-window bug in acme - unless someone tells me it is already fixed ) Axel. 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Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21135-02-43 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8922219B52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 12899671EB for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:07:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <006b01c45702$02179eb0$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <072773f9fd6195e937a27df69c18cbcd@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] pci Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 22:05:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i added these mods to devpccard.c and the ether card comes to life, but isn't recognised. small amount of progress: 25a26,28 > VAIO_vid = 0x1180, > VAIO_PCG_N505SN_did = 0x0475, > 62a66 > { VAIO_vid, VAIO_PCG_N505SN_did, "Sony VAIO PCG-N505SN Cardbus Controller", }, From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Mon Jun 21 13:06:01 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:36:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8a5ff6d8_c2f9_11d8_910e_00304828b574_23944; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:36:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B390119E74 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:36:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A51BB19CE9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11844-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87F3219CBE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <57f08df0004c8d509e4bd4fff1b1a0d7@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 16:36:12 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pci In-Reply-To: <006b01c45702$02179eb0$08fa7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun Jun 20 16:08:05 EDT 2004, boyd@insultant.net wrote: > i added these mods to devpccard.c and the ether card comes to life, but isn't recognised. > > small amount of progress: > > 25a26,28 > > VAIO_vid = 0x1180, > > VAIO_PCG_N505SN_did = 0x0475, > > > 62a66 > > { VAIO_vid, VAIO_PCG_N505SN_did, "Sony VAIO PCG-N505SN Cardbus Controller", }, so what does pci say after that? From boyd@insultant.net Mon Jun 21 13:06:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 06:02:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b9d4698_c2fd_11d8_9bb3_00304828b574_12696; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:02:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0091B345448 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:02:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b6bab6a_c2fd_11d8_9f65_00304828b574_12693; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:02:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D7A717580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:02:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9470A7580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:02:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1b2f8266_c2fd_11d8_9cf0_00304828b574_12690; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:02:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FA1345448 for ; 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Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00a701c45709$931ba080$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <57f08df0004c8d509e4bd4fff1b1a0d7@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] pci Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:00:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu i'm beginning to feel like taylor having to cross the room and use one prgram loader and one o/s to get this data ... 0.0.0: 06.00.00 8086/7192 0 0.10.0: 03.00.00 10c8/0005 3 0:fd000008 16777216 1:fe800000 4194304 2:fec00000 1048576 0.12.0: 06.07.00 1180/0475 9 0.7.0: 06.01.00 8086/7110 0 0.7.1: 01.01.80 8086/7111 0 4:0000fcf1 16 0.7.2: 0c.03.00 8086/7112 255 4:0000fcc1 32 0.7.3: 06.80.00 8086/7113 0 0.8.0: 0c.00.10 104d/8039 255 0:fedff000 2048 1:fedffc00 512 0.9.0: 04.01.00 1073/0010 9 0:fedf0000 32768 1:0000fc41 64 2:0000fced 16 32.0.0: 02.00.00 13d1/ab02 9 0:00000401 256 1:04001000 1024 the 32.0.0 looks interesting. and, iirc, 02 means network card From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Mon Jun 21 13:06:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 07:03:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c80e3a2_c305_11d8_85cc_00304828b574_32161; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:03:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE8234418B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:03:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9c1e86bc_c305_11d8_8a4f_00304828b574_32120; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:03:06 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6F3647580FB; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:03:05 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFEB7758101 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:03:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 990670ca_c305_11d8_94c5_00304828b574_31733; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:03:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8026C34418B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:58:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e84d4cf4_c304_11d8_93a5_00304828b574_26325; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:58:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4AB0219D5F for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:58:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D005319D04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25770-01-20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (plan9.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3FFC19CEE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <874e85cc6432eef5463751aed8ab000e@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:57:42 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pci In-Reply-To: <00a701c45709$931ba080$08fa7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >32.0.0: 02.00.00 13d1/ab02 9 0:00000401 256 1:04001000 1024 According to the list I have, that is V 13D1 Abocom Systems Inc D AB02 Ethernet Controller A search seems to indicate it is a Digital 2114x of some kind, I think an AMDtek. Try this in ether2114x.c: after CentaurP = (0x0985<<16)|0x1317, add ADMtek = (0xAB02<<16)|0x13D1, and then wherever you see CentaurP in the code (I count 4 places) make it apply to ADMtek too (i.e. CentaurP and ADMtek are the same variant of the 2114x). From russcox@gmail.com Mon Jun 21 13:06:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 07:15:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d693c18_c307_11d8_9486_00304828b574_9389; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7244B3449A9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d308094_c307_11d8_9efd_00304828b574_9381; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4BA0C7580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051AB7580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4cec492e_c307_11d8_942a_00304828b574_9376; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099F63449A3 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4c373a7a_c307_11d8_8f1c_00304828b574_9335; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:15:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 425B319DC5 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 443B119C75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29452-01-19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.200]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 0465E19C48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id d19so355482rnf for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.9.50 with SMTP id 50mr97712rni; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 15:14:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:54 -0400 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] new code in cvs for plan9ports; not in web tarball In-Reply-To: <200406201908.i5KJ8hn26197@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200406201908.i5KJ8hn26197@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Nice! > Just a thought: would it make sense to also support > (for a more 'seamless' integration in the X11 world) > some of the common X11 command line options, like > -display and -geometry or would the multi-character > nature of them completely 'conflict' with the plan 9 > way of doing things? > (I can understand arguments pro and contra, I just > thought it could be nice to raise the issue, once) these options are fundamentally at odds with the plan 9 way of parsing options. russ From boyd@insultant.net Mon Jun 21 13:06:02 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 07:35:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 162f1ad0_c30a_11d8_9155_00304828b574_25284; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:35:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0C63449C9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:35:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14d94020_c30a_11d8_9399_00304828b574_25130; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:35:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 56DA07580F9; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:35:06 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE717580FE for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:35:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 14085956_c30a_11d8_978e_00304828b574_25091; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:35:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A11434444C for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:34:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0bbd76e6_c30a_11d8_9743_00304828b574_24615; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:34:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8165B19EC3 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:34:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7316819CE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06495-01-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43B4619CB7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 12E2967109 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:34:30 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00e001c45716$7f4bfd40$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <874e85cc6432eef5463751aed8ab000e@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] pci Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:32:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I think an AMDtek. Try this in ether2114x.c: > > after > CentaurP = (0x0985<<16)|0x1317, > add > ADMtek = (0xAB02<<16)|0x13D1, no joy. but you mean A[davanced] M[icro] D[evices] right? not ADM? 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thank you kindly. matt From vdharani@infernopark.com Mon Jun 21 13:06:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 10:04:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e44b82dc_c31e_11d8_97f7_00304828b574_24227; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCB73446DF for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e370732c_c31e_11d8_961e_00304828b574_24135; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3EF4A758107; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704B27580FA for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e28a0bbc_c31e_11d8_9674_00304828b574_24016; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:04:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFF6F3446DF for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:03:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dcc50772_c31e_11d8_8edc_00304828b574_23827; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:03:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 19F7A19E4A for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:03:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 950E719E28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02756-02-13 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plain.rackshack.net (unknown [207.44.192.47]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3928619E1F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 21:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.infernopark.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by plain.rackshack.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5L6Alam007363 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:10:47 -0500 Received: from 192.11.226.116 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vdharani@infernopark.com) by www.infernopark.com with HTTP; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:10:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <48543.192.11.226.116.1087798247.squirrel@www.infernopark.com> In-Reply-To: <4e24f2fa04062017494110b620@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e24f2fa04062017494110b620@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 01:10:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: [9fans] using dvd/rw as WORM drive for venti on USB interface From: vdharani@infernopark.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > does anyone have any hints they can give about how to config > and use a usb interface to drive this kind of mass storage > device under plan9? as far as i know, usb mass storage devices are not supported in plan 9 ye= t. thanks dharani From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Mon Jun 21 13:06:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 12:02:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e7676cc_c32f_11d8_83de_00304828b574_29078; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41033450F6 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e43d8a2_c32f_11d8_8bae_00304828b574_29075; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8AB407580FB; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:55 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FEC7580FA for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7e0733fc_c32f_11d8_991e_00304828b574_29072; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5559D3450F6 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d5b2b5c_c32f_11d8_9192_00304828b574_29068; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:02:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E3DB019F1D for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:02:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9732D19C4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22867-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 846BB19C0E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0c7ac2dddbcc11fb4a85d25937af7253@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:02:32 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] pci In-Reply-To: <00e001c45716$7f4bfd40$08fa7d50@SOMA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Sun Jun 20 18:34:56 EDT 2004, boyd@insultant.net wrote: > > I think an AMDtek. Try this in ether2114x.c: > > > > after > > CentaurP = (0x0985<<16)|0x1317, > > add > > ADMtek = (0xAB02<<16)|0x13D1, > > no joy. but you mean A[davanced] M[icro] D[evices] right? > > not ADM? www.admtek.com.tw From boyd@insultant.net Mon Jun 21 13:06:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 12:11:07 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a383e750_c330_11d8_9eaf_00304828b574_3554; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B45F345490 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a34d90ec_c330_11d8_845e_00304828b574_3517; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2D1E57580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41F47580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a30a89a0_c330_11d8_865c_00304828b574_3507; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D76345490 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a25cc96e_c330_11d8_8fd3_00304828b574_3438; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:11:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E0A6C19F2F for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:11:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACAB619EC1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12220-02-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BC4719C4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 40A4367114 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:10:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <016001c4573d$06d37740$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <0c7ac2dddbcc11fb4a85d25937af7253@plan9.bell-labs.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] pci Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 05:08:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > www.admtek.com.tw i shall sam to death AMD into ADM. yes, this sounds like the card i have. tough fucker. it has a bend in it, but is still works fine. nice card; no dongle and lots of useful leds. cheap too. From matthias@mteege.de Mon Jun 21 20:56:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 15:46:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id afee0a70_c34e_11d8_9b92_00304828b574_29771; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0750E344D83 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id afb6388e_c34e_11d8_96ca_00304828b574_29765; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BC3637580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090BE7580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id af1ea122_c34e_11d8_9e34_00304828b574_29697; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125D1344D83 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ae6cf4b8_c34e_11d8_8cc0_00304828b574_29592; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:46:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 634E619F07 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:45:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C47B119F05 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06472-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one.mteege.de (unknown [82.149.227.10]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 45CE919F07 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 78244 invoked by uid 66); 21 Jun 2004 06:45:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 38910 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jun 2004 06:42:18 -0000 Received: from gic.mteege.de (HELO mteege.de) (192.168.153.10) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 06:42:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 17845 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2004 06:36:53 -0000 Received: from loco.mteege.de (HELO loco) (192.168.153.22) by 0 with SMTP; 21 Jun 2004 06:36:53 -0000 Message-ID: <0f20f5dfb13fe2a5846eb7c118f829e1@mteege.de> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:41:50 0000 From: Matthias Teege To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] drawterm ssl X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias@mteege.de, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Moin, I try to connect to my cpu server with drawterm-ssl but how do I configure SSL on the server side? Matthias From nemo@lsub.org Mon Jun 21 20:56:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 16:32:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ca6da8c_c355_11d8_9e22_00304828b574_6518; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC30234421D for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2c40ec72_c355_11d8_86e5_00304828b574_6514; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 400D675810F; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B56758102 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 264fa6f0_c355_11d8_9c30_00304828b574_6422; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:32:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546DF34459B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:25:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37fc629a_c354_11d8_828c_00304828b574_30966; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:25:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4F13119F0A for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:25:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EEAA19EA3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14143-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DD6B19A15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 03:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <77bbf16a139f22b1952fc89b061b30f2@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] /mail/tmp/L.mbox From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:25:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <07944a96cdcc952105a740fa4c95b5f1@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ybyylawqfqitakmvdxdddttjzm" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ybyylawqfqitakmvdxdddttjzm Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you mount a tmp in your pipeto? Do you have +w access to /mail/tmp? --upas-ybyylawqfqitakmvdxdddttjzm Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by aquamar; Sat Jun 19 23:31:38 MDT 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9662719EB3 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE1AC19EA2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10424-01-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [65.3.204.199]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4265419EA4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <07944a96cdcc952105a740fa4c95b5f1@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 17:28:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] /mail/tmp/L.mbox X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+nemo=lsub.org@cse.psu.edu So, I'm using the filter pipeto which does upas/fs -f $TMP. I get the following error message that is the result of doing a dirwstat on the newly created L.mbox. What's up with that? Brantley atlas Jun 19 17:25:53 lock error: /mail/tmp/L.mbox: access permission denied --upas-ybyylawqfqitakmvdxdddttjzm-- From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Mon Jun 21 20:56:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 17:54:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9ee97392_c360_11d8_8f45_00304828b574_13007; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65EAC34451B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9eb184aa_c360_11d8_91aa_00304828b574_13004; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 571157580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED50A7580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9e6d92f4_c360_11d8_9e78_00304828b574_13001; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC5434451B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9d9990a8_c360_11d8_8a60_00304828b574_12998; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:54:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1CB719F67 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:54:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4935319F25 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01705-02-52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id ACC6D19F23 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5L8s5xj015032 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:54:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5L8s6dV001061 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:54:06 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5L8s5Y01166 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:54:05 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406210854.i5L8s5Y01166@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] new code in cvs for plan9ports; not in web tarball In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:14:54 -0400." References: <200406201908.i5KJ8hn26197@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:54:05 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I asked: > > Just a thought: would it make sense to also support > > (for a more 'seamless' integration in the X11 world) > > some of the common X11 command line options, like > > -display and -geometry or would the multi-character > > nature of them completely 'conflict' with the plan 9 > > way of doing things? > > (I can understand arguments pro and contra, I just > > thought it could be nice to raise the issue, once) > > these options are fundamentally at odds with the > plan 9 way of parsing options. ok. I already thought so. thanks for replying. Axel. 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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu As Russ said, .wav is just an extension, it doesn't in any way determine the binary contents .wav (and .avi) are RIFF files, the header of which will tell you the *real* content type of the file (and I don't even think they *have* to be RIFF files, the first few bytes tag it as a RIFF file, I imagine Microsoft's Windows applications would be able to discern other types of media. So, if your files are not the required 16 bit little-endian two's complement integer required for /dev/audio then you'll need to change them In my estimate your best bet for portability would be converting them to mp3 format (and you can choose lossless encoding if that is important to you) and then you are free to use them on any platform. My decoder of choice is Nemo's port of MAD http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/usr/nemo/export/mad.tgz It even works on the bitsy! Matt From matt@proweb.co.uk Mon Jun 21 20:56:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 20:27:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ff33a12c_c375_11d8_9c7f_00304828b574_12128; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:27:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2249344545 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:27:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe9ffa80_c375_11d8_9eb0_00304828b574_12120; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:27:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4A5A47580FD; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:27:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A8D7580FC for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:27:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe2a2742_c375_11d8_937e_00304828b574_12115; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:27:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5861D344B47 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:23:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ccf777a_c375_11d8_9539_00304828b574_7999; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:23:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9741119F7B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:23:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B70DD19F2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09287-02-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAE7319CF7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5ac6ec8bdab9695b1b378c1444c48e05@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 12:25:46 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] using dvd/rw as WORM drive for venti on USB interface In-Reply-To: <4e24f2fa04062017494110b620@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable run usb/usbd you can then see which USB datafiles appear in /dev ls -d /dev/usb* then write a program that includes this : sprint(datafile1, "/dev/usb%d/%d/ep1data", usbport, usbchannel); sprint(datafile2, "/dev/usb%d/%d/ep2data", usbport, usbchannel); fdin =3D open(datafile1, OREAD); fdout =3D open(datafile2, OWRITE); free(datafile1); free(datafile2); as to what you need to read and write - good luck ! when usb/usbd is run it collects the device type ID from the device, the = ID is an agreeement about the protocol : certain ID's have published prot= ocols of course some decide to use ID=3DFF which means "we're using our = own protocol" I imagine your mass storage device will use an agreed ID - which is why t= hey just *work* in Windows=E2=84=A2 m From matt@proweb.co.uk Tue Jun 22 07:31:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 21:04:33 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28358e6e_c37b_11d8_84fa_00304828b574_13791; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B142E344FE2 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2804c6c6_c37b_11d8_92a8_00304828b574_13785; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:32 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 924357580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:32 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494877580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27c3ca7c_c37b_11d8_91fd_00304828b574_13782; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D6CB344FE2 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2718eb5c_c37b_11d8_9ede_00304828b574_13777; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:04:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8BF4219F6B for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:04:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3718619F46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14371-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D7B1219F47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:04:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0483b62a960a7db4bc7481ec31cf1959@juice.thebigchoice.com> From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 13:06:48 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new code in cvs for plan9ports; not in web tarball MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > 3. Acme and 9term windows scroll in response to scroll wheel mice, thanks to Rob. an interesting divergence of features, mousewheel support across all rio's would be good Are we entering the phase where *real* plan9 begins to lag behind the port ? perhaps a port of mothra to Un-9 will get it modernised too :) Just let me know when I should upgrade to Linux m :) From nemo@lsub.org Tue Jun 22 07:31:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 22:05:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bac50dc_c383_11d8_873d_00304828b574_3168; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58795344219 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b6ff3f8_c383_11d8_9a01_00304828b574_3150; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2E58B7580FA; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFA47580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b0ea8f0_c383_11d8_9299_00304828b574_3075; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E14C344219 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9a0dbcde_c383_11d8_8b5c_00304828b574_2883; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:05:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 721D219FB3 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:04:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D1ECF19D46 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26440-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6F20419C4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46a7dc982ad104015dd034c988f0fb9b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new code in cvs for plan9ports; not in web tarball From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 15:04:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <0483b62a960a7db4bc7481ec31cf1959@juice.thebigchoice.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > an interesting divergence of features, mousewheel support across all rio's would be good > > Are we entering the phase where *real* plan9 begins to lag behind the port ? Nope. We've been using wheels for a long time now. Hmm, I think the bits needed are archived in 9fans somewhere. From sah@softcardsystems.com Tue Jun 22 07:31:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 22:24:03 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 436a4c14_c386_11d8_94c6_00304828b574_18635; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962FC344670 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4317f932_c386_11d8_8968_00304828b574_18571; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 783057580FB; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:02 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8457580F9 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 42d7e4d2_c386_11d8_9e7e_00304828b574_18534; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E277344676 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4213eaa0_c386_11d8_9d12_00304828b574_18402; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:24:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3D4A519F32 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:24:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E71AB19E71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26440-01-67 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BA68119E2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.12.8/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i5LCRxow018321 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:27:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:27:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam X-Sender: To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] local resolution with net.alt X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Greetings - I have an 'ip= sys=foo' name in /lib/ndb/local that I use for shorthand to save committing the ip to memory. I have to access this ip via my net.alt inteface due to firewall connection restrictions on the destination network. The name resolution from local is failing. Is this a configuration problem? cpu% ssh root@/net/tcp!foo ssh: dialing /net/tcp!aajjg: connection timed out cpu% ssh root@/net.alt/tcp!foo ssh: dialing /net.alt/tcp!foo: cs: can't translate address: dns: resource does not exist cpu% ssh root@/net.alt/tcp! Cheers, Sam From sah@softcardsystems.com Tue Jun 22 07:31:56 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 21 22:26:31 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bea3a3e_c386_11d8_976f_00304828b574_20765; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458533446B4 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9bb55882_c386_11d8_9c5d_00304828b574_20762; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:31 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 31AF07580FB; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:31 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA8407580FA for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9b79d2da_c386_11d8_8aae_00304828b574_20759; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDA83446B4 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 9acd2fbc_c386_11d8_9806_00304828b574_20753; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 22:26:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3120919EF6 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:26:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 69CBD19E2C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22357-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FB1919E20 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 09:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114]) by athena.softcardsystems.com (8.12.8/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i5LCUSow018340 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:30:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 08:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam X-Sender: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] local resolution with net.alt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > ssh: dialing /net/tcp!aajjg: connection timed out s/aajjg/foo/ futz. 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Rio windows are fine but sam doesnt show black. 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i admit i found the syntax a little surprising. -rob From macrod@xaplos.com Tue Jun 22 09:48:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 07:41:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 33490016_c3d4_11d8_9fba_00304828b574_9521; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7445A344A07 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3312184e_c3d4_11d8_94f7_00304828b574_9516; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 60FC67580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4017580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 32d9d2ea_c3d4_11d8_93c2_00304828b574_9513; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B1F344A07 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 322a0c5c_c3d4_11d8_90ef_00304828b574_9509; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:41:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FB8E19F6D for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:41:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4A95719B4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06530-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 96D2019F65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Xaplos ([68.209.108.223]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.08 201-253-122-130-108-20031117) with ESMTP id <20040621224133.JQOA1775.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:41:33 -0400 From: "Mark F Rodriguez" To: "'Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs'" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: RE: [9fans] plumbing safari Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:41:29 -0400 Organization: Xaplos, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <77b7187e74d539ad8527effec2ac8527@terzarima.net> Thread-Index: AcRX3s+RPuot30rKRd+lpvt7WFVXggAAdmog X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-Id: <20040621224133.JQOA1775.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@Xaplos> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: macrod@xaplos.com, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > is pic the new open scripting architecture engine for MacOS X? The code submitted was written using Applescript which has been part of the OS for many years. Thanks, -Mark From rminnich@lanl.gov Tue Jun 22 09:48:44 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 07:45:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa56634c_c3d4_11d8_8fc3_00304828b574_12884; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320AC34542C for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa1e46ec_c3d4_11d8_861b_00304828b574_12881; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 1CD9C7580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BA07580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9e15e08_c3d4_11d8_833f_00304828b574_12878; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D513C34542C for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a9340fe6_c3d4_11d8_8019_00304828b574_12875; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 07:45:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 17D4C19F80 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:45:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C268019CE0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15780-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3E77319B4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5LMitCp024476 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:44:55 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5LMis24002361 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:44:55 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5LMirwO004883 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:44:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:44:52 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plumbing safari In-Reply-To: <77b7187e74d539ad8527effec2ac8527@terzarima.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Charles Forsyth wrote: > tell application "Safari" > activate > make new document at end of documents > set the URL of the front document to "$1" > end tell > > is pic the new open scripting architecture engine for MacOS X? I don't know, to me the stuff looks strangely and weirdly like HyperCard. ron From geoff@collyer.net Tue Jun 22 09:48:45 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 09:45:54 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8416893a_c3e5_11d8_93c1_00304828b574_18304; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F65345716 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83dfa50a_c3e5_11d8_984d_00304828b574_18301; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:53 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 62FE57580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:53 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F077580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83a594d2_c3e5_11d8_90b3_00304828b574_18298; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5F8345716 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 82f97aee_c3e5_11d8_83de_00304828b574_18289; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:45:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 164D519FA0 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C07B219D8C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06131-01-92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 369F219D8A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 20:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plumbing safari From: Geoff Collyer Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 17:45:28 -0700 In-Reply-To: <7359f0490406211520106d518a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I use the OS X open command, which seems to be part of something like plumbing. From my lib/plumbing: # URL with method goes to my mac type is text data matches '((https?|ftp|file|gopher|mailto|news|nntp|telnet|wais|prospero)://)[a-zA-Z0-9_@]+([.:][a-zA-Z0-9_@]+)*/?[a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-=]+([:.][a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-=]+)*' plumb to web plumb start ssh mac-gbe open ''''$0'''' # URL without method goes to my mac, but os x requires ``http://'' type is text data matches 'www\.[a-zA-Z0-9_@]+([.:][a-zA-Z0-9_@]+)*/?[a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-=]+([:.][a-zA-Z0-9_?,%#~&/\-=]+)*' plumb to web plumb start ssh mac-gbe open http://''''$0'''' From robpike@gmail.com Tue Jun 22 11:37:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 10:24:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e50d3928_c3ea_11d8_8236_00304828b574_22900; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E43D344C1D for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e4d63ed2_c3ea_11d8_98ec_00304828b574_22897; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 875287580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4478C7580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e49e2b14_c3ea_11d8_88f0_00304828b574_22894; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EAF344C1D for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3f20244_c3ea_11d8_99d1_00304828b574_22888; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:24:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B580B19FB2 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:24:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 308C719E73 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08533-01-10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.250]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id D133519E52 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so40315cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.65 with SMTP id p65mr420429cwc; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:24:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904062118246877a57c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:24:00 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plumbing safari In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu aha, nice. even simpler. and i can avoid the ssh (why do you need it? so the plumber can be on a different machine from the web browser?). -rob From geoff@collyer.net Tue Jun 22 11:37:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 10:27:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4b09c39a_c3eb_11d8_9b32_00304828b574_25482; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04D5344C42 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4ad80ab2_c3eb_11d8_92be_00304828b574_25479; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 826FF7580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:14 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A79A7580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4a737eb2_c3eb_11d8_9589_00304828b574_25476; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E7A344C42 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 49c8bc5c_c3eb_11d8_8068_00304828b574_25333; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:27:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A69CC19CFF for ; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:27:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43DA419CFF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25581-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DAD919E18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] plumbing safari From: Geoff Collyer Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:26:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: <7359f04904062118246877a57c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm not running the plan9ports programs yet, so I'm clicking on URLs on Plan 9 (typically in mail), where I run the plumber. 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Tue, 22 Jun 2004 04:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 09:06:04 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock In-Reply-To: <259e5ab496f281b48d4e6ad53a58891d@davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-kfoqjxxcbsfkgnemjdunvmrcuy" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-kfoqjxxcbsfkgnemjdunvmrcuy Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'd have thought it best to regard it as best avoided. does it happen, or was it something you wanted to do? --upas-kfoqjxxcbsfkgnemjdunvmrcuy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; 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Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:04:36 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5M61mJI034536 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:01:49 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: <259e5ab496f281b48d4e6ad53a58891d@davidashen.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:04:20 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] qunlock X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=vitanuova.com@cse.psu.edu calling qunlock on an unlocked QLock is no-op, isn't it? --upas-kfoqjxxcbsfkgnemjdunvmrcuy-- From forsyth@vitanuova.com Tue Jun 22 18:32:32 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:03:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13325b4a_c42b_11d8_902e_00304828b574_7519; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:03:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F01219FEF for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:03:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CB47919FE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09666-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2D87019FDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 05:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <29dbd0842758b89af800a214a30c9fac@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock From: C H Forsyth Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:09:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-qnxkmkdozanwksnzyckekjzeqi" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-qnxkmkdozanwksnzyckekjzeqi Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually, i'd have said such an effect was unusable (or relying on it was pointless) in general, at least with more than one process, so i'm now more curious how you'd use it. --upas-qnxkmkdozanwksnzyckekjzeqi Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Tue Jun 22 09:06:39 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22CA419FC3 for ; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'd have thought it best to regard it as best avoided. does it happen, or was it something you wanted to do? --upas-kfoqjxxcbsfkgnemjdunvmrcuy Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by doppio; Tue Jun 22 07:10:37 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 015E41A032 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:04:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2444419F98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11365-01-56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 02:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stub.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5A6E19F95 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; 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banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 3142 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 09:22:34 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-3.tower-68.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 09:22:34 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:22:46 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5M9P5Er007863 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:25:08 +0100 Message-ID: <2ade553af951a566d9fb727574204bc0@snellwilcox.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:22:31 +0100 BadHeader: To: /n/a:/boot.txt, -A, /n/a:/ioalloc.txt, /n/a:/irqalloc.txt, /n/a:/pci.txt, /n/a:/vgainfo.txt, 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] new install hangs in termrc X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, I have just installed a new machine. The floppy boot and download went fine, but when I boot from disk and login as glenda for the first time it hangs. I get the starting /bin/rc message but never see rio start. I had a probe around in the BIOS but cannot turn off USB (which has helped in the past). I tried removing the ether card as this is not needed just to boot but that makes no difference. Rebooting from floppy and adding 'flag x +' to the top of /n/fossil/rc/bin/termrc I see it hangs on timesync... I commented out timesync and then it hangs on binding devices into /dev (the fatal one appears to be sigma). Commenting this out just moves the problem again but dosent solve it. If i leave the machine to run for hours in its hung state eventually I see: diskWriteRaw failed date=xxxxxx part=3 addr=0; i/o error at a rate of one every couple of hours. If I set init=/386/bin/rc in /n/a:/plan9.ini then I can get a shell prompt but just doing things like cd and ls is enough to get it to hang again. The machine is: ASUS P4T-F motherboard [http://uk.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=P4T-F&langs=11] 3Com 3C905CX-TXM ether card Symbios 53C875J SCSI controller nVidia AGP graphics card (no model number, but see attached). I have attached pci.txt, irqalloc.txt and ioalloc.txt. The machine is a bit funny as it has DDR ram and the disk is Very fast but these shouldn't effect it sould they? My next step is to try a trusty s3 graphics card. My nightmare is that the scsi card is duff (not so easy to find). I suspose I'am hoping somone has had similar problems before? -Steve From matt@proweb.co.uk Wed Jun 23 08:29:31 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 19:00:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0efcd23c_c433_11d8_9859_00304828b574_26443; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D98344EFD for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ecb7dea_c433_11d8_9f3d_00304828b574_26440; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A63267580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC507580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e8a78a4_c433_11d8_97c1_00304828b574_26437; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2BF344EFD for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0dddc3a2_c433_11d8_9014_00304828b574_26434; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:00:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BACF919FFE for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 06:00:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 513A819FCF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 06:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10550-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 06:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8081119FDA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 06:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:03:03 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] new install hangs in termrc In-Reply-To: <2ade553af951a566d9fb727574204bc0@snellwilcox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu hi steve, did you try booting it from the CD rom ? 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Diese Regelung gilt nur fuer die stets in die Solidarkassen einzahlenden = Kassenpatienten, nicht aber fuer diejenigen, deren Krankheitskosten der S= taat bezahlt, fuer Strafgefangene, Asylbewerber und Sozialhilfeempfaenger= ! Diesen kann der Arzt weiterhin teure 'Original-Medikamente' verschreibe= n, diese koennen ohne Abstriche oder Zuzahlungen medizinische/zahnmedizin= ische Leistungen, Krankenhausversorgung, Operationen, Unterbringung in Pf= legeheimen etc. in Anspruch nehmen. Grund: In der Medikamentenstreichliste wurde die staatliche Krankenhilfe = schlichtweg 'vergessen'! Die statistischen Jahrbuecher weisen aus, dass im Jahr 1989 256.000 deuts= che Staatsangehoerige, 270.000 Auslaender und im Jahr 1993 250.000 deutsc= he Staatsangehoerige und 577.000 Auslaender uneingeschraenkte Krankenhilf= e aus den Rentenkassen - ausser den 'sonstigen' Sozialhilfeleistungen - e= rhielten. Dies bedeutet bei den Deutschen in vier Jahren ein geringer Rue= ckgang, bei den Auslaendern mehr als eine Verdoppelung. Heute wird die Millionenzahl Anspruchsberechtigter bereits weit ueberschr= itten sein. >>>> Kein Wunder, dass die Zahlen seit 1994 nicht mehr veroeffentlicht we= rden. <<<< Was schlie=DFen wir daraus? Es sind nicht die in die Pflichtkrankenkassen einzahlenden Versicherten, = die fuer das zunehmende Defizit sorgen, sondern vorrangig diejenigen, die= auf Kosten der Solidargemeinschaft der Versicherten beitragsfrei die Kas= sen belasten. Eine Gleichbehandlung aller Versicherten im Krankheitsfall = wird durch den Gesetzgeber verhindert. Zahlende Kassenpatienten werden me= dizinisch eindeutig schlechter gestellt als kostenfrei Anspruchsberechtig= te. 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Final-Recipient: rfc822; prevod-owner@geotour.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. Final-Recipient: rfc822; pongsathorns@geotour.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. Final-Recipient: rfc822; m.krstic@geotour.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. Final-Recipient: rfc822; merkur-@geotour.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. Final-Recipient: rfc822; upgrade@geotour.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. Final-Recipient: rfc822; peter3@geotour.com Action: failed Status: 5.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; user unknown. Command output: Invalid user specified. --1305C11EB56.1087906045/host52a.simplicato.com Content-Description: Undelivered Message Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from localhost (localhost.simplicato.com [127.0.0.1]) by host52a.simplicato.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1305C11EB56; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from host52a.simplicato.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (host52a.simplicato.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77236-07; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from glnufgkpn.edu (ip-170.net-82-216-216.roubaix.rev.numericable.fr [82.216.216.170]) by host52a.simplicato.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D08711EB45; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:07:11 -0400 (EDT) From: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:01:47 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EU gibt Erwerbslosen volle Freizuegigkeit -3095- Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: undisclosed-recipients: ; X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at simplicato.com Einwanderungswelle osteuropaeischer Sozialhilfe-Empfaenger befuerchtet Muenchen (rpo). Hans-Werner Sinn, Praesident des ifo-Institut hat in der 'Sueddeutschen Zeitung' vor einer massiven Einwanderungswelle osteuropaeischer Sozialhilfe-Empfaenger nach Deutschland gewarnt. Zwar habe die EU Uebergangsfristen fuer Arbeitnehmer verankert, doch Erwerbslose duerften sofort einwandern und haetten von Anfang an 'Anspruch auf alle sozialen Leistungen'. Diese Regelung sei grotesk und werde die westeuropaeischen Sozialstaaten zerstoeren. Nur eine Aenderung der EU-Verfassung koenne das noch verhindern. Die Folgen der vom EU-Parlament gebilligten Freizuegigkeits-Richtlinie fuer Wanderungen innerhalb der EU seien 'von Politik und Oeffentlichkeit total uebersehen' worden, kritisierte der Wirtschaftswissenschaftler. Osteuropaeer duerfen waehrend einer mehrjaehrigen Uebergangsfrist zwar 'nicht als Arbeitnehmer kommen. Als Selbststaendige und nicht erwerbstaetige Personen duerfen sie sich jedoch sofort in Deutschland niederlassen', erklaerte Sinn. 'Von Anfang an hat auch der nicht Erwerbstaetige Anspruch auf alle sozialen Leistungen des Staates wie ein Einheimischer. Das wird viele, die in den aermeren Regionen Europas zu Hause sind, veranlassen, in die reichen Sozialstaaten der EU zu wandern.' Die Anreize seien uebermaechtig. Die deutsche Sozialhilfe sei fuenf Mal so hoch wie ein slowakischer Lohn. Die bevorstehende Armutswanderung aus Osteuropa werde die westeuropaeischen Sozialstaaten erodieren: 'Die Staaten werden ihre Leistungen in einer Art Abschreckungswettbewerb zurueckschrauben, weil keiner zum Ziel der Wohlfahrtswanderungen werden will', und 'im Endeffekt wird Europa nur noch so sozial sein koennen, wie es Amerika heute ist'. Um dies abzuwenden, muessten die EU-Staaten 'das Recht der Migration in den Sozialstaat' streichen: Das Heimatland muesste fuer die Sozialleistungen an nicht erwerbstaetige Zuwanderer zustaendig bleiben, forderte der ifo-Praesident. Link's: http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/nachrichten/politik/deutschland/48909 http://www.rhein-main.net/sixcms/list.php?page=fnp2_news_article&id=1685544 --1305C11EB56.1087906045/host52a.simplicato.com-- From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jun 23 08:29:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 23:15:49 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a92d7d5c_c456_11d8_867f_00304828b574_24323; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20B7345C22 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8f92dea_c456_11d8_95a7_00304828b574_24320; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:48 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BA64D7580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:48 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9A57580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a8badfd6_c456_11d8_9a0c_00304828b574_24317; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C317345C22 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a80bf840_c456_11d8_9529_00304828b574_24314; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:15:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD1E31A08B for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:15:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1BF1C19E27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12884-01-83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57B9119D45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5MEEfCp017262 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:14:41 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5MEEe24029495 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:14:40 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5MEEewO003368 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:14:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:14:39 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plumbing safari In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Geoff Collyer wrote: > I use the OS X open command, which seems to be part of something like > plumbing. From my lib/plumbing: so are we losing all the Plan 9 guys to MacOS? Hmm. :-) ron From rminnich@lanl.gov Wed Jun 23 08:29:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 22 23:19:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b1869da_c457_11d8_87e7_00304828b574_27631; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD354345C32 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ae6513e_c457_11d8_919c_00304828b574_27628; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B2BBF7580FA; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663857580F9 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:19:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2aa5c5d8_c457_11d8_8376_00304828b574_27625; 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Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay3.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5MEJ6Cp018870 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:19:06 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay3.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5MEJ624032433 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:19:06 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5MEJ5wO003604 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:19:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:19:04 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock In-Reply-To: <29dbd0842758b89af800a214a30c9fac@vitanuova.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, C H Forsyth wrote: > actually, i'd have said such an effect was unusable (or relying on it > was pointless) in general, at least with more than one process, so i'm > now more curious how you'd use it. to me qunlock of an unlock'ed thing should be a cause for panic. ron From boyd@insultant.net Wed Jun 23 08:29:33 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:40:05 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <00f701c45866$8a805070$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:38:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > to me qunlock of an unlock'ed thing should be a cause for panic. seconded. 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] why can't none open /proc/*/status? X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu It looks like a process running as none, can't open the /proc/*/status files even though they have read by everyone. Why? Brantley From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Wed Jun 23 08:29:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 00:49:57 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfead7b6_c463_11d8_9768_00304828b574_9119; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A18345C97 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cfaff592_c463_11d8_9da5_00304828b574_9115; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 228937580FA; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:57 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29BF7580F9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cf67f562_c463_11d8_9211_00304828b574_9112; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2353345C97 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ceba2d9c_c463_11d8_89a9_00304828b574_9109; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:49:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 16BD91A087 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:49:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC8AD19C54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01181-01-49 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail56.messagelabs.com (mail56.messagelabs.com [193.109.254.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1E34219C26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:49:18 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: steve@snellwilcox.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-56.messagelabs.com!1087919356!10657894 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 32190 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2004 15:49:16 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-5.tower-56.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 22 Jun 2004 15:49:16 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:49:28 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5MFpoEr008674 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:51:51 +0100 Message-ID: <2e99dc4d595349082d317d48ebe95b19@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:49:14 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ape/sh broken X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, In the latest pull ape/sh is broken. A quick squis points to wait(2ape) giving silly status values (eg 395388) at /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/jobs.c1331 Somthing also (I assume the same thing) effects ape/make though this doesn't abort. Paid work demanded I just pull the old ones from sourcesdump and don't look any further at the moment (sorry). larch% ape/psh $ make clean rm -f bin/* *** Termination code 1 Stop. sh 21183: suicide: sys: trap: fault read addr=0x0 pc=0x0001fce3 larch% acid 21183 /proc/21183/text:386 plan 9 executable /sys/lib/acid/port /sys/lib/acid/386 acid: stk() strcpy(p2=0x0,p1=0x7fffed53)+0xc /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/386/strcpy.s:11 j_print(how=0x1,shf=0x319a8,j=0x5e254)+0x3be /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/jobs.c:1558 j_waitj(j=0x5e254,flags=0x4,where=0x30a50)+0x165 /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/jobs.c:1289 exchild(flags=0x0,t=0x326f0,close_fd=0xffffffff)+0x346 /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/jobs.c:675 comexec(ap=0x5ec60,tp=0x5e01c,flags=0x0,t=0x5e59c)+0x3ec /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/exec.c:732 execute(t=0x5e59c,flags=0x0)+0x2de /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/exec.c:155 shell(s=0x5b3f4,toplevel=0x1)+0x185 /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/main.c:616 main(argv=0x7fffefb4,argc=0x1)+0x7d8 /sys/src/ape/cmd/pdksh/main.c:430 _main+0x26 /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/386/main9.s:12 -Steve From robpike@gmail.com Wed Jun 23 08:29:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 00:54:37 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 764e4c3c_c464_11d8_83ae_00304828b574_13014; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F2B345CA0 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 761cac2c_c464_11d8_9cb1_00304828b574_13011; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5BB067580FA; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:36 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE727580F9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75dce22c_c464_11d8_98cd_00304828b574_13008; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212EC345CA0 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75301f06_c464_11d8_8e35_00304828b574_13005; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:54:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3EA551A01D for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:54:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC09C19C32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26264-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.252]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 60CAE1A028 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so52609cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.59 with SMTP id p59mr459427cwc; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f04904062208504ee7d5e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 08:50:03 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] why can't none open /proc/*/status? 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Intrestingly when it has hung ^t^t^q prints nrdy 0 nothing ready? ^t^t^p lists PID CMD 23 rc 32 timesync 26 mntgen 29 cs which looks plausable With default args timesync (where it hangs) is probably reading #r/rtc, perhaps I have found a deadlock in /dev/rtc? 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Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09293-01-21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216-239-45-4.google.com (216-239-45-4.google.com [216.239.45.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3BB6519B9A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.24.64.200] (gpsi1.corp.google.com [10.3.0.251]) by 216-239-45-4.google.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5MMXbuO023469 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:33:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: "Rob 'Commander' Pike" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:33:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] x11-init.c X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu russ is unreachable so i thought i'd just pass this info along here. in the new plan9port update, x11-init.c:352 is missing an argument to the smprint statement. the correct line is: if(home!=nil && (file=smprint("%s/.Xdefaults", home)) != nil){ on some machines this causes disastrous failure unless fixed. -rob From eli@cs.wisc.edu Wed Jun 23 08:29:38 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:14:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ed9be186_c4a1_11d8_9cb8_00304828b574_11346; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:14:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 70E9B1A05A for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:14:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CE12519D5A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16429-01-36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wasabi.cs.wisc.edu (wasabi.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.166.35]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5A59619D17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (eli@localhost) by wasabi.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA30354 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:14:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 18:14:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Eli Collins To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <20040622204432.3AD861B6D@neuromancer.cse.psu.edu> Message-ID: References: <20040622204432.3AD861B6D@neuromancer.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] CD install help X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm having trouble installing from a CD. I'm stuck at the 'Distribution disk [no default]' prompt during the mountdist step. The following storage media were detected: /dev/sdC0/9fat /dev/sdC0/data /dev/sdC0/fossil /dev/sdC0/nvram /dev/sdC0/swap /dev/sdD0/cdboot /dev/sdD0/data Entering any of these at the prompt results in the message 'Unknown disk type (cannot happen)'. This message originates from the mountdist script but does not make sense to me. At this point the installer sometimes lets me have another go at the prompt but often just hangs. I first tried /dev/sdD0/data as it seems appropriate but none of the above storage media work. I can run successfully run Plan 9 off the CD. Any ideas? eli From eli@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jun 24 08:13:09 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 09:22:16 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 613b64a0_c4ab_11d8_92ea_00304828b574_8713; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:22:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A202344632 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:22:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60e7cc50_c4ab_11d8_84ef_00304828b574_8710; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:22:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id E52DB7580FD; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:21:58 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9CF758102 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:21:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5477d938_c4ab_11d8_9526_00304828b574_7822; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:21:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE18344288 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:12:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0067bcf6_c4aa_11d8_9002_00304828b574_30032; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:12:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 32FA01A074 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:12:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 56E5119BFC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21296-01-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sabe.cs.wisc.edu (sabe.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.6.20]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1D31219BE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (c66.168.31.229.mad.wi.charter.com [66.168.31.229]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by sabe.cs.wisc.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id i5N0C4s04855 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:12:05 -0500 Message-ID: <40D8E5EE.2040401@cs.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:07:42 -0700 From: Eli Collins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7 (Windows/20040616) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] CD install help [apologies for the duplicate post] X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm having trouble installing from a CD. I'm stuck at the 'Distribution disk [no default]' prompt during the mountdist step. The following storage media were detected: /dev/sdC0/9fat /dev/sdC0/data /dev/sdC0/fossil /dev/sdC0/nvram /dev/sdC0/swap /dev/sdD0/cdboot /dev/sdD0/data Entering any of these at the prompt results in the message 'Unknown disk type (cannot happen)'. This message originates from the mountdist script but does not make sense to me. At this point the installer sometimes lets me have another go at the prompt but often just hangs. I first tried /dev/sdD0/data as it seems appropriate but none of the above storage media work. I can run successfully run Plan 9 off the CD. Any ideas? eli From schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu Thu Jun 24 08:13:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 10:23:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f5868ca4_c4b3_11d8_90e7_00304828b574_27548; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CD0345670 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4e1037e_c4b3_11d8_9e69_00304828b574_27545; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 49A2B7580FA; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CE97580F9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f4a27fc8_c4b3_11d8_9b15_00304828b574_27542; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11685345670 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3f697da_c4b3_11d8_8a1d_00304828b574_27538; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:23:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 581E41A093 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:23:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1AD0619AB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20702-01-75 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id DF14019AA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5481 invoked by uid 991); 23 Jun 2004 01:23:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20040623012317.5480.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Date: 22 Jun 2004 21:23:17 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c In-reply-to: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com> References: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com> Comments: In-reply-to "Rob 'Commander' Pike" message dated "Tue, 22 Jun 2004 15:33:37 -0700." Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:23:17 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu | in the new plan9port update, x11-init.c:352 is missing an argument | to the smprint statement. the correct line is: Gcc has a way to tell the compiler to check printf like varargs functions. Given the impact, maybe the ports should use that, at the cost of some ifdefs. From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jun 24 08:13:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 14:04:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c637354c_c4d2_11d8_92e9_00304828b574_2337; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:04:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23566344E4C for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:04:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c5feb0dc_c4d2_11d8_998a_00304828b574_2330; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:04:15 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 946D77580FB; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:04:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81AD7580FF for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:04:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c36065c8_c4d2_11d8_826c_00304828b574_2155; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:04:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16AC344E4C for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:02:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b274adc_c4d2_11d8_9d79_00304828b574_32649; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:02:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CCA461A085 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:02:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9470619C36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 23230-02-79 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 321CA199C0 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <43a9e52b883c4995d7f15f386fd09034@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:02:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040623012317.5480.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>Gcc has a way to tell the compiler to check printf like varargs functions. i was fairly sure, last time i looked at it, that gcc `knew' what printf format letters were, including of course gcc's own extensions, in contrast to the ken C varargck pragmas that allow one to tell the compiler what they are, which helpfully works with fmtinstall. i'll look again ... doesn't gcc (it claims to be 3.3) know a lot: wc -l c-format.c 2360 c-format.c From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu Jun 24 08:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 2284 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2004 08:44:49 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-6.tower-56.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2004 08:44:49 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:45:02 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5N8lQEr009663 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:47:26 +0100 Message-ID: <2e7cc85343187d7d28a4a1f74dce408d@snellwilcox.com> From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:44:48 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] CD install help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Given these choices I would expect you to pick /dev/sdD0/data Did you enter the path to the disk exactly '/dev/sdD0/data' ? >>From my reading of the code I think you will get this cannot happen error message if you enter a device which is not one of those listed. the devices: /dev/sdC0/9fat /dev/sdC0/data /dev/sdC0/fossil /dev/sdC0/nvram /dev/sdC0/swap are those you just created on your disk. /dev/sdD0/cdboot is the bootstrap psudo-floppy on the CDROM that allows it to be a boot device. /dev/sdD0/data is the filesystem that conatins the plan9 filesystem image (assuming you are booting from the bootable iso distribution). Perhaps you have an old distribution image? I did exactly this yesterday and it all went faultlessly. -Steve From bengt.kleberg@ericsson.com Thu Jun 24 08:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 17:50:01 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4fef7da2_c4f2_11d8_9f80_00304828b574_11516; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:50:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E9234517F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:50:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4fb895f8_c4f2_11d8_99dc_00304828b574_11513; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:50:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 80EA17580FA; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:50:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E817580F9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:50:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4f7e8372_c4f2_11d8_88a8_00304828b574_11510; 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1Bd3RH-0007B9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:49:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:47:20 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com>, <20040623012317.5480.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Scott Schwartz wrote: ...deleted > Gcc has a way to tell the compiler to check printf like varargs functions. > Given the impact, maybe the ports should use that, at the cost of some ifdefs. i hope this means that gcc should get some additional flags. it would be unfortunate if it means that the ports should be made dependent upon gcc. bengt From forsyth@terzarima.net Thu Jun 24 08:13:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:07:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b9ae8a24_c4f4_11d8_9cfd_00304828b574_26363; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:07:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B74D11A06C for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:07:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A5C8D19D39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06849-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lavoro.terzarima.net (spc1-york1-5-0-cust44.seac.broadband.ntl.com [80.0.45.44]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 513F919D29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <539b509a0687ab7f0086c14be1187539@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c From: Charles Forsyth Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:07:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-frhuphsbisybgaffzbugmreumv" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-frhuphsbisybgaffzbugmreumv Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gcc enables the warnings with -Wformat, but the association between varargs function and format checking is done by the following (on FreeBSD): int asprintf __P((char **, const char *, ...)) __printflike(2, 3); where #define __printflike(fmtarg, firstvararg) \ __attribute__((__format__ (__printf__, fmtarg, firstvararg))) it's the __attribute__ cluster that's built-in to gcc. Linux uses different #defines but the result is similar. hence the need for ifdefs somewhere to avoid feeding __stuff__ to other compilers. (there are many many more __things__.) the list of formats is also built-in to the compiler. it doesn't look as though it can easily be extended, but i have waded through neither code nor spent time down by the docs. Plan 9's compilers use a pragma to allow sets of format types and flags to be defined outside the compiler, in a way that doesn't give other compilers heartburn, and thus without absolutely requiring ifdefs. to be fair, the current implementation assumes all flags (in the current scope) have the same meaning, and does define a handful of built-in flags such as '.' (although neither restriction is essential); 375 lines. --upas-frhuphsbisybgaffzbugmreumv Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Wed Jun 23 09:51:19 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4D32F1A06B for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:49:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 49B8519C87 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03195-01-22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E195019C72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1Bd3RH-0007B9-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:49:03 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:47:20 GMT From: Bengt Kleberg Message-ID: Organization: Ericsson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com>, <20040623012317.5480.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Scott Schwartz wrote: ...deleted > Gcc has a way to tell the compiler to check printf like varargs functions. > Given the impact, maybe the ports should use that, at the cost of some ifdefs. i hope this means that gcc should get some additional flags. it would be unfortunate if it means that the ports should be made dependent upon gcc. bengt --upas-frhuphsbisybgaffzbugmreumv-- From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 24 08:13:17 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:20:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <028701c4590b$801022f0$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <43a9e52b883c4995d7f15f386fd09034@terzarima.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:18:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > i'll look again ... doesn't gcc (it claims to be 3.3) know a lot: > wc -l c-format.c > 2360 c-format.c it would, wouldn't it? who knows how much more code would be required to grok installable formats? From mattjpc@gmail.com Thu Jun 24 08:13:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 22:21:27 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b58bdce_c518_11d8_818b_00304828b574_27883; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F11345118 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3b217e68_c518_11d8_88a9_00304828b574_27880; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:26 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id BDA13758102; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A2C758101 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3a3b3412_c518_11d8_8dff_00304828b574_27867; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5771C345118 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 31b8a64e_c518_11d8_8309_00304828b574_27669; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:21:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 630DD1A0C4 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4394619BC4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22954-01-41 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.183]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 922B819B4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unknown (HELO gmail.com) (mandjpc@sbcglobal.net@67.121.238.172 with plain) by smtp804.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2004 13:20:47 -0000 Message-ID: <40D9839C.9000504@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:20:28 -0700 From: Matt Pidd--Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040623 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] using dvd/rw as WORM drive for venti on USB interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > as to what you need to read and write - good luck ! no kidding. thanks for the hint, that's it for me i'm afraid - i'm defecting back to FreeBSD -- where my code /still/ /inexplicably/ runs twice as fast on both my machines -- and drivers for the devices are ready and working ... 's a pity 'cuz i didn't mind tinkering, but my proj stuff needs to whizz and i need to spend more time on it than on getting the host OS to work with it. sincere thanks to all the patient people who offered assistance and tolerated my erroneous and chronologically muddled multiple posts. ttfn From matt@proweb.co.uk Thu Jun 24 08:13:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 22:59:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8bbbe598_c51d_11d8_8a9e_00304828b574_32586; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:59:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BAA34416A for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:59:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8b83a07a_c51d_11d8_98cc_00304828b574_32582; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:59:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 679E3758105; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:59:26 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756FA758102 for ; 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from juice.thebigchoice.com (cpc3-nott7-3-0-cust54.nott.cable.ntl.com [82.5.142.54]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D8B1719B4F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: matt@proweb.co.uk X-TAG: matty Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:54:53 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] using dvd/rw as WORM drive for venti on USB interface In-Reply-To: <40D9839C.9000504@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu seeya, as you go , take this with you : 9p is a protocol, independent of plan9 u9fs is a 9p server that runs on Lunix - I run it here on freebsd if you ever work with distributed file systems, we'll be waiting for you m From mattjpc@gmail.com Thu Jun 24 08:13:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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23 Jun 2004 14:14:11 -0000 Message-ID: <40D9902F.2010007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:14:07 -0700 From: Matt Pidd--Cheshire User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040623 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] using dvd/rw as WORM drive for venti on USB interface Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > if you ever work with distributed file systems, we'll be waiting for you true and this proj will eventually need a large distributed system and i don't care where the data comes from as long as it arrives fast and reliably ... ... and to take us out, Mr. Eric Idle ... Full speed ahead Mr. Pentium! ... I love to tinker with plan9'er and sail the code of old 8c to find, explore the timing for sure and skirt the shoals of profiled C it can be manly to skip the opt stage we'll profile the code every three (runs) it's all incorruptible though slower and ineluctable we're sailing on the output of 8c! -- To the tune of Monty Python's Accountancy Shanty ;-) From bwc@coraid.com Thu Jun 24 08:13:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 23 23:41:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a06502c_c523_11d8_8dc0_00304828b574_2835; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B686B345B99 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 69d3a8a2_c523_11d8_865a_00304828b574_2832; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:29 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 977677580FA; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:29 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6CE7580F9 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 699278f0_c523_11d8_80ef_00304828b574_2829; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B8F345B99 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 68b8446e_c523_11d8_8803_00304828b574_2826; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:41:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E7991A07B for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:41:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85CA419CE7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02006-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CEBE919AF1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9b42325da46c2228defda10380687aa8@coraid.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Brantley Coile Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:36:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] upas lock failures X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Looks like the file server doesn't allow uid none to do a wstat. If this is true, how can the lock code in upas ever work? /n/sources/plan9/rc/bin/service shows tcp25 there, where it will be executed as none. Is this what everyone is doing? Brantley From eli@cs.wisc.edu Thu Jun 24 08:13:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 02:09:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0c0fbb24_c538_11d8_82ce_00304828b574_5489; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827B63450F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0bdd1d5e_c538_11d8_8546_00304828b574_5476; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 631087580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5467580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0b9bb36e_c538_11d8_8d6e_00304828b574_5449; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EB63450F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ae931e4_c538_11d8_9510_00304828b574_5344; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:09:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 84B811A110 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:08:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D9EB2199F9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10351-01-81 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wasabi.cs.wisc.edu (wasabi.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.166.35]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 613A4199F4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (eli@localhost) by wasabi.cs.wisc.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA00933 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:08:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:08:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Eli Collins To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CD install help In-Reply-To: <2e7cc85343187d7d28a4a1f74dce408d@snellwilcox.com> Message-ID: References: <2e7cc85343187d7d28a4a1f74dce408d@snellwilcox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu thank you for the reply. > Did you enter the path to the disk exactly '/dev/sdD0/data' ? yes, several times. careful to use sdD0 and not sdDO. > Perhaps you have an old distribution image? I did exactly this i got the latest iso this morning, same results. some extra info... modified mountdist to echo Unknown disk type "$disk" and the message becomes Unknown disk type "/dev/sdD0/data" eli From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jun 24 08:13:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 02:55:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d3b1d9c_c53e_11d8_919a_00304828b574_17745; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:55:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BD63442FE for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:55:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7d04e2cc_c53e_11d8_8018_00304828b574_17741; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:55:18 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C6B79758111; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:55:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D13A75810A for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:55:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 75eb4b20_c53e_11d8_92ae_00304828b574_17326; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:55:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355BD345257 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:39:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 472ab890_c53c_11d8_992d_00304828b574_32258; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:39:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B192A1A0A6 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:39:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9E6BC19B2E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29756-01-71 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ensc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (ensc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.2.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 124F219AF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca [136.159.5.9]) by ensc.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NHYWjl028236 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:34:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from fbsd (fbsd [136.159.7.68]) by imgw1.cpsc.ucalgary.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NHYSpj005321 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:34:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:34:22 -0600 (MDT) From: andrey mirtchovski To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CD install help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 23 Jun 2004, Eli Collins wrote: > Unknown disk type "/dev/sdD0/data" > did you try '/dev/sdC1/data'? From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Thu Jun 24 08:13:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 04:18:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23590bca_c54a_11d8_934b_00304828b574_25125; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:18:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EF9344564 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:18:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 231dd71c_c54a_11d8_9662_00304828b574_25118; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:18:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2E80275810A; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:18:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBA37580FC for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:18:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 20f1f310_c54a_11d8_94f1_00304828b574_25078; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:18:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDBB3452BE for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:05:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 55e4db48_c548_11d8_8226_00304828b574_10836; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:05:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B3DFA1A0A4 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EDEA519AC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26600-03-12 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9D23F19A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4247224FD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 43EA129; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:27 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c Message-ID: <20040623190527.GC43202@mero.morphisms.net> References: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com> <20040623012317.5480.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040623012317.5480.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 09:23:17PM -0400, Scott Schwartz wrote: > | in the new plan9port update, x11-init.c:352 is missing an argument > | to the smprint statement. the correct line is: > > Gcc has a way to tell the compiler to check printf like varargs functions. > Given the impact, maybe the ports should use that, at the cost of some ifdefs. Gcc does not have a general mechanism for this, unlike Ken's compiler. And I think switching from print to printf simply isn't practical. From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Thu Jun 24 08:13:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 04:19:42 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4732ce14_c54a_11d8_9863_00304828b574_26294; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFA73446FA for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 46f98230_c54a_11d8_9a5c_00304828b574_26291; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id A93F6758111; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F1475810D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4419fc02_c54a_11d8_87fe_00304828b574_26238; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:19:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B099344348 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:07:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d759fc0_c548_11d8_8807_00304828b574_12572; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:07:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C6621A0B0 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:07:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14B3F19C3D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26600-03-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD43B19A40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902B724FD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 92C9529; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:07:04 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] x11-init.c Message-ID: <20040623190704.GD43202@mero.morphisms.net> References: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <34411952-C49C-11D8-9BEC-000A9599CA60@google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 03:33:37PM -0700, Rob 'Commander' Pike wrote: > russ is unreachable so i thought i'd just pass this info along here. > in the new plan9port update, x11-init.c:352 is missing an argument > to the smprint statement. the correct line is: > if(home!=nil && (file=smprint("%s/.Xdefaults", > home)) != nil){ > on some machines this causes disastrous failure unless fixed. While Russ is away, I'll accept bug fixes (only) and commit them to the CVS repository. -WJ p.s. Rotate my username appropriately to send me mail. 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:19:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:19:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Eli Collins To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] CD install help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu % echo dma off > /dev/sdD0/ctl did the trick. seems dma was not turned off by default. also the load meter was 100% whenever the cd drive was being accessed, so i just assumed dma was off. foolish. thanks for all the help. eli From robpike@gmail.com Thu Jun 24 08:13:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.12 with SMTP id p12mr303737cwc; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7359f0490406231324515faa83@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:24:53 -0700 From: Rob Pike To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock In-Reply-To: <90fc526d76991a36a045593f14155a90@davidashen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <90fc526d76991a36a045593f14155a90@davidashen.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu you can't do that. what if you do the first unlock, then someone else locks it in the interim. you'll unlock his lock. bad bad bad. -rob From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Thu Jun 24 08:13:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5NKlLdV005709 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5NKlLK16116 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:47:21 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406232047.i5NKlLK16116@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu yet another instance of 'spending some time on plan9port on sunos 5.8'. lib9/create.c needs/uses bsd-style flock which is not available by default, but accessable using /usr/usb/cc (this is what I figure from the source and sun's flock man page) LOCK_SH and LOCK_EX can be found using /usr/ucbinclude/sys/file.h and there is a ucb compatibility library. Any good idea for a way around? I tried a straightforward addition of -I/sys/ucbinclude in 9c and -L/sys/ucblib -lucb to 9lbiut that is obviously not good enough. it works for some files breaks breaks on some others :-( Yet another thing I don't know much about... Axel. From dvd@davidashen.net Thu Jun 24 08:13:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 06:01:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 73816440_c558_11d8_919d_00304828b574_19097; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D508D344E0C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 733e4b10_c558_11d8_9aab_00304828b574_19060; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:08 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B79C87580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3E97580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 72fe2102_c558_11d8_9925_00304828b574_19057; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F7E344E0C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 722a5b56_c558_11d8_8ab7_00304828b574_18952; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:01:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD9DC1A0C6 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:01:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5113A19B2D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29404-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stub.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 153B919ABA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (adat.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.1]) by stub.davidashen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5NL12S4025246 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:01:02 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5NKw2JI044505 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 01:58:02 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 02:00:43 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <7359f0490406231324515faa83@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > you can't do that. what if you do the first unlock, > then someone else locks it in the interim. you'll > unlock his lock. bad bad bad. > > -rob It happens in a critical section guarded by another mutex. Noone else can unlock my lock. Should I uncomment the commented-out calls below? void A() { againA: qlock(a); qlock(q); if(x) { qunlock(q); goto againA; } /* canqlock(b); */ qunlock(b); qunlock(q); qunlock(a); } void B() { againB: qlock(b); qlock(q); if(y){ qunlock(q); goto againB; } /* canqlock(a); */ qunlock(a); qunlock(q); qunlock(b); } From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 24 08:13:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 06:15:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7cb3e400_c55a_11d8_8cb8_00304828b574_30706; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630FE345376 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c818730_c55a_11d8_821f_00304828b574_30703; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 45D1A7580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19A17580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7c420c36_c55a_11d8_8daa_00304828b574_30700; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 109F0345376 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7b96837a_c55a_11d8_96c1_00304828b574_30697; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:15:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA6FE1A0F5 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:15:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9B8D019D02 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25089-02-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 41EF719C10 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 173B737AAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:15:18 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <03d101c45966$dcc2d9b0$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:12:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu restructure the code and make sure you lock/unlock in the same 'order': lock: A B C D E unlock: E D C B A you could use canlock, but i think yer inviting races. and get _rid_ of those gotos! From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 24 08:13:23 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 06:20:40 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d668802_c55b_11d8_920e_00304828b574_2141; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9E7E345DAE for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2d2fd4e2_c55b_11d8_8d39_00304828b574_2138; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:39 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B676A7580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5A27580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2cf4bf7e_c55b_11d8_8975_00304828b574_2135; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E459345DAE for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2c49143a_c55b_11d8_9938_00304828b574_2132; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:20:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B7E521A072 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:20:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B1ACB19E2F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:20:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29404-01-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8348A19DFE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A2D7737A06 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <03da01c45967$8d48ab70$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200406232047.i5NKlLK16116@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port: flock on sunos5.8? Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:17:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu look at all the lock calls, write down what they're doing, avoid /usr/ucb/cc and code a better algorithm. all that lunix locking stuff is hideous. i've only ever seen it done right once. 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Use of these interfaces with any of the system libraries or in multi-thread applica- tions is unsupported. i think that it is very difficult to use the sun flock(), without breaking many things. what is the intended effect? perhaps another lock function (lockf(), fcntl(), etc) can be used? my plan9port is plan9-20040517.tar.gz and does not have flock() in plan9/src/lib9/create.c perhaps the benefits of adding flock() are not worth the problems it creates? then flock() could be removed. bengt From drwho8@att.net Thu Jun 24 23:30:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 18:05:35 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6f81854_c5bd_11d8_97fe_00304828b574_22904; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73173344F31 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a6c23c48_c5bd_11d8_9b0e_00304828b574_22901; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5EED87580FB; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6877580FA for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a68d49e8_c5bd_11d8_9237_00304828b574_22897; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BE0344F31 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a5d926fc_c5bd_11d8_8e81_00304828b574_22886; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:05:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B4131A145 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:05:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA9151A118 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12527-01-6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 78ECB1A115 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BdQ9J-0003rW-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:04:01 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:02:55 GMT From: Gregg C Levine Message-ID: <7ppCc.21650$OB3.20864@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AT&T Worldnet Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Installation space X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hello from Gregg C Levine What are the particulars for installing Plan9? Smallest IDE drive size? Largest? Obviously the upper limit is that of the computer's BIOS, but that's not really relevant. Gregg C Levine drwho8 atsign att dot net This signature is currently present on Tatooine hearding Banthas. 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0b, it can be booted from the CD m From dvd@davidashen.net Thu Jun 24 23:30:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 19:59:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8cd360fe_c5cd_11d8_92c8_00304828b574_24244; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A03034582D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c9ecb0a_c5cd_11d8_8465_00304828b574_24241; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6BCDE7580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209DB7580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c5ce44c_c5cd_11d8_8826_00304828b574_24238; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6C834582D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8baeb70a_c5cd_11d8_9aff_00304828b574_24235; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:59:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8F0E91A154 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 650571A149 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06608-02-45 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stub.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2E4AE19BE2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (adat.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.1]) by stub.davidashen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OAxES4026669 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:59:14 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OAu8JI049216 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:56:08 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:58:49 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Maybe it's just that it's too early and I got soo few coffee, but, > do meant this, didn't you? No, I didn't; I mean that under certain condition each of the processes steps aside and opens the way for the other one until the other one executes at least once. The original code does exactly that. Your changes just spin each of the processes once the corresponding condition becomes true. > >> void >> A() >> { > > qlock(a); > againA: > >> qlock(q); >> if(x) { >> qunlock(q); >> goto againA; >> } > .... > > >> void >> B() >> { > > qlock(b); > againB: > >> qlock(q); >> if(y){ >> qunlock(q); >> goto againB; >> } > .... From dvd@davidashen.net Thu Jun 24 23:30:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 20:02:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 04b57058_c5ce_11d8_947e_00304828b574_27439; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 701DC344D99 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 045cd01a_c5ce_11d8_8105_00304828b574_27435; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5B7847580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F8B7580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0421ec52_c5ce_11d8_84a7_00304828b574_27432; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222AB344D99 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0374a196_c5ce_11d8_8a96_00304828b574_27429; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:02:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 63C031A18E for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:02:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9015C1A149 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24548-01-31 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stub.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 312601A134 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (adat.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.1]) by stub.davidashen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OB2YS4026686 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:02:34 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OAxVJI049238 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:59:31 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:02:16 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> /* canqlock(b); */ >> qunlock(b); > > This is very weird for me. > Can't you rework your scheme to avoid such things? > Perhaps this code is suggesting that your locking > conventions may need more work. That's why I am asking. What exactly is weird? The code actually works in SPIN (as a model), and in Python (but I check locked() before unlocking). The purpose is to have multiple producers and consumers on an queue with exclusive access, with priority always given to consumers if there are waiting ones and the queue is not empty. The implementation of qlock/qunlock allows to unlock when not locked; I am asking whether it is by design or by a coincidence? David From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 24 23:30:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 20:15:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3c32dd6_c5cf_11d8_806c_00304828b574_5287; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41E2345865 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3903732_c5cf_11d8_9a73_00304828b574_5284; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 961A57580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C34D7580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c34f39a8_c5cf_11d8_8e04_00304828b574_5281; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58AFB345865 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c29f943a_c5cf_11d8_8243_00304828b574_5274; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:15:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 832531A15D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:15:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5DBB71A154 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27316-01-48 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D397D1A145 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <654d53c4d1f6b9eee94b572acd25d545@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:14:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The purpose is to have multiple producers and consumers on an queue > with exclusive access, with priority always given to consumers if there > are waiting ones and the queue is not empty. Why don't you use channels to implement your sleep/wakeup mechanism. Using a lock to do so is weird for me, but perhaps others are used to it. From drwho8@att.net Thu Jun 24 23:30:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 20:24:18 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0809a38e_c5d1_11d8_872f_00304828b574_14399; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:24:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4325344B25 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:24:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07417fc6_c5d1_11d8_9af1_00304828b574_14390; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:24:17 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5FE7D7580FB; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:24:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F261B7580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:24:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 062c521e_c5d1_11d8_9101_00304828b574_14343; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:24:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E08344B25 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 738da552_c5d0_11d8_807d_00304828b574_9786; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:20:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 91DC51A198 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:20:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2EC3D1A159 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27318-01-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CD97B1A15A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BdSED-0005Ra-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:17:13 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:14:11 GMT From: Gregg C Levine Message-ID: Organization: AT&T Worldnet Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII References: <7ppCc.21650$OB3.20864@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, <2fb72f1b2e44ef6b2ae9ded0571a0bec@juice.thebigchoice.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation space X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu In article <2fb72f1b2e44ef6b2ae9ded0571a0bec@juice.thebigchoice.com>, matt@proweb.co.uk says... > >Smallest IDE drive size? > >0b, it can be booted from the CD > >m Hello from Gregg C Levine I know that much. The install notes mention that. I meant what siz drive did can it be installed on. I've got a few of the smaller IDE drives here. <1GB Gregg C Levine drwho8 atsign att dot net From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu Jun 24 23:30:20 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 20:33:58 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61c87d40_c5d2_11d8_89db_00304828b574_24629; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:33:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC21344243 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:33:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 61071632_c5d2_11d8_8072_00304828b574_24615; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:33:57 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AF1067580FD; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:33:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BFF758100 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:33:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 602228f6_c5d2_11d8_89a4_00304828b574_24601; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:33:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282FA344257 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:25:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 3e29ac48_c5d1_11d8_90ac_00304828b574_15657; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:25:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 85C401A16A for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:25:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2A2A51A15B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 06611-03-15 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail56.messagelabs.com (mail56.messagelabs.com [193.109.254.67]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 833B31A159 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:25:27 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: steve@snellwilcox.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-56.messagelabs.com!1088076325!11141565 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 14540 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2004 11:25:26 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-12.tower-56.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2004 11:25:26 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:25:40 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OBS5Er011778 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:28:06 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:25:24 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation space In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I have installed the current distribution on 2Gb drives and had enough room to play around in; more is better of course. Once you have a stable install you could use the striping device to put multiple tiny disks together :-^ -Steve From dvd@davidashen.net Thu Jun 24 23:30:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 21:19:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b3d0cab0_c5d8_11d8_8b67_00304828b574_592; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72955344F86 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b3a041a6_c5d8_11d8_943c_00304828b574_588; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5542A7580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:12 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095477580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b35e6c40_c5d8_11d8_8d44_00304828b574_581; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17ECE344F86 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b2aff3fe_c5d8_11d8_94e3_00304828b574_510; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:19:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A573D19B98 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:19:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7164919B4B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02924-04-70 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stub.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 43E3E19AE4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (adat.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.1]) by stub.davidashen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OCJ4S4026811 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:19:04 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OCFxJI049540 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:15:59 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:18:44 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <654d53c4d1f6b9eee94b572acd25d545@plan9.escet.urjc.es> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> The purpose is to have multiple producers and consumers on an queue >> with exclusive access, with priority always given to consumers if there >> are waiting ones and the queue is not empty. > > > Why don't you use channels to implement your sleep/wakeup > mechanism. Using a lock to do so is weird for me, but perhaps others > are used to it. Channels and qlocks are the same thing, aren't they? From nemo@lsub.org Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:09:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c7316dc4_c5df_11d8_9e64_00304828b574_16210; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9BF3446D3 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c6fb1ea4_c5df_11d8_8d2f_00304828b574_16207; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 50BD47580FB; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072B47580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c6bfaaea_c5df_11d8_97d0_00304828b574_16203; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0969B3446D3 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c609bca8_c5df_11d8_8ea4_00304828b574_16198; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:09:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 38D251A0E9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 14E1919BF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22164-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sargazos.escet.urjc.es (sargazos.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.206]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C7D619C63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <69fb9e9b38b36c29f5655c37e869409b@plan9.escet.urjc.es> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock From: "Fco. J. Ballesteros" Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:09:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Channels and qlocks are the same thing, aren't they? In the end, all might be the same. But a qlock, for me, is a lock. I acquire it, I release it later. A channel on the other hand is something that lets me send/recv. That can be used to do a sleep/wakeup approach, as well as a I want this, take that one. From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:16:00 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a29dbd72_c5e0_11d8_8028_00304828b574_21080; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FC7A344B05 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a26d7f4a_c5e0_11d8_885c_00304828b574_21074; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:59 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 74C247580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:59 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC027580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a22ee73a_c5e0_11d8_86ec_00304828b574_21071; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E920344B05 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a1832dc8_c5e0_11d8_97d5_00304828b574_21065; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:15:58 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5FF7F1A149 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:15:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C44FD19C92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15862-03-9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3146D19C83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation space Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:15:37 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <7ppCc.21650$OB3.20864@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > What are the particulars for installing Plan9? Smallest IDE drive size? Largest? > Obviously the upper limit is that of the computer's BIOS, but that's not > really relevant. the entire installation is definitely less than a gigabyte, including sources. make sure you choose kfs while installing, your fossil will fill up a small disk rather quickly and i wouldn't advise trying to configure its snaptimes immediately after a first install. according to my venti the initial install was less than 650MB. it grew to a gigabyte after 14 days of use, only after i moved /usr/andrey from kfs to it: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/screenshots/venti-size-july03.gif andrey From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:20:26 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4150e0fc_c5e1_11d8_8c27_00304828b574_24999; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3F2344D8D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 411e6b5e_c5e1_11d8_9c62_00304828b574_24996; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:25 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AC2E67580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:25 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAFB7580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 40dbb732_c5e1_11d8_97f1_00304828b574_24993; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702D0344D94 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 402e8ad0_c5e1_11d8_9356_00304828b574_24988; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:20:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6313C1A15C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:20:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 68DB619C98 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27198-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4397C19BF8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D372724FD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CABCF28; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:20:02 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port: flock on sunos5.8? Message-ID: <20040624132002.GB48518@mero.morphisms.net> References: <200406232047.i5NKlLK16116@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 09:03:08AM +0000, Bengt Kleberg wrote: > my plan9port is plan9-20040517.tar.gz and does not have flock() in > plan9/src/lib9/create.c > perhaps the benefits of adding flock() are not worth the problems it > creates? then flock() could be removed. It is needed for OLOCK emulation (we have something that uses the Plan 9 ports stuff and requires a lockfile for correct operation). From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:23:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a433b6d6_c5e1_11d8_8ba1_00304828b574_27413; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9E2344EB4 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3f2d896_c5e1_11d8_8adb_00304828b574_27409; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7D7F87580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346B97580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a3b0daf4_c5e1_11d8_93a2_00304828b574_27371; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9F4344EB4 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a2fe6fd6_c5e1_11d8_933e_00304828b574_27295; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:23:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 705C81A091 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:23:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7D46119D09 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15862-03-24 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6078C19CA6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3444724FD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2B24528; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:22:53 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port: flock on sunos5.8? Message-ID: <20040624132253.GC48518@mero.morphisms.net> References: <200406232047.i5NKlLK16116@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> <20040624132002.GB48518@mero.morphisms.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040624132002.GB48518@mero.morphisms.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 09:20:02AM -0400, William Josephson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 09:03:08AM +0000, Bengt Kleberg wrote: > > my plan9port is plan9-20040517.tar.gz and does not have flock() in > > plan9/src/lib9/create.c > > perhaps the benefits of adding flock() are not worth the problems it > > creates? then flock() could be removed. > > It is needed for OLOCK emulation (we have something that Er. DMEXCL. Sorry. In any case, I don't think the answer is to make exclusive use impossible. From forsyth@vitanuova.com Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:28:24 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e1b86fa_c5e2_11d8_8d2b_00304828b574_31490; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983AA344F89 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5de82cf6_c5e2_11d8_8e5d_00304828b574_31487; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:23 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 7941A7580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:23 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1F07580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5da66c1c_c5e2_11d8_8bb2_00304828b574_31484; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43759344F89 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5cfba390_c5e2_11d8_9af7_00304828b574_31481; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:28:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76EC31A0CB for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:28:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2159819D56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 22164-01-83 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1ACB419D1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Installation space From: C H Forsyth Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:34:08 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu du on sources gives 213 mbytes, which includes source and x86 executables. you'll need rather more to recompile everything (if you care), but even so you should still fit reasonably well in under 1 gbyte. From sape@huygens.org Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:31:15 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c3dff14c_c5e2_11d8_8499_00304828b574_1715; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:31:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A6B34461E for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:31:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c1b76f62_c5e2_11d8_83a9_00304828b574_1511; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:31:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D36597580FE; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:31:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDAE7580FD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:31:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c16d0be8_c5e2_11d8_8ac3_00304828b574_1506; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:31:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85992344FAD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:30:54 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b7bd1d22_c5e2_11d8_83fa_00304828b574_801; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:30:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AF4011A13D for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:30:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B8F8619D1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15862-03-39 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com (outside.cs.bell-labs.com [204.178.31.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3471F19D74 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <46f7f6c603513986b01e8db2581621cb@plan9.bell-labs.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:30:22 -0400 From: Sape Mullender In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The purpose is to have multiple producers and consumers on an queue > with exclusive access, with priority always given to consumers if there > are waiting ones and the queue is not empty. I can imagine one would want to give priority to consumers over producers= , but the danger is that the performance gained by such a thing is more tha= n offset by the cost of the mechanism. Putting something on a queue or taking something off is not an expensive operation. The number of instructions needed is typically somewhere betw= een a dozen and a gross. The queue must be protected by a lock (unless one uses a non-blocking que= ue implementation, but that's another story). QLocks themselves also have q= ueues and they, in turn, are protected by spin locks. If your queue is fairly light weight, I would recommend just using lock()= and unlock() to protect them. When you try to lock when it's already locked,= you'll waste cycles by spinning (but fewer than you might think), but when you u= se qlocks =E2=80=94 and especially when you use three of them =E2=80=94 you'= ll end up wasting far more cycles. I'd say forget about giving priority to consumers; it's not worth it. Sape From Axel.Belinfante@cs.utwente.nl Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:43:41 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80dd0ee6_c5e4_11d8_8562_00304828b574_12136; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33AE3458DA for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80aa2788_c5e4_11d8_911b_00304828b574_12133; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:40 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C4B5C7580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:40 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780987580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 80671880_c5e4_11d8_8d71_00304828b574_12130; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A4E3458DA for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 7f98f090_c5e4_11d8_8de5_00304828b574_12127; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:43:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8C61D1A12C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9EC5119D9B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15758-01-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5F32A19D69 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zeus.cs.utwente.nl (zeus.cs.utwente.nl [130.89.10.12]) by utrhcs.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i5ODhHxj008557 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:43:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (zamenhof [130.89.13.77]) by zeus.cs.utwente.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i5ODhHdV001960 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:43:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (belinfan@localhost) by zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id i5ODhHX11030 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:43:17 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200406241343.i5ODhHX11030@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> X-Authentication-Warning: zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl: belinfan@localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 2.6.3 04/04/2003 with version: MH 6.8.3 #20[UCI] To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port (: flock) on sunos5.8? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:03:08 +0000." References: <200406232047.i5NKlLK16116@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> From: Axel Belinfante X-Organisation: University of Twente, Department of Computer Science, Formal Methods and Tools Group, PO Box 217, NL-7500 AE Enschede, The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 53 4893774 X-Telefax: +31 53 4893247 X-Face: 3YGZY^_!}k]>-k'9$LK?8GXbi?vs=2v*ut, /8z, z!(QNBk_>~:~"MJ_%i`sLLqGN, DGbkT@ N\jhX/jNLTz2hO_R"*RF(%bRvk+M, iU7SvVJtC*\B6Ud<7~`MGMp7rCI6LVp=%k=HE?-UCV?[p\$R? mI\n2/!#3/wZZsa[m7d;PKWiuH6'~ List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > > lib9/create.c needs/uses bsd-style flock which is not available by default, > > but accessable using /usr/usb/cc > i think that it is very difficult to use the sun flock(), without > breaking many things. > > what is the intended effect? perhaps another lock function (lockf(), > fcntl(), etc) can be used? > my plan9port is plan9-20040517.tar.gz ... I'm using the cvs access, and updated yesterday or so. Actually, the problem is rather limited: there are only two calls. (I posted here mainly because, as I wrote, I knew nothing about it). they are used to implement the OLOCK mode bit for create and open, in lib9/^(create open)^.c according to the sun man page, the compatibility flock builds on fcntl so I decided to just use fcntl directly. I added a #include to the list of includes and a struct flock lockdata variable to the routine (create or open), and then I replaced if(flock(fd, (rdwr==OREAD) ? LOCK_SH : LOCK_EX) < 0){ by lockdata.l_type = (rdwr==OREAD) ? F_RDLCK : F_WRLCK; lockdata.l_whence = SEEK_SET; lockdata.l_start = 0; lockdata.l_len = 0; if(fcntl(fd, F_SETLK, &lockdata) < 0){ which at least compiles ok, and as far as I could figure from the man pages should have the right effect. One other thing needs attention in this plan9port version: libip/eipfmt.c has the following definition that sun cc does not grok uchar prefixvals[256] = { [0x00] 0 | Isprefix, [0x80] 1 | Isprefix, [0xC0] 2 | Isprefix, [0xE0] 3 | Isprefix, [0xF0] 4 | Isprefix, [0xF8] 5 | Isprefix, [0xFC] 6 | Isprefix, [0xFE] 7 | Isprefix, [0xFF] 8 | Isprefix, }; I moved the initialization inside the eipfmt routine. for the rest of this plan9port version... compilation when fine, apart from some warnings: in libdraw/x11-init.c in XParseGeometry signed/unsigned int warning for &width and &height in cmd/9660/dump9660.c in convertnames a couple of (void*) casts where sun cc prefers (char* (*)(char*,char*)) in cmd/9660/unix.c a superflous `;' at the end of dirtoxdir furthermore: gview.c:173: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -5592321 gview.c:174: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -872414977 gview.c:175: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -5635841 gview.c:177: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1431699201 gview.c:182: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1431633921 gview.c:184: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1728013825 gview.c:185: warning: initializer does not fit or is out of range: -1145324545 I do have some own hacks that I did not remove when updating from cvs, and I did not test (use) much yet, after compiling, but what I have tried works fine. Axel. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:44:09 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91b6a754_c5e4_11d8_8a60_00304828b574_12697; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222803458DC for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 917a8512_c5e4_11d8_84e9_00304828b574_12691; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0D2E87580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E3D7580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 91409ee2_c5e4_11d8_8588_00304828b574_12652; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70743458DC for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 90917af2_c5e4_11d8_97f0_00304828b574_12581; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:44:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 078741A163 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:44:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BAB1E1A09D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15758-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5EF2519DAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id EEDBA378CC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:43:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <061701c459f1$0f409e60$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:42:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > The implementation of qlock/qunlock allows to unlock when not locked; > I am asking whether it is by design or by a coincidence? i'd say design. unlocking things that are not locked is a BUG. From boyd@insultant.net Thu Jun 24 23:30:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Thu Jun 24 22:49:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d1c5650_c5e5_11d8_89ed_00304828b574_17709; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D1B3458F8 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ce4aade_c5e5_11d8_97fd_00304828b574_17706; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 4FB7B7580FA; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072DF7580F9 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5caa0ad2_c5e5_11d8_837d_00304828b574_17703; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6C93458F8 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5bfeab7e_c5e5_11d8_8e44_00304828b574_17700; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:49:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08D3D1A11E for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:49:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 76C6319DBA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09858-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf01.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.78]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 23FFC19DAA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F2C51377E9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:49:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <063801c459f1$d90c5130$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: Subject: Re: [9fans] qunlock Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:47:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Channels and qlocks are the same thing, aren't they? 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From jkw@eecs.harvard.edu Fri Jun 25 18:31:17 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 25 00:26:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d3054dce_c5f2_11d8_8364_00304828b574_5877; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBAE3459D1 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d2d003e4_c5f2_11d8_9ce3_00304828b574_5874; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8EC017580FA; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452E17580F9 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d28f4278_c5f2_11d8_935d_00304828b574_5837; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFEA3459D1 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d1ddf248_c5f2_11d8_8f73_00304828b574_5766; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:26:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D85FF1A16C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:26:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EB01019DFA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19239-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from holo.morphisms.net (holo.morphisms.net [66.93.84.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C491619C11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mero.morphisms.net (mero.morphisms.net [66.93.84.246]) by holo.morphisms.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743C024FD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mero.morphisms.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6375C28; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:25:50 -0400 From: William Josephson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port (: flock) on sunos5.8? Message-ID: <20040624152550.GA49216@mero.morphisms.net> References: <200406232047.i5NKlLK16116@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> <200406241343.i5ODhHX11030@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200406241343.i5ODhHX11030@zamenhof.cs.utwente.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-No-archive: yes X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Thu, Jun 24, 2004 at 03:43:16PM +0200, Axel Belinfante wrote: > I added a #include to the list of includes and a > struct flock lockdata variable to the routine (create or open), > and then I replaced Send me a patch and maybe once I get the SunRay on my desk working again I can try rolling the changes into the tree.. 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The install notes mention that. I meant what siz drive did can it be > installed on. I've got a few of the smaller IDE drives here. <1GB My full plan9 installation (with fossil) is on a 512Mb Compact Flash. 100Mb is still free. 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David From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 25 18:31:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 25 02:47:25 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d7a5812_c606_11d8_89c6_00304828b574_32578; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F883459E0 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d489732_c606_11d8_9efc_00304828b574_32575; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:24 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D46367580FA; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:24 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC857580F9 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8d080780_c606_11d8_8003_00304828b574_32572; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEFA3459E0 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8c5d3332_c606_11d8_9e97_00304828b574_32569; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 02:47:24 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 516821A0BD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:47:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 350E119BF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01442-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E0F419ABD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7453868c152cc2e88a2c895aaafff3fc@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:53:05 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <6f3af3c7c66f138cfae1f1c65fe3fe01@davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > cpu% con -l /srv/fscons << EOF how is con supposed to know that it should wait for some output from the transaction? 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boundary="upas-wyoleylwsylmlcirlidqvtqkov" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-wyoleylwsylmlcirlidqvtqkov Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i wondered whether expect(1) could be useful. just a thought: don't blame me if it isn't! --upas-wyoleylwsylmlcirlidqvtqkov Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Jun 24 18:48:35 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 22F181A14F for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:47:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 350E119BF5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01442-01-44 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E0F419ABD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7453868c152cc2e88a2c895aaafff3fc@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:53:05 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <6f3af3c7c66f138cfae1f1c65fe3fe01@davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu > cpu% con -l /srv/fscons << EOF how is con supposed to know that it should wait for some output from the transaction? --upas-wyoleylwsylmlcirlidqvtqkov-- From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 25 18:31:21 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu expect is huge. (it includes all of tcl). it seems to me that there's room for a filesystem control interface to fossil (in fact the interactive element could just be an interface to that) and then hacks such as expect would be unnecessary for this purpose, and more sophisticated programmability would be straightforward. same applies to venti. what's with that http interface anyway? 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Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug From: Charles Forsyth Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:14:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <9f994caae0ea0e0ae90967a06ac6ce7b@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-bimdpbvttvuiefqlswyatgxrul" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-bimdpbvttvuiefqlswyatgxrul Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit humph. see man 1 expect dial/expect --upas-bimdpbvttvuiefqlswyatgxrul Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; Thu Jun 24 19:12:37 BST 2004 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EAE881A0BE for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:11:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 37B6819BC2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00545-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4543219BAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9f994caae0ea0e0ae90967a06ac6ce7b@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:17:16 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <5974328efb4e4b734de0d1672977553a@terzarima.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu expect is huge. (it includes all of tcl). it seems to me that there's room for a filesystem control interface to fossil (in fact the interactive element could just be an interface to that) and then hacks such as expect would be unnecessary for this purpose, and more sophisticated programmability would be straightforward. same applies to venti. what's with that http interface anyway? --upas-bimdpbvttvuiefqlswyatgxrul-- From dvd@davidashen.net Fri Jun 25 18:31:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 25 03:38:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aab363ae_c60d_11d8_8f2a_00304828b574_15854; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77463345224 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa807fe8_c60d_11d8_875d_00304828b574_15851; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:20 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 582127580FA; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:20 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DDD27580F9 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id aa3e9196_c60d_11d8_9f02_00304828b574_15848; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A724345224 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id a98f00e6_c60d_11d8_8f60_00304828b574_15845; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:38:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1392E1A11A for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:38:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 00D3119C3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:37:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03540-01-16 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stub.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC32219D19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (adat.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.1]) by stub.davidashen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OIcBS4027441 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:38:11 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Received: from tin.home.davidashen.net (none@tin.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.27]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5OIZ2JI051089 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:35:05 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Message-ID: <71c3fdee35f530673fe504e36d037dfc@davidashen.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:37:49 +0500 From: dvd@davidashen.net In-Reply-To: <7453868c152cc2e88a2c895aaafff3fc@vitanuova.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >> cpu% con -l /srv/fscons << EOF > > how is con supposed to know that it should wait for some output > from the transaction? OK. I don't understand something basic. cpu% con -l /srv/fscons fsys main df .... waiting a few minutes... df .... waiting a few minutes and still nothing happens df ... gave up ... Ctl-\ Ctl-D cpu% con -l /srv/fscons main: 396,304,384 used + 105,299,968 free = 501 604 352 (79% used) main: 396,304,384 used + 105,299,968 free = 501 604 352 (79% used) main: 396,304,384 used + 105,299,968 free = 501 604 352 (79% used) From rog@vitanuova.com Fri Jun 25 18:31:22 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Fri Jun 25 03:41:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23b6f310_c60e_11d8_9140_00304828b574_18158; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774ED345247 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 237fdc18_c60e_11d8_8a81_00304828b574_18153; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 62D2E7580FA; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A3747580F9 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 23459ec2_c60e_11d8_8ccc_00304828b574_18150; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27329345247 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22963770_c60e_11d8_944c_00304828b574_18146; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:41:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E2E2A19B9C for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:18:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8DCB519CB6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01442-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B487A19BAC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3b45f42af86680740521d2680b97cf45@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:23:54 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > humph. see man 1 expect sorry, that'll teach me to type "whatis expect" and assume the worst... 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Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:43:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 565d282a_c60e_11d8_9f28_00304828b574_19447; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:43:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FDAF1A0BD for ; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:43:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4637C19D19 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03542-01-2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7596619C00 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6542b7f3af5f987e9c65724504ab0286@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:49:00 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: <71c3fdee35f530673fe504e36d037dfc@davidashen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > cpu% con -l /srv/fscons > fsys main > df > .... waiting a few minutes... if it's still happening when being used interactively, that does indeed sound like a bug. it was just the <; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:58:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 755dc3c2_c610_11d8_8e1f_00304828b574_31828; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:58:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B63617580FA; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:58:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F4D7580F9 for ; 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Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.cegetel.net (mf00.sitadelle.com [212.94.174.77]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BBABA1A144 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SOMA (unknown [80.125.250.8]) by smtp.cegetel.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 87C6567255 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:57:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <070f01c45a1c$db4a4bc0$08fa7d50@SOMA> From: "boyd, rounin" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <71c3fdee35f530673fe504e36d037dfc@davidashen.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 20:55:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > >> cpu% con -l /srv/fscons << EOF > > > > how is con supposed to know that it should wait for some output > > from the transaction? > > OK. I don't understand something basic. yeah, con exits when reading fd 0 returns EOF, which will be pretty ricky-tick on a here document. 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If if you need ape right now you could apply the patch locally. -Steve From rminnich@lanl.gov Sat Jun 26 09:13:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 26 02:34:43 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f1893d88_c6cd_11d8_9210_00304828b574_29340; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:34:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5F834470F for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f0bd989a_c6cd_11d8_9c7a_00304828b574_29323; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 5E058758100; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:34:41 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA257580FA for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f05c2ea2_c6cd_11d8_935b_00304828b574_29314; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:34:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2643634470F for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:30:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 64d1fb3c_c6cd_11d8_82f3_00304828b574_24858; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:30:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5E4AB1A1B5 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:30:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5B1EB19B4C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20761-01-60 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (mailwasher.lanl.gov [192.16.0.25]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDAC919B6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailrelay1.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailwasher-b.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5PHUOCp025597 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:30:25 -0600 Received: from ccs-mail.lanl.gov (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailrelay1.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5PHUO3V012165 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:30:24 -0600 Received: from maxroach.lanl.gov (maxroach.lanl.gov [128.165.250.187]) by ccs-mail.lanl.gov (8.12.10/8.12.10/(ccn-5)) with ESMTP id i5PHUOwO031695 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:30:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:30:23 -0600 (MDT) From: ron minnich To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I'm trying to see which one is the FP. I thought the SP was the FP too but assembly code sez "nope" as far as I can tell. Anyone know? ron From rog@vitanuova.com Sat Jun 26 09:13:34 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 26 02:47:56 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca9cace4_c6cf_11d8_89c5_00304828b574_7473; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3E9345149 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca664884_c6cf_11d8_86a3_00304828b574_7470; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:56 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 45A7D7580FA; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:56 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14E87580F9 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ca2c05c0_c6cf_11d8_859f_00304828b574_7467; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124AE345149 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c981cbb4_c6cf_11d8_972c_00304828b574_7464; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:47:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 44CDF1A1B2 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:47:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 547C919C1A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 25089-03-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:47:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3751219C04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <90a3e63881750a184ef8b70e226c99ae@vitanuova.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:53:48 +0100 From: rog@vitanuova.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu no register is dedicated as a frame pointer. if you know the PC, you can find out the FP from the SP. From schwartz@bio.cse.psu.edu Sat Jun 26 09:13:35 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 26 06:00:53 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bea645ba_c6ea_11d8_920c_00304828b574_14404; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF56E345A6A for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be70e6c2_c6ea_11d8_8755_00304828b574_14401; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:52 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 701FF7580FB; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:52 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9AD7580FA for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id be15c512_c6ea_11d8_875c_00304828b574_14398; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F564345A6A for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bd696fba_c6ea_11d8_8dcf_00304828b574_14391; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 06:00:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 97F0A1A245 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:00:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1E81E1A18D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17661-01-53 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galapagos.bx.psu.edu (galapagos.bx.psu.edu [128.118.201.21]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 13E6B1A188 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17447 invoked by uid 991); 25 Jun 2004 21:00:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20040625210023.17446.qmail@g.galapagos.bx.psu.edu> Date: 25 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] fscons bug In-reply-to: <9f994caae0ea0e0ae90967a06ac6ce7b@vitanuova.com> References: <9f994caae0ea0e0ae90967a06ac6ce7b@vitanuova.com> Comments: In-reply-to rog@vitanuova.com message dated "Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:17:16 +0100." Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:00:23 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu | expect is huge. (it includes all of tcl). | | it seems to me that there's room for a filesystem control interface | to fossil (in fact the interactive element could just be an interface | to that) Yeah, like the original, tiny, tcl! From vthacker@0xfe.org Sat Jun 26 22:58:42 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 26 20:39:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 70dfb07a_c765_11d8_90a7_00304828b574_23993; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:39:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE22344A3D for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:39:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 70a73326_c765_11d8_8358_00304828b574_23987; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:39:10 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 461CF7580FE; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:39:09 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EF3758109 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:39:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ef64f62_c765_11d8_97ca_00304828b574_23811; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:39:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF96344A67 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:38:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f66c0fe_c765_11d8_952f_00304828b574_23193; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:38:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 085F419F21 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:38:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 6014C19E5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08380-02-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.0xfe.org (pc-211-8-214-187.ctktv.ne.jp [211.8.214.187]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0310619CEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vthacker by ns.0xfe.org with local (Exim 4.34) id 1BeBVr-00082M-Ji for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:38:27 +0900 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:38:27 +0900 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-ID: <20040626113827.GA30878@0xfe.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040523i From: Vester Thacker X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] SXM and Plan 9 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Has anyone used SMX with Plan 9? I'm interested to hear whether it is a good implementation of Scheme under Plan 9. Or should I consider another version? Any schemers out there? Thanks in advance. --Vester Thacker From andrew.lynch@knuut.de Sat Jun 26 22:58:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 26 20:58:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27b5cb34_c768_11d8_8725_00304828b574_8881; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F4C345D8B for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2782fdc6_c768_11d8_9a80_00304828b574_8878; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:36 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id ED1237580FA; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B7A7580F9 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27427e04_c768_11d8_96f8_00304828b574_8875; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58F9345D8B for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2696a5ca_c768_11d8_85a5_00304828b574_8872; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:58:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 95E3919F19 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:58:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA38F19E5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18671-01-3 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net [194.139.33.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 411B519D65 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sindy (1Cust139.tnt3.hnr2.deu.da.uu.net [149.225.102.139]) by dhuumrelay0.dtm.ops.eu.uu.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id i5QBwAaS026632 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:58:10 GMT X-Authenticated-As: none Received: by Sindy (950413.SGI.8.6.12/031116.SGI) for 9fans@cse.psu.edu id NAA00884; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:56:05 +0200 From: "Andrew Lynch" Message-Id: <1040626135604.ZM882@Sindy> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:56:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: rog@vitanuova.com "Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86" (Jun 25, 6:53pm) References: <90a3e63881750a184ef8b70e226c99ae@vitanuova.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Jun 25, 6:53pm, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > no register is dedicated as a frame pointer. > > if you know the PC, you can find out the FP from the SP. Maybe not dedicated, in the sense that you can also use it for other stuff, but the EBP register is intended to be used as FP: "3. Stack-Frame Base Pointer (EBP) Register: The EBP register typically is used to access data structures passed on the stack. [...] If the stack pointer is copied into the base pointer before anything is pushed on the stack, the base pointer can be used to reference data structures with fixed offsets. [...] Instructions, such as ENTER and LEAVE instructions, are provided which automatically set up the EBP register for convenient access to variables." intel 386DX Microprocessor Programmer's Reference Manual 1990 Andrew. P.S. If you have a gcc targeted for x86 you can see for yourself by comparing the output of "gcc -S" with "gcc -fomit-frame-pointer -S". From lucho@ionkov.net Sat Jun 26 22:58:43 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sat Jun 26 21:34:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2ec1de9a_c76d_11d8_9f13_00304828b574_13877; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FE23441DB for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2e866d24_c76d_11d8_8d58_00304828b574_13871; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 654D3758100; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:34 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045137580FC for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 2b5a66dc_c76d_11d8_811e_00304828b574_13835; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B443445F8 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28d4cc9a_c76d_11d8_842f_00304828b574_13796; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:34:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1863A19F13 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:34:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DF77C19EA8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00494-02-7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2351219EA5 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moria.ionkov.net ([68.36.169.182]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with ESMTP id <20040626123401016005otdre>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:34:01 +0000 Received: by moria.ionkov.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 412054620CA; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:35:00 -0400 From: Latchesar Ionkov To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 Message-ID: <20040626123500.GA22240@ionkov.net> References: <90a3e63881750a184ef8b70e226c99ae@vitanuova.com> <1040626135604.ZM882@Sindy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1040626135604.ZM882@Sindy> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu The Plan9 calling convention doesn't use BP as frame pointer. Lucho PS. gcc -fomit-frame-pointer doesn't guarantee that no frame pointers will be generated. On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 01:56:04PM +0200, Andrew Lynch said: > On Jun 25, 6:53pm, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > no register is dedicated as a frame pointer. > > > > if you know the PC, you can find out the FP from the SP. > > Maybe not dedicated, in the sense that you can also use it for other stuff, but > the EBP register is intended to be used as FP: > > "3. Stack-Frame Base Pointer (EBP) Register: The EBP register typically is used > to access data structures passed on the stack. [...] If the stack pointer is > copied into the base pointer before anything is pushed on the stack, the base > pointer can be used to reference data structures with fixed offsets. [...] > Instructions, such as ENTER and LEAVE instructions, are provided which > automatically set up the EBP register for convenient access to variables." > > intel 386DX Microprocessor Programmer's Reference Manual 1990 > > Andrew. > > P.S. If you have a gcc targeted for x86 you can see for yourself by comparing > the output of "gcc -S" with "gcc -fomit-frame-pointer -S". 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Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:35:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1040626135604.ZM882@Sindy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu >>intel 386DX Microprocessor Programmer's Reference Manual 1990 ``it is a mistake to use the manufacturer's special call instruction'' (or conventions, especially on a processor with so few `general-purpose' registers that dedicating one to hold a value that is simply an offset from another is downright wasteful) From lionkov@gmail.com Sun Jun 27 07:51:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:28:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1240e328_c77d_11d8_9f9a_00304828b574_19532; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:28:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB2C31A1ED for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:28:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 87FEA19B01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19749-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.246]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 4B75719AEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id w41so396365cwb for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.79.55 with SMTP id c55mr64916rnb; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:27:53 -0400 From: Latchesar Ionkov To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 In-Reply-To: <90a3e63881750a184ef8b70e226c99ae@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <90a3e63881750a184ef8b70e226c99ae@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This approach doesn't work if the compiler supports variable length arrays. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your preferences) the Plan9 compiler doesn't suport them. Thanks, Lucho On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:53:48 +0100, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > no register is dedicated as a frame pointer. > > if you know the PC, you can find out the FP from the SP. > > From avp@MIT.EDU Sun Jun 27 07:51:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 27 01:58:23 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 085b1d82_c792_11d8_9e56_00304828b574_23481; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1333459A0 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 080e3b84_c792_11d8_8fc9_00304828b574_23478; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:22 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0ACEA7580FA; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:22 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFCB7580F9 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07b3359a_c792_11d8_823b_00304828b574_23475; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5E73459A0 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 06b6d07a_c792_11d8_96e5_00304828b574_23466; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:58:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3DCA119E79 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:58:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BCE6219D3B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 13379-01-72 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.83]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 316BC19D2A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grand-central-station.mit.edu (GRAND-CENTRAL-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.82]) by pacific-carrier-annex.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i5QGvwxY011894 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (MELBOURNE-CITY-STREET.MIT.EDU [18.7.21.86]) by grand-central-station.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.9.2) with ESMTP id i5QGvw7m020522 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [131.225.95.104] (haktor.dhcp.fnal.gov [131.225.95.104]) ) by melbourne-city-street.mit.edu (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i5QGvvRg026519 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 12:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-440210415 From: Andrew Pochinsky Subject: Re: [9fans] SXM and Plan 9 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:57:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.618) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu --Apple-Mail-1-440210415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed SXM is almost a complete R5RS implementation (it's major omission is lack of bignums and rational numbers). I ported it to plan9. In my typical code it runs about two times slower than petite, but your milage may vary. --andrew > From: Vester Thacker > Date: June 26, 2004 6:38:27 AM CDT >Subject: [9fans] SXM and Plan 9 > > >Has anyone used SMX with Plan 9? I'm interested to hear whether it >is a good implementation of Scheme under Plan 9. Or should I consider >another version? Any schemers out there? Thanks in advance. > >--Vester Thacker > --Apple-Mail-1-440210415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII 0000,0000,0000SXM is almost a complete R5RS implementation (it's major omission is lack of bignums and rational numbers). I ported it to plan9. In my typical code it runs about two times slower than petite, but your milage may vary. --andrew > From: Vester Thacker < 0000,0000,0000> Date: June 26, 2004 6:38:27 AM CDT 0000,0000,0000>Subject: [9fans] SXM and Plan 9 0000,0000,0000> > >Has anyone used SMX with Plan 9? I'm interested to hear whether it >is a good implementation of Scheme under Plan 9. Or should I consider >another version? Any schemers out there? Thanks in advance. > >--Vester Thacker > --Apple-Mail-1-440210415-- From forsyth@terzarima.net Sun Jun 27 07:51:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 27 02:33:08 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e374520e_c796_11d8_8875_00304828b574_19872; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:33:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857FA345F80 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:33:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e3086ef4_c796_11d8_9c45_00304828b574_19833; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:33:07 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6A6CA7580FA; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:33:07 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55217580F9 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:33:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e297a30e_c796_11d8_9966_00304828b574_19792; 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Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c1777afc7d72d155cf0b95c13df7021@terzarima.net> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 From: Charles Forsyth Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:31:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-cjjarajlqdxnemxnktiijbayvx" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-cjjarajlqdxnemxnktiijbayvx Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the function that owns them knows it creates them, and can modify its behaviour accordingly, rather than pushing the requirement everywhere. --upas-cjjarajlqdxnemxnktiijbayvx Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by lavoro; 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Sat, 26 Jun 2004 07:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:27:53 -0400 From: Latchesar Ionkov To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] which register is used as FP on the x86 In-Reply-To: <90a3e63881750a184ef8b70e226c99ae@vitanuova.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <90a3e63881750a184ef8b70e226c99ae@vitanuova.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+forsyth=terzarima.net@cse.psu.edu This approach doesn't work if the compiler supports variable length arrays. Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on your preferences) the Plan9 compiler doesn't suport them. Thanks, Lucho On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:53:48 +0100, rog@vitanuova.com wrote: > > no register is dedicated as a frame pointer. > > if you know the PC, you can find out the FP from the SP. > > --upas-cjjarajlqdxnemxnktiijbayvx-- From dvd@davidashen.net Sun Jun 27 07:51:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 27 02:43:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5ebf3dd8_c798_11d8_82f5_00304828b574_27936; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1BB345FCD for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e892446_c798_11d8_9c0a_00304828b574_27933; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 293DE7580FA; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:44 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D667580F9 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5e4f35c4_c798_11d8_9584_00304828b574_27930; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33FB345FCD for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5da1984c_c798_11d8_8188_00304828b574_27927; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 08B0719F19 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:43:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8D79F19E54 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 14033-01 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stub.davidashen.net (unknown [217.113.20.247]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC3F519E4D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (adat.home.davidashen.net [192.168.1.1]) by stub.davidashen.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5QHhZS4031917 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:43:35 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@davidashen.net) Received: from adat.davidashen.net (localhost.davidashen.net [127.0.0.1]) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5QHeEJI067788 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:40:14 +0500 (AMST) (envelope-from dvd@adat.davidashen.net) Received: (from dvd@localhost) by adat.davidashen.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id i5QHeEHb067787 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:40:14 +0500 (AMST) From: David Tolpin Message-Id: <200406261740.i5QHeEHb067787@adat.davidashen.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] SXM and Plan 9 In-Reply-To: To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:40:14 +0500 (AMST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL99b (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Andrew Pochinsky: > SXM is almost a complete R5RS implementation (it's major omission is > lack of bignums and rational numbers). I ported it to plan9. In my > typical code it runs about two times slower than petite, but your > milage may vary. I ported scm but didn't prepare a distribution. works fine for me. 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I down loaded the image from http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/drawterm-win.exe but still get the little boxes with hooks in them. Brantley From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Sun Jun 27 07:51:17 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 27 07:06:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d4e8cf4_c7bd_11d8_9fb2_00304828b574_7933; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:06:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048FD34421E for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:06:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0d1ca6d0_c7bd_11d8_8549_00304828b574_7928; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:06:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C1FCC7580F9; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:06:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97B17580FB for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 07:06:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0670d086_c7bd_11d8_9ed1_00304828b574_7473; 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Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2aee0eb586738173b873781e588e76ca@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm down arrow Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:57:33 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <19edb9553df246a713b8a415f74b56e2@coraid.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Anyone recompiled this for Windows yet? > I down loaded the image from=20 > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/drawterm-win.exe >=20 > but still get the little boxes with hooks in them. >=20 > Brantley if you can negotiate a drawterm that doesn't experience the arrow problem but includes SSL and stuff i'd be more than happy to put it at ucalgary. i got this version from geoff, so maybe he's the first person to ping. in the meantime, try this on the machine you've drawtermed to: plan9% cat /bin/arr #!/bin/rc =09 bind -a '#=CE=BA' /dev =09 echo 2 80 128 > /dev/kbmap plan9%=20 that should fix down arrow, at least temporarily :) andrey From 9nut@9netics.com Sun Jun 27 19:23:00 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; 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Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:05:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 83531776_c821_11d8_9ab4_00304828b574_31243; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 19:05:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A6D9C19F75 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:05:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C632819F59 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27750-01-8 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4E5DA19F5C for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 06:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <912b32214d135fe45a3144de6370bd90@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm down arrow Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:05:02 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <08b57e3131641af518c3cfff0bad9756@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > I've recomiled a version of drawterm (9P drawterm + SSL) > which I'm forwarding it to Andrey. > it's on the web page. i hope it works fine for everybody: http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/drawterm-win.exe andrey (thanks to Skip, really) From bwc@coraid.com Tue Jun 29 07:49:07 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Sun Jun 27 21:32:13 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 04120bce_c836_11d8_8ef6_00304828b574_27332; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:32:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99ACA34565D for ; 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Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:32:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F242619BDD for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00204-02-40 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coraid.com (unknown [209.179.94.82]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2C51219B47 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] drawterm down arrow From: Brantley Coile Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:31:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: <912b32214d135fe45a3144de6370bd90@plan9.ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Thanks Skip and Andrey! The Plan 9 community is GREAT! But we already knew that. Brantley >> I've recomiled a version of drawterm (9P drawterm + SSL) >> which I'm forwarding it to Andrey. >> > > it's on the web page. i hope it works fine for everybody: > > http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~mirtchov/p9/drawterm-win.exe > > andrey (thanks to Skip, really) From michelecunico@online.ie Tue Jun 29 07:49:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 00:43:44 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c4f72fbc_c850_11d8_9073_00304828b574_3141; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:43:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA865344187 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:43:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c491cc08_c850_11d8_864c_00304828b574_3134; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:43:42 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3D79A758104; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:43:39 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB717580FA for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:43:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfd7369e_c850_11d8_93d6_00304828b574_3066; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:43:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C0C43445DC for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:37:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e1ae788c_c84f_11d8_8bc0_00304828b574_28651; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:37:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0BD5419F87 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:37:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 826C319F6B for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03237-01-29 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC3B319E8F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [212.171.151.22] (helo=mainframe) by mail.online.ie with asmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Bebhw-0007f1-Rk for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 16:36:56 +0100 From: "Michele Cunico" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:36:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45C6D.55B4F610" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcRcW2apO7YDmRM+RVaHzDUKk8P1qA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-Id: <20040627153657.EC3B319E8F@mail.cse.psu.edu> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] ati radeon 9200 X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45C6D.55B4F610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I've installed Plan 9 for the first time but I don't know it so much. I've an ATI Radeon 9200 video card, I can't start rio or some graphical program; it say me there was an error with framebuffer. Could anyone help me? Thanks in advice, Michele ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45C6D.55B4F610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi! I’ve installed Plan 9 for the first time = but I don’t know it so much. I’ve an ATI Radeon 9200 video card, I can’t = start rio or some graphical program; it say me there was an error with = framebuffer.

Could anyone help me?

 

Thanks in advice,

Michele

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C45C6D.55B4F610-- From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Tue Jun 29 07:49:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 00:58:17 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd8cee12_c852_11d8_8ef7_00304828b574_14950; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AC8344DCF for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd5a70ae_c852_11d8_8875_00304828b574_14947; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 6C41E7580FA; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:16 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 252977580F9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cd1c43d8_c852_11d8_8817_00304828b574_14944; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F06344DCF for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id cc7134f2_c852_11d8_8707_00304828b574_14941; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 00:58:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D979519FCA for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:58:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id EC26519BCE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03237-01-64 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 57D4B19B21 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 11:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5dc6291f2472133345e7a1d2d91dc494@plan9.ucalgary.ca> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ati radeon 9200 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:57:48 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <20040627153657.EC3B319E8F@mail.cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Hi! I've installed Plan 9 for the first time but I don't know it so much. > I've an ATI Radeon 9200 video card, I can't start rio or some graphical > program; it say me there was an error with framebuffer. > > Could anyone help me? > try this: http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/plan9rxxx.html From 20h@r-36.net Tue Jun 29 07:49:10 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 01:05:05 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c0c7d1d2_c853_11d8_8cb7_00304828b574_19990; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B84344F55 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c08f5532_c853_11d8_8105_00304828b574_19987; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:04 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 765A47580FA; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:04 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5DC7580F9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id c0509630_c853_11d8_9da8_00304828b574_19950; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 391A3344F55 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id bfa10b02_c853_11d8_821e_00304828b574_19879; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:05:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0A13E19F86 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:05:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 82B9719F6A for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03237-01-80 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 138039.vserver.de (138039.vserver.de [62.75.138.39]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id E5C9F19F68 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Laptop-20h (p50911FF8.dip.t-dialin.net [80.145.31.248]) (authenticated bits=0) by 138039.vserver.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5RG4Pw1015426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:04:29 +0200 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 18:03:33 +0200 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] ati radeon 9200 Message-Id: <20040627180333.4fd667a4.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <20040627153657.EC3B319E8F@mail.cse.psu.edu> References: <20040627153657.EC3B319E8F@mail.cse.psu.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, For using the Radeon in Plan 9, you need to compile the Radeon driver of Philippe Antel into the kernel. For my Radeon, I used: http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/radeon_howto.txt with the driver posted on 22th March of 2004: http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/radeon.tbz and the vgadb extension from: http://mapage.noos.fr/philippe.anel/radeon_vgadb 20h From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jun 29 07:49:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 10:58:48 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b1af4fba_c8a6_11d8_807a_00304828b574_22414; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82BC9345ABE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b17ce214_c8a6_11d8_9039_00304828b574_22411; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:47 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 678447580FA; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:47 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9927580F9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b13e73b2_c8a6_11d8_868e_00304828b574_22407; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:47 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3186E345AC0 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b092a7c6_c8a6_11d8_99ee_00304828b574_22397; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1F3AF1A01D for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDFF319B36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15984-02-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D532E19BA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ape-wait-buf update From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:44 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi Steve, > Fixed the silly in wait and posted a patch, however as > Russ is out of contact it might not get applied for a while. > > If if you need ape right now you could apply the patch locally. I'm interested in your patch which may solve strange behaviour of links-ape?, wight? I assume you forgot to write where it is tough. Best Regards, Kenji From okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp Tue Jun 29 07:49:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 10:59:52 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d8154efc_c8a6_11d8_8ee1_00304828b574_23185; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:52 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E020345AC2 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:51 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d79595f4_c8a6_11d8_8e04_00304828b574_23182; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:51 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 598AF7580FA; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:51 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC487580F9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d72d1970_c8a6_11d8_8402_00304828b574_23176; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306AF345AC2 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d61f18a8_c8a6_11d8_9e92_00304828b574_23173; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 680B519FD7 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:59:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 663E519CE1 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15984-02-17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C9A9419BA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35d6834f356d2f2cba09aa4bdaa7110b@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ape-wait-buf update From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:00:50 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-jnvvdesmuunqkdlnnfimumfghz" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-jnvvdesmuunqkdlnnfimumfghz Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Awawawa, This hsould have been personal. Sorry, everyone. Kenji --upas-jnvvdesmuunqkdlnnfimumfghz Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp ([157.16.103.2]) by diabase; Mon Jun 28 10:58:03 JST 2004 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by elmo.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (8.9.3p2+/3.7W-04061611) with ESMTP id KAA27844 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:58:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3947F19FEC for ; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CDFF319B36 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15984-02-14 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp (granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp [157.16.101.69]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D532E19BA7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ape-wait-buf update From: Kenji Okamoto Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 10:59:44 +0900 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+okamoto=granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi Steve, > Fixed the silly in wait and posted a patch, however as > Russ is out of contact it might not get applied for a while. > > If if you need ape right now you could apply the patch locally. I'm interested in your patch which may solve strange behaviour of links-ape?, wight? I assume you forgot to write where it is tough. Best Regards, Kenji --upas-jnvvdesmuunqkdlnnfimumfghz-- From jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com Tue Jun 29 07:49:13 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 11:54:46 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 837d46d0_c8ae_11d8_8918_00304828b574_8681; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:54:46 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AF9344BD9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 8347c00a_c8ae_11d8_99f8_00304828b574_8678; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D96907580FA; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:54:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6287580F9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:54:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 830a6c3c_c8ae_11d8_959d_00304828b574_8675; 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Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:54:24 -0400 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ape-wait-buf update In-Reply-To: <35d6834f356d2f2cba09aa4bdaa7110b@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I applied Steve's patch on FRiday and it should be on sources now. --jim From lucio@proxima.alt.za Tue Jun 29 07:49:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 14:48:04 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8eb57d6_c8c6_11d8_9e8f_00304828b574_31779; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:48:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CB03453FE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:48:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b8a6e06a_c8c6_11d8_8f6b_00304828b574_31764; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:48:03 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3DC247580FB; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:48:03 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF14D7580F9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:48:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b84b2824_c8c6_11d8_9763_00304828b574_31695; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:48:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF913453FE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:48:01 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id b77e80f8_c8c6_11d8_8455_00304828b574_31530; 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Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:47:27 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <003a2ccf3c4fc540363f5f54e56d4af8@proxima.alt.za> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] ape-wait-buf update Organization: Proxima Research & Development X-Mailer: Plan 9 ACME/Mail Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:45:52 +0200 From: lucio@proxima.alt.za In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lucio@proxima.alt.za, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Fixed the silly in wait and posted a patch, however as > Russ is out of contact it might not get applied for a while. I ought to have apologised a long time ago for having submitted an incomplete ape/wait patch, but I've been caught up in something urgent and, to be honest, I haven't even had a chance to look at Steve's correction yet. I need to do a little more work on that code anyway, so please forgive me if I don't comment on this for a little longer. ++L From steve@quintile.net Tue Jun 29 07:49:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Mon Jun 28 21:53:21 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22abb81a_c902_11d8_8a0a_00304828b574_23819; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4231E344F30 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 22757b06_c902_11d8_8da8_00304828b574_23816; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:21 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 2ED0C7580FA; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:21 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91067580F9 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 223b43b4_c902_11d8_80e3_00304828b574_23813; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE39344F30 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 218ee4c0_c902_11d8_9011_00304828b574_23810; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 21:53:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3893A1A051 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:53:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 738A719E96 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 03219-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from paris.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 0566E19D9E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 13:49:22 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] (no subject) X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Hi, Anyone using 100Mb PCMCIA ethernet cards or has everyones laptops got them builtin these days? There where mutters about the 3com 3c574 though noone seemed to claim that had finished the driver. The wiki speaks of the linksys etherfast but that seems to be a US only card. Is there an alternative name for it in the UK? other reccomendations? -Steve From g.pavelcak@comcast.net Tue Jun 29 07:49:18 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Tue Jun 29 00:18:10 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5d8e5e06_c916_11d8_93a2_00304828b574_24194; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B2D3456A9 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5cbd7660_c916_11d8_8cab_00304828b574_24082; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:09 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id AAD11758102; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:08 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D257580F9 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5c5a3ac8_c916_11d8_9aa9_00304828b574_24074; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:18:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AB93456A6 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:17:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50fd864e_c916_11d8_8af6_00304828b574_23418; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:17:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7101A19F98 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:17:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 31D2119C5F for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 02928-03-26 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id C6BB319C56 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 192.168.0.102 (h004005b2f1be.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.62.4.194]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2004062815172301100o1djge>; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:17:23 +0000 Message-ID: <1763af52ff763a9730cdca60f77ae5a3@comcast.net> From: Greg Pavelcak Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:17:13 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] No output with troff \N'nnn' X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu When I try to produce a character using \N'nnn' and run the file through troff | aux/tr2post >cthefile.ps, I don't get any character output. I have looked at the output of troff itself, and it is producing Nnnn, so I went to tr2post. I see this in conv.c case 'N': /* print character with numeric value from current font */ Bgetfield(Bp, 'd', &n, 0); break; Is there something missing there? Like some command to actually output the character? Or am I simply barking up the wrong tree here. I can continue to look, but I thought the solution might be obvious to one of you. Thanks. Greg From jj2042003@yahoo.com Wed Jun 30 22:09:03 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 01:25:20 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id ea09c5e6_c9e8_11d8_978a_00304828b574_8762; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:25:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC323442D8 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:25:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e9735bb0_c9e8_11d8_9d96_00304828b574_8753; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:25:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 20F1E7580FC; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:25:19 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFE97580FB for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:25:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id e921872c_c9e8_11d8_96b6_00304828b574_8749; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:25:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A183442D8 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:20:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 4d182426_c9e8_11d8_9914_00304828b574_3616; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:20:57 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 8899B1A0FA for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:20:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3A9D219CD2 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 24388-01-4 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk (mercury.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.81]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C7EC19C6E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from news by mercury.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.12 #1) id 1BfLAM-0000gL-00 for 9fans@cse.psu.edu; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:09:02 +0100 Received: from GATEWAY by bath.ac.uk with netnews for 9fans@cse.psu.edu (9fans@cse.psu.edu) To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:07:29 GMT From: jj Message-ID: <8ef9380a.0406290800.626f63f7@posting.google.com> Organization: http://groups.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 References: <1763af52ff763a9730cdca60f77ae5a3@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Install and Posting Issues X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-Spam-DCC: sonic.net: neuromancer 1117; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.4 tagged_above=3.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_WEBMAIL_END_NUMS6 X-Spam-Level: *** X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is not related to troff, but it seems I am unable to post to this list directly, so I'll try this alternative way. (if anybody has info on why straight posting doesn't work, please let me know because I just do not understand why I can't...specially with all the spam that goes on) Anyway, I mailed this before and I hope this time it'll be posted and I'll get some help. Thanks a lot. jj Previous non-posted mail: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D START =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hi, I am encountering problems with my newly installed plan9. There is couple of messages that troubles me and mainly the vga is not working. I put the messages I get below. I scanned the archive, and saw Russ answer about adding a line in vgadb in the bootfloppy...This file is not there on my boot floppy (nor in the file system using du -a | grep vgadb). Any help would be greatly appreciated since I went through some trouble already (linux lilo/mbr....) and I want to have this install completed. Thanks. jj PS: I am confused about why the install rio window is working but not the normal one using aux/vga after install. If it's working during the install, shouldn't it work after? Doesn't it mean that my video card is supported ? MESSAGES AT LOGIN: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D user[none]: glenda=20 fossil(#S/sdC0/fossil)...version...time... init: starting /bin/rc aux/timesync: '/bin/aux/vmware' does not exist aux/vmware: '/bin/aux/vmware' does not exist aux/mouse: '/bin/aux/mouse' does not exist aux/vga: '/bin/aux/vga' does not exist dossrv: serving #s/dos /usr/glenda/lib/plumbing:5: can't open /sys/lib/plumb/basic for inclusion plumber: parse error rio: can't open display: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: no frame buffer init: rc exit status: rio 23: display open init starting /bin/rc term% =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D END =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Rgrds, jj From mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Wed Jun 30 22:09:06 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 01:40:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07ab8484_c9eb_11d8_83dc_00304828b574_24710; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B6E34463C for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 07795e96_c9eb_11d8_8f18_00304828b574_24707; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 998337580FA; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519B67580F9 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 073c03de_c9eb_11d8_9cab_00304828b574_24704; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667FB34463C for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0691aac4_c9eb_11d8_8bbe_00304828b574_24701; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:40:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 4767E1A0C0 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:40:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2BA3D19DBC for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04789-01-27 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.ucalgary.ca (unknown [136.159.220.110]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5687A19D92 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Install and Posting Issues Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:39:57 -0600 From: andrey mirtchovski In-Reply-To: <8ef9380a.0406290800.626f63f7@posting.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu sounds very likely that your installation did not complete fully (the other option is that it's mounting the wrong fossil, but do you have two disks?). vgadb should be found in /lib/vgadb after a proper install, and of course /bin/aux/vga should be there too... can you execute commands such as 'ls' (your log indicates that you should be able to)? that would mean that your namespace is formed properly and /386/bin/aux is bound as /bin/aux. what can you see in /386/bin/aux? you're fine otherwise though -- if you did the install with rio then your vga card is recognized. you'll be able to use rio as soon as you find where the install put /386/bin/aux/vga ;) From knapjack@gmail.com Wed Jun 30 22:09:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 14:22:02 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6ad04544_ca55_11d8_8a83_00304828b574_19861; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:22:02 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22303452F0 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:22:00 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 6a063c86_ca55_11d8_9349_00304828b574_19780; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:22:00 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 0AD107580FF; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:22:00 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE6D7580FC for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 692d2cd4_ca55_11d8_8fa2_00304828b574_19769; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:21:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A9E3452F2 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:21:17 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 50142400_ca55_11d8_95f1_00304828b574_19512; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 14:21:18 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 794631A02E for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:21:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DC5C819E04 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09681-01-11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 63B2719DEA for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 01:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u22so475442cwc for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.38.24.8 with SMTP id 8mr19482rnx; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6e35c06204062922203ce30f5b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:20:58 -0700 From: Jack Johnson To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Don't know much about history X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I like to comb second-hand stores for overlooked geek books, and came across Interactive Programming Environments, which includes a copy of Kernighan and Mashey's UNIX Programming Environment paper from '81. There's an interesting passage: "UNIX has spawned a host of offshoots---at least six companies offer or plan to offer systems derived from or compatible with the UNIX system...." With a footnote listing the companies: "Cromemco, Onyx, Yourdon, Whitesmiths, Amdahl, and Wollongong Group." Does anyone know what became of these companies and the products they did (or didn't) produce? -Jack From 9nut@9netics.com Wed Jun 30 22:09:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 16:12:36 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dccd01c8_ca64_11d8_8ff1_00304828b574_19333; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60127345AC4 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc97a082_ca64_11d8_83b6_00304828b574_19330; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:35 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 510C57580FA; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:35 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB177580F9 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dc4d0144_ca64_11d8_82fc_00304828b574_19325; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF364345AC4 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id dba05eb2_ca64_11d8_83d1_00304828b574_19321; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:12:34 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 2F2141A05F for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:12:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DB2E419C11 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10417-01-28 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plan9.9netics.com (unknown [64.91.109.37]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id A560119BC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:12:11 -0700 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204062922203ce30f5b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > "Cromemco, Onyx, Yourdon, Whitesmiths, Amdahl, and Wollongong Group." Cromemco: They built S-100 bus computers starting with z80 machines and later (I think) using 68000 and 8086 (on VME machines?). I think Cromix ran on the z-80 stuff and I thought they used UniSoft's port of System V on 68000 versions. Onyx: Z-8000 based computers. Seem to recall they also had a V7 UNIX port of some sort running on them. Yourdon: Told people how they should design software. Whitesmiths: was started by P. J. Plauger (previously of Bell Labs), had a UNIX workalike (V6, and later V7) called Idris, which didn't require hardware MMU. They had a line of nice C compilers for a number of processors (starting with z-80 i think). Got sold to Intermetrics. Amdahl: made IBM 360/370 plug compatible (clone); Was bought by Fujitsu (I think?) I can't recall what UNIX variant they had for it, or who did the work. This wasn't the MERT stuff, was it? Wollongong Group: They were the guys that had an IP stack implementation for System V on the AT&T 3B line of computers and the UNIX-PC. From rm@hamnavoe.com Wed Jun 30 22:09:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 16:34:51 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f89779da_ca67_11d8_98b2_00304828b574_9410; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:34:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6635344616 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:34:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f801d312_ca67_11d8_96e4_00304828b574_9400; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:34:49 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id D6B4075810C; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:34:45 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A327758100 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:34:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id f3f8c136_ca67_11d8_9b92_00304828b574_9367; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:34:43 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE52C34498A for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:26:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id d92b0194_ca66_11d8_8e17_00304828b574_495; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:26:49 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 10A571A008 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:26:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 5427D19F9D for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12551-01-32 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEF5519F85 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history From: Richard Miller Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:26:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Wollongong Group: They were the guys that had an IP stack > implementation for System V on the AT&T 3B line of > computers and the UNIX-PC. The Wollongong Group was a California company set up initially to market the Interdata port of 7th edition Unix which had been done at the University of Wollongong, Australia - hence the name. The product ("Edition VII") was eventually adopted by Interdata (by then renamed to Perkin-Elmer and again to Coherent) as a standard O/S offering on their 32-bit minicomputers. The Wollongong Group diversified into other products (e.g. Eunice = Unix emulator on VAX/VMS) and was eventually bought by Attachmate. From rm@hamnavoe.com Wed Jun 30 22:09:14 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 16:49:29 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0442b6d0_ca6a_11d8_99da_00304828b574_22338; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF935344C3A for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 03ea44d2_ca6a_11d8_844f_00304828b574_22335; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id B06E97580FA; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:28 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690877580F9 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 03aa4e68_ca6a_11d8_99d2_00304828b574_22332; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C757344C3A for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 02fed628_ca6a_11d8_833e_00304828b574_22329; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:49:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DA4361A052 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:49:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id D003D19D22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27986-02-38 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 53ACE19CDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <0d89a9ba82835a948760df05b10d9227@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history From: Richard Miller Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:48:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu > Amdahl: made IBM 360/370 plug compatible (clone); > Was bought by Fujitsu (I think?) I can't recall what UNIX variant > they had for it, or who did the work. This wasn't the MERT stuff, was it? I've got a glossy A4 sheet here dated September 18 1980 which says "Amdahl announces Universal Timesharing System Release 1.0 ... (UTS)" From rm@hamnavoe.com Wed Jun 30 22:09:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 16:57:39 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 284ada0c_ca6b_11d8_8d1c_00304828b574_28692; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:39 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4081344C74 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 28071cae_ca6b_11d8_8bc6_00304828b574_28688; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:38 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id C5CE17580FA; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:38 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0BE7580F9 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 27c500a8_ca6b_11d8_9259_00304828b574_28685; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:38 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE3C344C74 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 271a697c_ca6b_11d8_80b3_00304828b574_28682; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:57:37 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7C8121A097 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:57:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 916A919D22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27986-02-51 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk (hamnavoe.gotadsl.co.uk [213.208.117.150]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 25B0619C17 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history From: Richard Miller Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:57:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu And then there was that other obscure software company ... quoting from a contemporary brochure: "Microsoft announces the XENIX Operating System, a 16-bit microprocessor adaptation of Bell Laboratories' Version 7 UNIX system ... We're putting the XENIX OS on the DEC PDP-11 [sic], Intel 8086, Zilog Z8000 and Motorola 68000 ... The XENIX system's inherent flexibility, along with this commitment from Microsoft, will make the XENIX OS the standard operating system for the microcomputers of the eighties." What a different world it could have been. From geoff@collyer.net Wed Jun 30 22:09:15 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 16:59:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60e56d64_ca6b_11d8_8670_00304828b574_30312; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF50B345367 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 60ae0432_ca6b_11d8_9276_00304828b574_30309; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id DBC447580FA; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913BD7580F9 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 607359b8_ca6b_11d8_9442_00304828b574_30306; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5019345367 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:12 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5fc8185a_ca6b_11d8_8158_00304828b574_30299; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:59:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id DD9D919CDE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:59:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id CA1FB19D22 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 12551-01-82 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collyer.net (unknown [216.240.55.168]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id B6FCE19CDE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history From: Geoff Collyer Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:58:54 -0700 In-Reply-To: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Amdahl's machines were called 470s and their front-end communications processors were called 4705s, if memory serves. Their initial Unix was called something like UTS/370 (I'm sure about the `UTS' part). We ran several virtual machines of UTS on an IBM 3033 that IBM donated, for undergraduate use at U of Toronto in the early 1980s. UTS was a port of V7, with a few gratuitous C library interface changes, a port of dmr's V6 PDP-11 C compiler, and no fsck. Their fsck replacement had the charming property that it only worked on file systems with a handful of errors needing repair, so just when you really needed it, it gave up. I ported V7's fsck quickly and we used that instead. The system used ASCII internally and translated to and from EBCDIC where necessary at the edges (some terminal I/O, printing, etc.). It had support for VM/370's virtual card readers, card punches and line printers, so inter-virtual-machine communication was done via virtual card images. At the time, it seemed really fast. It could fsck an entire 3330 disk drive in 30 seconds. `make' and `make -n' ran at about the same speed. Its Achille's heel was that IBM machines tended to have operators, who thought they could just `force down' (crash) virtual machines running UTS, though we told them over and over that they needed to shut them down gracefully, including syncing them, and provided them with a simple way to do so. I'm pretty sure that UTS (d)evolved and become System V.something. Google is unreachable now (as is much of the Internet), but I think the Wollongong Group were best known for Eunice, a Unix emulator that ran (slowly) on VAX/VMS. From ggm@apnic.net Wed Jun 30 22:09:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 17:47:12 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 1408357e_ca72_11d8_8abf_00304828b574_11715; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8184F344164 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:11 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 13d5454c_ca72_11d8_857e_00304828b574_11681; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:11 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 014267580FA; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:10 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295F9758111 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:46:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 08e3a3cc_ca72_11d8_81b7_00304828b574_10906; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:46:53 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1936344BBC for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:36:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 863f954e_ca70_11d8_9be7_00304828b574_31325; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:36:05 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BD9DD1A050 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:36:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3C4AF19BD9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11205-01-42 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnic.net (cumin.apnic.net [202.12.29.59]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 75DBE19BC7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apnic.net (durian.apnic.net [202.12.29.252]) by apnic.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id i5U8ZgpY011206 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:35:42 +1000 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:35:42 +1000 From: George Michaelson To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history Message-Id: <20040630183542.3f8f912f@dhcppc1> In-Reply-To: References: <85f02f6cb97f9c7eaa11ea22b81d91d2@9netics.com> Organization: APNIC Pty Ltd X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.11claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--netbsdelf) X-Fruit-Of-The-Month-Club: persimmon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AP-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.001 required=6 X-AP-Spam-Score: -100.001 (notspam) BAYES_44,USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:58:54 -0700 Geoff Collyer wrote: >Google is unreachable now (as is much of the Internet), but I think >the Wollongong Group were best known for Eunice, a Unix emulator that >ran (slowly) on VAX/VMS. in the absence of a real OS fork() with open FD 0 1 2 state, eunice beat the hell out of the VMS alternatives for many things. I never liked 'mailboxes' which was their IPC model. running eunice was a hoot! -George From steve@quintile.net Wed Jun 30 22:09:16 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 17:47:14 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 155a37ec_ca72_11d8_9e96_00304828b574_11805; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E38434423D for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 15186718_ca72_11d8_86a2_00304828b574_11790; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:13 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 8FF047580FC; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:11 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32735758114 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:06 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 10a9232a_ca72_11d8_8618_00304828b574_11373; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:47:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179263442DA for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:46:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id fe97a3c8_ca71_11d8_956c_00304828b574_10761; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:46:36 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 633821A0A7 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 388DA19F99 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11205-01-62 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from felix.quintile.net (cpc1-sout4-6-0-cust154.sot3.cable.ntl.com [81.96.207.154]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 7483619ED9 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:46:11 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Don't know much about history In-Reply-To: <6e35c06204062922203ce30f5b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Perkin Elmer (n=C3=A9 Interdata) 3210 was my introduction to unix, (edition7) at college. We had the source, all the source. We had the kernel, the drivers, assembly of the diagnostic tapes, and the schematics. A couple of the lecturers did a memory upgrade 1Mb to 4Mb, with a soldering iron, a tube of rams, and and a couple of extra 74138 address decoders upside down on top of the original ones. happy days. -Steve From esoriano@lsub.org Wed Jun 30 22:09:17 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 21:01:30 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 390a399c_ca8d_11d8_9b70_00304828b574_20178; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DEF345B5C for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:28 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 37cfa5bc_ca8d_11d8_8159_00304828b574_20166; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:28 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3F496758109; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:27 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E92758100 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 363d9c5e_ca8d_11d8_8cc9_00304828b574_20143; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA27345B5C for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 331dd1ba_ca8d_11d8_8af1_00304828b574_20099; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:01:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id BE4511A0EC for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:01:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 016E01A050 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26575-02-63 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aquamar.escet.urjc.es (plan9.escet.urjc.es [212.128.4.205]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id F1FBE1A01E for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es ([193.147.71.93]) by aquamar; Wed Jun 30 14:00:56 MDT 2004 X-warning: suspect envelope domain X-warning: suspect From: domain From: Enrique Soriano Salvador To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Laboratorio de Sistemas, URJC Message-Id: <1088596696.12879.199.camel@ronin.dat.escet.urjc.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:58:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] Plan9 PowerPC port X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: esoriano@lsub.org, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu How is the power pc port going? I have a PowerBook G4 and would like to use/try it. I would even beta test it and give back bug reports if you give me detailed instructions. Currently I'm using the Intel port over VirtualPC 5, but it 's too slow (at least on a G4 550Mhz). Cheers, Q. From steve.simon@snellwilcox.com Thu Jul 1 17:00:49 2004 Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp ([202.16.124.2]) by ar; Wed Jun 30 23:16:19 JST 2004 Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0ea73c3c_caa0_11d8_9c40_00304828b574_12573; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (vega [202.16.124.3]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AF3344264 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from vega.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0e744afc_caa0_11d8_9e72_00304828b574_12569; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:19 +0900 (JST) Received: by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) id 3AB33758101; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:13 +0900 (JST) Delivered-To: arisawa@aichi-u.ac.jp Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (smtp [202.16.124.2]) by vega.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D04B758109 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 0811759a_caa0_11d8_9813_00304828b574_12274; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:16:10 +0900 (JST) Received: from kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.6]) by smtp.aichi-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BF8344552 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:11:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu by kwck.aichi-u.ac.jp via csmap id 5f64d770_ca9f_11d8_9e08_00304828b574_6850; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:11:26 +0900 (JST) Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 99EC11A12F for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:11:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from localhost (neuromancer.cse.psu.edu [130.203.4.2]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id AEF2F1A0D7 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by localhost (neuromancer [130.203.4.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04875-01-18 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail58.messagelabs.com (mail58.messagelabs.com [193.109.255.35]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id 1F2231A0D6 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 10:11:02 -0400 (EDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: steve@snellwilcox.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-58.messagelabs.com!1088604656!9960154 X-StarScan-Version: 5.2.10; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [195.173.15.4] Received: (qmail 31120 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2004 14:10:57 -0000 Received: from mail2.snellwilcox.com (195.173.15.4) by server-7.tower-58.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2004 14:10:57 -0000 Received: from 192.168.253.14 by mail2.snellwilcox.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:10:55 +0100 Received: from larch (testone.snellwilcox.com [195.173.15.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-uk.snellwilcox.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i5UEDuEr026362 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:13:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Steve Simon" Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:10:54 +0100 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cse.psu.edu Subject: [9fans] html auth X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-bounces+arisawa=aichi-u.ac.jp@cse.psu.edu I seem to rembember somone put basic authentication into hget, but cannot find it in the archives, perhaps I imagined it? I want to ask my router what the address of my cable modem is and it uses on Basic authentication. -Steve